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Imbackon
12-22-2009, 10:57 PM
I would agree, but IIRC Valhalla's research put Casey at her parents home on the night the page was created. And the IP is assigned by the internet provider you use - not email account (although that information can oobviously help as well).
Oh yeah, forgot that. Unless you have wi-fi nearby right? I know that makes the odds slimmer of course, but who knows? I live in a downtown condo, where even the coffee shops' nearby is available and open, but I know it is not the same as the burbs. I have friends that use their neighbors when their IP is slow though. Just a thought.
At this point I lean toward a hijacked account but keeping an open mind, and would love nothing better than for this to be true since I believe her guilty.
rhornsby
12-22-2009, 10:59 PM
Since this case is essentially an on-going investigation, I don't think we would know whether LE checked into this or not. But I do believe they have. JMO.
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
sumbunny
12-22-2009, 11:01 PM
casey seemed intelligent with computers. I know there is a way to I.P mask. Think she'd bother to go the extra mile and cover her tracks? ~nah~
LittleBitty35
12-22-2009, 11:01 PM
Oh yeah, forgot that. Unless you have wi-fi nearby right? I know that makes the odds slimmer of course, but who knows? I live in a downtown condo, where even the coffee shops' nearby is available and open, but I know it is not the same as the burbs. I have friends that use their neighbors when their IP is slow though. Just a thought.
At this point I lean toward a hijacked account but keeping an open mind, and would love nothing better than for this to be true since I believe her guilty.
One thing we do know is that KC is not Vince Young. J/K
But I would imagine that LE has her texts, internet postings (though some doubt could be attributed based on people living within the home) already investigated. JMO. I think they have her number and can narrow down stuff based on that.
Reagan
12-22-2009, 11:13 PM
Isn't Lee's middle name "Alex"ander? Just something to think about? I don't know whether or not it is a hacker but I could see where someone close to Casey would have gotten access to the password and decided to tamper with it. Nothing any of her supporters do surprises me.
I think Cindy's dad is also named Alex. Caylee's great grandfather who was one of the last faces she saw before her disguisting mom took her innocent life.
cecybeans
12-23-2009, 12:16 AM
I would agree, but IIRC Valhalla's research put Casey at her parents home on the night the page was created. And the IP is assigned by the internet provider you use - not email account (although that information can oobviously help as well).
IIRC, the page was created during the daytime on 6-16, certainly within the window that KC was there, so I'd suspect it was the Anthony family IP addy.
I supposed we'd have to assume that a great deal of her internet activity from then on took place at other addys, most likely wireless connections at her friends or some hot spot during the day.
Some speculation has occurred as to the address of the final access. Tracy M in her depo mentioned observing KC using a computer at JB's office, so we know that was not a privilege she was denied. Folks on the thread (and by that, I mean people who are far more tech savvy than most of us and know enough to be considered experts comparatively) have figured that KC may have had enough time after her indictment and before she showed up at OCSO to have accessed it, either at JB's office or through a mobile device in CA's car during her version of the Bronco incident.
I don't use mobile devices to access social network accounts, so I'm not sure how telecom carrier servers manage assigning temporary IPs from a roaming situation or if it's even recorded that way and not simply tagged as a mobile device. But I imagine it could be discovered if necessary.
cecybeans
12-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
Well, if Morgan is using this info as fodder for his civil suit, would that still apply? How about if the FBI was doing the investigation?
RR0004
12-23-2009, 12:35 AM
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
Does the same hold true for the FBI?
RR0004
12-23-2009, 12:36 AM
Well, if Morgan is using this info as fodder for his civil suit, would that still apply? How about if the FBI was doing the investigation?
Not fair...I didn't see your post! LOL
LMTA
RR0004
12-23-2009, 12:38 AM
casey seemed intelligent with computers. I know there is a way to I.P mask. Think she'd bother to go the extra mile and cover her tracks? ~nah~
Which reminds me...why did they all contribute this info...that Casey was good with computers? Weird, weird, weird family.
JBean
12-23-2009, 12:42 AM
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
This is very helpful information, thank you. When you say, "While it is possible they are withholding the information" how would they be able to do that and then use the information at trial if they should have revealed it by now?
kew17
12-23-2009, 01:26 AM
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
My question about this "ongoing investigation" rule is if it only applies to pre-indictment cases, how would all the continued testing that we see notes and records from dating after Jan 1, 2009 be able to be used in trial when she was indicted in Oct. 2008?
I mean new information comes to light everyday. New witness' come forward etc. This information would need to be investigated, right?
rhornsby
12-23-2009, 07:35 AM
This is very helpful information, thank you. When you say, "While it is possible they are withholding the information" how would they be able to do that and then use the information at trial if they should have revealed it by now?
Well, there is the law and then there is the interpretation of the law.
The agencies, I believe, can insist the information is released through the State Attorney - but the State Attorney insisted the defense get the information directly from the agencies (remember the drama over this).
Another wrinkle, you can't force a scientist to release his/her results until the tests are done. Thus the delay.
A final wrinkle, until a public citizen files a lawsuit to enforce the public records law, what do the agencies care if they release the information at their leisure.
Phumi
12-23-2009, 08:44 AM
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
Maybe the ongoing investigation is for a different crime (that is pre-indictment):Like obstruction of justice for a family member. Would it have to be released then?
jade78
12-23-2009, 08:51 AM
Put Zenaida Dora the explorer in myspace search {search all myspace}
You get a 12yr old named Zenaida!!
reeseeva
12-23-2009, 08:58 AM
Well, there is the law and then there is the interpretation of the law.
The agencies, I believe, can insist the information is released through the State Attorney - but the State Attorney insisted the defense get the information directly from the agencies (remember the drama over this).
Another wrinkle, you can't force a scientist to release his/her results until the tests are done. Thus the delay.
A final wrinkle, until a public citizen files a lawsuit to enforce the public records law, what do the agencies care if they release the information at their leisure.
BBM
I have always wondered about this, and exactly how long before a trial, can they withhold info, that would be admissable at trial?
TIA
P.S. So thankful you are part of this wonderful group, I look for this thread everyday!
WolfmarsGirl
12-23-2009, 11:22 AM
casey seemed intelligent with computers. I know there is a way to I.P mask. Think she'd bother to go the extra mile and cover her tracks? ~nah~
I think she would and could.
I mean, look at what she could do with bank accounts and credit cards; she was able to steal freely simply by knowing the numbers on accounts. Who the heck can do that???
And, she was just a kid. A very, very scary kid...
nitasch
12-23-2009, 02:42 PM
Reagan,
There was supposed to be a pony or horse found with the remains, but I've not seen anything released on that since it was first stated.
Yes, Dora has ponies. But the references between the two are speculative at best since we haven't seen pictures of the toy horse found at the scene.
If I remember correctly, very very early on when the first interviews were released, there was a discussion here about the backpack that GA stated he saw Caylee with the last time he saw her. It was a back pack with monkeys on it.
It was discussed here that the Dora back pack has her monkey friend on it (don't remember his name)
But of course that is speculation as well.
I do not find it a stretch for KC to use the Dora picture if in fact she did create this page, but it was more to fool CA and GA....I don't think she thought far enough ahead to realize that law enforcement would get so involved. It is my opinion that she believed she could pull the story telling routine and fool the police as she had obviously done her whole life with her parents.
I have to admit Val, when I first read this theory of yours, I dismissed it. But the more discovery that is released, the less I believe in coincidences.
I would love to know what on earth that woman police officer took from CA the wee morning of the 16th when LA brought KC's belongings from TL's place. LA stated it looked like an old drivers license or identification, and the police woman thought it interesting enough to immediately take it from CA..
That item may be nothing, or it may be something huge!
On edit, GREAT job on all the research people! Especially you Val, you have the absolute best timeline I have seen to date in this case.
Oakley
12-23-2009, 03:07 PM
If I remember correctly, very very early on when the first interviews were released, there was a discussion here about the backpack that GA stated he saw Caylee with the last time he saw her. It was a back pack with monkeys on it.
It was discussed here that the Dora back pack has her monkey friend on it (don't remember his name)
But of course that is speculation as well.
I do not find it a stretch for KC to use the Dora picture if in fact she did create this page, but it was more to fool CA and GA....I don't think she thought far enough ahead to realize that law enforcement would get so involved. It is my opinion that she believed she could pull the story telling routine and fool the police as she had obviously done her whole life with her parents.
