2009.02.19 Nancy Grace, Thurs.

[panthera]

Good evening! :seeya: Nancy's discussing the case

[panthera]

Sex predator arrested today in Putnam Co., no link though to Haleigh as far as being able to put him near her residence. Authorities still not ruling anyone out. Over 1300 tips have come in so far. Reward now $16,000. Ron: "I'll be here every day until my child returns" ~ family staying in tents.

[Leila]

Evening Panthera...............:)

NG said that the abandoned car the police are processing is a RAv-4!

[panthera]

Evening Panthera...............:)

NG said that the abandoned car the police are processing is a RAv-4!
Hi Leila! It looks like Nancy's going to be back & forth with Haleigh and Caylee tonight!

[KaylynnCouture]

Discussing Caylee Anthony case first.

[Leila]

NG covering Caylee Anthony first tonight and then Haleigh

[KaylynnCouture]

Haleigh's story on now.

[tehcloser]

If LE does not start saying something, they are gonna loose the media. JVM did only a short bit. With the Caylee docs and the chimp....they have to have more bang for this to stay in the front.

[frankieiiiieee]

Evening Panthera...............:)

NG said that the abandoned car the police are processing is a RAv-4!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow!:eek:

[KaylynnCouture]

Haleighs mom and grandmother will be taking your calls live tonight on Nancy Grace.

[panthera]

52 y/o white male "very dangerous" sex predator Timothy Loukakis (sp?). Lived less than a mile from Haleigh. Seized a vehicle as part of the investigation. MC still being questioned today by LE. RC making plea to public to have Haleigh returned "please bring my daughter home". Loukakis violated terms of his release; had GPS monitoring on.

[winterrose]

Well,if that abandoned car was the cousin's,that would be something.

[winterrose]

NGrace's right,I think they want to check the SO's house and land.

[panthera]

Loucakis convicted in 2001 of making/distributing porn on internet.

[Leila]

T. J. Hart.........program director for a local television station, talking about the arrest of Timothy Loucakis. He was convicted of sending porn to a child's father, and father turned out to be FLDE.

[Missy70Texas]

Question: I live in Texas and not all that familiar with Florida weather, is it warm enough there to live in a tent, especially during the night, our nights here in west Texas are 35 to 45 degrees, could not stay in a tent.

[winterrose]

The RSO was trying to sell porn to the father of a 10 yo to set up a meeting with her,is that right?

[tehcloser]

My problem with the SO is people are going to hear NG and think, oh he did it. End of story. And that's NOT the case.

[winterrose]

Well,they also have electricity with extension cords and heaters in the tent.And even tv to watch the news on this.

[not_my_kids]

I hate to say this, considering the subject matter, but did the caption "Live from family tent" almost make anyone else giggle or have i just had way too much birthday cake?

[winterrose]

But,did someone else make a deal with the SO for Haleigh,someone that needed the money?

[winterrose]

Well,now that you say that,it is funny,didn't even think about that.LOL

[Leila]

LE has interviewed Misty's cousin.

[not_my_kids]

God, Ron looks exhausted.

[cc81]

Question: I live in Texas and not all that familiar with Florida weather, is it warm enough there to live in a tent, especially during the night, our nights here in west Texas are 35 to 45 degrees, could not stay in a tent.


there's supposed to be a frost advisory for their area tonight, so I'd have to say no... bit too cold to be sleeping under the stars IMO and I love the cold!

[winterrose]

I like this Grandma,about the only one believable.Wow,grandma has not spoke with Misty and she was taken before 1pm.That is interesting.Misty was at the tent site,next door when she was taken today.Strange she hasn't contacted the family there.

[liljim]

every time i see the father i get the impression that he has a good idea who took her, anyone else get that sense? im not saying he is guilty of anything, just something about how he is talking makes me think he has a suspect in mind.

[panthera]

Nancy talking about MC going in for more questioning today. RC mother (live from tent) doesn't know details of why MC was being questioned. RC heart is breaking. TN believes LE wanted to see MC, came and got her today. Pink pajama top found outside back door? question by Nancy; TN not sure where it was found. TN: "we don't want to interfere with anything LE is doing; just want to bring Haleigh home". She's crying now.

[PGWodehouse]

Watching Grandma weeping is heartbreaking. :(

[not_my_kids]

The candles stay lit for Haleigh every day...that did it. Who has tissues?

[winterrose]

Grandma's trying to keep from crying when asked about Misty,I think she's knowing something.She said they don't get much info,just before pressers.Oh,she said her son could not go back in trailer if he could.He told her he would not leave unless somebody makes him.She said you couldn't stop him if he knew where Haleigh was.He's searching alone,spends days looking for Haleigh.Grandma's breaking my heart,says he prays and searches everyday.

[not_my_kids]

Police said nothing to grandmother about the sighting in TN...she saw it on TV.

[Leila]

Teresa.............Misty was taken to the sheriffs station for questioning today. Ron's having a hard time........a very hard time. NG says it was Misty that alerted LE that she found the pink shirt. Teresa says they're not getting much information. Teresa is crying and her voice is shaky tonight. Showing candles burning in the background. She says Ron is out searching every day. He's not worried about his job, just wants Haleigh home. In regards to the sighting in TN, she heard it on TV - not from LE.

[Indigo]

Misty is the one who alerted police that they had found the pink shirt outside the door?? Did I hear this correctly?

