Lee's house available for Caylee-care - June 2008?

[BondJamesBond]

With mixed results, I've made attempts on the 6/10-6/14 thread in this forum to get some focused sleuthing done on the availablity of Lee's house for Caylee-care during the month of June, specifically, 6/10-6/14 nights. After some prodding I'm launching this thread to give it another go.

Was Lee's house available to Casey - either with or without Lee's knowledge - during specific periods in the month of June 2008?

Some relevant points:

Lee's roommate. A roommate would thwart Casey using the house covertly even if Lee was outta town. So, gotta factor this into what we do and don't know about the situation. I don't know when Lee's roommate moved in. Has that been established? Existing thread for here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76060&highlight=Lee)

Lee stated the last time he saw Caylee was on Cindy's b-day, 6/5.
Lee stated in interview w/ LE that he was traveling in June.
Casey's message to Lee about "the Windy City" appears to support him being there recently, if not on the date she sent that message (6/23 12:40AM).
Lee's employer's parking deal announced in July '08 re: Chicago contract, appears to support that he may have been involved in some activities there
Lee's statement to Tony when wired appears to support his house may have been vacant up to a few weeks out of the month. (Afraid I don't personally have the details of this one yet, simply relaying what I've seen posted).
Ricardo did not reference an air matress being used when Caylee stayed overnight. IIRC, Caylee shared the bed w/ them. An air matress was recovered from the Pontiac, IIRC, and Casey indicated to Cindy that Caylee slept on it @ ZG's. An air matress would have been one way to covertly stay @ Lee's if he was outta town...w/o disturbing beds/sheets, etc.
No statements to the media or LE that I am aware of have been released from Lee's neighbors citing Casey or the Pontiac coming/going from his house
A statistical analysis of the pings here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3019917&postcount=344) during the period 6/10-6/14 suggests that Casey's location at night was different than that of 6/3-6/7 despite being in the same area as G&C's. (And, yes, the Brackenwood house also meets the same criteria as Lee's in this regard)
A dive into Cindy's interview done by BeanE :blowkiss: relating her account of Casey & Caylee's whereabouts during this period here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3022036&postcount=364).


The following detail communications originating from Lee to Casey in June:
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:05 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:21:31 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:34 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:24:46 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/10/08 TUE 8:40:43 PM INCOMING CALL Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
The following detail communications originating from Casey to Lee in June:
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:52 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 1:35:14 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:36:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:43:55 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)

[Gloryrebel]

I have thought of this as a place for her to hide out. I also would want to place where Lee was from the last time Caylee was seen alive to the day the body was left in the woods. I still wonder if he did not help in the cover up.:waitasec:

[ibyoungr]

I listened to the interview and typed it out as I listened.
Michelle M. Audio Interview Jan 19, 2009
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...html?refresh=1

1. Knew the Anthony family since Lee was in 1st grade.
2. Reconnected with Lee in Jr High, met the rest of the family.
3. Lived with Lee at the Eagle Feather address with other roommates – B.Lufkin in 2008.

[Whyamisointerested]

Eaglefeather Address-lived there for 2years or so a mile and a half down the road from the Anthony home.
BrianL. roomate ( anyone have info on him at all?)No interviews that I have found,wouldnt they interview him?
Lee works at click and park is a "project manager" for special events( since 12/06)

Does anyone have the exact dates that LEE might have been out of town during the month of JUNE?

[BondJamesBond]

I listened to the interview and typed it out as I listened.
Michelle M. Audio Interview Jan 19, 2009
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...html?refresh=1

1. Knew the Anthony family since Lee was in 1st grade.
2. Reconnected with Lee in Jr High, met the rest of the family.
3. Lived with Lee at the Eagle Feather address with other roommates – B.Lufkin in 2008.

Thanks. I just re-read the original roomie thread. 90% of it being back-n-forth 'bout the ethics of Lee breaking back into his old apartment to get some stuff.

Any info on, er, how 'bout we go by B's firstname? Just to be consistent.

Any remarks about when he moved in?
Any remarks about his line of work?

TIA!

[Woe.be.gone]

No concrete proof of anything in that thread.

A fellow with the initials BL thought to be LA's roommate. (My belief has been this but I can't say why - big help I know.)

Mallory moved back with her parents in May but the MS message doesn't indicate where she had been living previous to moving back into her parent's house. It seems she was not living with Lee in June 2008.

[BondJamesBond]

Does anyone have the exact dates that LEE might have been out of town during the month of JUNE?*snipped*

I haven't listened to the Tony/Lee wired conversation, but, IIRC, it was posted on another thread that Lee may have suggested in that conversation he was outta town 3 weeks in June (and May). IF that is correct, and Lee was @ Cindy's b-day party 6/5, we've got a pretty good case to make for Lee being gone 6/9 - 6/30.

