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ElizaAvalon
03-10-2009, 02:16 PM
I didn't see a thread about this - anyone else see the press conference at 2:00 pm today?

Ronnie seemed heavily sedated.

Crystal had me sobbing my head off.

sweetmop
03-10-2009, 02:36 PM
I didn't see a thread about this - anyone else see the press conference at 2:00 pm today?

Ronnie seemed heavily sedated.

Crystal had me sobbing my head off.
I didn't get to see it. Was there any new information given?

ckwood32
03-10-2009, 02:43 PM
What's going on?

ElizaAvalon
03-10-2009, 02:46 PM
No new info. Just thank yous all around to all of LE who are working on the case. The reward is now at $35,000 (I think).

Ron got up and said he just wants Haleigh home and I love you, please bring my daughter home. That sort of thing. He was wearing dark sunglasses and he appears, to me, to be a little slurring with his words. Maybe medicated?

Crystal was pretty much in hysterics. Had me bawling my eyeballs out. She asked for her daughter back. Same as Ron.

ckwood32
03-10-2009, 02:48 PM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090310/ARTICLES/903100964/-1/SPORTS03?Title=Multi-agency-press-conference-on-Haleigh-abduction-case-scheduled-for-2-p-m-

sweetmop
03-10-2009, 02:56 PM
No new info. Just thank yous all around to all of LE who are working on the case. The reward is now at $35,000 (I think).

Ron got up and said he just wants Haleigh home and I love you, please bring my daughter home. That sort of thing. He was wearing dark sunglasses and he appears, to me, to be a little slurring with his words. Maybe medicated?

Crystal was pretty much in hysterics. Had me bawling my eyeballs out. She asked for her daughter back. Same as Ron.
Thanks for the update, ElizaAvalon.:)

LisaNY
03-10-2009, 03:32 PM
Is there a link to view this presser?

Baznme
03-10-2009, 03:41 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18899331/index.html

alwaysonmymind
03-10-2009, 03:47 PM
I didn't see a thread about this - anyone else see the press conference at 2:00 pm today?

Ronnie seemed heavily sedated.

Crystal had me sobbing my head off.

hey, ElizaAvalaon. I didn't see your thread. We have been posting about it on the friends and family thread. <sounds like a plug for a cell phone plan>

It was sad...

joga
03-10-2009, 03:56 PM
man, that was a heartbreaker. i can't even imagine. where is this poor baby...:(

aprilshowers
03-10-2009, 03:56 PM
Hmmmmmm??? I'm not sure I should say how I feel about that.

Soooooooo http://img13.echo.cx/img13/8421/face081qz.gif

Baznme
03-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Hmmmmmm??? I'm not sure I should say how I feel about that.

Soooooooo http://img13.echo.cx/img13/8421/face081qz.gif


About what?

ElizaAvalon
03-10-2009, 04:02 PM
hey, ElizaAvalaon. I didn't see your thread. We have been posting about it on the friends and family thread. <sounds like a plug for a cell phone plan>

It was sad...

Thanks, always.

I thought I would generate a little enthusiasm upstairs. :)

Indigo
03-10-2009, 04:04 PM
Does anyone know who the woman is that Ron is hugging at the presser--she looked surprised.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18899331/index.html

ROBLYN
03-10-2009, 04:09 PM
Well... That was a tear jerker...The LE were even teary eyed...:(

Okay, let's sleuth this out. Why a PC today? Why a plea from the parents today?

What are they hoping to get out of it? Besides the obvious...Haylee.

They have been vey tight liped and now there is a plea...Hmmm just wondering.

Praying for Haleigh's return

Recovering-Lurker
03-10-2009, 04:10 PM
Does anyone know who the woman is that Ron is hugging at the presser--she looked surprised.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18899331/index.html

I was wondering that too Indigo.

alwaysonmymind
03-10-2009, 04:12 PM
Does anyone know who the woman is that Ron is hugging at the presser--she looked surprised.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18899331/index.html

That WAS an awkward moment.

debs
03-10-2009, 04:18 PM
Uh. Well. At the same place, same time, same message. Unification of the two camps?

aprilshowers
03-10-2009, 04:55 PM
About what?


OK ... I'll get ready to run, after I post this message. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7081/bagwe3.gif

I saw no tears from Crystal ... only wiping of eyes .. and she appeared to have either allot of mascara on or fake eyelashes. No running of mascara.

No tears from Ron ...

Sorry, just my observations. http://www.createphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/uhohhide.gif

http://img61.photobucket.com/albums/v185/MemoryLane/bolt.gif

LancelotLink
03-10-2009, 05:05 PM
I thought that was the oddest press conference I have seen yet. I felt like I was at a funeral...odd.

Whisperer
03-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Keep in mind I have not been following this case as the rest of you here but I was having flashbacks of casey, for a moment, when Crystal was on stage....whew! I was hoping one of those eyelashes didn't drop off from the rubbing.

Ron appears to be in a defiant mode....hiding behind his shades. All the people standing around like the stoic guards at Buckingham Palace gave an odd tone to the whole pressor or did I miss something? Who were all those people?

LancelotLink
03-10-2009, 05:06 PM
That WAS an awkward moment.

I noticed that too. Ron was not all there...

aprilshowers
03-10-2009, 05:07 PM
I thought that was the oddest press conference I have seen yet. I felt like I was at a funeral...odd.


Yes, I did too ....

LancelotLink
03-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Keep in mind I have not been following this case as the rest of you here but I was having flashbacks of casey, for a moment, when Crystal was on stage....whew! I was hoping one of those eyelashes didn't drop off from the rubbing.

Ron appears to be in a defiant mode....hiding behind his shades. All the people standing around like the stoic guards at Buckingham Palace gave an odd tone to the whole pressor or did I miss something? Who were all those people?
I'm guessing folks from Justice Coalition.

KaylynnCouture
03-10-2009, 05:15 PM
I'm guessing folks from Justice Coalition.

That's what I think as well.

kolokolo
03-10-2009, 05:15 PM
That WAS an awkward moment.

It did seem like an awkward moment! I find that weird, cause this presser looks like it was planned, with all the LE standing behind them, podium setup with mic, they each (RC and CS) were introduced ... it didnt appear to be a spontaneous presser.

SuziQ
03-10-2009, 05:16 PM
Granted it appears that all of the presser wasn't on the video I watched. But doesn't LE look um.....a bit pissed off? Not just seriously focused as LE usually does in cases like this....but really pissed off and fed up...royally.

If anyone finds the entire presser online, please post, thanks!

Recovering-Lurker
03-10-2009, 05:16 PM
Keep in mind I have not been following this case as the rest of you here but I was having flashbacks of casey, for a moment, when Crystal was on stage....whew! I was hoping one of those eyelashes didn't drop off from the rubbing.

Ron appears to be in a defiant mode....hiding behind his shades. All the people standing around like the stoic guards at Buckingham Palace gave an odd tone to the whole pressor or did I miss something? Who were all those people?

I didn't feel like that at all watching Crystal. I really felt choked up myself. It was obvious watching Casey that her emotion was fake. I just didn't get that feeling with Crystal. MOO.

O/T: I watched 48 Hour Mystery the other night, and it was about a woman accused of killing her lover. Now she gave me the same feeling as Casey when she faked crying. I was like, "what are you doing?" Same sociopathic behavior imo. She was creepy like Casey. Link in case anyone is interested.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/05/48hours/main4845724.shtml

shergal
03-10-2009, 05:19 PM
OK ... I'll get ready to run, after I post this message. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7081/bagwe3.gif

I saw no tears from Crystal ... only wiping of eyes .. and she appeared to have either allot of mascara on or fake eyelashes. No running of mascara.

No tears from Ron ...

Sorry, just my observations. http://www.createphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/uhohhide.gif

http://img61.photobucket.com/albums/v185/MemoryLane/bolt.gif

I'm glad you said that. Crystal's dramatic sobbing seemed really fake to me. Reminded me of Casey. Ron could not have been more flat or robotic if he tried. I didn't really see the point of the whole presser except to announce the reward was now up to $35,000. JMO, but I still feel this family has Haleigh somewhere safe with a friend or relative (and whatever was "missing" that she needed with her) and it's a copykat crime hoping for the big cash haul the A's got. If I'm proved wrong and it was really a SO, I will certainly apologize later. Again, only MO.

Capri
03-10-2009, 05:20 PM
It did seem like an awkward moment! I find that weird, cause this presser looks like it was planned, with all the LE standing behind them, podium setup with mic, they each (RC and CS) were introduced ... it didnt appear to be a spontaneous presser.

My understanding was that it was to announce Justice Coalition adding to the reward $$$- I think an additional $5000, IIRC.

SuziQ
03-10-2009, 05:21 PM
The presser had the tone pressers have when they've broken news that a body has been found. It was odd. Maybe I'll feel different after seeing the entire thing.

SuziQ
03-10-2009, 05:27 PM
I'm still watching the presser, but I think the below link is all of it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=eba00a87d996b4b3a0f46791c bef43367513e061&maven_referralObject=1058193952

MADJGNLAW
03-10-2009, 05:29 PM
Maybe it's just me...I want to get a still photo of Ron after his little speech...I swear he looks like he is on some heavy sedative and smiling while standing in the back row when they called Crystal up to talk. It breaks my heart, this mother looks like she is in dire pain, the father to. However, I find something very odd in today's presser. Maybe I am reading to much into it. If someone knows how to get a still photo of Ron while in the back row please add, and you will see what I mean.

Whisperer
03-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Lancelot and Kaylnn....you are both correct. I never heard of this group, Justice Coalition. When I looked them up just now...they contributed $8,500 to the reward today. So maybe they presented that at the pressor..the part we haven't seen?

kittylyn461
03-10-2009, 05:34 PM
am i missing it was it just the parents or did le talk i don't see that

Becky319
03-10-2009, 05:35 PM
When you watch the whole press conference it makes better sense. I think it was a one month anniversary plus new reward money along with the different agencies talking to the press.

MADJGNLAW
03-10-2009, 05:35 PM
Lancelot and Kaylnn....you are both correct. I never heard of this group, Justice Coalition. When I looked them up just now...they contributed $8,500 to the reward today. So maybe they presented that at the pressor..the part we haven't seen?

Reward upped to $35000 in missing Florida girl case
WINKNEWS.com - Fort Myers,FL,USA
(AP) - The reward for information on the disappearance of missing north Florida girl Haleigh Cummings has been increased to $35000. http://www.winknews.com/news/local/41038442.html


VIDEO: Reward For Haleigh
http://www.wesh.com/video/18895945/index.html

SLIDESHOW:
http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

Article:http://www.wesh.com/news/18895830/detail.html

Becky319
03-10-2009, 05:40 PM
I think Ronald and Crystal are sincere in their sorrow, Ronald does seem like he is on some medication, Chystal was crying the whole time even before she got on stage. Just how I saw it.

alwaysonmymind
03-10-2009, 05:40 PM
am i missing it was it just the parents or did le talk i don't see that

Justice Coalition spoke, FBI spoke, FDLE spoke, Jeff Hardy- Putnam CO. Sheriff spoke. I know they introduced folks from the States Atty office that are on the case. Not sure if they spoke.

Becky319
03-10-2009, 05:41 PM
I think Ronald and Crystal are sincere in their sorrow, Ronald does seem like he is on some medication, Chystal was crying the whole time even before she got on stage. Just how I saw it.

SuziQ
03-10-2009, 05:42 PM
The first clip I watched doesn't seem nearly as odd after watching the entire thing.

distracted
03-10-2009, 05:44 PM
The whole thing seemed very orchestrated to me. How does one cry without producing tears? I didn't even see a damp eye. I don't want to accuse either of them of faking it but it did not ring true with me - and this feeling is coming from someone who cries after watching an emotional commercial.

LancelotLink
03-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Maybe it's just me...I want to get a still photo of Ron after his little speech...I swear he looks like he is on some heavy sedative and smiling while standing in the back row when they called Crystal up to talk. It breaks my heart, this mother looks like she is in dire pain, the father to. However, I find something very odd in today's presser. Maybe I am reading to much into it. If someone knows how to get a still photo of Ron while in the back row please add, and you will see what I mean.

I saw exactly what you are referring to. Almost a Cheshire type grin. He had to be helped from his chair, led to the podium...he seemed out of it. Thanked those in LE for helping to find "them." I think he meant to say her as in Haleigh.

LancelotLink
03-10-2009, 05:46 PM
Justice Coalition spoke, FBI spoke, FDLE spoke, Jeff Hardy- Putnam CO. Sheriff spoke. I know they introduced folks from the States Atty office that are on the case. Not sure if they spoke.