[Missy70Texas]

I hate to say this, considering the subject matter, but did the caption "Live from family tent" almost make anyone else giggle or have i just had way too much birthday cake?

No I started giggling and told my husband that Nancy needs to quit saying that, and why do they have the "from family tent" under the live why not say live from Florida, and why are those people staying in a tent anyway, don't they have relatives they can stay with or is the tent on the property where the mobile home is, and Ron doesn't want to leave in case Haleigh comes back??? Maybe???:confused:

[not_my_kids]

Misty is the one tha alerted police that they had found the pink shirt outside the door?? Did I hear this correctly?

Wait last I heard, it was INSIDE the door, with the rest of the laundry. Did that change too?

[Indiana at Heart]

yes you did!!! My heart is breaking for this women

[chelle70]

Grandma's trying to keep from crying when asked about Misty,I think she's knowing something.She said they don't get much info,just before pressers.Oh,she said her son could not go back in trailer if he could.He told her he would not leave unless somebody makes him.She said you couldn't stop him if he knew where Haleigh was.He's searching alone,spends days looking for Haleigh.Grandma's breaking my heart,says he prays and searches everyday.

Bless his heart......I pray for Ron and his family and that he finds Haleigh soon!:(

[panthera]

Misty is the one who alerted police that they had found the pink shirt outside the door?? Did I hear this correctly?
Misty alerted LE about the shirt, but grandma Teresa doesn't know for sure where it was found. At least that's what I understood.

[winterrose]

Maybe the RSO has a built in ground place or place behind a wall or something,but no,this one has a trailer,wonder how much land he has there?And I wonder where he was last night,they were searching there today.Could that tree chair have been his,if it was within the mile radius?

[jaimie43]

OMG... this is so hard to watch tonight. Just heartbreaking....especially the part about where NG asked the mom what Rons day is like and she says "he gets up every morning and finds someone, anyone, who will let him search with them"....

[SuziQ]

Wait last I heard, it was INSIDE the door, with the rest of the laundry. Did that change too?

WTH is going on? Bad reporting, planting evidence, what?

[tehcloser]

Yes another changed story about the shirt.....but this one may be NG's fault.

[not_my_kids]

It seems that NG is almost getting eher names mixed up...she has to apuse every time she says haleigh.

[winterrose]

Crystal's Mom's on now,she says they keep taking Misty in so many times,they've taken Misty in three different times.

[nyvictoria]

Police said nothing to grandmother about the sighting in TN...she saw it on TV.

Heartbreaking to watch this Grandmother. She said she understands that LE cannot tell them everything and they're doing all they can to find Haleigh. Good for her!

[panthera]

Nancy's showing background video of the blue tents where family's living along with many candles lit for Haleigh. Crystal's mother, Marie is on now. Nancy asked her about how many times LE has talked to Misty then cut her off and went to a commercial break. I think her answer was three times though. :waitasec:

[tehcloser]

oooo Crystal thinks Misty knows something.

[winterrose]

Well,I think we might know more about the case than tv reporters.:rolleyes:

[Indigo]

Wait last I heard, it was INSIDE the door, with the rest of the laundry. Did that change too?

That may just be a misunderstanding on NG's part then. Thanks, not_my_kids.

[Leila]

Maternal Grandmother and Crystal.........grandmother says they've taken Misty in so many times it seems like she might know something. She says LE has questioned her 3 times that she knows of.

(I wonder if she's been taken to the Sheriffs Station three times, or is that three times including interviews there at the family tent?)

[winterrose]

Yeah,I heard Crystal talking on wftv video today,she's trying not to go off on Misty.I sure would,but I feel they're all trying to keep Misty talking and not lawyer up.

[tehcloser]

Maternal Grandmother and Crystal.........grandmother says they've taken Misty in so many times it seems like she might know something. She says LE has questioned her 3 times that she knows of.

(I wonder if she's been taken to the Sheriffs Station three times, or is that three times including interviews there at the family tent?)

She said "taken her out"...so I guess station?

[not_my_kids]

Yesterday in one of the articles, it seemed like the grandmother was having a hard time acting like they believed Misty, today, Crystal is having the same problem. Someone, most likely LE told them to act like they believed her, IMO.

And was it just me or was the mother a little less robotic just now?

[winterrose]

That Griffis has attitude,she'd be good on here sleuthing.:)

[winterrose]

That 911 is so sad with Ronald,God help the person who did this.

[liljim]

oooo Crystal thinks Misty knows something.

just to be clear, at least from what i thought i heard; i think crystal was asked "why are they talking to her so many times?" and she replied "because they must think she knows something"

i dont think crystal was saying that SHE believes misty knows something that she isnt saying.

please correct me if im wrong. :)

[winterrose]

It seemed LE too was making a point to say Misty would be leaving after the interview and was not under arrest,she holds the key to what happened.IMO

[winterrose]

Well,Mom's not the one to be talking about drugs,saw her dried pot plants hanging up.

[not_my_kids]

Caller asking if the house was checked for drugs.
Mother says she doesn't know if the family was checked for drugs...I guess that means she wasn't.

Is there anyone in this case that knows anything?

[panthera]

Caller wants to know if family (RC?) was checked out for drug use or drugs found in the house. Nancy passes question to Crystal. Doesn't know. ???

[not_my_kids]

Misty was not cuffed and seems to have been taken back to the scene.

