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SuziQ
05-27-2009, 11:28 AM
Continue here. Sorry about the gobbledygook on the links below, they just keep multiplying and fixing them makes it worse.

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OrdinaryLife
05-27-2009, 11:29 AM
I think I am brain dull this morning. I have been trying to find when SC went to Mexico last year. When she left the U.S. and how long she was gone.

*Help*

I know, I know...I quoted my own post, but I have Googled myself stupid (yeah, not a stretch :rolleyes:) and all that comes up are posts made in tribute to SC and her helping build homes.

To help make my question more understandable, I wonder about the timeframe and how long CC had family home all to himself. In regards to what he may have placed within home in terms of surviellance. Separate to what he may have done while SC was home for "security". Also, I wonder why (if 'cause we not 100% on this yet) there was no Will. This would not been just about CC and SC, but both sons if anything would have happened to parents. Which would go hand and had with a life insurance policy.

Sorry, but the legal financials are giving me HUGE red flags here. Just direct me somewhere, that's all I'm asking regarding trip to Mexico. Thanks...

Jack
05-27-2009, 11:32 AM
A police surveillance camera could be an important part of the Coleman murder investigation. The camera is mounted near the water town at the Columbia Lakes subdivision. It is in that subdivision where Sheri Coleman died along with her two sons on May 5th. Sheri's husband, the father of the two boys, has been charged with their murders.

~snip~

The company can't talk about any clues in the Coleman murder investigation. Neither can police. But based on this camera's location it could give exact times on when the suspect and father, Chris Coleman, left the neighborhood, when he returned, or whether anyone else suspicious drove in and out. All pieces that could be crucial to solve the murder of Sheri Coleman and her two kids.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-fox-files-surveillance-camera-coleman-052609,0,2657263.story

My apologies if this article has already been discussed...seems this may have been the tool used to narrow down the time he actually left the area and may have led LE to the 'only suspect.'

Hmmm... I wonder if it had range to show someone stuffing some soiled scrubs in a trash can...

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 11:36 AM
the problem with piano wire, is that the actual wire has small coils on it. If you look closely, it looks like many small loops stuck together or one long wire spiraled on itself until it forms a wire, it has grooves on it. I don't know much about bow hunting but know that they do have wires instead of ropes or strings or chords. Now, the piano wire, may leave marks, as those grooves on a victim and and the bow string or wire may not as it may just be for cutting. I would imagine that bow wire not have any grooves as it would cause wind resistance which would make for a noise while shooting your bow and cuase your pull back and release to not be as fast as otherwise would. The piano wire, has to vibrate as it strikes the bells in the back of the piano, when a key is struck. So, they would want to be grooved to allow the most amount of air flow to be trapped, thus resonating and producing the most sound.

Am I right?

that is why I think it was a bow wire. If he went hunting with a bow, why not use what you had on hand.

As for the scrubs, I do remember the LE finding them in the trash.

BasicInstincts
05-27-2009, 11:36 AM
Was CC's attorney at the house yesterday when Sheri's family was able to go into the house? I would think the defense would have someone there while that was going on,unless they relied on the police to escort.

Blackwatch
05-27-2009, 11:36 AM
I took it as he was trying to be funny/sarcastic...like saying he had no dog. ;)

Sarcastic/funny/whatever, one look at that picture scared the 'ell out of me.

DogWood
05-27-2009, 11:37 AM
Here ya go, Wrinkles.

"Police widened their search outside the home for clues, even going through trash cans. In one trash can, they found a pair of surgical pants with stains on them."

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=174475&catid=3

Somewhere in my travels yesterday, I saw a picture of one of the detectives examining the scrubs but I don't remember where it was. :crazy:

Here's the picture...
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/E3D3A51987E00AF8862575AD004CF008?OpenDocument

analytical
05-27-2009, 11:40 AM
Was CC's attorney at the house yesterday when Sheri's family was able to go into the house? I would think the defense would have someone there while that was going on,unless they relied on the police to escort.

don't think he was

Stella5
05-27-2009, 11:48 AM
Was CC's attorney at the house yesterday when Sheri's family was able to go into the house? I would think the defense would have someone there while that was going on,unless they relied on the police to escort.

There was a Detective from the Columbia PD there to escort them.

adnoid
05-27-2009, 11:48 AM
Continue here. Sorry about the gobbledygook on the links below, they just keep multiplying and fixing them makes it worse....

You're working too hard. Just paste the link in the post, let vBulletin do the rest. I fixed things up by doing that.

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 11:49 AM
Also... Howdy RollinOn86

Good to see you bring up that Mirabelli (Sheri's cousin) is in "family law" practice.

On 05/10/09 I wrote in our first thread...
>>Also, he appears to be partner in Nadler, Pritikin & Mirabelli (Family Law.) I wonder if Sheri ever discussed the deed thing with him or anything else, he being a family law attorney.<<

Certainly seems that Sheri, not a pushover, would have contacted a cousin in confidence if she felt that there were divorce issues going on. And...as one of our good sleuthers recently brought up, maybe -- if she did -- that would fall under attorney/client privilege and thus not be mentioned by the cousin. However, how would this fit together with the family not knowing of any problems AND would Sheri have signed off a deed after having gotten her cousin's counsel? I somehow don't think so, particularly since this was brought up in the civil suit and noted in the press conference.

Sounds more like there was something going on with this signing off the deed thing, still a mystery... It certainly would be nice to hear from one of Sheri's friends within whom she may have confided.

As for the money management thing that was going on, the course they taught -- I wonder if Dave Ramsey has a requirement for those who teach this course? Years ago, I bought/studied another Christian financial counseling course, I studied for many hours, videos, books etc. "If" I had taken on the teaching of others in this, with the blessing of the church we went to, I might have been allowed to do it simply because we were a) steady and well known members, and b) as a type of "let's all use the course and learn together." That would not have meant I was "licensed" to teach the course, but simply that a number of us were going to meet at my home, watch the videos, do the work books, learn and discuss. i.e. Maybe a number of us had some learning to do...

As for whether Sheri and CC were looking at divorce, well doesn't this sometimes happen in marriages on and off and then get resolved? If Sheri and CC were looking at this, maybe nothing was spoken to anyone else because they were not positive and were maybe hoping to work things out, or maybe Sheri was. On the other hand, maybe CC was setting up that "ambush" that Adnoid mentioned (ref: the situation with CC's brother). Would Sheri have been planning to go on a mission kind of trip knowing she was having to reroute her entire life due to a divorce? Could she have thought that she and the kids could make it just on "support" and "alimony" from CC?

AND...about "divorce" thoughts and keeping it quiet... Why not keep it quiet if both Sheri and CC knew that CC would be "out of a job" if there was a divorce? Could they have been planning things, getting them in sync before letting anyone know and CC getting laid off? Was that house packed?

Just how much time would it have taken CC's family have to pull all pictures off the wall, grab all of the children's clothing (to give them away, if that is true), pack the children's toys into drawers and then pack a trailer with CC's belongings and drive off. Two hours? How many times have they been at the house, how long did they spend?

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 11:53 AM
Hello Artie and All,

The thread was locked, and a new one started just after I had written a nice cogitating message on the wire.

Artie, did you get to see that message?

rollinon86
05-27-2009, 11:53 AM
Hmmm... I wonder if it had range to show someone stuffing some soiled scrubs in a trash can...

I doubt it, Jack. The camera is up by the entrance into the subdivision and the house is quite a little ways away from it back farther in the subdivision. I would almost bet it couldn't have "seen" anything back there. :frown:

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 11:56 AM
Hello Artie and All,

The thread was locked, and a new one started just after I had written a nice cogitating message on the wire.

Artie, did you get to see that message? (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3797085&postcount=1157)

My thoughts exactly, but again, if we were thinking that, I am sure LE already did too.

rollinon86
05-27-2009, 11:58 AM
Was CC's attorney at the house yesterday when Sheri's family was able to go into the house? I would think the defense would have someone there while that was going on,unless they relied on the police to escort.

They had the police with them so they wouldn't be accused of doing anything wrong or taking anything they weren't supposed to. I don't think the lawyer was on any of the news videos that I saw.

ohiogirl
05-27-2009, 12:03 PM
I think LE should take that tribute video and project it on the walls of CC cell 24 hours a day.
JMO of course.

rollinon86
05-27-2009, 12:04 PM
Sarcastic/funny/whatever, one look at that picture scared the 'ell out of me.

:floorlaugh:

rollinon86
05-27-2009, 12:12 PM
I think LE should take that tribute video and project it on the walls of CC cell 24 hours a day.
JMO of course.

I'll second that!!!

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 12:16 PM
And what about the last dinner?

Did Sheri eat that dinner? Was she there? Did Chris cook that night as rumored? Why? Does one of Sheri's girlfriends knonw?

We also heard a rumor that Chris was at the gym with his son that night (what time.) Were he and both of the boys there (one in childcare)? Was CC expecting to go home and have Sheri cooking -- but maybe Sheri was upset with him and left the house to go get her head together thinking, "You can feed the children tonight, I need some time to think."

And how about that writing on the wall that is mentioned as: (http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/783119.html)

>>"I saw you leave, (expletive) you, I am always watching"<<

WOAHH...was this double entendre? i.e. was CC watching Sheri and new she took off for a while? At the same time, was this writing on the wall meant to insinuate that the Ninja was always watching?

"If" -- and I don't know if we are clear yet, the writing on the wall said "whore paid" -- that isn't about a threat to CC and his family due to any job at JMM, that is a murderer stating his rage at a particular person. If, on the other hand, there was "u have paid" -- well that is another thing (insinuating towards the threats.)

But another thing, was there "u have paid" -- Now the exact text will be interesting. Not long ago a college lit teacher (one teaching those who barely made it into college) mentioned that many of the papers she was receiving were written by people who obviously knew how to text messages, i.e someone saying "u have paid" instead of "you have paid." Would be interesting to see what CCs pattern of writing in Emails was and if he used "u" instead of "you."

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 12:19 PM
I doubt it, Jack. The camera is up by the entrance into the subdivision and the house is quite a little ways away from it back farther in the subdivision. I would almost bet it couldn't have "seen" anything back there. :frown:I wouldn't be so sure. Since the cameras are operated to help in criminal matters, it is possible not only does it rotate 360 degrees, but it could very well have a zoom feature. There was mention it was possibly trained on his house to watch for the threat person.

ETA: Artie made it clear this isn't possible. Thanks, Artie!

milopedes
05-27-2009, 12:22 PM
And what about the last dinner?

I haven't bothered to read all the previous posts - simply too many that I didn't want to bother. However, please elaborate on what you mean regarding the last dinner?

Has actual news come out regarding drugging / last dinner, or is this merely a theory being discussed?

Thanks.

milopedes
05-27-2009, 12:24 PM
I think LE should take that tribute video and project it on the walls of CC cell 24 hours a day.
JMO of course.

I get your point - you want CC to suffer! I do too, if he is convicted of committing this crime. However, if he was able to commit the crime against his family I doubt seeing a tribute video 24/7 would phase him much.

You'll need to think of something far worse! :)

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 12:25 PM
I haven't bothered to read all the previous posts - simply too many that I didn't want to bother. However, please elaborate on what you mean regarding the last dinner?

Has actual news come out regarding drugging / last dinner, or is this merely a theory being discussed?

Thanks.It is rumored that Chris prepared dinner the night before the murders which was something he did not normally do for the family. It has not been confirmed. Possible drugging has been discussed as a theory for why he would step of his normal behavior to cook.

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 12:27 PM
I get your point - you want CC to suffer! I do too, if he is convicted of committing this crime. However, if he was able to commit the crime against his family I doubt seeing a tribute video 24/7 would phase him much.

You'll need to think of something far worse! :)A 24/7 video of JM's highlights perhaps?! ;)

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 12:27 PM
Howdy Dogwood,

Thanks to the link to that scrubs photo/article. I had seen it the day it came out, but I had lost the link. When I read "stains on them" -- I didn't necessarily think blood, but maybe paint. I can't see anything in that photo, per stains. I wonder if any of our expert graphic WSrs can enhance that photo and see what/where.

Today I used this very scientific method, when looking at the scrubs photo ;) i.e a ruler! :) I thought, what size person would those scrubs fit? The length of the legs looks a little short, but maybe not, seems that the leg length would work on both of the men in that photo (although a skosh short on the one) -- how tall was CC? The waist width looked like it could work on a man -- but it didn't seem really wide, a spindle axxed fellow could wear them I guess.

So what stains were on those -- AND I really wonder if there were any rags with paint thinner smell found in any of those cans (of course, was that spray paint oil or water based.)

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 12:31 PM
about that camera.... it is not that good. It is not a 'ninja' camera. The camera is attached to the pole where the tornado siren is, on top of a big hill where a giant water tank is, by the apartments. Yes, it is high, but blocking it's view from where it is, is still a giant set of apartments, some trees and at least 2 dozen houses. I don't see a way that the camera could have zoomed in on anything that far away, like the house in question. I was told and I can see and reasonable understand that all it may be able to do is keep watch on the cars the drive in and out of that entrance. Keep in mind though, that there is no camera that watches the new second entrance to the subdivsion. The new entrance has been done for about 3 months now so anyone could have gone through there.

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 12:46 PM
You're working too hard. Just paste the link in the post, let vBulletin do the rest. I fixed things up by doing that.

I don't understand. All I'm doing is copying and pasting once, and it posts multiple links like this morning. And if I copy and paste those links to the next thread they multiply and so on. If I try to edit them, then the post format goes wacky. So I finally just left them alone to do what they do. For example, I just highlighted then copy and pasted below the links you fixed just as you left them and below is what happens.

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Police: 3 Found Dead in Illinois Home - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Police: 3 Found Dead in Illinois Home - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


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Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


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Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


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Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


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Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


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Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6 - Page 47 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6 - Page 47 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Lola
05-27-2009, 12:51 PM
This case clearly needs it's own forum heading. What say you admins??

Kimster
05-27-2009, 12:55 PM
Wrinkles,

First off, thank you for your posts! I enjoy your gift of looking over every detail. My contribution is usually more psych-related and it intrigues me to watch those who are forenthics-gifted!

Can we go back in time to when the bales were being discussed? I remember discussing them and thinking you guys were beating a dead horse. Now I'm rethinking that, of course! There were bales of hay in the backyard for shooting arrows? Were all the bales still bound after the murders took place? Was LE looking over the bales? I'm not sure why they were brought up in the first place.

