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closeobserver
04-16-2009, 02:02 PM
A woman with ties to mob guy Anthony Rock, who Peterson has ties to (I know...confusing) stated she heard Stacy was run through a funeral home and cremated.

Quote from article:
"Like she's not at the bottom of a lake," Katro said. "I heard they ran her through a funeral home and cremated her, her ashes."

Drew always did say she isn't under a bush, and that she is where she wants to be. I wonder if Stacy ever said she wanted to be cremated when she dies because Drew always stated that she is "where she wants to be".

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1528373,Peterson-woman-says-was-questioned_jo041509.article

lovelabs
04-16-2009, 02:09 PM
Thats very interesting. I just wish the investigators would find something concrete to nail the bastard to the wall. It seems obvious to me that he is guilty of the death/disappearance of Stacy and his 3rd wife. IIRC, Stacy's mom disappeared right around the time he started dating Stacy, I wonder if he had anything to do with that disappearance.
His day will come I'm sure.

Mendara
04-16-2009, 04:02 PM
I think he destroyed her body along with the evidence. I don't know how, but he made sure she would never be found. This man is disgusting and I wouldn't put it pass him to have done what this person claims.

TallCoolOne
04-16-2009, 04:28 PM
Man, this is just the kind of thing I hate hearing. That pondscumsucker belongs behind bars, and it just can't happen soon enough. I hope with all my might that this isn't the case. She needs to be found and he needs to rot in he!!.

IMO of course........

ilovemew
04-16-2009, 08:36 PM
Hopefully they can use this and find someone from the funeral home. to turn on him. I think the good news in this is that he had to have help. We know he won't squeal but maybe now someone else will.

smart blonde
04-17-2009, 01:31 AM
In my opinion... Drew Peterson is an arrogant, murderous bast*rd, and he makes me sick to my stomach.

I so very much hope this 'lead' isn't true, because I would love for her/ her remains to be found so that she could at least have a proper, dignified burial, but I wouldn't put anything past him.

It would explain his seeming total confidence that she will never be found, and his lack of concern that authorities will ever be able to 'pin' her 'disappearance' on him.

In my opinion, he is guilty of his third wife's murder, Stacy's 'disappearance' and probable murder, and also the disappearance of Stacy's mother. He is also a pedophile, for getting involved with Stacey while she was underage.

Drew Peterson is a monster... in my opinion only, of course.

thesleuther
04-18-2009, 02:31 AM
I guess the good news here is that they are still investigating. The bad news is that they apparently don't have enough to make a case beyond a reasonable doubt.

I don't put much credence in this person; I doubt that Stacy was "run through" a funeral home and cremated......the funeral director would have to be involved and that would be pretty messy. I don't see an accomplice beyond the half brother who claims he helped move the blue barrel.

Back in the Laci Peterson missing days, there were all kinds of stories, but the simplest explanation was the fishing trip. I still think it's simple - there's such a short window of time between her actual disappearance and the reporting of that by Cassandra. Look at Drew's career and the crimes he investigated; I believe he used one or more for a blueprint.

Debbie3223
04-18-2009, 04:30 PM
wheres the taliban when ya need them...

Tonia
04-20-2009, 08:19 PM
IF it were true,it sure would answer many questions.

Leila
04-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Having Stacy's remains cremated would explain a lot of things in this case, including DP's obvious "in your face" displays of confidence that he won't be charged or convicted.

But, it doesn't seem to fit the circumstances. I don't think DP planned on killing Stacy that day. It's a lot riskier to kill someone on a weekend when all the neighbors are likely home and the children are not at school. I think he planned on killing Stacy, but at another time and place. I think killing Stacy on that Sunday morning was done in a moment of rage and unplanned. He was left to improvise how he was going to get the body out of the house without the children seeing him doing it, and none of the neighbors witnessing anything.

Drew's whereabouts are unaccounted for from about 1:30pm on that Sunday, until about 7:00pm. We do know that sometime during the afternoon Drew went to the airport where he keeps his ultralight airplane to put new stickers on. That's something that's bothered a lot of us, as it must somehow be related to Stacy's death and disposal..........after all, you don't murder someone and leave their body in the master bedroom, and decide that the most important thing you've got to do today is put the new stickers on your airplane. :rolleyes:

Did Drew rent a storage facility out near the airport where he keeps his airplane? A possible scenario........after TM refuses to put a storage facility in his name, Drew may have enlisted someone else to rent a storage facility and put it in their name.......someone who owes Drew. I can think of a least a few people involved in this case that might do that.

I can definitely see the possibility that those few days Drew took to "clear his head" were used to dispose of Stacy. I wish the authorities had followed him.

But, having a funeral home cremate Stacy's remains seems like it would be difficult to carry out without others knowing, and the more people that know, the more likely that someone would eventually talk.

closeobserver
04-21-2009, 04:24 PM
Having Stacy's remains cremated would explain a lot of things in this case, including DP's obvious "in your face" displays of confidence that he won't be charged or convicted.

But, it doesn't seem to fit the circumstances. I don't think DP planned on killing Stacy that day. It's a lot riskier to kill someone on a weekend when all the neighbors are likely home and the children are not at school. I think he planned on killing Stacy, but at another time and place. I think killing Stacy on that Sunday morning was done in a moment of rage and unplanned. He was left to improvise how he was going to get the body out of the house without the children seeing him doing it, and none of the neighbors witnessing anything.

Drew's whereabouts are unaccounted for from about 1:30pm on that Sunday, until about 7:00pm. We do know that sometime during the afternoon Drew went to the airport where he keeps his ultralight airplane to put new stickers on. That's something that's bothered a lot of us, as it must somehow be related to Stacy's death and disposal..........after all, you don't murder someone and leave their body in the master bedroom, and decide that the most important thing you've got to do today is put the new stickers on your airplane. :rolleyes:

Did Drew rent a storage facility out near the airport where he keeps his airplane? A possible scenario........after TM refuses to put a storage facility in his name, Drew may have enlisted someone else to rent a storage facility and put it in their name.......someone who owes Drew. I can think of a least a few people involved in this case that might do that.

I can definitely see the possibility that those few days Drew took to "clear his head" were used to dispose of Stacy. I wish the authorities had followed him.

But, having a funeral home cremate Stacy's remains seems like it would be difficult to carry out without others knowing, and the more people that know, the more likely that someone would eventually talk.

