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Valhall
04-25-2009, 08:43 AM
I'd like to discuss a particular claim made by CA very early on in the investigation (I believe as early as the 07/30/08 FBI interview, but at least as early as the 08/04/08 OCSO interview). CA has maintained all along that she "talked to KC" almost every day. This claim is also supported second-hand by GA in the 07/08/08 Greta interview when he recalls the conversation with KC just prior to the gas can incident. He recalls he asked KC, "Have you been talking to mom?" And he states KC responded, "Oh, yeah, I talk to mom every day." He then goes further and asks, "I know, but did you talk to mom today?" He then says she hesitates and states, "Yeah. Oh, by the way, it's a shame what happened in the shed."

At this point in the Greta interview CA states (at about 1:02 minutes left in the video)..."Yeah, cause I had called her. I had talked to her about it."

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963763&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/caylee/index.html

Okay, up until this point I had given CA the benefit of the doubt (yeah, beat me with a wet noodle) that when she stated to LE that she had "talked to KC almost every day" that she was being broad in that statement and included in those communications text messages. Because she does state in one of the LE interviews (either FBI or OCSO) that in June KC resorted to texting instead of phone calls.

But in this particular Greta interview she explicitly states she called her and talked to her about it. Now, when we combine the conversations CA talks about having with KC as referred to in the LE interviews (those conversations being recalled by CA as being lengthy - i.e. I'm in Tampa in the hospital because Zani had a car wreck and she's got fractures and concussions and Caylee is with Jennifer, and blah blah blah), we have a real issue (and several unanswered questions) due to the discrepancy between the claim CA is making and the phone records.

On June 20 at 2:54 pm there is a 6 minute phone call between KC and CA. This call is initiated by KC and it is to Gentiva. This is the LAST phone call in which KC and CA actually talk until 07/03 according to KC's cell phone records. Now, nothing can be said about whether texting took place during this time, but, according to the released phone records, NO conversation took place via KC's cell phone with CA between 2:54 pm June 20th and 3:21 pm July 3rd. AND, to be specific, there is not even an ATTEMPTED call by CA to KC's phone anywhere before 7:05 p.m. on June 24th (the day of the gas can incident).

As a first pass we might be tempted to say "just another Cindy-lie" and go on about our business. But there's the problem of GA's account of the conversation on June 24th in which KC states she has been made aware of the break-in. Now, of course KC knows about the break-in because she did it. But she has no way of knowing it has been discovered by her father or that his question "yeah, but did you talk to mom today?" was referring to the fact the shed had been discovered to be broken into. She had to have literally spoken with CA that day prior to coming to the house.

But how? How did CA call KC on the day of June 24th? And if there is ANY truth to these lengthy conversations taking place between KC and CA in the time period from June 21st through July 2nd - how were they taking place?

natsound
04-25-2009, 08:54 AM
Valhall, I'm pulling the following from a "momtective" post in the currently active thread about CA computer forensics. I believe momtective just posted this yesterday. Apparenly there was indeed telephone activity between CA and KC on June 24. BUT... CA thought KC was on a trip at that time. So how could she have ALSO known about the gas can incident? That would have required KC to be at home.

June 24th
Cindy talked to Casey by phone. Casey said they were getting ready to leave the hospital but Zani began having complications, punctured lung and fractured rib but that the lung was not fully collapsed. Zani’s sister brought Zani’s mother to the hospital but forgot her meds so they had to go back home. Zani wasn’t released so Casey stayed with her again. Cindy said in their conversation she had words with Casey that it was Zani’s family’s obligation to take care of Zani and not Caseys. Caseys responsibility was Caylee. (Should have been a lengthy conversation)

June 24th
Casey still at the hospital with Zani
14:49:06 Casey calls Cindy’s cell no answer
14:49:31 Casey calls Cindy’s cell 4 sec
14:49:47 Casey calls Cindy’s cell no answer
14:50:11 Casey calls Cindy’s cell 1 min call
15:15:18 Cindy calls Casey 4 minute conversation
17:25:53 Casey calls Cindy’s cell 10 minute conversation
19:05:06 Anthony home calls Casey 4 sec
19:06:10 Casey calls Anthony home 12 minute conversation

momtective
04-25-2009, 08:55 AM
I'd like to discuss a particular claim made by CA very early on in the investigation (I believe as early as the 07/30/08 FBI interview, but at least as early as the 08/04/08 OCSO interview). CA has maintained all along that she "talked to KC" almost every day. This claim is also supported second-hand by GA in the 07/08/08 Greta interview when he recalls the conversation with KC just prior to the gas can incident. He recalls he asked KC, "Have you been talking to mom?" And he states KC responded, "Oh, yeah, I talk to mom every day." He then goes further and asks, "I know, but did you talk to mom today?" He then says she hesitates and states, "Yeah. Oh, by the way, it's a shame what happened in the shed."

