View Full Version : 2009.03.19 Nancy Grace
MADJGNLAW
03-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Nancy Grace tonight at 8 & 10 p.m. ET.
Mar. 19, 2009
Tonight: Haleigh's grandmother speaks out about the abuse allegations towards her son, in the Haleigh Cummings case. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
Tom'sGirl
03-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Thread will open prior to show time.
It's open and I don't have tv tonight can someone give details? TIA
KaylynnCouture
03-19-2009, 08:02 PM
Nancy Grace is showing the abuse photos tonight, so for those of you who couldn't view them earlier online..they're on Nancy Grace now.
WillenFan21
03-19-2009, 08:04 PM
Nancy Grace is going off on the grandmother tonight. I have a feeling because now that there is an actual investigation then they must have enough evidence for both the police and DCF to be investigating.
KaylynnCouture
03-19-2009, 08:09 PM
Ronald: "This is absolutely and uderly ridiculous. It takes the focus off of my five year old daughter and onto a custody battle"
KaylynnCouture
03-19-2009, 08:11 PM
They have the attorney on now (Kim P.) who is commenting on the abuse photos.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 08:11 PM
oh boy NG is not happy with CS's attorney! Buckle up!
yosande
03-19-2009, 08:12 PM
I keep hitting the refresh button but no new posts.
I don't have cable. Please oh please let us know what's going on. :)
Okay I"m gonna go kick son off tv...bbl
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:12 PM
Wow...the injuries were reportedly documented by the school as a result of a fall from the monkey bars? Wonder if this is true.
(ETA: At least the cut on the nose was documented, don't know if all injuries were recorded. Attorney alleges that she appeared to have injuries greater than just the cut later in the week)
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Nancy showing photo of Haleigh with the black eye.
Nov 6th 2008 incident,She's got the school report written saying cut nose at playground,falling off the monkey bars.
She's questioning Kim about what she said it being abuse.Kim is talking about the er visit and Nancy said her stomache was because of ecoli,that spelling is wrong,I'll edit it later.Kim said the injuries were worse.
I know bruises come up to skin later,especially around face.
Quiche
03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Nancy says monkey bars are responsible for the nose injury per school doc 11/6/08
Ms Suzanne
03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Ronald: "This is absolutely and uderly ridiculous. It takes the focus off of my five year old daughter and onto a custody battle"
So did his wedding.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
I keep hitting the refresh button but no new posts.
I don't have cable. Please oh please let us know what's going on. :)
NG just challenged CS's attorney about the photo with the scrapes on Haleigh's nose, saying she had the school report and it happened at school. Attorney said but she had "more" injuries on the 16 (when CS got her) than is on the school report on the 6h. But NG wasn't havin' it.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Attorney says that Haleigh was in the hospital a week later with a stomach virus, Nancy says "Well, but it turned out to be e coli. That is hardly evidence of abuse"
Indiana at Heart
03-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Nancy showing photo of Haleigh with the black eye.
Nov 6th 2008 incident,She's got the school report written saying cut nose at playground,falling off the monkey bars.
She's questioning Kim about what she said it being abuse.Kim is talking about the er visit and Nancy said her stomache was because of ecoli,that spelling is wrong,I'll edit it later.
and on the ER slip posted in left corner says Nov 6th
PomMom12
03-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Who or what has put a burr in NGs bonnet????
Blackwatch
03-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Wow...the injuries were reportedly documented by the school as a result of a fall from the monkey bars? Wonder if this is true.
(ETA: At least the cut on the nose was documented, don't know if all injuries were recorded. Attorney alleges that she appeared to have injuries greater than just the cut later in the week)
Nancy also held up the "report" from the school and asked if the nurse and teachers were in on it too, a cover up, I guess. But I want to say THIS:
I worked for a school and YES, they cover up and they make stuff up and they LIE. Some of them should have been arrested and a friend of mine who also worked where I did ended up calling the authorities on them. It was BAD and I have no reason to doubt that "stuff" goes on in other schools also.
My opinion only
Quiche
03-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Ecoli is awful, would that compromise Haleigh's healing process I wonder?
Inana
03-19-2009, 08:19 PM
What can't Nancy figure out here? Why is she so snide? Didn't she read anything about this case?
I'm almost embarassed for her, acting so ugly when she can't see Haleigh's two separate injuries.
WillenFan21
03-19-2009, 08:20 PM
I can see where the laywer is coming from but I see Nancy's point.
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Nancy talking to Kim again,Nancy is very disturbed,she sees photos and school report.She had cat scan.
Kim said the er visit six days later injuries are worse.Nancy says in photos she's already getting a black eye.Hospital did not report the incident.Nancy talking to art.He says he wants to know and found relative of Haleigh,that would be Connie and she took pics,that's Johnny's wife,StepMom of Crystal.Photo taken on Nov 16th.School says a cut on the nose and documentation said school did not report to DCF.In Florida it is mandatory for ER and school to report abuse.They didn't report this as child abuse.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Okay, Nancy is back;) (I'll try to be as accurate as possible for those without cable)
Crystal Sheffield's lawyer is on again, too. Nancy said she is disturbed by the allegations, and that the photos seem to go with the school report. Attorney says the injuries were worse, and that Haleigh had a CAT scan done that day.
Nov 6- school nurse reports fall/cut
6 days later, Ha was in the emergency room with black eye, lacerations, etc. The person that took her to the hospital (Ron?) apparently told her that the fall happened three days ago (not 6) and that those injuries were a result of that. Attorney says that timeline doesn't fit.
Nancy argues that the black eye is stating to surface in the photo already-
(a brief aside, my niece was jumping up and down yelling War Eagle during a football game and fell, broke her nose on the table, and cut her head. Her black eyes took a day or two to show up fully. Not to mention the child just lost her two baby teeh coincidentally, so she looked a fright! lol)
Attorney says that picture was taken on the 16th, and that photo was taken 10 days later. Attorney seems to imply that Haleigh's injuries should have been cleared up by then
(for the record, my nieces black eyes, etc took over a week to really go away)
Quiche
03-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Attorney is sure stuck on dates of Haleigh's healing up-- I don't think she's krect
RhythmicSun
03-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Who or what has put a burr in NGs bonnet????
LOL it's not anything new! (and I like NG for the most part)
WillenFan21
03-19-2009, 08:21 PM
What can't Nancy figure out here? Why is she so snide? Didn't she read anything about this case?
Yeah usually I like Nancy but what this lawyer is saying is that the injurys got worse. Thats what she is trying to say.
Indiana at Heart
03-19-2009, 08:21 PM
I can see where the laywer is coming from but I see Nancy's point.
Me too
This cse is so hard
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:22 PM
Lawyers told Ronald not to speak,that's why he's not on Nancy Grace.Next the photo of Jr.I would have been up under the jail with my three boys and bruises,they beat each other and were always climbing trees.LOL It was worse when they were teens.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:23 PM
I don't really know what to make of any of this. I can see both points. If it were my child. I think I would be suspicious, but knowing what I know about my niece and nephew, and their accident prone selves...who knows?
Indiana at Heart
03-19-2009, 08:23 PM
Lawyers told Ronald not to speak,that's why he's not on Nancy Grace.Next the photo of Jr.
Thats a good thing.:clap:
keaska
03-19-2009, 08:25 PM
Nancy also held up the "report" from the school and asked if the nurse and teachers were in on it too, a cover up, I guess. But I want to say THIS:
I worked for a school and YES, they cover up and they make stuff up and they LIE. Some of them should have been arrested and a friend of mine who also worked where I did ended up calling the authorities on them. It was BAD and I have no reason to doubt that "stuff" goes on in other schools also.
My opinion only
THANK YOU!
I'm infuriated with the comments that obviously the school did not suspect abuse because they are required by law to report it.
The school may not have paid attention. OR the nurse just did not report it.. either way they would NOW say, they did not suspect it since they would be in trouble if they admitted they suspected it and didn't report it.
grrrr
I used to LOVE NG but the past two nights she has raised my bloodpressure. I need to write her and vent it out.
PomMom12
03-19-2009, 08:25 PM
Nancy doesn't want to be hard on Kim Picazio??? Could have fooled me...
octobermoon
03-19-2009, 08:26 PM
Yeah usually I like Nancy but what this lawyer is saying is that the injurys got worse. Thats what she is trying to say.
did she mean the injuries looked worse or that there were more injuries?
Sorry I am confused here.
TIA
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:26 PM
Back to Kim,Nancy says she doesn't want to be hard on her,she knows it's her duty was a lawyer to speak for client.Nancy said they may have done catscan because of the fall.Nancy called school and they never saw signs of abuse.Kim says the injuries looked worse.Six days later with a fall to face,it will look worse as it scabs and bruises come up,it's a wonder her nose wasn't broke.
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Only problem with part of that is the note from the ER says injury occurred 11/6. Also in his original article it says the photos were taken on 11/12 when Crystal took Haleigh by her dads and Connie took the picture.
Okay, Nancy is back;) (I'll try to be as accurate as possible for those without cable)
Crystal Sheffield's lawyer is on again, too. Nancy said she is disturbed by the allegations, and that the photos seem to go with the school report. Attorney says the injuries were worse, and that Haleigh had a CAT scan done that day.
Nov 6- school nurse reports fall/cut
6 days later, Ha was in the emergency room with black eye, lacerations, etc. The person that took her to the hospital (Ron?) apparently told her that the fall happened three days ago (not 6) and that those injuries were a result of that. Attorney says that timeline doesn't fit.
Nancy argues that the black eye is stating to surface in the photo already-
(a brief aside, my niece was jumping up and down yelling War Eagle during a football game and fell, broke her nose on the table, and cut her head. Her black eyes took a day or two to show up fully. Not to mention the child just lost her two baby teeh coincidentally, so she looked a fright! lol)
Attorney says that picture was taken on the 16th, and that photo was taken 10 days later. Attorney seems to imply that Haleigh's injuries should have been cleared up by then
(for the record, my nieces black eyes, etc took over a week to really go away)
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:27 PM
NG back- talking to CS attorney.
Nancy says "I don't want to be hard on you, Kim"
Nancy tries to clarify the timeline, says Attorney says the injuries worsened 12 days later, and some of the injuries weren't reported. The ER doctor thought the injuries were so serious that they ran a CAT scan. Nancy said that her staff contacted the school principle and staff who said they never saw signs of physical abuse.
Attorney says that Haleigh was taken to the hospital FOR the fall off the monkey bars, and that the lacerations, etc, weren't there then (Did I hear that right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong) and that the second time, there were more injuries.
Nancy addresses brusies on RC's leg (does she mean JR?)
WillenFan21
03-19-2009, 08:27 PM
I love Nancy Grace just as much as the next person but she's getting on my nerves with this. What can't she comprehend? Kim is saying that Haleighs injurys worsened and that she ANOTHER MARK on her face that was NOT THERE when Haleigh fell. I just don't understand what Nancy can't get out of this.
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Nancy talking to Kim again,Nancy is very disturbed,she sees photos and school report.She had cat scan.
Kim said the er visit six days later injuries are worse.Nancy says in photos she's already getting a black eye.Hospital did not report the incident.Nancy talking to art.He says he wants to know and found relative of Haleigh,that would be Connie and she took pics,that's Johnny's wife,StepMom of Crystal.Photo taken on Nov 16th.School says a cut on the nose and documentation said school did not report to DCF.In Florida it is mandatory for ER and school to report abuse.They didn't report this as child abuse.
bolded by me...........
adding school incident was just a scratch on nose.........Nov 6th (ER)
By the time she went to ER again, more facial scratches, black eye(s)
on Nov 12 and doctor felt he had to run a cat scan!
Photo taken on Nov 16th...........relative RN
Bruises on JR legs
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Who or what has put a burr in NGs bonnet????