Very good points.

But I keep going back to:
1. I think that even though he didn't plan to kill her that day, he had thought of the many scenarios possible well in advance. So even though it was done in a moment of passion (or imo, out of fear that Stacy was going to report him for the murder of Kathleen), he was well prepared.
2. Drew had a lot of dirty friends with secrets bad enough for blackmail. Perhaps what he has on people are worse crimes than being an accompliss in disposing of a body. Keep in mind that somehow he got to somebody after Kathleen's murder to get that written off as an accident. Somebody put their neck on the line to do that because it all appears to be pretty obviously a murder now that the facts have been made public.
3. I also believe that the ultralight and the 3 day "head clearing" trip were used in the disposal of the body....somehow. There is no other logical explanation for those events.

passionflower
05-11-2009, 11:24 PM
***bump*****
After hearing that DP wanted so badly for Kathleen to be cremated, Makes me wonder more.
Now that he is in jail someone will squeel on him?
Could he have done a cremation himself?
I still also am worried about the storage unit, body in barrel of chemicals then
before everything hit the news, bury bones? cremate them? easier than a body?
Did someone owe him a favor?
DP knew the 'bad guys'...........LE needs to look into who he didn't arrest at a time he
should of?

scandi
05-12-2009, 02:30 AM
I guess the good news here is that they are still investigating. The bad news is that they apparently don't have enough to make a case beyond a reasonable doubt.

I don't put much credence in this person; I doubt that Stacy was "run through" a funeral home and cremated......the funeral director would have to be involved and that would be pretty messy. I don't see an accomplice beyond the half brother who claims he helped move the blue barrel.

Back in the Laci Peterson missing days, there were all kinds of stories, but the simplest explanation was the fishing trip. I still think it's simple - there's such a short window of time between her actual disappearance and the reporting of that by Cassandra. Look at Drew's career and the crimes he investigated; I believe he used one or more for a blueprint.

The brother was dropped off and didn't help unload the barrel, right? I agree tho that would be a tricky one to cover up as he would have to have help. Otherwise he would have to have the keys, know where the furnace was, how to operate it, load the body into it himself, clean up afterwards ~ all of which seems highly unlikely to me. Someone would have seen or noticed something IMO

impatientredhead
05-12-2009, 06:06 AM
The brother was dropped off and didn't help unload the barrel, right? I agree tho that would be a tricky one to cover up as he would have to have help. Otherwise he would have to have the keys, know where the furnace was, how to operate it, load the body into it himself, clean up afterwards ~ all of which seems highly unlikely to me. Someone would have seen or noticed something IMO

A professional cremation is very unlikely, I agree. For the sake of arguement though it seems to me as long as the body arrived with the proper paperwork there would be no reason that anyone at the funeral home would know that they cremated Stacy and not person ___________________________________.

Still don't think that is what happened, but I guess it would be possible.

kikid
05-12-2009, 12:18 PM
personally, I always wondered if Stacy's ashes were mixed in with her sisters. Remember when there was the big fight over the sisters ashes after stacy went missing? That's what i figured DP meant by she is where she wants to be, with her sister.

merlin
05-12-2009, 02:15 PM
This last post about mixing the ashes is very interesting. Why was there a fight over the sister's ashes... However, to mix the ashes you would need a huge urn. Think how big an urn is for a pet, then think two humans. What if he dumped the sister's ashes and replaced them with Stacy's? It doesn't make sense. It would be safer to dispose of the ashes, if there were any, rather than keep them. I don't know. The whole thing is sick.

TGIRecovered
05-12-2009, 03:29 PM
This last post about mixing the ashes is very interesting. Why was there a fight over the sister's ashes... However, to mix the ashes you would need a huge urn. Think how big an urn is for a pet, then think two humans. What if he dumped the sister's ashes and replaced them with Stacy's? It doesn't make sense. It would be safer to dispose of the ashes, if there were any, rather than keep them. I don't know. The whole thing is sick.

That sounds more likely to me than mixing. DrewP wouldn't care about the sister's ashes and he would get a kick out of tossing them, since it was something Stacy and Cassandra really cared about! Keeping Stacy's ashes around would be just the thing that would thrill a psychopath, uh- I mean DrewP!

scandi
05-12-2009, 03:53 PM
A professional cremation is very unlikely, I agree. For the sake of arguement though it seems to me as long as the body arrived with the proper paperwork there would be no reason that anyone at the funeral home would know that they cremated Stacy and not person ___________________________________.

Still don't think that is what happened, but I guess it would be possible.

I think to be possible there would have to be a dead body to go along with the paperwork and then change out the bodies, having Stacy's end up at the crematorium.

It would have to be a female, and where would Drew get such a body from a person whose paperwork would show a female of similar age? And then he would have to dispose of that other body, right? I would think he could find a homeless lady off the street and kill her as it would have to be timely with Stacy's death. But then he'd have to have an inside track to the mortuary or ME's office to change out the bodies and remove the extra body.

This has to be the craziest post I have ever written at WS :eek:

smart blonde
05-12-2009, 04:32 PM
I think the cremation theory is entirely plausible...

* It would explain why Drew only needed the brother-in-law's assistance in loading the blue barrel onto the truck, not off- someone met him at the funeral home and helped him unload the barrel.

*I remember reading that one of Drew's former friends claimed that Drew remarked that the biggest mistake he made with third wife Kathleen was not having her body cremated, or something to that effect. Makes me believe he had 'cremation as a means of evidence disposal' at the forefront of his sneaky little brain.

*It's been thought by many people that Drew had a lot of shady business dealings, and it is possible someone owed him some big favors.
**Another thought is that he also tossed some big money this person's way. Some people will do just about anything for the right amount of money.
***Once the 'deed' was done, the person who helped arrange/assist/or just looked the other way, would never be able to admit to anything without incriminating themselves in the process.

As I stated in a post above, this would also explain his cockiness that Stacy's body will never be found, so he believes he will never be held accountable for either her disappearance or murder.

In his mind, he committed the 'perfect' crime. Every murderous sociopath's grandest goal. What a huge achievement for his huge ego!

The above is my speculative opinion only, of course!

closeobserver
05-12-2009, 08:06 PM
I think the cremation theory is entirely plausible...

