New Search Warrants Issued for Huckaby Home and Church 4-14-09

[SuziQ]

New Search Warrants Issued In Cantu Case 4-14-09

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

[SuziQ]

Maybe they'll discuss it at the below link:

Kron live newscast:
http://www.kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

[nursebeeme]

http://www.ksbw.com/news/19181500/detail.html

there is some leak now that Melissa was saying today it was an "accident" (RIGHT!)

[Nora Charles]

New Search Warrants Issued In Cantu Case 4-14-09

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

It sounds like Melissa is talking and (hopefully!) leading them to what they are looking for. I pray this is true, and I hope the evidence is still intact for LE to find. This needs to come to an end as soon as possible so Sandra's family won't have to endure a long, drawn-out process.

[Columbo]

How does she intend to explain away the sexual molestation charges, I wonder?

[floridamom]

How does she intend to explain away the sexual molestation charges, I wonder?

Maybe she won't. Maybe she will admit to the molestation and that's where the "accident" comes in. That she never set out to kill her. Just a thought.

[nursebeeme]

this is just my opinion... but this woman seems to be letting us have a peek at her sociopathy just about now! Explaining away everything to try to make the story fit in a neat little box... just like the profiler said she would do!

And on the other side we have Grandma Connie saying we only have "tracy pd's side" of things (gggrrrooooaaannn... please stop the ride so I can get OFF!)

[floridamom]

It sounds like Melissa is talking and (hopefully!) leading them to what they are looking for. I pray this is true, and I hope the evidence is still intact for LE to find. This needs to come to an end as soon as possible so Sandra's family won't have to endure a long, drawn-out process.

I'm praying for this to be true also! If so, what a difference from Casey Anthony with her hard as steel mindset. This Melissa seems frail and ready to fold.

[nursebeeme]

If the leak is true and this child was murdered in the church... it is, at the LEAST kidnapping if we are to believe her little accident story.

This is a woman who doesn't want to go to jail and pay for what she has done. It is disgusting. (moo of course)

[nursebeeme]

http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html
video

question: where is Melissa's mother???

[nursebeeme]

dang... I cannot remember which video it was I watched... .but they took out yellow legal size envelopes from the church (like papers or something)...

did you see this video?
http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html
I posted it above. It is interesting. Supposedly the MHP search was done again because she admitted to writing the 'note'

[i.b.nora]

My question is, are the mailboxes located at some central location? Or, does each
home have its own mailbox? The zip codes would indicate that each home has its own box.

[i.b.nora]

Also, would the video camera on Sandra's home have "caught" Melissa finding a note near her home?

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah, the note. Well, who didn't know she wrote or made up that note?!

The accident leak is another twist, but not unexpected, imo. It goes along with the arrest and the charges against her. Many people were speculating about a confession and this sounds like a confession to me...except it was no accident and LE knows it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Also, would the video camera on Sandra's home have "caught" Melissa finding a note near her home?Since she wrote it or made it up...no. She never "found" it anywhere.

[i.b.nora]

Personally, I think she is the one who was slashing the tires on the family car/s.

[i.b.nora]

Since she wrote it or made it up...no. She never "found" it anywhere.
I getcha, I'm a little slow sometimes. Still, it would be interesting to see if
she was captured on video at any time going by the house. Specifically,
walking by the house.

[SeriouslySearching]

Especially BEFORE she kidnapped, raped, and murdered Sandra. I would want to see those videos dating back from the time the cam went up until we see Sandra for the last time. :(

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=52073@kovr.dayport.com
here is the video showing the search of the church (detectives coming out with yellow envelopes)

[SeriouslySearching]

What the SWs could have been for today:

1. Foreign Object

2. Surveillance equipment left by FBI before.

3. Writing instruments for the supposed note (paper, pens, pads, pencils, envelopes)

4. Something hidden which she gave up or hinted about during last night's contact with family.

Can you think of more?

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...good video. If you look carefully when she is putting those envelopes in the trunk and they are turned end to end...they are fairly thick unlike you would expect with only papers and unless I am not seeing them right...they appear to be thicker only on one side. Video/audio tapes come to mind.

Go frame by frame and see if you see the same thing I am, Neebee.

[nursebeeme]

SS, yes, I do see what you mean about the envelopes. It is not paper.

Also, do we know if the last preacher house search was before Melissa was arrested? If so that would mean this is the first one they have done since interviewing her... so the home search could have been related to the interview? Like I said, I don't recall the last preacher house search date....

