View Full Version : P.I. "Cobra" searches for Haleigh, feels confident there will be a break in case soon
nomoresorrow
03-20-2009, 08:06 PM
wow... just wow. If this interview is real..... oh man.
Stick a pistol in her mouth? Holy s#$%. Hey ladies and gents... It might just happen, and we might have a whole other story after all is said and done.
We could have a missing child plus a homicide. (Which I've been contemplating for a while.)
ITA! Funny, I presented the theory when it initially came out about RC & MC marrying > a few posters even called me crazy :( jk, I can handle it! I was concerned then about Misty's safety and more so now after hearing this. I'd hate to see something happen to Misty and thereby take Haleigh's whereabouts to the grave with her. That's my "real" concern here. I'm curious if LE has heard this remark and what is their obligation here at this point, in this investigation, to assure that the this threat doesn't become the reality...anyone know?
MOO
cuppy199
03-20-2009, 08:19 PM
ITA! Funny, I presented the theory when it initially came out about RC & MC marrying > a few posters even called me crazy :( jk, I can handle it! I was concerned then about Misty's safety and more so now after hearing this. I'd hate to see something happen to Misty and thereby take Haleigh's whereabouts to the grave with her. That's my "real" concern here. I'm curious if LE has heard this remark and what is their obligation here at this point, in this investigation, to assure that the this threat doesn't become the reality...anyone know?
MOO
Not that I think Ronald should do that but it seems to me he's thinking what alot of fathers would think about. If Misty has the answers and she isnt giving them about his missing baby girl that would throw me over the edge to.Makes sinse when Ronald said keep your friend close but your enemies closer. I see exactly what he is doing. He is just as sick and upset by Misty answers as anyone. Maybe Misty being married to him she will get comfortible and slip up. I just wish she would crack already:(
txsvicki
03-20-2009, 08:52 PM
I hope Cobra is listening to what JR has to say about that night. Maybe the man in black/possible "black man" is the one who took Haleigh and the same one who Misti was seeing. The bouncing couch and squeaky shoes is a part of the whole story. Junior needs to be kept safe ASAP.
Indigo
03-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Not that I think Ronald should do that but it seems to me he's thinking what alot of fathers would think about. If Misty has the answers and she isnt giving them about his missing baby girl that would throw me over the edge to.Makes sinse when Ronald said keep your friend close but your enemies closer. I see exactly what he is doing. He is just as sick and upset by Misty answers as anyone. Maybe Misty being married to him she will get comfortible and slip up. I just wish she would crack already:(
I don't see how Ronald could think it's a good idea to have his son in the middle of a personal sting operation. :confused:
titanfan62702
03-20-2009, 10:36 PM
This is sounding more and more like what I've thought all along -- Misty did not leave the house, but had additional company that she's "forgotten" to mention.
MD MOMMY
03-20-2009, 10:52 PM
This was my first theory. Misty was *entertaining* a male visitor and Haleigh woke up and saw them. moo
This would explain the bouncing couch. It would also explain why Misty can't keep her stories straight. It would also explain Ron's strange comment *I'll take out the trash when it's time.* moo
I must have missed something...what bouncing couch?
titanfan62702
03-20-2009, 10:54 PM
I must have missed something...what bouncing couch?
JR told his mommy that the couch was bouncing.
Ms Suzanne
03-20-2009, 10:59 PM
This is sounding more and more like what I've thought all along -- Misty did not leave the house, but had additional company that she's "forgotten" to mention.
Yes maybe,and she may have been seen earlier at the party or where ever they saw her at.
ITA! Funny, I presented the theory when it initially came out about RC & MC marrying > a few posters even called me crazy :( jk, I can handle it! I was concerned then about Misty's safety and more so now after hearing this. I'd hate to see something happen to Misty and thereby take Haleigh's whereabouts to the grave with her. That's my "real" concern here. I'm curious if LE has heard this remark and what is their obligation here at this point, in this investigation, to assure that the this threat doesn't become the reality...anyone know?
MOO
I don't think anyone knows.. not the general public, anyway.
I don't want anyone to take my original comment as funny... I'm scared that RC is gonna snap and do something stupid.
This is after listening to the interview with Cobra.
Cool heads prevail folks.
Tom'sGirl
03-20-2009, 11:26 PM
I'd like to remind posters that the telephone conversation/interview with Cobra at this point is considered "hearsay" and yet to be verified by the local LE or other.
* * * Bumping as a reminder * * *
cajun
03-20-2009, 11:50 PM
I hope Cobra is listening to what JR has to say about that night. Maybe the man in black/possible "black man" is the one who took Haleigh and the same one who Misti was seeing. The bouncing couch and squeaky shoes is a part of the whole story. Junior needs to be kept safe ASAP.
OK, I like so totally missed the story of the bouncing couch. :confused:
nnglas
03-21-2009, 12:17 AM
I listened to that interview and it was interesting to say the least. I have always thought that Misty wasn't home. But if she wasn't home, then that mean that someone had to know that she wasn't home. But I not sure if that is really going to help the investigation.
PinkyPoo
03-21-2009, 12:21 AM
I hope Cobra is listening to what JR has to say about that night. Maybe the man in black/possible "black man" is the one who took Haleigh and the same one who Misti was seeing. The bouncing couch and squeaky shoes is a part of the whole story. Junior needs to be kept safe ASAP.
We did not hear these things from Jr.....only from Crystal.
Just saying....
SeriouslySearching
03-21-2009, 01:06 AM
Originally Posted by Tom'sGirl
I'd like to remind posters that the telephone conversation/interview with Cobra at this point is considered "hearsay" and yet to be verified by the local LE or other.
I haven't had the opportunity to listen to it yet...and wonder if I even want to go there. Thanks for the reminder. ;)
Tichad3
03-21-2009, 08:40 AM
I haven't been able to listen to it either. I've just been going on what others are saying. I kind of want to say anything about it until it's been verified.
tehcloser
03-21-2009, 09:10 AM
It may not have been verified.....but if you listen to it, you will at least have a better understanding of what's being talked about.
titanfan62702
03-21-2009, 09:13 AM
Does anyone who has listened to it have an opinion whether it is Ron talking?
Tichad3
03-21-2009, 09:16 AM
Good morning teh :)
Every time I try listening to it my computer shuts down...I think it's a conspiracy.
tehcloser
03-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Good morning teh :)
Every time I try listening to it my computer shuts down...I think it's a conspiracy.
oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! That makes ya want to kick the puter eh? I hate it when mine does that!
tehcloser
03-21-2009, 09:23 AM
Does anyone who has listened to it have an opinion whether it is Ron talking?
Hey titan,
Ron is not on the tape....just Cobra.
drumstick
03-21-2009, 09:30 AM
It seems to be real. I also read the article and hear the video from Sky 97.3. I also seen some other videos of Cobra and it sounds like him. I don't see why someone would make this up and risk there creditability. JMO
LINK BELOW warning bad language: http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCOB1cobra.mp3
Thank you for this link. I did listen to it and thought it was like listening to someone who was reading a script.
It's a one-sided dialogue with incredible, unnecessary detail. eg. "drinking sweet tea from the same cup" unless that was a metaphor that went over my head.
And the part where he said that RC told him things in confidence that he couldn't share. But he had no problem sharing the "gun in the mouth" rendition of RC's comments.
I feel this was contrived. Maybe for our benefit to let us know that all is not what it appears to be.
I honestly don't know what to think of this audio. It's as surprising as some of the other information alleged in this case.
~
lakelandladi
03-21-2009, 09:36 AM
The thing I find most interesting is Cobra goes on and on about the state of mind Ron was in...going to stick a gun in Misty's mouth etc and then when he "reaches out" to his contacts with the Sheriff and FDLE, Merchant, he has to go through dispatch and they send a car.
Now if Merchant and the rest of LE believes Misty is the key I would think that they would have been a lot more concerned that Ron was going to kill Misty, the key.
Remember in Orlando the reaction of LE when they thought George was going to kill himself. I would think that Merchant would have been to Ron's ASAP to not only calm Ron down but to put Misty in protective custody. JMO
Lexington
03-21-2009, 09:58 AM
Very interesting interview. Do I believe that it is factual? No.
Donjeta
03-21-2009, 10:11 AM
I thought we had some news today,but now I'm wondering if it wasn't just something to get our attention,another new rumor's starting so guess this was all about custody.All we have is Cobra's word from that video,LE hasn't acted on it yet,he said this was at vigil,they've not had those for awhile.So,we'll see what Cobra's motives are,for Haleigh or for himself.
Good point about the vigils, I thought they'd stopped. Are they still doing them occasionally? On Dunn's Creek church site there's a video of a Tuesday vigil http://www.dunnscreekmedia.com/ but it doesn't say which Tuesday as far as I can tell.
titanfan62702
03-21-2009, 11:55 AM
Hey titan,
Ron is not on the tape....just Cobra.
Thanks. I've not listened to the tape yet. My little 5 year old grandson is here with me and he has a big enough imagination as it is.
titanfan, it has some very blue language peppered in it, be advised when you go to listen!
I gave this tape some thought last night and have come to the conclusion that when I go back to relisten, that I must keep in mind who has employed this PI, but also that LE still hasn't come out and said one way or another on it's contents.
O/T but the spokesperson for the Putnam Co. Sherriffs Office is going back into retirement. Angelwhocares posted that article this morning it's on the main media thread not on the one for just today. Looks like we will be getting even less info now from LE.
titanfan, it has some very blue language peppered in it, be advised when you go to listen!
I gave this tape some thought last night and have come to the conclusion that when I go back to relisten, that I must keep in mind who has employed this PI, but also that LE still hasn't come out and said one way or another on it's contents.
O/T but the spokesperson for the Putnam Co. Sherriffs Office is going back into retirement. Angelwhocares posted that article this morning it's on the main media thread not on the one for just today. Looks like we will be getting even less info now from LE.
He's not employed. He was brought in to find Haleigh by one of her parents. I thought that was the goal. To find her.
He's not employed. He was brought in to find Haleigh by one of her parents. I thought that was the goal. To find her.
Thanks debs you're right it's not known if he's getting paid by anyone. I don't think one of Haleigh's parents brought him in though, I am under the impression that it was her lawyer. The reason I say that is it can be inferred after searching his name, that CS's Lawyer's Husband was once either a roommate or has been notated as having a previous alliance of some sort with the PI.
My point was this, I am listening to whatever he relates with much interest, but also with a grain of salt until his assertions can be validated.
cuppy199
03-21-2009, 12:11 PM
He's not employed. He was brought in to find Haleigh by one of her parents. I thought that was the goal. To find her.
He was brought in by the lawyer. Whether his goal is to find Haleigh remains to be seen and time will tell.
SeriouslySearching
03-21-2009, 12:15 PM
He's not employed. He was brought in to find Haleigh by one of her parents. I thought that was the goal. To find her.He may be working Pro Bono...but he is working FOR KP and was brought in by KP who is working on building a case for child custody.
I don't see any way to dispute this fact when it is a direct quote from KP.
SeriouslySearching
03-21-2009, 12:23 PM
I posted this on another thread, but this is what I think should be taking place right now for people in or around Satsuma:
Where is Haleigh now? What can we be doing constructively to find her? Evidently, what LE is doing has them no closer to finding her. I want to find Haleigh.
Are people putting out fliers? There should be people handing out fliers to passing motorists on the weekend from the street corners in every surrounding community. There should be fliers tacked up in every business.
There should be searches taking place even if they are privately done. If you have property in or near Satsuma, please take the time to go search your own property as it impossible for others without permission. Look in every outbuilding, look for signs of disturbance by outside sources, and report them. On many cases, I have suggested the media/public have a day set aside for everyone to search their properties to further the cases along.
Hmm. I thought KP was Crystal's lawyer, and therefore what she does for her client is done with her client's okay. But yes, technically, KP brought the PI on board. I hold this to be trivial, since the PI is looking for Haleigh at the behest of one of her parent's, either through the lawyer or no.
Becky319
03-21-2009, 01:54 PM
Can't someone call the radio station and see if this is a real interview? I think NG or JVM or GVS could easily find out yet we still don't have proof it is real so you almost have to think it isn't.
PolyGraph
03-21-2009, 02:06 PM
I hope Cobra is listening to what JR has to say about that night. Maybe the man in black/possible "black man" is the one who took Haleigh and the same one who Misti was seeing. The bouncing couch and squeaky shoes is a part of the whole story. Junior needs to be kept safe ASAP.
Hi guys, Im carring this over because I feel this poster is sooooo RIGHT! I didnt even think of this...if Junior is onto something he IS IN GRAVE DANGER of being taken too to be kept quiet or kept from identifying perpetrator...I just cannot believe I didnt think of this before...he had to have seen or heard something, I know when my kiddies are sleeping when one wakes up which is rare, they will stir the other one a bit! How scary this case is getting!:eek:
PolyGraph
03-21-2009, 02:09 PM
I posted this on another thread, but this is what I think should be taking place right now for people in or around Satsuma:
Where is Haleigh now? What can we be doing constructively to find her? Evidently, what LE is doing has them no closer to finding her. I want to find Haleigh.
Are people putting out fliers? There should be people handing out fliers to passing motorists on the weekend from the street corners in every surrounding community. There should be fliers tacked up in every business.