* It would explain why Drew only needed the brother-in-law's assistance in loading the blue barrel onto the truck, not off- someone met him at the funeral home and helped him unload the barrel.

*I remember reading that one of Drew's former friends claimed that Drew remarked that the biggest mistake he made with third wife Kathleen was not having her body cremated, or something to that effect. Makes me believe he had 'cremation as a means of evidence disposal' at the forefront of his sneaky little brain.

*It's been thought by many people that Drew had a lot of shady business dealings, and it is possible someone owed him some big favors.
**Another thought is that he also tossed some big money this person's way. Some people will do just about anything for the right amount of money.
***Once the 'deed' was done, the person who helped arrange/assist/or just looked the other way would never be able to admit to anything without incriminating themselves in the process.

As I stated in a post above, this would also explain his seeming cockiness that Stacy's body will never be found, so he believes he will never be held accountable for either her disappearance or murder.

In his mind, he committed the 'perfect' crime. Every murderous sociopath's grandest goal. What a huge achievement for his huge ego!

The above is my speculative opinion only, of course!
If Stacy had ever said she wanted to be cremated when she died, that would explain Drew's comments about "She's where she wants to be."

Peculiar Petunia
05-12-2009, 08:18 PM
I think the cremation theory is entirely plausible...

* It would explain why Drew only needed the brother-in-law's assistance in loading the blue barrel onto the truck, not off- someone met him at the funeral home and helped him unload the barrel.

*I remember reading that one of Drew's former friends claimed that Drew remarked that the biggest mistake he made with third wife Kathleen was not having her body cremated, or something to that effect. Makes me believe he had 'cremation as a means of evidence disposal' at the forefront of his sneaky little brain.

*It's been thought by many people that Drew had a lot of shady business dealings, and it is possible someone owed him some big favors.
**Another thought is that he also tossed some big money this person's way. Some people will do just about anything for the right amount of money.
***Once the 'deed' was done, the person who helped arrange/assist/or just looked the other way would never be able to admit to anything without incriminating themselves in the process.

As I stated in a post above, this would also explain his seeming cockiness that Stacy's body will never be found, so he believes he will never be held accountable for either her disappearance or murder.

In his mind, he committed the 'perfect' crime. Every murderous sociopath's grandest goal. What a huge achievement for his huge ego!

The above is my speculative opinion only, of course!

Years ago, I would have said, "No way," but after that case in KY, IIRC, where the owners just threw the bodies out in a back field, I'm not so sure.

delaney
05-12-2009, 08:49 PM
i don't think cremating stacy's body is very likley.

you would have to have a mortician involved, just
waiting for drew to pull up with the body. no other
staff around.

people talk. not everyone has no conscience like drew.

panthera
05-12-2009, 09:31 PM
***bump*****
After hearing that DP wanted so badly for Kathleen to be cremated, Makes me wonder more.
Now that he is in jail someone will squeel on him?
Could he have done a cremation himself?
I still also am worried about the storage unit, body in barrel of chemicals then
before everything hit the news, bury bones? cremate them? easier than a body?
Did someone owe him a favor?
DP knew the 'bad guys'...........LE needs to look into who he didn't arrest at a time he
should of?
Please don't laugh at me, but last night on CSI:Miami, in the storyline there was a guy who was pushed into a swimming pool where an alkaline had been injected through the filtration system and he literally boiled and dissolved. Two more bodies (well, what was left of them) were found in a tannery, in solution-filled barrels. So, I don't think this theory is beyond the realm of possibilities. And it would give DP the reassurance that Stacy's remains wouldn't be found. MOO

scandi
05-12-2009, 10:23 PM
I think the cremation theory is entirely plausible...

* It would explain why Drew only needed the brother-in-law's assistance in loading the blue barrel onto the truck, not off- someone met him at the funeral home and helped him unload the barrel.

*I remember reading that one of Drew's former friends claimed that Drew remarked that the biggest mistake he made with third wife Kathleen was not having her body cremated, or something to that effect. Makes me believe he had 'cremation as a means of evidence disposal' at the forefront of his sneaky little brain.

*It's been thought by many people that Drew had a lot of shady business dealings, and it is possible someone owed him some big favors.
**Another thought is that he also tossed some big money this person's way. Some people will do just about anything for the right amount of money.
***Once the 'deed' was done, the person who helped arrange/assist/or just looked the other way would never be able to admit to anything without incriminating themselves in the process.

As I stated in a post above, this would also explain his seeming cockiness that Stacy's body will never be found, so he believes he will never be held accountable for either her disappearance or murder.

In his mind, he committed the 'perfect' crime. Every murderous sociopath's grandest goal. What a huge achievement for his huge ego!

The above is my speculative opinion only, of course!



I appreciate your thoughts Smart Blonde, but just can't visualize anyone, even a cop, driving up to the funeral home door and asking if the guy could unload a blue barrel from his truck that contained a dead person.

Anyone dead in a barrel would be considered very suspicious and therefore end up on a table at the morgue, right, for autopsy? They would learn the true ID of the person, and since it is surmised it was Stacy put in that barrel, it wouldn't work. IMO

scandi
05-12-2009, 10:29 PM
Please don't laugh at me, but last night on CSI:Miami, in the storyline there was a guy who was pushed into a swimming pool where an alkaline had been injected through the filtration system and he literally boiled and dissolved. Two more bodies (well, what was left of them) were found in a tannery, in solution-filled barrels. So, I don't think this theory is beyond the realm of possibilities. And it would give DP the reassurance that Stacy's remains wouldn't be found. MOO

Yo, Panthera, ITA with you about CSI Miami and think I have learned a great deal about procedure and forensics from the show.

Do we know the date the barrel was moved from P's house? Was any odor present? I know the BIL said the barrel was warm to the touch.

You must be thinking the barrel was moved very soon after death, he dropped the BIL off and took the barrel somewhere where he added lye or something else to disolve the body {he would know of vacant bldgs that were safe to leave it}, and then discarded the barrel at a later date when it would have been much lighter. What a gruesome thought!

thesleuther
05-13-2009, 12:06 AM
I think this is just impossible.

First, Drew was a police officer. He, of all people, knows that accomplices talk. Yes, he used Tom Morphey to help him move the blue barrell, but the only reason is that he had to get it out of there pronto and he couldn't do it himself. He desperately needed help.

