Huckaby tied to January missing girl report

[Momtofour]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

Huckaby told a Sacramento news station that police questioned her about the incident reported on January 17 by a family in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby lived in the same complex, also where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived before police found her dead body on April 10. Police arrested Huckaby four days later on suspicion on kidnapping, raping and killing Sandra.

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby the day after farmworkers found Sandra’s body inside a suitcase dumped in a dairy lagoon.

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.

[Lady Loves Lurking]

Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem...

:eek: WHAT?!

[KR2tonenow]

Last week Jane Velez was looking for this "rumor" and evidence that Huckaby had drugged another child. I hope she gets this for tonights show!

[DairyGirl]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

Huckaby told a Sacramento news station that police questioned her about the incident reported on January 17 by a family in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby lived in the same complex, also where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived before police found her dead body on April 10. Police arrested Huckaby four days later on suspicion on kidnapping, raping and killing Sandra.

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby the day after farmworkers found Sandra’s body inside a suitcase dumped in a dairy lagoon.

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.

So this is a different girl. The child in this report had blue eyes and Sandra had brown eyes. I had heard that the girl from the previous incident was also Sandra. I wonder if the police thought the girls mother drugged her because of her alcohol and drug problem. It sure seems that where ever MH is trouble is sure to follow. There is the rape where then guy was cleared. Two different theft charges. An arson that hasn't been solved. Two different reports of being abused by men. Sandra and now a drugged child. Either she is the unluckiest person alive or she has some very deep mental problems.

[pb6656]

Oh no!@

[Mendara]

So it is okay for a little girl to be put on drugs and taken to a park where she was maybe molested, because her mother is a drug user and alcoholic..maybe?

WHAT?!

Unreal. Did they at least notify children's services? It this child okay?

[oceanblueeyes]

So it is okay for a little girl to be put on drugs and taken to a park where she was maybe molested, because her mother is a drug user and alcoholic..maybe?

WHAT?!

Unreal. Did they at least notify children's services? It this child okay?

Absolutely not.

And I highly doubt the little girl's family would have taken her to the hospital if they thought her mother had given her the drugs.

I bet the mother doesn't drive a purple Kia either.

Unreal.

I think she was doping them up so she could have her way with them and they probably couldn't remember it or what happened.

Huckaby is scaring the crap out of me.

imo

[MIMOMMY]

Its ok everyone --- She didnt "mean" to do it -- its all part of her "downward spiral" that started when her highschool sweetheart broke her heart -- No reason to be alarmed

Just a few fires
False Rape Allegations
Drugged and Kidnapped Missing Children
Theft
Oh.......and a rape and murder.......
:furious:


Heres my question - WHAT parent says --- Ohhhhh nevermind the fact that she kidnapped my child, and drugged her...we know she has a drug/alcohol problem.....just dont do it again? :eek: Are you kidding me? Im normally a very friendly, easy going, caring person, but I'll tell you one thing - you dont EVER want to be the person who touches my child in anyway.....PERIOD!

[passionflower]

Didn't Connie/Lane wonder where MH was for over 4 hours???
Esp if they had to babysit MH child!
What stories did she tell?
Was she wacked out?
Was she a mess, blood?

[JoeFromLB]

Lots of women driving purple Kia Sportage's in Tracy, I see.

Nothing to see here, move along...

[oceanblueeyes]

Its ok everyone --- She didn't "mean" to do it -- its all part of her "downward spiral" that started when her highschool sweetheart broke her heart -- No reason to be alarmed

Just a few fires
False Rape Allegations
Drugged and Kidnapped Missing Children
Theft
Oh.......and a rape and murder.......
:furious:


Heres my question - WHAT parent says --- Ohhhhh nevermind the fact that she kidnapped my child, and drugged her...we know she has a drug/alcohol problem.....just don't do it again? :eek: Are you kidding me? Im normally a very friendly, easy going, caring person, but I'll tell you one thing - you don't EVER want to be the person who touches my child in anyway.....PERIOD!

The family reported it. It seems the police are the ones that dropped the ball on this one and dismissed it because of the mother.

So another little child that was kidnapped and they didn't do anything about it because it was a female who had supposedly taken her and drugged her. Sheesh..

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Lots of women driving purple Kia Sportage's in Tracy, I see.

Nothing to see here, move along...

I doubt there are many that are known to take young children without permission though.

imo

[MIMOMMY]

Thanks for the clarification Ocean --- I still dont understand why even if the local police dismissed it, why the parents didnt continue to push for justice - county/state -

[Momtofour]

The family reported it. It seems the police are the ones that dropped the ball on this one and dismissed it because of the mother.

So another little child that was kidnapped and they didn't do anything about it because it was a female who had supposedly taken her and drugged her. Sheesh..

imo

Just the thought that maybe none of this had to happen is making me sick.

[JoeFromLB]

I doubt there are many that are known to take young children without permission though.

imo

I agree. I was engaging in a little sarcasm there.

[travelgal]

I wonder if LE is interviewing every young girl's (and boy's) families as to suspicious happenings. If not, they need to! There are just too many hinky things about MH and her family.

[MCDRAW]

I believe that MH took that little girl knowing about the Mother's problems. She knew she could blame it on the Mother and no one would suspect her. Who are the police going to suspect a drug addict or a sunday school teacher? It apparently worked in her favor that time.

[nursebeeme]

I agree. I was engaging in a little sarcasm there.
LOL...I got it, Joe (perhaps because nurse can tend to run on the sarcastic side as well...)

[lngrid]

Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

(respectfully snipped for length by lngrid)

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.


Here's what Wikipedia has to say about benzodiazepines:
The benzodiazepines (pronounced /ˌbɛnzoʊdaɪˈæzɨpiːn/, often abbreviated to "benzos") are a commonly prescribed class of psychoactive drugs with varying sedative, hypnotic, anxiolytic (antianxiety), anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant and amnesic properties.[1] Benzodiazepines are useful in treating anxiety, insomnia, agitation, seizures and muscle spasms, as well as alcohol withdrawal. They can also be used before certain medical procedures such as endoscopies or dental work where tension and anxiety are present and prior to some unpleasant medical procedures in order to induce sedation and amnesia for the procedure.

Okay. Am I the only one whose stomach just rolled over? :eek:

Was her mom too drunk/drugged to check her for molestation?
Did the doctors check?
WHY NOT?

Here's hoping this news doesn't create a climate where the defense can ask for a change of venue.

[Columbo]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

Huckaby told a Sacramento news station that police questioned her about the incident reported on January 17 by a family in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby lived in the same complex, also where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived before police found her dead body on April 10. Police arrested Huckaby four days later on suspicion on kidnapping, raping and killing Sandra.

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby the day after farmworkers found Sandra’s body inside a suitcase dumped in a dairy lagoon.

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.

What a pity! If only they had pursued it further.
Wow---what if the defense tries to use this at trial to tarnish the Tracy PD?

[Columbo]

Hi Ingrid: Re change of venue for the trial: I am sure the defense is going to ask for that anyhow.

[joga]

so was this another kidnap or did the family let their daughter go with her and then when she brought her back, they noticed and took her to hospital? i can't tell from reading the article, anyone know? This part of the case is really interesting to me, i hope we get more details, and TPD better have a REALLY good reason for why she wouldn't have been arrested for this. I know, I know...they probably didn't have enough evidence...

[JoeFromLB]

A drug that "induces sedation and AMNESIA" before an "unpleasant...procedure". Wow.

I hope that mother is going to take her child in for a careful medical examination, and a talk with a good therapist.

[nursebeeme]

Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

bold is mine.. When I read that part about the police "dismissal" closer I noticed that it was speculation on the part of the neighbor.. I am not ready to think the police did anything like that yet.. If they DID they will have a lot to answer to in the coming weeks and months..

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=51887@kovr.dayport.com
just for reference... the interview with cbs13/Melissa. She talks about the incident toward the end of the coversation... that is, until the reporter's phone battery dies (damm!)

[twirlygirl]

I believe that MH took that little girl knowing about the Mother's problems. She knew she could blame it on the Mother and no one would suspect her. Who are the police going to suspect a drug addict or a sunday school teacher? It apparently worked in her favor that time.

How sad but soooo true :(

I can't imagine why LE didn't pursue this. I guess we can all say would of, could of, should of, at this point. But perhaps if they did SC might not be where she is today.

If I were LE at this point which I hope this has been done already is they pursue this report and see if she was molested as well.

MH is beyond sick and I'm sorry to say this...because everyone is innocent til proven guilty but I sincerely hope she burns in hell.

Still can't imagine a mother can do this to any child :(

Especially being a mother herself.

[ella's mom]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about benzodiazepines:


Okay. Am I the only one whose stomach just rolled over? :eek:

Was her mom too drunk/drugged to check her for molestation?
Did the doctors check?
WHY NOT?

Here's hoping this news doesn't create a climate where the defense can ask for a change of venue.

I hope a rape kit was used. You'd think yes since she was tested for drugs in her system.

As far as change of venue. The defense will probably request it based on all of the media coverage. Not just this report.

If the drug info being tied to MH is true, I am sure they will ask the court to keep that information out of the trial.

JMO

[Juliana]

What a pity! If only they had pursued it further.
Wow---what if the defense tries to use this at trial to tarnish the Tracy PD?
I wouldn't expect the defense to bring this up.:blowkiss:

[JoeFromLB]

Its ok everyone --- She didnt "mean" to do it -- its all part of her "downward spiral" that started when her highschool sweetheart broke her heart -- No reason to be alarmed

Just a few fires
False Rape Allegations
Drugged and Kidnapped Missing Children
Theft
Oh.......and a rape and murder.......
:furious:


Heres my question - WHAT parent says --- Ohhhhh nevermind the fact that she kidnapped my child, and drugged her...we know she has a drug/alcohol problem.....just dont do it again? :eek: Are you kidding me? Im normally a very friendly, easy going, caring person, but I'll tell you one thing - you dont EVER want to be the person who touches my child in anyway.....PERIOD!

I'll bet that dance coach in HS is now regretting not approving MH for the team back then...That kind of disappointment could easily turn any young woman into a vicious murderer.

/sarcasm

[goofeegyrl]

Hi Ingrid: Re change of venue for the trial: I am sure the defense is going to ask for that anyhow.

I am sure you are correct. The gag order was requested in part so that they could avoid the cost of a change in venue, but I find it hard to believe that they are going to be able to avoid it.

[ella's mom]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

bold is mine.. When I read that part about the police "dismissal" closer I noticed that it was speculation on the part of the neighbor.. I am not ready to think the police did anything like that yet.. If they DID they will have a lot to answer to in the coming weeks and months..

I am with you nurse. I think that might be speculation as well. MH herself admitted to being questioned. If it was just dismissed they wouldn't have bothered questioning anyone. My guess is MH talked to them and said child was perfectly fine when she dropped her off. They couldn't prove who gave drug and known drug user seemed less credible than Sunday School Teacher (unfortunately).

[Kat]

What the ?

Who is this woman?

She is....

Good God the only person that comes to mind that she is even close to in the level of audacity and depravity is Bundy. She is definately going to be one for the books~ not because she is a female sex offender that murdered~ but because this is where I have to use the phrase "I think this is the tip of the iceberg".

I'm just sitting here and shaking my head.

[SeriouslySearching]

Very interesting. Glad Tracy Press finally came up with something. ;)

By the way~ it wouldn't be the first time a report was written wrong (concerning the blue eyes). 7 yo, dark hair, and 45 lbs. would appear to match Sandra tho.

[Kat]

I bet you JDB was right...I bet Sandra will also be found to have drugs in her system. What do you all think?

[ella's mom]

I bet you JDB was right...I bet Sandra will also be found to have drugs in her system. What do you all think?
Yep. I am wondering if cause of death will actually be drug overdose and that's the "accident" MH refers to.

JMO

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree. I was engaging in a little sarcasm there.

Oops, sorry Joe..:blowkiss:

imo

[joga]

I bet you JDB was right...I bet Sandra will also be found to have drugs in her system. What do you all think?

i think so too, and as disgusting of one as it will be, i think it will be a big part of her defense.

[Wannabesleuth]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

[Kat]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

:eek: !

[ella's mom]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

Wow. That would be an interesting turn of events wouldn't it?

[oceanblueeyes]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

Maybe that is why he was so belligerent when the police came because of the way they dismissed what happened to his daughter.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Yep. I am wondering if cause of death will actually be drug overdose and that's the "accident" MH refers to.

JMO

She may try to sugarcoat it but it is no accident.

She had no legal rights to administer drugs to Sandra, period.

I am not sure she died from a drug overdose. Melissa's grandmom said she returned from the church in about an hour iirc.

So for her to get Sandra's body ready and in the suitcase and then go throw Sandra in the pond doesnt leave much time for the murder to happen.

imo

[mama2echo]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about benzodiazepines:


Okay. Am I the only one whose stomach just rolled over? :eek:

Was her mom too drunk/drugged to check her for molestation?
Did the doctors check?
WHY NOT?

Here's hoping this news doesn't create a climate where the defense can ask for a change of venue.

oh WOW...a little girl was drugged with that?!?! i had that when i had my endoscopy done last year and that stuff knocked me on my butt! i didnt remember ANYTHING from the time it took effect(they injected it, told me and i looked at the wall and everything went squiggly) till i woke up in recovery in MID SENTENCE at that...had trouble putting my clothes back on and getting to the car(even with DHs help!) and then i went home and slept all day...

oh wow... :furious:

[Leila]

JVM is covering this story right now!

[oceanblueeyes]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about benzodiazepines:


Okay. Am I the only one whose stomach just rolled over? :eek:

Was her mom too drunk/drugged to check her for molestation?
Did the doctors check?
WHY NOT?

Here's hoping this news doesn't create a climate where the defense can ask for a change of venue.

Huckaby may have still been in the grooming stage. She may not have left evidence of molestation. Forgive me for saying this but even if she performed a sexual act on the little girl there wouldn't necessarily be visible evidence for the doctors to see.

And if the little girl was out of it due to being sedated and totally unaware then she wouldn't remember anything.

It is no coincidence that there is another possible victim imo. There may be even more but they are too fearful or ashamed to come forward or they may have been drugged too and don't remember.

What a low life piece of scum this woman is.

And this may be only the tip of the iceberg.

imoo

[Kat]

JVM with issues is covering MH right now, bbl...

[JDB]

I bet you JDB was right...I bet Sandra will also be found to have drugs in her system. What do you all think?

Kat Thank you!!!zIf you recall the story I heard was Sandra and two others before Sandra went missing.I am will to bet Sandra has Drugs in her system.

