Other Agencies Pulled Back into Search-

[pirate]

From my local paper:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Flagler/flaFLAG01022009.htm

Flagler County helps in search for missing girl

By HEATHER SCOFIELD
Staff Writer

Flagler County officials will send a team to Putnam County today to aid the search for a missing 5-year-old girl.

Special operations deputies from the Flagler County Sheriff's Office, several Flagler County firefighters and officials from Flagler's Emergency Operations Center were called to help look for Haleigh Cummings, officials said Thursday.

Local officials have been helping in the search and investigation periodically since the girl disappeared Feb. 10, sheriff's Maj. Steve Clair said.

Flagler officials said Thursday they believe new information may have surfaced in the case of the missing girl, prompting officials to resume search efforts that were abandoned earlier in the week.
Haleigh vanished from her father's double-wide mobile home outside Satsuma, about 10 miles south of Palatka. Putnam County sheriff's officials said $16,000 in rewards have been offered to help find the girl.

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The part I bolded is interesting. I hope this is correct.

[tehcloser]

Sounds like they have new info telling them where to look? I hope so!!!!!! Thanks Pirate!

[supergirl]

I pray today they can find this sweetgirl. Still hoping for a good outcome.....hoping,praying,wishing.

[momtective]

My first thought... Loucakis is talking. If that's the case, this probably isn't going to have a good outcome. :(

[Beyond Belief]

My thoughts also. Unless they have come up with something from abandoned vehicle or that lean to shelder.

Its 37 degrees in Satsuma this morning. I hope this is resolved soon for the sake of all those involved.

[momtective]

My thoughts also. Unless they have come up with something from abandoned vehicle or that lean to shelder.

Its 37 degrees in Satsuma this morning. I hope this is resolved soon for the sake of all those involved.

I can only imagine Ron's reaction if it turns out to be Loucakis. Danm, my heart just breaks for Ron.

[tehcloser]

I can only imagine Ron's reaction if it turns out to be Loucakis. Danm, my heart just breaks for Ron.

They also had Misty in again yesterday...so it could be info from her.

ETA...They were also polygraphs again yesterday.

[MADJGNLAW]

As I was listening in on one of the talk shows last night I heard a reporter say that the car that was taken into custody was RAV4? Something like that. Red flag alert..in my brain, because the person who said they saw Haleigh in TN said they saw her in a red RAV, or did I read that wrong? I heard it last night on NG or Issues with JVM. Anyone else catch that?

[tehcloser]

As I was listening in on one of the talk shows last night I heard a reporter say that the car that was taken into custody was RAV4? Something like that. Red flag alert..in my brain, because the person who said they saw Haleigh in TN said they saw her in a red RAV, or did I read that wrong? I heard it last night on NG or Issues with JVM. Anyone else catch that?

Yes, but that's the only place you will hear it. And it was not elaborated on. Just typical NG...she does so good sometimes...and others...well..............:crazy:

[CeeKer]

As I was listening in on one of the talk shows last night I heard a reporter say that the car that was taken into custody was RAV4? Something like that. Red flag alert..in my brain, because the person who said they saw Haleigh in TN said they saw her in a red RAV, or did I read that wrong? I heard it last night on NG or Issues with JVM. Anyone else catch that?

I thought I read in at least one article that the car in TN was a red RAV. And I also heard or read somewhere that the car in custody was a red RAV4. But with LE so tight lipped and the way the media sometimes gets the facts wrong, I don't know how much credence to put to it!

[Beyond Belief]

I's like to know who the registered owner was of that Rav4 they found.

[catch_22]

i think the reporter asked LE *IF* the siezed vehicle was a rav4. LE wouldn't comment.

[MomPI]

Did anyone hear Matt Lauer's interview with Misty this morning on the today show? I missed it, but heard him say "well that's an interesting comment....." What did I miss???

[elle1919]

Did anyone hear Matt Lauer's interview with Misty this morning on the today show? I missed it, but heard him say "well that's an interesting comment....." What did I miss???

huh? The today show just started here in Alabama...

[pirate]

Elle, it started here an hour ago and the Misty interview was around 7:20 ET.

But the interview was not live- it was still dark when they recorded the interview but it was already light here when it showed.

[MomPI]

The interview was just after the 1st half hour (here on the east coast, sometime after 7:30). Let us know if you watch it and what was said!

[Kat]

They also had Misty in again yesterday...so it could be info from her.

ETA...They were also polygraphs again yesterday.

Yup at this point it could have been the RSO they arrested or it could have been Misty that gave new info.

I'm leaning towards Misty because I can't let my mind go to the RSO having Haleigh and what he would have done to her ...yet :(

[tehcloser]

Yup at this point it could have been the RSO they arrested or it could have been Misty that gave new info.

I'm leaning towards Misty because I can't let my mind go to the RSO having Haleigh and what he would have done to her ...yet :(

I can't go with the RSO because there are so many things out there with LE saying he is not involved. But they will NOT say Misty is not ....KWIM?

[Kat]

I can't go with the RSO because there are so many things out there with LE saying he is not involved. But they will NOT say Misty is not ....KWIM?

I sure do Know what you mean. Misty is on my radar as a big strong bright blip.

[kikid]

Yup at this point it could have been the RSO they arrested or it could have been Misty that gave new info.

I'm leaning towards Misty because I can't let my mind go to the RSO having Haleigh and what he would have done to her ...yet :(

I hear you its almost easier to think of it being a really really bad accident or something at home than of a stranger taking her and doing terrible things to her. Either way its heartbreaking though.

[shadow of my mind]

Yesterday LE said they would be searching around the 'area' that Loucakis was found to be in when he broke his probation just as a precaution. They didn't even hint as to where that was.
I guess since they didn't get this help until today and he was arrested yesterday at around noon that that they hopefully didn't wait until today to start searching that particular area and they have since came up with another place to look.
If they have their own people already busy and they received new info they may have just needed this group from Flagler to help them so they can keep searches going in both places.

