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badhorsie
04-08-2009, 06:44 AM
Isit true that the Mccanns are lined up for an interview by Ophra?
Rumour across the pond is that it is imminent.
What sort of interviewer is she?
Does she have good researchers?
:blowkiss: Behaving myself in sunny Dorset:blowkiss:
Isabella
04-08-2009, 06:57 AM
Hi :)
I just read about that - I am not actually sure its true in all honesty. There was rumours they was going on there last May but then they said they couldnt talk because they were arguidos. The clothes they are wearing in the poster where they are meant to be going on Oprah were clothes they wore to an interview last year so i think someone is kinda mistaken.
Regarding how good Oprahs researchers are. I do know a copy of Anthony Bennetts book was sent to her about the case so obviously they would know about some of the discrepancies. However in some cases...people only appear on these shows..if they know the questions to be asked BEFORE the show..so they can control the interview basically..
The other thing of course...Poor Kate was so "devastated" and so couldnt go to Portugal where they are doing a supposed *Cough* realistic reconstruction of the events of May 3rd...so surely she couldnt possibly go to America just to do an interview right? I mean..Madeleine isnt there after all...and she only wants to find her daughter right? :rolleyes: What other possible reason could there be to do Oprah?
Btw how much does she pay for interviews?
Texana
04-08-2009, 08:12 PM
Oprah doesn't pay for interviews, reportedly.
She doesn't seem to have anyone on the show she's not sympathetic to, I believe. It's kind of the "Oprah" stamp of approval.
Nothing's been publicly said lately here about that...at least not that I've heard in a long while.
Isabella
04-08-2009, 08:19 PM
Oprah doesn't pay for interviews, reportedly.
She doesn't seem to have anyone on the show she's not sympathetic to, I believe. It's kind of the "Oprah" stamp of approval.
Nothing's been publicly said lately here about that...at least not that I've heard in a long while.
Tex when you say she doesnt pay for interviews ..does that also include not paying for ie photos etc which is how some of your interviewers seem to get around that.
Texana
04-08-2009, 09:28 PM
Tex when you say she doesnt pay for interviews ..does that also include not paying for ie photos etc which is how some of your interviewers seem to get around that.
She doesn't pay, quote unquote, directly for interviews but I'm sure all other expenses are covered. So if you want a nice vacation--there you go. And you are right, other things such as "compensation" for publicity shots or commercials, who knows. Corporate lawyers write all of that up and they are wise in getting around mere words.
And it was made clear in the recent elections here, Oprah doesn't have people on her show she doesn't like or doesn't want to promote.
Barnaby
04-15-2009, 08:44 PM
http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/105907
Isabella
04-16-2009, 08:16 AM
http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/105907
Hmm some interesting comments on there,,,the most of them saying they believe Madeleine is dead.
Our very own Jayelles has posted on there. Well i assume its her at least. Her remark....that justice can only be achieved for Madeleine if people accept that shes alive - i really dont get. The facts dont support her being alive so why must everyone believe she is if they want justice?
Jayelles
04-16-2009, 09:14 AM
Hmm some interesting comments on there,,,the most of them saying they believe Madeleine is dead.
Our very own Jayelles has posted on there. Well i assume its her at least. Her remark....that justice can only be achieved for Madeleine if people accept that shes alive - i really dont get. The facts dont support her being alive so why must everyone believe she is if they want justice?
Perhaps I assist you with comprehension Isabella.
1. There is no concete proof that Madeleine McCann is dead which means
2. That she may well be alive and in need of our support in finding her
3. To assume that she is dead without concrete proof that it is the case
4. Means ignoring the plight of this little girl - how is that justice?
Justice for this little girl is continuing to look for her as long as there is no concrete proof that she is dead. As long as there is no proof Madeleine is dead, I will continue to hope she is alive and continue to support the search for her.
I'm far more concerned with finding Madeleine than I am in her parents. I simply don't understand the obsession with her parents. If they killed her then they should face the consequences - but only once it has been proved that they did kill her (or conceal her or cover up her death lest we get into unproductive debates about that too).
Finding Madeleine is the priority. There is no statute of limitations on murder if that turned out to be the case.
I'd rather be lynched for supporting the search for Madeleine than to be part of the vile campaign to thwart it.
Isabella
04-16-2009, 10:36 AM
Perhaps I assist you with comprehension Isabella.
1. There is no concete proof that Madeleine McCann is dead which means
2. That she may well be alive and in need of our support in finding her
3. To assume that she is dead without concrete proof that it is the case
4. Means ignoring the plight of this little girl - how is that justice?
Justice for this little girl is continuing to look for her as long as there is no concrete proof that she is dead. As long as there is no proof Madeleine is dead, I will continue to hope she is alive and continue to support the search for her.
I'm far more concerned with finding Madeleine than I am in her parents. I simply don't understand the obsession with her parents. If they killed her then they should face the consequences - but only once it has been proved that they did kill her (or conceal her or cover up her death lest we get into unproductive debates about that too).
Finding Madeleine is the priority. There is no statute of limitations on murder if that turned out to be the case.
I'd rather be lynched for supporting the search for Madeleine than to be part of the vile campaign to thwart it.
My honest opinion ... i dont get how anyone can say that...no one...and i repeat no one has tried to thwart this case more than the McCanns and there friends...and yet you support there actions :confused:
I would think...or hope that anyone who wants justice for Madeleine would be open minded enough to look at ALL options and not just treat the parents as some kind of Saints.
Btw..although i disagree most strongly with your views i will say your doing well on there seeing as overwhelmingly most there are saying the parents are guilty....oh..and British people at that ;)
Finding Madeleine is the priority. There is no statute of limitations on murder if that turned out to be the case.
Finding Madeline SHOULD be the priority, but it doesn't look to me like it is, because to take one person's hunch, or another person's opinion that she may be dead and believe it to the extent that LE stops searching is a travesty for this child. Madeline is the innocent one here, why should she not be found? Why should she not receive justice for the crimes against her whatever they end up being, and by whomever. Who did this should be secondary to finding this little girl or her remains. There is time enough for battling the who-dunnit portion after she is found, and like you said, there is no statute of limitations on murder, so no one should feel under a time crunch. Just find the missing child!
Are the McCanns *still* looking?
Anyone got a link to the searches they made?
(You can exclude the 5 hours or so on May 4th).
Isabella
04-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Are the McCanns *still* looking?
Anyone got a link to the searches they made?
(You can exclude the 5 hours or so on May 4th).
Kate McCann said herself on a tv show (so no it wasnt tabloid rumour ) that she had not searched for her daughter. In the very same interview she berated holiday makers etc for not looking more for her daughter..which i think is a damn cheek!:furious:
Isabella
04-16-2009, 07:15 PM
Finding Madeline SHOULD be the priority, but it doesn't look to me like it is, because to take one person's hunch, or another person's opinion that she may be dead and believe it to the extent that LE stops searching is a travesty for this child. Madeline is the innocent one here, why should she not be found? Why should she not receive justice for the crimes against her whatever they end up being, and by whomever. Who did this should be secondary to finding this little girl or her remains. There is time enough for battling the who-dunnit portion after she is found, and like you said, there is no statute of limitations on murder, so no one should feel under a time crunch. Just find the missing child!
Moab the FACT is..we have only seen a tiny amount of the files. Unlike the PP and Amaral. It is NOT a hunch with them...the fact is...various pjs etc have all DISCOUNTED the kidnapping theory...to my knowledge not ONE has said yes they think its a kidnap.
Ok you believe she was kidnapped. Ok fine..for starters..tell me..why did Kate tell people her blinds were broken and thats how the kidnapper got in? From the very first night the parents lied. Why?? Do parents normally lie like that when there child has been kidnapped? She claims...she walked in and saw Madeleine was missing. There were people in adjoining apartments..did she ask them to mind the twins while she went to get Gerry? No...after supposedly believing her chlild had been kidnapped she decided to again leave the twins with a supposed kidnapper hanging around leaving them open to abduction. Then the doors were locked. Well then they wasnt. None of there actions seem remotely believeable and then there are two supposed possible witnesses. One was a friend of the McCanns ..and again she changed her story...and her description was pathetic and yet the McCanns threatened to sue if the description wasnt published. Then we get the Martin Smith sighting...and he is totally independant...and yet the Mccanns totally ignore this sighting..even tho he said the guy was 35-40 and wearing beige trousers ...the same as Tanner said..of course the fact that Smith alleges it was possibly Gerry im sure has nothing to do with it...:rolleyes:
I am sure that everyone would prefer that Madeleiene was alive - and im sure....that whatever happened that everyone would love to not th ink the parents were involved - the sad fact is though..there is not one scrap of evidence pointing to a kidnapping....not one.
Texana
04-16-2009, 08:28 PM
Perhaps I assist you with comprehension Isabella.
1. There is no concete proof that Madeleine McCann is dead which means
2. That she may well be alive and in need of our support in finding her
3. To assume that she is dead without concrete proof that it is the case
4. Means ignoring the plight of this little girl - how is that justice?
Justice for this little girl is continuing to look for her as long as there is no concrete proof that she is dead. As long as there is no proof Madeleine is dead, I will continue to hope she is alive and continue to support the search for her.
I'm far more concerned with finding Madeleine than I am in her parents. I simply don't understand the obsession with her parents. If they killed her then they should face the consequences - but only once it has been proved that they did kill her (or conceal her or cover up her death lest we get into unproductive debates about that too).
Finding Madeleine is the priority. There is no statute of limitations on murder if that turned out to be the case.
I'd rather be lynched for supporting the search for Madeleine than to be part of the vile campaign to thwart it.
There is no concrete evidence she is alive.
There is more evidence that she is not, given the alerts of the cadaver dog in the McCanns' apartment and the rental car.
Finding Madeleine is not the logical priority. Finding out what happened that night--or the night prior--is the priority. Then we know if there is even a chance there is a live child to find in the end.
Justice for Madeleine means taking a logical, non-emotional look at the evidence and facts.
And as well, for ignoring Madeleine's "plight," Kate McCann said in the early days that she "sleeps very well."
Texana
04-16-2009, 08:37 PM
Finding Madeline SHOULD be the priority, but it doesn't look to me like it is, because to take one person's hunch, or another person's opinion that she may be dead and believe it to the extent that LE stops searching is a travesty for this child. Madeline is the innocent one here, why should she not be found? Why should she not receive justice for the crimes against her whatever they end up being, and by whomever. Who did this should be secondary to finding this little girl or her remains. There is time enough for battling the who-dunnit portion after she is found, and like you said, there is no statute of limitations on murder, so no one should feel under a time crunch. Just find the missing child!
Moab, with all due respect, she can't be found if she's dead.