Sorry, SuziQ. I didn't see your post. Thank you!

LaLaw2000
03-10-2009, 05:48 PM
I'm still watching the presser, but I think the below link is all of it.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=eba00a87d996b4b3a0f46791c bef43367513e061&maven_referralObject=1058193952

Thank you, SuziQ, for posting the link for the entire presser. It makes more sense when you can see it in it's entirety!

kolokolo
03-10-2009, 05:52 PM
It does make more sense after watching the complete presser!

Indigo
03-10-2009, 06:00 PM
I saw exactly what you are referring to. Almost a Cheshire type grin. He had to be helped from his chair, led to the podium...he seemed out of it. Thanked those in LE for helping to find "them." I think he meant to say her as in Haleigh.

Yes! I noticed he said find "them."

Dr. Know?
03-10-2009, 06:05 PM
Maybe it's just me...I want to get a still photo of Ron after his little speech...I swear he looks like he is on some heavy sedative and smiling while standing in the back row when they called Crystal up to talk. It breaks my heart, this mother looks like she is in dire pain, the father to. However, I find something very odd in today's presser. Maybe I am reading to much into it. If someone knows how to get a still photo of Ron while in the back row please add, and you will see what I mean.


Glad someone else noticed that too. It appeared as he was just smiling away. Hope I wrong.

Salem
03-10-2009, 06:07 PM
Well... That was a tear jerker...The LE were even teary eyed...:(

Okay, let's sleuth this out. Why a PC today? Why a plea from the parents today?

What are they hoping to get out of it? Besides the obvious...Haylee.

They have been vey tight liped and now there is a plea...Hmmm just wondering.

Praying for Haleigh's return

I'm with you Roblyn - what was this about? In the clip I saw it only showed Ron and Crystal. Did the cops say anything? Something is up!!!! I have never, ever seen such a thing. A presser to tell us there is no new information and to have the parents cry and plead?

Is this normal? Hey you long time sleuths - what do you think? My jaw is hanging open!

Salem

Anais
03-10-2009, 06:18 PM
I noticed that too. Ron was not all there...


Per both Ron's mother and his Pastor (who has been with RC every day since this happened) he is being heavily sedated after having a breakdown. I heard this this morning at 4 or 5 a.m on HLN or something. Haleigh's disappearance combined with the media rumor attacks on his character, nature and past have taken a heavy toll. He feels as if no matter what he does someone will find negativity and or a reason to attack and pick.

But I do want to point out that sometimes after time passes people become emotionally drained and quite numb. We can all sit here and say how we would be, might be, or how we should or would react, do etc. But until you are that person, in that very position at the moment in time we shouldn't pick IMO. Sometimes people react in a completely unexpected manner but doesn't mean they are guilty of anything.

No LE hasn't cleared anybody at this point. But LE has not said that ANYONE IS A POI at this point either. So I will reserve until LE gives me something tangible.

Jholi
03-10-2009, 06:25 PM
All Crystal's very "wet" (sorry :o) nose snifflings showed she was crying a lot of real tears under the Kleenex.

Ron appeared to be sedated, as I expect both have been more or less throughout the ordeal.

So sad. I cannot imagine a worse horror than having a child abducted.

My hope is that someone has good reason to believe she is still alive and being held by someone watching.

Jinxy
03-10-2009, 06:27 PM
Normal lurker here, been following this case since the beginning. I just wanted to say real briefly that the one thing that stood out for me as strange was how many times Crystal mentioned Haleigh's 'Daddy'-everything was "me and your daddy". Dunno if it has any significance, just struck me as weird since Ron just spoke about Haleigh and whomever may have her.

I have no idea what to think on this case. I understand LE being tight lipped and preserving things in the event of prosecution later but it is frustrating.

Jholi
03-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Normal lurker here, been following this case since the beginning. I just wanted to say real briefly that the one thing that stood out for me as strange was how many times Crystal mentioned Haleigh's 'Daddy'-everything was "me and your daddy". Dunno if it has any significance, just struck me as weird since Ron just spoke about Haleigh and whomever may have her.

I have no idea what to think on this case. I understand LE being tight lipped and preserving things in the event of prosecution later but it is frustrating.

Regarding the bold, I was just about to post the same observation. It was very noticeable. "I love you, daddy loves you." "Mommy and daddy.." "We both love you very much."

ROBLYN
03-10-2009, 06:35 PM
I'm with you Roblyn - what was this about? In the clip I saw it only showed Ron and Crystal. Did the cops say anything? Something is up!!!! I have never, ever seen such a thing. A presser to tell us there is no new information and to have the parents cry and plead?

Is this normal? Hey you long time sleuths - what do you think? My jaw is hanging open!

Salem

I don't know if it is normal and not familiar with the Justice Coalition. After watching both parts, it seems that it was about the increased reward. I pray that it helps.It was also nice to see other families of missing children there in support of Haleigh's families.

thanks for your response Salem.

suspicious mind
03-10-2009, 06:37 PM
OK ... I'll get ready to run, after I post this message. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7081/bagwe3.gif

I saw no tears from Crystal ... only wiping of eyes .. and she appeared to have either allot of mascara on or fake eyelashes. No running of mascara.

No tears from Ron ...

Sorry, just my observations. http://www.createphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/uhohhide.gif

http://img61.photobucket.com/albums/v185/MemoryLane/bolt.gif

I didn't see any tears either.

With this this strange presser that struck me as kind of a "last chance" to plead for Hayleigh, and the "engagement" I sense something might be happening soon.

I think Ron was drunk. the pleaseifyouhavemydaughtererturnher all strung together gave me the impression he didn't want to be doing it. Like he was told what to say and wanted it over with asap.

MOO

KaylynnCouture
03-10-2009, 06:39 PM
Well... That was a tear jerker...The LE were even teary eyed...:(

Okay, let's sleuth this out. Why a PC today? Why a plea from the parents today?

What are they hoping to get out of it? Besides the obvious...Haylee.

They have been vey tight liped and now there is a plea...Hmmm just wondering.

Praying for Haleigh's return

I second that..it definitely was a tearjerker.

In my opinion, the PC was held today because (according to FirstCoastNews) today marks one month since the search for Haleigh began.

Jholi
03-10-2009, 06:47 PM
I didn't see any tears either.

With this this strange presser that struck me as kind of a "last chance" to plead for Hayleigh, and the "engagement" I sense something might be happening soon.

I think Ron was drunk. the pleaseifyouhavemydaughtererturnher all strung together gave me the impression he didn't want to be doing it. Like he was told what to say and wanted it over with asap.

MOO

You won't see tears when someone is keeping a Kleenex going from one eye to another. ;)

But you can still tell whether tears are flowing by the sound of the sniffles (like those we could hear from Crystal), because of so many tears trickling down through the nose.

I doubt Ron was drunk, but most likely on an anti-anxiety med. Crystal was put on them after her collapse, and Ron has been on them some recently, at least.

kikid
03-10-2009, 06:48 PM
I didn't see any tears either.

With this this strange presser that struck me as kind of a "last chance" to plead for Hayleigh, and the "engagement" I sense something might be happening soon.

I think Ron was drunk. the pleaseifyouhavemydaughtererturnher all strung together gave me the impression he didn't want to be doing it. Like he was told what to say and wanted it over with asap.

MOO

did you notice crystals hands shaking at the end there. she brought tears to my eyes, I think she's being really genuine.

not sure if Ron was sedated, drunk, or what but he had zero emotional impact.

Ms Suzanne
03-10-2009, 07:01 PM
did you notice crystals hands shaking at the end there. she brought tears to my eyes, I think she's being really genuine.

not sure if Ron was sedated, drunk, or what but he had zero emotional impact.

Yes,I saw her hands shaking at the end.I feel she is being really genuine too.My heart really went out to her and this family.He seems emotionally drained.It's all very sad.You know,This really is all about Haleigh and I pray some one brings thier little girl back to Them.

Busylady
03-10-2009, 07:07 PM
It was reported on HLN that Ron had a breakdown last night and has been heavily sedated. I just checked for a link not there yet will keep checking they eventually show up.


I didn't see any tears either.

With this this strange presser that struck me as kind of a "last chance" to plead for Hayleigh, and the "engagement" I sense something might be happening soon.

I think Ron was drunk. the pleaseifyouhavemydaughtererturnher all strung together gave me the impression he didn't want to be doing it. Like he was told what to say and wanted it over with asap.

MOO

SeriouslySearching
03-10-2009, 07:12 PM
I think it is possible they received a message, strong lead, or a ransom note perhaps. Watching the faces on LE and people surrounding them plus the things said from Ronald and Crystal. (Even the fact she mentioned Ronald at all was curious)

bam
03-10-2009, 07:15 PM
I believe something or someone is going down soon. I don't see why the presser was needed unless it was a ploy by LE to get someone to turn someone in. Money talks! I think LE knows more than they are letting on.
I think it is possible they received a message, strong lead, or a ransom note perhaps. Watching the faces on LE and people surrounding them plus the things said from Ronald and Crystal. (Even the fact she mentioned Ronald at all was curious)

LaLaw2000
03-10-2009, 07:19 PM
I think it is possible they received a message, strong lead, or a ransom note perhaps. Watching the faces on LE and people surrounding them plus the things said from Ronald and Crystal. (Even the fact she mentioned Ronald at all was curious)

I agree with you, SS. The mood was so somber.

SeriouslySearching
03-10-2009, 07:24 PM
I agree with you, SS. The mood was so somber.Yes. LE no longer appeared to be aloof. They looked deadly serious and with a decidedly different demeanor from any other presser. This one had a sense of urgency for some reason even with the thank you's and patting of backs. Something has changed is my take on it.

SeriouslySearching
03-10-2009, 07:29 PM
This presser is not about Ronald proposing...this is about Haleigh. There was a lot more emotion than I have seen yet and it was just "different" in some way today. I think it is possible LE may know who has her or has a very good idea now. It wasn't good news.

I feel they asked Ronald and Crystal to speak directly TO someone and to Haleigh.

PinkyPoo
03-10-2009, 07:39 PM
I thought that was the oddest press conference I have seen yet. I felt like I was at a funeral...odd.

Yeah that was weird. What was the perpose of it? They sure did not say anything, they just let Ron and Crystal talk.
I don't get it. :waitasec:

aprilshowers
03-10-2009, 07:50 PM
I didn't feel like that at all watching Crystal. I really felt choked up myself. It was obvious watching Casey that her emotion was fake. I just didn't get that feeling with Crystal. MOO.

O/T: I watched 48 Hour Mystery the other night, and it was about a woman accused of killing her lover. Now she gave me the same feeling as Casey when she faked crying. I was like, "what are you doing?" Same sociopathic behavior imo. She was creepy like Casey. Link in case anyone is interested.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/05/48hours/main4845724.shtml

Crystal did not shed one tear ... her voice cried, but she did not.

aprilshowers
03-10-2009, 07:52 PM
I'm glad you said that. Crystal's dramatic sobbing seemed really fake to me. Reminded me of Casey. Ron could not have been more flat or robotic if he tried. I didn't really see the point of the whole presser except to announce the reward was now up to $35,000. JMO, but I still feel this family has Haleigh somewhere safe with a friend or relative (and whatever was "missing" that she needed with her) and it's a copykat crime hoping for the big cash haul the A's got. If I'm proved wrong and it was really a SO, I will certainly apologize later. Again, only MO.

http://www.pctuner.net/forum/images/smilies/sisi.gif

aprilshowers
03-10-2009, 08:05 PM
Hey guys, if I'm WRONG, I'll be the first to admit it .. and apologize. Trust me!

I HOPE I'm wrong ... and they're NOT involved, unless it means Haleigh is still alive.

I'm just going by what I see and feel ... but I've been wrong before.

Recovering-Lurker
03-10-2009, 08:06 PM
Crystal did not shed one tear ... her voice cried, but she did not.

Maybe she had been crying all morning, and no tears were coming out. I get "all cried out." It's still crying. That has happened to me on several occasions. Maybe it wasn't close enough for anyone to see tears. Maybe she was wiping her tears away before they fell. You can't say for a certaintly that she didn't shed a tear. I go with my gut feeling to things, and seeing and hearing Crystal talk made my heart break. It's really funny how people can see things so differently. All of this is of course MOO.

Skully
03-10-2009, 08:16 PM
I find it interesting that we all saw the same clip and we see different things in Ron and Crystal.

