Other Possible Victims of Melissa Huckaby?

[SuziQ]

I'm starting this thread for us to research other possible victims of Melissa. If it's true that Melissa abused at least three children in Tracy and was only in Tracy for 8 months, that could be an indicator that Melissa was well into being a predator by the time she move to Tracy.

I'm thinking a search of the past 10 years or less?

Missing kids websites: I'll post more in this post if you PM me.

MISSING SITES- List of websites/contact info/criteria for listing
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71516

NCMEC
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US

AMW
http://www.amw.com/

California Department of Justice:
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/feature.asp?action=child

Missing kids map:
http://www.missingkidsmap.com/

The Charley Project:
http://charleyproject.org/

The known counties Melissa has ties to are:
Refer to post #12 for dates
San Joaquin County, California
Orange County, California
San Bernardino County, California
Kansas (possible connection not confirmed)

[LaLaw2000]

I would certainly not doubt that there may be more victims of MH. Are there children missing under mysterious circumstances in the counties you named, SuziQ?

[SuziQ]

I would certainly not doubt that there may be more victims of MH. Are there children missing under mysterious circumstances in the counties you named, SuziQ?

I tried searching NCMEC last night and the site was having tech problems. I'll have to try again today.

[LaLaw2000]

I tried searching NCMEC last night and the site was having tech problems. I'll have to try again today.

Thank you! I am looking also.

ETA: I see the problem with NCMEC. I can get the first page of missing children in California but cannot get past that page.

[TakeNote]

im having trouble with the web site

[SuziQ]

Dang, hopefully the problems will be resolved soon.

[TakeNote]

any other site anyone knows that are good ones to use?

[har30black]

I'm at work or I would help with the research...thanks for looking into this. My heart aches thinking there might be more victims....

[*Hayley*]

Great idea. I will help too if I can.

[SeriouslySearching]

NCMEC, while being a good site for the most part...I have found not to be very helpful because they do not include much information.

Other sites to check out are www.amw.com (they have a missing child section by state), most local police and sheriff departments have a missing section, and I will try to track down some other links for you.

Here are many listed right at our fingertips on this site!! (Thanks, Christine!):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71516

[gibby207]

It was mentioned on the friends and family thread that there was a younger girl staying with Melissa's family at one time (when Melissa was younger) and then appeared to leave or be gone. I wonder if something happened there.

[freefallzzzz]

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Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea Olinda High School, Brea, CA, 1995-1999
Melissa Lawless
California State University, San Bernardino, CA, 2004-2006
Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School, Brea, CA, 1987-1991
Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School, Brea, CA, 1988-1992
Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea Olinda High School, Brea, CA, 1995-1999

Here is the scan of Melissa's picture in her senior yearbook (Brea Olinda HS class of 1999). Sorry for the poor quality, I will try to rescan later. I also have some more pictures that I will upload later on.

[SuziQ]

NCMEC, while being a good site for the most part...I have found not to be very helpful because they do not include much information.

Other sites to check out are www.amw.com (http://www.amw.com) (they have a missing child section by state), most local police and sheriff departments have a missing section, and I will try to track down some other links for you.

Here are many listed right at our fingertips on this site!! (Thanks, Christine!):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71516

Thank you SS and Christine! I edited the header post to add this info.

[SuziQ]

Thank you so much Freefall. And welcome to WS!

[SuziQ]

It was mentioned on the friends and family thread that there was a younger girl staying with Melissa's family at one time (when Melissa was younger) and then appeared to leave or be gone. I wonder if something happened there.

And I think I read somewhere that a friend, Emily?, stated it was a baby.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, FreeFallz! Very helpful information. :)

[cynsational]

Remember when searching Melissa Huckaby that there is that woman with the same name there!
http://cbs5.com/local/huckaby.mistaken.identity.2.984162.html
Also, i believe MH lived in Kansas at one time.

[Groovytown]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children

[SeriouslySearching]

We should pay attention to similarities when narrowing our searches.

