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3dogmom
02-20-2009, 01:27 AM
He stole a gun (allegedly) from Ron. Got into a fight with Ron, why won't they release his name?
I have many of Misty's male cousins from Tenn mypace pages. Only one of them hasn't logged on in the past month.
Why wont LE release the name/photo of this person?
cajun
02-20-2009, 01:36 AM
Investigators Question Relative of Misti Croslin in Tennessee
Posted By: Talia Naquin (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/contacts/default.aspx) http://www.firstcoastnews.com/graphics/bullet1.gif Created: 2/19/2009 10:40:08 PM http://www.firstcoastnews.com/graphics/bullet1.gif Updated: 2/19/2009 11:44:00 PM
PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Following tips on a possible Haleigh sighting in Tennessee, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office has questions for someone who lives there. He is a relative of Misti Croslin, the girlfriend of Haleigh's father and the last known person who saw the child the night she disappeared.
The tip came in that someone spotted a girl matching Haleigh Cummings' description in a Carrabba's in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.
Thursday, deputies picked up Croslin for another round of questioning. She was at the sheriff's department for five hours.
Sheriff Jeff Hardy will not say how Misti Croslin and the person in Tennessee are related, or if that person is a sex offender
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=17
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 01:54 AM
I have 3 male cousins myspace pages.
I can rule 2 out.
The 3rd....who knows.
Gracenote
02-20-2009, 02:25 AM
He stole a gun (allegedly) from Ron. Got into a fight with Ron, why won't they release his name?
I have many of Misty's male cousins from Tenn mypace pages. Only one of them hasn't logged on in the past month.
Why wont LE release the name/photo of this person?
I am behind on my reading today. So do we now know that the cousin really exists? That would put a different spin on things.
SuziQ
02-20-2009, 02:38 AM
Ok, this is interesting since a Rav4 is supposedly the vehicle LE has possesion of.
Leila
02-20-2009, 03:37 AM
I'm really surprised that LE questioned Misty for 5 hours yesterday! It seems like they're really zeroing in on her.
We've got two similar stories going on........Misty said that a cousin visited them, a cousin that had "messed with her", and the cousin stole a gun.
Then, a relative of Ron's said that Ron was in a fight with a man the night before Haleigh's disappearance over a gun. But today, Ron denied there was a fight.
I think there must have been some sort of problem with a man who may be a relative of Misty's, but can't figure out why Ron is denying it? It might be the key to Haleigh's disappearance.
If there was a fight the night before Haleigh disappeared, maybe the man abducted Haleigh in retaliation?
What's really strange is that Nancy Grace, at the top of her program last night, said that LE has an abandoned car in their possession and is processing it. She said it was a red Toyota RAV-4. And then the newspapers are describing the car spotted in Tennessee as a red Toyota RAV-4. I'm now wondering if NG got that mixed up? She has made mistakes in the past.
I hope LE is pursuing the relative in Tennessee. I think there might be a connection.
Djane
02-20-2009, 03:40 AM
I am behind on my reading today. So do we now know that the cousin really exists? That would put a different spin on things.
I posted this on another thread, but I'll post it here too. The police have questioned the TN cousin, but no name or what they found out. Seems like it might be a dead end?
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/39896977.html
momtective
02-20-2009, 08:50 AM
In this mornings interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show Misty stated that the cousin had been in trouble his whole life, he's a criminal, she doesn't trust him and she can't say he doesn't have anything to do with Haleigh.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29298458#29298458
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 08:55 AM
If you believe Misty about the cousin, you have to believe the fight/gun story. This is where the story originated. Ron says none of it happened? So again who to believe? If Ron thought this person had Haleigh, he would be saying something or as his Mom said, "no one could stop him if he knew where she was".
MeoW333
02-20-2009, 08:58 AM
Misty said during the interview today (sorry can't find the link, it's on the board somewhere; the one where she was standing next to Teresa, Ron's mother) said she wasn't sure if her cousin was involved or not when the reporter asked her if she thought he might be involved or something like that.. and then the reporter said "thats an interesting comment."
CajunGirl
02-20-2009, 09:09 AM
Hi everyone. I'm new here :) I've been keeping up and reading all of your posts & finally was able to sign up last night.
Here is my question/thought...
Brandon's brother, Joe (if I'm remembering correctly)... I noticed his myspace said it hadn't logged in since 1/26 I believe? Misty was/is close to Brandon based off of messages we've read on the page & she's in pictures with him on his myspace...but Brandon's brother...different story. I don't see any "known" contact between Misty & him. The last comment left on his myspace was from a 16 yr old that stated "I know you're gone but..." I don't remember it all completely & don't have access while I'm at work but I found that interesting. Why is no one thinking it's him?
Misty said during the interview today (sorry can't find the link, it's on the board somewhere; the one where she was standing next to Teresa, Ron's mother) said she wasn't sure if her cousin was involved or not when the reporter asked her if she thought he might be involved or something like that.. and then the reporter said "thats an interesting comment."
MeoW I missed that interview. I hope to find a clip of it later today. Thank you for sharing what you saw posted and if it's accurate that is a very odd thing for her to say on national television. I'm not sure what to make of it. I'm not going to form an opinion until I get to see her say it, but off hand it sounds as if she's diverting attention to herself? I don't know yet.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 09:17 AM
Misty said during the interview today (sorry can't find the link, it's on the board somewhere; the one where she was standing next to Teresa, Ron's mother) said she wasn't sure if her cousin was involved or not when the reporter asked her if she thought he might be involved or something like that.. and then the reporter said "thats an interesting comment."
it's "interesting" because she thinks her cousin might be responsible for this. you would expect her to say, "oh no, he'd never do anything like this...."
it is possible that she doesn't like him and she's just trying to divert attention from herself, though.
LaLaw2000
02-20-2009, 09:18 AM
None of this makes sense and that might be the understatement of the year!
OK, this cousin supposedly visited for about a month. He and Ronald had a fight the night before Haleigh came up missing over this cousin having stolena gun. Then we have an abandoned vehicle police are precessing for evidence. A Rav4. Where did it come from that it was a Rav4?
Then a sighting in TN. involved a Rav4. Well, didn't the police already have possession of the abandoned vehicle when the TN. sighting happened? I do not mind admitting that I am confused.
Can someone help me out here?
desertmom
02-20-2009, 09:18 AM
Hi everyone. I'm new here :) I've been keeping up and reading all of your posts & finally was able to sign up last night.
Here is my question/thought...
Brandon's brother, Joe (if I'm remembering correctly)... I noticed his myspace said it hadn't logged in since 1/26 I believe? Misty was/is close to Brandon based off of messages we've read on the page & she's in pictures with him on his myspace...but Brandon's brother...different story. I don't see any "known" contact between Misty & him. The last comment left on his myspace was from a 16 yr old that stated "I know you're gone but..." I don't remember it all completely & don't have access while I'm at work but I found that interesting. Why is no one thinking it's him?
I don't have an answer to your question, but just wanted to give you a warm welcome!!:)
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 09:23 AM
None of this makes sense and that might be the understatement of the year!
OK, this cousin supposedly visited for about a month. He and Ronald had a fight the night before Haleigh came up missing over this cousin having stolena gun. Then we have an abandoned vehicle police are precessing for evidence. A Rav4. Where did it come from that it was a Rav4?
Then a sighting in TN. involved a Rav4. Well, didn't the police already have possession of the abandoned vehicle when the TN. sighting happened? I do not mind admitting that I am confused.
Can someone help me out here?
lol. Confusing ain't it. The "police have the Rav 4 came from Nancy G herself, she made 1 statement that was never elaborated on.
However, IF and its a big IF, this story about the cousin is true. Ron is denying it, now why would he? I had a fleeting thought that hmmmm....maybe because one self expressed "media whore" is strangely amiss and may be in TN.....what ya think?:waitasec:
PoppyH
02-20-2009, 09:25 AM
None of this makes sense and that might be the understatement of the year!
OK, this cousin supposedly visited for about a month. He and Ronald had a fight the night before Haleigh came up missing over this cousin having stolena gun. Then we have an abandoned vehicle police are precessing for evidence. A Rav4. Where did it come from that it was a Rav4?
Then a sighting in TN. involved a Rav4. Well, didn't the police already have possession of the abandoned vehicle when the TN. sighting happened? I do not mind admitting that I am confused.
Can someone help me out here?
I am as confused as you are, The man would have to be plain stupid to take a kidnapped child out to eat at a resturant< i don't believe its Haliegh, unless the man seen with the child is dumber than we think:eek:
catch_22
02-20-2009, 09:29 AM
None of this makes sense and that might be the understatement of the year!
OK, this cousin supposedly visited for about a month. He and Ronald had a fight the night before Haleigh came up missing over this cousin having stolena gun. Then we have an abandoned vehicle police are precessing for evidence. A Rav4. Where did it come from that it was a Rav4?
Then a sighting in TN. involved a Rav4. Well, didn't the police already have possession of the abandoned vehicle when the TN. sighting happened? I do not mind admitting that I am confused.
Can someone help me out here?
i can't believe how much bad info has already come out in this case. things keep getting changed in translation. i believe that the "sighting" in tenn involved a rav4. a reporter ASKED le if the siezed vehicle was a rav4. he didn't comment.
kind of like the vehicle in the woods thing. there was supposedly something found in one of the early searches, then it was revealed that a vehicle had been processed, and the next thing you know........there was a vehicle found in the woods. i might be wrong but i don't think this is accurate.
that is just one of dozens of examples of bad info in this (and probably all) cases.
KaylynnCouture
02-20-2009, 09:30 AM
Hi everyone. I'm new here :) I've been keeping up and reading all of your posts & finally was able to sign up last night.
Here is my question/thought...
Brandon's brother, Joe (if I'm remembering correctly)... I noticed his myspace said it hadn't logged in since 1/26 I believe? Misty was/is close to Brandon based off of messages we've read on the page & she's in pictures with him on his myspace...but Brandon's brother...different story. I don't see any "known" contact between Misty & him. The last comment left on his myspace was from a 16 yr old that stated "I know you're gone but..." I don't remember it all completely & don't have access while I'm at work but I found that interesting. Why is no one thinking it's him?
Welcome to Websleuths!
I think he's a possibility. Do you have a link to his Myspace?
ElizaAvalon
02-20-2009, 09:31 AM
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.
Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.
WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.
"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle.
"I just don't trust him," she said. "He's gotten into a lot of trouble."
Both Charlie and Josh Overstreet have comments on their myspace which say "stay out of trouble", etc. And comments such as "is Josh out of jail yet".
There is a Joshua Eugene Overstreet in the Michigan Offender Database:
http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=678631
He has a tattoo: Flora. Flora is his and Misty's grandmother
He is on probation for attempted armed robbery.
His alias is CHARLES THOMAS OVERSTREET
momtective
02-20-2009, 09:32 AM
MeoW I missed that interview. I hope to find a clip of it later today. Thank you for sharing what you saw posted and if it's accurate that is a very odd thing for her to say on national television. I'm not sure what to make of it. I'm not going to form an opinion until I get to see her say it, but off hand it sounds as if she's diverting attention to herself? I don't know yet.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...98458#29298458
tfrohning
02-20-2009, 09:33 AM
I am as confused as you are, The man would have to be plain stupid to take a kidnapped child out to eat at a resturant< i don't believe its Haliegh, unless the man seen with the child is dumber than we think:eek:
What about Duncan and the Grone girl. she was spoted in a Denny??
momtective
02-20-2009, 09:33 AM
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sherriff's Office says that the FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin.
Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.
WFTV reporter Mark Boyle briefly spoke with Misty Croslin about her cousin.
"You said you don't trust him, why?" asked Boyle.
"I just don't trust him," she said. "He's gotten into a lot of trouble."
Both Charlie and Josh Overstreet have comments on their myspace which say "stay out of trouble", etc. And comments such as "is Josh out of jail yet".
There is a Joshua Eugene Overstreet in the Michigan Offender Database:
http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=678631
He has a tattoo: Flora. Flora is his and Misty's grandmother
He is on probation for attempted armed robbery.