I see two completely broken down, beat up, emotionally drained parents. I never want to be in those shoes. I would be sedated beyond being able to walk, and speak. Crystal made me just cry for her. I pray they find Haleigh one way or the other, to give these parents answers. LE looked teary eyed to me too....:(

winterrose
03-10-2009, 08:24 PM
I find it interesting that we all saw the same clip and we see different things in Ron and Crystal.

I see two completely broken down, beat up, emotionally drained parents. I never want to be in those shoes. I would be sedated beyond being able to walk, and speak. Crystal made me just cry for her. I pray they find Haleigh one way or the other, to give these parents answers. LE looked teary eyed to me too....:(

Me too,I feel bad for thinking it's either one of them.It just seemed like thier only hope is someone being enticed enough to turn in whoever has Haleigh.

nomoresorrow
03-10-2009, 08:29 PM
I agree, so true.

Pondering Mind
03-10-2009, 08:44 PM
Per both Ron's mother and his Pastor (who has been with RC every day since this happened) he is being heavily sedated after having a breakdown. I heard this this morning at 4 or 5 a.m on HLN or something. Haleigh's disappearance combined with the media rumor attacks on his character, nature and past have taken a heavy toll. He feels as if no matter what he does someone will find negativity and or a reason to attack and pick.

But I do want to point out that sometimes after time passes people become emotionally drained and quite numb. We can all sit here and say how we would be, might be, or how we should or would react, do etc. But until you are that person, in that very position at the moment in time we shouldn't pick IMO. Sometimes people react in a completely unexpected manner but doesn't mean they are guilty of anything.

No LE hasn't cleared anybody at this point. But LE has not said that ANYONE IS A POI at this point either. So I will reserve until LE gives me something tangible.

you know...I sure hope that you are right, because that clip of Ron and Crystal was unsettling to me. Kinda gave me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach....

Like I said...I hope and pray you are right.

Seahorseladydi
03-10-2009, 08:56 PM
I thought that was the oddest press conference I have seen yet. I felt like I was at a funeral...odd.

I felt the same way watching it..... very strange...

(this is the way I think they should have been 30 days ago... why now?)

Pondering Mind
03-10-2009, 09:00 PM
Maybe she had been crying all morning, and no tears were coming out. I get "all cried out." It's still crying. That has happened to me on several occasions. Maybe it wasn't close enough for anyone to see tears. Maybe she was wiping her tears away before they fell. You can't say for a certaintly that she didn't shed a tear. I go with my gut feeling to things, and seeing and hearing Crystal talk made my heart break. It's really funny how people can see things so differently. All of this is of course MOO.

I wasn't expecting my reaction to that clip, that's what REALLY bothers me. I've gone back and watched it several times now just to see if MHO changed.. but it STILL bothers me. I've lost a child, not in this manner or with all the scrutiny, of course.. but I CAN relate to the grief though. Maybe I just need to take a break :computer:

ETA-Ron and Crystal seemed off to me, not just one or the other...something just not right, somebody knows more than they are saying, IMO

DotsEyes
03-10-2009, 09:07 PM
Haleigh has been gone one month now. Everyone has cried themselves dry many times over and sometimes all that is left is the sounds of crying. Who wouldn't be on sedatives in this situation? No matter what their past, these are the people who love Haleigh, she is their baby and want her to be alive and to come back to them, safe.

I pray for them, I can not imagine the pain and hope to never experience such a tragedy, God willing. I would rather be dead.

Try not to read something into every word they say, every eye movement, every gesture, every action. Imagine yourself in their shoes and whether you could pass such intense scrutiny in the anonymous internet opinions of people whom you have never met, do not know and who have never known your child. Impossible.

Pray for them and thank God you are not going through this yourselves.

JMHO

Recovering-Lurker
03-10-2009, 09:08 PM
I wasn't expecting my reaction to that clip, that's what REALLY bothers me. I've gone back and watched it several times now just to see if MHO changed.. but it STILLl bothers me. I've lost a child, not in this manner or with all the scrutiny, of course.. but I CAN relate to the grief though. Maybe I just need to take a break :computer:

What was your reaction?

Seahorseladydi
03-10-2009, 09:39 PM
I wasn't expecting my reaction to that clip, that's what REALLY bothers me. I've gone back and watched it several times now just to see if MHO changed.. but it STILL bothers me. I've lost a child, not in this manner or with all the scrutiny, of course.. but I CAN relate to the grief though. Maybe I just need to take a break :computer:

ETA-Ron and Crystal seemed off to me, not just one or the other...something just not right, somebody knows more than they are saying, IMO


Bold by me...... I have lost a child too (not missing/abducted lost but to an accident).... and watching the presser I just get this feeling that they are in the grief stage..... which is the most horrible thing ANYONE can go thru... but their grief seems different then most people I have seen with missing children... I don't know how to describe it...... there are many different kinds of grief.... theirs seems like mine... like they KNOW Haleigh is not coming home.... alive.... I really think LE knows more then they are saying...

sorry for the ramble..... ;)

yosande
03-10-2009, 10:18 PM
The whole thing seemed very orchestrated to me. How does one cry without producing tears? I didn't even see a damp eye. I don't want to accuse either of them of faking it but it did not ring true with me - and this feeling is coming from someone who cries after watching an emotional commercial.

My feelings exactly. I was disgusted by the whole thing. I didn't get to see LE speak, just RC and CS, but LE looks way too emotionally involved in this case. They were so sad for RC, and spaced out heart broken with CS.
I'm disgusted that his mom is LE, and queen of spin, and no matter what RC, MC, or CS do, LE is not looking at them, and it is obvious on their faces.
I don't believe Haleigh will get justice, unless she speaks volumes when she is found, and even then except for "you can't ignore this" evidence, everything else will be ignored, overlooked, or spinned into outer space.
My best hope for Haleigh is that this is a money scam, and she's ok. But I thought maybe KC had Caylee hidden away from her mom too. I'm so disappointed in LE today.

Law_girl41
03-10-2009, 10:21 PM
Maybe it's just me...I want to get a still photo of Ron after his little speech...I swear he looks like he is on some heavy sedative and smiling while standing in the back row when they called Crystal up to talk. It breaks my heart, this mother looks like she is in dire pain, the father to. However, I find something very odd in today's presser. Maybe I am reading to much into it. If someone knows how to get a still photo of Ron while in the back row please add, and you will see what I mean.

Mad- I had a hard time seeing his expression during that moment. BUT, what I saw after going back to that section of the video, he (RC) also is conversing the entire time with a member of LE in the background. Im not sure what dept that officer works for......but he was also responding with nods and such.

IMO- it's really RUDE & Insensitive of RC to be talking when the mother of his child is in pain. This occurs 1 minute before the end of the tape, for those who didnt catch it. I dont know what to make of it. I know and believe they are all upset, but still, he should give CS the same respect when shes up there and she went as far as to include him in her plea for Haliegh. Just bugs me!

Law_girl41
03-10-2009, 10:37 PM
IMO- this presser was to give aknowledgement on behalf of The Justice Coralition and their plea to the public to do the right thing, if they know anything. And to give the family one last oportunity to plea for Haleighs return, corrilates with the spokepersons plea and annoucement of the new reward amount.

what Im feeling is the reason for the families plea was at the request of TJC in order to help get more tips ......someone out there knows something and they are at their mercy.

Annie
03-10-2009, 10:52 PM
Maybe she had been crying all morning, and no tears were coming out. I get "all cried out." It's still crying. That has happened to me on several occasions. Maybe it wasn't close enough for anyone to see tears. Maybe she was wiping her tears away before they fell. You can't say for a certaintly that she didn't shed a tear. I go with my gut feeling to things, and seeing and hearing Crystal talk made my heart break. It's really funny how people can see things so differently. All of this is of course MOO.

I agree. It looked and sounded to me like her heart was breaking and I cried right along with her. I didn't see anything fake about it.

SeriouslySearching
03-10-2009, 10:59 PM
Ronald has not been disrespectful of Crystal yet and I did not see anything disrespectful towards her in the presser today. I saw both were very emotional and I believe they are privy to some new information which isn't good news, imo. I don't believe today was about the JC or about reward money being raised. I think today had a different feel and it was deadly serious.

Law_girl41
03-10-2009, 11:27 PM
I disagree....it had a point and at the first veiwing I missed that exchange between RC & LE (to RCs right or your left). I listened to the presser twice. TJC had center stage....a win/win situation I might add. More reward money will hopefully bring forth new tips. LE needs a new lead, something!! Which is what we all here want, is a break in this case. What was the most serious was Haleighs parents both plead for their daughters return; and Ron was rude by having a conversation while crystal was speaking! And that is disrespectful to the mother, because she was speaking from her heart also......that is her child too!! And she was all inclusive of everything she needed to say, and that included aknowledging Halieghs daddy! I did not mock his plead for his child, I remarked on his behavior afterwards with a LEO {initials: JM}. The emotions where running high, ours would too if we knew this was likely to be the last plea for Halighs return and pump up the reward. And I am more than likely willing to lay odds that LE, FBI and TJC had discussed this presser before hand and how they all wanted it to go down today. Ron & Cyrstal were both emotional before each one of them got up to speak, even. omg, has not been disrespectful?! How would anyone know for certain of that?

Anyway, I could careless what they were talking about......football? weather? .....all Im saying is... I wondered why he would be so rude to speak almost the entire time crystal was up there?.....and now (while Ive been typing this) I am asking to find out who this LE is and what role does he play in the investigation?

SeriouslySearching
03-11-2009, 12:03 AM
I guess we will have to completely disagree yet again.

I have listened to every word Ronald has said and to date there has been nothing bad come out of his mouth about Crystal.

For him to lean over to whisper quietly to the officer today was not disrespectful or meant to be in any way, imo. We do not know if he was asking if what he said would make a difference to get Haleigh back alive or if he was telling the man that he felt like he was going to pass out from exhaustion. There is no way to know since we could not hear the conversation taking place. He could have been asking someone to watch to make sure Crystal didn't crumble to the ground!

Scorpian
03-11-2009, 12:06 AM
I disagree....it had a point and at the first veiwing I missed that exchange between RC & LE (to RCs right or your left). I listened to the presser twice. TJC had center stage....a win/win situation I might add. More reward money will hopefully bring forth new tips. LE needs a new lead, something!! Which is what we all here want, is a break in this case. What was the most serious was Haleighs parents both plead for their daughters return; and Ron was rude by having a conversation while crystal was speaking! And that is disrespectful to the mother, because she was speaking from her heart also......that is her child too!! And she was all inclusive of everything she needed to say, and that included aknowledging Halieghs daddy! I did not mock his plead for his child, I remarked on his behavior afterwards with a LEO {initials: JM}. The emotions where running high, ours would too if we knew this was likely to be the last plea for Halighs return and pump up the reward. And I am more than likely willing to lay odds that LE, FBI and TJC had discussed this presser before hand and how they all wanted it to go down today. Ron & Cyrstal were both emotional before each one of them got up to speak, even. omg, has not been disrespectful?! How would anyone know for certain of that?

Anyway, I could careless what they were talking about......football? weather? .....all Im saying is... I wondered why he would be so rude to speak almost the entire time crystal was up there?.....and now (while Ive been typing this) I am asking to find out who this LE is and what role does he play in the investigation?

I wrote of the same thing on another thread...I was furious at RC's behavior. I have come to realize that his monotone speaking may be normal for him, but his coming on acting like a 90 yr old being helped by his mom ( I also saw this on a clip when they were entering the courthouse or SO office, he was helping mom, I think), It all seems to be a big show, not in doing the right thing but "show and say" the appropriate things...RC was totally trying upstage CS He was so transparent.

Ron was totally rude during this interview, he made it seem as if it was a funeral, the camera focused on MC when they pleaded for the person to do the right thing...OHHHH there is so much on this presser that is wrong I don't know where to begin...I have watched it over and over and get madder and madder..

There is a reason for this presser and I feel we will find out real soon the outcome. It would be a miracle if Haleigh were still alive, miracles do still happen.

Cerenity2u
03-11-2009, 12:22 AM
Yes! I noticed he said find "them."

I took it as finding Haleigh and who ever has her...which would be why he said "them"...I do believe he is on meds big time though.

harleysnana
03-11-2009, 12:33 AM
I think it is possible they received a message, strong lead, or a ransom note perhaps. Watching the faces on LE and people surrounding them plus the things said from Ronald and Crystal. (Even the fact she mentioned Ronald at all was curious)

I agree!
If you watch the guy in the back with the tan suit I think it's the sheriff...
his eyes kept scanning the crowd like he was looking for a reaction
or something.

