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arielilane
04-11-2009, 03:41 PM
Continue here, please.


Inmate Name: HUCKABY, MELISSA Aliases: HUCKABY, MELISSA CHANTEL Booking Number: 09-09082 Date of Birth: 02/23/1981 Gender: Female Height: 5'03" Weight: 125 Visiting: 24 Hour Lobby Visiting (http://www.sjgov.org/sheriff/custhours.htm) Mailing Address:
Mailing Information (http://www.sjgov.org/sheriff/custrules.htm#Mail) HUCKABY, MELISSA / 09-09082
San Joaquin County Jail
999 West Mathews Road
French Camp, CA 95231 Booking Date/Time: 04/11/2009 at 03:25 AM Projected Release Date: None Arresting Agency: TRACY POLICE DEPARTMENT Type of Arrest: Charges/Bail: Case# Pending (00) - No Bail PC 187 Felony MURDER PC 187(A) Felony MURDER PC 207(A) Felony KIDNAPPING Total Bail: Bail not Allowed Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM Court Location & Department: Manteca Branch (http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/courtloc4.htm) Department: I

First thread:
Melissa Huckaby (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82776)

amysmom
04-11-2009, 03:56 PM
posted it above ^^^ but here it is again. it is in the video box on the right of this link http://cbs13.com/sandracantu titled raw interview with suspect in cantu murder. It cuts off at the end where Melissa states she got a call from the mother in the middle of the night again... so we don't hear the "drug part" per se. The rest of the incident is in her words, tho.TY!

I've listened to this many xs but never heard the "drug part" so I was wondering what the PROBLEM was! :confused: Now I know but I still don't get where exactly it comes from..Was it LE? Media?

passionflower
04-11-2009, 03:56 PM
IMO, she did not act alone...............
I'm waiting for another arrest.
Do we know when there will be another presser???

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 03:56 PM
BB12 GREAT READ! You should be a reporter! Thanks! Hmmmm...except I noticed some of what was reported being my exact words with no mention they came from me or this website. :waitasec: Was this posted elsewhere, BB?

amysmom
04-11-2009, 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching
Wow!! Now she is placing herself at the dump site?! WTH?!

Huckaby also says she has spent some time on the farm near the irrigation ditch where Sandra Cantu's body was discovered in suitcase that closely resembles the one she reports missing.
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_s...90&feedID=2674

They might as well go ahead and cuff n stuff this one!!

Sorry SS! The link doesn't work :(

Got another one? :)

JDB
04-11-2009, 04:01 PM
IMO, she did not act alone...............
I'm waiting for another arrest.
Do we know when there will be another presser???

No mention of another presser as of yet. And please do not hold your breath for another arrest. Melissa is big enough to do this all by her self.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
Try this one: http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Church-Teacher-Says-Suitcase-Stolen-The-=1&blockID=263590&feedID=2674

momtective
04-11-2009, 04:03 PM
Since my question is now on the previous thread I will ask it again because I think we need to give this a little thought...If Melissa acted alone then how did Fred W. know so much about that suitcase? Before Melissa ever entered the realm of possible suspects Fred W. was shooting off his mouth about the suitcase. Personally....I think he is involved...JMHO

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:04 PM
No mention of another presser as of yet. And please do not hold your breath for another arrest. Melissa is big enough to do this all by her self.

At the last presser it was said they didn't know when or if there'd be another one..Hope I heard that right!

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:06 PM
At the last presser it was said they didn't know when or if there'd be another one..Hope I heard that right!

You heard correct, but I do think it is to throw off other suspects! IMO

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:06 PM
Since my question is now on the previous thread I will ask it again because I think we need to give this a little thought...If Melissa acted alone then how did Fred W. know so much about that suitcase? Before Melissa ever entered the realm of possible suspects Fred W. was shooting off his mouth about the suitcase. Personally....I think he is involved...JMHO

What did Fred say he knew about the suitcase?

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:07 PM
I think Melissa told him it was stolen and he believed her. I don't think he was involved, but it is possible he was putting her stories together and could have been the person seen out by the irrigation pond in the truck looking for the suitcase.

FishingFunnyFrog
04-11-2009, 04:08 PM
Since my question is now on the previous thread I will ask it again because I think we need to give this a little thought...If Melissa acted alone then how did Fred W. know so much about that suitcase? Before Melissa ever entered the realm of possible suspects Fred W. was shooting off his mouth about the suitcase. Personally....I think he is involved...JMHO

I too think FW is involved. BUT could Melissa have lied to him early on about her suitcase being stolen and the contents being for his rummage sale? Then she later changes her story when being interviewed and says the contents of her suitcase were Sunday School room redecorating supplies? Either way their stories of the suitcase do not match up.

JDB
04-11-2009, 04:08 PM
Since my question is now on the previous thread I will ask it again because I think we need to give this a little thought...If Melissa acted alone then how did Fred W. know so much about that suitcase? Before Melissa ever entered the realm of possible suspects Fred W. was shooting off his mouth about the suitcase. Personally....I think he is involved...JMHO

IMHO She told him that the suitcase was missing. Hoping to cover her tracks.After all he was a chruch memeber

arielilane
04-11-2009, 04:09 PM
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CLIFF NOTE VERSION

Sandra C. - Murderer ARRESTED
Melissa Chantel La**ess Hu**aby age 28
Married John Hu**aby (Divorce proceedings-on going)
Melissa Chantel La**ess
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1981
Birth County: Orange
West High School graduate from Sept 1 1995 to June 30, 1999
Melissa Hu**aby admitted to:

1) Owning the suitcase in which Sandra's body was found.

2) Seeing Sandra at the time she went missing (last known person to see her alive).

3) Going to the church during the time Sandra went missing.

4) Admitting she has frequented the dump site where Sandra's body was found in HER suitcase.

5) Having a note which details the exact location of Sandra's body.

6) Having no alibi at the time Sandra went missing unless she was seen at the church by someone else.

Christian S**clair, 49, (RUMORED TO BE MELISSA BOY FRIEND) (AGE DOES NOT MATCH UP IN MY BOOK) was arrested last week for obstructing the police investigation and has been described in court records as alcoholic and abusive.
A friend of Sinclair, David Sla**er, 44, whose home and cars were searched, was questioned by police last week. Sla**er admitted Sandra had been in his home several times. Another rumor is that F. Williams is Mellisa's BF and he recently beat her up?

Huckaby says she has spent some time on the farm near the irrigation ditch where Sandra C. body was discovered in suitcase

Huckaby said that she found a note the day after Cantu's disappearance. Found the note near Sandra C. trailer/home.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'" Whitehall Road is exactly where Sandra was found.

The "murder weapon" that is still missing. Speculation: the blinds were removed from the Lawless home - i.e. the cord. and/or the blinds where removed from Slayter's trailer home.

Bamboo blinds were pulled from the mobile home.
http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html# (http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html#)
Checked the Superior Court records in Orange County CA and she has 2 traffic violations.


Police said the have identified the murder site, however, they will not disclose this to the public at this time. Rumor has it -the location is the church and or shed at the church.

Police said they have no other suspects and no other arrest will be made at this time. Most people do not believe this.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Chantel Hu**aby was arrested at 11:55 p.m. Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and killing 8-year-old Sandra C. The 28-year-old Hu**aby is a Sunday school teacher and the granddaughter of the pastor of Clover Road Baptist Church.
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A few things we know about who Melissa is:

Huckaby is the granddaughter of Clifford Lane La**ess, pastor of the Clover Road Baptist Church, located just down the street from Sandra's house.

-Clifford Lane La**ess (77) and Connie (grandparents)
-Brian (47) -Judy's (49) (La**ess) parents they live 5 hours away
-2 younger brothers
-Adam (23) is in the military in Virginia
-Caleb (21) is in college in Long Beach
-She has at least 1 daughter


Melissa’s last myspace login was on 4/3/09. Her mood was set to "crazy". Her status was "~MEL to the ISSA~ is high on life! lol" It appears LE has not logged into her myspace account since the last login date was before Sandra was found.

Huckaby was booked into the San Joaquin County jail about 3:25 a.m. (6:25 a.m. ET), according to the sheriff's Web site. She faces charges of kidnapping and murder, and is set to appear in court Tuesday.

www.myspace.com/Cinderella888 (http://www.myspace.com/Cinderella888)

http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/t...=view¤t=ML.jpg (http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/LaShots/?action=view¤t=ML.jpg)

Uncle - Lane "Brian" La**ess
Julianne (sister?)
Emily is Melissa's cousin. -"hoping my family will be okay"
http://www.facebook.com/people/Melis...aby/1258777755 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-Huckaby/1258777755)

Huckaby was not at the first vigil for Sandra, but there was an indication from people at the second that she attended that one.

SHE WAS ARRESTED 2 TIMES IN THE PAST: she is the one who was hospitalized a few days ago and police sat outside the hospital just sitting there------sounds like this lady is mentally odd----she has some major issues---Sounds like police thought it was her and her suitcase on day one.

Huckaby was recently convicted for petty theft in San Joaquin County, and was scheduled to appear in court on April 17 to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence.

According to court records, Huckaby had claimed she was not mentally competent to stand trial in the case. The judge ordered her to be examined by physicians. Later, it was determined that she was competent and she pleaded no contest.

In an interview with the local newspaper on Friday, Huckaby said someone else by the same name was charged for the November theft from a Target store.

Huckaby was also convicted by Superior Court in Los Angeles County in November of 2006 for a petty theft in Bellflower, records showed.

Huckaby said her suitcase had an Eddie Bauer logo and was waterproof and charcoal-trimmed. Those details matched a general description of the suitcase that Sandra's body was found inside.

Huckaby claimed it was packed with things to redo her classroom. (Sunday school teacher)

While Huckaby said she has spoken to authorities, she did not know if her missing suitcase was indeed the one that held the girl's body.

Huckaby said she was packing up the car to go do some work at the nearby church on March 27 — but ended up leaving the suitcase next to her car because she forgot to pack it. About 30 minutes later, when she realized she forgot it, she said she left her grandfather's church and went back to the mobile home park to retrieve her suitcase, but by then it was gone.

Huckaby said Sandra often played with her own daughter, and that Sandra had come over that day, but Huckaby said she told the girl to go away because she was too busy.

In a phone interview on Friday, Huckaby had told KPIX that Sandra visited her home March 27, the day she disappeared, to play with her 5-year-old daughter. Huckaby also said she had left a suitcase in the driveway that day, and that it was missing.
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Huckaby was arrested at the Tracy Police Department, where she had gone voluntarily for questioning nearly five hours earlier, police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sh**eman said.
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She was booked into custody at 2:49 a.m. Saturday at San Joaquin County Jail.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone.

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase, someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then because, you know, kids were getting out of school and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by just took it.”

She called Tracy police intending to file a report, but decided to do it online. She never got around to it. Key word is called, however, police said no such call was made.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...ead_story&open (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...ead_story&open)

Police found Sandra’s dead body in a black suitcase submerged in a dairy lagoon 2 miles north of the mobile home park.
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Earlier Friday evening, FBI agents and police were seen at the Baptist church, where they loaded what looked like a fold-up bed into a crime scene van. They had searched the church on Monday.

Huckaby told the Tracy Press that she and her 5-year-old daughter had lived for the past year with her grandparents and that on March 27 Sandra had stopped by her house and asked to play with her daughter. Huckaby said she’d said no, because her daughter needed to pick up her toys and that Sandra went to another friend’s home.
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Huckaby’s dark purple Kia SUV was towed and searched by police Tuesday night.
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When she talked to the Tracy Press Friday, she said she wasn’t the same Melissa Huckaby who pleaded no contest Jan. 9 to a felony charge of second-degree commercial burglary and a misdemeanor charge of petty theft after being arrested in November 2008 for trying to steal something from Target. She had been examined by doctors and was deemed mentally competent to stand trial. She was due back in court next week for sentencing.

Huckaby was released Thursday from Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, where she spent several days in the intensive care unit for what she described as “internal bleeding.” Police were stationed at the hospital during her stay. (Suicide would be approx 3 days, ulcer would be at least 2 days, how can one be in intensive care and then go home??? Speculation is she swallowed her relatives Coumadin (warfarin) pills (blood thinners)
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Police announced Friday a $32,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer of Sandra Cantu, last seen in a surveillance video skipping down the street near her mobile home.

Target - Eddie Bauer Luggage $99 not 200

http://www.localcrimenews.com/lookup.php?jid=3301990 (http://www.localcrimenews.com/lookup.php?jid=3301990)
812 W Clover Rd Spc 57
Tracy , CA 95376-1712

Reported: 11/03/2008 by Crime Reporter No. 7195
Source: Tracy PD

F PC459 Burglary
F PC666 Petty Theft With Prior

Fundraiser for Sandra
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...bullets&open=& (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2299321-Briefs&widget=push&article-Briefs%20=&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&)

Check out this video. It is the second one down on the left with 3 men standing in front of a shed. About 1 minute and 7 seconds into the video, the reporter says the note was found at Sandra's Home!
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us...s-Found--.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Man-Reported-at-Pond-Where-Tracy-Girl-Was-Found--.html)

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19156648/index.html (http://www.ktvu.com/video/19156648/index.html)
10 am Sat. News Conference.


NBC is reporting Huckaby was questioned by investigators a few months ago after taking a 7 year old to the park--7 year old came back with narcotics in her system. See the above video/phone interview with Melissa. Bottom line: speculation is police are looking for a sex tape child molesting video ring---searching the church roof top for a receiver etc. all angles are being looked at along with the connection to all the child molesters?? All rumors!

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:10 PM
Try this one: http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Church-Teacher-Says-Suitcase-Stolen-The-=1&blockID=263590&feedID=2674

Got it now..TY!..Why would she ever admit to this? It's like she wanted to be caught..Nothing else makes sense to me!

What makes even LESS sense to me is that LE just removed the mattress (from the shed?) yesterday.. Why the hell was that left behind? :waitasec:

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:10 PM
Was it Fred that placed the 'To forgive the killer' letter???
I can see Fred being in with MH. Maybe not MH with him........????
the church is the KEY ties allot together in this story.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:12 PM
I too think FW is involved. BUT could Melissa have lied to him early on about her suitcase being stolen and the contents being for his rummage sale? Then she later changes her story when being interviewed and says the contents of her suitcase were Sunday School room redecorating supplies? Either way their stories of the suitcase do not match up.

then another story about suitcase IIRC is the 4 family yard sale of Fred's

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:13 PM
IMHO She told him that the suitcase was missing. Hoping to cover her tracks.After all he was a chruch memeber

Looks like she told MANY ppl about the suitcase:

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase, someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then because, you know, kids were getting out of school and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by just took it.”

