Huckaby arraignment is scheduled for Tuesday, April 14 at 1:30 PM Pacific time zone

[arielilane]

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04/11/2009
The Tracy County Police Department arrested Sunday school teacher Melissa Huckaby, 28, for the kidnapping and murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. She was booked at the San Joaquin County Jail early Saturday morning, and no bail is allowed. Her arraignment is scheduled for Tuesday, April 14 at 1:30 PM. Huckaby had lived in the same mobile park as the Cantu family, and Sandra was friends with her daughter. Stay tuned to AMW.com for the latest on this breaking story.
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[LinasK]

Arraignment will be at court in Manteca, CA per Sgt. Sheneman.

[Columbo]

Sincerely not meaning to offend anyone by mentioning this guy....but I'm surprised he hasn't shown up on the scene yet. I hope Geragos will offer to "defend" MH, because that will ensure her conviction. p.s. he makes me sick!

[arielilane]

Sincerely not meaning to offend anyone by mentioning this guy....but I'm surprised he hasn't shown up on the scene yet. I hope Geragos will offer to "defend" MH, because that will ensure her conviction. p.s. he makes me sick!
He is a bit late isn't he...lol

[Gaia713]

IIRC correctly, she will make a plea. It will take less than 5 minutes and we shall see if she has a Public Defender with her or not.

There is no bail on murder so she won't be posting bail and getting out.

[Columbo]

He is a bit late isn't he...lol

Thanks for your post--I think this is the first time I've chuckled since this case started.

[SeriouslySearching]

The Sgt. alluded to the SWs etc being unsealed for this hearing. While it may go quickly, the real interest will be in that information. This is the part I am waiting on!

[JDB]

The Sgt. alluded to the SWs etc being unsealed for this hearing. While it may go quickly, the real interest will be in that information. This is the part I am waiting on!

I think the SW will not be unsealed till the prem not tomorrow

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, JDB! Rats!

[scandi]

Thanks, JDB! Rats!


Hmm I thought we read that yesterday in a link, that they would be unsealed for the Tues hearing.

Do we have anyone in Manteca to check for what is made public and also any motions that come out down the line?

Back to work and will see you tonight! xox

[SeriouslySearching]

I am confused on the subject myself. I missed Sgt. Sheneman answers on it today when he was doing his Q and A on Channel ten's website. (It was awesome, btw!)

[TripleA]

We need a poll on "How will MH plead"?

I am thinking either straight guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity. Any word on an attorney yet?

[SeriouslySearching]

Rape may be alleged in Sandra Cantu killing

TRACY, Calif. (AP) -- Prosecutors say they're considering rape and molestation allegations against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Huckaby has been arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lacivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6755834

[scandi]

Thanks for those posts SS,

Simply beyond the pale isn't it! I just watched the coverage on HLM, and besides the info your links gave, there was an additional point of interest.

In California there is no child - parent privledge. So if MH's daughter saw or heard anything she would be made to testify against her mother.

Also, do you understand the charge, Murder in the course of a kidnapping? I think there is a 4 hour window here, approx, and so she was killed maybe 3.5 hours after being kidnapped { just throwing that out}. Would that be called 'in the course of' even though she didn't die while in the act of being kidnapped?

[Nora Charles]

Scandi,

The way I understand it is as long as it occurs when she is being held against her will it is still in the course of kidnapping - kidnapping being the entire time she is held against her will, not just when "in transit" to another location. Here in CA, when a murder occurs during a felony they can ask for the death penalty.

[scandi]

Scandi,

The way I understand it is as long as it occurs when she is being held against her will it is still in the course of kidnapping - kidnapping being the entire time she is held against her will, not just when "in transit" to another location. Here in CA, when a murder occurs during a felony they can ask for the death penalty.



Thanks Nora, I appreciate your answer, and now that I look at it that way it makes perfect sense.


The sexual overtone is disparaging as I never expected anything so bizarre. I have read about this with men but with a woman doing this to a little girl it is just off the top.

Now I have gained a lot of respect for Sgt Sheneman. He said SS there was nothing obvious on her body that showed COD. It was evidently an inside injury. God Bless Sandra.

ETA: I meant he was telling the truth, just choosing his words carefully. xox

[Kat]

I'm not sure where to post this article, perhaps someone or one of the mods will give me advice? ( I did post it in the media thread).

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/A_NEWS/90413008

A San Joaquin County deputy district attorney who has put two murderers on California’s death row said today he’ll prosecute Melissa Huckaby, a Tracy woman suspected of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Prosecutor Thomas Testa said that in Tuesday’s court hearing – Huckaby’s first in this case since her Friday arrest – he will make a motion for the judge to issue a gag order.

