Chances of a safe return?

[Egoslayer]

I've been busy this weekend and just checked the news and was surprised that Haleigh was still missing. Do you think they'll ever find her?

What are the chances that a child is found after so long?

[smart blonde]

I pray for the best, but...
I'm expecting the worst.

I hope I'm wrong, and they bring her home safe and happy.

[drumstick]

I think we're all praying for a family abduction and Haleigh will be found safe but the reality is the time missing without a poi.

[MADJGNLAW]

I fear the worst for poor Haleigh. The family did the right thing by contacting the authorities right away. However, it has been over 12 days and no leads have panned out for her safe return.

United States Statistics Missing Children Statistics

- A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the U.S., over 2,100 per day

800,000 children go missing each year

90% are juveniles

50% are 4 to 11 years old

Strangers commit 53% of child abductions that end tragically

Another 500,000 go missing without ever being reported



According to the U.S. Department of Justice

74% of tragic outcomes after a child abduction occurred within three hours of being taken. According to one study of missing children statistics and stranger abductions, showed that 44% of the cases ended tragically within the first hour. By the third hour, it was 74%, and within 24 hours, 91%.


How effective has Amber Alert been?
AMBER Alert has been very effective. Recent kidnapping statistics in America show that AMBER Alert programs have helped save the lives of over 350 abducted children nationwide.

AMBER Alert cases have already shown that some perpetrators release the abducted child after hearing the AMBER Alert on the radio or seeing it on television.
http://www.amberalertregistry.org/amber-alert-statistics.html

[happydog]

Hello everyone, I'm a newby here. I hope that she's OK, something tells me that she might just be OK, I don't know why but I really hope so.

[BeavisMom62]

I hope I am wrong (as we all do) and she is found alive. Statistics don't seem to bear this out however. I don't think this is in bad taste. Unfortunately, its reality and what we do here. If we didn't talk about "death" and other unsavory subjects, WS would cease to exist.

[not_my_kids]

The statistics say that she was probably dead within the first 3 hours and almost certainly dead within 3 days.
However, there is still the chance in this case of one of the family's having her, so that would improve her chances.
I hope for the best, but know the real life chances...and they aren't good.

[kellync]

slim...

[Hermione]

The odds aren't good, but there is always hope - Elizabeth Smart.

I am really worried for this child, but praying for a miracle.

[samsmom02]

I just have a feeling she will be found alive. I definitely hope I am right. :praying:

[Lexington]

Unfortunately, I think Haleigh is deceased. Too much time has elapsed since her disappearance.

[SailorMoon]

I think she is dead. Killed by who....is up in the air.

[allure]

I don't know why... but I believe Haleigh is still alive (at least right now). I know there were supporters that truly believed Caylee was still alive, though I never felt that way, from the beginning. I just have a different feeling about this little one, I guess.

[concentric]

I think we're all praying for a family abduction and Haleigh will be found safe but the reality is the time missing without a poi.

ITA. Same as above.

[Glassgirl]

I have a bad feeling that she is deceased.
I really hope that I am wrong.

[3dogmom]

Miracles happen everyday. I am praying for Haleighs Miracle...

[SeriouslySearching]

I think the chances are very slim, sadly. We all know the stats and this isn't looking good for Haleigh the longer this goes on without any solid leads.

[SuziQ]

IMO, the stats for abductions don't apply if this was murder from the get go. Which is sadly what I'm leaning towards. IMO, this is a murder staged to look like an abduction. A missing child does not necessarily equal abduction. ETA: A missing child is often missing because a parent or SO has hidden the childs body.

I'll look around to see if I can find the info. But there was an article about missing kids orgs misusing data. Such as there might be 800K missing kids a year, but most are found within a few hours at a friends house etc. There is a definite problem with missing kids. But sometimes the way the stats are stated makes it sound worse than it is.

JMO of course!