Thanks!

Kimster
05-27-2009, 12:57 PM
This case clearly needs it's own forum heading. What say you admins??

Lola,

Usually cases with their own forum involve an unsolved case with lots and lots of players. This case is "basically solved" and will have ups and downs, but will dwindle down pretty quickly, IMO.

:blowkiss:

ohiogirl
05-27-2009, 01:07 PM
I get your point - you want CC to suffer! I do too, if he is convicted of committing this crime. However, if he was able to commit the crime against his family I doubt seeing a tribute video 24/7 would phase him much.

You'll need to think of something far worse! :)

Put me on the jury, I can think of something.

escamoles
05-27-2009, 01:11 PM
Can we go back in time to when the bales were being discussed? I remember discussing them and thinking you guys were beating a dead horse. Now I'm rethinking that, of course! There were bales of hay in the backyard for shooting arrows? Were all the bales still bound after the murders took place? Was LE looking over the bales? I'm not sure why they were brought up in the first place.I'm not sure if you meant this questions exclusively for Wrinkles, but I'll chime in anyway.

The bales of straw were against the back of the Coleman home, near the sliding glass basement door. They appeared in photos on the PD website for about a week after the murders, and then the pics disappeared. In two photos, LE was examining the open window and the torn screen door.

The bales were removed at some point during the first week.

The straw bales set off alarm bells for me because there were immediate rumors that SC and the children were strangled with wire. As it happened, I had just given myself a cut requiring stitches a few days before when I carelessly cut the wire on a straw bale in my back yard. That wire is nasty stuff and very flexible.

I seriously doubt that the Coleman children were shooting arrows into bales against the back of the house, and the bales didn't have a target painted on them.

chestergal
05-27-2009, 01:12 PM
I doubt it, Jack. The camera is up by the entrance into the subdivision and the house is quite a little ways away from it back farther in the subdivision. I would almost bet it couldn't have "seen" anything back there. :frown:


Fox just showed the camera and the security company just did a demo with it and it picks up quite a bit. It is very high tech with great zoom ability.

escamoles
05-27-2009, 01:14 PM
Fox just showed the camera and the security company just did a demo with it and it picks up quite a bit. It is very high tech with great zoom ability.That is really interesting! I figured it was a typical lousy low-res security camera.

chestergal
05-27-2009, 01:17 PM
about that camera.... it is not that good. It is not a 'ninja' camera. The camera is attached to the pole where the tornado siren is, on top of a big hill where a giant water tank is, by the apartments. Yes, it is high, but blocking it's view from where it is, is still a giant set of apartments, some trees and at least 2 dozen houses. I don't see a way that the camera could have zoomed in on anything that far away, like the house in question. I was told and I can see and reasonable understand that all it may be able to do is keep watch on the cars the drive in and out of that entrance. Keep in mind though, that there is no camera that watches the new second entrance to the subdivsion. The new entrance has been done for about 3 months now so anyone could have gone through there.


You need to watch FOX news today and see if they do the report again. The security company did a demo with the camera. It's pretty high tech.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 01:19 PM
I'm not sure if you meant this questions exclusively for Wrinkles, but I'll chime in anyway.

The bales of straw were against the back of the Coleman home, near the sliding glass basement door. They appeared in photos on the PD website for about a week after the murders, and then the pics disappeared. In two photos, LE was examining the open window and the torn screen door.

The bales were removed at some point during the first week.

The straw bales set off alarm bells for me because there were immediate rumors that SC and the children were strangled with wire. As it happened, I had just given myself a cut requiring stitches a few days before when I carelessly cut the wire on a straw bale in my back yard. That wire is nasty stuff and very flexible.

I seriously doubt that the Coleman children were shooting arrows into bales against the back of the house, and the bales didn't have a target painted on them.

Yes, I agree that they are flexible. My mom had horses when I was a kid!

But there was a report that CC used piano wire. That seems strange to me as we haven't heard anything about them being in the music ministry for the church or having a piano. Plus, I'm sure it's not all that easy getting piano wire out of a piano. And if he looked ahead and bought it from a music store, I'm sure that would stand out like a sore thumb during the investigation.

The bale wire makes more sense. All the bales appeared to be bound in those early pics, right?

chestergal
05-27-2009, 01:20 PM
That is really interesting! I figured it was a typical lousy low-res security camera.

Did you see it on Fox?
It's very much like the ones they use on the front of the helicopters.
The one at the water tower in Columbia catches everything in a 360 degree perimeter.

Jack
05-27-2009, 01:22 PM
The bales of straw were against the back of the Coleman home, near the sliding glass basement door. They appeared in photos on the PD website for about a week after the murders, and then the pics disappeared. In two photos, LE was examining the open window and the torn screen door.

The bales were removed at some point during the first week.

The straw bales set off alarm bells for me because there were immediate rumors that SC and the children were strangled with wire. As it happened, I had just given myself a cut requiring stitches a few days before when I carelessly cut the wire on a straw bale in my back yard. That wire is nasty stuff and very flexible.



I was just thinking about the possibility of the murders being committed with baling wire too. It would look really set-up if the murder weapon just happened to come from a bale of straw that just happened to be against the house right near where the murderer was supposed to enter the home. Almost like someone was trying to walk the detectives through a storyline... Nope, if a muirderer had come to the house to do his deed he would have come prepared with his own weapon.

rollinon86
05-27-2009, 01:24 PM
You need to watch FOX news today and see if they do the report again. The security company did a demo with the camera. It's pretty high tech.

I saw a report on that last night too...it zooms in pretty good with pretty decent resolution. The only thing I wonder about is the obstructions between it and the house...and even though it zooms in pretty good, I'm not sure it would zoom that far. Although it could have certainly picked up CC's vehicle and anything inside on the seats maybe and whether or not he was alone, what he was wearing and any details about or within the vehicle very easily I would think and be able to zoom in on all of it. And of course, document the times he was in and out of the subdivision. :)

rollinon86
05-27-2009, 01:30 PM
I was just thinking about the possibility of the murders being committed with baling wire too. It would look really set-up if the murder weapon just happened to come from a bale of straw that just happened to be against the house right near where the murderer was supposed to enter the home. Almost like someone was trying to walk the detectives through a storyline... Nope, if a muirderer had come to the house to do his deed he would have come prepared with his own weapon.

Somewhere on one of the news videos I saw the police unloading two bales of hay from the back of an SUV at the police station. They were wrapped up in some kind of white plasticy/netty type covering when they unloaded them. Wish I could remember which local news channel it was....it totally escapes me now...but I definitely saw it! :waitasec:

escamoles
05-27-2009, 01:37 PM
But there was a report that CC used piano wire. That seems strange to me as we haven't heard anything about them being in the music ministry for the church or having a piano. Plus, I'm sure it's not all that easy getting piano wire out of a piano. And if he looked ahead and bought it from a music store, I'm sure that would stand out like a sore thumb during the investigation.It's not at all easy to get piano wire out of a piano. If you were to snip a piano wire, the wire would fly around and you would definitely get hurt. To replace a piano wire, you have to use a special hex-type wrench to loosen the wire. That tool is not something that anyone but a piano tuner would likely have around the house. And, like you, I haven't heard of the Colemans being involved in music in any capacity.

The bale wire makes more sense. All the bales appeared to be bound in those early pics, right?Yes, they were all bound and tidily stacked against the back of the house. However, there are usually at least two, and often three, wires wrapped around the width of the bale. The bales are so compacted that the wires are under tremendous pressure. To avoid having one snap and put someone's eye out, they have to distribute the load over more than one wire.

If you were to remove one wire from a bale, it wouldn't fall apart immediately.

escamoles
05-27-2009, 01:39 PM
Did you see it on Fox?
It's very much like the ones they use on the front of the helicopters.
The one at the water tower in Columbia catches everything in a 360 degree perimeter.I missed it, but maybe they'll put it up on the website later.

escamoles
05-27-2009, 01:43 PM
I was just thinking about the possibility of the murders being committed with baling wire too. It would look really set-up if the murder weapon just happened to come from a bale of straw that just happened to be against the house right near where the murderer was supposed to enter the home. Almost like someone was trying to walk the detectives through a storyline... Nope, if a muirderer had come to the house to do his deed he would have come prepared with his own weapon.Right -- as if a murderer under time pressure (always watching, knows CC's schedule, then sees his opportunity) would enter the house and spend time looking for a likely weapon. :rolleyes:

Kimster
05-27-2009, 01:46 PM
It's not at all easy to get piano wire out of a piano. If you were to snip a piano wire, the wire would fly around and you would definitely get hurt. To replace a piano wire, you have to use a special hex-type wrench to loosen the wire. That tool is not something that anyone but a piano tuner would likely have around the house. And, like you, I haven't heard of the Colemans being involved in music in any capacity.

Yes, they were all bound and tidily stacked against the back of the house. However, there are usually at least two, and often three, wires wrapped around the width of the bale. The bales are so compacted that the wires are under tremendous pressure. To avoid having one snap and put someone's eye out, they have to distribute the load over more than one wire.

If you were to remove one wire from a bale, it wouldn't fall apart immediately.

ITA about snipping one baling wire. I remember it makes the bale more "fluffy" though, but not enough that anyone looking at a pic would be able to notice, IMO.

Thanks for chatting with me about this! :blowkiss:

escamoles
05-27-2009, 01:57 PM
ITA about snipping one baling wire. I remember it makes the bale more "fluffy" though, but not enough that anyone looking at a pic would be able to notice, IMO.It does make it more fluffy and much more likely to break apart when moved. Get down to one wire and the whole thing falls apart.

Thanks for chatting with me about this! :blowkiss:Thank you for listening to my crackpot theories! :blowkiss:

Tricia
05-27-2009, 02:06 PM
This case clearly needs it's own forum heading. What say you admins??

Hi All,

About this topic getting its own forum . . . let's wait just a bit more.

It is quite an undertaking to open a new forum. Many times what happens is the case goes cold then we have a forum just sitting here with nothing going on.

Cases are hot in the first little bit. If this case continues to attract our members and the threads are continually active after another couple of weeks or so then we will most likely make a forum.

FOXTERRIER
05-27-2009, 02:35 PM
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=176359&catid=3
Parties listed in Coleman civil lawsuit notified

KSDK -- The lawyer representing Sheri Coleman's family says all three parties listed in the civil lawsuit have been notified.
Joyce Meyers Ministries is one of the parties named in the suit. The former employer of Chris Coleman is listed for information purposes and not as a defendant.
Chris Coleman has been charged with murdering his wife and their two children.
The lawyer says Joyce Meyers Ministries is agreeing to fully cooperate.
He also says they have spoken to a woman in Florida that has been connected to the case and he says they want to speak with her again.
Sheri, Garett and Gavin Coleman were found murdered in the family's Columbia, Illinois home on May 5.
Sheri Coleman's family filed the suit on Tuesday to keep Chris Coleman from profiting from their deaths.

looneymama
05-27-2009, 03:35 PM
I know this isn't super important but people were wondering about the website saying the house is 950 square feet. When we bought our house a few months ago, the appraisal said that it was 1,250 square feet but it's really 2,500. We were told that sometimes they just go by the square footage above ground. This is a split entry with a totally finished walk out basement, but they still didn't count the square footage in the appraisal. I wonder if their house is actually 1,900 square feet and the website was only counting the above ground level.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 03:40 PM
I know this isn't super important but people were wondering about the website saying the house is 950 square feet. When we bought our house a few months ago, the appraisal said that it was 1,250 square feet but it's really 2,500. We were told that sometimes they just go by the square footage above ground. This is a split entry with a totally finished walk out basement, but they still didn't count the square footage in the appraisal. I wonder if their house is actually 1,900 square feet and the website was only counting the above ground level.

Good point! The thing I don't understand is why the assessor has added the additional footage to the surrounding homes. Are they all one level? It could just be a boo boo on their part.

My cottage house is assessed at 950 SF. It does not take into consideration the finished attic upstairs that is one nice big room. Far be it from me to correct them and pay more taxes, tho! :crazy:

FOXTERRIER
05-27-2009, 03:41 PM
Posted in the boards on stltoday.com (post dispatch) I will keep an eye out for this supposed letter . . . .

Bill Brasski (http://my.stltoday.com/BillBrasski) May 27, 2009 1:10PM CST
I heard today that JMM is pulling her financial support and will no longer be paying for the high-priced attorneys. I was told that the Coleman family is sending emails to church members asking them to contribute to his defense fund. I was told this by someone who received one of these emails.
Bill Brasski (http://my.stltoday.com/BillBrasski) May 27, 2009 2:19PM CST I was told it the email came from his brother. I will try to get confirmation and a copy of it.

Report Abuse (http://my.stltoday.com/community/app/templates/tptemail.aspx?tpt=reportcomment&title=Civil suit draws Joyce Meyer Ministries deeper into Coleman murder case&date=May 27, 2009&author=Bill Brasski&link=http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/CFC29B1B960B209F862575C3000B29DA?OpenDocument&miid={67DD35EC-227A-49DC-BD9E-C79423400283})

OrdinaryLife
05-27-2009, 03:44 PM
I know this isn't super important but people were wondering about the website saying the house is 950 square feet. When we bought our house a few months ago, the appraisal said that it was 1,250 square feet but it's really 2,500. We were told that sometimes they just go by the square footage above ground. This is a split entry with a totally finished walk out basement, but they still didn't count the square footage in the appraisal. I wonder if their house is actually 1,900 square feet and the website was only counting the above ground level.

FWIW, do not go by Zillow or any other site that lists homes as a fact. Believe me, they are not always accurate. I have *no* idea where they come up with square footage of homes. The only true way to know what the square footage is of any home is recent evaluations/measurements physically done by real estate agents, etc. Do not believe what even assessors state at Town Hall. I paid for more square footage that never existed because of false documentations. Of course, it was my fault. :rolleyes:

FOXTERRIER
05-27-2009, 03:44 PM
WOW, YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!
http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/crimetracker/2009/05/columbia-courts-documents-reve.html
Columbia: Courts documents reveal evidence in triple murder
WATERLOO, Ill. (AP) -- Newly unsealed court documents in the case against a man accused of strangling his wife and two sons reveal evidence authorities found near a bridge a few miles from the slayings.
Authorities have said Sheri Coleman and her sons, ages 11 and 9, were killed May 5 in their Columbia home with some type of ligature, including perhaps a cord.
Sheri Coleman's husband, Christopher Coleman, is jailed without bond on first-degree murder charges. He has pleaded not guilty.
Court documents suggest that investigators found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied on one end at the Jefferson Barracks Bridge over the Mississippi River. That twine apparently resembles cord used to tie four bales of hay found behind the Colemans' home.