There should be searches taking place even if they are privately done. If you have property in or near Satsuma, please take the time to go search your own property as it impossible for others without permission. Look in every outbuilding, look for signs of disturbance by outside sources, and report them. On many cases, I have suggested the media/public have a day set aside for everyone to search their properties to further the cases along.
hey seriously,
You are so right, people need to be extremely observant of their enviornment right now and should report any changes to le...I wonder if they have been told this or are doing this at all? Im just so surprised we have heard of no evidence or witnesses (maybe everyone is afraid) I dont know..Im hoping we hear something soon I feel so bad for the families on BOTH sides..MOO
CajunGirl
03-21-2009, 03:16 PM
why can't i see this video? or audio or whatever? i go to that link and its just a story about lawyers
Donjeta
03-21-2009, 03:23 PM
did you try this Cajungirl?
http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCOB1cobra.mp3
CajunGirl
03-21-2009, 03:25 PM
did you try this Cajungirl?
http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCOB1cobra.mp3
thank you so much!
nnglas
03-21-2009, 03:46 PM
Hmm. I thought KP was Crystal's lawyer, and therefore what she does for her client is done with her client's okay. But yes, technically, KP brought the PI on board. I hold this to be trivial, since the PI is looking for Haleigh at the behest of one of her parent's, either through the lawyer or no.
Yes, I totally agree. If this interview is true then he seems to be focused on finding Haleigh. It seems that he is working closely with RC in order to try to find her. He talks about RC throughout the whole interview, and it seems they spent a significant amount of time together. Perhaps he relates more to him because he is a father too.
On another note. I think its a great idea to get MC to do a reenactment of the events to try to jog her memory. And I think that he is on to something when he says he thinks she wasn't there. At any rate, I just wanted to state that if she did leave the house that night, I feel maybe this young girl may need some support, if she wasn't there then yes that is a mistake, but she needs to come forth and say that so that LE can rule her out and move on to find Haleigh. At this point I don't think MC hurt Haleigh, I just wish someone would make her feel ok about whatever it is she is hiding so they can get on with the investigation. I fear that they have been wasting time with her inconsistencies. At this point she is just being a roadblock. She making herself look guilty. Maybe she had a visitor she is scared of. Idk. I just wish they could get on with the investigation. I feel that she is misdirecting the focus. Needlessly.
nunzio
03-21-2009, 04:06 PM
To those that asked, here in Satsuma Haleigh is not forgotten. I for one am always looking going down roads I never go down, but the task is almost impossible due to miles and miles of vacant land and brush. If Cobra is in fact who he claims to be I'd say he has to be upset with RC not getting back in touch with him on Thursday. One has to question whether RC and MC are playing Cobra. Personally I hope they are, because Cobra will nail both of them. Little Misty knows way more than she is willing to tell and Ronald is so out of character not pressing Misty that this whole senerio is starting to stink even more than it already has.
nunzio
03-21-2009, 04:15 PM
I have seen Cobra's truck parked where he was searching in the woods. I've seen him at Meemaw's around the time he said he was there. It's time to get Ron Jr. out of harm's way before he gets caught up in the s*** hitting the fan.
kidz110
03-21-2009, 04:25 PM
I have seen Cobra's truck parked where he was searching in the woods. I've seen him at Meemaw's around the time he said he was there. It's time to get Ron Jr. out of harm's way before he gets caught up in the s*** hitting the fan.
Thanks for the insight, nunzio. We've missed you on these threads. It's always nice to get input from the locals.
radio
03-21-2009, 04:30 PM
I have seen Cobra's truck parked where he was searching in the woods. I've seen him at Meemaw's around the time he said he was there. It's time to get Ron Jr. out of harm's way before he gets caught up in the s*** hitting the fan.
Agree! Junior needs to be in a safe place with safe people. The Cummings life style is anything but safe.
SeriouslySearching
03-21-2009, 04:57 PM
Agree! Junior needs to be in a safe place with safe people. The Cummings life style is anything but safe.OFF TOPIC: Can you point to anything unsafe at TN's home?
Where do you suggest IS a safe place for Rj?
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 05:06 PM
Can you point to anything unsafe at TN's home?
Are any homes safe anymore? With perps coming in and stealing our children while we sleep, it leads me to think there aren't any safe places any longer. That is so sad for us all.
I can somewhat see where the poster is coming from. IF Junior's statements are true RE: squeeky shoes, black man in black, and bouncing couch...he could very well ID someone and that in itself could provoke the perp to want to silence this child.
I don't know if moving him from the Cummings to the Sheffields is the answer, maybe protective custody? Not away from his family but a safe-house of some sort where there is a guard to watch over him. On the other hand, I would dearly hope that if the police believe what JR is saying...then they would have taken it upon themselves to protect a potential witness to an abduction/crime...right?
Didn't mean to answer somebodies else's question....hope you don't mind the butt-in :)
Praying for Haleigh.
radio
03-21-2009, 05:14 PM
OFF TOPIC: Can you point to anything unsafe at TN's home?
Where do you suggest IS a safe place for Rj?
That whole lifestyle is violent by nature, moo!! I don't think GGM Sykes should have something like this put on her either. She looks robust and all, I'm not saying she can't take care of the child - she can, but she is older if someone caused trouble - which could be nothing more than a media ruckus. kwim!
I just feel sorry for a GreatGrandmother having a 4 yr old in this circus. moo
Salem
03-21-2009, 05:14 PM
In my opinion, this Cobra dude lacks integrity! Regardless who hired him, etc. the fact that he would induce RC's confidences and then publically air them is not right. Now that he has put out this "interview" Misty can say to RC - I told you so, he is out to get Jr taken and that's all!
This stupid interview has done more harm than good in my opinion and for such a crackshot PI to be so careless about his work is amazing.
This cast of characters is beginning to resemble those in the Anthony case and it is disgusting! Seriously - is every young girl that goes missing in Florida going to be 20-25 people's chance to become famous and on national TV? WTH????
Salem
OFF TOPIC: Can you point to anything unsafe at TN's home?
Where do you suggest IS a safe place for Rj?
It's not "unsafe" I guess, but in 1999, Teresa was charged by K. Sykes for making harassing phone calls. Guess it just goes to character at that point, and sure does fit in with the nasty comments she feels she has to make about Crystal any time there is a camera or microphone within 10 feet of her.
radio
03-21-2009, 05:17 PM
OFF TOPIC: Can you point to anything unsafe at TN's home?
Where do you suggest IS a safe place for Rj?
OH!! Junior!! Can't forget about Junior here, LOL!! Actually thats a very good question at this point. I don't think being around this Chad is the answer I'm looking for. Unfortunately the State of Florida may have to decide this.
Salem
03-21-2009, 05:18 PM
Are any homes safe anymore? With perps coming in and stealing our children while we sleep, it leads me to think there aren't any safe places any longer. That is so sad for us all.
I can somewhat see where the poster is coming from. IF Junior's statements are true RE: squeeky shoes, black man in black, and bouncing couch...he could very well ID someone and that in itself could provoke the perp to want to silence this child.
I don't know if moving him from the Cummings to the Sheffields is the answer, maybe protective custody? Not away from his family but a safe-house of some sort where there is a guard to watch over him. On the other hand, I would dearly hope that if the police believe what JR is saying...then they would have taken it upon themselves to protect a potential witness to an abduction/crime...right?
Didn't mean to answer somebodies else's question....hope you don't mind the butt-in :)
Praying for Haleigh.
Maybe this is why Haleigh is missing in the first place? Because she witnessed something she shouldn't have? Maybe it isn't an SO?
I agree, everyone needs to be making sure Jr. is safe and out of harm's way. I'll never watch Geraldo again - ever!
Salem
SeriouslySearching
03-21-2009, 05:24 PM
Are any homes safe anymore? With perps coming in and stealing our children while we sleep, it leads me to think there aren't any safe places any longer. That is so sad for us all.
I can somewhat see where the poster is coming from. IF Junior's statements are true RE: squeeky shoes, black man in black, and bouncing couch...he could very well ID someone and that in itself could provoke the perp to want to silence this child.
I don't know if moving him from the Cummings to the Sheffields is the answer, maybe protective custody? Not away from his family but a safe-house of some sort where there is a guard to watch over him. On the other hand, I would dearly hope that if the police believe what JR is saying...then they would have taken it upon themselves to protect a potential witness to an abduction/crime...right?
Didn't mean to answer somebodies else's question....hope you don't mind the butt-in :)
Praying for Haleigh.His paternal grandmother, T. Neves could probably request for security from the officers she works with as a dispatcher. They are not from Putnam County where this occurred and would probably be glad to help keep Rj safe.
You aren't butting in at all!! Keep posting!! :)
kidz110
03-21-2009, 05:28 PM
Maybe this is why Haleigh is missing in the first place? Because she witnessed something she shouldn't have? Maybe it isn't an SO? Salem
Good points. And let us remember, LE doesn't have her listed as abducted. I'm thinking if they felt it was a stranger--a SO, they would list her as abducted. They have her listed as endangered. That says something to me.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsearch/FlyerNewPerson.asp?Case_Id=28474&case_nbr
radio
03-21-2009, 05:34 PM
His paternal grandmother, T. Neves could probably request for security from the officers she works with as a dispatcher. They are not from Putnam County where this occurred and would probably be glad to help keep Rj safe.
You aren't butting in at all!! Keep posting!! :)
bold mine
And I think she should!! I even think they should "offer"!!! Surely they would do the favor! But if they wanted pay - fine, it would be worth it. imo
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 05:34 PM
Good points. And let us remember, LE doesn't have her listed as abducted. I'm thinking if they felt it was a stranger--a SO, they would list her as abducted. They have her listed as endangered. That says something to me.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsearch/FlyerNewPerson.asp?Case_Id=28474&case_nbr
I've wondered about that since the change on the amber alert...I couldn't figure it out what made them change it and why or what it meant....what do you think it means?? moo.
kidz110
03-21-2009, 05:41 PM
I've wondered about that since the change on the amber alert...I couldn't figure it out what made them change it and why or what it meant....what do you think it means?? moo.
I could be way off, but I think they believe it to be someone in the family. I think they believe Haleigh was removed by someone in that home--not someone who snuck into the house. JMO
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 05:41 PM
Maybe this is why Haleigh is missing in the first place? Because she witnessed something she shouldn't have? Maybe it isn't an SO?
I agree, everyone needs to be making sure Jr. is safe and out of harm's way. I'll never watch Geraldo again - ever!
Salem
That's a possibility also Salem...one of the many I have running rampant in my head! What could she have witnessed tho'? Misty doing the deed with wbg? If it were a drug deal or someone doing drugs...I don't think that would register in a five year old's brain...ya know? What could she have witnessed that would be bad that it result in her someone wanting to kidnap/harm her? moo.
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 05:46 PM
I could be way off, but I think they believe it to be someone in the family. I think they believe Haleigh was removed by someone in that home--not someone who snuck into the house. JMO
OMG, do you know how BIG the goosebumps were that came up when I read what you wrote! See, I would've thought that it meant they thought it was someone on the other side of the family, Crystal's side. Whoa. So when you say "someone in that home"...is that limited to Ron and Misty? or are visitors of the home included?
Also, is the change from being missing/abducted better or worse than missing/endangered? Sorry for all the questions...I finally have the house to myself and have time to actually do more than read the posts! :woohoo:
Ty kidz, that has piqued my interest and I'm currently looking for the criteria that FL uses to identify what category a missing person falls under.
While I was searching I found this, while it doesn't answer my question it gives a general overview as to the procedures that the FL Highway Patrol and other agencies use at the beginning of a missing persons case.
It was interesting to me. It might be interesting to others as we try to follow this case.
http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/html/Manuals/fh22-08.pdf
radio
03-21-2009, 05:49 PM
I've wondered about that since the change on the amber alert...I couldn't figure it out what made them change it and why or what it meant....what do you think it means?? moo.
The fact that LE is listing Haleigh as endangered instead of abducted is almost scandalous for the family when you think about it. Talk about a slap!! Ronald says she was abducted (someone stole my child) yet LE won't buy it seemingly. What a tragic mess!
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 05:51 PM
His paternal grandmother, T. Neves could probably request for security from the officers she works with as a dispatcher. They are not from Putnam County where this occurred and would probably be glad to help keep Rj safe.
You aren't butting in at all!! Keep posting!! :)
I hope she can, has, or will do that...
....... Thanks SS :)
moo
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 05:56 PM
The fact that LE is listing Haleigh as endangered instead of abducted is almost scandalous for the family when you think about it. Talk about a slap!! Ronald says she was abducted (someone stole my child) yet LE won't buy it seemingly. What a tragic mess!
Wasn't it about the same time they had Misti go back in the trailer and the pink shirt was found? Do you think that's why?
This I'm sure is has been talked about in depth on another thread when this first happened...but that was when Haleigh didn't have anything but one daily thread....and not a whole space dedicated....I'd never find it.
Am I hijacking this thread? ............it's so hard to stay on topic when everything seems to be tied together!!
nnglas
03-21-2009, 05:59 PM
Good points. And let us remember, LE doesn't have her listed as abducted. I'm thinking if they felt it was a stranger--a SO, they would list her as abducted. They have her listed as endangered. That says something to me.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsearch/FlyerNewPerson.asp?Case_Id=28474&case_nbr
Wow, I'm so stupid. I didn't even catch that. Well, that is good news, wouldn't it be? Idk, missing/endangered to me means like a family abduction or something. Like runaways are usually classifed like that aren't they? Abducted, is like a stranger? Idk, maybe it isn't good news.
radio
03-21-2009, 06:02 PM
Wasn't it about the same time they had Misti go back in the trailer and the pink shirt was found? Do you think that's why?
This I'm sure is has been talked about in depth on another thread when this first happened...but that was when Haleigh didn't have anything but one daily thread....and not a whole space dedicated....I'd never find it.
Am I hijacking this thread? ............it's so hard to stay on topic when everything seems to be tied together!!
I got so lost trying to follow that thread, but I do recall that they then stopped reporting what she was wearing and called for the public to focus on her face. Sad isn't it?
No, I don't think you are hijacking the thread.LOL!! Yes, it is hard when things are so connected.