7-9 years old

Female

Physical characteristics could be similar to Sandra, too. (Can we get a photo here and her stats to refer back to perhaps?)

One thought I had was to check the churches she or her family are/were involved with over the years and check out the proximity of the missing using the churches as the center point.

[gliving]

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/feature.asp?action=child

California missing children.

I would look for both boys and girls. You just never know.

[gibby207]

And I think I read somewhere that a friend, Emily?, stated it was a baby.

Yeah, I think got the child as a baby and raised her to a point but then the friend moved away so doesn't know beyond that.

[SeriouslySearching]

Can someone track down the churches and post the addresses of those here? Thanks! It would be so helpful.

[fortytwo]

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Brea Olinda High School, Brea, CA, 1995-1999
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California State University, San Bernardino, CA, 2004-2006
Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School, Brea, CA, 1987-1991
Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School, Brea, CA, 1988-1992
Melissa Huckaby (Lawless)
Brea Olinda High School, Brea, CA, 1995-1999
Thank you, freefallzzz. (You're starting out with a bang.)

This is probably not particularly germane to anything, but I was caught by the fact that MH's elementary school called itself "Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School".

Both of my boys attended a well known and well established Friends School from pre-K through 12. It is a non-denominational private school which is not by at all a religiously oriented institution, except for very basic principles of social tolerance.

I am by no means familiar with all Friends schools (This is, of course, a reference to a Quaker heritage.) but the ones I know about are similarly unconcerned with the imperatives of fundamentalist Christianity. If you do a Google search using the term "friends school" you will see what I mean.

The Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School clearly is not. It's mission statement (link here (http://www.breachristianschool.org/statement.php)) begins with an uncompromising assertion of biblical inerrancy and becomes increasingly more strident.

I find the use of the word "Friends" in their school name to be more than disingenuous. The connotations of this word are quite clear to nearly anyone familiar with the private school community. In general the philosophy of most Friends Schools is quite antithetical to the mission statement of this group.

If I were less charitable I would say that they were misrepresenting themselves in the very name of their school.

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is a bit of a rundown on where she was living over a period of time:

Huckaby lived with her grandparents as long as seven years ago in the mobile home park, court papers say. She was unmarried, going by her maiden name, Lawless, and in 2002 filed a domestic violence restraining order against an ex-boyfriend.

By 2003, she was living in an apartment nearby on North Tracy Boulevard and had filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, unable to pay tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card charges.

Sutter Tracy Community Hospital had sued her months before, seeking more than $10,000 for unspecified medical treatment, while she worked at a Food 4 Less grocery store.

She got married eight days after filing for bankruptcy. Four months later, Huckaby gave birth to her daughter, M, who would become Sandra’s playmate. Huckaby and her husband lived in Orange County, separated in 2004 and divorced the next year, court papers say.

Her known criminal record dates to 2006, when Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County. She served jail time for the charge, but it is unclear for how long, according to court papers filed in San Joaquin County Superior Court.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/904140316

[Nora Charles]

Thank you, freefallzzz. (You're starting out with a bang.)

This is probably not particularly germane to anything, but I was caught by the fact that MH's elementary school called itself "Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School".

Both of my boys attended a well known and well established Friends School from pre-K through 12. It is a non-denominational private school which is not by at all a religiously oriented institution, except for very basic principles of social tolerance.

I am by no means familiar with all Friends schools (This is, of course, a reference to a Quaker heritage.) but the ones I know about are similarly unconcerned with the imperatives of fundamentalist Christianity. If you do a Google search using the term "friends school" you will see what I mean.

The Brea - Olinda Friends Christian School clearly is not. It's mission statement (link here (http://www.breachristianschool.org/statement.php)) begins with an uncompromising assertion of biblical inerrancy and becomes increasingly more strident.

I find the use of the word "Friends" in their school name to be more than disingenuous. The connotations of this word are quite clear to nearly anyone familiar with the private school community. In general the philosophy of most Friends Schools is quite antithetical to the mission statement of this group.