His alias is CHARLES THOMAS OVERSTREET
Isn't that Brandon's brother Charlie?
CajunGirl
02-20-2009, 09:33 AM
Welcome to Websleuths!
I think he's a possibility. Do you have a link to his Myspace?
I wish I did but I'm at work. He's on Brandon's page. Maybe his name is Josh & not Joe...LOL I can't remember correctly. I know one went to jail but do we know that for sure? His last contact from anyone on myspace was 1/26 and also the last day he logged in.
ElizaAvalon
02-20-2009, 09:37 AM
Here's an article about the robbery:
http://www.ourmidland.com/articles/2008/07/11/police_and_courts/doc48777fd9b004c598449510.txt
Campbell is one of four charged in connection to the robbery. Boyce, Thomas James Maxwell, 18, and Joshua Eugene Overstreet, 19, already were sentenced for their roles.
LaLaw2000
02-20-2009, 09:38 AM
lol. Confusing ain't it. The "police have the Rav 4 came from Nancy G herself, she made 1 statement that was never elaborated on.
However, IF and its a big IF, this story about the cousin is true. Ron is denying it, now why would he? I had a fleeting thought that hmmmm....maybe because one self expressed "media whore" is strangely amiss and may be in TN.....what ya think?:waitasec:
Thanks, tehcloser!
Just gotta say that I do hope the 'media who*e' is back in California. I don't think I could take his participation again.
If the story about the cousin from TN. is true, then Ronald lied on national TV yesterday. And if it isn't true, then Misty lied. And neither should be lying because Haleigh is missing and lies just serve to make it harder for LE. That might have been FBI that picked Misty up for questioning yesterday. I noted the suit and vehicle. I doubt a small town investigator would wear a suit.
I also thought Misty did not appear worried at all as she left the police station yesterday. She was there for 5 hours and I so hope that it was the FBI questioning her. It would behoove her not to lie to the FBI. One thing I hope was straightened out yesterday in the 5 hours is whether or not there is a cousin and whether or not there was a fight and a gun stolen.
In the long run, the only person that is even half way believable to me is Ronald's mother. Not Ronald, not Misty, or even Crystal.
ElizaAvalon
02-20-2009, 09:39 AM
Isn't that Brandon's brother Charlie?
I think it's Josh. I think he used his brother's name as an alias.
They are both Brandon's brothers.
ksgirl78
02-20-2009, 09:40 AM
Hi everyone. I'm new here :) I've been keeping up and reading all of your posts & finally was able to sign up last night.
Welcome to WS CajunGirl!!!
it's "interesting" because she thinks her cousin might be responsible for this. you would expect her to say, "oh no, he'd never do anything like this...."
it is possible that she doesn't like him and she's just trying to divert attention from herself, though.
Yes, Matt Lauer said it was interesting because you would expect her to say that (which is bolded by me)! She also said, at least 2 times, that she didn't trust this relative and that she hasn't spoken with him since he left, which I am assuming she meant left Satsuma!
If you believe Misty about the cousin, you have to believe the fight/gun story. This is where the story originated. Ron says none of it happened? So again who to believe? If Ron thought this person had Haleigh, he would be saying something or as his Mom said, "no one could stop him if he knew where she was".
If Ron or LE suspects this guy, and this guy has his daughter and their whereabouts are unknown, I think maybe he downplayed or denied this incident to not tip him off. They don't know where she is and she is in danger, if still alive. The last thing they want to do is announce on national tv that this guy could be a potential POI or that Ron suspects him. If he really has her, I think he would want to get rid of the "problem" real quick. JMO.
CajunGirl
02-20-2009, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!
blubuni99
02-20-2009, 09:46 AM
If Ron or LE suspects this guy, and this guy has his daughter and their whereabouts are unknown, I think maybe he downplayed or denied this incident to not tip him off. They don't know where she is and she is in danger, if still alive. The last thing they want to do is announce on national tv that this guy could be a potential POI or that Ron suspects him. If he really has her, I think he would want to get rid of the "problem" real quick. JMO.
That is so scary. And a good very point! I do think perhaps Ron and fam know more than they say. Also like Rons mom said they don't want to mess with the investigation.
You'd think though that this cousin might have been mentioned sooner than NOW though. Hopefully he was mentioned to LE before now.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 09:47 AM
If Ron or LE suspects this guy, and this guy has his daughter and their whereabouts are unknown, I think maybe he downplayed or denied this incident to not tip him off. They don't know where she is and she is in danger, if still alive. The last thing they want to do is announce on national tv that this guy could be a potential POI or that Ron suspects him. If he really has her, I think he would want to get rid of the "problem" real quick. JMO.
this is a definite possibility. it would also explain LE's lack of releasing info. they know this guy is involved and are praying that haleigh is still alive. maybe this guy passed her off to one of his criminal friends because he knew that LE would be looking at him. it seems to make sense that LE is doing what they think is best to bring this child home alive.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 09:47 AM
If Ron or LE suspects this guy, and this guy has his daughter and their whereabouts are unknown, I think maybe he downplayed or denied this incident to not tip him off. They don't know where she is and she is in danger, if still alive. The last thing they want to do is announce on national tv that this guy could be a potential POI or that Ron suspects him. If he really has her, I think he would want to get rid of the "problem" real quick. JMO.
Yeah, but it's all over the news now that they interviewed him....IDK It's confusing.
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 09:49 AM
Someone posted a link to this article in the media only thread.
I haven't heard of a "Joe"..
Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html#-
catch_22
02-20-2009, 09:49 AM
Yeah, but it's all over the news now that they interviewed him....IDK It's confusing.
yeah, and if the guy is watching, he would know that ron was lying about there not being a fight and probably know that LE was focusing on him.
LaLaw2000
02-20-2009, 09:52 AM
I wish I did but I'm at work. He's on Brandon's page. Maybe his name is Josh & not Joe...LOL I can't remember correctly. I know one went to jail but do we know that for sure? His last contact from anyone on myspace was 1/26 and also the last day he logged in.
Welcome, CajunGirl! (I am from Louisiana also!)
I am going to see if I can find that MySpace page.
LaLaw2000
02-20-2009, 09:53 AM
Someone posted a link to this article in the media only thread.
I haven't heard of a "Joe"..
Eyewitness News learned Thursday, that Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared. There are questions about what role he may have played in the disappearance. After the little girl vanished, he took off to Tennessee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html#-
Thanks!
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 09:53 AM
yeah, and if the guy is watching, he would know that ron was lying about there not being a fight and probably know that LE was focusing on him.
ETA...teh needs to read better* lol. I agree.
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 09:57 AM
Hi everyone. I'm new here :) I've been keeping up and reading all of your posts & finally was able to sign up last night.
Here is my question/thought...
Brandon's brother, Joe (if I'm remembering correctly)... I noticed his myspace said it hadn't logged in since 1/26 I believe? Misty was/is close to Brandon based off of messages we've read on the page & she's in pictures with him on his myspace...but Brandon's brother...different story. I don't see any "known" contact between Misty & him. The last comment left on his myspace was from a 16 yr old that stated "I know you're gone but..." I don't remember it all completely & don't have access while I'm at work but I found that interesting. Why is no one thinking it's him?
I hadn't seen this, there was just an article that said the cousin's name was Joe! But knowing how the media operates, don't know how reliable that info is!
ElizaAvalon
02-20-2009, 09:57 AM
This is cousin Joe (who is not to be confused with Josh). Joe IS from Tennessee:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970
Kayla's brother?
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 09:59 AM
Ron said No cousin, No fight, No gun. Misty is saying there was a cousin who got in a fight with Ron over a gun.
What I am wondering is if Misty is mixing the different incidents together. Her cousin was down staying with relatives because he was the one who had gotten into a fight about a gun that was stolen. Ron found out told him to hit the road. To Ron, there was no fight between him and this guy but he didn't want him around once he found out this guy had stolen gun. To Misty it is all connected.
Going back to the way she told the 'blanket story' she seems to string events from several different time periods into all one making it sound as though everything is connected when it may in fact be not be.
The only other reason I can come up with for Ron's denial about this, other than an outright lie, is that he wanted whomever may have been involved to think that he hadn't spilled anything to LE [or insert one not to be named bounty hunter] yet about it.
I did find the comment 'I have no enemies' interesting. He has said that before also. It is just so hard to tell what is really going on. On one hand if he knows or suspects something I can see him not wanting to say anything because then 'they' would know that LE also knows. If he were hiding things then he also would not want to say anything because it would shed light on it.
Grrr It would help if we could at least know if we have the corner pieces of this puzzle figured out.
Tonia
02-20-2009, 10:01 AM
The cousin Joe looks creepy to me. I believe that Misty just needs the focus on someone else besides herself.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 10:03 AM
ETA...teh needs to read better* lol. I agree.
i'm sure he knows he's a suspect. i think LE would just be trying to play it safe and not do anything to make this guy panic IF haleigh is still alive. LE might think that she probably isn't, but they don't want to take any chances.
it's scary to think that she could easily be anywhere between florida and tennessee. i think the touch dna (hopefully there is some) on the cinderblock might be about the only evidence they'd have. or any trace of haleigh in this guy's vehicle (assuming she wasn't in there at all while this guy was visiting). i wonder if his dna is on file or if he's refused to give a sample?
TxLady2
02-20-2009, 10:04 AM
MeoW I missed that interview. I hope to find a clip of it later today. Thank you for sharing what you saw posted and if it's accurate that is a very odd thing for her to say on national television. I'm not sure what to make of it. I'm not going to form an opinion until I get to see her say it, but off hand it sounds as if she's diverting attention to herself? I don't know yet.
Not being snarky but why would it be so odd for her to say she doesn't know whether he could be involved, if she doesn't know? If someone asks me a question that I don't know the answer to, I say I don't know.... it's simple.
Maybe she is not really sure what this cousin is capable of, maybe she doesn't know him all that well. I have many cousins I see rarely, only at funerals of relatives, and they live fairly close, so it's not strange to me at all.
momtective
02-20-2009, 10:05 AM
This is cousin Joe (who is not to be confused with Josh). Joe IS from Tennessee:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970
Kayla's brother?
Kayla, Kristy, & Joe are siblings.
Paintr
02-20-2009, 10:11 AM
i'm sure he knows he's a suspect. i think LE would just be trying to play it safe and not do anything to make this guy panic IF haleigh is still alive. LE might think that she probably isn't, but they don't want to take any chances.
it's scary to think that she could easily be anywhere between florida and tennessee. i think the touch dna (hopefully there is some) on the cinderblock might be about the only evidence they'd have. or any trace of haleigh in this guy's vehicle (assuming she wasn't in there at all while this guy was visiting). i wonder if his dna is on file or if he's refused to give a sample?
Why would this cousin want to take this child to TN? If he took the child in retalation, now he has a child to care for, feed, cloth, get medical help for, or to dispose of permanently. That brings in the FBI and the DP. Why would he want all that? Just wait for RC and pay him back!
All I can see is three things
#1...a neglect/accident/ rage killing by 'close to the child' individual and subsequent disposal.
#2...Bio mom takes child back from ubfair custody (not very likely)
#3...SO abduction.
Who else would want this child?
momtective
02-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Ron said No cousin, No fight, No gun. Misty is saying there was a cousin who got in a fight with Ron over a gun.
What I am wondering is if Misty is mixing the different incidents together. Her cousin was down staying with relatives because he was the one who had gotten into a fight about a gun that was stolen. Ron found out told him to hit the road. To Ron, there was no fight between him and this guy but he didn't want him around once he found out this guy had stolen gun. To Misty it is all connected.
Going back to the way she told the 'blanket story' she seems to string events from several different time periods into all one making it sound as though everything is connected when it may in fact be not be.
The only other reason I can come up with for Ron's denial about this, other than an outright lie, is that he wanted whomever may have been involved to think that he hadn't spilled anything to LE [or insert one not to be named bounty hunter] yet about it.
I did find the comment 'I have no enemies' interesting. He has said that before also. It is just so hard to tell what is really going on. On one hand if he knows or suspects something I can see him not wanting to say anything because then 'they' would know that LE also knows. If he were hiding things then he also would not want to say anything because it would shed light on it.