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Was it Fred that placed the 'To forgive the killer' letter???
I can see Fred being in with MH. Maybe not MH with him........????
the church is the KEY ties allot together in this story.

Ahhhh! Could be him or maybe it was her? Last I heard LE was checking the note for saliva..Wonder if they got any!

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:16 PM
You heard correct, but I do think it is to throw off other suspects! IMOThere are no other suspects, imo, and according to LE.

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:21 PM
NBC is reporting Huckaby was questioned by investigators a few months ago after taking a 7 year old to the park--7 year old came back with narcotics in her system

So! NBC reported "narcotics" were found in the 7 yr old..Do we know if this the ONLY source & WHO this child is?

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:23 PM
Yes. It was Sandra Cantu.

Tyra1003
04-11-2009, 04:23 PM
Was it Fred that placed the 'To forgive the killer' letter???
I can see Fred being in with MH. Maybe not MH with him........????
the church is the KEY ties allot together in this story.


I read on another site (can't post, u may figure out which one) that it was confirmed to be F. Williams. He was caught on video leaving it.

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Yes. It was Sandra Cantu.

K! So it was Sandra! And nothing was done by LE about this incident & her family still let her go to that house? Just more things that make NO sense to me! :waitasec:

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:26 PM
Melissa Huckaby is the daughter of Brian Lawless, who is also affilliated with a Baptist Church; NOT his dad’s.

She is NOT a Sunday School teacher at the Clover Baptist Church which her grandfather Lane Lawless is a pastor.

Huckaby is a volunteer Sunday School teacher and Church Choir member at the First Missionary Baptist Church in Bellflower, CA. Located at 9246 Rosser St, FMBC shows both Huckaby’s Father and Uncle, Brett Lawless, are assistant pastors or Bible Class educators in a church completely unaffilliated with their Fathers. Odd.

15 members and has not had actual services since 2007.

Cantu/ suitcase/ letter written by Huckaby prior to a suicide attempt !

Pulled this off an article I found from another site

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:27 PM
I read on another site (can't post, u may figure out which one) that it was confirmed to be F. Williams. He was caught on video leaving it.

Wow! This is ALL so unbelievable! :eek:

panthera
04-11-2009, 04:27 PM
So! NBC reported "narcotics" were found in the 7 yr old..Do we know if this the ONLY source & WHO this child is?
It's not surprising to me, if it is true. It would fit in with the ME waiting for the toxicology results on Sandra to make a determination on her COD. I do think drugs were involved, but maybe for another purpose ~ like child porn? MOO

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:28 PM
Gee, BB...does this look familiar? Was this posted on another site besides WS?

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching:

This was posted by me yesterday on page 12 of this thread when we were discussing MH.

Melissa Huckaby admitted to:

1) Owning the suitcase in which Sandra's body was found.

2) Seeing Sandra at the time she went missing (last known person to see her alive).

3) Going to the church during the time Sandra went missing.

4) Admitting she has frequented the dump site where Sandra's body was found in HER suitcase.

5) Having a note which details the exact location of Sandra's body.

6) Having no alibi at the time Sandra went missing unless she was seen at the church by someone else.

stilettos
04-11-2009, 04:31 PM
Gee, BB...does this look familiar? Was this posted on another site besides WS?

IDK about the post SS...just taking the time to :clap::clap::clap::clap:on your hard work. Great sleuthing!

momtective
04-11-2009, 04:32 PM
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CLIFF NOTE VERSION

Sandra C. - Murderer ARRESTED
Melissa Chantel La**ess Hu**aby age 28
Married John Hu**aby (Divorce proceedings-on going)
Melissa Chantel La**ess
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1981
Birth County: Orange
West High School graduate from Sept 1 1995 to June 30, 1999
Melissa Hu**aby admitted to:

1) Owning the suitcase in which Sandra's body was found.

2) Seeing Sandra at the time she went missing (last known person to see her alive).

3) Going to the church during the time Sandra went missing.

4) Admitting she has frequented the dump site where Sandra's body was found in HER suitcase.

5) Having a note which details the exact location of Sandra's body.

6) Having no alibi at the time Sandra went missing unless she was seen at the church by someone else.

Christian S**clair, 49, (RUMORED TO BE MELISSA BOY FRIEND) (AGE DOES NOT MATCH UP IN MY BOOK) was arrested last week for obstructing the police investigation and has been described in court records as alcoholic and abusive.
A friend of Sinclair, David Sla**er, 44, whose home and cars were searched, was questioned by police last week. Sla**er admitted Sandra had been in his home several times. Another rumor is that F. Williams is Mellisa's BF and he recently beat her up?

Huckaby says she has spent some time on the farm near the irrigation ditch where Sandra C. body was discovered in suitcase

Huckaby said that she found a note the day after Cantu's disappearance. Found the note near Sandra C. trailer/home.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'" Whitehall Road is exactly where Sandra was found.

The "murder weapon" that is still missing. Speculation: the blinds were removed from the Lawless home - i.e. the cord. and/or the blinds where removed from Slayter's trailer home.

Bamboo blinds were pulled from the mobile home.
http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html# (http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html#)
Checked the Superior Court records in Orange County CA and she has 2 traffic violations.


Police said the have identified the murder site, however, they will not disclose this to the public at this time. Rumor has it -the location is the church and or shed at the church.

Police said they have no other suspects and no other arrest will be made at this time. Most people do not believe this.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Chantel Hu**aby was arrested at 11:55 p.m. Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and killing 8-year-old Sandra C. The 28-year-old Hu**aby is a Sunday school teacher and the granddaughter of the pastor of Clover Road Baptist Church.
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A few things we know about who Melissa is:

Huckaby is the granddaughter of Clifford Lane La**ess, pastor of the Clover Road Baptist Church, located just down the street from Sandra's house.

-Clifford Lane La**ess (77) and Connie (grandparents)
-Brian (47) -Judy's (49) (La**ess) parents they live 5 hours away
-2 younger brothers
-Adam (23) is in the military in Virginia
-Caleb (21) is in college in Long Beach
-She has at least 1 daughter


Melissa’s last myspace login was on 4/3/09. Her mood was set to "crazy". Her status was "~MEL to the ISSA~ is high on life! lol" It appears LE has not logged into her myspace account since the last login date was before Sandra was found.

melissa's facebook http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-Huckaby/1258777755

Huckaby was booked into the San Joaquin County jail about 3:25 a.m. (6:25 a.m. ET), according to the sheriff's Web site. She faces charges of kidnapping and murder, and is set to appear in court Tuesday.

www.myspace.com/Cinderella888 (http://www.myspace.com/Cinderella888)

http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/t...=view¤t=ML.jpg (http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/LaShots/?action=view¤t=ML.jpg)

Uncle - Lane "Brian" La**ess
Julianne (sister?)
Emily is Melissa's cousin. -"hoping my family will be okay"
http://www.facebook.com/people/Melis...aby/1258777755 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-Huckaby/1258777755)

Huckaby was not at the first vigil for Sandra, but there was an indication from people at the second that she attended that one.

SHE WAS ARRESTED 2 TIMES IN THE PAST: she is the one who was hospitalized a few days ago and police sat outside the hospital just sitting there------sounds like this lady is mentally odd----she has some major issues---Sounds like police thought it was her and her suitcase on day one.

Huckaby was recently convicted for petty theft in San Joaquin County, and was scheduled to appear in court on April 17 to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence.

According to court records, Huckaby had claimed she was not mentally competent to stand trial in the case. The judge ordered her to be examined by physicians. Later, it was determined that she was competent and she pleaded no contest.

In an interview with the local newspaper on Friday, Huckaby said someone else by the same name was charged for the November theft from a Target store.

Huckaby was also convicted by Superior Court in Los Angeles County in November of 2006 for a petty theft in Bellflower, records showed.

Huckaby said her suitcase had an Eddie Bauer logo and was waterproof and charcoal-trimmed. Those details matched a general description of the suitcase that Sandra's body was found inside.

Huckaby claimed it was packed with things to redo her classroom. (Sunday school teacher)

While Huckaby said she has spoken to authorities, she did not know if her missing suitcase was indeed the one that held the girl's body.

Huckaby said she was packing up the car to go do some work at the nearby church on March 27 — but ended up leaving the suitcase next to her car because she forgot to pack it. About 30 minutes later, when she realized she forgot it, she said she left her grandfather's church and went back to the mobile home park to retrieve her suitcase, but by then it was gone.

Huckaby said Sandra often played with her own daughter, and that Sandra had come over that day, but Huckaby said she told the girl to go away because she was too busy.

In a phone interview on Friday, Huckaby had told KPIX that Sandra visited her home March 27, the day she disappeared, to play with her 5-year-old daughter. Huckaby also said she had left a suitcase in the driveway that day, and that it was missing.
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Huckaby was arrested at the Tracy Police Department, where she had gone voluntarily for questioning nearly five hours earlier, police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sh**eman said.
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She was booked into custody at 2:49 a.m. Saturday at San Joaquin County Jail.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone.

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase, someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then because, you know, kids were getting out of school and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by just took it.”

She called Tracy police intending to file a report, but decided to do it online. She never got around to it. Key word is called, however, police said no such call was made.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...ead_story&open (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...ead_story&open)

Police found Sandra’s dead body in a black suitcase submerged in a dairy lagoon 2 miles north of the mobile home park.
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Earlier Friday evening, FBI agents and police were seen at the Baptist church, where they loaded what looked like a fold-up bed into a crime scene van. They had searched the church on Monday.

Huckaby told the Tracy Press that she and her 5-year-old daughter had lived for the past year with her grandparents and that on March 27 Sandra had stopped by her house and asked to play with her daughter. Huckaby said she’d said no, because her daughter needed to pick up her toys and that Sandra went to another friend’s home.
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Huckaby’s dark purple Kia SUV was towed and searched by police Tuesday night.
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When she talked to the Tracy Press Friday, she said she wasn’t the same Melissa Huckaby who pleaded no contest Jan. 9 to a felony charge of second-degree commercial burglary and a misdemeanor charge of petty theft after being arrested in November 2008 for trying to steal something from Target. She had been examined by doctors and was deemed mentally competent to stand trial. She was due back in court next week for sentencing.

Huckaby was released Thursday from Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, where she spent several days in the intensive care unit for what she described as “internal bleeding.” Police were stationed at the hospital during her stay. (Suicide would be approx 3 days, ulcer would be at least 2 days, how can one be in intensive care and then go home??? Speculation is she swallowed her relatives Coumadin (warfarin) pills (blood thinners)
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Police announced Friday a $32,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer of Sandra Cantu, last seen in a surveillance video skipping down the street near her mobile home.

Target - Eddie Bauer Luggage $99 not 200

http://www.localcrimenews.com/lookup.php?jid=3301990 (http://www.localcrimenews.com/lookup.php?jid=3301990)
812 W Clover Rd Spc 57
Tracy , CA 95376-1712

Reported: 11/03/2008 by Crime Reporter No. 7195
Source: Tracy PD

F PC459 Burglary
F PC666 Petty Theft With Prior

Fundraiser for Sandra
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...bullets&open=& (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2299321-Briefs&widget=push&article-Briefs%20=&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&)

Check out this video. It is the second one down on the left with 3 men standing in front of a shed. About 1 minute and 7 seconds into the video, the reporter says the note was found at Sandra's Home!
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us...s-Found--.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Man-Reported-at-Pond-Where-Tracy-Girl-Was-Found--.html)

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19156648/index.html (http://www.ktvu.com/video/19156648/index.html)
10 am Sat. News Conference.


NBC is reporting Huckaby was questioned by investigators a few months ago after taking a 7 year old to the park--7 year old came back with narcotics in her system. See the above video/phone interview with Melissa. Bottom line: speculation is police are looking for a sex tape child molesting video ring---searching the church roof top for a receiver etc. all angles are being looked at along with the connection to all the child molesters?? All rumors!

My edit to add her facebook http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-Huckaby/1258777755

Excellent synopsis BB12 & SeriouslySearching TY

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 04:36 PM
Yes. It was Sandra Cantu.

Do we have a source for this? I just can't wrap my head around the thought that her family would let her play there/be around her if this was the case.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:38 PM
Our source for the information comes from one of our posters, JDB. You won't find a link anywhere else except on this site. :) Thanks, JDB!

ETA: LOL Momtective! Thanks...it wasn't that I wanted credit...I just want to know where my words are being used tho. ;) (Hope that makes sense)

momtective
04-11-2009, 04:39 PM
What did Fred say he knew about the suitcase?



http://www.ksbw.com/news/19127557/detail.html
POSTED: 8:46 am PDT April 8, 2009
UPDATED: 4:23 pm PDT April 8, 2009
snipped*

Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and Lawless are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun-loving kind of guy that he is."

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen the same day Cantu disappeared. However, Sheneman said police received no report of any stolen luggage.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:39 PM
a woman with a history of drug abuse, a juvenile record and current theft charges, who has been investigated for narcotics being found in a small girl. Investigating 60 Sex Offenders. Fred Williams, a church member/caretaker with access to the church and shed who lies about a rummage sale, is seen on video dropping off the “letter to Sandra’s killer” at the memorial site. Fred lives in a 4,000 sq Ft. home worth over half a mill with extensive rap sheets for him and wife.. Was that note to Mel to the Issa to keep quiet?

This is the tip of the iceberg within Orchard Estates and the Clover Baptist Church. Rumor is Christian Sinclair and Huckaby are “dating.” Sinclair's Cadillac, pictured next to Huckaby’s KIA is still in the FBI Forensic Bay:

snipped from a site we don't mention ..............I changed the wording to shorten it

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 04:42 PM
Our source for the information comes from one of our posters, JDB. You won't find a link anywhere else except on this site. :) Thanks, JDB!


This is the same incident reported by the person who knows someone who knows someone that says this happened?