[Leila]

Caller asking was family checked out for drug use..........Crystal says she has no idea. T. J. Hart says they haven't heard of drugs being in the home. AMW correspondant says a lot of evidence taken out of the mobile home. Ron and Misty are being cooperative.

[not_my_kids]

Shut up, Mike Brooks.

Yup, I said it.

[Missy70Texas]

That 911 is so sad with Ronald,God help the person who did this.

I have a problem with his angry outburst, that tells me he is prone to violence and using the b*tch work against his girlfriend tells me he has a lack of respect towards women, to him we are perhaps second class citizens, very much the macho attitude, didn't his ex wife or her mom refer to him as controlling???

[winterrose]

DNA results don't take 10 days,unless they don't have anyone to compare it to.IF it was a RSO it would be in system.Mike Brooks said something struck him,he said to Misty,"Youall are playing games."Uh Oh No,Mike says,got to be a reason he was talking to Misty like that.

[panthera]

Mike Brooks on now commenting on RC 911 call "Y'all are playing games" MB wants to know who RC was talking to. And he also brings up RC calling MC "dumb B girlfriend" on tape. Nancy's downplaying it as meaning nothing.

Crystal says MC's changing stories bother her and now MC is the one who supposedly found Haleigh's shirt.

[Egoslayer]

I made a thread on this (prob shouldnt have) but doesnt it bug anyone else that Misty is smoking in all the vids? She's 17, its underage and illegal, yet no one is doing anything about it. I understand that they have bigger problems but laws are laws.

[not_my_kids]

Crystal admits that it bothers her how many times Misty has been taken in. Worried over the story changes and the fact that Misty found the shirt. Hoping that Misty had nothing to do with it. Shirt was found in the house, with the rest of the laundry. NG had it wrong the first time.

[Leila]

Crystal........doesn't know what to make of Misty being questioned so many times, and why her story has changed. She says that Ron told her that the shirt had been found "in the house", and she learned today from a newspaper that it was Misty that found it in a laundry basket. Crystal hasn't ever been in the house

[winterrose]

Crystal says she hopes Misty has nothing to do with this,kids told her they loved MIsty.Crystal says detective told her they found the shirt Haleigh was wearing."We found the shirt in the house."Wait a minute,Misty washed clothes and dirty clothes basket was outside of the back door,is that on porch?No way,door would have had to be unlocked.She said she washed blankets that night.

[Leila]

Maternal grandmother says someone may have put Haleigh in clean clothes before taking her out of the house.

[mydailyopinions]

I made a thread on this (prob shouldnt have) but doesnt it bug anyone else that Misty is smoking in all the vids? She's 17, its underage and illegal, yet no one is doing anything about it. I understand that they have bigger problems but laws are laws.

Not sure about Florida, but here, 17 year olds can't buy cigarettes that is illegal, but I've never heard of one being charged for smoking under 18..:confused:

[winterrose]

Did Misty give Haleigh to someone because she was angry at Ronald???Was it a game,why would Ronald say that?

[not_my_kids]

HOLD THE PHONE>>>
How could Misty have found the shirt INSIDE when all reports say that neither her nor Ron are allowed in as it is an active crime scene? If she found the shirt inside, then it had to be that night.
Am I right or overthinking here?

[Egoslayer]

Not sure about Florida, but here, 17 year olds can't buy cigarettes that is illegal, but I've never heard of one being charged for smoking under 18..:confused:

I know here in California kids get busted for this all the time. There's a corner where the HS kids hang out and smoke and they get taken in.

[liljim]

i somehow missed any mention of DNA before tonight - where did they supposedly find questionable DNA that they sent for testing ? the door ?

[PGWodehouse]

Not sure about Florida, but here, 17 year olds can't buy cigarettes that is illegal, but I've never heard of one being charged for smoking under 18..:confused:

It's 18 here, too. But frankly, most people who smoke start long before 18, and I don't ever see anyone being busted for it. I think my father had his first cigarette at 10. He passed away at only 64 from emphasyma. :furious:

[winterrose]

I think they're not arresting Misty,because they want her to talk,if they bring charges,she gets a lawyer as with Casey.

[Missy70Texas]

I made a thread on this (prob shouldnt have) but doesnt it bug anyone else that Misty is smoking in all the vids? She's 17, its underage and illegal, yet no one is doing anything about it. I understand that they have bigger problems but laws are laws.

Heck, she's 17 (just turned in December, I think) and she's living with a 25 year old man who calls her a b*tch, so there seems' to be alot of boundaries being violated here.

[tehcloser]

It is more than obivious to ME that Crystal and her Mom suspect Misty of something.

[winterrose]

They want to find Haleigh,first?Would they be checking DNA on Haleigh's bedding,brick and such?

[jaimie43]

Maternal grandmother says someone may have put Haleigh in clean clothes before taking her out of the house.

I felt she was saying this in a sarcastic way.."whoever took her put her in FRESH CLEAN CLOTHES"....

[Never4GetCaylee]

Did Bio-mom just tell Nancy she has never been in that house? Nancy was asking if any clothes were missing of Haleigh's and Crystal said "I have never been in that house, I have no idea."

Now I know she said on another Nancy show that she had been in the house. Nancy was asking her mother about something and the mother said she didn't know because she had never been in the house and bio-mom then said that she had been in the house. :waitasec:

[scandi]

HOLD THE PHONE>>>
How could Misty have found the shirt INSIDE when all reports say that neither her nor Ron are allowed in as it is an active crime scene? If she found the shirt inside, then it had to be that night.
Am I right or overthinking here?