Testa said he fears the high-profile risks a change of venue to another county, which would be expensive to taxpayers and become problematic to prosecute.

“Overall, it’s mechanically, procedurally, less burdensome to try it in our own county rather than elsewhere,” Testa said. “If something should be said that would be admissible, that hurts our case here


I would like to know more about this DA's record of prosecutions. Especially from a local if possible. TIA.

[Salem]

I don't have any info on Thomas Testa but if he has tried two death-row cases, he might come up on google or one of the law info sites. I'm sorry to hear about the gag order motion for myself but actually am glad for Sandra's family. This is going to be really rough for them if what we are is hearing is true (and I think it is).

Prayers for strength for Sandra's family,

Salem

[goofeegyrl]

San Joaquin County Superior Court
Stockton Courthouse
April 14, 2009

NOTICE TO THE MEDIA:

The arraignment in the case People of the State of California v. Melissa Huckaby has been scheduled for Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 1:00pm in Department 35 of the main Stockton Courthouse located at 222 E. Weber Avenue , Stockton , CA 95202 .

The case number will be determined upon filing of the complaint. Please see the attached order regarding media activity in public areas in the courthouse. Also attached is a copy of the court’s local rule 1-107 regarding media coverage.

2009-04-13 Order Regarding Media Activity In Public Areas Within The Courthouse

Pool cameras will be admitted into the courtroom starting at 12:15 pm . The following personnel will be admitted and allowed to gather images and sound:

Two (2) TV pool cameras (16x 9 and 4x3) – To be determined by the media
One (1) still photograph camera – Associated Press
One (1) video camera for newspapers – Stockton Record
One (1) pool designee for radio – KFBK 1530 AM

No live transmission will be allowed.

Due to high media interest, there will be limited courtroom seating; not all media may be allowed in the courtroom.

20 seats have been designated for journalists. The following media agencies have been chosen by members of the Statewide Bench-Bar-Media Committee to occupy those seats:

Sacramento Bee
Tracy Press
Stockton Record
Bay Area News Group
Associated Press
San Francisco Chronicle (print pool)

KOVR-TV (CBS affiliate)
KCRA-TV
KXTV-News10
Univision, Channel 19
ABC Network News
NBC Network News
KTVU (Fox affiliate)

The remaining 7 seats designated for journalists will be assigned by lottery. The lottery will occur at 11:30 am at the Clerk’s Office in Room 303 (3rd Floor).

Parking for media will be available on the 200 block of Main Street between San Joaquin and Hunter. Your media credentials will be needed to park in this designated area.

Regular updates will me made to this site.

Please refer all questions to:

Stephanie Bohrer, Public Information Officer
(209)468-2878 phone
(209)479-6542 cell
(209)468-8576 fax
sbohrer@courts.san-joaquin.ca.us

[Kat]

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/90414006

Connie Lawless asked everybody to maintain an open mind. Her granddaughter has yet to speak with an attorney and the only side of the story to come out so far has come from the Tracy Police Department, which is one-sided, she said.

[goofeegyrl]

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/90414006

So, they expect the TPD to give a "fair and balanced" view of someone who is being accused of murder? Someone needs to tell these people to keep their mouths shut.

[Amster]

Please, please tell me this family isn't going to mimic the A's.

[SeriouslySearching]

No. I don't see them doing any such thing. I think they will defend her if they truly believe in her innocence, but not if they suspect or are confronted with evidence to the contrary. (They mentioned this in an article/interview/video which I will have to find now.)

[gliving]

Good grief! Keep an open mind? They must be going for a mental defense. Too bad it's so premeditated it makes my head spin.

[cheko1]

I have thought the mental defense all along.

Seems to me to be premeditated! When she called LE to report her suictcase stolen.

[SeriouslySearching]

The San Joaquin County district attorney's office added three special circumstances to the murder count that would make Huckaby eligible for the death penalty if she is convicted. They alleged that the killing was committed during a kidnapping, involved a lewd or lascivious act on a child, and involved rape with a foreign object.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/14/BAG91728G7.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

[gliving]

I have thought the mental defense all along.

Seems to me to be premeditated! When she called LE to report her suictcase stolen.

I think when she got the suitcase out of the closet or where ever she kept it, it became premeditated. I don't think we will find her scrapbook materials either. Not to forget the sex toy. She planned this all the way.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have never seen a mention of a "sex toy". Where did you come up with that?


Rape by instrumentation is an act within or without the bonds of
matrimony in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body,
not amounting to sexual intercourse is used in the carnal knowledge of
another person without his or her consent and penetration of the anus
or vagina occurs to that person.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_rape_by_instrumentation (Bolded by me)

[gliving]

I have never seen a mention of a "sex toy". Where did you come up with that?