Ms Suzanne
03-21-2009, 06:08 PM
I would very much like to know what this means too.It might not have anything to do with the family.I found this.What does it say?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/173218/missing_vs_endangered_missing.html?cat=9
Tom'sGirl
03-21-2009, 06:11 PM
Good points. And let us remember, LE doesn't have her listed as abducted. I'm thinking if they felt it was a stranger--a SO, they would list her as abducted. They have her listed as endangered. That says something to me.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsearch/FlyerNewPerson.asp?Case_Id=28474&case_nbr
I'm guessing that because no one actually saw an 'Abduction' it was listed as "Endangered", dunno??
Brwnigirl
03-21-2009, 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salem
I want to know where the break in the case is and where is the arrest?????? What is this PI doing????
Salem
Yeah, when's this Cobra gonna strike?
Cobra: What is your definition of "soon" ???
panthera
03-21-2009, 06:14 PM
I could be way off, but I think they believe it to be someone in the family. I think they believe Haleigh was removed by someone in that home--not someone who snuck into the house. JMO
I see it the same way too. They seemed pretty quick to account for the known SOs in the area and haven't really focused on the missing one, CR, as being connected to Haleigh's disappearance. It may be though that there just isn't any evidence of an abduction.
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 06:19 PM
I would very much like to know what this means too.It might not have anything to do with the family.I found this.What does it say?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/173218/missing_vs_endangered_missing.html?cat=9
I don't like this part of what i found on the above link:
"Endangered Missing: Customer goes and gets gas at an all night convenience store. Enters the store. Blood on the floor, register open and empty, employee is no where to be found. This is Endangered Missing."
ETA: it also gives another example that still leaves me with hope that Haleigh is still alive:
moo
"Car door open, keys in the ignition, engine running, lights on, purse and driver are not present, and Police can not locate anywhere. This too is Endangered Missing.
LiveLaughLuv
03-21-2009, 06:30 PM
I've wondered about that since the change on the amber alert...I couldn't figure it out what made them change it and why or what it meant....what do you think it means?? moo.
JMO..Endangered missing is due to Haleigh's medical condition.
They don't know if Haleigh was truly abducted, they have no descriptions of any perp or car...
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 06:31 PM
Does anyone know when that changed?I hadn't looked there for a little while and just noticed that being posted today.
I think it was the day after Misti went back into the MH with the police...the night the pink shirt was found in the laundry basket....moo...
mck16
03-21-2009, 06:32 PM
I don't like this part of what i found on the above link:
"Endangered Missing: Customer goes and gets gas at an all night convenience store. Enters the store. Blood on the floor, register open and empty, employee is no where to be found. This is Endangered Missing."
ETA: it also gives another example that still leaves me with hope that Haleigh is still alive:
moo
"Car door open, keys in the ignition, engine running, lights on, purse and driver are not present, and Police can not locate anywhere. This too is Endangered Missing.
Sounds to me like it is because someone uninvited/stranger broke or came in to the home and now the child is missing. Making the home a crime scene. IMO :waitasec:
panthera
03-21-2009, 06:34 PM
JMO..Endangered missing is due to Haleigh's medical condition.
They don't know if Haleigh was truly abducted, they have no descriptions of any perp or car...
That makes the most sense of all! :)
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 06:40 PM
JMO..Endangered missing is due to Haleigh's medical condition.
They don't know if Haleigh was truly abducted, they have no descriptions of any perp or car...
I considered that, but I didn't think Haleigh was on medication? I know she has Turner's syndrome...but if I remember correctly, it's a mild case...please do correct me if I'm wrong...and I don't have a link, all of the above is just from reading the boards. :)
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 06:45 PM
Sounds to me like it is because someone uninvited/stranger broke or came in to the home and now the child is missing. Making the home a crime scene. IMO :waitasec:
But why wasn't it initially posted as endangered then? I guess it could have just been a mistake on the part of LE for listing it wrong the first time...? I sure wish I could remember when the change happened...was it within the first week or first few days.
I see what your saying, I do...I just don't understand how they couldn't have seen that the home was a crime scene the first night they went out there...I'm no where near the sleuther any of you guys are...maybe that's where my confusion is coming from :bang: lol
daisy.faithfull
03-21-2009, 06:47 PM
I would very much like to know what this means too.It might not have anything to do with the family.I found this.What does it say?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/173218/missing_vs_endangered_missing.html?cat=9
From the above website:
Missing: A family member, friend, etc, as turned up missing. Unknown reasons. This meets the Arkansas State and FBI stats of Missing Persons.
Endangered Missing: Customer goes and gets gas at an all night convenience store. Enters the store. Blood on the floor, register open and empty, employee is no where to be found. This is Endangered Missing.
To me, it seems that the difference there is the state of the environment the missing person was last in.
While Haleigh was never classified as "Missing", that she is now "Endangered" could mean that there is something very off with the story surrounding how she went missing, very disturbing about the evidence left at the trailer, etc.
I wish that LE would give us a REASON why they made that change it could help to identify her in the first place.
Unfortunately, it could mean that they mis-classified her from the start and has nothing to do with a change in LE's opinion of what happened to her.
It just adds to the frustration... :banghead:
Do Private Investigators usually let anyone (the people that haired them, LE, the public) know what they have found?
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 06:49 PM
Oh darn,I was hoping it had just change and LE had some new info of what happened.:(
I sure wish there was new info! I'm almost so fed up with the lack of information from LE that I'm about ready to protest! I wish they knew how their silence in this case has truly hindered it more imo. For the life of me, I cannot imagine how they can't clear any one of those friends/family members....really, I just don't get it.
If it turns out like another Lunsford case and somebody has been holding this child and torturing her, I swear I will be :furious: with LE
If they would just speak up and clear some people, hence clearing the air and rumors a little bit, everybody can be just a little more focused on what's important here...and that is finding that sweet baby girl.
mck16
03-21-2009, 06:52 PM
But why wasn't it initially posted as endangered then? I guess it could have just been a mistake on the part of LE for listing it wrong the first time...? I sure wish I could remember when the change happened...was it within the first week or first few days.
I see what your saying, I do...I just don't understand how they couldn't have seen that the home was a crime scene the first night they went out there...I'm no where near the sleuther any of you guys are...maybe that's where my confusion is coming from :bang: lol
Sorry Sunburst I should pay more attention. I didn't realize this status was something new that had changed. But, maybe after a certain period of time that she hasn't turned up they changed the status. I don't know.:confused:
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 06:58 PM
Sorry Sunburst I should pay more attention. I didn't realize this status was something new that had changed. But, maybe after a certain period of time that she hasn't turned up they changed the status. I don't know.:confused:
no, no mck16...it is NOT a new status change...
it was changed *i think* within the week after she was reported missing. I have just always wondered why the change, and what it meant...if anything. Dont' apologize...you were on the right track :)
MOO MOO says the cow
Ms Suzanne
03-21-2009, 07:00 PM
Here is another link.
http://www.acic.org/missing/index.htm
mck16
03-21-2009, 07:08 PM
no, no mck16...it is NOT a new status change...
it was changed *i think* within the week after she was reported missing. I have just always wondered why the change, and what it meant...if anything. Dont' apologize...you were on the right track :)
MOO MOO says the cow
You are right. I found the report :
"Haleigh's status as a missing person has also been changed - she's considered endangered, as well. She probably always was, but police in Putnam County have pointedly changed the flyer giving details about Haleigh to read "ENDANGERED.""
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/haleigh_cummings_holes_in_the.php
OT - There is also a picture of TN and Misty. I am not trying to be light here, but they look like they are in a parachute or something floating. JMO
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 07:10 PM
Here is another link.
http://www.acic.org/missing/index.htm
Thank you Suzaanec4444!
From the linky dink:
Endangered - Entry of a person of any age who is missing under circumstances indicating that his/her physical safety may be in danger.
Involuntary - Entry of a person of any age who is missing under circumstances indicating that the disappearance may not have been voluntary, i.e., abduction or kidnapping.
mck16
03-21-2009, 07:15 PM
This is a great link if you haven't seen it to actually see the dynamics between Ron and Crystal in the first few days. This is the vigil at the church on the 7th day.
It is long, but interesting to see how they are all interacting especially with Junior. Click on the video Haleigh's Vigil.
snipped:
'Good point about the vigils, I thought they'd stopped. Are they still doing them occasionally? On Dunn's Creek church site there's a video of a Tuesday vigil http://www.dunnscreekmedia.com/ but it doesn't say which Tuesday as far as I can tell.'
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 07:26 PM
You are right. I found the report :
"Haleigh's status as a missing person has also been changed - she's considered endangered, as well. She probably always was, but police in Putnam County have pointedly changed the flyer giving details about Haleigh to read "ENDANGERED.""
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/haleigh_cummings_holes_in_the.php
OT - There is also a picture of TN and Misty. I am not trying to be light here, but they look like they are in a parachute or something floating. JMO
LOL, It does look like it could be a hot air balloon...I think it's some sort of tented (small) memorial they are sitting in front of. I remember this interview and how bad Misti seemed to be "out of it". I'm gonna go watch it again.
I found some links that may be of interest in Amber Alerts, criteria for Missing persons, and criteria for Endangered Missing persons. I posted them downstairs on the rumor thread for now and will contact a Mod as to which thread is most appropriate to post upstairs.
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 07:41 PM
I found some links that may be of interest in Amber Alerts, criteria for Missing persons, and criteria for Endangered Missing persons. I posted them downstairs on the rumor thread for now and will contact a Mod as to which thread is most appropriate to post upstairs.
Thanks Kat! :)
Jenmrk
03-21-2009, 07:53 PM
When Haleigh first went missing wasn't there mention of something about her heart rate being abnormally fast if she were to get upset? I thought I had heard that this was due to her Turners Syndrome, it has always bothered me that maybe she saw something and got too upset and maybe her little heart couldn't take the stress. I also have wondered is maybe she woke up as Misty or who ever may have been there was arriving or leaving in that van, maybe she ran out the door and they accidentally hit her. There are so many what if's with this case. I am new here but just wanted to throw some idea's out, there is one more possibility that really bothers me, in one of Misty's interviews she corrects herself and says I would never do anything with/to her, that with comment could imply many many things. I guess with having teensgers you really look at every word they say and Misty reminds me of one of my kids when "something" around the house would come up missing, you could just tell they were not being honest. I have so many ideas of what may have been going on in that house and some I can't even bring myself to write, when you have drugs and children in the same house-if it is in fact true about Ron and Misty with the drugs- that opens up so many doors. I just pray for Haleigh that she is safe no matter where she is.
winterrose
03-21-2009, 07:59 PM
This is a great link if you haven't seen it to actually see the dynamics between Ron and Crystal in the first few days. This is the vigil at the church on the 7th day.
It is long, but interesting to see how they are all interacting especially with Junior. Click on the video Haleigh's Vigil.
snipped:
'Good point about the vigils, I thought they'd stopped. Are they still doing them occasionally? On Dunn's Creek church site there's a video of a Tuesday vigil http://www.dunnscreekmedia.com/ but it doesn't say which Tuesday as far as I can tell.'
Thank you so much for that link,it has made me even sadder for what has happened.This is how it should be for Jr,I have felt that Crystal still cared for Ronald and seeing him with Misty has made her angry.This video is Jr hugging on his momma,hugging on his Nana Marie and then going to Daddy and hugging on him.Ronald motions for Crystal to sit next to him and Jr and she does,this whole thing is so sad,I can't tell you.It's so sad that they couldn't have worked out thier relationship for thier babies and now be sitting together in thier home.It made me cry for them and thier babies.
blstarke
03-21-2009, 07:59 PM
Check this out; is this the D.S.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031900878.html
Bobbisangel
03-21-2009, 08:09 PM
I've wondered about that since the change on the amber alert...I couldn't figure it out what made them change it and why or what it meant....what do you think it means?? moo.
I don't think LE has any idea what happened to Haleigh. They haven't ruled anyone out as suspects and they aren't giving any information about this missing child. I really don't think that they know what happened to her. Even if every single person passed their poly it really doesn't mean anything. Some people can pass when they are lying their heads off. I know a guy who murdered his friend over drug money. The killer took a poly and passed it! To top it off he got busted for drugs...made a deal with LE and they only charged him with the drugs they caught him with...not the murder!
I just wish Haleigh would be found but I'm beginning to wonder if she ever will be unless her mother has her stuck away somewhere until she gets custody of RJ. Otherwise, it's been a long time now which is not a good sign.
SeriouslySearching
03-21-2009, 08:36 PM
Check this out; is this the D.S.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031900878.htmlIt would make him 61 yo?
Indeed, he remembered reading about a local named Daniel S., 54, an accused child molester out on bail for sexual battery against two little girls, a man with a circus fascination who offered unicycle lessons and drove a white stretch limo.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/18/accused-child-predator-offers-help-for-haleigh/#more-1256
nunzio
03-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Someone brought up the interview Cobra did. It did seem strange letting loose all the information. The more I think of it though, when Ronald didn't show up on Thursday to meet with Cobra then all bets were off. It's possible it's a flushing out tactic. It's also possible it's all BS.
Capri
03-21-2009, 08:57 PM
Check this out; is this the D.S.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031900878.html
convicted in 1979, 25 year sentence(?), in Maryland.
just realized the article's date- 1988
worth looking into, definitely
Capri
03-21-2009, 09:04 PM
It would make him 61 yo?
Indeed, he remembered reading about a local named Daniel S., 54, an accused child molester out on bail for sexual battery against two little girls, a man with a circus fascination who offered unicycle lessons and drove a white stretch limo.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/18/accused-child-predator-offers-help-for-haleigh/#more-1256
"Call the police, Marty"
who's Marty? Roomate? Friend?
lakelandladi
03-21-2009, 09:05 PM
It would make him 61 yo?