Brwnigirl
03-11-2009, 12:43 AM
did you notice crystals hands shaking at the end there. she brought tears to my eyes, I think she's being really genuine.

not sure if Ron was sedated, drunk, or what but he had zero emotional impact.

Has Ron ever said anything in these pressers about Crystal like "your mommy and daddy" the way she does or anything supportive regarding her. Are they speaking to each other?

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 12:44 AM
What made an impact on me was when the lady in charge offered the reward for info leading to the arrest & conviction of the person who took haleigh. Not for info for her return. IMO, this presser wasn't a plea session, it was strategic. I think it was a family member or friend who took her. I think LE knows that somebody is close to talking and needed that extra nudge.
The LE ? behind and to the left of Crystal looked like he was gonna start crying along with her.

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 12:54 AM
Has Ron ever said anything in these pressers about Crystal like "your mommy and daddy" the way she does or anything supportive regarding her. Are they speaking to each other?

Not that I've heard. His side of the family is all about Ron and Misty (Haleigh's new mommy).
What she said is what a mommy would say, in case her baby was watching.
Telling her that mommy and daddy, the two most important people in Haleigh's world love her and need her home.
I haven't seen Crystal this broken before, something is going on.
It brings back that question, why did a judge give custody to RC ??

claudicici
03-11-2009, 01:00 AM
....I did feel as if they both know who took her...and as if they both lost hope...it was really sad...IMO RC was really sedated and I couldn't find anything fake about crystal..

Brwnigirl
03-11-2009, 01:00 AM
Not that I've heard. His side of the family is all about Ron and Misty (Haleigh's new mommy).
What she said is what a mommy would say, in case her baby was watching.
Telling her that mommy and daddy, the two most important people in Haleigh's world love her and need her home.
I haven't seen Crystal this broken before, something is going on.
It brings back that question, why did a judge give custody to RC ??

Maybe at the time she was not capable of looking after Hayleigh and maybe she got things together but did not go back and try to get custody. That could have a lot to do with what type of person Ron is, in my opinion.
I don't know her past, lots of things are not as they seem, but she seems genuine to me in this presser and I agree, she is broken.

alwaysonmymind
03-11-2009, 01:06 AM
What made an impact on me was when the lady in charge offered the reward for info leading to the arrest & conviction of the person who took haleigh. Not for info for her return. IMO, this presser wasn't a plea session, it was strategic. I think it was a family member or friend who took her. I think LE knows that somebody is close to talking and needed that extra nudge.
The LE ? behind and to the left of Crystal looked like he was gonna start crying along with her.

ITA- and btw, that was Jeff Hardy, the new Sheriff.

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 01:07 AM
Funny how RC had to be helped up to the podium but then makes a miraculous recovery a few minutes later while talking to the LE guy or whoever.
IMO, RC didn't want to speak but did so for appearance sake while CS, after being told she didn't have to speak due to her emotional state, felt obligated to do so for her child.
I think that RC was able to fool the judge and child services into believing he was the better parent but he knows with so many people watching he can't fool us all.

JaneInOz
03-11-2009, 01:07 AM
Hmmmm

Why does he thank the people for trying to find "em"

Not find Haleigh or Her but "em" (them)

This Presser distrubed me too..something was definitely up. And I agree that the woman leading the presser was trying to get someone to "spill the beans"

And MAYBE they upped the anti to 35grand to entice the perps out..I truly suspect this is $$ motivated

And does anyone know who that Lady was at the end of the line that Ron hugged ???

In regards to Crystal....I'm not 100 percent but I believe her statement ? if you could all it that - was genuine

kamky
03-11-2009, 01:14 AM
I think the purpose of the pressor was to do anything possible to generate more tips that might be the break they need. They emphasized the increased reward and for anyone who knows anything to listen to their conscience and call in. And included the parents' combined pleas. Both RC & CS came across as truly devastated to me. RC looks like he has lost half his body weight. IMO, his smile was for Chrystal to encourage her to speak. He was looking straight at her as she headed to the mike. I feel for both of them. They must feel so helpless and broken down at this point and just desperately want their baby. I bet they don't even know which way is up anymore.

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 01:16 AM
Maybe at the time she was not capable of looking after Hayleigh and maybe she got things together but did not go back and try to get custody. That could have a lot to do with what type of person Ron is, in my opinion.
I don't know her past, lots of things are not as they seem, but she seems genuine to me in this presser and I agree, she is broken.

I went through a family court fiasco with my teen and it is torture. What they do makes very little sense to me. The docs show that her notice to appear was sent to an incorrect address, RC was in court and was automatically given temporary custody because he was there. When she went to court, IMO the judge decided to leave well enough alone and cited the fact that CS was unemployed, since RC had the financial means to care for them, he won.
And Haleigh's gone.
I also think that fathers sometimes do better in family court because they're usually less emotional and don't volunteer information that makes them look less than perfect the way many of us females seem to do.

slippery-slope
03-11-2009, 01:18 AM
Hi I'm new, although I've been lurking here and there.
The whole issue of the children calling the girlfriend mommy/mom, what is the big deal? I've heard many stories of a single dad becoming involved with a new girlfriend and the children ask "are you going to be my new Mom", and as the relationship continues children even brag to their friends "My new mom, let's me do this or that." So IMO children this age it happens, and it's not ment to hurt the actual Mom. IMO It also happens with the mom's new boyfriend too! Now if the kids were teenagers that's a different story. LOL

Brwnigirl
03-11-2009, 01:26 AM
I went through a family court fiasco with my teen and it is torture. What they do makes very little sense to me. The docs show that her notice to appear was sent to an incorrect address, RC was in court and was automatically given temporary custody because he was there. When she went to court, IMO the judge decided to leave well enough alone and cited the fact that CS was unemployed, since RC had the financial means to care for them, he won.
And Haleigh's gone.
I also think that fathers sometimes do better in family court because they're usually less emotional and don't volunteer information that makes them look less than perfect the way many of us females seem to do.

Yes, I know what you mean. Sometimes it can be that the person just didn't show up, Crystal had no lawyer there to adjourn the matter. Sometimes even if the parents are there, a judge takes a certain liking to one party or so it seems.

suspicious mind
03-11-2009, 01:26 AM
It was reported on HLN that Ron had a breakdown last night and has been heavily sedated. I just checked for a link not there yet will keep checking they eventually show up.

Funny how someone can be fragile enough to have a nervous breakdown, yet tranquil enough to propose and celebrate at Chili's. Perhaps those meds need some adjusting.

blubuni99
03-11-2009, 01:29 AM
This is just my opinion - or actually my imaginination but this video definitely helped with the image - I just imagine if Haleigh is never found (or found dead), I can see Ron sitting in a bar in the middle of the day, like 10 years from now - STILL heartbroken and sad. In the one I watched (the "uncut raw" one) when he started talking TO Haleigh, he looked like he was holding back tears. So yeah. I just imagine that if Haleigh isn't found alive, Ron is forever going to be broken and sad. That's just my opinion though.

Brwnigirl
03-11-2009, 01:37 AM
Try not to read something into every word they say, every eye movement, every gesture, every action. Imagine yourself in their shoes and whether you could pass such intense scrutiny in the anonymous internet opinions of people whom you have never met, do not know and who have never known your child. Impossible.

JMHO

It is hard not to examine everything about them and I really think it is because they have not been officially cleared, it makes you keep wondering, keep watching.
I don't know if I could pass the scrutiny and I am not sure I would care because I would be focused on finding my child not what people thought of me.
I am reminded of Marc Klaas who basically said "go ahead and scrutinize me and get on with finding my daughter too".

I still pray for the family and I do believe they love Hayleigh. Even if Misty seems ready to give up on the fact that Hayleigh is alive, or that Ron is completely inconsistent and I don't know why Crystal wouldn't/ couldn't fight for her daughter.

SeriouslySearching
03-11-2009, 01:47 AM
Welcome to WS, SlipperySlope! I agree. Even Crystal has said how much the children love Misty.

scandi
03-11-2009, 02:34 AM
I hope this is O/T, but I was sitting here thinking about the line of stalwart Lawmen lined up at today's presser.

Without a trace was just ending. Jack Malone was talking to the newbie on the force. "I got some good advice when I took over this job. My old boss said to me, Jack, remember these 3 things:

* Stick with the facts
* remember your training
* don't take your job home with you

The newby said, "and how'd that work out Jack"

Jack looked him in the eye and said, "The facts are hardly ever what they seem to be, no amount of training can prepare you for seeing what people can do to each other and taking it home, that gets the job done".


I'm holding that thought for the officers working on Haleigh's case. xox

JaneInOz
03-11-2009, 03:00 AM
Hi I'm new, although I've been lurking here and there.
The whole issue of the children calling the girlfriend mommy/mom, what is the big deal? I've heard many stories of a single dad becoming involved with a new girlfriend and the children ask "are you going to be my new Mom", and as the relationship continues children even brag to their friends "My new mom, let's me do this or that." So IMO children this age it happens, and it's not ment to hurt the actual Mom. IMO It also happens with the mom's new boyfriend too! Now if the kids were teenagers that's a different story. LOL

Thats NOT the norm within 6 mths of having a *step mother* figure to be calling her mummy when their mother is actually still in the picture

Lexington
03-11-2009, 03:05 AM
I just watched the presser for a second time and can't get past the feeling that its purpose was to convince someone to come forward and tell all that they know. I think LE has a very good idea of who is responsible, but needs substantiated information. The fact that all of the involved agencies were present, plus the sign with the amount of the reward posted in large letters tells me that they were using show of force with the reward as a huge incentive. Crystal's grief was very believable to me, as it has always been, Ron however is another story. IMO If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....... I haven't liked this guy from the start.

Lexington
03-11-2009, 03:10 AM
That's so funny,we must have been writing at the same time.LOL

I know, when I started reading your post, I thought it was mine. LOL. Just curious, what is your feeling about Ron? Agree or disagree?

Lexington
03-11-2009, 03:16 AM
I'm going to delete mine,because they're so much alike,I'm glad you felt that too,

You don't have to do that. Who says that two people can't reach the same conclusion.

winterrose
03-11-2009, 03:17 AM
I know, when I started reading your post, I thought it was mine. LOL. Just curious, what is your feeling about Ron? Agree or disagree?

I am having a hard time with that,I don't believe Misty's story.I look at the videos with him and Haleigh and he's obviously so in love with that child.He's been making some bad PR decisions this last week and a half that is for sure.When I first saw the yard interview when this happened,it seemed fake.I feel bad,but it did.His pleas are half way and I have wondered if it's because he is angry and knows who has her.Today,he was really out of it,probably anti depressants.I'm still waiting for more actions before I decide further.I watch the LE around him,I don't think they like him.

claudicici
03-11-2009, 03:17 AM
...I know that question isn't directed to me Lexington,but IMO I don't like Ron either,however I think he loves Hayleigh very much and has nothing to do with her disapearance.

winterrose
03-11-2009, 04:38 AM
Well,I already logged off and had a thought.You know I've been correlating the Haleigh/Caylee,Ann Marie/Marie,bd 8/17 bd 8/9 taken hours before Memorial for media and public attention scenario,so who all would have access to that info?The school,courthouse,Medical office,family,anyone that had access to Haleigh's personnal info to know and be watching the house and for what purpose?I don't know,just had the thought,maybe some sicko for attention,or ask for ransom when the reward is high enough,or working with others to get the reward money,when they've actually been the ones to do the crime.

JaneInOz
03-11-2009, 05:56 AM
Well,I already logged off and had a thought.You know I've been correlating the Haleigh/Caylee,Ann Marie/Marie,bd 8/17 bd 8/9 taken hours before Memorial for media and public attention scenario,so who all would have access to that info?The school,courthouse,Medical office,family,anyone that had access to Haleigh's personnal info to know and be watching the house and for what purpose?I don't know,just had the thought,maybe some sicko for attention,or ask for ransom when the reward is high enough,or working with others to get the reward money,when they've actually been the ones to do the crime.

Ive been saying since day one and over and over this is for the $$$$ and noteriety.
Hot on the heels of Caylees Memorial

10th Feb

Haleigh announced missing by Misty at 3am FEB 10th

:rolleyes:

Bobbisangel
03-11-2009, 06:05 AM
I didn't see any tears either.

With this this strange presser that struck me as kind of a "last chance" to plead for Hayleigh, and the "engagement" I sense something might be happening soon.

I think Ron was drunk. the pleaseifyouhavemydaughtererturnher all strung together gave me the impression he didn't want to be doing it. Like he was told what to say and wanted it over with asap.