Drew has known for a long time that the marriage was shaky. He couldn't let Stacy go because of what she knew and because of the financial obligations. He was nearing retirement and didn't want to share custody of the children nor did he want to lose part of his assets.

I've said it before and I'll say one more time that I believe he had a spot prepared for a burial. Think of how difficult it is to find a body in a woods somewhere. I don't think Drew really wanted to kill her, but in his mind he had no choice. With a burial spot already prepared, all he had to do was get the barrel close to the edge of the Denali and let gravity take over. Covering a grave is easy compared to digging it. He would have had ample time to accomplish it. His police work educated and prepared him for the task. It is far more difficult to prosecute without a body and he knows it. I am convinced that he took the Denali because of where he had to go.

I simply don't see taking the time or the risk of a cremation involving another person.

Leila
05-13-2009, 02:01 AM
I think this is just impossible.

First, Drew was a police officer. He, of all people, knows that accomplices talk. Yes, he used Tom Morphey to help him move the blue barrell, but the only reason is that he had to get it out of there pronto and he couldn't do it himself. He desperately needed help.

Drew has known for a long time that the marriage was shaky. He couldn't let Stacy go because of what she knew and because of the financial obligations. He was nearing retirement and didn't want to share custody of the children nor did he want to lose part of his assets.

I've said it before and I'll say one more time that I believe he had a spot prepared for a burial. Think of how difficult it is to find a body in a woods somewhere. I don't think Drew really wanted to kill her, but in his mind he had no choice. With a burial spot already prepared, all he had to do was get the barrel close to the edge of the Denali and let gravity take over. Covering a grave is easy compared to digging it. He would have had ample time to accomplish it. His police work educated and prepared him for the task. It is far more difficult to prosecute without a body and he knows it. I am convinced that he took the Denali because of where he had to go.

I simply don't see taking the time or the risk of a cremation involving another person.

This scenario makes a lot of sense. I've always felt that DP knew he couldn't let Stacy leave him with the knowledge she had in regards to Kathleen. He planned on doing away with Stacy, but didn't plan on doing it on a weekend with the older boys and neighbors home. I think he would have done it on a weekday and away from home - no witnesses.

I think DP killed Stacy in a rage on Sunday, Oct. 28th, and he was then caught in the worst possible circumstances, with the the children in the house and neighbors home. He had to get the body out of the house before the children found the body or before Stacy's family became suspicious.

Cass said she started calling Stacy in the early afternoon and got no response. She became increasingly alarmed. She went to the Peterson home about 11:00pm, saw that both the Denali and Stacy's car weren't there. One of the boys answered the door, saying that his dad wasn't home - that his mom and dad had an argument and Stacy left and his dad was out looking for her.

Later, Cass called Drew's cell phone and when he answered it he was out of breath and Cass heard the sound of car keys. She asked where he was and he said he was at home.......but Cass was sitting in her car near the Peterson house and could see that DP's car wasn't in the driveway.

In the wee hours of the morning, Cass and her boyfriend, Bruce, saw that both the Denali and Stacy's car were in the driveway of the Peterson home, and Bruce called Drew, who told him that Stacy had left him and she called and told him her car was at the airport and he had gone and brought it home.

It was at that point that Cass went to the police to report Stacy missing.

When Cass first called Drew, when he was out of breath and she heard the sound of car keys............he could have been out disposing of Stacy's body in the woods.

whatgivesq
05-28-2009, 12:30 PM
Thats very interesting. I just wish the investigators would find something concrete to nail the bastard to the wall. It seems obvious to me that he is guilty of the death/disappearance of Stacy and his 3rd wife. IIRC, Stacy's mom disappeared right around the time he started dating Stacy, I wonder if he had anything to do with that disappearance.
His day will come I'm sure.


I have been wondering about the circumstances of Stacy's mother being missing too..... anyone have any insight?

mysteriew
05-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Is it possible that Stacy was cremated? I think it is entirely possible.

DrewP would have had to know a funeral director who would cooperate. I don't believe that there is any way for DrewP to have had a clandestine cremation without the cooperation of the crematory director. But yes, I think he could have blackmailed or paid to get the cooperation. There has been questions all along about DrewP's associates and his ties to people with questionable backgrounds. So either he knew a susceptible director or they did. And let's face it. DrewP lives near the area that used to be acknowleged leader on getting rid of dead bodies. Yes, they may have changed, but the knowlege and even some of the people who used to do this and didn't get caught may still be around.

The funeral director would have had to have another cremation scheduled at the same time. To run the crematory clandestinely would be impossible. But it wouldn't be much of a problem to throw another body in on another cremation.

The ashes. The ashes would have no attachment for DrewP. To him, it is done and over. He would have left the ashes for the director to dispose of. All DrewP would have wanted out of them would have been distance from them. So they either went down a drain, in the garbage or they are mixed in with the ashes of another cremated person. And who would question a crematory who had some "ash dust" to get rid of? So my quess is that they went into the garbage.

TM, I have thought all along that TM was a diversion. He was set up to throw LE into a track leading away from what really happened. As a police officer, DrewP knows that it doesn't matter what authorities think he did. What matters is what they can prove he did. So if LE is running around looking for containers and barrels, maybe they won't be looking at crematories.

The three days. Maybe the director needed a couple of days to get to a scheduled cremation. Maybe DrewP needed the time to get to the people he needed to get to to make arrangements and payments or whatever. Or maybe DrewP just needed the time to calm himself down and get his 'game face' on before he faced the media. After all he was answering LE questions at that time. Maybe he wanted to hide his face, to keep from being recognized as he took care of some last minute business. And maybe he just thought he could avoid the media and they would lose interest and go away. But remember he was still a police officer at that point and all the publicity was bound to cause difficulty on the job. When media published pictures of him and Stacy, when his face was already out there then DrewP did start showing his face.

KenoshaKid
05-28-2009, 01:29 PM
***bump*****
After hearing that DP wanted so badly for Kathleen to be cremated, Makes me wonder more.
Now that he is in jail someone will squeel on him?
Could he have done a cremation himself?
I still also am worried about the storage unit, body in barrel of chemicals then
before everything hit the news, bury bones? cremate them? easier than a body?
Did someone owe him a favor?
DP knew the 'bad guys'...........LE needs to look into who he didn't arrest at a time he
should of?