"involved a lewd or lascivious act on a child, and involved rape with a foreign object"

Maybe sex toy is the wrong choice of wording? I only assumed.

[Recovering-Lurker]

"involved a lewd or lascivious act on a child, and involved rape with a foreign object"

Maybe sex toy is the wrong choice of wording? I only assumed.

Sadly, it could have been anything. :(

[SuziQ]

I guess the media isn't allowed to broadcast the hearing live? Do we know if any media outlets will be twittering? If so, please post the twitter links. Thanks!

[SeriouslySearching]

I only think we need to be specific is why I questioned it. It will be very important to the case as to what was used and if they found an object said to be used in the crime.

It is possible they won't be able to find anything since it could be "any part of the human body" as mentioned above in what I posted for definition.

[donnam]

I have no words for this case. I am sickened to the core.

[DogWood]

Complaint

http://online.recordnet.com/projects/cantu/huckabycomplaint.pdf

[i.b.nora]

Stockton Court House Map (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=110630863159556194994.0004653dc2bbd1a835078&source=embed&ll=37.95325,-121.28829&spn=0.010845,0.017509&z=16)
You can zoom out and see its proximity to Tracy, etc.

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't read the complaint. Are there any surprises there?

[JDB]

SS Not really nothing new. But My Hat is off to Both The TPD and the DA for playing this one so close to the vest. Who knows what will come out at the Arringment

[octobermoon]

I can't read the complaint. Are there any surprises there?

not that I saw any -except "malice aforethought", does that mean premeditated???

The rest is what has been seen here.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes. It means premeditation.

ETA: Is it time yet? Is it time yet? Is it time yet? (drumming my fingers on the desk)

[Salem]

I can't read the complaint. Are there any surprises there?

No - but the reading of it takes your breath away and might make you cry. :(

Salem

[octobermoon]

Yes. It means premeditation.

ETA: Is it time yet? Is it time yet? Is it time yet? (drumming my fingers on the desk)

That is what I thought it meant:mad:

Do you know of a live link on the web?, having comcast (cable blips) here.

Tia

[DogWood]

I can't read the complaint. Are there any surprises there?

No. I just wanted to read it and not take the news medias' word for it. :crazy:

Did I link it wrong? It's a pdf file. Sorry about that.

ETA: I just checked it and it works for me. I put it on the docs thread as well. Perhaps someone can download it and post it if others are having a problem getting it open?

[mollymil23]

That is what I thought it meant:mad:

Do you know of a live link on the web?, having comcast (cable blips) here.

Tia

It won't be broadcast live.

[DogWood]

Does anyone know which stations (2?) will have the pool cameras?

News 10 said they have a seat in the courtroom so some coverage should be on there when it's over...

[SeriouslySearching]

No - but the reading of it takes your breath away and might make you cry. :(

SalemBoth happen frequently with this case anyway. :( It feels like I have been kicked in the gut daily since I started following this horrible case.

I warned people early on the brutality of this case might be difficult to handle. I haven't changed my feelings or opinions on it and this is only the beginning. Reading the face of Sgt. Sheneman was enough for me to confirm how horrific things coming out will be. (sigh)

[Salem]

Channel 10 says they will do a "video link" of the arraignment. Not live, but close.

Here: http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Salem

[Salem]

I agree SS - this may be the most brutal, detailed case I have followed so far, and I admit, I may be stepping back alot. :(

Salem

[DogWood]

Oops. Sorry Salem! I see you just posted the link. I'll 'try' and delete my post.

[JoeFromLB]

Forgive me if this has been asked already, but does she have to submit a plea at today's arraignment, or can it be postponed?

[DogWood]

Continued until April 24th.

No plea entered.

[keaska]

I can't read the complaint. Are there any surprises there?

I don't know if this is standard wording, but it's disturbing. I read this as Sandra was killed during the act of molestation or immediately after while attempting to flee? Am I translating this correctly?

Line 5 SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE:LEWD or LASCIVIOUS
It is further alleged that the murder of Sandra Cantu, was committed by Melissa Huckaby, while the said DEFENDANT was/were engaged in the commission, attempted commission or immediate flight after the commission, or attempted commision, of the crime of the performance of lewd or lascivious acts upon the person of a child on or under the age of 14....

EDITED to add: The next charge is RAPE by Foreign Object
with the same wording as above.

I'm a little sick after reading it. This is so vile. :(

[SeriouslySearching]

MSNBC said we just missed an impromtu press conference from the DA's office. Anyone catch it?

[raisincharlie]

Does anyone know which stations (2?) will have the pool cameras?

News 10 said they have a seat in the courtroom so some coverage should be on there when it's over...