[jaimie43]

Ok I recorded the matt lauer interview which it seems was taped before daylight this morning. He asked her about the TN sighting saying "We now know that you have a relative in TN and he has been questioned by the police.Do you think he had anything to do with the dissappearance of Haleigh?". MC replys "I really dont know-I dont know if he had anything to with it or not".Matt L. says "Thats an interesting way to answer the question...I think a lot of people might say Im sure he had nothing to with it-Youre really not sure?" MC replys "Im not quite sure at all-no"

MC seems quite different now from previous interviews. Much more defiant IMO...

[SeriouslySearching]

It would make sense, Shadow. If it were MC talking, she would still be in custody. I haven't heard of this happening yet.

It is curious about L. tho and where he was when he was supposed to be at home.

[tehcloser]

Ok I recorded the matt lauer interview which it seems was taped before daylight this morning. He asked her about the TN sighting saying "We now know that you have a relative in TN and he has been questioned by the police.Do you think he had anything to do with the dissappearance of Haleigh?". MC replys "I really dont know-I dont know if he had anything to with it or not".Matt L. says "Thats an interesting way to answer the question...I think a lot of people might say Im sure he had nothing to with it-Youre really not sure?" MC replys "Im not quite sure at all-no"

MC seems quite different now from previous interviews. Much more defiant IMO...


She was different in that one.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Jaimie! (And a late Welcome to WS!)

We noticed that "sashay" she had yesterday. It was certainly different than before when she was around Ron. Defiant, huh? (I haven't seen the interview yet.)

[jaimie43]

She was different in that one.

Maybe we're seeing the "real" MC now???? If so-its a far cry from the pitiful little girl we've been seeing....

[ksgirl78]

I can't go with the RSO because there are so many things out there with LE saying he is not involved. But they will NOT say Misty is not ....KWIM?

ITA, and I too think that Misty seemed different in the interview this morning with ML!

I also noticed at the end of the interview when ML asked Teresa if she thought Haleigh was still alive, this may not be an exact quote, and she said yes and Misty was shaking her head yes but she seemed to shift her eyes. I would have to watch it again to be totally sure of that!

[AuburnJenn]

Maybe she's trying to divert attention/shift the blame to someone else to get the attention off her? Maybe she thinks that cousin (and it's Brandon isn't it?) is involved.

Who knows...this case frustrates me to no end. I find it unbelievable that no one in this clan can get their stories straight, tells weird tales and flat-out lies when a little girl is missing! Grrrr....

[Aries72]

Here's video of the Today Show interview....

Girlfriend of Haleigh's dad sticks to story

Feb. 20: TODAY's Matt Lauer talks to the grandmother of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, Teresa Neves, and Haleigh's father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, about the search for the little girl.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29298458#29298458

[TxLady2]

Did they give Misty another LDT yesterday? If so, then that makes 3 she's taken and it suggests to me that the first two tests were inconclusive. So her statement that they told her she passed the first two, was either to make her feel comfortable enough so that she would relax and let something slip, or they didn't tell her anything about the results the first two times. She didn't look too happy when they were putting her into the detectives' car to take her in for questioning. Methinks they are really putting some pressure on her at this point.

[Amster]

So....MC says the relative is someone who is a criminal and is not someone she trusts, at all. Yet...he was visiting her the week before HC disappeared??

I don't trust anything MC says...

[AuburnJenn]

I don't trust anything MC says.

Unfortunately, I don't trust anything any of these folks say anymore. It's such a shame - I am not sure what they are trying to hide, who they are trying to protect, but it is such a red flag to me that everyone is having such a hard time telling the truth.

[catch_22]

So....MC says the relative is someone who is a criminal and is not someone she trusts, at all. Yet...he was visiting her the week before HC disappeared??

I don't trust anything MC says...

i see what you're saying, but maybe he was visiting others in misty's family that live nearby so he was "around".

misty very well might be trying to get the spotlight off of herself, though.

[Indigo]

Unfortunately, I don't trust anything any of these folks say anymore. It's such a shame - I am not sure what they are trying to hide, who they are trying to protect, but it is such a red flag to me that everyone is having such a hard time telling the truth.

This is when it comes down to human nature. Which person is more likely to cover for the other? Personally, I don't believe Ron would cover for anybody. It's very clear that he has a fierce temper and his continued acceptance of Misty's story changes isn't making any sense at all. Anyone would be livid with her by now. Why isn't he?

[tehcloser]

So if they brought these othere people in to search today....Why haven't we heard anything about search teams searching?

[SeriouslySearching]

I am wondering the same thing, Teh. Where are they searching and why isn't the media covering it?!

[catch_22]

This is when it comes down to human nature. Which person is more likely to cover for the other? Personally, I don't believe Ron would cover for anybody. It's very clear that he has a fierce temper and his continued acceptance of Misty's story changes isn't making any sense at all. Anyone would be livid with her by now. Why isn't he?

i guess he either believes her or they're in this together......

[LFlorida]

From my local paper:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Flagler/flaFLAG01022009.htm

Flagler County helps in search for missing girl

By HEATHER SCOFIELD
Staff Writer

Flagler County officials will send a team to Putnam County today to aid the search for a missing 5-year-old girl.

Special operations deputies from the Flagler County Sheriff's Office, several Flagler County firefighters and officials from Flagler's Emergency Operations Center were called to help look for Haleigh Cummings, officials said Thursday.

Local officials have been helping in the search and investigation periodically since the girl disappeared Feb. 10, sheriff's Maj. Steve Clair said.

Flagler officials said Thursday they believe new information may have surfaced in the case of the missing girl, prompting officials to resume search efforts that were abandoned earlier in the week.
Haleigh vanished from her father's double-wide mobile home outside Satsuma, about 10 miles south of Palatka. Putnam County sheriff's officials said $16,000 in rewards have been offered to help find the girl.

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The part I bolded is interesting. I hope this is correct.

Thank you for posting this, Pirate. I'm down the road in Palatka and hadn't heard a thing about it. My computer was hung up with some kind of malware so I have missed quite a bit, it seems. Will check w/friend who works w/Putnam County for new scuttlebutt.