Additionally, we know Lee was back in town 7/3 in order to teach Cindy how to create her MySpace page, then, chase Casey around Orlando clubs.

The cell texting contact between Lee & Casey 6/8-6/9 may be related to Lee's departure.

[Woe.be.gone]

Eaglefeather Address-lived there for 2years or so a mile and a half down the road from the Anthony home.
BrianL. roomate ( anyone have info on him at all?)No interviews that I have found,wouldnt they interview him?
Lee works at click and park is a "project manager" for special events( since 12/06)

Does anyone have the exact dates that LEE might have been out of town during the month of JUNE?

No to the exact dates but he mentioned to TL he had been out of town three weeks each in both May and June. LE heard that statement because TL was wired. Surely, LE would have substantiated Lee's claims? These records have not been released that I know of.

[ibyoungr]

Thanks. I just re-read the original roomie thread. 90% of it being back-n-forth 'bout the ethics of Lee breaking back into his old apartment to get some stuff.

Any info on, er, how 'bout we go by B's firstname? Just to be consistent.

Any remarks about when he moved in?
Any remarks about his line of work?

TIA!

His roommate BL's first name is posted on Lee's MySpace page that is on the first Lee thread that you posted above. Kinda like Brain...(misspelled.)
Videos on Lee's MySpace page show them at a house having a party in late 2006 and 2007.
Whitepages.com has Lee living at 2 addresses in Orlando, FL.
I assume these to be his parents and the one on Eagle Feather.

BL is showing have lived at 1 address in Mn
1 in Oviedo, FL
4 addresses in Orlando.

[BondJamesBond]

Anyone sleuthin' Brian's MS and/or Fb? Keepin' in mind he's totally innocent...just looking for any information that might support he was in/out of town in June.

[Woe.be.gone]

Thanks. I just re-read the original roomie thread. 90% of it being back-n-forth 'bout the ethics of Lee breaking back into his old apartment to get some stuff.

Any info on, er, how 'bout we go by B's firstname? Just to be consistent.

Any remarks about when he moved in?
Any remarks about his line of work?

TIA!

Regarding the first name, Colonial H.S. Class of 2001, same as LA. Full initials are BGL. Do you know the first and last name? I do. Birth year 1983.

[BondJamesBond]

Regarding the first name, Colonial H.S. Class of 2001, same as LA. Full initials are BGL. Do you know the first and last name? I do. Birth year 1983.

I think we're good w/ the first and lastname. Now, thanks to you, we have a middle initial :thumb:

Prolly each need to go back and check our own posts to clean-up any uses of Brian's lastname.

Wondering how he managed to stay outta the spotlight.

Anyway...since Lee sold the house more recently, Brian had to go somewhere, eh? Perhaps he was already gone by June? **Pure speculation** if Brian moved outta the house it would've contributed to compelling Lee to sell (e.g. sole bearer of the mortgage vs. splitting it). When Lee moved out all we saw in the media was only about him. Was Brian already gone?:waitasec:

[Sundance]

Ricardo did not reference an air matress being used when Caylee stayed overnight. IIRC, Caylee shared the bed w/ them. An air matress was recovered from the Pontiac, IIRC, and Casey indicated to Cindy that Caylee slept on it @ ZG's. An air matress would have been one way to covertly stay @ Lee's if he was outta town...w/o disturbing beds/sheets, etc.

(Bold my emphasis) Respectuflly snipped....

BJB, in Cindy's deposition for the ZFG civil suit, she talked about this air mattress, and she said that it was at the house on Hopespring at the time Caylee was first reported missing. She went on to say that she had given it to John Allen after she found it while looking for something that might give some clues or info.

[Woe.be.gone]

Anyone sleuthin' Brian's MS and/or Fb? Keepin' in mind he's totally innocent...just looking for any information that might support he was in/out of town in June.

He said on his My Space that he is "pissed" about the situation. My exact note reads, A BL (spelled out) says he is "pissed" about the situation.

In the early pictures there was a picture taken in the Ant's living room (Caylee's 1st B-day?) where BL is in a couple of the pics. He's a stocky guy. I went looking for the pic but did not find it. What I found was a tribute website by Caree that tried to mess up my computer. I had to shut down and restart in safe mode. Hmmmm.

[ExpectingUnicorns]

According to Linkedin he's a "project coordinator" for Click and Park. Don't know how current this info is, though.