If there is no credible evidence for an abduction, and solid evidence for her death, then looking for her remains is a needle-in-haystack kind of act. You should check out the scientific facts for how long a human body will remain intact anywhere. It is an amazingly short amount of time before a human body disappears, absent chemical interventions such as a mortuary would provide. Two words: Natural chemistry and wild animals. It is, what it is.
For example, experts surmise that with Ted Bundy's victims, remains disappeared within less than a year. Chondra Levy's remains are a good examples as well. The phrase, "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" is a centuries old statement because it is truth.
Moab the FACT is..we have only seen a tiny amount of the files. Unlike the PP and Amaral. It is NOT a hunch with them...the fact is...various pjs etc have all DISCOUNTED the kidnapping theory...to my knowledge not ONE has said yes they think its a kidnap.
You are missing my point. In order for them to know it is "not" something, they should then know what it "is". Just like if you know one person is "not" guilty, it is because you know another person "is" guilty.
It doesn't make any difference if "we" have seen the files. It is not our job to make the decision whether or not to look! For those whose job it is to find this missing girl - they are not doing their job! Let me define "missing" as kidnapped, abducted, sold, spirited off to a pedophile ring, held against her will, or dead so you will quit trying to tell me I think she was kidnapped.
This little girl is missing. She deserves to be found, not given up on.
I am sure that everyone would prefer that Madeleiene was alive - and im sure....that whatever happened that everyone would love to not th ink the parents were involved - the sad fact is though..there is not one scrap of evidence pointing to a kidnapping....not one.
There is insurmountable evidence however of the existence of a little girl and no one seems to know where she is, or even cares. That is my issue. And of course, I would prefer she be alive, what human wouldn't?
Moab, with all due respect, she can't be found if she's dead.
What kind of statement is that? Bodies and /or bones are found every day.
If there is no credible evidence for an abduction, and solid evidence for her death, then looking for her remains is a needle-in-haystack kind of act. You should check out the scientific facts for how long a human body will remain intact anywhere. It is an amazingly short amount of time before a human body disappears, absent chemical interventions such as a mortuary would provide. Two words: Natural chemistry and wild animals. It is, what it is.
I am painfully aware of the scientific facts, Texana, and with the same due respect, thank you for the reminder. I am also aware that only 40 pounds of Lori Hacking were found, and that a small animal ravaged Danielle VanDam were found, and that Chandra Levey was able to be identified when her remains were found, as were the others. My issue is not can they be identified, my issue is why are they not looking.
Isabella
04-17-2009, 08:44 AM
What kind of statement is that? Bodies and /or bones are found every day.
I am painfully aware of the scientific facts, Texana, and with the same due respect, thank you for the reminder. I am also aware that only 40 pounds of Lori Hacking were found, and that a small animal ravaged Danielle VanDam were found, and that Chandra Levey was able to be identified when her remains were found, as were the others. My issue is not can they be identified, my issue is why are they not looking.
Because they have no idea where to start even? In addition with the case being closed...its not down to the pjs to look unfortunately.
For that matter why arent the parents? Wasting money on thousands of posters of a little girl that are years out of date isnt exactly helpng IMO
Madeleine was never a missing child in the true sense of the word.
She died on a warm night in May, let down by her parents, sidelined by the police forces of 2 countries, the victim of political pressure.
So many missed chances for justice by so many people. :mad:
I'm hoping that Amaral can make a difference, I emailed him several times to thank him. I wonder if Oprah would invite him too? HE would be a great advocate for justice for children.
april4sky
04-17-2009, 10:32 PM
Madeleine was never a missing child in the true sense of the word.
She died on a warm night in May, let down by her parents, sidelined by the police forces of 2 countries, the victim of political pressure.
So many missed chances for justice by so many people. :mad:
I'm hoping that Amaral can make a difference, I emailed him several times to thank him. I wonder if Oprah would invite him too? HE would be a great advocate for justice for children.Is this your "opinion" or do you have proof. :waitasec:
If you do maybe you can pass it on to the PJ.
Isabella
04-17-2009, 11:08 PM
Is this your "opinion" or do you have proof. :waitasec:
If you do maybe you can pass it on to the PJ.
The pjs agree with NSS...
april4sky
04-17-2009, 11:44 PM
The pjs agree with NSS...Isabella disgraced ex-cop Amaral is not the PJ.
Check out the final report!! :)
Isabella
04-18-2009, 04:02 AM
Isabella disgraced ex-cop Amaral is not the PJ.
Check out the final report!! :)
*yawns*
The disgraced ex cop mantra gets very boring to be honest
If he is disgraced...i hate to think what the British ones involved in the case were. The simple fact is he was removed from the case for critisicing British police...not for his work. And. his accusations have proven to be founded. So he is not disgraced at all...i would say he is honourable in fact.
Show me just one link from any pj where they believe Madeleine was kidnapped. Just one.
TIA
april4sky
04-18-2009, 04:27 AM
Respectfully snipped...*yawns*
The disgraced ex cop mantra gets very boring to be honest
Isabella to be honest, :) it's the truth regardless of whether or not you find it boring.
And you obviously haven't read the final report because "according to the PJ" abduction is still on the table.
Because they have no idea where to start even?
If this were my child, or your child, I don't think this would be much of a reason, do you? Utah is 82,143.65 square miles, and when one is searching that one square foot at a time, it becomes a big place, yet people continued to search for Elizabeth Smart for 9 months.
Seriously Isabella, would you accept "they have no idea where to look" if this were your child?
In addition with the case being closed...its not down to the pjs to look unfortunately.
Cases grow cold, but they are never closed until they are resolved.
For that matter why arent the parents? Wasting money on thousands of posters of a little girl that are years out of date isnt exactly helpng IMO
Aren't they ready to release some time-progression photos to what Madeline would look like now?
Madeleine was never a missing child in the true sense of the word.
Actually, if she was in the apartment alive and then gone, yes she was a missing person in the true sense of the word.
Isabella
04-18-2009, 01:11 PM
Respectfully snipped...
Isabella to be honest, :) it's the truth regardless of whether or not you find it boring.
And you obviously haven't read the final report because "according to the PJ" abduction is still on the table.
The fact is it is NOT true. He accused the British police of trying to help the McCanns rather than do as they should have been doing. It has been PROVEN that Amaral was right in what he said. That does NOT make him disgraced..it just disgraces the British cops.
Yes ive read the final report..and ive read lots of statements...and not ONE pj has said he beleives she was kidnapped.
Oh and for the record even when he was removed from the case for trashing the British cops..he was still very much in the thick of the case...so..it says the one who took over doesnt think he was disgraced or wrong in his findings
MOO
Isabella
04-18-2009, 01:24 PM
If this were my child, or your child, I don't think this would be much of a reason, do you? Utah is 82,143.65 square miles, and when one is searching that one square foot at a time, it becomes a big place, yet people continued to search for Elizabeth Smart for 9 months.
Seriously Isabella, would you accept "they have no idea where to look" if this were your child?
Cases grow cold, but they are never closed until they are resolved.
Aren't they ready to release some time-progression photos to what Madeline would look like now?
Seriously...if this was my child..this would never have happened. Its that simple to be honest.
IF...and i say IF my child was kidnapped...i would be looking at my friends..i would be asking them how they claim they was somewhere where others said she wasnt. I would answer all questions. I would not wash cuddlecat when i knew cops were coming. If..i believed my child was kidnapped i wouldnt have vacated the room and left the other children alone. I wouldnt have had every Tom Dick and Harry in the apartment. I wouldnt have been more interested in getting the press involved then looking for my missing daughter. Hell i wouldnt been playing tennis instead of looking for my missing daughter. I would not have hired a bunch of thugs..and..if i was made a arguido...i would have done everything i could to prove to the cops i was innocent. I would not RUN to another country. If i had been allowed to leave Portugal...i would have kept to the promise they made at the time..they would go back every couple of months. When the pjs wanted to question me and my friends..i would have made sure we did it...cos...anything to find my daughter woud be the important thing. I would not make the pjs fight for months just to be able to ask questions to find my child. If they wanted to do a reconstruction i would have made sure we did it...so...i can honestly say that i wouldnt act the way they do.
Regarding these photos...just last month Gerry and other people went to PDL and handed out posters...of a child much younger than Madeleiene was then let alone now. Gerry etc stayed in one of the most expensive hotels..courtesy of the fund ofc..then complains the fund will be empty by Christmas. The pictures that are being released of her looking older are not by the McCanns. Its some American company thats going to b e on Oprah. Any logical person would have waited til they had these photos and THEN did the posters in PDL.
But then..i did say a logical person i guess
Isabella
04-18-2009, 01:25 PM
Actually, if she was in the apartment alive and then gone, yes she was a missing person in the true sense of the word.
So whose blood was in the apartment then?
Actually, if she was in the apartment alive and then gone, yes she was a missing person in the true sense of the word.
Missing = no-one knew where to find her, but her parents knew.
They reported her 'abducted', but that doesn't make it so.
No evidence of an abduction or abductor was ever found.
The PJ say the child died in the apartment on May 3rd, but that doesn't make it so.
Evidence of cadaver dogs, blood spatter, decomposition and hair in the back of a rental car, added to the bahaviour of the parents and their friends.
I'll go with the evidence.
Isabella
04-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Respectfully snipped...
Isabella to be honest, :) it's the truth regardless of whether or not you find it boring.
And you obviously haven't read the final report because "according to the PJ" abduction is still on the table.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-payne-may-hold-key-to-maddies.html
Regarding Amaral criticising the British police and therefore getting replaced..
The statement here was given in May 2007 by two very concerned Doctors. It was EIGHT MONTHS before this statement was given to the PJS. Due to the content of the statements i think it was DISGUSTING that the British Police withheld this vital information from the Pjs especially in light of the fact that David Payne was (accordng to the McCanns statements ) one of the last people to see Madeleiene that night. The fact he wouldnt answer a lot of questions i also find unsettling..also the fact that one of the McCanns said he was there a few seconds and the other for half an hour. I also would like to know just how that Social Services woman recognized him. Furthermore i would like to know..when being questioned and asked if there was anything else he would like to say about the case he said yes but not right now. What was it he couldnt say in an interview?
Finally i would like to know...why isnt he threatening to sue anyone with all the allegations currently out about him?
Claycat
04-18-2009, 07:48 PM
The McCanns are really going to be on the Oprah show.
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=1006-2
Isabella
04-18-2009, 07:55 PM
The McCanns are really going to be on the Oprah show.
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=1006-2
It was actually confirmed some time ago. Its funny though...Kate was " too frail" to go to Portugal and "help to find her daughter" and yet shes just fine to fly to America and go on Oprah.
Oh well..i guess most of us always knew what she considered most important :rolleyes:
Poor Madeleine...she deserved so much better ;(
Claycat
04-18-2009, 10:13 PM
On that we can agree! Madeleine did deserve better!
Do you know the McCanns personally?