FOXTERRIER
05-27-2009, 03:48 PM
More at the BND.com
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Parts from the story:
According to a report by Columbia Police Sgt. Jason Donjon, the anonymous letter read, "(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."
The letter, dated Jan. 1, referred to someone traveling to Asia, but doesn't refer to anyone by name. Sheri Coleman participated in missionary trips to southeast Asia, including Cambodia.
"Have a good time in India (expletive)!" the letter concluded.
The contents of a second letter to show up at the residence, dated April 27, also are listed in the search warrants records.
That letter stated, "I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."
The letter referred to an unnamed woman.
"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"
Also included in the search warrant information was a report from the Columbia Police Department describing a horrific scene in the house when officers arrived and found the bodies of Sheri and the two boys.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 03:49 PM
WOW, YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!
http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/crimetracker/2009/05/columbia-courts-documents-reve.html
Columbia: Courts documents reveal evidence in triple murder
WATERLOO, Ill. (AP) -- Newly unsealed court documents in the case against a man accused of strangling his wife and two sons reveal evidence authorities found near a bridge a few miles from the slayings.
Authorities have said Sheri Coleman and her sons, ages 11 and 9, were killed May 5 in their Columbia home with some type of ligature, including perhaps a cord.
Sheri Coleman's husband, Christopher Coleman, is jailed without bond on first-degree murder charges. He has pleaded not guilty.
Court documents suggest that investigators found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied on one end at the Jefferson Barracks Bridge over the Mississippi River. That twine apparently resembles cord used to tie four bales of hay found behind the Colemans' home.

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Okay - to all of you that were sleuthing those bales of hay, I salute you!!!

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escamoles
05-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Okay - to all of you that were sleuthing those bales of hay, I salute you!!!Well, except this is twine and I was wrongly stuck on it being wire. :blushing:

But still -- very interesting that they unsealed this document. What good could it possibly do?

adnoid
05-27-2009, 04:02 PM
I don't understand. All I'm doing is copying and pasting once, and it posts multiple links like this morning. And if I copy and paste those links to the next thread they multiply and so on. If I try to edit them, then the post format goes wacky. So I finally just left them alone to do what they do. For example, I just highlighted then copy and pasted below the links you fixed just as you left them and below is what happens...

Try this:

making a URL into text? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:04 PM
Well, except this is twine and I was wrongly stuck on it being wire. :blushing:

But still -- very interesting that they unsealed this document. What good could it possibly do?

Agreed. Possibly they have a discovery law in Illinois similar to the Sunshine Law in Florida?

What a horrific scene. I'm aghast once again! This report appears to make it seem as though CC was planning this as early as JANUARY? How can a person continue day after day with these thoughts and no one knew he was churning with evil inside? I'm completely shocked beyond belief!

escamoles
05-27-2009, 04:05 PM
The details in the Belleville News Democrat story (http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html) are incredible. CC seems to have left a trail of evidence a mile wide. How could he possibly think no one would catch on?

escamoles
05-27-2009, 04:06 PM
What a horrific scene. I'm aghast once again! This report appears to make it seem as though CC was planning this as early as JANUARY? How can a person continue day after day with these thoughts and no one knew he was churning with evil inside? I'm completely shocked beyond belief!It's beyond me. What I'm reading defies belief. How many times did he kiss his children good night while all this was on his mind?

gitana1
05-27-2009, 04:08 PM
More at the BND.com
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



(Snipped for space)

Wow. This IS horrible stuff.
How stupid can he be to leave his receipt for spray paint in his bag?
This is terrible stuff. He's flat diabolical.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:09 PM
It's beyond me. What I'm reading defies belief. How many times did he kiss his children good night while all this was on his mind?


I know it!!! And he cooked them a "last supper"???

This POS makes KC Anthony look like the mother of the year!:eek:

adnoid
05-27-2009, 04:11 PM
More at the BND.com
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Parts from the story:..

...police also took into evidence a greeting card addressed to Christopher Coleman's post office box in Columbia from St. Petersburg, Fla...Police have said they conducted interviews with several people from the Tampa area...Christopher Coleman was engaged in a romantic relationship with a woman from St. Petersburg...Police also seized an e-mail from the U.S. postmaster in Columbia regarding an account payment due on a post office box dated July 2, and a credit card receipt for $36 from the Columbia post office from the same glove box.

Looks like the comparisons to the MO of Scott Peterson were spot on.

FOXTERRIER
05-27-2009, 04:18 PM
I know it!!! And he cooked them a "last supper"???

This POS makes KC Anthony look like the mother of the year!:eek:

NO DOUBT!!!!!!!:mad:

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Here's a guy who is in security for a corporation and he's getting threats like this and he doesn't make sure he doesn't have TOP NOTCH security in place at his OWN HOME? There were NO SIGNS of forced entry! Does this POS really expect a jury to believe he's INNOCENT?

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:20 PM
Take the plea, Coleman! CONFESS what you've done and get it over with! Miss Motive doesn't want you anymore! THE GIG IS UP!

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 04:23 PM
Thanks, Kimster~ What did I miss?!

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:25 PM
Thanks, Kimster~ What did I miss?!

Scroll up, girlfriend! Make sure you are sitting down first!!!

escamoles
05-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Here's a guy who is in security for a corporation and he's getting threats like this and he doesn't make sure he doesn't have TOP NOTCH security in place at his OWN HOME? There were NO SIGNS of forced entry! Does this POS really expect a jury to believe he's INNOCENT?I thought it was very clever of Mirabelli and the legal team to file suit the way they did yesterday. Even if CC is found not guilty for some bizarre reason (and you know it can happen), they can still point out that he was negligent in his family's deaths because he didn't provide adequate security at his home in the face of death threats.

It sounds like they've got so much evidence. I can't begin to imagine how CC's legal team is going to try to wiggle out of this. Alien imposter pod people have begun to sound more plausible than CC being innocent.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:35 PM
Although I'm glad this POS is an idiot, I have to wonder if he's got the IQ of a dingbat. Months of planning and all these loose ends? I honestly thought he'd maybe been dreaming about them being wiped out, but that the threats were maybe real. I thought he had a rage and killed them without a lot of forethought. After all of this, I can see that isn't the case. But how could he be THIS stoopid?

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 04:41 PM
Awwww...he just had to humiliate her one last time, didn't he?! :(

Wow. The details are horrible. It shows what a calculating, coldhearted b*stard he really is.

Wrinkles was right on the money about the murder weapon it sounds like...Cord used on the bales of hay. A noose tho?! Why?

Does it sound like they told him what was going on before he started crying? If so, they didn't mention it in the article.:

As officers searched the home, they heard Christopher Coleman yelilng from inside the house, "What's going on? What's going on?" the affidavit stated.

The officer walked Coleman to the driveway where he sat down and began crying, the report said.

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:44 PM
True, it doesn't say that any of the officers told him what happened first, does it?

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 04:45 PM
According to a report by Columbia Police Sgt. Jason Donjon, the anonymous letter read, "(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."

The letter, dated Jan. 1, referred to someone traveling to Asia, but doesn't refer to anyone by name. Sheri Coleman participated in missionary trips to southeast Asia, including Cambodia.

"Have a good time in India (expletive)!" the letter concluded.

The contents of a second letter to show up at the residence, dated April 27, also are listed in the search warrants records.

That letter stated, "I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."

The letter referred to an unnamed woman.

"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html
(Bolded by me)

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:46 PM
There isn't a video of his flailing, is there? I've never seen the dramatics he put on.

Kristins1223
05-27-2009, 04:46 PM
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

This article says they found a receipt from HD dated July 29 for spray paint in a travel bag with his wallet in it. Unless the date is wrong, thats a long time to keep a receipt especially in your travel bag. I wonder if he used the spray paint on anything else in the house or is this how long he has been planning it? I wonder what else is on the receipt.

adnoid
05-27-2009, 04:47 PM
...Does it sound like they told him what was going on before he started crying?...

The guilty flee when none pursue.

I've found a place to do the catering for the local trial watchers:

There may be an additional delivery charge. (http://www.thecookedgoose.com/)

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:47 PM
The letter referred to an unnamed woman...

Was Sheri going on this trips for JMM? I thought it was sponsored by Destiny Church?

Kristins1223
05-27-2009, 04:48 PM
I don't know if this has been posted

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/27/14/ColumbiaSearch.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 04:49 PM
um wow, just read the bnd stuff..... i am a bit shocked. did he think he was going to get away?

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:50 PM
I don't know if this has been posted

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/27/14/ColumbiaSearch.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

Ah - the actual report! TY, Kristins!

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 04:51 PM
The guilty flee when none pursue.

I've found a place to do the catering for the local trial watchers:

There may be an additional delivery charge. (http://www.thecookedgoose.com/)LOL Perfect! I didn't see crow on the menu anywhere. I guess we have to special order it. ;)

chestergal
05-27-2009, 04:51 PM
This is just too good for Chris Coleman...
http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/img-features/lethal-injection.jpg

gitana1
05-27-2009, 04:52 PM
Although I'm glad this POS is an idiot, I have to wonder if he's got the IQ of a dingbat. Months of planning and all these loose ends? I honestly thought he'd maybe been dreaming about them being wiped out, but that the threats were maybe real. I thought he had a rage and killed them without a lot of forethought. After all of this, I can see that isn't the case. But how could he be THIS stoopid?

I know it, but we see this kind of thing in other cases - maybe not as bad, but similar. These sociopaths think they are so smart and that the rest of us are so stupid, that they are incapable of viewing things the way a normal person would. They don't think things through because why should they have to? LE is so dumb they'll never catch them. That's the kicker about these nuts. Their arrogance makes them idiotic. It's what makes it easier to catch them.
I have often wondered how they don't look at all the cases of their fellow sociopathic murderers who got caught and think, "Gee, maybe I can't get away with it after all." But, they don't. They don't recognize themselves. They just think that the others are not as smart as them.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 04:56 PM
This is just too good for Chris Coleman...
http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/img-features/lethal-injection.jpg

In Virginia City, Nevada they used to have public hangings. The women made picnic baskets to feed the family and then everyone watched the POS hang from a rope. I suggest to the citizens of Columbia that we do the same. I'll help with the picnic baskets!!!

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 05:03 PM
well, I guess we should do it by the Market Place square, since that place has the most parking. The Market Place could sell cookies shaped like a noose and then Aveda could offer free head and neck massages.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 05:03 PM
I'm wondering about those boarding passes...how many were there? Sheri mentioned that they were going to Disney and then said they were not. Do you think she found out about the passes, thinking they were for them? Then she found out they were not? So then CC moves forward with his plan because Sheri is upset with him and writes the next thread letter?

Kimster
05-27-2009, 05:07 PM
well, I guess we should do it by the Market Place square, since that place has the most parking. The Market Place could sell cookies shaped like a noose and then Aveda could offer free head and neck massages.

You should work in the cancer center! They look for people who are witty in the face of despair! I had a hard time keeping my sis in stitches when she was battling cancer. Wish you would have been there to help! :blowkiss:

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 05:11 PM
You should work in the cancer center! They look for people who are witty in the face of despair! I had a hard time keeping my sis in stitches when she was battling cancer. Wish you would have been there to help! :blowkiss:

thanks, but they wouldn't want me. I have a degree in holistic nutrition with herbalism and I personally think that most doctors are quacks. They would have thrown me out of the cancer ward before I could cook some nice meals. (I'm also trained in the classical French culinary arts)

but thanks for the offer....

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 05:13 PM
Try this:

making a URL into text? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3798421#post3798421)

Already knew how to copy and paste a url address from an address bar. Why can't I just copy and paste multiple links already in one post (like the one at the beginning of this thread) in one swell swoop without them duplicating? Triplicating and quadrupling? It's never been a problem in the past. So now the only option is to individually open threads one through six and copying and pasting from the address bar into the new post?

chestergal
05-27-2009, 05:14 PM
It makes me sick to think that Brad Coleman (the brother of CC) who is a Part Time Chester Cop and a Full Time Menard Corrections Officer still thinks his brother is innocent and that he is emailing people begging for money.

Dear Joe - ask this POS to resign from the Chester Police Dept!

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 05:21 PM
The letters sound like he was trying to scare Sheri into not going on her trips.

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 05:33 PM
Hello Kimster,

First thanks for the complement and isn't it cool how all of our heads are working together on this? Two heads are better than one :) (often, not always - not when I am being headstrong :) -- More heads is even better! :)

About the following...

Wrinkles,

First off, thank you for your posts! I enjoy your gift of looking over every detail. My contribution is usually more psych-related and it intrigues me to watch those who are forenthics-gifted!

Can we go back in time to when the bales were being discussed? I remember discussing them and thinking you guys were beating a dead horse. Now I'm rethinking that, of course! There were bales of hay in the backyard for shooting arrows? Were all the bales still bound after the murders took place? Was LE looking over the bales? I'm not sure why they were brought up in the first place.

Thanks!

Here is what happened... Press conf, I took notes and posted them

At the end of my posting of the notes, I wrote:
>>BALE TYPE THINGS? BALE TYPE THINGS BROUGHT INTO THE BUILDING? LIKE TARGETS FOR BOWS AND ARROWS? Like maybe with a similar spray paint on them or ?<<

But then someone brought up bailing wire (wish I knew who first did that so I could give them credit.)

The bottomline was that the bales being brought in for evidence (if that is what they really were, bales of hay) may have had something to do with something. But what?

Was it for bailing wire taken off of them an used in the crime? Was it for a paint match on that and then in the house and scrubs? Was it that the bales were used to fake a type of stair step entry into the house (something I haven't mentioned before and it is probably too stupid to mention)

At anyrate, may be a red herring -- but I'm not quite ready for that. And as I have mentioned earlier, I wondered about the bow string.

analytical
05-27-2009, 05:39 PM
JMM does travel to India .. she did so in Jan. 2008. I don't know if there are upcoming trips but she does travel the globe.

http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/mumbaicrusade.htm

In Cambodia for one month: http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/hopecambodia.htm
July 14 to August 12, 2007

Medical outreaches:
2009 Upcoming Medical Outreaches

Papua New Guinea
July 17 - 27, 2009
Cost: $1200 + airfare
No longer accepting applications. Trip is full.