[BondJamesBond]

According to Linkedin he's a "project coordinator" for Click and Park. Don't know how current this info is, though.

Nice work, EU. Are you seeing that he works for the same company as Lee? That would set up the possibility that he might also be traveling w/ Lee. :waitasec:

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Nice work, EU. Are you seeing that he works for the same company as Lee? That would set up the possibility that he might also be traveling w/ Lee. :waitasec:

Yes. We've already established that Lee works for for Click and Park haven't we?

[BondJamesBond]

Yes. We've already established that Lee works for for Click and Park haven't we?

:) We maybe talking in circles :)

By "he" I thought you meant Brian. Perhaps you meant Lee. Yes, Lee works for the company responsible for Click and Park. Are you saying that Brian appears to work for C&P too (per LinkedIn)?

[mom2chloe]

I searched under both spellings of first name ("B") and last name on both Facebook and Myspace and came up with zero? Am I missing something?

[ExpectingUnicorns]

:) We maybe talking in circles :)

By "he" I thought you meant Brian. Perhaps you meant Lee. Yes, Lee works for the company responsible for Click and Park. Are you saying that Brian appears to work for C&P too (per LinkedIn)?

Sorry! Yes, Brian works for Click and Park. We've already established that Lee does, right? So, I think it could be very likely that they could both be working on the same project and leave their home vacant during periods of travel.

Here's the link: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?last=Lufkin&first=Brian

[mom2chloe]

hmmm..a google search leads to a FB account which is inactive...myspace is still in the works...profile set to private but reads this, "Ésos eran los mejores días de mi vida" .

[BondJamesBond]

Sorry! Yes, Brian works for Click and Park. We've already established that Lee does, right? So, I think it could be very likely that they could both be working on the same project and leave their home vacant during periods of travel.

Here's the link: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?last=Lufkin&first=Brian

:blowkiss: Outstanding work! EU. :thumb:

[BondJamesBond]

hmmm..a google search leads to a FB account which is inactive...myspace is still in the works...profile set to private but reads this, "Ésos eran los mejores días de mi vida" .

Translation, "Those were the best days of my life" as in, Bryan Adams Summer of '69 lyrics.

Looks like it has been that way since at least Sept '08 when it was referenced on the WS MySpace thread.

He's active on MS w/ last login 4/14.

[Whyamisointerested]

Wow great work everyone..yes BrianL totally innocent just sleuthing to see if LA's place was empty etc...Im amazed that he has been able to stay out of the spotlight.LE must have interviewed him though....and we havent seen it..hmmm..BTW I think LA was leasing the place in his last depo..he mentioned his lease was up and he decided to move back in w/parents for financial reasons...WOW if LA roomate worked with him and traveled with him and they were out of town for 3 weeks in June then I bet Casey did hang out there....wow that would make alot of "ping" sense :)

[Whyamisointerested]

Call me crazy:) But I have never believed the Anthonys story about the 16th, Ive always thought there was a fight on the 15th and KC stormed off with Caylee..I knowIknow the pings put her at home but maybe not maybe she was at Lee's that would make sense...Cindy called her phone in the a.m. and her account of hearing them "breathing" outside the door was silly, and dont even get me started on GA account of how they were dressed etc..I so wonder how well they looked at LEES place and home phone records and home computer records??Ok just had to throw that out there back to the sleuthing...

[momtective]

Okay, let me see if I can get this right. BL former roommate of Lee A is friends with Chris ? per myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=22944657

Chris ? is friends with David ...Davey (of Camerae) says DON'T GET E-PASS! http://www.myspace.com/skunkdave

David is friends with none other than Josh✠4ever 23 ♠♣♥♦ ♫♫ (? baby Caylee Daddy)
http://www.myspace.com/must65tang

Comment on Chris' myspace from Melissa ? Dec 10 2008 11:55 PM

Boy do I miss that Lufkin.

Still looking through myspace pages for comments that might reveal when BL moved or when he might have been out of town.

OT but doesn't this suggest that maybe KC meet Josh O through Lee A's friends?

BL is also friends with this person http://www.myspace.com/297129120

BL is also friends with http://www.myspace.com/markhill

There are comments on Marks page from Lee and KC...one from Chris on Aug 5, 2006 "Why the hell do we not have the Oviedhoes as myspace friends?" this of course following KC's posted comment on May 27, 2006

I know this in no way answered the question at hand but perhaps through following the comments through the myspace pages we can glean some in site as to when LA & roommates were out of town. It's probably the long way around but I've never been one to take the road less traveled...usually the long way around. :smile:

[It's Not the Nanny]

Even more curious that Lee moved home when his lease was up instead of moving in with his pregnant girlfriend.