[Lovejac]

I haven't read through the thread yet but, I want to :clap: :clap: for Jennifer Wadsworth from the Tracy Press!!!!

So, the report wasn't taken seriously because the mother of the little girl had alcohol on her breath? Seriously??? Unbelievable, shame on that officer.

[Columbo]

I wouldn't expect the defense to bring this up.:blowkiss:

You're probably right. I guess I was thinking how OJ's defense team did everything they could to make the LAPD look like inept, racist liars. Similarly it seemed as if MH's defense might want to try to discount the Tracy PD any way they possibly could.

[ChristineD]

Did anyone listening to this interview listen to how matter-of-fact MH is? She talks in a the same tone about the suitcase, in the same tone as saying her grandfather could not be part of anything like this, and the same tone as talking about taking the girl to a park. She seems, by definition, a classic sociopath.

[Kat]

Kat Thank you!!!zIf you recall the story I heard was Sandra and two others before Sandra went missing.I am will to bet Sandra has Drugs in her system.

:blowkiss: you are a wonderful sleuth JDB, you brought us that story a long time ago!

Yes, I remember and it breaks my heart that there is yet another little girl out there that was drugged by MH too (we have to wait until our crack reporter breaks that story for us to state it as fact, but we certainly are in the know from you and your sources JDB)!

[Kat]

Did anyone listening to this interview listen to how matter-of-fact MH is? She talks in a the same tone about the suitcase, in the same tone as saying her grandfather could not be part of anything like this, and the same tone as talking about taking the girl to a park. She seems, by definition, a classic sociopath.

:balloons: welcome to websleuths ChristineD

[6thcents]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

Do you live close? If you don't mind me asking?

[michellesmith]

Unfortunately, JVM didn't have any additional information on it. They did discuss this on her show but said they have no independent confirmation on this story of the 7-yo little girl. But, they are working on it.

[FishingFunnyFrog]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/56/m_ac76763c1ef4485394574b4f9743b1bcSorry if this was already posted...I haven't been keeping up to speed in the past few days. But is this a picture of Melissa and 2 young girls? (makes me sick if it is her!) I found the picture on her brother's myspace but it's too small for me to tell for sure if it's MH. Maybe someone here has some photo enhancing skills?

EDIT: Sorry the pic isn't showing up. It is on CL's myspace (MH's brother) for anyone who is interested in checking it out.

[adnoid]

...So for her to get Sandra's body ready and in the suitcase and then go throw Sandra in the pond doesnt leave much time for the murder to happen...

I don't know about the rest, but from the church to the pond & back to the MHP could be done in 10-15 minutes obeying the speed limit. I drove it one way last week.

[6thcents]

It looks bad for MH though doesn't it.Good for the press to find something. Now people may go to the police,the right people, to get things looked into, sqeekey wheels a friend of mine once said.MH better turn over her cell phone records for our team here at WB's
to see where she was??? Wait thats another thread.She is in jail right where she should
be.No matter what may have happened to her.

[gitana1]

So this is a different girl. The child in this report had blue eyes and Sandra had brown eyes. I had heard that the girl from the previous incident was also Sandra. I wonder if the police thought the girls mother drugged her because of her alcohol and drug problem. It sure seems that where ever MH is trouble is sure to follow. There is the rape where then guy was cleared. Two different theft charges. An arson that hasn't been solved. Two different reports of being abused by men. Sandra and now a drugged child. Either she is the unluckiest person alive or she has some very deep mental problems.

Oh she's disturbed alright. She's also a huge, attention seeking liar. I guess that's what's called crazy like a fox.
You know, it's no shame to have emotional problems. You get help, you work on it, you avoid relationships and other entanglements until you are healthy enough to deal with them. What you don't do is act out your problems in a sadistic, inhuman manner, taking the innocence and sacred life of another in the process. That's when the shame should come in. That's when my sympathy for the disturbed person does right down the toilet.

P.S. (the "you" is general and is not directed at DairyGirl or any poster).

[adnoid]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about benzodiazepines...

The group includes Rohypnol, otherwise known as Rufinol - not sold in the US but illegally used as a "date rape" drug.

[SeriouslySearching]

:blowkiss: you are a wonderful sleuth JDB, you brought us that story a long time ago!

Yes, I remember and it breaks my heart that there is yet another little girl out there that was drugged by MH too (we have to wait until our crack reporter breaks that story for us to state it as fact, but we certainly are in the know from you and your sources JDB)!Maybe JDB's source needs to be contacting the Tracy Press and Jennifer Wadworth! Having a heads up on these things could produce faster results in reporting them. ;)

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know about the rest, but from the church to the pond & back to the MHP could be done in 10-15 minutes obeying the speed limit. I drove it one way last week.

Thanks.

I was thinking more in line of the time for the drugs to be in effect and enough drugs given that she would die from them pretty quickly leaving her time to put her in the suitcase...go to the pond and then return to her grandparents home. Iirc, Connie said she was gone about an hour.

I don't know anything about drugs, legal or otherwise. How long would it take MH to render Sandra unconscious?

imo

[SeriouslySearching]

The group includes Rohypnol, otherwise known as Rufinol - not sold in the US but illegally used as a "date rape" drug.Wow. I didn't realize that is what they were talking about. Thanks.

It would certainly explain having no memories of who gave her the drug or what happened for a considerable time.

[adnoid]

Wow. I didn't realize that is what they were talking about. Thanks.

It would certainly explain having no memories of who gave her the drug or what happened for a considerable time.

Yes, several members of that drug group can induce anterograde amnesia (meaning you do not remember new events that occur while you are under the influence). They can also cause death if you take too much.

[adnoid]

Wow. I didn't realize that is what they were talking about. Thanks.

It would certainly explain having no memories of who gave her the drug or what happened for a considerable time.

Here you go. (http://www.drugs.com/rohypnol.html)

[Kat]

I also had a thought, if she were giving children adult doses of medication their little bodies might not be able to handle all of that. Just wanted to throw that out there too.

[oceanblueeyes]

Did Alleged Killer of Sandra Cantu Abduct Another Little Girl?

By Howard Breuer

Originally posted Monday April 20, 2009 06:30 PM EDT

Sandra Cantu may not have been the first young girl that accused killer Melissa Huckaby abducted at her Tracy, Calif., mobile home park.

Her hometown newspaper, the Tracy Press, reports that police there learned in January of a woman who allegedly led a 7-year-old girl from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park to a nearby park, kept her there for four hours and gave her drugs.

Drugs in Her System

The report says that the girl's family then took her to the hospital, where doctors found benzodiazepines (a class of drugs that includes Valium and Librium) in her bloodstream. The newspaper reports that the suspect in the case drove the same type of car as Huckaby – a purple Kia Sportage – and that police have now tied that incident to Huckaby.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman tells PEOPLE that he has heard about the report, but he cannot comment on it. He says that all police reports linked to Huckaby are now under seal.

Huckaby, a Sunday school teacher and the granddaughter of a local pastor, is due back in court April 24 to enter a plea to charges that she killed Sandra Cantu, 8, who played with Huckaby's 5-year-old daughter on March 27. Huckaby allegedly stuffed Cantu's body into a suitcase that was dumped in a nearby agricultural pond, then reported the suitcase stolen.

Exhume Remains?

Huckaby is also charged with rape with a foreign object. Sheneman tells PEOPLE that before Huckaby enters her plea, the court will rule on her lawyer's request to exhume Cantu's body for a week so defense expert Dr. Terri Haddix can examine the remains and testify on the rape allegation.

"I believe and allege such an examination is extremely crucial and material to Ms. Huckaby's defense," Huckaby’s lawyer, San Joaquin County deputy public defender Sam Behar wrote in his motion.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20273817,00.html

[Wannabesleuth]

Do you live close? If you don't mind me asking?


Yes, I live in Tracy. Even though the days have been sunny, there's been a dark cloud over us since this happened.

[snapdragon]

I can't believe Tracy PD wrote this one off. Shame on them. I mean, if my daughter fell and hurt herself and we were at home having a dinner party with wine involved, I"D have wine on my breath at the hosptial. GIVE ME A BREAK. and EVEN if the mom is a total drunk and drug addict, you ALWAYS investigate a child who's been drugged. I mean, even if they thought she got into her mom's stuff, you investigate!!! I just cannot believe this one. Can't wait to hear more. They could've potentially prevented the murder of Sandra Cantu. Shame on tracy PD>

[elainebenice]

This may have already been mentioned, so forgive me if so, but has anyone else noticed that the term "muscle relaxant" has been used specifically in most reports about the alleged earlier incident with the other child? This jumped out at me because I don't really think of benzos as muscle relaxants, rather it has been my experience that you would run across benzos more frequently in the form of xanax, valium, klonopin, etc as what the average US citizen may have a prescription for and possibly benzos that are more frequently abused/sold/traded/available. I am NOT a doctor, so I wanted to check on my unresearched opinion..........according to Wikipedia (of course its 100% correct :)) there are only 2 benzos that would have a therapeutic use of muscle relaxant - Diazepam (Valium) and Tetrazepam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines


This information doesn't really have much value in the grand scheme of things, but I thought it was interesting and would place my money on Valium as the most likely drug *allegedly* used.

[snapdragon]

Yes, several members of that drug group can induce anterograde amnesia (meaning you do not remember new events that occur while you are under the influence). They can also cause death if you take too much.

Yes, think- VERSED. They give it to you before surgery so you WON"T remember the surgery!

I am hoping Sandra was drugged before the rape. Poor, poor, baby.

Tracy PD must take responsibility for not taking this seriously. I smell a lawsuit by Sandra's family

[snapdragon]

This may have already been mentioned, so forgive me if so, but has anyone else noticed that the term "muscle relaxant" has been used specifically in most reports about the alleged earlier incident with the other child? This jumped out at me because I don't really think of benzos as muscle relaxants, rather it has been my experience that you would run across benzos more frequently in the form of xanax, valium, klonopin, etc as what the average US citizen may have a prescription for and possibly benzos that are more frequently abused/sold/traded/available. I am NOT a doctor, so I wanted to check on my unresearched opinion..........according to Wikipedia (of course its 100% correct :)) there are only 2 benzos that would have a therapeutic use of muscle relaxant - Diazepam (Valium) and Tetrazepam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines


This information doesn't really have much value in the grand scheme of things, but I thought it was interesting and would place my money on Valium as the most likely drug *allegedly* used.

You are correct. It could be any number of drugs that act as muscle relaxants. When I had a horrible spasm in my neck muscle, the ER dr. gave me Valium- said it was the best "muscle relaxant". My mom just got an RX for Soma, which is also a VERY powerful muscle relaxant. She sustained whiplash in an auto accident last weekend. To take the Soma, she has to stay home, no driving, no working. It's a strong one.

[arielilane]

I don't know about the rest, but from the church to the pond & back to the MHP could be done in 10-15 minutes obeying the speed limit. I drove it one way last week.
Thank you, adnoid for taking the time to do that for us.:blowkiss:

By the way your avatar is hilarious.

[Winnow]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

That would certainly explain why TPD towed Sinclair's vehicles and searched his home as an immediate POI!

They correctly remembered a similar case, but failed to realize that a even a woman with a driking problem might have been telling them the truth back in January.

Then again.... Will the Sinclairs and MH turn out have more involvement with one another than we know? In this case, anything is possible.

[KoldKase]

A couple of thoughts have occurred to me while reading all your excellent input and questions; let me say first I KNOW this is gossip and speculation at this point. So these are nothing more than me wondering what the heck is going on in this case.

Regarding the man, Sinclair and the child who was drugged and taken to the park, I wonder: if the child is his, did he either gave Huckaby permission to take the child or did he tell the cops he did. That would pretty much tie the cops hands as far as kidnapping charges. I can't imagine how they let the drugs found in her system go, though, NOT AT ALL.

Wait, I just remembered: rohypnol leaves the system very quickly and is very hard to trace, right? Maybe that's why the child was gone so long with Huckaby, and why the cops couldn't press charges?

If any of this turns out to be true, maybe Sinclair helped cover up for Huckaby for some sinister reason, or maybe just because he liked her and is a truly rotten father, but didn't know what she really was up to. Obviously we won't know for some time, if ever, since this involves a minor child.

What I wonder about the drugged child, like everyone else, is if she was examined by a trained nurse examiner for sexual assault cases, or by some medical personnel, a doctor, pediatric psychiatrist...? I can't imagine she wouldn't have been. Not in this day and age.

And finally, I wonder if Huckaby was doing a "dry run", so to speak, maybe without any sexual assault, to see if she could get away with it, to see how the drug affected the child, what the child remembered, etc.

[ella's mom]

I can't believe Tracy PD wrote this one off. Shame on them. I mean, if my daughter fell and hurt herself and we were at home having a dinner party with wine involved, I"D have wine on my breath at the hosptial. GIVE ME A BREAK. and EVEN if the mom is a total drunk and drug addict, you ALWAYS investigate a child who's been drugged. I mean, even if they thought she got into her mom's stuff, you investigate!!! I just cannot believe this one. Can't wait to hear more. They could've potentially prevented the murder of Sandra Cantu. Shame on tracy PD>
Don't go after Tracy PD yet. We don't know the whole story. We only have the article stating MH's side and a "source" telling the paper that it was dismissed due to alcohol on Mom's breath,

[KoldKase]

I was reading the original article posted at the beginning of this thread when I got to the comments under it. I realize that the drug found in the child was FOUND in her blood, so "no grounds for arrest" couldn't be because they didn't find any drug, as I had wondered. I'm assuming the police log report actually states the drug was found in the child at the ER and has a hospital lab report to back that up.

I'm confused. Obviously.

In the comment section, from an anoymous person, of course: A person who lives in the Orchard Estates community says that the police went door to door to find the missing child in January, and the residents were told she was found at her "friend's house". That sounds like Huckaby's child and house, of course. Did Huckaby use her little girl and parents' religious affiliations to lure children?

A couple of things about this article bother me. One, the "Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park" can therefore techincally be called A PARK. So is that the "park" in question getting mixed up with WHERE the little girl was taken? Or not?

And this really bothers me about the article: it's poorly constructed and keeps bouncing back and forth between the case of the drugged child in January and Sandra's disappearance and murder. The reporter doesn't always make it clear which case she's referring to at times, so I had to go back and reread. Again, confusing as to exactly what happened. I wonder if the police report is that boondoggled.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[Winnow]

I heard an unconfirmed rumor through someone that lives in the trailer park that the little girl in question was allegedly Christian Sinclair's daughter. I heard this over spring break.