MOO


If Ron had a breakdown recently I would guess that he is on a medication for anxiety and depression. That is probably why he wasn't acting like himself today. I doubt if he would show up at a press conference drunk. Everyone would have smelled it on him. If his minister has been with him everyday since Haleigh disappeared I doubt if he is drinking or doing anything else. I guess Ron is right...regardless of what he does it leads to negative talk about him. I'm sure if any of us had a little girl that is 5 yrs old who had been missing for a month we would probably fall apart too and be on some strong medication. I don't know how people survive having a little child missing. Their imagination has to just run wild especially when they are alone and at night when everything is quiet. Maybe we should try putting ourselves in Ron's shoes for awhile then maybe we wouldn't be so judgmental. Of course we couldn't do that because we haven't been there and don't have a clue what he is feeling. Of one thing I have no doubt...he loves his little girl and wants her back home and I hope that wish comes true.

buckeyefan1
03-11-2009, 07:03 AM
My heart just aches for these people. RC looks like he is just wasting away.

And Crystal just broke my heart. Her crying was genuine to me she had that full nose that you get when you are so broken up.

I always said that if something like this had happened to me they would have had to put me in a padded, soundproof room I would be crying and screaming all of the time.

I cannot in my wildest dreams know how I would act in the real situation.

I have thought to myself often about this family that they obviously do not have the educations and finances that the A's have but they have so much more than the A's.
Putting Haleigh first, respect for LE and the work they are doing, and emotions that strike me as very real. JMHO

TxLady2
03-11-2009, 07:55 AM
OK ... I'll get ready to run, after I post this message. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7081/bagwe3.gif

I saw no tears from Crystal ... only wiping of eyes .. and she appeared to have either allot of mascara on or fake eyelashes. No running of mascara.

No tears from Ron ...

Sorry, just my observations. http://www.createphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/uhohhide.gif

http://img61.photobucket.com/albums/v185/MemoryLane/bolt.gif


I saw plenty of tears, along with a broken voice, a few shudders as in trying to keep from sobbing out loud. Not sure why you couldn't see them but she did keep wiping them away with a tissue. Her eyes were wet, seemed full of tears to me. And yes, she was wearing mascara, nothing wrong with that, IMO. OTOH, Ron looked almost zombie-ish, no emotion at all... flat voice, not a tear in sight, and just out of it in general.
I guess we see what we want to see.

TxLady2
03-11-2009, 08:02 AM
Per both Ron's mother and his Pastor (who has been with RC every day since this happened) he is being heavily sedated after having a breakdown. I heard this this morning at 4 or 5 a.m on HLN or something. Haleigh's disappearance combined with the media rumor attacks on his character, nature and past have taken a heavy toll. He feels as if no matter what he does someone will find negativity and or a reason to attack and pick.

But I do want to point out that sometimes after time passes people become emotionally drained and quite numb. We can all sit here and say how we would be, might be, or how we should or would react, do etc. But until you are that person, in that very position at the moment in time we shouldn't pick IMO. Sometimes people react in a completely unexpected manner but doesn't mean they are guilty of anything.

No LE hasn't cleared anybody at this point. But LE has not said that ANYONE IS A POI at this point either. So I will reserve until LE gives me something tangible.

You are absolutely correct, people do become numb after a time, and we should not judge either one of them for their reactions.
I do believe Crystal's emotions were not fake, those were real tears, and she was almost sobbing. This has taken a toll on her as well.

Kat
03-11-2009, 08:29 AM
You are absolutely correct, people do become numb after a time, and we should not judge either one of them for their reactions.
I do believe Crystal's emotions were not fake, those were real tears, and she was almost sobbing. This has taken a toll on her as well.

I'm agreeing with you and Anais. I heard Tiffany Sessions father speak last night on NG and then came back this morning and watched this presser again.

CS and RC are now at one month since their precious baby girl Haleigh disappeared into the night. I haven't walked in their shoes and I pray that I never have to, but I do see how after a month of mindnumbing anxiety and a type of grief that would bring the strongest of us to our knees...that there might be a moment when there just aren't enough tears in the world.

There might come a time when we would have to close down emotionally enough to make it through that next minute, that next hour, that next day without screaming or ripping out our hair and gnashing our teeth.

I, personally, am not gauging their body language in this presser. But that's just me.

Personally, I have only seen one member of this group that has shown some unsettling body language as of late, that has made some statements that have made me cock an eyebrow for a moment, but she is not a biological relative and she is only an immature 17 yr old herself.

Baznme
03-11-2009, 08:39 AM
OK ... I'll get ready to run, after I post this message. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7081/bagwe3.gif

I saw no tears from Crystal ... only wiping of eyes .. and she appeared to have either allot of mascara on or fake eyelashes. No running of mascara.

No tears from Ron ...

Sorry, just my observations. http://www.createphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/uhohhide.gif

http://img61.photobucket.com/albums/v185/MemoryLane/bolt.gif

If you had cried everyday for the past 29 days, you would know that eventually your tear ducts become swollen and irritated and the tears slow down but the pain never subsides. There were tears. They were not only coming from her eyes but her nose. Her pleas are gut wrenching - for God's sake - she's this child's MOTHER! Why would anyone question the sincerity of those emotions?!

Ron is so medicated, he doesn't know which end is up and he's lost so much weight since Haleigh's disappearance, I would imagine it's become a concern to family members. People like us on the outside looking in on those that are IN this arena, that find it so difficult to spot the tears yet notice the mascara or eyelashes - that claim there's been a fresh manicure when in actuality, the nails are broken and chipped due to days and days of neglect, I am asking you to take another look. Go to Satsuma as a friend of mine has done and look more closely. She did something positive - to help in any way she could - and looked these people straight in the eye - all that pain is right there. There's no mistaking it.

aprilshowers
03-11-2009, 11:11 AM
I thought these two pictures were interesting:

1. While Crystal was up talking, Ron was in back ... chatting to LE, very distant to whatever C was saying or doing.

2. A big ole grin on Ron's face.

aprilshowers
03-11-2009, 11:25 AM
If you had cried everyday for the past 29 days, you would know that eventually your tear ducts become swollen and irritated and the tears slow down but the pain never subsides. There were tears. They were not only coming from her eyes but her nose. Her pleas are gut wrenching - for God's sake - she's this child's MOTHER! Why would anyone question the sincerity of those emotions?!

Ron is so medicated, he doesn't know which end is up and he's lost so much weight since Haleigh's disappearance, I would imagine it's become a concern to family members. People like us on the outside looking in on those that are IN this arena, that find it so difficult to spot the tears yet notice the mascara or eyelashes - that claim there's been a fresh manicure when in actuality, the nails are broken and chipped due to days and days of neglect, I am asking you to take another look. Go to Satsuma as a friend of mine has done and look more closely. She did something positive - to help in any way she could - and looked these people straight in the eye - all that pain is right there. There's no mistaking it.


I respect your opinion ... but I feel differently. Guess we'll agree to disagree.

kittylyn461
03-11-2009, 11:35 AM
I respect your opinion ... but I feel differently. Guess we'll agree to disagree.


I think that it was planned and that we will just have to trust they know what they are doing

Indigo
03-11-2009, 11:37 AM
Yes, I know what you mean. Sometimes it can be that the person just didn't show up, Crystal had no lawyer there to adjourn the matter. Sometimes even if the parents are there, a judge takes a certain liking to one party or so it seems.

IIRC, the court documents said that Crystal lost the right to dispute by failure to appear.

Sunburst70791
03-11-2009, 11:40 AM
I thought these two pictures were interesting:

1. While Crystal was up talking, Ron was in back ... chatting to LE, very distant to whatever C was saying or doing.

2. A big ole grin on Ron's face.

THanks for posting those! When I watched the video of the presser yesterday I thought I saw a smirk/smile on his face...it kinda creeped me out. I can't imagine anybody saying anything that would warrant a smile...a smirk maybe? moo.

Anais
03-11-2009, 11:44 AM
You are absolutely correct, people do become numb after a time, and we should not judge either one of them for their reactions.
I do believe Crystal's emotions were not fake, those were real tears, and she was almost sobbing. This has taken a toll on her as well.

TxLady you are right on target with me. Neither should be judged. It does make me feel more sad for RC because from the get go this guy has been not only victim of losing his precious little girl, but also victim of vicious rumors, assumptions, accusations, innuendos,even some out right lies, and it seems that no matter what this young man does somebody will find a nasty twist. It is very disheartening because last time I checked this young man is still the victim here too as much as Crystal who for some reason everyone gives a free pass on everything and complete 100% benefit of doubt. I think that it is positively shameful. JMHO.

IMO it's absolutely ludicrous to think that RC and MC concocted this fake abduction or whatever on the heels of Caylee's memorial for money. I believe that if that were in fact the case LE would most definitely have broken that by now. They would have to be idiots not to have.

I spoke with my uncle last weekend about this case and he had some intresting thoughts about it. He is LE in Chicago, Il. homicide and has worked many a missing persons before as well. He said that sometimes in a case like this LE will state that nobody has been cleared when the actual tactic is to not let on to the actual perp or target they have in mind. It gives them more info. They are keeping everything tucked into their vests for a reason. In his opinion LE does know alot more than what they are telling and they're going to keep it that way until there is an arrest.

aprilshowers
03-11-2009, 11:49 AM
From what I saw ... Ron was talking to the LE guy, for just about all the time Crystal was up there.

Special_K
03-11-2009, 12:03 PM
As far as screen caps of video go, expressions can be simply someone squinting their eyes or just in between movements.

JMO

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 12:04 PM
I have personal experience with anti-anxiety drugs like xanax, which I believe is the most likely drug being provided to Ron. I specifically recall that even though I was in a very emotional situation, when I was recently given my dose of xanax, I could not cry or produce tears. I would feel a hard lump in my throat, my face would look like I was about to cry, but no tears for this life-long boober. I was not numb, it just felt like the tear well had run dry and my body was "dry-heaving" so to speak (sorry if that was too graphic).
I don't believe Ron was back there, just laughin' it up. We couldn't see his eyes, and with only his mouth showing, it could appear like a smile. IMHO, I believe it was more likely a "grimace", much like I experienced while taking xanax.

Special_K
03-11-2009, 12:11 PM
I have personal experience with anti-anxiety drugs like xanax, which I believe is the most likely drug being provided to Ron. I specifically recall that even though I was in a very emotional situation, when I was recently given my dose of xanax, I could not cry or produce tears. I would feel a hard lump in my throat, my face would look like I was about to cry, but no tears for this life-long boober. I was not numb, it just felt like the tear well had run dry and my body was "dry-heaving" so to speak (sorry if that was too graphic).
I don't believe Ron was back there, just laughin' it up. We couldn't see his eyes, and with only his mouth showing, it could appear like a smile. IMHO, I believe it was more likely a "grimace", much like I experienced while taking xanax.

I agree. No one can tell me that GA and CA weren't medicated at Caylee's memorial.

SeriouslySearching
03-11-2009, 12:59 PM
People are going to see what they want to see when looking at the stills of the presser. I don't see a smile either, but a grimace type expression and perhaps a bit of relief that having to speak is over. I know if I were medicated and had to speak possibly to the kidnapper of my child, I would feel relief if the Sheriff perhaps told me what I said was helpful or that I did a good job. We don't know what was being said between Ronald and the Sheriff, but I sincerely doubt that Ronald was making light conversation about the weather.

Littleone48
03-11-2009, 01:04 PM
TxLady you are right on target with me. Neither should be judged. It does make me feel more sad for RC because from the get go this guy has been not only victim of losing his precious little girl, but also victim of vicious rumors, assumptions, accusations, innuendos,even some out right lies, and it seems that no matter what this young man does somebody will find a nasty twist. It is very disheartening because last time I checked this young man is still the victim here too as much as Crystal who for some reason everyone gives a free pass on everything and complete 100% benefit of doubt. I think that it is positively shameful. JMHO.

IMO it's absolutely ludicrous to think that RC and MC concocted this fake abduction or whatever on the heels of Caylee's memorial for money. I believe that if that were in fact the case LE would most definitely have broken that by now. They would have to be idiots not to have.

I spoke with my uncle last weekend about this case and he had some intresting thoughts about it. He is LE in Chicago, Il. homicide and has worked many a missing persons before as well. He said that sometimes in a case like this LE will state that nobody has been cleared when the actual tactic is to not let on to the actual perp or target they have in mind. It gives them more info. They are keeping everything tucked into their vests for a reason. In his opinion LE does know alot more than what they are telling and they're going to keep it that way until there is an arrest.

:gold_crown: This has to be the best post yet. Thank you!

