MI - AMBER ALERT! 5 year old Nevaeh Buchanan missing, scooter abandoned #4

[nursebeeme]

continue here~

presser today at 1030 est (0930 cst, 0730 mt)

http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html
http://www.wtol.com/
http://www.foxtoledo.com/

Neveah's forensic astrology thread:
Forensic Astrology - Nevaeh Buchanan missing 5/24/09 MI. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Previous threads:
MI - AMBER ALERT! 5 year old Nevaeh Buchanan missing, bike abandoned - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84747&page=35
MI - AMBER ALERT! 5 year old Nevaeh Buchanan missing, scooter abandoned #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Rest sweetly, Neveah

[BobbieBu]

I pulled this from #3 since I posted it right before it closed. It's about the 2 hours before police were there... I'm thinking the 2 hours might have been mixed up.

The article on click on detroit states that they saw the concrete and then started fishing. It was 2 hours before they actually checked the concrete out and that's when they saw the skin and automatically called police.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html

[amandab]

Thanks for the new thread, nurse!

[elle1919]

When I was a young girl in Tennessee, there was a man that liked little girls in our neighborhood, They didn't label them as sex offenders as they do today(and even thats not enough) well my daddy found out what this man liked to do in his spare time and started keeping tabs on him. He told anyone that would listen about the one child he knew of that this man molested.Whenever the creep was out in the neighborhood my dad would follow him, well one day I answered the door and lo and behold it was a policewoman that had a warrant to arrest my dad for harassment. I remember I cried when they took my daddy away but he just looked at me and smiled and said don't worry baby I'll be home in just a bit....and he was.....and he never stopped bothering this pig. One guy, keeping tabs on one guy...and willing to go to jail to do it.

Until our country....and others decide what to do about all this people stealing the life away from our children maybe we should just do what daddy did and keep track of the ones around us. Even when the Law tells us we are the ones who are in the wrong.

[nursebeeme]

BB, that certainly makes a LOT more sense!

[Spyglass]

Could someone tell me if there's a previous post in the old threads that gives details on the home invastion JB was convicted of? If so, about how far back?

I apologize for my ignorance. I'm trying to "catch up" on the old threads and stay "caught up" on the new threads at the same time.

[oceanblueeyes]

I am bringing my post over from thread #3.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nursebeeme
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...997/0/SPORTS09

Looks like whomever poured this crete wanted to make it look like it fit in with the rocks.Quote

I am just befuddled by where the monster put Nevaeh. All around them the environment is green. Why so close to the bank? Why put a stark white block over the top of the grave knowing that people fished there often? The son immediately knew it was concrete but thought it was just leftover from some highway work being done up the road.

He said his feet was on the thin concrete as he sat on the two rocks there and him moving around is what caused the thin layer to start breaking away. Her body really had to be right underneath that very thin almost non existing concrete if he didn't even have to dig down and was able to see what he thought was her back. (That just tears me up)

So why would the perp place her in an area that was known to be fished often. The men said it wasn't unusual to see someone fishing in that spot.

It still gives me an eerie feeling that whomever is the murderer of this precious child they wanted to mark the grave. Perhaps to come back to it later. I don't really know but they could have just buried her deep in the trees with no cement over her and she would have been much harder to find. It is just puzzling to me for some reason.

imo
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[snapdragon]

Also bringing my post over from #3:

You all have been great about following the facts on this case. I was out of town, and missed a lot. But I have a theory on what happened.

I read here that JB was a heroin user. Heroin users will sell their own children for a fix. I think that was what she did, to some degree. She could have chosen to turn her head to abuse of Nevaeh if these sick, SO friends of hers were giving her heroin.

I think Nevaeh was raped/murdered in another location, such as the woods, a motel room, or a vehicle. I think whoever did this murdered her to cover up the sexual assult. Since everyone would be looking for her, the perp(s) had to get rid of the body fast. I think the perp(s) thought that by putting quickcrete on top of the grave site, that it might mask the smells that scent dogs use to find victims. They may have also been worried about wild animals partially unearthing her. This was something that a male could have done alone, but not a female IMO. They would have needed a shovel, a wheelbarrow or large bucket. They probably used the water from the river, and didn't measure. The mix was probably thin, which is why the boy who found it said it flaked when he kicked it. I heard she was found naked with her clothes. I think they were thrown in with her because they are evidence that needed to be covered up as well.

LE needs to ck all home/hardware stores to see if anyone recognizes the SO's as purchasing quickcrete soon after she went missing. Although this is something that someone in the trades would have on hand.

These "mental giants" who commit these crimes always think they will get away with it. I am thinking there will be an arrest very soon here. Too sloppy of a cover up.

I have to say, I have had it with these monsters who terrorize children. I want them executed immediately, but know that won't happen. The Jessica Lunsford case just broke my heart... that sicko burying her alive. Perhaps we need a govt office like the CIA who covertly takes out this sick, sick SO's. Somebody needs to do something because our lawmakers are not protecting these kids!

[snapdragon]

I am bringing my post over from thread #3.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nursebeeme
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...997/0/SPORTS09

Looks like whomever poured this crete wanted to make it look like it fit in with the rocks.Quote

I am just befuddled by where the monster put Nevaeh. All around them the environment is green. Why so close to the bank? Why put a stark white block over the top of the grave knowing that people fished there often? The son immediately knew it was concrete but thought it was just leftover from some highway work being done up the road.