. .. .AND PASS THE AMMUNITION lol

Hi Not_my_kids. I read the police took Mistyv over to the trailer on Monday to take a look-see, and she found it then. xox

[Indiana at Heart]

she should already have a lawyer she is still a minor. Unless her parents are with her during???? otherwise she has rights as a minor.
Here they give you a ticket for underage smoking

[scandi]

I am sick of KC,had to get away from case,too upset about Caylee.Seven months was enough for me and now it's back again.I just want her charged and in prison,in population to be exact.


Hi, I heard on FOX today it will probably be at least a year before the trial starts :confused::confused:

[Leila]

HOLD THE PHONE>>>
How could Misty have found the shirt INSIDE when all reports say that neither her nor Ron are allowed in as it is an active crime scene? If she found the shirt inside, then it had to be that night.
Am I right or overthinking here?

They prefaced it saying that Misty was allowed in the house briefly.

(I wonder if LE is letting Ron and Misty in for clean clothes and personal belongings)

[winterrose]

Yes,CS never went in trailer,they had a meeting place when it was time for her to get the kids and drop them off.And I think the Mom and Grandma have always suspected MC,but because of CS's having visitations only,they don't want to not be able to see him,IMO.Plus,if you noticed the media was really landblasting her and her Mom about coming against RC.And all of those myspace pics of dried pot plants,I would have been worried of looking bad,too.:eek:

[winterrose]

A year,that's a long time for the little... to not have computer,texts and cellphone,not to mention no friends to steal from.

[lolype29]

HOLD THE PHONE>>>
How could Misty have found the shirt INSIDE when all reports say that neither her nor Ron are allowed in as it is an active crime scene? If she found the shirt inside, then it had to be that night.
Am I right or overthinking here?

In the article about the shirt, they state that Misty was in the house with LE going over the night of the disappearance that's when she found the shirt.

[not_my_kids]

. .. .AND PASS THE AMMUNITION lol

Hi Not_my_kids. I read the police took Mistyv over to the trailer on Monday to take a look-see, and she found it then. xox


That makes sense. I am only half hearing the show. I have a very sugared up kid right now. Of course I'm not sugared up, because Mommy's never eat too much sugar...never. :crazy:

[SWAG1959]

I think the DNA is coming from the cinderblock - early on they (TH's) were all talking about the new "touch DNA" - don't know how long that takes tho.

[tehcloser]

That makes sense. I am only half hearing the show. I have a very sugared up kid right now. Of course I'm not sugared up, because Mommy's never eat too much sugar...never. :crazy:

Your nose is gonna grow........:rolleyes:

[scandi]

They prefaced it saying that Misty was allowed in the house briefly.

(I wonder if LE is letting Ron and Misty in for clean clothes and personal belongings)


Hi Leila, That is interesting.

They won't be allowed back in as long as the trailer is an active crime scene I don't think. That could be months, maybe until Haleigh is found.

I am sure the rent goes on, but Ron won't be able to pay that cause he isn't even back working yet. I don't know if the family has that kind of backing. Does the Sheriff pick up the tab, or some non-profit organization?

Does anyone know how they do things there?

[winterrose]

tehcloser
I was looking at the faces and clicking on more,there's a little guy with a growing nose,so cute.

[tehcloser]

tehcloser
I was looking at the faces and clicking on more,there's a little guy with a growing nose,so cute.

I was to lazy to click on him................:crazy:

[winterrose]

There was the couple on a video yesterday talking about how Haleigh was so sweet and they liked Ronald.I don't they'll charge him for the rent.

[lolype29]

Hi Leila, That is interesting.

They won't be allowed back in as long as the trailer is an active crime scene I don't think. That could be months, maybe until Haleigh is found.

I am sure the rent goes on, but Ron won't be able to pay that cause he isn't even back working yet. I don't know if the family has that kind of backing. Does the Sheriff pick up the tab, or some non-profit organization?

Does anyone know how they do things there?

Well at this time, they are victims, so I am sure the victims funds can help a little... This money comes from anyone who gets in trouble with the law... they pay a small amount to a victims assistance fund, which is used for things like this... That's how it is where I live anyway.

[lolype29]

There was the couple on a video yesterday talking about how Haleigh was so sweet and they liked Ronald.I don't they'll charge him for the rent.

Honestly, they are the first people I thought about when they announced there was a 10,000 reward from an antonymous person...

[panthera]

I felt she was saying this in a sarcastic way.."whoever took her put her in FRESH CLEAN CLOTHES"....
I definitely took it as sarcasm too, or just plain unbelief that the perp would take the time to re-dress Haleigh before getting her out of the house. It doesn't make sense, imo.

[djk]

Question: I live in Texas and not all that familiar with Florida weather, is it warm enough there to live in a tent, especially during the night, our nights here in west Texas are 35 to 45 degrees, could not stay in a tent.

well recently it has been 50's or 60's @ CocoaBeach. The night in question 2/9 was a full moon extremely clear and bright and still temps in the 40's Thing about this time of year is it can be 30 degrees on Tuesday night and be 82 on Thursday afternoon. very sudden changes that seem to change often. If a tent was all I had, I could easily do it. It would not be like in a house, though. I think daddy originally just wanted to be by himself but it seems that the family has created a *camp* with all kinds of activity. Not all those family members are gonna roll over and accept whatever daddy says though> IMO.