Texana
04-18-2009, 10:57 PM
On that we can agree! Madeleine did deserve better!
Do you know the McCanns personally?
Do you?
As if it mattered who knows the McCanns or not.
There's an old saying in the United States, reputation is what people say you are, character is what you do.
So in the end, anyone can indeed judge us fairly...based on what we do.
Claycat
04-18-2009, 11:05 PM
It was a valid question.
How would I know them? I am stuck right in the middle of our lousy state. If I had enough money to go very far, I would be searching for some of these children myself.
Missing = no-one knew where to find her, but her parents knew.
And you have proof of this?
They reported her 'abducted', but that doesn't make it so.
And it doesn't make it not so!
No evidence of an abduction or abductor was ever found.
Every evidence of an abduction. Child was there, child was gone.
The PJ say the child died in the apartment on May 3rd, but that doesn't make it so.
I agree, but since that is a positive statement, I'm not sure if you meant it.
Evidence of cadaver dogs, blood spatter, decomposition and hair in the back of a rental car, added to the bahaviour of the parents and their friends.
I don't see how any of this "added to the bahaviour of the parents and their friends. That statement makes no sense. The dog searches were laughable at best, although the dogs seems to be pretty good dogs. Bet there is a hair in your car too!
I'll go with the evidence.
Well actually, who would have that evidence? Obviously not the Pj's or they would never have released the McCanns from being suspects.
rmmbr_Cara
04-19-2009, 04:16 PM
The McCanns are really going to be on the Oprah show.
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=1006-2
Coming to America. To beg for money. But Oprah wants to talk about Madeleine.
McCanns: Who is Madeleine?
Isabella
04-19-2009, 04:23 PM
Coming to America. To beg for money. But Oprah wants to talk about Madeleine.
McCanns: Who is Madeleine?
She is the one who keeps them in money and gives them the attention they or at least Gerry craves.
Funny thing is...Gerry claims he hates the attention and the stories about him and yet when Sir Christopher Meyer offered to make sure the stories stopped...Gerry said no...and as Meyer said..how do you go against the wishes of the parents?
He also advised Gerry to go to the Press complaints committee. Instead Gerry chose to sue for money :rolleyes:
Funny thing is...the Pjs got the blame for releasing so much stuff to the press but who knows...maybe the McCanns or someone on there behalf did it just so they could sue the papers...and ofc say well it has to be the Pjs doing this.
It was noted that even while being questioned at the Portimao Pj place McGuiness was texting to outside people what was happening in the interview room
Funny thing is...Gerry claims he hates the attention and the stories about him and yet when Sir Christopher Meyer offered to make sure the stories stopped...Gerry said no...and as Meyer said..how do you go against the wishes of the parents?
To stop the publicity and the stories about the family would also stop the attention to Madeline, which is why parents of missing children put up with all the crap. To stop it would detract the focus from the missing child.
Isabella
04-20-2009, 12:34 PM
To stop the publicity and the stories about the family would also stop the attention to Madeline, which is why parents of missing children put up with all the crap. To stop it would detract the focus from the missing child.
Not really..they could have printed stories about Madeleiene still..just not about the McCanns...likewise..they could have gone to the PCC which would have meant the press couldnt print what they wanted...instead he chose to sue the Express which meant others could print as they liked..
As always with the McCanns...its about the money
As Gerry said himself.. " shes a commodity "
Not really..they could have printed stories about Madeleiene still..just not about the McCanns...likewise..they could have gone to the PCC which would have meant the press couldnt print what they wanted...instead he chose to sue the Express which meant others could print as they liked..
As always with the McCanns...its about the money
As Gerry said himself.. " shes a commodity "
If you can control the media and what they print, then more power to you. Most people can't! Parents of abducted children go through a lot of stuff with the media and the police. Instead of having it detract for the investigation into their missing child, they put up with it and deal with it later after the case is resolved. If you think otherwise, you are naive.
Barnaby
04-21-2009, 10:22 PM
PRESS RELEASE - Oprah Winfrey's McCann Parent Interview
British groups challenge Oprah Winfrey’s decision to interview parents of missing Madeleine McCann
A media release, 20 April 2009, to the U.S. media from The Madeleine Foundation - an organisation founded to campaign for truth and justice for missing Madeleine McCann
British groups and individuals concerned about what really happened to missing Madeleine McCann have been challenging Oprah Winfrey to ask tough questions to Madeleine’s parents when they appear on her show on 4th May - two years after their daughter Madeleine was reported missing.
Their concern is based on the belief that Madeleine McCann died in the McCanns’ holiday apartment in Portugal. That view was reinforced when the original senior detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, published a book on the case last year, titled: ‘The Truth About A Lie’, in which he explained how the evidence pointed to Madeleine having died as a result of an accident in her parents’ apartment. He was removed from the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance amid strong suggestions of British government interference in the enquiry. He then resigned from the police force in order, he said, to bring the world the truth about the ‘disappearance’ of Madeleine. Last week (14 April) a documentary based on his book was shown on Portuguese T.V. and will shortly be seen on many other European T.V. stations - but not in Britain. Mr Amaral’s book has been translated and published in many European countries - but again, not in Britain.
In December last year, The Madeleine Foundation published a 64-page booklet: “What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann? - 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted”. This booklet has been translated into Spanish, German and Dutch, has received extensive publicity in Portugal (but once again not in Britain) and was recently sent to every Member of the British Parliament. The Madeleine Foundation sent a copy to Oprah Winfrey several weeks ago when the McCanns’ appearance on her show was first rumoured.
A crucial piece of evidence in the case came in August 2007 when
two highly trained British sniffer dogs came to Praia da Luz. One, Eddie, had a 100% success rate in detecting the scent of a human corpse, and found the smell of death at four places in the McCanns' holiday apartment, on two of Dr Kate McCann's clothes, on one of the children's clothes, on Madeleine's pink soft toy, Cuddle Cat, and in two locations in a car later hired by the McCanns. The other dog, Keela, found blood in some of the same locations. The only corpse that could have lain next to all of those items would have been that of Madeleine McCann. A neighbour made a formal deposition to the Portuguese police saying that in the weeks before the dogs arrived, she saw the boot of the McCanns’ hired car open all night long, every night.
The investigation was suspended by the Portuguese judicial authorities in July 2008, there being insufficient evidence to charge anyone with a criminal offence. However, in a 58-page report, the Attorney-General said that there was evidence that Madeleine had died in her parents’ apartment, but that it could not be proved how she died. Unlike in Britain and the U.S., the Portuguese police have now released for public viewing on DVDs thousands of documents in the case, including dozens of witness statements, videos of the cadaver dogs in action etc. These are being analysed by hundreds of volunteers on the internet - see list of sources below.
The British groups campaigning for the truth about Madeleine McCann have been writing to Oprah Winfrey suggesting she ask key questions of the McCanns, fearing that, as with other recent Oprah interviews, there will be no challenge to the parents’ claim that Madeleine was abducted. A list of some of these questions can be viewed at this thread:
http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=31071
Among the questions The Madeleine Foundation suggests Oprah Winfrey asks the McCanns are the following:
Why did you originally claim that the abductor had forced his way into the flat by jemmying open the shutters to the apartment?
Why, after the police and the owners of the complex you were staying at found no evidence that the shutters had been forced, did you then change your story to saying that you had left the patio door open and the abductor must have entered that way?
Why would the abductor - as you now claim and have done for two years - exit with Madeleine through a small window in the children’s room, when the patio door was already open?
Why did you delete messages from your mobile ’phone before the police arrived on the night Madeleine was reported ‘missing’?
Why have neither of you ever physically searched for Madeleine?
Why did Dr Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police on 8 September 2007?
How do you explain the findings of the cadaver dogs?
Why did you and your friends who were out in Portugal with you all refuse last year to attend a police reconstruction of the events of 3rd May?
The British groups’ concern about the Oprah Winfrey show was heightened when they learnt that Ms Winfrey was also planning to interview George and Cindy Anthony, the grandparents of murdered 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, is currently in prison awaiting trial for Caylee’s mother.
Deborah Butler, Madeleine Foundation Chairman, said: “In nearly all cases where parents claim that a child of theirs has been abducted from their own home, it later turns out that the child is dead - and that a family member is in some way responsible, whether by accident, negligence, neglect or deliberate act. One such case was that of the death of 8-year-old Joana Cipriano in Portugal, where the girl’s mother, Leonor Cipriano, also claimed she had been abducted. It was Goncalo Amaral, the same detective who investigated the ‘disappearance’ of Madeleine McCann but was removed from the enquiry when he was getting too close to the truth, who successfully proved that Leonor Cipriano and her brother killed little Joana. The pair are now serving lengthy jail terms. We think it would be much better for Oprah Winfrey to interview Mr Amaral, the man who has, as in Joana’s case, brought us the truth about why Madeleine McCann is no longer with us”.
FURTHER INFORMATION AND CONTACTS
The Madeleine Foundation website: www.madeleinefoundation.org (http://www.madeleinefoundation.org/)
Chairman: Deborah Butler 07867 887066
Secretary: Tony Bennett 00 44 1279 635789 or 07835 716537
e-mail: ajsbennett@btinternet.com (ajsbennett@btinternet.com)
Madeleine Foundation contact in the U.S.
Mrs. Heather McKinnon 303-410-9508 e-mail: colomom@msn.com (colomom@msn.com)
For over a year she moderated a popular U.S.-based internet forum on Madeleine McCann.
Interviews: Heather McKinnon (U.S.) is available for interview. Tony Bennett (U.K.) is also available. He has appeared in several TV and radio programmes about Madeleine McCann, including on Portuguese TV and Al Jazeera, and on radio shows in Britain and Spain. He is willing to assist with pre-recorded or live interviews at any reasonable time (between 7am and 12midnight U.K. time). An excerpt from one of his interviews (in Spain) may be found on this YouTube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5c3ld0j1Yo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5c3ld0j1Yo&feature=PlayList&p=DCF22535653D5158&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=67)
A more hostile interview of him by a British radio presenter can be found on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5lCyfAmw9g
Further Information about the case:
1) Our book: “What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann? - 60 Reasons
which suggest she was not abducted” will be sent free on request to any U.S. journalist - and can be e-mailed instantly to you by e-mail Word attachment.
2) Goncalo Amaral’s book: A Verdade da Mentira - ‘The Truth About A Lie’ (English language summaries of this are available on the internet)
3) Portuguese Tvi24’s documentary transmitted on 14 April 2009 - see English translation at www. joana-morais.blogspot.com (http://www.%20joana-morais.blogspot.com/)
4) www.mccannfiles.com (http://www.mccannfiles.com/) - a wealth of original source material about the McCann case compiled by U.K. resident Nigel Moore
5)www.truthformadeleine.com (http://www.truthformadeleine.com/) - more source material and analysis by a British expat living in eastern U.S.A.