He said his feet was on the thin concrete as he sat on the two rocks there and him moving around is what caused the thin layer to start breaking away. Her body really had to be right underneath that very thin almost non existing concrete if he didn't even have to dig down and was able to see what he thought was her back. (That just tears me up)

So why would the perp place her in an area that was known to be fished often. The men said it wasn't unusual to see someone fishing in that spot.

It still gives me an eerie feeling that whomever is the murderer of this precious child they wanted to mark the grave. Perhaps to come back to it later. I don't really know but they could have just buried her deep in the trees with no cement over her and she would have been much harder to find. It is just puzzling to me for some reason.

imo
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Oceanblueeyes...

I don't think the perp is smart. Probably picked toward the banks cause it was easier to dig. Then, mixed up the quickcrete without measuring.. probably used river water. The mix was probably too thin. Poured it on top of the shallow grave thinking it would solidify into a block. Since it was soo thin, the body would have "floated" up toward the surface as the mix was setting, explaining why her body was right at the top. This seems to me to be a haphazard cover up of a murder. Someone who works with concrete would have been noticed with a large concrete truck at the site. I think it was quickcrete mixed in a panic. If it had been mixed properly, those fishermen would have just chalked it up to old concrete road, like they said. The fact that it flaked, and they saw her back, was the only reason she was found. IMO, someone who works with concrete would know to mix this properly. Unless they were panicked and not thinking straight.

[nursebeeme]

I also think whomever chose the site to bury Neveah knew the site but thought no one else did. I still think the fishing is a possible connection (george and buddy)

[nursebeeme]

presser today at 1030 est (0930 cst, 0730 mt)

http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html
http://www.wtol.com/
http://www.foxtoledo.com/

[Debbie3223]

Is CNN covering this today?

[nursebeeme]

Debbie, Not sure???

[oceanblueeyes]

Oceanblueeyes...

I don't think the perp is smart. Probably picked toward the banks cause it was easier to dig. Then, mixed up the quickcrete without measuring.. probably used river water. The mix was probably too thin. Poured it on top of the shallow grave thinking it would solidify into a block. Since it was soo thin, the body would have "floated" up toward the surface as the mix was setting, explaining why her body was right at the top. This seems to me to be a haphazard cover up of a murder. Someone who works with concrete would have been noticed with a large concrete truck at the site. I think it was quickcrete mixed in a panic. If it had been mixed properly, those fishermen would have just chalked it up to old concrete road, like they said. The fact that it flaked, and they saw her back, was the only reason she was found. IMO, someone who works with concrete would know to mix this properly. Unless they were panicked and not thinking straight.

I really don't know snap. The woods and trees were right there. They could have just moved over into a denser area to bury her imo. It was as if they buried her in plain sight. I think this monster is local so they would know that people came to that spot to fish often.

I don't think people pay all that much attention. The concrete truck wouldn't be at the area but just a few minutes. Often when they deliver a load when they flush their drums out with water they will let it pour in areas to help with erosion. Now I do think this perp used just dry cement but I do understand why the fisherman thought it might be washed out concrete residue from a highway job that had been going on earlier up the road.

On the video I just watched it stated the thin layer of concrete stretched all the way across the body. I do remember the son who spoke said it was about a 6 by 8 but I am not sure that was the size he flecked away to expose her back or the entire size of the poorly made slab over the body.

imo

[SuziQ]

Are anyone's links working yet?

[nomad]

HLN is having the press conference now...

[DeeMarie]

Also bringing my post over from #3:

You all have been great about following the facts on this case. I was out of town, and missed a lot. But I have a theory on what happened.

I read here that JB was a heroin user. Heroin users will sell their own children for a fix. I think that was what she did, to some degree. She could have chosen to turn her head to abuse of Nevaeh if these sick, SO friends of hers were giving her heroin.

I think Nevaeh was raped/murdered in another location, such as the woods, a motel room, or a vehicle. I think whoever did this murdered her to cover up the sexual assult. Since everyone would be looking for her, the perp(s) had to get rid of the body fast. I think the perp(s) thought that by putting quickcrete on top of the grave site, that it might mask the smells that scent dogs use to find victims. They may have also been worried about wild animals partially unearthing her. This was something that a male could have done alone, but not a female IMO. They would have needed a shovel, a wheelbarrow or large bucket. They probably used the water from the river, and didn't measure. The mix was probably thin, which is why the boy who found it said it flaked when he kicked it. I heard she was found naked with her clothes. I think they were thrown in with her because they are evidence that needed to be covered up as well.

LE needs to ck all home/hardware stores to see if anyone recognizes the SO's as purchasing quickcrete soon after she went missing. Although this is something that someone in the trades would have on hand.

These "mental giants" who commit these crimes always think they will get away with it. I am thinking there will be an arrest very soon here. Too sloppy of a cover up.

I have to say, I have had it with these monsters who terrorize children. I want them executed immediately, but know that won't happen. The Jessica Lunsford case just broke my heart... that sicko burying her alive. Perhaps we need a govt office like the CIA who covertly takes out this sick, sick SO's. Somebody needs to do something because our lawmakers are not protecting these kids!

snapdragon I agree with your theory about what JB did to Neveah - I believe that there was on-going abuse-it can be seen in Neveahs eyes in her photos. My question is that when will there be a law in place that when a parent KNOWINGLY has sex offenders around their child that they will be convicted of child endangerment. There needs to be changes in place not only for the sex offenders but for parents who have their children around them. I know it would be a hard law to enforce...but a law needs to be there..especially when the sex offender is not allowed to be around children and a parent knows but allows it anyways! JB needs to be convicted of child endangerment!
My stronger feelings is that she is an accessory to the crime: Definition: An accessory to a crime is any individual who knowingly and voluntarily participates in the commission of a crime. An accessory is not typically present at the scene of the crime, but contributes to the success of the crime before or after the fact.
Nevaeh would be alive today if her mother did not open the door to her home to these sex offenders.