I have to admit Val, when I first read this theory of yours, I dismissed it. But the more discovery that is released, the less I believe in coincidences.
I would love to know what on earth that woman police officer took from CA the wee morning of the 16th when LA brought KC's belongings from TL's place. LA stated it looked like an old drivers license or identification, and the police woman thought it interesting enough to immediately take it from CA..
That item may be nothing, or it may be something huge!
On edit, GREAT job on all the research people! Especially you Val, you have the absolute best timeline I have seen to date in this case.
BBM - His name is Boots. :smile:
nitasch
12-23-2009, 03:11 PM
BBM - His name is Boots. :smile:
THANK YOU! I put that on my list of things that are going to bug the daylights out of me till I find out....(crossing that one off thanks to lacey) :woohoo:
nitasch
12-23-2009, 03:25 PM
One more thing in regards to the new activity.
With the passwords, email addresses etc coming out in discovery over the past year plus, it would not be a huge stretch for a hacker type, or just a curious person with a little time on their hands to figure out what KC would have used as an easy to remember email and password for this account. Maybe that is the first one she used timer55 on...???
Now the email is a little harder, because she would have created a new one...if she was smart..but what if she didn't? What if she used one of her obscure email addy's? I have 12 email accounts two I look at once a month.
If this was not a high profile case, and if it were not illegal to hack into someones account, AND if I had enough time, I think I could have gotten into it with a little work.
Of course, it could also be someone loosely connected to the defense (friend or relative out of state) who was given the login info so they could get in there and change something to throw Val, WSr's and LE off the trail??? Make it seem like the theory is mute???
I only hope LE has taken a few minutes to read the work that has been done, and followed up on it. They took countless hours trying to make the "Zani" (nanny) connection to drug use.
cyberborg
12-23-2009, 03:28 PM
I think she would and could.
I mean, look at what she could do with bank accounts and credit cards; she was able to steal freely simply by knowing the numbers on accounts. Who the heck can do that???
And, she was just a kid. A very, very scary kid...
Hmmm .... all petty stuff.
KC was adept at the social networking sites but I don't see her as someone who would be capable enough to hide her identity, via a proxy or anonymous server -- never mind think that far. If she did try to wipe her laptop she did a trivial thing that does nothing. She only has basic skills.
KC did some petty check forgery but she was just lucky, that she could pass bad checks when even signing her own name on them ... doh!!! ... as well as presenting herself at the bank to get caught on video ... doh!!!
KC is not that smart else she wouldn't think it a clever lie about the SIM card swapping, etc, etc, etc. She wasn't destined for a life of crime before getting completely busted by someone outside of the family.
EVERY lie took LE very little effort to debunk and prove as a lie .... KC was lazy and just not used to getting called out and checked up on -- her parents had given up on that, especially after GA got chewed for checking on Sports Authority.......
KC was totally over-confident and in-experienced .... I do think she created this MySpace page with the goal of hoodwinking her parents ..... she got distracted by TL though and the Bella Vita. Living life at 10 minutes at a time, good idea at the time, completely forgotten.
Her 2008 Student of Crime Report states, Must Work Harder at Alibi, Needs to Focus.
Just Jayla
12-23-2009, 04:34 PM
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
BBM-Just to be clear on my end, I do not know who JWG & Valhall's sources were or if they worked directly for LE. They clarified as much as they could about that earlier in this thread.
Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).
While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.
To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.
The "inside source" did not claim they were withholding the information. The only thing we were told is that the website was investigated and the IP address does not correspond to anyone or anyplace related to KC (I won't go further into the details). Thus, if an investigation was done and it appears exculpatory, I would expect to see documentation in the near future.
Muzikman
12-23-2009, 06:12 PM
Hmmm .... all petty stuff.
KC was adept at the social networking sites but I don't see her as someone who would be capable enough to hide her identity, via a proxy or anonymous server -- never mind think that far. If she did try to wipe her laptop she did a trivial thing that does nothing. She only has basic skills.
KC did some petty check forgery but she was just lucky, that she could pass bad checks when even signing her own name on them ... doh!!! ... as well as presenting herself at the bank to get caught on video ... doh!!!
KC is not that smart else she wouldn't think it a clever lie about the SIM card swapping, etc, etc, etc. She wasn't destined for a life of crime before getting completely busted by someone outside of the family.
EVERY lie took LE very little effort to debunk and prove as a lie .... KC was lazy and just not used to getting called out and checked up on -- her parents had given up on that, especially after GA got chewed for checking on Sports Authority.......
KC was totally over-confident and in-experienced .... I do think she created this MySpace page with the goal of hoodwinking her parents ..... she got distracted by TL though and the Bella Vita. Living life at 10 minutes at a time, good idea at the time, completely forgotten.
Her 2008 Student of Crime Report states, Must Work Harder at Alibi, Needs to Focus.
BBM - I have to disagree with the bolded part. There are a number of websites, some free, that allow you to go through them as a proxy server. You don't really have to know how to do it when using one of those websites.
Seems to me that if it was Casey that had the foresight to set up this page, she'd at least have the foresight to use a proxy website to do it. Especially since it looks like it was only logged into a few times at most.
Would be interesting to see the IP addresses used to access it a few days ago, versus the IP addy's used to set it up originally.
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cyberborg
12-23-2009, 07:30 PM
BBM - I have to disagree with the bolded part. There are a number of websites, some free, that allow you to go through them as a proxy server. You don't really have to know how to do it when using one of those websites.
Seems to me that if it was Casey that had the foresight to set up this page, she'd at least have the foresight to use a proxy website to do it. Especially since it looks like it was only logged into a few times at most.
Would be interesting to see the IP addresses used to access it a few days ago, versus the IP addy's used to set it up originally.
.
I agree that they are free and easy to use -- but respectfully disagree on foresight. KC would have had to also create an email account not associated with her, also easy to do.
However, KC would have had to use the 'anonymizer' for setup of the Web mail and MySpace and subsequent accesses to them ..... yet I understood there was association between the Zenaida MySpace alerts and her own cell phone.
I don't agree that KC would go to the extremes of hiding her Internet access to this level since, if true, her goal was to fool her parents not LE or FBI. JMO.
ETA: Of course if I am wrong then it does jive with JWG's comment on the IP not being anything significant connecting to KC.
Just Jayla
12-24-2009, 01:04 PM
BBM - I have to disagree with the bolded part. There are a number of websites, some free, that allow you to go through them as a proxy server. You don't really have to know how to do it when using one of those websites.
Seems to me that if it was Casey that had the foresight to set up this page, she'd at least have the foresight to use a proxy website to do it. Especially since it looks like it was only logged into a few times at most.
Would be interesting to see the IP addresses used to access it a few days ago, versus the IP addy's used to set it up originally.
.
Can a MySpace be set up through a cell phone IP? Including the avatar?
RR0004
12-24-2009, 03:58 PM
Well, it seems that RH is questioning the hard work of many here. On one hand he says that we are a great forum...with the other he says...well read it for yourself:
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/
I'm bumping up this thread in hope that he comes to read. There's 25 pages that involved many more than the person he seems to have a personal vendetta against. WS does great work. That should not be lost in this "war" he's waging.
PS- I have no idea how to tag...so if someone can help with that...please do.
JBean
12-24-2009, 05:09 PM
Well, it seems that RH is questioning the hard work of many here. On one hand he says that we are a great forum...with the other he says...well read it for yourself:
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/
I'm bumping up this thread in hope that he comes to read. There's 25 pages that involved many more than the person he seems to have a personal vendetta against. WS does great work. That should not be lost in this "war" he's waging.
PS- I have no idea how to tag...so if someone can help with that...please do.
I think this was discussed with him earlier in the thread.
Merry Christmas RR :)
RR0004
12-24-2009, 05:16 PM
I think this was discussed with him earlier in the thread.
Merry Christmas RR :)
This is brand new if I'm not mistaken. (I didn't know if I could link.)
I just posted greetings on another thread...just for you! What a sweetie you are!!
oxoxoxoxo
ETA: you switched threads...LOL Not like I'm senile enough. No...his latest comments were not pertaining to ZG...but related to our mysterious T. Black.
JBean
12-24-2009, 05:20 PM
This is brand new if I'm not mistaken. (I didn't know if I could link.)
I just posted greetings on another thread...just for you! What a sweetie you are!!
oxoxoxoxo
ETA: you switched threads...LOL Not like I'm senile enough. No...his latest comments were not pertaining to ZG...but related to our mysterious T. Black.oh my bad. I saw 25 pages and thought it was the same 25 pages.