Indeed, he remembered reading about a local named Daniel Snodgrass, 54, an accused child molester out on bail for sexual battery against two little girls, a man with a circus fascination who offered unicycle lessons and drove a white stretch limo.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/18/accused-child-predator-offers-help-for-haleigh/#more-1256
Ummmm why didn't they "dig" to find out who this guy Marty is? Oh wait, I forgot, that would be considered investigative reporting. :floorlaugh:
mck16
03-21-2009, 10:27 PM
Thank you so much for that link,it has made me even sadder for what has happened.This is how it should be for Jr,I have felt that Crystal still cared for Ronald and seeing him with Misty has made her angry.This video is Jr hugging on his momma,hugging on his Nana Marie and then going to Daddy and hugging on him.Ronald motions for Crystal to sit next to him and Jr and she does,this whole thing is so sad,I can't tell you.It's so sad that they couldn't have worked out thier relationship for thier babies and now be sitting together in thier home.It made me cry for them and thier babies.
It made me cry too. That is why I wanted people to see that they are not bad people. They love their children. I just don't know what happened to change the dynamics.
Sunburst70791
03-21-2009, 11:51 PM
QUOTE=CatPerson;3490237]Hi, CatPerson here, this is my first attempt at posting anything on Websleuths. Hope I don't screw up! What I wanted to add was that I drove from Jacksonville, down to Satsuma today, to have a look-see for myself. I had lunch at Meemaw's restaurant, where RC and Cobra met for the interview. I talked to the people who worked there. They indeed confirmed for me some of the things that Cobra did say took place that night in the restaurant. RC and Cobra did meet that evening in that restaurant. They said RC kept running outside to take his calls. (There is a sign up asking all patrons to refrain from using cell phones in the dining area.) They had a LOT to say. Locals always do! They seem to embrace Cobra, and had not so nice things to say about MC and RC.[/QUOTE]
:Welcome-12-june:
CatPerson! For your first post @ Websleuths...it's better than all of mine combined!!
Donjeta
03-22-2009, 08:55 AM
Here, Cobra is said to be paid by an anonymous donor in Miami. If that's true I would expect that the donor is mostly interested in finding Haleigh. Unless the donor is somebody connected to Crystal's side of the family, I don't suppose they'd be as interested in financing a custody battle.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3
MADJGNLAW
03-22-2009, 08:57 AM
Has anyone figured out who Misty's friend "Greg" is? I would like to know if LE has questioned him. It seems as if LE is not as active in the search as they were the first week. I wish someone would give an update.
Donjeta
03-22-2009, 10:03 AM
There was a picture of a Greg somebody in the Parking Lot.
Indiana at Heart
03-22-2009, 10:09 AM
Here, Cobra is said to be paid by an anonymous donor in Miami. If that's true I would expect that the donor is mostly interested in finding Haleigh. Unless the donor is somebody connected to Crystal's side of the family, I don't suppose they'd be as interested in financing a custody battle.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3
Cobra is working directly for KP and Crystal. He is not an independent PI on this case.
Picazio is also bringing in a crack private investigator, William Staubs, 52, a gravel-voiced tough guy who weighs 250 pounds and goes by the nickname Cobra. He’ll be hunting witnesses, says Picazio
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/11/...wants-custody/
I can't find the link for this but The PI is no longer working the case
Donjeta
03-22-2009, 10:48 AM
I can't find the link for this but The PI is no longer working the case
What happened to him? Money ran out? He talked too much? Got his TV deal?
tehcloser
03-22-2009, 11:06 AM
Do we know for sure Cobra is out?
gypsyblue
03-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Cobra states he will stay on the case until HIS money runs out, not till he stops getting paid. Im sure it takes money to survive while there. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&provider=rss
He also said in a video in the beginning that he is not being paid to do this. If he has backed off a little....IMO it is because RCs lawyers are protecting RC...just sayin MOO
CeeKer
03-22-2009, 11:55 AM
Has anyone figured out who Misty's friend "Greg" is? I would like to know if LE has questioned him. It seems as if LE is not as active in the search as they were the first week. I wish someone would give an update.
I saw somewhere (Parking lot??) a local say that Greg has been known to LE and has been questioned. I think it was posted by Anna FL (or Stormy maybe?)
CatPerson
03-22-2009, 12:56 PM
I'm new to this site (stumbled across it last night and joined and think it's GREAT!), and honestly didn't read every single rule and regulation of how I'm supposed to conduct myself. I think I have pretty good sense of what to post and what not to post, that is, if it's similar to other posting sites.
MADJGNLAW
03-22-2009, 01:41 PM
Do we know for sure Cobra is out?
:confused:Cobra will stay in Satsuma working the case "until his funding runs out."Video of Cobra 3/20/09
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx
:confused:Cobra will stay in Satsuma working the case "until his funding runs out."Video of Cobra 3/20/09
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx
I hope that his benefactor will provide him with additional funds if he should run out before he can finish his investigations.
radio
03-22-2009, 02:14 PM
I hope that his benefactor will provide him with additional funds if he should run out before he can finish his investigations.
Kat - I really hope so too! He is able to fit in so well
he might actually find out something.
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We will lie, go to parties, get high, get tatooed... go mudding... get married... go to NYC, the county fair, whatever it takes to find our daughter...
kamky
03-22-2009, 03:56 PM
Thank you so much for that link,it has made me even sadder for what has happened.This is how it should be for Jr,I have felt that Crystal still cared for Ronald and seeing him with Misty has made her angry.This video is Jr hugging on his momma,hugging on his Nana Marie and then going to Daddy and hugging on him.Ronald motions for Crystal to sit next to him and Jr and she does,this whole thing is so sad,I can't tell you.It's so sad that they couldn't have worked out thier relationship for thier babies and now be sitting together in thier home.It made me cry for them and thier babies.
This video makes quite an impact, with all the hugging and snuggling between Jr and both Chrystal and Ron. He sure didn't come across as an abused child, the way he was hanging onto Ron! More like he felt comfy and protected.
Maybe Cobra just went home for the weekend to see his family and he'll be back in full force tomorrow. Hope so.
CatPerson
03-22-2009, 06:06 PM
Does anyone have a clue why all of my posts have been removed? I only joined this site last night. Not only have mine been removed, but those who replied to me were removed also, all except ONE, because it looks likes whoever did the removing missed ONE that had mention of me. Could the moderator please explain this to me? MADJGNLAW had one very excellent posting with all of alledged White Boy Greg's list of arrests. If there is anyone who could comment on this, please let me know. Does this happen often? Did I overstep some boundaries here that I apparently know nothing about? All I did was post a photo of "White Boy Greg" - Gregory P. L., and apparently someone didn't like it. Did I do something wrong? Please advise.
Bobbisangel
03-22-2009, 06:39 PM
Haven't heard anything about this great bounty hunter for awhile. Has anyone heard anything? Is he still around? Is he looking for Haleigh?
I was reading on another forum last night and read that Cobra was supposed to have talked to Ron and that Ron married Misty to keep her close to him so he can learn the truth about what happened to Haleigh. Cobra said that he told Ron that Misty had been having an affair with a black guy named Greg and Ron said he knew about it. Cobra tried to get Misty to reinact that night and she was going to then changed her mind and walked out of the room. It is probably just a bunch of rumors but this is what is going around. It doesn't sound like Cobra is going to solve this mystery or that he is even doing anything to try. That is what I'm getting anyway. Don't know if he is even still around or not now.
Maybe he just blew in like a big wind and whipped right through town and out again.
KSH352
03-22-2009, 06:46 PM
What happened to him? Money ran out? He talked too much? Got his TV deal?
He was still there today.
KSH352
03-22-2009, 06:48 PM
Maybe Cobra just went home for the weekend to see his family and he'll be back in full force tomorrow. Hope so.
nope, he was there yesterday and today
Bobbisangel
03-22-2009, 07:07 PM
Yes, it sounds like him. I saw an interview with him on the news. I think he's real and Ron is on board with him releasing this. Misty is the key.
I would like to hear this from Ron instead of just from this Cobra. Why does this guy call Greg "the white boy" when earlier he said he was black? That is what I read on a different forum.
Personally, I can't imagine Ron believing that Misty had something to do with Haleigh's abduction or that she knows something and him not choking the truth out of her long ago. It is said that he has such a bad temper...if so...would this make any sense? I can't see him marrying her if he had even a clue that she knew things but wasn't telling. It just doesn't fit for me. He wants to find his daughter...NOW and I can't see any parent having the patience to wait until his wife breaks or decides to tell the truth. I don't see Ron with that much patience or anyone else for that matter. I think if Misty was lying LE would have broken her by now.
Bobbisangel
03-22-2009, 07:09 PM
nope, he was there yesterday and today
What is Cobra doing to find Haleigh? He seemed to believe that he could come in and solve this case pretty fast but so far nothing is happening that I'm aware of. Is he looking for her or just talking to people?
Bobbisangel
03-22-2009, 07:20 PM
I just saw the thread a minute ago. I swear it wasn't there before...LOL. I read the list twice. I'm going blind..that is all there is to it. I hope this can be removed cause we don't need two.
Tom'sGirl
03-22-2009, 07:29 PM
Does anyone have a clue why all of my posts have been removed? I only joined this site last night. Not only have mine been removed, but those who replied to me were removed also, all except ONE, because it looks likes whoever did the removing missed ONE that had mention of me. Could the moderator please explain this to me? MADJGNLAW had one very excellent posting with all of alledged White Boy Greg's list of arrests. If there is anyone who could comment on this, please let me know. Does this happen often? Did I overstep some boundaries here that I apparently know nothing about? All I did was post a photo of "White Boy Greg" - and apparently someone didn't like it. Did I do something wrong? Please advise.
I removed the information you posted, PLUS the photo as this person is not part of the investigation at this time.
We don't post 'Random' people's information in here based on 'Rumor' and "Hearsay'.
Thank you !
Bobbisangel
03-22-2009, 07:34 PM
OK, I like so totally missed the story of the bouncing couch. :confused:
We all missed the story of the bouncing couch...it must have come in later.
We also missed the black man at first...it came in later.
We only heard..."a man in black with squeaky shoes took sissy."
I would discount "a black man and the bouncing couch" as they were added as the story went along.
KSH352
03-22-2009, 07:37 PM
We all missed the story of the bouncing couch...it must have come in later.
We also missed the black man at first...it came in later.
We only heard..."a man in black with squeaky shoes took sissy."
I would discount "a black man and the bouncing couch" as they were added as the story went along.
it might be possible that little JR is remembering in bits and pieces....
CatPerson
03-22-2009, 07:54 PM
I removed the information you posted, PLUS the photo as this person is not part of the investigation at this time.
We don't post 'Random' people's information in here based on 'Rumor' and "Hearsay'.
Thank you !
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I can't quite understand why my first posting was deleted though. I only mentioned that I drove down to Satsuma and had lunch at MeMa's and that the employees there confirmed that RC and Cobra had indeed had a meeting in their restaurant. (I REALLY did drive down there yesterday. I am not making that up.) I wrote that because so many people in this forum were questioning whether that interview/meeting really even took place. Call it hearsay if you will, because I am not getting paid to post or drive down there to Satsuma to ask questions like that. I was only curious like everyone else. I think a lot of what is posted on here could be construed as "hearsay" or incomplete or speculative information, by nature of the forum, especially if most members/posters are not professional law enforcement assigned to the case. I don't think that any of us are. I thought this forum was to express our opinions and to perhaps figure out what "really happened." I do understand now that I should not have used a person's full name, and I apologize for that. I will definitely go back and read the terms of service!
Bobbisangel
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
In my opinion, this Cobra dude lacks integrity! Regardless who hired him, etc. the fact that he would induce RC's confidences and then publically air them is not right. Now that he has put out this "interview" Misty can say to RC - I told you so, he is out to get Jr taken and that's all!
This stupid interview has done more harm than good in my opinion and for such a crackshot PI to be so careless about his work is amazing.
This cast of characters is beginning to resemble those in the Anthony case and it is disgusting! Seriously - is every young girl that goes missing in Florida going to be 20-25 people's chance to become famous and on national TV? WTH????
Salem
I couldn't agree with you more. I was thinking the same thing. I don't know what the purpose of this interview was but I can only come to one conclusion...he is tooting his own horn. I think he is full of it and I would really like to hear it from Ron's own mouth if this is true or not. It's been all over the media and internet that Ron is supposed to have a terrible temper so it wouldn't be hard to make up some stuff that he was supposed to have said like "putting a gun in her mouth."
I don't think we will hear anything from Ron though. He is busy trying to find his daughter and he is listening to his attorneys about making any comments to the things that Crystal is saying about him and I think it will be the same way with this hotshot PI. Maybe that is the purpose of what Cobra is saying...to get a reaction from Ron.
LE doesn't seem to worried about RJ's safety. Maybe they believe that Crystal put those ideas in his head and that he really didn't see or hear anything at all. Makes me wonder because of the way she keeps adding to the story. Crystal isn't worried about RJ's safety or she never would have taken RJ on Geraldo so the whole nation could see his face. Ron is smart to just keep quiet and not give anyone anything to talk about from his side.