IMO - ratings.
Geraldo has shown definite bias toward Haleigh's mother. So now, Nancy is championing Haleigh's father. Foxx vs CNN. I think its' unbelievably callous - this is the life of a missing child. I stopped watching Geraldo a while ago and I took Nancy off my DVR on Monday.
(But I'm a hypocrite, because I rely on you guys to tell us what they say. :blushing:)
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Only problem with part of that is the note from the ER says injury occurred 11/6. Also in his original article it says the photos were taken on 11/12 when Crystal took Haleigh by her dads and Connie took the picture.
Only problem with what? I think I'm confused :confused:
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Sometimes either NG is dumb to make more sensationalism or so smart she's stupid...........IMO
Ms Suzanne
03-19-2009, 08:30 PM
I believe the real abuse they need to investigate is any illegal substances apparantly witnesses said they were taking and see if misty or ron especially misty is fit to be a parent.
mysteriew
03-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Usually I have to rely on someone's else to relay what is happening on NG. But tonight I actually get to watch it!
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Honestly I bruise so easily I can see if I fell off the monkey bars it not looking so bad and then 6 days later it looking horrible. I had a black eye once from ungentle dental work, I kid you not.
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Eleanor- looks like normal punishment. :eek:
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
With the lawyer saying Ron told the ER the fall happened 3 days earlier instead of 6 days earlier - the ER clearly has the correct date of the fall written in the corner 11/6 so Ron told the correct date of the ER.
Only problem with what? I think I'm confused :confused:
keaska
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Only problem with part of that is the note from the ER says injury occurred 11/6. Also in his original article it says the photos were taken on 11/12 when Crystal took Haleigh by her dads and Connie took the picture.
The injury is documented at school on 11/6. Ronald did not take haleigh to the ER until 11/12 on the same day that Crystal was coming to pick up the kids for her weekend. He told the doctors that the injury happened at school three days ago.
The problem with that, is that it looks like Ron only took her to the ER to have a documentation for her "injury" because Crystal was coming. It also proves that Ronald will dispute facts to make himself look like a better father since he did not report the injury to the ER for a full week after the fall. IMHO
nnglas
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Normal punishment? I wasn't aware that you were allowed to bruise your kid when punishing them.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Back from commercial:)
Eleanor Dixon (specializes in child abuse/photos) says that they are clearly linear marks that could ahve been made by a belt/switch, but that they don't look that bad, looks like "normal punishment" (uhhh...)
Per a talking head, RC said he's a strict disciplinarian, and that was a normal course of events. TH Says one time Haleigh said that "daddy hit JR with a stick" when asked how bruises got on his leg.
seekjustice
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Eleanor- looks like normal punishment. :eek:
Discipline that leaves a bruise on a BABY'S leg is NOT normal
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
THANK YOU!
I'm infuriated with the comments that obviously the school did not suspect abuse because they are required by law to report it.
The school may not have paid attention. OR the nurse just did not report it.. either way they would NOW say, they did not suspect it since they would be in trouble if they admitted they suspected it and didn't report it.
grrrr
I used to LOVE NG but the past two nights she has raised my bloodpressure. I need to write her and vent it out.
Is she still calling Haleigh's mother the "bio mom" ? I emailed her last night and asked her not to. I think she sounds mean and petty when she does that. I wonder how she'd like to be called her twin's "bio mom".
Well, I had no idea you could hit your child and leave bruises and no one cares. Who knew! A lot kids will be smacked tonight.
kikid
03-19-2009, 08:34 PM
I know bruises come up to skin later,especially around face.
that's true, but not a week later. Usually a day or so, then they darken and linger for a few days. I'd expect they'd be almost gone or just a light yellowish streak after a week.
My daughter fell and buster her head on the bedside table about a week or so ago, she had a large bump across her forehead, and a large red bump beside her nose on cheek - two days later she had a huge black eye, and a faint bruise on forehead - by day five the black eye was a very small dot beside her nose of light yellow with a tinge of grey.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Eleanor- looks like normal punishment. :eek:
Oh, I know, RIGHT? I was like...uhh......
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Normal punishment? I wasn't aware that you were allowed to bruise your kid when punishing them.
Where I live----that's a crime...
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Specialists on abused children has seen photos,sees linear marks, but don't look that bad,maybe normal punishment.Art asked Ronald and he said he's a strict disciplinarian.Crystal asked how he got bruises and Jr said Daddy hit him with a stick.Mike said the first visit was when it happened,then six days later the catscan and the Nov 16th it was lightening up.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:35 PM
With the lawyer saying Ron told the ER the fall happened 3 days earlier instead of 6 days earlier - the ER clearly has the correct date of the fall written in the corner 11/6 so Ron told the correct date of the ER.
Oh, yes. Gotcha- thanks:)
Indiana at Heart
03-19-2009, 08:35 PM
With the lawyer saying Ron told the ER the fall happened 3 days earlier instead of 6 days earlier - the ER clearly has the correct date of the fall written in the corner 11/6 so Ron told the correct date of the ER.
thats right it's in the left hand corner
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Maybe Misty is the abuser and not Ron.........????? IMO
keaska
03-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Eleanor- looks like normal punishment. :eek:
BRUISING???
There are clearly finger shaped bruises on the arms. My kids bump and bruise but have NEVER had finger shaped bruises on their arm. NEVER.
And I can't imagine that being hit with a stick by your father for punishment is normal.
Am I being Punk'd?
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:36 PM
If they are trying to say Ron went to the ER on the 6th and then again on the 12th, why only record put on website of the visit on the 12th. In the originally interviews Crystal and family said he did not take her to the DR originally, so now they are saying he took her twice? I am confused I think.
Also originally they said the picture was taken the 12th by Crystals mom the RN now they change it to the 16th.
Zephyr
03-19-2009, 08:36 PM
What???!!! Lacerations to the face is appropriate punishment??? Oh, Nancy! Wake up and get a clue!
kidz110
03-19-2009, 08:36 PM
Is she still calling Haleigh's mother the "bio mom" ? I emailed her last night and asked her not to. I think she sounds mean and petty when she does that. I wonder how she'd like to be called her twin's "bio mom".
I e-mailed her twice--then I stopped watching.
WillenFan21
03-19-2009, 08:36 PM
did she mean the injuries looked worse or that there were more injuries?
Sorry I am confused here.
TIA
From what I got out of what Crystal's lawyer said Haleigh's injuries got worse. She even mentioned that there was a laceration on Haleighs face that was NOT there/from when Haleigh fell. Sounds to me like she's not refering to the fall she's refering to the fact that the injuries got worse and the fact that there was a different laceration on Haleighs from the one that was there when she fell. I understand why it is the lawyer is looking into this. JMHO on this.
bisaillon
03-19-2009, 08:36 PM
Why is NG attacking this lawyer and CS???? Does she know stuff we don't?
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Is she still calling Haleigh's mother the "bio mom" ? I emailed her last night and asked her not to. I think she sounds mean and petty when she does that. I wonder how she'd like to be called her twin's "bio mom".
Funny, I never thought about that...but I see your point. I hope it's just for clarification, but still. I'd be offended if I were CS:(
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
What I am saying is the note from the dr from the ER visit 11/12 clearly has written in the corner 11/6 for injury date - so Ronald did not lie to ER about date accident happened.
The injury is documented at school on 11/6. Ronald did not take haleigh to the ER until 11/12 on the same day that Crystal was coming to pick up the kids for her weekend. He told the doctors that the injury happened at school three days ago.
The problem with that, is that it looks like Ron only took her to the ER to have a documentation for her "injury" because Crystal was coming. It also proves that Ronald will dispute facts to make himself look like a better father since he did not report the injury to the ER for a full week after the fall. IMHO
seekjustice
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Geez I don't know about abuse regarding Haleigh's picture, but clearly those are "spanking" marks on Jr. and judging from the size of his leg he is just a baby, and that makes me sad.
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
What???!!! Lacerations to the face is appropriate punishment??? Oh, Nancy! Wake up and get a clue!
I think it was the talking head, and not Nancy...I could be mistaken
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Nancy says these allegations are making LE look back to family again,instead of outside source of what happened to Haleigh.Mark says LE is putting resources back on this and it's character assasination.Mark says this is horrible.Dr Perper says these look like they could be from monkey bars,from a fall.Some kind of blow can't be excluded.He said bruises can increase and change color.
Indiana at Heart
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Maybe Misty is the abuser and not Ron.........????? IMO
Hmmmmm :eek: u might be on to something there who knows with this cse
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
stick = switch
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:38 PM
someone felt something was wrong and took so many pix of both children! (hink)
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 08:39 PM
BRUISING???
There are clearly finger shaped bruises on the arms. My kids bump and bruise but have NEVER had finger shaped bruises on their arm. NEVER.
And I can't imagine that being hit with a stick by your father for punishment is normal.
Am I being Punk'd?
No, Punkn. Nancy did go on to say very sternly *While I don't advocate beating a child with a stick, do these photos show abuse?*
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:39 PM
The psychiatrist saw custody files says this doesn't look like abuse.Father would view children as unconditionally bad and it would be acted out in some way.
seekjustice
03-19-2009, 08:39 PM
someone felt something was wrong and took so many pix of both children! (hink)
according to art harris it was a family member who was a registered pediatric nurse.
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Geez I don't know about abuse regarding Haleigh's picture, but clearly those are "spanking" marks on Jr. and judging from the size of his leg he is just a baby, and that makes me sad.
Makes me MAD!!:furious:
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 08:40 PM
This show stinks! What the hell is the point of this? LOOK FOR THE CHILD! These people can play this game some other day.....after they LOOK FOR THE CHILD!
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:40 PM
Depending on which timeline you believe that the Sheffields are giving the picture was taken 6 days after the incident. If you look at the picture you will see the yellowish greenish hue that shows when bruises are healing.
that's true, but not a week later. Usually a day or so, then they darken and linger for a few days. I'd expect they'd be almost gone or just a light yellowish streak after a week.
My daughter fell and buster her head on the bedside table about a week or so ago, she had a large bump across her forehead, and a large red bump beside her nose on cheek - two days later she had a huge black eye, and a faint bruise on forehead - by day five the black eye was a very small dot beside her nose of light yellow with a tinge of grey.
seekjustice
03-19-2009, 08:41 PM
This show stinks! What the hell is the point of this? LOOK FOR THE CHILD! These people can play this game some other day.....after they LOOK FOR THE CHILD!
Makes you wonder if they know she's not coming back :confused:
Searchfortruth
03-19-2009, 08:41 PM
I don't get the feeling that Nancy is balanced, at all, in her treatment of Haleigh's parents. I get it that you shouldn't judge before proof is in, but the bruises shown are not part of "normal punishment". I have never had good vibes about Ron and if I am proven wrong I will gladly eat my words, but something aint right here.
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:41 PM
did she mean the injuries looked worse or that there were more injuries?
Sorry I am confused here.
TIA
Both, IIRC 2 black eyes, another facial abrasion and more bruises?????
Did anyone say WHO took Haleigh to ER? Misty? or Dad????
babycat
03-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Both, IIRC 2 black eyes, another facial abrasion and more bruises?????
Did anyone say WHO took Haleigh to ER? Misty? or Dad????
IIRC, they didn't say. I automatically assumed it was Ron, but I don't think they ever said...
panthera
03-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Honestly I bruise so easily I can see if I fell off the monkey bars it not looking so bad and then 6 days later it looking horrible. I had a black eye once from ungentle dental work, I kid you not.
Sorry I'm late getting here and thanks so much to everybody for having the thread going tonight! :) I'm curious if any meds Haleigh was taking could've caused her to bruise more easily, or maybe make her more accident prone (loss of balance, for example)?
gypsyblue
03-19-2009, 08:44 PM
Psychiatrist said it is common for abused children to wet the bed...hence the washing of the blankets???