We have pulled the t Black threads for review right now, so lets hang on and see if rhornsby comes back before we go there again.
Thanks! Now I am going to see if we were posting our greetings at the same time . :)
AZlawyer
12-25-2009, 05:02 PM
The "inside source" did not claim they were withholding the information. The only thing we were told is that the website was investigated and the IP address does not correspond to anyone or anyplace related to KC (I won't go further into the details). Thus, if an investigation was done and it appears exculpatory, I would expect to see documentation in the near future.
I don't think it would be considered "exculpatory" that someone named Zenaida might actually exist in Southern Florida who likes Dora the Explorer. As we found out early in this case, Zenaida is not a rare name in that area, and KC never even suggested that Zenaida (as opposed to Caylee) liked Dora. I think it would just be considered irrelevant.
The World According
12-26-2009, 06:24 AM
Mega thanks Val for your amazing, tireless work. Do we know if LE also took Lee's laptop if indeed he had one. I take mine everywhere in my satchel, lots of times friends borrow it for a sec to check their e mails or whatever. If he had his at the Anthony family home she would have helped herself without even asking permission I assume. I didn't see that asked at all in the depos or if any of their cell phones had internet capabilities, or did I miss those questions? Just because it isn't showing up on mom and pop's desktop or Cindy/Casey's laptop....does not mean there weren't other computers in that home at any given moment, right?
Valhall
12-26-2009, 07:35 AM
TWA,
No - we've seen nothing on LA's computers at all. We have not seen anything on ISP logs for the Anthonys, Lee or Tony either. I have a couple of theories on why we haven't:
1. The Anthonys' and Lee's ISP logs and other computer information - I speculate the defense already has them because the Anthony family has willingly provided or agreed to have them released to the defense team. Therefore they won't be requesting them from the state.
2. Tony - I'm not real sure how long this would take. According to how Tony's internet service was provided this could be the equivalent of a needle in a haystack. If Tony's apartment complex offers internet service he would most likely have a dynamic IP address and his log would be part of a massive amount of activity from the same apartment complex. Picking out his apartment's activity could range from astronomical to impossible! Maybe some one else more experienced in apartment internet service set-up could explain if there is some efficient way for them to delineate activity from Tony's apartment versus the other units in the complex. I'm just not sure on that.
Val,
We did see ISP and IP information as part of the Photobucket release early this year. Many Photobucket IPs were connected to an account owned by Cameron, Tony's roommate. Similarly, we learned the Anthony IP was actually registered in Lee's name.
FWIW...
Valhall
12-26-2009, 11:19 AM
Yep, I know that, JWG. I'm talking about total ISP activity logs. The things that were not connected with a particular online account, but the Anthony/Casey/Lee online activity logs.
Georgia PI
12-26-2009, 01:08 PM
Has anyone checked the signature on the ticket that ZG got with Casey's signature on one of the documents to see if they match.
Just wondering.
Valhall
12-26-2009, 07:50 PM
Has anyone checked the signature on the ticket that ZG got with Casey's signature on one of the documents to see if they match.
Just wondering.
Yes, that was looked at...it really doesn't match.
MD MOMMY
12-26-2009, 09:00 PM
I think she would and could.
I mean, look at what she could do with bank accounts and credit cards; she was able to steal freely simply by knowing the numbers on accounts. Who the heck can do that???
And, she was just a kid. A very, very scary kid...
I'm confused. I see nothing wise she did here while stealing..nothing that any person with 1/2 a brain could do. I mean she signed her own name on Amy's check..duh. Maybe I'm missing something?
MD MOMMY
12-26-2009, 09:01 PM
Yes, that was looked at...it really doesn't match.
No not at all. KC has bubbly larger style handwriting. The singnature on the check was slanted and small.
kew17
12-26-2009, 11:58 PM
TWA,
No - we've seen nothing on LA's computers at all. We have not seen anything on ISP logs for the Anthonys, Lee or Tony either. I have a couple of theories on why we haven't:
1. The Anthonys' and Lee's ISP logs and other computer information - I speculate the defense already has them because the Anthony family has willingly provided or agreed to have them released to the defense team. Therefore they won't be requesting them from the state.
2. Tony - I'm not real sure how long this would take. According to how Tony's internet service was provided this could be the equivalent of a needle in a haystack. If Tony's apartment complex offers internet service he would most likely have a dynamic IP address and his log would be part of a massive amount of activity from the same apartment complex. Picking out his apartment's activity could range from astronomical to impossible! Maybe some one else more experienced in apartment internet service set-up could explain if there is some efficient way for them to delineate activity from Tony's apartment versus the other units in the complex. I'm just not sure on that.
Hey Val,
Have managing apts. for years, however, never in Florida. Here in Texas, when apts advertise they have internet, they typically mean that either they have a business center avail to residents to fax, copy, surf etc and/or they have services avail. I've never heard of apts providing internet services to each individual apartment in the community at their expense. Cable TV maybe, but due to the exact reason you cited, that's a ball of wax they won't want to get into. They have hookups only, but you have to get your own provider.
Like I said, this is only how I've seen it done here, not sure what happens in Florida. I don't see how they'd do it.
Valhall
12-27-2009, 06:36 AM
My daughter is going to school right now and she is living in an off-campus college focused apartment. The apartment complex supplies internet - it's part of the total apartment charge. She pays other utilities, but the internet is part of the rent.
With Tony's apartment being just off campus for Full Sail, it could very well be the same. I am certain (at least for the property management company that owns the complex my daughter is in - a company than owns "off-campus college housing" across the U.S.) this is probably an amenity offered in many near campus apartment complexes. After all, every college student these days is going to at least want - but more likely need - an internet connection.
BeanE
12-27-2009, 06:48 AM
My daughter is going to school right now and she is living in an off-campus college focused apartment. The apartment complex supplies internet - it's part of the total apartment charge. She pays other utilities, but the internet is part of the rent.
With Tony's apartment being just off campus for Full Sail, it could very well be the same. I am certain (at least for the property management company that owns the complex my daughter is in - a company than owns "off-campus college housing" across the U.S.) this is probably an amenity offered in many near campus apartment complexes. After all, every college student these days is going to at least want - but more likely need - an internet connection.
It appears that internet access is an amenity offered by Tony's apartment complex, Sutton Place.
http://www.forrent.com/apartment-community-profile/1005970.php?origref=http%3A//www.google.com/search%3Fsource%3Dig%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SKPB_enU S340%26q%3Dsutton+place+apartments+university+blvd +fl%26aq%3Df%26oq%3D%26aqi%3D&alias=http%3A//www.forrent.com/apartment-community-profile/1005970.php
(I happened to have that link handy because on another thread we wanted to know if he had a garbage disposal lol.)
Tuffy
12-27-2009, 09:01 AM
It appears that internet access is an amenity offered by Tony's apartment complex, Sutton Place.
http://www.forrent.com/apartment-community-profile/1005970.php?origref=http%3A//www.google.com/search%3Fsource%3Dig%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1R2SKPB_enU S340%26q%3Dsutton+place+apartments+university+blvd +fl%26aq%3Df%26oq%3D%26aqi%3D&alias=http%3A//www.forrent.com/apartment-community-profile/1005970.php
(I happened to have that link handy because on another thread we wanted to know if he had a garbage disposal lol.)
Many apartment complexes in Dallas offer internet access as a service provided by management. More and more of them offer it now in order to compete with each other for tenents.
A place I used to live in had free wireless access.
kew17
12-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Great information! I should probably pull my head out of the sand and get with the times. lol By the way, my post should have said, "I HAVEN'T managed apts in years"! :blushing::blushing:
nitasch
12-28-2009, 03:59 PM
Ok....after reading all the items and comments I could find regarding this theory, (KC posed as Zeneida) I think it is possible, since we know the "Real Zani" does not exist. BUT, I think that the Zeneida that received the ticket should be removed from the theory.
RH has provided the copies of the tickets etc. on his site. To me the proof this Zeneida was NOT KC, is the fact that she spoke spanish. Yes, one could play dumb and act like they do not speak english to a cop, but would have a very hard time getting through a conversation with a spanish speaking cop that showed up on scene. CA stated that KC spoke "spanglish" which is english with a few spanish words tossed in for effect.... like "Casa de Anthony"
That brought up another question though....why did the old ticket of KC's suddenly come up prosecutorial after she was arrested if it had nothing to do with KC posing as Zeneida in the recent ticket......well, I still believe that the identification card that was taken from CA the morning of the 16th with explain that. JMO
So, in my suspicious mind....Val's theory of KC being Zeneida...is still very possible, but the ticketed Zeneida is of no value in the theory.