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 01:10 PM
TxLady you are right on target with me. Neither should be judged. It does make me feel more sad for RC because from the get go this guy has been not only victim of losing his precious little girl, but also victim of vicious rumors, assumptions, accusations, innuendos,even some out right lies, and it seems that no matter what this young man does somebody will find a nasty twist. It is very disheartening because last time I checked this young man is still the victim here too as much as Crystal who for some reason everyone gives a free pass on everything and complete 100% benefit of doubt. I think that it is positively shameful. JMHO.

:woohoo:

Thank you, for this post i have been feeling this way since day one....Just couldn't explain it the way you just did.....
Im sorry, i am new to this post so please excuse any mistakes i have made..

kittylyn461
03-11-2009, 01:21 PM
From what I saw ... Ron was talking to the LE guy, for just about all the time Crystal was up there.

Maybe he was saying to the guy i hope this works i want my little girl back home. or how did i do?

Indigo
03-11-2009, 01:33 PM
TxLady you are right on target with me. Neither should be judged. It does make me feel more sad for RC because from the get go this guy has been not only victim of losing his precious little girl, but also victim of vicious rumors, assumptions, accusations, innuendos,even some out right lies, and it seems that no matter what this young man does somebody will find a nasty twist. It is very disheartening because last time I checked this young man is still the victim here too as much as Crystal who for some reason everyone gives a free pass on everything and complete 100% benefit of doubt. I think that it is positively shameful. JMHO.

IMO it's absolutely ludicrous to think that RC and MC concocted this fake abduction or whatever on the heels of Caylee's memorial for money. I believe that if that were in fact the case LE would most definitely have broken that by now. They would have to be idiots not to have.

I spoke with my uncle last weekend about this case and he had some intresting thoughts about it. He is LE in Chicago, Il. homicide and has worked many a missing persons before as well. He said that sometimes in a case like this LE will state that nobody has been cleared when the actual tactic is to not let on to the actual perp or target they have in mind. It gives them more info. They are keeping everything tucked into their ves
ts for a reason. In his opinion LE does know alot more than what they are telling and they're going to keep it that way until there is an arrest.

Hi, Anais. It's always hard when the divisions start to take place in these cases. Unfortunately, LE has ruled no one out as a suspect, so all we can do is sleuth in the direction we feel the facts and our own instincts take us--without sentimentality. This may involve analyzing a person's body language, statements or actions.

I agree that we should never be mean-spirited while doing it.

Maybe it would help to have support threads for those who want to support rather than sleuth Ron/Crystal/Misty, etc. Maybe you could start one for Ron. Just a suggestion.

em1025
03-11-2009, 01:52 PM
Even though Justice Coalition is based in Jacksonville, It struck me odd that Jacksonville Sheriff's Office has their PIO present at the presser. I wonder if JSO is working w/local LE.

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 01:52 PM
Hi, Anais. It's always hard when the divisions start to take place in these cases. Unfortunately, LE has ruled no one out as a suspect, so all we can do is sleuth in the direction we feel the facts and our own instincts take us--without sentimentality. This may involve analyzing a person's body language, statements or actions.

I agree that we should never be mean-spirited while doing it.

Maybe it would help to have support threads for those who want to support rather than sleuth Ron/Crystal/Misty, etc. Maybe you could start one for Ron. Just a suggestion.

I started out sympathizing with all parties involved, it's just my nature. I don't like to see anybody hurt regardless of their past history.
Then I saw post after post trashing Crystal because she didn't have custody of her children. I heard she must have done something horrible or she would have had her kids and Ron must be much better or he wouldn't have custody.
I consider myself a victim of the family court, I have absolutely no faith or trust in the system set up to protect our children and with good reason along with plenty of documentation.
The awful posts about CS with no justification other than she owes child support (my ex owes $27k and that is not the reason I think he's a loser) made me furious and I felt compelled to come to her defense. After learning more about RC it was an easy thing to do.
I don't like him, I think he's a fake and I think CS should have custody of the kids. I have family members just like him and he may deserve sympathy but not the blind support being given by many who defend him while trashing Haleigh's mom.
Misty & Ron are the focus in this case because she was in their care and custody when she went missing and Misty's story is hard to swallow.
It doesn't mean their guilty but it makes perfect sense to question their statements and actions.

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.

If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?IMHOA

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 01:59 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.

If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?IMHOA

That would be easier to do if he wasn't 'moving on' with his life so soon after his child disappeared into thin air.

SuziQ
03-11-2009, 02:07 PM
I thought these two pictures were interesting:

1. While Crystal was up talking, Ron was in back ... chatting to LE, very distant to whatever C was saying or doing.

2. A big ole grin on Ron's face.

It was like someone flipped a switch between him talking and him walking to the back. It was odd.

I think that RC and CS spoke as if they know what happened. And that very well could be because LE clued them in on evidence discovered. Or it could be because of some personal knowledge.

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 02:10 PM
Respectfully,

We are not deciding Custody of someone else's children here. A court of law has decided that for everyone. Please leave it at that.

How would you like it if the world came into your life, on your darkest of days, and said- "forget the courts, it's our expert opinion that you couldn't possibly have been awarded custody in a fair and unbiased court, there MUST have been a mistake!"

It is not about sides here, an impartial judge made that ruling and so far, that status has not changed.

It's shameful to say that other parents are better because they still have their children accounted for. There is no standing for that, and I am having a hard time keeping a lid on it today. My apologies if this is taken wrong, but I think I am only being fair.

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 02:15 PM
I don't think grief prohibits you from continuing to live. Ron and Misty, per both their parents, (paraphrasing) are setting the stage to provide a better lifestyle for Haleigh when she comes back. Please let us not forget, Junior needs a home and a life filled with happiness to grow up in. Or would it be better if all of the adults in his life just lay down and die?

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 02:17 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.




Again another great post!!!!!
Couldn't have said it better myself.....
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::bow::applause:

SuziQ
03-11-2009, 02:18 PM
People are going to see what they want to see when looking at the stills of the presser. I don't see a smile either, but a grimace type expression and perhaps a bit of relief that having to speak is over. I know if I were medicated and had to speak possibly to the kidnapper of my child, I would feel relief if the Sheriff perhaps told me what I said was helpful or that I did a good job. We don't know what was being said between Ronald and the Sheriff, but I sincerely doubt that Ronald was making light conversation about the weather.

Who knows at this point what's going on inside with either parent. Prescription meds, self medicating, stress, sleep deprivation.

I can't take sides in this because IMO, they all have motive. And it never amazes me what people are capable of doing. That said, in any missing person case, making plans to move on so quickly before knowing the outcome is about as suspicious as it gets.

I keep coming back to, Misty was the last one to see Haleigh. And most non parental abductions are not abductions but reported as such to cover up a murder. Most Murdered children under the age of five are murdered by their parent or the parent's significant other.

Indigo
03-11-2009, 02:23 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.

If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?IMHOA

I don't think Crystal believes Ron had anything to do with this, so it make sense that no matter what their differences she still sees him as a victim.

We have to remember that even if a RSO became a suspect in this case, there would be a mom or relative somewhere saying the SO was a vicitm. These are subjective. So until LE clears somebody or gives us more information we're stuck.

SuziQ
03-11-2009, 02:25 PM
I don't think grief prohibits you from continuing to live. Ron and Misty, per both their parents, (paraphrasing) are setting the stage to provide a better lifestyle for Haleigh when she comes back. Please let us not forget, Junior needs a home and a life filled with happiness to grow up in. Or would it be better if all of the adults in his life just lay down and die?

Moving on eventually yes. Moving on so quickly and making plans that don't include the victim is the biggest red flag for LE there is. Scott Peterson watching porn, selling her car and putting the house up for sale. Shon Pernice listing himself as divorced on a dating website. Casey Anthony not looking for her daughter and living up as usual.

It's all suspicious. Does it mean something sinister? IDK. But I do know that LE takes serious note of actions like Ron and Misty's.

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 02:30 PM
Im sorry Tom'sGirl i see you have to keep fixing my post...
Could you tell me how to do the quotes Correct?
Again sorry...

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 02:31 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.

If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 02:32 PM
Moving on eventually yes. Moving on so quickly and making plans that don't include the victim is the biggest red flag for LE there is. Scott Peterson watching porn, selling her car and putting the house up for sale. Shon Pernice listing himself as divorced on a dating website. Casey Anthony not looking for her daughter and living up as usual.

It's all suspicious. Does it mean something sinister? IDK. But I do know that LE takes serious note of actions like Ron and Misty's.

While I am not cleared of all suspicions of Ron, I think there is a distinct difference between "continuing to live" - following thru with plans and dreams that have already been established.

It is another thing altogether when others, like the people you mentioned, celebrate the "New life" once the "pebble" has been removed from their shoe- so to speak.

Tom'sGirl
03-11-2009, 02:44 PM
Im sorry Tom'sGirl i see you have to keep fixing my post...
Could you tell me how to do the quotes Correct?
Again sorry...
Just hit the "Quote" down at the bottom of the post on the right and reply :)

Kenziema
03-11-2009, 02:45 PM
I have personal experience with anti-anxiety drugs like xanax, which I believe is the most likely drug being provided to Ron. I specifically recall that even though I was in a very emotional situation, when I was recently given my dose of xanax, I could not cry or produce tears. I would feel a hard lump in my throat, my face would look like I was about to cry, but no tears for this life-long boober. I was not numb, it just felt like the tear well had run dry and my body was "dry-heaving" so to speak (sorry if that was too graphic).
I don't believe Ron was back there, just laughin' it up. We couldn't see his eyes, and with only his mouth showing, it could appear like a smile. IMHO, I believe it was more likely a "grimace", much like I experienced while taking xanax.

I take Lexapro 20 daily. It is very hard for me to produce tears.

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 02:50 PM
Just hit the "Quote" down at the bottom of the post on the right and reply :)

I thought that is what i was doing....Thanks

Okay maybe not LOL

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Sorry don't mean to butt in....Is there any type of forum or discussion board about theories? Or to maybe sort out some facts?

Anais
03-11-2009, 03:04 PM
:gold_crown: This has to be the best post yet. Thank you!


Your welcome.

And yes Uncle Sedow will be hearing from me lots more so we can get more veteran LE insider type of guidance on why LE are doing what they are doing as well as where they may be going! (He really doesn't mind cause he's my godfather anyhow)

BTW I want to add that his thoughts are that it is someone either related or with close ties to this family and also he thinks that they wanted to possibly take RJ as well but failed because he was in bed with Misty.

Tom'sGirl
03-11-2009, 03:04 PM
Sorry don't mean to butt in....Is there any type of forum or discussion board about theories? Or to maybe sort out some facts?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79856

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 03:13 PM
BTW I want to add that his thoughts are that it is someone either related or with close ties to this family and also he thinks that they wanted to possibly take RJ as well but failed because he was in bed with Misty.

Excellent point!

aprilshowers
03-11-2009, 03:15 PM
People are going to see what they want to see when looking at the stills of the presser. I don't see a smile either, but a grimace type expression and perhaps a bit of relief that having to speak is over. I know if I were medicated and had to speak possibly to the kidnapper of my child, I would feel relief if the Sheriff perhaps told me what I said was helpful or that I did a good job. We don't know what was being said between Ronald and the Sheriff, but I sincerely doubt that Ronald was making light conversation about the weather.


Well, what I do know is ... Ron was talking to the LE for the entire time Crystal was up there. He never once looked at her, or seem to pay any attention to her. Watch for yourself.

Jholi
03-11-2009, 03:16 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.
Her reasons could also have been pure. It was simply a good thing to do, even if it wasn't necessary to make up for anything.


If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?
Simply labeling Ron as a victim doesn't encompass nearly enough dimensions of the tale for most of us, nor I expect, for Crystal.

To elaborate: Just because I see him or her as a victim and feel great pity for both does not mean I also believe he or she is innocent of many other things that could be relevant to the tragedy.

As an example: My son got $400 stolen from his wallet. Just because he was a victim didn't mean that the situation he put himself in became irrelevant to the incident or discussion about it. I couldn't teach him the importance of taking the proper sorts of personal responsibility for his own choices and learn lessons if I had seen him only as a victim or shielded him from criticism.

aprilshowers
03-11-2009, 03:18 PM
Hi, Anais. It's always hard when the divisions start to take place in these cases. Unfortunately, LE has ruled no one out as a suspect, so all we can do is sleuth in the direction we feel the facts and our own instincts take us--without sentimentality. This may involve analyzing a person's body language, statements or actions.

I agree that we should never be mean-spirited while doing it.