I am hearing CNN - just what I hear at 4 pm EST

With any luck if they get it - maybe will stream it hear at some point.

http://www.cnn.com/video/

[i.b.nora]

San Joaquin County Superior Court
Stockton Courthouse
April 14, 2009

NOTICE TO THE MEDIA:

The arraignment in the case People of the State of California v. Melissa Huckaby has been scheduled for Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 1:00pm in Department 35 of the main Stockton Courthouse.

Pool cameras will be admitted into the courtroom starting at 12:15 pm . The following personnel will be admitted and allowed to gather images and sound:

Two (2) TV pool cameras (16x 9 and 4x3) – To be determined by the media
One (1) still photograph camera – Associated Press
One (1) video camera for newspapers – Stockton Record
One (1) pool designee for radio – KFBK 1530 AM

No live transmission will be allowed.

Due to high media interest, there will be limited courtroom seating; not all media may be allowed in the courtroom.

20 seats have been designated for journalists. The following media agencies have been chosen by members of the Statewide Bench-Bar-Media Committee to occupy those seats:

Sacramento Bee
Tracy Press
Stockton Record
Bay Area News Group
Associated Press
San Francisco Chronicle (print pool)

KOVR-TV (CBS affiliate)
KCRA-TV
KXTV-News10
Univision, Channel 19
ABC Network News
NBC Network News
KTVU (Fox affiliate)

The remaining 7 seats designated for journalists will be assigned by lottery. The lottery will occur at 11:30 am at the Clerk’s Office in Room 303 (3rd Floor).
Thanks to goofeegyrl for supplying the above info. Likely these media outlets will supply first info.
This website has live streaming off and on:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx
Its off now but the Prosecutors just told the media that they will not be trying this case in the media.

[Salem]

I missed everything! Links should be up soon, I HOPE! Dang!

Salem

[DogWood]

It's up on 10.

[raindrops300]

HLN now

[momtective]

MH did not enter a plea per HLN

[gitana1]

Continued until April 24th.

No plea entered.

I thought that would happen. Her family said this morning that she didn't even have an attorney yet. I'm sure her attorney would like to review what there is, speak to MH and then advise her.

[miss lisa]

What are they sayin????

[momtective]

preliminary hearing sometime in the future.

[momtective]

Sorry OT but she looks like h3ll!

[momtective]

I missed everything! Links should be up soon, I HOPE! Dang!

Salem

hln said she was emotional, did not enter plea and...that's about it.:blowkiss:

[gliving]

It's replaying now.

[i.b.nora]

10 is replaying it now!

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

[raindrops300]

she looked awful, tears steady streaming

still on hln

appointed PD, no plea, continued until 4/24

[tiredofthis]

hln said she was emotional, did not enter plea and...that's about it.:blowkiss:

She is emotional, but poor baby! It makes me sick to think about how emotional Sandra probably was before she died.:furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

I have watched her reaction a few times already. It looks like she is crying, but I am not seeing any tears.

[DogWood]

I thought that would happen. Her family said this morning that she didn't even have an attorney yet. I'm sure her attorney would like to review what there is, speak to MH and then advise her.

She was assigned a PD.

It's the same PD that is representing her on another matter before the court.

[momtective]

She was assigned a PD.

It's the same PD that is representing her on another matter before the court.

Do we have a name?

[tiredofthis]

I have watched her reaction a few times already. It looks like she is crying, but I am not seeing any tears.

Her eyes were watery.

[lne1970]

she cringed, closed her eyes, as if to cry when they said "rape with an object".....Yeah Melissa, I'm sure you're sorry now.....

[raindrops300]

I have watched her reaction a few times already. It looks like she is crying, but I am not seeing any tears.

In a close up, I did see tears running down and dripping off her face. Tears for herself I feel sure.

[tiredofthis]

HLN showing it now.

[DogWood]

I am hearing CNN - just what I hear at 4 pm EST

With any luck if they get it - maybe will stream it hear at some point.

http://www.cnn.com/video/

Thanks! Good to see you RC!

I'd like to see it again. Riveting performance.

[tiredofthis]

They are going to give her a mental evaluation to see if she knew right from wrong!

[DogWood]

Do we have a name?

I didn't catch it. Sorry!

Did catch that the hearing on the 24th will be heard in front of Judge Van Os(?)...

[Viki]

I have watched her reaction a few times already. It looks like she is crying, but I am not seeing any tears.

There are tears running down her face, lots of them, not that we know what they mean.

I agree with another poster, she was a mess, not the cool customer we've seen with other offenders lately.

[bp531]

Did I hear a motion to keep both side from speaking to the media?

[tiredofthis]

She is eligible for the DP?

[Searchfortruth]

I felt such anger seeing her in court, she is crying for HERSELF, IMO, Sandra's life has been taken, this piece of trash should suffer the same fate.

