Canada-Victoria Stafford, 8, Woodstock, Ontario; thread #2

[hoppyfrog]

Post away

[doubletrouble]

could mod please put the link in the bottom of the first closed thread...i had to search to find this one as its closed but no continuation thread link...tyia

[elepher50]

As taken from 1st Thread by Jaycee:

Ontario girl, 8, missing; person of interest sought

Updated: Thu Apr. 09 2009 11:18:48 PM

CTV.ca News Staff

Police in Woodstock, Ont. say they are looking for a person of interest after an eight-year-old girl went missing on Wednesday.

Victoria (Tori) Stafford, a third-grader, was reported missing after she did not return home from Oliver Stephens Public School Wednesday. Police say there is no evidence yet that she was abducted and therefore have not released an Amber Alert.

But police say they have obtained surveillance video from a nearby high school of a person believed to be Tori, CTV's David Imrie said Thursday evening. A girl matching her description was seen walking with someone police are calling "a person of interest".

Police say they are looking for a white woman, aged 19-25, about 120-125 pounds, with a black ponytail and who was wearing black jeans and a white puffy jacket.

The footage was taken Wednesday. The high school is close to the elementary school Tori attends.

Tori is about four foot five inches, 62 pounds and has blue eyes and short blonde hair. She was last seen warning a denim skirt, a green shirt and a black Hannah Montana jacket with a fur-lined hood.

Police started a door-to-door search late Wednesday. They began an ground search at first light Thursday with about 40 officers and canine units.

Flyers of Tori have been plastered all over Woodstock, a city of about 30,000, 125 kilometres southwest of Toronto.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...TorontoNewHome

Video Surveillance Tape of Tori: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0a6oUxsEpE

America's Most Wanted Info on Tori: http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=64826

OPP Website Info on Tori:
http://www.missing-u.ca/qryUI_Intro/MPDetail.aspx?MPs=%3ckey%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblMissi ng.MID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e349%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3c cv%3e%3cc%3etblMissing.PersonID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e81 2%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblInvest.Inv estID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e1149%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3c cv%3e%3cc%3etblPhoto.PhotoID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e80915 %3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblPerson.Pers onID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e812%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv %3e%3cc%3etblLocation.LocID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e652%3c %2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblClothing.Cloth ingID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e129337%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e% 3c%2fkey%3e

OPP Composite Sketch Release Info: http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi?rkey=1704213989&view=11636-2&Start=0

The Abductor Composite Sketch: http://files.newswire.ca/156/composite.jpg

Only One Person Walks that Way: http://www.thespec.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/548070

Link to Thread #1: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82741

Will add more links in a bit.

[doubletrouble]

hi elepher...glad to see u here...had to do a bit of sleuthing to find thread #2...lol when i saw first thread closed my heart jumped as in omg what happened???

[Beast]

lol I was refreshing forever on the last thread till I noticed it was closed. Either too many windows open or Im blind. ya good sleuthing Sean...lol

[Kat]

For reference to other Victoria Stafford threads:


Canada-Victoria Stafford, 8, Woodstock, Ontario; thread #1
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82741

Canada-Victoria Stafford, 8, Woodstock, Ontario
(This thread is for posting information and expressing support for Tori's family, no discussions)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3646615#post3646615

[elepher50]

could mod please put the link in the bottom of the first closed thread...i had to search to find this one as its closed but no continuation thread link...tyia

I have message Hoppy to put the thread 2 link in to the end of thread 1 so all will find us.

[Beast]

While there is a lull in the news. What is everyone's thoughts regarding GPS chips for kids? I have heard a lot of support for the idea, and some negative. The negative seems to stem from a fear of the State being able to track the children all the time. Why they think they would want to do that I dont know. Also, as far as Im concerned children 2-12 have no privacy rights or free will to do as they please.

[sc2714]

We put chips in our cats and dogs because they get stolen or run away and get lost. Why the heck should we not chip our kids??? I would have GPS chips put in my kids.

They have that birth control where a tiny thing is placed inside a woman's arm. It's a simple procedure, hardly painful, and can be removed. I would imagine they could do something similar with GPS chips in young kids.

[Turbododger]

I think that the posture (hunched) and the odd gait that the POI has in the video is very unique. She (?) looks butchy, probably doesn't have a boyfriend.

Someone asked about the lie detector test results. According to Nancy Grace, LE does not release results to the people taking it in the U.S> Not sure what the LE's policy is here in Canada.

[Turbododger]

Is anyone sleuthing the father's high school? He mentioned in an interview about the POI looking like someone he knew in high school.

[Beast]

I think that the posture (hunched) and the odd gait that the POI has in the video is very unique. She (?) looks butchy, probably doesn't have a boyfriend.

Girlfriend then? Got turned down for adoption? Off to the states and brand new life? No, naw...Tori is too old for that

[elepher50]

Is anyone sleuthing the father's high school? He mentioned in an interview about the POI looking like someone he knew in high school.

Good idea Turbododger - no, haven't had time to sleuth it. Do believe that he attended Huron Heights Public School though so that may be a good starting point. I would start with Facebook for any groups setup for that school and just start slogging through it. I am looking for something else right now so wouldn't get to it for a bit - do you have time to go through Facebook?

[elepher50]

"The family of Victoria Stafford says they have suspicions about the identity of a woman portrayed in a composite sketch released by police."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hc0DN3daE_IItO6hqA9El7lzwn-g

[Beast]

I cannot search U.S schools in FB from Canada

[Dee10]

http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/canada/police-release-sketch-of-victoria-stafford-abductor-20090422.html

A security camera caught the woman and child entering a building. A composite sketch has been released of the young woman.

The child's mother (http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/canada/police-release-sketch-of-victoria-stafford-abductor-20090422.html#) stated the family has no idea who the woman might be. It's believed that locals have some knowledge of the abduction and haven't come forward. Police have stated they have leads as to the identity of the young woman; but, refuse to reveal what they might be.

[Beast]

Seen entering a building? Not in the videos I have seen. Any one else know of this>?:banghead:

[ChaChaCha]

Seen entering a building? Not in the videos I have seen. Any one else know of this>?:banghead:

Must be sloppy reporting. Quick someone! Email them and pin them down!

[Infojunkie]

We put chips in our cats and dogs because they get stolen or run away and get lost. Why the heck should we not chip our kids??? I would have GPS chips put in my kids.

They have that birth control where a tiny thing is placed inside a woman's arm. It's a simple procedure, hardly painful, and can be removed. I would imagine they could do something similar with GPS chips in young kids.

GPS chips are still too big in their current form to be implanted in anything. The chips in cats and dogs only have one piece of information on them...an account number. Each company has a different way to address accounts (ABC123, 123 etc.) Calling the company will give you only the homeowners information (providing they have kept it up to date).

If you look up GPS tracking for pets, all of the GPS units are external.

[Beast]

infojunkie. Not true...GPS chips the size of a grain of rice available right now. Obama has one, Bush has one. A thousand other "important" officials, and military personnel. But they say NO to our kids.

[Dee10]

Seen entering a building? Not in the videos I have seen. Any one else know of this>

I know that was the only report I saw on it as well. But from the press conference yesterday in Mom's video the press were pressing on more video footage, so....it is possible IMO. I always like to (try & really which sometimes it is so hard to hear) the reporters questions. They are asking in front of their peers, also many time for a reason. It was just yesterday, we found out it was the Grandmother that reporter her missing from a reporters question.

[Beast]

infojunkie...

the released story here

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/01/50004

and more here

http://www.verichipcorp.com/
but have to read between the lines here

what you are looking for is "digital angel"...

[Turbododger]

Good idea Turbododger - no, haven't had time to sleuth it. Do believe that he attended Huron Heights Public School though so that may be a good starting point. I would start with Facebook for any groups setup for that school and just start slogging through it. I am looking for something else right now so wouldn't get to it for a bit - do you have time to go through Facebook?

Yes, I will try Facebook and Classmates and some other sources. I heard a live interview on CBC radio on the way home (Toronto), and Matt was interviewing the female police spokesperson (Maitland?). I only caught part of the interview, but she absolutely refused to answer which witness provided the composite infomation, which made me think that it was not the man in the video, but perhaps something to do with sighting in Tillsonburg? Of course, they might be trying to protect the male witness. Also, she said that they would not be scaling back the search or investigation anytime soon, and wherever the evidence leads them, is where they will investigate. Right now the "evidence" is making them continue to focus on Woodstock. The aunt Rebecca Stafford, was quoted as saying the family recognized the POI in the composite. It should be noted from the Facebook Event, which she created, she belongs to the Alberta network, not sure if she has come here....Also, they discussed the AMW program coming up this week, and they were hopeful that people would not be calling in duplicate tips (to OPP and AMW). It would not suprise me if there is a U.S. connection in this case, because AMW's mandate, to my understanding, is generally to focus on U.S. abductions or abductions where the victim may have ended up in the U.S.

[Beast]

Woodstock is not far from the border. It is a possibility

[Turbododger]

I found a Rodney Stafford who attended Huron Park Secondary School from 1991-1995, in Woodstock, ON. Class of 1995....

[elepher50]

I found a Rodney Stafford who attended Huron Park Secondary School from 1991-1995, in Woodstock, ON. Class of 1995....

Yeppers, I do believe that is the one that I saw but couldn't remember where and couldn't get back to it. Rodney does have a facebook account too - think I found it. Good work.

[elepher50]

A little over 1200 members in the Facebook Group for Huron Park Secondary School. A lot of looking - here is the Facebook link if anybody wants to take a go at it:

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Huron+Park+Secondary+School+&init=q&sid=cf2b343334143b766fda5785b5a3f52f#/group.php?sid=cf2b343334143b766fda5785b5a3f52f&gid=2214001446&ref=search

[Turbododger]

Thank-you, I actually found it via Classmates, which you can screen by gender and whether they have photo's, I am looking at the females right now.

[Dee10]

Turbododger great work! Just want to add the aunt, Rebecca did come down from Alberta she is a college student and received an exemption on taking exams (I believe that were scheduled this week). This came from the press conference the same day as it was labeled an abduction. This girl is very smart and the father Rodney is lucky to have her down here. I really believe this girl will leave no stone unturned (I hate that phrase...the McCanns ruined it for me lol).

[Turbododger]

I can filter the years on Classmates, whereas on Facebook you can't. You know there had been some speculation on the abductor viewing the Facebook Event for the search for Tori, with a direct phone number to her uncle(?) posted there, and also it was reported that the police were combing the mother's (and father's and event member's) Facebook...wonder if they ]are[/B]analyzing the IP addresses of those accessing the pages? Like those IP addresses who look at the pages but do not post anything, would be a way to narrow it down ( I don't think the perp would post)

[Turbododger]

Turbododger great work! Just want to add the aunt, Rebecca did come down from Alberta she is a college student and received an exemption on taking exams (I believe that were scheduled this week). This came from the press conference the same day as it was labeled an abduction. This girl is very smart and the father Rodney is lucky to have her down here. I really believe this girl will leave no stone unturned (I hate that phrase...the McCanns ruined it for me lol).

Thanks, that explains the Facebook event and the way it was set-up (with an old date, so it never expires on people's events etc) and she keeps opening and closing the wall for comments, there was alot of nasty comments being made, but it is opened today, probably for feedback on the sketch....

[elepher50]

I can filter the years on Classmates, whereas on Facebook you can't. You know there had been some speculation on the abductor viewing the Facebook Event for the search for Tori, with a direct phone number to her uncle(?) posted there, and also it was reported that the police were coming the mother's (and father's and event member's) Facebook...wonder if they can analyze the IP addresses of those accessing the pages? Like those IP addresses who look at the pages but do not post anything, would be a way to narrow it down ( I don't think the perp would post)

Hi Turbododge, now we are talking about something I know a bit about. There is no way to hide your "footprint" on the internet. Every access to the Facebook account can be traced back via the Facebook logs and through to the ISP's - very traceable. Yes, even those who do not post can be traced.

[kaas]

I am not sure if this has been posted but there are some interesting comments from Tori's father and family here:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090422/national/missing_girl
A few quotes from the article:
"We have our own beliefs and we have brought those to the authorities," Tori's aunt Rebecca Stafford added, choosing her words carefully. "We've shared those beliefs and they are being investigated."
"McDonald said she has been studying the sketch, but said it doesn't resemble anyone she knows."

As the father's family reside in nearby Ingersoll, (except for Aunt from Alberta) perhaps the abductor is not from Woodstock but from Ingersoll.

"McDonald and her aunt, Linda Jacklin, announced Tuesday that they are holding a fundraising motorcycle ride and barb'ecue with live music on May 2. That family is not able to work right now because of what's going on, Jacklin explained, so the money will go toward expenses such as their phone bill.