If I were less charitable I would say that they were misrepresenting themselves in the very name of their school.

I am familiar with this particular school and knew people who taught there. It is a decent size private school, and well respected in the community. It isn't some type of "fringe" church school, but very normal. People from all walks of life put their children in this school, not just church members. Likewise, the teachers I knew did not attend the church and were not involved in their denomination.

[CountryGirl]

What part of San Bernardino county? It's huge (I live in SBC)--the largest county in the country. Would help to narrow it down to towns if you know. Thanks!

[fortytwo]

I am familiar with this particular school and knew people who taught there. It is a decent size private school, and well respected in the community. It isn't some type of "fringe" church school, but very normal. People from all walks of life put their children in this school, not just church members. Likewise, the teachers I knew did not attend the church and were not involved in their denomination.
Thank you. I am relieved to hear that.

Small private schools have gotten some difficult publicity over the years. As a result I can tend to be a bit defensive.

[CountryGirl]

Here is a bit of a rundown on where she was living over a period of time:

Huckaby lived with her grandparents as long as seven years ago in the mobile home park, court papers say. She was unmarried, going by her maiden name, Lawless, and in 2002 filed a domestic violence restraining order against an ex-boyfriend.

By 2003, she was living in an apartment nearby on North Tracy Boulevard and had filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, unable to pay tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card charges.

Sutter Tracy Community Hospital had sued her months before, seeking more than $10,000 for unspecified medical treatment, while she worked at a Food 4 Less grocery store.

She got married eight days after filing for bankruptcy. Four months later, Huckaby gave birth to her daughter, M, who would become Sandra’s playmate. Huckaby and her husband lived in Orange County, separated in 2004 and divorced the next year, court papers say.

Her known criminal record dates to 2006, when Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County. She served jail time for the charge, but it is unclear for how long, according to court papers filed in San Joaquin County Superior Court.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/904140316

With that timeline and those circumstances, I highly doubt this is the same Melissa Lawless/Huckaby that attended college at Cal State San Bernardino.

[bp531]

Missing Kids Map

http://www.missingkidsmap.com/

[Lorma]

So, She only has one child,,,Someone reported one time she had another one. But obvioulsy she only has 1.

[nursebeeme]

It was mentioned on the friends and family thread that there was a younger girl staying with Melissa's family at one time (when Melissa was younger) and then appeared to leave or be gone. I wonder if something happened there. I *think* that may be an adopted daughter. In the raw interview with Melissa's father he said that he had two boys and another daughter younger than Melissa...

[future criminologist]

I don't doubt that there are other molestation victims, but I do doubt that there are other murder victims or missing children that she killed - the haphazard way she went about hiding her victim and then coming forward about the suitcase tells me that this is someone who has not committed this crime before. I would expect her to be better at hiding the body if she had.

[nursebeeme]

Here is a bit of a rundown on where she was living over a period of time:

Huckaby lived with her grandparents as long as seven years ago in the mobile home park, court papers say. She was unmarried, going by her maiden name, Lawless, and in 2002 filed a domestic violence restraining order against an ex-boyfriend.

By 2003, she was living in an apartment nearby on North Tracy Boulevard and had filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, unable to pay tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card charges.

Sutter Tracy Community Hospital had sued her months before, seeking more than $10,000 for unspecified medical treatment, while she worked at a Food 4 Less grocery store.

She got married eight days after filing for bankruptcy. Four months later, Huckaby gave birth to her daughter, M, who would become Sandra’s playmate. Huckaby and her husband lived in Orange County, separated in 2004 and divorced the next year, court papers say.