Tom'sGirl
03-22-2009, 09:02 PM
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I can't quite understand why my first posting was deleted though. I only mentioned that I drove down to Satsuma and had lunch at MeMa's and that the employees there confirmed that RC and Cobra had indeed had a meeting in their restaurant. (I REALLY did drive down there yesterday. I am not making that up.) I wrote that because so many people in this forum were questioning whether that interview/meeting really even took place. Call it hearsay if you will, because I am not getting paid to post or drive down there to Satsuma to ask questions like that. I was only curious like everyone else. I think a lot of what is posted on here could be construed as "hearsay" or incomplete or speculative information, by nature of the forum, especially if most members/posters are not professional law enforcement assigned to the case. I don't think that any of us are. I thought this forum was to express our opinions and to perhaps figure out what "really happened." I do understand now that I should not have used a person's full name, and I apologize for that. I will definitely go back and read the terms of service!
Expressing your opinons are fine, posting random parties information not mentioned in this case are not.
Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable posting in a Private here at WS
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81833 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81833)
where your 'hearsay' won't be picked up as fact on someone's Google search.
panthera
03-22-2009, 09:16 PM
This video makes quite an impact, with all the hugging and snuggling between Jr and both Chrystal and Ron. He sure didn't come across as an abused child, the way he was hanging onto Ron! More like he felt comfy and protected.
I also got the same impression from photos of Haleigh and her dad together. :) MOO
CatPerson
03-22-2009, 09:38 PM
Expressing your opinons are fine, posting random parties information not mentioned in this case are not.
Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable posting in a Private here at WS
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81833 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81833)
where your 'hearsay' won't be picked up as fact on someone's Google search.
Thank you kindly! :)
solveit
03-22-2009, 09:44 PM
Very true.
solveit
03-22-2009, 09:53 PM
Don't give up on Cobra finding out what happened to her. It may appear he is gone long before he leaves. Unless the guilty confess, Cobra is the only hope I think we have of finding out what happened to her. I want answers and justice for her. I am very concerned about her little brother. It's too late for her. He needs protection.
winterrose
03-24-2009, 03:16 PM
Kim Pacazio was "Cobra's" lawyer in family court with his wife in 2006 according to Broward County records.It seems like the only thing he's done is made public what LE might have been keeping close to thier breast,since they had already questioned WBG.Besides that and a bad mouth,he's only dug up rumor.I don't see where he's helped the case,except give people more to look up and with all we have and no concrete info,might just be a distraction.But,I think his quick departure after the interview speaks alot.
titanfan62702
03-24-2009, 07:27 PM
"Greg" has made Issues on HLN.
They are talking about him.
Tom'sGirl
03-24-2009, 07:37 PM
"Greg" has made Issues on HLN.
They are talking about him.
Yep, but not by full name or has he been named in this case by LE as of YET!
Ms Suzanne
03-24-2009, 07:37 PM
"Greg" has made Issues on HLN.
They are talking about him.
Yes,I saw this.I do think maybe he had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance.
Charla
03-25-2009, 01:53 AM
Without LE confirming or denying ANYTHING, it is kind of hard to tell how much the PI is getting done...As of now, I really don't think there is any definitive way of separating "real" from "rumor"...JMO
Melanie
03-25-2009, 05:45 AM
Don't think so - he's not wearing a cowboy hat. LOL
All you have to do is take one look at Cobra and see it's someone you don't want looking for you. I liked Padilla for awhile, until I realized it was all about being a celebrity. He's just an ol' pussycat :) But I still like the cowboy hat!
Go Cobra - I know you can do this!!!
Mel
azwriter
03-26-2009, 01:54 AM
Yes, it sounds like him. I saw an interview with him on the news. I think he's real and Ron is on board with him releasing this. Misty is the key.
You've got me thinking out loud.
If Ron admits he knows about this other guy and Misty being together, does that mean Misty know that Ron knows? Did Ron confront Misty and they had a fight about it and she promised never to see this guy again?
There has to be some kind of background about this between Ron and Misty.
It would certainly go to motive. If Misty and the guy were in the home that night, and Haliegh woke up and wandered into the livingroom and caught sight of the two of them, wouldn't Misty have reason to eliminate Haliegh as a witness? She didn't want Ron to know she was with this guy again. Especially in his own house while she was supposed to be caring for the children.
So, she had the guy take Haleigh and who knows what happened to that little girl then.
Having watched Misty's interviews, I believe she would go to that length in order that Ron not know what she was up to.
jmo
solveit
03-26-2009, 01:58 AM
If anyone doubts Cobra is for real you can go my youtube and see many of his videos I have saved in my favorites. I hope and pray he brings the guilty to justice. My biggest fear is the punishment will never fit the crime. WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE AND GRAPHIC VIOLENCE IN SOME OF THE VIDEOS!
http://www.youtube.com/user/SolveCrimes
Donjeta
03-26-2009, 03:30 AM
Bringing this over from the closed JVM thread:
Pinkypoo said: I don't think you heard directly from LE that he passed...or is cleared. If you did can you post a link please to that info. The only one I have heard say that is Cobra and I don't belive anything he says. He was caught in a web of lies in the CA case.
What was his role in the CA case?
Donjeta
03-26-2009, 05:20 AM
I'm not sure whether to put this here or Ron and Misty thread. Please move if appropriate.
What is your take on http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372
I find this hinky but I'm not sure whether it's because it's RC has said these things to mess with Cobra or because Cobra and AH are messing with journalism.
It doesn't make sense to me that RC would say both
A) that he'll divorce her right away once he finds his child, but until then he keeps his enemies close
and then
B) about recent allegations that it doesn't matter, he still loves her.
If you feel like B, why would you say A?
Talison
03-26-2009, 06:02 AM
Bringing this over from the closed JVM thread:
Pinkypoo said: I don't think you heard directly from LE that he passed...or is cleared. If you did can you post a link please to that info. The only one I have heard say that is Cobra and I don't belive anything he says. He was caught in a web of lies in the CA case.
What was his role in the CA case?
Pinkypoo must have Cobra mixed up with someone else, because Cobra has never been involved in any way in the Caylee Anthony case. Possibly confusing him with Leonard P or Dominic C?
lakelandladi
03-26-2009, 06:41 AM
Bringing this over from the closed JVM thread:
Pinkypoo said: I don't think you heard directly from LE that he passed...or is cleared. If you did can you post a link please to that info. The only one I have heard say that is Cobra and I don't belive anything he says. He was caught in a web of lies in the CA case.
What was his role in the CA case?
I think Pinkypoo got the two PI's mixed up that are working on Haleigh's case. It is D.Casey that was on the CA case not Cobra.
Emeralgem
03-26-2009, 07:58 AM
I think Pinkypoo got the two PI's mixed up that are working on Haleigh's case. It is D.Casey that was on the CA case not Cobra.
Didn't know DominicCasey was working on the Haleigh Cummings case..Would have thought he would have stayed out of this one considering the mess he has created for himself in the Cayle Anthony case..
lakelandladi
03-26-2009, 08:00 AM
Didn't know DominicCasey was working on the Haleigh Cummings case..Would have thought he would have stayed out of this one considering the mess he has created for himself in the Cayle Anthony case..
You would have thought, right. He has been there for quite a while...long before Cobra.
Emeralgem
03-26-2009, 08:09 AM
You would have thought, right. He has been there for quite a while...long before Cobra.
All I can say is LE needs to watch him in case he starts snooping in one particular place.
lakelandladi
03-26-2009, 08:49 AM
All I can say is LE needs to watch him in case he starts snooping in one particular place.
It certainly has made me wonder even more about all the rumors and exactly where they came from.
KR2tonenow
03-26-2009, 06:32 PM
"Keep your enemies close", interesting. Actually Ron is smarter than I gave him credit for!!! Why aren't they checking cell phone records on WBG and Misty??? Can't LE bring both in on Suspicion, something....???
Mysterylover
03-26-2009, 07:08 PM
You've got me thinking out loud.
If Ron admits he knows about this other guy and Misty being together, does that mean Misty know that Ron knows? Did Ron confront Misty and they had a fight about it and she promised never to see this guy again?
There has to be some kind of background about this between Ron and Misty.
It would certainly go to motive.
If Misty and the guy were in the home that night, and Haliegh woke up and wandered into the livingroom and caught sight of the two of them, wouldn't Misty have reason to eliminate Haliegh as a witness?
She didn't want Ron to know she was with this guy again. Especially in his own house while she was supposed to be caring for the children.
So, she had the guy take Haleigh and who knows what happened to that little girl then.
Having watched Misty's interviews, I believe she would go to that length in order that Ron not know what she was up to.
jmo.........
azwriter..All the good points started me thinking...What IF the following happened?:
the noise that Misty and he lover was making wakes Haleigh up...She walks in the room and tells Misty she's gonna tell he Dad...
Misty freaks out and tells her lover that Ron will kill them both if he finds out...so the lover takes Haleigh on the way out....jmo..:blowkiss:
solveit
03-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Just another spider in the tangled web that has been woven. I'm not afraid of snakes either, but I hate spiders.
Way to go COBRA. Keep up the good work.
Justice for Haleigh.
Link to an Art Harris video showing Cobra actively searching for Haleigh.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387
gogrannypop
03-26-2009, 07:58 PM
"Keep your enemies close", interesting. Actually Ron is smarter than I gave him credit for!!! Why aren't they checking cell phone records on WBG and Misty??? Can't LE bring both in on Suspicion, something....???
I'm sure LE has checked everyone's cel records. They probably have a whole lot more than we know. Can't wait for an arrest so we can see what they really do have.
one_hooah_wife
03-26-2009, 10:41 PM
I'm not sure whether to put this here or Ron and Misty thread. Please move if appropriate.
What is your take on http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372
I find this hinky but I'm not sure whether it's because it's RC has said these things to mess with Cobra or because Cobra and AH are messing with journalism.
It doesn't make sense to me that RC would say both
A) that he'll divorce her right away once he finds his child, but until then he keeps his enemies close
and then
B) about recent allegations that it doesn't matter, he still loves her.
If you feel like B, why would you say A?
It makes sense to me that he would say both ... A) Was allegedly said to Cobra ... I am sure RC thought it would be taken in confidence since they were supposedly working together to find Haleigh. B) Was said for Misty's benefit alone. He hopes that by marrying her and lulling her into a false sense of security ... ie, "Baby, it doesn't matter ... I love you and I will never leave you ... just tell me what happened and we will work it all out"
I remember thinking that early on in the Caylee case, if TL had pretended to support KC, maybe just maybe she would have told him SOMETHING. Looking back, I doubt it would have made a difference ... KC is a prolific, well practiced pathological liar and sociopath ... I don't think she will ever tell the truth. I think Misty is just a scared and insecure little kid. I don't blame him for trying ... I feel better about that, than him doing nothing ... or worse, alienating the one person with the answers.
one_hooah_wife
03-26-2009, 10:48 PM
azwriter..All the good points started me thinking...What IF the following happened?:
the noise that Misty and he lover was making wakes Haleigh up...She walks in the room and tells Misty she's gonna tell he Dad...
Misty freaks out and tells her lover that Ron will kill them both if he finds out...so the lover takes Haleigh on the way out....jmo..:blowkiss:
I have a sick feeling that this or some version of this is what happened. I also think that Misty may have not directly been involved in hurting Haleigh ... but is being threatened if she tells. Then she has two threats hanging over her head ... What RC will do when he finds out and what will happen to her or her family if LE finds out.
KSH352
03-26-2009, 11:04 PM
Do we know for sure Cobra is out?
He was there and working late this afternoon?
Searchfortruth
03-26-2009, 11:28 PM
I don't know what to believe anymore with all this Cobra, AH, news...RC only marrying MC to find out what happened to Haleigh ???????
Zephyr
03-27-2009, 05:42 AM
Yeah, Donjeta, it makes no sense for RC to say that he married Misty to keep his enemies close AND because he still loves her. But how would it make sense for Cobra to share this info with the media? Well, I think Cobra has managed to do what LE cannot do and what Misty's family has perhaps not seen fit to do, for whatever reason. Namely, he's sent Misty a message - Ron is NOT your friend. He's trying to set you up. Cooperate with LE and get yourself out of this mess now! I believe that when/if ever Misty tells what happened between the time she woke up and found Haleigh missing and LE arrived at the home, then we'll be looking at RC as a very likely POI. Just my opinion.
daisy.faithfull
03-27-2009, 05:55 AM
I've been thinking about underground/illegal leads that Cobra or other PIs could follow. Cobra had himself mentioned baby selling, so I search the internet for information on that. It seems that baby selling is an outside of the law form of adoption. Haleigh is probably one the most adorable little girls I have ever seen, but since she has a disability and is old enough to miss her old family, I doubt she would be a candidate for that. The is the horrifying possibility that she was sold to a ring of pedophiles like the kind they show on Law & Order Special Victims Unit-- don't know if that stuff happens in the real word though. Lets hope it does not.
I did some research on human trafficing and found that children usually come from eastern parts of the world and are sent to live in the west. Which doesn't fit in Haleigh's case. I couldn't find anything about criminal organizations in Florida participating in this kind of criminal activity, however I did learn that while drug trafficing is the leader in global crime, human trafficing comes in second. I kinda thought that Cobra didn't know what he was talking about when he mentioned this. Sadly he did.
So then I research drug activity in Florida through the DEA. I got the following off of this site http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/state_factsheets/florida.html
"Drug Situation: The State of Florida is a primary area for international drug trafficking and money laundering organizations, as well as a principal thoroughfare for cocaine and heroin transiting to the northeastern United States and Canada. Florida’s over 8,000 miles of coastline provides virtually unlimited access and opportunities for drug trafficking organizations to use maritime conveyances to smuggle drugs. The short distance between Florida and the Bahamas also serves as a smuggling corridor along the southeast coastline. Additionally, Florida’s numerous international airports and maritime ports provide traffickers with a means to smuggle drugs through the use of couriers and cargo facilities. South Florida, with its unique mix of nationalities and ties to Central and South America, is a primary domestic command and control center for Colombian narcotics traffickers and money laundering organizations. Recently, Mexican organizations have also made tremendous inroads, and are responsible for the smuggling and distribution of cocaine, methamphetamine (i.e. crystal methamphetamine) and marijuana throughout large portions of the state – from the Panhandle to as far south as Palm Beach County. Smuggling into Florida occurs via various types of maritime conveyances and cargo freighters, as well as via commercial aircraft. Additionally, the shift to ground transportation (e.g. passenger vehicle, bus and rail) as a means of transporting narcotics throughout the state continues to increase."