WolfmarsGirl
12-29-2009, 08:57 PM
I'm confused. I see nothing wise she did here while stealing..nothing that any person with 1/2 a brain could do. I mean she signed her own name on Amy's check..duh. Maybe I'm missing something?
I could be wrong, but I thought she created a new check or something from her grandmother's account simply by having the account number from a small birthday check given to KC.
I don't know where to find this info. I only know I saw it somewhere. Maybe she did it to Lee too? Or Cindy? My brain is fuzzy, lol.
The point is, you could give me all of your account numbers and I would have no clue how to write myself checks based on that information.
Without copying the entire thread, here is a post I just put up that could be interpreted as KC possibly experimenting with the spoofed Myspace page idea as early as March, 2008.
Imbackon
12-29-2009, 11:43 PM
I could be wrong, but I thought she created a new check or something from her grandmother's account simply by having the account number from a small birthday check given to KC.
I don't know where to find this info. I only know I saw it somewhere. Maybe she did it to Lee too? Or Cindy? My brain is fuzzy, lol.
The point is, you could give me all of your account numbers and I would have no clue how to write myself checks based on that information.
I think this was done with an electronic deposit iirc.
I don't know if this is what she used to gain access online to grandma's account, then send herself an electronic payment, or what.
The only time I have ever used a routing number was using MY account to transfer to someone elses bank. So maybe she had Grandma's online information. Possible CA's name was associated with the account and KC knew the password or figured it out.
One way to do this would be if NO ONLINE ACCESS was set up for grandma's account. All KC would have to do would be to register using any email she wanted, put in the account info, and a couple of other pieces of information and the account would be hers for the taking.
Of course you get caught this way, but seems KC didn't worry about this detail.
cloud
12-29-2009, 11:47 PM
Look at this myspace account:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=389838213
It was created on 06/16/08 - the last day Caylee was seen alive. It was last accessed on 10/14/08 - the day the grand jury indicted KC for murder and she was returned to jail for the last time.
Sign - Pisces. (KC's birthday is 3/19)
Location: Miami, FL (KC kept emphasizing to LA - "definitely Miami" as a place to look for ZG)
Pic: Dora the Explorer doll
What's significant about Dora? The evidence found at the scene of the remains states a backpack with "adorable" was found. That's a Dora the Explorer aDORAble backpack...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dora-The-Explorer-Adorable-Backpack/dp/B000NWGANQ
GA stated the last time he saw Caylee he thought she had a white backpack on with "monkeys" on it. Maybe it was white...maybe it was pink. But that aDORAble backpack has Dora's monkey on it.
A small plastic toy horse was found with the remains.
Pick which Dora pony you'd like to have:
http://www.fisher-price.com/fp.aspx?st=8640&e=ponies
It has been rumored that one of the reasons for the immediate search of the Anthony home after the remains were found was to match two items found at the crime scene that appeared to come from a set: the Winnie the Pooh blanket (Caylee's room and bed have Winnie the Pooh decorations and accessories) and "the set" from which the horse came from. Were they looking for the Dora doll?
Was KC doing activities on this myspace while she was hanging out at JB's office all day every day during her home confinement period? Was there more information on this page prior to her indictment and return to jail on 10/14? Did she wipe everything clean as her last activity on this myspace? The only way LE could find that out would be to confiscate computers in JB's office, or get a subpoena from myspace for this account and match it back to JB's IP.
I love reading your posts and theories. Your last paragraph in this one is really interesting... I've considered it, but never wrote about it.
As a matter of public record, I think we know that LA was busy on her laptop the night she was first arrested... So :waitasec: Someone at some point was trying to delete records... but they can't - not entirely. It would be very interesting indeed if JB's computer(s) data could be subpeoned.
JMHO
sleutherontheside
12-29-2009, 11:52 PM
I love reading your posts and theories. Your last paragraph in this one is really interesting... I've considered it, but never wrote about it.
As a matter of public record, I think we know that LA was busy on her laptop the night she was first arrested... So :waitasec: Someone at some point was trying to delete records... but they can't - not entirely. It would be very interesting indeed if JB's computer(s) data could be subpeoned.
JMHO
That sounds like a question for the Richard Hornsby thread. Hint Hint :angel:
cloud
12-30-2009, 12:10 AM
That sounds like a question for the Richard Hornsby thread. Hint Hint :angel:
Thanks.
Just Jayla
12-30-2009, 12:20 AM
Is it possible LE has kept this page open and is still considering it under investigation-Maybe they, too, have been watching this page to see if someone logs in, and have not passed it over to the defense because it is ongoing, unfinished, not ready to be entered into discovery or evidence.
Perhaps this would explain any crickets & silence we get if the media have asked for the public records on this.
ETA-This could also explain the story 'the source' had, that this was a Miami area ISP/IP....Initially, no match to what we wanted to see...that is what LE found preliminarily, a southern Florida IP, but that does not mean they stopped looking at this, or perhaps they passed over to FBI specialists.
Also, i think I'm repeating what Imbackon said a few pages back-It is still open, why else would we have seen nothing?
cecybeans
12-30-2009, 12:23 AM
I love reading your posts and theories. Your last paragraph in this one is really interesting... I've considered it, but never wrote about it.
As a matter of public record, I think we know that LA was busy on her laptop the night she was first arrested... So :waitasec: Someone at some point was trying to delete records... but they can't - not entirely. It would be very interesting indeed if JB's computer(s) data could be subpeoned.
JMHO
I'd love to know what is on those computers, but I'm sure we'll never see that. As apoplectic as JB was when DC was simply interviewed, calling for a special master and yelling privilege, he would go nuclear if anyone tried to get into his confidential files at work. It would look like Vesuvius went off in Orlando. I'm not sure a peripheral situation like this - interesting as it is to us - would prove critical enough in the case for the SA to even think about that. Using a subpoena to get records from another attorney would set a precedent and open a can of worms I'm sure the legal community in FL would not want visited on themselves. Maybe one of our in-residence attorneys could enlighten us on what kind of Act of God would be necessary to do that; I'd imagine it would have to be right up there with a national security issue.
Just Jayla
01-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Okay, I am a little green on this stuff, but maybe KC was using a tor network:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid14_gci1227940,00.html
Sorry if this has been discussed here in relation to KC possibly hiding her IP info, but is anyone here able to recognize the "flaws" in the MySpace application that can be caused due to the tor? The second article says there should be application flaws.
I know you can view all of the source info simply by right clicking anywhere on the Zenaida webpage, is there something in this source info that has been altered?
Geeks, help!
ETA-Or, could she have used Adblock or a proxy server, something of this nature-Will go back in this thread to check, but I'm just now getting into this point, and my brain hurts.
Just Jayla
01-02-2010, 11:55 PM
KC was using Firefox almost exclusively, yes? Don't want to lose track of the point of this thread, this is in reference to KC having possibly masked or onion networked her IP address using tor-Thing is, since "tor' was not in the search list we have seen, how can we tell if tor was there when she set up the MySpace?:
Warning: Want Tor to really work?
...then please don't just install it and go on. You need to change some of your habits, and reconfigure your software! Tor by itself is NOT all you need to maintain your anonymity. There are several major pitfalls to watch out for:
1.Tor only protects Internet applications that are configured to send their traffic through Tor — it doesn't magically anonymize all your traffic just because you install it. We recommend you use Firefox with the Torbutton extension. 2.Torbutton blocks browser plugins such as Java, Flash, ActiveX, RealPlayer, Quicktime, Adobe's PDF plugin, and others: they can be manipulated into revealing your IP address. For example, that means Youtube is disabled. If you really need your Youtube, you can reconfigure Torbutton to allow it; but be aware that you're opening yourself up to potential attack. Also, extensions like Google toolbar look up more information about the websites you type in: they may bypass Tor and/or broadcast sensitive information. Some people prefer using two browsers (one for Tor, one for unsafe browsing).
3.Beware of cookies: if you ever browse without Tor and a site gives you a cookie, that cookie could identify you even when you start using Tor again. Torbutton tries to handle your cookies safely. CookieCuller can help protect any cookies you do not want to lose.