(Bold mine)
If you mean burn the body outside of a crematorium, no. Burning a body requires very high heat, after which many of the bones are still intact and are then run through a grinder. I'd be more inclined to think that he dissolved her with acid or lye.

mysteriew
05-28-2009, 01:31 PM
I have been wondering about the circumstances of Stacy's mother being missing too..... anyone have any insight?

Some people have wondered if DrewP could have arranged her disappearance for some reason. Either his own reasons or to alow himself to get closer to Stacy.

IMO her missing mother was a coincidence. Maybe something that DrewP exploited, like promising to do more investigation or offering "sympathy and understanding" to help him get closer to her. But IMO that happened before DrewP was in the picture. If he had had something to do with her disappearance, he isn't the sentimental type that would look up her kids to see how they were doing.

kikid
05-29-2009, 03:18 PM
Is it possible that Stacy was cremated? I think it is entirely possible.

DrewP would have had to know a funeral director who would cooperate. I don't believe that there is any way for DrewP to have had a clandestine cremation without the cooperation of the crematory director. But yes, I think he could have blackmailed or paid to get the cooperation. There has been questions all along about DrewP's associates and his ties to people with questionable backgrounds. So either he knew a susceptible director or they did. And let's face it. DrewP lives near the area that used to be acknowleged leader on getting rid of dead bodies. Yes, they may have changed, but the knowlege and even some of the people who used to do this and didn't get caught may still be around.

The funeral director would have had to have another cremation scheduled at the same time. To run the crematory clandestinely would be impossible. But it wouldn't be much of a problem to throw another body in on another cremation.

The ashes. The ashes would have no attachment for DrewP. To him, it is done and over. He would have left the ashes for the director to dispose of. All DrewP would have wanted out of them would have been distance from them. So they either went down a drain, in the garbage or they are mixed in with the ashes of another cremated person. And who would question a crematory who had some "ash dust" to get rid of? So my quess is that they went into the garbage.

TM, I have thought all along that TM was a diversion. He was set up to throw LE into a track leading away from what really happened. As a police officer, DrewP knows that it doesn't matter what authorities think he did. What matters is what they can prove he did. So if LE is running around looking for containers and barrels, maybe they won't be looking at crematories.

The three days. Maybe the director needed a couple of days to get to a scheduled cremation. Maybe DrewP needed the time to get to the people he needed to get to to make arrangements and payments or whatever. Or maybe DrewP just needed the time to calm himself down and get his 'game face' on before he faced the media. After all he was answering LE questions at that time. Maybe he wanted to hide his face, to keep from being recognized as he took care of some last minute business. And maybe he just thought he could avoid the media and they would lose interest and go away. But remember he was still a police officer at that point and all the publicity was bound to cause difficulty on the job. When media published pictures of him and Stacy, when his face was already out there then DrewP did start showing his face.

lets not forget about pet crematory's, I'm not sure what the legalities are with those for scheduled or non scheduled cremations. Such places are equiped to cremate large dogs so I think a small person would fit without a problem. just my thoughts -

kikid
05-29-2009, 03:20 PM
Some people have wondered if DrewP could have arranged her disappearance for some reason. Either his own reasons or to alow himself to get closer to Stacy.

IMO her missing mother was a coincidence. Maybe something that DrewP exploited, like promising to do more investigation or offering "sympathy and understanding" to help him get closer to her. But IMO that happened before DrewP was in the picture. If he had had something to do with her disappearance, he isn't the sentimental type that would look up her kids to see how they were doing.

my memory is so fuzzy as I haven't read much about the case for the last year, but I thought I recalled that one of Stacy's sisters (older sister who died?) had dated Drew at some point?? I hope I'm not posting something I'm recalling incorrectly - but for some reason I thought I'd read it somewhere.

mysteriew
05-29-2009, 09:27 PM
my memory is so fuzzy as I haven't read much about the case for the last year, but I thought I recalled that one of Stacy's sisters (older sister who died?) had dated Drew at some point?? I hope I'm not posting something I'm recalling incorrectly - but for some reason I thought I'd read it somewhere.

That does sound vaguely familiar. Either that she knew him or dated him. But I think it was still a rumor, I don't think we ever confirmed that for sure.

kikid
05-29-2009, 11:45 PM
That does sound vaguely familiar. Either that she knew him or dated him. But I think it was still a rumor, I don't think we ever confirmed that for sure.

ok, well we'll say it was a rumor then since there wasn't confirmation. Although if true, he may have known Stacy's mom and even had conflict with her at some point before ever meeting Stacy. If the rumor is true of course.

Mysterylover
06-01-2009, 06:24 PM
(Bold mine)
If you mean burn the body outside of a crematorium, no.
Burning a body requires very high heat, after which many of the bones are still intact and are then run through a grinder.

I'd be more inclined to think that he dissolved her with acid or lye....

KebishaKid, Good theory...
I am inclined to agree, that he possibly dissolved her with acid or lye from that blue, pool barrel he had sitting in his garage......I suspect that is why S. told her sister, she had to be 'found' within 2 days.

I'll ad another theory ..

Let's not forget the bikini she took, along with her passport and $25 grand.

What IF Drew paid the money to whomever he told to dispose of the body?

What IF he put the barrel/her into a storage shed at the airport that night?

..then he gives the key to the storage shed/hanger to someone along with the money to dispose of the body in the container of liquid?

Possibly a trucker or called in an 'I OWE U' from someone he met working undercover drugs years back.

Days Later He follows at a distance to make sure the job is done right during the 3 days he goes missing...

OR: he doesn't trust anyone and he gets the barrel/container from his plane hanger and disposes of her himself, at a pre-planed, prepared location..which took the 3 days.

closeobserver
06-01-2009, 07:35 PM
Interesting story about how it takes 2 days to completely dissolve a body in sulfuric acid....mmm, 2 days, plus one day for travel and clean up equals a three day unexplained "head clearing" trip and the confidence that Stacy will never be found.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/717344.html

Subject: Re: What is the fastest method to (chemically) dissolve a body?
From: cryptica-ga on 10 Apr 2006 16:56 PDT Oh, yes, Follow Kemlo's suggestion and check out legendary British
killer, John George Haig! I wrote & produced a mini-documentary about
him several years ago. I just looked up some of my notes. . .