A car wash and barbecue was also held on April 15, which was to raise funds for counselling for Tori and Daryn.

The Stafford side of Tori's family has not been actively involved with those events and make it clear they are uneasy with the idea of raising money.

"I'm not benefiting my life in any way because my daughter is missing," Rodney Stafford says. "That's why I went back to school. I don't care if my bills get behind and I end up sleeping in the street. I don't give a rat's ass. My daughter - I want her home."

Graichen's work, CAMI Automotive Inc., has agreed to arrange and provide for counselling, so that renders at least one of the fundraising accounts unnecessary, said Rebecca Stafford, who has taken on the role of Stafford family spokeswoman. "

It seems that perhaps rather that although the two families share a common goal of bringing Tori home they have very different attitudes and methods of doing so. The stress of having a child missing must be incredible, my heart breaks for all involved.

[Turbododger]

I found someone of similar looks, that fits the age, but would hate to post it here simply on my wild speculation.

[Turbododger]

Taken from Kaas' link above:

Whoever Tori's abductor may be, Rodney Stafford has a message.

"They know who they are and whether we do know who you are or not... let her go," he said.

"Just let Victoria come home. It's been two weeks. It's hurting Victoria, It's hurting Daryn. To some extent I'm sure it's hurting Tara and James... It's hurting my family, it's hurting the community. It's hurting everywhere now. It's global now."

Bolded by me: This is an odd thing to say, I think the paternal side thinks that it's Tara.

[Turbododger]

Taken from http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090422/national/missing_girl

"I'm not benefiting my life in any way because my daughter is missing," Rodney Stafford says. "That's why I went back to school. I don't care if my bills get behind and I end up sleeping in the street. I don't give a rat's ass. My daughter - I want her home."

This, IMO, is the way a parent who's daughter is missing should act, I know I would be so desperate...

[elepher50]

I found someone of similar looks, that fits the age, but would hate to post it here simply on my wild speculation.

You are correct Turbododger, we can't post pure speculation and drag anybody in that may not be connected - at least not with a direct link to a facebook entry or a direct link to a myspace account.

There is no harm however to upload a photo clip w/o name to photobucket and provide a link to photobucket pix to garner the opinions of other WSers.

Do you have a photobucket account?

[Turbododger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoeIcrvqdY

Go to this interview at 1:57 seconds and tell me who this girl is sitting beside Tara on the couch???? I don't have sound on my computer right now, so I can't even hear it. There is a resemblance to the sketch, IMO.

[Turbododger]

You are correct Turbododger, we can't post pure speculation and drag anybody in that may not be connected - at least not with a direct link to a facebook entry or a direct link to a myspace account.

There is no harm however to upload a photo clip w/o name to photobucket and provide a link to photobucket pix to garner the opinions of other WSers.

Do you have a photobucket account?

No, I don't. There are new pics on one of the Facebook site's that a user has added hair to the composite, I would like to post them here, but I guess I need a photobucket account. I will try and set one up.

[Dee10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoeIcrvqdY

Go to this interview at 1:57 seconds and tell me who this girl is sitting beside Tara on the couch???? I don't have sound on my computer right now, so I can't even hear it. There is a resemblance to the sketch, IMO.


AH HA...someone on FB last night posted that link, I too am very curious. My understanding is she has been called in as a tip. Don't know her name though... Interesting watching her demeanor as well. Doesn't look like if the police questioned her, she would be a tough nut to crack, more like the weakest link IMO if she knows anything at all. Not saying bingo, but??? Certainly worth questioning for sure IMO.

[elepher50]

OMG - this newslink is stating that they took Tara's white coat to the lab for testing. And here is a pix of the woman that Turbododger is referring to in post #38
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Tori/UKWomanWithTara.jpg

Turbododger link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoeIcrvqdY

[elepher50]

No, I don't. There are new pics on one of the Facebook site's that a user has added hair to the composite, I would like to post them here, but I guess I need a photobucket account. I will try and set one up.

If it is only hair added to the composite that is ok to post right here.

[elepher50]

Here is a better pix of the two of them together.
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Tori/UKWomanWithTaraV2.jpg

[another nosey mom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoeIcrvqdY

Go to this interview at 1:57 seconds and tell me who this girl is sitting beside Tara on the couch???? I don't have sound on my computer right now, so I can't even hear it. There is a resemblance to the sketch, IMO.

thanks for that link ... too bad you don't have sound, it says that Tori's mother has a white coat and that was taken by police.... very interesting... I still think the mom looks like the composite.

[Dee10]

Here is a better pix of the two of them together.
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Tori/UKWomanWithTaraV2.jpg

If the height description is accurate & as some locals have said that Tara is taller, this girl could certainly fit IMO.

[amandab]

OMG - this newslink is stating that they took Tara's white coat to the lab for testing. And here is a pix of the woman that Turbododger is referring to in post #38
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Tori/UKWomanWithTara.jpg

Turbododger link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoeIcrvqdY

WHOA. Does anyone have a pic of Tara's coat to compare to the one in the vid?

[Turbododger]

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/Turbododger/poi.jpg

Here is a picture of the composite with hair.

[elepher50]

WHOA. Does anyone have a pic of Tara's coat to compare to the one in the vid?

No have never seen one but I do know that in one of the earlier interviews with J Goris and T McDonald they were asked if anybody in the house had a white coat and they said "NO".

[another nosey mom]

the more I watch the surveillance tape, the more I feel like this was a mom and daughter walking down the street, or a friend of mom --- they are just walking so normally - you would think that if someone is going to take someone they grab them - put them in a car and be gone.... why walk down the street together, even going as far as taking the hand of the girl to cross the street

[Turbododger]

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/Turbododger/poi_hat.jpg

[siestalola]

Am I allowed to ask....is there another board I should follow besides Facebook? I can only find this board when I google Tori Stafford. In other words Im looking for another chat room.

[elepher50]

Am I allowed to ask....is there another board I should follow besides Facebook? I can only find this board when I google Tori Stafford. In other words Im looking for another chat room.

This is the only one I use, so I don't know where to direct you - am not ignoring - just don't have a good answer. Maybe google "Tori Stafford chat" and see what pops up?

[another nosey mom]

http://www.thespec.com/article/548292
“I know it’s Tori,” her grandmother Doreen Graichen said. “I’d bet my life on it … her personality, her body language, her walk. She’s a bubbly little kid and when she’s happy she’s got this little bounce to her step.”

“That’s what we see in that video,” Millen added. “We see a happy child walking along with somebody they’re comfortable with.”

I find it strange that the grandmother would say this and then the mother has been heard saying that Tori doesn't walk like the girl in the video - she thinks it is Tori, but she isn't walking her normal way - no bounce, etc.

I still think this is Tori in the video, but she is walking with someone she knows and since it sounds like her mother does not have a car ?? it would be correct in thinking they may be walking home from school, maybe something happened after that???? and before 6 ??? I would really like to know where Tara was from 3:30 on that day??

[Dee10]

http://www.thespec.com/article/548292
“I know it’s Tori,” her grandmother Doreen Graichen said. “I’d bet my life on it … her personality, her body language, her walk. She’s a bubbly little kid and when she’s happy she’s got this little bounce to her step.”

“That’s what we see in that video,” Millen added. “We see a happy child walking along with somebody they’re comfortable with.”

I find it strange that the grandmother would say this and then the mother has been heard saying that Tori doesn't walk like the girl in the video - she thinks it is Tori, but she isn't walking her normal way - no bounce, etc.

I still think this is Tori in the video, but she is walking with someone she knows and since it sounds like her mother does not have a car ?? it would be correct in thinking they may be walking home from school, maybe something happened after that???? and before 6 ??? I would really like to know where Tara was from 3:30 on that day??

That is the part I don't like about the RCMP or police in Canada is they won't release important OR insignificant details. Even if there was a 911 call, the public wouldn't hear it. Where was Mom at 3:30, great point!!! If we had those basics, the public would be able to dispute the timeline. The timeline is the most important piece of evidence to any case. Surely the basics should be public? FYI there was a rumour in this case a man in "a" park talked to Tara & she gave him a different timeline, which he reported. That is fine in this high publized case, but in others....someone may not have known a timeline, so to speak so it wouldn't get reported. I think timeline (police report) information should be made public, that makes common sense to me!!!

[another nosey mom]

there are some photos on the facebook page of Tori and her mom - mom with her hair down, and she looks like the composite and people are stating that on facebook.

[PattyCake]

That is the part I don't like about the RCMP or police in Canada is they won't release important OR insignificant details. Even if there was a 911 call, the public wouldn't hear it. Where was Mom at 3:30, great point!!! If we had those basics, the public would be able to dispute the timeline. The timeline is the most important piece of evidence to any case. Surely the basics should be public? FYI there was a rumour in this case a man in "a" park talked to Tara & she gave him a different timeline, which he reported. That is fine in this high publized case, but in others....someone may not have known a timeline, so to speak so it wouldn't get reported. I think timeline (police report) information should be made public, that makes common sense to me!!!

That's a huge problem with the RCMP no matter the case. Evidence & info is extremely difficult to get and in too many cases, not asking the publics help has impeded their ability to solve the crime. It's baffling.

Canada in general is very hard to obtain any info on anyone. In the states, I can practically find out the last time someone used their bathroom. Well, maybe that's 'too much info' but you catch my drift. :crazy:

Back to topic, prayers for Tori. This does not sound like a good ending.

[CarrieBean]

Did anyone catch what the "Justin Morris" post was about on the Facebook page for Victoria?

[msfittz]

Did anyone catch what the "Justin Morris" post was about on the Facebook page for Victoria?

Do you know which FB page? There are a couple.

[CarrieBean]

Do you know which FB page? There are a couple.
This one here.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=78966007726&ref=mf

[Dee10]

This one here.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=78966007726&ref=mf


Sorry, so many people trying to flip through, I couldn't find it. Could you please give a recap of what the person said?

[CarrieBean]

Sorry, so many people trying to flip through, I couldn't find it. Could you please give a recap of what the person said?
Actually, I was hoping someone could give me a recap. I saw people posting about it after it was removed, and apparently the guys account was removed. It looks like it was some horrible joke. Some guy posted that Tori had been found on Dover street and left a phone number. Not sure if the number was supposedly the home where he said Tori had been found or his number. The number was from Ingersoll. People were flipping over it. Some people called the number and a lady yelled at them saying "Justin" is in jail...or something like that.

I don't know really. I was just hoping someone saved the post. That wall moves too fast for me.

[doubletrouble]

[QUOTE=CarrieBean;3648547]This one here.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=78966007726&ref=mf[/QUOTe

ty so much for the link...have been searching hi and low :blowkiss:

[doubletrouble]

posted april 21 on f.b by tara

Tara Mcdonald just posted this comment on another forum:

Tara McDonald wrote
at 11:29pm yesterday
First of all, the ride for Tori is donations only, there is no cost to it at all. Secondly, there have been many fundraisers in which local businesses have donated money to help my family, as well as Rodney's. There has been a trust fund set up and it has a chartered accountant on it to take care of people like the nosy ones on here who think this is some kind of scam for money. I am trying my hardest to stay strong for Daryn and for Tori when she is returned and whatever money isn't used for whatever it is our family needs, the rest will be placed into RESP's for my kids. Keep your focus on prayers and hope instead of speculations. TORI'S return is the most important fact that everyone keeps over looking. Shame on those people who have nothing better to do with their time than to sit around on Facebook and making us feel worse than we already do.

[ThoughtElf]

posted april 21 on f.b by tara

Tara Mcdonald just posted this comment on another forum:

Tara McDonald wrote
at 11:29pm yesterday
First of all, the ride for Tori is donations only, there is no cost to it at all. Secondly, there have been many fundraisers in which local businesses have donated money to help my family, as well as Rodney's. There has been a trust fund set up and it has a chartered accountant on it to take care of people like the nosy ones on here who think this is some kind of scam for money. I am trying my hardest to stay strong for Daryn and for Tori when she is returned and whatever money isn't used for whatever it is our family needs, the rest will be placed into RESP's for my kids. Keep your focus on prayers and hope instead of speculations. TORI'S return is the most important fact that everyone keeps over looking. Shame on those people who have nothing better to do with their time than to sit around on Facebook and making us feel worse than we already do.

Why is Tori an after-thought?

I understand the worry for Daryn, but Tara knows where Daryn is. Wouldn't Tori, your missing child, be at the forefront of your thoughts?

And forgive me, but I couldn't imagine having the inner strength to be thinking ahead about RESP's if my child was missing for 15 minutes, much less several weeks.

I must be very odd, because my mind would be consumed with other (panicked) thoughts; not future financial planning.

But, that's just me.