4.Tor anonymizes the origin of your traffic, and it encrypts everything between you and the Tor network and everything inside the Tor network, but it can't encrypt your traffic between the Tor network and its final destination. If you are communicating sensitive information, you should use as much care as you would on the normal scary Internet — use HTTPS or other end-to-end encryption and authentication.
5.While Tor blocks attackers on your local network from discovering or influencing your destination, it opens new risks: malicious or misconfigured Tor exit nodes can send you the wrong page, or even send you embedded Java applets disguised as domains you trust. Be careful opening documents or applications you download through Tor, unless you've verified their integrity.
Be smart and learn more. Understand what Tor does and does not offer. This list of pitfalls isn't complete, and we need your help identifying and documenting all the issues.
Kimster
01-07-2010, 12:16 AM
We do not link to MySpace unless it is someone who is a suspect in a case. Thank you!
Valhall
01-10-2010, 10:51 PM
The Zenaida myspace was just logged on. The profile has been changed to read "zenaida debesa" under the display name.
I'm concluding this was not set up by Casey Anthony.
Just Jayla
01-10-2010, 11:21 PM
The Zenaida myspace was just logged on. The profile has been changed to read "zenaida debesa" under the display name.
I'm concluding this was not set up by Casey Anthony.
Ugh....Yet this idea is still hard to put to bed. Poo.
ETA-Okay, just in case I still have reservations, that maybe this is something to throw us off the scent, do we have to send this to the rumors thread now? I can't get over the dates on the page being coincidental :(
RR0004
01-10-2010, 11:32 PM
Ugh....Yet this idea is still hard to put to bed. Poo.
ETA-Okay, just in case I still have reservations, that maybe this is something to throw us off the scent, do we have to send this to the rumors thread now? I can't get over the dates on the page being coincidental :(
What's really weird is when I googled this name I got an entry for a S. Debesa along with a Z. Fernandez on classmates.com. You just can't make this stuff up!
RR0004
01-10-2010, 11:51 PM
I got something similar-I also couldn't find any public records on anyone with this name in Miami-Dade.
What are the odds? This is too freaky.
I did a 123people search and the only thing that pops up is the dora pic and a skull and crossbones pic.
cyberborg
01-11-2010, 12:43 AM
In Facebook, when you search Zenaida Debesa, it refers you to the clasmates.com w/ Zenaida Fernandez-Who graduated in 1979.
IIRC it was stated that some of KC's fictional friends were derived from combinations of names taken from former school members.
Despite recent MySpace activity it does not discount the theory per se since it is not fully active and does not look like it was a false start .... more that maybe some have used one of KC's many password combinations and are furtively toying with it. :twocents:
Valhall
01-11-2010, 06:21 AM
The only problem I have with the theory that these recent log-ins and subtle changes to the myspace might be to divert and confuse is this:
Why would anyone bother? If it had been created by Casey and could be used against her in her trial, it has long since been investigated, data collected, and will be entered as evidence. So it would be totally asinine to think that jacking with it now could make it go away based on the appearance it belongs to someone other than Casey.
And if it was just a hacker (unrelated to the Anthony family or Casey defense), why would they bother coming back on? I can see some hacker getting a kick out of cracking the account the first time in December, but I don't buy they would come back and log on a second time. There is no reason for it.
I can't come up with a logical reason for this being anyone other than the account holder.
TinaD
01-11-2010, 06:38 AM
Unless someone is reading here and decided to play mind games?
Valhall
01-11-2010, 06:53 AM
Unless someone is reading here and decided to play mind games?
True - and there are those out there who like those kind of games. But they sure are taking a big chance mucking around with a myspace that is clearly part of a murder investigation (even if it wasn't created by Casey it still has become part of a murder investigation) just for the purpose of getting the giggles.
Just Jayla
01-11-2010, 09:00 AM
The only problem I have with the theory that these recent log-ins and subtle changes to the myspace might be to divert and confuse is this:
Why would anyone bother? If it had been created by Casey and could be used against her in her trial, it has long since been investigated, data collected, and will be entered as evidence. So it would be totally asinine to think that jacking with it now could make it go away based on the appearance it belongs to someone other than Casey.
And if it was just a hacker (unrelated to the Anthony family or Casey defense), why would they bother coming back on? I can see some hacker getting a kick out of cracking the account the first time in December, but I don't buy they would come back and log on a second time. There is no reason for it.
I can't come up with a logical reason for this being anyone other than the account holder.
I know you're probably right....and I don't want to get into conspiracy theories, either-But if KC/someone close to her used a product like Tor, she might feel like she can skirt around the investigation outcome and hide the origination.
Trying to explain Tor to a jury could be like explaining the air testing of the trunk-A little confusing to a jury for the state to show that KC/LA/Someone was using an onion router.
Dunno, just will have to keep it in the back of my head in the old brain files.
It's Not the Nanny
01-11-2010, 09:27 AM
The coincidences in this case blow me away.
The only thing that still makes me want to believe it is KC is that this zenaida debesa set up a myspace in which the dates match perfectly.....then it isn't touched for over a year and her only "friends" appear to be sleuthers like us.
Any why a Dora picture???
Of course, maybe someone saw this on the blogs and alerted "zenaida" and she started using her myspace again.
Has Bond or any of the other friends tried to contact her and ask her any questions?
Valhall
01-11-2010, 12:32 PM
I had a reader on my blog (the dude on zenaida's friend list "pete") leave a comment that he had left messages to her and that to date he has gotten no response.
Tulessa
01-11-2010, 12:46 PM
The Zenaida myspace was just logged on. The profile has been changed to read "zenaida debesa" under the display name.
I'm concluding this was not set up by Casey Anthony.
Val, save that log in time and see if it corresponds with one of her Lawyer's visits. :) Can't hurt!
cecybeans
01-11-2010, 01:09 PM
If this was a "normal" case, in which family members had not stooped to obfuscating evidence and giving spin-terviews in the media which contradict everything they said prior to her arrest, if there wasn't a lot of hinkiness surrounding the PI, a possible "daisy chain" of info, and all other various and sundry kinds of murky mystery, if the defense attorney did not have such a poor ability to maintain a perception of decency or ethics, I might say this was all some giant coincidence.
But given the fact that family members have assisted KC in her cover up (often in ways that are sloppy or illogical and don't factor in LE's ability to arrive at the truth), that many have sought to profit from this, and that there seems to be an "end justifies the means" strategy with respect to this latest attempt to throw RK under the bus using a highly suspect "interview" with a disgruntled ex that did an abrupt about face - I can still hold out a modicum of space in my brain that this could be something more than a macabre coincidence.
We know that defense sympathizers read here and elsewhere, possibly some with family connections. If those types are trying to manage the case from the sidelines, it is entirely possible that they realize this would be the most damning piece of evidence so far because it is the only one that, if proven true, would indicate KC was thinking up an alibi BEFORE she committed the crime, which speaks to premeditated murder and eliminates both a SODDI defense as well as an accidental death. If this were true, it could be the one thing that would negate LWOP and keep the DP right on the table at sentencing time. Given what we have seen her defense team willing to do, I just wouldn't put it past anyone to have not alerted KC and gotten the info from her to manage this as well. Yes, the odds are looking worse, but I don't think they have completely disappeared.
I have two different (but not entirely unique!) theories of what is happening.
1. The recent name change could represent a marriage. She might have recently gotten married...
or
2. Casey has the possibility to correspond with whomever she wishes. (Even according to George in his "microscope" interview, he has been sending one to two letters to KC per week.) As was suggested by cecybeans, perhaps she has provided access information to a sympathizer to manipulate the account to attempt to eliminate this obvious permeditated element of her crimes.
Question:
Under the Sunshine Law, is it possible the get a list of names and addressed of people KC has sent letters to? If so, how do we go about getting it to post here?
Chiquita71
01-12-2010, 11:33 AM
Hello WS :)
What would this all look like had their been no Cindy, after LE took Casey to Universal? Casey's story is the Zanny the nanny story. Her story is about JH and Juliette, Zanny's mother and Zanny's sisters and roommates. Casey gives detail after detail about where Zanny has lived and moved, where her mother has lived and moved. Of changing phone numbers and addresses-she was keeping in touch and in contact with these folks on a regular basis. About Caylee spending the summer with these people, going to "parks" and having a good time. Casey told Amy that she wasn't getting to see Caylee very much lately but that it was okay because she was having fun. When speaking to LE Casey talks about Zanny, tells them she contacted Jeff and Juliette and they knew that Zanny had taken Caylee. Casey tells us that she knew Zanny took her daughter, maybe to teach her a lesson, that Zanny would give her back in "so many days", she told LE that she was in contact with Caylee and had received a phone call and she was fine. In the jailhouse conversation, Cindy asks Casey if she wants to get a message out to Zanny and Casey says yes, "Tell her we forgive her."