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 08:44 PM
Makes you wonder if they know she's not coming back :confused:
I do not understand why they are more concerned with GETTING Ronald then they are with FINDING this little girl. :furious:
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:45 PM
The psychiatrist saw custody files says this doesn't look like abuse.Father would view children as unconditionally bad and it would be acted out in some way.
what about Misty??? She watched kids more than RC.
He worked 12 hour shifts???
panthera
03-19-2009, 08:45 PM
This show stinks! What the hell is the point of this? LOOK FOR THE CHILD! These people can play this game some other day.....after they LOOK FOR THE CHILD!
You are so right! This is almost as if someone is attempting to accuse RC of Haleigh's death ~ when there is no evidence so far that she is, or what happened to her. If it really is about custody, why the need to have it so much in the media when Haleigh is still missing? :confused: MOO
passionflower
03-19-2009, 08:46 PM
I do not understand whay they are more concerned with GETTING Ronald then they are with FINDING this little girl. :furious:
BUT this is about saving JR now............
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 08:46 PM
I don't get why Nancy and Ron's side saying the abuse is taking off of the investigation and away from Haleigh. For heavens sake it could have caused Haleigh's death. Of course the abuse allegations matter. What part of Haleigh had minor injuries on 11-6 but apparent major injuries on 11-12 does Nancy not get? What part of the kid could have had the crap beat out of her during those six days after the injury at school does Nancy not get?
gypsyblue
03-19-2009, 08:47 PM
:waitasec:Did you see the video that I just saw on NG? Ng just showed a earlier video of her asking RC if Haleigh, jr and Misty were all in the big bed together and if that is how they would sleep all of them in the big bed and RC said "yes, yes miss nancy" WOW I thought he "was at work" Did I see that right? anyone?And I thought he and Misty were sticken to the Haleigh was in the toddler bed story....
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Nancy says these allegations are making LE look back to family again,instead of outside source of what happened to Haleigh.Mark says LE is putting resources back on this and it's character assasination.Mark says this is horrible.Dr Perper says these look like they could be from monkey bars,from a fall.Some kind of blow can't be excluded.He said bruises can increase and change color.
Bolded by me
Then why is she devoting an entire show to the allegations rather than examining possible "outside sources" ? :confused:
(This is a lot more fun than hollaring at the tv and feeling my bp go up. :woohoo: Thanks, Sleuthers ! :blowkiss:)
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Yes it was Crystal step mom who took the picture.
according to art harris it was a family member who was a registered pediatric nurse.
keaska
03-19-2009, 08:47 PM
thats right it's in the left hand corner
Oh I missed that. I'm sorry. I need to go look at that again. :confused:
:bac
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 08:48 PM
Maybe Misty is the abuser and not Ron.........????? IMO
Oooh good point ! Did they say how long the alleged abuse had been going on ?
Ms Suzanne
03-19-2009, 08:49 PM
I do not agree with nancy Graces attitude at all.Apparantly there is other abuse.He apparantly hit his child with a stick and he had bruises?and social services was called in?That is abuse to me to hit your child with a stick.It is wrong.This should be investigated.It's not ok to leave bruises on your child.EVER.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 08:50 PM
You are so right! This is almost as if someone is attempting to accuse RC of Haleigh's death ~ when there is no evidence so far that she is, or what happened to her. If it really is about custody, why the need to have it so much in the media when Haleigh is still missing? :confused: MOO
Actually I think it's about past behavior and misadventure that might affect JR and JR needs to be protected so nothing bad happens to him too. IMO, the custody issue should be revisited and JR be put in a more stable and safe invironment if need be, and that might not be with Crystal either.
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 08:50 PM
BUT this is about saving JR now............
Oh please...I don't buy any of this bullcrap for one second. How stupid do they think people are? They are telling us they took photos of a child they thought was being abused yet it looks "tacky" to have the camera date on?
You all can belive that if you like but not I :mad:
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 08:51 PM
Sorry I'm late getting here and thanks so much to everybody for having the thread going tonight! :) I'm curious if any meds Haleigh was taking could've caused her to bruise more easily, or maybe make her more accident prone (loss of balance, for example)?
Actually someone on another thread said that with the Turner's she might be on steroids and that makes you bruise very easily. I would like to know this as well. I have a bad immune system and honestly I bruise so bad it's almost unbelieveable.
winterrose
03-19-2009, 08:52 PM
what about Misty??? She watched kids more than RC.
He worked 12 hour shifts???
I just posted what the psychiatrist said for people who don't have cable.I don't believe in spanking,it's evil.
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 08:53 PM
BUT this is about saving JR now............
I think it's too late to help sweet little Haleigh.....moo
gogrannypop
03-19-2009, 08:53 PM
Why is NG attacking this lawyer and CS???? Does she know stuff we don't?
I seriously doubt that. MOO :crazy:
Jholi
03-19-2009, 08:54 PM
Geez I don't know about abuse regarding Haleigh's picture, but clearly those are "spanking" marks on Jr. and judging from the size of his leg he is just a baby, and that makes me sad.
Same here, seek. The combination of the finger marks on the upper arm and the strike marks on the side of the thigh is classic pattern of a parent grasping the kid by the arm and swatting from there. The bruises on the thigh match the "stick" explanation.
It's not acceptable, even for older kids, and it's disturbing and heartbreaking to see on a child so young. :(
I'm wondering if that was when Ron was told by DCF what is and is not an acceptable way to spank any child.
On the other hand, based only on this alone, I think the attorney is exaggerating, which hurts everyone. I want to hear whatever other incidents and witnesses she claims to have willing to testify before I make a judgment.
yosande
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
This show stinks! What the hell is the point of this? LOOK FOR THE CHILD! These people can play this game some other day.....after they LOOK FOR THE CHILD!
PinkyPoo, I know you won't agree with this but they are looking for Haleigh. The mother obviously thinks that the father, and/or the father's girlfriend might have killed Haleigh. They have reason to think this in my opinion by their behavior. jmo
keaska
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
What I am saying is the note from the dr from the ER visit 11/12 clearly has written in the corner 11/6 for injury date - so Ronald did not lie to ER about date accident happened.
Thank you for clarifying...again, i'm sorry, I misunderstood.
tx_Dot
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
Is she still calling Haleigh's mother the "bio mom" ? I emailed her last night and asked her not to. I think she sounds mean and petty when she does that. I wonder how she'd like to be called her twin's "bio mom".
TY !!!!.....that 'bio' bothers me too....Crystal is the MOM.
Nancys really needs to stick that "bio" where it belongs........
In the CA case !!......she could become the "Tot-Bio".....
CA sure doesn't deserve to be called MOM....by anyone.
Okay we had a power outage, that lasted from Marc Klaas to just now. I'm going back to read but thank you everyone to everyone that related what was on the show tonight :blowkiss:
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
I don't get why Nancy and Ron's side saying the abuse is taking off of the investigation and away from Haleigh. For heavens sake it could have caused Haleigh's death. Of course the abuse allegations matter. What part of Haleigh had minor injuries on 11-6 but apparent major injuries on 11-12 does Nancy not get? What part of the kid could have had the crap beat out of her during those six days after the injury at school does Nancy not get?
But it makes no sense to me (and Dr. Purpur alluded to it) that if she was beaten it would have been in the exact same area as the injuries from her fall off the monkey bars.
I'm glad Nancy called the principal of her school and they said they've never seen signs of abuse on Haleigh. So all of a sudden he decides to bruise her on her face, where she already has an injury.... Makes no sense to me.
KSH352
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
Actually someone on another thread said that with the Turner's she might be on steroids and that makes you bruise very easily. I would like to know this as well. I have a bad immune system and honestly I bruise so bad it's almost unbelieveable.
I remember an interview in which it was said ( RC OR HIS MOM) that Haleigh had a mild case of Turner's and did not required medication.
Searchfortruth
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
I understand the danger of getting sidetracked, the focus being taken off of the search for Haleigh, but IF there is abuse maybe they need to look at Ron again. All those calls to DCF and nothing was ever done ? Custody was given to Ron even though he has quite the drug history. IDK, but I just don't get the feeling that this was a stranger abduction...my opinion only.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 08:56 PM
I think Mark K needs to educate NG about the stats of missing/kidnapped kids under the age of five. Outside of parental abduction, they are usually reported missing/kidnapped to cover up a murder. And the kids are usually murdered while their parents are commiting child abuse.
It really sounds like NG is buying the stranger abduction. And that is extremely rare.
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:57 PM
Well if those bruises are from punishment then I am in big trouble. My kids always had bruises in straight lines on their shins, thighs, arms etc. Pedal on a bicycle does wonders to a shin, running into stairs, and the list goes on. Wouldnt it also be odd if Ron was using a stick to discipline the kids that he would just hit them once? Usually someone who is abusing kids would take more than one swing with a stick at them and leave numerous bruises or welts in a line. I would also be concerned that RJ has been coached so much at this point he will say what every MG or CS want him to say.
panthera
03-19-2009, 08:58 PM
what about Misty??? She watched kids more than RC.
He worked 12 hour shifts???
Good point! Even by CS's own admission last night on Nancy's show, RC didn't pay that much attention to the kids when he and CS were together. So maybe that was the point of having the live-in girlfriend/babysitter? MOO
I did see the discussion of the pictures and NG does have a point. If that's all there is, and Haleigh's injuries were documented and she was seen at an ER, then this lawyer needs to game up. She's going to have to game up quick if she's going to help Crystal in any way amend the custody agreement.
Busylady
03-19-2009, 08:58 PM
Oh no problem, this is so darn confusing with so many twist and turn hard to keep everything straight.
Thank you for clarifying...again, i'm sorry, I misunderstood.
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 08:59 PM
TY !!!!.....that 'bio' bothers me too....Crystal is the MOM.
Nancys really needs to stick that "bio" where it belongs........
In the CA case !!......she could become the "Tot-Bio".....
CA sure doesn't deserve to be called MOM....by anyone.
Was she still calling her bio-mom tonight ?
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 08:59 PM
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But it makes no sense to me (and Dr. Purpur alluded to it) that if she was beaten it would have been in the exact same area as the injuries from her fall off the monkey bars.
I'm glad Nancy called the principal of her school and they said they've never seen signs of abuse on Haleigh. So all of a sudden he decides to bruise her on her face, where she already has an injury.... Makes no sense to me.
I don't think a parent in the throws of anger is thinking about a previous injury. But if they did, then why not a place where an accidental injury was previously documented?
Busylady
03-19-2009, 09:00 PM
That is what I thought as well, but in the Art Harris letter it states she is on medication.
I remember an interview in which it was said ( RC OR HIS MOM) that Haleigh had a mild case of Turner's and did not required medication.
keaska
03-19-2009, 09:00 PM
I do not understand why they are more concerned with GETTING Ronald then they are with FINDING this little girl. :furious:
I don't see it that way at all!! Her son is just as important as her daughter and she has reason to believe he's in an abusive home. She knows where he is and she wants him back right now. I TOTALLY get that!
How is her going after him hindering the search for Hayleigh? I don't get that at all.
panthera
03-19-2009, 09:00 PM
I think Mark K needs to educate NG about the stats of missing/kidnapped kids under the age of five. Outside of parental abduction, they are usually reported missing/kidnapped to cover up a murder. And the kids are usually murdered while their parents are commiting child abuse.
It really sounds like NG is buying the stranger abduction. And that is extremely rare.
It seems she's being very favorable toward RC and his family which would point to a stranger instead of somebody he knew harming Haleigh. MOO
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 09:01 PM
Well if those bruises are from punishment then I am in big trouble. My kids always had bruises in straight lines on their shins, thighs, arms etc. Pedal on a bicycle does wonders to a shin, running into stairs, and the list goes on. Wouldnt it also be odd if Ron was using a stick to discipline the kids that he would just hit them once? Usually someone who is abusing kids would take more than one swing with a stick at them and leave numerous bruises or welts in a line. I would also be concerned that RJ has been coached so much at this point he will say what every TN or CS want him to say.