[SeriouslySearching]

I think my problem tonight is I ate too many of my son's jelly beans! LOL... I feel like one of those little happy tree friends!

SS,
Very good point on the search being related to something that came out of the 45 minute family meeting! (obviously taped)

Was the last pastor's home search BEFORE this whole Melissa thing? If so, that means this is the first time they were back in the trailer since arresting her and perhaps looking for paper, pens, journals, etc or any "objects" in her room.I moved this over here to the right thread. ;)

Hmmm...you know...I don't know when they searched the Pastor's home the last time if it was before her arrest or after. When was the last search done on the church? Was that Friday?

[Dr. Know?]

One envelope looks flat (the one in front on the video), one looks a slight bit thicker at the bottom and one definelty was fatter like clothes or something to bulk it up. JMO

[SeriouslySearching]

The last search on the church that I could find was Friday, April 10th. (That is when they were combing the grounds again, took the bed, and were on the roof.)

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=52073@kovr.dayport.com

I haven't found the last time they searched the house yet...but I am looking.

[Nora Charles]

I'm wondering if there are carpet samples, etc. inside which they will use to match fibers found in the suitcase. If she confessed where specifically the crimes occurred that would make sense...they may already have samples of the "carpet" but not samples from the specific "spot" on the carpet. Inside the envelopes could be plastic bags containing the samples, and the envelopes just conceal the contents from being visible. Or maybe curtain fabric samples or samples from something else?

Or perhaps church records with names of children or adults they plan to interview.

Just guessing here, but it does intrigue me. They've been there so many times I feel it has to do with MH talking and not an, "Oops! Forgot something...again."

[SeriouslySearching]

You would think if she gave them any information which would require an additional search they would have done it immediately after they arrested her instead of giving the church over for Easter Sunday services. Makes no sense.

There are so few members to the church, it wouldn't take several envelopes.

Carpet or other samples I would think would have been taken when they took the bed etc. I guess it is always possible tho.

[Dr. Know?]

I need to read the rules of a search warrant. I have alot of reading to do...What can they ask for and not unless there's very good evidence to prove it to the judge? Sometimes I have expected an item or evidence would have been taken but hasn't. Hmmm...better start with a judge...

[SeriouslySearching]

It all goes to probable cause. They can ask for anything in a SW...but they have to have a specific reason to take it in for testing as possible evidence.

[Nora Charles]

You would think if she gave them any information which would require an additional search they would have done it immediately after they arrested her instead of giving the church over for Easter Sunday services. Makes no sense.

There are so few members to the church, it wouldn't take several envelopes.

Carpet or other samples I would think would have been taken when they took the bed etc. I guess it is always possible tho.

I would have assumed so also, and I would have assumed she stopped talking after she was arrested. However, I'm beginning to suspect she is talking again. Hopefully she's telling all in exchange for LWOP. (I'd rather see DP, but this would be easier for Sandra's family.) It's not like Tracy LE to waste any time before getting a search warrant and let the buildings be compromised. They got SWs up to this point at the drop of a hat so I can't come up with a scenario where they would wait a few days (or one where a judge would make them wait a few days). It's just out of character for them, so I'm left with the only sensible reason being they have new information. Another option is maybe someone who attended Sunday noticed something out of place and reported it.

Also, if they took all records for all the years Melissa could have attended, including before living there, I think it would take at least that many envelopes...and I think they are definitely looking at the years prior to her living with her grandparents as well.

[Salem]

this is just my opinion... but this woman seems to be letting us have a peek at her sociopathy just about now! Explaining away everything to try to make the story fit in a neat little box... just like the profiler said she would do!

And on the other side we have Grandma Connie saying we only have "tracy pd's side" of things (gggrrrooooaaannn... please stop the ride so I can get OFF!)

Not to mention that she is also trying to shift the blame now - it is TPD's fault because they didn't follow upo the the "suitcase" "water" note that she supposedly gave them. Yeah..... of course she was just helping LE in anyway she could...... sure, that's the ticket.......

Salem

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't imagine the public defender would allow her to say one word to investigators right now! The PD managed to get her back into the program for medication and a mental eval and would not enter a plea today. This says they are going to set up for a possible Insanity Defense. Letting her speak would be a huge no-no.

I think people are mixing up (or perhaps I am) the leak of her saying it was an accident as coming out today and maybe it came out during the 6 hour interrogation before she was arrested. I didn't see anywhere the statement was made today...only the leak was made today.