At this point in the Greta interview CA states (at about 1:02 minutes left in the video)..."Yeah, cause I had called her. I had talked to her about it."

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963763&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/caylee/index.html

Okay, up until this point I had given CA the benefit of the doubt (yeah, beat me with a wet noodle) that when she stated to LE that she had "talked to KC almost every day" that she was being broad in that statement and included in those communications text messages. Because she does state in one of the LE interviews (either FBI or OCSO) that in June KC resorted to texting instead of phone calls.

But in this particular Greta interview she explicitly states she called her and talked to her about it. Now, when we combine the conversations CA talks about having with KC as referred to in the LE interviews (those conversations being recalled by CA as being lengthy - i.e. I'm in Tampa in the hospital because Zani had a car wreck and she's got fractures and concussions and Caylee is with Jennifer, and blah blah blah), we have a real issue (and several unanswered questions) due to the discrepancy between the claim CA is making and the phone records.

On June 20 at 2:54 pm there is a 6 minute phone call between KC and CA. This call is initiated by KC and it is to Gentiva. This is the LAST phone call in which KC and CA actually talk until 07/03 according to KC's cell phone records. Now, nothing can be said about whether texting took place during this time, but, according to the released phone records, NO conversation took place via KC's cell phone with CA between 2:54 pm June 20th and 3:21 pm July 3rd. AND, to be specific, there is not even an ATTEMPTED call by CA to KC's phone anywhere before 7:05 p.m. on June 24th (the day of the gas can incident).

As a first pass we might be tempted to say "just another Cindy-lie" and go on about our business. But there's the problem of GA's account of the conversation on June 24th in which KC states she has been made aware of the break-in. Now, of course KC knows about the break-in because she did it. But she has no way of knowing it has been discovered by her father or that his question "yeah, but did you talk to mom today?" was referring to the fact the shed had been discovered to be broken into. She had to have literally spoken with CA that day prior to coming to the house.

But how? How did CA call KC on the day of June 24th? And if there is ANY truth to these lengthy conversations taking place between KC and CA in the time period from June 21st through July 2nd - how were they taking place?

Yes and no, here is Cindy's FBI Interview with cell log info http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75577
I for one can't wait for CA's & KC's entire phone records with texts is released.

jjgram
04-25-2009, 09:00 AM
:clap::clap::clap:
great thoughts & great info re: phone calls & Messages etc !

This story : re the 31 days... is just such a BIG MYSTERY & Mess !!!