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:44 PM
K! So it was Sandra! And nothing was done by LE about this incident & her family still let her go to that house? Just more things that make NO sense to me! :waitasec:

If family knew this WHY!!! would they ever let her go to that house!:eek:

momtective
04-11-2009, 04:46 PM
a woman with a history of drug abuse, a juvenile record and current theft charges, who has been investigated for narcotics being found in a small girl. Investigating 60 Sex Offenders. Fred Williams, a church member/caretaker with access to the church and shed who lies about a rummage sale, is seen on video dropping off the “letter to Sandra’s killer” at the memorial site. Fred lives in a 4,000 sq Ft. home worth over half a mill with extensive rap sheets for him and wife.. Was that note to Mel to the Issa to keep quiet?

This is the tip of the iceberg within Orchard Estates and the Clover Baptist Church. Rumor is Christian Sinclair and Huckaby are “dating.” Sinclair's Cadillac, pictured next to Huckaby’s KIA is still in the FBI Forensic Bay:

snipped from a site we don't mention ..............I changed the wording to shorten it

If this isn't just the tip of the iceberg, I will be shocked:eek:

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:47 PM
Do we have a source for this? I just can't wrap my head around the thought that her family would let her play there/be around her if this was the case.

I read this also on another site...........

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:47 PM
http://www.ksbw.com/news/19127557/detail.html
POSTED: 8:46 am PDT April 8, 2009
UPDATED: 4:23 pm PDT April 8, 2009
snipped*

Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and Lawless are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun-loving kind of guy that he is."

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen the same day Cantu disappeared. However, Sheneman said police received no report of any stolen luggage.

TY!..But since she told so MANY others (see below) I'm not sure how much we can make of Fred knowing unless she's LYING about this?

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase, someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then because, you know, kids were getting out of school and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by just took it.”

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:47 PM
I still don't buy it. I could be wrong, but she and I have disagreed before on another case (only lately tho...we used to nevah disagree. :( I guess I have gone rogue.)

jblfelines
04-11-2009, 04:49 PM
a woman with a history of drug abuse, a juvenile record and current theft charges, who has been investigated for narcotics being found in a small girl. Investigating 60 Sex Offenders. Fred Williams, a church member/caretaker with access to the church and shed who lies about a rummage sale, is seen on video dropping off the “letter to Sandra’s killer” at the memorial site. Fred lives in a 4,000 sq Ft. home worth over half a mill with extensive rap sheets for him and wife.. Was that note to Mel to the Issa to keep quiet?

This is the tip of the iceberg within Orchard Estates and the Clover Baptist Church. Rumor is Christian Sinclair and Huckaby are “dating.” Sinclair's Cadillac, pictured next to Huckaby’s KIA is still in the FBI Forensic Bay:

snipped from a site we don't mention ..............I changed the wording to shorten it
That house sounds a bit much to own on a caretaker salary.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:50 PM
I read this also on another site...........Well...they didn't hear it from me! JDB mentioned it to me in pms early yesterday.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:51 PM
http://www.ksbw.com/news/19127557/detail.html
POSTED: 8:46 am PDT April 8, 2009
UPDATED: 4:23 pm PDT April 8, 2009
snipped*

Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and Lawless are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun-loving kind of guy that he is."

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen the same day Cantu disappeared. However, Sheneman said police received no report of any stolen luggage.


I read this church has 15 active members in it............lets count them!
who we KNOW are members!
Lane
Connie
Fred
Anita?
Melissa?
Sinclair?
help...............

amysmom
04-11-2009, 04:52 PM
That house sounds a bit much to own on a caretaker salary.

He also does not LOOK like he lives that lifestyle so are we sure this info is correct?

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 04:53 PM
This is the same incident reported by the person who knows someone who knows someone that says this happened?Yes. Here you go:

Originally Posted by JDB
Well with the news of MH being arrested I feel I can share this now. SS can verify what I am saying is true. As I PM her yesterday after I heard it from a guy at work that lives in Tracy. I did not want to say iit on the board at the time as it is hearsay but it now makes sense.

His MIl works with someone that lives in the MHP. She waas told that 6 months ago Sandra was found behind a bldg in the MHP unresponsive. She was rushed to the hospital and it was ruled a Drug overdose. It was MH who gave her the drugs.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:56 PM
Well...they didn't hear it from me! JDB mentioned it to me in pms early yesterday after being told by his friend who has a mil living in the mhp.

no it was not from you. I read it over at a site we can't mention.
I also read it from JDB post early today I believe

panthera
04-11-2009, 04:57 PM
If this isn't just the tip of the iceberg, I will be shocked:eek:
So will I.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 04:59 PM
I was watching COPS/drug bust........MH has same boney forehead as a meth junkie had on TV. Does meth make your head boney?

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 05:00 PM
a woman with a history of drug abuse, a juvenile record and current theft charges, who has been investigated for narcotics being found in a small girl. Investigating 60 Sex Offenders. Fred Williams, a church member/caretaker with access to the church and shed who lies about a rummage sale, is seen on video dropping off the “letter to Sandra’s killer” at the memorial site. Fred lives in a 4,000 sq Ft. home worth over half a mill with extensive rap sheets for him and wife.. Was that note to Mel to the Issa to keep quiet?

This is the tip of the iceberg within Orchard Estates and the Clover Baptist Church. Rumor is Christian Sinclair and Huckaby are “dating.” Sinclair's Cadillac, pictured next to Huckaby’s KIA is still in the FBI Forensic Bay:

snipped from a site we don't mention ..............I changed the wording to shorten it

Respectfully, I don't know if anyone has seen the clip I posted in the F Wil thread where he is asked about the investigation, this man lives in a mobile home park in Lathrop, not the large house with the boat that has been speculated about in precious posts.

Believe me, I know where he lives not not mean he's not creepy, cause he does appear that way to me. I'm new to WS but have been following this case very closely since the beginning (I'm about an hour away from Tracy). And, I know this is all speculation on everyone's part, it's just hard not to speak up when something may be false info. Not trying to be rude!

Manny
04-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Do we have a source for this? I just can't wrap my head around the thought that her family would let her play there/be around her if this was the case.
I think the 7 year old was another case ,another ? Is that not so? The Det.wasn't giving out any autopsy results soo.. don't think it was this case.

ladybug
04-11-2009, 05:02 PM
I was watching COPS/drug bust........MH has same boney forehead as a meth junkie had on TV. Does meth make your head boney?

Not sure about boniness, but I do know that meth is HUGE in the central valley.

carlos1111
04-11-2009, 05:04 PM
Is M H taking the fall for someone else like her grandpa, the Pastor???? This just doesnt make sense to me...

amysmom
04-11-2009, 05:05 PM
Yes. Here you go:



Yes. Here you go:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB
Well with the news of MH being arrested I feel I can share this now. SS can verify what I am saying is true. As I PM her yesterday after I heard it from a guy at work that lives in Tracy. I did not want to say iit on the board at the time as it is hearsay but it now makes sense.

His MIl works with someone that lives in the MHP. She waas told that 6 months ago Sandra was found behind a bldg in the MHP unresponsive. She was rushed to the hospital and it was ruled a Drug overdose. It was MH who gave her the drugs.

Is it possible LE didn't know it was MH who gave her the drugs? That would explain no charges & why Sandra was still allowed to go there but if others in the MBP heard it was her, or even possibly her, why didn't they come forward? I know most don't want to get involved but it may have SAVED her life. :(

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 05:06 PM
Yes. Here you go:

With all due respect, isn't it still hearsay?

passionflower
04-11-2009, 05:07 PM
Respectfully, I don't know if anyone has seen the clip I posted in the F Wil thread where he is asked about the investigation, this man lives in a mobile home park in Lathrop, not the large house with the boat that has been speculated about in precious posts.

Believe me, I know where he lives not not mean he's not creepy, cause he does appear that way to me. I'm new to WS but have been following this case very closely since the beginning (I'm about an hour away from Tracy). And, I know this is all speculation on everyone's part, it's just hard not to speak up when something may be false info. Not trying to be rude!

Do you know the real address for him? Please let us reasearch this info.
We do need the truth. TIA
and welcome

Nonni Brenda
04-11-2009, 05:08 PM
Not sure about boniness, but I do know that meth is HUGE in the central valley.

Huge in Ga. too. I lIVE 50 mi. North of Atla. Unbelievable here. Mexican cartel has taken over from locals. SCAREY:furious:

panthera
04-11-2009, 05:09 PM
Is M H taking the fall for someone else like her grandpa, the Pastor???? This just doesnt make sense to me...
I really don't think so. If LE believes she killed Sandra, I will agree. But I do wonder WHY. That might be part of a much bigger plan. MOO

momtective
04-11-2009, 05:10 PM
I say by the middle of the week we will have answers to most all of our questions with sources to back up our speculation...:blowkiss:

Just give it a little time and it will rise like yeast...

SuziQ
04-11-2009, 05:20 PM
K! So it was Sandra! And nothing was done by LE about this incident & her family still let her go to that house? Just more things that make NO sense to me! :waitasec:

Do we know that Sandra was allowed to go to Melissa's house after the drugging incident? As far as we know there have been no play dates since then and Melissa is flat out lying about hanging out with her daughter coloring that day. In fact she changed her story later that she sent Sandra away and that was the extent of it. So I'm thinking Sandra was lured to that house one time and never left on her own.

msfittz
04-11-2009, 05:20 PM
Yes. It was Sandra Cantu.

I know we received this information, but do we have confirmation?

sassy_texasbelle2
04-11-2009, 05:25 PM
I still don't buy it. I could be wrong, but she and I have disagreed before on another case (only lately tho...we used to nevah disagree. :( I guess I have gone rogue.)

You? Rogue? :floorlaugh:

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 05:26 PM
Do you know the real address for him? Please let us reasearch this info.
We do need the truth. TIA
and welcome

Here is the link to the video to which I was referring:
http://ow.ly/2zPB

The title is Oakland Man Points Finger....

It says they found him at his home in Lathrop., before the 55 second mark. The house number in the clip is 867.

SuziQ
04-11-2009, 05:27 PM
So it appears Melissa also lied about being a Sunday School teacher at her grandfather's church, and the other church has had no services since 2007. Then there would be no need for her to have a suitcase full of stuff for Sunday School classes. Another lie.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 05:29 PM
How can we find a job on MH?
Did she work or live off grand parents?
Who paid for her last crimes/lawyers?
Money trail?
How did Lane & Connie live? Just on SS?
Church has 15 members, who pays upkeep?
Fred work for FREE?
How did they all get money?
Money trail can tell us allot!
of course churches are tax free..............

scandi
04-11-2009, 05:30 PM
I think the 7 year old was another case ,another ? Is that not so? The Det.wasn't giving out any autopsy results soo.. don't think it was this case.

I read somewhere this morning the 7 year old child was living in the MHP. Evidently several hours after the child went home, Melissa got a knock on her door about 2am, with officers telling her this child she had taken to the park had drugs in her system.

i.b.nora
04-11-2009, 05:31 PM
Melissa Huckaby is the daughter of Brian Lawless, who is also affilliated with a Baptist Church; NOT his dad’s.

She is NOT a Sunday School teacher at the Clover Baptist Church which her grandfather Lane Lawless is a pastor.

Huckaby is a volunteer Sunday School teacher and Church Choir member at the First Missionary Baptist Church in Bellflower, CA. Located at 9246 Rosser St, FMBC shows both Huckaby’s Father and Uncle, Brett Lawless, are assistant pastors or Bible Class educators in a church completely unaffilliated with their Fathers. Odd.

15 members and has not had actual services since 2007.

Cantu/ suitcase/ letter written by Huckaby prior to a suicide attempt !

Pulled this off an article I found from another site
Please supply a link for the source of this. Thank you.

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 05:31 PM
Not sure about boniness, but I do know that meth is HUGE in the central valley.

Yes, I can't comment on how many times it's on the news here in the valley.:doh:

SuziQ
04-11-2009, 05:32 PM
I'm thinking that the drugging incident was reported and investigated, but unfortunately DCF is not known for being quick or good in their investigations. LE may simply have not had enough evidence that MH gave Sandra the Benzos. Sandra's parent's may not have allowed play dates at Melissa's house after that incident. And Sandra's family may have pointed the finger at Melissa at the beginning. After all, something led LE to search the church, the shed and pastors house after the suitcase was found. I also think LE had heard about the suitcase and drugging from park residents before the body was found and the put two and two together. I think Melissa was LE's suspect from the first day.

In last night's presser, Sheneman flat out said that Melissa lied to the media. Sorry, don't have a link.

SuziQ
04-11-2009, 05:36 PM
Also, there was a reason LE was posted outside Melissa's hospital room. IMO, LE knew alot about Melissa from the beginning but wanted a confession. A confession seals the deal.

panthera
04-11-2009, 05:38 PM
How can we find a job on MH?
Did she work or live off grand parents?
Who paid for her last crimes/lawyers?
Money trail?
How did Lane & Connie live? Just on SS?
Church has 15 members, who pays upkeep?
Fred work for FREE?
How did they all get money?
Money trail can tell us allot!
of course churches are tax free..............
All non-profits still need to make an accounting to the IRS to retain their exempt status. It seems though there is a lot suspicious about a church being able to stay in existance with only 15 members, so I also ask, where did money come from? :waitasec:

panthera
04-11-2009, 05:39 PM
I'm thinking that the drugging incident was reported and investigated, but unfortunately DCF is not known for being quick or good in their investigations. LE may simply have not had enough evidence that MH gave Sandra the Benzos. Sandra's parent's may not have allowed play dates at Melissa's house after that incident. And Sandra's family may have pointed the finger at Melissa at the beginning. After all, something led LE to search the church, the shed and pastors house after the suitcase was found. I also think LE had heard about the suitcase and drugging from park residents before the body was found and the put two and two together. I think Melissa was LE's suspect from the first day.

In last night's presser, Sheneman flat out said that Melissa lied to the media. Sorry, don't have a link.
This would definitely explain a motive if Sandra's family were suspicious of MH. MOO

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 05:40 PM
Here is the link to the video to which I was referring:
http://ow.ly/2zPB

The title is Oakland Man Points Finger....

It says they found him at his home in Lathrop., before the 55 second mark. The house number in the clip is 867.

I did find this address:

<redacted>

Google earth shows it's a MHP.

scandi
04-11-2009, 05:40 PM
You? Rogue? :floorlaugh:




http://www.todojuegos.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/gathering.gif

gliving
04-11-2009, 05:42 PM
How can we find a job on MH?
Did she work or live off grand parents?
Who paid for her last crimes/lawyers?
Money trail?
How did Lane & Connie live? Just on SS?
Church has 15 members, who pays upkeep?
Fred work for FREE?
How did they all get money?
Money trail can tell us allot!
of course churches are tax free..............