[elepher50]

Sketch of Tori's abductor stirs flurry of leads

"There's that anger that is building and now that I have an idea who I can direct that anger to, it is something I have never felt before," the girl's aunt said.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/622949

[dianebs]

posted april 21 on f.b by tara

Tara Mcdonald just posted this comment on another forum:

Tara McDonald wrote
at 11:29pm yesterday
First of all, the ride for Tori is donations only, there is no cost to it at all. Secondly, there have been many fundraisers in which local businesses have donated money to help my family, as well as Rodney's. There has been a trust fund set up and it has a chartered accountant on it to take care of people like the nosy ones on here who think this is some kind of scam for money. I am trying my hardest to stay strong for Daryn and for Tori when she is returned and whatever money isn't used for whatever it is our family needs, the rest will be placed into RESP's for my kids. Keep your focus on prayers and hope instead of speculations. TORI'S return is the most important fact that everyone keeps over looking. Shame on those people who have nothing better to do with their time than to sit around on Facebook and making us feel worse than we already do.

I was the one who posed a question to her .. asking her why there was a need for money to pay for her phone bill and counselling. She stated this in an interview as to why the fundraiser was being held. I told her that the majority of counselling was free in Ontario and was willing to her to find some for her children. And that was the response I got.

[crazyladi]

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Here are the pictures that someone posted on facebook with the mystery women with hair

[MsRyber]

Woodstock is not far from the border. It is a possibility

It is about 2 and a bit hours away....and lemme tell you, it isn't all that easy to get across the border without a birth certificate.

Also, when I go across with my kids, one has a different last name, and EVERY SINGLE TIME I am asked a dozen questions regarding the different last name.

Getting across at Detroit is no easy feat.
Unless they crossed at a ferry at Pelee Island, but I don't think it is open yet.

Theoretically, they could have taken the 402 and crossed in Sarnia or Port Huron. Again, Sarnia is very hard to get across without ALL proper documentation. A single woman with a blonde kid who doesn't have ID isn't getting across.

The only way would be to bribe the Port Huron ferry operators, which I also think is a stretch. They are watched closely, for more than one reason. Those who live in the area know what I am talking about, and NO it isn't right that they are monitored like that.

[crazyladi]

I think that they know who it is or have a very good idea of what happened at this point and I think that by next week all will come out. Well that is what I hoping at least. I really dont think the outcome is going to be her alive. The heat is on whoever did this. Lets say for example this was a pretend kidnapping from the beginning just to make money, they certianly will not keep her alive now. People panick because they think they will get caught and getting rid of the person is the only thing they can think of to do because in their mind once that is done they wont be caught. I really hope I am wrong. I guess when i see the mother i see no emotion because either she set this up and thinks nothing is going to happen to her so lets just play this charade (sp?) or she is the one that physically did harm to her and she is a mental case with no emotion just like Caylees mother. Sick friggen people is all I can say.

[doubletrouble]

I think that they know who it is or have a very good idea of what happened at this point and I think that by next week all will come out. Well that is what I hoping at least. I really dont think the outcome is going to be her alive. The heat is on whoever did this. Lets say for example this was a pretend kidnapping from the beginning just to make money, they certianly will not keep her alive now. People panick because they think they will get caught and getting rid of the person is the only thing they can think of to do because in their mind once that is done they wont be caught. I really hope I am wrong. I guess when i see the mother i see no emotion because either she set this up and thinks nothing is going to happen to her so lets just play this charade (sp?) or she is the one that physically did harm to her and she is a mental case with no emotion just like Caylees mother. Sick friggen people is all I can say.

wow...i couldnt have said it better myself...great summary

[Beast]

I guess when i see the mother i see no emotion because either she set this up and thinks nothing is going to happen to her so lets just play this charade (sp?) or she is the one that physically did harm to her and she is a mental case with no emotion just like Caylees mother. Sick friggen people is all I can say.

It just sickens me that you are right, and this little girl may not be going home. Murdering a child is never an option. An eye for an eye is needed in those cases.

[jaycee]

Obviously, many of us are looking at the mother here. I'm sorry if this has been mentioned but has the home been searched? The yard?

[crazyladi]

Do you think that it is a possiblity that she didnt even know that the camera was even there?

[crazyladi]

Obviously, many of us are looking at the mother here. I'm sorry if this has been mentioned but has the home been searched? The yard?

I think that there old home was searched and some evidence was found in which wasnt disclosed to the public. I am sure she was and still is the focus of this investigation.

[jaycee]

I think that there old home was searched and some evidence was found in which wasnt disclosed to the public. I am sure she was and still is the focus of this investigation.I doubt Tori is far away. Somehow, something is being overlooked here.

[jaycee]

Do you think that it is a possiblity that she didnt even know that the camera was even there?For sure.

[Kat]

If it is proven correct that the Mother is involved, from what we've seen in other cases it is more than likely that Tori will be found close to home.

[another nosey mom]

IMO I think she didn't know there was a camera there, she whisked her away down the street because she was in a hurry to get somewhere and something happened...panic set in and something happened, of course I could be way off, but unless someone let's us know if she has an alibi of where she was from 3:25 on I may keep thinking this way

[Reannan]

Here is the mystery woman sketch compared to Tara's friend on the couch:

[Kat]

Did you all figure out who the mystery woman was? She looks to me to be close enough in resemblence to be a family member. Sister, cousin...just a possibility.

[CarrieBean]

Do you think that it is a possiblity that she didnt even know that the camera was even there?
I think it's a good possibility. I am also curious about the white jacket LE retrieved of Tara's. Also curious about the witness who gave the description for the sketch. You would think they would know if it was Tara or not.

The Father's/family comments about recognizing the sketch were odd. It made me look toward Tara even more. Especially the fact that Tara didn't recognize the sketch and didn't appear concerned with who her ex thinks it is.

On CTV last night a reporter said he had been speaking with the Father. I can't recall his exact words but the Father told him he shouldn't have said anything about the sketch, that he didn't want to talk about it and that he had already said too much. It looks like LE has a good idea about who it is and wants the family to hush while they investigate.

[CarrieBean]

If it is proven correct that the Mother is involved, from what we've seen in other cases it is more than likely that Tori will be found close to home.
Yes :(

[another nosey mom]

Here is the mystery woman sketch compared to Tara's friend on the couch:

In that picture they look very similar, do you think they are all that stupid?? maybe the friend picked up Tori at the school and then something bad happened and they all freaked out now trying to cover it up, there wasn't that much time to do anything - although 2hrs when you are panicking you may think of something fast

[another nosey mom]

I think it's a good possibility. I am also curious about the white jacket LE retrieved of Tara's. Also curious about the witness who gave the description for the sketch. You would think they would know if it was Tara or not.

The Father's/family comments about recognizing the sketch were odd. It made me look toward Tara even more. Especially the fact that Tara didn't recognize the sketch and didn't appear concerned with who her ex thinks it is.

On CTV last night a reporter said he had been speaking with the Father. I can't recall his exact words but the Father told him he shouldn't have said anything about the sketch, that he didn't want to talk about it and that he had already said too much. It looks like LE has a good idea about who it is and wants the family to hush while they investigate.


I think they all have a good idea and are being very quiet waiting for this person, close to the case, to screw up, but you would think someone else would know something, even Tori's brother - maybe he has heard things being talked about before all of this happened?

[Beast]

I haven't seen anything regarding a search of their home. But I don't think they had any reason to till now. If the suspicion of the investigators is in line with ours, I could see that happening any time now though. "If" it is Tara then she has had lots of time to get rid of whatever evidence might be there.

This type of thing is hard enough without being considered a suspect, but every avenue must be explored. With that in mind having documents to get across border would have been provided by Tara, and if it is someone that Tori knows she would would not give the guards any cause for concern.

[Reannan]

Here is the mystery woman sketch compared to Tara. They look an awful lot alike. :(

[Reannan]

Where was that rumor from that Tara had sold Tori to pay off a drug debt? IF that is true, maybe, just maybe, Tori is still alive somewhere, and we can get her back.

[Turbododger]

It is about 2 and a bit hours away....and lemme tell you, it isn't all that easy to get across the border without a birth certificate.

Also, when I go across with my kids, one has a different last name, and EVERY SINGLE TIME I am asked a dozen questions regarding the different last name.

Getting across at Detroit is no easy feat.
Unless they crossed at a ferry at Pelee Island, but I don't think it is open yet.

Theoretically, they could have taken the 402 and crossed in Sarnia or Port Huron. Again, Sarnia is very hard to get across without ALL proper documentation. A single woman with a blonde kid who doesn't have ID isn't getting across.

The only way would be to bribe the Port Huron ferry operators, which I also think is a stretch. They are watched closely, for more than one reason. Those who live in the area know what I am talking about, and NO it isn't right that they are monitored like that.

Unless the perp had her in the trunk. Broad daylight, school/camera's....wouldn't be such a stretch. Just sayin'.

[another nosey mom]

Here is the mystery woman sketch compared to Tara. They look an awful lot alike. :(

When did Tara get the streaks in her hair? Have they always been there, or did she take time out from trying to find her daughter to have her hair done?
I still wonder if they have other day surveillance and maybe this white coat person would have been on another tape too?

[another nosey mom]

Unless the perp had her in the trunk. Broad daylight, school/camera's....wouldn't be such a stretch. Just sayin'.

they have xrays at the border crossings now, and they can see if you are hiding people... they just got a trucker bringing a woman into Canada inside his sleeper in his cab of tractor,, so I don't think they could hide her in a car and not get caught....she could have been taken to somewhere in the middle of nowwhere not far from home - with no tv, paper, etc. she could be there and no one would ever know.

[Turbododger]

I think it's a good possibility. I am also curious about the white jacket LE retrieved of Tara's. Also curious about the witness who gave the description for the sketch. You would think they would know if it was Tara or not.

The Father's/family comments about recognizing the sketch were odd. It made me look toward Tara even more. Especially the fact that Tara didn't recognize the sketch and didn't appear concerned with who her ex thinks it is.

On CTV last night a reporter said he had been speaking with the Father. I can't recall his exact words but the Father told him he shouldn't have said anything about the sketch, that he didn't want to talk about it and that he had already said too much. It looks like LE has a good idea about who it is and wants the family to hush while they investigate.

You would think the family would have been fully briefed by LE on keeping things under hat regarding the sketch, unless of course, LE wanted to see how it all played out...

[TripleA]

I can't decide which one of those women the sketch looks more like, Tara or the friend. I am leaning towards the friend right now because of the thinner face, but either one could really match up with a sketch.

[Turbododger]

Who knew the old apartment was vacant and had a key? If LE has "evidence" from the old apartment, as indicated in the reports, what sort of evidence would be found in an empty apartment except DNA? Also, a report indicated LE had video of Tori going into a building with POI, I would bet $ this is the old apartment. If it is low-income housing, they probably have problems with theft/vandalism, and have cameras.

[elepher50]

When did Tara get the streaks in her hair? Have they always been there, or did she take time out from trying to find her daughter to have her hair done?
I still wonder if they have other day surveillance and maybe this white coat person would have been on another tape too?

The hair - the frikking hair - now I am started - Tara's hair has changed/altered significantly in color since Tori went missing. It has been a progression .... can be validated throughout the videos. She also has now taken to either putting it entirely up or straight down - no more pony tails. The frikking hair - rant - my thought: time would be better spent looking/searching/hanging up posters than sitting in some beauty salon doing hi-lites, lo-lites, and mid-lites to the frikkin hair.

[another nosey mom]

You would think the family would have been fully briefed by LE on keeping things under hat regarding the sketch, unless of course, LE wanted to see how it all played out...

You would think the family maybe would have been shown the sketch first?? before the public

[another nosey mom]

The hair - the frikking hair - now I am started - Tara's hair has changed/altered significantly in color since Tori went missing. It has been a progression .... can be validated throughout the videos. She also has now taken to either putting it entirely up or straight down - no more pony tails. The frikking hair - rant - my thought: time would be better spent looking/searching/hanging up posters than sitting in some beauty salon doing hi-lites, lo-lites, and mid-lites to the frikkin hair.

I thought they were cash strapped, is the hairdresser donating her services?

[elepher50]

I can't decide which one of those women the sketch looks more like, Tara or the friend. I am leaning towards the friend right now because of the thinner face, but either one could really match up with a sketch.

Looks to me like they might be related somehow since they both resemble the sketch.

[Kat]

The hair - the frikking hair - now I am started - Tara's hair has changed/altered significantly in color since Tori went missing. It has been a progression .... can be validated throughout the videos. She also has now taken to either putting it entirely up or straight down - no more pony tails. The frikking hair - rant - my thought: time would be better spent looking/searching/hanging up posters than sitting in some beauty salon doing hi-lites, lo-lites, and mid-lites to the frikkin hair.