[mistivon]

starting

[momtective]

Is CNN covering this today?

Yes, just saw the one minute warning then they will go live to MI

[Searchfortruth]

Is CNN covering this today?Yes looks like CNN HLN is covering it when it starts

[oceanblueeyes]

Is CNN covering this today?

It is going to be on HLN.

It is on now.

[amandab]

Anyone able to give a rough transcription? I'm at work and unable to view. Damn damn damn...

[SleuthyMama]

Anyone able to give a rough transcription? I'm at work and unable to view. Damn damn damn...

Me too!

[mistivon]

Sad duty, it is sadly suspected it is nevaeh
autopsy to be performed in wayne county this morning
all evidence will be submitted to crime lab for processing
Going back to scene with divers and evidence techs
Area secure, LE only
buried on the riverbank
some type of cement or concrete at the burial site, no further comment
preliminary indicates body has been there "awhile"
COD will come from ME
NO signs of trauma, thank God
asked was she encased in cement, no comment
continue to investigate all tips and leads, no perp yet

[elle1919]

Very short statement given, body is presumed to be Nevaeh, waiting for DNA. Reporters asking questions now. Not going into any details on cement issue or really anything else. Said family is greiving, not known if body was brought by land or by car. Perp is still out in community....in his opinion, a very sick and disturbed person.

[SuziQ]

Well viewing the presser is a bust for me. Clickondetroit never became active. WTOL and FOX are cutting out and echoing.

[elle1919]

Reporter asked if anyone in custody has relations to land or property owner of where body was found, will not comment......shirt recovered......like Nevaeh's

[aprilshowers]

Is it just me ... or is this detective/officer who is speaking, very touched by this, and has been close to tears a few times?

[Dejasade]

so so sad...

Is it confirmed she was sexually assaulted?
i'm new to the story. How many people do they have as suspects?

[elle1919]

body is at morgue.....undergoing autopsy

[elle1919]

so so sad...

Is it confirmed she was sexually assaulted?
i'm new to the story. How many people do they have as suspects?


not commenting on that yet. they will be sending divers in the water to do more recovery. Hoping to develop leads to perp

[mistivon]

wont tell what evidence was at scene
family is grieving
no comment on whether they will be searching anywhere. depends on where leads go
the person is still out there in the community to their knowledge
in his opinion person is sick and disturbed, abduct and murder innocent 5 year old child
no comments on POIs
recovered a shirt that is similar to neveahs
jennifer is cooperating, beyond that no comment
family has not seen body, autopsy now
able to become more focused now on finding the perp, hoping scene will provide leads that will take them to him

[elle1919]

County is 640 sq miles......1 more question

[Dejasade]

This makes me sick...

[elle1919]

my sound just went bye bye

[oceanblueeyes]

Sad duty, it is sadly suspected it is nevaeh
autopsy to be performed in wayne county this morning
all evidence will be submitted to crime lab for processing
Going back to scene with divers and evidence techs
Area secure, LE only
buried on the riverbank
some type of cement or concrete at the burial site, no further comment
preliminary indicates body has been there "awhile"
COD will come from ME
NO signs of trauma, thank God
asked was she encased in cement, no comment
continue to investigate all tips and leads, no perp yet

This case reminds me so much of Sandra Cantu.

They too said no visible trauma when she was found.

If Nevaeh was strangled there may be no visible evidence of that after 11 days. The ME can determine if her hyoid bone was fractured. But we all know that Sandra's trauma wasn't on the outside but internally and I think this will be the case in this one.

imo

[mistivon]

lost my connection :(

[amandab]

able to become more focused now on finding the perp, hoping scene will provide leads that will take them to him

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me.

Did he actually say "him"?

[scandi]

Very short statement given, body is presumed to be Nevaeh, waiting for DNA. Reporters asking questions now. Not going into any details on cement issue or really anything else. Said family is greiving, not known if body was brought by land or by car. Perp is still out in community....in his opinion, a very sick and disturbed person.

Morning Elle, 'Perp is still out in community' Do you think this means they have ruled out both Kennedy and Smith as they are both still in custody, right?

[oceanblueeyes]

wont tell what evidence was at scene
family is grieving
no comment on whether they will be searching anywhere. depends on where leads go
the person is still out there in the community to their knowledge
in his opinion person is sick and disturbed, abduct and murder innocent 5 year old child
no comments on POIs
recovered a shirt that is similar to neveahs
jennifer is cooperating, beyond that no comment
family has not seen body, autopsy now
able to become more focused now on finding the perp, hoping scene will provide leads that will take them to him

So they are not thinking it is GK or Smith?

imo

[mistivon]

did all the streaming just shut down? i lost it on all three sites

[krt]

Notice also he only said "shirt" when a reporter asked about the clothing. To me it sounds like she was naked or naked from the waist down JMOP

[FLjay]

When I was a young girl in Tennessee, there was a man that liked little girls in our neighborhood, They didn't label them as sex offenders as they do today(and even thats not enough) well my daddy found out what this man liked to do in his spare time and started keeping tabs on him. He told anyone that would listen about the one child he knew of that this man molested. Whenever the creep was out in the neighborhood my dad would follow him, well one day I answered the door and lo and behold it was a policewoman that had a warrant to arrest my dad for harassment. I remember I cried when they took my daddy away but he just looked at me and smiled and said don't worry baby I'll be home in just a bit....and he was.....and he never stopped bothering this pig. One guy, keeping tabs on one guy...and willing to go to jail to do it.