"Huckaby worked as a checker at a Food for Less grocery store in a strip mall just east of the mobile park for nearly four years, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.

"I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now," said Duncan, who has worked at the store off-and-on for about 10 years. "I would've never suspected her to do something like this."

More tidbits here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/11/state/n031600D34.DT

Also I was glad to read this at the same link:

"Susan Levy of nearby Modesto, mother of slain Washington intern Chandra Levy, appeared arm-in-arm with Angie and Joe Chavez as they spoke with reporters.

Levy said she was there to support the family as they, too, dealt with the tragic loss of a child."

SuziQ
04-11-2009, 05:43 PM
This would definitely explain a motive if Sandra's family were suspicious of MH. MOO

Kinda makes me wonder who was behind slashing the tires, etc. I also read somewhere along the line about a rash of thefts in that MHP. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Melissa was behind that as well.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 05:43 PM
Here is the link to the video to which I was referring:
http://ow.ly/2zPB

The title is Oakland Man Points Finger....

It says they found him at his home in Lathrop., before the 55 second mark. The house number in the clip is 867.

<redacted>

was what I found? the 4 family garage sale and all the pics of house, car there????

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 05:44 PM
I really don't think so. If LE believes she killed Sandra, I will agree. But I do wonder WHY. That might be part of a much bigger plan. MOOI think she had a fixation on Sandra. Could be sexual in nature, but an obsession with her.

scandi
04-11-2009, 05:46 PM
"Huckaby worked as a checker at a Food for Less grocery store in a strip mall just east of the mobile park for nearly four years, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.

"I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now," said Duncan, who has worked at the store off-and-on for about 10 years. "I would've never suspected her to do something like this."

More tidbits here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/11/state/n031600D34.DT

Also I was glad to read this at the same link:

"Susan Levy of nearby Modesto, mother of slain Washington intern Chandra Levy, appeared arm-in-arm with Angie and Joe Chavez as they spoke with reporters.

Levy said she was there to support the family as they, too, dealt with the tragic loss of a child."


Hi Gliving, Your link doesn't work ;} Thanks

scandi
04-11-2009, 05:46 PM
I think she had a fixation on Sandra. Could be sexual in nature, but an obsession with her.


So bizarre, isn't it. xox

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 05:46 PM
Kinda makes me wonder who was behind slashing the tires, etc. I also read somewhere along the line about a rash of thefts in that MHP. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Melissa was behind that as well.I thought about that, too. She mentioned the vandalism and thefts in the mhp during her media blitz yesterday. ;) We also know she was a thief by her prior arrests.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 05:47 PM
Please supply a link for the source of this. Thank you.
blink

Tonia
04-11-2009, 05:48 PM
Just heard the news,im glad and i hope Sandra gets the justice she deserves. I wanted to say thank you to all of you for the information and great sleuthing you have done on this case. You guys are awesome!

gliving
04-11-2009, 05:50 PM
Hi Gliving, Your link doesn't work ;} Thanks

Let's try a shorter link: http://tinyurl.com/dghluo

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 05:57 PM
So bizarre, isn't it. xoxIt is bizarre. Sadly bizarre. :(

Why didn't someone see this for woman for what she was before this happened? Why didn't someone protect Sandra from her?

I am starting to get really angry about the circumstances surrounding Sandra's freeroaming lifestyle which fed into this horrific crime. Not calling LE for 4 hours upsets me very much and I don't understand it. I will never understand it.

nursebeeme
04-11-2009, 05:58 PM
she denied where she went to school!
She flatly denied she had a criminal record, despite court papers showing she was due in court for sentencing after pleading no contest to a felony burglary/robbery and a misdemeanor petty theft. She also denied having graduated from West High School in 1998, despite school district records that say she did.

hmmm so what is her school history???


Huckaby’s grandparents run a church down the street from the park, where Huckaby said she had taught Sunday school for six months
she says she has worked at the church for 6 months



She blatantly lied to the few reporters she talked to Friday, he said earlier. That’s what led to the extra scrutiny.




http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article--Disbelief-%20=&page_label=home&id=2303626--Disbelief-&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Kat
04-11-2009, 05:59 PM
I had a thought today as I was out with my children. The FBI says that this is statistically a sort of aberration from the norm.

Bear with me while I share this idea with you, the FBI and other LE compile their statistics from cases where the suspect is apprehended for those numbers.

Could it be that this is not as uncommon as originally thought and could it be that many cold cases that have baffled LE for years and years could have been solved if they had taken into consideration that a woman could have been involved?

I see a lot of our cultural bias towards females starting to unravel in the last decade or so, women are being arrested for more violent crimes. (think gang affliation, for that one).

I am left to wonder if women haven't been all along committing crimes of this nature and other violent crimes but because of our bias they are not looked at as suspects.

Just some thoughts I had today, only an opinion I am still forming.

nursebeeme
04-11-2009, 05:59 PM
Today I had a thought... what if she had been doing somthing "bad" to Sandra and thought she was about to tell?

scandi
04-11-2009, 06:06 PM
It is bizarre. Sadly bizarre. :(

Why didn't someone see this for woman for what she was before this happened? Why didn't someone protect Sandra from her?

I am starting to get really angry about the circumstances surrounding Sandra's freeroaming lifestyle which fed into this horrific crime. Not calling LE for 4 hours upsets me very much and I don't understand it. I will never understand it.


ITA with you SS, and thanks for that post.

It escaped me understanding it before I even knew there was a history of the probable abuse of Sandra by Melissa last year.

I haven't posted that yet although it has always been a workin' in my mind. The family are victims and we at WS are always so careful about respecting them. But it might be time now to recognize the fact that Dear Grandpa might have been the main caregiver in Sandra's life.

I think the family is moving out of the MHP relatively soon. As sad as this situation is for them, I hope they have learned some tools so their other children will be safe wherever they go. xox

Kat
04-11-2009, 06:08 PM
Another thought, while we wait for the autopsy results that will tell us how Sandra was murdered and if she was sexually assaulted or not.

As to motive, she could have been obsessed with Sandra, or could she have been obsessed with someone else in that family? Just to bounce an idea~ when you hate somone or you want to punish them you take something that is theirs and destroy it. Many men do this to their significant others by slaying their children together.

Just a thought...I have no clue as to the relationship between Sandra's family and this family.

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 06:11 PM
2358 Ogden
Tracy CA

was what I found? the 4 family garage sale and all the pics of house, car there????

I have no idea. I'm just saying that the story, where they say they are interviewing him at his home in Lathrop, includes video of him in a mobile home park. He tells them he has been bothered all day and can't sleep, and goes back into mh # 867.

scandi
04-11-2009, 06:14 PM
I had a thought today as I was out with my children. The FBI says that this is statistically a sort of aberration from the norm.

Bear with me while I share this idea with you, the FBI and other LE compile their statistics from cases where the suspect is apprehended for those numbers.

Could it be that this is not as uncommon as originally thought and could it be that many cold cases that have baffled LE for years and years could have been solved if they had taken into consideration that a woman could have been involved?

I see a lot of our cultural bias towards females starting to unravel in the last decade or so, women are being arrested for more violent crimes. (think gang affliation, for that one).

I am left to wonder if women haven't been all along committing crimes of this nature and other violent crimes but because of our bias they are not looked at as suspects.

Just some thoughts I had today, only an opinion I am still forming.


Hi Kat, A very interesting thought, for sure, and one I have heard little discussion about.

It would be interesting to get the thoughts of Clint Van Zant, Candice DeLong or Pat Brown on the topic. I wish they belonged here but don't think they do, although they might lurk.

It makes allot of sense to me, especially when considering how women have hormonal changes that often affect their mental health. I think in general men are not as susceptible to mood swings, or however one would describe it. xox

i.b.nora
04-11-2009, 06:15 PM
Respectfully, I don't know if anyone has seen the clip I posted in the F Wil thread where he is asked about the investigation, this man lives in a mobile home park in Lathrop, not the large house with the boat that has been speculated about in precious posts.
You are dead on accurate! Thanks!

scandi
04-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Another thought, while we wait for the autopsy results that will tell us how Sandra was murdered and if she was sexually assaulted or not.

As to motive, she could have been obsessed with Sandra, or could she have been obsessed with someone else in that family? Just to bounce an idea~ when you hate somone or you want to punish them you take something that is theirs and destroy it. Many men do this to their significant others by slaying their children together.

Just a thought...I have no clue as to the relationship between Sandra's family and this family.

Today I had a thought... what if she had been doing somthing "bad" to Sandra and thought she was about to tell?

Hi Nurse, I've been thinking about that too.

If this happened to Sandra last year where she was drugged, she has a history with Melissa that might have had her on guard. What if Melissa was about to give Sandra the pills and Sandra wanted nothing to do with it and started fighting back and then was forced to swallow the pills?

We have a window from about 4:30 till 8pm. I think that is a short window but don't think she was killed at Melissa's house. Instead I think she was driven out to the church right away. It was where Sandra was expecting to go I think, as she had mentioned a bible class to her Grandpa.

We first heard from the Sgt that the shed was an active crime scene. I think she was killed in that little bldg. At least where she was stuffed into the bag. If SSandra had been drugged it would make sense she got nauseated and threw up. That could have been a red flag to investigators.

arielilane
04-11-2009, 06:34 PM
It definitely will be interesting to see what she googles, Web sites visited, and has saved in her favorites, etc. I'm sure if she owns a computer LE has confiscated it.

goofeegyrl
04-11-2009, 06:49 PM
http://www.whptv.com/news/national/story/Suspect-in-girls-death-on-suicide-watch/GAQTm3dBnUutm6PlXNl_Cg.cspx

Suspect in girl's death on suicide watch

Last Update: 6:19 pm

TRACY, Calif. (AP) - Police say a woman suspected in the death of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu is on suicide watch at a California jail.

Sunday school teacher Melissa Huckaby was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and killing the Tracy child, whose body was found in a suitcase dumped in an irrigation pond.

Police say she is refusing to see visitors. Huckaby was arrested yesterday about five hours after she drove to a police station to talk to authorities. Police say she went from back and forth from being "calm, cool and collected" to "very emotional." Authorities say they don't know what the motive is in the girl's death. Officials say Sandra was friends with Huckaby's daughter.

Police still aren't saying whether they believe the killing was accidental or deliberate.

scandi
04-11-2009, 06:51 PM
It definitely will be interesting to see what she googles, Web sites visited, and has saved in her favorites, etc. I'm sure if she owns a computer LE has confiscated it.

ITA At this point I think Pat Brown was wrong about this being a serial killer. But I do think it well could be Melissa was on her way to being a serial sexual perpitrator. I am so thankful she is :behindbar

ETA: Corrected name ;}

arielilane
04-11-2009, 07:10 PM
We will also broadcast a special report on the developments in this case Saturday evening between 7:00 and 8:00. KRON 4's Kimberlee Sakamoto will live blog during that same time right here on KRON4.com
http://www.kron.com/

panthera
04-11-2009, 07:44 PM
Hi Nurse, I've been thinking about that too.

If this happened to Sandra last year where she was drugged, she has a history with Melissa that might have had her on guard. What if Melissa was about to give Sandra the pills and Sandra wanted nothing to do with it and started fighting back and then was forced to swallow the pills?

We have a window from about 4:30 till 8pm. I think that is a short window but don't think she was killed at Melissa's house. Instead I think she was driven out to the church right away. It was where Sandra was expecting to go I think, as she had mentioned a bible class to her Grandpa.

We first heard from the Sgt that the shed was an active crime scene. I think she was killed in that little bldg. At least where she was stuffed into the bag. If SSandra had been drugged it would make sense she got nauseated and threw up. That could have been a red flag to investigators.
If MH had a history of forcing drugs into Sandra, why on earth would Sandra willingly get anywhere near MH and especially be playing with her daughter? From what I've read so far, Sandra's family seem to be shocked it was MH who allegedly killed Sandra, and the Sgt. said earlier that Sandra and MH daughter would play together all the time. :confused:

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 08:33 PM
Wow just wow! I just caught up now. That's what I get for sleeping all day yesterday. This is crazy weird, but maybe sweet Sandra wasn't sexually assaulted and that can be some kind of silver lining.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 08:48 PM
Sgt. Shenehan (spellling?) needs to go down to Florida next and find Haleigh and throw some scumbag in jail there!!!

melley
04-11-2009, 08:50 PM
He also does not LOOK like he lives that lifestyle so are we sure this info is correct?

This is the SF Bay Area... houses pretty much START at $500k. In Tacy they had a ton of development, new, big homes during the "housing boom". Its really not what I would call extravagant, in my opinion.

txsvicki
04-11-2009, 08:56 PM
If this doesn't turn out to be a child sexual assault motive, I wonder if Melissa could be so evil and deranged that she got tired of her daughter's little friends coming over knocking on the door to play and maybe thought they were a bad influence. Of course they weren't, but to a deranged psycho, she could be thinking almost anything.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 09:10 PM
http://www.fox40.com/pages/fox40live_blog
live blog answering our questions about Cantu case

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 09:18 PM
I was thinking what if MH's daughter wasn't picking up toys but was indisposed another way. Maybe MH got angry when Sandra came back a second time because she was hiding something and thought Sandra was being to nosy?

Tricia
04-11-2009, 09:22 PM
Do you know the real address for him? Please let us reasearch this info.
We do need the truth. TIA
and welcome

OK, please let's remember many people are pulled into these national stories are totally innocent.

We don't need to be posting non-public people's information. That is not our purpose.

What you do off the site is your business of course.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 09:25 PM
Okay help me out with this. I am having trouble taking in the fact that a woman a mother no less did this. It seems very surreal. Would it have been easier for all of us if it had been a male and it was a sexually motivated crime because to me that is worse but easier to understand. Does this make sense?

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 09:35 PM
Sgt. Tony Sheneman, speaking with reporters this morning, confirmed a crime scene was found where the murder of Sandra Cantu is suspected; however, Sheneman could not tell the media where that crime scene is

Wasn't sure if that had been posted yet. I'm wondering, blood, hair, what kind of scene and I really want to know if it's at the church or her home. I'm thinking the shed but who knows...

scandi
04-11-2009, 09:44 PM
If MH had a history of forcing drugs into Sandra, why on earth would Sandra willingly get anywhere near MH and especially be playing with her daughter? From what I've read so far, Sandra's family seem to be shocked it was MH who allegedly killed Sandra, and the Sgt. said earlier that Sandra and MH daughter would play together all the time. :confused:]


Hi Panthera, Using the word history might have been too much as it was only once that we have heard about.