Maybe it would help to have support threads for those who want to support rather than sleuth Ron/Crystal/Misty, etc. Maybe you could start one for Ron. Just a suggestion.

I agree. I'm only stating how "I" feel .. and what "I" pick up on, which may or may not, be what anyone else feels or sees.

As I stated in another thread, if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it and apologize. Everybody will see things differently.

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 03:38 PM
Her reasons could also have been pure. It was simply a good thing to do, even if it weren't necessary to make up for anything.
I don't disagree that she believed it was a good thing to do. I am merely pointing out the change in her demeanor toward Ron and that, whether on her own or by advice of others, she realized it was in Haleigh's best interest to present a United Front. I applaud the change and only hope that we all follow suit.


Simply labeling Ron as a victim doesn't encompass nearly enough dimensions of the tale for most of us, nor I expect, for Crystal.

To elaborate: Just because I see him or her as a victim and feel great pity for him does not mean I also believe he or she is innocent of many other things that could be relevant to the tragedy.

My son got $400 stolen from his wallet. Just because he was a victim didn't mean that the situation he put himself in became irrelevant.

I am discussing this from the point of view of Crystal and her statements. I am not debating to what degree someone should be considered a victim in these circumstances. I heard Crystal speak of Ron in the same terms as she spoke of herself, simply that.

LFlorida
03-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Does anyone know who the woman is that Ron is hugging at the presser--she looked surprised.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18899331/index.html

I'm Ba-ack!

The woman that Ron hugged right after speaking at yesterday's presser was Kim Daley [sp?] who is the Vicitims Advocate for Putnam County.

Sorry for my absence - the murder of the 8 yr old last night happened just down the street from my house, and the kid had been at my house earlier in the afternoon. I heard all of the sirens, but thought it must have been more wildfires south of town. It's FCAT week [FL No Child Left Behind test] and I was trying to figure out how/what to tell my kids about "Little Man" getting killed. [Turns out the killer had just been taken in for psychiatric evaluation Monday. They dx'ed him with schizophrenia and then sent him home. grrr.]
My poor laptop was so eat up w/malware that I couldn't get on it anyway.

I'm sure I much to catch up on. In the meantime -

I wonder if yesterday's presser wasn't just spin control following the engagement announcement on Monday.

Indiana at Heart
03-11-2009, 04:21 PM
I'm Ba-ack!

The woman that Ron hugged right after speaking at yesterday's presser was Kim Daley [sp?] who is the Vicitims Advocate for Putnam County.

Sorry for my absence - the murder of the 8 yr old last night happened just down the street from my house, and the kid had been at my house earlier in the afternoon. I heard all of the sirens, but thought it must have been more wildfires south of town. It's FCAT week [FL No Child Left Behind test] and I was trying to figure out how/what to tell my kids about "Little Man" getting killed. [Turns out the killer had just been taken in for psychiatric evaluation Monday. They dx'ed him with schizophrenia and then sent him home. grrr.]
My poor laptop was so eat up w/malware that I couldn't get on it anyway.

I'm sure I much to catch up on. In the meantime -

I wonder if yesterday's presser wasn't just spin control following the engagement announcement on Monday.

I read that this morning about the 8 yr old so sad. Another young life taken too soon!!

SuziQ
03-11-2009, 04:27 PM
While I am not cleared of all suspicions of Ron, I think there is a distinct difference between "continuing to live" - following thru with plans and dreams that have already been established.

It is another thing altogether when others, like the people you mentioned, celebrate the "New life" once the "pebble" has been removed from their shoe- so to speak.

IMO, continuing to live or following through with plans so soon without your daughter is still suspicious. The typical reaction for people who have missing children is to stay in the same home the child went missing from for as long as possible, not change a thing in the childs room, leave the porch light on 24/7 for decades and not make any big decisions, because frankly, their mind and heart doesn't allow them to move on for a very long time.

Whatever the reasons behind Ron and Misty's actions, they are not typical. People know this, and is why people are critical of them.

SuziQ
03-11-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm Ba-ack!

The woman that Ron hugged right after speaking at yesterday's presser was Kim Daley [sp?] who is the Vicitims Advocate for Putnam County.

Sorry for my absence - the murder of the 8 yr old last night happened just down the street from my house, and the kid had been at my house earlier in the afternoon. I heard all of the sirens, but thought it must have been more wildfires south of town. It's FCAT week [FL No Child Left Behind test] and I was trying to figure out how/what to tell my kids about "Little Man" getting killed. [Turns out the killer had just been taken in for psychiatric evaluation Monday. They dx'ed him with schizophrenia and then sent him home. grrr.]
My poor laptop was so eat up w/malware that I couldn't get on it anyway.

I'm sure I much to catch up on. In the meantime -

I wonder if yesterday's presser wasn't just spin control following the engagement announcement on Monday.

Oh I am soooo sorry for everyone affected by that boys death. Another one that is tragic and could have been prevented. Prayers for everyone involved.

scratchthatitch
03-11-2009, 06:39 PM
IMO, continuing to live or following through with plans so soon without your daughter is still suspicious. The typical reaction for people who have missing children is to stay in the same home the child went missing from for as long as possible, not change a thing in the childs room, leave the porch light on 24/7 for decades and not make any big decisions, because frankly, their mind and heart doesn't allow them to move on for a very long time.

Whatever the reasons behind Ron and Misty's actions, they are not typical. People know this, and is why people are critical of them.

I don't want to paint myself into a corner where I find myself being either an advocate or foe of people I have never met.

While I have experienced tragedy in my life, I have not had a child taken from me, and I suspect few if any here have either. What I do know for sure is that there is NO TYPICAL REACTION for the family of a missing child.

Considering all the socio/economic differences between the families as well as the selective media coverage they receive, they run the spectrum. We simply cannot understand where they are all coming from, but where we should all agree is in the support of a positive environment for the remaining children who have needs that must to be met RIGHT NOW. MOO

Issi
03-11-2009, 07:03 PM
I'm Ba-ack!

The woman that Ron hugged right after speaking at yesterday's presser was Kim Daley [sp?] who is the Vicitims Advocate for Putnam County.

Sorry for my absence - the murder of the 8 yr old last night happened just down the street from my house, and the kid had been at my house earlier in the afternoon. I heard all of the sirens, but thought it must have been more wildfires south of town. It's FCAT week [FL No Child Left Behind test] and I was trying to figure out how/what to tell my kids about "Little Man" getting killed. [Turns out the killer had just been taken in for psychiatric evaluation Monday. They dx'ed him with schizophrenia and then sent him home. grrr.]
My poor laptop was so eat up w/malware that I couldn't get on it anyway.

I'm sure I much to catch up on. In the meantime -

I wonder if yesterday's presser wasn't just spin control following the engagement announcement on Monday.


Oh jeez... I'm so sorry for the loss in your community. That's horrible!!

Welcome back, and thanks for answering on who the woman is that Ron hugged yesterday.

SuziQ
03-11-2009, 08:20 PM
I don't want to paint myself into a corner where I find myself being either an advocate or foe of people I have never met.

While I have experienced tragedy in my life, I have not had a child taken from me, and I suspect few if any here have either. What I do know for sure is that there is NO TYPICAL REACTION for the family of a missing child.

Considering all the socio/economic differences between the families as well as the selective media coverage they receive, they run the spectrum. We simply cannot understand where they are all coming from, but where we should all agree is in the support of a positive environment for the remaining children who have needs that must to be met RIGHT NOW. MOO

There really is a typical and normal reaction to tragic situations. Any behavior outside of typical and norm does get noticed by LE for a reason.

IDK how positive this environment will be for JR. The person who failed at keeping him and his sister safe and might be the one responsible, is now going to be his stepmom and living in the same house. And it might be very disturbing for him to see his dad and stepmom behaving this way. This could very well be too much emotionally for him to handle, in addition to handling his sister being gone.

JaneInOz
03-11-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm Ba-ack!

The woman that Ron hugged right after speaking at yesterday's presser was Kim Daley [sp?] who is the Vicitims Advocate for Putnam County.

Sorry for my absence - the murder of the 8 yr old last night happened just down the street from my house, and the kid had been at my house earlier in the afternoon. I heard all of the sirens, but thought it must have been more wildfires south of town. It's FCAT week [FL No Child Left Behind test] and I was trying to figure out how/what to tell my kids about "Little Man" getting killed. [Turns out the killer had just been taken in for psychiatric evaluation Monday. They dx'ed him with schizophrenia and then sent him home. grrr.]
My poor laptop was so eat up w/malware that I couldn't get on it anyway.

I'm sure I much to catch up on. In the meantime -

I wonder if yesterday's presser wasn't just spin control following the engagement announcement on Monday.

:( Oh geeze :(



That poor little boy :(

Thank you for finding out who that lady was

SeriouslySearching
03-11-2009, 08:53 PM
Well, what I do know is ... Ron was talking to the LE for the entire time Crystal was up there. He never once looked at her, or seem to pay any attention to her. Watch for yourself.His concern is not Crystal. It is Haleigh.

Jinxy
03-11-2009, 09:05 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.

If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?IMHOA

Good Point, I hadn't thought of that when I was thinking of her references to both of them.

CHICANA
03-11-2009, 09:11 PM
His concern is not Crystal. It is Haleigh.

And proposing in Chili's and going to the court house to get a marriage license and driving hours to get a tattoo. He can do all that, but can't take 5 minutes to shut up and show some respect for the mother of his children and her pain.
Then again there's no reason to expect him to show any woman respect.

kolokolo
03-11-2009, 09:14 PM
I have watched the presser a few more times since yesterday, LE didnt announce any change in status. That gave me alot of HOPE that lil Haleigh is still alive.
The fact that all LE was there and represented leads me to believe they have something, as small as it maybe ... I think they may have something! JMHO

aprilshowers
03-11-2009, 09:21 PM
His concern is not Crystal. It is Haleigh.

Yes, but being the mother of his children, he should have given her more respect.

kamky
03-11-2009, 09:25 PM
Also, I believe that Crystal made the multiple references to "Mommy AND Daddy" because she is the one that has more damage to UNDUE on that front. I am not blaming Crystal for anything she has done in the past to get her daughter back. I do think that it has had a negative effect on the public's perception of this case and I believe that LE, having not ruled out anyone, did not want her to continue down a path that appeared to many, as isolating out only one person.

I think it is "last call" and Crystal is feeling regret over her past divisiveness toward Ron. It could be possible she feels guilt for perpetuating that distration and wants to make it right. Crystal was telling the public today, that BOTH parents are missing Haleigh and are on the same page. Ron did not need to make that correction as he has not spoken out toward Crystal. He only needed to reiterate the same plea for his daughter.

If Crystal is viewing Ron as a victim in the same category as she would place herself, then shouldn't we?IMHOA
Very good post. I don't know any of these folks so I can't get hung up as to whether I would personally like one more than the other. I think we need to dismiss rumors and accusations and focus on their actions. The most significant action RC has taken is to consistently ask for Haleigh's return and to tell her he loves her & isn't giving up. The most significant action CS has taken is to make accusations against RC and make their other child a spectacle on TV. I find that utterly reprehensible, altho I suspect that was engineered by CS's parents more than CS. I agree that she probably regrets this now, whether due to a push from LE or her own conscience, and was trying to rectify it. IMO, all this division has been becoming a distraction from Haleigh, whereas a united front can only help finding this child.

kamky
03-11-2009, 09:54 PM
IMO, continuing to live or following through with plans so soon without your daughter is still suspicious. The typical reaction for people who have missing children is to stay in the same home the child went missing from for as long as possible, not change a thing in the childs room, leave the porch light on 24/7 for decades and not make any big decisions, because frankly, their mind and heart doesn't allow them to move on for a very long time.

Whatever the reasons behind Ron and Misty's actions, they are not typical. People know this, and is why people are critical of them.
You're right about the typical reaction, and I think this is true for any devastating life event. It's usually best to avoid any big changes for a while. I could be totally wrong on this, but I suspect that they feel that they will gain strength and comfort by making their relationship legal. Many young people going through a hard time think that if they get married, things will be better or easier. As we get older, we know differently.

kamky
03-11-2009, 10:06 PM
Well, what I do know is ... Ron was talking to the LE for the entire time Crystal was up there. He never once looked at her, or seem to pay any attention to her. Watch for yourself.
Actually, it looked to me like RC initially smiled at Chrystal when she was called to speak. It's at about 1:33 into the video where both of them spoke. He walked to the back and exactly when her name was called, he looked directly at her and smiled as she got up to speak. I saw it as him encouraging her. Once she stared to speak, then RC had an arm around a member of LE who was whispering to him and it appeared that he smiled in response to whatever the guy was saying. I assumed it was also something encouraging. We're all reading things into their expressions but, clearly, RC was not regarding this as a fun or frivolous occasion.