Cambodia
September 25 - October 3, 2009

Malawi, Africa
November 14 - 22, 2009
http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/medicaloutreaches.htm

Africa 2008: Ethiopia, Rwanda and Uganda: http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/africa08.htm

International conferences 2007-2009: http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Outreaches/conferences.htm

escamoles
05-27-2009, 05:43 PM
The STL paper has published as story about the new evidence:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

Details I hadn't seen before: police took a box of latex gloves from the Coleman house. They also found the transaction history for a line of credit to Colemanís house in CC's SUV.

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 05:45 PM
What is this? And who did they take this from?

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Police also took into evidence the original mini digital video cassette containing sample footage taken from the Coleman home on May 5, the day of the murders, plus airplane tickets for Coleman and his boss, Joyce Meyer.

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 05:45 PM
JMM does travel to India .. she did so in Jan. 2008. I don't know if there are upcoming trips but she does travel the globe.

http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/mumbaicrusade.htm

In Cambodia for one month: http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/hopecambodia.htm
July 14 to August 12, 2007

Medical outreaches:
2009 Upcoming Medical Outreaches

Papua New Guinea
July 17 - 27, 2009
Cost: $1200 + airfare
No longer accepting applications. Trip is full.

Cambodia
September 25 - October 3, 2009

Malawi, Africa
November 14 - 22, 2009
http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/Events/medicaloutreaches.htmThe evidence is overwhelmingly consistent that Chris Coleman did murder his wife and children. It is time people accept it.

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 05:46 PM
Do we have a copy of the actual search warrant? Also, below is the first responding officer's report:

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/27/14/ColumbiaSearch.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 05:47 PM
What is this? And who did they take this from?

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Police also took into evidence the original mini digital video cassette containing sample footage taken from the Coleman home on May 5, the day of the murders, plus airplane tickets for Coleman and his boss, Joyce Meyer.Wait...not sure if it was inside the home or in his SUV. Interesting.

Did LE take sample footage or was it taken by Chris? If LE took sample footage...why?

willow
05-27-2009, 05:47 PM
This is my first post regarding this case, and it reminds me of Scott Peterson's.

First, Christopher himself. Classic Scott. The girlfriend thing. Not wanting to be tied down anymore with a family.

His parents- exactly like the Petersons. Rude to the point of circling the wagons. Wouldn't let Sheri's family in the house. Deja` vu.

Entitlement The operative word here. I'm glad they arrested him. Hope his parents do EXACTLY what the Peterson's did.

Although, the church thing is different. Can't wait to see how THAT plays out. JMO

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 05:53 PM
Wait...not sure if it was inside the home or in his SUV. Interesting.

Did LE take sample footage or was it taken by Chris? If LE took sample footage...why?

Is it related to the security camera? Sample footage is an interesting choice of words.

I really want to see the actual search warrant. The media only reports what they feel is relevent on it and in their own words no less, which often changes the entire meaning.

analytical
05-27-2009, 05:56 PM
Is it related to the security camera? Sample footage is an interesting choice of words.

I really want to see the actual search warrant. The media only reports what they feel is relevent on it and in their own words no less, which often changes the entire meaning.

Hi SuziQ,

I'm curious about the "sample footage" ..maybe an e-mail to the reporter would shed more light.

gogrannypop
05-27-2009, 05:59 PM
A 24/7 video of JM's highlights perhaps?! ;)

Or ANY NG show at the highest volume.

waterlooinspector
05-27-2009, 06:01 PM
What do you want to bet that CC had a PO box set up just for his "personal" correspondence from his Florida connection? I bet Sheri had no clue about it

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 06:01 PM
Destiny Church does have several mission trips planned this year, but I don't see the schedule or where they are going.:

In 2009, there are more opportunities than ever to reach out to the world! With 8 teams being sent out to 7 nations, we are excited about reaching out more this year than ever before!

http://www.destinychurch.org/pages/missions.html (Bolded by me)

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 06:04 PM
Hi SuziQ,

I'm curious about the "sample footage" ..maybe an e-mail to the reporter would shed more light.

I just sent off an email asking about the sample footage and asking if they could post the search warrant online.

I gotta run for a few hours though, bbl.

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 06:05 PM
What do you want to bet that CC had a PO box set up just for his "personal" correspondence from his Florida connection? I bet Sheri had no clue about itWhich credit card did he use to set it up? Another perk from JMM?

Why did they feel a need to correspond via the post office tho? Only so he could get cards in the mail?! Seems very odd with all those throw away phones they found and his email accounts from work that Sheri could not access.

analytical
05-27-2009, 06:05 PM
SuziQ and all,

I sent an e-mail to the two reporters on the BND story asking for clarification on the "sample footage"

SuziQ
05-27-2009, 06:06 PM
SuziQ and all,

I sent an e-mail to the two reporters on the BND story asking for clarification on the "sample footage"

Cool.

analytical
05-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Reporter replied: "All that we know about that is in the story"

chestergal
05-27-2009, 06:20 PM
I just got back from the grocery store.

CC's Mug is on the Herald Tribune and the Steeleville Ledger
County Journal just has the headline w/o a pic.

analytical
05-27-2009, 06:22 PM
There were two reporters on the story regarding the "sample footage" ... just received this reply - "Donít know. The way it is worded in the request for the search warrant is the way we are reporting it."


I asked if the search warrant will be posted .. will let you know what the reply is.

chestergal
05-27-2009, 06:45 PM
Here are my thoughts now.

SC knew NOTHING about the refinance - the $28K was so that CC could carry on the affair without SC's knowledge.

I think now that his GF is deeper in on this much more than we know.
(could have forged SC's sig on the quit claim deed and on the refinance)

I think CC as traveling with his GF and that the tickets found were for CC & his GF who was traveling under JM's name. (correct me if I am wrong - if CC and the real JM were suppose to be flying some place soon.)

I'm sticking with...

He hated SC and the kids because they were living a pure life and CC was sick of the religious life style. My guess is he thought he could get away with this and then also sue JMM for the deaths of his family. (the threats that were suppose to be due his job with her - 3 deaths would get him more than just 1 death - JM would have settled out of court to keep it all out of the public eye if CC would have got away with it)

KT Can
05-27-2009, 06:47 PM
"They also found the transaction history for a line of credit to Coleman’s house in CC's SUV"

This statement is huge to me. I'm willing to bet that the sneaky cash-out refi was all by and for the benefit of CC to further fund his Florida activities without detection. Sheri may have signed some papers, just not for the reasons and outcome she thought she was signing them for.

CC is an idiot.

analytical
05-27-2009, 06:48 PM
Reporter says search warrant is too long to post online .. over 50 pages.

KT Can
05-27-2009, 06:50 PM
Looks like we were posting the same thing at the same time, chestergal! I want to know who notarized Sheri's sig on the refi docs and what their relationship is to CC...

chicoliving
05-27-2009, 07:00 PM
Court records offer new details in Columbia triple homicide

The search warrant will be posted online later this evening. Be sure to check back on KMOV.com.

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/kmov-stlouis-090527-coleman-search-warrant.21ea234c.html

chestergal
05-27-2009, 07:02 PM
I hate to say it but is is easy to get something like this notarized in the Chester area without showing ID.

galvino
05-27-2009, 07:04 PM
"They also found the transaction history for a line of credit to Colemanís house in CC's SUV"

This statement is huge to me. I'm willing to bet that the sneaky cash-out refi was all by and for the benefit of CC to further fund his Florida activities without detection. Sheri may have signed some papers, just not for the reasons and outcome she thought she was signing them for.

CC is an idiot.

I agree!

Noticed that JMM is going to Malawi in November- ya'll think she will try to help Madonna with her adoption? LOL:crazy:

chestergal
05-27-2009, 07:24 PM
PO Box rental fee receipt from July 2.
Purchase Receipt from Home Depot for red spray paint from July 29.

He had been planning this for a long time.

OrdinaryLife
05-27-2009, 07:27 PM
FWIW, *if* CC had a business credit card, he may have used it many times. Paid, been reinbursed after the fact, (or the reverse) and SC would never had known. It is not unusual for companies to give such cards. Now, some are more strict than others regarding how the card is used. Business vs pleasure. And, receipts must be submitted in many cases. I wonder if the JM Ministeries were more "forgiving" (if CC had such a credit card related to his job) than others. It's possible.

Just tossing it out there. I still believe, as I have posted many times, look at the financial trail. There will be a map.....

TallCoolOne
05-27-2009, 07:36 PM
Reporter says search warrant is too long to post online .. over 50 pages.
Humph. Did you tell the reporter that it's 'online' so it isn't like it would be a waste of paper? j/k

*sigh* Oh well, thanks for trying!

TallCoolOne
05-27-2009, 07:37 PM
Court records offer new details in Columbia triple homicide

The search warrant will be posted online later this evening. Be sure to check back on KMOV.com.

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/kmov-stlouis-090527-coleman-search-warrant.21ea234c.htmlThank you for that, chicoliving!!

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 07:39 PM
This gives me a little satisfaction to know that one or more of them fought back against this monster!

With the search warrant for Chris Coleman's body, police took two swabbings of his right hand and noted a reddish injury to his right forearm, and two scratches on his right forearm. Police also took handwriting samples from him.

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 07:42 PM
Hello SeriouslySearching and Gang,

About the below, precisely what I thought -- he left her not only fully violated by murder, but naked...fully humiliated in death.

Awwww...he just had to humiliate her one last time, didn't he?! :( ....

I won't go on the tirade I would like to about his sentence, but I think there should be laws for murderers like this... 5 minutes in court, and then an immediate public opportunity to humiliate him and render to him the mercy that he showed to Sheri and the children, ... but then I said I wouldn't go on the tirade... And no, I do not think that society deserves to take a further beating from this man, his family already took the worst, no juror should have to see the pictures, no one should have to pay for food put in his mouth...oh, but I said I won't go on the tirade.

As per the orange cord, I brought up the bales (after its mention in the press conf), but opened that for discussion and brainstorming, someone thought of bailing wire, another thought of a cord used in bailing -- they deserve the credit for brainstorming that one.

Now then...check out the wording (http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html):

>>"(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."<<

See the above wording ***you*** and "your family" ?

Then...

>>"I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."<<

[again a so-called reference to CC doing something that had something to do with stealing people's money -- that wasn't Sheri that this so-called threat was supposed to be alluding to]

and

>>"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"<<

[again...the above is a so-called threat alluding to CC protecting JM]

So...if a so-called threatmeister really wrote that, really knew the schedule then they wanted "you" and "your family" -- not just Sheri and the children.

The above really says it all --

And did anyone notice this in the article:
>>Also recovered from the basement office of the home was a sealed envelope containing sales orders for Coleman's company -- Executive Innovations -- as well as letters written by inmates to Joyce Meyer.<<

So just what do you think CC was doing with those inmate letters?

passionflower
05-27-2009, 07:45 PM
This gives me a little satisfaction to know that one or more of them fought back against this monster!



http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

yes, but sad also to know the last person they saw killing them was someone they thought loved them..........what a monster! :eek:

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 07:47 PM
Just curious, and NOT trying to start a heated debate or fight, but, is there anyone here that was on the fence about CC's innocence?

If yes, did the article on BND sway anyone either way?

chicoliving
05-27-2009, 07:47 PM
Pretty sure these are new and the ones we're looking for.

Scroll down and to the left is a list of SW in pdf.

SEARCH WARRANTS
PDF: Coleman search warrant complaint
PDF: Chris Coleman search warrant
PDF: Coleman house search warrant
PDF: Second house search warrant
PDF: Search warrant for straw bails
PDF: Coleman vehicle search warrant

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 07:48 PM
Wrinkles, when I read that about the letters from the inmates, I wondered if he wasn't "shopping" for a perp / scapegoat. KWIM?

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 07:49 PM
Pretty sure these are new and the ones we're looking for.

Scroll down and to the left is a list of SW in pdf.

SEARCH WARRANTS
PDF: Coleman search warrant complaint
PDF: Chris Coleman search warrant
PDF: Coleman house search warrant
PDF: Second house search warrant
PDF: Search warrant for straw bails
PDF: Coleman vehicle search warrant

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

You're awesome! :clap: :clap: :clap: Thank you!

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/chriscolemansearch.pdf

Good heaven's, he had cell phones hidden ALL over the house!

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 08:00 PM
Wonder why they only took the pillowcase from Garetts pillow and not Gavins?

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:01 PM
Good evening! :seeya: NANCY GRACE IS COVERING SHERI'S CASE ~ RIGHT NOW!

passionflower
05-27-2009, 08:04 PM
watching NG......poor Sheri, found nude in her bed.
He had to disgrace her 1 last time..........
orange bailing twine..........
"preacher's son!'.........omy, I didn't know that one.

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 08:04 PM
So sorry for those of you who are sensitive...you might want to skip this (http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html)

>>"After searching the first level of the house and finding no one, we went upstairs to the second story. ... As I walked up the stairs, I looked to my left and saw a white female, lying on her stomach," Detective Justin Barlow wrote. Barlow reported Sheri Coleman was naked and lying face down.<<

On stomach...obviously chest downward.

>>The officer said he tried to determine whether Sheri Coleman was alive, and noticed that rigor mortis had set in, which usually occurs within two to three hours, according to experts.

"I attempted to slightly roll her over in order to see her eyes and check for breathing. I noticed when I lifted her shoulder, her head and neck moved also. It appeared rigor mortis had set in. I noticed the skin of her chest and head appeared purple," Barlow reported.<<

He doesn't specify where the discoloration, but it certainly appears that livemortis (discoloration - maybe side of face/neck and front of chest) and Rigormortis (stiffening) were well on their way... This didn't happen in 1 hour and 8 minutes.