Not reading your mind, Busylady, but I bet you didn't mean to say TN.....
gypsyblue
03-19-2009, 09:01 PM
PinkyPoo, I know you won't agree with this but they are looking for Haleigh. The mother obviously thinks that the father, and/or the father's girlfriend might have killed Haleigh. They have reason to think this in my opinion by their behavior. jmoWell said! IMO this isnt keeping LE from the investigation, this is actually bringing the focus back to those inside the home, where if Misty wouldnt have thrown LE in the beginning by lying and staging an abduction, this is where they would have started. I bet they would have been a lot further in this case, a lot sooner. Had Misty not been so young, I dont think LE would have been so mislead so quickly!!! JMOO
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 09:03 PM
Well if those bruises are from punishment then I am in big trouble. My kids always had bruises in straight lines on their shins, thighs, arms etc. Pedal on a bicycle does wonders to a shin, running into stairs, and the list goes on. Wouldnt it also be odd if Ron was using a stick to discipline the kids that he would just hit them once? Usually someone who is abusing kids would take more than one swing with a stick at them and leave numerous bruises or welts in a line. I would also be concerned that RJ has been coached so much at this point he will say what every TN or CS want him to say.
The TH lawyer Eleanor looked at the photos and agreed the bruises looked like linear marks left by using a switch/stick. She is a prosecutor for child abuse cases.
I have been whipped with a switch and KNOW that little 3 year RJ did not do ANYTHING to deserve that!!!!! Shame on DCF for turning their backs on these kids. :furious:
gypsyblue
03-19-2009, 09:03 PM
It seems she's being very favorable toward RC and his family which would point to a stranger instead of somebody he knew harming Haleigh. MOOApparently she cant get past Mistys adolescence either! IMO
Quiche
03-19-2009, 09:03 PM
Does Turner's Syndrome compromise the immune system? Ecoli would I'd think (poor baby). I think there was appropriate medical attention given to the facial wounds. Seems feasible that Haleigh may have picked at her scratches and or had a hard time healing for several reasons. Wonder if antibiotics were given or any other meds.
I'm way more concerned about that bruise on Jr personally. That one seems more suspicious.
Wish they'd quit focusing on the past and get busy with what's important today. moo
I don't see it that way at all!! Her son is just as important as her daughter and she has reason to believe he's in an abusive home. She knows where he is and she wants him back right now. I TOTALLY get that!
How is her going after him hindering the search for Hayleigh? I don't get that at all.
Keaska, the way it was explained on NG by the guy that's a former fbi something or another (someone here will know his name), is that the investigating agency only has a finite amount of resourses. That I understood completely.
Now, that agency has to re-task LEO to investigate these allegations and that takes resources away from searching for Haleigh. In that manner, I completely understand how it is taking away from the search for Haleigh.
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:05 PM
I don't see it that way at all!! Her son is just as important as her daughter and she has reason to believe he's in an abusive home. She knows where he is and she wants him back right now. I TOTALLY get that!
How is her going after him hindering the search for Hayleigh? I don't get that at all.
How is Crystals Atty helping to find ANYTHING other then her own fame by appearing on NG nightly? I don't get that at all.
Jholi
03-19-2009, 09:05 PM
I understand the danger of getting sidetracked, the focus being taken off of the search for Haleigh, but IF there is abuse maybe they need to look at Ron again. All those calls to DCF and nothing was ever done ? Custody was given to Ron even though he has quite the drug history. IDK, but I just don't get the feeling that this was a stranger abduction...my opinion only.
I agree. I also find it to be amazing to hear wails about this getting sidetracked, after the the wedding etc. Sheesh! I saw that justified by it's keeping the story in the news... welll... :crazy:
I so wish we, they, everyone could put the wishes of the adults aside and try to be consistent and fair in our analyses - we have to be in order to find the truth and what is really best for both of these sweet children.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Oh please...I don't buy any of this bullcrap for one second. How stupid do they think people are? They are telling us they took photos of a child they thought was being abused yet it looks "tacky" to have the camera date on?
You all can belive that if you like but not I :mad:
Removing the date was probably done way before they took the abuse pics. They probably removed the date, like I did, the first day I bought the camera. I hate the dates on my pictures as well.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Well if those bruises are from punishment then I am in big trouble. My kids always had bruises in straight lines on their shins, thighs, arms etc. Pedal on a bicycle does wonders to a shin, running into stairs, and the list goes on. Wouldnt it also be odd if Ron was using a stick to discipline the kids that he would just hit them once? Usually someone who is abusing kids would take more than one swing with a stick at them and leave numerous bruises or welts in a line. I would also be concerned that RJ has been coached so much at this point he will say what every TN or CS want him to say.
Not to mention how do we even know that most of those pictures are even him???? We really don't know. The pictures were so fuzzy and could have been "any" child (chad's)
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:07 PM
Well said! IMO this isnt keeping LE from the investigation, this is actually bringing the focus back to those inside the home, where if Misty wouldnt have thrown LE in the beginning by lying and staging an abduction, this is where they would have started. I bet they would have been a lot further in this case, a lot sooner. Had Misty not been so young, I dont think LE would have been so mislead so quickly!!! JMOO
Oh for petes sake....Misty is not bright enough to throw LE off track. LOL
I am 120% sure that LE can clearly see through her.
keaska
03-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Keaska, the way it was explained on NG by the guy that's a former fbi something or another (someone here will know his name), is that the investigating agency only has a finite amount of resourses. That I understood completely.
Now, that agency has to re-task LEO to investigate these allegations and that takes resources away from searching for Haleigh. In that manner, I completely understand how it is taking away from the search for Haleigh.
I don't buy that. DCAF can handle this for now while they are focusing on their search for Hayleigh.
What I DO NOT get is that some people seem to think that child abuse has nothing to do with Hayleigh being missing. It very well could BE the reason she is missing.
Casey Anthony NEVER abused Caylee before that we know of and look what she did to her own little girl.
tx_Dot
03-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Was she still calling her bio-mom tonight ?
LOL....I'm not allowed to 'touch' the remote right now....
I'll have to wacth the replay @ 9 here.
Okay here is what I missed catching (I have my own kids with big ol' mouths that were yacking).
KP (CS's lawyer) stated that the pictures were taken on 16 NOV. Wasn't it said in the art harris article that the exact date of the picture was unknown because the memory card had been erased?
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Psychiatrist said it is common for abused children to wet the bed...hence the washing of the blankets???
Actually Turner syndrome is know to cause bladder,Kidney and Urinary Trac problems.
DotsEyes
03-19-2009, 09:09 PM
I just posted what the psychiatrist said for people who don't have cable.I don't believe in spanking,it's evil.
I agree on the spanking.:furious:
keaska
03-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Oh for petes sake....Misty is not bright enough to throw LE off track. LOL
I am 120% sure that LE can clearly see through her.
Really?
And I thought I clearly heard tonight on NG (or was it JVM) a quote that said police are STILL not able put together a timeline because of her inconsistencies. I would call that throwing them off track.
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:09 PM
I don't see it that way at all!! Her son is just as important as her daughter and she has reason to believe he's in an abusive home. She knows where he is and she wants him back right now. I TOTALLY get that!
How is her going after him hindering the search for Hayleigh? I don't get that at all.
If thats true then they should get there hind ends in a court room. Nancy Grace does not decide custody!
Oh but then the free atty would not get her free press. I can see right through these people.
gypsyblue
03-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Oh for petes sake....Misty is not bright enough to throw LE off track. LOL
I am 120% sure that LE can clearly see through her. and Crystal is? just sayin...and ya they do see through her ..NOW.... I read for weeks how people blamed her youth and being scared...
Blackwatch
03-19-2009, 09:11 PM
I just posted what the psychiatrist said for people who don't have cable.I don't believe in spanking,it's evil.
Well, I believe in spanking, but NOT with a STICK.
alwaysonmymind
03-19-2009, 09:11 PM
Okay here is what I missed catching (I have my own kids with big ol' mouths that were yacking).
KP (CS's lawyer) stated that the pictures were taken on 16 NOV. Wasn't it said in the art harris article that the exact date of the picture was unknown because the memory card had been erased?
The stepmom, Connie, remembered it being the Sunday before Thanksgiving. Crystal had stopped by on her way to returning the kids to Ron after her visit.
I don't buy that. DCAF can handle this for now while they are focusing on their search for Hayleigh.
What I DO NOT get is that some people seem to think that child abuse has nothing to do with Hayleigh being missing. It very well could BE the reason she is missing.
Casey Anthony NEVER abused Caylee before that we know of and look what she did to her own little girl.
You don't have to buy anything. I was just telling you what the *expert* on NG said, you can draw your own conclusions. What's with the caps? That's yelling in bulletin board land. Google it, it's not just IMHO.
Plus I have yet to see a poster here that thinks child abuse has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing. Posters here are kind, considerate and care very deeply about Haleigh, and when and *if* abuse is substantiated then I can't imagine those posters would look away ...that is MHO.
Sunburst70791
03-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Apparently she cant get past Mistys adolescence either! IMO
you caught that too, huh? :)
flnana
03-19-2009, 09:13 PM
Actually someone on another thread said that with the Turner's she might be on steroids and that makes you bruise very easily. I would like to know this as well. I have a bad immune system and honestly I bruise so bad it's almost unbelieveable.
There would be no reason for her to be on steroids because of the TS. If she had heart problems because of the TS and had to take medication for that it might cause her to bruise easily, but they said no meds.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:13 PM
I don't think a parent in the throws of anger is thinking about a previous injury. But if they did, then why not a place where an accidental injury was previously documented?
I don't think a parent in the throws of anger is thinking about clocking a kid in the exact same place she just received injuries either. If he's that angry he just smacks her. It works both ways. My point is the principal said they never saw any sign of physical abuse. So in the six months she was there it just "happens" that he smacks her in the same spot where she has injuries when she's never shown a sign before at the exact same time. The coincidence/odds of this just aren't sitting right with me.
lolype29
03-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Well if those bruises are from punishment then I am in big trouble. My kids always had bruises in straight lines on their shins, thighs, arms etc. Pedal on a bicycle does wonders to a shin, running into stairs, and the list goes on. Wouldnt it also be odd if Ron was using a stick to discipline the kids that he would just hit them once? Usually someone who is abusing kids would take more than one swing with a stick at them and leave numerous bruises or welts in a line. I would also be concerned that RJ has been coached so much at this point he will say what every TN or CS want him to say.
When my kids were that little, they would tell you mommy tripped them and made them fall down if they had tripped over my shoe, or walking next to me... Perhaps Ronald and RJ were throwing sticks into the water or something and JR walked in front causing him to be hit with a stick ... MOO
On another note, How would the mom know that Haleigh had more injuries after the monkey bar incident when she didn't have the kids until that next weekend???
SCHTown
03-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Okay here is what I missed catching (I have my own kids with big ol' mouths that were yacking).
KP (CS's lawyer) stated that the pictures were taken on 16 NOV. Wasn't it said in the art harris article that the exact date of the picture was unknown because the memory card had been erased?
IIRC, tey stated that the pic was taken the Friday before Thanksgiving, if that helps.
The stepmom, Connie, remembered it being the Sunday before Thanksgiving. Crystal had stopped by on her way to returning the kids to Ron after her visit.
TY alwaysonmymind. I hope that if she used her camera then there is a timestamp on it.
panthera
03-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Actually Turner syndrome is know to cause bladder,Kidney and Urinary Trac problems.
Couldn't that be the reason then for the bed wetting?
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Really?