It's a domino effect elepher...I'm started too...the hair, the big movie star sunglasses, the halter tops...give me a break, are we looking for a missing child or are we looking good?

[elepher50]

I thought they were cash strapped, is the hairdresser donating her services?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ... how in the eH3LL can they be cash strapped and still put up $5,000 of the $10,000 reward money and do hi-lites/lo-lites and everything inbetween. My hucky meter is working overtime today.

[ChaChaCha]

I actually thought the hair color looked more like a home jobbie...

[elepher50]

Who knew the old apartment was vacant and had a key? If LE has "evidence" from the old apartment, as indicated in the reports, what sort of evidence would be found in an empty apartment except DNA? Also, a report indicated LE had video of Tori going into a building with POI, I would bet $ this is the old apartment. If it is low-income housing, they probably have problems with theft/vandalism, and have cameras.

I would really like to know what they took from the old place - they suited up and went in according to the Landlady - the link is on thread 1 where the Landlady says they showed up/suited up/removed evidence and left. Would like to know what they took.

[Kat]

Also, think about this~ of all the Mother's of missing children that we have seen~ how many have we seen that were so emotionally distraught that they looked unkept when speaking about their missing child~ even two weeks past the disappearance? They have looked like they haven't slept, haven't eaten, they look as if they will collapse with the emotional pain. They look like they will never be whole again until that child is found.

Then we have seen those Mother's that look like they stepped out of a Salon, groomed and able to speak in a calm and rational manner...I'm not going to go where the end results of those cases proved.

God Bless Tori, and bring her home soon please! :praying:

[another nosey mom]

I actually thought the hair color looked more like a home jobbie...

yes the hair job was nothing too special, just noticeable - but what about the sunglasses on top of the head yesterday during press conf... it was raining out for heaven's sake - what do you need the glasses for? Does anyone know who the big man was beside her at press conf?

[elepher50]

If it is proven correct that the Mother is involved, from what we've seen in other cases it is more than likely that Tori will be found close to home.

Yes, within 2.5 miles of home and near or in water.

[another nosey mom]

Also, think about this~ of all the Mother's of missing children that we have seen~ how many have we seen that were so emotionally distraught that they looked unkept when speaking about their missing child~ even two weeks past the disappearance? They have looked like they haven't slept, haven't eaten, they look as if they will collapse with the emotional pain. They look like they will never be whole again until that child is found.

Then we have seen those Mother's that look like they stepped out of a Salon, groomed and able to speak in a calm and rational manner...I'm not going to go where the end results of those cases proved.

God Bless Tori, and bring her home soon please! :praying:

the other day I saw Tara and her makeup on - I know you still want to look 'respectable' in public, but when your kid is missing, who would take the time to do hair and makeup and pick out the pretty dress, etc. etc. etc.

[Flowercb]

I just found this Global Television special that was aired last Sunday showing psychics that have virtually predicted the same thing. Very interesting and reassuring as the person who took Tori is spoiling her and not harming her according to these two ladies.

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html

[another nosey mom]

I would really like to know what they took from the old place - they suited up and went in according to the Landlady - the link is on thread 1 where the Landlady says they showed up/suited up/removed evidence and left. Would like to know what they took.

it would be interesting to know why they moved, especially in the middle of the month - most leases end at the end of the month - someone must know why they were moving??

[elepher50]

it would be interesting to know why they moved, especially in the middle of the month - most leases end at the end of the month - someone must know why they were moving??

Yes, most end at the end of the month - I have not seen any information surrounding why they moved. Could find no reasons in anything referenced on the internet.

[elepher50]

I just found this Global Television special that was aired last Sunday showing psychics that have virtually predicted the same thing. Very interesting and reassuring as the person who took Tori is spoiling her and not harming her according to these two ladies.

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html

Thanks Flowercb, Children are usually not taken to be spoiled or unharmed so it is very interesting that they are even willing to go on national TV and say such things. Granted, I wish this were true with Tori, but unfortunately, I don't think it is headed in this direction.

[elepher50]

I just found this Global Television special that was aired last Sunday showing psychics that have virtually predicted the same thing. Very interesting and reassuring as the person who took Tori is spoiling her and not harming her according to these two ladies.

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html

How rude of me Flowercb: WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS - I just noticed this was your first posting. Welcome and just jump right in. :clap:

[another nosey mom]

http://video.lfpress.ca/video/_/_/5828787001/_/19947722001

here is another video with a pyschic... all of the pyschics seem to be thinking somewhat the same things???

[elepher50]

http://video.lfpress.ca/video/_/_/5828787001/_/19947722001

here is another video with a pyschic... all of the pyschics seem to be thinking somewhat the same things???

MOO: Pyschics normally don't get paid for giving bad news. Just my opinion - hopefully they are right and Tori is fine, spoiled, and unharmed. It would do my heart and head good today knowing that she was loved as a child, nurtured, and unharmed. But realistically Tori is not where she needs to be right now and that is with her family. Those who take others children are not of sound mind and their motives are highly suspect.

[Danaya]

Wow, I had a feeling from the beginning that just seems to be proving itself through these little things. The message that Tara sent somebody here about the money going towards the kid's education? My son is 15 months old and I admit, I still have to set something up for him. I just find "other things" to do and put it off, and if my child was missing, I wouldn't even be thinking about that. I'd be out roaming the streets and knocking on doors, bothering the police like a mad women. And the hair? Yeah, I don't think I'd care how my hair looked in a time like that.

I wonder if the Father's family is starting to suspect her now, I am waiting for the evidence that will break the case open and hopefuly not Tori's body but when time passes I get nervous. I thought she'd be found now, and a poster was right in saying people freak out when they think the only way to shut up the victim is to get rid of them. If this was a case of a spur of the moment reaction, then I don't think Tori is still with us but would love to be proven wrong. Also, the drug debt rumour is very unlikely just considering to pawn your kid off for drug money, you'd have to owe A LOT and know some hardcore people who would take the chance and traffic this child.

[concentric]

they have xrays at the border crossings now, and they can see if you are hiding people... they just got a trucker bringing a woman into Canada inside his sleeper in his cab of tractor,, so I don't think they could hide her in a car and not get caught....she could have been taken to somewhere in the middle of nowwhere not far from home - with no tv, paper, etc. she could be there and no one would ever know.

I wondered that as well. Canada sure is big with many wilderness type areas. I've read that human trafficking there is more common than in the U.S.

Here's a hypothetical to ponder: What about the Dad or boyfriend? Did either of them ever procure the services of a prostitute and not pay or something? Maybe the woman was getting payback. Is it possible that this woman had some connections on who she could sell Tori to?

[MsRyber]

I wondered that as well. Canada sure is big with many wilderness type areas. I've read that human trafficking there is more common than in the U.S.


Theoretically, Woodstock is a bit isolated...it is halfway between London and Kitchener-Waterloo. It is kind of just a little city off the 401. There are many small towns around it (Drumbo, Delhi, Sweeburg, others), and it is totally surrounded by farmland. A 90 minute drive will get you to Chatham, which is located between Lake Erie and Lake St. Clair, surrounded by forests of Rondeau Provincial Park on one side....

[another nosey mom]

The boyfriend is also suspicious looking, maybe because he is always wearing his sunglasses... or maybe because of his criminal past
the one psychic said she sees something called Embro or Estranda (sp.??) Embro is not far from Woodstock - country area... that is interesting???

[Beast]

http://www.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/carrie-and-dan.jpgIm new here so I hope Im not breaking any rules talking about a different case in this thread.. This may be old news to some..But Casey Anthonys descrition of the nanny, anyone remember that? This is a still shot from the TV show One Tree Hill "the crazy nanny".

[MsRyber]

The boyfriend is also suspicious looking, maybe because he is always wearing his sunglasses... or maybe because of his criminal past
the one psychic said she sees something called Embro or Estranda (sp.??) Embro is not far from Woodstock - country area... that is interesting???

Embro is not much more than 10km away.

Exit 232 for Woodstock, Exit 222 for Embro, and that is just outside the Service Center on the 401.

[concentric]

Another question I have is this: The woman in the video is described as having black hair in a ponytail. (I know, that sketch looks very much like two people we have been discussing thus far.) However, black hair, would right off the bat indicate someone of either asian, native american, or hispanic/latino descent. Just IMO.

[another nosey mom]

Another question I have is this: The woman in the video is described as having black hair in a ponytail. (I know, that sketch looks very much like two people we have been discussing thus far.) However, black hair, would right off the bat indicate someone of either asian, native american, or hispanic/latino descent. Just IMO.

unless you have a friend who is hairdresser that does hair colours at no charge to mothers that have missing daughter???

[crazyladi]

That is the part I don't like about the RCMP or police in Canada is they won't release important OR insignificant details. Even if there was a 911 call, the public wouldn't hear it. Where was Mom at 3:30, great point!!! If we had those basics, the public would be able to dispute the timeline. The timeline is the most important piece of evidence to any case. Surely the basics should be public? FYI there was a rumour in this case a man in "a" park talked to Tara & she gave him a different timeline, which he reported. That is fine in this high publized case, but in others....someone may not have known a timeline, so to speak so it wouldn't get reported. I think timeline (police report) information should be made public, that makes common sense to me!!!



I know that some people have blamed the OPP and RCMP etc for there action taken in this case and what has been witheld but I do want to point out that even in Caylee's case her body wasnt found until 5 months later. They are keeping some information quiet for a reason I dont know what it is but I do have faith in the police here in Canada. People have totally blamed the police and all that for why she hasnt been found yet, but realistically its not that easy to find a missing person, and to find them before something has happened to them. Some people are killed right away and they still dont have a body or evidence. Maybe the police did fudge somethings but no one is perfect and they are trying their best.

I know for sure that it is really hard to find out information on people in canada but to be honest I feel safe for that reason. I wouldnt want people knowing everything about me, i would feel violated. Although it would help with situations like this i still wouldnt feel comfortable with it.

As for the GPS thing for kids under 12, i totally think that would be benificial, and I completely agree with it 100%. I also believe that it should be manditory for the police to have everyones DNA. Although people could be convicted for a crime that they didnt commit i suppose. Just a thought!

[KaylynnCouture]

I just found this Global Television special that was aired last Sunday showing psychics that have virtually predicted the same thing. Very interesting and reassuring as the person who took Tori is spoiling her and not harming her according to these two ladies.

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html

That definitely is reassuring. Thank you for posting.

Welcome to WebSleuths!

[Dee10]

I can't decide which one of those women the sketch looks more like, Tara or the friend. I am leaning towards the friend right now because of the thinner face, but either one could really match up with a sketch.

I hear you, thinking the same thing. Also the friend looks shorter. If this is the same friend that was on video with her at the car wash/bbq. I believe her name is Sara Garland her best friend. I wrote it down the other day. At the car wash she had sunglasses on, so I don't know if this girl is the same one. Just thinking she is a very important friend to be at this interview with her. Why would Tara say she absolutely doesn't recognize anyone...come on.

[Kat]

Just a thought to share, I have dark brown hair. I'm a true brunette. I have had many ppl describe my hair as black. Just my two cents.

[concentric]

Just a thought to share, I have dark brown hair. I'm a true brunette. I have had many ppl describe my hair as black. Just my two cents.

I know it is difficult to tell in a split second the difference between black and dark brown, but then again, this is a very important detail and I would hope that LE is trying to be as specific as possible with the witness.

[concentric]

I hear you, thinking the same thing. Also the friend looks shorter. If this is the same friend that was on video with her at the car wash/bbq. I believe her name is Sara Garland her best friend. I wrote it down the other day. At the car wash she had sunglasses on, so I don't know if this girl is the same one. Just thinking she is a very important friend to be at this interview with her. Why would Tara say she absolutely doesn't recognize anyone...come on.

For real! With the sketch looking so much like herself and friend--don't you think someone innocent would say "hey, that sketch looks like me and some people I know!"

[concentric]

http://www.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/carrie-and-dan.jpgIm new here so I hope Im not breaking any rules talking about a different case in this thread.. This may be old news to some..But Casey Anthonys descrition of the nanny, anyone remember that? This is a still shot from the TV show One Tree Hill "the crazy nanny".


I'll bet this photo has a lot of commotion going on in the Casey Anthony thread! Thanks for the alert. Dang, if that actress doesn't look just like KC in her daisy dukes with her hand on the duct- taped mouth.

[Dee10]

"Ontario Provincial Police investigators, who took over the case a few days ago, said the composite sketch – very clear, almost like a photograph – is based on a description provided by an "independent witness."


........"While it took two weeks for the sketch to appear, a local officer said that won't jeopardize Tori's chances of being found alive.
"The composite was done in a timely manner," said Const. Laurie-Anne Maitland of Oxford Community Police. "It was (considered) prudent to release it now."