Until our country....and others decide what to do about all this people stealing the life away from our children maybe we should just do what daddy did and keep track of the ones around us. Even when the Law tells us we are the ones who are in the wrong.

I'm so glad you brought that story over. What a testimony to your father's love and care for you and others; what a precious legacy!

[oceanblueeyes]

Morning Elle, 'Perp is still out in community' Do you think this means they have ruled out both Kennedy and Smith as they are both still in custody, right?

Sure seems like it to me, Scandi. I don't think LE would alarm the community if they thought they had the perps locked up.

imo

[mistivon]

I honestly can't say for sure he said him, but I was typing as he was talking, so possible.
Apparently not on GK and Smith....although he is saying no comment on their involvement, he was very clear the perp is still "out there"

[mistivon]

yes, shirt only implies the same to me
anyone still getting a feed?

[krt]

Police will often say something vague like that.........because they want any person that may be connected to feel they are in the clear..........There is no harm no foul re the spokesperson saying the perp may still be out there; everyone should be keeping their eyes on their kids ANYWAY!

[mistivon]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I want to know what is being said!

[KaylynnCouture]

Thanks for the presser recaps everyone. Very helpful :)

[elle1919]

Morning Elle, 'Perp is still out in community' Do you think this means they have ruled out both Kennedy and Smith as they are both still in custody, right?


Morning, good pick up on that. He said they are not ruling anyone out, but unclear exactly what he meant by out in the community.

[KR2tonenow]

Just signing in, link to presser?

[lonetraveler]

Morning everyone. I had a very sleepless night as I'm sure most of us did. I couldn't get the photo of Nevaeh with the sad and traumatized look on her face. I had to log off last night after Nancy Grace went off, too much shock and saddness at finding this horrible news out. I'm sure all of you feel the same. I will continue to follow this case until the predator is in jail.

[snapdragon]

I really don't know snap. The woods and trees were right there. They could have just moved over into a denser area to bury her imo. It was as if they buried her in plain sight. I think this monster is local so they would know that people came to that spot to fish often.

I don't think people pay all that much attention. The concrete truck wouldn't be at the area but just a few minutes. Often when they deliver a load when they flush their drums out with water they will let it pour in areas to help with erosion. Now I do think this perp used just dry cement but I do understand why the fisherman thought it might be washed out concrete residue from a highway job that had been going on earlier up the road.

On the video I just watched it stated the thin layer of concrete stretched all the way across the body. I do remember the son who spoke said it was about a 6 by 8 but I am not sure that was the size he flecked away to expose her back or the entire size of the poorly made slab over the body.

imo

With what you say.. yes, it doesn't make sense why they did it at the shore, unless the earth is VERY hard by the wooded area, hard to dig in. That may be why they felt they needed the concrete on top.

I am completely unfamiliar with the area, so I am purely conjecturing. I think a local would know more about whether a truck would arouse suspicion, what the conditions were, what the soil is like.....

[scandi]

Sure seems like it to me, Scandi. I don't think LE would alarm the community if they thought they had the perps locked up.

imo

Yes Ocean, I agree. I wonder if she is up at the FBI morgue in Detroit. We learned that last night. xox

[distracted 1976]

Anyone still getting a feed? Lost mine!

[amandab]

With what you say.. yes, it doesn't make sense why they did it at the shore, unless the earth is VERY hard by the wooded area, hard to dig in. That may be why they felt they needed the concrete on top.

IMO, the disposal manner as well as location feel like a mixture of panic and stupidity.

[elle1919]

Just signing in, link to presser?

My sound went out but I think it was over anyway cause when I lost it he was saying 1 more question. It didn't sound to me like they were confirming anything at all, fact I found interesting was that he only mentioned that a shirt was recovered.:furious:....also just to recap he would not comment on cement issue, but did say body is perceived to be little Nevaeh and undergoing autopsy right this minute.

[KaylynnCouture]

Just signing in, link to presser?

I think the presser is over, but back on pages 1 and 2 of this thread, there are some presser recaps for you.

[BobbieBu]

I was listening at wxyz.com

was called at 3pm to the scene.
at scene today with divers in water and investigators there recovering any evidence
area is secured, can't get in by road, water or air
material on ground like concrete
Thinks the body has been there for awhile
Cause of death relying on examiner
still investigating tips
most investigators have children or grandchildren and this has become personal
no detail of what was found
officer in contact with family
questioning anyone and everyone
Think it's sick with who could kidnap and murder a innocent child
No comment on person of interest
Recovered a shirt resembling hers
Mother is cooperating
In the middle of autopsy now
using all resources to apprehend perpetrator
They are more focused now the body has been found can focus now on who
may or may not be more than 1 person
640 square miles hard to search all in 10 days.

That's all I got. Hope it helps for anyone that couldn't watch. I'm at work too but got lucky boss was in a meeting.!

[badme102]

Just because the Sheriff said that the perp is still running around in the community doesn't mean that it's not Kennedy and/or Smith. LE has to say that because they're probably not absolutely sure.