And I thought I clearly heard tonight on NG (or was it JVM) a quote that said police are STILL not able put together a timeline because of her inconsistencies. I would call that throwing them off track.
Call it anything you like. Don't buy into everything these talking heads say. They are not looking for a child....they are looking for ratings.
Thats it...nothing more....RATINGS.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:15 PM
There would be no reason for her to be on steroids because of the TS. If she had heart problems because of the TS and had to take medication for that it might cause her to bruise easily, but they said no meds.
I don't think she had heart problems. I know RJ had a murmer but nothing that I know of on Haleigh. Thanks!
Jholi
03-19-2009, 09:16 PM
Keaska, the way it was explained on NG by the guy that's a former fbi something or another (someone here will know his name), is that the investigating agency only has a finite amount of resourses. That I understood completely.
Now, that agency has to re-task LEO to investigate these allegations and that takes resources away from searching for Haleigh. In that manner, I completely understand how it is taking away from the search for Haleigh.DCF is the agency that investigates this matter. Unless I'm very mistake, they are a separate agency and aren't part of the search for Haleigh, so use of their resources wouldn't take resourced away from the search. :waitasec:
nnglas
03-19-2009, 09:16 PM
I don't think a parent in the throws of anger is thinking about clocking a kid in the exact same place she just received injuries either. If he's that angry he just smacks her. It works both ways. My point is the principal said they never saw any sign of physical abuse. So in the six months she was there it just "happens" that he smacks her in the same spot where she has injuries when she's never shown a sign before at the exact same time. The coincidence/odds of this just aren't sitting right with me.
Just being devil's advocate here, but she missed alot of days of school. Maybe she was kept out when she had bruises.
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:17 PM
and Crystal is? just sayin...and ya they do see through her ..NOW.... I read for weeks how people blamed her youth and being scared...
Crystal is what? ya lost me :confused:
DCF is the agency that investigates this matter. Unless I'm very mistake, they are a separate agency and aren't part of the search for Haleigh, so use of their resources wouldn't take resourced away from the search. :waitasec:
Jholi it was reported today that LE and DCF are investigating these new allegations. I'll go find you the link.
tfrohning
03-19-2009, 09:18 PM
I do not understand why they are more concerned with GETTING Ronald then they are with FINDING this little girl. :furious:
because if there abuse than maybe LE need to be look at ron and misty.
Ron is abuser that is clear on 911 tape. and what i seem of jr there is . so dept child service ok this. you can hit your kids with sticks and what belts.
and the talking heads agree:furious:
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Couldn't that be the reason then for the bed wetting?
Yep sure can:)
tfrohning
03-19-2009, 09:21 PM
Both, IIRC 2 black eyes, another facial abrasion and more bruises?????
Did anyone say WHO took Haleigh to ER? Misty? or Dad????
I belive the statement was someone:furious:
flnana
03-19-2009, 09:21 PM
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But it makes no sense to me (and Dr. Purpur alluded to it) that if she was beaten it would have been in the exact same area as the injuries from her fall off the monkey bars.
I'm glad Nancy called the principal of her school and they said they've never seen signs of abuse on Haleigh. So all of a sudden he decides to bruise her on her face, where she already has an injury.... Makes no sense to me.
I teach and it is confidential information. I'm not saying she didn't call, but you are not allowed to give out any information to anyone other that the custodial parent without court papers. You can lose your license for that--maybe in a small town they bend the rules, but it is against the law to give out that info. I am very surprised that a principal would give out that info knowing that it would be broadcast nationally. That's like saying "sue me and take away my license so that I can never work in a school again." It's a very serious offense.
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:21 PM
because if there abuse than maybe LE need to be look at ron and misty.
Ron is abuser that is clear on 911 tape. and what i seem of jr there is . so dept child service ok this. you can hit your kids with sticks and what belts.
and the talking heads agree:furious:
Who cares what the talking heads agree with? That has nothing to do with finding a child. They don't care about a missing little girl. They care about getting their own faces on TV.
Jholi
03-19-2009, 09:21 PM
Oh for petes sake....Misty is not bright enough to throw LE off track. LOL
I am 120% sure that LE can clearly see through her.
Me too. But she hasn't managed to thrown them off track; they have made it clear that they don't trust what she is saying. ;)
Jholi here it is it was posted today on the Media for today thread by Angelwhocares at Today, 02:52 PM
"The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and the Department of Children and Families are investigating claims by the children’s mother that Ronald Cummings has beaten his son and also neglected the children repeatedly."
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...ild_abuse.html
So when I heard the expert speak to this that article came to mind.
O/T but angelwhocares keeps us up to date with almost all the article released daily she's a sweetie :blowkiss:
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Okay here is what I missed catching (I have my own kids with big ol' mouths that were yacking).
KP (CS's lawyer) stated that the pictures were taken on 16 NOV. Wasn't it said in the art harris article that the exact date of the picture was unknown because the memory card had been erased?
YES. She took the date off the camera (therefore no date on actual picture) AND the card was erased so the encoded data was gone as well. It was either in the harris article or I thought CS's lawyer had said it on some show I watched today in between furiously typing my "oh so important" thoughts. LOL
Busylady
03-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Yep I did, thank you will go back and fix my original post.
Not reading your mind, Busylady, but I bet you didn't mean to say TN.....
lolype29
03-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Just being devil's advocate here, but she missed alot of days of school. Maybe she was kept out when she had bruises.
I have a post in the rumors thread that helps with the dates she missed from school, I did not post it up here because I am unsure if those are the exact dates CS had the kids.. you can click on my name and see my previos posts to get it ...
PinkyPoo
03-19-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm glad it's over. Now CS lawyer can go back to her hotel and decide what outfit to wear on the show tomorrow night. Because lets face it, thats whats really inportant here. ;)
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 09:25 PM
I teach and it is confidential information. I'm not saying she didn't call, but you are not allowed to give out any information to anyone other that the custodial parent without court papers. You can lose your license for that--maybe in a small town they bend the rules, but it is against the law to give out that info. I am very surprised that a principal would give out that info knowing that it would be broadcast nationally. That's like saying "sue me and take away my license so that I can never work in a school again." It's a very serious offense.
I was also shocked to hear the comment about the principal. IMO, It if is true, the principal should be disciplined. Parents have a right to expect that their children's privacy will be safeguarded by the schools.
Jholi
03-19-2009, 09:26 PM
Who cares what the talking heads agree with? That has nothing to do with finding a child. They don't care about a missing little girl. They care about getting their own faces on TV.(my bold)
I don't completely disagree. But there are also an alarming number of people who care more about protecting Ronald than making sure the children are being parented in a safe and healthy manner.
tfrohning
03-19-2009, 09:26 PM
Just being devil's advocate here, but she missed alot of days of school. Maybe she was kept out when she had bruises.
which is the first sign of abuse. and I don't think that Flordia child service has the best record. :furious:
keaska
03-19-2009, 09:26 PM
You don't have to buy anything. I was just telling you what the *expert* on NG said, you can draw your own conclusions. What's with the caps? That's yelling in bulletin board land. Google it, it's not just IMHO.
Plus I have yet to see a poster here that thinks child abuse has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing. Posters here are kind, considerate and care very deeply about Haleigh, and when and *if* abuse is substantiated then I can't imagine those posters would look away ...that is MHO.
I didn't mean that I didn't buy your reporting. I didn't buy the *expert* opinion. I know that all caps can be yelling, but I've been a member of a forum for years and that's just the way I type when I'm emphasizing a certain word. Not yelling to me honestly, just emphasizing. I'll try to watch it more here.
Noone has said that it had nothing to do with it, that's the conclusion I was drawing by the comments about getting on with looking for Hayleigh.
Seriously, I wasn't being snarky to you and I'm sorry it's coming out that way.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:26 PM
Just being devil's advocate here, but she missed alot of days of school. Maybe she was kept out when she had bruises.
Good point! That is entirely possible.
Nonni Brenda
03-19-2009, 09:27 PM
I agree. I also find it to be amazing to hear wails about this getting sidetracked, after the the wedding etc. Sheesh! I saw that justified by it's keeping the story in the news... welll... :crazy:
I so wish we, they, everyone could put the wishes of the adults aside and try to be consistent and fair in our analyses - we have to be in order to find the truth and what is really best for both of these sweet children.
Jholi, I agree with you, key word BOTH. I know if I had a 4 yr old living in that household, I would have already gotten him. I'm not trying to slam RC, but I would be worried sick is those 2 were trying to look after my 3 yr old grandson. Granted it should have been checked out before H wnt missing, but still. MOO Nonnie Brenda
YES. She took the date off the camera (therefore no date on actual picture) AND the card was erased so the encoded data was gone as well. It was either in the harris article or I thought CS's lawyer had said it on some show I watched today in between furiously typing my "oh so important" thoughts. LOL
TY CeeKer. Then this Lawyer does have a problem, maybe that's why she's taking it to the media? I dont' know.
If the allegations are correct and Haleigh was being abused then that fact of the timestamps and memory card erasure could possibly prevent this from making to the judge and if the allegations are true, that is a miscarriage of justice for Haleigh.
I'll be rewatching NG and reading the transcripts! :)
Busylady
03-19-2009, 09:29 PM
Wish they could at least get the dates straight. The article says Crystal took the kids to see Johnny on 11/12 - They say they took pictures 4 days later? The injuries got worse from the 12th to the 16th? I am trying really hard to understand this but coming up empty.
It's all good Keaska. :blowkiss:
tfrohning
03-19-2009, 09:29 PM
I was also shocked to hear the comment about the principal. IMO, It if is true, the principal should be disciplined. Parents have a right to expect that their children's privacy will be safeguarded by the schools.
That a very good point , does the school not have lawyer for issues like this.
well it come down to it the school might be going to trial too.
I thought that when I heard on NG about the school and the injury. That if the investigation shows that they did not report it, Crystal has a good civil suit against them. JMHO.
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 09:32 PM
I'm still in shock over this NG. I have stressed the need to be objective in this case, but what I saw tonight really disappointed me, as a viewer. She was so bent on shaming the bio mom and her lawyer, the lawyer had to repeat the timeline of school, bruise, photo at least four times.
Then, did I hear correctly? The photo did not show the level of abuse NG and THeads found actionable? There were no cigarette burns, severed limbs (I added that) AND I heard Eleanor say the photo NG was holding of Haleigh looked to her like acceptable discipline?
I knew NG was on a mission, but as a viewer who wants ALL the answers, I felt insulted. Especially when NG psychologist mentioned that child abuse can manifest into bed-wetting. I thought Nancy would recall what Misty said about having to wash the blankets the night before...nothing.
What a waste of an hour...huge waste!
Busylady
03-19-2009, 09:33 PM
I do not know how this works but could Ron have given permission for the school to talk to Nancy?
I thought that when I heard on NG about the school and the injury. That if the investigation shows that they did not report it, Crystal has a good civil suit against them. JMHO.
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:34 PM
I teach and it is confidential information. I'm not saying she didn't call, but you are not allowed to give out any information to anyone other that the custodial parent without court papers. You can lose your license for that--maybe in a small town they bend the rules, but it is against the law to give out that info. I am very surprised that a principal would give out that info knowing that it would be broadcast nationally. That's like saying "sue me and take away my license so that I can never work in a school again." It's a very serious offense.
I worked in a school as well and I definitely see your point here. I guess I could see a small town school maybe splitting hairs on whether releasing that particular statement (no abuse seen) was actually confidential info since they weren't given information out exactly, just there was no info to give (about abuse)... don't think I'm saying this right. But anyway, I hear ya! I was a tad surprised as well.
Busylady
03-19-2009, 09:34 PM
Well heck I am still asking about the time line because they keep changing it.