[jblfelines]

I felt such anger seeing her in court, she is crying for HERSELF, IMO, Sandra's life has been taken, this piece of trash should suffer the same fate.

Got that right. Seems when they cry it's for themselves. I hope she gets the DP and California doesn't wait 20 years.

[joga]

they definitely laid out the special circumstances to make her eligible for the death penalty. i think she is going to plead out first chance she gets...

[Sunburst70791]

God bless Sandra's mama....cause if it were me, I would have already killed
that woman with my bare hands! POS...crying....crying cause she got caught...
crying for her own self....not one of those tears, imo, are for that sweet baby
girl she tortured and murdered!! She, and all the other men and women like her make
me sick!


God Bless You Sandra!!! Justice will be served for you sweetie!

[arielilane]

I felt such anger seeing her in court, she is crying for HERSELF, IMO, Sandra's life has been taken, this piece of trash should suffer the same fate.
Exactly, she can cry all she wants...Sandra and Sandra's family are the victims.

[darlin gal]

The PD asked for a GAG order for both sides. The judge said that the judge on the 24th will take that matter up at that time.

The SA just made a quick statement about what happened in court, what the charges were and he was VERY CLEAR that they would be making no further comments about this case. He said the case will be tried in the courtroom and not in the press.

[i.b.nora]

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

replaying again

[arielilane]

God bless Sandra's mama....cause if it were me, I would have already killed
that woman with my bare hands! POS...crying....crying cause she got caught...
crying for her own self....not one of those tears, imo, are for that sweet baby
girl she tortured and murdered!! She, and all the other men and women like her make
me sick!


God Bless You Sandra!!! Justice will be served for you sweetie! Exactly! She tried to harm Sandra before...she knew what she was doing was wrong.

[Sunburst70791]

they definitely laid out the special circumstances to make her eligible for the death penalty. i think she is going to plead out first chance she gets...

I hope she does, even though I think she deserves to die a horrifying death, I hope she pleas so Sandra's family doesn't have to sit through a trial. Also, if she does plea, I PRAY TO GOD that she never, ever, ever, ever gets to appeal or gets probation....she should ROT in prison....and I hope that some of the other females in prison that are mothers will make it very hard on her.

I'm sorry for displaying so much anger....seriously, I am one of the most loving people you'll ever meet, but when it comes to hurting children I just get so furious!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

Someone named tlove on 10 chat mentioned WS and put up our link. They also mentioned the prior possible connection to the drugged girl found six months ago. (<<< Has nothing to do with what Julio claims.) There seems to be a few members there right now.

Here is one poster that thinks he/she has it figured out:

14 Apr 09, 01:39 PM
julio: theres a hit on her daughter and familty if she comes clean

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

[tiredofthis]

Someone named tlove on 10 chat mentioned WS and put up our link. They also mentioned the prior possible connection to the drugged girl found six months ago. There seems to be a few members there right now.

Here is one poster that thinks he/she has it figured out:

14 Apr 09, 01:39 PM
julio: theres a hit on her daughter and familty if she comes clean

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

I was just on there and saw that.

[SuziQ]

What did Julio say at the below chat that's got everyone calling LE on him?

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

[momtective]

I felt such anger seeing her in court, she is crying for HERSELF, IMO, Sandra's life has been taken, this piece of trash should suffer the same fate.

Not just her life but her innocence and her dignity. This sweet, trusting, innocent little child was violated in the most heinous way possible. I can only hope this violation occurred after her death. As for MH, her tears mean nothing to me, absolutely nothing. She is evil to the core if she is indeed guilty of this crime (and I do believe she is).

[SuziQ]

ETA: I see my question was already answered.

[Sunburst70791]

Someone named tlove on 10 chat mentioned WS and put up our link. They also mentioned the prior possible connection to the drugged girl found six months ago. There seems to be a few members there right now.

Here is one poster that thinks he/she has it figured out:

14 Apr 09, 01:39 PM
julio: theres a hit on her daughter and familty if she comes clean

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx


Hi SS, I'm I interpreting that right? That if the little girl that was drugged and found six months ago comes forward with information that they will be putting their lives in danger? ie: Hitman?? :confused:

[SuziQ]

Oy, I think Julio is full of carp. I hope LE lands on his doorstep. It would serve him right for being a troll.

[SeriouslySearching]

ETA: I see my question was already answered.Hehehe I am quick. ;)

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi SS, I'm I interpreting that right? That if the little girl that was drugged and found six months ago comes forward with information that they will be putting their lives in danger? ie: Hitman?? :confused:No, sorry. Two different conversations.

[SuziQ]

Hehehe I am quick. ;)

lol, you must have had more coffee than me.

[gliving]

What did Julio say at the below chat that's got everyone calling LE on him?