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 10:11 PM
where did my posy go? Did i say something wrong?

LaLaw2000
03-11-2009, 10:12 PM
I respectfully disagree. I thought Ronald's behavior at the presser yesterday was terrible and disrespectful. My opinion.

kamky
03-11-2009, 10:13 PM
I'm Ba-ack!

The woman that Ron hugged right after speaking at yesterday's presser was Kim Daley [sp?] who is the Vicitims Advocate for Putnam County.

Sorry for my absence - the murder of the 8 yr old last night happened just down the street from my house, and the kid had been at my house earlier in the afternoon. I heard all of the sirens, but thought it must have been more wildfires south of town. It's FCAT week [FL No Child Left Behind test] and I was trying to figure out how/what to tell my kids about "Little Man" getting killed. [Turns out the killer had just been taken in for psychiatric evaluation Monday. They dx'ed him with schizophrenia and then sent him home. grrr.]
My poor laptop was so eat up w/malware that I couldn't get on it anyway.

I'm sure I much to catch up on. In the meantime -

I wonder if yesterday's presser wasn't just spin control following the engagement announcement on Monday.
What a terrible tragedy! I'm so sorry that this touched upon you and your family. It's so hard to know how to explain this to children when we can hardly understand these things ourselves.

Tom'sGirl
03-11-2009, 10:26 PM
where did my posy go? Did i say something wrong?
Nancy Grace has it's own thread

crazyover88
03-11-2009, 10:30 PM
You all sure are tough in here....Soooorrrryyyyyy.... :D

kamky
03-11-2009, 10:43 PM
I think that RC and CS spoke as if they know what happened. And that very well could be because LE clued them in on evidence discovered. Or it could be because of some personal knowledge.
Yes, I agree and think that LE has definitely told them something. This could be way off base, but it almost seemed to me like CS was sending a message. Like, "Okay, this has gone on way too long. Whoever you are, Ron and I are on the same page and we're not kidding. Return our child."
I hope and pray that this is the case and that "whoever" drops her off in a safe place, alive and well.

Tom'sGirl
03-11-2009, 11:37 PM
You all sure are tough in here....Soooorrrryyyyyy.... :D
:) you'll get used to it, we all did in the beginning. It's too easy for posting to go in another direction that's being discussed elsewhere.

Onthetrail
03-12-2009, 12:31 AM
It had the same effect on me. Many times we've seen him exhibit not caring about other's feelings. His mother working in LE might help explain why his rap sheet is a mile long, yet he runs free. I hope Haleigh is found safe and all Ron's background is brought to the surface. Then justice can be served



I wrote of the same thing on another thread...I was furious at RC's behavior. I have come to realize that his monotone speaking may be normal for him, but his coming on acting like a 90 yr old being helped by his mom ( I also saw this on a clip when they were entering the courthouse or SO office, he was helping mom, I think), It all seems to be a big show, not in doing the right thing but "show and say" the appropriate things...RC was totally trying upstage CS He was so transparent.

Ron was totally rude during this interview, he made it seem as if it was a funeral, the camera focused on MC when they pleaded for the person to do the right thing...OHHHH there is so much on this presser that is wrong I don't know where to begin...I have watched it over and over and get madder and madder..

There is a reason for this presser and I feel we will find out real soon the outcome. It would be a miracle if Haleigh were still alive, miracles do still happen.

harleysnana
03-12-2009, 12:50 AM
I respectfully disagree. I thought Ronald's behavior at the presser yesterday was terrible and disrespectful. My opinion.

But we didn't see what Crystal did.... maybe she was talking to someone
while Ron was up there....
Would it then be considered disrespecful of her?

Truth is we have no clue what he was saying and we don't know if Crystal
or anyone in her family was talking while Ron was up there!

Maybe he was saying.... "I love how Crystal is saying both "mommy
and daddy misses her"
Just sayin...

EgyptNug
03-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Question: In these situations, does some sort of profiler come help coach the parents on what to say or not to say? I know sometimes they say for rape or kidnap victims to keep saying things to remind the perpetrator that they have feelings and are a "real" person, so to speak.

Not to judge what anyone else does, but besides screaming and crying, I'd be on-air begging (literally) for the return of my child. I'd be saying "Drop him off in any suburb, and drive away, I don't care who you are, drop him off anywhere and tell him to count to 20 and go knock on a door" or whatever, give them (the criminal) a way out that gets me my child back. I'd offer to sell everything I own for my child back, whatever. (maybe that would be bad and prompt false calls for people demanding money even though they didn't have my child?)...

I'd be (I think, but as everyone knows, you don't know until you are in that position), but I think I'd be begging the kidnapper, and only spending a little bit of time reassuring my child to stay strong and I love him and saying things to make him a real person (in the mind of the criminal), too. But obviously if the child could get away, they would, and I also wonder if most kidnappers let the kids watch the news reports (?), so I"d probably direct most of it to the kidnapper.(?)

What Ron says doesn't seem like it would be effective to a kidnapper, so that's why I'm wondering: shouldn't a psychologist or profiler be helping them with a message that may motivate whoever took Haleigh?

Shaymus at The Rock
03-12-2009, 11:53 AM
One little thing that struck me about the presser was the involvement of both RC's and CS' mothers. Both RC and CS are adults and are engaged to be married. But when they went up to speak, it was their mothers who aided them. Almost seems like a competition between these two grandmothers.

I'm the mother of two adult children and I would be there for them, but I would step back and encourage them to lean on their SOs. I would do so because I respected them all as adults and would want to foster their developing little families. It seems to me that MC is not the only principal that has grown up yet. Does anyone else feel that way ? :confused:

Shaymus at The Rock
03-12-2009, 11:55 AM
Question: In these situations, does some sort of profiler come help coach the parents on what to say or not to say? I know sometimes they say for rape or kidnap victims to keep saying things to remind the perpetrator that they have feelings and are a "real" person, so to speak.

Not to judge what anyone else does, but besides screaming and crying, I'd be on-air begging (literally) for the return of my child. I'd be saying "Drop him off in any suburb, and drive away, I don't care who you are, drop him off anywhere and tell him to count to 20 and go knock on a door" or whatever, give them (the criminal) a way out that gets me my child back. I'd offer to sell everything I own for my child back, whatever. (maybe that would be bad and prompt false calls for people demanding money even though they didn't have my child?)...

I'd be (I think, but as everyone knows, you don't know until you are in that position), but I think I'd be begging the kidnapper, and only spending a little bit of time reassuring my child to stay strong and I love him and saying things to make him a real person (in the mind of the criminal), too. But obviously if the child could get away, they would, and I also wonder if most kidnappers let the kids watch the news reports (?), so I"d probably direct most of it to the kidnapper.(?)

What Ron says doesn't seem like it would be effective to a kidnapper, so that's why I'm wondering: shouldn't a psychologist or profiler be helping them with a message that may motivate whoever took Haleigh?

:clap::clap::clap:
Great question. I wonder if one is available and, if so, has been offered ?

Anais
03-12-2009, 12:35 PM
It had the same effect on me. Many times we've seen him exhibit not caring about other's feelings. His mother working in LE might help explain why his rap sheet is a mile long, yet he runs free. I hope Haleigh is found safe and all Ron's background is brought to the surface. Then justice can be served


Well he was charged at some points in time, however Ron has NEVER been Convicted of any of those crimes. Also Crsytal has had her own share of "difficulties". In as much as I often hear how Ron has shown little or no respect for others feelings it has been my observation that Crystal has gone even farther by thrusting her 4 year old son in fron of national television with geraldo Rivera and I hardly believe that RC thought this was acceptable or wise. Nor have I seen RC go on national t.v. and drag out every bit of Crystal or her family's dirty deeds, arrests and laundry. Like her very own mother "rap sheet". I would think that running a drug dwelling wouldn't be the very best place for a child to be.

debs
03-12-2009, 12:37 PM
One little thing that struck me about the presser was the involvement of both RC's and CS' mothers. Both RC and CS are adults and are engaged to be married. But when they went up to speak, it was their mothers who aided them. Almost seems like a competition between these two grandmothers.

I'm the mother of two adult children and I would be there for them, but I would step back and encourage them to lean on their SOs. I would do so because I respected them all as adults and would want to foster their developing little families. It seems to me that MC is not the only principal that has grown up yet. Does anyone else feel that way ? :confused:

and she definitely has her own "stage mother" doesn't she? Goodness gracious.

debs
03-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Question: In these situations, does some sort of profiler come help coach the parents on what to say or not to say? I know sometimes they say for rape or kidnap victims to keep saying things to remind the perpetrator that they have feelings and are a "real" person, so to speak.

Not to judge what anyone else does, but besides screaming and crying, I'd be on-air begging (literally) for the return of my child. I'd be saying "Drop him off in any suburb, and drive away, I don't care who you are, drop him off anywhere and tell him to count to 20 and go knock on a door" or whatever, give them (the criminal) a way out that gets me my child back. I'd offer to sell everything I own for my child back, whatever. (maybe that would be bad and prompt false calls for people demanding money even though they didn't have my child?)...

I'd be (I think, but as everyone knows, you don't know until you are in that position), but I think I'd be begging the kidnapper, and only spending a little bit of time reassuring my child to stay strong and I love him and saying things to make him a real person (in the mind of the criminal), too. But obviously if the child could get away, they would, and I also wonder if most kidnappers let the kids watch the news reports (?), so I"d probably direct most of it to the kidnapper.(?)

What Ron says doesn't seem like it would be effective to a kidnapper, so that's why I'm wondering: shouldn't a psychologist or profiler be helping them with a message that may motivate whoever took Haleigh?

I think I finally understand why that presser was so weird. Ron seemed to present himself in the "dog down" position. No fight, no flight, just a kind of "we'll be square if you just bring her back to us" position. Crystal is saying things that are so united "mommy and daddy love you and we want you back." If I were a profiler, (which I am far from) I would do this. It makes sense. There are enough people who believe that whoever took Haleigh is a family intimate. Someone who knew this family and was close. I will guess that it was someone related to or friend's of someone in Crystal's family. That is why she is saying that they're united. "You're not just hurting Ron here, you're hurting me. Bring her back." That is why Ron is non-aggressive (SOOOOOO different from what we have been shown of him). "I'm backin' off man, it's all cool. I ain't gonna git back atcha. What's done is done, we ain't got no bad blood between us no more." I now think neither Crystal or Ron was involved. I think both were poleaxed by this abduction.

If I were a profiler, which I'm not, this is exactly the message I would want to convey to the perp.

kikid
03-12-2009, 01:00 PM
idk, I'm thinking the message being sent was given by the FBI agent not RC & CS.

"Do what is right"
"Do the right thing"
"Listen to your heart"
"Even if its a family member, please speak out"

but at the same time the person they were speaking to wasn't the person who has Haleigh, but someone with information about what happened to Haleigh.

Then she held up that $$ amount - as if to say.. if doing what's right isn't enough incentive, look at what we can offer you.

As far as having Ron & Crystal plead... maybe they were videotaping responses of those sitting in the chairs watching them, were they looking for specific responses??

scratchthatitch
03-12-2009, 01:08 PM
I think I finally understand why that presser was so weird. Ron seemed to present himself in the "dog down" position. No fight, no flight, just a kind of "we'll be square if you just bring her back to us" position. Crystal is saying things that are so united "mommy and daddy love you and we want you back." If I were a profiler, (which I am far from) I would do this. It makes sense. There are enough people who believe that whoever took Haleigh is a family intimate. Someone who knew this family and was close. I will guess that it was someone related to or friend's of someone in Crystal's family. That is why she is saying that they're united. "You're not just hurting Ron here, you're hurting me. Bring her back." That is why Ron is non-aggressive (SOOOOOO different from what we have been shown of him). "I'm backin' off man, it's all cool. I ain't gonna git back atcha. What's done is done, we ain't got no bad blood between us no more." I now think neither Crystal or Ron was involved. I think both were poleaxed by this abduction.

If I were a profiler, which I'm not, this is exactly the message I would want to convey to the perp.


I agree with the intention of Ron and Crystal's statements. I am also at the point that I believe neither parent was involved. With $35,000 and a whole town up in your business, I'm not even sure this is anyone known to the family.
One month out... I disagree that LE has anything-no Haleigh, no clothing, no body, no suspect.... I am beginning to think a stranger abduction is the reason there is no link to be found. Randomness is the hardest thing to explain..

It does happen.