[Salem]

I can't imagine the public defender would allow her to say one word to investigators right now! The PD managed to get her back into the program for medication and a mental eval and would not enter a plea today. This says they are going to set up for a possible Insanity Defense. Letting her speak would be a huge no-no.

I think people are mixing up (or perhaps I am) the leak of her saying it was an accident as coming out today and maybe it came out during the 6 hour interrogation before she was arrested. I didn't see anywhere the statement was made today...only the leak was made today.

I'm thinking this "accident" leak came from MH's family. Remember they got to sit down with her Monday night. I'm sure she told them it was an accident.

Salem

eta: the reporter said "sources close to the investigation" he didn't say LE.

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe so, but I am having a hard time believing she told them it was an accident with the way her dad and grandmother talked afterwards.

[butterfly1978]

Since they held service at the church this Sunday, is any evidence they find any good now? I mean could it be contaminated?

[SeriouslySearching]

Since they held service at the church this Sunday, is any evidence they find any good now? I mean could it be contaminated?No or they would not have gone back for it. It must be something they know could not have been tampered with or otherwise compromised during the services held, imo.

[Nora Charles]

I can't imagine the public defender would allow her to say one word to investigators right now! The PD managed to get her back into the program for medication and a mental eval and would not enter a plea today. This says they are going to set up for a possible Insanity Defense. Letting her speak would be a huge no-no.

I think people are mixing up (or perhaps I am) the leak of her saying it was an accident as coming out today and maybe it came out during the 6 hour interrogation before she was arrested. I didn't see anywhere the statement was made today...only the leak was made today.

I haven't heard either way when she was supposed to have talked, just that she did. I'm keeping open to all possibilities, and there could be a plea deal on the table already that involves her giving information they can substantiate through the SW. I'm not saying I'm sold on any of these ideas, just throwing them out. To be honest, I'm along with everyone else on this...no clue whatsoever! :confused:

[scandi]

I wondered if LE was looking for evidence of any other child molestations there?

[6thcents]

I thought that the suitcase that they found Sandra in held scrapbooking supplies.There is no better lure for a little girl than stickers,maybe she lured her to her house and took her to the church thats where the kidnapping comes in.A whole other charge is added on because she moved the body after she was already deceasced.So maybe some of those things were over sized paper or some kind of something from the church.I am kinda glad I get off work in a couple of hours and get to go home reading these posts late at night,gives me to much time to think about what may have happened to that poor little girl I really do hope it was an accident,because it is obvious she has mental issues,that were already being addressed. What set her off ?Have
there been other victims?The truth remains to be seen.She has a low treshold
for authority and confessed early....some in her inner circle will also be named I suspect...JMO

[JDB]

The church was searched before she was arrested. Alos the Pators home was searchedbefore also. I recalled the interview where they said the TPD took computers and phones and other things. And that was a few days before the arrest.

[Kat]

I wonder if they returned to the MH to collect her medications? Just a thought.

[nittany90]

Sorry -- this may be slightly OT, but why was LE searching the roof of the church? Does that seem odd to anyone else? The roof? Did they think Melissa might have thrown some piece of evidence up there? I've wracked my brain, and can't seem to come up with what they were looking for???

About the manila envelopes taken out in last night's search. I slowed down the video, and it seems like at least 2 of the envelopes contained something bulky, almost rectagular, that only took up space in the bottom half of the envelope -- around the same size as a bible or a hymnal. Did anyone else get the same impression? And, wouldn't anything taken out of the church AFTER church services were held on Easter Sunday, have a high probability of contamination??

I think they were looking for something specific. Anyone know if LE conducted any interviews yesterday???

[SuziQ]

Sorry -- this may be slightly OT, but why was LE searching the roof of the church? Does that seem odd to anyone else? The roof? Did they think Melissa might have thrown some piece of evidence up there? I've wracked my brain, and can't seem to come up with what they were looking for???

About the manila envelopes taken out in last night's search. I slowed down the video, and it seems like at least 2 of the envelopes contained something bulky, almost rectagular, that only took up space in the bottom half of the envelope -- around the same size as a bible or a hymnal. Did anyone else get the same impression? And, wouldn't anything taken out of the church AFTER church services were held on Easter Sunday, have a high probability of contamination??

I think they were looking for something specific. Anyone know if LE conducted any interviews yesterday???

Could they have been VHS tapes?

[gliving]

nittany90, bibles and hymnals? Did LE find fingerprints that don't match MH?

[Salem]

Could they have been VHS tapes?