Let's say they told people that they "think" they have the perp in custody, and people would almost 'relax'....If they were wrong and he was still out there, things would get mighty ugly in the community in a hurry.

[nursebeeme]

Sheriff Crutchfield~

~presser called to provide update covering the last several days

~leads stand at 1000 and they continue to receive tips and leads

~3pm yesterday they were called to the scene of a possible body burried

~investigators arrived and determined it was a possible burial site and the FBI evidence recovery team was called in and processed the scene

~the body of a small child that matched the size, appearance, and sex of Neveah was found. There is reasonable suspicion that this is Neveah. The body has been taken to Wayne County morgue in Detroit where an autopsy will be performed this morning

~All evidence gathered from the scene and autopsy will be taken to the MSP crime lab for processing

~They will be at the scene again today with evidence technicians and divers until all evidence is recovered. The area is secured and is closed by road, water and air to all except for local residents and LE

~The area is described as a rural area along the river raisin. The burial site was on the banks of the river. The body was located by fishermen.

~confirmed that there was a "material"....cement of concrete... on the gravesite

~the gravesite has been there for "awhile" but that is up to the ME to decide

~any suspects? they are investigating all tips and leads

~No physical signs of trauma

~Family is grieving

~the area, to Sheriff's knowledge, had not been checked before

~Sheriff states he thinks the person is still out in the community and is a sick and disturbed person

~Sheriff states that POI is overused term.. will not comment on any of the persons/sos being held and any connections they may have to the area, etc

~a SHIRT similar in nature to the one Neveah was last seen wearing was recovered from the scene.

[KaylynnCouture]

Great recaps! Thank you so much.

[snapdragon]

snapdragon I agree with your theory about what JB did to Neveah - I believe that there was on-going abuse-it can be seen in Neveahs eyes in her photos. My question is that when will there be a law in place that when a parent KNOWINGLY has sex offenders around their child that they will be convicted of child endangerment. There needs to be changes in place not only for the sex offenders but for parents who have their children around them. I know it would be a hard law to enforce...but a law needs to be there..especially when the sex offender is not allowed to be around children and a parent knows but allows it anyways! JB needs to be convicted of child endangerment!
My stronger feelings is that she is an accessory to the crime: Definition: An accessory to a crime is any individual who knowingly and voluntarily participates in the commission of a crime. An accessory is not typically present at the scene of the crime, but contributes to the success of the crime before or after the fact.
Nevaeh would be alive today if her mother did not open the door to her home to these sex offenders.

I agree. If they can jail pregnant women for smoking, drinking and drugging, they should also be able to jail mothers who knowingly expose their children to known SO's. That is child abuse, or at least, child endangerment.

[SleuthyMama]

Thanks to all who provided presser recaps. It's much appreciated.

[DeeMarie]

I am confused..
Isn't being encased in cement physical trauma? How can LE say there is no physical signs of trauma? Just wondering..

[krt]

I took this from MT; thought you guys would want to know:

If he is saying "perp" is still on the loose, could still be Easter then, because the other two scumbuckets are locked up...I just checked VINE...

...except, this is curious...they have both been "transferred" as of this morning...don't know where...

[nursebeeme]

I think there may be more info to come... as at the start of the presser the sheriff said that any questions to the fbi, msp, had to be OFF CAMERA... and that is why the presser streaming abruptly stopped after the last question. In an hour or so, after the mad dash for the scoop, I bet more details will be forthcoming from the off camera portion of this presser....

[elle1919]

I took this from MT; thought you guys would want to know:

If he is saying "perp" is still on the loose, could still be Easter then, because the other two scumbuckets are locked up...I just checked VINE...

...except, this is curious...they have both been "transferred" as of this morning...don't know where...

Sorry.....do you mean that GK was transferred?

[KaylynnCouture]

I am confused..
Isn't being encased in cement physical trauma? How can LE say there is no physical signs of trauma? Just wondering..

That's what I was thinking as well, but LE won't confirm that she was encased in cement.. the reports of that are coming from the witnesses who found the body, and the media.

[elle1919]

I think there may be more info to come... as at the start of the presser the sheriff said that any questions to the fbi, msp, had to be OFF CAMERA... and that is why the presser streaming abruptly stopped after the last question. In an hour or so, after the mad dash for the scoop, I bet more details will be forthcoming from the off camera portion of this presser....


Thanks nurse.....I missed that. Wonder why the FBI and such had to be off camera? Can anyone speculate a reason?

[snapdragon]

I am confused..
Isn't being encased in cement physical trauma? How can LE say there is no physical signs of trauma? Just wondering..

I think LE means physical trauma while the child was alive, potentially leading to injury or death. I think (hope) she was encased in the concrete after death.

[nursebeeme]

The Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office, which received the body overnight, expects to complete an autopsy by noon today, a spokesman said this morning. http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605028/1007/NEWS/+Reasonable+suspicion++body+is+Nevaeh++sheriff+say s

[krt]

Sorry.....do you mean that GK was transferred?

yes he is being transferred; I double-checked on VINE. Someone on MT also said they think he and the other POI RSO are being transferred to Jackson, MI. Not sure why.....but that's what someone stated on MT. (MT is Monroe Talks).

HOWEVER, another poster on MT said according to OTIS; they are both still in Monroe Co. Jail

[cleo612]

As soon as people know the approximate location of little Nevaeh's body being found, they will start thinking back a couple of weeks. Hopefully, law enforcement will then start receiving tips from people who may have seen a vehicle or person(s), or anything suspicious in that area that will help to lead them to the perpetrators.