Grrr It would help if we could at least know if we have the corner pieces of this puzzle figured out.
I was thinking the same thing, a verbal altercation between Ron & Cousin may have been interpreted by Misty as a fight, whereas Ron would define a fight to mean he beat the ***** outta the guy.
I think Ronnie is saying as little as possible so as not to pizz the guy off.
God, I pray this guy has Haleigh and that she's alive.
I'm going through every friend of every player in this thing looking for that Rav4.
Yeah, but it's all over the news now that they interviewed him....IDK It's confusing.
Maybe the media was being asked to hold off... I remember someone posted when the parents were being questioned that first coast news responded they were being asked not to report on some things. Maybe the media finally forced the issue a few days later since Misty was now publicly making statements about the cousin. Just a thought although I agree there are many confusing aspects of this case.
ETA: Did Misty comment on the cousin first or did LE?
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 10:19 AM
Maybe the media was being asked to hold off... I remember someone posted when the parents were being questioned that first coast news responded they were being asked not to report on some things. Maybe the media finally forced the issue a few days later since Misty was now publicly making statements about the cousin. Just a thought although I agree there are many confusing aspects of this case.
ETA: Did Misty comment on the cousin first or did LE?
iirc....Misty. And as soon as she did the media went with it. The conflict of the story is between Ron and Misty.
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 10:19 AM
Has anyone come across a Tina or a Wiley in the myspace pages?
catch_22
02-20-2009, 10:20 AM
Why would this cousin want to take this child to TN? If he took the child in retalation, now he has a child to care for, feed, cloth, get medical help for, or to dispose of permanently. That brings in the FBI and the DP. Why would he want all that? Just wait for RC and pay him back!
All I can see is three things
#1...a neglect/accident/ rage killing by 'close to the child' individual and subsequent disposal.
#2...Bio mom takes child back from ubfair custody (not very likely)
#3...SO abduction.
Who else would want this child?
i have a feeling that this cousin isn't a brainiac. maybe this was a drunken/drugged plan that he didn't really think through very well. maybe he is a coward and ron already kicked his azz so he decided to do something sneaky that he thought he could get away with.
i'm not saying that i'm sure this guy is responsible but i think it is possible and actually seems to fit with how LE and others are behaving.
ElizaAvalon
02-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Kayla, Kristy, & Joe are siblings.
Do you have a last name for them?
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 10:23 AM
i have a feeling that this cousin isn't a brainiac. maybe this was a drunken/drugged plan that he didn't really think through very well. maybe he is a coward and ron already kicked his azz so he decided to do something sneaky that he thought he could get away with.
i'm not saying that i'm sure this guy is responsible but i think it is possible and actually seems to fit with how LE and others are behaving.
Or is it, as other's have mentioned, a scam$$$$$?
catch_22
02-20-2009, 10:26 AM
Or is it, as other's have mentioned, a scam$$$$$?
definitely possible, too. there are still so many possibilitlies and hardly anything can be ruled out at this point with the very little info that has been released (along with the disturbingly large amount of misinfo).
SeriouslySearching
02-20-2009, 10:27 AM
I can't figure out the discrepancies in their two stories either. Maybe the fight wasn't about the gun and maybe it wasn't really a fight...but it seems Ron should know if he was around during the time Haleigh went missing and if he was harboring ill will towards the family. LE should be all over the cousin if it is possible to place him in the area and if he had access to the home.
Paintr
02-20-2009, 10:29 AM
Or is it, as other's have mentioned, a scam$$$$$?
I have a difficult time imagining the scam idea, but that is what many were afraid of happening after the Caylee A case. So who knows?
If the cousin had half a brain cell, he must have realized the difficulties to come having this little girl to cart around. If he was in Florida so long, he must have known her health issues.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 10:30 AM
I have a difficult time imagining the scam idea, but that is what many were afraid of happening after the Caylee A case. So who knows?
If the cousin had half a brain cell, he must have realized the difficulties to come having this little girl to cart around. If he was in Florida so long, he must have known her health issues.
If he took her, I don't think he was concerned with keeping her alive.
blubuni99
02-20-2009, 10:31 AM
Why would this cousin want to take this child to TN? If he took the child in retalation, now he has a child to care for, feed, cloth, get medical help for, or to dispose of permanently. That brings in the FBI and the DP. Why would he want all that? Just wait for RC and pay him back!
All I can see is three things
#1...a neglect/accident/ rage killing by 'close to the child' individual and subsequent disposal.
#2...Bio mom takes child back from ubfair custody (not very likely)
#3...SO abduction.
Who else would want this child?
Didn't it say somewhere that Misty talked about that cousin molesting her when she was younger? I don't have a link but I thought I read that on these boards. If that is true, then perhaps the cousin took Haleigh for retaliation and also for... other purposes. I hate even suggesting that.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 10:33 AM
My opine of the whole thing is Misty is somehow involved. She knows something. If this cousin was involved it could be for several reasons....none of em' good. Maybe he hid the body for her and now she is going to throw him under the bus. Maybe he did take her to get Ron back. Who knows....I know people are lying, at that means someone is hiding something.
I'm beginning to wonder if we can trust that any story that orginates with Misty is accurate.
SeriouslySearching
02-20-2009, 10:34 AM
Sadly, Teh...I would have to agree. Someone with an axe to grind who would go to the extreme to kidnap a child would not have the child's best interest in mind.
Paintr
02-20-2009, 10:40 AM
Didn't it say somewhere that Misty talked about that cousin molesting her when she was younger? I don't have a link but I thought I read that on these boards. If that is true, then perhaps the cousin took Haleigh for retaliation and also for... other purposes. I hate even suggesting that.
Oh! I forgot that! Too much info to keep it all straight. I just couldn't see an up side for the cousin to steal Haleigh. That may be a reason. As for the retailation, why not just wait for RC on a dark night with a couple of buddies and a baseball bat? Less difficult. More direct. Seems more in keeping with the 'solve your own problems' mindset.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 10:42 AM
And we have to throw in that Misty has really not known Ron all that long. Any loyalties she may have....might be toward her own family.
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 10:47 AM
Oh! I forgot that! Too much info to keep it all straight. I just couldn't see an up side for the cousin to steal Haleigh. That may be a reason. As for the retailation, why not just wait for RC on a dark night with a couple of buddies and a baseball bat? Less difficult. More direct. Seems more in keeping with the 'solve your own problems' mindset.
Hadn't thought about that, but I agree. Taking a hot head's child wouldn't be what I think the cousin would do either. But then again, if he's an SO who just hasn't gotten "caught" yet, maybe this would be a way he'd get even.
Paintr
02-20-2009, 10:53 AM
Hadn't thought about that, but I agree. Taking a hot head's child wouldn't be what I think the cousin would do either. But then again, if he's an SO who just hasn't gotten "caught" yet, maybe this would be a way he'd get even.
I know people like these seem to be. If the cousin had big problems with Ron, I think it would become a 'family affair' settled with fists and feet not elaborate kidnapping plots. But I could be reading that totally wrong. LOL!
I really can't see this as an 'inside' job so to speak. I am holding out for stranger involvement. Misti may have provided the oppertunity by slipping out, but I think that's it. MOO
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 10:53 AM
And we have to throw in that Misty has really not known Ron all that long. Any loyalties she may have....might be toward her own family.
If that was the case I can't see her throwing suspicion on her own family. She brought the cousin into this, so that makes no sense to me.
And, it's been said, Misty got involved with Ron by telling him his alleged other child might be in a bad environment. Which means she risked her babysitting job because she though the welfare of the child was more important than her job.
That being said, I believe somehow Misty is the keystone here.
kellync
02-20-2009, 10:56 AM
If that was the case I can't see her throwing suspicion on her own family. She brought the cousin into this, so that makes no sense to me.
And, it's been said, Misty got involved with Ron by telling him his alleged other child might be in a bad environment. Which means she risked her babysitting job because she though the welfare of the child was more important than her job.
That being said, I believe somehow Misty is the keystone here.
OR--Maybe Misty was the one in a bad environment.....She may have had her sights on Ron from the beginning.
The cousin may just be another way for Misty to point the finger elsewhere. Just a thought.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 10:57 AM
If that was the case I can't see her throwing suspicion on her own family. She brought the cousin into this, so that makes no sense to me.
And, it's been said, Misty got involved with Ron by telling him his alleged other child might be in a bad environment. Which means she risked her babysitting job because she though the welfare of the child was more important than her job.
That being said, I believe somehow Misty if the keystone here.
I think better that I type.....I questioned her brother's (the one with the van) involvment almost from the get go. When I typed that I was thinking about her protecting her bro and herself by throwing cousin under the bus...but as you clearly pointed out....what I typed made no sense........:bang:
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 10:58 AM
OR--Maybe Misty was the one in a bad environment.....She may have had her sights on Ron from the beginning.
The cousin may just be another way for Misty to point the finger elsewhere. Just a thought.
I have to admit that's crossed my mind as well.
marlap
02-20-2009, 11:05 AM
I am as confused as you are, The man would have to be plain stupid to take a kidnapped child out to eat at a resturant< i don't believe its Haliegh, unless the man seen with the child is dumber than we think:eek:
You never know...that's exactly how Shasta Groene was spotted and consequently rescued.
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 11:06 AM
I think better that I type.....I questioned her brother's (the one with the van) involvment almost from the get go. When I typed that I was thinking about her protecting her bro and herself by throwing cousin under the bus...but as you clearly pointed out....what I typed made no sense........:bang:
OK that makes absolute sense! :)
blubuni99
02-20-2009, 11:08 AM
I think better that I type.....I questioned her brother's (the one with the van) involvment almost from the get go. When I typed that I was thinking about her protecting her bro and herself by throwing cousin under the bus...but as you clearly pointed out....what I typed made no sense........:bang:
bolded by me
I think that makes perfect sense - especially if the cousin she's throwing under the bus is the same one who molested her when she was younger.
They'llDanceInHeaven
02-20-2009, 11:16 AM
Did anyone else catch the pics of the little girl on Brandon's my space? It is NOT Haleigh but it does look exstreamly odd to me. Somethings not right! With all those odd men and her on the couch. You have to watch the photo show all the way threw.
SeriouslySearching
02-20-2009, 11:19 AM
Yes. I did see the little girl. I am assuming she is related and wouldn't be considered odd to be with a grandparent or perhaps her father in the photo.
maureenv
02-20-2009, 11:31 AM
i have a feeling that this cousin isn't a brainiac. maybe this was a drunken/drugged plan that he didn't really think through very well. maybe he is a coward and ron already kicked his azz so he decided to do something sneaky that he thought he could get away with.
i'm not saying that i'm sure this guy is responsible but i think it is possible and actually seems to fit with how LE and others are behaving.
Does anyone think...that the "cousin" who got into the alledged "fight" with Ron, originally was "sending a message" like "watch your back Ron, I can get to you anytime" the blew out of control? These are dumb@zz kids (young adults). Then cops, national attention, etc. He ran off to TN (where he knows his way around) to hide.
Ron suspects this guy has a gun, doesn't want to tip him off, hoping to keep Haleigh safe.
Bobby62
02-20-2009, 11:41 AM
And we have to throw in that Misty has really not known Ron all that long. Any loyalties she may have....might be toward her own family.
I question how she could be loyal to a family who allowed her to be used as a playground by her cousins and friends of the family. We have heard plenty from Misty's mom, all the grandmas, etc. Where are all the dads and grandfathers? I know most of Ron's arrests were mirrors of his dad's earlier arrests but where is his dad now in trying to help this boy find his daughter?
Where is Misty's dad? Where is Crystal's dad?
I reckon the poorest person in Putnam county is the tooth fairy
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 11:44 AM
I question how she could be loyal to a family who allowed her to be used as a playground by her cousins and friends of the family. We have heard plenty from Misty's mom, all the grandmas, etc. Where are all the dads and grandfathers? I know most of Ron's arrests were mirrors of his dad's earlier arrests but where is his dad now in trying to help this boy find his daughter?