Casey has always said that she took Caylee to be with Zanny like normal, but this time Zanny took Caylee away. Everything else, what Cindy has said, what Casey's defense has said since then is all just to confuse because if we only look at Zanny the nanny and Casey's whole story: we are left knowing there is no Zanny. Where is Juliette? Why hasn't this person, in all of this time showed up to say: "hey, Casey told me that Zanny had taken Caylee." Well, we all know that Juliette does not exist. JH may exist but only in name. Where is Zanny's mom? Where are her roommates and her sisters?
Where are all these people? Would these people who really exist, who have a strong connection to Casey and Caylee-just let Casey sit in jail without coming forward? Would real people who really exist let Caylee be missing and being searched for without coming forward?
The jury will not have all of the "Cindy stuff" mucking up the information they receive and all that is left is Casey and her "zanny the nanny" story. And everyone from that story has dropped off the face of the earth. Except Casey, but we know where she is. I think all of the "zanny" sleuthing being done here is right on track because when it comes to the trial-it is going to be very important to show the jury that there never was a zanny the nanny. What ever Casey's plan was, whether Zanny was convenient for lying purposes(while Caylee was alive)and then when she did kill and seemed caught-she used Zanny or it was all premeditated and so she created Zanny to take the fall: either way it is still all about the Zanny story.
Casey even told LE that she tried to contact Zanny's mother when she went to the apt and no one was there. Why couldn't LE contact Juliette, or Zanny's mom or any of her sisters or roommates? Well, because all of those phone numbers were in the phone Casey lost and because they did investigate these people and found they did not exist. And Casey says she lost her phone at Universal but then admits she never worked there. Says she met Juliette at Universal but again admits she never worked at Universal. At the trial it should be easy to show that working at Universal, Juliette, JH(and don't forget his son Zach!)Zanny and all the rest were just lies that Casey told.
ETA: Also, there is not one single person: not Cindy, George, AL, AH, AD, SP, RP, RG, JG, Lee, Mallory, no one who knows Casey who can say they ever met Zanny, or a nanny of any kind. Not one single person.
So, if there was never a Zanny-that makes Casey a huge liar and there is still the question to her: what happened to your daughter? Casey cannot say that the last time she saw Caylee was when she dropped her off with the nanny, so what will the story be? Take only what Casey has said, and you are left with a story that makes no sense.
Cindy started mucking up the story because she knew it made no sense, she started grabbing at anything that would take the focus off of Zanny/Casey. She knew the story only made sense if it was Casey who killed Caylee because she knew there was no nanny and she could not let that be the truth.
...jmo...
AZlawyer
01-12-2010, 11:34 AM
So I'm not sure what happened to my previous post on this, but in case it was deleted by a mod I'll try to keep this one more...vague.
The name now on the MySpace page we've been discussing is the same as the name of a minor child in Miami (based on court records available online), which is the location given on the MySpace page. I think this could be a minor child's MySpace page. If the child was under 14 when she signed up for MySpace (the minimum age), she would not have been able to enter her real birth year. Many kids just randomly pick a birth year so they can sign up. Some of my daughter's friends from school are supposedly over 90 years old on MySpace. ;)
This would explain (1) the Dora pic, (2) the failure to answer comments/questions about Casey that might be confusing to a child who is not familiar with this case, and (3) the sporadic and shallow interest in MySpace.
woodforest
01-13-2010, 10:21 AM
The following is from a post I made on another board on 01/29/09:
Players:
AD - Annie Downing, reported by almost all of KC's friends as her "best friend" and the one most likely she would confide in - still no OCSO interview released
KC - Casey Anthony, charged with murdering her daughter Caylee
Zani - Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez - mystery nanny that KC claims kidnapped Caylee, but no one has ever seen, spoken to, or can verify her existence
ZG - The real Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez - has civil suit against Casey for defamation and intentional injury
ZGo - Zenaida Gonzalez, a blogger and online journalist who lives in Brevard County, FL and whose office was robbed on 06/09/08
ZG22 - Zenaida Gonzalez, a 22-23 year old woman ticketed with two traffic citations on 05/24/08 - the same day AD was ticketed with not wearing a seatbelt
Timeline:
August, 2003 - KC receives a traffic citation on 8/4/03 for not providing proof of insurance. 8/12/03KC appears in traffic court, produces her ID and insurance verification, and pays the $5 dismissal fee, and the case is dismissed.
May 24, 2008 - AD receives a traffic citation for 2 people not wearing seatbelts in her car.
ZG22 (date of birth 1/11/86, 3 months older than KC), receives two traffic citations: one for running an intersection, and one for not having a valid driver's license. Note that Operating a motor vehicle without a valid driver's license is a Criminal Offense (http://www.justiceflorida.com/2008/03/articles/sealing-your-record/adjudicated-guilty-versus-adjudication-withheld-its-important-to-know-the-diff erence-when-trying-to-seal-your-criminal-record/) in Florida.
June 9, 2008 - A "Zenaida Gonzalez", an online journalist/bloggist, (ZGo) in Brevard County, Fl, has her office robbed. The thief takes her computer, which includes her personal information, phone numbers, etc.
June 10, 2008 - ZG22 "elects to pay" (http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=4ed62f64-778e-4b42-b233-cce5e2bf9399&CaseID=5898199) civil penalty associated with citation for not yielding at intersection on 05/24/08. "No plea" entered. The fine of $118.50 is paid in full and the case closed.
June 11, 2008 - Arraignment (http://*************.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%E2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/) for ZG22's criminal traffic citation is held. ZG22 appears in person at traffic court. While the docket shows "Defendant was represented by counsel" it has an asterick in the field, and no counsel is listed, which is required. ZG22 please nolo contendre. The court rules "adjudicated withheld" which means the court withheld a "conviction", but the accused is ruled "guilty" as charged. Please note that ZG22 being found "guilty" (i.e. adjudication withheld) means that she was unable to produce a valid Florida driver's license on June 11th during the arraignment. If she had produced one, the citation would have been dismissed (see Florida Statute 322.03(6) (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0322/SEC03.HTM)) The case is reassigned to the "Collection Court" for payment arrangements of the fine.
June 12, 2008 - KC search reunion.com for "Zenaida Gonzalez" age 25.
KC search USSearch.com for "Zenaida Fernandez", Jacksonville, FL
June 13, 2008 - The 22 year old "Zenaida Gonzalez" is fined $328.00 for failure to produce valid driver's license. The Collections Court establishes a $50/month (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) payment plan for ZG22 on the $328 fine (including court costs) she receives for the 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation.
June 24, 2008 - AD requests extension on her citation on 5/24/08 for no seatbelts.
July 15, 2008 - KC goes to a downtown Orlando Bank of America branch and withdraws $250 from AH's bank account. This BoA branch is less than one block from the Orange County Clerk's Office. KC also attempts to pay a $574 AT&T cell phone bill, but there is not anough money left in AH's account for the payment to go through.
ZG22 makes a $50.00 payment (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) to the Collection Court on the 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation.
This is the day before KC is arrested.
July 23, 2008 - AD requests extension on her citation on 5/24/08 for no seatbelts.
August 18, 2008 - Someone pays $4.00 for copies (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) of documents associated with her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This will be the last payment activity ZG22 has on this charge.
Court changes status of ZG22's case to "Prosecutorial".
August 20, 2008 - Blink34, who has been watching this traffic case since July notices that the case is showing delinquent and bring it to the attention of "a source in Orlando" pointing out that if there is a connection to the KC case, there's about to be a bench warrant issue.
August 21, 2008 - The case file has been updated retroactive to show that ZG22 made a $100.00 payment (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) on 08/15/08 to the Collections Court on the 05/24/08 driving without a valid license citation. This is also the same day KC is released from jail to home confinement. If the payment had been made on 08/15/08, there would be no explanation for the status change to "Prosecutorial" on 08/18/08.
August 25, 2008 - AD pays $79.50 fine (http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/FinnDetails.aspx?SessionID=4ed62f64-778e-4b42-b233-cce5e2bf9399&CaseID=5906361&PartyID=18625868&Subject=A) for her 05/24/08 citation for no seatbelts; case is closed.