6) a video of the cadaver dogs finding the smell of a corpse in the McCanns’ apartment and in their hired car is available at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRvgK6M2_7Q
7) www.the3arguidos.net (http://www.the3arguidos.net/) - U.K. based internet forum with useful research material on this link:http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=39
8) an informative 10-minute video on Madeleine McCann is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRvgK6M2_7Q
Isabella
04-22-2009, 04:01 AM
If you can control the media and what they print, then more power to you. Most people can't! Parents of abducted children go through a lot of stuff with the media and the police. Instead of having it detract for the investigation into their missing child, they put up with it and deal with it later after the case is resolved. If you think otherwise, you are naive.
The parents or there flunkeys at least have controlled the media for 2 years now ...or our media at least.
Btw the McCanns are lucky - normally parents who neglect there child so they can go out drinking with there friends and something happens to them..generally get it far WORSE than the McCanns.
The parents or there flunkeys at least have controlled the media for 2 years now ...or our media at least.
Btw the McCanns are lucky - normally parents who neglect there child so they can go out drinking with there friends and something happens to them..generally get it far WORSE than the McCanns.
I can see you didn't understand what I was saying from your answer. There is a huge difference in controlling the media and controlling what is released to the media. I said parents and families of abducted children have to put up with a lot of crap from the media during an investigation, and they normally bite their tongues until the investigation is over so it won't detract from the media coverage needed for their missing child.
Isabella
04-22-2009, 06:57 AM
I can see you didn't understand what I was saying from your answer. There is a huge difference in controlling the media and controlling what is released to the media. I said parents and families of abducted children have to put up with a lot of crap from the media during an investigation, and they normally bite their tongues until the investigation is over so it won't detract from the media coverage needed for their missing child.
I understand what you said. The fact is as any English person will know..the media was controlled very different in the case of the McCanns than any case of its kind before. Compare this with the case of Karen Matthews..and it couldnt be more different if you tried.
Incidentally..friends of Kate have been saying she may not go to America cos shes too attached to the kids and doesnt like to leave them - what a pity she didnt think of that 2 years ago....then none of this would have happened:rolleyes:
I understand what you said. The fact is as any English person will know..the media was controlled very different in the case of the McCanns than any case of its kind before. Compare this with the case of Karen Matthews..and it couldnt be more different if you tried.
If you understood what I said, why don't you speak to the points that were brought up instead of going off on something else?
Incidentally..friends of Kate have been saying she may not go to America cos shes too attached to the kids and doesnt like to leave them - what a pity she didnt think of that 2 years ago....then none of this would have happened:rolleyes:
I am happy for you that you have never made a mistake in your life. Most of the rest of us can't say that. (You have spoken to these friends of hers, right?)
Isabella
04-22-2009, 09:52 AM
If you understood what I said, why don't you speak to the points that were brought up instead of going off on something else?
I am happy for you that you have never made a mistake in your life. Most of the rest of us can't say that. (You have spoken to these friends of hers, right?)
Why would i want to speak to friends of the McCanns?
Of course i have made mistakes..i can honestly say ive never made one as big as the McCanns and then lied about it for years.
MOO
april4sky
04-22-2009, 10:02 AM
I understand what you said. The fact is as any English person will know..the media was controlled very different in the case of the McCanns than any case of its kind before. Compare this with the case of Karen Matthews..and it couldnt be more different if you tried.
Incidentally..friends of Kate have been saying she may not go to America cos shes too attached to the kids and doesnt like to leave them - what a pity she didnt think of that 2 years ago....then none of this would have happened:rolleyes:This maybe your opinion Isabella but you really shouldn't assume your speaking for every English person. :rolleyes:
Incidentally the British police did a great job in the Matthews case - very professional. :clap:
Not like the very unprofessional disgraced EX-cop Amaral.
And you can't know if there's any truth to your claim about Kate, unless of course you have a link to the quotes which "names" these friends.
Isabella
04-22-2009, 03:08 PM
This maybe your opinion Isabella but you really shouldn't assume your speaking for every English person. :rolleyes:
Incidentally the British police did a great job in the Matthews case - very professional. :clap:
Not like the very unprofessional disgraced EX-cop Amaral.
And you can't know if there's any truth to your claim about Kate, unless of course you have a link to the quotes which "names" these friends.
I think I know a little more about English people seeing as i live here..and not the other side of the world..
A professional job...right...they took a month to find her and she was less than a mile away..and ignored reports that she was there. Aye they did an awesome job.
As for Amaral...its funny..a year or so i was like you...saying he was disgraced..but ya know...then it came out he was right what he alleged..and thats been proven...so..he was toally vindicated in that..and...people do back him enough to buy his book and to make his documentary the highest show in 2009. Unlike the Disgraced McScams..hes not seen as a lieing child neglector..and more and more are listening to him..and more and more are thinking the disgraced parents are not so innocent as they claim.
It must suck...but IMO if anyone will get the case reopened it will be Amaral...so...go go Amaral and seek justice for Madeleine.
Isabella
04-22-2009, 06:40 PM
Wow you sound just like a 3a-er lol.Mayhap you would be happier posting there amongst like minded "people".
I sound like a 3a-er? i am not sure how they sound but regardless..i like it here thank you...and theres plenty here that are "like minded people":rolleyes:
Are we only allowed to post here if we support the McCann version of events?
I may have overlooked that regulation.
april4sky
04-23-2009, 03:17 AM
I think I know a little more about English people seeing as i live here..and not the other side of the world.. "Think" - your opinion - you don't know. :)
A professional job...right...they took a month to find her and she was less than a mile away..and ignored reports that she was there. Aye they did an awesome job.
Yes the British cops were very professional and solved the case. Unlike the very unprofessional disgraced EX-cop Amaral.
As for Amaral...its funny..a year or so i was like you...saying he was disgraced..but ya know...then it came out he was right what he alleged..and thats been proven...so..he was toallyvindicated in that..and...
IMO you were right in the beginning Isabella. :clap:
Did you change your mind after following the "theories" at the 3A's?
As for Amaral being vindicated - thats just wishful thinking on your part Isabella because the only thing thats been proven is that he was incompetent - which is why he was removed.
And IMO he was incompetent at the very least.
It must suck...but IMO if anyone will get the case reopened it will be Amaral...so...go go Amaral and seek justice for Madeleine.
No Amaral does. :furious:
Isabella all Amaral is doing is getting rich on the back of a missing child.
What do you think he's doing with the blood money :furious: he's making out of Madeleine?
Why would i want to speak to friends of the McCanns?
I don't know about the inclination to "want" to speak to them, but from your post it seems to me you are speaking from a position of authority since you never stated it was an opinion. Here is what you said:
Incidentally..friends of Kate have been saying she may not go to America cos shes too attached to the kids and doesnt like to leave them - what a pity she didnt think of that 2 years ago....then none of this would have happened
Isabella
04-23-2009, 06:37 AM
I don't know about the inclination to "want" to speak to them, but from your post it seems to me you are speaking from a position of authority since you never stated it was an opinion. Here is what you said:
That was in ojne of our daily papers this week. I never said it was my opinion.. I can honestly say its never been my opinion that Kate doesnt like to leave her children...:rolleyes:
april4sky
04-23-2009, 09:10 AM
That was in ojne of our daily papers this week. I never said it was my opinion.. I can honestly say its never been my opinion that Kate doesnt like to leave her children...:rolleyes:Isabella do you really believe that just because you read something in a newspaper it must be true? :waitasec:
Even when there are no "names" given with the alleged statements.:waitasec:
If so it's no surprise you believe what you do.
Claycat
04-23-2009, 09:11 AM
That was in ojne of our daily papers this week. I never said it was my opinion.. I can honestly say its never been my opinion that Kate doesnt like to leave her children...:rolleyes:
Would you provide a link so that we might read that article? Thanks!
Isabella
04-23-2009, 09:34 AM
Incidentally..one thing i would like to clarify is that April keeps saying that Amaral was sacked for incompetence - this in fact is not why he was removed from the case.
He was in fact removed because he implied that the British gov were interfering..and that Leicestershire police werent handing over vital documents. This allegation has now found to be true (regarding Leicestershire Police )
Isabella
04-23-2009, 09:39 AM
Isabella do you really believe that just because you read something in a newspaper it must be true? :waitasec:
Even when there are no "names" given with the alleged statements.:waitasec:
If so it's no surprise you believe what you do.
IF i believed everything in the papers i would believe the McCanns story..and i dont.
And as for being no surprise as to how i believe the way i do - i believe this way for the simple reason....its blindingly obvious to most there are many many inconsistencies..and its blindly obvious after 2 years there is still no sign of any abductor ..
One thing i do kinda agree with you though - the pjs were maybe negligent in this case - because they spent too much time on Tanner and her fanciful stories rather than finding out what really happened..thus losing valuable time.
Isabella
04-23-2009, 09:46 AM
Would you provide a link so that we might read that article? Thanks!
http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=kate-mccann-s-agony-at-leaving-twins-for-oprah%26method=full%26objectid=21288977%26siteid=9 3463-name_page.html
april4sky
04-23-2009, 09:57 AM
Respectfully snipped....IF i believed everything in the papers i would believe the McCanns story..and i dont.
By the comment you made about Kate you believed the story you posted which is why I said it's no surprise you believe what you do.
You could read the final report instead of relying on the steady stream of smears and made up stories. :)
Maybe you are following too many hate sites. :waitasec:
That was in ojne of our daily papers this week. I never said it was my opinion.. I can honestly say its never been my opinion that Kate doesnt like to leave her children...:rolleyes:
My bad...I didn't know it was a quote from something...oh wait...you didn't put it in quotes, so how would I have known? Your bad! Why would you want that kind of confusion? :waitasec:
Isabella
04-23-2009, 10:10 AM
Respectfully snipped....By the comment you made about Kate you believed the story you posted which is why I said it's no surprise you believe what you do.
You could read the final report instead of relying on the steady stream of smears and made up stories. :)
Maybe you are following too many hate sites. :waitasec:
You believe in Tanner and the McCanns stories..so...pot calling kettle black
MOO
Isabella
04-23-2009, 10:14 AM
My bad...I didn't know it was a quote from something...oh wait...you didn't put it in quotes, so how would I have known? Your bad! Why would you want that kind of confusion? :waitasec:
I would have thought it was obvious what i meant:rolleyes:
More to the point..why would you want to cause confusion..or to bait?
Btw when do any McCann supporters actually discuss Madeleiene..the little girl that went missing rather than just try and trash anyone in the media who is actually trying to do anything..to solve what happened to this little girl?
april4sky
04-23-2009, 10:20 AM
You believe in Tanner and the McCanns stories..so...pot calling kettle black
MOOIn your world Isabella. :smile:
daffodil
04-23-2009, 10:44 AM
I sound like a 3a-er? i am not sure how they sound but regardless..i like it here thank you...and theres plenty here that are "like minded people":rolleyes:
Indeed.I merely thought you were getting rather frustrated given the amount of eye rolling emoticons you insert.