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/622949


I wonder if this sketch was done from the alleged other video taken of the person taking Tori into a building? A camera would certainly be considered an independent witness. The survellence video was apparently only discovered in the last few days, so a timely manner would accurate as well.

[concentric]

So the family has an idea of who it looks like but won't say. Well, I guess the mother or friend have a right to not incriminate themselves...

[Turbododger]

You would think the family maybe would have been shown the sketch first?? before the public

Right, and I am sure Rodney and family were very vocal on their thoughts, and if someone "from highschool", then obviously they have a name etc., and why would LE not release that if they agreed with assesment? If they suspect Tara, though, I can see them not publicly coming out yet, if they want to watch her reaction, where she goes, has her phone tapped etc. IMO LE would rule out the family to eliminate the distraction, and Tara & Rodney should be insisting they be ruled out to further eliminate the growing sideshow, and waste of resources (people are phoning in tips etc.). BUT LE is not doing that, are they?

If Iwere the mother in this case, I would be screaming and angry and inignant about any accusations, and be desperate to shift everything back to the task - finding Tori. It's ALL about Tori, isn't it? People act odd under strain, but her behaviour has been fairly odd for a while now, IMO.

[doubletrouble]

The boyfriend is also suspicious looking, maybe because he is always wearing his sunglasses... or maybe because of his criminal past
the one psychic said she sees something called Embro or Estranda (sp.??) Embro is not far from Woodstock - country area... that is interesting???

embro..a tiny suburb off of woodstock...i lived there a short time...we would go into woodstock to do our shopping.

[siestalola]

The boyfriend is also suspicious looking, maybe because he is always wearing his sunglasses... or maybe because of his criminal past
the one psychic said she sees something called Embro or Estranda (sp.??) Embro is not far from Woodstock - country area... that is interesting???

Ostrander is an extremely small village just slightly north east Tilsonburg. To get there you could take the 401 westbound from Woodstock, go south on Hwy #19 and just before the Tilsonburg city limits turn left. It is a very very small village.

[doubletrouble]

Another question I have is this: The woman in the video is described as having black hair in a ponytail. (I know, that sketch looks very much like two people we have been discussing thus far.) However, black hair, would right off the bat indicate someone of either asian, native american, or hispanic/latino descent. Just IMO.

im caucasian and skin so light that i dont tan but burn...yet i color my hair jet black... could be color, wig...who knows...

[doubletrouble]

did tara have her regularly scheduled daily 1pm news conferance that she was vowing to have until Tori returns? i cant find it...if it is going on..can someone link me, or if too late can someone record or provide details...tyia

[another nosey mom]

did tara have her regularly scheduled daily 1pm news conferance that she was vowing to have until Tori returns? i cant find it...if it is going on..can someone link me, or if too late can someone record or provide details...tyia

yes I remember hearing that yesterday too, press conf daily until Tori is found - she is probably too tired since she was out last night - I haven't seen anything about it today.

[gaia227]

This case reminds me alot of two others with different scenarios

The first being the little girl in England taht went missing and she was found at her mothers friends house hiding in a couch. Turned out her mother knew where she was the entire time and had orchestrated the whole thing.

The second being a woman who was jealous of her step-son because of the attention he got from her husband, his father, so she sent her friend to the kids school to pick him up. He didn't know the friend real well but well enough to trust her. The step mother was waiting in the car for him.

[justbetweenus]

I have been so busy with real life, so haven't been around much, but here I go addicted to another case lol. There are a lot of people that believe the mother is involved. I don't, but yet wouldn't be surprised if it ends up she is, if that makes any sense. With that said, I did call in a tip concerning the sketch, from my own sleuthing. I'm kinda feeling silly now, but then when you read some of the ones that were being called in on one FB group it can't really be that bad lol. I just pray little Victoria is found safe, and soon.

BTW.. someone asked how tall Tara was. I'm not sure if that got answered, but she stated somewhere that she is 5'9"

[another nosey mom]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_33911.aspx


here is a link that has a summary of info plus the following new info on upcoming show - tonight...

Rogers Cable is also stepping in to help in the search for Victoria by presenting a 30-minute special edition of GTA's Most Wanted entirely dedicated to her disappearance.

The program will feature enhanced video imaging of the wanted woman.

"The Oxford Community Police Service asks the viewers of GTA's Most Wanted to please call 1-877-537-6277 if they have information about this case," said Const. Laurie-Anne Maitland, Oxford Community Police Service.

That program will air Thursday, April 23 at 10:30pm and repeat at April 26th at 9pm on Rogers Cable 10.

you probably have to be in the Rogers Cable area, which I'm not - so will be looking for updates!!

[another nosey mom]

I have been so busy with real life, so haven't been around much, but here I go addicted to another case lol. There are a lot of people that believe the mother is involved. I don't, but yet wouldn't be surprised if it ends up she is, if that makes any sense. With that said, I did call in a tip concerning the sketch, from my own sleuthing. I'm kinda feeling silly now, but then when you read some of the ones that were being called in on one FB group it can't really be that bad lol. I just pray little Victoria is found safe, and soon.

BTW.. someone asked how tall Tara was. I'm not sure if that got answered, but she stated somewhere that she is 5'9"

so that probably means the video is NOT Tara because of her height, I still feel she knows something, or doesn't know (if that makes sense) - because that little girl knew who she was walking with.... maybe the girl is not Tori??? in the video?? but then whey wouldn't the people in the video come forward and say it is them and not Tori, etc.

[elepher50]

I have been so busy with real life, so haven't been around much, but here I go addicted to another case lol. There are a lot of people that believe the mother is involved. I don't, but yet wouldn't be surprised if it ends up she is, if that makes any sense. With that said, I did call in a tip concerning the sketch, from my own sleuthing. I'm kinda feeling silly now, but then when you read some of the ones that were being called in on one FB group it can't really be that bad lol. I just pray little Victoria is found safe, and soon.

BTW.. someone asked how tall Tara was. I'm not sure if that got answered, but she stated somewhere that she is 5'9"

Wow, that is a lot taller than I thought she was - I had her tagged as being 5'3" at the most. I have been naggering about her height for a long time now... so it is good to have this information posted - thanks!

[Flowercb]

Here is another adapted photo of abductor with glasses.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?op=1&view=all&subj=78966007726&aid=-1&pid=2965574&id=603011354&oid=78966007726

[Flowercb]

Sorry I don't know why I couldn't copy correct photo. But if you go to the facebook site you will see the photo with glasses, it has a red dot beside it.

[Flowercb]

Try this link to a new facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=186580185156&view=all

[Flowercb]

Here is today's news conference.

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip164640

[Dee10]

Here is today's news conference.

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip164640

Tara said she is 5'9 & 1/2 in height and 175 pounds.

[Kat]

http://www.canada.com/news/Missing+girl+aware+negative+claims/1526667/story.html

April 23, 2009 2:37 PM

Missing Ont. girl's mom aware of 'negative' claims

Quit pointing the finger at me and quit pointing it at everyone else until there is somebody we can point a finger at."


McDonald also told reporters at the news conference, which has become a daily ritual outside her Woodstock, Ont. home, that the strain of dealing with her daughter's abduction has been great.


"There's times when I sit in my house and ball my eyes out and I curl up into a ball and I sob. But I'm not going to come out here and do that. It's just not the kind of person that I am."

[another nosey mom]

Tara said she is 5'9 & 1/2 in height and 175 pounds.

on one of the press interviews with a former Criminal Profiler, the man thought that the woman was well dressed, with maybe not such a 'puffy' coat, but more of a fitted coat and very white shoes - possibly new, he also thinks that the 'height is off' - he thinks the woman in tapes is taller than 5'1 or 5'2 - he said she has a stride that he thinks someone may recognize

[Dee10]

on one of the press interviews with a former Criminal Profiler, the man thought that the woman was well dressed, with maybe not such a 'puffy' coat, but more of a fitted coat and very white shoes - possibly new, he also thinks that the 'height is off' - he thinks the woman in tapes is taller than 5'1 or 5'2 - he said she has a stride that he thinks someone may recognize

hmmm, I would like to see that, very interesting. I think as I have stated before I think the woman is much taller comparing that to the video walking with Tori.

[another nosey mom]

very interesting press conf with Tara...

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip164681

[another nosey mom]

hmmm, I would like to see that, very interesting. I think as I have stated before I think the woman is much taller comparing that to the video walking with Tori.

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip164640

I started with this link and just kept watching the videos that followed one after another

[Tuba]

Just a thought to share, I have dark brown hair. I'm a true brunette. I have had many ppl describe my hair as black. Just my two cents.

Describing hair color and accepting those terms falls short of seeing the hair. We can see the hair in the video. That is what I will take away, not someone's name for it. Your post is very much to the point. Thank you!

[butterfly1978]

"There's times when I sit in my house and ball my eyes out and I curl up into a ball and I sob. But I'm not going to come out here and do that. It's just not the kind of person that I am."

That sounds like a Casey Anthony statement... Remeber when she said I am not going to sit around crying all the time, in one of the tapes.

[ChaChaCha]

That sounds like a Casey Anthony statement... Remeber when she said I am not going to sit around crying all the time, in one of the tapes.

I thought that in the other thread too... there are a lot of the same statements and the demeanor is similar too. Way, way too calm and understated - very simplified and understated. I am really uncomfortable that I feel this way - since we never really know how we would react in a situation until we are there - but it seems so flat...

[Flowercb]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "

[Recovering-Lurker]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "

Oh jeez! I hope for 1) this isn't fake and 2) that Tori is alive.

[butterfly1978]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "
Wow that is a bold statement!!!!
The quicker there is a resulotion to this the better! Lets just pray it is a positive outcome!

[Reannan]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "

Is Geraldo in Toronto??? :waitasec:

[dianebs]

You would think the family maybe would have been shown the sketch first?? before the public


Yes, in an interview with Tara the day of the release of the sketch, she stated that she was shown it at the police station the night before the release. So, I would assume, this would be the same for the father.

Please note .. I apolygize if someone has already answered this questioned .. just going through all the threads now.

Also, Tara is an only child. The person sitting beside her may be a cousin or friend.

Also, it is interesting that it has been said in interviews that Tara and Rodney have not got together to discuss Tori being missing!

[Flowercb]

The moderator now removed this post saying:

"I am removing posts (and if need be, members) as I see fit. This is not a group to gossip or raise suspicions. I removed the post from the journalist because it was 1. in all caps, which is meant to draw attention and glamorize it and make it look more important and 2. I don't think we need people baiting us. If there is news, I am watching and will post it, you can also post links at the bottom.
I did accidentally remove a couple of posts that I did not mean to. I apologize for this."

[butterfly1978]

Is Geraldo in Toronto??? :waitasec:

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :waitasec: maybe he is!!


I think that this maybe one of the most frustrating cases, it definatly ranks right up there with Caylee, and Haleigh.
Its like the obvious is there but the ones who can do something aren't.
Unless They are using this to mislead the public because they want the abductor to feel confident and make a move.

[CarrieBean]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "
What time was this posted?

[Flowercb]

Carribean:

See my post above. The moderator removed it because she said the Journalist was baiting us and that they will let us know if there are any new developments.:banghead:

[Reannan]

The moderator now removed this post...."

I am glad you saved it over here Flowercb. Those kind of statements are always interseting when viewed down the road as more information comes forward.

[Dee10]

What time was this posted?

2:22 PM today. I saw it too. She also said to watch City News at 5 & 6.

[KR2tonenow]

I just found this Global Television special that was aired last Sunday showing psychics that have virtually predicted the same thing. Very interesting and reassuring as the person who took Tori is spoiling her and not harming her according to these two ladies.

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html

It says this video isn't available in our country, can you transcribe for us pretty please. Thanks in advance:)

[butterfly1978]

I dont see how the journalist is baiting anyone seeing that it didn't list a specific news channel to watch, just to watch the news it is shocking, so I think the statement just confirmed what we all think, and honestly it want be a shock to me, if they came out this afternoon and stated Tara has been arrested.

[dianebs]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "

If this is true, could it possibly Tara set up the abduction to get money? Just a thought .. she sure is concentrating on money and not her daughter .. besides the lack of emotion and all.

Also on a FB group, someone wrote that his Mom works with a man that recognize the person in the sketch and call the police. The mother was there when he called and he said the name of the person and that it was a old friend of Tara. Now whether this is true or not .. who knows.

[butterfly1978]

2:22 PM today. I saw it too. She also said to watch City News at 5 & 6.
Oh did it well than I guess I retract my last statement... :waitasec:

[Beast]

I agree with the moberator. If there was ANY truth to what was said it would not have been posted in the blogs as bait or a "teaser"

[KR2tonenow]

I'm uncomfortable with the Hair dye and asking the new Investigators to look outside of Woodstock. I feel confident that the father of Victoria can nail this abductor.