[maswondering2]

For some reason I 'm not getting shes dead....I still feel shes alive....with other missing kids I seem to feel instantly what has happen....Trenton Duckett, Maddie Mcane, Caylee Anthony....I think haliegh is till out there...but where and why????

[SuziQ]

http://www.connectforkids.org/node/223

(snip)
For instance, of those nearly 800,000 children reported missing each year, 99 percent are found through law enforcement efforts, according to FBI statistics. That still leaves 8,000 to 10,000 missing despite a prolonged search�a frightening, but certainly far more manageable, number.
We know that the vast majority of those missing have been taken by a non-custodial parent, have run away, or have been thrown out of their homes. The number of children kidnapped by others is far smaller, though absolutely devastating in every case.
About 200 to 300 children are kidnapped in the classic sense each year, according to the National Incidence Study of Missing, Exploited, Runaway and Throwaway Children (NISMART). Another 3,200 to 4,600 are taken for shorter periods, have something done to them, often a sexual assault of some type, and are then released. This number could be two to five times higher than the NISMART estimate, some believe, because of underreporting to law enforcement.

[Kat]

IMO, the stats for abductions don't apply if this was murder from the get go. Which is sadly what I'm leaning towards. IMO, this is a murder staged to look like an abduction. A missing child does not necessarily equal abduction. ETA: A missing child is often missing because a parent or SO has hidden the childs body.

I'll look around to see if I can find the info. But there was an article about missing kids orgs misusing data. Such as there might be 800K missing kids a year, but most are found within a few hours at a friends house etc. There is a definite problem with missing kids. But sometimes the way the stats are stated makes it sound worse than it is.

JMO of course!


Respectfully bolded by me:

FWIW, I'm leaning in that direction too. So when I look at the numbers on these type of cases where a child is missing or murdered. A significant percentage is assigned to a parent/ primary care giver being involved. Then we look at the age of this victim and it supports those numbers even further.

Although, it is not out of the realm of possibility that is was a stranger abduction, I think that if it was an abduction it more than likely would be a family abduction (again just looking at numbers and percentages).

[SuziQ]

Respectfully bolded by me:

FWIW, I'm leaning in that direction too. So when I look at the numbers on these type of cases where a child is missing or murdered. A significant percentage is assigned to a parent/ primary care giver being involved. Then we look at the age of this victim and it supports those numbers even further.

Although, it is not out of the realm of possibility that is was a stranger abduction, I think that if it was an abduction it more than likely would be a family abduction (again just looking at numbers and percentages).

I know if I knew that Misty was somewhere else and not at home, it would make me lean towards an abduction.

[Trailerparkgirl]

i have a feeling she is still alive, naturally i could be wrong
im praying she's alive...

[winterrose]

It depends on if it was MC or a set up and she's safe somewhere.

[Shaymus at The Rock]

The odds aren't good, but there is always hope - Elizabeth Smart.

I am really worried for this child, but praying for a miracle.

I'm there with you.

[passionflower]

With so many SO, bad people and drugs involved, my hopes are dimming.
I pray that I am wrong.
Haleigh is so fragile with health problems also.
I hope LE investigated the river, RR tracks and family freezers.
IMO

[BetsyB]

I hope for a family abduction--and that she is alive.

But I think she was dead before Ron got home from work; I am in the murder-staged-as-abduction camp. I don't think, at this point, that Ron was involved. I do think that Misty was, on some level.

[pinkfly]

I cannot even imagine how hard it would be to move on with your life never knowing what happened to your child. I pray that something is found to give the family answers.

[dunlurken]

I don't think she will be found alive.

[St3phanie]

I can't believe how quickly leads / clues have dried up in her case! I pray she is alive!!!!

[concentric]

I don't think that LE, FBI, etc. is at an advanced enough state technologically to enter all of this data and extract a read-out of the most predominant scenario. All of the time it takes to deal with the preliminaries unfortunately lends itself to a less than favorable outcome.