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

julio: she will take the heat for the whole thing all the way to death row and the killer will remain free

[Sunburst70791]

I don't know if anyone else noticed...but her lawyer kinda rubbed MH's back during the proceedings....I'm sorry, I'm not a lawyer, never will be one, but there is no way I could represent that monster, much less try to console her knowing what she did!! oy! imo

[raindrops300]

Hi SS, I'm I interpreting that right? That if the little girl that was drugged and found six months ago comes forward with information that they will be putting their lives in danger? ie: Hitman?? :confused:

I think that 'julio' is just a troll in that chat room and I'm taking what he said to mean that if MH confesses there is a hit on MH's daughter and family. But again, I think he is a troll just starting rumors and stirring up the posters in the News10 chatroom.

[bp531]

A DEMON that FILTHY will never come clean no matter how hard you scrub.

[Sunburst70791]

julio: she will take the heat for the whole thing all the way to death row and the killer will remain free

whoa.....:eek:

although I trust LE in this case and I believe they got the right person. Julio needs a visit by the local police for even acting like he knows something....moo

[raindrops300]

I know CA has the DP, but when was the last execution there?

[Sunburst70791]

I think that 'julio' is just a troll in that chat room and I'm taking what he said to mean that if MH confesses there is a hit on MH's daughter and family. But again, I think he is a troll just starting rumors and stirring up the posters in the News10 chatroom.



oh...that clears that up...thanks! I did have that confused.

wow...this Julio...he sumpin' else. :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I think our readership just went up.

[SuziQ]

whoa.....:eek:

although I trust LE in this case and I believe they got the right person. Julio needs a visit by the local police for even acting like he knows something....moo

It's sad that LE has to waste their time chasing stuff like this down, and they do chase it down. I've seen it happen in several cases where online trolls have answered the door to see LE standing there. It's quite hysterical. Saw it on TV once......

[ella's mom]

I think that 'julio' is just a troll in that chat room and I'm taking what he said to mean that if MH confesses there is a hit on MH's daughter and family. But again, I think he is a troll just starting rumors and stirring up the posters in the News10 chatroom.

I think you are right. He also said something about many farmers being involved. There is a "julio" on every site, internet newspaper, etc. Another guy was on one of the newspaper sites earlier stating that Melissa was taking the blame for something someone else actually did and that her family should actually be stepping up to defend her and stop covering for the actual guilty person. He also made mention of the cops being the enemy.

I don't have a link, I saw it earlier. I will look for it and hopefully post later.

Just starting to get involved in this conversation, but good to see many of my old "friends" posting here. :blowkiss:

[DogWood]

No, sorry. Two different conversations.


Quite the chat going on over there, aye?

[ella's mom]

I think our readership just went up.

Good. Hopefully we'll get some locals that can add for information to the conversation.

[Recovering-Lurker]

This site has the arraignment video also.

http://cbs13.com/

[JoeFromLB]

I know CA has the DP, but when was the last execution there?

Clarence Ray Allen...January 17, 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Ray_Allen

[raindrops300]

HLN again

[joga]

I hope she does, even though I think she deserves to die a horrifying death, I hope she pleas so Sandra's family doesn't have to sit through a trial. Also, if she does plea, I PRAY TO GOD that she never, ever, ever, ever gets to appeal or gets probation....she should ROT in prison....and I hope that some of the other females in prison that are mothers will make it very hard on her.

I'm sorry for displaying so much anger....seriously, I am one of the most loving people you'll ever meet, but when it comes to hurting children I just get so furious!!!!

i hope she does too, and don't apologize for the anger! we all feel it! i am just not good at expressing it without a barage of extreme profanity that would probably get me banned from here for life... :furious:

if they charge her with the death penalty and then she pleas, is LWOP the best that she could get or could she get a lesser sentence based on whatever her plea deal is? like you said, she should never, ever get a chance at parole once she pleas or is found guilty.

[ella's mom]

This site has the arraignment video also.

http://cbs13.com/

Just got a minute to watch it. Can someone clarify if the "Gag Order" is now in place or if that will be decided upon on the 24th?

[ishouldbworking]

Just got a minute to watch it. Can someone clarify if the "Gag Order" is now in place or if that will be decided upon on the 24th?


i think he said the judge that he's passing the case too will rule on that matter.

[arielilane]

This site has the arraignment video also.

http://cbs13.com/ Thank you RL. That link worked the best for me.

[Sunburst70791]

i hope she does too, and don't apologize for the anger! we all feel it! i am just not good at expressing it without a barage of extreme profanity that would probably get me banned from here for life... :furious:

if they charge her with the death penalty and then she pleas, is LWOP the best that she could get or could she get a lesser sentence based on whatever her plea deal is? like you said, she should never, ever get a chance at parole once she pleas or is found guilty.

you made me chuckle at the "barage of extreme profanity" restraint...I do it too! I'll type out what I really feel, all the cuss words and everything...then I go back and delete it all and submit a cleaner version. It makes me feel a little better. I never thought a case would hit me as hard as the Jessica Lunsford case...I had to step away from that one once details started to emerge...I may have to do the same in this one.