Livermortis: (http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livor_mortis&rct=j&ei=p8odSs2gFJmwtAPvy6yECQ&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=1&ct=result&q=livermortis&usg=AFQjCNG1cqxcgSOSAIYNXvJ9BB3l3-vZ5g)
>>Livor mortis starts 20 minutes to 3 hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in 4 to 5 hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6-12 hours. The blood pools into the interstitial tissues of the body.<<

Rigormortis: (http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/rigor_mortis.htm)
>>Rigor mortis refers to the state of a body after death, in which the muscles become stiff. It commences after around 3 hours, reaching maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 72 hours after death. Rigor mortis occurs due to changes in the physiology of muscles when aerobic respiration ceases.<<

The positions of the children were not specifically noted (stomach/back) -- there was a note of discoloration in their faces -- seems likely they were on their stomachs :(

Mind you...the above is talking about their bodies -- I absolutely believe that their souls/spirits were elsewhere. But ... we are looking at what a thief like the murderer left here to help us know who did this.

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 08:06 PM
Okay. the sample video footage is from LE, NOT CC.

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 08:07 PM
Good evening! :seeya: NANCY GRACE IS COVERING SHERI'S CASE ~ RIGHT NOW!


Thanks, panthera! I was so busy reading all of the search warrants I forgot!

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 08:07 PM
Howdy dear Lovejac,

I thought what you did too, in one way, then I thought of him shopping for text for his threats too. Either way, it seemed more like shopping than doing "security duty" to me.

Wrinkles, when I read that about the letters from the inmates, I wondered if he wasn't "shopping" for a perp / scapegoat. KWIM?

passionflower
05-27-2009, 08:07 PM
a camera in the area!!!! YES!!! hope CC is seen on it!

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 08:10 PM
>>In Chris Colemanís SUV, police say they found a greeting card from St. Petersburg, Fla. addressed to Coleman at his Columbia post office box.<< (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument)

So what did that greeting card say?

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:10 PM
From Nancy's show ~

Inside the house, receipt for spray paint from Home Depot, an airline boarding pass, bailing twine. Police camera on water tower near the house could solve timeline, track CC's movements. Sheri found naked, face down in bed; boys were in their beds. CC had injuries & scratches on arms.

NG producer: today LE revealed what they found at crime scene, search warrants. Details of threatening letters CC said he received threatening him, family & religion. Homemade noose found on I-255, near where glove was found. Haybales stacked against back of house with same type of twine. Screen had been removed from window in back yard, propped up against patio table by window.

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:11 PM
Thanks, panthera! I was so busy reading all of the search warrants I forgot!
Caught me by surprise too since Sheri wasn't mentioned on Nancy's website for tonight's show. :D

analytical
05-27-2009, 08:12 PM
>>In Chris Colemanís SUV, police say they found a greeting card from St. Petersburg, Fla. addressed to Coleman at his Columbia post office box.<< (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument)

So what did that greeting card say?

Love from Florida! See you soon ... Tara

passionflower
05-27-2009, 08:13 PM
home made noose....found on orange bail twine/same on hay bales
stupid CC........and the rage hate words painted on walls.............

NG calls letters a bad 5th grade novel........LOL

X Marine, security guard and CC didn't protect his family?
so disgraceful...........IMO, he is dumb enough to get the NEEDLE!!!
why are these people all gong crazy? Never hear of DIVORSE?????
friends,sorry for my tantrum........

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 08:13 PM
>>In Chris Colemanís SUV, police say they found a greeting card from St. Petersburg, Fla. addressed to Coleman at his Columbia post office box.<< (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument)

So what did that greeting card say?


Enquiring minds want to know!:eek:

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:13 PM
Wrinkles ~ thanks so much for the detailed post regarding LE finding Sheri. It sure saves me looking up the information until later when I get caught up. :blowkiss:

Origrammi
05-27-2009, 08:14 PM
Just a couple of observations regarding the 'bales' everyone has spoken of...

Lots of people around here us bales of STRAW, not hay. Mississippi mud is famous for drying as hard as your dinner plates. That being said that quality makes it extremely difficult to get a good solid lawn. During the rainy seasons, and which one isn't, people often put straw out over bald patches in the back yards to keep the mud from the kids and the pets out of the house.

Lots of people buy straw bales when they plant new grass here too.

We use bales to target practice with a bow, but we and many many others use the cheap target practice bales which are covered with the target in a sort of sleeve.

It isn't really unusual to find a bale or two of straw lying about a home in this area.

My two cents says CC used large sized plastic tie-wraps to kill his family. He would have been trained to use tie-wraps to restrain people in the Marines. Zip-zap he could slip it around the victims neck in their sleep and probably not wake them until it was threaded and he gave it a quick jerk. The victim would'nt be able to get it off and the coward wouldn't have to stand over them and wait for them to die those grewling 4 minutes.

Snap...and move on to the next victim. Efficient, quiet and cowardly.

That's my two cents anyway.

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 08:15 PM
Love from Florida! See you soon ... Tara

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

See you soon, on the news maybe!

passionflower
05-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Police camera 360 degree view and time???? WOW!

ALT
05-27-2009, 08:17 PM
thanks, but they wouldn't want me. I have a degree in holistic nutrition with herbalism and I personally think that most doctors are quacks. They would have thrown me out of the cancer ward before I could cook some nice meals. (I'm also trained in the classical French culinary arts)

but thanks for the offer....

Are you married Artie?blowkiss: j.k I'm already taken and I'm sure you are too!

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:17 PM
home made noose....found on orange bail twine/same on hay bales
stupid CC........and the rage hate words painted on walls.............

NG calls letters a bad 5th grade novel........LOL

X Marine, security guard and CC didn't protect his family?
so disgraceful...........IMO, he is dumb enough to get the NEEDLE!!!
why are these people all gong crazy? Never hear of DIVORSE?????
friends,sorry for my tantrum........
OMG ~ he reported getting these letters as far back as January??? :eek: PREMEDITATION!

passionflower
05-27-2009, 08:22 PM
welcome ORIGAMMI

agree, we have a farm and tons of bailed straw and hay.....
but this orange twine and noose are related to the house.......
I think that was the murder weapons but used like you said.......
quick yank with noose.........so sad! MONSTER!
bet his parents are proud.............

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:23 PM
From Nancy's show ~ About the "secret" P.O. Box, apparently USPS sent CC an e-mail reminding him he had money owing on the box.


What an idiot!!! :eek:

adnoid
05-27-2009, 08:32 PM
Pretty sure these are new and the ones we're looking for.

Scroll down and to the left is a list of SW in pdf.

SEARCH WARRANTS
PDF: Coleman search warrant complaint
PDF: Chris Coleman search warrant
PDF: Coleman house search warrant
PDF: Second house search warrant
PDF: Search warrant for straw bails
PDF: Coleman vehicle search warrant

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

This guy had enough cell phones to make Scott Peterson jealous!

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 08:32 PM
Pretty sure these are new and the ones we're looking for.

Scroll down and to the left is a list of SW in pdf.

SEARCH WARRANTS
PDF: Coleman search warrant complaint
PDF: Chris Coleman search warrant
PDF: Coleman house search warrant
PDF: Second house search warrant
PDF: Search warrant for straw bails
PDF: Coleman vehicle search warrant

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

according to the 2nd house search warrant, there was a credit card in Sheri's name sent to a PO box....it was found on the dining room table.

so did Sheri get her own PO box and keep it secret from CC? doesn't make sense that CC would have g/f sending mail to a PO box they shared (not that any of this crime makes sense).

do you think CC found out about Sheri's HSBC cc and they had an argument about it?

or do you think CC got a card in her name sent to *his* mailbox so he could charge things in her name to muddy the waters -- and Sheri found it and they argued about that??

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 08:35 PM
Wrinkles, when I read that about the letters from the inmates, I wondered if he wasn't "shopping" for a perp / scapegoat. KWIM?

I thought about that too. If not that, then maybe people he thought that he could frame? Orrrr, maybe he was going to slip in one of his threatening letters into an envelope or an enveloped threatening letter among the others in the stack?

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:37 PM
From Nancy's show ~ another good point brought up about the camera on the water tower, is that not only will it capture him leaving the area but also the "real killer" should be on it.

Caller talking about rigor mortis and wouldn't it place the TOD before he left the house.

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 08:41 PM
Has anyone said if CC is still at the same detention center he was originally placed in. I think that it said that that place did not provide solitary or suicide watch. Now that all of this is released I realllllllly wouldn't want to be him in that kind of a situation, there is just no way he can tell fellow inmates he is wrongly accused. Yikes, especially since it is possible that he was attempting to frame one of 'em, since they found the letters to JM from the inmates.

Could a jail like this encourage a prisoner to plea to get the h3ll outta there?:eek:

analytical
05-27-2009, 08:42 PM
SS,

Did you hear the medical guy saying rigor mortis could happen sooner if there was a struggle?

You brought that up last week.

panthera
05-27-2009, 08:46 PM
SS,

Did you hear the medical guy saying rigor mortis could happen sooner if there was a struggle?

You brought that up last week.
I heard the doctor on NG's show say that, but I'm also wondering if the boys were able to put up any kind of struggle. :)

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 08:47 PM
From Nancy's show ~

Inside the house, receipt for spray paint from Home Depot, an airline boarding pass, bailing twine. Police camera on water tower near the house could solve timeline, track CC's movements. Sheri found naked, face down in bed; boys were in their beds. CC had injuries & scratches on arms.

NG producer: today LE revealed what they found at crime scene, search warrants. Details of threatening letters CC said he received threatening him, family & religion. Homemade noose found on I-255, near where glove was found. Haybales stacked against back of house with same type of twine. Screen had been removed from window in back yard, propped up against patio table by window.

My mind is just racing right now... but another possibility for the hay, although probably not likely, left over from a Christmas time manger scene decoration...

Melanie
05-27-2009, 08:49 PM
1. Police seized airline boarding passes (JMM travel possibility)??
2. Home Depot receipt for spray paint
3. Orange twine with a loop tied on one end -- similar to twine that bound bales of straw behind the Coleman house
4. a box of latex gloves from the home
5. In Chris Colemanís SUV, police say they found a greeting card from St. Petersburg, Fla. addressed to Coleman at his Columbia post office box (another stupid man with a secret PO box)
6. Columbia police found the bodies, which were turning a purple color, police said. "It appears rigor mortis has began to set in," SORRY CC - DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE ELSE KILLED THEM WHILE YOU WERE AT THE GYM.

All doubts I had about this killer (CC) are gone, fini, buh-bye --

If anyone can explain away that CC is not the perp, I owe you lunch!

I am sooooo angry right now :furious:

Mel

Kimster
05-27-2009, 08:52 PM
From Nancy's show ~ another good point brought up about the camera on the water tower, is that not only will it capture him leaving the area but also the "real killer" should be on it.

Caller talking about rigor mortis and wouldn't it place the TOD before he left the house.

The locals have stated there is another entrance to the subdivision that doesn't have a camera, however. I don't think the camera will hold a lot of water in the long run, when the defense wants to use the SODDI story.

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 08:54 PM
Has NG said anything about the house in Affton? Has anything been said about why it was being guarded?

Would the Search Warrants say anything about maybe cash stored here for when he was going to leave? I dunno, I've just never understood why that place was guarded. I would of thought that they would have watched it to catch someone going there that could be an accomplice......

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 08:54 PM
HALP HALP old WRINKLED damsel in distress...

Adnoid, Chico, I go to the linked search warrant page referenced here and I find nothing.

Can you'se all reference me to where I can find those search warrants?

Melanie
05-27-2009, 08:55 PM
SS,

Did you hear the medical guy saying rigor mortis could happen sooner if there was a struggle?

You brought that up last week.

Yes, Dr. Baden talks about this quite a bit. Here's some interesting info. We would have to determine if they all struggled (which would be found if the purple started in the hands, head, and legs -- probably the most common areas). I would suspect the rest of the body parts would not be in rigor that quick. Great question!!

"Cadaveric spasm" refers to a kind of instant rigor mortis. After we die, the muscles of the body stiffen, from using up its oxygen supply and because wastes - carbon dioxide and urea - are no longer brought away from the muscle cells. It also has to do with the depletion of muscle enzymes. So, cadaveric spasm is a muscle phenomenon in which some muscles of the body become stiff instantly, rather than in the usual two to eight hours normal rigor takes to develop. The reason for such rapid rigor mortis, usually, is the extreme exertion of the muscles during the act of dying, especially as can happen during a struggle.

So, for instance, when somebody is in a struggle with another person before dying, the hand muscles may go into instant rigor mortis -- like in a mystery novel, when a button is tightly grasped in the hand of the deceased and is found later when the hand is opened. There are cases of people who have collapsed and died of a heart attack while long-distance running, and rigor mortis set in much faster in those cases, because of the depletion of oxygen and buildup of waste that occurs during such stressful exercise.

Although cadaveric spasm is not common, I have seen it. Because of the time factor, in order to see the condition, one has to view the body at the scene where it was found. One can find stiffness and rigor mortis in a body within minutes after death has occurred. As a medical examiner, I have seen cadaveric spasm in bodies that are taken out of bodies of water. In the process of drowning and in the exertion in trying to swim to shore, the hands of the victim, especially, become depleted of oxygen - and may have seaweed or other objects caught in the last grasp before death.

fmrchesterguy
05-27-2009, 08:57 PM
If it does turn out that CC wrote the threatening letters, and it seems like it will. They seem to reinforce my theory that CC felt forced to live a life he did not want to live. They would give him a 'good reason' to publicly denounce his religion, and possibly even to leave his wife.

Maybe SC found the CC in her name that appears to have been mailed to the same P.O. Box 72 that MM was sending greeting cards to CC at, and this moved CC's schedule up more than he was ready for.

AfterSunset
05-27-2009, 08:59 PM
The locals have stated there is another entrance to the subdivision that doesn't have a camera, however. I don't think the camera will hold a lot of water in the long run, when the defense wants to use the SODDI story.

I can't help it..all I got to say is it doesn't matter HOW many OTHER entrances there are to this subdivision..after all has been released today, I'm totally convinced CC is the ONLY one that could have done this terribly deed..by his own words he left about 5:30ish am...and from the TOD plus the officers description upon entering the scene...done deal here!

panthera
05-27-2009, 09:00 PM
My mind is just racing right now... but another possibility for the hay, although probably not likely, left over from a Christmas time manger scene decoration...
Nancy used that term but I read another poster saying it could've been something else. :)

chestergal
05-27-2009, 09:02 PM
A real eye opener into JMM - GCM of Chester uses many of the same tricks.
Souls looking to GOD and they find these false prophets and get taken. (it makes me sick)

http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/falseprophets.htm

Kimster
05-27-2009, 09:03 PM
I can't help it..all I got to say is it doesn't matter HOW many OTHER entrances there are to this subdivision..after all has been released today, I'm totally convinced CC is the ONLY one that could have done this terribly deed..by his own words he left about 5:30ish am...and from the TOD plus the officers description upon entering the scene...done deal here!