If MH had been abusing Sandra in any way I would classify her as a predator. Perps like this can be very cagy to lure their victims - like offering to take her to a movie and bible study for instance. Plus Sandra might not remember the abuse if it happened due to being drugged. And I don't think Sandra had very good supervision at home. Except her grandpa giving her direction.

scandi
04-11-2009, 09:47 PM
Sgt. Tony Sheneman, speaking with reporters this morning, confirmed a crime scene was found where the murder of Sandra Cantu is suspected; however, Sheneman could not tell the media where that crime scene is

Wasn't sure if that had been posted yet. I'm wondering, blood, hair, what kind of scene and I really want to know if it's at the church or her home. I'm thinking the shed but who knows...


That is what I read today Ilovemew, the shed. And the journo used the words 'her slayer'. Why he/she chose that word is a big ? :confused:

arielilane
04-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Okay help me out with this. I am having trouble taking in the fact that a woman a mother no less did this. It seems very surreal. Would it have been easier for all of us if it had been a male and it was a sexually motivated crime because to me that is worse but easier to understand. Does this make sense? man or woman they can be called, but I'd think they are closer to being a monster. women are just as capable...sad.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 09:54 PM
That is what I read today Ilovemew, the shed. And the journo used the words 'her slayer'. Why he/she chose that word is a big ? :confused:I have seen many journalists use slain/slayer which is just another way to say murdered/murderer or killed/killer. It isn't meant to add anything to the story except a bit of sensationalism. It doesn't neccessarily mean what you could be thinking it means.

Hope that eases your mind a little perhaps. :blowkiss:

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 09:55 PM
Okay help me out with this. I am having trouble taking in the fact that a woman a mother no less did this. It seems very surreal. Would it have been easier for all of us if it had been a male and it was a sexually motivated crime because to me that is worse but easier to understand. Does this make sense?

I was surprised to hear in this particular case, since the suspect is not kin to the victim, that the perpetrator, turned out to be be female.

However, I am not shocked that a "mother" could do this type of reprehensible vile and disgusting crime. I have been researching crime for almost 30 years, and long ago I put to rest the myth, that women, especially mothers are all good and men are all bad. Some women can be just as deadly and diabolical as any male and just as capable. Evil is not gender specific.

We see the dead bodies they have left behind, whether they be unsuspecting adult males, women or infants and children. We also see them in the news more often it seems and their acts are depraved and heinous. Some even holding their own children down to be repeatedly raped by a slimy pedophile. Some standing by watching the child they gave life to beaten to death and even beating them to death too. So I am extremely aware of what some females are capable of doing. They can be cold, cunning, calculating and evil.

I don't want to understand why she did what she did. There is no excuse under the sun that will ever make it right or understandable imo. All murderers have their stupid reasons. She became a predator against a little happy girl that only weighed 45 pounds and for that, I hope they seek the death penalty against her.

She deserves no less than what she gave to a beautiful child named, Sandra Cantu.

imo

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 09:58 PM
[Comment From Jimmy]
Just a comment from something I was told by a family member which I haven't heard reported yet. Huckaby texted Sandras Mom after Sandra disappeared to tell her about the missing luggage, the text message was turned over to Tracy PD

~RUMOR~

Shelby77
04-11-2009, 09:59 PM
Okay help me out with this. I am having trouble taking in the fact that a woman a mother no less did this. It seems very surreal. Would it have been easier for all of us if it had been a male and it was a sexually motivated crime because to me that is worse but easier to understand. Does this make sense?

Just caught up myself mew, and I still can't wrap my mind around how/why a 28 y/o Sunday school teacher, mother to a 5 y/o girl herself, is now sitting in jail for the kidnap and murder of Sandra. I never once considered a female perp, so I don't even know where to begin with this one as far as understanding it...
Although I have not, unfortunately, ruled out it still being a sexually motivated crime, which makes it even more mind boggling to me.

Does anybody know of a case where a female was the sole perpetrator in a case of a young childs kidnapping and subsequent murder, that was sexually motivated? Just wondering if it's ever even happened before :confused:


RIP Sandra :frown:

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 10:01 PM
Geraldo covering this now.

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:04 PM
Okay help me out with this. I am having trouble taking in the fact that a woman a mother no less did this. It seems very surreal. Would it have been easier for all of us if it had been a male and it was a sexually motivated crime because to me that is worse but easier to understand. Does this make sense?

We do not know the motive yet. It may very well have been sexual molestation.

Women, straight and lesbian, have been known to molest and kill children before.

Granted, it is uncommon.

Sandra spent an unusual amount of time in Huckaby's house. Huckaby did not allow anyone else in to play with her child, nor did she let her child play outside. All very weird, but common in a family that has weird secrets in the home. This alone should have made Sandra's parents supicious. But they seem like such open and trusting folks--the Cantus--they would probably not in their wildest dreams suspect the minister's family of wrongdoing.

Nana46
04-11-2009, 10:07 PM
GR has this on Fox right now

i.b.nora
04-11-2009, 10:07 PM
Streaming NOW!!!
http://www.kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:07 PM
Why do Huckaby's voice and manner remind me of that pathological liar Casey Anthony?

arielilane
04-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Just caught up myself mew, and I still can't wrap my mind around how/why a 28 y/o Sunday school teacher, mother to a 5 y/o girl herself, is now sitting in jail for the kidnap and murder of Sandra. I never once considered a female perp, so I don't even know where to begin with this one as far as understanding it...
Although I have not, unfortunately, ruled out it still being a sexually motivated crime, which makes it even more mind boggling to me.

Does anybody know of a case where a female was the sole perpetrator in a case of a young childs kidnapping and subsequent murder, that was sexually motivated? Just wondering if it's ever even happened before :confused:


RIP Sandra :frown:She was tortured to death by Gertrude Baniszewski.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:12 PM
Cops: MH has had mental health issues for some time. Speculating on motive: she might have snapped.

i.b.nora
04-11-2009, 10:13 PM
Sandra spent an unusual amount of time in Huckaby's house.

Huckaby did not allow anyone else in to play with her child, nor did she let her child play outside.
Would you mind sharing your source for these statements? I have been following this case fairly closely and have never heard these statements.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 10:14 PM
Family of Sandra Cantu will be on Geraldo later in the hour. Also less than 5% of child kidnapping/murders are committed by a woman.

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:15 PM
She was tortured to death by Gertrude Baniszewski.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens

But Baniszewski did not act alone. Her children and their friends helped in the torture and starvation of Sylvia.

Kat
04-11-2009, 10:15 PM
[Comment From Jimmy]
Just a comment from something I was told by a family member which I haven't heard reported yet. Huckaby texted Sandras Mom after Sandra disappeared to tell her about the missing luggage, the text message was turned over to Tracy PD

~RUMOR~

If this rumor proves to be accurate, it is a cruel and indescribable torture that only MH knew to be torture at the time.

This one particular rumor, is one that I find to be absolutely stomach churning cruel. Imagine~ she has murdered Sandra, she stuffed her in a suitcase, took her out to a retention pond and dumped her~ then she texted Sandra's mother offering a tip? Letting her know that she too was a victim of crime that evening? Good Lord~ if this is true, this woman is diabolical.

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:16 PM
Family of Sandra Cantu will be on Geraldo later in the hour. Also less than 5% of child kidnapping/murders are committed by a woman.

Detective says she was killed between 4 and 8 p.m. on the day she disappeared.

bluestarzz
04-11-2009, 10:17 PM
the case developments have deff. take a different course than what i expected. i am for a loss on words except for how can a mother do this to a playmate of her own child????? is her child evil and did something that she is covering for? i just don't know. either the parent is evil or the child did something that the mother is trying to cover for. i can't see sexual abuse unless the mother's child is interviewed and something come out of that.
bluestarzzz

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Commisioner says there has to be a confession because they know when she was killed.

Nana46
04-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Did I miss that she was not home for four hours before her Mom missed her???? 8 o'clock???

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 10:20 PM
Cops: MH has had mental health issues for some time. Speculating on motive: she might have snapped.

The cops are speculating?

She tried to claim mental illness on one of her prior offenses and was evaluated and they determined that she was fit to stand trial.

So she may have issues but imo they will not rise to the level she needs according to criminal judicial standards.

Sociopaths and even schizophrenics are sent to prison all the time.

imo

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 10:22 PM
What if Sandra saw something happening at the Huckaby's house as she was skipping home and she went over to investigate/help. Maybe it involved her friend MH's daughter. I know all speculation here but the way she turns in the video and we now know that is shortly before she was killed is eerie.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 10:24 PM
The cops are speculating?

She tried to claim mental illness on one of her prior offenses and was evaluated and they determined that she was fit to stand trial.

So she may have issues but imo they will not rise to the level she needs according to criminal judicial standards.

Sociopaths and even schizophrenics are sent to prison all the time.

imo

ITA The fact that she was trying to create a story about the suitcase missing in case it was found shows that she knew what she did was wrong, therefore not legally insane.

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 10:25 PM
The Sgt. also said they know where she was murdered.

I think they found the original crime scene and it was at the church.

imo

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:27 PM
Geraldo asked the female cop if MH might have snapped and it might have been accidental...cop said it's possible.

You'll have to read the transcript.

Geraldo asked if there's a confession--they said they couldn't discuss it--but did say the child died sometime betw. 4-8 pm that day.

How else could they know this without a confession?

I was a little taken aback by how freely these cops were speaking about the case.

They should be a little more discreet. I suppose they have reason to believe MH will plead guilty and there will not be a trial.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 10:28 PM
Did I miss that she was not home for four hours before her Mom missed her???? 8 o'clock???She was not home for four hours before reported missing to LE. I don't mind saying now I have been really stewing about this part especially since she was dead before she was ever reported missing. :mad:

Nana46
04-11-2009, 10:31 PM
OMG how sad


(Thank you SS)

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 10:32 PM
Did I miss that she was not home for four hours before her Mom missed her???? 8 o'clock???

I would think they looked high and low for her before calling police. They had no way of knowing that a monster had Sandra and had killed her most likely right after she was kidnapped around 4 pm. The maintenance worker for the MHP that had lived there for 15 years said that park was like a family and kids ran around playing all the time.

I think she talked Sandra into riding with her to the church and she trusted her and went with her.

imo

Kat
04-11-2009, 10:34 PM
I don't think BB12 is online right now Tomsgirl. BB12 also has blog she writes and posts to her myspace which I also read from time to time. I haven't followed her work yet on Sandra, I've been reading here exclusively. I followed her work on Caylee and she works very hard and has a lot of good sources. Her blog can be found by her user name here (same on myspace) and it's an excellent read~ always.

tiredofthis
04-11-2009, 10:35 PM
She was not home for four hours before reported missing to LE. I don't mind saying now I have been really stewing about this part especially since she was dead before she was ever reported missing. :mad:

My two sons were gone for about that long this afternoon playing with friends in our subdivision. I knew where they were or at least thought I did, but when I went to check on them they weren't where they were suppose to be. I found them playing basketball at another friends house. I am so thankful something didn't happen to them.

Sandra's mom probably thought she knew where her daughter was and unfortunately something horrible happened.

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:36 PM
I would think they looked high and low for her before calling police. They had no way of knowing that a monster had Sandra and had killed her most likely right after she was kidnapped around 4 pm. The maintenance worker for the MHP that had lived there for 15 years said that park was like a family and kids ran around playing all the time.

I think she talked Sandra into riding with her to the church and she trusted her and went with her.

imo

It looks like MH had this all planned out.

passionflower
04-11-2009, 10:37 PM
I would think they looked high and low for her before calling police. They had no way of knowing that a monster had Sandra and had killed her most likely right after she was kidnapped around 4 pm. The maintenance worker for the MHP that had lived there for 15 years said that park was like a family and kids ran around playing all the time.

I think she talked Sandra into riding with her to the church and she trusted her and went with her.

imo

I wonder since the church is so close, did Sandra hear everyone calling her name while trapped by MH???

How long was MH away from home? Sandra's sister was babysitting MH daughter. Connie was suppose to be home also, was she really?

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 10:40 PM
It looks like MH had this all planned out.

Chilling isn't it?

imo

Shelby77
04-11-2009, 10:42 PM
She was tortured to death by Gertrude Baniszewski.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens


Thank you for the link, it's , pretty horrifying to know that people like this exist, although I know they do...

But still, that was a more of a group mentality thing, rather than a sole perp, and Sylvia's father gave her and her sister to this family to care for, so Gertrude didn't kidnap her to sexually molest/murder her, she just seemed to enjoy torturing her in general..shudders

I don't doubt that evil, hateful women who are capable of killing children exist, I know they do, unfortuntately

I am just curious if ever before a woman has kidnapped a non-related pre-teenaged child with the intent to molest and murder, and did it completely alone and for her own benefit.

I don't even doubt that has happened, I'm guess I'm just trying to decide for myself what the chances are this was sexually motivated, if indeed she acted alone..

Sharedspirit
04-11-2009, 10:44 PM
My two sons were gone for about that long this afternoon playing with friends in our subdivision. I knew where they were or at least thought I did, but when I went to check on them they weren't where they were suppose to be. I found them playing basketball at another friends house. I am so thankful something didn't happen to them.

Sandra's mom probably thought she knew where her daughter was and unfortunately something horrible happened.

Ditto here. My girls 9 and 11, go to my neighbors house to play for hours. I trust they are with her. When her granddaughter is over here, she trusts they are with us. I live in the country, I can't imagine keeping track of them if I lived in the city like I did when my older kids were little.

Pinkhammer
04-11-2009, 10:45 PM
I wonder since the church is so close, did Sandra hear everyone calling her name while trapped by MH???

How long was MH away from home? Sandra's sister was babysitting MH daughter. Connie was suppose to be home also, was she really?

I just read this elsewhere on Websleuths:

"Now the FBI are on roof looking for transmitter of
webcam for possible live porn"

Is this why MH took Sandra to the church? At a time when no one else was there? And left her daughter, supposedly Sandra's playmate, at home?

This is going to get very ugly. I get bad vibes from the minister, MH's grandpa. He had the look of a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar on that videotape referenced below.