[shergal]

I definitely took it as sarcasm too, or just plain unbelief that the perp would take the time to re-dress Haleigh before getting her out of the house. It doesn't make sense, imo.

It kind of goes towards MC not being there and having no clue what Haleigh was wearing.

[panthera]

It kind of goes towards MC not being there and having no clue what Haleigh was wearing.
I'll believe that! MOO

[LaLaw2000]

. .. .AND PASS THE AMMUNITION lol

Hi Not_my_kids. I read the police took Mistyv over to the trailer on Monday to take a look-see, and she found it then. xox

That is what I remember also. Must have been when all of the activity was going on over at the house the other afternoon. The shirt was in a 'dirty clothes pile' near the back door.

[Leila]

That makes sense. I am only half hearing the show. I have a very sugared up kid right now. Of course I'm not sugared up, because Mommy's never eat too much sugar...never. :crazy:

Just noted your sig and wanted to wish your son a very :birthday_party:

[scandi]

Well at this time, they are victims, so I am sure the victims funds can help a little... This money comes from anyone who gets in trouble with the law... they pay a small amount to a victims assistance fund, which is used for things like this... That's how it is where I live anyway.


Thanks Lolype, I'm imagining how traumatic that would be for these kids, that with everything else going on with Haleigh being taken, they have to worry about money. I hope they don't have to worry, even for buying essentials.

[Bobbisangel]

I have a problem with his angry outburst, that tells me he is prone to violence and using the b*tch work against his girlfriend tells me he has a lack of respect towards women, to him we are perhaps second class citizens, very much the macho attitude, didn't his ex wife or her mom refer to him as controlling???


I wouldn't judge Ron by his anger during the 911 call. I'm sure he was frantic over Haleigh missing and didn't see the necessity of all of the questions the dispatcher was asking him. He just wanted someone to get out there and help find his daughter. I might have even said that if I caught up with the person who took my child I would kill them and go to prison for it.

As far as Ron swearing at Misty or about her I think he was probably just lashing out because she was the one who was supposed to be responsible for his daughter and someone took her out of the house. The guy was scared to death and knew what an abduction can lead to. I wouldn't judge Ron's behavior every day on his behavior when he discovered Haleigh was missing.
Anger is a cover for fear a lot of the time and that guy was frantic and worried to death.

[Nonni Brenda]

Did anyone notice RC's wording (Haleigh's case) when he made his plea to bring Haleigh back? He said something to the affect:She is not property, she is not yours. I know he said he didn't have a fight over a gun?? but it sounded like he was talking to someone that had maybe tried to take something from him previously. MHO/ Does anyone believe he suspects the person who took his gun, if that happened, as also taking Haleigh?

[ElizaAvalon]

My only "judgement" of Ron during his 911 call was his complete lack of respect for Misty.

Calling her names? REALLY immature.

Regardless of his high emotions at the time, his treatment of Misty during that short period of time was completely uncalled for and inappropriate verbal abuse.

I really feel for him, believe me. But I don't give him a bye for this one.

[NRN]

Did anyone notice RC's wording (Haleigh's case) when he made his plea to bring Haleigh back? He said something to the affect:She is not property, she is not yours. I know he said he didn't have a fight over a gun?? but it sounded like he was talking to someone that had maybe tried to take something from him previously. MHO/ Does anyone believe he suspects the person who took his gun, if that happened, as also taking Haleigh?

Didn't RC say @ the presser today "no fight, no gun, no cousin" or something like that?

[panthera]

That is what I remember also. Must have been when all of the activity was going on over at the house the other afternoon. The shirt was in a 'dirty clothes pile' near the back door.
I'm just wondering if it's possible Misty normally had to change Haleigh's clothes during the night? giving her the benefit of the doubt that she just forgot what Haleigh had on, remembering only the pink shirt from earlier that night? :waitasec: MOO

[Nonni Brenda]

I wouldn't judge Ron by his anger during the 911 call. I'm sure he was frantic over Haleigh missing and didn't see the necessity of all of the questions the dispatcher was asking him. He just wanted someone to get out there and help find his daughter. I might have even said that if I caught up with the person who took my child I would kill them and go to prison for it.

As far as Ron swearing at Misty or about her I think he was probably just lashing out because she was the one who was supposed to be responsible for his daughter and someone took her out of the house. The guy was scared to death and knew what an abduction can lead to. I wouldn't judge Ron's behavior every day on his behavior when he discovered Haleigh was missing.
Anger is a cover for fear a lot of the time and that guy was frantic and worried to death.

I think he was just beside himself with worry. I also think (MHO)this kind of language may be second nature for him everyday. Remember he has previous history with drug charges,and probably has in the past had this language before.

[SailorMoon]

well recently it has been 50's or 60's @ CocoaBeach. The night in question 2/9 was a full moon extremely clear and bright and still temps in the 40's Thing about this time of year is it can be 30 degrees on Tuesday night and be 82 on Thursday afternoon. very sudden changes that seem to change often. If a tent was all I had, I could easily do it. It would not be like in a house, though. I think daddy originally just wanted to be by himself but it seems that the family has created a *camp* with all kinds of activity. Not all those family members are gonna roll over and accept whatever daddy says though> IMO.