Where is Misty's dad? Where is Crystal's dad?
I reckon the poorest person in Putnam county is the tooth fairy
Misty's dad in in a wheelchair with a broken leg? I caught a glimpse of him yesterday. As for the rest, they were there at first IIRC....but the last few days, IDK.
ROBLYN
02-20-2009, 11:47 AM
Ron said No cousin, No fight, No gun. Misty is saying there was a cousin who got in a fight with Ron over a gun.
What I am wondering is if Misty is mixing the different incidents together. Her cousin was down staying with relatives because he was the one who had gotten into a fight about a gun that was stolen. Ron found out told him to hit the road. To Ron, there was no fight between him and this guy but he didn't want him around once he found out this guy had stolen gun. To Misty it is all connected.
Going back to the way she told the 'blanket story' she seems to string events from several different time periods into all one making it sound as though everything is connected when it may in fact be not be.
The only other reason I can come up with for Ron's denial about this, other than an outright lie, is that he wanted whomever may have been involved to think that he hadn't spilled anything to LE [or insert one not to be named bounty hunter] yet about it.
I did find the comment 'I have no enemies' interesting. He has said that before also. It is just so hard to tell what is really going on. On one hand if he knows or suspects something I can see him not wanting to say anything because then 'they' would know that LE also knows. If he were hiding things then he also would not want to say anything because it would shed light on it.
Grrr It would help if we could at least know if we have the corner pieces of this puzzle figured out.
As usual, you are making a lot of sense shadow. She does twist her stories together. I talk like that,:eek: but i hope easier to follow...
This car stuff is a mess...well everything is a mess...Hope LE or even the other one can figure it out soon...
DixiePeach
02-20-2009, 12:04 PM
Do you have a last name for them?
Not sure if this was answered but the last name is Overstreet.
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 12:25 PM
I just watched the video of Misty with Teresa on MSNBC. Misty was showing some defiance in her answers. When the interviewer asked what she had been asked her answer was basically 'all the same things again'. That is not what she said but that was her tone of voice. Annoyance.
I do have to wonder if she keeps coming up with new things because they keep asking the same questions and she feels if she tells them something else than they will be satisfied and leave her alone.
It's been 10 days since Haleigh was reported missing and on day 8 or 9 she comes out with the cousin and the gun story. Where was that on day 1? She didn't think that might have been important out of the starting gate.
I just have to think at this point that Misty may be trying to get the attention off of her and decided that this ‘criminal cousin’ of hers would be a good person to point a finger at. He had been in the area and would be a good choice to sic the dogs on.
I just can’t figure out what Misty would be still be hiding at this point. If she left the children alone in the home and someone came in why she was gone and abducted Haleigh why not just tell LE that. Even is she didn’t leave and invited someone over to the house then why not tell LE that also. I get the point that she would be afraid of ticking Ron off, maybe afraid of no longer being able to stay with him but does she really feel that by not doing everything to help LE find Haleigh that things will work out between her and Ron anyway. Long term marriages have not survived the stress and guilt associated with a missing child.
He may not being saying anything publicly but he has to at this point be questioning all of Misty’s changing stories. Heck, the first night is was apparent that he felt it was her fault, albeit knee jerk reaction to the situation, but now when you add in the fact that shirt that she said that is what she put Haleigh to bed in was found to still be in the home he has to rethinking his original stance of believing what she has said.
NJ Lawyer
02-20-2009, 12:26 PM
This "Joe" is listed on Brandon's myspace and he lives in Tennessee. Connection?
MADJGNLAW
02-20-2009, 12:31 PM
He stole a gun (allegedly) from Ron. Got into a fight with Ron, why won't they release his name?
I have many of Misty's male cousins from Tenn mypace pages. Only one of them hasn't logged on in the past month.
Why wont LE release the name/photo of this person?
Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared.
Article/Video: http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html
I to wish they would give more information, I am looking at the sex offenders from TN, looking by the name of Joe..it's kind of hard with no last name.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 12:35 PM
Misty Croslin's cousin, known as "Joe" was in town the night Haleigh disappeared.
Article/Video: http://www.wftv.com/news/18757844/detail.html
I to wish they would give more information, I am looking at the sex offenders from TN, looking by the name of Joe..it's kind of hard with no last name.
did you get any matches on the first name?
cocoamom
02-20-2009, 12:47 PM
I know this isn't a "vehicle" thread but all this talk about a car/Rav --- what about the darned VAN??? She said "van" originally but we hear nothing - there was a blanket in the van -
Oh, and what DNA does LE have?
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 12:50 PM
Investigators Question Relative of Misti Croslin in Tennessee
Posted By: Talia Naquin (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/contacts/default.aspx) http://www.firstcoastnews.com/graphics/bullet1.gif Created: 2/19/2009 10:40:08 PM http://www.firstcoastnews.com/graphics/bullet1.gif Updated: 2/19/2009 11:44:00 PM
PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Following tips on a possible Haleigh sighting in Tennessee, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office has questions for someone who lives there. He is a relative of Misti Croslin, the girlfriend of Haleigh's father and the last known person who saw the child the night she disappeared.
The tip came in that someone spotted a girl matching Haleigh Cummings' description in a Carrabba's in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.
Thursday, deputies picked up Croslin for another round of questioning. She was at the sheriff's department for five hours.
Sheriff Jeff Hardy will not say how Misti Croslin and the person in Tennessee are related, or if that person is a sex offender
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=17
Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.
He is the guy and i believe this tip is valid this news conference is going to verify that I believe
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 12:50 PM
I know this isn't a "vehicle" thread but all this talk about a car/Rav --- what about the darned VAN??? She said "van" originally but we hear nothing - there was a blanket in the van -
Oh, and what DNA does LE have?
The van she was talking about was the police van
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 12:50 PM
did you get any matches on the first name?
There's more about this in the "Cousin" thread. People think this might be him:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970
ETA: Oops I'm in the Cousin's thread! This case has me nutty!
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 12:53 PM
did you get any matches on the first name?
Confirmed Joe anyone know the last name? someone mistakenly on another thread said his name was Brandon
ksgirl78
02-20-2009, 12:54 PM
The van she was talking about was the police van
The police van?
I thought she said, they took my blanket, so she had to wash Haleigh's soiled one and one off of the window???
Where did you hear it was a police van? Do you have a link to this?
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 12:55 PM
Thank you for the link to "Joe" it appears from messages from other's that Brandon is his brother?
I think there is a good chance Haleigh is alive
ROBLYN
02-20-2009, 12:56 PM
Thank you for the link to "Joe" it appears from messages from other's that Brandon is his brother?
I think there is a good chance Haleigh is alive
I pray you are correct.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 12:57 PM
The police van?
I thought she said, they took my blanket, so she had to wash Haleigh's soiled one and one off of the window???
Where did you hear it was a police van? Do you have a link to this?
I watched the orginal video where Misty mentions the van. The van was in reference to what police removed from the home, IMO, no mention of a van from the perp. if there had been it would have been included in the Amber Alert
cocoamom
02-20-2009, 12:57 PM
Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.
He is the guy and i believe this tip is valid this news conference is going to verify that I believe
Press conference? When? Lord I am so lost! Haleigh, Caylee, presser, doc dump, sleep? What's sleep? Somebody "reach out" to me!!! :eek:
catch_22
02-20-2009, 12:57 PM
Witnesses report that a man with the girl shielded her face. They are said to have left in a red Toyota Rav4 with a Florida license plate.
He is the guy and i believe this tip is valid this news conference is going to verify that I believe
we have no idea if this is a credible tip.
somehow, i seriously doubt that this press conference will verify this tip.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 12:58 PM
This "Joe" is listed on Brandon's myspace and he lives in Tennessee. Connection?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970
Joe looks 100% Hispanic. Are we sure this is the right guy?
ROBLYN
02-20-2009, 01:02 PM
Press conference? When? Lord I am so lost! Haleigh, Caylee, presser, doc dump, sleep? What's sleep? Somebody "reach out" to me!!! :eek:
Hi cocamom,
OT/
3pm today, i'm sure one of our great sleuths will put up a link: This site seems to update pretty quicky, after each conference.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090220/ARTICLES/902201011/1002?Title=Girlfriend-talks-with-investigators-again-in-Haleigh-case
Daphne69
02-20-2009, 01:03 PM
I watched the orginal video where Misty mentions the van. The van was in reference to what police removed from the home, IMO, no mention of a van from the perp. if there had been it would have been included in the Amber Alert
It can't be the police van. She said her blanket was in the van and that's why she had to take one down from the window -- meaning this all happened before Haleigh disappeared.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 01:03 PM
Okay I got it now Brandon is Misty's brother. NO involvement. I also do not the Joe posted is the right Joe.
SuziQ
02-20-2009, 01:03 PM
I don't know that we'll find Joe in any SO database. Misty has said he was never prosecuted for messing with her. If you believe what Misty says that is....
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 01:06 PM
Hi cocamom,
OT/
3pm today, i'm sure one of our great sleuths will put up a link: This site seems to update pretty quicky, after each conference.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090220/ARTICLES/902201011/1002?Title=Girlfriend-talks-with-investigators-again-in-Haleigh-case
The sheriff acknowledged investigators have been in touch with a relative of Croslin's out of Tennessee who apparently had been visiting her. Hardy wouldn't confirm further details about the person.
Investigators also have seized a vehicle in connection with the case but wouldn't provide details about the kind of vehicle or who owns it
There you have it vehicle seized. Pretty sure this is the cousins vehicle unless they took the other pedophile's just to make sure Haleigh wasn't in there.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 01:07 PM
I don't know that we'll find Joe in any SO database. Misty has said he was never prosecuted for messing with her. If you believe what Misty says that is....
I believe what Misty says. This girl had nothing to do with it.
ksgirl78
02-20-2009, 01:13 PM
I watched the orginal video where Misty mentions the van. The van was in reference to what police removed from the home, IMO, no mention of a van from the perp. if there had been it would have been included in the Amber Alert
Hmmm...well, that's an interesting take!
IMO, she was referring to her blanket that she normally slept with, and when she went to put Haleigh to bed she realized that she had peed on it so she had to wash it and the one off of the window, so as she would have a blanket that night too, and covered Haleigh with a sheet!
Who knows!!!
kljohnson0458
02-20-2009, 01:34 PM
Interesting that the person was seen at a Carrabba's with a child fitting Haleigh's description. That is a very nice italian dining chain and a little on the pricey side. I certainly can't see the person depicted in that myspace page (Joe) dining at a place like that. I don't mean that in a mean way just odd to me.
liljim
02-20-2009, 01:42 PM
nedthan - do you have a link to where it is said that the FBI or the sheriff talked to the cousin from tennessee ? all i have seen is that are "investigating" him, not that they have "interviewed" or actually spoken with him, or even found him for that matter.
thanx.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 01:54 PM
nedthan - do you have a link to where it is said that the FBI or the sheriff talked to the cousin from tennessee ? all i have seen is that are "investigating" him, not that they have "interviewed" or actually spoken with him, or even found him for that matter.
thanx.
Let me go find it, it was back on the other thread. BRB
kellync
02-20-2009, 02:00 PM
Ok, let the speculation begin.
They all look like bad news to me..
BUT we do now have at least a first name:Joe
JBean
02-20-2009, 02:01 PM
I hope you all are not just linking to random people or people not involved as far as LE is concered? I cannot look right now, but if you have linked to anyone like that please remove asap.
momtective
02-20-2009, 02:08 PM
Maybe I misunderstood but on HLN I just heard Ron's mom say "when relatives bring over friend's you don't ask them for a criminal background check." This leads me to believe that Misty's cousin had a friend with him. hum...
http://www.wftv.com/video/18758194/index.html
jaimie43
02-20-2009, 02:13 PM
ok, joes #1 friend on his latest myspace page is named something gangster something...he is Joe's #1 friend, ok?