Question: Does Christian Sinclair even have a child of this age ? What a grim thought. He was described as a violent man with a drinking problem.

[oceanblueeyes]

Question: Does Christian Sinclair even have a child of this age ? What a grim thought. He was described as a violent man with a drinking problem.

I don't think this is his child. They are only talking about the little girl's mom and grandmother.

If she was a child of Sinclair's the media would be all over that connection.

imo

[snapdragon]

I was reading the original article posted at the beginning of this thread when I got to the comments under it. I realize that the drug found in the child was FOUND in her blood, so "no grounds for arrest" couldn't be because they didn't find any drug, as I had wondered. I'm assuming the police log report actually states the drug was found in the child at the ER and has a hospital lab report to back that up.

I'm confused. Obviously.

In the comment section, from an anoymous person, of course: A person who lives in the Orchard Estates community says that the police went door to door to find the missing child in January, and the residents were told she was found at her "friend's house". That sounds like Huckaby's child and house, of course. Did Huckaby use her little girl and parents' religious affiliations to lure children?

A couple of things about this article bother me. One, the "Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park" can therefore techincally be called A PARK. So is that the "park" in question getting mixed up with WHERE the little girl was taken? Or not?

And this really bothers me about the article: it's poorly constructed and keeps bouncing back and forth between the case of the drugged child in January and Sandra's disappearance and murder. The reporter doesn't always make it clear which case she's referring to at times, so I had to go back and reread. Again, confusing as to exactly what happened. I wonder if the police report is that boondoggled.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


KoldKase,

I think it was not the MHP they were referring to. They say MH "took" her in her car. I would not think she would need a car to stay within the MHP. It is not that large of an area. JMO... has not been clarified. Maybe it was the Clover Road Baptist Church park? (being snarky).

[snapdragon]

Except for the mention of blue eyes in the news report, this girl is sounding a lot like Sandra... 45lbs, 7y/o (in Jan), mom/grandmother in charge of her... hmmmm.

[KoldKase]

KoldKase,

I think it was not the MHP they were referring to. They say MH "took" her in her car. I would not think she would need a car to stay within the MHP. It is not that large of an area. JMO... has not been clarified. Maybe it was the Clover Road Baptist Church park? (being snarky).

Thanks, I think you're right. I was reading the other articles on the "confession" thread on this topic and they clarified it was a "park" Huckaby took her child and the other child TO.

One of those articles also gives a better description of how this unfolded, and it seems more ambiguous, if possible. I can see up to a point how LE decided not to arrest anyone. But the point which I CAN'T get past is the drug in the child's bloodstream. Even if it was four hours later when the mother took the child to the ER, then why wasn't that MOTHER interrogated, the child questioned extensively by professionals?

I don't get it. Even if it was deemed to be an "accident" and the child took the drug from her mother's supply or Huckaby's cabinet--which would be very strange in itself--why hasn't that been said in the police report? "Accidental drug ingestion"...something like that?

Oh well, LE is not talking, since it involves a minor and now Huckaby's murder charges.

But the neighbor said she was told BY THE FBI not to talk about this child drugging. When did the FBI get into this investigation? Maybe there IS a child porn ring connection we won't hear about if and until they have exhausted that...?

[Kat]

Except for the mention of blue eyes in the news report, this girl is sounding a lot like Sandra... 45lbs, 7y/o (in Jan), mom/grandmother in charge of her... hmmmm.

Bouncing off that Idea with another snapdragon...could be the "type" look she likes? 7-8 yrs old, female, light hair...?

Okay that just grossed me out ugh.

[txsvicki]

If M. took this child without permission off the street and transported her to another location it should have been kidnapping. She may have started out at the park til the child was drugged, but I doubt if she stayed at the park for 4 hours. To dismiss it just because the little girl's mother had alcohol on her breath and meds in her purse is horrible. Anyone might have a belt or two if they couldn't find their little girl for hours.

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks, I think you're right. I was reading the other articles on the "confession" thread on this topic and they clarified it was a "park" Huckaby took her child and the other child TO.

One of those articles also gives a better description of how this unfolded, and it seems more ambiguous, if possible. I can see up to a point how LE decided not to arrest anyone. But the point which I CAN'T get past is the drug in the child's bloodstream. Even if it was four hours later when the mother took the child to the ER, then why wasn't that MOTHER interrogated, the child questioned extensively by professionals?

I don't get it. Even if it was deemed to be an "accident" and the child took the drug from her mother's supply or Huckaby's cabinet--which would be very strange in itself--why hasn't that been said in the police report? "Accidental drug ingestion"...something like that?

Oh well, LE is not talking, since it involves a minor and now Huckaby's murder charges.

But the neighbor said she was told BY THE FBI not to talk about this child drugging. When did the FBI get into this investigation? Maybe there IS a child porn ring connection we won't hear about if and until they have exhausted that...?


Sgt. S. says the child being in the park that had drugs in her system is now a part of the Huckaby case so I am sure the FBI is going back and investigating everything and has told everyone not to comment on the particulars..

I am sure the police did not think she got the drugs from her mother since it was her mother that took her to the hospital.

[adnoid]

...Tracy PD must take responsibility for not taking this seriously. I smell a lawsuit by Sandra's family

There may be indignation and repercussions, but I know of no case in the US where a police force has been held liable for failing to prevent a crime.

[Kat]

KoldKase the FBI was called in when it was determined that Sandra was not just missing but had been abducted. IIRC TPD asked for their assistance.

[Salem]

Except for the mention of blue eyes in the news report, this girl is sounding a lot like Sandra... 45lbs, 7y/o (in Jan), mom/grandmother in charge of her... hmmmm.

I don't think it was Sandra because on NG tonight and JVM they said the police did not take the mother seriously because she had alcohol on her breath and some kind of drug issue. I don't know... but I don't think Sandra's mom drinks. Again, I don't know, I just don't think the description fits.

Salem

[nursebeeme]

Shorter-acting benzodiazepines, used to manage insomnia, include estazolam (ProSom), flurazepam (Dalmane), quazepam (Doral), temazepam (Restoril) and triazolam (Halcion).


Benzodiazepines with longer durations of action include alprazolam (Xanax), chlordiazepoxide (Librium), clorazepate (Tranxene), diazepam (Valium), halazepam (Paxipam), lorazepam (Ativan), oxazepam (Serax) and prazepam (Centrax).
These longer acting drugs are primarily used for the treatment of general anxiety. Midazolam (Versed) is available in the United States only in an injectable form for an adjunct to anesthesia. Clonazepam (Klonopin) is recommended for use in the treatment of seizure disorders.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/benz01.htm

If I were LE I would be looking in the Lawless trailer for any of the bolded benzos. I think that Melissa would have used something close at hand/easy to use. Versed is out as it is injectible and used in hospitals for procedures and IV conscious sedation.

Over the last week I have pondered what mental condition Melissa may have been treated for, and coupled with the alleged cutting by her high school friend I wondered if she might have been bipolar. Food for thought... but there are many benzos that are used in the treatment of bpd including:
(http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Librium (2) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Halcion (3) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/halcion/Halcion.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Dalmane (3) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/dalmane/Dalmane.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Valium (3) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/valium/Valium.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Ativan (7) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/ativan/Ativan.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Serax (3) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/serax/Serax.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Klonopin / Rivotril (6) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/klonopinrivotril/Klonopin_Rivotril.htm) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)Xanax (6) (http://bipolar.about.com/od/xanax/Xanax.htm)
(http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)
http://bipolar.about.com/od/benzodiazepines/Benzodiazepines.htm

cutting and bpd:
Self-injury can also be a symptom for psychiatric problems like borderline personality disorder, anxiety disorder, bipolar (http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/default.htm) disorder, schizophrenia (http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/default.htm),

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/cutting-self-harm-signs-treatment

What is also interesting to note is that pyromania and cleptomania can occur during the manic phases of bpd. Melissa has engaged in both of these activities.....(((alledgedly))

[adnoid]

...Wait, I just remembered: rohypnol leaves the system very quickly and is very hard to trace, right?...

Yes, and with the loss of memory people do not think there is any reason they should be checked out.

To think of these substances being administered to a child makes me want to do some very bad things to some very bad people.

[snapdragon]

Bouncing off that Idea with another snapdragon...could be the "type" look she likes? 7-8 yrs old, female, light hair...?

Okay that just grossed me out ugh.

I'm wondering if it actually was Sandra, and the press got the eye color wrong. Wouldn't be the first time they got facts wrong.

[Kat]

I posted this to another thread, but once I said to a Doc (not army doc) back in 2003 that I was having "a bit of anxiety and couldn't sleep" after my DH's first deployment.

Well one of the prescriptions was for Klonpin(?spelling). One dose was enough to tell me that I really didn't need that and yoga was a better fit for me...but what I remember is that stuff made me not remember a dang thing...period.

I think it's a benzo and if one dose did that to my hefty behind what would it do to a 45 pound child?

[nursebeeme]

I can't believe Tracy PD wrote this one off. Shame on them. I mean, if my daughter fell and hurt herself and we were at home having a dinner party with wine involved, I"D have wine on my breath at the hosptial. GIVE ME A BREAK. and EVEN if the mom is a total drunk and drug addict, you ALWAYS investigate a child who's been drugged. I mean, even if they thought she got into her mom's stuff, you investigate!!! I just cannot believe this one. Can't wait to hear more. They could've potentially prevented the murder of Sandra Cantu. Shame on tracy PD>

bold is mine. I couldn't belive it either (and glad I didn't):




A family in the Orchard Estate Mobile Home park, where Huckaby and Cantu lived, reported the 7-year old girl missing on January 17th.

Police say the girl was gone from around 1:30 p.m. to around 5 p.m. when the child's mother called police.
Tracy Police found the girl at a park with Huckaby.
Huckaby reportedly returned the girl to her mother and police left soon after without making any arrests.

A few hours later, the family took the girl to a local hospital where a blood test showed she was under the influence of the muscle relaxant Benzodiazepines.
The child's mother reported the findings to police.
But police said they were not able to prove that Huckaby gave the girl the drugs due to the time that had passed before the girl was taken to the hospital.


http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Sandra-Cantu-Suspect-May-Be-Link-to-Anot=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

I would think that if Police found the child slobbering and incoherent they would have followed up immediately.. that is telling me that the drug was given to her shortly before LE arrived and that it was a longer acting benzo that had a longer onset of action with a longer half life (see above post for long acting benzos). I am thinking..... and just nurse~like thinking that she was given Librium or Klonopin (maybe Ativan or Xanax) and I would place a bet, just a small bet, that Huckaby was on one of those drugs for bpd. (just a guess/thought)

[Kat]

Nurse from what I know about BPD it can run the gamut on a scale of symptoms.

I would wager if MH was BPD (with other diagnosis also) she a full on 10 on that scale.

[Winnow]

Except for the mention of blue eyes in the news report, this girl is sounding a lot like Sandra... 45lbs, 7y/o (in Jan), mom/grandmother in charge of her... hmmmm.

I had been thinking that it was Sandra all along, too.... But, now...

If you read through the "Comments" at the end of the latest article, one person says that the 7 year old is NOT Sandra. The person says they can't say more, but that it was a different child in January.

I try to read through the Tracy paper's "Comments" because I am always hopeful that a "local" will post truth in a venue where they can be "anonymous".

[KoldKase]

Since we know Huckaby had been given a psych exam and part of her probation terms was that she attend some kind of counseling/therapy for a year, it's a good bet she was on some kind of drug like these being discussed, and possibly more than one.

[txsvicki]

If Melissa was already diagnosed with bipolar disorder would she have been prescribed a benzo instead of something like abilify for mania or even lithium as a mood stabilizer? I wouldn't even think that an obsessive compulsive would be given these since they're given very short term and for anxiety. They're very addictive and no doctor should prescribe them to actually treat bipolar. She probably stole them, or an actual muscle relaxant as was reported to have been found in the child's system from a relative.

[snapdragon]

There may be indignation and repercussions, but I know of no case in the US where a police force has been held liable for failing to prevent a crime.

Even if Sandra was the girl drugged in January?? I am still not convinced it was not her. Too many similarities. the physical description is the same, withe the exception of blue eyes. and when MH was blabbing to the press before her arrest, she did speak of this event, saying the GRANDMA had MH's cell phone #, and the MOM was gone. Another 7 y/o (in Jan), 45lb, dark hair, in the care of Grandma and Mom in the same MHP? Just seems odd to me.

You are probably right about the lawsuit, but if I were Sandra's mom, I'd be pretty pissed and wanted some kind of explanation.

[Kat]

Oh I think I made a mistake I thought BPD was border line personality disorder? Good grief I need to go to bed, I didn't know it was bi-polar disorder....geez.

[snapdragon]

If Melissa was already diagnosed with bipolar disorder would she have been prescribed a benzo instead of something like abilify for mania or even lithium as a mood stabilizer? I wouldn't even think that an obsessive compulsive would be given these since they're given very short term and for anxiety. They're very addictive and no doctor should prescribe them to actually treat bipolar. She probably stole them, or an actual muscle relaxant as was reported to have been found in the child's system from a relative.

Did I miss something? Do we have confirmation that MH was diagnosed with bipolar in the past?

[future criminologist]

can we change the title of this thread, please? it's a bit misleading. I read it and thought she had been tied to another child's disappearance.

[txsvicki]

Oh I think I made a mistake I thought BPD was border line personality disorder? Good grief I need to go to bed, I didn't know it was bi-polar disorder....geez.


Oops, I'm sorry, I think I made this same mistake with intitials BPD before. I was the one thinking bipolar after reading Nurse's posts about the manic phases of bipolar.

[Salem]

Even if Sandra was the girl drugged in January?? I am still not convinced it was not her. Too many similarities. the physical description is the same, withe the exception of blue eyes. and when MH was blabbing to the press before her arrest, she did speak of this event, saying the GRANDMA had MH's cell phone #, and the MOM was gone. Another 7 y/o (in Jan), 45lb, dark hair, in the care of Grandma and Mom in the same MHP? Just seems odd to me.

You are probably right about the lawsuit, but if I were Sandra's mom, I'd be pretty pissed and wanted some kind of explanation.

But, do you think if the Jan girl was Sandra, her mom, grandma and grandpa would allow her to continue playing at the Lawless house? Given that the child's family reported her missing and then took her to the hospital, I would think that this child was warned NEVER to go to MH's again and to NEVER get in a car with her again. Of course, I am just speculating based on what I would do.... so.....

Salem

[snapdragon]

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/benz01.htm

If I were LE I would be looking in the Lawless trailer for any of the bolded benzos. I think that Melissa would have used something close at hand/easy to use. Versed is out as it is injectible and used in hospitals for procedures and IV conscious sedation.