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 10:48 PM
I wonder since the church is so close, did Sandra hear everyone calling her name while trapped by MH???

How long was MH away from home? Sandra's sister was babysitting MH daughter. Connie was suppose to be home also, was she really?


I never really knew for certain if Sandra's sister stayed. I know MH said she asked her to babysit. Can you imagine asking the sister to stay there knowing she was going to go to that church to murder Sandra? It is just unbelievable how all this is playing out. It reeks of such twisted evil to me. How in the world could anyone be that cold?

I don't know if she heard anyone. I wish that this had never happened to this precious child but I hope Sandra went quickly and passed on to a much better place. My mind just cant take thinking she suffered for a long time.

I know she had to be so fearful and not understanding what and why this was happening to her. God bless her.

imo

Kat
04-11-2009, 10:58 PM
I never really knew for certain if Sandra's sister stayed. I know MH said she asked her to babysit. Can you imagine asking the sister to stay there knowing she was going to go to that church to murder Sandra? It is just unbelievable how all this is playing out. It reeks of such twisted evil to me. How in the world could anyone be that cold?




I snipped your post for space oceanblueeyes, I hope you don't mind.

This falls in line with what I speculated upwards in this thread about the rumor that MH texted Sandra's Mother about stolen luggage.

Then we have the rumor that the note was found not at MH's home but Sandra's home (it was posted way back on some thread, since MH arrest)

Then you brought up that Sandra's sister was asked to babysit. ( I don't want to use the sister's name because it is a personal preference of mine not to name minors) She asked Sandra's older sister to watch her own child, when now we know that she was intending to murder Sandra.

As of this moment (my opinion could change) this sounds very much like she has an obsession with either Sandra or Sandra's Mother.

What was it about Sandra's Mother that she so detested that she would ask her older child to babysit while she murdered the younger child? Then if rumor proves to be correct, text that same Mother?

Now the level of evil that it takes to do those things (if proven factual) scares me. I'm rarely scared. But that really scares me.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 11:03 PM
This case has drained me. I'm afraid to wade back into the Haleigh case now. It just all seems so d*** senseless!!!

KR2tonenow
04-11-2009, 11:06 PM
Wow, in the phone interview with reporters MH sounds very truthful. Scary...I sure hope she isn't covering for her Grandpa! People want to know motive, hopefully in the next few days...

Kat
04-11-2009, 11:06 PM
This case has drained me. I'm afraid to wade back into the Haleigh case now. It just all seems so d*** senseless!!!

((Ilovemew))) I understand. There are days that I must step away from the threads.

I think of it this way, I am bearing witness for these children. I am watching. By watching, it shows that I care about these lost children. Think of it that way, and take a break when you must. They need us.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 11:11 PM
((Ilovemew))) I understand. There are days that I must step away from the threads.

I think of it this way, I am bearing witness for these children. I am watching. By watching, it shows that I care about these lost children. Think of it that way, and take a break when you must. They need us.

You know I was trying to word that exact thing to my family to explain why I do this and why I watch those memorial videos on youtube. I couldn't quite word it but you nailed it! thanx... it's nice to know I'm not weird for what I do in my spare time.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2009, 11:15 PM
I don't believe it was a rumor about Melissa stating she found the note in front of Sandra's house. I think there was a link to the article where it came from Melissa to the reporter at the Tracy Pess. ;)

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 11:22 PM
I snipped your post for space oceanblueeyes, I hope you don't mind.

This falls in line with what I speculated upwards in this thread about the rumor that MH texted Sandra's Mother about stolen luggage.

Then we have the rumor that the note was found not at MH's home but Sandra's home (it was posted way back on some thread, since MH arrest)

Then you brought up that Sandra's sister was asked to babysit. ( I don't want to use the sister's name because it is a personal preference of mine not to name minors) She asked Sandra's older sister to watch her own child, when now we know that she was intending to murder Sandra.

As of this moment (my opinion could change) this sounds very much like she has an obsession with either Sandra or Sandra's Mother.

What was it about Sandra's Mother that she so detested that she would ask her older child to babysit while she murdered the younger child? Then if rumor proves to be correct, text that same Mother?

Now the level of evil that it takes to do those things (if proven factual) scares me. I'm rarely scared. But that really scares me.

I think we are all fearful when we think we are peering into the depths of hell and I am so afraid that is what has happened here.

Just when I think I cannot be anymore horrified by the coldness or depravity of a defendant, I am once again facing one that unnerves me even more. I struggle with this case because of its diabolical nature done against a small vulnerable child. I cannot fathom the layers of evil this defendant must have to be able to do this.

It seems she not only did this but she planned it and everything she did she had a purposeful intent to inflict as much damage as possible. She has certainly done what she set out to accomplish and so many lives now lay like shattered shards of glass that can never be put back together again.

I think she will be one for the record books and I think this is why the FBI profilers are very interested in doing an analysis on her. They want to learn the signs to look for as this may be a new type of murderer we have not seen.

imo

MoonFlwr
04-11-2009, 11:22 PM
Wow, in the phone interview with reporters MH sounds very truthful. Scary...I sure hope she isn't covering for her Grandpa! People want to know motive, hopefully in the next few days...

Hi, do you have a link to the audio of the phone interview. I can only seem to find the story about it.

TIA! :)

arielilane
04-11-2009, 11:23 PM
But Baniszewski did not act alone. Her children and their friends helped in the torture and starvation of Sylvia. my bad..

Thank you for the link, it's , pretty horrifying to know that people like this exist, although I know they do...

But still, that was a more of a group mentality thing, rather than a sole perp, and Sylvia's father gave her and her sister to this family to care for, so Gertrude didn't kidnap her to sexually molest/murder her, she just seemed to enjoy torturing her in general..shudders

I don't doubt that evil, hateful women who are capable of killing children exist, I know they do, unfortuntately

I am just curious if ever before a woman has kidnapped a non-related pre-teenaged child with the intent to molest and murder, and did it completely alone and for her own benefit.

I don't even doubt that has happened, I'm guess I'm just trying to decide for myself what the chances are this was sexually motivated, if indeed she acted alone..
again, my bad

oceanblueeyes
04-11-2009, 11:29 PM
Wow, in the phone interview with reporters MH sounds very truthful. Scary...I sure hope she isn't covering for her Grandpa! People want to know motive, hopefully in the next few days...

I think she is a pathological liar.

But they forget exactly how they told their lie but it doesn't matter to them, they think everyone is going to believe it anyway, every time they tell one.

MH did her own self in. When she talked she made up inconsistent stories and that is what pathological liars do.

Even LE said it was her talks with the media that made them really hone in and concentrate on her even though they had been watching her from the very start.

imo

txsvicki
04-11-2009, 11:41 PM
It's really scary to me that Melissa claims to have been talking to the older children about her suitcase when she knew it wasn't really missing. Why go talking to more children after alledgedly killing a child.

ilovemew
04-11-2009, 11:49 PM
It's really scary to me that Melissa claims to have been talking to the older children about her suitcase when she knew it wasn't really missing. Why go talking to more children after alledgedly killing a child.

IMO in case the suitcase was found she would have people to verify that yes she had told them about her suitcase going missing.

emmabella
04-12-2009, 12:25 AM
she denied where she went to school!
hmmm so what is her school history???


Melissa graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1999. I was in her class, we were best friends.

ilovemew
04-12-2009, 12:28 AM
Melissa graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1999. I was in her class, we were best friends.

Hi emmabella welcome to websleuths. Can you tell us what Melissa was like in high school? Also do you know if she was ever into drugs? TIA

emmabella
04-12-2009, 12:38 AM
Hi emmabella welcome to websleuths. Can you tell us what Melissa was like in high school? Also do you know if she was ever into drugs? TIA

Melissa and I were very close in high school and the year after but I haven't spoken with her for some time. In high school she never used drugs to my knowledge. We did dumb teenage stuff but never alcohol, drugs or smoking. She was volatile at times and I know she had some mental/depression issues. I'm still reeling over this to be honest. It is completely shocking.

Kat
04-12-2009, 12:38 AM
Melissa graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1999. I was in her class, we were best friends.

Welcome to Websleuths Emmabella. Please if you don't mind share with us your memories of how Melissa was in High School. We understand that 10 yrs can change people, but we appreciate any insight you can give us.

We are glad to have you here. I hope that you enjoy posting here as much as I do.

momtective
04-12-2009, 12:51 AM
Melissa graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1999. I was in her class, we were best friends.

Welcome to WS emmabella and thank you so much for choosing us and for giving us a firsthand account of Melissa. I know this must be a huge shock to those who know her and especially her family. My heart hurts for what this will do to them and their ministry's. I'm really glad you're on kinda of late otherwise I'm sure we would overwhelm you with questions. :crazy:

emmabella
04-12-2009, 01:02 AM
Thank you for the kind welcome. I know you must think anyone new showing up claiming to know a perp might be a fake. To be honest I still feel like I must be dreaming this entire thing. I just pulled out my memory box with the journal that we wrote notes back and forth in. Alot of normal teenage angst in there. I did find one note which I tore out and had folded separately in which she talks about about wanting to take her life. I'm trying to recall all of my memories from so long ago but I do remember that perhaps she was institutionalized for a short time around 2000-2001 for a suicide attempt. It feels like so long ago. I'm hoping my memory will start to wake up.

raindrops300
04-12-2009, 01:03 AM
I am in no way an expert on this, but I find it surprising that she did confess. I have noticed that people with personality disorders, pathological liars, borderline personality, etc.. usually stick to their lies and seem to think they can get away with it. Even when faced with obvious lies, they continue to blame others and continue to lie.
Maybe she has no discernable personality disorder and is just evil or maybe it is drugs. I cannot understand this at all. Her psychological evaluation will be interesting to say the least.
And as others have posted earlier, I am asking myself, why am I so surprised to find this in a female as opposed to male. Had it been a male, I would not be so shocked (if that is the right word). And I do know that women do kill; they just usually fit into some kind of category that I'm not seeing here...
At this point I'm going to have to attribute this to just pure evil.

ladybug
04-12-2009, 01:07 AM
Thank you emmabella.

ladybug
04-12-2009, 01:08 AM
I am in no way an expert on this, but I find it surprising that she did confess. I have noticed that people with personality disorders, pathological liars, borderline personality, etc.. usually stick to their lies and seem to think they can get away with it. Even when faced with obvious lies, they continue to blame others and continue to lie.
Maybe she has no discernable personality disorder and is just evil or maybe it is drugs. I cannot understand this at all. Her psychological evaluation will be interesting to say the least.
And as others have posted earlier, I am asking myself, why am I so surprised to find this in a female as opposed to male. Had it been a male, I would not be so shocked (if that is the right word). And I do know that women do kill; they just usually fit into some kind of category that I'm not seeing here...
At this point I'm going to have to attribute this to just pure evil.

The police said this morning that she did not confess. They outlined what they had and she kind of accepted it.

momtective
04-12-2009, 01:08 AM
Thank you for the kind welcome. I know you must think anyone new showing up claiming to know a perp might be a fake. To be honest I still feel like I must be dreaming this entire thing. I just pulled out my memory box with the journal that we wrote notes back and forth in. Alot of normal teenage angst in there. I did find one note which I tore out and had folded separately in which she talks about about wanting to take her life. I'm trying to recall all of my memories from so long ago but I do remember that perhaps she was institutionalized for a short time around 2000-2001 for a suicide attempt. It feels like so long ago. I'm hoping my memory will start to wake up.

I can't even begin to imagine...
So there is some indication that she had some serious issues even then. Wonder what was going on at that time that would make her want to take her life. I wonder even more than that what made her want to take Sandra's.

MoonFlwr
04-12-2009, 01:10 AM
Thank you for the kind welcome. I know you must think anyone new showing up claiming to know a perp might be a fake. To be honest I still feel like I must be dreaming this entire thing. I just pulled out my memory box with the journal that we wrote notes back and forth in. Alot of normal teenage angst in there. I did find one note which I tore out and had folded separately in which she talks about about wanting to take her life. I'm trying to recall all of my memories from so long ago but I do remember that perhaps she was institutionalized for a short time around 2000-2001 for a suicide attempt. It feels like so long ago. I'm hoping my memory will start to wake up.

:Welcome-12-june:

Thanks for joining websleuths...sorry it is under such sad/shocking circumstances! Your insights are most welcome as we try to come to terms with what has been reported!

emmabella
04-12-2009, 01:16 AM
Wonder what was going on at that time that would make her want to take her life.

Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

"All I know is that I've also come up with another solution that would solve all my problems and I have seriously been thinking about it.... I have been thinking about this for a very long time and I'm very serious about it."

"When I was little, like sixth grade I used to pray every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I just wasn't meant to live I guess. No on wants me or even cares if I live or not and I'm just in the way anyways."

Haunting.

MoonFlwr
04-12-2009, 01:20 AM
Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

Haunting.

(Respectuflly snipped...for space).

It sounds like she is/was suffering from long-term depression
I wonder if she had been diagnosed with it and received treatment for it?

msfittz
04-12-2009, 01:22 AM
This case has drained me. I'm afraid to wade back into the Haleigh case now. It just all seems so d*** senseless!!!

That is exatly how I feel right now! Haliegh's case is so f'd up - with the family fights etc.

It makes you incredibly tired!

Reannan
04-12-2009, 01:22 AM
Welcome to WS's emmabella. We really appreciate your insight, and I hope that we can help you work thru trying to understand this horrible event along with us. How long has it been since you were in contact with Melissa?

momtective
04-12-2009, 01:25 AM
Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

"All I know is that I've also come up with another solution that would solve all my problems and I have seriously been thinking about it.... I have been thinking about this for a very long time and I'm very serious about it."

"When I was little, like sixth grade I used to pray every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I just wasn't meant to live I guess. No on wants me or even cares if I live or not and I'm just in the way anyways."

Haunting.

How very sad. While most kids her age (sixth grade) we're planning for their futures she was wanting her life to end and thinking no one wanted her or cared about her. I wish her family would have gotten her help then and maybe this could have been avoided.

The only time I ever prayed that my life would end was when I lost my son... so I can understand the intensity of the pain that would drive someone to say that prayer. I just wonder what happened in her life to cause her such excruciating pain at such a young age.

It's really amazing that you still have these notes and journals...thank you for sharing them with us.

Kat
04-12-2009, 01:27 AM
The police said this morning that she did not confess. They outlined what they had and she kind of accepted it.