[Seahorseladydi]

My heart and the facts are sadly how I am feeling....

I hope and pray I am wrong!

[Short_Stuff]

I think she is gone, too much time has elapsed. I pray I am wrong.

[tiredofthis]

I cannot even imagine how hard it would be to move on with your life never knowing what happened to your child. I pray that something is found to give the family answers.

I can't begin to imagine the pain! I pray no of us ever have to find out.

[SuziQ]

I cannot even imagine how hard it would be to move on with your life never knowing what happened to your child. I pray that something is found to give the family answers.

This has got to be the worst thing.

[BondJamesBond]

To answer the question, "Chances...", as has already been quoted, the statistics tell the tale of the chances.

Regardless...I'm going with the starfish principle with Haleigh. Based on LE's behavior, I'm praying she will be the exception...and not the rule. LE is watching someone/something...they are holding their cards very close to the vest. The cancelled pressers are just one more indication...

Praying for Haleigh's safe return...count me in. :thumb:

[KR2tonenow]

It doesn't look good. Going into week 3....

[txsvicki]

Just going by what's been reported, the dogs tracking to the edge of the dock and back around the street to the railroad tracks makes me think something very bad happened. There was no reason to take her to the edge of the water, and now Junior says a man in black took Haleigh. Very bad signs IMO.

[murdershewrote]

Usually in these types of cases, I don't hold out much hope for an abducted child, esp after these many days. But with this case, I'm honestly not getting a strong feeling one way or the other. I do feel that whoever took her knows Ron and/or Misty. I don't really think its a relative though. But I think the whole crew have lied, bio-mom, Ron and Misty.

[MADJGNLAW]

I think the chances are very slim, sadly. We all know the stats and this isn't looking good for Haleigh the longer this goes on without any solid leads.

I pray that she is alive, I thought at first that maybe the bio-mom had taken Haleigh to protect her from something and Misty being afraid of Ron went along with it. I now don't know what to believe. I can't seem to get the Original Police Report out of my head. I don't know if it is because I have not found closure with the Caylee case, it just worries me when they mention DNA and Finger Prints and dogs that lead to a pond and back to the house.

The report goes on to say, "It should be noted that (Haleigh's father) said Haleigh's shoes were still inside the residence."

The dogs and officers followed the track to a pond and then circled back near the Cummings' home and then out of the neighborhood to a location very near Haleigh's school bus stop.

The details of the initial investigation recorded by officers have not been commented on by the sheriff. The entire area of the neighborhood within a five-mile radius of Haleigh's home has been searched and searched again.

Dominick Pape, special agent in charge of the Jacksonville office of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said forensic evidence collected during the investigation such as DNA and fingerprints would be a priority.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18713359/detail.html

[sttct]

Miracles DO happen. They happen all the time. Let's all pray that she is a miracle!

[doogiesgirl]

I feel that this is an abduction, that Misty was negligent at worst by not being home, but even though I think a SO/SP took her and that the stats say she is most likely deceased, I am holding out hope for Haleigh. I felt she was alive until last weekend when I felt it change but I am going to ignore that and go with hope. Come home baby girl.

[NRN]

only a nano-chance she is alive

[nostoneunturned]

I wish I could say I believe she is alive. I have a feeling she was long gone before Ron ever came home. I think either Misty was "passed out" or was not there when Haleigh disappeared.
I think Haleigh was put to bed,woke up, looked for Misty,didn't see her, decided to go look for her. Changed her clothes, and walked out the door. I don't know from that point if she walked to the water and fell in or if someone saw her and took her..
I think Misty lied about being there, who goes to bed at 10??I think she knew Ron would kick her out if she told him what happened, and I think she set the whole thing up about the door.
I don't think Ron harmed Haleigh.
The bio-mom should stop throwing stones,because she is living in a glass house.
If Ron was abusive, WHY did she allow the children to stay there? Why at first did she say she thought Misty was fit to watch the children then later changed her story, that she was not comfortable with a 17 year old watching her children.
She better watch what she says, she could be in big trouble.