Then there were the stories of Lee telling the carpet cleaners to do an extra good job while he was moving out. :thumb:

I've never heard the story about the air mattress in the Pontiac! How did I miss that?


CA's call the morning of the 16th to KC's cell would also fit into the theory that KC took Caylee to Lee's after the big fight.

Of course, KC did end up back at the A's house as she was downloading stuff on their computer.

[marla]

With mixed results, I've made attempts on the 6/10-6/14 thread in this forum to get some focused sleuthing done on the availablity of Lee's house for Caylee-care during the month of June, specifically, 6/10-6/14 nights. After some prodding I'm launching this thread to give it another go.

Was Lee's house available to Casey - either with or without Lee's knowledge - during specific periods in the month of June 2008?

Some relevant points:

Lee's roommate. A roommate would thwart Casey using the house covertly even if Lee was outta town. So, gotta factor this into what we do and don't know about the situation. I don't know when Lee's roommate moved in. Has that been established? Existing thread for here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76060&highlight=Lee)

Lee stated the last time he saw Caylee was on Cindy's b-day, 6/5.
Lee stated in interview w/ LE that he was traveling in June.
Casey's message to Lee about "the Windy City" appears to support him being there recently, if not on the date she sent that message (6/23 12:40AM).
Lee's employer's parking deal announced in July '08 re: Chicago contract, appears to support that he may have been involved in some activities there
Lee's statement to Tony when wired appears to support his house may have been vacant up to a few weeks out of the month. (Afraid I don't personally have the details of this one yet, simply relaying what I've seen posted).
Ricardo did not reference an air matress being used when Caylee stayed overnight. IIRC, Caylee shared the bed w/ them. An air matress was recovered from the Pontiac, IIRC, and Casey indicated to Cindy that Caylee slept on it @ ZG's. An air matress would have been one way to covertly stay @ Lee's if he was outta town...w/o disturbing beds/sheets, etc.
No statements to the media or LE that I am aware of have been released from Lee's neighbors citing Casey or the Pontiac coming/going from his house
A statistical analysis of the pings here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3019917&postcount=344) during the period 6/10-6/14 suggests that Casey's location at night was different than that of 6/3-6/7 despite being in the same area as G&C's. (And, yes, the Brackenwood house also meets the same criteria as Lee's in this regard)
A dive into Cindy's interview done by BeanE :blowkiss: relating her account of Casey & Caylee's whereabouts during this period here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3022036&postcount=364).


The following detail communications originating from Lee to Casey in June:
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:05 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:21:31 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:34 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:24:46 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/10/08 TUE 8:40:43 PM INCOMING CALL Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
The following detail communications originating from Casey to Lee in June:
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:52 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 1:35:14 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:36:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:43:55 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)


I'm sure Cindy found the air mattress in the closet AFTER Casey was put in jail ..
The air mattress wasn't recovered from the Pontiac ..

[Whyamisointerested]

Even more curious that Lee moved home when his lease was up instead of moving in with his pregnant girlfriend.


Then there were the stories of Lee telling the carpet cleaners to do an extra good job while he was moving out. :thumb:

I've never heard the story about the air mattress in the Pontiac! How did I miss that?


CA's call the morning of the 16th to KC's cell would also fit into the theory that KC took Caylee to Lee's after the big fight.

Of course, KC did end up back at the A's house as she was downloading stuff on their computer.

This is just one of several of my theories, but it would make sense that if LA was out of town it would account for a "hiding spot" when she wasnt accounted for,,YES i know on the 16th she was "pingn" from the Anthony house, if she left she went back,but it might have been after GA was gone..

[Woe.be.gone]

Whyam:crazy: - call me crazy too!:crazy:

[Woe.be.gone]

momtective's post 26 above has several links to ms pages - has anyone noticed the verbiage from the site of Davey (of Camerae)? Here's a portion -

"The defining factor between children and adults is the availability of time. Responsibility is not a choice for (most) adults, it is a necessity for survival. Children have no worries for survival. The institution of school is to accustom people to having half of their waking hours sapped away, not to mention a child-sitting for those who already have theirs sapped away."

Interesting commentary.

[momtective]

momtective's post 26 above has several links to ms pages - has anyone noticed the verbiage from the site of Davey (of Camerae)? Here's a portion -

"The defining factor between children and adults is the availability of time. Responsibility is not a choice for (most) adults, it is a necessity for survival. Children have no worries for survival. The institution of school is to accustom people to having half of their waking hours sapped away, not to mention a child-sitting for those who already have theirs sapped away."