OK--There is a comment on his page from a girl and here is what it says (I have bolded a portion that I found interesting, dated Feb 3:
I've lived in Florida 2 years ago though... Didn't really care for it myself, I'm a TN girl for sure. Are you going to take lil' man & the baby mama with you... How is Aunt Marilyn & the kids? Haven't talked to them in forever. Your baby mama is halarious, telling you not to talk to the hoes & stuff. You only have 1 kid right? Yeah i been living here for 3 months now, way to long. Do you still live at home? What is your sister's e-mail so i can add her... You look cold in your default pic... LOL... What in the hell did you get locked up for anyways... I was reading your comments, some of them cracked me up son
Speculating here, but does this mean they were talking about fla, and he was going? Why is everyone in TN going to fla?
Yep...I think I was on the right track but I deleted my post. Im gonna let someone else figure it out.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 02:15 PM
nedthan - do you have a link to where it is said that the FBI or the sheriff talked to the cousin from tennessee ? all i have seen is that are "investigating" him, not that they have "interviewed" or actually spoken with him, or even found him for that matter.
thanx.
Liljim, I could not locate the video, It was on the Press thread half way down. There was a video and I clicked on the story linked to it and it opened another video about the search being conducted now. The reporter points out tire tracks and then goes on to state the cousin is being interviewed by the FBI. I will keep searching
smart blonde
02-20-2009, 02:17 PM
What about Duncan and the Grone girl. she was spoted in a Denny??
My thoughts exactly... Duncan took that little girl out to dinner in the same town he had kidnapped her from months before. Brazen, to say the least. But, Duncan's crime of entering the house with two adults and a teenage boy clearly inside, murdering those three people, and kidnapping the two younger children was extremly brazen, to begin with.
But, when I heard of this alleged sighting in TN., I wasn't picturing this man taking the little girl into the restaurant to eat, I think it's more likely he brought the child in with him in a quick attempt to locate someone else in the restaurant.
alwaysonmymind
02-20-2009, 02:17 PM
Liljim, I could not locate the video, It was on the Press thread half way down. There was a video and I clicked on the story linked to it and it opened another video about the search being conducted now. The reporter points out tire tracks and then goes on to state the cousin is being interviewed by the FBI. I will keep searching
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=3
Investigators Question Relative of Misty Croslin in Tennessee
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 02:26 PM
nedthan - do you have a link to where it is said that the FBI or the sheriff talked to the cousin from tennessee ? all i have seen is that are "investigating" him, not that they have "interviewed" or actually spoken with him, or even found him for that matter.
thanx.
FOUND IT
http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html
Reporter states "The FBI is investigating Croslin's cousin." -this as the search is on-going. IMO the Tip is a confession from the cousin or the police are pretty sure there is a good chance she is back there. Watch the video the amount of LE is incrediable. I think you are getting hung up by the word investigating. They have this guy now.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 02:27 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131791&catid=3
Investigators Question Relative of Misty Croslin in Tennessee
LOL thanks Always.
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 02:38 PM
I think LE clearly is taking the cousin tip seriously. They seemed to have told Ron and Misty to NOT talk about it to the media.
Ron denies it all in yesterdays family presser. LE conveniently picks up Misty and whisks her away 5 minutes before the presser...(so she couldn't speak IMO)
In LE presser a media member mentions to the Sheriff that Misty told her about the cousin. Good thing the Sheriff was standing because if he had a chair he would have fallen off it. His reaction to hearing Misty mentioned this cousin to the media was VERY telling....again IMO.
I have been leaning towards Cousin Joe for a few days now but hate to come out and accuse anyone without evidence.
Nedthan Johns
02-20-2009, 02:47 PM
I pinged that cousin the first time he was mentioned. Really had to have been a known pedophile or someone close to the family. I ruled Misty out the first time I heard her interview.
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 02:51 PM
I think LE clearly is taking the cousin tip seriously. They seemed to have told Ron and Misty to NOT talk about it to the media.
Ron denies it all in yesterdays family presser. LE conveniently picks up Misty and whisks her away 5 minutes before the presser...(so she couldn't speak IMO)
In LE presser a media member mentions to the Sheriff that Misty told her about the cousin. Good thing the Sheriff was standing because if he had a chair he would have fallen off it. His reaction to hearing Misty mentioned this cousin to the media was VERY telling....again IMO.
I have been leaning towards Cousin Joe for a few days now but hate to come out and accuse anyone without evidence.
And my question is just why did Misty say anything to the media about the cousin? A warning maybe! Is she just not getting the big picture?
Maybe that explains her bit of an 'attitude' this morning. She may have gotten her butt chewed out by LE and may explain why she was not at the tent with Ron and was 'home'. Maybe Ron had a few choice words for her also. Pure speculation on my part.
Brwnigirl
02-20-2009, 03:08 PM
Help?
This is really bugging me b/c I cannot find the link now. In one of the last press conferences where RC was speaking with his mother he said something in reference to who had Hayleigh and I would like to look it again.
He said something about "This is blood".
Does anyone know the comment and I am wondering if Ron was making a cryptic remark to another "blood" relative...like Misty's cousin.
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 03:10 PM
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Actually she was on myspace from Sunday afternoon till two days ago and so was cousin Brandon and cousin Joe's friend Brandon from tennessee,all three in Florida.
You know, my boyfriends child is missing, I'm being questioned by everybody and their uncle. The last place I would be thinking about is spending time on myspace. maybe it's just me :rolleyes:
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 03:13 PM
Help?
This is really bugging me b/c I cannot find the link now. In one of the last press conferences where RC was speaking with his mother he said something in reference to who had Hayleigh and I would like to look it again.
He said something about "This is blood".
Does anyone know the comment and I am wondering if Ron was making a cryptic remark to another "blood" relative...like Misty's cousin.
Yesterday presser. I believe the one at 1:00PM IIRC. The same one that the man from the local funeral home said that they had set up an account for anyone who wanted to make a donation. There was another one later in the day with LE
smart blonde
02-20-2009, 03:14 PM
Help?
This is really bugging me b/c I cannot find the link now. In one of the last press conferences where RC was speaking with his mother he said something in reference to who had Hayleigh and I would like to look it again.
He said something about "This is blood".
Does anyone know the comment and I am wondering if Ron was making a cryptic remark to another "blood" relative...like Misty's cousin.
I heard him make that statement also, and I clearly understood him to mean that HALEIGH is his blood, his child, not just a possession that can be stolen.
Tom'sGirl
02-20-2009, 03:23 PM
We don't need to post the photos of friends of the family from MySpace here. They have nothing to do with this case other than by association at this time!
ETA: Enough already with posting links and other to the minor children related to the family!
kiki the parrot
02-20-2009, 03:30 PM
Posted this on timeline but maybe should be here. It was reported at one time that gf's SO cousin from TN had been cleared because he was supposedly elsewhere--but that was according to then timeline provided by gf, based upon her onetime version of events. We NOW learn SO cousin in fact was there on MONDAY. If there was ANY period of time, between 7 pm and 3am, during which he could have been ANYWHERE NEAR Haleigh and unaccounted for, no wonder LE's taking another hard look at this SOB. JMO
"The young woman who was caring for a missing 5-year-old Florida girl continued to maintain she was home all night when Haleigh Cummings vanished, but said she could not rule out the possibility that a male relative from Tennessee was involved in the disappearance.
Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old live-in girlfriend of Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, reported that Haleigh was missing from Cummings’ double-wide home around 3 a.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 10. The previous day, an unidentified male relative from Tennessee had left after a visit of an unspecified length. Cummings has denied published reports that he argued with the man about a gun."
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298349/
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LancelotLink
02-20-2009, 03:47 PM
Or is it, as other's have mentioned, a scam$$$$$?
Yeah! What tehcloser said!
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Is it okay to post Cousin Joe's last name? I do have it. It isn't to far of a stretch to figure it out. It has already been posted in here with his brothers name.
Patience
02-20-2009, 04:59 PM
Please do!
Nonni Brenda
02-20-2009, 05:09 PM
Hi everyone. I'm new here :) I've been keeping up and reading all of your posts & finally was able to sign up last night.
Here is my question/thought...
Brandon's brother, Joe (if I'm remembering correctly)... I noticed his myspace said it hadn't logged in since 1/26 I believe? Misty was/is close to Brandon based off of messages we've read on the page & she's in pictures with him on his myspace...but Brandon's brother...different story. I don't see any "known" contact between Misty & him. The last comment left on his myspace was from a 16 yr old that stated "I know you're gone but..." I don't remember it all completely & don't have access while I'm at work but I found that interesting. Why is no one thinking it's him?
Funny you mentioned JOE! In a news article I was reading (cant remember which one) LE was talking about the missing cousin, didnt mention his name, then at the end of the article stated that JOE is a relative. I wondered who Joe was he was talking about and if that was the missing cousing mentioned in other articles.
SuziQ
02-20-2009, 05:12 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html)
(snips)
The family of a little Florida girl who apparently vanished while she was sleeping is afraid she was taken by a pedophile cousin.
"What we've been told is that he's a sexual pedophile," said Haleigh's mother Crystal Sheffield. The child's grandmother Teresa Neves said Croslin described him as a "jerk" and she was worried.
She (Misty*) has also reportedly told different stories to police and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were the night the little girl disappeared.
*Misty's name added by me for clarification purposes.
Nonni Brenda
02-20-2009, 05:19 PM
lol. Confusing ain't it. The "police have the Rav 4 came from Nancy G herself, she made 1 statement that was never elaborated on.
However, IF and its a big IF, this story about the cousin is true. Ron is denying it, now why would he? I had a fleeting thought that hmmmm....maybe because one self expressed "media whore" is strangely amiss and may be in TN.....what ya think?:waitasec:
Maybe RC is denying the cousin, fight, and the gun because, MOO, the gun is illegal,maybe a crime was commited with it and he is afraid he will be in major trouble. Although if it could help find his little girl, looks like he would tell what it is all about, in hopes it would help find her.
SeriouslySearching
02-20-2009, 05:22 PM
Gosh...why didn't MC just come out with this to begin with?! She could have mentioned in any of her interviews this cousin had been there and left during the time when Haleigh went missing! Why hold this information back from the public? Drives me crazy how people stop short when a missing child is obviously in danger and people don't scream it from the rooftops!!! The hell with LE and if they said not to put it out there...if it were my child and I had information of that nature...I would call a presser, give his name, photo, address, and everything I knew about the POS as soon as I got off the phone with 911.
Anyone know what town he lives in TN???
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 05:30 PM
Gosh...why didn't MC just come out with this to begin with?! She could have mentioned in any of her interviews this cousin had been there and left during the time when Haleigh went missing! Why hold this information back from the public? Drives me crazy how people stop short when a missing child is obviously in danger and people don't scream it from the rooftops!!! The hell with LE and if they said not to put it out there...if it were my child and I had information of that nature...I would call a presser, give his name, photo, address, and everything I knew about the POS as soon as I got off the phone with 911.
I do remember her suspecting the cousin for quite awhile now. I think too many people where focused on her, and ignored it.
HLN is all over cousin "Joe" like white on rice. I've heard it played over and over while sitting here.
They are talking about the case right now on HLN too.
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 05:31 PM
Anyone know what town he lives in TN???
Ashland City.
Formerly lived in Antioch.
txsvicki
02-20-2009, 05:34 PM
If cousin Joe was in town it looks like he would have been staying with other friends and relatives and they would know what he was doing and how he was getting around town. LE could question all these people and someone would tell something. Joe's fingerprints should be in the trailer as well.
ksgirl78
02-20-2009, 05:34 PM
I do remember her suspecting the cousin for quite awhile now. I think too many people where focused on her, and ignored it.
Would you have a link to this info. I am not sure whether I ignored it or have just never seen it! Thanks...;)
Egoslayer
02-20-2009, 05:36 PM
He's not a registered sex offender. Who is saying he's a pedophile?
Here is his myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018
looks like he is pointing a gun!!!!!!!!!!
Here is his myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018
looks like he is pointing a gun!!!!!!!!!!
I looked at that before too. That's the skinniest strangest looking gun I have ever seen. Just sayin'...