In regards to the lesser sentence...I would think, but I am not sure...maybe someone will correct me if I"m wrong (please) but I would think her options would be DEATH or LWOP...nothing else.

[Amster]

ick....looking at MH is repulsive. I saw a lot of attempting to cry, but no tears. She was also doing that slow blinking thing....like she was drugged.

[lawlady84]

I don't believe her crying and quivering lip means anything, but I'm happy at least she's not smirking and trying to "one up" the DA and judge like many narcissistic killers do. The good thing about her having a public defender is that many lawyers take that job out of an honest respect for justice. You don't get paid more or get "referrals" if you client weasels his way out of a conviction.

If the PD sees the evidence and there is tangible, physical evidence connecting MH to the crime, I'd bet she takes a plea. This DA sounds very professional and like he knows what he's doing - I'd think he'd allow a plea instead of the death penalty to save Sandra's family from having awful details broadcast all over the press. California prisons are not nice places to begin with- and no one likes a babykiller.

[CountryGirl]

14 Apr 09, 01:39 PM
julio: theres a hit on her daughter and familty if she comes clean

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

Now where have we heard THAT before? Hmmmmm.

[Searchfortruth]

I just don't buy it, the tears and remorseful look on her face, I bet that was not the look she had when she was killing Sandra...if I were the family of Sandra I do not know how I could possibly contain myself.

My prayers, all of them, are for Sandra and her family !

[SeriouslySearching]

Today's display doesn't fit her words when she is talking to the reporter via phone. She seems so casual when stating it was her suitcase and how it was stolen. I didn't hear any sign of trauma or tears in her voice knowing it became Sandra's coffin. Her voice didn't crack or break. She didn't give it a second thought.

[ella's mom]

Now where have we heard THAT before? Hmmmmm.
LOL. I think this is just the start of things like that coming out. I started having Deja vu (sp?) when the family was saying what a wonderful mother she was.

[paperwing]

I know CA has the DP, but when was the last execution there?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state_by_state

[CountryGirl]

Today's display doesn't fit her words when she is talking to the reporter via phone. She seems so casual when stating it was her suitcase and how it was stolen. I didn't hear any sign of trauma or tears in her voice knowing it became Sandra's coffin. Her voice didn't crack or break. She didn't give it a second thought.

Isn't that the truth?!! Next we'll be hearing she has a split personality and the "bad Melissa" did this.

[gitana1]

I think that 'julio' is just a troll in that chat room and I'm taking what he said to mean that if MH confesses there is a hit on MH's daughter and family. But again, I think he is a troll just starting rumors and stirring up the posters in the News10 chatroom.

There's always these types coming out of the woodwork in these cases. part of the problem is there are always those who just refuse to believe that a woman like this could commit such a disgusting crime. I tend to trust LE. They have no reason in general to go after the wrong person and tons of reasons to catch the real culprit. Sgt. Sheneman seems wonderful. Very professional, very determined and super intelligent. I don't see why anyone would doubt LE at this point. She did it and she did it on her own.

[gitana1]

Today's display doesn't fit her words when she is talking to the reporter via phone. She seems so casual when stating it was her suitcase and how it was stolen. I didn't hear any sign of trauma or tears in her voice knowing it became Sandra's coffin. Her voice didn't crack or break. She didn't give it a second thought.

Yeah, she wasn't caught yet!

[skippi]

I know CA has the DP, but when was the last execution there?

It was Tookie Williams, back in '05.far as I know.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/13/national/main1121576.shtml

[goofeegyrl]

It was Tookie Williams, back in '05.far as I know.


Clarence Allen in 1/06

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_California

[mrs.kravitz]

What does everyone think of as motive? I'm honestly leaning towards "snuff film"...could MH have been paid for abducting/drugging/filming? Just a thought...

[SeriouslySearching]

Obsession. No cameras. No snuff films. This was personal.

[yosande]

Someone named tlove on 10 chat mentioned WS and put up our link. They also mentioned the prior possible connection to the drugged girl found six months ago. (<<< Has nothing to do with what Julio claims.) There seems to be a few members there right now.

Here is one poster that thinks he/she has it figured out:

14 Apr 09, 01:39 PM
julio: theres a hit on her daughter and familty if she comes clean

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

I doubt there is a hit on her family if she comes clean, but I don't believe she acted alone.
Are they ignoring the witness that saw the truck at the irrigation pond with the guy looking into the water?
WTH?