[Pennsolveania]

I do not believe she is safe on Earth with a family member or has been adopted by sensitive strangers.... so, it pains me to say, but... I hope she is dead.

I remember hoping Madeleine McCann was dead also. The alternative is just too demonic to think about. A captor does not comfort and reassure a child, he doesn't feed her and care for her and protect her. He terrifies her and does things that I won't even think about - let alone type.

Statistically speaking, Haleigh was only alive long enough for the devil to take her to a secondary location and then a short time after that. And now she safely plays in a different world where she was welcomed by hosts of angels and crowds of loved ones♥

May God Bless Haleigh and illuminate her grave so she can be lovingly and respectfully interred in a proper burial space.

[black poodle]

Slim to none.

[Beyond Belief]

10%:mad:

[RJA00]

i think she is alive and safe

lets just say geraldo is correct and he is informant

Maybe the le knows excalty where she is and they are in talks
that's why they are not releasing any info

I hope that paper exchange didn't put her at risk today
they want something in exchange for Haleigh somebody released or something

I hope and pray that she is safe

[Brwnigirl]

I will send positive thoughts out there until I know for sure anything different. No matter what thoughts I am pushing away. I understand the statistics but I would want positive prayer and hope from everyone if my child was missing.

[Bobbisangel]

i think she is alive and safe

lets just say geraldo is correct and he is informant

Maybe the le knows excalty where she is and they are in talks
that's why they are not releasing any info

I hope that paper exchange didn't put her at risk today
they want something in exchange for Haleigh somebody released or something

I hope and pray that she is safe


What paper exchange today? Who wants something in exchange for Haleigh?

I see that LE took the bio mother's boyfriend in for questioning today. It wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the bio mother and her boyfriend who took Haleigh. She wouldn't have dared take both kids at the same time. Nobody would believe that they were both abducted.

Unless someone took Haleigh that cares about her I would say that she is gone. I hope not but we all know what the stats are. I can't believe that there is not one sign of this little girl. Haleigh would have gone willingly with her mom or the boyfriend. Maybe they have her ditched somewhere with a friend of the boyfriends who no one knows. The mom could head for home later on and the couple could pick up Haleigh and move far away with no one the wiser.

Ron was taking the bio mom to court because she is behind in child support. Maybe that helped her to make the decision to take Haleigh.

[RJA00]

What paper exchange today? Who wants something in exchange for Haleigh?

I see that LE took the bio mother's boyfriend in for questioning today. It wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the bio mother and her boyfriend who took Haleigh. She wouldn't have dared take both kids at the same time. Nobody would believe that they were both abducted.

Unless someone took Haleigh that cares about her I would say that she is gone. I hope not but we all know what the stats are. I can't believe that there is not one sign of this little girl. Haleigh would have gone willingly with her mom or the boyfriend. Maybe they have her ditched somewhere with a friend of the boyfriends who no one knows. The mom could head for home later on and the couple could pick up Haleigh and move far away with no one the wiser.




Ron was taking the bio mom to court because she is behind in child support. Maybe that helped her to make the decision to take Haleigh.

here is the video about the paper exchange
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

[liljim]

i think the only chance she is still alive is if she was taken by the biological mother or someone on her behalf, as others have said.

i really hope that is what happened, because other than that i think the chance of her being found safe is very remote.

[Becky319]

What purpose would it be for the bio mom to take Haleigh and then not be able to be with her? I think the bio mom would have taken the children like the bio dad did by not returning them after a visitation. I think she went missing from Ron's trailer that night while Misty was out or passed out and I don't think the outcome is going to be good. I pray I am wrong.

[not_my_kids]

I do not believe she is safe on Earth with a family member or has been adopted by sensitive strangers.... so, it pains me to say, but... I hope she is dead.