with the lies mixed in Who the Heck ~ K N O W S ~ ? ? ?:confused: :waitasec: :confused: :waitasec: :confused::liar::liar::liar::liar::liar::sick::sic k::sick:
I'm going to try
to t h i n k about this some more... but
it is hard !


~~~~~ Thanks for your hard work & helping to
Seek ~ Justice ~ for Little Angel CAYLEE ! ! !
jmo

God Bless !
jjgram

Valhall
04-25-2009, 09:01 AM
In the post you linked you have the following:


June 24th
Casey still at the hospital with Zani
14:49:06 Casey calls Cindy’s cell no answer
14:49:31 Casey calls Cindy’s cell 4 sec
14:49:47 Casey calls Cindy’s cell no answer
14:50:11 Casey calls Cindy’s cell 1 min call
15:15:18 Cindy calls Casey 4 minute conversation
17:25:53 Casey calls Cindy’s cell 10 minute conversation
19:05:06 Anthony home calls Casey 4 sec
19:06:10 Casey calls Anthony home 12 minute conversation

Could you please supply me with the document these particular call records come from?

Please note - it STILL does not show that CA talked to KC prior to the conversation with GA on the 24th.

But, if you would please link which discovery doc these records came from, I would greatly appreciate it.

natsound
04-25-2009, 09:03 AM
Did CA even mention this mysterious Hard Rock/Marriot/Zani gets injured trip during the interview with Greta?

Valhall
04-25-2009, 09:04 AM
Did CA even mention this mysterious Hard Rock/Marriot/Zani gets injured trip during the interview with Greta?

No...that was in the interviews with FBI and OCSO.

jjgram
04-25-2009, 09:05 AM
:waitasec:

wonder if KC sometimes borrowed other people's cell phones ?

or other people's HOME Phones.... ?

Just think'n...... cause she used other people's $ $ $ MONEY'$


Jmo
jjgram

GOD BLESS ! KEEP UP THE GRRRREAT WORK ! ! ! :blowkiss:

Valhall
04-25-2009, 09:05 AM
duh

Ignore my request, i just found the link at the bottom of your post. Looking now. :up:

momtective
04-25-2009, 09:06 AM
This is what I was looking at last night...comparing these three docs
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_C_AnthonyPt1_080108.htm
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75577
source records http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/...rds_615_to_716

Valhall
04-25-2009, 09:10 AM
momtective,

Thanks so much for the links. The phone records have been the biggest pain to get straight for me in this whole thing.

I have a question about this particular link...

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/...rds_615_to_716

Is that straight from a released discovery document? or was it created by some one? And if you know (sorry for all the trouble) can you tell me what doc dump date that is in? Because I'm struggling to find it in my documents.

Thank you! This is going to help me a bunch.

natsound
04-25-2009, 09:10 AM
No...that was in the interviews with FBI and OCSO.


Stands out like a sore thumb she didn't mention it to Greta, though.

momtective
04-25-2009, 09:29 AM
momtective,

Thanks so much for the links. The phone records have been the biggest pain to get straight for me in this whole thing.

I have a question about this particular link...

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/...rds_615_to_716

Is that straight from a released discovery document? or was it created by some one? And if you know (sorry for all the trouble) can you tell me what doc dump date that is in? Because I'm struggling to find it in my documents.

Thank you! This is going to help me a bunch.

I've only seen part 1 of the OCSO in transcript in the docs...wonder why part 2 where this very convo about Zani, Tampa etc took place hasn't been released? I believe what I provided you with was transcribed by another individual fromlistening to the videos of the interview.
I have to run my boys to a ball game but I'll try to help you more when I return.

Valhall
04-25-2009, 09:55 AM
I've only seen part 1 of the OCSO in transcript in the docs...wonder why part 2 where this very convo about Zani, Tampa etc took place hasn't been released? I believe what I provided you with was transcribed by another individual fromlistening to the videos of the interview.
I have to run my boys to a ball game but I'll try to help you more when I return.

The problem I have is that this file

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

doesn't appear to be a transciption from an interview. No where in any interview I watched do they step call by call down KC's phone records. And with the exact times and record type included, it appears to me to be a discovery document.

BUT...here are ALL of the discovery documents I have containing any activity information on KC's cell phone and that particular document in the above link appears no where in them.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/02%20Forensic%20Cell%20Phone%20Report(1).pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/20%20Orange%20County%20Sheriff.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202851-2900%20f.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/TEXTMSGS4571-4630.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/TEXTMSGS4571-4630.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/TXTMSGS2done%204631-4690.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/4691-4745%20-TEXT%20MSGS%20-REDACTED.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/4227-4279cellphone-redacted.pdf

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/lazarro4280-4333.pdf

http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974626/detail.html

So, contrary to me thinking I had laid eyes on every stick of discovery, it appears there is something I have missed. Hopefully some one can help us find the original source to vet this information.

Thank you for your help on this!