[Nedthan Johns]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-croslin-today-show-022009,0,7668823.story?track=rss

I read the story above, haven't watched the video yet, but am more convinced then ever it was the cousin now. Is his first name Brandon? Do we have a last name.

[Nedthan Johns]

I also continue my support of Misty and her story. I don't believe she left the house that night. A pedophile has this child.

[AuburnJenn]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-croslin-today-show-022009,0,7668823.story?track=rss

I read the story above, haven't watched the video yet, but am more convinced then ever it was the cousin now. Is his first name Brandon? Do we have a last name.

I believe it is Overstreet. His myspace page has been posted several times somewhere around here. The page is "interesting" to say the least. Lots of weed, booze, partying.

[MvD]

I am wondering the same thing, Teh. Where are they searching and why isn't the media covering it?!

I got so wrapped up in the latest document dump that apparently I missed a ton of stuff... I thought TES was searching there ? what happened to their search?

[LFlorida]

Thank you for posting this, Pirate. I'm down the road in Palatka and hadn't heard a thing about it. My computer was hung up with some kind of malware so I have missed quite a bit, it seems. Will check w/friend who works w/Putnam County for new scuttlebutt.

Friend who works for the county just sent msg w/this:
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.... called me this morning and said there were dozens of sheriff's deputies, crime lab, etc all headed south this morning. Hope something/someone is breaking. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
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I'm watching WJXT news... they haven't mentioned a word about a renewed physical search

Something's up.

[ksgirl78]

Friend who works for the county just sent msg w/this:
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.... called me this morning and said there were dozens of sheriff's deputies, crime lab, etc all headed south this morning. Hope something/someone is breaking. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
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I'm watching WJXT news... they haven't mentioned a word about a renewed physical search

Something's up.

Bolded by me.

I tend to agree! Mercy, my heart is breaking with this case!

Thank you for sharing that with us!!!

[Lyn1001]

Friend who works for the county just sent msg w/this:
==========================================
.... called me this morning and said there were dozens of sheriff's deputies, crime lab, etc all headed south this morning. Hope something/someone is breaking. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
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I'm watching WJXT news... they haven't mentioned a word about a renewed physical search

Something's up.

Sheriff's deputies and crime lab? Sounds like more than just a search.

[tehcloser]

Friend who works for the county just sent msg w/this:
==========================================
.... called me this morning and said there were dozens of sheriff's deputies, crime lab, etc all headed south this morning. Hope something/someone is breaking. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
===========================================
I'm watching WJXT news... they haven't mentioned a word about a renewed physical search

Something's up.


Can ya feel me hugging you from Texas? :blowkiss:

[AuburnJenn]

By "all headed south" do you mean South Florida or just in the southern part of that town?

[Nedthan Johns]

Okay I just finished the video and I am now 99.9% convinced that Misty is telling the truth. The cousin has this child. Good thing the shirt was found. I am hoping they can pull some residual touch DNA from that pink shirt. The perp took it off the child when he took her out of the home. I believe he drove back to Tennessee and Haleigh was disposed off either in Northern Georgia or near the Tennessee boarder. I am also 99.9% certain this perp is Misty's cousin. We have motive, we have access to the home, and we have a pedophile. I wonder if this cousin happened to have made a duplicate key when he visited. I want to know why if he had molested Misty as a child she let him into the home. I want to know how long he stayed and more about him stealing the gun.

THIS IS OUR GUY!!

[mydailyopinions]

I sure hope something is happening. This child needs to be found now. I wish I could have 5 minutes alone with Miss..Misty... :furious:

[Salem]

My first thought... Loucakis is talking. If that's the case, this probably isn't going to have a good outcome. :(

Or they are searching the area where his GPS locator device said he was? Earlier reports said the Sheriff knew where he went when he left his home area because of the GPS and that they would be searching the area just in case. This means to me Loucakis didn't just go to the grocery store or local bar, he was out in an area where there were few people, etc.

Just thoughts,

Salem

[Nedthan Johns]

I believe it is Overstreet. His myspace page has been posted several times somewhere around here. The page is "interesting" to say the least. Lots of weed, booze, partying.

anyone have a link??

[tehcloser]

I sure hope something is happening. This child needs to be found now. I wish I could have 5 minutes alone with Miss..Misty... :furious:

Yeppers........

[mydailyopinions]

Okay I just finished the video and I am now 99.9% convinced that Misty is telling the truth. The cousin has this child. Good thing the shirt was found. I am hoping they can pull some residual touch DNA from that pink shirt. The perp took it off the child when he took her out of the home. I believe he drove back to Tennessee and Haleigh was disposed off either in Northern Georgia or near the Tennessee boarder. I am also 99.9% certain this perp is Misty's cousin. We have motive, we have access to the home, and we have a pedophile. I wonder if this cousin happened to have made a duplicate key when he visited. I want to know why if he had molested Misty as a child she let him into the home. I want to know how long he stayed and more about him stealing the gun.

THIS IS OUR GUY!!

She wouldn't have..JMHO:)

[Nedthan Johns]

Or they are searching the area where his GPS locator device said he was? Earlier reports said the Sheriff knew where he went when he left his home area because of the GPS and that they would be searching the area just in case. This means to me Loucakis didn't just go to the grocery store or local bar, he was out in an area where there were few people, etc.

Just thoughts,

Salem

who is Loucakis? Was he one of the pedophiles we listed?

[Nedthan Johns]

She wouldn't have..JMHO:)

But I thought she stated she did?

[mydailyopinions]

But I thought she stated she did?

If she did, and this man has this child, then she should face charges. JMHO
I think she knows exactly what happened to this child, and I don't think it has anything to do with any cousin, else this would have come out on night one, plus a description of the vehicle would have been on the Amber Alert..
She is throwing whomever she can under the bus to take the attention off herself, which is not working..JMHO

[pirate]

Thanks LFlorida. My contacts in Flagler County are not delivering today....