This is what I'm thinking, especially with the roof search. I can't help but wonder how much more there is to this story.

Salem

[nittany90]

Could they have been VHS tapes?

Definitely the right size. Was there a video camera on the roof?

[goofeegyrl]

nittany90, bibles and hymnals? Did LE find fingerprints that don't match MH?

That's possible. In fact, when they made those first searches in the hours after she was identified, by husband suggested that there might have been a bible from the church in the suitcase to lead them to search the church.

[nittany90]

nittany90, bibles and hymnals? Did LE find fingerprints that don't match MH?

Not to my knowledge, no. I wasn't thinking fingerprints. I was allowing myself to ponder all the possibilities (dangerous territory, I know). What from church would fit the outline of the bulkiness I noticed in the manila envelopes? Then that led me to think there may be forensic evidence (Sandra's blood, bodily fluids, DNA) on whatever it was they took from the church.

But, I have been known to be way off base in my conjecture, too. :rolleyes:

[tiredofthis]

Not to mention that she is also trying to shift the blame now - it is TPD's fault because they didn't follow upo the the "suitcase" "water" note that she supposedly gave them. Yeah..... of course she was just helping LE in anyway she could...... sure, that's the ticket.......

Salem

I hate it when people can't accept responsibility for their own actions.

[SarahW]

Personally, I think she is the one who was slashing the tires on the family car/s.

You think the killing was revenge for cat-trapping? I think it's possible.

[gliving]

You think the killing was revenge for cat-trapping? I think it's possible.


Her little daughter has allergies. I don't think they could have a cat? Still it could have upset her.

[SeriouslySearching]

Cat-trapping?

[bp531]

Personally, I think she is the one who was slashing the tires on the family car/s.

I guess you could slash tires with an X-Acto knife, if you didnt eat all the blades for it.

[Columbo]

Cat-trapping?

I had also heard that he was trapping cats--of course, this is just hearsay as far as I know, I didn't see or hear any reports of it from LE or the media...

..It seems as if you are wondering what this cat-trapping is all about, Seriously Searching? People who are annoyed by roaming cats using their yards for litter boxes (not the cats' fault, IMO) or whatever--often resort to getting humane traps from the pound, capturing and then taking the cats to the pound.

[gliving]

You think the killing was revenge for cat-trapping? I think it's possible.

I had also heard that he was trapping cats--of course, this is just hearsay as far as I know, I didn't see or hear any reports of it from LE or the media...

..It seems as if you are wondering what this cat-trapping is all about, Seriously Searching? People who are annoyed by roaming cats using their yards for litter boxes (not the cats' fault, IMO) or whatever--often resort to getting humane traps from the pound, capturing and then taking the cats to the pound.

Tracypress: Sandra’s grandfather, Joe Chavez, had put up a surveillance camera after tires were slashed in what he suspected were run-ins with a neighbor over cats he trapped. Police have spent a lot of time focusing on Chavez’s neighbors as well, but now they’re looking for a murder suspect.

[Fairfaux08]

And on the other side we have Grandma Connie saying we only have "tracy pd's side" of things (gggrrrooooaaannn... please stop the ride so I can get OFF!) To me, there is such a thing as displaying support and family loyalty when a case is ongoing. But I hope that she doesn't buy blinders and take lessons from CA!:bang:

[Nonni Brenda]

http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html
video

question: where is Melissa's mother???

Melissa's mother could be the key to what was happening to Melissa at age 7-8!!!!:eek:

[JoeFromLB]

Melissa's mother could be the key to what was happening to Melissa at age 7-8!!!!:eek:

I understand there is also a stepmother. Is that right?

http://www.google.com/search?q=melissa+huckaby+stepmother&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[Salem]

I understand there is also a stepmother. Is that right?

http://www.google.com/search?q=melissa+huckaby+stepmother&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Step-mom for Melissa's little girl. Not for Melissa, I don't think?

Salem

[JoeFromLB]

Step-mom for Melissa's little girl. Not for Melissa, I don't think?

Salem

I am really confused about one thing: Is Judy Lawless (wife of Brian Lawless, Melissa's father), Melissa's mother or her stepmother?
There are lots of references on the Web that have little M staying with Melissa's "father and step-mom".

[txsvicki]

Her little daughter has allergies. I don't think they could have a cat? Still it could have upset her.

I could be wrong, but understood that Melissa was the one with severe allergies. Her daugter was said to be super thin and often ill.

[gliving]

I could be wrong, but understood that Melissa was the one with severe allergies. Her daugter was said to be super thin and often ill.

txvicki, you are so right!