Oh, I totally agree with you! I just don't think the camera is going to be part of the crucial evidence. Thankfully, there's plenty more to present!!! Thank you CC for being a stoooopid POS!

panthera
05-27-2009, 09:03 PM
The locals have stated there is another entrance to the subdivision that doesn't have a camera, however. I don't think the camera will hold a lot of water in the long run, when the defense wants to use the SODDI story.
You're probably right, in the long run the video camera might not make much difference. It'll be that other mountain of evidence I suspect the DA is going to present that the defense will have to climb over!! :) MOO

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 09:04 PM
1. Police seized airline boarding passes (JMM travel possibility)??
2. Home Depot receipt for spray paint
3. Orange twine with a loop tied on one end -- similar to twine that bound bales of straw behind the Coleman house
4. a box of latex gloves from the home
5. In Chris Colemanís SUV, police say they found a greeting card from St. Petersburg, Fla. addressed to Coleman at his Columbia post office box (another stupid man with a secret PO box)
6. Columbia police found the bodies, which were turning a purple color, police said. "It appears rigor mortis has began to set in," SORRY CC - DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE ELSE KILLED THEM WHILE YOU WERE AT THE GYM.

All doubts I had about this killer (CC) are gone, fini, buh-bye --

If anyone can explain away that CC is not the perp, I owe you lunch!

I am sooooo angry right now :furious:

Mel

I wonder if any of the latex gloves had twine burn or just marks from the twine if CC had to pull it tight.

Wrinkles, I don't think that those scrubs were CC's either. Aside from the size thing I think that someone said that the garbage had already been collected by the time police went to the scene.

I really think that it would be wise for CC's family to take a vacation, they are adding feul to the fire by asking for money, and that fire was raging to begin with!

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 09:06 PM
HALP HALP old WRINKLED damsel in distress...

Adnoid, Chico, I go to the linked search warrant page referenced here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3800136&postcount=152) and I find nothing.

Can you'se all reference me to where I can find those search warrants?

Wrinkles this link works for me....the search warrant pdf links are in the grey box on the lower left

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

Melanie
05-27-2009, 09:14 PM
If it does turn out that CC wrote the threatening letters, and it seems like it will. They seem to reinforce my theory that CC felt forced to live a life he did not want to live. They would give him a 'good reason' to publicly denounce his religion, and possibly even to leave his wife.

Maybe SC found the CC in her name that appears to have been mailed to the same P.O. Box 72 that MM was sending greeting cards to CC at, and this moved CC's schedule up more than he was ready for.

This is what makes me cry - why not just divorce or leave...walk away! I don't understand under what circumstance anyone has to murder (well, self defense I guess would be the only reason). But to strangle your wife, while she's in bed on her stomach, is just chilling.

Did he put her in that position (another question)

I also wonder why she was neked (did she always sleep that way). With 2 kids, I wouldn't suppose so. I have a young son, and haven't slept neked since the day he was born. You never know when you have to get up, or when he will come waltzing in. Maybe other moms can chime in on that one.

Like someone said - my mind is just spinning!!

Mel

WestSideGal
05-27-2009, 09:14 PM
Has NG said anything about the house in Affton? Has anything been said about why it was being guarded?

Would the Search Warrants say anything about maybe cash stored here for when he was going to leave? I dunno, I've just never understood why that place was guarded. I would of thought that they would have watched it to catch someone going there that could be an accomplice......

There were some other comments in the old thread about the house in Affton that I couldn't reply to after I posted since it got moved here. I posted last night that JMM hasn't owned that house since 2005. It was only rumored to be guarded and since there's no search warrant listed for the Affton house (that I can see in any of the links) I don't believe CC has had anything to do with that house since it was sold.

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 09:24 PM
Oh, I totally agree with you! I just don't think the camera is going to be part of the crucial evidence. Thankfully, there's plenty more to present!!! Thank you CC for be a stoooopid POS!

Is it at all possible that since the kids were still in their bedrooms they were strangled without really knowing what was going on and the injuries happened because it was just a reflex? Is it still a possibility that they were drugged even somewhat and then even less aware?

The picture of Sheri's brother was just so heartbreaking because the way he was standing it literally looks like he is reeling from this, the emotional energy that was present in the house that was being described in that article is just so crushing. No family should EVER have to bear this. EVER. EVER. EVER. EVER.

If the mistress isn't locked up as an accessory and the house is not DEMOLISHED, she should be forced to live in that house for the rest of her days there AS IT WAS, messages on the wall, copies of the photos that decorated the house, replicas of the Garett and Gavin's toys that will never be played with ever again.

chicoliving
05-27-2009, 09:25 PM
HALP HALP old WRINKLED damsel in distress...

Adnoid, Chico, I go to the linked search warrant page referenced here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3800136&postcount=152) and I find nothing.

Can you'se all reference me to where I can find those search warrants?

Try these links

Coleman vehicle search
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/colemanvehicle.pdf

Straw bales search
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/colemanstrawbails.pdf

Second Coleman house SW
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/colemanhousesearch2.pdf

Coleman house SW
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/colemanhousesearch.pdf

note: I didn't see a difference between the two SW returns for the house

Chris Coleman SW
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/chriscolemansearch.pdf

Coleman SW complaint
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/chriscolemansearch.pdf

Fairy1
05-27-2009, 09:26 PM
A real eye opener into JMM

http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/falseprophets.htm (http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/falseprophets.htm)


Wow. The fact that she is so vocal about her riches and still has so many followers is frightening to me! I will never understand how so very many people will buy into this carp and follow blindly when plain old common sense should dictate otherwise.

IMO, the scrutiny this case will bring to JMM will topple their empire. There was no way for her to distance herself from this monster fast enough - the horse was already out of the barn!

escamoles
05-27-2009, 09:27 PM
My mind is just racing right now... but another possibility for the hay, although probably not likely, left over from a Christmas time manger scene decoration...I don't even live in the sticks and I have a couple of straw bales around. I use it in my garden as mulch and add it to my compost pile. There are lots of practical uses for it, and it's cheap -- $5 a bale, and I'm not even getting it from a farm supply.

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 09:31 PM
A real eye opener into JMM - GCM of Chester uses many of the same tricks.
Souls looking to GOD and they find these false prophets and get taken. (it makes me sick)

http://www.gospelassemblyfree.com/facts/falseprophets.htm

Makes ya wonder if CC after hearing, for perhaps his entire life, how people deserve to have it all, if he finally succumbed.....he went about it the wrong way, but I can't help but think that at a minimum there was some amount of brainwashing per se, and he possesses the personality/psychological traits to 'have it all', but not through good works.

WestSideGal
05-27-2009, 09:32 PM
Did anyone else catch SC's brother toward the end of the press conference yesterday when someone asked him a question (I couldn't hear it) and he responded something like he was the last hold out - on Tuesday and even until Wednesday. I think he was talking about how well he knew CC - was talking about going out to dinners on b-days, etc. I think he was trying to say that he didn't believe it could be CC that did this. Maybe others in the family came to the realization that CC did do it and he couldn't believe it at first.

artie gumshoe
05-27-2009, 09:37 PM
Hate to sound like a broken record, in me keep mentioning the camera in the front of the subdivision: but it is likely impossible for that camera to see anything at the Coleman house. I am sorry, I work in the computer technology business as well and I know what cameras can do, but I tried to keep that camera in my sights as I drove to CC's house. I couldn't see it anymore. If I can't see it or anything near it, there is a good chance that it can't see his house.

Melanie
05-27-2009, 09:38 PM
I wonder if any of the latex gloves had twine burn or just marks from the twine if CC had to pull it tight.

Wrinkles, I don't think that those scrubs were CC's either. Aside from the size thing I think that someone said that the garbage had already been collected by the time police went to the scene.

I really think that it would be wise for CC's family to take a vacation, they are adding feul to the fire by asking for money, and that fire was raging to begin with!

Did you read in the search warrant that one of the items collected was a pair of latex gloves in the master bedroom (in a bag). What the heck is going on here?

:eek:

Kimster
05-27-2009, 09:39 PM
Sadly, a professional guest on NG stated that there would have been some time where the victim would have wakened and known they were unable to breathe. It would have only been seconds, but he said the boys would have known something was going on.

Fairy1
05-27-2009, 09:40 PM
I'm thinking there are more search warrants that we aren't seeing yet. IIRC, they also searched JMM and I'm betting there's much more evidence yet to come to light.

All those cell phones and electronic equipment lead me to believe we haven't seen the tip of the iceberg as far as CC's dark side is concerned. IMO, this is what LE is continuing to investigate. There may very well be other women and evidence of deviant behavior.

I have believed almost from the beginning that CC was the killer. But what stuns me now is his unbelievable stupidity in carrying out the tragic murders of his own family. It just defies any and all logic.

He seems to have gone to great lengths to have his cake and eat it too, yet that still wasn't enough for him. How I hope the state of IL lifts that moratorium before his trial is over!

Melanie
05-27-2009, 09:43 PM
Wow. The fact that she is so vocal about her riches and still has so many followers is frightening to me! I will never understand how so very many people will buy into this carp and follow blindly when plain old common sense should dictate otherwise.

IMO, the scrutiny this case will bring to JMM will topple their empire. There was no way for her to distance herself from this monster fast enough - the horse was already out of the barn!

Ick, Ick, and triple Ick - I hate these stoopid ministries that spout such carp. Here we are, sitting in good' ol' poor California, Unemployed, husband on disability (but going back to work soon). We're doing just fine. It's not the riches we should all be aiming for, but for being healthy and having a happy family. I think CC spent too much time around JMM and felt he could really get away with this.

After reading the search warrant, and all the riches they took away - I was amazed. Who needs that many cell phones, credit cards, gift cards, computer equipment. Whatever happened to the simple life?

:confused:

panthera
05-27-2009, 09:46 PM
This is what makes me cry - why not just divorce or leave...walk away! I don't understand under what circumstance anyone has to murder (well, self defense I guess would be the only reason). But to strangle your wife, while she's in bed on her stomach, is just chilling.

Did he put her in that position (another question)

I also wonder why she was neked (did she always sleep that way). With 2 kids, I wouldn't suppose so. I have a young son, and haven't slept neked since the day he was born. You never know when you have to get up, or when he will come waltzing in. Maybe other moms can chime in on that one.

Like someone said - my mind is just spinning!!

Mel
And not only strangle his wife but the two children also! :mad: I too am questioning her lack of clothing since, as you said, with children one never knows when they'll have to get up or the kids could've come into the room. I wonder if he removed her clothes after the fact as more humiliation when LE would find her body? MOO

Kimster
05-27-2009, 09:47 PM
Ick, Ick, and triple Ick - I hate these stoopid ministries that spout such carp. Here we are, sitting in good' ol' poor California, Unemployed, husband on disability (but going back to work soon). We're doing just fine. It's not the riches we should all be aiming for, but for being healthy and having a happy family. I think CC spent too much time around JMM and felt he could really get away with this.

After reading the search warrant, and all the riches they took away - I was amazed. Who needs that many cell phones, credit cards, gift cards, computer equipment. Whatever happened to the simple life?

:confused:

I know what you mean! I've been laid off since November AND my tenant moved out in December. I look for jobs all the time and still unable to rent my little commercial building. And then people act SHOCKED that I don't have a cell phone. HELLO? Why? I'm CUTTING BACK! And you know what? I'm a LOT happier than I was with my ex and all the "riches" he had. Peace and tranquility beats the money hands down every time for me!

Signed,

Joyful and Unemployed :crazy:

Melanie
05-27-2009, 09:49 PM
according to the 2nd house search warrant, there was a credit card in Sheri's name sent to a PO box....it was found on the dining room table.

so did Sheri get her own PO box and keep it secret from CC? doesn't make sense that CC would have g/f sending mail to a PO box they shared (not that any of this crime makes sense).

do you think CC found out about Sheri's HSBC cc and they had an argument about it?

or do you think CC got a card in her name sent to *his* mailbox so he could charge things in her name to muddy the waters -- and Sheri found it and they argued about that??

From what I read in the SW - the credit card was sent to the same PO box (not a separate one that SC may have had).

This leads me to believe, CC filled out an application in SC's name and had it sent to his private box. Heck - she would never know would she? Especially if he was planning to kill his family.

On another note, I have filled out an application in my husband's name, but he knows about it (he just had better credit than I did when we married). I rec'd a card as a 2nd user.

So I'm really not sure what's going on behind the scenes on this one.

Best,

Mel

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 09:50 PM
Did you read in the search warrant that one of the items collected was a pair of latex gloves in the master bedroom (in a bag). What the heck is going on here?

:eek:

No, but I read that they found them, I think that they found a box of them in the house too. I think its just further evidence of cc's stupidity, not only could the police find the gloves, they found a box of them liking the pair to house. Unbelievable.

pres101
05-27-2009, 09:52 PM
Old 05-25-2009, 11:29 PM
pres101

#683 of thread 6
Quote.
I did hear a rumor earlier today that RC had resigned from Grace Ministries. It could also be that he stepped aside for a season.

It was just a rumor that I had heard so I can't confirm or deny. Let's hope he did resign. Surely the local paper could not overlook this.

Maybe Chestergal has some insight into this.
************************************************** *************************
Ron Coleman has not resigned from Grace Ministries.

Melanie
05-27-2009, 09:53 PM
I know what you mean! I've been laid off since November AND my tenant moved out in December. I look for jobs all the time and still unable to rent my little commercial building. And then people act SHOCKED that I don't have a cell phone. HELLO? Why? I'm CUTTING BACK! And you know what? I'm a LOT happier than I was with my ex and all the "riches" he had. Peace and tranquility beats the money hands down every time for me!

Signed,

Joyful and Unemployed :crazy:

Kudos to you!

:clap:

We did the same thing - cable in only 1 room, basic phone, no eating out (without a coupon). It's amazing how much you can save once you set your mind to it.

Sorry to get off topic, but wanted you to know you are not alone.

:)

ps: sorry - I couldn't give up the internet....LOL. I gave up Starbucks instead! (I was literally spending more on COFFEE than this computer) Yikes!!!