[Indigo]

Okay I just finished the video and I am now 99.9% convinced that Misty is telling the truth. The cousin has this child. Good thing the shirt was found. I am hoping they can pull some residual touch DNA from that pink shirt. The perp took it off the child when he took her out of the home. I believe he drove back to Tennessee and Haleigh was disposed off either in Northern Georgia or near the Tennessee boarder. I am also 99.9% certain this perp is Misty's cousin. We have motive, we have access to the home, and we have a pedophile. I wonder if this cousin happened to have made a duplicate key when he visited. I want to know why if he had molested Misty as a child she let him into the home. I want to know how long he stayed and more about him stealing the gun.

THIS IS OUR GUY!!

Ned, I'm so hoping that you're right. It would be wonderful if they could just bring Haleigh home alive.

[kikid]

She wouldn't have..JMHO:)

exactly

[tehcloser]

HLN...family going to have presser at the top of the hour.

[Nedthan Johns]

If she did, and this man has this child, then she should face charges. JMHO
I think she knows exactly what happened to this child, and I don't think it has anything to do with any cousin, else this would have come out on night one, plus a description of the vehicle would have been on the Amber Alert..
She is throwing whomever she can under the bus to take the attention off herself, which is not working..JMHO


I disagree 100%. I don't believe Misty had anything to do with this and even if her cousin did, yes she should have used better judgement, but she is still a minor.

[Nedthan Johns]

I revise my earlier statement, I think the child was brought to Tennessee. I think the tip that someone saw her there is valid.

Does anyone have that link to the MySpace for Brandon? I have searched but found only young Brandon's in other states

[CeeKer]

anyone have a link??

One news source reported the cousin's name as "Joe". People on the "Cousin" thread thought this might be his Myspace.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

[kikid]

I've gotta say here that if LE thought of this "Cousin" as a real suspect they'd have issued a statement identifying him as a POI, issued an arrest warrant, put out an All Points Bulletin, or at least told Misty NOT to talk about him to the press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see no statement from LE, no pic or drawing of anyone they want to talk to, nothing being said of POI - nadda

I don't think he is considered a POI by LE.

I think Misty is their #1 suspect at this time.... and Ron #2 depending upon the relationship dynamics of the two of them as this unfolds.

I am torn here as either way (SO or one of the caregivers) its a sad situation.

[Salem]

i guess he either believes her or they're in this together......

Very interesting situation. I think he believes her and is concerned that others don't. In the GVS interview, it was obvious that RC was upset with MC because she couldn't seem to answer the questions. I think when RC and MC are alone, MC is quite convincing, but when she is on camera, not so much. I think RC is having trouble with this. I also think RC is beginning to doubt her and maybe Gma is also. MC is becoming more defiant on camera if ML's interview means anything. What I can't figure out is if MC is just totally nonobservant and doesn't pay attention to any details or if she is just lying. Questioning her reminds me of questioning an 8-10 year old.

Interesting...... I hope something comes from the cousin search. Prayers for Haliegh.

Salem

[DotsEyes]

The crime lab? Hmm. They haven't found anything yet, so why call in the crime lab? Maybe to process the car that was taken in?

The Red Rav4 was seen in East Knoxville, TN being driven by a white man who had a Haleigh-looking girl with him. There is no indication that this car or the people in it have been located. There was an abandoned car in the woods and a car seized by LE (maybe one in the same) No Rav4 was seized. NG got it wrong, wrong, wrong.

[DotsEyes]

Also, IIRC, LE said the cousin was never a RSO.

[SuziQ]

NEW SEARCH: Exclusive Raw Video (http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html) | See Images (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18759402/detail.html)

[SeriouslySearching]

Tip leads to new ground search for Haleigh

http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html


PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A new tip led to a new ground search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings Friday and an army of deputies searched a wooded area just a few hundred yards from her home.

Putnam County sheriff's deputies stopped all physical ground searches for Haleigh Cummings last Monday, but Friday morning Eyewitness News found a search team in Satsuma in a parking lot and followed behind them.
The tip that led law enforcement to the wooded area came in overnight. Officers from all over, including Flagler County Fire Rescue, showed up early Friday morning to begin the searchI didn't see this posted yet.

[cajun]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-croslin-today-show-022009,0,7668823.story?track=rss

I read the story above, haven't watched the video yet, but am more convinced then ever it was the cousin now. Is his first name Brandon? Do we have a last name.

Brandon is close to her age. when I think of someone molesting someone I would think that they would be much older, like a legal adult.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have a feeling this may be it. It is too close to home and where the other searches took place so it leads me to believe they have details on this one.

[jnTexas]

I have a feeling this may be it. It is too close to home and where the other searches took place so it leads me to believe they have details on this one.

I do to. I hope this family can get some closure today. I do feel the child is no longer with us.

[SuziQ]

The cousin in question is named "Joe".

[ksgirl78]

NEW SEARCH: Exclusive Raw Video (http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html) | See Images (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18759402/detail.html)

Thank you for that link! I was glad to hear that they were back out there searching, but not having a good feeling considering they are so close to the home where Haleigh went missing!

I do to. I hope this family can get some closure today. I do feel the child is no longer with us.

I am just wondering if the tip came from Misty, not as in a direct tip but something that came out of whatever story she was telling this time, or if it was from the RSO who got arrested yesterday, or if it was just a tip that was called in?

I don't think it is looking good at all!

[SeriouslySearching]

Anyone figure out where the sighting of the Crime Lab came from?

[amandab]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html

"A new tip led to a new ground search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings Friday and an army of deputies searched a wooded area just a few hundred yards from her home."

This was in the thread from the family's presser today; I thought it warranted its own thread.

[MvD]

this does NOT look good...

[Indigo]

Thank you for that link! I was glad to hear that they were back out there searching, but not having a good feeling considering they are so close to the home where Haleigh went missing!



I am just wondering if the tip came from Misty, not as in a direct tip but something that came out of whatever story she was telling this time, or if it was from the RSO who got arrested yesterday, or if it was just a tip that was called in?