At the press conference today they showed those propane heaters that someone had donated, they even had a flat screen tv in there to keep up on the news.

[panthera]

I think he was just beside himself with worry. I also think (MHO)this kind of language may be second nature for him everyday. Remember he has previous history with drug charges,and probably has in the past had this language before.
I tend to agree with you on this. At first I was appalled that he'd be talking to the 911 operator that way but the more I learn , it could just be the way he talks all the time. The one part of the call I can understand is his anger toward Misty since she was the one who was supposed to be looking after the children. MOO

[nyvictoria]

I'm just wondering if it's possible Misty normally had to change Haleigh's clothes during the night? giving her the benefit of the doubt that she just forgot what Haleigh had on, remembering only the pink shirt from earlier that night? :waitasec: MOO

IIRC Misty said Haleigh wet the bed...not sure if this was a nightly occurrence but (again IIRC) bio-mom said Haleigh didn't wet the bed at her house. I should probably try to find a link to this...sorry!

[NSC]

Well,Mom's not the one to be talking about drugs,saw her dried pot plants hanging up.

I agree. You can see all this on her myspace. I think MC was stoned on pot. That is why she can't get it together about that night. I am starting to think she didn't leave at all. Just put kids to bed. Smoked some pot and passed out. JMO

[KaylynnCouture]

I agree. You can see all this on her myspace. I think MC was stoned on pot. That is why she can't get it together about that night. I am starting to think she didn't leave at all. Just put kids to bed. Smoked some pot and passed out. JMO

That's a possibility. I wonder if LE had her drug tested.

[NSC]

I wouldn't judge Ron by his anger during the 911 call. I'm sure he was frantic over Haleigh missing and didn't see the necessity of all of the questions the dispatcher was asking him. He just wanted someone to get out there and help find his daughter. I might have even said that if I caught up with the person who took my child I would kill them and go to prison for it.

As far as Ron swearing at Misty or about her I think he was probably just lashing out because she was the one who was supposed to be responsible for his daughter and someone took her out of the house. The guy was scared to death and knew what an abduction can lead to. I wouldn't judge Ron's behavior every day on his behavior when he discovered Haleigh was missing.
Anger is a cover for fear a lot of the time and that guy was frantic and worried to death.

I agree Bobbi's angel. Swearing isn't part of my daily but let's say I left my kids with my sister and then one turned up missing - you can bet your last dollar I would be the same way!!!

[NSC]

That's a possibility. I wonder if LE had her drug tested.

I'm not certain. I was on the phone with the FBI this week on the Dominick A case. I had asked about drug testing the mother on the scene and she didn't think that was routine - off the bat -- at this point who knows though. Then again this was an agent taking phone calls. (reason asked: suspicious mother was on drugs)

The more I have looked at myspace pictures. I really believe MC smokes pot. Just as CS does (well you would think she does by all the pot pics in on her MS) And I am becoming more and more convinced of this. Pot makes people tired. It can also cloud one's memory and judgement. She seemed a little slow on the transcripts of the 911 call. My guess this was the problem with her story. I know if I drink a bottle of wine with my girlfriends, I can't remember all that was talked about in the morning.

[Nonni Brenda]

About this SO, LE stated that he is not connected to this case now. I wonder what time his curfue (sp) is up at night. Only speculating, let's say it is up at 10pm, MC leaves the house at 8pm after she puts the children to bed. The SO comes in and takes Haleigh. He could be back home by his 10pm curfue. Depending on MC's condition when she comes in, she may not have noticed Haleigh missing and just fell into bed. Or........maybe she didn't get home till around 3am, and tried to call RC at that time. I know I am reaching way out there, just speculating.

[Nonni Brenda]

LE has interviewed Misty's cousin.

Can someone clear up my confusion. Is the cousin of Misty's the one that was there the night Haleigh was missing? Is he from Tennessee,and is he suspected in relation to the sighting of Haleigh in Tennessee? Who did they say had gone back to Tennessee?

[panthera]

Nancy's on again for anybody who missed it the first time! :)

[DotsEyes]

Question: I live in Texas and not all that familiar with Florida weather, is it warm enough there to live in a tent, especially during the night, our nights here in west Texas are 35 to 45 degrees, could not stay in a tent.

I just read that it will be near freezing tonight.

[KaylynnCouture]

Nancy's on again for anybody who missed it the first time! :)

Thanks! Now my kids are finally in bed so I can watch the whole thing :)

[KaylynnCouture]

I just read that it will be near freezing tonight.

I wonder if they're using portable heaters. I hope so. :(

[Duelist Pearl]

Yes another changed story about the shirt.....but this one may be NG's fault.

sorry if this has been said...i read somewhere on here earlier today that when law enforcement had mc inside the house she found the shirt in the laundry pile and told le that she was sure thats what she was wearing

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Panthera! I watched it earlier, but was interrupted by the phone. (You would think my family would know by now not to call me during NG!! LOL)

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by tehcloser
Yes another changed story about the shirt.....but this one may be NG's fault.No. MC stated this in a long interview in the Jacksonville newspaper, IIRC. They have the most indepth interview with MC as I have seen to date. Good job.

In the interview Wednesday, Croslin said Haleigh watched “Madagascar” and “AirBud” with her brother, then snuggled beneath a blanket in a pink Hannah Montana top. She reported Haleigh was wearing that top when she disappeared.