I would have thought it was obvious what i meant:rolleyes:
Only if one is physic, and I am not!
More to the point..why would you want to cause confusion..or to bait?
No baiting from me, and I was asking YOU about the confusion, right?
Btw when do any McCann supporters actually discuss Madeleiene..the little girl that went missing rather than just try and trash anyone in the media who is actually trying to do anything..to solve what happened to this little girl?
When we question the on-going discussion and remind people the McCanns are also victims. Thanks for agreeing Madeline went missing!
daffodil
04-23-2009, 01:13 PM
Certainly nobody gets trashed more than the McCanns,some forums are disgusting.
Moab-I thought you were a mod here? Or am I thinking of FFJ?
daffodil
04-23-2009, 01:15 PM
IF i believed everything in the papers i would believe the McCanns story..and i dont.
And as for being no surprise as to how i believe the way i do - i believe this way for the simple reason....its blindingly obvious to most there are many many inconsistencies..and its blindly obvious after 2 years there is still no sign of any abductor ..
One thing i do kinda agree with you though - the pjs were maybe negligent in this case - because they spent too much time on Tanner and her fanciful stories rather than finding out what really happened..thus losing valuable time.
Valuable time...............to do what?
Certainly nobody gets trashed more than the McCanns,some forums are disgusting.
Moab-I thought you were a mod here? Or am I thinking of FFJ?
I agree with you about some of the forums out there.
I am an Admin at FFJ.
IF i believed everything in the papers i would believe the McCanns story..and i dont.
That statement is so hard for me to believe since your tagline is:
The Disgraced "Grieving" Parents ...
And as for being no surprise as to how i believe the way i do - i believe this way for the simple reason....its blindingly obvious to most there are many many inconsistencies..and its blindly obvious after 2 years there is still no sign of any abductor ..
Blindingly obvious to those who don't want to look at things objectively perhaps. Inconsistencies is not synonymous with guilt.
One thing i do kinda agree with you though - the pjs were maybe negligent in this case - because they spent too much time on Tanner and her fanciful stories rather than finding out what really happened..thus losing valuable time.
On this we can certainly partially agree. the Pj's were negligent all right. They quit looking for a missing child. That is unacceptable to me from any law enforcement group, regardless of country. The unspoken words are Madeline isn't worth their time and effort, and that is just wrong. It also shows their inexperience in these types of cases.
Isabella
04-23-2009, 05:22 PM
That statement is so hard for me to believe since your tagline is:
The Disgraced "Grieving" Parents ...
Blindingly obvious to those who don't want to look at things objectively perhaps. Inconsistencies is not synonymous with guilt.
On this we can certainly partially agree. the Pj's were negligent all right. They quit looking for a missing child. That is unacceptable to me from any law enforcement group, regardless of country. The unspoken words are Madeline isn't worth their time and effort, and that is just wrong. It also shows their inexperience in these types of cases.
With all respect..the McCanns have had 3 million pounds...maybe THEY should be out looking for her..shes not behind Oprahs chair thats for sure. Isnt it worth THEIR time and effort in going to LOOK for her in Portugal..after all thats where they claim she went missing.
Again..how many people are missing in America? After not finding Cayless Anthony for 6 m onths when she was 100 yards from home..dont think you should be trashing the Pjs somehow...
daffodil
04-23-2009, 05:23 PM
Frustrated me? No im not ;)
The amount of baiting and accusations you throw around..like one of us could be the invisible kidnapper sounds like you could be frustrated tho ;)
Eh? Please quote my EXACT words where I have said one of you is the kidnapper and also where I have baited or accused anyone of anything :mad:
gracie1656
04-23-2009, 08:12 PM
Wow you sound just like a 3a-er lol.Mayhap you would be happier posting there amongst like minded "people".
At the risk of sounding uninformed, what is a 3a-er? :confused:
Isabella
04-23-2009, 09:22 PM
At the risk of sounding uninformed, what is a 3a-er? :confused:
3A is short for three arguidos as in Kate Gerry and Robert Murats status at the time the site was made. I think its fairly safe to say..that its a site where the vast majority think the McCanns are implicated somehow in what happened.
McCann supporters hate that site..simply cos they fight for what they believe in - justice for Madeleine. There are some people on there who have done some awesome work.
Isabella
04-23-2009, 09:25 PM
Valuable time...............to do what?
IF..they wasnt running around on a wild goose chase with Tanner who thought she was going to get kidnapped by cops ( she should seriously swap stories with Pennington they would have a whale of a time) then they could have investigated proper leads...assuming there ever were any.
Likewise..had they not let there friends ransack the place..maybe they could have got more evidence which could have helped.
With all respect..the McCanns have had 3 million pounds...maybe THEY should be out looking for her..shes not behind Oprahs chair thats for sure. Isnt it worth THEIR time and effort in going to LOOK for her in Portugal..after all thats where they claim she went missing.
They don't need to "claim" it, that IS where she went missing.
Again..how many people are missing in America? After not finding Cayless Anthony for 6 m onths when she was 100 yards from home..dont think you should be trashing the Pjs somehow...
Hundreds are missing, and they were still searching for Caylee when her remains were found. We also have individual search organizations who continue searching for the families and who work with LE and the families to follow up leads. YOU are the one who said the PJ's quit looking. I was merely commenting on what a disservice that is to a missing child.
Somehow, in your mind, because you think the McCanns are guilty, you justify the Pj's doing nothing. I find that mindset disingenuous with caring for the victim(s)...and yes, that includes Madeline's family.
april4sky
04-23-2009, 10:38 PM
3A is short for three arguidos as in Kate Gerry and Robert Murats status at the time the site was made. I think its fairly safe to say..that its a site where the vast majority think the McCanns are implicated somehow in what happened.
McCann supporters hate that site..simply cos they fight for what they believe in - justice for Madeleine. There are some people on there who have done some awesome work.
No Isabella this is why McCann supporters are disgusted by that site.
How the Madeleine McCann Story Was Hijacked By web Trolls
http://www.anorak.co.uk/anorak-editor/185371.html (http://www.anorak.co.uk/anorak-editor/185371.html)
The 3 Arguidos site is probably the strongest of the allegedly Madeleine McCann dedicated sites. I have no access to it nor seek any since it regularly appears to be an outrageous vipers nest of sad people, many of whom have had brief cyber-existences here. It has attracted an interesting group of supporters and helpers and we should genuinely wish them well.
They are the Jerry Springer end of the coverage.
*****
Isabella in your description you forgot to mention the sick theory of Sean and Madelaine's scalp. :crazy:
gracie1656
04-23-2009, 10:55 PM
3A is short for three arguidos as in Kate Gerry and Robert Murats status at the time the site was made. I think its fairly safe to say..that its a site where the vast majority think the McCanns are implicated somehow in what happened.
McCann supporters hate that site..simply cos they fight for what they believe in - justice for Madeleine. There are some people on there who have done some awesome work.
Thanks for the explanation....So, if you are a McCann supporter you belong here or there?
:confused:
Isabella
04-23-2009, 11:13 PM
No Isabella this is why McCann supporters are disgusted by that site.
How the Madeleine McCann Story Was Hijacked By web Trolls
http://www.anorak.co.uk/anorak-editor/185371.html (http://www.anorak.co.uk/anorak-editor/185371.html)
The 3 Arguidos site is probably the strongest of the allegedly Madeleine McCann dedicated sites. I have no access to it nor seek any since it regularly appears to be an outrageous vipers nest of sad people, many of whom have had brief cyber-existences here. It has attracted an interesting group of supporters and helpers and we should genuinely wish them well.
They are the Jerry Springer end of the coverage.
*****
Isabella in your description you forgot to mention the sick theory of Sean and Madelaine's scalp. :crazy:
To be honest..if the worst you can throw at 3a is the Anorak article you have posted 50 times probably..they arent doing so bad....
And no they are correct..they have no access to it as they got banned apparently,,,talk about bitter...
Isabella
04-23-2009, 11:14 PM
Thanks for the explanation....So, if you are a McCann supporter you belong here or there?
:confused:
If your a McCann supporter..then no i guess you are better off here ;)
april4sky
04-24-2009, 08:14 AM
To be honest..if the worst you can throw at 3a is the Anorak article you have posted 50 times probably..they arent doing so bad....
And no they are correct..they have no access to it as they got banned apparently,,,talk about bitter...
Apparently not Isabella. :)
From the same article.....
The McCann story can not sustain sites like this and they have to diversify. Recruitment from sites such as ours is one way of doing it.
The Moderators here at Anorak have noted a recent surge of activity as the once-again revamped team at the 3As have become our new friends. Avid letter writers to Anorak and when gently challenged, retreat to vent their spleen within their own site. We had such an incursion yesterday.
We are aware the 3As site has suffered dreadful problems lately and we sympathise but do have our own course to run.
Tonia
04-24-2009, 10:45 AM
I just heard the news about a new sighting this morning. Im not so sure about it though. I have no problem with true reliable leads.Anything to keep THE FUND going imo.
april4sky
04-25-2009, 05:52 AM
3A is short for three arguidos as in Kate Gerry and Robert Murats status at the time the site was made. I think its fairly safe to say..that its a site where the vast majority think the McCanns are implicated somehow in what happened.
McCann supporters hate that site..simply cos they fight for what they believe in - justice for Madeleine. There are some people on there who have done some awesome work.
Quote:
From: "Facebook"
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Well done Facebook. :clap:
Jayelles
04-28-2009, 08:43 AM
Respectfully snipped...
Isabella to be honest, :) it's the truth regardless of whether or not you find it boring.
And you obviously haven't read the final report because "according to the PJ" abduction is still on the table.
I read elsewhere a post by an MDI (McCann did it) who said he was happy to post on forums, leave comments on newspaper sites, leave leaflets in public places and support online petitions, but he drew a line at anything which involved action "in person". My immediate thought was that the worst bullies are always the biggest cowards.
This morning I discovered that a website has published a list of names, personal information and photos of members of an anti-McCann hatesite and is pledging to continue doing so. I'm not generally in favour of "outing", but when there is such a high level of hate and discussions which involve wishing the McCanns harm and death as well as trying to organise "meets" in Rothley or other places where the McCanns are known to be going, then I think there is an argument for security in being able to put faces to the potential aggressors.
I've quite frankly never seen anything like it. I would guess it is unprecedented.
Jayelles
04-28-2009, 08:49 AM
I just heard the news about a new sighting this morning. Im not so sure about it though. I have no problem with true reliable leads.Anything to keep THE FUND going imo.
How do you reconcile the fact that well-meaning members of the general public occasionally report sightings of a missing child with your suggestion that it's done to keep the Fund going? Are you suggesting that these members of the public are working for the McCanns?