I don't think it is looking good at all!

If the tip came from an RSO I would think LE would be kind enough to hold some kind of a presser that would take the pressure off of Misty/Ron.

It doesn't look good.

[SWAG1959]

Thank you for posting this, Pirate. I'm down the road in Palatka and hadn't heard a thing about it. My computer was hung up with some kind of malware so I have missed quite a bit, it seems. Will check w/friend who works w/Putnam County for new scuttlebutt.

Friend who works for the county just sent msg w/this:
==========================================
.... called me this morning and said there were dozens of sheriff's deputies, crime lab, etc all headed south this morning. Hope something/someone is breaking. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
===========================================
I'm watching WJXT news... they haven't mentioned a word about a renewed physical search

Something's up.


I found it SS - LFlorida is our local person. I so hope they find something today.

[catch_22]

this seems a bit strange. no dogs led them to this area initially?

also, i'm sure TES covered this area (or maybe some other search) already.

then again, just because an area was already searched, it doesn't mean that the search didn't miss something. i think they kind of go through pretty quickly. maybe LE got info about a specific area that they want to do a detailed search on?

[tehcloser]

I hope they find answers.

[SeriouslySearching]

I found it SS - LFlorida is our local person. I so hope they find something today.Thanks, Swag! It sounds like a good inside source to me. ;) WTG, LFlorida!

[SeriouslySearching]

The wait during this search in particular is the most difficult yet. Ugh. I wish they would send up a helicopter to get some arial shots to see what is going on right now.

[pirate]

Anyone figure out where the sighting of the Crime Lab came from?

One of our members who is from Putnam County said they headed to the south part of the county (Satsuma) this morning.

The main - and I believe the only direct route from the County headquarters (Palatka) is hwy 17 into Satsuma. It's not at all out of the question that this was witnessed by many people.

Also I understand that the Flagler County Crime Scene unit is on site.

[tehcloser]

It's going to be a long afternoon................................

[pirate]

this seems a bit strange. no dogs led them to this area initially?

also, i'm sure TES covered this area (or maybe some other search) already.

then again, just because an area was already searched, it doesn't mean that the search didn't miss something. i think they kind of go through pretty quickly. maybe LE got info about a specific area that they want to do a detailed search on?


I find the lack of a scent trail odd too- unless there are trails or something in those woods that would allow for a vehicle or four wheeler to get back there.

[mydailyopinions]

The wait during this search in particular is the most difficult yet. Ugh. I wish they would send up a helicopter to get some arial shots to see what is going on right now.

Me too!
SS, you have been through several cases, do you think that having Crime Scene Units there now is a big thing?

[SeriouslySearching]

One of our members who is from Putnam County said they headed to the south part of the county (Satsuma) this morning.

The main - and I believe the only direct route from the County headquarters (Palatka) is hwy 17 into Satsuma. It's not at all out of the question that this was witnessed by many people.

Also I understand that the Flagler County Crime Scene unit is on site.Thanks, Pirate!

No reason to include the Crime Scene Unit on a regular search unless they feel they have a crime scene...is there?

ETA: Maybe a searcher with TES can answer that question.

[Seahorseladydi]

(I started a new thread.. sorry, forgot this was about ground search please delete the other one.... thank you mods!)

anyhow...... this is what I read.... and was wondering if anyone had an ariel shot?

There were more than 70 searchers, some with walking sticks. Eyewitness News was the only TV news crew in the woods when the search began.

"We're going to move to the north, which will be to our right all the way down this road, double arms length apart. The go signal is going to be 'move,'" the search leader announced.

The group met briefly Friday morning and then lined up on a dirt road.

*snipped from http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html

This is a grid search... I have done them before.... they are looking for ANYTHING they can find..... usually a body.. I hate to say that... but ........

[raeann]

this seems a bit strange. no dogs led them to this area initially?

also, i'm sure TES covered this area (or maybe some other search) already.

then again, just because an area was already searched, it doesn't mean that the search didn't miss something. i think they kind of go through pretty quickly. maybe LE got info about a specific area that they want to do a detailed search on?

OR...it could be the area where the SO's gps locator was tracked?

[babycat]

Yes, but that's the only place you will hear it. And it was not elaborated on. Just typical NG...she does so good sometimes...and others...well..............:crazy:

Ain't that the truth!

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe searches conducted by LE are usually done this way.

[tehcloser]

OR...it could be the area where the SO's gps locator was tracked?


I just can not imagine LE and the FBI missing that for 9 days. I just can't.

[Truthwillsetufree]

The wait during this search in particular is the most difficult yet. Ugh. I wish they would send up a helicopter to get some arial shots to see what is going on right now.

Yes, me too. I went and looked at the google map off that area again in the stickies and it is or what seems to me (I'm in the desert) a lot of wooded area that appears to be very dense. That too, is if I'm looking where they are searching.

[raeann]

The wait during this search in particular is the most difficult yet. Ugh. I wish they would send up a helicopter to get some arial shots to see what is going on right now.

Me too....and I also wish that Obama's little friend Eric Holder who called all of us a "Nation of Cowards" would take a look at those officers lined up to tromp through what is most likely a snake infested, dangerous area to search for a tiny little girl that none of them even know!

[Busylady]

I can't anything that says Crime Scene van went to the scene?

[tehcloser]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=27

For the politically inclined......:crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't anything that says Crime Scene van went to the scene?Because it came from an inside tip to WS:

Originally Posted by LFlorida
Friend who works for the county just sent msg w/this:
==========================================
.... called me this morning and said there were dozens of sheriff's deputies, crime lab, etc all headed south this morning. Hope something/someone is breaking. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
===========================================
I'm watching WJXT news... they haven't mentioned a word about a renewed physical search

Something's up.

[catch_22]

OR...it could be the area where the SO's gps locator was tracked?

i really don't think that this guy is at all involved.

they know where he was every minute of every day (within 20 feet).

he was no where near haleigh's home on the night in question.

he was arrested for violating curfew on a night about a week after she went missing.

the only way i can see him being involved is if someone else took her and brought her to his house. how likely is that?