Her known criminal record dates to 2006, when Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County. She served jail time for the charge, but it is unclear for how long, according to court papers filed in San Joaquin County Superior Court.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/904140316

I am posting this information alongside yours SS... because some of it is different... for comparison while we are searching and figure out which of it is correct...:

According to court documents, Melissa Lawless owed more than $17,000 in medical expenses. She earned a total of $10,525 in 2002 while working at the grocery store.
Amid the financial chaos, Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003, four months before giving birth to M Huckaby in San Joaquin County, according to court documents.
The pair moved south to Fontana, but the marriage quickly soured, with Melissa and her daughter moving out of their apartment by May 2004. Melissa took her daughter to mother Judy Lawless' Cypress home and separated from Johnny Huckaby in August 2004, according to the divorce file.
On Jan. 19, 2005, after almost a year living with her mother, Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences, court records show.
Melissa's relatives have said the divorce caused mental issues for her. Melissa came to Tracy eight months ago with her daughter to help care for her grandparents in their mobile home park, a few units from where Sandra lived.
In 2006, Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County. Information about her sentence wasn't immediately available.
Separately, in January, she pleaded no contest to a petty theft charge in San Joaquin County. She was sentenced to three years of probation on the condition that she participate in a county mental health program.
She had been scheduled to go to court this Friday to report on her participation in that program. snipped from this... http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12135348 (http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12135348)

[nursebeeme]

from that article I just posted above, Fontana and Cypress, CA would be towns to keep on radar

[i.b.nora]

Adding to info to help sort out:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/13/MNAB171O1O.DTL

"In addition to her previous, relatively minor criminal convictions, Huckaby has had financial difficulties, mostly related to medical bills.

Court records show that she filed for bankruptcy in 2003 and at the time owed $10,000 to Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, $4,394 for ambulance services, and thousands of dollars in other medical and retail store bills."

[Nora Charles]

I am posting this information alongside yours SS... because some of it is different... for comparison while we are searching and figure out which of it is correct...:

According to court documents, Melissa Lawless owed more than $17,000 in medical expenses. She earned a total of $10,525 in 2002 while working at the grocery store.
Amid the financial chaos, Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003, four months before giving birth to M Huckaby in San Joaquin County, according to court documents.
The pair moved south to Fontana, but the marriage quickly soured, with Melissa and her daughter moving out of their apartment by May 2004. Melissa took her daughter to mother Judy Lawless' Cypress home and separated from Johnny Huckaby in August 2004, according to the divorce file.
On Jan. 19, 2005, after almost a year living with her mother, Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences, court records show.
Melissa's relatives have said the divorce caused mental issues for her. Melissa came to Tracy eight months ago with her daughter to help care for her grandparents in their mobile home park, a few units from where Sandra lived.
In 2006, Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County. Information about her sentence wasn't immediately available.
Separately, in January, she pleaded no contest to a petty theft charge in San Joaquin County. She was sentenced to three years of probation on the condition that she participate in a county mental health program.
She had been scheduled to go to court this Friday to report on her participation in that program. snipped from this... http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12135348 (http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12135348)

FYI...Fontana is in San Bernardino County so we have another connection to that county. It's approximately one hour from her old high school in OC.

[nursebeeme]

FYI...Fontana is in San Bernardino County so we have another connection to that county. It's approximately one hour from her old high school in OC. bump and bold...thanks Nora:blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't doubt that there are other molestation victims, but I do doubt that there are other murder victims or missing children that she killed - the haphazard way she went about hiding her victim and then coming forward about the suitcase tells me that this is someone who has not committed this crime before. I would expect her to be better at hiding the body if she had.You could be correct, but then again...we simply do not know and the reason we are going to explore the possibility. The fact she was so haphazard could mean she did this before without being caught and is the reason she didn't take many precautions this time.

The way she appeared to be bragging to the reporter about being interrogated about the drugging/molestation of a child prior to this also is a red flag. It makes me wonder how many are out there she isn't bragging about to others and how far she went with those. No one knows except Melissa and the ones who survived perhaps (if they have memories of what happened).

[scandi]

I don't doubt that there are other molestation victims, but I do doubt that there are other murder victims or missing children that she killed - the haphazard way she went about hiding her victim and then coming forward about the suitcase tells me that this is someone who has not committed this crime before. I would expect her to be better at hiding the body if she had.