Also, how can a lead be determined to be reliable or unreliable unless it's investigated?
If your child was missing would you want people to report possible sightings or not? And if so, would you want them investigated or not?
How would you feel if people made catty comments about your efforts to find your missing child?
Jayelles
04-28-2009, 09:48 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_vigilantism#Real_Crime_Vigilantes
Some people form themselves into vigilante groups aiming (overtly) to "investigate" high profile cases, but in reality often their (covert) goal is to harass those people associated in some way with the crime, but against whom no successful case has been made in the courts.
Claycat
04-28-2009, 01:21 PM
Ok as your silence speaks volumes I will accept an apology instead.TIA
Daffodil, in another thread, I made a post. Part of my post read "I have often wondered if the kidnapper posts on here." It was me who was wondering about a kidnapper, not you. This is a good example of how information can get tangled. I'm sorry you were taking the heat for me, although I didn't accuse anyone specifically. I was just wondering.
Salem
04-28-2009, 02:56 PM
Hey Guys - please see Animal's post from Sept 2007 here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1683009&postcount=1
Name calling is a violation of the TOS, so please edit any necessary posts to fix this problem.
Also, please stop bickering. We have differences of opinion. We need to be respectful of each other. Attack the post, NOT the poster. You can refute statements in a respectful manner. Consider it a challenge to refute a post while maintaining a degree of rapport with the poster. :) You can do it!!! :)
Salem
Texana
04-28-2009, 07:23 PM
[QUOTE=Jayelles;3670618]I read elsewhere a post by an MDI (McCann did it) who said he was happy to post on forums, leave comments on newspaper sites, leave leaflets in public places and support online petitions, but he drew a line at anything which involved action "in person". My immediate thought was that the worst bullies are always the biggest cowards.
This morning I discovered that a website has published a list of names, personal information and photos of members of an anti-McCann hatesite and is pledging to continue doing so. I'm not generally in favour of "outing", but when there is such a high level of hate and discussions which involve wishing the McCanns harm and death as well as trying to organise "meets" in Rothley or other places where the McCanns are known to be going, then I think there is an argument for security in being able to put faces to the potential aggressors.
I've quite frankly never seen anything like it. I would guess it is unprecedented.[/QUOTE
I certainly hope you are not implying that anyone here deserves to have their private information made public.
I hope as well I misunderstand the implication that not believing the McCanns innocent/abduction is somehow akin to wishing violence on them or being violent. I am certain that is not what you intended to say.
Do you have media links as to the veracity of these "meets?"
Tonia
04-28-2009, 08:38 PM
How do you reconcile the fact that well-meaning members of the general public occasionally report sightings of a missing child with your suggestion that it's done to keep the Fund going? Are you suggesting that these members of the public are working for the McCanns?
Also, how can a lead be determined to be reliable or unreliable unless it's investigated?
If your child was missing would you want people to report possible sightings or not? And if so, would you want them investigated or not?
How would you feel if people made catty comments about your efforts to find your missing child?
Your a McCann supporter i am not. Difference of opinion,nothing wrong with that. I stated mine,you have stated yours.I didn't post to argue with you or anyone else. I simply stated an opinion just like obviously others have here. This thread is not to question others or to argue about a poor child that is missing. It is to gather facts and discuss not to act like children imo.
daffodil
04-29-2009, 05:25 AM
[quote=Jayelles;3670618]I read elsewhere a post by an MDI (McCann did it) who said he was happy to post on forums, leave comments on newspaper sites, leave leaflets in public places and support online petitions, but he drew a line at anything which involved action "in person". My immediate thought was that the worst bullies are always the biggest cowards.
This morning I discovered that a website has published a list of names, personal information and photos of members of an anti-McCann hatesite and is pledging to continue doing so. I'm not generally in favour of "outing", but when there is such a high level of hate and discussions which involve wishing the McCanns harm and death as well as trying to organise "meets" in Rothley or other places where the McCanns are known to be going, then I think there is an argument for security in being able to put faces to the potential aggressors.
I've quite frankly never seen anything like it. I would guess it is unprecedented.[/QUOTE
I certainly hope you are not implying that anyone here deserves to have their private information made public.
I hope as well I misunderstand the implication that not believing the McCanns innocent/abduction is somehow akin to wishing violence on them or being violent. I am certain that is not what you intended to say.
Do you have media links as to the veracity of these "meets?"
3arguidos.net is a good place to start.
Texana
04-29-2009, 06:19 PM
[quote=Texana;3673609]
3arguidos.net is a good place to start.
I meant an actual news media reporting of a mob gathering in Rothley with the intent of harming the McCanns.
If anybody is making public threats against the McCanns then it is a police matter and should be handled as such on an individual basis.
No one here has made any threats against the McCanns so I fail to see the point of bringing that up here.
By bringing it up here, there seems to be an implication that anyone who doesn't believe the McCanns' abduction line is a) advocating violence and b) deserves to have their private information publicized on the web.
PattyCake
05-02-2009, 01:53 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/01/madeleine.mccann.picture/index.html
"Kate McCann said she keeps Madeleine's room ready for her and admitted to visiting it twice daily, "just [to] say hello... just [to] tell her we're still going ... to do everything we can to find her."
So she visits her daughters' room twice a day to tell her that they're doing everything they can to find her. Has anyone ever heard how sorry they are for not doing everything they could to protect her in the first place? Isn't that an important thing to point out? I mean - they could have got a sitter and this would not have happened (assuming this is a stranger abduction).
Why aren't stories like this held up as a perfect example of what 'not to do' in order to prevent abductions. Too many cases where the child was left alone that resulted in a kidnapping / murder. Too many cases where it was completely preventable. I'm all for learning & educating based on past results.
My opinion as always, although I may need body armour protection for this comment.
Isabella
05-02-2009, 11:27 PM
How do you reconcile the fact that well-meaning members of the general public occasionally report sightings of a missing child with your suggestion that it's done to keep the Fund going? Are you suggesting that these members of the public are working for the McCanns?
Also, how can a lead be determined to be reliable or unreliable unless it's investigated?
If your child was missing would you want people to report possible sightings or not? And if so, would you want them investigated or not?
How would you feel if people made catty comments about your efforts to find your missing child?
The problem with these sightings is that a member of the team that was supposedly looking for Madeleine has confirmed they was paid to make up sightings..so now...who k nows whether any "sightings" are real or not.
Isabella
05-03-2009, 12:40 PM
Hope you had a nice time.
I would like that apology now if you could.TIA.
It should have ALWAYS been about Madeleine.
Yes i made a mistake. However i dont see the need to keep going on about it especially when i was on holiday even.
Yes it should ALWAYS be about Madeleine..and this thread is about the McCanns appearing on Oprah and yet most of the thread seem to be about attacking people who feel the McCanns are guilty - whether it be on this site or others and coming out with posts like Anti McCann parents supporters are going to go to Rothley and lynch the parents :rolleyes: Do you have a link to that by the way?
I came on here today because stupidly...i thought with this thread being called Oprah people may know what had been said on the show - and instead its just the old rehash of trying to deflect deflect deflect..
Isabella
05-03-2009, 03:01 PM
I'm sure you dont :rolleyes:.Not big enough eh? No worries.
Try reading 3as
LOL whatever
Allegations were made that people who believe McCanns are guity are going to Rothley and do a lynch mob...when asked where it says this we are told to go to another site. I have looked at 3 a many times..though not as much as some of you mccann supporters obviously..which begs the question if you cant stand the site why even go there? But regardless i have never seen ANYTHING like that. The fact is...McCann supporters have fan sites so why shouldnt there be sites for people who believe them to be guilty? Everyone is entitled to an opinion after all and my honest opinion is a lot of stuff has been well researched on there...which shows the McCanns and there friends to be liars which i guess is where the problem is. At the end of the day..supposedly..we all want justice..wherever it leads right? And that means ALL avenues have to be explored.
Oh and its nothing about being big enough...its more about trying to cause confrontation when someones not even been on a board for a week. I did in fact admit i was wrong.
So back to Madeleiene eh?
Isabella
05-03-2009, 04:41 PM
As I said isabella....whatever.I have zero interest in confrontation and I have zero interest in finding the posts on 3as for you as doubtless you would find excuses for them anyway.BTW I am not a McCann supporter per se rather that I am not as convinced by the "evidence" or as hero worhipful of Amaral as some.
FWIW I read many McCann sites and they all have good and bad about them.
Whatever i might think of the McCanns..no i wouldnt make excuses for people IF it was true that people were threatening to go to Rothley and harm the McCanns. Being a vigilante isnt the answer to anything...hopefully one day the truth will come out - whatever it may be. But like i said ive never seen claims like that there and to me it just seems like an unstantiated attack on that site to demean people that believe the McCanns are guilty.
For the record i dont worship Amaral..i just belive him a sight more than i do the parents or the friends...and...although some may not approve of the way hes doing it..he IS keeping the case in the news and possibly it could end up being opened again..which has to be good for Madeleiene By the way dont understand the hero worship some have for Tanner and her changing stories.
PattyCake
05-04-2009, 01:26 PM
You'd think some of these posters are being paid by the McCanns--I have NEVER seen so much hostility toward people who don't want to kiss the fannies of that pair.
Don you think the millions that was donated to find this child - someone somewhere in the McCann clan has missued the funds if they are almost out of money after 2 years? It's just awful.
And to note with respect to other posters here: The fact that it is possible for them to have harmed their child - leaves them open to being suspects.
The McCanns were horribly irresponsible by leaving those little babes alone in the first place. Losing their daughter WAS THEIR FAULT no matter what happened. Abductor or not, THEY were responsible for the safety & well being of their children and did not do that.
That they are 'happy' now in their life shows me they've resolved issues of whatever guilt they have. I'm not sure how I could get over the guilt. But no matter how you look at it - their actions and decisions caused Maddie to go missing / die.
Isabella
05-04-2009, 02:20 PM
Don you think the millions that was donated to find this child - someone somewhere in the McCann clan has missued the funds if they are almost out of money after 2 years? It's just awful.
And to note with respect to other posters here: The fact that it is possible for them to have harmed their child - leaves them open to being suspects.
The McCanns were horribly irresponsible by leaving those little babes alone in the first place. Losing their daughter WAS THEIR FAULT no matter what happened. Abductor or not, THEY were responsible for the safety & well being of their children and did not do that.
That they are 'happy' now in their life shows me they've resolved issues of whatever guilt they have. I'm not sure how I could get over the guilt. But no matter how you look at it - their actions and decisions caused Maddie to go missing / die.
Out of the 9 directors i think there are..at least 5 are part of the McCanns family..so basically yes they have free reign to do as they wish with the money. The McCanns said at the beginning they would never have anything to do with this money. I guess the fact there now directors of the fund means they lied.