Over the last week I have pondered what mental condition Melissa may have been treated for, and coupled with the alleged cutting by her high school friend I wondered if she might have been bipolar. Food for thought... but there are many benzos that are used in the treatment of bpd including:
(http://bipolar.about.com/od/librium/Librium.htm)
http://bipolar.about.com/od/benzodiazepines/Benzodiazepines.htm

cutting and bpd:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/cutting-self-harm-signs-treatment

What is also interesting to note is that pyromania and cleptomania can occur during the manic phases of bpd. Melissa has engaged in both of these activities.....(((alledgedly))

NurseBee,

It gave me the chills to read that Halcion is a benzo. I did not know that. 7yrs ago, I had a root canal done. The endodontist who did it preferred his patients sedated. So I had to take a specific dose of Halcion before going (and have a driver). I had to go in 2 times. Each time I was in a "twilight" type of sedation. The first time, I took the dose the dentist told me, and all went fine, except I was out of it. My ride took me home, and I proceeded to do all the yardwork (hedge clipper! lawnmower!) and went in and slept. When I woke up hours later, I had no recollection of my yardwork! I saw all the stuff outside and couldn't figure out who did my yardwork! I spoke to a friend who is a med student and he told me to leave that Halcion alone. It has lots of weird side effects and is a powerful amnesiac.

Scary.

[Kat]

Those drugs are scary aren't they snapdragon! You had an experience with Halcion and I had a very simular experience with klonopin. I don't see how ppl would even want to abuse those type of drugs...scary.

[txsvicki]

If the rumor is correct and little girl is Sinclair's daughter, then maybe M. was trying to set up his ex wife or Sinclair himself. There seems to be a pattern of setting people up for some personal gain. I guess it worked, since no charges were filed due to the girl's mother having meds in her purse and alcohol on her breath. Although, I don't see what alcohol on the mother's breath had to do with anything. I can only imagine how the poor woman was treated and made to feel.

[future criminologist]

Those drugs are scary aren't they snapdragon! You had an experience with Halcion and I had a very simular experience with klonopin. I don't see how ppl would even want to abuse those type of drugs...scary.

even scarier - have you ever tried to GO OFF of an anti-depressant? the withdrawal is like coming off of heroin. which is why i haven't yet - I've tried many times and in my mind it is WORSE than heroin -

but another psychotropic drug digression by me from the thread - sorry, guys.

[Kat]

No FC, I have never taken an anti-depressant but I sat with a friend that came off "cold turkey" against her doc's advice from paxil. She was up to 60 mg a day? (I think it was mg). She was restless, couldn't sleep, said her skin felt "fuzzy", thirsty non-stop and said she had brain zaps. She decribed the brain zaps to me as this "Kat, do you remember when you were a kid, did you ever stick your tongue on a 9 volt battery?" I said of course, I was a knucklehead too. She said "That is what if feels like in your brain, over and over and over" She did come off, but went back on later.

Yes very O/T I apologize to everyone, I won't do it again!

[snapdragon]

But, do you think if the Jan girl was Sandra, her mom, grandma and grandpa would allow her to continue playing at the Lawless house? Given that the child's family reported her missing and then took her to the hospital, I would think that this child was warned NEVER to go to MH's again and to NEVER get in a car with her again. Of course, I am just speculating based on what I would do.... so.....

Salem

Salem, you're probably right. I just thought it was pretty coincidental, but I would hope she'd never go there again. And the fact that her sister went there to babysit MH's daughter.. that leans toward the fact that it wasn't Sandra in Jan.

[snapdragon]

No FC, I have never taken an anti-depressant but I sat with a friend that came off "cold turkey" against her doc's advice from paxil. She was up to 60 mg a day? (I think it was mg). She was restless, couldn't sleep, said her skin felt "fuzzy", thirsty non-stop and said she had brain zaps. She decribed the brain zaps to me as this "Kat, do you remember when you were a kid, did you ever stick your tongue on a 9 volt battery?" I said of course, I was a knucklehead too. She said "That is what if feels like in your brain, over and over and over" She did come off, but went back on later.

Yes very O/T I apologize to everyone, I won't do it again!

Paxil has the shortest half life of the SSRI's. One needs to taper under dr. supervision. The others stay in the system longer and thus less withdrawals.

[Tori2]

Just to clarify, BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder. I couldn't tell if that was figured out or not.

[elainebenice]

bold is mine. I couldn't belive it either (and glad I didn't):




http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Sandra-Cantu-Suspect-May-Be-Link-to-Anot=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

I would think that if Police found the child slobbering and incoherent they would have followed up immediately.. that is telling me that the drug was given to her shortly before LE arrived and that it was a longer acting benzo that had a longer onset of action with a longer half life (see above post for long acting benzos). I am thinking..... and just nurse~like thinking that she was given Librium or Klonopin (maybe Ativan or Xanax) and I would place a bet, just a small bet, that Huckaby was on one of those drugs for bpd. (just a guess/thought)

I tend to agree with the type of benzo used here for a couple of reasons - 1) The apparent semi-normal state of the child when LE encountered the child (yes, making the assumption here that LE acted rationally/appropriately to their investigation discoveries). I must admit I have zero experience personal or 2nd hand with Rohypnol, but from everything I've ever read it appears to be a very unpredictable, fast-acting substance and a little goes a long way. This is pretty important when you are talking about a substance that has to be obtained in this country in a form that is NOT regulated or dispensed by any legal agent. When you compare this to any of the other regulated benzos, they are worlds apart. The "normal" benzos, valium, xanax, klonopin, etc are prescribed in numerous size dosages, ranging from super small to quite hefty. This removes much of the "guess work"/risk that would be involved if someone was trying to figure out the proper dosage for a person of a different size, i.e. a child. Also, it is very easy to build up a tolerance to benzos rather quickly. I'm not exactly sure where, if at all this may fit in this story, but I am keeping it in the back of my mind since the surprises keep coming in this case and there may be a history of this type of thing here.... 2) Compared to "normal" benzos, I think Rohypnol is exponentially harder to obtain for the vast majority of the country. It is not hard at all to obtain any of the "normal" benzos either legally via prescription or through other means. These drugs are widely prescribed and they are subsequently also widely abused/sold/available. I could be totally wrong here, but I am going with the least-complicated option in this case since it appears our perp had plenty of other balls to juggle without tossing Rohypnol in the mix.

[nursebeeme]

sorry for the confusion on BPD. I am a nurse and shorten everything. I HATE spelling out bipolar disorder LOL.. sorry.. BPD is typically used for borderline personality disorder.. Anything I posted with BPD I was referring to bipolar disorder, which is what, insofar, I could see Melissa being afflicted with.

But an excuse that does not make. For what she did!

[Kat]

I have had so much education about benzo's and other drugs tonight! Thank you all so much, it has been a lively and informative board tonight!

I'm going to hit the hay, but I wish each of you a good night and always "justice for sweet Sandra"

:seeya:

[nursebeeme]

you sleep tight (((Kat)))!

[JoeFromLB]

I'm wondering if it actually was Sandra, and the press got the eye color wrong. Wouldn't be the first time they got facts wrong.

No, it sure wouldn't. I recall reading one of the news reports that had Sandra weighing 85 pounds, not 45. That's a sizable error, IMO.
I've also seen some reports that Brian Lawless, MH's father, was 45 years old. He's actually 48. It's MH's uncle, BRETT Lawless, who is 45-years old.

[Momtofour]

This article contains more details than the previous one

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6771583

Ten weeks before Sandra Cantu was abducted and murdered, another little girl went missing from the mobile home park, only to be found hours later -- according to the girl's family -- in the company of Melissa Huckaby.
On the afternoon of January 17th, according to a Tracy Police log, the girl was reported missing by her family. She returned two and half hours later. According to the family, the girl had spent the afternoon with Melissa Huckaby without their permission.
ABC7 spoke with the girl's mother and sister at their home. They said Huckaby had taken the girl to several local parks and given her a cup of water from a local fast food restaurant. They did not want to appear on camera, but the sister told ABC7 by telephone, the little girl acted strangely when she got home.
"Her speech was slurred, like she had a really bad lisp. She kept falling asleep. She would cry like something was wrong with her. She couldn't stand up without help. She couldn't walk. Every time she tried to walk, she's fall," said the girl's sister.
The family says they took the little girl to Sutter Tracy Memorial Hospital, where she was examined. A police log for January 17 confirms the family's account that the girl tested positive for the muscle relaxant "benzodiazepine."
"Was Melissa Huckaby involved?" asked ABC7's Laura Anthony.
"Any report with Ms. Huckaby's name on it, whether it's this report or a traffic collision, is part of our investigation," said Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman.
Now that Sandra Cantu is dead, the girl's family wonders if police should've done more to investigate their incident.
"If they would've done their job right, everything with Sandra could've been prevented and she would've been here today," said the girl's sister.
The family told ABC7, besides the drug test given to the little girl at the local hospital, she was examined for any signs of molestation and the family said that examination was negative. Police insist Monday afternoon they did everything they could to investigate the January 17th missing child case, but there was simply no probable cause to make an arrest.

[QNA]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

Huckaby told a Sacramento news station that police questioned her about the incident reported on January 17 by a family in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby lived in the same complex, also where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived before police found her dead body on April 10. Police arrested Huckaby four days later on suspicion on kidnapping, raping and killing Sandra.

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby the day after farmworkers found Sandra’s body inside a suitcase dumped in a dairy lagoon.

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.(my bolding)

Very interesting. I hadn't read this part of the report. So it is very plausible that the girl could have been drugged by ingesting something after she was returned home and that Huckaby had nothing to do with the "drugging".

[tiredofthis]

(my bolding)

Very interesting. I hadn't read this part of the report. So it is very plausible that the girl could have been drugged by ingesting something after she was returned home and that Huckaby had nothing to do with the "drugging".

I would be interested to find out what type of drug the girl's mother reportedly carried around. If it didn't match the drug found in the girl's system, then I would be suspicious.

[SeriouslySearching]

(my bolding)

Very interesting. I hadn't read this part of the report. So it is very plausible that the girl could have been drugged by ingesting something after she was returned home and that Huckaby had nothing to do with the "drugging".And molestation wouldn't show signs either. So it was pretty easy to blame the parent for having a drink and probably a prescription on her.

Is this what you are saying?

I think the key here is this: the little girl acted strangely when she got home.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...d_story&open=& (Bolded by me)

If she had been with Huckaby and came in acting strangely after four hours, this would exclude the parent or her having taken the drugs at home. LE dropped the ball bigtime on this one. I would hope they have an internal investigation to find out what happened and why. Someone should be fired over this incident, imo.

[Kat]

More information is being provided now:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6771583

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 | 12:07 AM

ABC7 spoke with the girl's mother and sister at their home. They said Huckaby had taken the girl to several local parks and given her a cup of water from a local fast food restaurant. They did not want to appear on camera, but the sister told ABC7 by telephone, the little girl acted strangely when she got home.
"Her speech was slurred, like she had a really bad lisp. She kept falling asleep. She would cry like something was wrong with her. She couldn't stand up without help. She couldn't walk. Every time she tried to walk, she's fall," said the girl's sister.
The family says they took the little girl to Sutter Tracy Memorial Hospital, where she was examined. A police log for January 17 confirms the family's account that the girl tested positive for the muscle relaxant "benzodiazepine."


BTW, My children made off with all three of my new pairs of ear buds, would someone be so kind as to let me know what the sister says on the video of her phone interview please? I would be very thankful! TIA

[SeriouslySearching]

bold is mine. I couldn't believe it either (and glad I didn't):

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Sandra-Cantu-Suspect-May-Be-Link-to-Anot=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

I would think that if Police found the child slobbering and incoherent they would have followed up immediately.. that is telling me that the drug was given to her shortly before LE arrived and that it was a longer acting benzo that had a longer onset of action with a longer half life (see above post for long acting benzos). I am thinking..... and just nurse~like thinking that she was given Librium or Klonopin (maybe Ativan or Xanax) and I would place a bet, just a small bet, that Huckaby was on one of those drugs for bpd. (just a guess/thought)This is the most troubling part for me. If she were given the drugs right before they found out the child was missing, was it Melissa's plan to rape and murder her...but she was discovered too soon? She then had to return the child knowing the drugs were in her system, but she was willing to risk it to save herself a kidnapping charge and make up the stories about the parks etc. She was even more lucky when LE decided to drop the ball on the case entirely.

[i.b.nora]

BTW, My children made off with all three of my new pairs of ear buds, would someone be so kind as to let me know what the sister says on the video of her phone interview please? I would be very thankful! TIA
The sister says exactly the same words as in the printed article.
The sister does sound considerably older, possibly late teens, early 20s. Just guessing.

[nursebeeme]

after the video interview with the sister... it is obvious that the child was already "medicated". The sister also said that after they called about her missing, LE came and searched the entire mobile home park and didn't find her... and then two hours later up pulls Huckaby in her purple kia suv and drops off the little girl.

Seems like searching the entire mobile home park for a missing child is nothing new to orchard estates or LE. What a HUGE RED FLAG they should have seen waving when Sandra went missing (moo of course)

eta: I think a lot of this boils down to gender bias (moo)

[SeriouslySearching]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6771583 < Did someone already get screenshots of those reports?

[nursebeeme]

I didn't SS (nurse sucks at screen shots LOL)

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't SS (nurse sucks at screen shots LOL)LOL Well...maybe someone will do this for us. hint hint

They look like perhaps the kind where they didn't realize when you blow them up...you can read the redacted parts. LOL (Someone needs to tell them that a black marker doesn't do much good when you have computers)

[JDB]

Salem, you're probably right. I just thought it was pretty coincidental, but I would hope she'd never go there again. And the fact that her sister went there to babysit MH's daughter.. that leans toward the fact that it wasn't Sandra in Jan.

Just to clarify the Jan. one was not Sandra. Sandra was 6 months ago right around the Cameras were placed because of the "Slashing of Tires". Sandra was found behind her Mobile Home unresponsive. And no one knew who slipped her the drug that did it to her.

[Kat]

I have it saved to photoshop but I can't get the file to load. Do I need to convert it?

ETA: Converted it to .jpeg, hope this one works, I may need to alter size?

[i.b.nora]

The redacted parts are not readable.

[SeriouslySearching]

The redacted parts are not readable.Did you enlarge it to the maximum? It sure looks like it could be even on what the smaller one I was able to enlarge a bit. I don't have MWsnap anymore and can't take it up any higher. (Can you tell I really want to read those?! LOL)

ETA: Thanks, Nora and Kat!! :)

[nursebeeme]

I have it saved to photoshop but I can't get the file to load. Do I need to convert it?