Haigh, a k a "The Acid Bath Murderer," while in prison on fraud
charges came up with the idea for a series of "perfect murders." He
experimented while in prison with jam jars, field mice and very small
quantities of acid in order to work out how long it would take a body
to disappear in acid. On his release, he then started practicing on
human beings.

Haigh dissolved 5 people between 1944 and 1948 -- then stole their
property by forging letters and documents and posing as a relative.
All of the people he killed were his friends, including Mrs.
Durand-Deacon, the 6th and last of his victims. He got her to come to
his "workshop" in Crawley, where he shot her in the head.

He placed her body in a 45-gallon oil drum, went out for a cup of tea
and a poached egg on toast, then returned and filled the drum with
sulfruic acid, left it to stand for 2 days until the body had
disintegrated and swilled out the residue across the yard outside.

When the police searched Haigh's workshop, they found a rubber apron,
gas mask and empty carboys of acid. Plus letters and correspondence
and the recently fired revolver.

Haigh finally confesssed. "I've destoryed her with acid. You'll find
the sludge that remains at Leopold Road. Every trace has gone," he
bragged. "How can you charge me with murder when there is no BODY?"

A leading forensic pathologist foraged around in the soil where the
drums of acid had been dumped. He immediately picked up a small
stone. What Haigh didn't realize, the skilled pathologist did:
GALLSTONES don't dissolve quickly in acid.

In the end, 475 pounds of earth were analyzed, which came to 28 pounds
of animal fat, part of a foot, two more gall stones, Mrs.
Durand-Deacon's red handbag and Mrs. Durand-Deacon's dentures.
(Try saying THAT 5 times fast.)

Haigh's trial lasted only 2 days, during which he shocked the
courtroom by calming working on a crossword puzzle. The jury
deliberated for 17 minutes.

In 1949 Haigh was put to death by hanging. A perfectionist to the
end, he asked for a rehearsal of his execution. (The authorities
declined.)

There are many photographs of Haigh's workshop and the drums and gas
mask, etc., if you're interested and I also recommend an excellent
book that goes into more detail about his "technique."
"The Acid Bath Murders," by David Briffet.

thesleuther
06-01-2009, 10:28 PM
The problem I see with all the cremation talk and people owing Drew talk is that accomplices talk. How much do you think the National Enquirer would pay for that scoop? What kind of deal could a convict work out for the info that would put Drew behind bars for life? What about a 7-figure book deal?

I think Drew is given too much credit and all the accomplice talk and cremation talk just makes everything way too complicated.

I simply don't see Drew getting help beyond his step-brother Tom Morphey. The desperation of getting the body out of the house is one thing; getting a convict or a funeral director to help dispose of one is another. There was no reason to get help with disposal and if there's no reason to involve another person then it's beyond stupid to do it. Drew's years of seeing criminals in action showed him very well all the problems with accomplices. They talk...even Morphey....he talked.

I hate to repeat myself, but here I go. Drew was desperate to get Stacy's body out of the house; he had no choice but to get it away from the crime scene ASAP. Stacy's body at his house meant only one thing and that is that he murdered her. Despite taking a chance on Morphey, he had no choice. Once the body was loaded in the Denali, he had lots of choices and there was no need to involve anyone else.

mysteriew
06-01-2009, 10:51 PM
The problem I see with all the cremation talk and people owing Drew talk is that accomplices talk. How much do you think the National Enquirer would pay for that scoop? What kind of deal could a convict work out for the info that would put Drew behind bars for life? What about a 7-figure book deal?

I think Drew is given too much credit and all the accomplice talk and cremation talk just makes everything way too complicated.

I simply don't see Drew getting help beyond his step-brother Tom Morphey. The desperation of getting the body out of the house is one thing; getting a convict or a funeral director to help dispose of one is another. There was no reason to get help with disposal and if there's no reason to involve another person then it's beyond stupid to do it. Drew's years of seeing criminals in action showed him very well all the problems with accomplices. They talk...even Morphey....he talked.

I hate to repeat myself, but here I go. Drew was desperate to get Stacy's body out of the house; he had no choice but to get it away from the crime scene ASAP. Stacy's body at his house meant only one thing and that is that he murdered her. Despite taking a chance on Morphey, he had no choice. Once the body was loaded in the Denali, he had lots of choices and there was no need to involve anyone else.

You and I are not as far apart as we might seem.

I totally agree with you, witnesses talk. What it will take to get a witness to talk will vary though.

That's why I think that TM is a diversion. DrewP sees him as weak, he knows that TM would talk. If DrewP needed a family member quickly, a strong family member who was loyal to him- he had other family members. IMO TM would be the last one he would go to if he wanted to keep something covered up. But now to use him to develop a diversion, that he would do nicely. If police are following up on TM's info then they aren't looking elsewhere. And it worked for a while. LE kept TM under wraps for a good while. Then without explanation TM says they simply quit talking to him and they brought him home.

There are also other witnesses. Some who had committed crimes so regularly that to committ a crime or cover up a crime is almost a profession. Those generally won't talk, not unless their own lives are threatened and sometimes not then. It is thought that DrewP knew some people like this. Connected guys. It is thought to be possible that DrewP may have done business with them before. But that he definately knew them or knew of them. As a police officer, it might even be possible that they owed him. Or that he had worked for them. They would be safer than TM. For instance if someone referred him to a funeral home, they probably wouldn't want that info to come out because they wouldn't want LE to get too interested in other cremations that were done at the crematory if you get my drift. They wouldn't be telling anyone.

mysteriew
06-01-2009, 10:55 PM
Closeobserver I don't have a pool. But do pool owners use any acids in the car of their pool? I mean I know they use clorine and some other chemicals, but I wouldn't think acid unless they were draining and cleaning it.

From what I remember being said earlier, the barrel that was reported to be in the P garage was supposed to be chlorine, which doesn't act like an acid.

closeobserver
06-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Closeobserver I don't have a pool. But do pool owners use any acids in the car of their pool? I mean I know they use clorine and some other chemicals, but I wouldn't think acid unless they were draining and cleaning it.