[scandi]

Good Morning, Are we going to have a sticky thread for links?

Last night there was a video link that Nomoresorrow posted where the reporter stated some interesting things:

* GK knew the area where the body was discovered like the back of his hand
* GK worked with concrete

Hate to lose that video.

Also, there was a rumor GK had relatives living on Custer Rd or close to the area where the body was found. Are there any locals here who might know the answer to that possibility? xox

[snapdragon]

I just gotta say, that although she had a drug problem, wasn't the most upstanding citizen, Ellie Nesler is my hero. She shot the man who molested her son and four other boys 4 times in the head in a Sonora, CA courtroom.

I am not advocating violence of any sort, but I am surprised that vigilantism does not occur more, especially with our inept justice system.

[nursebeeme]

Sheriff Crutchfield~

~presser called to provide update covering the last several days

~leads stand at 1000 and they continue to receive tips and leads

~3pm yesterday they were called to the scene of a possible body burried

~investigators arrived and determined it was a possible burial site and the FBI evidence recovery team was called in and processed the scene

~the body of a small child that matched the size, appearance, and sex of Neveah was found. There is reasonable suspicion that this is Neveah. The body has been taken to Wayne County morgue in Detroit where an autopsy will be performed this morning

~All evidence gathered from the scene and autopsy will be taken to the MSP crime lab for processing

~They will be at the scene again today with evidence technicians and divers until all evidence is recovered. The area is secured and is closed by road, water and air to all except for local residents and LE

~The area is described as a rural area along the river raisin. The burial site was on the banks of the river. The body was located by fishermen.

~confirmed that there was a "material"....cement of concrete... on the gravesite

~the gravesite has been there for "awhile" but that is up to the ME to decide

~any suspects? they are investigating all tips and leads

~No physical signs of trauma

~Family is grieving

~the area, to Sheriff's knowledge, had not been checked before

~Sheriff states he thinks the person is still out in the community and is a sick and disturbed person

~Sheriff states that POI is overused term.. will not comment on any of the persons/sos being held and any connections they may have to the area, etc

~a SHIRT similar in nature to the one Neveah was last seen wearing was recovered from the scene.
bumping for those who missed it and are just joining the thread

[scandi]

I think LE means physical trauma while the child was alive, potentially leading to injury or death. I think (hope) she was encased in the concrete after death.

She must have been lying face down, as the man who found her said he saw what appeared to be a part of a small back.

[Forensic fan]

When I was a young girl in Tennessee, there was a man that liked little girls in our neighborhood.

Until our country....and others decide what to do about all this people stealing the life away from our children maybe we should just do what daddy did and keep track of the ones around us. Even when the Law tells us we are the ones who are in the wrong.

Snipped...
What a wonderful story and what a wonderful daddy! Thanks for sharing and yes it is a very good idea.

[Debbie3223]

Does anyone know the occurance of abuse to disabled children??
I heard like 92 %: confused:

Im just sick what could happen to my punkin..

nowhere but school and her one on one worker for her..
dont have a bf/hubby.. to much problem

[nursebeeme]

http://www.wxyz.com/default.aspx
video box to the right has presser video

Also, Scandi, that video that you were talking about is there as well. ((does anyone know how to embed a video in a post?))

[laniefi]

Hello fellow WSers - I am local to Monroe, MI and I drive by this area every day. If you need anything from me please let me know. The roads are still blocked off today near the river and obviously I would not go there and in any way make LE's job more difficult - but when the time comes I can be a resource on the ground for us.

Poor baby - rest in peace...

[Spyglass]

I just gotta say, that although she had a drug problem, wasn't the most upstanding citizen, Ellie Nesler is my hero. She shot the man who molested her son and four other boys 4 times in the head in a Sonora, CA courtroom.

I am not advocating violence of any sort, but I am surprised that vigilantism does not occur more, especially with our inept justice system.


Maybe GK and other SO were moved to another jail for their own protection.

[KaylynnCouture]

Kennedy: "I didn't kill her"- http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19657784/detail.html

From the article-

"I ain't got nothing to run from," he said. "I went back to the motel room to clear my name."

"I didn't take her and I definitely didn't kill her," he said.

"I have no clue. I wish that I did have some clue. I am hoping that she ain't dead. I still got my fingers crossed that they are going to find her alive."

He told the paper that he met Nevaeh's mother two years ago at the parole office. He said he formed a friendship with her out of loneliness.

"I am 39 years old. I don't want to grow old by myself. I just want a companion and to be happy. If they got a kid, I don't have a problem with that and helping them raise kids. I ain't preying on women to be with their kids," he said.

"I was a father figure to that little girl," he said. "Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock. I have no regrets about knowing Nevaeh, her mother, or grandmother. I care about them a lot."

[Brassband]

The Toledo Blade is reporting: "Sherry Buchanan, Nevaeh’s grandmother who had custody of the little girl, said she was told by authorities that until a DNA match was finalized, they couldn’t be sure it was Nevaeh’s body that was discovered."
I must have missed this. I didn't realize that the mother didn't have custody. WTH?? Why was the mother who didn't have custody allowed to bring SO's around the child? Maybe the grandmother needs looking into as well.

[MIMOMMY]

NOT defending the tattoo story - but a thought occurred to me as to how there might POSSIBLY be blood like that from a tattoo ---and that would be if they had someone obviously unprofessional come TO the hotel room - and he was wiping up the blood as he worked with the shirt -- AGAIN TOTALLY unprofessional but the ONLY way there should be blood like that after a tattoo -- I personally have several and have several friends in the industry --- you just DONT bleed like that. AND --- when you leave --- it SHOULD be covered with a "saran wrap like material and some form of tattoo "goo" Just my info on the subject.........