Hi FC, I have been thinking the same thing as you. The crime was done in a disorganized manner acc to LE. There might be killers that are always disorganized, I don't know. But IMO she was way to exuberant in whatever she did to her causing an injury which led to death. A puncture wound I think as LE said they knew the spot where the killing took place.

I did read on another thread here there were 2 other children molested by MH = that makes 3 in total that we know of.

It might be profunctional to search for reported molestations instead of deaths, as I think she is a serial child molester. That part must have happened before IMO if she would graduate to the use of an instrument! That is so abnormal for a gal to do.

[kiki the parrot]

I don't doubt that there are other molestation victims, but I do doubt that there are other murder victims or missing children that she killed - the haphazard way she went about hiding her victim and then coming forward about the suitcase tells me that this is someone who has not committed this crime before. I would expect her to be better at hiding the body if she had.

As unfathomable--and repugnant--the details of this case are as they are emerging, I was relieved to find a thread already devoted to this possibility since this was my first concern as well.

Prior to allegations of SA I was trying to fathom why she chose to murder another person's child. But when I learned this may have involved SA, I began immediately praying that her own little girl is being evaluated for possible abuse.

Then I came here and the horrifying implications really registered. I am no criminal profiler, and I suppose it is possible she could be anything from a mentally ill but innocent wannabe, to a first-time SO, to a disorganized serial killer. But along w targeting a gender I would assume it's equally possible an SO could have a previously undetected pattern of targeting predominantly victims of younger age group--below which a child is unable to verbalize, or articulate well enough to make an effective witness. Then subsequently "slips up" and victimizes an older child--whose verbal skills threaten to expose the perpetrator who crosses that line finally to murder. I am not saying any of this is necessarily the case here. Only that I could envision a scenario where after the act's performed upon an older victim the ante is suddenly raised, the stakes become too high--and a formerly unapprehended SO finally graduates to child murder. JMO

:parrot:

[SuziQ]

Kron live discussed the other incident. It's confirmed as having happened, but no details given.

http://www.kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

[txsvicki]

I imagine that the family has been ordered to get Melissa's daughter an official physical exam and to have her talked to by a therapist. I can only imagine the horror going through the minds of the preschool teacher and the parents of other students, not to mention the Sunday School kids' parents. Then there's the other drugged child. Maybe M. was talking about that trying to set up suspicion on someone else, like, " I was questioned, but see, it wasn't me".

[Evan's Mom]

http://charleyproject.org/

[SuziQ]

I'm still waiting for Kron to put up a video about the case of the other girl being confirmed.

[i.b.nora]

KRON News is on again at 11:00 pm pdt

[drumstick]

Hi FC, I have been thinking the same thing as you. The crime was done in a disorganized manner acc to LE. There might be killers that are always disorganized, I don't know. But IMO she was way to exuberant in whatever she did to her causing an injury which led to death. A puncture wound I think as LE said they knew the spot where the killing took place.

I did read on another thread here there were 2 other children molested by MH = that makes 3 in total that we know of.

It might be profunctional to search for reported molestations instead of deaths, as I think she is a serial child molester. That part must have happened before IMO if she would graduate to the use of an instrument! That is so abnormal for a gal to do.

I agree with your post. After my eyes fell out from viewing posters of missing children all night I didn't find any other known case that fits Sandra's profile.
In fact, the majority of the missing kids in CA are parental abductions followed by the mid teen group of suspected runaways.

That leads me to believe that you are probably correct in your assessment that MH could be a serial child molester.

This small town has been in the news recently with the kidnapping, torture case of young Kyle and now Sandra's murder.
The Tracy 60 are still out there.
How does one small town become so infested with people who live to hurt children? But most important, what is being done to exterminate it before another child is murdered or tortured and molested?

~

[SuziQ]

drumstick, I so far have come to the same conclusion you have about possible related cases.