I don't understand..when the fund is almost empty supposedly why they keep Mitchell on as the only thing hes good at is trying to stop anything bad coming out about the McCanns. Which fair enough may be more important to them than anything else i guess such as trying to find there daughter who they claim is missing
MOO
scandi
05-04-2009, 04:37 PM
Hi to All. I've never seen such testy posts here either and am really surprised. My eyes nearly popped out while reading!
I have watched the HLN blips this morning of the interview and there is only one thought in my mind which I believe tells the whole story in a nutshell.
Kate limply mentions 'finding Madeleine', and the plain fact is the McCann's NEVER DID look for Madeleine themselves. Everything was delegated to run the show except for a walk around PDL the morning she went missing and Gerry's one time walk thru a field. From what I have read.
They have no shame. I have seen so many parents in their same situation since Madeleine went missing. If they really do care about her :confused:, it is some cold hearted way of showing it! xox
blubuni99
05-04-2009, 05:11 PM
I haven't really been following this case but I'm watching Oprah now and they showed the McCann's news footage and Kate showed the nightgown that Madeleine was wearing the night she disappeared. Uh, she whoever "took" her took her naked? Or is there something I'm missing - I know some people think her parents harmed her but what is their explanation or whomever's explanation for her pajamas not being ON her?
MissOtk
05-04-2009, 05:25 PM
Hey guys!
If you have a problem with bickering posters, please click on the icon to the right of the post # and report.
It's getting obnoxious and people who want to read about the Madeleine case shouldn't be subjected to such immature behavior.
Thanks!
daffodil
05-04-2009, 05:25 PM
I haven't really been following this case but I'm watching Oprah now and they showed the McCann's news footage and Kate showed the nightgown that Madeleine was wearing the night she disappeared. Uh, she whoever "took" her took her naked? Or is there something I'm missing - I know some people think her parents harmed her but what is their explanation or whomever's explanation for her pajamas not being ON her?
IIRC her sister Amelie had the same pair so it was probably those they showed.
badhorsie
05-04-2009, 07:30 PM
That could have been said in a PM. "Daffodil" you seem to be intent on derailing this thread.Surely that cannot be:waitasec:
I was interested that the MCcanns decided to wait until it was light to look for their daughter-and leave her alone in the dark???????????????????
So many discrepancies, I also read, in the statements, that Gerry and Dr Payne went looking at 0300, who is telling the truth?
You have to have a good memory if you lie:rolleyes:
gitana1
05-04-2009, 07:59 PM
Moab, with all due respect, she can't be found if she's dead.
If there is no credible evidence for an abduction, and solid evidence for her death, then looking for her remains is a needle-in-haystack kind of act. You should check out the scientific facts for how long a human body will remain intact anywhere. It is an amazingly short amount of time before a human body disappears, absent chemical interventions such as a mortuary would provide. Two words: Natural chemistry and wild animals. It is, what it is.
For example, experts surmise that with Ted Bundy's victims, remains disappeared within less than a year. Chondra Levy's remains are a good examples as well. The phrase, "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" is a centuries old statement because it is truth.
I know this is an old post but I must reply. Remains of bodies, excluding mummies, that died hundreds and thousands of years ago, such as the Peat Bog people, and people preserved in the alps, have been found. Even bodies disposed of in areas not covered with ice or peat have been found, although all that is left may be bones. We have discovered ancient Neanderthal bones that are tens of thousands of years old. If Maddy is dead, it would be highly unlikely that her bones would be reduced to dust only two years later.
Texana
05-04-2009, 08:57 PM
I know this is an old post but I must reply. Remains of bodies, excluding mummies, that died hundreds and thousands of years ago, such as the Peat Bog people, and people preserved in the alps, have been found. Even bodies disposed of in areas not covered with ice or peat have been found, although all that is left may be bones. We have discovered ancient Neanderthal bones that are tens of thousands of years old. If Maddy is dead, it would be highly unlikely that her bones would be reduced to dust only two years later.
Let me restate that: Her bones would not disintegrate, but there is a good chance depending on where she was buried and how, that they would be carried off by animals or or otherwise moved by forces of nature--thus, rendering them either entirely lost or only partially recovered.
The ice mummies, the peat mummies, and the desert mummies all have certain chemical conditions that change the decomposition process. The inability of certain animals to get at remains is a factor in all those cases as well.
Animal04216
05-04-2009, 11:11 PM
I highly suggest that any posts that are off topic be edited by the posters before this time tomorrow. If I have to edit anything out of line I will automatically give you 7 days to read terms of service.
THE BICKERING WILL CEASE AS OF NOW, ANY FURTHER POSTS ATTACKING OR CONFRONTING ANOTHER POSTER WILL BE CAUSE FOR A PERMANENT BAN.
Isabella
05-05-2009, 12:14 AM
That could have been said in a PM. "Daffodil" you seem to be intent on derailing this thread.Surely that cannot be:waitasec:
I was interested that the MCcanns decided to wait until it was light to look for their daughter-and leave her alone in the dark???????????????????
So many discrepancies, I also read, in the statements, that Gerry and Dr Payne went looking at 0300, who is telling the truth?
You have to have a good memory if you lie:rolleyes:
The McCanns said before they have never looked for her. Witnesses that night said they seemed to just be interested in ringing people and trying to get the media involved instead of searching for there daughter.
I guess it helped to get the fund set up quicker anyhow:rolleyes:
Claycat
05-05-2009, 12:14 AM
I watched Oprah today, and I felt very sad for the McCanns. Kate McCann has two years of pain and grief etched into her face. God bless them, and God bless Madeleine wherever she is!
Isabella
05-05-2009, 12:17 AM
I watched Oprah today, and I felt very sad for the McCanns. Kate McCann has two years of pain and grief etched into her face. God bless them, and God bless Madeleine wherever she is!
I understand in the interview that Gerry contradicted himself again..I really think the McCanns are better staying off the tv cos they drop themselves in it further each time they speak.
Yes God Bless Madeleine..and i hope some day she will get some form of justice.
ThoughtFox
05-05-2009, 12:31 AM
I haven't really been following this case but I'm watching Oprah now and they showed the McCann's news footage and Kate showed the nightgown that Madeleine was wearing the night she disappeared. Uh, she whoever "took" her took her naked? Or is there something I'm missing - I know some people think her parents harmed her but what is their explanation or whomever's explanation for her pajamas not being ON her?
As I recall, Madeleine and her sister had more than one set of the pink pajamas. That's the explanation as I understand it.
BBC story and video from Oprah (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8033003.stm)
News Telegraph Story about Oprah (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5275255/Madeleine-is-alive-McCanns-tell-Oprah.html)
During a section of the programme filmed at the family home, Mrs McCann's eyes welled up with tears as she showed the camera pictures drawn by Madeleine that she could not bring herself to remove from the refrigerator.
"She was like my little friend all the time," she said. When she worried about how her daughter was now, she admitted she sometimes fretted about the "little things".
"Is someone brushing her teeth? Is someone rubbing her tummy if she's not feeling well? It's all those things you do as a mother."
I'm just going to talk about the McCanns, if no one minds, since I have strong opinions about them. Frankly, I always find Kate's questions very odd. Why would you assume an abductor would be kind to your daughter in any way. I would call it denial, but that would be too mild a word, in my opinion.
Madeleine disappeared from her bed as her parents dined with friends in a nearby tapas restaurant on the fifth night of the family holiday.
Addressing their much-criticised decision to leave their children unsupervised in the apartment as they ate, Mrs McCann told Winfrey: "I could persecute myself every day about that, and I feel awful that we weren't there at that minute."
Not only weren't they there "at that minute." They weren't there for hours, and also possibly not there every night that week. :furious: Lots of opportunities for abduction, intruders, accidents, falls, etc. And I'm always amazed that they don't feel guilty for leaving their other two sweet children exposed during more than that single minute, too.
Daily Mail Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1177328/Kate-McCann-There-days-Madeleine-vanished-I-just-wish-I-coma.html)
Asked if she has ever thought of giving up, Kate McCann said: 'I think even if you wanted that - and there are days where you just want to get under the duvet or just want to be in a coma until it's over just to relieve the pain and get some pain - but you can't.
'I don't think we'll ever get a day if we are still in this situation where we feel we've done everything.
'I don't think any parent could, even if you were thinking, "I need a rest."'
But she said she still believes her daughter is alive.
She added: 'Part of me I do feel she is there. That connection is there.
'Whether that's just because I'm her mother and that will always be there that bond I don't know.
'But I don't feel she is that far away.'
Isabella
05-05-2009, 12:39 AM
As I recall, Madeleine and her sister had more than one set of the pink pajamas. That's the explanation as I understand it.
BBC story and video from Oprah (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8033003.stm)
News Telegraph Story about Oprah (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5275255/Madeleine-is-alive-McCanns-tell-Oprah.html)
I'm just going to talk about the McCanns, if no one minds, since I have strong opinions about them. Frankly, I always find Kate's questions very odd. Why would you assume an abductor would be kind to your daughter in any way. I would call it denial, but that would be too mild a word, in my opinion.
Not only weren't they there "at that minute." They weren't there for hours, and also possibly not there every night that week. :furious: Lots of opportunities for abduction, intruders, accidents, falls, etc. And I'm always amazed that they don't feel guilty for leaving their other two sweet children exposed during more than that single minute, too.
Daily Mail Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1177328/Kate-McCann-There-days-Madeleine-vanished-I-just-wish-I-coma.html)
The dumb thing to me was..they didnt put the kids in the creche at night cos they didnt want to put the kids with people they didnt know and felt they would be safer on there own..and yet...the kids were in the creche the whole holiday..to them it must have been more familiar than there apartment...and the day FOLLOWING the abduction the twins were back in the same creche that the parents didnt think it was safe to leave them in the night before...and this was despite the fact for all anyone knew any supposed kidnapper could work in the creche...just totally incomprehensible to me.
ThoughtFox
05-05-2009, 12:40 AM
I understand in the interview that Gerry contradicted himself again..I really think the McCanns are better staying off the tv cos they drop themselves in it further each time they speak.
Yes God Bless Madeleine..and i hope some day she will get some form of justice.
Here's one of the few quotes I can find from Gerry, and it's something he has said before.
This is Leicestershire - Oprah Show (http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/talk-day/article-938422-detail/article.html)
Mr McCann said: "In spite of all the investigative work done, there is still absolutely nothing to suggest harm to Madeleine and therefore there's a very real likelihood Madeleine is alive and well."
Alive, ok, but "well"? That's taking a big leap of logic there.
Every time he says that, it weirds me out. His attitude just doesn't fit the idea of abduction, which is indeed "harmful" to a small child. Being carried away by someone in the night is "harm." Being forced to live away from her family is "harm." Whatever other horrors that might be happening to her if she is alive are "harmful."