I remember hoping Madeleine McCann was dead also. The alternative is just too demonic to think about. A captor does not comfort and reassure a child, he doesn't feed her and care for her and protect her. He terrifies her and does things that I won't even think about - let alone type.

Statistically speaking, Haleigh was only alive long enough for the devil to take her to a secondary location and then a short time after that. And now she safely plays in a different world where she was welcomed by hosts of angels and crowds of loved ones♥

May God Bless Haleigh and illuminate her grave so she can be lovingly and respectfully interred in a proper burial space.

Thank you, thank you for saying it first. For a five year old girl, the options are so much worse than death at this point.

[Kat]

We are on day 14. Still no sign of LE locating Haleigh. IMHO hope for a safe return is all but lost.

[murdershewrote]

I can't see the biomom taking her because no matter where she goes, she is going to have people watching her for the rest of her life. I just can't see any way of her getting away with it.

I do think it was either revenge against Ron or Misty, or both.

[NSC]

I just feel ill about this entire scenario...

Of course you hope for the best. I feel like she is out there somewhere... maybe alive... just a feeling of course. But sadly, I am probably wrong.

[MomofBoys]

I don't know why... but I believe Haleigh is still alive (at least right now). I know there were supporters that truly believed Caylee was still alive, though I never felt that way, from the beginning. I just have a different feeling about this little one, I guess.

You know, ITA. I never, ever had an ounce of faith that Caylee was alive. Yet I check in here every day expecting to see Haleigh found safe.

It's just a feeling I can't explain. I'm not a huge believer in vibes or psychic knowledge or whatever, but I keep thinking she'll be found with either an associate of Misty or Crystal, and she's somewhere not far off I-75.

I know that sounds very Clyde Bruckman, but I'm keeping the faith.

[Anais]

To answer the question, "Chances...", as has already been quoted, the statistics tell the tale of the chances.

Regardless...I'm going with the starfish principle with Haleigh. Based on LE's behavior, I'm praying she will be the exception...and not the rule. LE is watching someone/something...they are holding their cards very close to the vest. The cancelled pressers are just one more indication...

Praying for Haleigh's safe return...count me in. :thumb:

I had wondered about this myself-why LE is keeping EVERYTHING so very close to the vest. DH said he thought they are watching someone in the family-we'll see.

[krimekat]

I had wondered about this myself-why LE is keeping EVERYTHING so very close to the vest. DH said he thought they are watching someone in the family-we'll see.

Me, too -- this is what I hope to be true. Praying that Haleigh returns home and if that is not an option, praying that Haleigh is home . . . .

[PoppyH]

Im hoping beyond hope that Haleigh is out there safe somewhere

[RobsanX]

I don't think she'll be found alive. With all the crime and drugs in that family, I think it's time for some more questioning. If the father was a part of a drug subculture they need to find out the people involved in it, and start questioning them too... He said he's 75% sure who did it, and I believe him...

[Trino]

You know, ITA. I never, ever had an ounce of faith that Caylee was alive. Yet I check in here every day expecting to see Haleigh found safe.

It's just a feeling I can't explain. I'm not a huge believer in vibes or psychic knowledge or whatever, but I keep thinking she'll be found with either an associate of Misty or Crystal, and she's somewhere not far off I-75. I know that sounds very Clyde Bruckman, but I'm keeping the faith.

I have that same feeling, that an associate of one of the adults took her. IMO the person(s) who took H really didn't mean for LE to get involved. Maybe it was to scare R or M, but when the police were called, it had gone too far. What now? After two weeks one would think a kidnapper would panic and return her if she was still alive - too hard to hide her.

Although I don't believe M had a part in this, I think she left the door open and the light on, then left the trailer to meet someone or to party. It would make more sense to leave a light on in case one of the kids woke up.

[GenealogyKR]

Who would want her taken, is the question. I'm sure not Ron. Crystal's side is more believable. Especially since she received a letter about back child support a day before she was taken. "My gut" tells me she's alive and with someone, driving around. Just my opinion.