[laniefi]

I am bringing my post over from thread #3.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nursebeeme
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...997/0/SPORTS09

Looks like whomever poured this crete wanted to make it look like it fit in with the rocks.Quote

I am just befuddled by where the monster put Nevaeh. All around them the environment is green. Why so close to the bank? Why put a stark white block over the top of the grave knowing that people fished there often? The son immediately knew it was concrete but thought it was just leftover from some highway work being done up the road.

He said his feet was on the thin concrete as he sat on the two rocks there and him moving around is what caused the thin layer to start breaking away. Her body really had to be right underneath that very thin almost non existing concrete if he didn't even have to dig down and was able to see what he thought was her back. (That just tears me up)

So why would the perp place her in an area that was known to be fished often. The men said it wasn't unusual to see someone fishing in that spot.

It still gives me an eerie feeling that whomever is the murderer of this precious child they wanted to mark the grave. Perhaps to come back to it later. I don't really know but they could have just buried her deep in the trees with no cement over her and she would have been much harder to find. It is just puzzling to me for some reason.

imo
__________________

Hello - I live near this area & drive past it every day. The fishing spot is right off the road - easy access would be my guess. This area is FILLED with deer and every morning I drive by at least 5-10 dead on the side of the road - so the smell may not have immediately alarmed them.

[SuziQ]

Does anyone know the occurance of abuse to disabled children??
I heard like 92 %: confused:

Im just sick what could happen to my punkin..

nowhere but school and her one on one worker for her..
dont have a bf/hubby.. to much problem

Was Neveah disabled?

[laniefi]

The Toledo Blade is reporting: "Sherry Buchanan, Nevaeh’s grandmother who had custody of the little girl, said she was told by authorities that until a DNA match was finalized, they couldn’t be sure it was Nevaeh’s body that was discovered."
I must have missed this. I didn't realize that the mother didn't have custody. WTH?? Why was the mother who didn't have custody allowed to bring SO's around the child? Maybe the grandmother needs looking into as well.

Hello - I believe Nevaeh's GM had custody while her mom was in jail for breaking into houses in Monroe...

[MIMOMMY]

The Toledo Blade is reporting: "Sherry Buchanan, Nevaeh’s grandmother who had custody of the little girl, said she was told by authorities that until a DNA match was finalized, they couldn’t be sure it was Nevaeh’s body that was discovered."
I must have missed this. I didn't realize that the mother didn't have custody. WTH?? Why was the mother who didn't have custody allowed to bring SO's around the child? Maybe the grandmother needs looking into as well.



The grandmother received custody of Naveah when the mother was incarcerated -- unfortunately theres was nothing that said she couldnt move INTO the home with the grandmother and child after she was released.....

[Peliman]

Kennedy: "I didn't kill her"- http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19657784/detail.html

From the article-

"I ain't got nothing to run from," he said. "I went back to the motel room to clear my name."

"I didn't take her and I definitely didn't kill her," he said.

"I have no clue. I wish that I did have some clue. I am hoping that she ain't dead. I still got my fingers crossed that they are going to find her alive."

He told the paper that he met Nevaeh's mother two years ago at the parole office. He said he formed a friendship with her out of loneliness.

"I am 39 years old. I don't want to grow old by myself. I just want a companion and to be happy. If they got a kid, I don't have a problem with that and helping them raise kids. I ain't preying on women to be with their kids," he said.

"I was a father figure to that little girl," he said. "Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock. I have no regrets about knowing Nevaeh, her mother, or grandmother. I care about them a lot."

I think he violated parole as being around the children was probably a violation. I'm thinking his parole got revoked because he was. He may have been transferred to the big house prison over it. He's high on my list though.

[Searchfortruth]

This site does show George K.'s status as transferred...

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=23005&agency=58&id=83872&searchType=offender

[Patty G]

Press Conference

YouTube - Press Conference 6/5/09 Nevaeh Buchanan (1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZbyJ6ImivE)
YouTube - Press Conference 6/5/09 Nevaeh Buchanan (2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mflADMY1fk)

[SuziQ]

Boy's mother: He didn't see Nevaeh taken

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

[mistivon]

you know.....i dont think they ever verified WHOSE shorts were bloody in K's motel room, did they?
Nevaeh, apparently, and according to statement by omission, didn't have hers.
Coincidence?

[mistivon]

above article

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“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said the boy’s mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”

The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.

The next thing Kuhn heard, Nevaeh was missing. Devastated, Kuhn shudders to think what else could have been.

OK, well THAT'S new. So maybe Jennifer DID take Nevaeh somewhere.

[nursebeeme]

MONROE — The man who called authorities after finding a body on the banks of the River Raisin said he and his father unknowingly sat for hours fishing from atop a concrete block not knowing it contained a body.

Guy Binkley, 51, told The Blade Friday morning that the body — believed to be that of 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchannan — was encased in some sort of concrete ready mix just feet from the river near Dixon Road in Raisinville Township.

Mr. Binkley said he and his 72-year-old father, who was visiting from out of state, went to the river to fish about 9:30 a.m. Thursday. They were sitting on the rocks and on a piece of concrete and Mr. Binkley said he occassionally kicked his foot at it.

He said they noticed a foul odor but thought it was decaying fish.