September 11, 2008 - The status of KC's traffic citation issued on 8/4/03 is changed to Prosecutorial (http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/ChargeDetails.aspx?SessionID=4ed62f64-778e-4b42-b233-cce5e2bf9399&CaseID=3321460&CountID=2896104) even though the charges were dismissed on 8/12/03. There is no clear explanation why a case that has been procedurally and properly dismissed to be changed to Prosecutorial in status.
This is the same day charging documents are filed against KC listing 10 economic crimes.
October 5, 2008 - The Collections Court levies a $10.00 fine (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) for Failure to Pay against ZG22 on her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license charge because a payment hasn't been made since 8/15/08.
December 10, 2008 - ZG22 is entered as "defaulted" (http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=4ed62f64-778e-4b42-b233-cce5e2bf9399&CaseID=5898474) by the Collections Court on the collection program for her 05/24/08 citation for driving without a valid license.
December 15, 2008 - The Collections Court issues a Misdemeanor Delinquency Notice (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) to ZG22 because a payment has not been made on her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license charge since 8/15/08.
January 9, 2009 - The Collections Court issues a writ (http://*************.com/fun-images/zpic4.jpg) for authorities to bring ZG22 to the court due to failure to make any payments since 8/15/08 on her 05/24/08 driving without a valid license charge.
January 12, 2009 - ZG22's driver's license has a notation entered against it (http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=4ed62f64-778e-4b42-b233-cce5e2bf9399&CaseID=5898474) due to her failure to pay fines or appear concerning her 05/24/08 citation for driving without a valid license. It is unknown whether this notation is a temporary suspension, permanent suspension, or a deadline suspension. However, at this status check page (https://www6.hsmv.state.fl.us/dlcheck/dlcheckresult?DLNum=G524980865110) of the Orange County Clerk's website it shows that if ZG22 does not appear by 2/19/09, her driver's license will either be canceled, suspended, revoked, or disqualified.
Important Findings:
When looking at the driving records of ZG22 and KC...
1. ZG22's information on her Florida Driver's License has been expunged from her DMV record. This could mean that it had expired some time past or it could have been done since the beginning of the KC case, but her record does not show the original issue date, nor the expiration date. This information has been removed.
2. Of interest on this is if you perform astatus check]status check (http://[url=https://www6.hsmv.state.fl.us/dlcheck/dlcheckresult?DLNum=G524980865110) on ZG22's driver license, there is no statement "Your social security number has been verified. Thank you." on the return page. If you perform a status check on KC's driver's license, AD's driver's license, GA's, CA's, or LA's driver's licenses they all state at the bottom "Your social security number has been verified. Thank you."
3. KC had a previous traffic citation on 8/4/03 for not providing proof of insurance. Even though KC appeared in traffic court, produced her ID and insurance verification, and paid the $5 dismissal fee, the status of this citation was changed Prosecutorial (http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/ChargeDetails.aspx?SessionID=4ed62f64-778e-4b42-b233-cce5e2bf9399&CaseID=3321460&CountID=2896104) on 9/11/08.
4. The address given on ZG22's DMV record has two people, middle-aged, with mideastern names who appear to live in New York and have the home in Winter Garden as a winter home.
5. During Lee Anthony's original interview with OCSO he described dumping the contents of KC's purse, which he had obtained from Tony Lazzaro's apartment, in the living room floor of the Anthony home. Cindy Anthony began to go through KC's wallet and pulled out what Lee described as looking like an "old driver's license", but he also stated KC's drivers license was still in the wallet. When Cindy held up the ID, the detective present snatched it out of her hand before Lee could get a good look at.
I believe that was the fake ZG22 expired driver's license and I believe when detectives found that she had possessed a fake driver's license since ??? (2003?) they turned her previously dismissed 2003 citation to Prosecutorial.
Theory:
KC = Zenaida Gonzalez (ZG22) = Zani.
dates about June ticket BBM
This may be just a shot in the dark, but Jamie R. (a shot girl @ Fusion) had stated in an interview that she was going to go out with KC, but KC cancelled because she had just gotten a ticket and she wanted to stay in Orlando...this was in Mid June...KC got a ticket in May, but ZG22 got a ticket (where she couldn't produce license) in mid-June. Could KC have been referring to a June (ZG22) ticket? My hinky meter went off and I needed to release this question from my brain...if i seem erratic it's because i am :crazy:....coffee intake was too much for me this morning!!
hugs to all!
BondJamesBond
01-13-2010, 11:28 AM
Woodforest, Recommend reading posts 1247-1250 this thread. HTH.
woodforest
01-13-2010, 07:12 PM
Woodforest, Recommend reading posts 1247-1250 this thread. HTH.
Thank you BondJamesBond, it did help......but after bouncing from here to downstairs and back reading thread after thread...i am left with such a sick feeling...KC's mind, people and personality games are out there for all to see...but still no justice for Caylee...no voice from her family demanding truth.
Valhall
02-16-2010, 07:26 AM
Unless someone is reading here and decided to play mind games?
Okay, now, I'm wondering if part of the activity isn't just this. I've been monitoring the zenaida myspace on a weekly basis since the 1/10/10 log-in and the "Last Login" date has been 1/10/2010 since that last activity.
This morning the last login date was changed to 1/11/2010. BUT - immediately after I put a blog entry up that it appeared the myspace page had been hacked - IT WAS CHANGED BACK TO 1/10/2010! That JUST HAPPENED!
Valhall
02-16-2010, 07:31 AM
This is crazy! I checked the myspace page it was 1/11/2010. I created my blog entry on the apparent hack and then came straight over here to post in this thread. I found this thread and started the post and went to find the link to the myspace to include in my post and the damned login date had already been changed back!
O_O
I got so kerflunkeled I forgot to include the link...
http://www.myspace.com/389838213
Tulessa
02-16-2010, 07:33 AM
This is crazy! I checked the myspace page it was 1/11/2010. I created my blog entry on the apparent hack and then came straight over here to post in this thread. I found this thread and started the post and went to find the link to the myspace to include in my post and the damned login date had already been changed back!
O_O
I got so kerflunkeled I forgot to include the link...
http://www.myspace.com/389838213
LOL Val!
Tulessa
02-16-2010, 07:36 AM
A friend request has been sent to this user. If your request is accepted, you will be friends on MySpace.
Wondering if she will add me!
TotallyObsessed
02-16-2010, 07:50 AM
Hello WS :)
What would this all look like had their been no Cindy, after LE took Casey to Universal? Casey's story is the Zanny the nanny story. Her story is about JH and Juliette, Zanny's mother and Zanny's sisters and roommates. Casey gives detail after detail about where Zanny has lived and moved, where her mother has lived and moved. Of changing phone numbers and addresses-she was keeping in touch and in contact with these folks on a regular basis. About Caylee spending the summer with these people, going to "parks" and having a good time. Casey told Amy that she wasn't getting to see Caylee very much lately but that it was okay because she was having fun. When speaking to LE Casey talks about Zanny, tells them she contacted Jeff and Juliette and they knew that Zanny had taken Caylee. Casey tells us that she knew Zanny took her daughter, maybe to teach her a lesson, that Zanny would give her back in "so many days", she told LE that she was in contact with Caylee and had received a phone call and she was fine. In the jailhouse conversation, Cindy asks Casey if she wants to get a message out to Zanny and Casey says yes, "Tell her we forgive her."
Casey has always said that she took Caylee to be with Zanny like normal, but this time Zanny took Caylee away. Everything else, what Cindy has said, what Casey's defense has said since then is all just to confuse because if we only look at Zanny the nanny and Casey's whole story: we are left knowing there is no Zanny. Where is Juliette? Why hasn't this person, in all of this time showed up to say: "hey, Casey told me that Zanny had taken Caylee." Well, we all know that Juliette does not exist. JH may exist but only in name. Where is Zanny's mom? Where are her roommates and her sisters?
Where are all these people? Would these people who really exist, who have a strong connection to Casey and Caylee-just let Casey sit in jail without coming forward? Would real people who really exist let Caylee be missing and being searched for without coming forward?
The jury will not have all of the "Cindy stuff" mucking up the information they receive and all that is left is Casey and her "zanny the nanny" story. And everyone from that story has dropped off the face of the earth. Except Casey, but we know where she is. I think all of the "zanny" sleuthing being done here is right on track because when it comes to the trial-it is going to be very important to show the jury that there never was a zanny the nanny. What ever Casey's plan was, whether Zanny was convenient for lying purposes(while Caylee was alive)and then when she did kill and seemed caught-she used Zanny or it was all premeditated and so she created Zanny to take the fall: either way it is still all about the Zanny story.