"Huckaby lives with her grandparents because she suffers from severe allergies and wanted relatives' help to be able to have more time "to take better care of her daughter, who is super-thin and gets sick a lot," Browning said. She was named "class mother" of her daughter's preschool, friends said."

Hmm, "class mother"! I bet the parents of her classmates are choking on this development.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think we have gone a bit off topic here. What did LE take during their last search warrant? I guess it was answered if their sources are correct.:

Officers served two search warrants Tuesday -- one at the church and another at Huckaby's home in the nearby Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

Police did not say what they were looking for, but KCRA 3 confirmed through sources close to the investigation that officers were looking for evidence related to a note Huckaby said she found at her mailbox the day after Cantu disappeared. A source said the note contained the words "Cantu," "water" and "suitcase."

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html# (Bolded by me)

I still say it didn't look like note materials to me! (I would have to go with vhs tapes or audio tapes instead.)

[nursebeeme]

I wonder if they returned to the MH to collect her medications? Just a thought. or maybe ALL the medications in the home?

[nursebeeme]

Could they have been VHS tapes? certainly could have been. Also... if we look at where Melissa was in that week leading up to the arrest (the hospital) and than she gets out and starts flapping her lips to reporters (obviously thinking she is not the center of any sort of focus) there might have been a lot of evidence lying around that she did not feel the need to "hide"...:waitasec:

[nursebeeme]

I understand there is also a stepmother. Is that right?

http://www.google.com/search?q=melissa+huckaby+stepmother&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
I don't think so. If you look in the astro thread the marriage data for Judy and Brian is there including her maiden name and the date they were married. Unless they have recently gotten divorced...but I do not think that is the case as he talked about his wife in the raw interview.:waitasec:

[goofeegyrl]

I am really confused about one thing: Is Judy Lawless (wife of Brian Lawless, Melissa's father), Melissa's mother or her stepmother?
There are lots of references on the Web that have little M staying with Melissa's "father and step-mom".

I think that might be referring to Melissa's child staying with the child's father and step mom

[RhythmicSun]

Earlier today I saw an Animal Planet segment called "Silent Witness" or something. Criminals may want to consider whether they should have a pet. David Westerfield (Danielle Van Dam's murderer) was caught partially due to the Van Dams' dog's hairs in Westerfield's home and RV and on the blankets he took to the cleaners.

Perhaps the Tracy PD was looking for something similar (cat hair, dog hair, etc.) at the Lawless home and I'm interested to know whether this is true.

[nursebeeme]

VERY INTERESTING Rythmicsun!

[RhythmicSun]

You might be able to catch it on Animal Planet, nurse. I just saw it 2-3 hours ago. Animal Planet never fails to come through when I get tired of cable talking heads!! I'll check the actual title and come back to update.

Edit: I think it's called "Animal Witness" and the title might be "Take Me Home Layla".

[ilovemew]

I think that might be referring to Melissa's child staying with the child's father and step mom

Yes Melissa's child Ma***** is staying with Ma*****'s daddy and her step-mommy.

[JoeFromLB]

This story shows how it important to be very careful and not let ourselves get carried away in anger over what happened to sweet, beautiful little Sandra Cantu. A second, innocent woman named Melissa Huckaby lives in Tracy, CA. She's also 28 years old, a single mother of a 5 year old and is a Sunday school teacher. Apparently she's been getting death threats and her whole family is traumatised:

California Sunday School Teacher Mistaken for Accused Child Killer
Thursday, April 16, 2009
Associated Press (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516628,00.html)

Please pardon me if you have come across this message posted on other threads. I don't blame you if you're getting as sick of seeing it as I am of posting it, but it's so important to get the word out even to future visitors or casual visitors who may read only this thread.

Already posted as a separate thread!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82956

Please stop spamming the board. It's very distracting.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to agree. We got the message. There is another Melissa Huckaby. Repetition is not neccessary on every thread and to continue posting on those threads.

[warbuckle]

The last search on the church that I could find was Friday, April 10th. (That is when they were combing the grounds again, took the bed, and were on the roof.)

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=52073@kovr.dayport.com

I haven't found the last time they searched the house yet...but I am looking.

Why would you have a bed at a church? My church doesn't have a bed, but maybe I am missing a reasonable explanation?

[SeriouslySearching]

No clue! LE said that Melissa was spending an extraordinary amount of time at the church. It makes me wonder if she was staying there off and on which could account for the rollaway being at the church.