The site also indicates that the DEA ranks Florida second when ranking the drug activity of the various states. The site has more information like explanations on the various drugs used.
If any of this is related to Haleigh's disappearance due to members of the family's drug use, LE is looking at a very serious situation. I would guess that men like Cobra would be able to contact these organizations and get Haleigh. Maybe LE's hush hush is to keep these organizations from thinking they are a focus of investigation, freeking out and killing Haleigh. So it is possible that Cobra's taped conversation with Ron was done to again give those organizations a false sense of security.
Cobra seems to think that he has the pulse of this kind of activities and organizations-- maybe he does. I hope so if any of this is involved.
Zephyr
03-27-2009, 09:26 AM
So then, daisy.faithfull, you think that the conversation between Cobra and RC was staged, or simply made up by Cobra with RC's approval, in order to assuage the fears of the real perp? Could be... If so, then RC must have warned Misty in advance that he was going to falsely incriminate her. That would explain why she was, as Cobra alleges, so angry at RC for meeting with Cobra - she didn't like the idea of being the fall guy, even albeit for a good reason. Or maybe her alleged anger was also made up by Cobra and she was actually totally on board with the plan. Now I'm thinking, seems almost for sure RC must have told her in advance. And she would believe he did not in fact suspect her. But her family - somehow I don't think they would buy that story. Not sure I can either, but it's certainly something to consider. Thanks for your insight.
Trino
03-27-2009, 10:31 AM
Daisy, you have some good ideas.
RC, however, if anything, would have been a low level distributor. I don't believe he had connections to high profile dealers. IMO, however, H's disappearance could have been connected to something RC did to offend someone in the drug trade - a revenge kidnapping. With the types of people involved, anything is possible.
interested_in_facts
03-27-2009, 12:29 PM
Ron has insurance on the kids so I don't think that would be a motive and how would he know the court was going to file contempt charges on Crystal? Do they tell people that in advance of them doing it?
I have had to deal with both Texas and Florida in my child support issues and I was the one who had to take the other parent back to court. I had to tell the child support office I wanted them to enforce the order and I was always told when court was. I was informed only once when they served him the rest of the times i was told heres the court date and i did not have to be there. It worked this way for both states. So my guess would be yes he knew of the court date. Also this was the same way for my sister in law who is still living in Florida (not far from this area) who is also fighting to have her ex pay his child support.
I would also like to add as far as Texas and going to jail, they do not always put them in jail on back support. my ex hubby has gotten out of jail everytime he went to court on 16,000 back support. the last time was 4 contempt charges for 180 days for each count and he got out of it(even with a history of not paying or going to jail for it).
Ok going back to reading again :D
Had to edit to add I am a little behind on everything just gettign caught up on this thread i should have quoted who i was replying to hehe sorry
KR2tonenow
03-27-2009, 12:54 PM
Is there any NEW news today on Cobra??
KR2tonenow
03-27-2009, 02:22 PM
Thanks MadJ your awesome, I think they are RIGHT on target. :))
Indigo
03-27-2009, 02:30 PM
Yeah, Donjeta, it makes no sense for RC to say that he married Misty to keep his enemies close AND because he still loves her. But how would it make sense for Cobra to share this info with the media? Well, I think Cobra has managed to do what LE cannot do and what Misty's family has perhaps not seen fit to do, for whatever reason. Namely, he's sent Misty a message - Ron is NOT your friend. He's trying to set you up. Cooperate with LE and get yourself out of this mess now! I believe that when/if ever Misty tells what happened between the time she woke up and found Haleigh missing and LE arrived at the home, then we'll be looking at RC as a very likely POI. Just my opinion.
I couldn't agree more, Zephyr.
winterrose
03-27-2009, 02:50 PM
I do not believe anything unless it is by LE.Ronald and Misty could have played Cobra in that interview,because they know he's not real LE and has no jurisdiction or business implementing himself in the investigation for Haleigh being missing.Cobra is there for the custody and not looking for Haleigh.LE is looking for Haleigh.Misty was more than likely told not to talk to anyone else but LE and why she wouldn't talk to Cobra anymore than a reporter.They know Cobra is there to help have another child taken from them and at this time there is no real evidence,but only rumor,that Haleigh was taken by anyone but an abductor while she was sleeping.Ronald and Misty owe Cobra nothing and he is in the way of an investigation.
MADJGNLAW
03-27-2009, 03:54 PM
Hope I don't get in trouble for this...delete if it's inappropriate. I was looking for the tab for the mod to check my reply and could not find it.
I just wanted to share this video, Ron had Cobra attend one of the vigils and you can see and hear it for yourself since some don't believe that Cobra and Ron have met.
Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil
Video at Link: http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372
Bratlings
03-27-2009, 04:34 PM
I do not believe anything unless it is by LE.Ronald and Misty could have played Cobra in that interview,because they know he's not real LE and has no jurisdiction or business implementing himself in the investigation for Haleigh being missing.Cobra is there for the custody and not looking for Haleigh.LE is looking for Haleigh.Misty was more than likely told not to talk to anyone else but LE and why she wouldn't talk to Cobra anymore than a reporter.They know Cobra is there to help have another child taken from them and at this time there is no real evidence,but only rumor,that Haleigh was taken by anyone but an abductor while she was sleeping.Ronald and Misty owe Cobra nothing and he is in the way of an investigation.
I think you are giving them too much credit.
KR2tonenow
03-27-2009, 05:33 PM
Hope I don't get in trouble for this...delete if it's inappropriate. I was looking for the tab for the mod to check my reply and could not find it.
I just wanted to share this video, Ron had Cobra attend one of the vigils and you can see and hear it for yourself since some don't believe that Cobra and Ron have met.
Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil
Video at Link: http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372
<snipped> from video
We’re still looking at inconsistencies,” a top law enforcement source told me, as the task force of federal, state and local police try to figure who’s telling the truth in their search for what they hope will be a little girl who’s still alive.
It's great to know that LE is not buying the original story at all.
Bobbisangel
03-27-2009, 09:33 PM
I can think of several cases where a PI inserted himself into a case and thought he was going to be the one to solve it. I've never heard of one that has actually solved a case though. I really doubt that Cobra is going to solve this one if LE and the FBI can't. It seems to me that most PI's are full of hot air...they talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. They get a family's hopes up only to let them down.
The smartest thing LE could have done was to keep Tim Miller and Co there for a little longer and let them search. I think LE told them to leave because it just seems to me that Tim Miller would have stayed when Ron went to him and begged him not to leave. Was it Tim that said "she's not here." If it was does anyone know why he would say that? Who told him that Haleigh wasn't there and how would anyone know? That doesn't make sense. Does LE or the FBI know something that we don't?
nnglas
03-27-2009, 09:56 PM
I can think of several cases where a PI inserted himself into a case and thought he was going to be the one to solve it. I've never heard of one that has actually solved a case though. I really doubt that Cobra is going to solve this one if LE and the FBI can't. It seems to me that most PI's are full of hot air...they talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. They get a family's hopes up only to let them down.
The smartest thing LE could have done was to keep Tim Miller and Co there for a little longer and let them search. I think LE told them to leave because it just seems to me that Tim Miller would have stayed when Ron went to him and begged him not to leave. Was it Tim that said "she's not here." If it was does anyone know why he would say that? Who told him that Haleigh wasn't there and how would anyone know? That doesn't make sense. Does LE or the FBI know something that we don't?
I doubt it. Honestly, I think we all would like to think that they do, but I don't think so. I think they have no viable leads and I fear we will never know what where Haleigh is. We have all been asking ourselves the question of what the police know for weeks. There really doesn't seem to be much going on in this case except for the accusation being thrown around. But I guess it keeps Haleigh in the news.
daisy.faithfull
03-28-2009, 01:22 AM
So then, daisy.faithfull, you think that the conversation between Cobra and RC was staged, or simply made up by Cobra with RC's approval, in order to assuage the fears of the real perp? Could be...
I tend to think that Haleigh was abducted by an SO that is unregistered and unknown to law enforcement, the other theory I lean towards is that her abduction is somehow related to someone's subtance abuse/use. But I do look at all possibilities, play them out in my head and whatnot. I've just been playing through different possibilities of what Cobra is doing because he is the only investigator that is telling us anything since LE is being so tight lipped.
If so, then RC must have warned Misty in advance that he was going to falsely incriminate her. That would explain why she was, as Cobra alleges, so angry at RC for meeting with Cobra - she didn't like the idea of being the fall guy, even albeit for a good reason. Or maybe her alleged anger was also made up by Cobra and she was actually totally on board with the plan. Now I'm thinking, seems almost for sure RC must have told her in advance. And she would believe he did not in fact suspect her. But her family - somehow I don't think they would buy that story. Not sure I can either, but it's certainly something to consider. Thanks for your insight.
And I just do not get how the conversation with Ron that Cobra could not totally send Misty into a fit, if not a meltdown. I would think that she would be upset to be the fall guy, especially how she is portrayed by the media as the assumed POI. But if she thought anything I would would think that she would be out the door.
You are right about her family though-- I hadn't thought about that aspect. Hmmmmm... bringing them in the scam would be viewed by Cobra/LE as dangerous because it would be too many people that could ruin the plan... if they even believed there was a plan and the conversation was planted.
daisy.faithfull
03-28-2009, 02:11 AM
Daisy, you have some good ideas.
RC, however, if anything, would have been a low level distributor. I don't believe he had connections to high profile dealers. IMO, however, H's disappearance could have been connected to something RC did to offend someone in the drug trade - a revenge kidnapping. With the types of people involved, anything is possible.
I don't think that Ron C. is a big time dealer either-- what I found interesting about the material I posted was just how prevalent drugs are in Florida and how prevalent human trafficing is compared to my perception that it really isn't something that is common.
BUT, now that I think about it I'd like to see a breakdown of those human trafficing numbers because I'm wondering if transporting illegal immigrants across the border is considered human trafficing. I'm in Arizona and that is a huge issue here, and it does seem like the criminal organizations involved are involved drugs and gun smuggling. It was mentioned that the Department of Homeland Security is out there in Satsuma, our former Governor just left here to head that organization. She has been on local PBS shows, sometimes with Mexican officials, and she really has done a great deal to make it policy that information related to these kinds of crimes be shared between our LE agencies. If nothing else she is a familiar face and has already built a relationship/line of communication with the authorities down there. Maybe that helps in cases like these where we just need all the help we can get.
daisy.faithfull
03-28-2009, 04:38 AM
I do not believe anything unless it is by LE.Ronald and Misty could have played Cobra in that interview,because they know he's not real LE and has no jurisdiction or business implementing himself in the investigation for Haleigh being missing.
I can see how you feel about not wanting to trust anyone but LE... but Cobra is the only one who is giving us Sleuthers anything about what is going on with the investigation. And it is difficult to take a man that calls himself Cobra seriously, but I think that's just a silly man thing. PIs don't have to worry about warrents, chain of commands, ego, and the right to privacy of those they are investigating etc. The evidence discovered may not be allowed in court, however, like the polygraph, It can point the LE in a certain direction. I don't think that private investigators are the ones actually solving crime, they are the ones who give police information that leads to an arrest.
Cobra is there for the custody and not looking for Haleigh.
I just watched the Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil
Video at Link: http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/...gil/#more-1372
In it he addresses this issue by saying that he is not working this as a child custody case. He says he wants to find Haleigh and prays with them. He would be taking dishonosty to a completely new level by lying at a prayer service.
I also think Cobra's presence there is to look at the people attending, there are cases where SO insert themselves into the story by attending these kinds of things. I would hope that Cobra is giving a good look over to those in attendance at the vigil. LE would stand out too much during a service like this, especially in a small town. I'm sure that there have been people that have no known connection to Haliey, Ron, Misty, or their families. If Ron can point these people out to Cobra so he can look at them people, there body language, expresstion, or if they are doing something out of place.
LE is looking for Haleigh.Misty was more than likely told not to talk to anyone else but LE and why she wouldn't talk to Cobra anymore than a reporter.They know Cobra is there to help have another child taken from them and at this time there is no real evidence,but only rumor,that Haleigh was taken by anyone but an abductor while she was sleeping.Ronald and Misty owe Cobra nothing and he is in the way of an investigation.
It is likely that Misty was told not to talk to LE. While people assume since she doesn't was to do the reinactment because she is guilty, when it could be that it is a result of LE's request she not talk with Cobra.
scandi
03-28-2009, 05:34 AM
I can see how you feel about not wanting to trust anyone but LE... but Cobra is the only one who is giving us Sleuthers anything about what is going on with the investigation. And it is difficult to take a man that calls himself Cobra seriously, but I think that's just a silly man thing. PIs don't have to worry about warrents, chain of commands, ego, and the right to privacy of those they are investigating etc. The evidence discovered may not be allowed in court, however, like the polygraph, It can point the LE in a certain direction. I don't think that private investigators are the ones actually solving crime, they are the ones who give police information that leads to an arrest.
I just watched the Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil
Video at Link: http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/...gil/#more-1372
In it he addresses this issue by saying that he is not working this as a child custody case. He says he wants to find Haleigh and prays with them. He would be taking dishonosty to a completely new level by lying at a prayer service.