LE wouldn't exclude him because the wont exclude anyone.......

[Truthwillsetufree]

I do hope that all the men and women searching go home safe and sound.

[babycat]

Yes, but that's the only place you will hear it. And it was not elaborated on. Just typical NG...she does so good sometimes...and others...well..............:crazy:

Ain't that the truth!

[Nedthan Johns]

May I just say I am utterly astonished at the way the community LE and neighboring ones as well has pulled together for this child. This is just incrediable. I was also impressed that this little Putnam police department was already banging down doors of known pedophiles within 2 hours of Haleigh's disapperance.

[raeann]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=27

For the politically inclined......:crazy:

LOL...not going there...some of those people are so smart and well informed I feel intimidated! It wasn't a political comment or opinion anyway, really, the quote just came to mind as I saw those searchers diving into those woods! I am dreadfully afraid of snakes and no matter how much I would want to help, there is NO WAY I could make myself go into that area....I admit I am a coward in that aspect.

[tehcloser]

I can't believe how quiet the media is being about this! They are usually crawling all over everything..............

[tehcloser]

LOL...not going there...some of those people are so smart and well informed I feel intimidated! It wasn't a political comment or opinion anyway, really, the quote just came to mind as I saw those searchers diving into those woods! I am dreadfully afraid of snakes and no matter how much I would want to help, there is NO WAY I could make myself go into that area....I admit I am a coward in that aspect.

:blowkiss: I'm a country gurl....not afraid of snakes. I just pray that they can find some answers.

[Nedthan Johns]

I can't believe how quiet the media is being about this! They are usually crawling all over everything..............

IMO the reason the media is so quiet is because LE is not giving them anything. One hell of a job by LE. They have seperated Misty and Ron and are doing their job incrediably well IMO.

[tehcloser]

IMO the reason the media is so quiet is because LE is not giving them anything. One hell of a job by LE. They have seperated Misty and Ron and are doing their job incrediably well IMO.

Ned....I'm talking about being quite about the search.....:blowkiss:

[mydailyopinions]

:blowkiss: I'm a country gurl....not afraid of snakes. I just pray that they can find some answers.

teh, I give it to you hands down. I am skeered to death of them!
I hope too that something breaks today. I am still sticking with my initial thoughts..
Poor Haleigh..

[mom_of_five]

Anyone have a link to the presser at 3pm?

[Becky319]

Anyone know if LE ever talked to the Cousin Joe in Tennessee? Could he have told them to search here? Was the gun tossed in this area? I wish she could be found alive..not looking good at all.

[LFlorida]

Yes, me too. I went and looked at the google map off that area again in the stickies and it is or what seems to me (I'm in the desert) a lot of wooded area that appears to be very dense. That too, is if I'm looking where they are searching.

You can't even begin to imagine how dense it is. I live here and I was surprised by the photos and my friend's account. [She helped last wkend.]

Check out the photos on Texas Equusearch's webpage.

[sorry no link - time to pick up kiddies from school - bye]

ps - see Chad Reynolds thread for new docs I posted

[Gracenote]

May I just say I am utterly astonished at the way the community LE and neighboring ones as well has pulled together for this child. This is just incrediable. I was also impressed that this little Putnam police department was already banging down doors of known pedophiles within 2 hours of Haleigh's disapperance.

Me, too! I did outreach work in 13 rural counties and got accustomed to a pretty bumbling, uncaring, incompetent way of doing things (as far as LE) but these guys have been all business and on top of things from the beginning. And I think they are right to release so little to the slavering public of whom I am one. Unless there is info that we need to know in order to help, they don't need to tell us everything.

But I wish they would.

[LFlorida]

Me, too! I did outreach work in 13 rural counties and got accustomed to a pretty bumbling, uncaring, incompetent way of doing things (as far as LE) but these guys have been all business and on top of things from the beginning. And I think they are right to release so little to the slavering public of whom I am one. Unless there is info that we need to know in order to help, they don't need to tell us everything.

But I wish they would.

Okay, disregard my earlier denial of being a local. lol - we are a pretty wonderful bunch.

re: PCSO not releasing info - I waver between thinking that they are total incompetents, and/or that they are just doing a good job of not showing their cards. They have sure done a good job of putting the fear of god into Ronald Cummings - can't believe how adept he was at not answering questions about the investigation last night.

The interagency cooperation is also outstanding, I must say. Regrettably, we have too much experience with such situations: Laotian native murdered his wife, 3 kids, and mother-in-law; Amtrak passenger train derailment in Crescent City; freight train derailment in Palatka; "fire storms"; Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Jeanne all hitting same summer; et al.

LE coverage of the rest of the county appears to be holding up fine, too. I drove past a school bus surrounded by 6 or 7 county patrol cars, lights-a-flashing. Dunno what's up w/that, but pretty sure it is unrelated.

Your reward for reading this far: Blue Pond near Satsuma - suspicious activity, including signs of digging, reported by reliable tipster.

[mydailyopinions]

Okay, disregard my earlier denial of being a local. lol - we are a pretty wonderful bunch.

re: PCSO not releasing info - I waver between thinking that they are total incompetents, and/or that they are just doing a good job of not showing their cards. They have sure done a good job of putting the fear of god into Ronald Cummings - can't believe how adept he was at not answering questions about the investigation last night.

The interagency cooperation is also outstanding, I must say. Regrettably, we have too much experience with such situations: Laotian native murdered his wife, 3 kids, and mother-in-law; Amtrak passenger train derailment in Crescent City; freight train derailment in Palatka; "fire storms"; Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Jeanne all hitting same summer; et al.

LE coverage of the rest of the county appears to be holding up fine, too. I drove past a school bus surrounded by 6 or 7 county patrol cars, lights-a-flashing. Dunno what's up w/that, but pretty sure it is unrelated.

Your reward for reading this far: Blue Pond near Satsuma - suspicious activity, including signs of digging, reported by reliable tipster.