Interesting commentary.

Yes, I read that too...very interesting isn't it. Just reading the comment interaction among these friends in quite in insightful, isn't it. I really believe the comment about the Oviedhoes is directed at KC.

[Woe.be.gone]

Did you happen to notice that a friend named "Kyle" is an event planner and action photographer?
His profile states specifically "Universal Event Planner". That caught my attention.

[ibyoungr]

Okay, let me see if I can get this right. BL former roommate of Lee A is friends with Chris ? per myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=22944657

Chris ? is friends with David ...Davey (of Camerae) says DON'T GET E-PASS! http://www.myspace.com/skunkdave

David is friends with none other than Josh✠4ever 23 ♠♣♥♦ ♫♫ (? baby Caylee Daddy)
http://www.myspace.com/must65tang

Comment on Chris' myspace from Melissa ? Dec 10 2008 11:55 PM

Boy do I miss that Lufkin.

Still looking through myspace pages for comments that might reveal when BL moved or when he might have been out of town.

OT but doesn't this suggest that maybe KC meet Josh O through Lee A's friends?

BL is also friends with this person http://www.myspace.com/297129120

BL is also friends with http://www.myspace.com/markhill

There are comments on Marks page from Lee and KC...one from Chris on Aug 5, 2006 "Why the hell do we not have the Oviedhoes as myspace friends?" this of course following KC's posted comment on May 27, 2006

I know this in no way answered the question at hand but perhaps through following the comments through the myspace pages we can glean some in site as to when LA & roommates were out of town. It's probably the long way around but I've never been one to take the road less traveled...usually the long way around. :smile:

Josh's aunt was on here and wrote in the Josh O thread. They state that Josh O did date Mallory. They do not think that Josh is the father of Caylee.

[LCoastMom]

I listened to the interview and typed it out as I listened.
Michelle M. Audio Interview Jan 19, 2009
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...html?refresh=1

1. Knew the Anthony family since Lee was in 1st grade.
2. Reconnected with Lee in Jr High, met the rest of the family.
3. Lived with Lee at the Eagle Feather address with other roommates – B.Lufkin in 2008.

The above link isn't working for me.

Does anyone know where to find the third roommates transcript? She (I believe it's a she) said she chose not to go KC hunting on 7/3.

She was the first one to bring up Caylee screaming and refusing to sleep if KC wasn't in the room (or something along this line).

She has been a friend of the family for years, I believe she may have also mentioned Cindy taking custody of Caylee.

My brain feels like it is going to explode from trying to keep all the details straight!

[ibyoungr]

The above link isn't working for me.

Does anyone know where to find the third roommates transcript? She (I believe it's a she) said she chose not to go KC hunting on 7/3.

She was the first one to bring up Caylee screaming and refusing to sleep if KC wasn't in the room (or something along this line).

She has been a friend of the family for years, I believe she may have also mentioned Cindy taking custody of Caylee.

My brain feels like it is going to explode from trying to keep all the details straight!



Try this link
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Monroe,%20Melanie0814.pdf

I was under the impression she was living at Lee's house during May and June of 08.

[momtective]

The above link isn't working for me.

Does anyone know where to find the third roommates transcript? She (I believe it's a she) said she chose not to go KC hunting on 7/3.

She was the first one to bring up Caylee screaming and refusing to sleep if KC wasn't in the room (or something along this line).

She has been a friend of the family for years, I believe she may have also mentioned Cindy taking custody of Caylee.

My brain feels like it is going to explode from trying to keep all the details straight!

Here is Michele Mruphy's statement to LE http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4881788/Casey-Anthony-Michelle-Murphy-statement-to-LE

[Whyamisointerested]

This is good if they interviewed her then they had to have interviewed BL and it hasnt been released..hmm

[Whyamisointerested]

Here is Michele Mruphy's statement to LE http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4881788/Casey-Anthony-Michelle-Murphy-statement-to-LE

It ends without any closing? Is there more to this anywhere?

[Chezhire]

Got a question for you guys:

Does anyone recall whether or not any person was asked when/dates that she was aware that Casey went to Lee's house - with or without Caylee - either for a visit, overnight, etc., and a specific date/time was given? I'm interested in any date/time that might have been discussed.

If you recall such a line of questioning, be it in a deposition or transcript, and could point me to same, I would be ever so grateful.

[carrie]

Got a question for you guys:

Does anyone recall whether or not any person was asked when/dates that she was aware that Casey went to Lee's house - with or without Caylee - either for a visit, overnight, etc., and a specific date/time was given? I'm interested in any date/time that might have been discussed.