Your first sentence I understand and concur. Your second sentence I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion?

emmabella
04-12-2009, 01:29 AM
How long has it been since you were in contact with Melissa?
We broke off our friendship in 2001 and I didn't hear from her again until 2005. We corresponded over email at that time. Her daughter was about a year old and she was in the divorce process. She said she had just completed school to do medical transcriptioning from home. Honestly she sounded like she had really gotten her life back on the right track. I lived in a different state so we didn't meet or even talk on the phone. It was more of a opportunity for closure for me to know that she was okay and doing well in her life. I haven't had any contact with her since then. Although I think about her very often. She is really one of the very few people I would call a best friend in my entire life.

Kat
04-12-2009, 01:35 AM
Goodnight everyone. Again Emmabella welcome and I wish you the best of the best! :seeya:

PolyGraph
04-12-2009, 01:36 AM
Melissa and I were very close in high school and the year after but I haven't spoken with her for some time. In high school she never used drugs to my knowledge. We did dumb teenage stuff but never alcohol, drugs or smoking. She was volatile at times and I know she had some mental/depression issues. I'm still reeling over this to be honest. It is completely shocking. I suspected it might be something like this...let me tell you my theory...she is on some type of psychotropic meds which could be responsible if she did do something to this child. Every case Ive studied where the mother commits some horrible act on multiple childrenor one one child seems to be because of the meds the doctors have her on. I just got off the phone with my best friend and told her the same thing!!! that i bet she was on some type of medications that were not right for her my oppinion only, emma welcome to the board and is there any way you can find out if she was on meds??? thanks so much for giving us your personal input!!!

Reannan
04-12-2009, 01:36 AM
Oh, emmabella, I am so sorry for how bad this horrible case has to hurt you too! From what you have already shared, however, I wonder if we will ever know the answer to "why" in this case. Mental illness does not fit into any category that can be understood by sane people.

msfittz
04-12-2009, 01:37 AM
We broke off our friendship in 2001 and I didn't hear from her again until 2005. We corresponded over email at that time. Her daughter was about a year old and she was in the divorce process. She said she had just completed school to do medical transcriptioning from home. Honestly she sounded like she had really gotten her life back on the right track. I lived in a different state so we didn't meet or even talk on the phone. It was more of a opportunity for closure for me to know that she was okay and doing well in her life. I haven't had any contact with her since then. Although I think about her very often. She is really one of the very few people I would call a best friend in my entire life.

WOW. So what do you think about this?

Reannan
04-12-2009, 01:38 AM
It looks like LE has finally logged into her MySpace account - last login: 4/11/09.

www.myspace.com/Cinderella888 (http://www.myspace.com/Cinderella888)

momtective
04-12-2009, 01:40 AM
I look forward to reading this thread tomorrow...right now i need to take this poor old body to bed. Thanks again emmabella.

laini
04-12-2009, 01:48 AM
As I was making final preperations for my kids' Easter, I was thinking about Melissa's daughter. How sad for her on a day that is supposed to be fun and family. (Sad for Sandra of course also)

Reannan
04-12-2009, 01:53 AM
I have often thought about Sandra missing Easter and how horrible it is going to be for her family. You are correct Laini, in thinking about how horrible tomorrow is going to be for Melissa's little girl too! This is just a nightmare that I wish all of us could wake up from.

msfittz
04-12-2009, 01:53 AM
As I was making final preperations for my kids' Easter, I was thinking about Melissa's daughter. How sad for her on a day that is supposed to be fun and family. (Sad for Sandra of course also)

Oh dear, as I was doing mine, I thought only about Sandra not about MH's daughter. You are a very good, and thoughtful person.

PolyGraph
04-12-2009, 01:54 AM
As I was making final preperations for my kids' Easter, I was thinking about Melissa's daughter. How sad for her on a day that is supposed to be fun and family. (Sad for Sandra of course also) me too:-( I feel so bad for her family, she is with god now so Im sure she is in loving arms...

I do feel that medications are responsible for this, Im a strong advocate of NOT medicating for many psychiatric problems, my theory is that unless the patient is totally dysfunctional, do not medicate. Look at all the previous cases where people were on these drugs and what they did, a good link and book to read about this is linked below... (im sure you will all change your mind and agree with me once you read this book) that meds cause madness, murder and violent behaviors, suicide etc etc (not all the time but in many cases).
http://www.breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=79

PolyGraph
04-12-2009, 01:56 AM
Off to bed...saying prayers for Sandra and her family! (And Melissa too) Everyone have a blessed Easter!!!!

scandi
04-12-2009, 01:58 AM
The police said this morning that she did not confess. They outlined what they had and she kind of accepted it.

Thanks Ladybug, and Emmabella, it is great to have you here. We are all in a state of shock over this.

I did read she gave them details of the murder itself. I'm going to have to start taking notes as we are getting so many links!

PattyCake
04-12-2009, 01:59 AM
me too:-( I feel so bad for her family, she is with god now so Im sure she is in loving arms...

I do feel that medications are responsible for this, Im a strong advocate of NOT medicating for many psychiatric problems, my theory is that unless the patient is totally dysfunctional, do not medicate. Look at all the previous cases where people were on these drugs and what they did, a good link and book to read about this is linked below... (im sure you will all change your mind and agree with me once you read this book) that meds cause madness, murder and violent behaviors, suicide etc etc (not all the time but in many cases).
http://www.breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=79

too off topic for here but I have a lot of experience in what you're alluding to with respect to an over-medicated society....

Just a shocking horrible end. I can't get my mind wrapped around the fact that a woman, a MOTHER did this to a child in the neighbourhood. :mad:

Reannan
04-12-2009, 02:14 AM
Goodnight everyone. Tomorrow is Easter (actually, I guess it already is!!). I hope everyone has a good day tomorrow.

scandi
04-12-2009, 02:19 AM
I'm wondering if anyone in her family tried to get her a lawyer. She was read her rights twice and could have spoken then for a free lawyer {I think}.

The family might not have the funds for a private attny in Tracy, but 99% of the population would be screaming for a lawyer after 4.5 hours of questioning!

So odd, as she was giving all this info to the press to explain how she wasn't involved and yet now does nothing to help save herself from being interrogated like that.

Where were her parents? We know nothing about them. I know she is 28, but still .. . . .

PS: is her dad Brian? I saw something about him when I googled if it was the right guy.

scandi
04-12-2009, 02:27 AM
Goodnight everyone. Tomorrow is Easter (actually, I guess it already is!!). I hope everyone has a good day tomorrow.

Good Night Reannan, Happy Easter to you.

As JBR reminded us, isn't it amazing how Eastertime has worked it's miracle for victims of needless murder. Melissa was arrested on Good Friday and I think Laci washed up on Good Friday as well. xxox

Tricia
04-12-2009, 02:31 AM
Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

"All I know is that I've also come up with another solution that would solve all my problems and I have seriously been thinking about it.... I have been thinking about this for a very long time and I'm very serious about it."

"When I was little, like sixth grade I used to pray every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I just wasn't meant to live I guess. No on wants me or even cares if I live or not and I'm just in the way anyways."

Haunting.
Dear Emmabella,

Thank you so much for coming on Websleuths. I know I speak for everyone when I say I really appreciate your honesty.

You are providing a look into Melissa's mind and life. Something that, until now, we have been guessing about.

Take care and if you need anything please email me.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com
tgrif@xmission.com

txsvicki
04-12-2009, 03:26 AM
We broke off our friendship in 2001 and I didn't hear from her again until 2005. We corresponded over email at that time. Her daughter was about a year old and she was in the divorce process. She said she had just completed school to do medical transcriptioning from home. Honestly she sounded like she had really gotten her life back on the right track. I lived in a different state so we didn't meet or even talk on the phone. It was more of a opportunity for closure for me to know that she was okay and doing well in her life. I haven't had any contact with her since then. Although I think about her very often. She is really one of the very few people I would call a best friend in my entire life.


Was Melissa overly possessive or jealous of your friendship? I have a theory that she might have thought Sandra was slighting her daughter by having other little friends or have been a bad influence. Someone on the other thread whose roommate knew her said that she was annoyingly relgious back then.

MoonFlwr
04-12-2009, 03:44 AM
K! So it was Sandra! And nothing was done by LE about this incident & her family still let her go to that house? Just more things that make NO sense to me! :waitasec:

Hang on....do I understand that what's being said here is....Sandra's family had knowledge of Huckaby's conduct with the previous 7 year old at the park?

scandi
04-12-2009, 03:47 AM
Hi, Before I hit the hay I wanted to say I saw Melissa's MySpace page before it went to private. I was literally amazed.

She had posted many photos of FWillliams and Sinclair there. And pics of Sandra too. So odd, as she knew on the 4th, the last day she logged in, that these 2 'friends' of hers were under the microscope of the TPD!


Krams

ilovemew
04-12-2009, 04:02 AM
Hang on....do I understand that what's being said here is....Sandra's family had knowledge of Huckaby's conduct with the previous 7 year old at the park?

Can someone clarify for me whether Sandra was the victim that was drugged at the park/pool by Melissa earlier. I read that somewhere but I figured that would have come out, after all they alerted to a man kissing her so I think they would have brought that up.

daisy.faithfull
04-12-2009, 04:20 AM
Hi, Before I hit the hay I wanted to say I saw Melissa's MySpace page before it went to private. I was literally amazed.

She had posted many photos of FWillliams and Sinclair there. And pics of Sandra too. So odd, as she knew on the 4th, the last day she logged in, that these 2 'friends' of hers were under the microscope of the TPD!


Krams

Just finished catching up with this thread... I just can't believe this!

As to the bolded portion of your post, if you are still here... did you notice any comments with the pictures? Were the pictures of her with FW, Sinclair or Sandra?

Nora Charles
04-12-2009, 04:25 AM
Melissa graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1999. I was in her class, we were best friends.

:eek: I know people who went there, as well as some who go there now! :eek:

GetSmart
04-12-2009, 04:45 AM
Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

"When I was little, like sixth grade I used to pray every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I just wasn't meant to live I guess. No on wants me or even cares if I live or not and I'm just in the way anyways."

Haunting.

Just a thought here... do you think she was relating to Sandra in some way.. almost like she felt no one cared about her either.. and in killing her she was killing the little girl she once was? Its late and I am probably really off base here.. the thought was so clear when I read that statement...

and thank you emmabella for sharing with us..

daisy.faithfull
04-12-2009, 05:04 AM
Just finished reading the thread... I'm stunned.

Here are some of the things that I'm wondering about:
1. If there is a history of MH having drugged a child in the past, is it possible that she attempted to do the same with Sandra and overdosed her? Not sure if that goes with the murder charge, so is it a possible that there was no attempt to drug Sandra, and MH just overdosed her with the intent to kill?
2. There has been speculation that MH was using meth-amphetamines. Is it possible that she was in a drug induced psychosis? Some speculations I've made that support meth use are: Between the picture of her with the fish and the one on her Myspace she has lost a lot of weight. If she has a history with depression, speed may be a way for her to self-medicate.
3. I've heard that it is common for children who latter become serial killers to kill animals. One explanation that I have heard for this is that animals, viewed by these children as lesser creatures, have emotions that they do not. Is it possible that MH was motivated to kill by something like that? If she is a sociopath or even just extremely numb from depression, could she have had a breakdown related to this envy of emotions (for lack of a better term) and lashed out a Sandra?
4. I've read that in some cases people who suddenly stop taking meds for mental illness like anti-depressants will experience extreme reactions. Could MH experienced a breakdown related to that?

I don't know if there will be any rational explanations for this... are there ever in cases like this? :cry:

:beats:Thoughts and prayers to Sandra's family, Tracy and all who have been affected by the loss of this beautiful child...:beats:

daisy.faithfull
04-12-2009, 05:15 AM
Just a thought here... do you think she was relating to Sandra in some way.. almost like she felt no one cared about her either.. and in killing her she was killing the little girl she once was? Its late and I am probably really off base here.. the thought was so clear when I read that statement...

and thank you emmabella for sharing with us..

I can see where you are coming from. As Emmabella said, it is unbelievably haunting. I was wondering if MH's deep depression at a relatively early age may have been caused by abuse. Could that be the root of her becoming an abuser?
Just for clarity I'm including the quote from from Emmabella that GetSmart was commenting on.

Originally Posted by emmabella
Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

"When I was little, like sixth grade I used to pray every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I just wasn't meant to live I guess. No on wants me or even cares if I live or not and I'm just in the way anyways."

Haunting.

wandering
04-12-2009, 08:17 AM
Candice DeLong says this crime was not sexually motivated.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090412/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase

adnoid
04-12-2009, 08:47 AM
It looks like LE has finally logged into her MySpace account - last login: 4/11/09.

www.myspace.com/Cinderella888 (http://www.myspace.com/Cinderella888)

Interesting. MySpace should be able to give LE access to the information without having to log in and update the last activity date. I wonder if it was a family member or someone else logging in? It could have been LE as well, of course.

chicagofa13
04-12-2009, 08:50 AM
Candice DeLong says this crime was not sexually motivated.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090412/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase

I posted about Candice's opinion last night in the arrest thread, I'd like to know how she is so sure. Inside info, or a guess????

Mellen
04-12-2009, 08:58 AM
I'm wondering if she was struggling with being a mother. With her history of depression and suicidal thoughts, she seems to be a prime candidate to have major postpartum problems. Most female child killers take the lives of their own children, but in this case, instead of harming her own child, it seems she sought out another child to take out her abusive urges on.

chicagofa13
04-12-2009, 08:59 AM
Your first sentence I understand and concur. Your second sentence I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion?

I don't think that was her conclusion, IIRC that was how LE described it!

oceanblueeyes
04-12-2009, 09:05 AM
Just a thought here... do you think she was relating to Sandra in some way.. almost like she felt no one cared about her either.. and in killing her she was killing the little girl she once was? Its late and I am probably really off base here.. the thought was so clear when I read that statement...

and thank you emmabella for sharing with us..

Happy Easter, GS!:blowkiss:

Actually I was wondering just the opposite.

It seems Sandra may have been everything that MH was not. She was friendly, outgoing, upbeat and showed the signs that many people loved her. MHs grandmother talked about how they thought of Sandra and Sandra's sister as their own children. The grandmother talked about how Sandra loved to do chores for her inside her home.