I'm still in shock over this NG. I have stressed the need to be objective in this case, but what I saw tonight really disappointed me, as a viewer. She was so bent on shaming the bio mom and her lawyer, the lawyer had to repeat the timeline of school, bruise, photo at least four times.
Then, did I hear correctly? The photo did not show the level of abuse NG and THeads found actionable? There were no cigarette burns, severed limbs (I added that) AND I heard Eleanor say the photo NG was holding of Haleigh looked to her like acceptable discipline?
I knew NG was on a mission, but as a viewer who wants ALL the answers, I felt insulted. Especially when NG psychologist mentioned that child abuse can manifest into bed-wetting. I thought Nancy would recall what Misty said about having to wash the blankets the night before...nothing.
What a waste of an hour...huge waste!
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 09:35 PM
I do not know how this works but could Ron have given permission for the school to talk to Nancy?
Oooh - good point. I bet that's how she got away with it. His new lawyer's coming in handy already, isn't he ?
Busylady
03-19-2009, 09:35 PM
Nancy had the er report as well so maybe Ron did give permission for Nancy to obtain the information.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 09:35 PM
It seems she's being very favorable toward RC and his family which would point to a stranger instead of somebody he knew harming Haleigh. MOO
I think I'll follow where LE is going with this over where NG is. And right now LE has a big problem with Misty.
tfrohning
03-19-2009, 09:36 PM
I don't think she had heart problems. I know RJ had a murmer but nothing that I know of on Haleigh. Thanks!
I never once hear either family said that she had TS,just the new media.
I hear TN said that she was sick alot. but not that she TS. If any one have a link that the family said she had TS not media but the family i like to see it.
Jholi
03-19-2009, 09:36 PM
Jholi here it is it was posted today on the Media for today thread by Angelwhocares at Today, 02:52 PM
"The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and the Department of Children and Families are investigating claims by the children’s mother that Ronald Cummings has beaten his son and also neglected the children repeatedly."
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...ild_abuse.html
So when I heard the expert speak to this that article came to mind.
O/T but angelwhocares keeps us up to date with almost all the article released daily she's a sweetie :blowkiss:
Thank you, Kat! :blowkiss: I definitely hope they are being wise in their delegations of resources and not using that of the 5 detectives, at least. I can't stand to see what I saw on Jr and the explanation his dad gave, but I don't see it alone to be bad enough to divert those resources, either.
They needed to keep this private. :cool: I didn't approve of all the "It keeps Haleigh in the news" excuses for the wedding and honeymoon, nor do I approve of it as an excuse here.
I'm still in shock over this NG. I have stressed the need to be objective in this case, but what I saw tonight really disappointed me, as a viewer. She was so bent on shaming the bio mom and her lawyer, the lawyer had to repeat the timeline of school, bruise, photo at least four times.
Then, did I hear correctly? The photo did not show the level of abuse NG and THeads found actionable? There were no cigarette burns, severed limbs (I added that) AND I heard Eleanor say the photo NG was holding of Haleigh looked to her like acceptable discipline?
I knew NG was on a mission, but as a viewer who wants ALL the answers, I felt insulted. Especially when NG psychologist mentioned that child abuse can manifest into med-wetting. I thought Nancy would recall what Misty said about having to wash the blankets the night before...nothing.
What a waste of an hour...huge waste!
Bolding mine:
Yes I agree Lance, with your statment that I bolded. DCF decides what is abusive and what is not, not NG. But, I was frustrated in another reason, because in my own view this does take the focus off Haleigh (as well as the coverage on the wedding and etc.).
Let me say that I think that we should see NG interviewing LE. They have a spokesperson who speaks to the media, request an interview with him and ask about the dang case. The van, the RSO's etc... something!
I, personally, don't want to see NG take this new lawyer to task. I want to see some investigative reporting going on....to use KC's words "Come' on!" (with my fists clenched and my face pulled out of shape like hers too)
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:37 PM
I was also shocked to hear the comment about the principal. IMO, It if is true, the principal should be disciplined. Parents have a right to expect that their children's privacy will be safeguarded by the schools.
It's also possible Ron gave his permission since (a) he trusts NG it seems and (b) the info didn't hurt him at all
kikid
03-19-2009, 09:37 PM
Is it me or does NG have a hard on for CS?
It really surprises me actually that she is being so critical of CS & uncritical of Ron. Maybe she looks down on Crystal for losing custody? Maybe she thinks she didn't fight hard enough to keep her babies?? Or see's abused women as weak?
Maybe Ron beat all the fight out of her (CS)?? JMOO
Koozit
03-19-2009, 09:38 PM
This show stinks! What the hell is the point of this? LOOK FOR THE CHILD! These people can play this game some other day.....after they LOOK FOR THE CHILD!
I Agree... This takes away the REAL issue here Where Is Haleigh:mad:
All of this bad mouthing back and forth about NG is pure hateful.
Pure and simple don't watch if you don't have an open mind..
MOO:mad:
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 09:38 PM
I never once hear either family said that she had TS,just the new media.
I hear TN said that she was sick alot. but not that she TS. If any one have a link that the family said she had TS not media but the family i like to see it.
I think it's mentioned in the Police Report from the night Haleigh disappeared. It's the last document in the Documents thread.
Nonni Brenda
03-19-2009, 09:38 PM
because if there abuse than maybe LE need to be look at ron and misty.
Ron is abuser that is clear on 911 tape. and what i seem of jr there is . so dept child service ok this. you can hit your kids with sticks and what belts.
and the talking heads agree:furious:
I couldn't believe it when one of her guests said of Jr's bruises that it looked like normal discipline to her (no exact quote). My mouth fell open. Wonder if she picked her child up at day care (hypothetically) and had a bruise like that one, and day care worker said they had disciplined him with a stick, would she do what she had to do to invetigate? We know anyway that NG is the perfect mom and loves her twins more that anyone on the planet. Don't know. :waitasec: Just wondering.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 09:39 PM
Keaska, the way it was explained on NG by the guy that's a former fbi something or another (someone here will know his name), is that the investigating agency only has a finite amount of resourses. That I understood completely.
Now, that agency has to re-task LEO to investigate these allegations and that takes resources away from searching for Haleigh. In that manner, I completely understand how it is taking away from the search for Haleigh.
If the allegations of abuse is valid, then they should be part of the investigation. I thought LE and the FBI stated that resources weren't a problem with this case?
mikeysmommom
03-19-2009, 09:39 PM
I do not understand why they are more concerned with GETTING Ronald then they are with FINDING this little girl. :furious:
It seems to me bio mom is starting to get donations, after all this time she is just now worried about the kids being abused. Seems fishy to me to let the dad have kids for 4 yrs if you feel they are being abused.To me its just to keep money coming in, for such a concerned mother why didnt she try to get her kids back in all these years.School nurse would minimize injuries gotten from the schools monkey bars to cover their own behinds in a lawsuit.The marriage took away from the child but thankfully only a few days,hopefully this will not last long.I believe the mom sees an opportunity to cash in and shes grabbing it.
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 09:41 PM
Is it me or does NG have a hard on for CS?
It really surprises me actually that she is being so critical of CS & uncritical of Ron. Maybe she looks down on Crystal for losing custody? Maybe she thinks she didn't fight hard enough to keep her babies?? Or see's abused women as weak?
Maybe Ron beat all the fight out of her (CS)?? JMOO
I'm still going with the ratings war theory. Geraldo on Foxx has show definite bias toward Crystal. So now Nancy is championing Ron. Callous beyond belief IMHO.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
I don't buy that. DCAF can handle this for now while they are focusing on their search for Hayleigh.
What I DO NOT get is that some people seem to think that child abuse has nothing to do with Hayleigh being missing. It very well could BE the reason she is missing.
Casey Anthony NEVER abused Caylee before that we know of and look what she did to her own little girl.
Thank you! That's my point exactly.
Is it me or does NG have a hard on for CS?
It really surprises me actually that she is being so critical of CS & uncritical of Ron. Maybe she looks down on Crystal for losing custody? Maybe she thinks she didn't fight hard enough to keep her babies?? Or see's abused women as weak?
Maybe Ron beat all the fight out of her (CS)?? JMOO
I don't think NG has a hard on for CS. NG has a hard on for any lawyer. LOL
She didn't act like this until CS's lawyer came on the show. FWIW, RC's Lawyers advised him not to come on tonight.
I guess they know they better come correct if they have a sit down with NG! LOL
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
I never once hear either family said that she had TS,just the new media.
I hear TN said that she was sick alot. but not that she TS. If any one have a link that the family said she had TS not media but the family i like to see it.
I believe it was brought up and stated in the custody documents so I believe it is legit. (When they were talking about CS missing 12 dr. appts, I believe it was discussed at that point)
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 09:43 PM
Shaming the boi mom. What I just dont get that. Was it not the mom and the lawyer that brought it to national tv. Did they really think it wouldn't be questioned. We arent just talking RJ being taking away from his dad where talking criminal charges to. Of course there is gonna be hard questions. I actually thought NG did a good job. Im totally for protecting our children from child abuse but Im also against people making false claims. I will wait and see what DCF and the sheriff's office comes up with and make my judgement off of that.
Shaymus at The Rock
03-19-2009, 09:43 PM
I couldn't believe it when one of her guests said of Jr's bruises that it looked like normal discipline to her (no exact quote). My mouth fell open. Wonder if she picked her child up at day care (hypothetically) and had a bruise like that one, and day care worker said they had disciplined him with a stick, would she do what she had to do to invetigate? We know anyway that NG is the perfect mom and loves her twins more that anyone on the planet. Don't know. :waitasec: Just wondering.
Oooh boy. Imagine being a caregiver to Nancy's twins and she finds the tiniest mark..... :eek:
mikeysmommom
03-19-2009, 09:44 PM
I Agree... This takes away the REAL issue here Where Is Haleigh:mad:
All of this bad mouthing back and forth about NG is pure hateful.
Pure and simple don't watch if you don't have an open mind..
MOO:mad:
It sure seems to me the mothers side is the only one doing the bashing.The lawyer and the mom should be doing this behind the scene and not on tv that way the focus would stay where it belongs and thats on the missing child. JMO
If the allegations of abuse is valid, then they should be part of the investigation. I thought LE and the FBI stated that resources weren't a problem with this case?
Suzi any allegation of abuse if valid and should be investigated. LE is investigating these allegations. Common sense would tell us that Putnam County Sheriff's office has finite resourses (resources don't always equal money but people too, they only have five detectives working this case to begin with, I find that a low number myself IMHO).
As for the FBI would they be involved in the investigation of abuse allegations within that county?
mikeysmommom
03-19-2009, 09:46 PM
Shaming the boi mom. What I just dont get that. Was it not the mom and the lawyer that brought it to national tv. Did they really think it wouldn't be questioned. We arent just talking RJ being taking away from his dad where talking criminal charges to. Of course there is gonna be hard questions. I actually thought NG did a good job. Im totally for protecting our children from child abuse but Im also against people making false claims. I will wait and see what DCF and the sheriff's office comes up with and make my judgement off of that.
I totally agree and it seems that the mom has made many false claims and this is just not the right time for it.IMO
CeeKer
03-19-2009, 09:47 PM
TY CeeKer. Then this Lawyer does have a problem, maybe that's why she's taking it to the media? I dont' know.
If the allegations are correct and Haleigh was being abused then that fact of the timestamps and memory card erasure could possibly prevent this from making to the judge and if the allegations are true, that is a miscarriage of justice for Haleigh.
I'll be rewatching NG and reading the transcripts! :)
I hope I'm right about that!! At this point my brain is fried! I'm not even sure if I heard the lawyer say it on NG or another show or it's in the article but that's the way I thought it went down. Yes in a court of law not being able to document this abuse with some kind of time stamp on the photos coupled with the fact you can't see JRs face would present problems I would surely imagine for the lawyers and be a miscarriage of justice. I don't know what DCF's burden of proof is, but this would surely be a problem in a Court.