Do we know why the brother was asked to walk home mentally challenged children this day? And why would they exclude Victoria from a walk home with her brother?? The school has to be key here!

Look inside the school: teachers, aides, school yard supervisors or perhaps parent.

Feelings aren't enough to go by here, we need someone to come forward to identify this sketch.

[nursebeeme]

The all caps was very "trollish"... while I would love it to be true...that there is a break in the case... that comment just seemed like something a troll... not a journalist... would do..

moo of course

[CarrieBean]

Carribean:

See my post above. The moderator removed it because she said the Journalist was baiting us and that they will let us know if there are any new developments.:banghead:
oops, missed that. Thanks.

[KR2tonenow]

The computer gives Tara strength. What about Victoria, who is giving her strength??

[KR2tonenow]

"quote" my face changes when I change my hair~Tara from latest new conf today~

[dianebs]

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090423/stafford_update_090423/20090423/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Here is a link to a news article with Tara McDonald and Rebecca Stafford interviews for today.

I apolygize it this link has already been posted.

[Beast]

I have been looking for a current discussion thread for the Casey Anthony case but I cant seem to find it. Does anyone know if there is one?

[Flowercb]

What I have been going through in my mind that does not make sense is:

How could no other parents have seen and/or wondered why Victoria was walking home with someone they don't know. I notice these things when I pick up my kids. There had to have been another parent who noticed either at the school or driving/walking by that Victoria was walking with someone they didn't know. She was supposed to have kids over after school. You would think that one of the parents would maybe have asked Victoria about details or if she needed a ride?

This is really strange. Someone or many others had to have seen this person. And when the police say that it was a solitary witness who gave the details, I hope it was someone other than that man with his child. I'm sorry but men really don't have an eye for detail, especially when they would not have really been looking for details at the time.

[Kat]

Beast KC has a forum and all the threads can be found here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166

[jaycee]

This statement was made by someone on the new facebook page that has the many faces of the abductor:

"I'M A TORONTO JOURNALIST AND WE REPORTED IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW WHO THIS IS AND HAVE SHARED THAT INFO TO THE POLICE. THERE MAY BE NO NEED FOR AMW ANYMORE. I CAN'T REVEAL MUCH BUT PLS WATCH THE NEWSCASTS AND STAY ONLINE AT ALL THE NEWS WEBSITES. THIS PERSON WILL SHOCK YOU.....AND YES IT HAS LEAKED TO SOME OF US IN THE MEDIA. THIS IS DISGUSTING AND RIDICULOUS. WHAT ABOUT TORI YOU'RE ASKING? STAY TUNED PLS!!! "Whoa. I wonder what's up or if this is a hoax. I'll be staying tuned.

[Flowercb]

This article highlights a cable program on television tonight on Rogers about Tori's Abduction.

http://www.prlog.org/10223351-neezo-animation-works-with-rogers-gtas-most-wanted.html

[CarrieBean]

Are the OPP looking for Tori outside of Woodstock? Yesterday, on HWY 17 North, the OPP were stopping and checking every vehicle. My friend got stopped and they searched his work truck, but not the trailer. They didn't say why, but he thought it was LE looking for Victoria.

[concentric]

Beast KC has a forum and all the threads can be found here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166

Has Beast created a thread on there about that still photo posted here? I mean that is one heck of a bombshell, IMO.

[Kat]

Beast should. Would create a lot of talk IMHO :)

[Scanner]

Is someone still looking for how tall Tara is? On the 6:00 p.m. news tonight she said she was 5' 9 1/2" and 175 lbs.

[Beast]

concentric..no I havnt..I dont know if that has already been posted or not there, I hate reposting things. I am waiting for some "apparent" blockbuster news regarding the finances of caseys legal team to come in...I will include it in the post over there then :)

[Recovering-Lurker]

concentric..no I havnt..I dont know if that has already been posted or not there, I hate reposting things. I am waiting for some "apparent" blockbuster news regarding the finances of caseys legal team to come in...I will include it in the post over there then :)

We've talked about the One Tree Hill crazy nanny connection on the forum. Here's the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77021

I have never seen that pic, and it is eerie how it looks like Casey and the duct tape is over his mouth. You should post the pic over there. :)

[Beast]

I have never seen that pic, and it is eerie how it looks like Casey and the duct tape is over his mouth. You should post the pic over there. :)


The link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77021&page=4) is up there with a video and the pic too

[Dee10]

http://www.1047.ca/news.php The Staffords are distancing themselves from any fundraising being conducted by the McDonald side of the family. Tori's Aunt, Rebecca Stafford made an emotional statement to the media today. "There has been much discussion about fundraising for Victoria's family. We would like to stress the fact that the only thing we want people to be spending is their time and effort in spreading our message. Victoria is missing. Any financial struggles resulting from this situation is ours to bare."
Stafford says "with public money comes a great deal of responsibility".

[another nosey mom]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :waitasec: maybe he is!!


I think that this maybe one of the most frustrating cases, it definatly ranks right up there with Caylee, and Haleigh.
Its like the obvious is there but the ones who can do something aren't.
Unless They are using this to mislead the public because they want the abductor to feel confident and make a move.

we must wonder what the post meant by 'riduculous' - that is a weird thing to say - did they forget Tori went to camp and she is fine?? just so weird

[another nosey mom]

Are the OPP looking for Tori outside of Woodstock? Yesterday, on HWY 17 North, the OPP were stopping and checking every vehicle. My friend got stopped and they searched his work truck, but not the trailer. They didn't say why, but he thought it was LE looking for Victoria.

where does hwy 17 north lead to? I am somewhat familiar with the area, but not the roads

[crazyladi]

Are the OPP looking for Tori outside of Woodstock? Yesterday, on HWY 17 North, the OPP were stopping and checking every vehicle. My friend got stopped and they searched his work truck, but not the trailer. They didn't say why, but he thought it was LE looking for Victoria.


They are doing a blitz until the 26th, nothing to do with looking for her in this case.. The cops are everywhere and have been for the last week because of it. It is just coincidence

[CarrieBean]

where does hwy 17 north lead to? I am somewhat familiar with the area, but not the roads
Not sure how far North 17 goes, but past Wawa. It was South of Wawa he was checked. Will have to ask him again exactly where.

[CarrieBean]

They are doing a blitz until the 26th, nothing to do with looking for her in this case.. The cops are everywhere and have been for the last week because of it. It is just coincidence
I know they're doing seat belt checks these days, but that's not what it was. What kind of blitz?

[CarrieBean]

I just checked online and they are doing seat belt checks until the 26th. When you go through a seat belt check, they tell you they are checking seat belts and let you through if you're wearing one. Will ask him more about it.

[FifthEssence]

Help please.

I've read several news links and of course here on line as to WHO reported Tori missing and the time thereof.

1. Mother around 6pm
2. Parents around 6pm
3. mother & partner around 6pm
4. grandmother? walked to police station or Tara did?

Can anybody give me a link to verifty WHO reported her missing and at what time if it's other then 6pm.

Thanks much!

[MsRyber]

Not sure how far North 17 goes, but past Wawa. It was South of Wawa he was checked. Will have to ask him again exactly where.


Wawa, as in south of White River? Isn't that a bit FAR north? LOL.
I still think if they took Victoria somewhere, it is going to be a big city where they can blend in, like Hamilton, Toronto, Oshawa, Windsor etc....

[another nosey mom]

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/clip164718#clip164718

Tori's aunt - Rodney's sisters press conf today I believe

[Dee10]

Help please.

I've read several news links and of course here on line as to WHO reported Tori missing and the time thereof.

1. Mother around 6pm
2. Parents around 6pm
3. mother & partner around 6pm
4. grandmother? walked to police station or Tara did?

Can anybody give me a link to verifty WHO reported her missing and at what time if it's other then 6pm.

Thanks much!


#4. The grandmother walked into the police station.

The link is here at the beginning or end of the lst thread or you can see Tara answering the reporter's question in the pressor outside her home when it was raining & she got the tree I believe.

[elepher50]

Help please.

I've read several news links and of course here on line as to WHO reported Tori missing and the time thereof.

1. Mother around 6pm
2. Parents around 6pm
3. mother & partner around 6pm
4. grandmother? walked to police station or Tara did?

Can anybody give me a link to verifty WHO reported her missing and at what time if it's other then 6pm.

Thanks much!

Her mother reported her missing at 6:06 p.m. that evening, and since then photographs of the blonde third-grader have been plastered all over this town of 36,000, and everyone is puzzling over the identity of the woman in the white parka." It definately says that the mother reported her missing but this may just be bad reporting although the Globe and Mail is usually accurate. We will need to find a source for the report that the g'mother reported her missing I think - it has been talked about on the boards but I am not sure there is a definitive link to reference to confirm it.
The article referenced below is now archived in the stingy Globe and Mail.

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ce_login=false


"Constable Maitland said that Ms. McDonald first called police to report Tori missing at 6:06 p.m., when both day and evening shifts were around, with the result that officers scoured first the house itself (because young children can drop off to sleep like a stone, they are often discovered snoozing in unexpected places), then the immediate neighbourhood, retracing the little girl's steps with their canine unit."

http://xtremeleafan.blogspot.com/

[CarrieBean]

Wawa, as in south of White River? Isn't that a bit FAR north? LOL.
I still think if they took Victoria somewhere, it is going to be a big city where they can blend in, like Hamilton, Toronto, Oshawa, Windsor etc....

Not that far when you're looking at 2 weeks missing. I wasn't suggesting she was in Wawa, they're were stopping people on the HWY and it wasn't for seat belts.

It you read back, this is why I was asking IF they were looking outside of Woodstock.

[elepher50]

Does anybody from Woodstock know what structure/compound this is as noted in the map - it is northwest of Givens Street.

[Dee10]

Her mother reported her missing at 6:06 p.m. that evening, and since then photographs of the blonde third-grader have been plastered all over this town of 36,000, and everyone is puzzling over the identity of the woman in the white parka." It definately says that the mother reported her missing but this may just be bad reporting although the Globe and Mail is usually accurate. We will need to find a source for the report that the g'mother reported her missing I think - it has been talked about on the boards but I am not sure there is a definitive link to reference to confirm it.
The article referenced below is now archived in the stingy Globe and Mail.

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ce_login=false


"Constable Maitland said that Ms. McDonald first called police to report Tori missing at 6:06 p.m., when both day and evening shifts were around, with the result that officers scoured first the house itself (because young children can drop off to sleep like a stone, they are often discovered snoozing in unexpected places), then the immediate neighbourhood, retracing the little girl's steps with their canine unit."

http://xtremeleafan.blogspot.com/



This where the mother said it was the grandmother:
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She went to the police station to make the report - that is odd - did you hear that on the news - like is there something I can read or listen to?

I made it back lol. It is almost to the end, the reporter talks about Tara's Mom going to the police station to report Tori missing & asks how she is doing? The boyfriend is standing at the door & she starts talking about her Mom & this is also where she says she is an only child. http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/miss...rl/#clip163648 (http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip163648)

[another nosey mom]

yes I heard it on a press conf too, that it was her mom that had went to the police station, but I can't find the link to it. I wish someone would find out where the mom was after school, or where she usually is, Tara stated that it was her mom that usually took her grandkids to school and picked them up from school... if they are only a few min. walk why would the mom not walk them unless she works?? and I have only heard the she works once in a while or something??

[elepher50]

This where the mother said it was the grandmother:
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She went to the police station to make the report - that is odd - did you hear that on the news - like is there something I can read or listen to?

I made it back lol. It is almost to the end, the reporter talks about Tara's Mom going to the police station to report Tori missing & asks how she is doing? The boyfriend is standing at the door & she starts talking about her Mom & this is also where she says she is an only child. http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/miss...rl/#clip163648 (http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip163648)

Thanks Dee10 - you looked through a lot to come up with these. My mouth is agape .... yesterday she was an only child, prior to that her brother passed away last year and in today's news conference she referred to her brother telling her to just give the video tape to the blond reporter. Is she hearing voices in her head?

[butterfly1978]

This where the mother said it was the grandmother:
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She went to the police station to make the report - that is odd - did you hear that on the news - like is there something I can read or listen to?

I made it back lol. It is almost to the end, the reporter talks about Tara's Mom going to the police station to report Tori missing & asks how she is doing? The boyfriend is standing at the door & she starts talking about her Mom & this is also where she says she is an only child. http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/miss...rl/#clip163648 (http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip163648)

This is what I had heard also. Thnks for finding it, I was looking for it but I had so many to go through.

[another nosey mom]

Tori's aunt stated in today's press conf that the kids (tori and daryn) had been living with their grandmother for some time in the past... she has bedrooms set up and she has been a large part of them.... so where is this grandmother???