Near the home?
LFlorida, thank you for the info! Sounds to me like some kids fighting on the bus..:crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, LFlorida! (Didn't mean to "out" you...I was only copying a post from earlier.)

Blue Pond, eh? Sounds interesting.

[kellync]

Blue Pond Picnic and Hiking Area is located on US 17 South, approximately 15 miles south of Palatka, 4 miles south of Satsuma and 5 miles north of Pomona Park.
IF this is the place......................

[CeeKer]

(Snipped for space)

Your reward for reading this far: Blue Pond near Satsuma - suspicious activity, including signs of digging, reported by reliable tipster.

Thanks!

[catch_22]

they searched the area that RSO was in when he missed curfew a week after she went missing? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? what does his missing curfew have to do with anything? he was home when she went missing!!!!! if he did somehow have something to do with this........wouldn't he do it during the day when he didn't have a curfew?

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me LE has better leads and better things to do than conduct a search like this. am i missing something here? this guy can run around all day and do whatever he wants, but he stays out late one night and that must be where he hid the body? he couldn't have been involved until he broke curfew? then he's the prime suspect? unbelievable. LE is probably just "making sure", but come on. they have nothing better to do?

i am really starting to worry that LE has no clue in this case. or they know who did it and have no way of proving it and can't find the body without someone admitting it and no one is going to admit it.........

[SeriouslySearching]

It doesn't make a lot of sense because they said he was at home and it was verified the night Haleigh went missing. If MC is telling the truth...he could not have taken Haleigh during the hours of his confinement. It was only later when his GPS monitor went off that they decided to follow up on his movements. I don't get it either.

LE checked him out very early on and found nothing. Or did they and were just waiting on him to mess up? Something isn't right.

[SeriouslySearching]

Any news of the search teams coming in yet?

[SuziQ]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18759634/detail.html

(snip)
Dozens of law enforcement personnel on Friday searched deep in woods south of the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared 11 days ago.

Neither that search, a result of a lead, nor a search conducted of the area where a sex offender visited after his curfew turned up anything useful, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Dick Schauland said Friday afternoon.

[LFlorida]

Blue Pond Picnic and Hiking Area is located on US 17 South, approximately 15 miles south of Palatka, 4 miles south of Satsuma and 5 miles north of Pomona Park.
IF this is the place......................

BINGO.
Man wearing yellow shirt, driving late model F150, silver or lt. blue, gear shift on the STEERING COLUMN.
Tipster/aux officer [kind of - but actively employed in LE] also found where someone tried to dig a hole with his/her hands, but they hit roots.
Nearest access from hwy is a trail, not a road.

[LFlorida]

Any news of the search teams coming in yet?

Still unknown; LE keeping so tight-lipped that county employees are not being told where it was. News accounts say 200 yds [or few hundred yds] behind Ron's trailer.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18759634/detail.html

(snip)
Dozens of law enforcement personnel on Friday searched deep in woods south of the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared 11 days ago.

Neither that search, a result of a lead, nor a search conducted of the area where a sex offender visited after his curfew turned up anything useful, Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Dick Schauland said Friday afternoon.When he said that...he also mentioned they were still ongoing searches. So there is no clarification of the end result yet.

[SeriouslySearching]

BINGO.
Man wearing yellow shirt, driving late model F150, silver or lt. blue, gear shift on the STEERING COLUMN.
Tipster/aux officer [kind of - but actively employed in LE] also found where someone tried to dig a hole with his/her hands, but they hit roots.
Nearest access from hwy is a trail, not a road.Hmmmm...interesting. (I didn't know they made late model trucks with gear shifts on the steering column!) I wonder why anyone would dig with their hands for any reason?

Probably not related, but I wonder what color the trucks were that LE found after searching the tip at the RR tracks. They said the tip was a dead end, but someone said they saw two men with a little girl walking the tracks. LE found two trucks, but said they checked out.

[PoppyH]

Mods feel free to merge this if need Be

I was talking with my husband, he said those trains go through there , they spray weed killer, dogs cannot pick up a scent through weed killer IF it had been sprayed recently..he said at work one time they had a bomb scare, and they could not use the dogs due to the gases that they had had work , said it would mask the scent

[NSC]

I thought her scent was lost at the pond???

In any case, that interesting info! Thanks!!

[LFlorida]

Hmmmm...interesting. (I didn't know they made late model trucks with gear shifts on the steering column!) I wonder why anyone would dig with their hands for any reason?

Probably not related, but I wonder what color the trucks were that LE found after searching the tip at the RR tracks. They said the tip was a dead end, but someone said they saw two men with a little girl walking the tracks. LE found two trucks, but said they checked out.

I may have misused that phrase. "Older model" is what I meant. [Never have understood "late model", sorry. Does that mean the latest model or an old model?]

[Trino]

I may have misused that phrase. "Older model" is what I meant. [Never have understood "late model", sorry. Does that mean the latest model or an old model?]

Kind of strange terminology, sort of like saying, "jumbo shrimp." A late model is a more current (newer) model.

[TxLady2]

Hmmmm...interesting. (I didn't know they made late model trucks with gear shifts on the steering column!) I wonder why anyone would dig with their hands for any reason?

Probably not related, but I wonder what color the trucks were that LE found after searching the tip at the RR tracks. They said the tip was a dead end, but someone said they saw two men with a little girl walking the tracks. LE found two trucks, but said they checked out.

Sure they do! Some people prefer bench seats in their truck, so that would require gear shifts on the steering column, I would think. I'll ask my hubby, to be sure, but I think I'm right.

[mybrokenwings]

Sure they do! Some people prefer bench seats in their truck, so that would require gear shifts on the steering column, I would think. I'll ask my hubby, to be sure, but I think I'm right.

I have been in a lot of pick up trucks and they no longer put the shift on the column. They still put it on the floor which does not interfere with the bench seat. The shifter is mounted up under the dash on the floor then bends toward where you hand is.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes. Late model means "as of late" or newer model. (Usually describing brand new or in the past 3 or 4 years.)