[yosande]

There's always these types coming out of the woodwork in these cases. part of the problem is there are always those who just refuse to believe that a woman like this could commit such a disgusting crime. I tend to trust LE. They have no reason in general to go after the wrong person and tons of reasons to catch the real culprit. Sgt. Sheneman seems wonderful. Very professional, very determined and super intelligent. I don't see why anyone would doubt LE at this point. She did it and she did it on her own.

Not to be disrespectful to LE or a doubting Thomas but LE themselves said they were shocked at the arrest. They shouldn't stop investigating just because they have an arrest. imo the job isn't done until all the truth is known. I think FW is involved. He brought the letter to the memorial. He was seen at the irrigation pond, as was his truck, is this info correct or am I confused? moo
He also got on camera and describe the pastor as a "fun" guy. WTH does that mean? This guy's thought patterns are right. He should be investigated imo!!!
The likelihood that she acted alone would be shocking indeed, and I'm not buying it, yet. :)

[JDB]

Someone named tlove on 10 chat mentioned WS and put up our link. They also mentioned the prior possible connection to the drugged girl found six months ago. (<<< Has nothing to do with what Julio claims.) There seems to be a few members there right now.

Here is one poster that thinks he/she has it figured out:

14 Apr 09, 01:39 PM
julio: theres a hit on her daughter and familty if she comes clean

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

Bolded is Mine. Thanks for the laff.Gee guess who posted the Girl drugged 6 months ago and who it was.Guess they can not read what I typed.

[Searchfortruth]

I was looking for the numbers of women on Death Row in California, and could not find anything really recent. This is as of October 2006...

DEATH ROW:
As of October 2006, California had the largest number of women on death row of any state. All thirteen of the women on death row reside at Central California Women's Facility in Chowchilla.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/central-california-womens-facility-prison-chowchilla

[bp531]

OT- I was just over at another thread, there is a missing 8y.o. girl in Canada. THE POI IS A WOMAN.

[SeriouslySearching]

I doubt there is a hit on her family if she comes clean, but I don't believe she acted alone.
Are they ignoring the witness that saw the truck at the irrigation pond with the guy looking into the water?
WTH?Uhm...we know Julio is probably a troll and his post means nothing. We weren't giving it credit here.

They did not ignore it. As I said before, we know LE checked out Mr. M's story as they were supposed to bring back clothing for him to ID. LE possibly found the person he said he saw on the road looking into the ditch (not the water). He had an accurate description of the person and the vehicle. They are not required to report back any of their findings on tips or leads. If they felt this person was associated in any way...he would have been arrested along with Melissa Huckaby as Sgt. Sheneman stated.

[paperwing]

SearchforTruth - I thought there were 15 on death row... ? I'm sure you're info is more accurate than mine. I'm having a hard time finding good up-to-date links too...
I'm looking through the CA Dept of Corrections site but I haven't found anything recent yet (about this issue specifically, anyway), but I'll keep looking.

Here's the link to that site in case anyone's interested:

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/index.html

Here's a link from the same site re: condemned prisoners - current (haven't read through it yet):
http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Reports_Research/capital.html

[aprilshowers]

Obsession. No cameras. No snuff films. This was personal.


SS: can you explain what you mean by 'personal'?

Thanks

[JoeFromLB]

Women on Death Row (13 in California)...

http://www.sonic.net/~msnyder/femvio/death_row.htm

[paperwing]

Women on Death Row (13 in California)...

http://www.sonic.net/~msnyder/femvio/death_row.htm

From the same site
http://www.sonic.net/~msnyder/femvio/executed-US.htm

Women who've been executed in CA:

Juanita - Year 1851
Etheel Juanita Spinelli Year 1941
Louise Peete Year 1953
Barbara Graham Year 1955
Elizabeth Ann Duncan Year 1962

Women executed after 1977:
US total: nine
CA: none

I'm not familiar with this particular site, though, are you?

[JoeFromLB]

No, I just found it by Googling "death row california women".

[paperwing]

well, that's cool. : ) I couldn't find any site details (that doesn't mean the numbers are inaccurate, I was just curious).

From the CA Dept of Corrections website, the number of executions in CA since 1978: 13. None of them women.

I'm not sure the DP is the worst sentence available. After all, DR inmates are kept away from other inmates, who would probably treat them a lot worse. I don't think other women would ignore another inmate who has killed a child - many inmates are probably mothers themselves and I'd assume a crime like this one would be tolerated in ANY way. That - opposed to 10-15-20 years on DR - might be a far worse sentence, and for many, a more fitting consequence.

A DP would probably be reduced to life without possibility of parole, anyway 10 years after conviction. It's likely, anyway...

[arielilane]

Obsession. No cameras. No snuff films. This was personal.
I agree