Koozit
03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
It seems to me bio mom is starting to get donations, after all this time she is just now worried about the kids being abused. Seems fishy to me to let the dad have kids for 4 yrs if you feel they are being abused.To me its just to keep money coming in, for such a concerned mother why didnt she try to get her kids back in all these years.School nurse would minimize injuries gotten from the schools monkey bars to cover their own behinds in a lawsuit.The marriage took away from the child but thankfully only a few days,hopefully this will not last long.I believe the mom sees an opportunity to cash in and shes grabbing it.
Bolded by Me
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
She is getting serious air time. Hair and make-up courtesy of???
AGAIN IT SHOULD BE ABOUT WERE IS HALEIGH???? GRRRRR
tfrohning
03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
I think it's mentioned in the Police Report from the night Haleigh disappeared. It's the last document in the Documents thread.
I will look at that thanks, every time the family asked about it they sidetrack it.
Nonni Brenda
03-19-2009, 09:51 PM
Is it me or does NG have a hard on for CS?
It really surprises me actually that she is being so critical of CS & uncritical of Ron. Maybe she looks down on Crystal for losing custody? Maybe she thinks she didn't fight hard enough to keep her babies?? Or see's abused women as weak?
Maybe Ron beat all the fight out of her (CS)?? JMOO
Bolded by me. This is true of Batttered Women's Syndrom. :mad:
Littleone48
03-19-2009, 09:52 PM
My take on NG:
I can't believe that I actually watched her....She is going after Cystal's lawyer simply because the pictures prove nothing and it's taking the focus of Haleigh which should never happen. I won't go into my kids injuries however Haleigh's injury is being made such a big deal about. I predict egg on the lawyers face....
Crystal's lawyer: In it for the publicity. She wants to be one of those talking heads after this is over with. She's playing with the big people now and IMO way out of her element. She is certainly very pretty.
Mark K: Very angry with her and Crystal..very. I have never seen him this angry. IMO they should listen to him.
Other people: Same lines as Mark K. I don't even think that the reporter believes this. He was neutral for both sides. He talked with Ron. Was very positive about what Ron told him.
My Thoughts: What in the h**l are these people thinking??? Jr is in no more danger today than he was 6 months ago! Oh wait, his MOM put him on national TV and let the world know that Jr saw who took his sissy. Why take the focus off from finding Haliegh? From many of the blogs I have read today, this is not looking too good for Crystal's side. Crystal needs to get rid of these people "helping" her!
This case isn't about Ron and Crystal! It's about Haleigh! But because of the antics of the parents that is being lost....sad actually :(
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 09:52 PM
I thought that when I heard on NG about the school and the injury. That if the investigation shows that they did not report it, Crystal has a good civil suit against them. JMHO.
My own experience is if the injury happens at school, the school documents it and notifies the parents or guardian. If a child shows up at school with a suspicious injury, then it's required to be reported to DCF. IDK how it goes in Florida though.
Searchfortruth
03-19-2009, 09:52 PM
I am a NG fan, but after last night and tonight I am rethinking it. I would have expected her to have more sympathy for a young child with bruises because of a "spanking". That is NOT normal discipline. I get the feeling that we might have some in this small town that "look the other way" and that's just a feeling.
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Bolding mine:
Yes I agree Lance, with your statment that I bolded. DCF decides what is abusive and what is not, not NG. But, I was frustrated in another reason, because in my own view this does take the focus off Haleigh (as well as the coverage on the wedding and etc.).
Let me say that I think that we should see NG interviewing LE. They have a spokesperson who speaks to the media, request an interview with him and ask about the dang case. The van, the RSO's etc... something!
I, personally, don't want to see NG take this new lawyer to task. I want to see some investigative reporting going on....to use KC's words "Come' on!" (with my fists clenched and my face pulled out of shape like hers too)
ITA! I feel as if I just watched an hour of mudslinging, nothing on the investigation. If this accusation grows legs, then deal with it, but to spend a whole showing her a** more than usual. I just felt silly for watching it.
mikeysmommom
03-19-2009, 09:54 PM
Is it me or does NG have a hard on for CS?
It really surprises me actually that she is being so critical of CS & uncritical of Ron. Maybe she looks down on Crystal for losing custody? Maybe she thinks she didn't fight hard enough to keep her babies?? Or see's abused women as weak?
Maybe Ron beat all the fight out of her (CS)?? JMOO
Maybe she has seen proof of a lot of allegations the bio mom has made against the father that were unfounded.Maybe Nancy has a hard time believing Ron abused Crystle because what kind of a mother would let an abusive man raise her children all these years.4 years and she never tried fighting for them what does that say about her?JMO
panthera
03-19-2009, 09:55 PM
Yep sure can:)
That's what I was suspecting when I first read about Turner's. It's still possible there was abuse however I think it has more to do with her illness. MOO
Asker
03-19-2009, 09:55 PM
Nancy doesn't want to be hard on Kim Picazio??? Could have fooled me...
It is my opinion that Nancy Grace would say and do anything just to keep "Ms. Neves" (as Nancy calls her dotingly) on her show on a regular basis. If that means sucking up to Ron or defending him on anything from soup to nuts to even possible child abuse it seems to me that Nancy is doing just that. I've lost a lot of respect for her. She isn't acting any more unbiased than GR is.
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 09:56 PM
I am a NG fan, but after last night and tonight I am rethinking it. I would have expected her to have more sympathy for a young child with bruises because of a "spanking". That is NOT normal discipline. I get the feeling that we might have some in this small town that "look the other way" and that's just a feeling.
That show was just strange.
Indigo
03-19-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm still in shock over this NG. I have stressed the need to be objective in this case, but what I saw tonight really disappointed me, as a viewer. She was so bent on shaming the bio mom and her lawyer, the lawyer had to repeat the timeline of school, bruise, photo at least four times.
Then, did I hear correctly? The photo did not show the level of abuse NG and THeads found actionable? There were no cigarette burns, severed limbs (I added that) AND I heard Eleanor say the photo NG was holding of Haleigh looked to her like acceptable discipline?
I knew NG was on a mission, but as a viewer who wants ALL the answers, I felt insulted. Especially when NG psychologist mentioned that child abuse can manifest into bed-wetting. I thought Nancy would recall what Misty said about having to wash the blankets the night before...nothing.
What a waste of an hour...huge waste!
(respectfully bolded) That was really surprising to me. I got the impression she was saying that it falls within acceptable limits to bruise a child with a stick. :eek:
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 09:57 PM
It is my opinion that Nancy Grace would say and do anything just to keep "Ms. Neves" (as Nancy calls her dotingly) on her show on a regular basis. If that means sucking up to Ron or defending him on anything from soup to nuts to even possible child abuse it seems to me that Nancy is doing just that. I've lost a lot of respect for her. She isn't acting any more unbiased than GR is.
I'm so glad you said that. She will do whatever it takes to keep getting the plum interviews. That explains alot...
crazyover88
03-19-2009, 09:57 PM
My take on NG:
I can't believe that I actually watched her....She is going after Cystal's lawyer simply because the pictures prove nothing and it's taking the focus of Haleigh which should never happen. I won't go into my kids injuries however Haleigh's injury is being made such a big deal about. I predict egg on the lawyers face....
Crystal's lawyer: In it for the publicity. She wants to be one of those talking heads after this is over with. She's playing with the big people now and IMO way out of her element. She is certainly very pretty.
Mark K: Very angry with her and Crystal..very. I have never seen him this angry. IMO they should listen to him.
Other people: Same lines as Mark K. I don't even think that the reporter believes this. He was neutral for both sides. He talked with Ron. Was very positive about what Ron told him.
My Thoughts: What in the h**l are these people thinking??? Jr is in no more danger today than he was 6 months ago! Oh wait, his MOM put him on national TV and let the world know that Jr saw who took his sissy. Why take the focus off from finding Haliegh? From many of the blogs I have read today, this is not looking too good for Crystal's side. Crystal needs to get rid of these people "helping" her!
This case isn't about Ron and Crystal! It's about Haleigh! But because of the antics of the parents that is being lost....sad actually :(
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
You said it!!!!!!!!
My own experience is if the injury happens at school, the school documents it and notifies the parents or guardian. If a child shows up at school with a suspicious injury, then it's required to be reported to DCF. IDK how it goes in Florida though.
Right that's how I understand it to work too. I'm going to have to go back and look at NG again Suzi, but she had some docs that were released to her in relation to that injury.
What we then had was the KP (CS's lawyer) suggesting that the injury reported at school was not the injury that Haleigh was seen for at the second ER visit. She said in a very around about way, that she thought that the picture showed a second episode of abuse directly following the fall from the monkey bars?
I'm not sure what she was saying...:) I'm confuzzled.
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 09:58 PM
(respectfully bolded) That was really surprising to me. I got the impression she was saying that it falls within acceptable limits to bruise a child with a stick. :eek:
I think Asker has Nancy figured out. and we know her TH are there to agree with her.
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 09:59 PM
It is my opinion that Nancy Grace would say and do anything just to keep "Ms. Neves" (as Nancy calls her dotingly) on her show on a regular basis. If that means sucking up to Ron or defending him on anything from soup to nuts to even possible child abuse it seems to me that Nancy is doing just that. I've lost a lot of respect for her. She isn't acting any more unbiased than GR is.
:clap::clap::clap:
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 09:59 PM
Suzi any allegation of abuse if valid and should be investigated. LE is investigating these allegations. Common sense would tell us that Putnam County Sheriff's office has finite resourses (resources don't always equal money but people too, they only have five detectives working this case to begin with, I find that a low number myself IMHO).
As for the FBI would they be involved in the investigation of abuse allegations within that county?
Yes, the FBI would be involved in a missing child case and investigate everything that may have led up to and caused the disappearance.
Since most murdered children are murdered during an act of child abuse, I think it's standard operating procedure to look into that aspect and not a drain on resources.
RAELON
03-19-2009, 10:00 PM
I'm still in shock over this NG. I have stressed the need to be objective in this case, but what I saw tonight really disappointed me, as a viewer. She was so bent on shaming the bio mom and her lawyer, the lawyer had to repeat the timeline of school, bruise, photo at least four times.
Then, did I hear correctly? The photo did not show the level of abuse NG and THeads found actionable? There were no cigarette burns, severed limbs (I added that) AND I heard Eleanor say the photo NG was holding of Haleigh looked to her like acceptable discipline?
I knew NG was on a mission, but as a viewer who wants ALL the answers, I felt insulted. Especially when NG psychologist mentioned that child abuse can manifest into bed-wetting. I thought Nancy would recall what Misty said about having to wash the blankets the night before...nothing.
What a waste of an hour...huge waste!
Bolded by me
Nancys definition of abuse( bolded above) is TORTURE to me.:furious:
See Suzi I always appreciate when you post, so logical and direct! :)
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 10:02 PM
It is my opinion that Nancy Grace would say and do anything just to keep "Ms. Neves" (as Nancy calls her dotingly) on her show on a regular basis. If that means sucking up to Ron or defending him on anything from soup to nuts to even possible child abuse it seems to me that Nancy is doing just that. I've lost a lot of respect for her. She isn't acting any more unbiased than GR is.
I dont see sucking up to Ron asking about a picture that Crystal and her lawyer says proves abuse. Especially sinse the child fell at school. Its personally made me have more respect for NG. Maybe there would be less people bringing this to national TV when the focus should be on the child thats missing.There a place for this and thats behind close door.
LancelotLink
03-19-2009, 10:03 PM
Tonight she reminded me of the portrayal of her on Passions, Grace Nancia...
mikeysmommom
03-19-2009, 10:03 PM
My take on NG:
I can't believe that I actually watched her....She is going after Cystal's lawyer simply because the pictures prove nothing and it's taking the focus of Haleigh which should never happen. I won't go into my kids injuries however Haleigh's injury is being made such a big deal about. I predict egg on the lawyers face....