ETA: Converted it to .jpeg, hope this one works, I may need to alter size?
it is times like this that I wish I could hit the thanks button about a hundred times ;-)

[SeriouslySearching]

it is times like this that I wish I could hit the thanks button about a hundred times ;-)Off Topic: Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. x 10.

There you go, Neebee!

On Topic: From what I can read, it doesn't say much except in the redacted parts! The address where they were first called on Clover and a comment about the mother are blacked out. It states the mother is OS (on site?) redacted then stated to be in the hallway at ER and they have no info on the mother...but they redacted after that until it says closed dispo: report to follow.

Can someone read the times? They aren't clear enough on my screen. Thanks.

[KoldKase]

(my bolding)

Very interesting. I hadn't read this part of the report. So it is very plausible that the girl could have been drugged by ingesting something after she was returned home and that Huckaby had nothing to do with the "drugging".


It was "very plausible" then, but not anymore....

[Kat]

Okay this is a report by LE about the child at the hospital.

At the top left hand corner states time stamps:

Time recieved: 22:00
Time dispatch: 22:01
At Scene: 22:06
Time closed: 02:14

(there are other abbreviations but I have no clue what they are for, someone else can interpret?)

[nursebeeme]

thanks Kat! What are the abreviations? Perhaps we can all try to figure them out...

[KoldKase]

Just to clarify the Jan. one was not Sandra. Sandra was 6 months ago right around the Cameras were placed because of the "Slashing of Tires". Sandra was found behind her Mobile Home unresponsive. And no one knew who slipped her the drug that did it to her.

What? Are you saying the Cantu family had their tires slashed 6 months ago, and at that time Sandra was found behind her mobile home passed out from drugs?

I totally missed this. Do you have a source?

[nursebeeme]

KK, Jdb got that info from a local on Sandra.

The CC camera was installed a few weeks before sandra went missing. I will find you a link in the media thread....brb

[JDB]

What? Are you saying the Cantu family had their tires slashed 6 months ago, and at that time Sandra was found behind her mobile home passed out from drugs?

I totally missed this. Do you have a source?

Koldcase: I put the slash Tires in quotes for a reason. The source I have is one that lives in Tracy and told me before it happened about Huckaby was going to be arrested. he also told me of the Jan. drugging and why Huckaby was not charged back then. He also was the one that told me about Sandra being found behind the MH. I think that is why the camera was put up because they had no idea who gave her the drugs. I am just sitting here waiting for that one to get to the press.

[nursebeeme]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3572688&postcount=7
camera installed two weeks earlier before Sandra went missing

[Kat]

I posted this earlier it was in a media report that gives times.

January 17 at 5:17p.m. local time. (911 call made)

At 5:31 p.m., police reported that the girl was with Huckaby at a nearby park.

At 5:39 p.m., the girl was returned, and police left without filing charges.

Then we see the LE report on the second call requesting LE for same child, while that child is at hospital:

Time recieved: 22:00
Time dispatch: 22:01
At Scene: 22:06
Time closed: 02:14


The second call was recieved at 22:00 and the child was in the ER, and the complaint was made that this child had benzo (like muscle relaxant) in her system.

That does narrow down a time line a bit. Then we would need to take into consideration, time to transport child to ER, triage at ER, Drug Screens to be performed and results to come back...

[KoldKase]

Koldcase: I put the slash Tires in quotes for a reason. The source I have is one that lives in Tracy and told me before it happened about Huckaby was going to be arrested. he also told me of the Jan. drugging and why Huckaby was not charged back then. He also was the one that told me about Sandra being found behind the MH. I think that is why the camera was put up because they had no idea who gave her the drugs. I am just sitting here waiting for that one to get to the press.

This is one strange story, JDB. Thanks for sharing.

Did your source say that the Cantu family reported this drugging of Sandra back then?

Surely LE didn't have TWO children drugged and let it go.

Was Huckaby yet living in the Park? Did the Cantus have an altercation with her family of some kind? With Sinclair?

If this is true, this goes way beyond what we're thinking at this point. It's going to get ugly.

[nursebeeme]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3572696&postcount=8
camera was put up, according to family, due to tires being slashed possibly in retaliation for Grandpa trapping stray cats and taking them to the pound

[Kat]

thanks Kat! What are the abreviations? Perhaps we can all try to figure them out...

I can't make out the letters of the acronyms but the times next to those look to be a break down of how LE spent those hours on this call. Sorry.

[nursebeeme]

KK,
look up ^^^ I just posted two links for you on the cameras from the media thread (I only knew where they were because I copy and pasted all of them when we got the sub forum LOL)

[Kat]

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/43356302.html#

snippet of interest that is applicable:

Police logs obtained by ABC News show there was a report of a missing child on January 17th from the Orchard Estates - the same mobile home park where Sandra Cantu disappeared, and where Huckaby lived with her grandparents.

The police logs also state "the child is possibly with another resident's grandaughter" and that both were seen driving "from the park in a purple Kia Sportage."

[KoldKase]

KK,
look up ^^^ I just posted two links for you on the cameras from the media thread (I only knew where they were because I copy and pasted all of them when we got the sub forum LOL)


Thanks so much.

That's a strange story as well, but it says nothing about Sandra being drugged. I am having trouble believing that part of this "gossip", as it would be something that the family would think of, as well. They haven't mentioned this, have they? And now with the other child's story of being drugged out, why wouldn't someone come forward with this one?

And surely Sandra's family would have mentioned to LE the child had been drugged. And surely LE would have remembered when a second child was drugged.

I guess stranger things have happened, but I'm going to remain skeptical about Sandra being previously drugged and that not being mentioned or reported to LE at the time, nor to the press now that Sandra is a murder victim. Maybe it did happen and for some reason it's been kept out of the press, but the tabs would pay big money for that story.

[Kat]

O/T but I found the docs uploaded for the complaint filed in court for MH's theft charges at Target. It's in the doc's thread.

[nursebeeme]

I posted this earlier it was in a media report that gives times.

January 17 at 5:17p.m. local time. (911 call made)

At 5:31 p.m., police reported that the girl was with Huckaby at a nearby park.

At 5:39 p.m., the girl was returned, and police left without filing charges.

Then we see the LE report on the second call requesting LE for same child, while that child is at hospital:

Time recieved: 22:00
Time dispatch: 22:01
At Scene: 22:06
Time closed: 02:14


The second call was recieved at 22:00 and the child was in the ER, and the complaint was made that this child had benzo (like muscle relaxant) in her system.

That does narrow down a time line a bit. Then we would need to take into consideration, time to transport child to ER, triage at ER, Drug Screens to be performed and results to come back...

exactly what I was thinking, Kat. I also found this....when looking for normal lab run times for tox screens (at the large hospital I work for they can process in one to two hours but that is because we have the equipment and manpower).. it is a little disturbing because benzos can remain in the system up to 6 weeks with higher level usage
http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/test/toxicology-screen/overview.html


if she got home at five thirty and was crying and couldn't walk and wouldn't wake up I would think they were at the ER by six thirtyish or seven.. unresponsive kids, at any place I have worked are usually triaged ahead. But triage takes time. With vitals and initial exam and getting the lab techs in to draw the labs you are easily looking at the eight oclock time frame... one to two hours for the tox screen to process and you are right at ten pm when the call was made to le. This is just moo...

ETA: I am also guessing that the molestation exam came into play in between when LE arrived and when they closed out the case (after she was found to be positive for benzos)

[Kat]

SS, I blew it up to 400%, the black ink does completely obliterate the writing and address.

The name of the juv. is listed but I can see no letters or even a top or bottom of them. However, looking at the length of the name it is too long to be Sandra Cantu, even with a middle name. JMHO.

[JDB]

This is one strange story, JDB. Thanks for sharing.

Did your source say that the Cantu family reported this drugging of Sandra back then?

Surely LE didn't have TWO children drugged and let it go.

Was Huckaby yet living in the Park? Did the Cantus have an altercation with her family of some kind? With Sinclair?

If this is true, this goes way beyond what we're thinking at this point. It's going to get ugly.


All I jnow so far what the guy at work heard has all happened . An I was told before it came out in the news. Ask SS she received PM from me earlier that day before it came out

[nursebeeme]

All I jnow so far what the guy at work heard has all happened . An I was told before it came out in the news. Ask SS she received PM from me earlier that day before it came out
You are sure right about that JDB!

[nursebeeme]

O/T but I found the docs uploaded for the complaint filed in court for MH's theft charges at Target. It's in the doc's thread.
there just HAD to be a Target in this case.... uggghh! I wonder what she took??? I also wonder how long she served in LA county. Man, this girl's family doesn't have a clue of her history do they?

Also, does anyone know what you would have to steal to get prison time for a first offense??? I also wonder who was taking care of her child while she was in prison.

Now I am thinking this family HAD to have known all the trouble she was getting into just based on that fact that her little girl had to have SOMEONE look after her thru it all....:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

I would still like to see the video from the Target incident. I couldn't read the minutes at all. However, while I was checking that one out...this one popped up as related. Not sure it is Melissa as it does not give the name anywhere, but it came up as Huckaby vs. Eli Lilly. It is a class action suit over Zyprexa.:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/489998/Huckaby-v-Eli-Lilly

Lilly’s own published data, which it told its sales representatives to play down in conversations with doctors, has shown that 30 percent of patients taking Zyprexa gain 22 pounds or more after a year on the drug, another study showed 16% of Zyprexa patients gained at least 30 kg (66 pounds) in one year, and some patients have reported gaining 100 pounds or more. But Lilly was concerned that Zyprexa’s sales would be hurt if the company was more forthright about the fact that the drug might cause unmanageable weight gain or diabetes, according to the documents, which cover the period 1995 to 2004. In 2006, Lilly paid $700 million to settle 8,000 lawsuits from people who said they had developed diabetes or other diseases after taking Zyprexa. Thousands more suits are still pending.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olanzapine

[JoeFromLB]

Just to clarify the Jan. one was not Sandra. Sandra was 6 months ago right around the Cameras were placed because of the "Slashing of Tires". Sandra was found behind her Mobile Home unresponsive. And no one knew who slipped her the drug that did it to her.

This is the first time I have heard of Sandra having possibly been drugged six months ago, and found "behind her Mobile Home unresponsive". :eek:
I understand you have a confidential source, but can we trust this is reliable?

If this is true, it's a enormous story.
I hope LE is putting together a detailed timeline of MH's activities over the past several years, and all the people she associated with during that time.

[Salem]

Off Topic: Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. x 10.

There you go, Neebee!

On Topic: From what I can read, it doesn't say much except in the redacted parts! The address where they were first called on Clover and a comment about the mother are blacked out. It states the mother is OS (on site?) redacted then stated to be in the hallway at ER and they have no info on the mother...but they redacted after that until it says closed dispo: report to follow.

Can someone read the times? They aren't clear enough on my screen. Thanks.

LE was called this second time at 10:01 p.m. (22:01:13) (I think it said 13 seconds).

Salem

[SeriouslySearching]

This is the first time I have heard of Sandra having possibly been drugged six months ago, and found "behind her Mobile Home unresponsive". :eek:
I understand you have a confidential source, but can we trust this is reliable?

If this is true, it's a enormous story.
I hope LE is putting together a detailed timeline of MH's activities over the past several years, and all the people she associated with during that time.So far his source has been accurate on every front. ;) I would say that the information is reliable. It is an enormous story!

[Salem]

after the video interview with the sister... it is obvious that the child was already "medicated". The sister also said that after they called about her missing, LE came and searched the entire mobile home park and didn't find her... and then two hours later up pulls Huckaby in her purple kia suv and drops off the little girl.

Seems like searching the entire mobile home park for a missing child is nothing new to orchard estates or LE. What a HUGE RED FLAG they should have seen waving when Sandra went missing (moo of course)

eta: I think a lot of this boils down to gender bias (moo)

This changes everything :eek: about what might have happened to this child :eek::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Two hours? After we were led to believe that MH took the child home within 15 minutes of contact with LE? I'm not understanding this. All articles said LE found the child at the park with MH at 5:30/5:31 p.m. Then MH took the child home at 5:45 p.m. What is this couple hours later? Was MH waiting for the drug to wear off? What did she do to this child?

Salem

[SeriouslySearching]

How could it be two hours from the 5:17 pm 911 call?

[passionflower]

This changes everything :eek: about what might have happened to this child :eek::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Two hours? After we were led to believe that MH took the child home within 15 minutes of contact with LE? I'm not understanding this. All articles said LE found the child at the park with MH at 5:30/5:31 p.m. Then MH took the child home at 5:45 p.m. What is this couple hours later? Was MH waiting for the drug to wear off? What did she do to this child?

Salem

This is unbelieveable! MH was almost caught! I wonder how many other young girls she 'practised on' before she killed Sandra. Where did she tell her family she was with all this missing time? Wonder if she had a 'pattern'.......
I am furious also.:furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

She told everyone she had taken the girl to several parks and McDonald's, I guess.

[nursebeeme]

I cannot remember the astute poster that said this today... that she wouldn't believe what Melissa said if she witnessed her tongue being notarized!

[nursebeeme]

She told everyone she had taken the girl to several parks and McDonald's, I guess.
Yeah! and she told the cbs reporter she had taken the same child to the park three times that week. I am wondering if some of her "inconsistancies" had to do with that incident as well???

[Salem]

Okay this is a report by LE about the child at the hospital.

At the top left hand corner states time stamps:

Time recieved: 22:00
Time dispatch: 22:01
At Scene: 22:06
Time closed: 02:14

(there are other abbreviations but I have no clue what they are for, someone else can interpret?)

So LE investigated this for 4 hours from the time of the 2nd call.

Why didn't LE notice there was something wrong with the girl when they saw MH at the park? Did MH have her in her vehicle and so LE just looked in the window? Did they speak to the child or did they just assume it was an misunderstanding, believed whatever MH told them and then told MH to take the girl home? Why, WHY, WHY didn't LE take this child into their custody and transport her home?????:mad::mad:

Salem

[Salem]

I cannot remember the astute poster that said this today... that she wouldn't believe what Melissa said if she witnessed her tongue being notarized!

That was our one and only OceanBlueEyes :)

Salem

[nursebeeme]

I put in an astro request to see if it is possible for them to do an event chart based on the times and date of this event... at least with Melissa's birthdate... should be interesting to say the least!

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=51887@kovr.dayport.com
again revisiting the huckaby phone interview... (and sooooo angry his phone died as I bet he is too!) at the end right before the phone dies it ties in with the time of the conclusion of the 2am police investigation...