momtective
04-25-2009, 11:08 AM
*Respectfully snipped*The problem I have is that this file

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716


This document http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716 was complied using the original cell phone records. It is not in any interview or discovery but was created by many of us who painstakingly went through those logs and tried to pinpoint KC's every single move.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1626040/Casey-Phone-Log-Page-51_75

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1626582/Casey-Phone-Log-76_100

Is that what you're looking for?

Valhall
04-25-2009, 01:54 PM
Thanks again, mom!

Now I understand. Now I can go off for a week and wrap my head around all this. lol

momtective
04-25-2009, 03:02 PM
Thanks again, mom!

Now I understand. Now I can go off for a week and wrap my head around all this. lol

You can do that in a week!:crazy: You're a better woman than I am...:crazy:

BondJamesBond
04-25-2009, 04:36 PM
I'd like to discuss a particular claim made by CA very early on in the investigation (I believe as early as the 07/30/08 FBI interview, but at least as early as the 08/04/08 OCSO interview). CA has maintained all along that she "talked to KC" almost every day. This claim is also supported second-hand by GA in the 07/08/08 Greta interview when he recalls the conversation with KC just prior to the gas can incident. He recalls he asked KC, "Have you been talking to mom?" And he states KC responded, "Oh, yeah, I talk to mom every day." He then goes further and asks, "I know, but did you talk to mom today?" He then says she hesitates and states, "Yeah. Oh, by the way, it's a shame what happened in the shed."

At this point in the Greta interview CA states (at about 1:02 minutes left in the video)..."Yeah, cause I had called her. I had talked to her about it."

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963763&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/caylee/index.html

Okay, up until this point I had given CA the benefit of the doubt (yeah, beat me with a wet noodle) that when she stated to LE that she had "talked to KC almost every day" that she was being broad in that statement and included in those communications text messages. Because she does state in one of the LE interviews (either FBI or OCSO) that in June KC resorted to texting instead of phone calls.

But in this particular Greta interview she explicitly states she called her and talked to her about it. Now, when we combine the conversations CA talks about having with KC as referred to in the LE interviews (those conversations being recalled by CA as being lengthy - i.e. I'm in Tampa in the hospital because Zani had a car wreck and she's got fractures and concussions and Caylee is with Jennifer, and blah blah blah), we have a real issue (and several unanswered questions) due to the discrepancy between the claim CA is making and the phone records.

On June 20 at 2:54 pm there is a 6 minute phone call between KC and CA. This call is initiated by KC and it is to Gentiva. This is the LAST phone call in which KC and CA actually talk until 07/03 according to KC's cell phone records. Now, nothing can be said about whether texting took place during this time, but, according to the released phone records, NO conversation took place via KC's cell phone with CA between 2:54 pm June 20th and 3:21 pm July 3rd. AND, to be specific, there is not even an ATTEMPTED call by CA to KC's phone anywhere before 7:05 p.m. on June 24th (the day of the gas can incident).

As a first pass we might be tempted to say "just another Cindy-lie" and go on about our business. But there's the problem of GA's account of the conversation on June 24th in which KC states she has been made aware of the break-in. Now, of course KC knows about the break-in because she did it. But she has no way of knowing it has been discovered by her father or that his question "yeah, but did you talk to mom today?" was referring to the fact the shed had been discovered to be broken into. She had to have literally spoken with CA that day prior to coming to the house.

But how? How did CA call KC on the day of June 24th? And if there is ANY truth to these lengthy conversations taking place between KC and CA in the time period from June 21st through July 2nd - how were they taking place?

Can perhaps give you hand with this later, but, the short answer is...

Cindy mistruthed :rolleyes: 'bout having told Casey 'bout the gas cans via phone call...didn't happen, IMHO, based on the cell records. I don't wanna do it from memory, but, for speed I will. IIRC, George didn't note the gas cans being stolen until the morning of 6/24, filed the police report ~10AM. No calls 'tween Casey & Cindy 'till Casey was speeding away from Hopespring @ 2:49PM AFTER the gas can scene played out...prolly Casey spewing the story 'bout having to get ZG's insurance papers since she'd been busted by George for showing up @ the house.

The only way Cindy could've given Casey a heads-up is if it had been 6/23 @ 8:30PM on a 3minute call. As far as we know the stolen gas can's hadn't been discovered yet, since George discovered them (per him) when he went out to mow the yard.

Believe it or not we worked all this out on the "...Lexus..." thread 'cause someone thought maybe George was working @ Lexus.

Casey & Cindy's communication transitioned to texting, the volume of which, exploded...reaching a peak ~7/3. Which makes sense...Casey keeping Cindy @ arms length. I summarized this back on one of the general ping threads, but, dunno where that was....so hafta re-do it.

Chiquita71
08-06-2010, 02:07 PM
Hello WS :cool2:

Bump for information.

...js...