If you recall such a line of questioning, be it in a deposition or transcript, and could point me to same, I would be ever so grateful.

Chezhire,

I just listened to the entire Michelle M. interview. It's about 40 minutes long. When asked by LE how many times KC brought Caylee to Lee's while she lived there, she stated "3 or 4 times."

That would not support Lee's place being a place KC took Caylee much in June if Michelle was living there but I think Bond posted that Michelle had moved out prior to June. Not sure, going to check on that.

When asked the last time she saw Caylee, she said around Caylee's 2nd birthday. (She was at the party.)

When asked the last time she saw KC, she said around the same time she last saw Caylee. It sounded as if they'd talked by phone or text a few times briefly since then. (Michelle says KC had blown her off a few times when they'd made plans to do something together (with fake excuses), the result of which being that Michelle didn't really pursue the relationship any further after that. Except to be "civil."

Michelle states the conversation between she and KC re: the miscarriage and KC wanting to commit herself was around the end of '07/beginning of '08. (I'm not 100% on that date, though).

So, do we know for sure when Michelle moved out of Lee's? Seems like I remember Bond mentioning it on another thread. I'll have to check. However, in the interview, it sounds as if she was at Lee's, or was with Lee, Mallory, and Brian L. during their discussing/planning to go to Red Dragon and confront KC on July 3rd. (Michelle stated it was "July 2nd or 3rd")

Perhaps shw wasn't actually physically present with them and they were just on the phone or texting. However she was definitely privy to the discussion and planning (to confront KC @ red Dragon) as she states she did not go with them because she didn't feel like "going downtown."

Hope this helps. Going to see if I can find where Bond posted re: which date/month Michelle moved out - if, in fact, he did. My memeory could be going - lol. :)

[BondJamesBond]

Hope this helps. Going to see if I can find where Bond posted re: which date/month Michelle moved out - if, in fact, he did. My memeory could be going - lol. :)*snipped*

Hey, Carrie. Terrific post. Thanks so much for taking the time to summarize it for us :blowkiss:

RE: me posting Michelle's move out. It wouldn't have been me that I recall. If it wasn't on this thread (by another poster) then it might've been on the "Seeking new info 6/10-6/14..." thread where we discussed this same topic for some time before someone finally convinced me a more specific thread topic might get things sleuthed out better.

And, BTW, I hafta admit they were right...I get a big grin on my face when I see this getting put under the magnifying glass :sleuth: :thumb: Terrific work going on here!

[carrie]

*snipped*

Hey, Carrie. Terrific post. Thanks so much for taking the time to summarize it for us :blowkiss:

RE: me posting Michelle's move out. It wouldn't have been me that I recall. If it wasn't on this thread (by another poster) then it might've been on the "Seeking new info 6/10-6/14..." thread where we discussed this same topic for some time before someone finally convinced me a more specific thread topic might get things sleuthed out better.

And, BTW, I hafta admit they were right...I get a big grin on my face when I see this getting put under the magnifying glass :sleuth: :thumb: Terrific work going on here!


Bond,

Thanks for the kind words, :blushing:

Been searching the "6/10 - 6/14" thread, this thread, and the whole analysis thread for about an hour now, driving myself crazy as to where I read this re: Michelle M. having moved out prior to June. Finally, whew, figured out where I got that. From the following post by Woe.be.gone on 4/16 of the this thread:

No concrete proof of anything in that thread.

A fellow with the initials BL thought to be LA's roommate. (My belief has been this but I can't say why - big help I know.)

Mallory moved back with her parents in May but the MS message doesn't indicate where she had been living previous to moving back into her parent's house. It seems she was not living with Lee in June 2008.


LOL - apparently I confused Mallory's name w/ Michelle's. Duh.

So, anyway, am I correct then, in assuming that we don't know if Michelle was or wasn't still Lee's roommate in June? It really sounded in her statement as if they were all together (Lee, Mallory, Brian L., and Michelle M.) while discussing the trip to Red Dragon to confront KC. By the sound of it, one could infer that she lived with them. But as we aren't in the business of inferring without making sure, how can we find this out? Suggestions anyone?

This would, obviously, be key to possibly ruling out Lee's as a place for Caylee "care" during the 9th thru the 14th, as Michelle said KC only brought Caylee there 3 or 4 times the entire time she lived w/ Lee. If Michelle wasn't living there in June, we're back at square one.

[BondJamesBond]

. But as we aren't in the business of inferring without making sure, how can we find this out? Suggestions anyone?