[mybrokenwings]

I have been in a lot of pick up trucks and they no longer put the shift on the column. They still put it on the floor which does not interfere with the bench seat. The shifter is mounted up under the dash on the floor then bends toward where you hand is.

I meant to add that you can still order the shift on the column though.

[shadow of my mind]

They used to refer to 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear shifting pattern with the handle connected to the steering column as 'three on the tree'. Worked the same way as a shifter on the floor. It was odd. It made for a huge shift pattern while changing gears. I know that some trucks made in the mid 70's had this yet but any truck I have driven from the 80's on up have been automatic transmissions so even though the shifter was still on the column it was just an up and down from drive to reverse etc. Don’t know when they started putting the manual shifters on the floor in trucks as a ‘standard’ thing. As far as I know any manual transmission trucks that you get now have the shifter on the floor.

[LFlorida]

Thank you for clearing that up for me and anyone who might come behind me, reading that post. It was an older truck, not a "late model".

My tipster doesn't do the internet on the weekends, btw, so doubt I'll get anything you can't find elsewhere on the web.

[winterrose]

Well,her shoes were in the house,so wouldn't they be carrying her?

[lonetraveler]

Maybe LE has already done this but: Can't LE take the person who called in the tip about the white man in TN who had a little girl who looked like Haleigh and let the tipster see the cousin in TN and verify if he is the same man they saw at Carabas Restaurant? I hope LE did this. This tipster should be able to say if it is him or not...don't you think?

[LoveEndsWar]

Thank you for clearing that up for me and anyone who might come behind me, reading that post. It was an older truck, not a "late model".

My tipster doesn't do the internet on the weekends, btw, so doubt I'll get anything you can't find elsewhere on the web.

I have been checking through threads trying to figure out what vehicle was abandoned in the woods? Its conflicting if it was the Rav4 or a mixed up report, but maybe LF can you clear it up for me? An older truck? A newer truck? I don't get it. Also on some other posts I saw that there were drugs in the abandoned vehicle.. and now with these recent drug busts, I was wondering did you ever find out what kind of drugs were in this said vehicle? Thank you and sorry if you answered these questions somewhere already.

[MADJGNLAW]

Maybe LE has already done this but: Can't LE take the person who called in the tip about the white man in TN who had a little girl who looked like Haleigh and let the tipster see the cousin in TN and verify if he is the same man they saw at Carabas Restaurant? I hope LE did this. This tipster should be able to say if it is him or not...don't you think?

BBM I would assume that LE did show this person a picture of Joe and other as protocol. I could be wrong though. LE did say Joe was not a suspect though.

Video Report Investigators Discount Haleigh Sighting; http://www.news4jax.com/video/18759897/index.html
Family members told Channel 4 that a relative named Joe visited the Cummings' home and left hours before Haleigh disappeared. (This is not true, he was still there when Haleigh was reported missing!)Friday morning, Croslin told Matt Lauer on the "Today Show" that she doesn't trust that cousin and doesn't know if he's involved in Haleigh's disappearance.

"He's a criminal, pretty much," Croslin said. "He's been in trouble his whole life."

Investigators pressed for information Friday confirmed that Misty's cousin had been interviewed, but wouldn't say if they had officers in Tennessee.

"We're continuing to follow up any leads that are generated anywhere," Florida Department of Law Enforcement special agent Dominick Pape said. "All the relatives have been interviewed, and Joe is a relative."

In Tennessee last Sunday, a woman called 911 saying she saw a little girl who looked like Haleigh getting into a red Toyota Rav4 in the parking lot of a Carabba's restaurant.

The woman said it appeared that the man was attempting to shield the girl's face.

"I don't believe that she would go into a restaurant and not cry for somebody," said Teresa Neves. "I can only pray it was her because that means she's alive and eating well."

Knoxville police and the Florida Highway Patrol searched the area, but they could not find the vehicle.


Misty Croslin's Tennessee Relative Not a Suspect in Haleigh's Disappearance

Updated: 2/21/2009 5:03:16 PM

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- The relative of Misty Croslin who investigators had been questioning in Tennessee is not a suspect in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance.]Captain Dick Schauland didn't have much new information to release in Saturday afternoon's press conference, but when asked point-blank about whether the man known as 'Joe' in Tennessee was a suspect or person of interest, Schauland said he wasn't.
Misty had previously said that man was someone she didn't trust and that he had visited shortly before Haleigh disappeared.

It's been 12 days since five-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared.

Article: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...1872&catid=295

[LFlorida]

I have been checking through threads trying to figure out what vehicle was abandoned in the woods? Its conflicting if it was the Rav4 or a mixed up report, but maybe LF can you clear it up for me? An older truck? A newer truck? I don't get it. Also on some other posts I saw that there were drugs in the abandoned vehicle.. and now with these recent drug busts, I was wondering did you ever find out what kind of drugs were in this said vehicle? Thank you and sorry if you answered these questions somewhere already.

The truck I was talking about was one that a reserve LE officer saw near a pond on highway 17 after Haleigh was reported missing. It was just something he noticed while out looking for Haleigh, iirc.

re: the abandoned vehicle full of drugs that LE supposedly found the night of the 911 call --- That info didn't come from me, though I may have naively repeated it.

I have no idea how credible the original source of that info is [or was.]

So much disinformation has been strewn about in this case on the 'net, imo. I was a forum "virgin" when I joined W/S last February and I assumed everybody was working towards the same goal. lol - Talk about naive.... my eyes have certainly been opened since then.

[LFlorida]

BINGO.
Man wearing yellow shirt, driving late model F150, silver or lt. blue, gear shift on the STEERING COLUMN.
Tipster/aux officer [kind of - but actively employed in LE] also found where someone tried to dig a hole with his/her hands, but they hit roots.
Nearest access from hwy is a trail, not a road.

This part did come from a reliable person, but it had nothing to do with an abandoned car full of drugs found 2/10/09. [Just for clarification.]