Maybe MH resented Sandra for being who she was and loved by so many including Melissa's own family.

imo

waltzingmatilda
04-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Happy Easter, GS!:blowkiss:

Actually I was wondering just the opposite.

It seems Sandra may have been everything that MH was not. She was friendly, outgoing, upbeat and showed the signs that many people loved her. MHs grandmother talked about how they thought of Sandra and Sandra's sister as their own children. The grandmother talked about how Sandra loved to do chores for her inside her home.

Maybe MH resented Sandra for being who she was and loved by so many including Melissa's own family.

imo

ITA Ocean. I think Melissa coveted Sandra. I was thinking of a line from the movie The Silence of the Lambs........Lector: What do we covet Clarisse? Agent Starling: We covet what we see every day.

Sandra represented everything Melissa is not.

Kat
04-12-2009, 10:31 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml

I just posted this to the media thread.

CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

wandering
04-12-2009, 10:31 AM
Happy Easter, GS!:blowkiss:

Actually I was wondering just the opposite.

It seems Sandra may have been everything that MH was not. She was friendly, outgoing, upbeat and showed the signs that many people loved her. MHs grandmother talked about how they thought of Sandra and Sandra's sister as their own children. The grandmother talked about how Sandra loved to do chores for her inside her home.

Maybe MH resented Sandra for being who she was and loved by so many including Melissa's own family.

imo
I'm inclined to agree with you. Sandra was beautiful, too. The shrinks will have a field day with this.

wandering
04-12-2009, 10:35 AM
I posted about Candice's opinion last night in the arrest thread, I'd like to know how she is so sure. Inside info, or a guess????
Well, I'll take a stab at that. Sandra was found fully clothed, and it is alleged that she was killed even before she was reported missing. Perhaps Candice's experience tells her that. She was an FBI profiler...

msfittz
04-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Candice DeLong says this crime was not sexually motivated.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090412/ap_on_re_us/girl_in_suitcase

Do you think that is speculation, or do you think she had first hand knowledge?

msfittz
04-12-2009, 10:40 AM
Well, I'll take a stab at that. Sandra was found fully clothed, and it is alleged that she was killed even before she was reported missing. Perhaps Candice's experience tells her that. She was an FBI profiler...


Sorry. I didn't see this post before I asked about speculation.

I don't think we know for sure that she was "fully clothed". IIRC Sheneman did not say that. He said she was id'd by the clothes she was wearing when she was last seen. The clothing could have been in the suitcase, or she could have only been partially clothed.

passionflower
04-12-2009, 10:42 AM
Here are some quotes from the letter dated 5/20/99:

"All I know is that I've also come up with another solution that would solve all my problems and I have seriously been thinking about it.... I have been thinking about this for a very long time and I'm very serious about it."

"When I was little, like sixth grade I used to pray every night that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I just wasn't meant to live I guess. No on wants me or even cares if I live or not and I'm just in the way anyways."

Haunting.

IMO, a 6th grader, praying to die every night..........no one cares..........
CHILD ABUSE, MOLESTATION!

amysmom
04-12-2009, 11:34 AM
me too:-( I feel so bad for her family, she is with god now so Im sure she is in loving arms...

I do feel that medications are responsible for this, Im a strong advocate of NOT medicating for many psychiatric problems, my theory is that unless the patient is totally dysfunctional, do not medicate. Look at all the previous cases where people were on these drugs and what they did, a good link and book to read about this is linked below... (im sure you will all change your mind and agree with me once you read this book) that meds cause madness, murder and violent behaviors, suicide etc etc (not all the time but in many cases).
http://www.breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=79

It's not just psych meds we all need to worry about..A drug (Chantix) to quit smoking has a few very SCARY possible side effects.

Suicidal and/or Psychotic behavior!

They claim it's seen in an extremely low % of users but that's more then enough to keep me from using this "wonder" drug docs have been pushing on their patients (myself included) for the last few years.

Here's just a bit of info on it:

Unfortunately, after approval in 2006, it did not take long before reports began linking Chantix to suicidal ideations and action, depression, violent behavior and cardiovascular problems. After increased reports of a problem, the label on Chantix has since been altered to reflect the risk of suicidal behaviors and thoughts.

Columbo
04-12-2009, 11:36 AM
Sorry. I didn't see this post before I asked about speculation.

I don't think we know for sure that she was "fully clothed". IIRC Sheneman did not say that. He said she was id'd by the clothes she was wearing when she was last seen. The clothing could have been in the suitcase, or she could have only been partially clothed.

In this press conference Sgt. Sheneman does state that Sandra was found wearing the clothes she was last seen in (about 6 minutes into the conference):

http://www.kcra.com/video/19112774/index.html

Kat
04-12-2009, 11:42 AM
TY columbo that is a very important detail!

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Do you think that is speculation, or do you think she had first hand knowledge?She can have her opinions, but it is not based on facts here. I don't think she has first hand knowledge as they have not released anything from the autopsy results. LE has been very good about not having leaks in this case due to the records being sealed. We will find out more in court on Tuesday.

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 11:47 AM
fwiw I was very depressed in grade school and junior high and did not want to live... but I was a very loved child and not abused in any way. (not to say she wasn't at all though...just saying that her family history might be helpful to consider in terms of history of mental illness)

I don't think there is anything that can explain away her actions. She seems sociopathic to me (moo of course), couldn't hold a job or a marriage..... She moved from living independantly with child and husband to living with her grandparents in a trailer home. I think combine that with her mental illness (stress mental illness) and you have a situation ripe for something like this.

I also think perhaps there was a "trigger" when she saw sandra the first time. M claims she came to her house to play then left when she was told M's daughter couldn't play. I wonder if something happened to trigger this "rage" and when Sandra came skipping back up the road she just took her with her to the church (with the suitcase in the trunk!)

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 11:49 AM
In this press conference Sgt. Sheneman does state that Sandra was found wearing the clothes she was last seen in (about 6 minutes into the conference):

http://www.kcra.com/video/19112774/index.htmlI wouldn't find it unusual for a female perp to have abused and redressed her before disposal. (Especially since I think this was premeditated)

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 11:50 AM
It's not just psych meds we all need to worry about..A drug (Chantix) to quit smoking has a few very SCARY possible side effects.

Suicidal and/or Psychotic behavior!

They claim it's seen in an extremely low % of users but that's more then enough to keep me from using this "wonder" drug docs have been pushing on their patients since it came out in 2006..

Here's just a bit of info on it:

Unfortunately, after approval in 2006, it did not take long before reports began linking Chantix to suicidal ideations and action, depression, violent behavior and cardiovascular problems. After increased reports of a problem, the label on Chantix has since been altered to reflect the risk of suicidal behaviors and thoughts.

thanks for that info! I won't be taking THAT anytime soon!

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 11:51 AM
I guess we shall find out soon enough about premeditation... Sheneman did allude that he knew if it was or wasn't at the presser.

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 11:53 AM
ITA Ocean. I think Melissa coveted Sandra. I was thinking of a line from the movie The Silence of the Lambs........Lector: What do we covet Clarisse? Agent Starling: We covet what we see every day.

Sandra represented everything Melissa is not.Reading my mind again, WM and Ocean? ;) (I don't mind, but please forgive the thoughts I have of Johnny Depp! LOL)

amysmom
04-12-2009, 11:54 AM
Melissa graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1999. I was in her class, we were best friends.

Welcome to WS! :blowkiss:

I've read all of your posts & want to thank you for sharing with us.

It must be very difficult for you to grasp what your former "best friend" has done..I truly feel for you & wish you all the best! :)

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 12:00 PM
more and more will be coming out about this woman's past in the days to come as well. I bet that is what all the reporters are on right now.... diiiiiggggging

amysmom
04-12-2009, 12:00 PM
thanks for that info! I won't be taking THAT anytime soon!

What really stinks is THAT drug has a very HIGH success rate..I personally know many who have been able to quit smoking (some quite easily) but it's definitely NOT worth the risk IMHO.

waltzingmatilda
04-12-2009, 12:03 PM
Reading my mind again, WM and Ocean? ;) (I don't mind, but please forgive the thoughts I have of Johnny Depp! LOL)

LOL You too! My daughter and I argue over who covets Johnny Depp the most! All the girls in my third grade last year loved Capt Jack Sparrow. I wonder if lil Sandra loved him too. Poor baby!

passionflower
04-12-2009, 12:03 PM
EMMABELLA & OTHERS

I opened a thread where all of the friends, classmates, locals, co workers can go to for us.

waltzingmatilda
04-12-2009, 12:06 PM
What really stinks is THAT drug has a very HIGH success rate..I personally know many who have been able to quit smoking (some quite easily) but it's definitely NOT worth the risk IMHO.


I think I'll take my chances with the ciggies! Seriously, the patches work and I buy lollipops in order to keep my right hand busy. LOL

Columbo
04-12-2009, 12:07 PM
I wouldn't find it unusual for a female perp to have abused and redressed her before disposal. (Especially since I think this was premeditated)

Of course, that is definitely possible.

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 12:16 PM
I agree Columbo... I need to go back to the actual presser wording again vs what was reported but iirc, Sheneman said she was IDd by the clothing she was last seen wearing by family members but I do not recall Sheneman getting into the semantics of if the clothes were actually on her body or just in the suitcase with her. He was very tightlipped about the whole thing.... (only reason I am saying that is because that question stuck out in my mind...that we did not know if the clothes were all on her body or thrown willy nilly into the case with her. God knows the perp would not be so stupid to leave them laying around for cops to find....) nurse now going back to find that presser again for personal clarification lol

Kat
04-12-2009, 12:20 PM
I think it's very important to know if Sandra was found in her clothes or not.

If she was found in her clothes that doesn't mean she was not molested. It means that if she was molested then the perp took time to either redress her or rearrange her clothing back possibly.

I'm curious to know myself. I know more details will be coming soon though.

ladybug
04-12-2009, 12:24 PM
I think it's very important to know if Sandra was found in her clothes or not.

If she was found in her clothes that doesn't mean she was not molested. It means that if she was molested then the perp took time to either redress her or rearrange her clothing back possibly.

I'm curious to know myself. I know more details will be coming soon though.

It was said by somebody in LE at one point that it is not unusual for a molester to redress a vic in their clothing to give the appearance that nothing is amiss.

Kat
04-12-2009, 12:25 PM
Anyone else catch that Sheneman said that he was aware of Melissa's significant criminal past? Or am I halucinating from too much Easter hershey kisses? :crazy:

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 12:26 PM
"she was identified by the clothing she was last seen wearing" http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=5503 so we don't know if it was on her in the case.....

(btw, on that video page this presser is on page four at the bottom)

ladybug
04-12-2009, 12:28 PM
Wow. Check out this article from Tracy Press:

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2298054-Exclusive-+Woman+in+mobile+home+park+reported+missing+suitca se&article-Exclusive-%20Woman%20in%20mobile%20home%20park%20reported%20 missing%20suitcase%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

After Sandra left, her oldest sister, Miranda, went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

I'm going to be sick. :(

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 12:30 PM
take that back! reporter says...was she fully clothed... Sheneman says yes

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 12:34 PM
Wow. Check out this article from Tracy Press:

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2298054-Exclusive-+Woman+in+mobile+home+park+reported+missing+suitca se&article-Exclusive-%20Woman%20in%20mobile%20home%20park%20reported%20 missing%20suitcase%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

After Sandra left, her oldest sister, Miranda, went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

I'm going to be sick. :(We don't know how much of what she is said is true. IIRC, I heard/read somewhere that the 5 yo daughter wasn't home. We are going to have to wait until they decifer her facts from fiction.

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 12:36 PM
Anyone else catch that Sheneman said that he was aware of Melissa's significant criminal past? Or am I halucinating from too much Easter hershey kisses? :crazy:No. I heard him say something along those lines, too. (Keep eating the kisses!)

Kat
04-12-2009, 12:36 PM
Deciphering Melissa's fact from fiction might take a long time, I have a feeling that she's one of the gals that "If her lips are moving....she's lying".

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Melissa Huckaby, 28, a local minister's granddaughter, is on suicide watch in an observation cell at the San Joaquin County Jail in French Camp, sheriff's Deputy Les Garcia said this afternoon.

Huckaby, arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, refuses to see visitors,

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2304030-Huckaby+on+suicide+watch&article-Huckaby%20on%20suicide%20watch%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

nursebeeme
04-12-2009, 12:38 PM
Deciphering Melissa's fact from fiction might take a long time, I have a feeling that she's one of the gals that "If her lips are moving....she's lying". amen! I know we cannot link back to GSJ here but she predicted there would be a "cluster" of cases like the Haleigh case.... (just interesting in lieu of Casey and Melissa the female perps!)

amysmom
04-12-2009, 12:40 PM
:beats:Thoughts and prayers to Sandra's family:beats:

snipped

It's been beyond heartbreaking for me to observe her mom's overwhelming grief..I'm truly worried about mom & hope she gets all the love, support, & help she so desperately needs.

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 12:40 PM
Of course, that is definitely possible.One of the talking heads mentioned her flip flops were still on her feet...now I don't know if she was repeating a rumor or not...but we did discuss it here. This would tell me she was redressed if indeed she were found wearing them. During the course of an abduction/murder, flip flops would surely not stay on with someone fighting for their life, imo.

msfittz
04-12-2009, 12:43 PM
take that back! reporter says...was she fully clothed... Sheneman says yes

Thanks Nurse - For days I have been perpetuating the rumor that Sheneman did not say she was clothed - I apologize if I wrongly convinced you, or anyone else.

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 12:44 PM
Deciphering Melissa's fact from fiction might take a long time, I have a feeling that she's one of the gals that "If her lips are moving....she's lying".Sounds familiar, doesn't it? However, I don't know many perps that lie as badly as she did to the press. She was so transparent, she could have just signed the Tracy Press article and handed it over as a confession, imo.

amysmom
04-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Deciphering Melissa's fact from fiction might take a long time, I have a feeling that she's one of the gals that "If her lips are moving....she's lying".

bold by me

Melissa is a Casey Anthony clone..We can include CA's parents to a slightly lesser degree but the shoe still fits!

I have a feeling we'll never get to the facts with either perp..Hope I'm wrong!

SeriouslySearching
04-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Melissa is a Casey Anthony clone..We can include CA's parents to a slightly lesser degree but the shoe still fits!

I have a feeling we'll never get to the facts with either perp..Hope I'm wrong!Forensics don't lie. ;)