From what I remember being said earlier, the barrel that was reported to be in the P garage was supposed to be chlorine, which doesn't act like an acid.no you don't use acid in a pool, but I thought with all the speculation of him dissolving the b ody in acid, I found that article interesting, especially from the standpoint of how it fits into the 3 day head clearing trip.

mysteriew
06-02-2009, 12:06 AM
Yeah there seems to be some discreptancy about the 3 day head clearing trip. It was my understanding, and from conversations with Ric seemed to be confirmed that DrewP didn't actually go anywhere. He was just leaving the house and slipping over the back fence. But that he would return to the house at some point. He wasn't actually on a trip, it was just that people didn't know where he was going in those three days as he was coming and going.

Yeah I remember the theory too. And IIRC we actually possibly found a source who was connected to DrewP who might have had access to the acid chemicals. I guess what made me discount this theory a little, was his asking TM to rent him a storage space. If he was going to dissolved Stacy he would have needed a space to do it. Since I think that TM was a diversion, it stands to reason that if TM knew about it, it was faked. (and I don't mean that TM faked it, I mean that DrewP faked it and led TM to believe it.) So if he dissolved her somewhere, then he found someplace else to do it.

k4kathy
06-02-2009, 02:07 PM
This scenario makes a lot of sense. I've always felt that DP knew he couldn't let Stacy leave him with the knowledge she had in regards to Kathleen. He planned on doing away with Stacy, but didn't plan on doing it on a weekend with the older boys and neighbors home. I think he would have done it on a weekday and away from home - no witnesses.

I think DP killed Stacy in a rage on Sunday, Oct. 28th, and he was then caught in the worst possible circumstances, with the the children in the house and neighbors home. He had to get the body out of the house before the children found the body or before Stacy's family became suspicious.

Cass said she started calling Stacy in the early afternoon and got no response. She became increasingly alarmed. She went to the Peterson home about 11:00pm, saw that both the Denali and Stacy's car weren't there. One of the boys answered the door, saying that his dad wasn't home - that his mom and dad had an argument and Stacy left and his dad was out looking for her.

Later, Cass called Drew's cell phone and when he answered it he was out of breath and Cass heard the sound of car keys. She asked where he was and he said he was at home.......but Cass was sitting in her car near the Peterson house and could see that DP's car wasn't in the driveway.

In the wee hours of the morning, Cass and her boyfriend, Bruce, saw that both the Denali and Stacy's car were in the driveway of the Peterson home, and Bruce called Drew, who told him that Stacy had left him and she called and told him her car was at the airport and he had gone and brought it home.

It was at that point that Cass went to the police to report Stacy missing.

When Cass first called Drew, when he was out of breath and she heard the sound of car keys............he could have been out disposing of Stacy's body in the woods.
Can police go back and do the "ping" thing for the day that this call from Cass took place,and get Drew's location??

Mysterylover
06-02-2009, 04:37 PM
Yeah there seems to be some discreptancy about the 3 day head clearing trip. It was my understanding, and from conversations with Ric seemed to be confirmed that DrewP didn't actually go anywhere. He was just leaving the house and slipping over the back fence. But that he would return to the house at some point. He wasn't actually on a trip, it was just that people didn't know where he was going in those three days as he was coming and going.

Yeah I remember the theory too. And IIRC we actually possibly found a source who was connected to DrewP who might have had access to the acid chemicals. I guess what made me discount this theory a little, was his asking TM to rent him a storage space. If he was going to dissolved Stacy he would have needed a space to do it. Since I think that TM was a diversion, it stands to reason that if TM knew about it, it was faked. (and I don't mean that TM faked it, I mean that DrewP faked it and led TM to believe it.) So if he dissolved her somewhere, then he found someplace else to do it.

Mysterview,
If I remember correctly, D. had his motorcyle hid in his hanger at the airport...which he could walk to, from his back yard....get on it and ride away without being noticed...Later I read that motorcycle disappeared and he was riding Stacys small one..
Does anyone know if HIS motorcycle ever showed back up??

mysteriew
06-02-2009, 11:04 PM
Mysterview,
If I remember correctly, D. had his motorcyle hid in his hanger at the airport...which he could walk to, from his back yard....get on it and ride away without being noticed...Later I read that motorcycle disappeared and he was riding Stacys small one..
Does anyone know if HIS motorcycle ever showed back up??

No, I hadn't heard anything about his bike. I know that in public, he was riding Stacy's bike until her family took it because it was in her name. I had wondered though about if he had a bike. I didn't think he would buy one for Stacy and not buy one for himself.

mysteriew
06-02-2009, 11:08 PM
Can police go back and do the "ping" thing for the day that this call from Cass took place,and get Drew's location??

Yeah, they can. IIRC Rumor has it that one of the the pings hit in an area close to one of Stacy's friends houses that DrewP claimed was Stacy's boyfriend. But I don't remember if it was the ping when Cass called or the ping when Stacy's phone called DrewP's phone while TM was watching the phone. Though I think that was the Stacy's phone/DrewP's phone contact.

I'm not sure they have ever released the results of the ping when Cass called DrewP.

closeobserver
06-02-2009, 11:27 PM
Yeah, they can. IIRC Rumor has it that one of the the pings hit in an area close to one of Stacy's friends houses that DrewP claimed was Stacy's boyfriend. But I don't remember if it was the ping when Cass called or the ping when Stacy's phone called DrewP's phone while TM was watching the phone. Though I think that was the Stacy's phone/DrewP's phone contact.

I'm not sure they have ever released the results of the ping when Cass called DrewP.
From what I remember, the ping when TM had the phone was near the friend of Stacey. The ping when Cass called was by the canal, which is why they searched the canal.

thesleuther
06-03-2009, 11:17 AM
There are lots of sleuths here who have a lot more info than I regarding this case. That being said, I did have another thought regarding disposal......

Drew may have had one idea for disposal, but then had to re-think. Here's what I mean:

Most of us here who think Drew murdered Stacy beoieve that something got out of hand on Sunday and he killed her in the bedroom - unplanned on that particular day. Now what? Neighbors are at home, the children are in the house, Stacy's family is expecting her to help paint. Someone is going to wonder where she is.

Drew had to get Stacy's body out of the house. Once the murder happened, item #1 was to get rid of the body. Unable to act alone and in total desperation, Drew elicited the help of his half-brother, Tom Morphey.

From here, we can only guess. Let's assume that Drew was certain of Tom's loyalty. In that case, he put the blue barrel/container/rectangular box somewhere safe. While working on that, he got a call from Cassandra. More desperation as Cassandra may very well go to the police. He had to get home in case the police came.