[DogWood]

(CNN) -- Police are searching for any other alleged victims of a Sunday school teacher accused of raping and killing an 8-year-old girl from Tracy, California.

Melissa Huckaby is charged with killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who was a friend of her own daughter.

"We are asking the public if they have any indication that any of their children may have had inappropriate contact with [the suspect] to contact us," Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said Tuesday evening. "There has been no indication that this has happened. But she is a Sunday school teacher and did have contact with children, so that is why we are asking."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/15/slain.girl.case/

[DogWood]

Respectfully snipped...

Melissa took her daughter to mother Judy Lawless' Cypress home and separated from Johnny Huckaby in August 2004, according to the divorce file.
On Jan. 19, 2005, after almost a year living with her mother, Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences, court records show.

I just wanted to add to this and I'm not sure where to put it...

According to this report, Melissa claimed Child Abuction, Domestic Violence, and Alcohol Abuse in the divorce papers which resulted in Mr. Huckaby having limited visitation with supervision only.

It's near the end of this video.
http://www.kcra.com/video/19184506/index.html

[freefallzzzz]

(CNN) -- Police are searching for any other alleged victims of a Sunday school teacher accused of raping and killing an 8-year-old girl from Tracy, California.

Melissa Huckaby is charged with killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, who was a friend of her own daughter.

"We are asking the public if they have any indication that any of their children may have had inappropriate contact with [the suspect] to contact us," Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said Tuesday evening. "There has been no indication that this has happened. But she is a Sunday school teacher and did have contact with children, so that is why we are asking."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/15/slain.girl.case/

Thank GOD police are searching for other victims! I do hope the media picks up on this in other areas that she lived!

[momtective]

How old would Melissa have been in 1995? This case is eerily similar to Sandra's and Covina is very close to Los Angeles and Fontana. http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=U10163&orgPrefix=NCMU&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[Salem]

MH would have been about 14 in 1995. I believe she is 28 now. I think her bday is posted in the Astro thread.

Salem

[TripleA]

It is thought that Ted Bundy actually began killing when he was a young child. I don't think that MH's age at the time of the crime should immediately rule out her involvement.

[SuziQ]

It is thought that Ted Bundy actually began killing when he was a young child. I don't think that MH's age at the time of the crime should immediately rule out her involvement.

I have an interesting story about that. My sis lived a street over from Bundy's family and he was her newspaper boy. A little girl who used to follow him around like a puppy dog disappeared and was never found. Curiously my sister's street was paved over in the days after the disappearance and it was always suspected that Bundy killed her then buried her in that street. I believe Bundy would have been around 12-13yrs old at the time.

[Seahorseladydi]

I don't doubt for a moment there are MORE VICTIMS of Ms. Huckabee... I would first look at her own daughter....

I pray that these children will come forward.... to their parents or someone they trust... so the cycle can be broken....

thank you for starting this thread.....

[SuziQ]

Bundy was 14:

http://laurajames.typepad.com/clews/2006/10/ted_bundys_firs.html

(snip)
Did Ann Marie Burr and Ted Bundy cross paths in the same Tacoma, Washington neighborhood?
Like the recent Elizabeth Smart saga, the kidnapping of 8-year-old Ann Marie was a national fixation back in 1961. Below the radar of suspicion was 14-year-old paper boy Ted Bundy, the kid from the next block.
Ever since Bundy died in Florida’s electric chair, detectives, writers, and armchair sleuths have debated his involvement in the Burr case. Was the proximity of the future monster to the missing angel an eerie coincidence become urban legend? Or a spicy twist to a cold case?
And does the key lurk in Bundy’s childhood, a gothic tale of secrecy, denial, and possible incest…

And Donald Burr is convinced he saw young Ted Bundy in a construction ditch on a nearby street the morning his daughter disappeared. Bob Keppel today insists “the story gets better and better over the years with him and Ann Marie.”