[Anniegirl]

I've been busy this weekend and just checked the news and was surprised that Haleigh was still missing. Do you think they'll ever find her?

What are the chances that a child is found after so long?


Elizabeth Smart being rescued from those nuts after 9 months reminded me 'not to give ' up ---although since these cases usually dont have a happy ending its hard to keep hope as the days go by,but there is always that chance... .

I have been praying for her safe return,just worried wont be a good outcome :( .

[jaimie43]

I'm not a huge believer in vibes or psychic knowledge or whatever,

Me either-but Im not knocking it either for those who do believe . I have to say tho that today I woke up feeling not so good and now as I sit here waiting for updates from the search I have an overwhelming feeling of sadness and despair. This is NOT normal for me to feel this way.....

[daisy.faithfull]

LE is watching someone/something...they are holding their cards very close to the vest. The cancelled pressers are just one more indication...

Praying for Haleigh's safe return...count me in. :thumb:

But why would LE just watch the person when if that person is abusing her? Unless they are watching a murderer, and I just have this little feeling that she is alive that I cannot shake... I know that it is against the odds, but I just cannot shake that feeling.

The best case scenario if she was abducted would be Crystal took her, she obviously has animosity towards Ron, and if she does think that he is abusing her, she could see kidnapping as the only way to keep her safe. But then why would she leave Ron Jr. behind. And I think that that theory has been ruled out with Crystal's Haileighbug Center.

I wish some more locals would come back-- I would really like to know what their answer to this question would be... in the meantime I am praying for her safe return too.

[Trino]

I, like a lot of posters, am wondering about M being a consideration in the investigation. Now, I'm wondering how RC will react if M is found to be somehow involved.

[tequilla shots]

I, like a lot of posters, am wondering about M being a consideration in the investigation. Now, I'm wondering how RC will react if M is found to be somehow involved.


I agree with what you are saying. It not going to be a great situation, but i just dont like where this is going. the amount of time that has passed is just to much. with all the drugs and so crawling all opver this case, i will be pleasently surprised if it turns out on a good note.

[passionflower]

I'm afraid I have lost my feelings of an alive Haleigh.
I'm sorry........I feel she is playing with Caylee and other little angels.

I REALLY hope and pray I am wrong!

[tequilla shots]

I agree with what you are saying. It not going to be a great situation, but i just dont like where this is going. the amount of time that has passed is just to much. with all the drugs and so crawling all opver this case, i will be pleasently surprised if it turns out on a good note.

I am correcting my bad spelling errors here:

What I intended to say is with all the drug allegations and sex offenders crawling all over this case I will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out good. Please forgive me for not paying better attention to what I am doing.

[radio]

Haleigh will not be found and no arrests will be made.

[Kat]

I am starting to think the same thing Radio. She's not going to be found.

[tfrohning]

I think she would be found but not alive sadly.
there to much focus on the family lifestyle instead of the search effort.
but I feel they will not be arrest. from what I am seeing they question the SO and said ok they said they had nothing to do with Haliegh missing let move on.

[Lexington]

Haleigh will not be found and no arrests will be made.

I am very very close to agreeing with you. Not all the way there yet. I don't think that Haleigh is alive and I don't think she is the victim of a SO, revenge kidnapper, or miscellaneous neighbor or friend of the family. So, what does that leave?

[BloodHoundSleuther]

The odds of a safe return are not in the cards. To much time has passed and I have serious doubts about Misty's cousin, JO. I don't believe this has anything to do with the bio mom. There are too many circumstances that point to the cousin, his past reputation, the fight over the gun, the alleged abuse Misty suffered at his hands, the mysterious moved van, the scratches on the van, the fact that he was staying with the sister in law and Misty's brother when Haleigh went missing. Just isn't lookiong good! Although, I really hope I'm wrong.