I wish I knew Gerry's definition of "harming" a child. :waitasec:
Most parents are more like Kate and fall apart, either in sadness or anger. Gerry is one cool customer every single time.
scandi
05-05-2009, 01:44 AM
Here's one of the few quotes I can find from Gerry, and it's something he has said before.
This is Leicestershire - Oprah Show (http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/talk-day/article-938422-detail/article.html)
Alive, ok, but "well"? That's taking a big leap of logic there.
Every time he says that, it weirds me out. His attitude just doesn't fit the idea of abduction, which is indeed "harmful" to a small child. Being carried away by someone in the night is "harm." Being forced to live away from her family is "harm." Whatever other horrors that might be happening to her if she is alive are "harmful."
I wish I knew Gerry's definition of "harming" a child. :waitasec:
Most parents are more like Kate and fall apart, either in sadness or anger. Gerry is one cool customer every single time.
Beautifully said ThoughtFox :blowkiss:, as always, and BTW, your new Fox is simply a masterpiece. Ta
april4sky
05-05-2009, 08:33 AM
I watched Oprah today, and I felt very sad for the McCanns. Kate McCann has two years of pain and grief etched into her face. God bless them, and God bless Madeleine wherever she is!I haven't seen it yet but have read reports and it sounds absolutely heartbreaking.
God bless Madeleine and her parents and give them the strength to carry on.
Isabella
05-05-2009, 10:33 AM
Hi to All. I've never seen such testy posts here either and am really surprised. My eyes nearly popped out while reading!
I have watched the HLN blips this morning of the interview and there is only one thought in my mind which I believe tells the whole story in a nutshell.
Kate limply mentions 'finding Madeleine', and the plain fact is the McCann's NEVER DID look for Madeleine themselves. Everything was delegated to run the show except for a walk around PDL the morning she went missing and Gerry's one time walk thru a field. From what I have read.
They have no shame. I have seen so many parents in their same situation since Madeleine went missing. If they really do care about her :confused:, it is some cold hearted way of showing it! xox
The McCanns admitted on a British tv show they had never looked for there daughter and instead blamed the locals and holidaymakers for not looking harder for there daughter.
Jayelles
05-05-2009, 04:34 PM
I haven't seen it yet but have read reports and it sounds absolutely heartbreaking.
God bless Madeleine and her parents and give them the strength to carry on.
Indeed it was heartbreaking. Oprah was good.
Incidentally, I hadn't realised it was 70 days before Cuddlecat had been washed. The way some follks go on, I'd gotten the impression that Kate had laundered it immediately. That it had been some sort of priority task she'd undertaken. Oprah turned to the audience and explained that Kate had been accused of washing off the DNA...after 70 days and she rolled her eyes as if to say "sheesh!". Kate also confirmed that Cuddlecat was always getting washed. I suspected as much when certain posters were up in arms about her washing madeleine's "scent" off the toy. I asked how they knew Madeleine's scent was on the toy and got shot down in flames when I suggested that perhaps it was one of these soft toys which gets washed regularly and that it might even have been washed for taking on holiday.
Ten weeks of clutching a toy in sweaty, dirty hands and she gets vilified for washing it! Like so much else that has been said about them, it beggars belief.
Isabella
05-05-2009, 05:47 PM
Indeed it was heartbreaking. Oprah was good.
Incidentally, I hadn't realised it was 70 days before Cuddlecat had been washed. The way some follks go on, I'd gotten the impression that Kate had laundered it immediately. That it had been some sort of priority task she'd undertaken. Oprah turned to the audience and explained that Kate had been accused of washing off the DNA...after 70 days and she rolled her eyes as if to say "sheesh!". Kate also confirmed that Cuddlecat was always getting washed. I suspected as much when certain posters were up in arms about her washing madeleine's "scent" off the toy. I asked how they knew Madeleine's scent was on the toy and got shot down in flames when I suggested that perhaps it was one of these soft toys which gets washed regularly and that it might even have been washed for taking on holiday.
Ten weeks of clutching a toy in sweaty, dirty hands and she gets vilified for washing it! Like so much else that has been said about them, it beggars belief.
Yes it was washed some time after she disappeared. Was very shortly before the Pjs wanted to see them...
Why would she have washed Cuddle Cat BEFORE the holiday? The McCanns claimed it was a fourth birthday present for her and she got it early on holiday.
I guess we are all different. If my child was missing..i would be searching for her and not walking around holding a toy. I would not be washing the toy when the pjs were coming...
And for most people..had there child supposedly gone missing and she had a supposed favourite toy and she had been holding it..they would NOT have washed the toy. I know people whose loved ones have died and they have there unwashed things YEARS afterwards to retain the smell.
Btw the fact Kate "confirms" something does not make it true. She said in a interview months ago..at the beginning that she knew imediately that Madeleine had been kidnapped because Cuddlecat had been put on a high shelf that Madeleine couldnt reach..now she is saying she knew cos the windows and shutters were open. Which is it Kate? In addition Kate is saying these windows and shutters were open - yet funnily enough only her finger prints are there...and yet Oldfield had said in his interview they was closed. The McCanns said the door was ajar..Oldfield said it was open. The time Gerry claims to have seen the kids also has changed...so many discrepancies...he also claims to have crossed the road to speak to Jez - Jez claims it was he who crossed to speak to Gerry. She said she didnt say "They have taken her" yet other people claimed she did. Also why did they keep saying th ey went back to check on Madeleine and then add on about the twins afterwards?
Whats more if i was Oldfield I would be worried. MOO
What got me even more..they claim there child is with a paedophile - and Kate says..she worries about if Madeleines TEETH are being cleaned ??? That one just blows my mind really? Whether her teeth are getting cleaned would be the least of my worries.
Let the interviews keep coming...awesome interview :D
scandi
05-05-2009, 09:43 PM
Indeed it was heartbreaking. Oprah was good.
Incidentally, I hadn't realised it was 70 days before Cuddlecat had been washed. The way some follks go on, I'd gotten the impression that Kate had laundered it immediately. That it had been some sort of priority task she'd undertaken. Oprah turned to the audience and explained that Kate had been accused of washing off the DNA...after 70 days and she rolled her eyes as if to say "sheesh!". Kate also confirmed that Cuddlecat was always getting washed. I suspected as much when certain posters were up in arms about her washing madeleine's "scent" off the toy. I asked how they knew Madeleine's scent was on the toy and got shot down in flames when I suggested that perhaps it was one of these soft toys which gets washed regularly and that it might even have been washed for taking on holiday.
Ten weeks of clutching a toy in sweaty, dirty hands and she gets vilified for washing it! Like so much else that has been said about them, it beggars belief.
Hi Jayelles, One thing I did learn while studying this case is that CC could have been washed 7 times and Eddie would still have sniffed the death scent in it.
Also I believe there were 3 CC's. She interchanged them as is seen in different photos. It must have been karmaic that Eddie sniffed the one I believe that was in the cupboard. Amaral speaks to that sniffing by Eddie in his reconstruction tape {the video of his book The Truth of the Lie}, and it is very interesting.
Texana
05-05-2009, 10:15 PM
Here's one of the few quotes I can find from Gerry, and it's something he has said before.
This is Leicestershire - Oprah Show (http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/talk-day/article-938422-detail/article.html)
Alive, ok, but "well"? That's taking a big leap of logic there.
Every time he says that, it weirds me out. His attitude just doesn't fit the idea of abduction, which is indeed "harmful" to a small child. Being carried away by someone in the night is "harm." Being forced to live away from her family is "harm." Whatever other horrors that might be happening to her if she is alive are "harmful."
I wish I knew Gerry's definition of "harming" a child. :waitasec:
Most parents are more like Kate and fall apart, either in sadness or anger. Gerry is one cool customer every single time.
Hey Thoughtfox, how are ya--
Bingo, exactly what I feel when Gerry says that Madeleine is alive but "well" and Kate talks about someone doing the "little things" for Madeleine. It's the same thing we saw this summer when they said they hoped she was "being treated like a princess."
It is a degree of disconnect with reality that is almost pathological. They have said they believe they were literally stalked and watched for the opportunity to take Madeleine, they talk about pedophilia rings, and then this.
There are two choices here: They really do have a ginormous disconnect with reality, which might be true based on their repeated assertions that it felt "safe" to leave the children alone or b) they are, as I think is very possible, talking about Madeleine being alive in heaven.
Claycat
05-06-2009, 07:53 PM
Most recent Eyes for Lies post about the McCanns on Oprah:
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/05/kate-and-jerry-mccann-on-oprah.html
"Many of you (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/05/set-your-dvrs-mccanns-on-oprah-tomorrow.html) said you were going to watch the McCanns on Oprah this week. I watched it with the saddest of heart, yet an open mind, just in case I have missed something in the past. I have always believed (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2007/05/madeline-mccanns-parents.html) the McCanns were honest, and after watching this interview, I still feel strongly that they are not involved in their daughter's disappearance."
More at link...
Isabella
05-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Most recent Eyes for Lies post about the McCanns on Oprah:
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/05/kate-and-jerry-mccann-on-oprah.html
"Many of you (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/05/set-your-dvrs-mccanns-on-oprah-tomorrow.html) said you were going to watch the McCanns on Oprah this week. I watched it with the saddest of heart, yet an open mind, just in case I have missed something in the past. I have always believed (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2007/05/madeline-mccanns-parents.html) the McCanns were honest, and after watching this interview, I still feel strongly that they are not involved in their daughter's disappearance."
More at link...
I wonder..how many versions of a event can you give...and still be "honest".
I do wonder how closely some of these blogs have even FOLLOWED the story properly
JMO
Claycat
05-06-2009, 08:44 PM
The person on Eyes for Lies is a human lie detector. This person responds to video where the voice and body language are examined for signs of lying. It's where they got the idea for that new TV show. You should read about the person. It's very interesting.
Isabella
05-06-2009, 08:48 PM
The person on Eyes for Lies is a human lie detector. This person responds to video where the voice and body language are examined for signs of lying. It's where they got the idea for that new TV show. You should read about the person. It's very interesting.
Thats all very well but i think i will keep with the proper lie detector...although for some reason they refuse to have one.
rmmbr_Cara
05-08-2009, 03:23 PM
I know of other people in the early months of this case who also read the characteristics of the parents when they gave interviews, and they said the McCanns were obviously lying. If the behavior of the parents has now changed and they appear at ease, it only means they have practiced how to look like they're telling the truth. They've had two years to get it right.
Barnaby
05-08-2009, 10:21 PM
I know of other people in the early months of this case who also read the characteristics of the parents when they gave interviews, and they said the McCanns were obviously lying. If the behavior of the parents has now changed and they appear at ease, it only means they have practiced how to look like they're telling the truth. They've had two years to get it right.
Yes you lie often enough you begin to believe it is the truth!
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