Kimster
05-27-2009, 10:00 PM
ps: sorry - I couldn't give up the internet....LOL. I gave up Starbucks instead! (I was literally spending more on COFFEE than this computer) Yikes!!! <snipped>

Now if I would have given up the internet, then I WOULD have been TRULY suffering! LOL
:crazy:

{{{HUGS}}} and encouragement to you and your hubby!

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 10:02 PM
Wow. The fact that she is so vocal about her riches and still has so many followers is frightening to me! I will never understand how so very many people will buy into this carp and follow blindly when plain old common sense should dictate otherwise.

IMO, the scrutiny this case will bring to JMM will topple their empire. There was no way for her to distance herself from this monster fast enough - the horse was already out of the barn!

Don't count on it. They always seem to bounce right back balling their eyes out or some such drama... from what I've seen it kinda reminds me of the WWF... it is real though and if it doesn't kill 'em it makes 'em stronger and the followers lap it up. Its heartbreaking.

chestergal
05-27-2009, 10:10 PM
Old 05-25-2009, 11:29 PM
pres101

#683 of thread 6
Quote.
I did hear a rumor earlier today that RC had resigned from Grace Ministries. It could also be that he stepped aside for a season.

It was just a rumor that I had heard so I can't confirm or deny. Let's hope he did resign. Surely the local paper could not overlook this.

Maybe Chestergal has some insight into this.
************************************************** *************************
Ron Coleman has not resigned from Grace Ministries.


However the Jason G, son of Linda G, the Youth Pastor at Grace has set up a Chris Coleman Defense Fund to raise cash and ensure that justice is done. This was on his FaceBook page but was quickley taken down. Perhaps some bad publicity.

I have a notion to ask him I should make the check out to Enrico J. Mirabelli to really make sure justice really is done.


Even though I don't like this little town I still don't think it is right that you are posting full names of people who are not the Coleman's or the names of people who have spoken out to the newspapers. (Like Derek and his father)
Google picks up every post here.

Just go google some of the names you have thrown out here on this message board that has nothing to do with this case and on the first google page that comes up you get the posts you have made on here about these people.
(You know the full names you have mentioned in the past on here - people who have NOTHING to do with this case.)

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 10:11 PM
From what I read in the SW - the credit card was sent to the same PO box (not a separate one that SC may have had).

This leads me to believe, CC filled out an application in SC's name and had it sent to his private box. Heck - she would never know would she? Especially if he was planning to kill his family.

On another note, I have filled out an application in my husband's name, but he knows about it (he just had better credit than I did when we married). I rec'd a card as a 2nd user.

So I'm really not sure what's going on behind the scenes on this one.

Best,

Mel

thanks,Mel...after I read another of the SWs I saw that CC used the same PO box.

It's interesting how many things related to their finances were found on the dining room table, but CC had the LOC statement in his SUV....I stilll can't help but believe that CC was in control of the family's finances, and more.

He must have been consumed 24x7 with his plan for his new life. Sick.

Wrinkles
05-27-2009, 10:12 PM
Hello Texas Mist and Cheekers

Thanks for the links and directions -- I'll get to those search warrants yet! Unfortunately I missed my nap today, and I am slumping over. Dangit, I really wanted to look at those today -- maybe in a couple hours -- or maybe I'll just hang out in the water bed until the AM.

BasicInstincts
05-27-2009, 10:12 PM
Speaking of Inmates earlier, I was told on Wed. nites at GBC they had youth nite of some sort and this woman's daughter attended it with one of her friends. The daughter came home and said they were writing letters to prisoners because they weren't guilty. As expected this woman called the church up and ripped them good and of course the child never went back. Now that is scary!

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:13 PM
Hate to sound like a broken record, in me keep mentioning the camera in the front of the subdivision: but it is likely impossible for that camera to see anything at the Coleman house. I am sorry, I work in the computer technology business as well and I know what cameras can do, but I tried to keep that camera in my sights as I drove to CC's house. I couldn't see it anymore. If I can't see it or anything near it, there is a good chance that it can't see his house.

They are releasing the video from the camera tonight on Fox 2 News in St. Louis.

Fairy1
05-27-2009, 10:13 PM
Don't count on it. They always seem to bounce right back balling their eyes out or some such drama... from what I've seen it kinda reminds me of the WWF... it is real though and if it doesn't kill 'em it makes 'em stronger and the followers lap it up. Its heartbreaking.


Sadly, I'm sure you're right. They will use "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away" to explain it all.

However, I'm not sure the IRS will be so understanding. There just has to be more to it and they have been investigated before. If I'm not mistaken, they are being investigated for something right now!

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:15 PM
I think the passport and cell phone of his in a packed bag is pretty damning, among all the other stuff Chris did to plan these cold, very calculated and sick/twisted murders

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 10:17 PM
Did anyone else catch SC's brother toward the end of the press conference yesterday when someone asked him a question (I couldn't hear it) and he responded something like he was the last hold out - on Tuesday and even until Wednesday. I think he was talking about how well he knew CC - was talking about going out to dinners on b-days, etc. I think he was trying to say that he didn't believe it could be CC that did this. Maybe others in the family came to the realization that CC did do it and he couldn't believe it at first.


Yes, WSG, I heard that too. He said something along the lines of 'he was the last one holding out, up until (I think) the day they arrested CC'

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Sadly, a professional guest on NG stated that there would have been some time where the victim would have wakened and known they were unable to breathe. It would have only been seconds, but he said the boys would have known something was going on.

Gosh, that's really hard to read :mad:

I guess all I can hope for at this point is that Gavin & Garett did not know it was their father that was killing them.

Kimster
05-27-2009, 10:19 PM
You know, with all the blundering this POS has done, I almost think he WANTED to be caught!

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 10:20 PM
And not only strangle his wife but the two children also! :mad: I too am questioning her lack of clothing since, as you said, with children one never knows when they'll have to get up or the kids could've come into the room. I wonder if he removed her clothes after the fact as more humiliation when LE would find her body? MOO

Or maybe that ding dong CC wanted to make it appear as if there was some sort of sexual assault..........you know...........from the Ninja's.:mad:

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 10:20 PM
They are releasing the video from the camera tonight on Fox 2 News in St. Louis.


thanks for the heads-up, Prayers! I'll try to catch the live stream from their site.

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 10:25 PM
I posted earlier (I think it got lost!) about why LE would take the pillowcase from Garett's pillow into evidence, but not Gavin's?

What thoughts do y'all have on that?

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:28 PM
I posted earlier (I think it got lost!) about why LE would take the pillowcase from Garett's pillow into evidence, but not Gavin's?

What thoughts do y'all have on that?


Maybe there were blood spots on it?
CC had scratch marks on his arm, maybe Garrett put up a fight and scratched CC, drawing blood?

OR ... maybe it was discharge they were hoping to get samples of? :(
When my sister passed away last year, she choked in her sleep due to asthma and couldn't breathe. She had regurgitated some pretty foul liquid after she died. Perhaps little Garrett did too and they were just trying to get some sort of sample from it.

Sorry to be so gross :(

Kimster
05-27-2009, 10:31 PM
Good question, Lovejac!

fran
05-27-2009, 10:31 PM
Wow. The fact that she is so vocal about her riches and still has so many followers is frightening to me! I will never understand how so very many people will buy into this carp and follow blindly when plain old common sense should dictate otherwise.

IMO, the scrutiny this case will bring to JMM will topple their empire. There was no way for her to distance herself from this monster fast enough - the horse was already out of the barn!

What's mind-boggling is she brags about taking in $8 MILLION a MONTH, AND brags about the portion of that donated for charitable work, $800,000, or ONLY 10%!

Listen PEOPLE, the CHARITABLE organizations, the NON-PROFIT organizations are being CHEATED by this PROFITABLE ministry. Why are you wasting your GOOD earned money? It would go MUCH further if you'd donate it directly to a charity of your choice.

Sorry, what a rip-off. IMHO................I seriously have been trying to hold my fingers still regarding this former employer of the accused murderer. But geesh!......I've been reading different things throughout the day and I can't believe so many people fall for the carp!:mad:

JMHO
fran

Jack
05-27-2009, 10:32 PM
I posted earlier (I think it got lost!) about why LE would take the pillowcase from Garett's pillow into evidence, but not Gavin's?

What thoughts do y'all have on that?


I haven't read anything, but first though is that maybe Gavin's was missing?

Lovejac
05-27-2009, 10:35 PM
Maybe there were blood spots on it?CC had scratch marks on his arm, maybe Garrett put up a fight and scratched CC, drawing blood?

OR ... maybe it was discharge they were hoping to get samples of? :(
When my sister passed away last year, she choked in her sleep due to asthma and couldn't breathe. She had regurgitated some pretty foul liquid after she died. Perhaps little Garrett did too and they were just trying to get some sort of sample from it.

Sorry to be so gross :(

I am SO glad you said that! That was the first thing that popped in my mind, except mine was grosser, and I didn't want to say it out loud. I wondered if CC had beaten him.:eek:

So sorry you lost your sister last year. :blowkiss:

daisy.faithfull
05-27-2009, 10:35 PM
Interesting Wikipedia article about "groupthink"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

Portions I found particularly interesting as they seem to apply to CC:

Symptoms of groupthink
I'd argue that the religious organizations that CC has been apart of exhibit many of these symptoms

To make groupthink testable, Irving Janis devised eight symptoms indicative of groupthink (1977).
* Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.
* Rationalising warnings that might challenge the group's assumptions.
* Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
* Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
* Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
* Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
* Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.
* Mindguards — self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information.

Groupthink, resulting from the symptoms listed above, results in defective decision making. That is, consensus-driven decisions are the result of the following practices of groupthinking:
Incomplete survey of alternatives
Incomplete survey of objectives
Failure to examine risks of preferred choice
Failure to reevaluate previously rejected alternatives
Poor information search
Selection bias in collecting information
Failure to work out contingency plans.
Certainly CC's actions are way off the chart, and so would his current symptoms, but I can see how some if not all of these "defective decision making" skills may have gotten the ball rolling...

Groupthink and de-individuation
Cults are also studied by sociologists with regards to groupthink and its effect on deindividuation. The textbook definition states deindividuation as the loss of self-awareness and evaluation apprehension; occurs in group situations that foster anonymity and draw attention away from the individual (Myers, 305)

I'm out here in AZ where we have the FLDS, so I don't know if we can call JMM and other similiar organization a cult, but I included the de-individuation because I wonder at its roll in CC's life...

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 10:36 PM
I posted earlier (I think it got lost!) about why LE would take the pillowcase from Garett's pillow into evidence, but not Gavin's?

What thoughts do y'all have on that?

I was wondering why alllll the bedding wasn't noted....the perp's hairs or fibers from clothing, etc could have been on any of it right?

I don't think we have seen a complete list of what was taken from the home.

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:37 PM
the emails, statements, everything about the warrants here in one link.
http://www.fox2now.com/media/acrobat/2009-05/47161772.pdf

Sorry if this was already posted....

Fairy1
05-27-2009, 10:39 PM
Even though I don't like this little town I still don't think it is right that you are posting full names of people who are not the Coleman's or the names of people who have spoken out to the newspapers. (Like Derek and his father)
Google picks up every post here.

Just go google some of the names you have thrown out here on this message board that has nothing to do with this case and on the first google page that comes up you get the posts you have made on here about these people.
(You know the full names you have mentioned in the past on here - people who have NOTHING to do with this case.)

I get where you're coming from chestergal. But if CC's defenders are soliciting $$$ for his defense, they ARE involved.

I have never been in such a situation but I really have to wonder, in the face of so much evidence, how can ANYONE believe this man is innocent? I know that if my own son committed such a horrific crime, I would know it as soon as I looked into his eyes. And I would still love him and would probably find forgiveness somewhere down the line. But jeez - this guy KILLED HIS CHILDREN!!! I just don't know how one - even a parent - can get past that.

BasicInstincts
05-27-2009, 10:41 PM
This is so true Daisy. That's why we have so many Kool Ade Kids following these groups. Jim Jones lives on.

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:45 PM
Wow, according to the search warrants, CC sure had quite a few jump drives or "thumb drives". Wonder what all he was saving to those?

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:46 PM
Yikes, the home depot receipt was dated in July of 2008??
That was quite a while ago!!

southernillinoisman
05-27-2009, 10:47 PM
In light of the release of the documents from this case today, the information that I have to share is relatively inconsequential but I wanted to share it anyway, in case it is of interest to some folks here:

For starters, I need to take back a bit of what I shared last night. I had a long conversation with a Managerial level JMM individual today who clarified some things. I stated last night that CC was the only link between Grace Church Ministries and several posters here spoke up to say that this was not the case. They were correct and my initial information was wrong. Sorry about that. It seems that JM says she has known CC since he was a child. That's interesting to me as I consider her frame of mind in all of this mess CC has made. I said to my source that I had heard that JM was very angry, sortof a "woman scorned". My source corrected me and said that she would describe JM's emotional state to me far more hurt than angry (although there is anger across the board, from what the source shared, within JMM for the deceit and doing away with his beautiful family.) Also, the source said that JM is convinced, and has been from very early on, that CC was guilty. She, like many others that knew him personally, have had a very difficult time trying to figure that out in their mind and grappling with it.

I asked my source about what Chris was like on a day to day basis. They said he was one of the nicest young men they'd met...always cheerful, serious about his work and very kind to everyone. Prodding, I asked if he was reclusive lately or more withdrawn...anything that would hint in hindsight that this was coming or that he had a "secret life." They said without hesitation, "Absolutely not...nothing. He's been the same as always leading up to this: very nice, cheerful and helpful; sortof the going above and beyond type at his job."

That all interested me a lot. It wasn't the image I had in my head. My source also spoke of a personal conversation with JM about the situation and said that JM said that God was simply proving in this situation the dangers of deceit and allowing a stronghold to take root in your life. She said that there are always consequences for those types of behavior, even when they aren't as big as this situation, and CC is finding that out now.

My source disputed the fact that JMM and JM hasn't reached out to the family, which has been discussed and reported on in great detail here since yesterday's Press Conference. I trust Sheri's family but I also trust my source...perhaps JM's attempts to be sympathetic didn't seem like they were enough. And perhaps they weren't. I don't know because I wasn't there.