Huckaby says: "and then later on that night...at around two o'clock in the morning" (then phone dies)

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=52368@kovr.dayport.com

video... with good times

ETA:
(from video)
5:17 911 call
5:31 Le reports child at park with Huckaby
5:39 huckaby returns child; police leave without filing charges

[JDB]

This is the first time I have heard of Sandra having possibly been drugged six months ago, and found "behind her Mobile Home unresponsive". :eek:
I understand you have a confidential source, but can we trust this is reliable?

If this is true, it's a enormous story.
I hope LE is putting together a detailed timeline of MH's activities over the past several years, and all the people she associated with during that time.

Lets put it this way. He told me about Huckaby before she was arrested. He also told me about this girl at the park. How much more reliable can that be.

[nursebeeme]

Lets put it this way. He told me about Huckaby before she was arrested. He also told me about this girl at the park. How much more reliable can that be.
I can attest to that! Dang we need to find that post with the SS pm.. I cannot even remember what thread number it was in JDB!

So what else is your friend saying? He sure was right on the money about many things so far and thank you for sharing

[SeriouslySearching]

So LE investigated this for 4 hours from the time of the 2nd call.

Why didn't LE notice there was something wrong with the girl when they saw MH at the park? Did MH have her in her vehicle and so LE just looked in the window? Did they speak to the child or did they just assume it was an misunderstanding, believed whatever MH told them and then told MH to take the girl home? Why, WHY, WHY didn't LE take this child into their custody and transport her home?????:mad::mad:

SalemThis is part of the reason I don't think LE found Melissa and the girl at the park. I think Melissa brought her home and they were still there. (This is the part of MH's story I believe) They either did not check the child closely OR the effects of the drug did not become evident until after LE left the home (which could make sense if the drugs were administered close to the time she was brought home).

I don't blame the mother for not immediately taking her to ER. She had no reason to suspect drugs were involved. She probably thought her child was acting strange due to illness. It would be a mother's first thought, imo. However, after observing her for a short period of time...they should have realized something was very wrong. Her child was in real danger during the hours she waited to seek medical care, imo.

[SeriouslySearching]

I can attest to that! Dang we need to find that post with the SS pm.. I cannot even remember what thread number it was in JDB!

So what else is your friend saying? He sure was right on the money about many things so far and thank you for sharingYou don't need my post. You have me right here. ;) What is it you want to know?

[nursebeeme]

SS, was refering to the post where you posted JDB's pm to you before these other allegations...

[SeriouslySearching]

I can verify it, but even I would have to find the post since I don't have that pm anymore. LOL (We are not allowed enough room in our darn pm boxes here!)

[nursebeeme]

I hear ya SS! I cannot for the life of me remember which thread it was in...

[OkGrace]

Just jumpin in real quick.
I am floored.
This incident is scary and I wonder if there are others that went unnoticed or unreported?
I do not think LE could have prevented MH from doing what she did to little Sandra, the only one who could have prevented it is the monster MH herself.
They investigated and apparantly did not have enough evidence to prove she was the one drugged this child in question.
Parents are gonna have to start locking up thier kids, it seem none are safe anymore.
Glad mine are grown and I when grands are here I am right next to them at all times.

[Winnow]

#46 - Melissa Huckaby, Suspect - thread #2
04-11-2009, 01:53 PM
SeriouslySearching

Quote:
Originally Posted by goofeegyrl View Post
This is the same incident reported by the person who knows someone who knows someone that says this happened?


Yes. Here you go:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB
"Well with the news of MH being arrested I feel I can share this now. SS can verify what I am saying is true. As I PM her yesterday after I heard it from a guy at work that lives in Tracy. I did not want to say iit on the board at the time as it is hearsay but it now makes sense.

His MIl works with someone that lives in the MHP. She waas told that 6 months ago Sandra was found behind a bldg in the MHP unresponsive. She was rushed to the hospital and it was ruled a Drug overdose. It was MH who gave her the drugs."
__________________

[JDB]

I can attest to that! Dang we need to find that post with the SS pm.. I cannot even remember what thread number it was in JDB!

So what else is your friend saying? He sure was right on the money about many things so far and thank you for sharing

Seems now that Huckaby is behind bars. The pipeline has kinda dried up. Which makes sense as from what I have been told is everyone now is focusing on Justice.But I do ask him every other day if anything is being said. :crazy:

[JDB]

This changes everything :eek: about what might have happened to this child :eek::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Two hours? After we were led to believe that MH took the child home within 15 minutes of contact with LE? I'm not understanding this. All articles said LE found the child at the park with MH at 5:30/5:31 p.m. Then MH took the child home at 5:45 p.m. What is this couple hours later? Was MH waiting for the drug to wear off? What did she do to this child?

Salem

Salem The way I read everything today was the LE searched the MHP not the park where Huckaby took the girl to.

[Winnow]

I hear ya SS! I cannot for the life of me remember which thread it was in...

#46 - Melissa Huckaby, Suspect - thread #2
04-11-2009, 01:53 PM
(see #176 above for contents))

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Winnow~ I was looking and didn't find the one where I posted the exact pm that JDB sent to me (with his permission, of course).

LOL I did find this one tho~ :P For all you who doubted it...:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3590427&postcount=334

[Searchfortruth]

#46 - Melissa Huckaby, Suspect - thread #2
04-11-2009, 01:53 PM
SeriouslySearching

Quote:
Originally Posted by goofeegyrl View Post
This is the same incident reported by the person who knows someone who knows someone that says this happened?


Yes. Here you go:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB
"Well with the news of MH being arrested I feel I can share this now. SS can verify what I am saying is true. As I PM her yesterday after I heard it from a guy at work that lives in Tracy. I did not want to say iit on the board at the time as it is hearsay but it now makes sense.

His MIl works with someone that lives in the MHP. She waas told that 6 months ago Sandra was found behind a bldg in the MHP unresponsive. She was rushed to the hospital and it was ruled a Drug overdose. It was MH who gave her the drugs."
__________________OMG, if this is true why wasn't something done then ? :confused:

[Searchfortruth]

OK, I might have jumped the gun on that last post, so this is not a verified report ?

[Winnow]

Seems now that Huckaby is behind bars. The pipeline has kinda dried up. Which makes sense as from what I have been told is everyone now is focusing on Justice.But I do ask him every other day if anything is being said. :crazy:

I am really glad that you keep following up with this source. It would seem that, now more than ever, MHP people might be talking about things that happened in the past that now strike them as strange and/or possibly related.

Because everything has shown to be so accurate up until now, I still believe that there is a previous incident involving SC.

[JDB]

I am really glad that you keep following up with this source. It would seem that, now more than ever, MHP people might be talking about things that happened in the past that now strike them as strange and/or possibly related.

Because everything has shown to be so accurate up until now, I still believe that there is a previous incident involving SC.

I know an I am hoping. But please remember Huckaby was only in the park for 8 months before Sandra.And they might think if anything leaks now and if they are called it might lead to a Mistrial

[JDB]

OK, I might have jumped the gun on that last post, so this is not a verified report ?

No there is no police record. But catch up with the reading. I think the slashing of the tires was used instead of telling the press that Sandra was found unresponsive . I know If I was the Cantu family and before an arrest I would use an excuse.

[JoeFromLB]

Lets put it this way. He told me about Huckaby before she was arrested. He also told me about this girl at the park. How much more reliable can that be.

That's reliable enough for me! Thanks!

[KoldKase]

Well, thanks for sharing JDB, and thanks for finding those posts for us, Winnow and SS.

But I am still going to refrain from making a judgment about this info. It certainly would be horrible to think that it's true, and that for some reason, Sandra was drugged and found unconscious and taken to the hospital six months ago and for some reason, nobody was arrested. (By LAW, the hospital would have called child protective services and LE, NO DOUBT.)

That happening would be as disturbing as the January child being drugged and stumbling around and taken to the hospital and nobody was arrested. This would be even worse in the context of Sandra having had it happen to her months before as well.

In fact, if either of those incidents didn't result in search warrants, I can't understand why.

Now that Sandra was murdered, it would be truly catastrophic to the legal system in Tracy if this all turned out to be true. LE would practically be worthy of being charged with negligent homicide in Sandra's death, if this is true.

I'm holding on to the "gossip" model, as things can get very mixed up going from the Cantus to someone who lived in the MHPark to someone's grandmother to the grandchild who told JDB on this forum who told us...that's a long chain to follow.

Because if this turned out to be true, Sandra Cantu would be a victim of much more than Huckaby's machinations.

[KoldKase]

This is part of the reason I don't think LE found Melissa and the girl at the park. I think Melissa brought her home and they were still there. (This is the part of MH's story I believe) They either did not check the child closely OR the effects of the drug did not become evident until after LE left the home (which could make sense if the drugs were administered close to the time she was brought home).

I don't blame the mother for not immediately taking her to ER. She had no reason to suspect drugs were involved. She probably thought her child was acting strange due to illness. It would be a mother's first thought, imo. However, after observing her for a short period of time...they should have realized something was very wrong. Her child was in real danger during the hours she waited to seek medical care, imo.

Where I live, if LE is called, they will drag every single person out of a house in the middle of the night to do a "wellness check" before they'll leave the scene, even if nothing is going on when they get there. (I know because I saw it done to a neighbor whose son was fighting in the yard and then left.)

So I would be shocked to think that LE didn't even look at the child before leaving the scene. There just has to be more to this story. We're missing something, between the half told tale and Huckaby's lies.

[Salem]

Okay - it appears that the original time line holds. That makes more sense to me. Mom called LE at 5:17; LE somehow contacts MH at 5:30ish and child is home by 5:45ish.

Then it makes sense that the child probably ingested the drug right before she was returned home. I still wonder why LE didn't notice any odd behavior? What I want to know is if LE put their eyes on the child and asked her if she was okay? It seems this would be standard procedure anytime a child is reported missing. I don't care if it appears to be some "misunderstanding" between caretakers or whatever. I want LE to put out a statement that they did in fact observe this child before leaving the child's home that evening.

Who should I email? Jane or Nancy? Probably Jane, huh? Nancy didn't even talk about Sandra tonight.

I have had to call for a welfare check a time or two and I always put great faith in the fact that LE must see the children with their own eyes and talk to them. To find out that might not be the case kinda rocks my faith here :(

Salem

[nursebeeme]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3642953&postcount=550 soulscape has posted a chart on the park incident at the forensic astrology thread. Thank you Soul

[KoldKase]

The two videos I listened to tonight, of the sister of the January child and her mother, helped some with the timeline.

Didn't I hear one of them say that the child was taken to the hospital within half an hour of her returning home, because she was unable to talk walk straight, etc.?

I still cannot accept that LE wouldn't have looked at the child closely. Either the cop who was there made a huge mistake, or something else has to explain it.

[gitana1]

The two videos I listened to tonight, of the sister of the January child and her mother, helped some with the timeline.

Didn't I hear one of them say that the child was taken to the hospital within half an hour of her returning home, because she was unable to talk walk straight, etc.?

I still cannot accept that LE wouldn't have looked at the child closely. Either the cop who was there made a huge mistake, or something else has to explain it.

Yes! The sister clearly stated that they brought the child to the hospital within half an hour of getting her back home. I don't know what the heck happened here with this incident and why MH wasn't really looked at. I also want to know what else the child's family did about it. If it was my child, I would have been raising holy hell. Did they confront MH? I think the sister said no. Did they warn other parents? What was their opinion about what happened and why? A kid disappearing and then coming home drugged four hours later is very, very serious. I can't believe this family just let it drop. However, if they had their own problems, like drug and alcohol issues, they may have feared LE and not wanted to create waves due to CPS possibly looking at them as the problem and taking their child. Unfortunately, fear of LE on the part of families with trouble often causes them to keep quiet and not press when a crime has been committed.

[txsvicki]

Yes! The sister clearly stated that they brought the child to the hospital within half an hour of getting her back home. I don't know what the heck happened here with this incident and why MH wasn't really looked at. I also want to know what else the child's family did about it. If it was my child, I would have been raising holy hell. Did they confront MH? I think the sister said no. Did they warn other parents? What was their opinion about what happened and why? A kid disappearing and then coming home drugged four hours later is very, very serious. I can't believe this family just let it drop. However, if they had their own problems, like drug and alcohol issues, they may have feared LE and not wanted to create waves due to CPS possibly looking at them as the problem and taking their child. Unfortunately, fear of LE on the part of families with trouble often causes them to keep quiet and not press when a crime has been committed.


Someone said on the other thread that the little girl was taken by CPS that night. The child was already traumatized and then had to be taken from her family. I don't know how long the child was detained or how long it took the family to get her back, but that might have something to do with not following up. That and the mother was probably treated like dirt by all involved, and not believed. What a long list of victims with Sandra being the main one that we know of.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...I haven't seen anything about CPS taking the child yet. (Guess I better go read for a bit!) Thanks!

[nursebeeme]

interview with the mother (dang it~! I have to go find that link again.. I know it was cbs13 for starters)..

anyhow, the mother states cps took the child for the rest of the evening to rule out whether the MOTHER had drugged her child (it was unfounded of course)..

To me it looks like the rape kit was negative for semen or vaginal trauma, (obviously Huckaby does not have semen... and could have done other things to the child without causing trauma but for which current rape kits do not test for off the bat including but not limited to saliva).. then it looks to me like the child tested pos. for benzos.. but could only recall drinking a bottled water with Huckaby.. so they then focused on her own mother or family or link to the home for the benzos.

The cops dropped the ball here... but this is like a whole new kind of ball if you think about it... I mean this just hasn't been a common thing! I think this may even change the tests in current rape kits!

[SeriouslySearching]

The KPIX Video interview with the mother of the little 7 year old is now available for viewing:

http://cbs5.com/

The video is titled: "Tracy Mother Claims Huckaby Drugged Daughter"This one?! I am ahead of you, NeeBee. LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

Not only in rape kits involving drugs, but how many rape/murder cases are unsolved because the ME failed to test for a female presence instead of only male?

LE did drop the ball and so did CPS. Someone should have put 2 + 2 together to realize that Melissa should have been included in any investigation. Her background would have surfaced with all her issues and she should have been put through extensive interrogations at the very least.

[oceanblueeyes]

interview with the mother (dang it~! I have to go find that link again.. I know it was cbs13 for starters)..

anyhow, the mother states cps took the child for the rest of the evening to rule out whether the MOTHER had drugged her child (it was unfounded of course)..