Crystal's lawyer: In it for the publicity. She wants to be one of those talking heads after this is over with. She's playing with the big people now and IMO way out of her element. She is certainly very pretty.
Mark K: Very angry with her and Crystal..very. I have never seen him this angry. IMO they should listen to him.
Other people: Same lines as Mark K. I don't even think that the reporter believes this. He was neutral for both sides. He talked with Ron. Was very positive about what Ron told him.
My Thoughts: What in the h**l are these people thinking??? Jr is in no more danger today than he was 6 months ago! Oh wait, his MOM put him on national TV and let the world know that Jr saw who took his sissy. Why take the focus off from finding Haliegh? From many of the blogs I have read today, this is not looking too good for Crystal's side. Crystal needs to get rid of these people "helping" her!
This case isn't about Ron and Crystal! It's about Haleigh! But because of the antics of the parents that is being lost....sad actually :(
ITA It sure seems like when Donations start rolling in BS starts rolling out.IMO
Looking for Haleigh is what is important at this time .
Well I personally can't draw any conclusions based on pictures and second hand relating of stories through the media.
But here is what I do hope. That the allegations are investigated thoroughly and either proven or disproven. So we can either know that if proven that we need to add that into the reason Haleigh went missing. If disproven we can move forward and look for the reason that Haleigh went missing.
I also hope that once the investigation if finished the results are announced immediately in the media and NG can have a show on it then.
mikeysmommom
03-19-2009, 10:05 PM
I dont see sucking up to Ron asking about a picture that Crystal and her lawyer says proves abuse. Especially sinse the child fell at school. Its personally made me have more respect for NG. Maybe there would be less people bringing this to national TV when the focus should be on the child thats missing.There a place for this and thats behind close door.
I agree and speaking about pictures where are any of the bio mom and the kids.I havent seen one has any one else seen any?Movies the mom took anything with mom and kids did I miss them?
felineforlorn
03-19-2009, 10:07 PM
PinkyPoo, I know you won't agree with this but they are looking for Haleigh. The mother obviously thinks that the father, and/or the father's girlfriend might have killed Haleigh. They have reason to think this in my opinion by their behavior. jmo
But she's also reporting that Junior saw a black man in black take sissy.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Right that's how I understand it to work too. I'm going to have to go back and look at NG again Suzi, but she had some docs that were released to her in relation to that injury.
What we then had was the KP (CS's lawyer) suggesting that the injury reported at school was not the injury that Haleigh was seen for at the second ER visit. She said in a very around about way, that she thought that the picture showed a second episode of abuse directly following the fall from the monkey bars?
I'm not sure what she was saying...:) I'm confuzzled.
I understand that there is two alleged incidents. The minor one on 11-6 and another abusive one sometime before 11-12. If Ron took Haleigh to the ER or doc on Nov 6th, I want to see what that report says about the injuries. They many confirm a serious injury that first day even though the school wrote it up as being minor. A doc might find more than a teacher would.
Koozit
03-19-2009, 10:08 PM
My own experience is if the injury happens at school, the school documents it and notifies the parents or guardian. If a child shows up at school with a suspicious injury, then it's required to be reported to DCF. IDK how it goes in Florida though.
bolded by me
My daughter sat in the nurses office at school for 2 hours after trying to get a hold of me by phone one time after she broke her arm on the monkey bars. Then she was sent back to class with an icepack on her wrist. I saw the call on the caller ID and called the school and picked her up an took her to the ER.
That was almost 20 years ago.
Tonight she reminded me of the portrayal of her on Passions, Grace Nancia...
I need a LOL button for that post lance!
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 10:09 PM
I agree and speaking about pictures where are any of the bio mom and the kids.I havent seen one has any one else seen any?Movies the mom took anything with mom and kids did I miss them?
I believe there has been some home video's of the kids when they were with her. But I havent seen any with the mom in them. Doesnt mean that they dont have any just that they havent released any.
Jholi
03-19-2009, 10:10 PM
I dont see sucking up to Ron asking about a picture that Crystal and her lawyer says proves abuse. Especially sinse the child fell at school. Its personally made me have more respect for NG. Maybe there would be less people bringing this to national TV when the focus should be on the child thats missing.There a place for this and thats behind close door.
I wouldn't either, all by itself. Asking about something is cool. And I don't completely disagree with her.
But NG's bias is apparent throughout her shows - from which questions and how and to whom she asks them, to the clips and entire presentation. It reeks. :sick:
(I don't know why, but I can't stop thinking about the Duke Lacrosse boys. I guess it's because I can't get over how quickly she makes up her mind and digs into her position so staunchly. :crazy: )
nnglas
03-19-2009, 10:10 PM
You know I have alot of respect for Mark Klaus, however I think that he is not thinking about a very large glaring difference with his case and this one.......It did not take police 6 weeks to clear him. The fact that the police are not able to clear those closes to this child are disturbing and huge red flags. Why haven't the people that live in the house been cleared?
I understand that there is two alleged incidents. The minor one on 11-6 and another abusive one sometime before 11-12. If Ron took Haleigh to the ER or doc on Nov 6th, I want to see what that report says about the injuries. They many confirm a serious injury that first day even though the school wrote it up as being minor. A doc might find more than a teacher would.
I want to see both reports. I agree, that's the only way we can put this together, by looking at doc's reports along with the school report.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 10:11 PM
Well I personally can't draw any conclusions based on pictures and second hand relating of stories through the media.
But here is what I do hope. That the allegations are investigated thoroughly and either proven or disproven. So we can either know that if proven that we need to add that into the reason Haleigh went missing. If disproven we can move forward and look for the reason that Haleigh went missing.
I also hope that once the investigation if finished the results are announced immediately in the media and NG can have a show on it then.
This is where I'm at as well. I have no idea if there was abuse going on. But I hope it's looked into because it could be the reason Haleigh is gone.
SuziQ
03-19-2009, 10:14 PM
bolded by me
My daughter sat in the nurses office at school for 2 hours after trying to get a hold of me by phone one time after she broke her arm on the monkey bars. Then she was sent back to class with an icepack on her wrist. I saw the call on the caller ID and called the school and picked her up an took her to the ER.
That was almost 20 years ago.
I wasn't making a point. I was clarifying what my knowledge of school procedures are currently when a child is injured vs when abuse is suspected. By law teachers and school admin among others, are required to report suspected abuse to DCF. School injuries are only required parental notification.
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 10:16 PM
I wouldn't either, all by itself. Asking about something is cool. And I don't completely disagree with her.
But NG's bias is apparent throughout her shows - from which questions and how and to whom she asks them, to the clips and entire presentation. It reeks. :sick:
I don't know why, but I can't stop thinking about the Duke Lacrosse boys. I guess it's because I can't get over how quickly she makes up her mind and digs into her positions so staunchly. lol
Maybe so but I have seen all the press and all the shows of Crystal side and her accusation it just seems right someone would really look into it and ask the tough questions. I cant fault NG for that. lol she does take a position thats for sure.
Inana
03-19-2009, 10:19 PM
So, does Nancy's support mean she would leave her twins with Ron and Misty to baby-sit? There is a vacancy Nanc.
O/T but I have a duty to inform. Not legally in the civilian world but in the military world. This would be in relation to the postions that I hold, and now I work mainly with the management of volunteers, advising them.
Here's the point I'm trying to make. I have a hard time concluding that a *lot* of people who fall under the statute of having a duty to inform would not inform, or outright lie. Yes, there may be some that do, but I think the majority of people would evaluate that if they chose to lie while in a postion of having a duty to inform and to be prosecuted if they fail in that duty and decide on whether they wanted to inform or let their hard work, years of education fall to the wayside for whatever reason.
Just playing devils advocate as to why I don't think that the school would cover up ongoing abuse of Haleigh. JMHO.
(mods yes it relates to the topic of NG tonight in a very around about way :))
Asker
03-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Couldn't that be the reason then for the bed wetting?
What bed wetting? Because MC claims in some of her versions that she washed a blanket with pee on it? MC's various stories cannot be relied on to be true.
Also...when my little girl used to wet her bed I had to strip the bed down to the plastic mattress cover and wash *everything.* Sheets, blankets, bed pad.
Funny how MC never mentioned anything on Haleigh's bed having pee or a pee smell on it except for the blanket which covers the child up and not the fitted sheet etc. that Haleigh would have been lying on top of.
I do not believe there was pee or a pee smell and the whole blanket thing on MC's part is about a *missing* blanket rather than an allegedly washed blanket or blankets. Remember what was found with Caylee.
cuppy199
03-19-2009, 10:22 PM
You know I have alot of respect for Mark Klaus, however I think that he is not thinking about a very large glaring difference with his case and this one.......It did not take police 6 weeks to clear him. The fact that the police are not able to clear those closes to this child are disturbing and huge red flags. Why haven't the people that live in the house been cleared?
True but last I heard the mother isnt cleared either. But I personally respect and admire Mark and trust his judgement. Like I said before I could eat crow later on but IMO I just dont buy this abuse and I dont think Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh missing. Now Misty Im not sure about but time will tell.
felineforlorn
03-19-2009, 10:23 PM
I'm glad it's over. Now CS lawyer can go back to her hotel and decide what outfit to wear on the show tomorrow night. Because lets face it, thats whats really inportant here. ;)
Picasio never did answer what the CAT scan revealed. (nothing)
They probably did the scan cuz she'd had the monkey bar incident at school and was throwing up (which turned out to be Ecoli...not a head injury / concussion). Look at N Richardson (talk and die syndrome) so I do not see a big deal with them ordering the cat scan 6 days after the fall. Ron did take her to the hospital after all. If she'd been with Crystal all along, she may not have made it to the Dr / ER at all. Picasio said the fall at school was minor. IMO falling off monkey bars onto your face or striking your face on the way down is not minor. Yes how do we know those other pics of bruised kids arm is JR, there is no face in the photos, could be pulled off the internet even. (Not saying they are, but also saying that isn't proof). Sorry, not all of these issues are in response to the msg I quoted, just blabbing out loud.
SeriouslySearching
03-19-2009, 10:25 PM
I understand that there is two alleged incidents. The minor one on 11-6 and another abusive one sometime before 11-12. If Ron took Haleigh to the ER or doc on Nov 6th, I want to see what that report says about the injuries. They many confirm a serious injury that first day even though the school wrote it up as being minor. A doc might find more than a teacher would.Where is the second alleged incident? This is all related to the single incident at school. By the 12th, her condition appeared to have worsened because of the eyes looking blackened and Ronald wanted her checked out. This is when they decided the Doctor should do a CAT scan. There was no sign of internal injuries caused by the fall. I would have to assume by the 16th she was doing much better or she would not have been at Crystal's. The injury sustained at school is the same injury as depicted in the photos at a different stage in healing. The school has verified this. The attorney is barking up the wrong tree and trumping up a school incident to further her agenda. Wrong on so many, many levels!
Littleone48
03-19-2009, 10:25 PM
But she's also reporting that Junior saw a black man in black take sissy.
Correct! They are saying two things. Crystal has Jr on GR saying that he "saw" who took his sissy which means that abuse by Ron or Misty had nothing to do with it! IIRC, Jr also said that yes, Misty was there.
I just don't get it :waitasec:
felineforlorn
03-19-2009, 10:26 PM
I'm watching it again as I swear I also heard Nancy say that her crew was unable to find any other DCFS reports on Ron other than the ones from Crystal and her mom. None from school, hospital, or his former girlfriend. Did anyone else hear that?
ADD: What she says is they were unable to find any other dcfs reports other than those that were made by CS and her LAWYER.
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