This would, obviously, be key to possibly ruling out Lee's as a place for Caylee "care" during the 9th thru the 14th, as Michelle said KC only brought Caylee there 3 or 4 times the entire time she lived w/ Lee. If Michelle wasn't living there in June, we're back at square one.*snipped*

Itsatoughiefershure :) I just dunno. If Michelle has tracks on MySpace or Fb that might provide clues...maybe something there as to her whereabouts? Just wondering if she would feel comfortable staying in the house by herself if Lee & Brian were outta town. Peeps take vacation in June too. I dunno. Not much to go on.

BTW...I think you meant "If Michelle was (vs. wasn't) living there..." right?

Again, appreciate all the time & energy going into turning over the rocks. :)

[carrie]

BTW...I think you meant "If Michelle was (vs. wasn't) living there..." right?

Again, appreciate all the time & energy going into turning over the rocks. :)

LOL - I meant if Michelle wasn't living there, we'd be back at square one in being able to rule out Lee's as a place for Caylee "care" in June. If she was living there we could rule it out, as Michelle said KC'd only brought Caylee there 3 or 4 times, but she hadn't seen Caylee or KC for 6 months before Caylee went missing. Unless, she was gone on vacation as you suggest.

Sometimes its hard to make yourself clear in a post. :) Sorry.

I guess you meant we'd be back at square one if she was there bc now we'd have to look somewhere else for possible whereabouts of Caylee?

[carrie]

Hey, I just noticed this. Was just rereading this interview LE did w/ Anthony R. He says KC was dropping Caylee off w/ the nanny somewhere NEAR, but not AT George and Cindy’s.

Could she have been talking about Lee’s I wonder? it's the only place near George & Cindy's. Hmmmm.



**snipped from interview of AR on 8/8/08**

(bottom of p. 18)

22 AR:And then like, I, I guess, I mean, I’m trying to think. Maybe, maybe once she said, you know, I’m, I’m going to drop her off somewhere. But I’m not really exactly sure where. Or…

25 YM:Well…

(top of p. 19)

1 AR:…she never gave me an exact place. If she did I, I really don’t remember. She said it was ar…no, you know what? I think she said it was around where she lived. That’s all I’ve really.

[carrie]

Looked back through the interview to get a handle on the time frame in which AR and KC saw each other. Wanted to see if it overlaps to our dates in question re: possibility of Lee’s for “Caylee care.”

Per pp. 4, 5, 6, of the interview:

KC and AR first met around December of 07 when she was @ the firing range w/ Jessee. They all went to Subway together. Ar became Facebook friends w/ KC and they talked a few times. She came into Latitudes a time or two where he worked as a bouncer.

Then, they went out to a game the 1st week of January and hooked up (were intimate) at his apt. afterward. He thinks on Jan. 6.

AR states her did not hear from her after that for “couple months.”

Per pp. 9, 10 of interview:

They started talking more frequently on AIM end of April beginning of May and hooked up again around middle to end of May.

Last time he talked to her “physically” was June 1st, his BD, after that just texts or voice mail.

S0, if the place “around her home” where she dropped Caylee off actually was Lee’s, then she was doing it before June. Anyway, FWIW. Just trying to see if any of this backs up the theory of Lee’s for Caylee care in June. Possibly.

[BondJamesBond]

Looked back through the interview to get a handle on the time frame in which AR and KC saw each other. Wanted to see if it overlaps to our dates in question re: possibility of Lee’s for “Caylee care.”

Per pp. 4, 5, 6, of the interview:

KC and AR first met around December of 07 when she was @ the firing range w/ Jessee. They all went to Subway together. Ar became Facebook friends w/ KC and they talked a few times. She came into Latitudes a time or two where he worked as a bouncer.

Then, they went out to a game the 1st week of January and hooked up (were intimate) at his apt. afterward. He thinks on Jan. 6.

AR states her did not hear from her after that for “couple months.”

Per pp. 9, 10 of interview:

They started talking more frequently on AIM end of April beginning of May and hooked up again around middle to end of May.

Last time he talked to her “physically” was June 1st, his BD, after that just texts or voice mail.

S0, if the place “around her home” where she dropped Caylee off actually was Lee’s, then she was doing it before June. Anyway, FWIW. Just trying to see if any of this backs up the theory of Lee’s for Caylee care in June. Possibly.

Thanks, Carrie. FWIW, looks like the hook-up w Tony R was 6/1 between 3-6:20PM @ his place.

Appeared Casey pulled an all nighter...first w/ Tony L., possibly some time @ Chris S. then Tony L. in the morning and ...

I think we explored this on the "...fight part deux" thread as fueling the reason Casey took Caylee w/ her the following day to Tony's. Although I don't think we noted the Tony R. hook-up timing.