I wanted to know more about RC's relationship with JM and how JM has known CC since he was a child. They wouldn't go there, so I have nothing more than simply that JM has known them for decades. I wish I knew more...it'd ease my mind or help me figure out this strange situation with CC's family (who, to me and apparently to most of you, haven't appeared to be "walking the talk" of a Christian family, let alone a family in a ministry or leadership position.)

One final note, and this is editorial and worth every cent you paid for it :)

I disagree with those who are taking pot-shots at JM as being a false prophet and such. I'm a Pastor and not of the Pentecostal-vein. I have had my issues with JM's "Word of Faith/Prosperity" theology and have mixed feelings about the seemingly lavish lifestyles lived by her family. But I don't feel that this situation, with the facts that we presently know, warrant attacks on JM's credibility. I've watched JM closely for many years because of my close relationship with those who work with her closely and, while I am not theologically in line with her beliefs some of the time and maybe even offended at other times in the past, I don't think she's going to be "brought down by this" or that she's hiding monstrous secrets. Matter of fact, I know she's not. The folks that I know very, very well...childhood relationships...that I trust 110% are there in leadership and they aren't hiding secrets. She is audited independantly every year and passes with flying colors. There are a few fundamentalist nut-jobs that consider it their personal lot in life to criticize every theological flaw they find in every minister that is more successful than they are...but I don't look to them for my information. I look to my analytical experience with my friends and loved ones and, more so, I look to independent folks who examine the ministry year in and year out and say that everything is on the up and up.

Sorry for the editorial, folks, especially in light of the big news today but I just wanted to share my thoughts.

Thanks to all of you for the great work that you've been doing!

panthera
05-27-2009, 10:49 PM
I posted earlier (I think it got lost!) about why LE would take the pillowcase from Garett's pillow into evidence, but not Gavin's?

What thoughts do y'all have on that?
Forensic evidence, possibly DNA from the perp?

Kimster
05-27-2009, 10:49 PM
What's mind-boggling is she brags about taking in $8 MILLION a MONTH, AND brags about the portion of that donated for charitable work, $800,000, or ONLY 10%!

Listen PEOPLE, the CHARITABLE organizations, the NON-PROFIT organizations are being CHEATED by this PROFITABLE ministry. Why are you wasting your GOOD earned money? It would go MUCH further if you'd donate it directly to a charity of your choice.

Sorry, what a rip-off. IMHO................I seriously have been trying to hold my fingers still regarding this former employer of the accused murderer. But geesh!......I've been reading different things throughout the day and I can't believe so many people fall for the carp!:mad:

JMHO
fran

Although I agree that on the surface this looks really really bad, but I'd like to see their books and see where the money is going before I pass judgement on them. Maybe it goes to help people? By law they are required to send you that information if you request it.

On the flipside, I certainly would not be involved without checking them out!!!

panthera
05-27-2009, 10:51 PM
Yikes, the home depot receipt was dated in July of 2008??
That was quite a while ago!!
I wonder what else he would've used the red spray paint for? Just curious since from the date on the receipt it seems like something that was just "handy" at the time of the murders. :waitasec:

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 10:53 PM
The more I read through these search warrants, the more amazed I am!! How many laptops, camera and cell phones do a family of 4 need?!?!? Or were they ALL his -- which is even worse!!!

chestergal
05-27-2009, 10:54 PM
I get where you're coming from chestergal. But if CC's defenders are soliciting $$$ for his defense, they ARE involved.

I have never been in such a situation but I really have to wonder, in the face of so much evidence, how can ANYONE believe this man is innocent? I know that if my own son committed such a horrific crime, I would know it as soon as I looked into his eyes. And I would still love him and would probably find forgiveness somewhere down the line. But jeez - this guy KILLED HIS CHILDREN!!! I just don't know how one - even a parent - can get past that.


He has mention by full name other people who live in this town that have nothing to do with this case, church, or the Coleman's.

If he has something then a screen capture or a link to the myspace or whatever it was would have been fine.

Yes I find it hard to understand why anyone would support this family - but I just think it is not right to put these peoples full names on here unless they come out publicly and stay out there publicly.

Bluenotes
05-27-2009, 10:54 PM
"I attempted to slightly roll her over in order to see her eyes and check for breathing. I noticed when I lifted her shoulder, her head and neck moved also. It appeared rigor mortis had set in. I noticed the skin of her chest and head appeared purple," Barlow reported.

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Depending on the manifestation of livorósmall blotches versus larger areasóthe person has likely been dead anywhere from 2-8 hours provided the livor has not become permanent or "fixed". If the livor is fixed, then the person has likely been dead longer than 8 hours.

http://http://www.coronerstories.com/2005/06/22/%E2%80%9Clivor-mortis%E2%80%9D/

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 10:57 PM
I wonder what else he would've used the red spray paint for? Just curious since from the date on the receipt it seems like something that was just "handy" at the time of the murders. :waitasec:The bullseye on his archery targets. I guess in July '08 he felt he needed to brush up on his skills for hunting.

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 10:59 PM
I wonder what else he would've used the red spray paint for? Just curious since from the date on the receipt it seems like something that was just "handy" at the time of the murders. :waitasec:

Bizarre that he saved the receipt & had it so handy!

As tho it was something special....like saving ticket stubs from a memorable date. :shocked2:

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 11:00 PM
"I attempted to slightly roll her over in order to see her eyes and check for breathing. I noticed when I lifted her shoulder, her head and neck moved also. It appeared rigor mortis had set in. I noticed the skin of her chest and head appeared purple," Barlow reported.

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Depending on the manifestation of livorósmall blotches versus larger areasóthe person has likely been dead anywhere from 2-8 hours provided the livor has not become permanent or "fixed". If the livor is fixed, then the person has likely been dead longer than 8 hours.

http://http://www.coronerstories.com/2005/06/22/%E2%80%9Clivor-mortis%E2%80%9D/Strangulation will cause the capillaries in the face and chest to rupture causing the purple look to the skin. (You can get the same effect from a bad asthma attack.)

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Bizarre that he saved the receipt & had it so handy!

As tho it was something special....like saving ticket stubs from a memorable date. :shocked2:They found it in a travel bag with his wallet and possibly the whole paint message thing was thought up when he happened across that old receipt.

fran
05-27-2009, 11:04 PM
the emails, statements, everything about the warrants here in one link.
http://www.fox2now.com/media/acrobat/2009-05/47161772.pdf

Sorry if this was already posted....

I'm only on page 6 and OMGosh! Did you see that?

On May 5th at 11:59 A.M. they had already had a SW signed for 'bodily fluids and defensive wounds' etc.,..............from Chris Coleman. Wow! They must have gotten that stuff before he even left the hospital that day.

NOW we know why he lawyered up so fast! The same day his family was found murdered. He was already caught and he knew it!:eek:

JMHO
fran

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 11:04 PM
I was wondering why alllll the bedding wasn't noted....the perp's hairs or fibers from clothing, etc could have been on any of it right?

I don't think we have seen a complete list of what was taken from the home.

the warrants did note that they took bedding from the master bedroom, too.

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 11:05 PM
I'm only on page 6 and OMGosh! Did you see that?

On May 5th at 11:59 A.M. they had already had a SW signed for 'bodily fluids and defensive wounds' etc.,..............from Chris Coleman. Wow! They must have gotten that stuff before he even left the hospital that day.

NOW we know why he lawyered up so fast! The same day his family was found murdered. He was already caught and he knew it!:eek:

JMHO
fran

Yeah, this is unbelievable. It seems they found the makeshift "noose" too rather quickly ... these officers were on top of their game.

panthera
05-27-2009, 11:06 PM
Bizarre that he saved the receipt & had it so handy!

As tho it was something special....like saving ticket stubs from a memorable date. :shocked2:
Unbelievable! Wonder if he saved all seemingly inconsequential receipts? Most people throw them away.

analytical
05-27-2009, 11:07 PM
Has anyone seen the report on the subdivision camera yet? It's on Fox2 - right? I got live streaming at 10:02 and it was a weather report.
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story now on evidence

panthera
05-27-2009, 11:10 PM
I'm only on page 6 and OMGosh! Did you see that?

On May 5th at 11:59 A.M. they had already had a SW signed for 'bodily fluids and defensive wounds' etc.,..............from Chris Coleman. Wow! They must have gotten that stuff before he even left the hospital that day.

NOW we know why he lawyered up so fast! The same day his family was found murdered. He was already caught and he knew it!:eek:

JMHO
fran
His biggest mistake which I believe led LE to suspect him was the narrow window of opportunity for a stranger perp to enter the house, commit 3 strangulation murders and spray paint the house. The second biggest mistake, imo, was him calling LE for a 'welfare check' shortly before 7am when he'd only been gone an hour and was only a few minutes from the house. And then, for an ex-Marine who was employed in security, his "breakdown" on the lawn was too dramatic. Three big clues right there for LE before they ever started investigating. :eek: MOO

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 11:10 PM
Once a person is named in the media in reference to a case, we consider it fair game to use their names here. Altho calling TL = Miss Motive was only done to be nice and to put things in perspective at the same time. ;)

AfterSunset
05-27-2009, 11:12 PM
looking at the evidence list they took the rubber molding from the front passenger door frame of the green explorer (cc's vehicle)...

what on earth do you think they could be looking at here (or find here) ? :confused:

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 11:14 PM
I am HIGHLY impressed with the MCS! Bravo!!! :clap::clap::clap::clap:
Hellova job!! :woohoo:

alwaysonmymind
05-27-2009, 11:15 PM
looking at the evidence list they took the rubber molding from the front passenger door frame of the green explorer (cc's vehicle)...

what on earth do you think they could be looking at here (or find here) ? :confused:

Maybe red paint?

analytical
05-27-2009, 11:15 PM
looking at the evidence list they took the rubber molding from the front passenger door frame of the green explorer (cc's vehicle)...

what on earth do you think they could be looking at here (or find here) ? :confused:

wondering that myself :confused:

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 11:15 PM
Has anyone seen the report on the subdivision camera yet? It's on Fox2 - right? I got live streaming at 10:02 and it was a weather report.
--------------
story now on evidence

I watched the piece re: CC....the reporter talked about what was in the doc dump we read today, but didn't show the sample video.

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 11:16 PM
looking at the evidence list they took the rubber molding from the front passenger door frame of the green explorer (cc's vehicle)...

what on earth do you think they could be looking at here (or find here) ? :confused:Hmmm..good question. Maybe he got some paint on it from the glove?

Lindadanette
05-27-2009, 11:16 PM
Why would CC have JM's airline ticket? Reading through the sickening details a terrible thought came to mind. . . I think that CC was going to kill JM next. If he hadn't been caught (and how could he not have?) I think that he would have attempted to harm Joyce and make it look like the "psycho baptist" did it. I think they will find more evidence to support this. Southernillinoisman, let your boss know she lucky to be alive. I hope that it's a wake up call for her. You said that she never got one single discerning bit of holy ghost forboding from this POS - that's a spiritual red flag, and she would be very wise to pay heed to it. I say this with all due respect.

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 11:17 PM
The more I look at these photos, the more it makes me cry.

http://www.kmov.com/perl/common/slideshow/sspop.pl?recid=16533&previous=1

:(

How could he??

Fairy1
05-27-2009, 11:18 PM
What's mind-boggling is she brags about taking in $8 MILLION a MONTH, AND brags about the portion of that donated for charitable work, $800,000, or ONLY 10%!

Listen PEOPLE, the CHARITABLE organizations, the NON-PROFIT organizations are being CHEATED by this PROFITABLE ministry. Why are you wasting your GOOD earned money? It would go MUCH further if you'd donate it directly to a charity of your choice.

Sorry, what a rip-off. IMHO................I seriously have been trying to hold my fingers still regarding this former employer of the accused murderer. But geesh!......I've been reading different things throughout the day and I can't believe so many people fall for the carp!:mad:

JMHO
fran

Me neither, Fran. It's nearly as chilling to me as the murders we're discussing here.

I wonder if CC may have become disillusioned being so close to the JMM core. Perhaps he was truly a good, God-fearing man before he became associated with JMM and saw the ugly, underbelly of his faith???

Then again, the premeditation and cold-hearted nature of the murders would lead you to believe we are dealing with a born narcissistic physco here. IDK. It's really mind-boggling to me!

Texas Mist
05-27-2009, 11:19 PM
Unbelievable! Wonder if he saved all seemingly inconsequential receipts? Most people throw them away.

If they'd said they found it @ home in a folder or box with lots of other receipts, that would be one thing...but since that's not where they found it, and it's so old, why was he saving it?

Even if he purchased an add'l item & saved the receipt for say, warranty purposes, why carry it around in with him? File it away!

Creeps me out to think about why he may have saved it.

nursebeeme
05-27-2009, 11:21 PM
wow.... just read the spray paint was purchased 7-29-08

SeriouslySearching
05-27-2009, 11:21 PM
Why would CC have JM's airline ticket? Reading through the sickening details a terrible thought came to mind. . . I think that CC was going to kill JM next. If he hadn't been caught (and how could he not have?) I think that he would have attempted to harm Joyce and make it look like the "psycho baptist" did it. I think they will find more evidence to support this. Southernillinoisman, let your boss know she lucky to be alive. I hope that it's a wake up call for her. You said that she never got one single discerning bit of holy ghost forboding from this POS - that's a spiritual red flag, and she would be very wise to pay heed to it. I say this with all due respect.Hmmm...you know...I never considered it before now, but why not? Maybe killing her was part of the reason he killed his family...they were collateral damage to the person he really wanted dead? If he had gotten away with this and it was blamed on SODDI...he would have been in a position to do the same or worse to JM at some point. We already know how diabolical Chris Coleman is and there is no telling how far he would have gone if he wasn't caught so easily.

PrayersForMaura
05-27-2009, 11:22 PM
Where did Chris come up with the stuff he allegedly wrote in those "threatening" letters??

It's almost as if someone said this stuff to him and retained it...

"It says, "You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people’s money. You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a (obscenity) and not worth you doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule! You can’t hide from me ever. I’m always watching. I know when you leave in the morning and I know when you stay home. I saw you leave this morning.""

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument


He's nuts.

chestergal
05-27-2009, 11:22 PM
I find it odd that he left his wallet back at the house, it had his DL in it among other things (they found in the dining room in a Black bag) - I am surprised he left the house without it when he took his trip to the gym.
We know he was not allowed back in the house.