However, Croslin said she found the shirt on Monday, when she was allowed back inside the doublewide mobile home for the first time since the disappearance. She was there to discuss the layout of the mobile home with investigators and was looking for the clothes Haleigh wore her last day at school.


She then saw the Hannah Montana shirt in a laundry pile by the back door. “When I put her blanket on she had that shirt on,” Croslin told the Times-Union on Wednesday.http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

[RJA00]

I have a problem with his angry outburst, that tells me he is prone to violence and using the b*tch work against his girlfriend tells me he has a lack of respect towards women, to him we are perhaps second class citizens, very much the macho attitude, didn't his ex wife or her mom refer to him as controlling???



nobody knows how they would react, I know if my hubby came home and i was standing at the door tellinghim his son was gone. He probably would say some choice words to me for not calling the police before he got home

I don't hold anything Ron said against him on that 911 call, he was frantic. not thinking about anything but is daughter at that time

[Duelist Pearl]

I gotta tell ya....if my child was missing I would probably be saying some choice words myself...among other things. I can't judge him for that at all....he was probably pretty close to in shock.

[Nonni Brenda]

Mike Brooks on now commenting on RC 911 call "Y'all are playing games" MB wants to know who RC was talking to. And he also brings up RC calling MC "dumb B girlfriend" on tape. Nancy's downplaying it as meaning nothing.

Crystal says MC's changing stories bother her and now MC is the one who supposedly found Haleigh's shirt.


My opionion. RC was making the comment about "playing games" to LE. With as much history as he's had with LE with all his other drug charges, it's probably not the first time he has said something like that to them.
Also, with all that past history with drug charges, surely!!! LE searched for drugs in the home, or tested somebody!!!!

[panthera]

Thanks, Panthera! I watched it earlier, but was interrupted by the phone. (You would think my family would know by now not to call me during NG!! LOL)
I always seem to pick up more the 2nd time she's on too. :) I'm curious about that car that was seized by LE ~ not saying who it belongs to or what relevance it has. :waitasec:

[Nonni Brenda]

Thanks, Panthera! I watched it earlier, but was interrupted by the phone. (You would think my family would know by now not to call me during NG!! LOL)

I can relate. My daughter calles me from work,and I can't talk to her because of this case. She said she is going to call the cable company and have them shut off my TV, if I don't get my nose off this case. Thats okay if she does, because I still have my comupter and all ya'll Websluths buddys.

[panthera]

My opionion. RC was making the comment about "playing games" to LE. With as much history as he's had with LE with all his other drug charges, it's probably not the first time he has said something like that to them.
Also, with all that past history with drug charges, surely!!! LE searched for drugs in the home, or tested somebody!!!!
And I'd think with the rap sheet for drugs, one of the first questions also would be who he knows now that might want revenge, like pay up and you'll get your child back. MOO

[SWAG1959]

I always seem to pick up more the 2nd time she's on too. :) I'm curious about that car that was seized by LE ~ not saying who it belongs to or what relevance it has. :waitasec:
Me too!!!!! I'm am somewhat confused about the "car-s". We heard that a vehicle was found the past weekend in the TES search. Now this car - was it found in the woods? I thought I heard somewhere else that it was a car that was parked on the street when LE came and got it. Heard it was a RAV-4. I just wish LE would at least tell the public - we have 1 -2 -3 vehicles that we are processing.

Dazed and confused......

[Nonni Brenda]

And I'd think with the rap sheet for drugs, one of the first questions also would be who he knows now that might want revenge, like pay up and you'll get your child back. MOO

You're EXACTLY RIGHT.

[DotsEyes]

Ron's language was nothing worse than what I hear all day, every day on cable tv. He gets a complete pass from me on the 911 call. IF MC was stoned on pot, there is nothing like a major emergency to ruin the high. She would have sobered immediately. Do they smoke pot? Probably, but who cares? It doesn't mean they deserve what has happened to them. You can bet that if any of them have any suspicions about anyone, they are telling LE during the interviews and not saying it to the reporters.

Of course, everyone is going to look at Misty. She is the last person known to have seen the child alive and was there when the child disappeared. She is the best witness LE has and she just isn't all that bright but I think she is being honest.

Yes, I think it is probable that the kidnapper would strip the tee shirt off and cover the child with something else - maybe didn't want to transfer fibers.

NG has everything turned inside out and upside down. I can barely watch her anymore. Once I read here, then listen to her I just want to spit with all that spin and all the 1/2 truths. "LE seizes Red Rav4!". Uh no, NG. Wrong. Your are mixing up your stories.

[panthera]

Me too!!!!! I'm am somewhat confused about the "car-s". We heard that a vehicle was found the past weekend in the TES search. Now this car - was it found in the woods? I thought I heard somewhere else that it was a car that was parked on the street when LE came and got it. Heard it was a RAV-4. I just wish LE would at least tell the public - we have 1 -2 -3 vehicles that we are processing.

Dazed and confused......
I think the first car we heard about was one that Chad Reynolds had "borrowed" on 2/1, later found abandoned. This RAV4 is a mystery as to how it could be connected to Haleigh's disappearance, if at all. :confused: Maybe we'll hear more on it tomorrow, hopefully!

[Nonni Brenda]

i somehow missed any mention of DNA before tonight - where did they supposedly find questionable DNA that they sent for testing ? the door ?