[darlin gal]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

[goofeegyrl]

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

He has been repeating this over and over again, I wish people would listen.

[Groovytown]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

Will someone with expertise - please list some 'gentle' questions to ask our children?

[goofeegyrl]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

Will someone with expertise - please list some 'gentle' questions to ask our children?

Pardon me for jumping in on this one, I am not an expert, but am a parent and abuse survivor myself. Parents can ask children to show on a doll-when you were with MH, did she hug you or touch you? If yes, ask where. You can also ask point blank about certain body parts, including ones that may not be off limits, like shoulder or back or elbow throughout the conversation. Even questions like "Do you like MH? Etc. I hope that parents know their kids developmentally and what sort of language is appropriate to use.

P.S. This type of stuff should be talked about every now and then throughout their life--letting them know what is OK and what is not....even my girls' doc tells them at every physical about this sort of thing.

[txsvicki]

I think if my child ever had any time alone at all with Melissa that I'd be taking it to a child psychologist who has experience with questioning. CPS might even let the parent come in and let their experts question the child if they aren't afraid to get involved. They also ask kids to draw a picture or point to a drawing of a person what went on. I just hope that Melissa's young relatives and daughter have been forced to have physical exams and be talked to by experts.

[gibby207]

Yes, there will be other victims. Although I believe she acted alone in the killing of Sandra (i.e., possibly drug overdose), I believe the molestation and rape were possibly recorded for the sale of it. I know, I know... my theory is not a popular one around here and reason why I'm not on much, but I still stand by it. I'm betting Melissa was raped/molested while she was young and so the cycle goes....

[SeriouslySearching]

Reporter David Begnaud from KOVR stated, "We do know that parents have come forward to police alleging the suspect MH may have been involved in the production of some child pornography. We do know that police are looking at that. We also know that there is a prior case of a child under the age of 10 that was drugged and there was an implication that MH was involved. Police do confirm there is an open case and that has now been blended in with this investigation." (Transcribed by me from my dvr to be exact about what he said)

[concentric]

I have an interesting story about that. My sis lived a street over from Bundy's family and he was her newspaper boy. A little girl who used to follow him around like a puppy dog disappeared and was never found. Curiously my sister's street was paved over in the days after the disappearance and it was always suspected that Bundy killed her then buried her in that street. I believe Bundy would have been around 12-13yrs old at the time.

:eek: This should be looked into.

[Cubby]

He has been repeating this over and over again, I wish people would listen.


I realize this has been repeated numerous times. However I personally can not help but think if LE did not have enough to take the person in it is possible this is being stated while LE gathers enough evidence to bring in additional suspects, if any, and to give additional perps enough confidence they are 'off the hook' they would be comfortable remaining in rather than fleeing the area.

How many times have we heard LE say no no no, and them wham it's a yes!

jmo

[Salem]

Yes, there will be other victims. Although I believe she acted alone in the killing of Sandra (i.e., possibly drug overdose), I believe the molestation and rape were possibly recorded for the sale of it. I know, I know... my theory is not a popular one around here and reason why I'm not on much, but I still stand by it. I'm betting Melissa was raped/molested while she was young and so the cycle goes....

gibby - I think there may be a child porn link also. I have thought so since LE searched the roof of the church. I don't think she was molested as a child though. I'm waiting. In the beginning of this case, it appeared that LE kept going around and around in circles. I think there was a reason for that and I think we will hear about it and maybe soon. Especially if what the reporter is now saying is true - that some parents think there may have been a child porn connection.

Salem

[SeriouslySearching]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act. I think this bears repeating. I also want to add that while there may be other victims they are searching for...they are not searching for other perps. They are asking parents specifically if their children had any contact with MELISSA HUCKABY only and to question them. If any other perps were suspected to be involved, LE would have mentioned it in their request.

[TakeNote]

im thinking child porn as well......

the other child...drugged and then left behind a building....

i think there is a bigger picture....

[Lorma]

At this time,,,,I'm still not convinced she acted alone.