I also think Cobra's presence there is to look at the people attending, there are cases where SO insert themselves into the story by attending these kinds of things. I would hope that Cobra is giving a good look over to those in attendance at the vigil. LE would stand out too much during a service like this, especially in a small town. I'm sure that there have been people that have no known connection to Haliey, Ron, Misty, or their families. If Ron can point these people out to Cobra so he can look at them people, there body language, expresstion, or if they are doing something out of place.
It is likely that Misty was told not to talk to LE. While people assume since she doesn't was to do the reinactment because she is guilty, when it could be that it is a result of LE's request she not talk with Cobra.
Great thoughts Daisy Faithfull, So you are saying he could be working in conjunction w/ LE in an undercover way all along. Hmmmm interesting.
Where this case gets so confusing is that Haleigh llived in the midst of approx 44 sexual predators, and yet in keeping it SIMPLE, most children that vanish do so at the hands of their parents or someone known to them. I think that is right, correct me if I am wrong.
We do have one double entendre here though, in that DS is a soon to possibly be RSO this June and Haleigh had even been to his house several times with either Misty or Mitsy and Ron. They were friends. Gadzooks, that sounds so ominous when it is written out like that!
Trino
03-28-2009, 06:11 AM
I think Cobra's a flashy Superman who thought he could quickly get an arrest, but things turned out to be more difficult than he imagined. IMO, however, he has a good idea who's involved, and I bet he kept one eye open during the prayer vigil.
Baznme
03-28-2009, 09:18 AM
Great thoughts Daisy Faithfull, So you are saying he could be working in conjunction w/ LE in an undercover way all along. Hmmmm interesting.
Where this case gets so confusing is that Haleigh llived in the midst of approx 44 sexual predators, and yet in keeping it SIMPLE, most children that vanish do so at the hands of their parents or someone known to them. I think that is right, correct me if I am wrong.
We do have one double entendre here though, in that DS is a soon to possibly be RSO this June and Haleigh had even been to his house several times with either Misty or Mitsy and Ron. They were friends. Gadzooks, that sounds so ominous when it is written out like that!
Not to mention DS shows up at the Hayleigh house with offers of donations. That made me suspicious as to why. Could it be it was a jesture to make himself better rather than for the cause. Sorry - it just struck me as extraordinary.
lakelandladi
03-28-2009, 09:33 AM
Not to mention DS shows up at the Hayleigh house with offers of donations. That made me suspicious as to why. Could it be it was a jesture to make himself better rather than for the cause. Sorry - it just struck me as extraordinary.
Jeramie (sp) says DS shows up. He overhears the name as DS is giving an interview to the orlando sentinel reporter. Which by the way I have yet to find an article in the OS. He does not call LE instead he calls Art Harris and Cobra. They then go to DS's house.
I just dont buy it. Why would they not call LE immediately and tell them that DS was at the center...why inform media before LE. Makes no sense to me. Something is just not right in Denmark.
CHICANA
03-28-2009, 10:10 AM
I think Cobra's a flashy Superman who thought he could quickly get an arrest, but things turned out to be more difficult than he imagined. IMO, however, he has a good idea who's involved, and I bet he kept one eye open during the prayer vigil.
IDK, but I think it's a smart tactic. By announcing his awesomeness and that he is going to solve this case quickly, I would think that at the very least it would make the guilty party extremely nervous. It might make them mess up or they might give info while trying to throw suspicion off themselves.
3dogmom
03-28-2009, 11:31 AM
IDK, but I think it's a smart tactic. By announcing his awesomeness and that he is going to solve this case quickly, I would think that at the very least it would make the guilty party extremely nervous. It might make them mess up or they might give info while trying to throw suspicion off themselves.
Unless the guilty party is the one working with him.
texasmommy39
03-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Who can agree the stink is coming from the Sheffield/Griffis camp now?
SeriouslySearching
03-28-2009, 11:44 AM
(Tapping my foot) OK...Big break! Where is it and how long do we have to wait?!
MeoW333
03-28-2009, 11:45 AM
I think this was a good oppurtunity provided by Cobra's lawyer friend as a publicity stunt for Cobra.. taking advantage of a case where a young girl is missing.
texasmommy39
03-28-2009, 11:45 AM
(Tapping my foot) OK...Big break! Where is it and how long do we have to wait?!
He messed that up.... KWIM :D
Ms Suzanne
03-28-2009, 11:48 AM
He messed that up.... KWIM :D
I think Cobra is on the right track.
texasmommy39
03-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Come on .....believing that this camp has no reasons to lie and impede this investigation yet? I honestly believe things would start a happening If we DID what we all are here to do without the curve balls. All their eyes are watching!!!!!!!!
SeriouslySearching
03-28-2009, 11:53 AM
I think Cobra is on the right track.On the right track to do what exactly? Find Haleigh or help KP dig up dirt on Ronald et al for a custody case? I don't see him doing either one effectively.
Ms Suzanne
03-28-2009, 12:16 PM
On the right track to do what exactly? Find Haleigh or help KP dig up dirt on Ronald et al for a custody case? I don't see him doing either one effectively.
To find Haleigh.He probably just needs to work with the police.
natsound
03-28-2009, 12:31 PM
Can we believe anything Cobra says? He's worked with KP in the past, and is it true that she's hired him as a PI to investigate this particular case? No wonder he has negative things to say about MC and RC. I find it extremely hard to believe that RC would marry MC to "keep his enemies close". That the biggest pile of carp I've ever heard.
And do we really believe that Jr. said the couch was bouncing? I don't buy that for a second. CS is up to no good.. no good at all.
radio
03-28-2009, 12:34 PM
Can we believe anything Cobra says? He's worked with KP in the past, and is it true that she's hired him as a PI to investigate this particular case? No wonder he has negative things to say about MC and RC. I find it extremely hard to believe that RC would marry MC to "keep his enemies close". That the biggest pile of carp I've ever heard.
And do we really believe that Jr. said the couch was bouncing? I don't buy that for a second. CS is up to no good.. no good at all.
KP has worked with Cobra in the past?? How so? Must have missed it.
natsound
03-28-2009, 12:40 PM
KP has worked with Cobra in the past?? How so? Must have missed it.
I'm gleaning this from post #378 in this thread.
magpie
03-28-2009, 12:43 PM
Great thoughts Daisy Faithfull, So you are saying he could be working in conjunction w/ LE in an undercover way all along. Hmmmm interesting.
Where this case gets so confusing is that Haleigh llived in the midst of approx 44 sexual predators, and yet in keeping it SIMPLE, most children that vanish do so at the hands of their parents or someone known to them. I think that is right, correct me if I am wrong.
We do have one double entendre here though, in that DS is a soon to possibly be RSO this June and Haleigh had even been to his house several times with either Misty or Mitsy and Ron. They were friends. Gadzooks, that sounds so ominous when it is written out like that!
Oh my, I need to buy a vowel please! :o
Need a hint on who is DS :confused: and also what is an RSO? TIA!
radio
03-28-2009, 12:48 PM
Kim Pacazio was "Cobra's" lawyer in family court with his wife in 2006 according to Broward County records.It seems like the only thing he's done is made public what LE might have been keeping close to thier breast,since they had already questioned WBG.Besides that and a bad mouth,he's only dug up rumor.I don't see where he's helped the case,except give people more to look up and with all we have and no concrete info,might just be a distraction.But,I think his quick departure after the interview speaks alot.
No. KP represented Cobra's wife. that fact along with the court doc was posted in the Rumor thread yesterday.
natsound
03-28-2009, 12:56 PM
No. KP represented Cobra's wife. that fact along with the court doc was posted in the Rumor thread yesterday.
Aha. So is it also fiction, then, that Cobra is working as KP's investigator now? Any inkling at all that they're in cahoots?
Meagain
03-28-2009, 12:57 PM
There are actually folks that believe Grandma lured Cobra to that area so he could be shot/killed. I'm serious.
SeriouslySearching
03-28-2009, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Magpie: Oh my, I need to buy a vowel please! :o
Need a hint on who is DS :confused: and also what is an RSO? TIA! RSO = Registered Sexual Offender ; SO = Sexual Offender ; POS = Piece of *****. DS is a man in the immediate area arrested recently, but has not gone to court to determine if he will become a RSO, a SO, or if he is simply a POS, imo (in my opinion). Hope that helped. ;)
SeriouslySearching
03-28-2009, 01:04 PM
Aha. So is it also fiction, then, that Cobra is working as KP's investigator now? Any inkling at all that they're in cahoots?It has been reported in an article that Cobra was brought in by KP and is working with KP on this case. The quote was supposedly from KP, but you would have to refer to the article which I do not have a link for at the moment. (It is probably on this thread somewhere.)
magpie
03-28-2009, 01:13 PM
RSO = Registered Sexual Offender ; SO = Sexual Offender ; POS = Piece of *****. DS is a man in the immediate area arrested recently, but has not gone to court to determine if he will become a RSO, a SO, or if he is simply a POS, imo (in my opinion). Hope that helped. ;)
Yes, thank you! I had forgotten about the man that was arrested, need to do more research on him though, I didn't realize he knew Ron and/or Misty.
atherella
03-28-2009, 01:22 PM
Hasn't Cobra left town as of yesterday, or am I mistaken?
Hard to keep up sometimes.
Salem
03-28-2009, 01:25 PM
There are actually folks that believe Grandma lured Cobra to that area so he could be shot/killed. I'm serious.
This is such nonsense, it boggles the mind. I am not directing this at you, Meagain, :)I'm just saying.... This rumor started because of something Cobra said on the phone while he and TN looked at that trailer. Posters are wondering why TN stood back - heck - I think she stood back to stay out of the way in case someone answered the door! I mean really...
Salem
nunzio
03-28-2009, 01:36 PM
This is such nonsense, it boggles the mind. I am not directing this at you, Meagain, :)I'm just saying.... This rumor started because of something Cobra said on the phone while he and TN looked at that trailer. Posters are wondering why TN stood back - heck - I think she stood back to stay out of the way in case someone answered the door! I mean really...
Salem
Stranger things have happened....
Trino
03-28-2009, 01:37 PM
Isn't just anything - any twist or turn - possible in this case? Honestly, every time I open a thread about H, it's another incredible happening. I'm still getting my breath.
radio
03-28-2009, 01:42 PM
Aha. So is it also fiction, then, that Cobra is working as KP's investigator now? Any inkling at all that they're in cahoots?
No idea. Too many battling rumors. *IF* KP the family court attorney has employed the PI ... one would first assume it is for purposes of family court - not criminal court. just sayin....
solveit
03-28-2009, 01:42 PM
Everybody needs to just take a deep breath and wait. It is impossible to try to figure out exactly what is going on in Satsuma. I too have my theory about what happened and why it happened. If everyone posted all of their theories on this site it would just lead to mass confusion. The motives and the connections of the people searching for Haleigh are not near as important as the search itself. Remember that no one is perfect. We all make mistakes even when we have the best intentions in our hearts. I just keep focused on the ultimate goal here. Someone needs to find Haleigh and make those responsible for her disappearance face justice.
stilettos
03-28-2009, 01:43 PM
There are actually folks that believe Grandma lured Cobra to that area so he could be shot/killed. I'm serious.
I am not sure exactly what she was up to. The fact that she called the PI working with the attorney for the other side in a custody case is just way hinky on my meter. Something strange was going on there...I just don't know yet what it is.
nunzio
03-28-2009, 01:46 PM
Has anyone seen the TV program "Lie To Me"? It should be required viewing for people interested in high profile cases like this. I remember the tactics used in that show being used back in the 70's. Of course not with the safistication that is in the show.
Everyone should keep as much as an open mind as possible. Anything can be true, as anything can be false. It seems like many have taken an adamant stance when it comes to one side of the other. I know I have. To be honest I'd rather be sitting 1,500 miles away discussing this case.
radio
03-28-2009, 01:48 PM
I can not find any valid info that Cobra was packed up and thrown out of town. Anyone?
nunzio
03-28-2009, 01:53 PM
I can not find any valid info that Cobra was packed up and thrown out of town. Anyone?
Like in.....be out of town by sunset or meet me in the street in the center of town?
atherella
03-28-2009, 01:53 PM
Has anyone seen the TV program "Lie To Me"? It should be required viewing for people interested in high profile cases like this. I remember the tactics used in that show being used back in the 70's. Of course not with the safistication that is in the show.
Everyone should keep as much as an open mind as possible. Anything can be true, as anything can be false. It seems like many have taken an adamant stance when it comes to one side of the other. I know I have. To be honest I'd rather be sitting 1,500 miles away discussing this case.
Lie to Me is a wonderful show. Interesting fact about the show -- the main character is based off a real life psychiatrist Dr. Paul Ekman, who is a pioneer in the study of emotions & their relation to facial expressions. (He fascinates me).
You can read about him here:
http://www.paulekman.com/
(ETA - is it ok to use the doctors full name and the website link? If not, sorry and please remove!)
nunzio
03-28-2009, 01:57 PM
If all this was true, don't you think we'd be reading about Cobra getting picked up by LE?
tehcloser
03-28-2009, 01:57 PM
Yes...but we can't discuss that up here....lol
OK...I just responded to a post by tmommy...and now it's gone...lmao.
radio
03-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Like in.....be out of town by sunset or meet me in the street in the center of town?
Yeah.
We were told a bunch of carp!!
nunzio
03-28-2009, 02:01 PM
Yes...but we can't discuss that up here....lol
OK...I just responded to a post by tmommy...and now it's gone...lmao.
I need a roster of rules. Ok to say this here, but you better not say it there. I'm not smart enough to remember all those.