I don't remember anything about DNA either. What did I miss?:waitasec::waitasec:

[SWAG1959]

I don't remember anything about DNA either. What did I miss?:waitasec::waitasec:
LE is doing a "touch DNA" test on the cinderblock. This is farly new technology - don't know how long it takes.

[black poodle]

Did Bio-mom just tell Nancy she has never been in that house? Nancy was asking if any clothes were missing of Haleigh's and Crystal said "I have never been in that house, I have no idea."

Now I know she said on another Nancy show that she had been in the house. Nancy was asking her mother about something and the mother said she didn't know because she had never been in the house and bio-mom then said that she had been in the house. :waitasec:

i think your right I do remember I think her mother stated that Crystal had been in the house but her(maternal GM) had never been.

[black poodle]

Sex predator arrested today in Putnam Co., no link though to Haleigh as far as being able to put him near her residence. Authorities still not ruling anyone out. Over 1300 tips have come in so far. Reward now $16,000. Ron: "I'll be here every day until my child returns" ~ family staying in tents.

Why are they staying in tents? Aren't there enough family they could be staying with?

[tfrohning]

Shut up, Mike Brooks.

Yup, I said it.

Why would you tell Mike Brooks to shut up. he right! My heart goes out Ron Cummng. but him refering to the Girlfrind B___ch is uncalled for and that is sign a abusing man. He does not repect women. And he was not repecting Le.
JMO:mad:

[sc2714]

I know this has probably been discussed before but I must have missed it... why was CS twitching and shaking when she talked? Is it nerves, a health problem, drug-related?

[black poodle]

HOLD THE PHONE>>>
How could Misty have found the shirt INSIDE when all reports say that neither her nor Ron are allowed in as it is an active crime scene? If she found the shirt inside, then it had to be that night.
Am I right or overthinking here?

I think she went in with LE to see if their were other clothes missing.

[tfrohning]

My only "judgement" of Ron during his 911 call was his complete lack of respect for Misty.

Calling her names? REALLY immature.

Regardless of his high emotions at the time, his treatment of Misty during that short period of time was completely uncalled for and inappropriate verbal abuse.

I really feel for him, believe me. But I don't give him a bye for this one.

:clap:I don't remember Mark Lunford calling anybody names when Jessica came up missing.
I got a feeling that B---ch is pet name for women for Rc I can not let it slip
by. But I do feel for him and my heart break. This is hot head young man. I don't think who responiable for Hliegh missing that RC will show no mercy for that person.

After 12 years of Marriage my husband has never called me a name. My first husband was different.

[SWAG1959]

I think she went in with LE to see if their were other clothes missing.
IIRC she went in with LE to retrace her steps and kinda just look around type deal. I also think IMO that it wasn't MC that found the shirt in the laundry. It was another detective that was nosing around and found it and asked "is this the pink shirt? or does this look familiar". That left her no leeway - she had to say one way or the other if it was the shirt on not.

[winterrose]

I remember one of the first times I had seen them on NG and both said they had never been in the house.They had a meeting place for the weekend visits.

[tfrohning]

It no wonder Misty stories are changing with some man standing there yelling and calling you names, I wouldn't be able to think either.

[SeriouslySearching]

I know this has probably been discussed before but I must have missed it... why was CS twitching and shaking when she talked? Is it nerves, a health problem, drug-related?In one of the first interviews, she was rocking so hard back and forth in her chair...it was obvious at least to me. Many claimed she must be "comforting herself" or something along those lines, but I still think it could be drug related.

[RoseRed]

I think the first car we heard about was one that Chad Reynolds had "borrowed" on 2/1, later found abandoned. This RAV4 is a mystery as to how it could be connected to Haleigh's disappearance, if at all. :confused: Maybe we'll hear more on it tomorrow, hopefully!

The Haleigh sighting in TN involved a red RAV4 per todays newspaper article.

[sc2714]

What I noticed today wasn't just rocking, she twitched and blinked and tilted her head at an odd angle. Almost like Tourette's.

[NRN]

Is there anyone in this case that knows anything?

Question of the Day! No, Question of the Week (and a half)!

OT Congratulations to your son & you on his third Birthday! Way to prove the doctors wrong, buddy!!!:clap:

[Issi]

Hi.. I'm really really new to the site. Thanks to Websleuths for having me.


I was thinking about the NG show and all the aspects of this case...


Not playing Devil's Advocate or anything... but I get increasingly annoyed by how sensationalist NG is these days. Not to say that Nancy wasn't before... hehe.. Of course she has been... Otherwise, she wouldn't have a show.

I always get a weird lil chuckle every night when I watch... I know she always holds back a lot of information... because, well heck.. If she gives it all up tonight.. What is she gonna talk about tomorrow? Yeah, it's annoying.

I'm feeling worse and worse for all of these people involved in this case. One main thing is that... well yes... THEY LOOK BAD ON TELEVISION. Clear and simple. It makes people judge and speculate... and then all these wild theories come out. People get real judgmental online too.

My own opinion... Yeah, the kid.. Misty.. She knows something that she's not telling.. and Ron.. well, I feel for him and don't think he would ever do anything to his child, but I still think he's a jerk on principal for being a cradle robber and a misogynist. I feel bad for the Mom and Grandmother..

I'm glad I found this site, though... Folks here seem to have cool heads, and try to stick to the issue at hand. I appreciate that.

[Patty G]

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