Casey even told LE that she tried to contact Zanny's mother when she went to the apt and no one was there. Why couldn't LE contact Juliette, or Zanny's mom or any of her sisters or roommates? Well, because all of those phone numbers were in the phone Casey lost and because they did investigate these people and found they did not exist. And Casey says she lost her phone at Universal but then admits she never worked there. Says she met Juliette at Universal but again admits she never worked at Universal. At the trial it should be easy to show that working at Universal, Juliette, JH(and don't forget his son Zach!)Zanny and all the rest were just lies that Casey told.
ETA: Also, there is not one single person: not Cindy, George, AL, AH, AD, SP, RP, RG, JG, Lee, Mallory, no one who knows Casey who can say they ever met Zanny, or a nanny of any kind. Not one single person.
So, if there was never a Zanny-that makes Casey a huge liar and there is still the question to her: what happened to your daughter? Casey cannot say that the last time she saw Caylee was when she dropped her off with the nanny, so what will the story be? Take only what Casey has said, and you are left with a story that makes no sense.
Cindy started mucking up the story because she knew it made no sense, she started grabbing at anything that would take the focus off of Zanny/Casey. She knew the story only made sense if it was Casey who killed Caylee because she knew there was no nanny and she could not let that be the truth.
...jmo...
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT :clap::clap::clap::clap:
Kentjbkent
02-16-2010, 09:17 AM
This is crazy! I checked the myspace page it was 1/11/2010. I created my blog entry on the apparent hack and then came straight over here to post in this thread. I found this thread and started the post and went to find the link to the myspace to include in my post and the damned login date had already been changed back!
O_O
I got so kerflunkeled I forgot to include the link...
http://www.myspace.com/389838213
Hmmm....diverting attention to the momentary release of docs???? :waitasec:
RubyB
02-16-2010, 07:34 PM
This is crazy! I checked the myspace page it was 1/11/2010. I created my blog entry on the apparent hack and then came straight over here to post in this thread. I found this thread and started the post and went to find the link to the myspace to include in my post and the damned login date had already been changed back!
O_O
I got so kerflunkeled I forgot to include the link...
http://www.myspace.com/389838213
Odd.
I opened the link and it said the eleventh. I finished reading the thread and opened it again, and it was back to the tenth. ????
ETA - Now, 10 minutes later, it's the eleventh again.
cecybeans
02-17-2010, 03:21 PM
Odd.
I opened the link and it said the eleventh. I finished reading the thread and opened it again, and it was back to the tenth. ????
ETA - Now, 10 minutes later, it's the eleventh again.
Sounds like someone is trying to shut a door that keeps opening.
Chiquita71
02-17-2010, 04:08 PM
Hello WS :)
OCSO Supplemental Report
After several months of investigation, detectives could find no one who has ever met, spoken or seen any Zenaida Gonzalez who had cared for Caylee Anthony. There has been no factual evidence to suggest that anyone besides Casey Anthony was the last one to be with Caylee when she was last seen alive. Almost everyone who knows Casey Anthony admits she was prone to lying. Based on statements and eye witness accounts, it appears Caylee was last seen alive on June 16th, 2008. Evidence obtained from the white 1998 Pontiac Sunfire along with evidence found with the body suggests that the body of Caylee Anthony was in the trunk of the white 1998 Pontiac for a period of time but removed prior to June 27th, 2008. Evidence on the body suggests that the child's death was not accidental but an intentional act.
As of this writing there is nothing to suggest that anyone but Casey Anthony is responsible for the death and disposal of Caylee Anthony.
~Detective Corporal Yuri Melich
Spoiler
02-22-2010, 01:51 AM
The prosecution will prove that Zenaida IS the murderer..... and then that Zenaida IS Casey Anthony.
Why didn't Morgan's staff ask Annie about the ticket?
technicalconfusion
02-22-2010, 03:19 AM
This is crazy! I checked the myspace page it was 1/11/2010. I created my blog entry on the apparent hack and then came straight over here to post in this thread. I found this thread and started the post and went to find the link to the myspace to include in my post and the damned login date had already been changed back!
O_O
I got so kerflunkeled I forgot to include the link...
http://www.myspace.com/389838213
If that site was in fact hacked, and someone alerted Myspace, they would have rolled out a backup. which was the last known login date of 1/10/2010. This would explain the crazyness you are feeling.
Google also has a cache as of Feb 9, 2010 with the 1/10/2010 login date:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A//www.myspace.com/389838213
BondJamesBond
03-05-2010, 01:37 AM
So I'm not sure what happened to my previous post on this, but in case it was deleted by a mod I'll try to keep this one more...vague.
The name now on the MySpace page we've been discussing is the same as the name of a minor child in Miami (based on court records available online), which is the location given on the MySpace page. I think this could be a minor child's MySpace page. If the child was under 14 when she signed up for MySpace (the minimum age), she would not have been able to enter her real birth year. Many kids just randomly pick a birth year so they can sign up. Some of my daughter's friends from school are supposedly over 90 years old on MySpace. ;)
This would explain (1) the Dora pic, (2) the failure to answer comments/questions about Casey that might be confusing to a child who is not familiar with this case, and (3) the sporadic and shallow interest in MySpace.
Adding the following in support of AZ's deduction:
These accounts belong to the same user per the search criteria I used. Note the age provided on accounts #2 & 3.
I've masked the specific information on the exact sites to protect the identity of the user and provided the sequence of account creation as that seems sufficient for the purposes of our effort here.
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq95/BondJamesBondWS/Slide1-40.jpg
I concur w/ AZ. I think we're done here, IMHO.
Adding the following in support of AZ's deduction:
These accounts belong to the same user per the search criteria I used. Note the age provided on accounts #2 & 3.
I've masked the specific information on the exact sites to protect the identity of the user and provided the sequence of account creation as that seems sufficient for the purposes of our effort here.
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq95/BondJamesBondWS/Slide1-40.jpg
I concur w/ AZ. I think we're done here, IMHO.
I have to hand it to AZ and Bond. Nice piece of sleuthing. I agree ... this closes the book on the myspace page.
Valhall
03-05-2010, 09:44 AM
Awesome work guys! I think you have buried this poor, poor beat up dead horse.
I just feel bad that just slightly over a full year I wasted everybody time and effort on this.
whoddathunk!
Thank you so much for your awesomeness!
The World According
03-05-2010, 01:07 PM
Bobmshell:
Vallhall we all think the world of you, we thoroughly enjoy your work and humor. Keep up your good work.
Julia
I believe Zenaida is Casey's code name for chloroform......I think that Casey drugged Caylee with chloroform every time she wanted freedom from being a mom. And then she would leave the child in the trunk while she partied. Especially that month the child was missing and Casey didn't even report it, not even to Cindy...Way too suspicious. The first people Casey would have called would be her parents, but they had to track her down. That poor child probably spent many nights drugged in that trunk....Then, I figure Casey knew it was too risky to keep doing that, so she drugged Caylee once more, put the duct tape on her and left the toddler to die in her trunk...
sleutherontheside
03-05-2010, 04:26 PM
I believe Zenaida is Casey's code name for chloroform......I think that Casey drugged Caylee with chloroform every time she wanted freedom from being a mom. And then she would leave the child in the trunk while she partied. Especially that month the child was missing and Casey didn't even report it, not even to Cindy...Way too suspicious. The first people Casey would have called would be her parents, but they had to track her down. That poor child probably spent many nights drugged in that trunk....Then, I figure Casey knew it was too risky to keep doing that, so she drugged Caylee once more, put the duct tape on her and left the toddler to die in her trunk...
Welcome to WS jobo....there are some great threads that discuss these topics. I will see if I can bump some up for you.
sweetwater
03-06-2010, 10:28 PM
I'm just checking in on Florida's most loathsome.
I always thought that Zanaida was just creepy Casey's code for "none of your business" in response to Cindy when she was asked who would be watching Caylee and it just stuck; it worked while she hauled her around to party, until the club scene heated up. Then she probably started drugging her. In my opinion, neither narcissistic Cindy or sycophantic George really cared where Caylee was or what she was doing, did they? I've never seen any evidence that they did. Then again, Zanaida may have been Casey's alter ego or escort name. Some of those glam shots have a distinctly Cuban feel and look to them, especially the one where her hair and make-up are done up in retro 50's style.
I so can't wait for justice for Caylee.
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