Also, in Tara's press conf that big guy that stands behind her all of the time, seems to jump in at a spot where Tara starts saying too much... when a reporter asks her if she finds it strange that some people think she looks like the picture.. big guy steps forward and says one more question ?? who is this guy - her lawyer??

[siestalola]

Thanks so much for finding that. I have been searching franticly to find proof of the Grandma walking to Cop Shop to report Tori missing.

[elepher50]

Tori's aunt stated in today's press conf that the kids (tori and daryn) had been living with their grandmother for some time in the past... she has bedrooms set up and she has been a large part of them.... so where is this grandmother???

Also, in Tara's press conf that big guy that stands behind her all of the time, seems to jump in at a spot where Tara starts saying too much... when a reporter asks her if she finds it strange that some people think she looks like the picture.. big guy steps forward and says one more question ?? who is this guy - her lawyer??

That big guy just sets my "Hucky meter" off to the extreme. It almost feels like the big guy or the boyfriend are telling her what to do. They stand guard and when the reporters are taking the questions in an unwanted direction, they step forward. If you watch the videos very carefully the body language is very evident - Tara actually flinched at one point today in the press conference (MOO)

[ChaChaCha]

Tori's aunt stated in today's press conf that the kids (tori and daryn) had been living with their grandmother for some time in the past... she has bedrooms set up and she has been a large part of them.... so where is this grandmother???

Also, in Tara's press conf that big guy that stands behind her all of the time, seems to jump in at a spot where Tara starts saying too much... when a reporter asks her if she finds it strange that some people think she looks like the picture.. big guy steps forward and says one more question ?? who is this guy - her lawyer??

Confirms my earlier post re grandmother having interim custody of the little girl.

How much longer before it is confirmed that mom & bf are addicts... and I don't mean the type that smoked weed in highschool.

Just a matter of time now before somebody rattles the tree... I can't fathom this mother's nonchalance. Another similarity to the Casey Anthony case - the GRANDMOTHER reported the girl missing. The bit about showing the video to "show everybody Tori's personality and how she always is" is also off the wall. Then "I miss her a lot" I am trying so hard not to be caustic, really I am...

I hope with all my heart that this precious child comes home safely.

[crazyladi]

Tori's aunt stated in today's press conf that the kids (tori and daryn) had been living with their grandmother for some time in the past... she has bedrooms set up and she has been a large part of them.... so where is this grandmother???

Also, in Tara's press conf that big guy that stands behind her all of the time, seems to jump in at a spot where Tara starts saying too much... when a reporter asks her if she finds it strange that some people think she looks like the picture.. big guy steps forward and says one more question ?? who is this guy - her lawyer??

I think that is her boyfriend, however todays conference there was a bigger guy, he wasnt the same one that has been there the whole time I dont think, and yes I get that feeling too that everytime she is talking too much he comes out pretty much to let her know times up

[siestalola]

Tori's aunt stated in today's press conf that the kids (tori and daryn) had been living with their grandmother for some time in the past... she has bedrooms set up and she has been a large part of them.... so where is this grandmother???

Also, in Tara's press conf that big guy that stands behind her all of the time, seems to jump in at a spot where Tara starts saying too much... when a reporter asks her if she finds it strange that some people think she looks like the picture.. big guy steps forward and says one more question ?? who is this guy - her lawyer??

I watched both press conferences today as well and I noticed the big guy in the back too....I totally agree with you!

Something else that came to mind today was when the sister of Rodney said that a few months back Tori got in touch with him and wanted to spend more time with him. The sister also said Rodney filed papers a few months back for custody. Didn't the boyfriend move in "a few months back?"

Lots of things coming together in my mind. IMO

[crazyladi]

Tori's aunt stated in today's press conf that the kids (tori and daryn) had been living with their grandmother for some time in the past... she has bedrooms set up and she has been a large part of them.... so where is this grandmother???

Also, in Tara's press conf that big guy that stands behind her all of the time, seems to jump in at a spot where Tara starts saying too much... when a reporter asks her if she finds it strange that some people think she looks like the picture.. big guy steps forward and says one more question ?? who is this guy - her lawyer??

i thought that i saw pictures of her mother with Rodney. She said that she didnt have a close relationship with her, so maybe her mother is quiet with the rest of them?

[elepher50]

Does anybody from Woodstock know what structure/compound this is as noted in the map - it is northwest of Givens Street.

Does anybody located near/in Woodstock know what this is just west of Givens Street?

[dianebs]

I don't know where I read it, but Tara has also claimed that her and her mother have a strained relationship as if she did not speak with her .. besides that she states she lost a brother over year ago .. then is only child and now has a brother.

Tara doesn't seem to remember what she has said previously. This all reminds me of Misty in Haleigh case.

So difficult to know what the facts are.

Also, first I read that Tori was supposed to be going a friends home after school, then it was she was going to her Uncle's. Now on the OPP page it states Tori was suppose to be bringing a couple classmates home to watch a movie. If that is the case .. did the other children show up to see the movie and if so, why didn't Tara report her missing at this time?

Also it has been said that the brother walks her home from school and this was the first time she walked alone. So, if the brother walks her home, why wouldn't he walk her to school?

[crazyladi]

I watched both press conferences today as well and I noticed the big guy in the back too....I totally agree with you!

Something else that came to mind today was when the sister of Rodney said that a few months back Tori got in touch with him and wanted to spend more time with him. The sister also said Rodney filed papers a few months back for custody. Didn't the boyfriend move in "a few months back?"

Lots of things coming together in my mind. IMO

Maybe that is what is going on.... she felt threatened that she would lose tori to her husband who had filed papers. He must have been filing them for a reason no? Plus there was something said that the children didnt live with her for a period of time last year (drug problems, abusive boyfriend?)

Like i said before maybe it was Tara in the video going home or going somewhere the boyfriend got abusive with the daughter and killed her.

Do you see what the boyfriend is wearing all the time?? gangster gear!!! and he is over 30yrs old...

My ex has no rights to my child and hasnt seen her since she was born and he dresses the same way, and does drugs and deals drugs. He is abusive and manipulative. Maybe she is hiding what happened because she is scared or she had something do with it as well.

She def does drugs I can tell and same with the BF that is a give in. I dont think that they owed money for drugs, i think that they just did them.

Tori was asking to live with him, what does that say???? something was wrong in that house. Why did they move, and why in the middle of the month?

Today tara brought out all these things that tori made..... Gawd it was like she was trying to convince herself that she was a good mother and that her daughter loved her.

My ex had a son that was abused by his mother and father and to this day he stands by them both and it is so sad because they have abused him so much. Just because a parent is abusive doesnt mean a child will show signs either.

[elepher50]

I don't know where I read it, but Tara has also claimed that her and her mother have a strained relationship as if she did not speak with her .. besides that she states she lost a brother over year ago .. then is only child and now has a brother.

Tara doesn't seem to remember what she has said previously. This all reminds me of Misty in Haleigh case.

So difficult to know what the facts are.

Also, first I read that Tori was supposed to be going a friends home after school, then it was she was going to her Uncle's. Now on the OPP page it states Tori was suppose to be bringing a couple classmates home to watch a movie. If that is the case .. did the other children show up to see the movie and if so, why didn't Tara report her missing at this time?

Also it has been said that the brother walks her home from school and this was the first time she walked alone. So, if the brother walks her home, why wouldn't he walk her to school?

I am trying to remember an old saying and I can't get it quite right but will give it a shot "If you don't know the facts (or don't want them known) then baffle them with bull****" is what comes to my mind.

[crazyladi]

I don't know where I read it, but Tara has also claimed that her and her mother have a strained relationship as if she did not speak with her .. besides that she states she lost a brother over year ago .. then is only child and now has a brother.

Tara doesn't seem to remember what she has said previously. This all reminds me of Misty in Haleigh case.

So difficult to know what the facts are.

Also, first I read that Tori was supposed to be going a friends home after school, then it was she was going to her Uncle's. Now on the OPP page it states Tori was suppose to be bringing a couple classmates home to watch a movie. If that is the case .. did the other children show up to see the movie and if so, why didn't Tara report her missing at this time?

Also it has been said that the brother walks her home from school and this was the first time she walked alone. So, if the brother walks her home, why wouldn't he walk her to school?


who is the mystery brother than??? How did her other brother die? and dont you find it quite odd that she would refer to herself as an only child even if her brother did die? I wouldnt, i think that is very weird to make that comment

[ChaChaCha]

I don't know where I read it, but Tara has also claimed that her and her mother have a strained relationship as if she did not speak with her .. besides that she states she lost a brother over year ago .. then is only child and now has a brother.

Tara doesn't seem to remember what she has said previously. This all reminds me of Misty in Haleigh case.

So difficult to know what the facts are.

Also, first I read that Tori was supposed to be going a friends home after school, then it was she was going to her Uncle's. Now on the OPP page it states Tori was suppose to be bringing a couple classmates home to watch a movie. If that is the case .. did the other children show up to see the movie and if so, why didn't Tara report her missing at this time?

Also it has been said that the brother walks her home from school and this was the first time she walked alone. So, if the brother walks her home, why wouldn't he walk her to school?

Yes, and the bit about her mom always picking the kids up from school - so what is it? Did brother always walk the other child home (back to where they used to live) and then go back for Tori and get a ride from grandma? No - they had only been in the new house a few days (in the middle of the month). Do you not now think that perhaps grandma always picked the kids up because they lived with GRANDMA???

And, with co-ops it is geared to income, yes, but you have to apply to get in and you have to agree to contribute so many hours of service to the co-op - either on the Board, or cutting the lawn or whatever else is needed. If you were a bad co-op member, you would be asked to leave - especially if there were lots of little children around and you were a bad influence/dangerous or disruptive. In addition to the geared to income you have to have a police check etc. for a co-op - lots of single moms and low-income single wage earner families - guess who would never have passed a police check (snowblower huh?) and if you are not a member of the co-op you CANNOT LIVE THERE. Vist, maybe - live there - No. Thirdly, if you don't have custody of your children, then you have no dependents and the rent goes up. Many reasons here for the move in the middle of the month???

Question? Did anyone actually see Victoria's bedroom in the new house?

I wonder if Victoria was even living with Tara & bf???? Tara doesn't offer much personal information - doesn't want to talk about the past... doesn't offer up that the kids haven't always lived with her consistently... Grandma is the hero here - she obviously came to the resue of these children. The dad's sister is much more forthcoming and honest in her prs.

Let's all be very practical here - too many things under the carpet.

Where is Tori???

[ChaChaCha]

I am trying to remember an old saying and I can't get it quite right but will give it a shot "If you don't know the facts (or don't want them known) then baffle them with bull****" is what comes to my mind.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****".

Sniff, sniff

(all cokers sniff whether they want to or not)

[elepher50]

Without asking a direct question but hoping to get a sort of direct answer. What is the hard drug of choice in Woodstock - wouldn't be cocaine would it?

[siestalola]

Yes, and the bit about her mom always picking the kids up from school - so what is it? Did brother always walk the other child home (back to where they used to live) and then go back for Tori and get a ride from grandma? No - they had only been in the new house a few days (in the middle of the month). Do you not now think that perhaps grandma always picked the kids up because they lived with GRANDMA???

And, with co-ops it is geared to income, yes, but you have to apply to get in and you have to agree to contribute so many hours of service to the co-op - either on the Board, or cutting the lawn or whatever else is needed. If you were a bad co-op member, you would be asked to leave - especially if there were lots of little children around and you were a bad influence/dangerous or disruptive. In addition to the geared to income you have to have a police check etc. for a co-op - lots of single moms and low-income single wage earner families - guess who would never have passed a police check (snowblower huh?) and if you are not a member of the co-op you CANNOT LIVE THERE. Vist, maybe - live there - No. Thirdly, if you don't have custody of your children, then you have no dependents and the rent goes up. Many reasons here for the move in the middle of the month???

Question? Did anyone actually see Victoria's bedroom in the new house?

I wonder if Victoria was even living with Tara & bf???? Tara doesn't offer much personal information - doesn't want to talk about the past... doesn't offer up that the kids haven't always lived with her consistently... Grandma is the hero here - she obviously came to the resue of these children. The dad's sister is much more forthcoming and honest in her prs.

Let's all be very practical here - too many things under the carpet.

Where is Tori???

ChaChaCha, WOW..... thats enlightening. I had no idea how Co-ops were run. Everything you said makes alot of sense! Thanks

[elepher50]

Ah ... got the answer...cocaine .... yeppers.

[siestalola]

I've been wondering this for a few days now and yesterday I was so hoping a Reporter was gonna ask Tara this at her press conference. Were you home after school the day Tori went missing? Who was? Is anybody home for the kids arrival from school?