Quiche
03-28-2009, 02:03 PM
I love "Lie to Me"-- fascinating stuff, the micro-expressions especially. Wonder if Cobra is up to snuff on that stuff...if he is, the man must be exhausted! imo
texasmommy39
03-28-2009, 02:04 PM
(Tapping my foot) OK...Big break! Where is it and how long do we have to wait?!
The :liar: are the big BREAK.......
Custody issues have nothing to do with finding, taking, returning where found evidence. Not working with the agencies involved is a disservice to the Families either way.
solveit
03-28-2009, 02:06 PM
The comment I made here has disappeared in another thread. Why?
The ultimate goal is to find Haleigh and make those responsible face justice. That is all I'm trying to say.
tehcloser
03-28-2009, 02:06 PM
I need a roster of rules. Ok to say this here, but you better not say it there. I'm not smart enough to remember all those.
Facts...upstairs
Rumors....downstairs
Are you free?????????????????????????
Sorry had a bbc moment there. :D
crazyover88
03-28-2009, 02:23 PM
Does any one know if the rumor room will open back up?
Tom'sGirl
03-28-2009, 02:24 PM
Does any one know if the rumor room will open back up?
No, not today!
Who can agree the stink is coming from the Sheffield/Griffis camp now?
What stink is that exactly?
I don't understand.
TIA
raisincharlie
03-28-2009, 04:15 PM
I am not sure exactly what she was up to. The fact that she called the PI working with the attorney for the other side in a custody case is just way hinky on my meter. Something strange was going on there...I just don't know yet what it is.
Perhaps it is possible that TN called Cobra for the simple fact that he is there looking for Haleigh rather than working for the "other side" on a custody case.
It has been well reported that Cobra's funds have come from an unnamed source in Miami.
stilettos
03-28-2009, 04:17 PM
Perhaps it is possible that TN called Cobra for the simple fact that he is there looking for Haleigh rather than working for the "other side" on a custody case.
It has been well reported that Cobra's funds have come from an unnamed source in Miami.
Could be. There is the pesky association of the attorney in question representing his wife??? IDK, we have heard that he was working with the attorney. At this point I question everything that is being said. You could be right, could be wrong. Still looks WAY hinky on tape and something was up.
KSH352
03-28-2009, 04:25 PM
I can not find any valid info that Cobra was packed up and thrown out of town. Anyone?
He was not.
raisincharlie
03-28-2009, 04:26 PM
Could be. There is the pesky association of the attorney in question representing his wife??? IDK, we have heard that he was working with the attorney. At this point I question everything that is being said. You could be right, could be wrong. Still looks WAY hinky on tape and something was up.
Cobra does have a track record independent of that pesky association. It is also possible that pesky association has given him direct access to tips that have been reported and as yet unchecked. As noted above, Cobra's funds to search for Haleigh have been provided by a donor in Miami. If the man is trying to find Haleigh, it's all good.
I have yet to get the romp in the woods video to work for me so therefore I can make no real comment on it. I have read the article but I suspect it does not translate as well as the video.
KSH352
03-28-2009, 04:26 PM
Some said on WS that Chrystal was paid 20,000 by GR.
Please watch that show tonight!
Brwnigirl
03-28-2009, 04:30 PM
Lie to Me is a wonderful show. Interesting fact about the show -- the main character is based off a real life psychiatrist Dr. Paul Ekman, who is a pioneer in the study of emotions & their relation to facial expressions. (He fascinates me).
You can read about him here:
http://www.paulekman.com/
(ETA - is it ok to use the doctors full name and the website link? If not, sorry and please remove!)
Can anyone tell me is this a program aired regularly,and on what channel?
stilettos
03-28-2009, 04:33 PM
Some said on WS that Chrystal was paid 20,000 by GR.
Please watch that show tonight!
Do we have a link?
KSH352
03-28-2009, 04:36 PM
Do we have a link?
I think you have to watch it on Foxnews tonight. The station that is like CNN. It hasn't aired yet.
KSH352
03-28-2009, 04:40 PM
Here is a link to his web site but you have to watch the show first I think. It has not aired.
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/
nomoresorrow
03-28-2009, 04:41 PM
(Bold Me)
Some said on WS that Chrystal was paid 20,000 by GR.
Please watch that show tonight!
Are there "facts" to back that up and where would I find those? TIA (facts re: $20,000.00 paid to CS by GR)
MOO
kolokolo
03-28-2009, 04:49 PM
Misty calls RC to get away from Cobra or she will leave? I take that to mean she doesnt trust Cobra!
TN calls Cobra to help her checkout an area that apparently she had been searching by herself for four hours. Wish we could see the complete video, maybe it would explain more why TN ran off and left Cobra in the woods. My point is, TN appears to trust Cobra enough to call him for help yet Misty doesnt. WHY?
Did TN want real help from Cobra, or was she trying to keep him occupied for some other reason? Id like to think she tried to occupy Cobra so someone else could go and visit a live Haleigh somewhere. She did tell Cobra she was searching by "herself" for four hours!
Im wondering if the Cummings Family see Cobra getting close to the real story about lil Haleigh disappearance!
tfrohning
03-28-2009, 04:57 PM
Misty calls RC to get away from Cobra or she will leave? I take that to mean she doesnt trust Cobra!
TN calls Cobra to help her checkout an area that apparently she had been searching by herself for four hours. Wish we could see the complete video, maybe it would explain more why TN ran off and left Cobra in the woods. My point is, TN appears to trust Cobra enough to call him for help yet Misty doesnt. WHY?
Did TN want real help from Cobra, or was she trying to keep him occupied for some other reason? Id like to think she tried to occupy Cobra so someone else could go and visit a live Haleigh somewhere. She did tell Cobra she was searching by "herself" for four hours!
Im wondering if the Cummings Family see Cobra getting close to the real story about lil Haleigh disappearance! bold that what I think
atherella
03-28-2009, 05:00 PM
Can anyone tell me is this a program aired regularly,and on what channel?
Lie to Me will be on your local Fox channel. It is on Wednesday night's at 8 pm (EST). The next episode is 4/1 at 8pm. (Sometimes episodes get preempted by American Idol).
If you go to the Fox website, I believe you can watch full episodes of the past shows. Enjoy! :)
Busylady
03-28-2009, 05:09 PM
We do not know the chain of events. The TN search was done at least a couple weeks ago Art reported on it awhile back, but then just put the video up a few days ago. In addition it would be helfpul if we saw the entire video of the hour TN was with Cobra and not just 10 minutes of it. Not sure what night the vigil was and when Cobra and Ron talked. Also Cobra is not working with LE and maybe LE told Misty to not do the re enactment and such with Cobra.
Alot of strange stuff going on and the way it is being reported so who really knows.
Misty calls RC to get away from Cobra or she will leave? I take that to mean she doesnt trust Cobra!
TN calls Cobra to help her checkout an area that apparently she had been searching by herself for four hours. Wish we could see the complete video, maybe it would explain more why TN ran off and left Cobra in the woods. My point is, TN appears to trust Cobra enough to call him for help yet Misty doesnt. WHY?
Did TN want real help from Cobra, or was she trying to keep him occupied for some other reason? Id like to think she tried to occupy Cobra so someone else could go and visit a live Haleigh somewhere. She did tell Cobra she was searching by "herself" for four hours!
Im wondering if the Cummings Family see Cobra getting close to the real story about lil Haleigh disappearance!
Quiche
03-28-2009, 05:15 PM
It's eerily quiet today isn't it?
My feeling about Cobra's work in this case is that he's stirring the pot.
I found the prayer vigil footage with the Cummings' clan interesting. Did you catch the look on Misty's face when he was talking about getting to the bottom of things? Looked like she's been through the wringer-- Ron, on the other hand looked somewhat fresh. mo
I hope he stays in the area, jmo
tfrohning
03-28-2009, 05:25 PM
This is about Cobra thread, no news about him today does anybody know, what about the search was it called off?
MADJGNLAW
03-28-2009, 05:27 PM
Do we have a link?
I read this article that speculates that Crystal was paid, but it doesn't mention how much.
Attorneys contest 'man in black' story in Haleigh Cummings case
March 28, 2009
Kimball & Snider say that they have heard speculation that Crystal received "a substantial amount of money" from Geraldo at Large, the show for which Craig Rivera conducted the interview.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=3
MADJGNLAW
03-28-2009, 05:29 PM
This is about Cobra thread, no news about him today does anybody know, what about the search was it called off?
Yes it was. :(
Weekend Search Cancelled
VIDEO: http://www.cbs47.com/mediacenter/loc...com&navCatId=5
Ms Suzanne
03-28-2009, 05:42 PM
May I please ask if some one knows this?Was it TN who had checked a certain area?where?Was that the same area the sheet with rust and blood was found?I find that interesting.Wasn't it her idea also to check the area of the dumpster where the cadaver dogs hit?
alwaysonmymind
03-28-2009, 05:46 PM
Illegal activity in the woods,,,, and LE knows about it? What is it and why is it still going on???
lakelandladi
03-28-2009, 05:51 PM
I dont believe it was TN that found anything. I believe KP said that her investigators found something in an area that LE had not searched. Cobra said the area TN took him to had been searched by LE and Cobra said that the ex-marine told him that the property and the lake had been searched.
I believe either LE asked the volunteer K-9 unit to come in or they offered their help to LE. I dont believe it was TN or any family member that requested that K-9 group to do a search.
MADJGNLAW
03-28-2009, 05:58 PM
Illegal activity in the woods,,,, and LE knows about it? What is it and why is it still going on???
I read about it this morning and still tapping my fingers here waiting to hear something and nothing.
I wonder what the other illegal activity is myself. No update, but here is the link that it was stated.
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx
Ms Suzanne
03-28-2009, 06:03 PM
I dont believe it was TN that found anything. I believe KP said that her investigators found something in an area that LE had not searched. Cobra said the area TN took him to had been searched by LE and Cobra said that the ex-marine told him that the property and the lake had been searched.
I believe either LE asked the volunteer K-9 unit to come in or they offered their help to LE. I dont believe it was TN or any family member that requested that K-9 group to do a search.
Ok,Thank you.Do you know the area KP said her investigators searched?
lakelandladi
03-28-2009, 06:08 PM
Ok,Thank you.Do you know the area KP said her investigators searched?
I have never seen nor heard anything mentioned that KP said where that search took place. Sorry.
lakelandladi
03-28-2009, 06:10 PM
I was thinking that the illegal activity may be poaching and illegal trapping, which goes on in most rural areas. I would think it may even be worse now with the hard economic times.
mck16
03-28-2009, 06:10 PM
This is about Cobra thread, no news about him today does anybody know, what about the search was it called off?
Seems to me there hasn't been anything new to report from Cobra at all. They seem to be keeping the two stories about him alive by publishing them over and over. The vigil news is old and so is the TN search in the woods. Nothing new -- that can be confirmed. I am just waiting for something "big" from him. IMO
mck16
03-28-2009, 06:11 PM
I was thinking that the illegal activity may be poaching and illegal trapping, which goes on in most rural areas. I would think it may even be worse now with the hard economic times.
I was thinking the same and maybe even LE has some kind of stake out going on to stop the poachers.
scandi
03-28-2009, 06:12 PM
Illegal activity in the woods,,,, and LE knows about it? What is it and why is it still going on???
Hi, from what I've read meth is manufactured in the woods and is an ongoing enterprise for many. Those people are probably hard to catch. I don't know how dense the woods are or what kind of an area we are talking about. I think it is quite an area tho. xox
Ms Suzanne
03-28-2009, 06:13 PM
I have never seen nor heard anything mentioned that KP said where that search took place. Sorry.
Ok,Thank you.
cajun
03-28-2009, 06:15 PM
"Keep your enemies close", interesting. Actually Ron is smarter than I gave him credit for!!! Why aren't they checking cell phone records on WBG and Misty??? Can't LE bring both in on Suspicion, something....???
Suspicion of what? making a couch bounce? :D Sorry, the devil me do it. :D
mck16
03-28-2009, 06:29 PM
"Keep your enemies close", interesting. Actually Ron is smarter than I gave him credit for!!! Why aren't they checking cell phone records on WBG and Misty??? Can't LE bring both in on Suspicion, something....???
Has it been confirmed that they are not checking cell phone records? I certainly hope they have checked everyone's. IMO
KSH352
03-28-2009, 06:30 PM
Lie to Me will be on your local Fox channel. It is on Wednesday night's at 8 pm (EST). The next episode is 4/1 at 8pm. (Sometimes episodes get preempted by American Idol).
If you go to the Fox website, I believe you can watch full episodes of the past shows. Enjoy! :)
is that show any good? Is it real situations??
KSH352
03-28-2009, 06:32 PM
I read about it this morning and still tapping my fingers here waiting to hear something and nothing.
I wonder what the other illegal activity is myself. No update, but here is the link that it was stated.
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx
I know they could not and did not search today. Very frustrating.
mck16
03-28-2009, 06:33 PM
Have threads ever been closed like this before? And if so how long are they normally closed? TIA
Ms Suzanne
03-28-2009, 06:33 PM
I have never seen nor heard anything mentioned that KP said where that search took place. Sorry.
Ok,Thank you.If any one finds out can you please let me know.I was just wondering if the area they found something was towards the Palatka area.
Theonly1
03-28-2009, 06:38 PM
I dont believe it was TN that found anything. I believe KP said that her investigators found something in an area that LE had not searched. Cobra said the area TN took him to had been searched by LE and Cobra said that the ex-marine told him that the property and the lake had been searched.
I believe either LE asked the volunteer K-9 unit to come in or they offered their help to LE. I dont believe it was TN or any family member that requested that K-9 group to do a search.
We've learned from other cases that just because someone claims an area "has been searched" does not mean it could not stand another look-see. Sometimes LE doesn't "search" well enough, and then sometimes even when searching well they miss things.
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