Egoslayer
02-20-2009, 05:39 PM
Here is his myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018
looks like he is pointing a gun!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know if we're allowed to post myspaces, but here's the one he actually uses:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970
Egoslayer thanks for bringing up the pedophile issue. I haven't seen where he has been identified as one by LE yet. But the fact that Misty reports that he may have "messed" with her when she was 13 yrs old doesn't fall into the definition of pedophilia that I understand.
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 05:41 PM
Would you have a link to this info. I am not sure whether I ignored it or have just never seen it! Thanks...;)
I will try to find where I originally read it. I know it back when we only had 1 thread at a time and info was flying by so fast.
Tom'sGirl
02-20-2009, 05:48 PM
We don't need Screen Shots or any photos.
Simply list the link, unless it's a link to a 'Friend' and we don't want to involve them.
laura08
02-20-2009, 05:53 PM
There saying Mistys cousin took Haliegh and his name is Joe. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html
We don't need Screen Shots or any photos.
Simply list the link, unless it's a link to a 'Friend' and we don't want to involve them.
So sorry! :blowkiss: Won't happen again!
Patty G
02-20-2009, 05:54 PM
Is it okay to post Cousin Joe's last name? I do have it. It isn't to far of a stretch to figure it out. It has already been posted in here with his brothers name.
No last names
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 06:18 PM
No last names
Gotcha, thanks :)
Wise Old Owl
02-20-2009, 06:30 PM
HLN just had a reporter on the phone that is in the area - he said that this cuz "joe" had been placed at the home the day Haleigh went missing! :eek:
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 06:34 PM
I hope Nancy Grace will discuss this tonight.
momtective
02-20-2009, 06:35 PM
Okay, we know Joe's last name...it's the same as Brandon's.
winterrose
02-20-2009, 06:43 PM
Okay, we know Joe's last name...it's the same as Brandon's.
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I would bet on it.
winterrose
02-20-2009, 06:46 PM
IMO there could only be one way he could have gotten in trailer.
smart blonde
02-20-2009, 06:50 PM
I looked at that before too. That's the skinniest strangest looking gun I have ever seen. Just sayin'...
That's not a gun... THIS is a gun!
just kidding.:crazy:
Seahorseladydi
02-20-2009, 06:53 PM
This maybe a REALLY stupid question But..... I need clarifacation....
Misti says he (Joe) "messed" with her when she was 13.... right? that was 4 years ago... meaning he was 15 at the time....... if he is 19 like his myspace says.... am I correct?
If I am then how the he?? is he is Sex offender or pedi?????
natsound
02-20-2009, 06:53 PM
IMO there could only be one way he could have gotten in trailer.
Unfortunately, Haleigh herself could have let him in. She recognized him. He could have led her outside and into a waiting car.
winterrose
02-20-2009, 06:53 PM
The cousins myspaces are buzzing today,most are online.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 06:54 PM
This maybe a REALLY stupid question But..... I need clarifacation....
Misti says he (Joe) "messed" with her when she was 13.... right? that was 4 years ago... meaning he was 15 at the time....... if he is 19 like his myspace says.... am I correct?
If I am then how the he?? is he is Sex offender or pedi?????
i don't think that he officially is.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 06:55 PM
The cousins myspaces are buzzing today,most are online.
probably trying to figure out how they can cash in on their celebrity status.
smart blonde
02-20-2009, 06:55 PM
IMO there could only be one way he could have gotten in trailer.
That's what I keep going back to, also...
Someone had to have unlocked that deadbolt, in order to open the door.
I'm thinking someone from the INSIDE OF THE TRAILER, and I don't mean the children.
kellync
02-20-2009, 06:56 PM
i don't think that he officially is.
I agree. not "officially"
Wise Old Owl
02-20-2009, 06:58 PM
Question. Please don't slap me - I'm just thinking out loud here. IF this cuz is involved, we know FBI has talked to him. So, it is know where he is. With Ron being so adamant about what he would do to the person that did this - why isn't he on his way to TN? I know the family wouldn't "let" him go and try to discourage him - BUT if it was me, and seeing his anger - he would "find a way to sneak out" and go - dontcha think?
Gma said today he wasn't doing well. I just don't know what to think any more.
winterrose
02-20-2009, 06:59 PM
Well,what you need to do is go look at his cousin's site from Joe's myspace,then you'll see all kinds of guns and him.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 07:01 PM
Is "cuz" the help Misty had??? And are we fixing to see more drama?
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:01 PM
That's what I keep going back to, also...
Someone had to have unlocked that deadbolt, in order to open the door.
I'm thinking someone from the INSIDE OF THE TRAILER, and I don't mean the children.
i don't understand the propping of the screendoor if he was let in.
door could have been unlocked. maybe a/c guy left it unlocked and misty forgot to relock it after he left? maybe cousin was visiting with tommy around 5:30 and he unlocked it then; planning to sneak in later?
he might have been in town for around a month. maybe he stole a key at some point?
i wonder if the door had two locks that they were both locked regularly? or if they only locked the deadbolt?
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 07:02 PM
i don't understand the propping of the screendoor if he was let in.
door could have been unlocked. maybe a/c guy left it unlocked and misty forgot to relock it after he left? maybe cousin was visiting with tommy around 5:30 and he unlocked it then; planning to sneak in later?
he might have been in town for around a month. maybe he stole a key at some point?
i wonder if the door had two locks that they both locked regularly? or if they only locked the deadbolt?
I think the door was simply propped open because someone was carrying stuff out to a car.
NJ Lawyer
02-20-2009, 07:03 PM
What's sad to me is that officials have already spoken with Joe and they obviously didn't find Haleigh with him. Which means...if he took her, where is she now? I want to believe this poor girl is alive.
winterrose
02-20-2009, 07:03 PM
Question. Please don't slap me - I'm just thinking out loud here. IF this cuz is involved, we know FBI has talked to him. So, it is know where he is. With Ron being so adamant about what he would do to the person that did this - why isn't he on his way to TN? I know the family wouldn't "let" him go and try to discourage him - BUT if it was me, and seeing his anger - he would "find a way to sneak out" and go - dontcha think?
Gma said today he wasn't doing well. I just don't know what to think any more.
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There were other cousins together and what I'm hoping is they first wanted to get back at RC,but then all the media attention,got scared,maybe passed her off to other friends or cousins to hide.Maybe didn't know how to stop the cycle?That would be the good scenario.They could just drop her off somewhere.Maybe this is why LE is being tightlipped to give the opportunity for that,I don't know.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:04 PM
Question. Please don't slap me - I'm just thinking out loud here. IF this cuz is involved, we know FBI has talked to him. So, it is know where he is. With Ron being so adamant about what he would do to the person that did this - why isn't he on his way to TN? I know the family wouldn't "let" him go and try to discourage him - BUT if it was me, and seeing his anger - he would "find a way to sneak out" and go - dontcha think?
Gma said today he wasn't doing well. I just don't know what to think any more.
Maybe thats why he's having a bad day. He knows he cant go anywhere. LE would be all over him. I would like to know what effect this is having on Misty and her family seeing as though she has started an internal family drama here badmouthing her cousin, one of his parents is undoubetedly the brother or sister of one of Mistys parents.
Or maybe yesterday, they brought them into the station to let them know he had been cleared. Remember the trailer is still being held by LE, and today, LE said they didnt want to embarrass anyone. Why the heck would they say that instead of saying "we arent gonna comment about that " like they have everything else
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:05 PM
Question. Please don't slap me - I'm just thinking out loud here. IF this cuz is involved, we know FBI has talked to him. So, it is know where he is. With Ron being so adamant about what he would do to the person that did this - why isn't he on his way to TN? I know the family wouldn't "let" him go and try to discourage him - BUT if it was me, and seeing his anger - he would "find a way to sneak out" and go - dontcha think?
Gma said today he wasn't doing well. I just don't know what to think any more.
maybe ron has calmed down and realized that it's not worth throwing his life away to get revenge? maybe ron isn't sure that this guy took her?
mydailyopinions
02-20-2009, 07:05 PM
Is "cuz" the help Misty had??? And are we fixing to see more drama?
After the presser today where LE says they do not want to embarrass any family members, I took that as if this guy has nothing to do with it at all..
If he were there, he could have told them how Misty was acting and how the children were acting..
winterrose
02-20-2009, 07:07 PM
Unfortunately, Haleigh herself could have let him in. She recognized him. He could have led her outside and into a waiting car.
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This could be,if she recognized him,if door was unlocked.I'm thinking there was possibly a party going on,maybe MC crashed out.She said Jr was awake,walked out of the room.Did he walk out,because others were there to talk to in living room?I think this is coming to more info since this came out today.
mydailyopinions
02-20-2009, 07:08 PM
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This could be,if she recognized him,if door was unlocked.I'm thinking there was possibly a party going on,maybe MC crashed out.She said Jr was awake,walked out of the room.Did he walk out,because others were there to talk to in living room?I think this is coming to more info since this came out today.
OMG she said Junior was awake? Where did I miss this story?
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:10 PM
I think the door was simply propped open because someone was carrying stuff out to a car.
maybe if that someone was misty, but i don't think the cousin would bother if misty had let him in and known he was there.
i think he might have if he sneaked in and out while she was sleeping, though.
Wise Old Owl
02-20-2009, 07:10 PM
Oh yea and remember today gma was asked about what Jr. is saying and she wouldn't discuss it? I thought that was a very telling statement - plus the family knows what he is saying too - not just LE - he is a lil kid and he talks to whoever is there - especially mommy and/or daddy.
winterrose
02-20-2009, 07:11 PM
maybe ron has calmed down and realized that it's not worth throwing his life away to get revenge? maybe ron isn't sure that this guy took her?
Can you imagine,the not knowing and not knowing what your child is going through or even if she's alive?How devastating,I think LE has got themselves a lion about to rage,maybe why he couldn't go on search today.Which means all he has to do is think today.I also think if he knew,there wouldn't be a person that LE would be questioning today.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:12 PM
OMG she said Junior was awake? Where did I miss this story?
some article said this yesterday or the day before. who knows if it is accurate.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 07:13 PM
maybe if that someone was misty, but i don't think the cousin would bother if misty had let him in and known he was there.
i think he might have if he sneaked in and out while she was sleeping, though.
My thought is that he might be who helped Misty dispose of Haleigh and they were taking things to the car and propped the door open because it was eaiser.
Seahorseladydi
02-20-2009, 07:19 PM
I honestly don't know what to think anymore.....
My brain is frazzled...... and my heart is hurting for this family and their beautiful little girl.....
Nonni Brenda
02-20-2009, 07:19 PM
Maybe thats why he's having a bad day. He knows he cant go anywhere. LE would be all over him. I would like to know what effect this is having on Misty and her family seeing as though she has started an internal family drama here badmouthing her cousin, one of his parents is undoubetedly the brother or sister of one of Mistys parents.
Or maybe yesterday, they brought them into the station to let them know he had been cleared. Remember the trailer is still being held by LE, and today, LE said they didnt want to embarrass anyone. Why the heck would they say that instead of saying "we arent gonna comment about that " like they have everything else
I dont understand some of LE's tactics, actions. They sure are handling theis investigation differently from those in the Caylee case. In that case, we would have know all the details much sooner.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:19 PM
After the presser today where LE says they do not want to embarrass any family members, I took that as if this guy has nothing to do with it at all..
If he were there, he could have told them how Misty was acting and how the children were acting..
Yes, and maybe he told them Misty left the trailer, and other things Ron didnt know, that's why Misty is at home, not in the tent with Ron. Also goes to Ron's bad day
mydailyopinions
02-20-2009, 07:20 PM
My thought is that he might be who helped Misty dispose of Haleigh and they were taking things to the car and propped the door open because it was eaiser.
Possibly, and we are hearing of it now because she wants to throw him under the bus first to make herself look innocent.
I don't know though..I just don't think he had anything to do with it. LE said they didn't want to embarrass any family members? UH? They didn't say they didn't want to falsely accuse someone, they said embarrass? Obviously they don't think this guy had anything to do with it either..
I still wonder why she went home today!