Soon after Stacy was reported missing, Drew realized that Morphey was in the hospital from a suicide attempt. His unstable half brother is now unreliable. He could say anything. If he talked, then the blue barrel/container/rectangular box would be connected to Drew.

Here's my newest thought.......Suppose that Drew retrieved the body and put it in another type of container......one that is a different color. A different color container would go a long way toward discrediting Morphey if Stacy's body were ever found. The 3-day head clearing trip? Possibly to change the container. Gruesome thoughts, but I'm still thinking about a burial in a pre-planned spot. It would be an unbelievable amount of work, but in the long run it would go a long way toward discrediting Morphey. And thus far, he appears to be the star witness. Thoughts anyone?

Mysterylover
06-03-2009, 07:59 PM
From what I remember, the ping when TM had the phone was near the friend of Stacey.

The ping when Cass called was by the canal, which is why they searched the canal....

Thesleuther, excellent post and very possible!

I haven't heard IF D.'s motorcycle has ever re-appeared...did he ever collect any Insurance on it?
In case it has not, my far-out theory is this: he possibly sunk his motorcycle with Stacy tied to it...

Closeobserver, another thought is: we really do NOT know what chemical was stored in the blue barrel in D's garage, maybe it wasn't chemicals for the pool....but an acid product.

A 30-55 gallon barrel is way too big a barrel for private pool chemicals...
I doubt public pools would use that much.
We have a very large, in ground pool and buy our chemicals in 5 gallon buckets which last most all summer..

Peculiar Petunia
06-03-2009, 08:22 PM
Offhand, I can't really think of many chemicals you would ship in those blue barrels. Can't ship flammable solvents in a flammable barrel. Maybe road salt or calcium chloride? Washing soda or baking soda? What bothers me is if any dastardly chemical is in one, even a humid day could set off a terrible reaction. Sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, concentrated sulfuric acid--none of those play well with water and I doubt they could be shipped that way.

I've seen fruit purees in them, grape products, dry powdered milk, shortening, and maybe frying oil. Maybe they came from a restaurant? Or hmm, a bar that serves fried food?

closeobserver
06-03-2009, 09:53 PM
Offhand, I can't really think of many chemicals you would ship in those blue barrels. Can't ship flammable solvents in a flammable barrel. Maybe road salt or calcium chloride? Washing soda or baking soda? What bothers me is if any dastardly chemical is in one, even a humid day could set off a terrible reaction. Sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, concentrated sulfuric acid--none of those play well with water and I doubt they could be shipped that way.

I've seen fruit purees in them, grape products, dry powdered milk, shortening, and maybe frying oil. Maybe they came from a restaurant? Or hmm, a bar that serves fried food?
OK, let me clarify my thoughts. First of all, I am only throwing the chemical dissolving theory out there as a possibility because it fits perfectly into the 3 day head clearing trip scenario. IF this is plausible, that doesn't mean he moved the chemical in the blue barrel. The blue barrel could have been used to transport the body (remember there is speculation that he tried to hire truckers to move a package) to a location, perhaps a storage facility, where he could have already had acid in storage. Remember, it is theorized that Drew had contingency plans in place to "get rid" of Stacy. Even if it wasn't the intended day, he may very well have had everything in place for the eventual deed.

The body could have been transfered, he could have spent 2 days dissolving the body, and the 3rd day dumping the "sludge" somewhere (perhaps in a hole dug in the woods and covered very easily) , and cleaning up evidence. The blue barrel could have easily been sawed up into pieces and dumped in a dumpster, never to be found>

Not too far fetched for a criminal mind like his. He had years to plan the inevitable. As things were going south with Stacy (and obviously they were because she was planning to see a divorce lawyer), he had plenty of time to set this up.

And, this all fits in with his confidence that Stacy will never be found....and Cass's comments that she needed to be found within 2 days.

Peculiar Petunia
06-03-2009, 11:00 PM
Oh, I hope you don't get me wrong--I think your theory is a good one. And I do think that somehow he could have gotten the chemicals to do the trick. I'm starting to wonder if he got the barrel from some other source, say a restaurant or a bakery, then got the chemicals another place.

thesleuther
06-04-2009, 11:54 AM
I think that since Drew was in LE all those years and saw the evolution of trace evidence, he would be very aware of how important it is to get rid of it. Even if he didn't want to dissolve her completely, just enough to get rid of any trace evidence that could link him to the crime is really all he needed.

Remember when it was speculated that he made the Stacy phone call with her cell phone when Morphey was in the coffee shop that Sunday evening? It was thought that he was near the guy she was talking to that Sunday morning of the disappearance (don't remember his name right now), and that he was trying to set him up as the perpetrator.

Think about it...a few chemicals to get rid of any trace evidence linking him to the crime and the possibility of a different color container...even IF the body were ever found, it would be tough to link him to the crime.

We, of course, don't know the evidence that LE has, and all of this is speculation. But Drew's years as a law enforcement officer combined with his proclivity to criminality himself means that the best detectives have a tough job on their hands.

mitzi
06-04-2009, 10:33 PM
I think that since Drew was in LE all those years and saw the evolution of trace evidence, he would be very aware of how important it is to get rid of it. Even if he didn't want to dissolve her completely, just enough to get rid of any trace evidence that could link him to the crime is really all he needed.

Remember when it was speculated that he made the Stacy phone call with her cell phone when Morphey was in the coffee shop that Sunday evening? It was thought that he was near the guy she was talking to that Sunday morning of the disappearance (don't remember his name right now), and that he was trying to set him up as the perpetrator.

Think about it...a few chemicals to get rid of any trace evidence linking him to the crime and the possibility of a different color container...even IF the body were ever found, it would be tough to link him to the crime.

We, of course, don't know the evidence that LE has, and all of this is speculation. But Drew's years as a law enforcement officer combined with his proclivity to criminality himself means that the best detectives have a tough job on their hands.

Bold Mine.

I believe DP was making the Stacy call from near Stacy's friend, Rosotti...or something like that, lives. He is a twin and a nurse. The person she was on the phone with Sunday was a friend of her's and Cass's, Bruce. That's IIRC. :blowkiss:

thesleuther
06-05-2009, 12:08 AM
Yes, I think you're correct about that.