Have any of you ever read or heard where Tara was after school that day?

[ChaChaCha]

I've been wondering this for a few days now and yesterday I was so hoping a Reporter was gonna ask Tara this at her press conference. Were you home after school the day Tori went missing? Who was? Is anybody home for the kids arrival from school?

Have any of you ever read or heard where Tara was after school that day?

I think I heard that the brother arrived home about 4:15, and mom asked where his sister was ... they apparently re-traced her route back to the school... hmmmm...I wonder if anyone saw mom & brother walking back towards the school looking for little girl???

[siestalola]

Does anybody located near/in Woodstock know what this is just west of Givens Street?

Hi, Can you please enlarge the picture to show where it is in reference to a major highway? I think I know what it is but I need to see a larger view

[crazyladi]

Yes, and the bit about her mom always picking the kids up from school - so what is it? Did brother always walk the other child home (back to where they used to live) and then go back for Tori and get a ride from grandma? No - they had only been in the new house a few days (in the middle of the month). Do you not now think that perhaps grandma always picked the kids up because they lived with GRANDMA???

And, with co-ops it is geared to income, yes, but you have to apply to get in and you have to agree to contribute so many hours of service to the co-op - either on the Board, or cutting the lawn or whatever else is needed. If you were a bad co-op member, you would be asked to leave - especially if there were lots of little children around and you were a bad influence/dangerous or disruptive. In addition to the geared to income you have to have a police check etc. for a co-op - lots of single moms and low-income single wage earner families - guess who would never have passed a police check (snowblower huh?) and if you are not a member of the co-op you CANNOT LIVE THERE. Vist, maybe - live there - No. Thirdly, if you don't have custody of your children, then you have no dependents and the rent goes up. Many reasons here for the move in the middle of the month???

Question? Did anyone actually see Victoria's bedroom in the new house?

I wonder if Victoria was even living with Tara & bf???? Tara doesn't offer much personal information - doesn't want to talk about the past... doesn't offer up that the kids haven't always lived with her consistently... Grandma is the hero here - she obviously came to the resue of these children. The dad's sister is much more forthcoming and honest in her prs.

Let's all be very practical here - too many things under the carpet.

Where is Tori???



Or is she the hero??? how tall is the grandmother??? Where is grandma anyways?

[siestalola]

Or is she the hero??? how tall is the grandmother??? Where is grandma anyways?

Grandma was on both the 6:00 and 11:00 news tonight being interviewed. CTV National News.

[ChaChaCha]

Where is James? James had a court appearance on monday - havent seen him since - just the big guy at the news conference... hmmmm

I just popped over to the Facebook for Tori... sure is rumbling over there. Popular concensus is that OPP know what has happened and are just taking the time to build their case...

[tigerfan11]

Does anybody located near/in Woodstock know what this is just west of Givens Street?

This structure is an auto parts manufacturing facility called Arcelor Mittal (formerly Copperweld).

Why do you ask?

[Reannan]

I hope this enhanced video gets released:

"NEEZO Animation has digitally enhanced the details in the footage, and created a 3D model of the woman, moving her to the foreground, in the hopes of triggering an eye witness’ memory, and helping with the investigation."

http://tinyurl.com/cm94jh

[dianebs]

I am trying to remember an old saying and I can't get it quite right but will give it a shot "If you don't know the facts (or don't want them known) then baffle them with bull****" is what comes to my mind.

LOL! That's Tara's whole problem, she doesn't remember what was her original bull**** .. on FB, we have asked her politely questions about it all, but she won't respond. And of course in todays press she was saying how mean we were. I only asked her why she needed money for her phone bill and told her the majority of counselling is free and would be gladly to help her in finding the resources she needs. Of course she blew up at me, blah blah blah.

[dianebs]

Grandma was on both the 6:00 and 11:00 news tonight being interviewed. CTV National News.

What is Grandma's name? I have never seen Tara's mother, so I assume Doreen?

[dianebs]

Without asking a direct question but hoping to get a sort of direct answer. What is the hard drug of choice in Woodstock - wouldn't be cocaine would it?


I don't live in Woodstock, but in Hamilton it is big problem and Toronto. I would assume it would be, since it is southern Ontario.

[justbetweenus]

Grandma was on both the 6:00 and 11:00 news tonight being interviewed. CTV National News.

I missed the news tonight, and would have liked to have seen that.

[dianebs]

Where is James? James had a court appearance on monday - havent seen him since - just the big guy at the news conference... hmmmm

I just popped over to the Facebook for Tori... sure is rumbling over there. Popular concensus is that OPP know what has happened and are just taking the time to build their case...

I read on FB, that someone read in an article that the police said they are searching the dump for Tori's clothes.

The OPP have to know a lot to be searching for Tori's clothes! Just the fact they are searching for her clothes is not a good sign.

[justbetweenus]

Where is James? James had a court appearance on monday - havent seen him since - just the big guy at the news conference... hmmmm

I just popped over to the Facebook for Tori... sure is rumbling over there. Popular concensus is that OPP know what has happened and are just taking the time to build their case...

Oh ChaCha you must have missed the chatter about James over there. Apparently he was in the hotel Tuesday night drinking the donation money.

Seriously, he needs to stay away. With his recent court appearances and past probs, he is only going to take the focus off Tori, if he was to be anywhere near a press conf.

Yea...right, I'm sure the police released the sketch because they know exactly who that person is. Just putting the heat on her. (wink was suppose to be down here lol)

[justbetweenus]

I read on FB, that someone read in an article that the police said they are searching the dump for Tori's clothes.

The OPP have to know a lot to be searching for Tori's clothes! Just the fact they are searching for her clothes is not a good sign.

That is true they are. I think they're probablly looking for anything, clothes, purse, coat....

Just wanted to add here. In my opinion, and I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think the police really know anything. It almost seems they are looking for a body, then go from there.

[Lovejac]

I think I heard that the brother arrived home about 4:15, and mom asked where his sister was ... they apparently re-traced her route back to the school... hmmmm...I wonder if anyone saw mom & brother walking back towards the school looking for little girl???


or, if the camera caught it, or didn't catch it.

[doubletrouble]

Maybe that is what is going on.... she felt threatened that she would lose tori to her husband who had filed papers. He must have been filing them for a reason no? Plus there was something said that the children didnt live with her for a period of time last year (drug problems, abusive boyfriend?)

Like i said before maybe it was Tara in the video going home or going somewhere the boyfriend got abusive with the daughter and killed her.

Do you see what the boyfriend is wearing all the time?? gangster gear!!! and he is over 30yrs old...

My ex has no rights to my child and hasnt seen her since she was born and he dresses the same way, and does drugs and deals drugs. He is abusive and manipulative. Maybe she is hiding what happened because she is scared or she had something do with it as well.

She def does drugs I can tell and same with the BF that is a give in. I dont think that they owed money for drugs, i think that they just did them.

Tori was asking to live with him, what does that say???? something was wrong in that house. Why did they move, and why in the middle of the month?

Today tara brought out all these things that tori made..... Gawd it was like she was trying to convince herself that she was a good mother and that her daughter loved her.

My ex had a son that was abused by his mother and father and to this day he stands by them both and it is so sad because they have abused him so much. Just because a parent is abusive doesnt mean a child will show signs either.

very well written and i agree craziladi....exept may be leaning towards the mom owed money on a huge debt and her daughter is collateral...and mom concucting a plan to raise reward monies to get her daughter back...knowing her daughter will be okay...its the money not her daughter they want...people offering rewards...i.e padilla having jumped into many cases in the past..and perhaps she thought the reward would be higher by well wishers as well...i dont know..im not convinced...rumors from richmondhill ontario, which is outside of toronto where my sister lives... about 20 minutes drive....dont know...but hinky indeed:bang:

[elepher50]

Or is she the hero??? how tall is the grandmother??? Where is grandma anyways?

This is the grandmother I believe (Tara's mother - Linda Winters) - just click on the pix to enlarge it:

http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Tori/?action=view&current=FamPixApril18.jpg

[elepher50]

What is Grandma's name? I have never seen Tara's mother, so I assume Doreen?

Doreen is Rodney's mother.

[elepher50]

This structure is an auto parts manufacturing facility called Arcelor Mittal (formerly Copperweld).

Why do you ask?

Thanks Tigerfan11, The area between the end of Givins Street and the auto parts manufacturing facility may be a good place to search if it hasn't been already. There is a possibility that the best friend of Tara (pix of them sitting together doing the interview) lives on Givins Street. Some WS members have noted that the best friend resembles the composite sketch. Also if there are any dumpsters at that auto place - they should be checked for any discarded clothing, etc.

[doubletrouble]

did tm even have a telephone? they just moved in 5 days ago, would tori know the number? maybe they had it changed over...seems to me that grandma may have more info than the mom since the kids had rooms and stayed over a grandmas alot...maybe tara doesnt recall much,...maybe it is drug usage...she seems to be trying hard to justify and explain things....
one day someone comments that oh her hair is pulled up and sunglasses on for a reason, the next day tara has glasses up and hair down... just not sitting right..she is much to comfortable with this whole situation....one in where there would be no consoling me...i.e cantu mother

just ranting..sorry

[another nosey mom]

I've been catching up this morning, reading all of the notes, it is very weird that Tara's mom isn't more visible in this search since she knows Tori very well... saw her in the picture with Rodney and his family...I still would like to know if Tara was at her home waiting for her kids to walk home after school... in one breathe she says her mom usually drives them home and in another she says they walk home and it sometimes takes them a while to get home since they walk with friends, etc... so why would Tori walk home alone that day or with this person if she usually either gets picked up or walks with friends/brother. I think she does too many drugs and then cant remember what is going on or what she said. Something also about the quietness of her move, and her neighbours new/old are saying anything - you would think you would hear things about how they were??

[doubletrouble]

oh and something strange she said in her last presser...well we hadnt worked out the details yet for the kids coming home...we just moved here...tori didnt know if she was walking home or driven...it was still too early in the planning stages...something to that affect
im sorry but if i take my child to school, even on the first day...i will go thru with them as many times as i need to ...walk them to parent pick up, or her bro classroom, or have her repeat several times where she will be waiting for me by what post to be picked up at...
sounds to me like the kids went to school, and mom is clueless how they got home as there was never a plan....they just usually got home...(guess the brother saw to it in past of the grandma picked them up )...hhhmmm

[CarrieBean]

did tm even have a telephone? they just moved in 5 days ago, would tori know the number? maybe they had it changed over...seems to me that grandma may have more info than the mom since the kids had rooms and stayed over a grandmas alot...maybe tara doesnt recall much,...maybe it is drug usage...she seems to be trying hard to justify and explain things....
one day someone comments that oh her hair is pulled up and sunglasses on for a reason, the next day tara has glasses up and hair down... just not sitting right..she is much to comfortable with this whole situation....one in where there would be no consoling me...i.e cantu mother

just ranting..sorry
I was wondering too if she had a phone since it was said that one of them walked to the police station to report Victoria missing.

[another nosey mom]

oh and something strange she said in her last presser...well we hadnt worked out the details yet for the kids coming home...we just moved here...tori didnt know if she was walking home or driven...it was still too early in the planning stages...something to that affect
im sorry but if i take my child to school, even on the first day...i will go thru with them as many times as i need to ...walk them to parent pick up, or her bro classroom, or have her repeat several times where she will be waiting for me by what post to be picked up at...
sounds to me like the kids went to school, and mom is clueless how they got home as there was never a plan....they just usually got home...(guess the brother saw to it in past of the grandma picked them up )...hhhmmm

I hope something comes out soon because this drives me crazy that a mom of an 8 year old that is missing, tells press stuff like this and thinks it is okay, for a mom to say either they get a ride or they walk home and they get home when they get home.... I just don't know... my kids are teenagers and we live a 5min walk from school... I am still calling them 15 min after they should be home to make sure they are and they know to call me if they aren't going to be... this is just something you don't let 2 young kids make their own rules about coming home - so why didn't grandma pick them up that day??? was it a friend of grandmas' that picked Tori up - maybe it was grandma - she also has long dark hair in a pony tail in one of the pictures I saw (Graichen) is her last name

[another nosey mom]

I was wondering too if she had a phone since it was said that one of them walked to the police station to report Victoria missing.

how far is the police station ?? and if you live in a duplex and don't have a phone and your kid is missing, why would you not just ask the neighbours and call the police

[CarrieBean]

how far is the police station ?? and if you live in a duplex and don't have a phone and your kid is missing, why would you not just ask the neighbours and call the police
You would think.

[crazyladi]

I was wondering too if she had a phone since it was said that one of them walked to the police station to report Victoria missing.


well this is the weird thing, the grandmother picked them up from school supposably everyday, but not that day, and did not have a car to drive to the police station??? what happened to the car?