To me it looks like the rape kit was negative for semen or vaginal trauma, (obviously Huckaby does not have semen... and could have done other things to the child without causing trauma but for which current rape kits do not test for off the bat including but not limited to saliva).. then it looks to me like the child tested pos. for benzos.. but could only recall drinking a bottled water with Huckaby.. so they then focused on her own mother or family or link to the home for the benzos.

The cops dropped the ball here... but this is like a whole new kind of ball if you think about it... I mean this just hasn't been a common thing! I think this may even change the tests in current rape kits!

I simply think LE had their rose colored glasses on. The same ones they have worn for so many years when it comes to a female.

They had a woman who was the granddaughter of a Pastor who had been one in the area for over 30 years and they had a mom that had alcohol on her breath. So they gave all the credibility to the one they thought was "good" :rolleyes:and "upstanding" in the community. Melissa had to love that, knowing she pulled that one over on everyone.

I bet when they did the search warrants of the Lawless home they found the same type of drug in MHs name that they found in this 7 year old child.

LE should all hang their heads in shame. Maybe if they had actually done something about this crime committed against the 7 year old, Sandra's death could have been prevented.

imo

[KoldKase]

Okay, I have been rereading, and I seem to be getting confused because this is dribbling out in piecemeal and it's hard to keep up.

But as best as I can now figure out, IT APPEARS that Huckaby returned the little girl to her home and "let her out"...?

What I don't understand is where was LE at this time?

And why did the mother identify Huckaby's car--the purple Kia Sportage? Did she say that to LE when her child was still missing, or when she was returned? Either way, the mother doesn't seem to have understood that Huckaby had that kind of car...? But Huckaby said that she had given the mother her cell phone number, which the mother lost--I know Huckaby lies, but just trying to pinpoint THIS lie, as well. If the mother knew Huckaby's cell number and car, why did she report her child missing in such a vehicle...or did she name the vehicle...when?

Shoot, I have to look all this up again, don't I? I don't know why this is so confusing to me.

[Salem]

No matter how this all went down, who ever the LE officer(s) was/were should be FIRED if they failed to "eyeball" the child and speak to her when she was returned home. No EXCUSE! They had a responsibility to make sure this missing child was alright and the ONLY way to do that was to have actually SEEN and HEARD her.

Salem

Now - if they did see and speak to the child and saw no issues and wrote that in their report, then they can keep their jobs :)

[KoldKase]

Okay, here is one article where it states that the police log reports that the child had left in a purple Kia Sportage. So WHO reported that? HOW is it possible to forget a PURPLE car, if the mom knew Huckaby and had her cell number? I guess the mom could have never seen the Kia.

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/43356302.html#



[snip]In a telephone interview, the woman who asked not to be identified said her seven year old sister went missing January 17th for four hours before Huckaby allegedy returned her.

Police logs obtained by ABC News show there was a report of a missing child on January 17th from the Orchard Estates - the same mobile home park where Sandra Cantu disappeared, and where Huckaby lived with her grandparents.

The police logs also state "the child is possibly with another resident's grandaughter" and that both were seen driving "from the park in a purple Kia Sportage."

A day after Sandra Cantu's body was found, police seized a purple Kia Sportage which Huckaby allegedly drove.

[snip]

That would have to be someone related to Melissa, right? Huckaby said that her grandparents called her about cops looking for the child.

So the big question is did the cops actually see and check the child when she was returned or not? Was the child returned by Melissa to the home? Did she "drop her off" or go in to talk with the parent, to discuss the mix-up?

And if LE did not check on the child before leaving her after a suspected abduction, bad, bad error.

If the cop did check the child, was the child not exhibiting symptoms of being drugged?

In either case, there is still no explanation as to why LE didn't get a search warrant and someone didn't get arrested when the child did show up at the ER under the influence of a serious drug. I heard an ex-FBI agent say this week that is a FELONY.

[JDB]

Well, thanks for sharing JDB, and thanks for finding those posts for us, Winnow and SS.

But I am still going to refrain from making a judgment about this info. It certainly would be horrible to think that it's true, and that for some reason, Sandra was drugged and found unconscious and taken to the hospital six months ago and for some reason, nobody was arrested. (By LAW, the hospital would have called child protective services and LE, NO DOUBT.)

That happening would be as disturbing as the January child being drugged and stumbling around and taken to the hospital and nobody was arrested. This would be even worse in the context of Sandra having had it happen to her months before as well.

In fact, if either of those incidents didn't result in search warrants, I can't understand why.

Now that Sandra was murdered, it would be truly catastrophic to the legal system in Tracy if this all turned out to be true. LE would practically be worthy of being charged with negligent homicide in Sandra's death, if this is true.

I'm holding on to the "gossip" model, as things can get very mixed up going from the Cantus to someone who lived in the MHPark to someone's grandmother to the grandchild who told JDB on this forum who told us...that's a long chain to follow.
Because if this turned out to be true, Sandra Cantu would be a victim of much more than Huckaby's machinations.

The Bolding is mine? No where did I ever sayit was a grandmother who told a grandkid and then me. See this is how stories get so messed up.

What I said was a co worker MIL who knows people in the MHP was told all of what I shared. Also I found out that his MIL works at the school where Sandra went.

But belive what you want. All I am saying two of the 3 things I have been told have happened an I knew before the Media released anything.

[Kat]

KoldKase, the article I'm posting a link to quotes the adult sister of the victim as stating "Melissa brought her home".

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6773250

[KoldKase]

The Bolding is mine? No where did I ever sayit was a grandmother who told a grandkid and then me. See this is how stories get so messed up.

What I said was a co worker MIL who knows people in the MHP was told all of what I shared. Also I found out that his MIL works at the school where Sandra went.

But belive what you want. All I am saying two of the 3 things I have been told have happened an I knew before the Media released anything.

haha Okay, you're right, I screwed that up good.

But that was my point. No names, just anonymous people sharing info which can get garbled.

Let's see if I can get closer this time: From someone who lived at the MH Park--we don't know who, but maybe a relative of the child or maybe a neighbor, who would have to have heard about this from a relative of the child's, as a minor child's records are sealed/confidential--to the MIL...who told her SIL, your co-worker...and now you're telling us.

All I'm saying is that's a along line of people I don't know, and couldn't really tell you they were factually accurate if I did.

I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying I don't know until a source comes forward to verify it in some factual way. That's not asking too much before I believe something so unbelievable--that LE TWICE FAILED TO ACT WHEN MINOR CHILDREN WERE DRUGGED?

If your source turns out to be right, then I hope all the people who know about this RUN, not walk, to every single news media they can find and scream about it until it's published in every news media in this country.

[JDB]

I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying I don't know until a source comes forward to verify it in some factual way. That's not asking too much before I believe something so unbelievable--that LE TWICE FAILED TO ACT WHEN MINOR CHILDREN WERE DRUGGED?

If your source turns out to be right, then I hope all the people who know about this RUN, not walk, to every single news media they can find and scream about it until it's published in every news media in this country.

Hmm you want sources .
1 Huckaby was arrested on a Friday Night. I told SS in the morning who was going to be arrested.
2 The Girl in the park.After Huckaby was arrested my co-worker told me about Sandra an another girl Huckaby took to a park. I told SS that days before the media said a word.
The only thing left is Sandra's drugging 6 months before she was murdered.

Many people have asked why no search warrants in Jan. It is 2 words they have to have proable cause. An at the time there was not proable cause.I mean the Girls Mom had alchol on her breath when she took the girl in. Along with some typ of drug. For all the police knew the child was drugged by her Mom. And somewhere you asked why the cops would even think the Mom would bring her in? Think about it if a child of yours acted the way hers did. And maybe Mom gave her the Benzo because of a sore muscle and the child started acting weird. I know I would be taken my child in then and now. Hoping she did not die due to a OD.

[KoldKase]

Hmm you want sources .
1 Huckaby was arrested on a Friday Night. I told SS in the morning who was going to be arrested.
2 The Girl in the park.After Huckaby was arrested my co-worker told me about Sandra an another girl Huckaby took to a park. I told SS that days before the media said a word.
The only thing left is Sandra's drugging 6 months before she was murdered.

Many people have asked why no search warrants in Jan. It is 2 words they have to have proable cause. An at the time there was not proable cause.I mean the Girls Mom had alchol on her breath when she took the girl in. Along with some typ of drug. For all the police knew the child was drugged by her Mom. And somewhere you asked why the cops would even think the Mom would bring her in? Think about it if a child of yours acted the way hers did. And maybe Mom gave her the Benzo because of a sore muscle and the child started acting weird. I know I would be taken my child in then and now. Hoping she did not die due to a OD.

JDB, you are misunderstanding where I'm coming from and seem to be taking it personally because I'm not jumping up and down and saying Sandra was drugged and unconscious six months before she was murdered.

If that's true, then it's going to blow the TRACY PD out of the water.

Probable cause? Finding drugs in a child's bloodstream is PROBABLE CAUSE alll day long. IF the mother said, oh, I gave my child a pill because blahblahblah, that's one thing, but this mother says she did not and told LE she did not, as I understand it, so LE should be finding the source of that drug and investigating HOW it got into the child. A search warrant would be IMPERATIVE to making a case for child abuse, and giving a child such a drug is A FELONY.

But I never asked why the mother took the child to the hospital, not in the context you seem to have taken it. I believe I asked why LE would suspect THE MOTHER when THE MOTHER took the child to the hospital, as others also pointed out. Then I said I guess LE could have for different reasons, like the one you mention. But in no way do I FAULT the mother for taking the child to the hospital. I'd fault her if she hadn't.

Anyhow, thanks for sharing the info you have. If true, I'm sure it will come up at trial, but I hope it becomes "breaking news" first, because it would be awful if that happened and NO ONE pushed to find out how Sandra was ALSO given drugs some time ago--and now she's dead.

[KoldKase]

KoldKase, the article I'm posting a link to quotes the adult sister of the victim as stating "Melissa brought her home".

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6773250


Thanks so much. Now I want to know what the child was doing between the time Melissa "brought her home" and the time the family noticed she "wasn't acting right". Why did no one notice this before "everyone left", meaning Huckaby and possibly LE?

And I still do not get it: drugs in the child's blood seem to have been dismissed for some reason by LE. Why is that? Is the mother of the child lying about not giving the drug to the child? Is the sister lying about not having that drug in their home?

Something is not adding up.

[Kat]

I don't believe I've seen that reported yet KoldKase. I'm sorry.

I think you're right though when you said because of the gag order we may not hear anything more unless it's brought out at trial. I'm fairly certain that the gag order might cover this case because from what I've read this case is now part of the larger investigation against MH. Something along those lines. I'll go back later on tonight and reread, today I've got a heat headache, it's 94 here already and I was out in the yard.

O/T I'm eager to hear how MH pleads on friday and see if they set a date for the next hearing.

[i.b.nora]

New Article:

Missing girl's mother pointed finger at Huckaby early (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Mother%20pointed%20finger%20at%20Huckaby%20early%2 0on%20=&id=2425522-Mother+pointed+finger+at+Huckaby+early+on&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&)

snip

"Soon after the family reported the missing girl that day, Huckaby drove back with Polk’s daughter about four hours after first taking her, according to Polk and police records. It was early evening at that point, and the little girl seemed fine, Polk said, just emotional because police cars were at her home and her mother was frantic.

It was around dinnertime that police left, so Polk headed out with her daughter for some fast food. But in the car, the little girl started to slump over as if she were falling asleep. She slurred her words.

“She was not acting right,” said Polk. “It was really scaring me.”

Polk went straight to the emergency room at Sutter Tracy Community Hospital. Hours passed, and at about 10 p.m. that night police showed up again. They started peppering Polk with questions and told her that the doctors had found muscle relaxers in her little girl’s body.

Police asked for permission to search Polk’s house.

“Of course, I let them,” said Polk, who lives with her grandparents in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra lived before she was murdered and where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her arrest.

Child Protective Services then took Polk’s girl to the Mary Graham Children’s Shelter in French Camp, where they kept her overnight. Polk said she walked home from the hospital by herself at about 2 a.m. on Jan. 18.

Later that morning, they said Polk could have her back if the girl passed a complete physical exam. She did, and the girl was returned home that morning."

[txsvicki]

New Article:

Missing girl's mother pointed finger at Huckaby early (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Mother%20pointed%20finger%20at%20Huckaby%20early%2 0on%20=&id=2425522-Mother+pointed+finger+at+Huckaby+early+on&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&)

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"Soon after the family reported the missing girl that day, Huckaby drove back with Polk’s daughter about four hours after first taking her, according to Polk and police records. It was early evening at that point, and the little girl seemed fine, Polk said, just emotional because police cars were at her home and her mother was frantic.

It was around dinnertime that police left, so Polk headed out with her daughter for some fast food. But in the car, the little girl started to slump over as if she were falling asleep. She slurred her words.

“She was not acting right,” said Polk. “It was really scaring me.”

Polk went straight to the emergency room at Sutter Tracy Community Hospital. Hours passed, and at about 10 p.m. that night police showed up again. They started peppering Polk with questions and told her that the doctors had found muscle relaxers in her little girl’s body.

Police asked for permission to search Polk’s house.

“Of course, I let them,” said Polk, who lives with her grandparents in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra lived before she was murdered and where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her arrest.

Child Protective Services then took Polk’s girl to the Mary Graham Children’s Shelter in French Camp, where they kept her overnight. Polk said she walked home from the hospital by herself at about 2 a.m. on Jan. 18.

Later that morning, they said Polk could have her back if the girl passed a complete physical exam. She did, and the girl was returned home that morning."


Thankyou. At least the little girl doesn't remember the trauma of the ER and being detained at a children's shelter overnight. She does remember Huckaby giving her water that tasted like medicine. This makes me so mad. Someone drives out of a neighborhood with a child and it's just fine. Then they turn around and accuse the mother of being on crank. Sandra's death may could have been prevented if kidnapping charges could have been filed. I wasn't aware that it's legal for anyone to just load up someone else's child and take them for hours and return them doped up. Too bad she didn't whoop the living daylights out of Melissa some night when her back was turned. There was no reason to take the child from her family even overnight. Anyone, especially LE should have been able to put two and two together. The child was kidnapped, taken for 4 hours, returned doped up, and taken immediately to the ER.

[arielilane]

New Article:

Missing girl's mother pointed finger at Huckaby early (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Mother%20pointed%20finger%20at%20Huckaby%20early%2 0on%20=&id=2425522-Mother+pointed+finger+at+Huckaby+early+on&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&)

snip

"Soon after the family reported the missing girl that day, Huckaby drove back with Polk’s daughter about four hours after first taking her, according to Polk and police records. It was early evening at that point, and the little girl seemed fine, Polk said, just emotional because police cars were at her home and her mother was frantic.