[titanfan62702]

There was another case in St Louis where a stranger hid one boy for quite some time. I don't remember the details, but seems like he was caught when he grabbed the 2nd boy.
As far as I remember, both were fine.

On this case, though, I agree. If she's found alive and well, it will be a major miracle. I heard the "Joe" had been found and "cleared" but am still leaning to someone connected with Misty. I'm guessing she has more than one cousin. I also keep thinking Misty has a "friend" that "visited" that night.

[TxLady2]

I am praying that she is alive, but very afraid that she is not. The more time has passed, the less the chances, depending on who took her.
I don't even want to consider the possibiltity that someone in the family has killed this child. Ron and Crystal might both have their faults, but I don't believe either one is capable of murdering their own child, even accidentally. And I seriously doubt Misty would, she just doesn't seem that type. But it could be someone one of them knows, it could be someone who watched and waited for the right time.. or it could have been a stranger... I just don't know.
I pray for Haleigh every night, before I go to sleep. All these little missing children... it's so sad and so wrong!!

[Issi]

I'm trying really really hard to be optimistic.... but there's still a feeling of defeat that nags at me.

I keep thinking of Elizabeth Smart, and how she escaped her captors after months in captivity... but Florida doesn't seem to have a high population of semi-cult leader nutjobs like Utah has. Just um... oh nevermind.

[SoSueMe]

I don't think she'll be found alive. With all the crime and drugs in that family, I think it's time for some more questioning. If the father was a part of a drug subculture they need to find out the people involved in it, and start questioning them too... He said he's 75% sure who did it, and I believe him...

The father is 75% sure who did what? Statements like this really bother me in missing child cases and HE has bothered me since day one. As to the poll, sadly, no, I do not think there will be a safe return of Haleigh.

JMO-Sue

[Emeralgem]

IMHO.. Chances of a safe return are slim to none...

[titanfan62702]

The best chance for a safe return would be if someone connected with Crystal has taken the child believing she needs to be protected. That would leave a big question as to why JR was not taken too.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is the case. Any other scenerio leaves me with slim chance of positive ending.

[not_my_kids]

Her chances were slim already when she was reported...at this point, as far as I am concerned, I hope they eventually find her remains, because I am sure that's all that's left.

[Donjeta]

The best chance for a safe return would be if someone connected with Crystal has taken the child believing she needs to be protected. That would leave a big question as to why JR was not taken too.


*If* it happened that way the abduction might have been disturbed in the middle although the intention was to get both children. Maybe Misty waking up or Jr making a noise, as Shaymus suggested in another thread. But I don't know how likely it is; wouldn't LE have discovered a relative or a close friend who is unaccounted for?

[krimekat]

There was another case in St Louis where a stranger hid one boy for quite some time. I don't remember the details, but seems like he was caught when he grabbed the 2nd boy.
As far as I remember, both were fine.

On this case, though, I agree. If she's found alive and well, it will be a major miracle. I heard the "Joe" had been found and "cleared" but am still leaning to someone connected with Misty. I'm guessing she has more than one cousin. I also keep thinking Misty has a "friend" that "visited" that night.

I live in StL -- the perp had the 2nd boy for almost a week . . . had shawn hornbeck for 1558 days -- I would not say shawn & his family are "fine" but Praise God shawn & ben were found alive. http://www.shawnhornbeck.com/

The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation has been dissolved by the State because of paperwork problems, but its members continue to pursue their mission of finding missing children.

[krimekat]

IMHO.. Chances of a safe return are slim to none...

my exact thought! I am concerned with RC indicating he knows who took her :mad:

[LunaticFringe]

Is there any possibility that the disappearance of Haleigh was something concocted by Ron or Crystal in the hopes of profiting off of it?

Could Haleigh be somewhere with someone who is also looking towards financial gain at some point?

As twisted as it sounds I'd like for that to be the case as long as she is alive,and has been well taken care of.