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 07:21 PM
Yes, and maybe he told them Misty left the trailer, and other things Ron didnt know, that's why Misty is at home, not in the tent with Ron. Also goes to Ron's bad day
I agree.......
mydailyopinions
02-20-2009, 07:25 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html
Seems as if Misty's mother has had enough. Misty doesn't seem to care one way or another. I'm sorry, but if she felt like this cousin had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh, she would answer the questions..What does she mean that she is not going to put that out on TV? She already has! Defiance is all I am seeing in Misty.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:26 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx
This is the interview where she says Jr was up, but she was "over exhausted" and he got up, left the room, but she was soooo tired, she went to sleep. Nice.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:29 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html
Seems as if Misty's mother has had enough. Misty doesn't seem to care one way or another. I'm sorry, but if she felt like this cousin had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh, she would answer the questions..What does she mean that she is not going to put that out on TV? She already has! Defiance is all I am seeing in Misty.
Yes, and it goes back to an earlier post I made about what the heck is going on in MISTY'S moms house. These people are family, and Ill bet Joes Mom and Dad arent very happy Misty drug him into this if he is truly not involved.....
mydailyopinions
02-20-2009, 07:29 PM
http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx
This is the interview where she says Jr was up, but she was "over exhausted" and he got up, left the room, but she was soooo tired, she went to sleep. Nice.
Thank you kellync!
Omg..
I just don't understand.. This girl is so defiant..
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:30 PM
some article said this yesterday or the day before. who knows if it is accurate.
http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx
straight from the horses mouth
I know I can't post links and screen shots. I hope this is okay to post!!!
wH^at u expect from a (C)razy (R)utH^less (I)nsane (P)istol Slanga?? yall sH^oulda known...a ni52a not perfect cuzz"
This is the cousins headline. Not MC cousin but his friend I think another cousin??
The REASON I am posting is because this saying really strikes me as suspicious. If I had to interpret it.
"What do all you people expect from this out of control dangerous person - YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!!! Then talking to his/her COUSIN???
Am I imagining this but it sounds like it is a criptic message. I posted it earlier but it was with the link. I am posting it this time without a link. And now since it is in the media about the cousin being suspect I thought this would be okay to post??? I dont want to break the rules.
Egoslayer
02-20-2009, 07:32 PM
JVM saying the cousin got in a fight with Ron C. the night before Haleigh went missing.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:33 PM
I know I can't post links and screen shots. I hope this is okay to post!!!
This is the cousins headline.
The REASON I am posting is because this saying really strikes me as suspicious. If I had to interpret it.
"What do all you people expect from this out of control dangerous person - YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!!! Then talking to his/her COUSIN???
Am I imagining this but it sounds like it is a criptic message. I posted it earlier but it was with the link. I am posting it this time without a link. And now since it is in the media about the cousin being suspect I thought this would be okay to post??? I dont want to break the rules.
The letter of each first word spells "crip" something tells me even crips would be embarrassed to be associated with these people
The letter of each first word spells "crip" something tells me even crips would be embarrassed to be associated with these people
Yes, I brought that up earlier before my post was deleted b/c it had a link. But I am really to curious to know what everyone thinks? His last login was the 19th of Feb. So after Haleigh went missing.
Something inside of me feels panickstricken over this... I had to leave to go to dinner and my BB died and this is all I could think of. It just seems like a WARNING or an I TOLD YOU SO. Something is not right about it. I wonder if LE have seen it?
Egoslayer
02-20-2009, 07:36 PM
Everyone on JVM is saying they dont know if he's a sexual predator because they dont know his full name. How do they have so little information? I've checked him out, he's clean according to the sex offender registry. NG & JVM are disappointing me by the minute.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:37 PM
Yes, I brought that up earlier before my post was deleted b/c it had a link. But I am really to curious to know what everyone thinks? His last login was the 19th of Feb. So after Haleigh went missing.
I think it is a thug with a limited vocabulary trying to figure out what few words he knows that spell out- crip
But thats only my thought.
I think it is a thug with a limited vocabulary trying to figure out what few words he knows that spell out- crip
But thats only my thought.
But what about this part:
yall sH^oulda known...a ni52a not perfect cuzz"
This part has nothing to do with the crips.
passionflower
02-20-2009, 07:39 PM
On JVM , Misty's cousin name is JOE.
He was there the day before, with a friend?
No one trusts him, but allowed him in the house?
Why didn't they tell that 10 days ago?
Joe and Ron had a fight over gun?
Gun found in ditch.........finger prints?
Misty questioned for 5 hours today..........
Now in TN.......
Egoslayer
02-20-2009, 07:40 PM
But what about this part:
This part has nothing to do with the crips.
I think you're reading too much into it. Just sounds like tough-talking to me. I thought "cuzz" was "because" not "cousin".
Egoslayer
02-20-2009, 07:41 PM
On JVM , Misty's cousin name is JOE.
He was there the day before, with a friend?
No one trusts him, but allowed him in the house?
Why didn't they tell that 10 days ago?
Joe and Ron had a fight over gun?
Gun found in ditch.........finger prints?
Misty questioned for 5 hours today..........
Now in TN.......
IMO we don't know what misty told the cops. Just because it wasnt on the news doesnt mean she didnt tell the cops.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 07:42 PM
Wow 5 more hours for Misty today???????????
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:42 PM
But what about this part:
This part has nothing to do with the crips.
Well, I personally dont think he would admit anything dealing with Haleighs disappearance on myspace, but what do I know.
The police and so many other agencies are ALL over this case, I would think he cant be this stupid, but what do you think????
I think you're reading too much into it. Just sounds like tough-talking to me. I thought "cuzz" was "because" not "cousin".
When you read the comments. They call one another "Cuz" - Sure it could be used both ways ;) I just don't know I don't have a good feeling about it. These gangsters wanna be or whatever you want to call them are "showoffs" and I could see one of his friends writing that. Also, I think this person is also a Cousin but not sure.
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:44 PM
But what about this part:
This part has nothing to do with the crips.
i guess it all depends on how long this heading has been there. it does seem ominous, but it could have been there for months too.
Well, I personally dont think he would admit anything dealing with Haleighs disappearance on myspace, but what do I know.
The police and so many other agencies are ALL over this case, I would think he cant be this stupid, but what do you think????
It isn't the suspected cousin. It is his friend or other cousin that was a friend on his page. So, I could see his Friend/Cousin being a little gangster person being showy about it.
i guess it all depends on how long this heading has been there. it does seem ominous, but it could have been there for months too.
True. But Last login was Feb 19th.
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 07:46 PM
In this article it states that Misty suspected the cousin and even told authorities from day 1. I do remember reading about the cousin tip awhile ago. I do not know if this was the actual article I first read it in. It has been updated today but it doesn't state when it was originally posted.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back
Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.
The cousin had visited the mobile home she shared with Cummings but was told not to come back when a gun in the house turned up missing around the same time, she said.
Do you think it is possible they didn't alert the media is because they were going to try to secretly track the cousin - in the sense that if he does have Hayleigh they would be able to surprise him VS him doing something rash to her???
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:47 PM
True. But Last login was Feb 19th.
i doubt he changes it every time he logs on, though. especially something that sweet. you'd want to keep that up there for a while. probably some of his very own "lryics".
mydailyopinions
02-20-2009, 07:48 PM
Wow 5 more hours for Misty today???????????
:waitasec:
5 more hours....
I have a feeling it will be 5 hours a day from now on..
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 07:48 PM
In this article it states that Misty suspected the cousin and even told authorities from day 1. I do remember reading about the cousin tip awhile ago. I do not know if this was the actual article I first read it in. It has been updated today but it doesn't state when it was originally posted.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back
I have a problem believing anything Misty says at this point. I think LE does too, how many polygraph's has she had now?
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 07:49 PM
i guess it all depends on how long this heading has been there. it does seem ominous, but it could have been there for months too.
The myspace you are referring to was last updated 2/17/09 at 1pm
So it has been there at least 2 days.
natsound
02-20-2009, 07:49 PM
So LE has questioned the cousin in TN and nothing has come of it?
Do we know what has prompted the new search near the home that WFTV has the video of?
Lovejac
02-20-2009, 07:50 PM
MySpace for cousin "Joe". Sorry if this has already been posted.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970
catch_22
02-20-2009, 07:50 PM
In this article it states that Misty suspected the cousin and even told authorities from day 1. I do remember reading about the cousin tip awhile ago. I do not know if this was the actual article I first read it in. It has been updated today but it doesn't state when it was originally posted.
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back
i first heard about this cousin on geraldo last weekend sometime.
Littleone48
02-20-2009, 07:50 PM
Thinking...in the 911 call Ron almost sounded like he knew who took her...
Maybe the fight did happen, maybe there were threats then and maybe Ron knew that he had come to the house that day. Heck it even could've been before he went to work.
I am thinking that when the status was changed from "missing" to "endangered" this is when LE found out about the cousin. They are not saying anything and we are only guessing.
I don't think Misty or Ron had anything to do with this. It may be the type of lifestyle they live or the "relatives" they are forced to have.
On JVM Lisa Bloom thinks Misty is 100% forthcoming and doesn't feel that she had anything to do with this.
natsound
02-20-2009, 07:54 PM
Thinking...in the 911 call Ron almost sounded like he knew who took her...
Maybe the fight did happen, maybe there were threats then and maybe Ron knew that he had come to the house that day. Heck it even could've been before he went to work.
I am thinking that when the status was changed from "missing" to "endangered" this is when LE found out about the cousin. They are not saying anything and we are only guessing.
I don't think Misty or Ron had anything to do with this. It may be the type of lifestyle they live or the "relatives" they are forced to have.
On JVM Lisa Bloom thinks Misty is 100% forthcoming and doesn't feel that she had anything to do with this.
I don't think MC had anything to do with it either.
I think if Ron had a feeling the cousin was the culprit, he would have been in TN in 15 minutes.
i doubt he changes it every time he logs on, though. especially something that sweet. you'd want to keep that up there for a while. probably some of his very own "lryics".
Catch, someone else posted it was updated on the 17th. It is usually these headlines that the younger crowds update the most often. Just my take on it. I could be wrong. But this is bothering me and I never get over emotional on these threads but this is just killing me wondering.
I don't think MC had anything to do with it either.
I think if Ron had a feeling the cousin was the culprit, he would have been in TN in 15 minutes.
I agree!!! MC had nothing to do with it. I don't think LE would have let Ron go. They would have told him that he could ruin the chances of bringing Hayleigh home safely and if he loved his little girl to stay put and let LE handle it.
kellync
02-20-2009, 07:56 PM
It isn't the suspected cousin. It is his friend or other cousin that was a friend on his page. So, I could see his Friend/Cousin being a little gangster person being showy about it.
I knew he wasnt the suspect, I should have typed my response more clearly. I just dont see anyone that may be connected posting headlines relating to this case on myspace. I do see one of these idiots stepping up and trying to claim reward money, but not myspacing about it JMO.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 08:01 PM
I knew he wasnt the suspect, I should have typed my response more clearly. I just dont see anyone that may be connected posting headlines relating to this case on myspace. I do see one of these idiots stepping up and trying to claim reward money, but not myspacing about it JMO.
Kids enjoying attention...tho they may get more that they want. Can you say FBI?
kellync
02-20-2009, 08:02 PM
Thinking...in the 911 call Ron almost sounded like he knew who took her...
Maybe the fight did happen, maybe there were threats then and maybe Ron knew that he had come to the house that day. Heck it even could've been before he went to work.
I am thinking that when the status was changed from "missing" to "endangered" this is when LE found out about the cousin. They are not saying anything and we are only guessing.
I don't think Misty or Ron had anything to do with this. It may be the type of lifestyle they live or the "relatives" they are forced to have.
On JVM Lisa Bloom thinks Misty is 100% forthcoming and doesn't feel that she had anything to do with this.
My bold. That may be true. I can see that.....
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 08:10 PM
i first heard about this cousin on geraldo last weekend sometime.
Maybe that is where I first heard about the cousin. I have watched and read so much I can't even remember when I first heard about it.
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 08:32 PM
The letter of each first word spells "crip" something tells me even crips would be embarrassed to be associated with these people
OMG that was the first belly laugh I've had since Haleigh went missing!