Interesting about the 'nearby' comment, eh? :waitasec: Thanks for sharing the research. :)

[ibyoungr]

Thanks, Carrie. FWIW, looks like the hook-up w Tony R was 6/1 between 3-6:20PM @ his place.

Appeared Casey pulled an all nighter...first w/ Tony L., possibly some time @ Chris S. then Tony L. in the morning and ...

I think we explored this on the "...fight part deux" thread as fueling the reason Casey took Caylee w/ her the following day to Tony's. Although I don't think we noted the Tony R. hook-up timing.

Interesting about the 'nearby' comment, eh? :waitasec: Thanks for sharing the research. :)

After reading TR's texts about hooking up at the end of May I made a post notating that but I could not go back and add it to my previous post. I am keeping up a word document with the same info and have added it that. While working on this, I have come to the conclusion that she may have slipped by Tony R's for some "fun time" at least once if not twice.
The second time possibly being June 17th in the afternoon. But if doesn't bring it up to police that he was with her that afternoon between 5:30 and 8:30 PM then it didn't happen. At least as far as we know.

She sure isn't going to say anything about being with him and as a ex-cop he sure knows not to say he seen or heard from her ANYWHERE the date in June that Caylee went missing.

[JWG]

A bit :offtopic: for this thread, but ...

Tony R. said they thrashed twice. I agree the first time was in early January. I agree he said late May at one point in his interview, although IIRC he could not quite nail the date (pun intended) and at one point thought early May. :waitasec:

Now, as I note in the post here, his IM's on May 6 complained about a 3 week drought, :boohoo: which would place the event in mid-April, and I show a humorous reason (well, funny to me) as to why that timeframe has merit.

I suppose he could have lost count and they actually bounced around three times rather than two ... he is a guy after all ... although he says he felt like the girl. :rolleyes:

OK, back on topic now. :bang:

[TallyHo]

Sorry for one more post digressing from the topic, but I thought the interview with Michelle brought out by the sleuths here is important. :clap: One more person testifying that the Anthony's were considering an alternative custody arrangement for their Mother of the Year. OK, now back on topic! :)

[carrie]

A bit :offtopic: for this thread, but ...

Tony R. said they thrashed twice. I agree the first time was in early January. I agree he said late May at one point in his interview, although IIRC he could not quite nail the date (pun intended) and at one point thought early May. :waitasec:

Now, as I note in the post here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3746993&postcount=94), his IM's on May 6 complained about a 3 week drought, :boohoo: which would place the event in mid-April, and I show a humorous reason (well, funny to me) as to why that timeframe has merit.

I suppose he could have lost count and they actually bounced around three times rather than two ... he is a guy after all ... although he says he felt like the girl. :rolleyes:

OK, back on topic now. :bang:

JWG, IBY, Bond, et al.,

I read your post, JWG, in the "KC's IMs . . . Tony R. in entirety." I thought it was pretty funny too - -lol - - and interesting the way she used him as a fake addy for her fake email - he can't say he didn't matter :rolleyes: .

Anyway, that's what got me interested and made me go back and read that interview again. It never occurred to me it the booty call dates were possibly relevant to IBY's timeline.

(FANTASTIC work and dedication ibyounger btw, you're amazing)

It's clear that AR lied at first to LE about havinf been involved w/ KC at all. YM reiterates that to him at length. Maybe he lied/couldn't remember correctly/said end of May because he didn't want to put himself anywhere near KC in June (understandably) as IBY notes above. Not suggesting he's involved in Caylee's tragedy in any way.

Anyway, to get back on topic - :) - the only reason I posted about it here, was AR's remark re: KC dropping Caylee off somewhere near her house (G & C's) as to a babysitters/the nanny's.

YM is questioning him as to what he's heard about the nanny, where he believed Caylee was during any of the times he saw/was with KC. It stood out to me that (although he seemed at first to be going to say he didn't know/didn't remember) he said he thought she'd been dropped off somewhere near/around GA and CA's. Lee's?

[JWG]

YM is questioning him as to what he's heard about the nanny, where he believed Caylee was during any of the times he saw/was with KC. It stood out to me that (although he seemed at first to be going to say he didn't know/didn't remember) he said he thought she'd been dropped off somewhere near/around GA and CA's. Lee's?

** [SNIPPED] ** for brevity.

Thanks Carrie for bringing that information to the forefront.

Another possibility is Kristina C., who lived just south of the Anthony home. As stone's throw ... even closer than Lee.

[BondJamesBond]

...and, of course, leaving Caylee @ G&C's. IIRC, that's where we have Caylee on 6/1.