The Caylee Anthony case could have been what started the snow ball effect.Grandparents getting donations,free trips....etc...which made one of them set the course.

I know..sounds crazy..but the way people are today it wouldn't surprise me at all.

[passionflower]

As time passes and I see the behavior of Rc and his new wife..............I feel something awful happened EARLY that evening 8-10 pm??? and someone helped someone dispose of the baby........MOO
So many small crimes in this story just add up to 1 huge one IMOO

[Becky319]

I can not get beyond the fact that if RC thought he knew who took this precious girl they would be beat to a bloody pulp or worse by now, I do not see RC as someone who would put up with "knowing" and not doing anything about it. I do pray that she is found alive, it would be a miracle.

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Is there any possibility that the disappearance of Haleigh was something concocted by Ron or Crystal in the hopes of profiting off of it?

Could Haleigh be somewhere with someone who is also looking towards financial gain at some point?

As twisted as it sounds I'd like for that to be the case as long as she is alive,and has been well taken care of.

The Caylee Anthony case could have been what started the snow ball effect.Grandparents getting donations,free trips....etc...which made one of them set the course.

I know..sounds crazy..but the way people are today it wouldn't surprise me at all.

I thought of this too, especially considering Haleigh disappeared on the day of Caylee's memorial. From the Caylee case lots of money was made, lots of publicity too. I wondered at first if this was some type of copy cat crime. If it is, I don't think it was thought of or fueled by RC. Misty is young and impressionable, it's a possibility. Possibly the bio mom, but then again, if Haleigh was safe, then the perpatrators most likely be found out in the end.

[concentric]

Slim chance she may be found alive, but certainly not "well." I can't believe the amount of time it is taking to find her. If they can't find her, she was probably murdered--I thought law enforcement was more knowledgeable and equipped to find missing children quickly. I guess not.

I keep having this nagging thought about the rr tracks: Has LE searched the entire length of those tracks for a body?

[Annie]

Slim chance she may be found alive, but certainly not "well." I can't believe the amount of time it is taking to find her. If they can't find her, she was probably murdered--I thought law enforcement was more knowledgeable and equipped to find missing children quickly. I guess not.

I keep having this nagging thought about the rr tracks: Has LE searched the entire length of those tracks for a body?

I still think there is a very small chance she could be found alive. It was almost two months before Shasta Groene was found after her family was killed and she and her brother were kidnapped. She had to endure some horrible things during that time including seeing her brother killed. But until a body is found I think we can have some hope.

[Inana]

Have a pretty good hunch that she was dead before she was ever reported missing. Florida seems to be a good place to leave a body. Nature reclaims it quickly.
jmo.

[Inana]

Slim chance she may be found alive, but certainly not "well." I can't believe the amount of time it is taking to find her. If they can't find her, she was probably murdered--I thought law enforcement was more knowledgeable and equipped to find missing children quickly. I guess not.

I keep having this nagging thought about the rr tracks: Has LE searched the entire length of those tracks for a body?

You know, me too. Now, the scratch down the drivers side of the van appears to me to be about the same height as the guard rails on roads that are close to RR tracks and bridges. And it is deep enough that it had to be something solidly stationary, like a guard rail. I've tried to google earth the area where the RR tracks cross Buffalo Bluff Rd. Can't get close enough. Hmmm.

[winterrose]

I actually got some hope today in hearing the 8 yo boy's abduction.He was taken from his home,no sign of forced entry,dropped off about a mile from home and no harm done to him.I am wondering if this wasn't a deterrent to Haleigh being missing,maybe supposedly like a copycat situation,but boy wasn't harmed.It almost leads me to believe more that Haleigh was taken and hidden and someone is trying to make everyone believe there's a serial kidnapper.Well,if it was the same person,would the boy be found alive and unharmed?This is very odd,even though the abductor did it with no forced entry and while parents were sleeping,he still was careless in letting the boy identify him with tats,toolbox and even the dog.