[nittany90]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

Will someone with expertise - please list some 'gentle' questions to ask our children?

If you suspect your child has been the victim of sexual abuse, I recommend you have a seasoned CPS investigator talk with your child. They are trained in how to ask, what to ask, they often use anatomically-correct dolls to aid them in their investigations. In our best efforts as parents, we can't help but ask leading questions, "did she touch you, did she make you feel uncomfortable" where a child abuse investigator knows how to turn those questions around in an effort to avoid a "false positive".

It's never too early to talk to you kids about safe touches and unsafe touches. And that "secrets" are never okay. In my experience, kids have a sixth sense that's stronger than ours -- they are able to detect "hinky" far better than adults, who have learned to shut it off for social reasons (ie, the doctor who just isn't right, that uncle who makes them give kisses, etc). And most of all, please believe them if they disclose abuse to you.

Hope that helps.

[SeriouslySearching]

"We asked the public to alleviate the concerns of our investigators and to put to bed any fears the community had that someone else could be a victim. So we've gone out to the public and asked anyone to come forward and we've not received any phone calls," Sgt. Sheneman said.

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1061/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Police-Concede-Its-a-Statistical-Anomaly-for-a-Woman-to-Act-Alone-in-Sandra-Cantu-Murder/Default.aspx

[SeriouslySearching]

On JVM just now: Reporter Bob Moffitt of KFBK said that the claim of possible child porn was investigated and LE found no evidence.

I think this is important to note.

[txsvicki]

On JVM just now: Reporter Bob Moffitt of KFBK said that the claim of possible child porn was investigated and LE found no evidence.

I think this is important to note.

I wonder if the parents of the child noticed something physical or if the child remembered anything at all. It makes me so mad that they tried to report this and because of finding no evidence nothing came of it. I hope they come forward and talk, leaving out the name and location of the child of course.

[SeriouslySearching]

According to the reporter, it came from a friend of a friend who had a small child and they were worried about a photo being taken or something...but no such photo was ever found. (Or this is as much info as I could glean from that one statement) It sounds like much ado about nothing.

[arielilane]

Another young life taken away much too soon.


Cantu Murder Opens Old Wounds for Sconce Family

On Nov. 8, 2000, 12-year-old Courtney Sconce left her Rancho Cordova home never to return again. The athletic, funny girl was kidnapped as she walked to a store a block away from her Rancho Cordova home. Her body was found several hours later along the banks of the Feather River in Sutter County.

But Sconce said the disappearance and murder of Sandra Cantu has reopened his deeper, more searing wounds. "Things like this bring it all back fresh and result in sleepless nights and hating that another family is suffering like this," he said. "Sandra was very much like Courtney, brown hair, eyes, very pretty and a happy young girl."

During the search for Sandra, Mark and his wife Cindy went down to Tracy to pass out flyers but admits he "had a very pessimistic feeling that she would not come home to way we wanted her to - alive."

http://www.news10.net/news/featured/story.aspx?storyid=57866&catid=49

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.kcra.com/news/1062418/detail.html << Courtney Sconce's killer pleads guilty.

[passionflower]

:eek: This should be looked into.

This was looked in to.....it is in Ann Rules book.......a Stanger beside Me.
BTW my gf ESCAPED from Bundy.........sorry I should put this on another thread...just answering you

[passionflower]

IMO, MH didn't 'just do this for the first time!"
I think MH has been into this for A LONG TIME!
as it got so bad that she escalated to MURDER........
I hope LE s searching her background in other cities!
And I still think 'the church, family etc........is "different'
to say the least.........MOO

[arielilane]

IMO, MH didn't 'just do this for the first time!"
I think MH has been into this for A LONG TIME!
as it got so bad that she escalated to MURDER........
I hope LE s searching her background in other cities!
And I still think 'the church, family etc........is "different'
to say the least.........MOO My exact sentiments, passionflower. I think if they did some digging, they will find out what a monster they have.