It was around dinnertime that police left, so Polk headed out with her daughter for some fast food. But in the car, the little girl started to slump over as if she were falling asleep. She slurred her words.

“She was not acting right,” said Polk. “It was really scaring me.”

Polk went straight to the emergency room at Sutter Tracy Community Hospital. Hours passed, and at about 10 p.m. that night police showed up again. They started peppering Polk with questions and told her that the doctors had found muscle relaxers in her little girl’s body.

Police asked for permission to search Polk’s house.

“Of course, I let them,” said Polk, who lives with her grandparents in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra lived before she was murdered and where Huckaby lived with her grandparents before her arrest.

Child Protective Services then took Polk’s girl to the Mary Graham Children’s Shelter in French Camp, where they kept her overnight. Polk said she walked home from the hospital by herself at about 2 a.m. on Jan. 18.

Later that morning, they said Polk could have her back if the girl passed a complete physical exam. She did, and the girl was returned home that morning."
Prayers for Lora Polk and her daughter. Ms. Polk seems to be trying to turn her life around. MH is evil.

[JoeFromLB]

New Article:

Missing girl's mother pointed finger at Huckaby early (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Mother%20pointed%20finger%20at%20Huckaby%20early%2 0on%20=&id=2425522-Mother+pointed+finger+at+Huckaby+early+on&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&)

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Child Protective Services then took Polk’s girl to the Mary Graham Children’s Shelter in French Camp, where they kept her overnight. Polk said she walked home from the hospital by herself at about 2 a.m. on Jan. 18.



And I'll bet MH slept like a baby that night. :furious:

[KoldKase]

I'm seeing a different pattern here than I have noticed before.

Huckaby seems to target single mothers with daughters.

1. The single mother with the daughter who ended up in jail accused of arsen until a second fire was started while she was in jail. Huckaby was there. That mother said she had sent her young teen daughter to live with someone else 10 days before the fire, and that was one reason LE suspected her. What she didn't say was why she did that. Coincidence? Luck? Or did something frightening or suspicious cause her do that, something she hasn't mentioned?

2. The single mother with the 7 yr. old who came home from work to find her child missing, then returned by Huckaby with drugs in her system. That mother was humiliated and suspected, as well.

3. Now Sandra's mother, who was not living with Sandra's father, but the maternal family...and her child ends up drugged and dead. One has to wonder what that mother would have gone through had the family NOT had a CAMERA outside the home?

What an ironic gift with the tire-slashing...which is an unusual act of some kind of revenge, when you think of it. It's not like the criminal took anything away, like in a burglary; just the satisfaction of knowing he/she had caused the family a lot of fear, time, and money. Whoever did that ended up giving the Cantus a video which probably saved them from being suspects, as it gave LE a definite timeline and location for Sandra's disappearance.

So that's a pattern--that we know about: three single moms with daughters, like Huckaby, ending up with horrible events happening to them, two involving their little girls. And two of these mothers ended up being suspects.

Huckaby profiled her victims, didn't she? But the weird thing: she seems to have targeted the MOTHERS as much as the DAUGHTERS. She knew who to pick, who was vulnerable AS A PARENT.

LE should look at single mothers with daughters who had encounters with Huckaby in the last five years.

There go those chills again...hair standing up on the back of my neck....

[KoldKase]

Did anyone ever find out what happened to Melissa Huckaby's mother?

I seem to have missed that. Her father has shown up, and people have asked what happened to MH's mother...but I missed it if that's been made public.

I'm wondering if Melissa was raised by her mother without her father, if they were divorced?

[xTiffanyTerror]

I'm seeing a different pattern here than I have noticed before.

Huckaby seems to target single mothers with daughters.

Good point.

Q - Did Sandra's grandparents live with her? I know I read that her grandfather was at the home the day she went missing. It would be interesting to find out, because if Sandra WAS living with her grandparents, that means MH, Sandra and Polk all lived with grandparents. Makes me go back to my theory that MH was abused by her grandfather, maybe it ties in to her pattern somehow. Just a thought anyways.

A few things I noticed in the article though:

1. If MH took the little girl to Wendys and gave her drugs in water it would have to be liquid drugs, or powder which would be absorbed much faster than a pill form. Since the PD found her at the park it would seem like she should have definitely been showing signs by then.

2. The PD say Polk had alcohol on her breath which she says is from 1 beer. I'm wondering what the time frame was for this. The PD noted it upon talking to her AFTER finding out about the drugs in the little girls system. When would she have been drinking? If it was around dinnertime, it would have had to have been after her daughter was found, but that means she was drinking and driving with her daughter in the car right?

Just some observations/questions. I don't want it to sound like I am saying MH didn't do this because I totally think she did, I just think there are still some unanswered questions.

[oceanblueeyes]

Good point.

Q - Did Sandra's grandparents live with her? I know I read that her grandfather was at the home the day she went missing. It would be interesting to find out, because if Sandra WAS living with her grandparents, that means MH, Sandra and Polk all lived with grandparents. Makes me go back to my theory that MH was abused by her grandfather, maybe it ties in to her pattern somehow. Just a thought anyways.

A few things I noticed in the article though:

1. If MH took the little girl to Wendys and gave her drugs in water it would have to be liquid drugs, or powder which would be absorbed much faster than a pill form. Since the PD found her at the park it would seem like she should have definitely been showing signs by then.

2. The PD say Polk had alcohol on her breath which she says is from 1 beer. I'm wondering what the time frame was for this. The PD noted it upon talking to her AFTER finding out about the drugs in the little girls system. When would she have been drinking? If it was around dinnertime, it would have had to have been after her daughter was found, but that means she was drinking and driving with her daughter in the car right?

Just some observations/questions. I don't want it to sound like I am saying MH didn't do this because I totally think she did, I just think there are still some unanswered questions.

I don't think the PD found the little girl in the park. I believe Ms. Polk must have called the Huckaby home looking for her daughter and the grandmother, Connie, called Melissa on her cell phone and told her she needed to return the little girl that the mom had reported her missing. Or maybe Connie knew they were out looking for the girl and knew already that she was with Melissa.

Ms. Polk said that her daughter told her that Melissa gave her water from Wendy's and it tasted like medicine. We do not know when she gave her the water. Since imo, she had no intentions of bringing her back then, she could have just given the drug shortly before her grandmother called her telling her to bring the child home.

The sleepiness and staggering must have started very quickly after she came home. Ms. Polk said she took her to the hospital about 30-45 minutes after she was returned. Maybe Melissa gave it to her so she would sleep rather than talk about her day and to erase her memory of the day and of exactly what happened in those 4 hours.

Was this notated in their final report? I haven't read that but think it is irrelevant. The child did not go home with her but was returned to her mom the next morning.

It seems the mother came in from work and found her little daughter missing and called the police. Imo she did exactly what any caring mother would do. Not only calling police but taking her child to the hospital. I know she is very thankful that her daughter is safe and sound. I wish Sandra had had the same outcome when she crossed paths with MH.

imo

[Kat]

I haven't seen this posted, if it has been please disregard.

This is a link for those that wondered where MH's own child might have been during this incident...

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/676458.html

Thursday, Apr. 23, 2009

snippet of interest:

The mother of a child who disappeared briefly in January said she asked police to talk to Huckaby as soon as she heard Sandra, a neighbor, was gone.

Lora Polk, 41, said she came back from work Jan. 17 to find her 7-year-old daughter gone. Huckaby took her -- and her own daughter -- without permission, Polk told the Tracy Press. Polk said she contacted police.

[Ariane]

even scarier - have you ever tried to GO OFF of an anti-depressant? the withdrawal is like coming off of heroin. which is why i haven't yet - I've tried many times and in my mind it is WORSE than heroin -

but another psychotropic drug digression by me from the thread - sorry, guys.

Really!? You found it worse than coming off heroin? Dont answer if this is too personal but I am curious what was the AD, and also I'm wondering did you not have much of a habit when you kicked the heroin? It is blowing my mind that coming off an AD could be that indescribably horrible. I have stopped anti-depressant and it was nowhere near the torture of opiate withdrawal. AND the withdrawal seems to get worse every time. (Thank God, after over 10 yrs on heroin, I have now been off for as long as I was using.)
Anyway, I hope the AD is helping you and you are doing well. Hang in there!
(I'm sorry for the digression too)

As a recovering addict, I was perhaps even more than most people upset by hearing that the police might have not fully investigated the January crime at the time because the little girl's mom had alcohol on her breath and had some benzos. "When you ASS/U/ME....." It is sickening to think that if they had taken that more seriously and questioned MH then, who knows she might have broken down and confessed and maybe Sandra would be alive.

It seems it is so unusual for a woman acting alone to do this...Hearing about the "Tracy 60" child pornographers being investigated, I am wondering if MH was providing and drugging kids for child pornography. http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html

[SeriouslySearching]

MH's daughter being with them bothers me. If she had other things in mind for the 7 yo she allegedly drugged, what was she going to do with her daughter during that time? Was she going to take her home to Connie? Was there a period of time when she did take her home for a nap?

[txsvicki]

If M. really did the drugging of Loyd's little girl, I wonder if she also gave her own child something in the Windy's water. She was too cheap to even buy juice or a fountain drink. Keep a child missing for 4 hours, drag her around to 3 parks, then only buy water. Water to mix the stuff in was all she needed though I suppose.

[xTiffanyTerror]

Ms. Polk said that her daughter told her that Melissa gave her water from Wendy's and it tasted like medicine. We do not know when she gave her the water.

True that we do not have any official time frame for when the little girl was drugged. The articles I have read all stated that LE found MH at the park with the little girl (I could be wrong, just going by what I have read so far) IF that is the case, it would most likely mean that they had been to Wendys prior to going to the park as I doubt MH would drive her by Wendys to drug her right before taking her back home. Then again with MH who knows.

The sleepiness and staggering must have started very quickly after she came home. Ms. Polk said she took her to the hospital about 30-45 minutes after she was returned.

The thing about this that is hard for me to wrap my head around, is when Mrs Polk was drinking. I want to make it clear that I am not trying to defer any blame from MH to her at all. I am just trying to figure out when she was drinking. If she came straight home from work that doesn't fit, I certainly hope she wasn't drinking during the 30 or so minutes that her child was acting strange - that would also mean she was drinking and driving (by taking her daughter to get food).

I'm trying to figure this out to possibly find more links between this little girl and her life and Sandra. We know they had single moms, lived in the same park, were allowed to wander the park for lengthy periods of time (IMO) alone, etc.

[joga]

which article is it where they said the little girl said the water tasted like medicine? i've only seen that the girl said she got her a water....

i have combed the two threads but don't see it, although i could have missed it.

[Kat]

which article is it where they said the little girl said the water tasted like medicine? i've only seen that the girl said she got her a water....

i have combed the two threads but don't see it, although i could have missed it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ng.01.html

out to Eric Firpo with "Tracy Press" -- the little girl apparently says that she gave her water that tasted like medicine, Eric?

ERIC FIRPO, REPORTER, TRACY PRESS, COVERING STORY: Yes, that`s what the mother told us today, that her daughter told her that Melissa got some water from Wendy`s and when she tasted it, she said it tasted like medicine.

[joga]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ng.01.html

thank you...i find it odd that she didn't mention that in her on camera interview. you would think that would have been the immediate follow up to "she got her a water from wendy's".

for the record i do believe that it was MH who drugged her, just weird about the comments.

[oceanblueeyes]

True that we do not have any official time frame for when the little girl was drugged. The articles I have read all stated that LE found MH at the park with the little girl (I could be wrong, just going by what I have read so far) IF that is the case, it would most likely mean that they had been to Wendys prior to going to the park as I doubt MH would drive her by Wendys to drug her right before taking her back home. Then again with MH who knows.



The thing about this that is hard for me to wrap my head around, is when Mrs Polk was drinking. I want to make it clear that I am not trying to defer any blame from MH to her at all. I am just trying to figure out when she was drinking. If she came straight home from work that doesn't fit, I certainly hope she wasn't drinking during the 30 or so minutes that her child was acting strange - that would also mean she was drinking and driving (by taking her daughter to get food).

I'm trying to figure this out to possibly find more links between this little girl and her life and Sandra. We know they had single moms, lived in the same park, were allowed to wander the park for lengthy periods of time (IMO) alone, etc.

This is a transcript from the Nancy Grace show of Melissa's conversation with the reporter.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MELISSA HUCKABY, SANDRA CANTU`S MURDER SUSPECT: I had taken my daughter and one of her friends to the park, which I had done for the third time that week. The mother was I guess at work, and the grandmother had told the little girl that she could go to the park, which she does all the time, and when the mother came home she didn`t know where she was.

I`d given the mother my phone number, my cell phone number, in case anything were to happen. She needed to get a hold of me. She claims to have lost the phone number. Everything was fine. I brought her back. Police were called out at the time, and I was then called by my grandparents to bring her home because her mother did not know that she was missing -- I mean that she was with me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[Kat]

O/T oceanblueeyes but the part you underlined of MH convo with the reporter...is the biggest fattest freudian slip I believe I've ever seen!

[Salem]

MH's daughter being with them bothers me. If she had other things in mind for the 7 yo she allegedly drugged, what was she going to do with her daughter during that time? Was she going to take her home to Connie? Was there a period of time when she did take her home for a nap?

PURE SPECULATION - but, maybe MH's daughter was there. Maybe MH's daughter is in many pictures that I hope I never, ever see. I don't for a minute think that MH's daughter escaped some of the same abuse MH was perpetuating on others. :( :mad:

Salem

[Kat]

I think you are correct Salem, unfortunately. I really don't see that this child would not have escaped abuse of some sort.

Even though LE stated that she was checked out and fine. They wouldn't tell us at this point for more than one reason.

[newsjunkie]

The thing about this that is hard for me to wrap my head around, is when Mrs Polk was drinking. I want to make it clear that I am not trying to defer any blame from MH to her at all. I am just trying to figure out when she was drinking. If she came straight home from work that doesn't fit, I certainly hope she wasn't drinking during the 30 or so minutes that her child was acting strange - that would also mean she was drinking and driving (by taking her daughter to get food).

What seems the most reasonable to me is that she came home and opened a beer right after coming through the door. Then realizes her little one is not where she should be, and calls police.

I next to never drink, so I have NO knowledge of how much alcohol is safe in your system or how long before it wears off. I would think 30 minutes before her daughter is returned, and then another 30 minutes before they leave for fast food would make that one beer harmless. moo