Tom'sGirl
02-20-2009, 08:41 PM
This thread is about the alleged cousin who came to visit, no one else.
CeeKer
02-20-2009, 08:42 PM
This thread is about the alleged cousin who came to visit, no one else.
Sorry I think I posted on the wrong thread by accident. Trying to delete my post as I type!
cajun
02-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Missing Girl’s Grandmother Talks About Suspicious Circumstances
Last Update: 7:09 pm
SATSUMA, Fla. --- Teresa Neves was practically in tears talking to us about a man who was in town the day Haleigh Cummings disappeared
“It’s not like he walked up with a sign and said hey, you know, I’m a cousin who’s done this and this and this…my son would have beat him through the door…we just wouldn’t let people like that around our grandchildren,” said Teresa Neves.
Neves is talking about Misty Croslin’s cousin. Misty is the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh Cumming’s father Ronald Cummings. She said the man came to visit Misty’s family a few weeks before Haleigh disappeared. During that time, Neves said the man stole a gun from Cummings’ home. That gun was taken back when Neves said her son confronted the man about taking the weapon.
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx
Missing Girl’s Grandmother Talks About Suspicious Circumstances
Last Update: 7:09 pm
SATSUMA, Fla. --- Teresa Neves was practically in tears talking to us about a man who was in town the day Haleigh Cummings disappeared
“It’s not like he walked up with a sign and said hey, you know, I’m a cousin who’s done this and this and this…my son would have beat him through the door…we just wouldn’t let people like that around our grandchildren,” said Teresa Neves.
Neves is talking about Misty Croslin’s cousin. Misty is the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh Cumming’s father Ronald Cummings. She said the man came to visit Misty’s family a few weeks before Haleigh disappeared. During that time, Neves said the man stole a gun from Cummings’ home. That gun was taken back when Neves said her son confronted the man about taking the weapon.
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx
Wow :eek: Well that would make sense about the guns considering cousin has pics of himself with guns on the internet.
kiki the parrot
02-20-2009, 09:06 PM
If he was there a couple weeks prior, maybe instead of or along w a gun, he stole a key...? JMO
:parrot:
CajunGirl
02-20-2009, 09:11 PM
just to clear up the term "cuzz" or "cuz" in the way that this guy used it....
cuzz is like saying...homie or bruh or "other" slang terms...
its a VERY common term here...
3dogmom
02-20-2009, 09:11 PM
If he was there a couple weeks prior, maybe instead of or along w a gun, he stole a key...? JMO
:parrot:
Ding Ding! Maybe he originally stole a key so he could steal the gun?
All I can think of is I hope the FEDS have everything on this guy, where he has been, what he has been doing because I think he is HIGHLY suspicious. And I know you can't call someone a SO until they have been convicted but that doesn't mean they aren't capable.
Ah ha - a key! Good thinking!
kellync
02-20-2009, 09:16 PM
Ding Ding! Maybe he originally stole a key so he could steal the gun?
I dont usually say I dont remember where I saw it in this case because I posted on day one, and have basically glued myself to computer ever since, but I remember somewhere that it was said that Ron had the only key. Your post made a light bulb go off......Maybe Misty really did prop the back door open if she didnt have a key....Just puttin it out there....I'll look and see where I heard that...
ElementaryDearWatson
02-20-2009, 09:22 PM
I dont usually say I dont remember where I saw it in this case because I posted on day one, and have basically glued myself to computer ever since, but I remember somewhere that it was said that Ron had the only key. Your post made a light bulb go off......Maybe Misty really did prop the back door open if she didnt have a key....Just puttin it out there....I'll look and see where I heard that...
Why would she need to prop the door open? Wouldn't she just leave it unlocked?
Tom'sGirl
02-20-2009, 09:23 PM
just to clear up the term "cuzz" or "cuz" in the way that this guy used it....
cuzz is like saying...homie or bruh or "other" slang terms...
its a VERY common term here...
Yes, it's common all over MySpace posts everywhere, that along with calling everyone your "Bro" :)
shadow of my mind
02-20-2009, 09:25 PM
So Misty was stringing different stories about this guy together to make one big one. We now know that this guy boosted one of Ron's guns and it was not just the day prior to Haleigh going missing as we had been led to believe. Then Ron confronted him and took the gun back. That also was just not the day prior to Haleigh going missing. But he did leave town the same day Haleigh disappeared, right?. Now the fight sounds like it may have been more verbal that anything else but I guess we will have to wait on those details.
We still have the gun in a ditch part to parse out yet. Hmm I wonder what this is all about.
Sarcasm on>Maybe Ron kicked his butt down the street and he fell backwards into a ditch holding Ron’s stolen gun.<sarcasm off
This goes back to how Misty takes a bunch of different events and runs them all together just like the ‘blanket’ story that she told.
So it sound as though Misty pointed the finger at this guy as maybe having Haleigh but if ...a big IF he did, it sounds as though he no longer does. Then who would he give her to..if he had her in the first place.
It also sounds possible LE doesn’t feel that this cousin even took Haleigh to begin with. So then why did Haleigh bring him up at all?
I’m confusidated I am.
Yes, it's common all over MySpace posts everywhere, that along with calling everyone your "Bro" :)
Yes, I understand what you are saying :) Joe was later referenced that way elsewhere.
SeriouslySearching
02-20-2009, 09:28 PM
However, to throw another wrench into things...I just saw on NG where either TN or her daughter confirmed the gun was found in the ditch. So it wasn't "returned" exactly.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 09:30 PM
However, to throw another wrench into things...I just saw on NG where either TN or her daughter confirmed the gun was found in the ditch. So it wasn't "returned" exactly.
So Ron lied when he said there was no gun or fight or ....however he said it. Interesting.
Nikki777
02-20-2009, 09:31 PM
So Misty was stringing different stories about this guy together to make one big one. We now know that this guy boosted one of Ron's guns and it was not just the day prior to Haleigh going missing as we had been led to believe. Then Ron confronted him and took the gun back. That also was just not the day prior to Haleigh going missing. But he did leave town the same day Haleigh disappeared, right?. Now the fight sounds like it may have been more verbal that anything else but I guess we will have to wait on those details.
We still have the gun in a ditch part to parse out yet. Hmm I wonder what this is all about.
Sarcasm on>Maybe Ron kicked his butt down the street and he fell backwards into a ditch holding Ron’s stolen gun.<sarcasm off
This goes back to how Misty takes a bunch of different events and runs them all together just like the ‘blanket’ story that she told.
So it sound as though Misty pointed the finger at this guy as maybe having Haleigh but if ...a big IF he did, it sounds as though he no longer does. Then who would he give her to..if he had her in the first place.
It also sounds possible LE doesn’t feel that this cousin even took Haleigh to begin with. So then why did Haleigh bring him up at all?
I’m confusidated I am.
~Sarcasm~
I needed a good laugh!!!!
Now who wants to help clean the bloody mary off my laptop????
kellync
02-20-2009, 09:32 PM
Why would she need to prop the door open? Wouldn't she just leave it unlocked?
Yep, elementary my dear watson....ha! My mind is on overdrive
kiki the parrot
02-20-2009, 09:34 PM
I dont usually say I dont remember where I saw it in this case because I posted on day one, and have basically glued myself to computer ever since, but I remember somewhere that it was said that Ron had the only key. Your post made a light bulb go off......Maybe Misty really did prop the back door open if she didnt have a key....Just puttin it out there....I'll look and see where I heard that...
Yes this is how I began Theories thread-please see post #27. Not specifically re cousin yet then, still many of my questions continue to surround keys. Can now simply insert cousin in place of where bro appears in Theories post.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3327971#post3327971
:parrot:
PattyCake
02-20-2009, 09:34 PM
So Ron lied when he said there was no gun or fight or ....however he said it. Interesting.
I was thinking he had / has something to hide by trying to tell the media to 'quit' looking into his life. Not saying he did anything to Haleigh but he might be hiding something that will not make for a good ending all around.
tehcloser
02-20-2009, 09:36 PM
I was thinking he had / has something to hide by trying to tell the media to 'quit' looking into his life. Not saying he did anything to Haleigh but he might be hiding something that will not make for a good ending all around.
I concur......
concentric
02-20-2009, 09:38 PM
I was thinking he had / has something to hide by trying to tell the media to 'quit' looking into his life. Not saying he did anything to Haleigh but he might be hiding something that will not make for a good ending all around.
For real. What's the diff' if he desperately wants to find his daughter. Why should he be defensive about this gun incident. Anything in his life needs to be explored. Finding his daughter should trump his getting into trouble with the law regarding the gun incident.
kellync
02-20-2009, 09:53 PM
Yes this is how I began Theories thread-please see post #27. Not specifically re cousin yet then, still many of my questions continue to surround keys. JMO
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3327971#post3327971
:parrot:
Yes, thanks, there was a thought in my head that I couldn't articulate, and the keys and how many of them were floating around was swimming in there somewhere, but sometimes, I type before I think it out. Kiki, #1, is that your parrot? It is gorgeous, and #2, the theories that you obviously put a great deal of thought into are plausible. There is a reason the back door was propped open...
I thought that maybe Misty was somewhere behind the trailer so that she could see if Ron came down the road and could run back in, and the searches behind the trailer lately have my dander up..
Then, I go back to someone who came in and knew they would be carrying someone out that door and propped it open for ease of egress...
LE has the answers, I know they do, they have to prove it...That, to me is why the trailer is being held, they tried to say in not so many words that the RSO is not a suspect, and that they dont want to embarrass anyone, but have interviewed everyone in Mistys family. I think they know it, but cant prove it...yet...
winterrose
02-20-2009, 09:59 PM
If he asked her to use the vehicle while RC was at work or drive her to say,Walmart where you can make a copy of a key in minutes.He could have gotten a copy easily or picked the keys up,left,made the copy and came back,if she didn't realize key was gone.Too many people hang keys and copies of keys on a key holder next to door.
Kimster
02-20-2009, 10:42 PM
I'm not convinced that this cousin isn't MC's scapegoat...sorry... This just doesn't add up for me at all. But then, I'm not an expert in math, either!
winterrose
02-20-2009, 10:46 PM
Pics of Easter,I found on his sister's myspace of him,MC and his sister,they look pretty close.
kellync
02-20-2009, 10:51 PM
I'm not convinced that this cousin isn't MC's scapegoat...sorry... This just doesn't add up for me at all. But then, I'm not an expert in math, either!
scapegoat:
scape⋅goat
/ˈskeɪpˌgoʊt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) [skeyp-goht] Show IPA Pronunciation http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html)
–noun 1.a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.
I think that covers it..........................
panthera
02-20-2009, 10:55 PM
However, to throw another wrench into things...I just saw on NG where either TN or her daughter confirmed the gun was found in the ditch. So it wasn't "returned" exactly.
I heard that too. So, why would the cousin steal it and then throw it away? And when did he throw it away? :waitasec:
concentric
02-20-2009, 11:12 PM
Why would this cousin want to take this child to TN? If he took the child in retalation, now he has a child to care for, feed, cloth, get medical help for, or to dispose of permanently. That brings in the FBI and the DP. Why would he want all that? Just wait for RC and pay him back!
All I can see is three things
#1...a neglect/accident/ rage killing by 'close to the child' individual and subsequent disposal.
#2...Bio mom takes child back from ubfair custody (not very likely)
#3...SO abduction.
Who else would want this child?
Agree and posted same, although not all together. That about sums it up.
CatchingClues
02-20-2009, 11:16 PM
If that was the case I can't see her throwing suspicion on her own family. She brought the cousin into this, so that makes no sense to me.
And, it's been said, Misty got involved with Ron by telling him his alleged other child might be in a bad environment. Which means she risked her babysitting job because she though the welfare of the child was more important than her job.
That being said, I believe somehow Misty is the keystone here.
So, let's say Misty tells Ron his other child is in danger and there's trouble for the mother. Plus it gets the other woman out of the way so Misty can have Ron. Then the mother gets back at her by taking Haleigh while she's under Misty's care. Have they checked this theory out?
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