The father and son were at the river for about two hours before Mr. Binkley said he again kicked his foot into the concrete and a piece flipped off of it. Then he saw flies and discovered human skin.

They immediately called 911 and police authorities and said they waited at the scene for about two hours until an officer arrived.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090605/NEWS02/906059965

[nursebeeme]

“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said the boy’s mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”

snipped from your link, Q.. THE KMART CONNECTION????

[SuziQ]

Click the audio player below to listen to an interview from the Deminski & Doyle show on 94.7 WCSX Friday morning. They talked with Lowell Kirk, the father of Guy Bickley, who was fishing with him when they found the body of a young girl along the banks of the River Raisin on Thursday.

ETA: the player is at the bottom of the page at the below link:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/Sheriffs_to_Hold_Friday_Morni

[mgardner]

She must have been lying face down, as the man who found her said he saw what appeared to be a part of a small back.

Another aha moment - she's on her tummy, face down, as the perp knows her. I bet he didn't want to look at her as he was pouring cement all over her body. Putting her in cement, is similar to burying her vs. leaving her out in the elements.

I put my bet on the SO "daddy figure".

Best,

Mel

[impatientredhead]

I took this from MT; thought you guys would want to know:

If he is saying "perp" is still on the loose, could still be Easter then, because the other two scumbuckets are locked up...I just checked VINE...

...except, this is curious...they have both been "transferred" as of this morning...don't know where...

They are telling the media what LE wants them to believe. This LE department has not been shy about saying the press makes their jobs more difficult. I believe they know who did it, GK, and are now trying to tie mom into it as an active participant. She is all about defending GK so as long as she thinks they are looking at other people she will keep talking, talking until she gets herself in so deep she can't get out.

I *think* she knew who had Neveah. I think she sent her off with him, but expected her to come back.

[mistivon]

kennedy and smith showing transferred.
MT is speculating they are working on a plea?

[Dejasade]

kennedy and smith showing transferred.
MT is speculating they are working on a plea?


so are they both suspected in being involved??

[scandi]

Hello - I live near this area & drive past it every day. The fishing spot is right off the road - easy access would be my guess. This area is FILLED with deer and every morning I drive by at least 5-10 dead on the side of the road - so the smell may not have immediately alarmed them.

Hi Laniefi, It's nice to meet you. Kennedy might not be involved. We don't know yet. But there are several circumstantial points coming out about him now that raise hairs. Like they say, coincidences and murder always raise red flags. IMO

That is why I thought maybe this river bank was part of his comfort zone, if he had relatives in the close area and had spent a lot of time fishing in that spot.

It is so bizarre she was buried right where a fisherman would stand like Ocean said. It could be the crime scene where he was in his own little world.

Maybe there is another man who is also very familiar with that area who has fished allot there.

[mistivon]

RUMOR from MT


Apparently the FBI have a good lead on a suspect. And they have been tracking credit card receipts on him.

The man (well dressed wearing a Fedora) and Neveah were seen in a gas station in Toledo on Alexis road last Sunday around 1:45 pm.

Five FBI agents were in the store confirming a credit card receipt and making copies of the video yesterday afternoon.

I only know this because my mother happens to work at that store. She just told me what her boss told her happened yesterday.

I'm not sure how much of that info is credible, just passing along what I was told from my mother, who was told from her boss.

[mistivon]

wait, that doesn't make sense, cause that other family said nevaeh was at their house until 330, right?

[nursebeeme]

****MT RUMOR WARNING****

I took this from MT
Apparently the FBI have a good lead on a suspect. And they have been tracking credit card receipts on him.

The man (well dressed wearing a Fedora) and Neveah were seen in a gas station in Toledo on Alexis road last Sunday around 1:45 pm.

Five FBI agents were in the store confirming a credit card receipt and making copies of the video yesterday afternoon.

I only know this because my mother happens to work at that store. She just told me what her boss told her happened yesterday.

I'm not sure how much of that info is credible, just passing along what I was told from my mother, who was told from her boss

[nursebeeme]

the rumor I posted above... I think it most likely was a tip called in... I am not sure it was a valid tip...

Sheesh I hate this case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want this perp caught yesterday!!!!!!!!!!

[Neptunian]

Just watched the presser - did anybody note that the Sheriff slipped and said "COLLUSION" rather than conclusion?

"...bring this to a successful collusion - conclusion" (at abt. 9:05 min into the presser..) This was soon after answering a question about Nevaeh's mother's cooperation and about if she knows anything more about this.

If this has been already noted, I apologize. Can't catch up with you all here!

[Amster]

Kennedy: "I didn't kill her"- http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19657784/detail.html

From the article-

"I ain't got nothing to run from," he said. "I went back to the motel room to clear my name."

"I didn't take her and I definitely didn't kill her," he said.

"I have no clue. I wish that I did have some clue. I am hoping that she ain't dead. I still got my fingers crossed that they are going to find her alive."

He told the paper that he met Nevaeh's mother two years ago at the parole office. He said he formed a friendship with her out of loneliness.

"I am 39 years old. I don't want to grow old by myself. I just want a companion and to be happy. If they got a kid, I don't have a problem with that and helping them raise kids. I ain't preying on women to be with their kids," he said.

"I was a father figure to that little girl," he said. "Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock. I have no regrets about knowing Nevaeh, her mother, or grandmother. I care about them a lot."

"Bury myself under a rock...."......:mad:

[Kat]

My Husband just called and because he was trying to puzzle out the concrete aspect of this case and the choice of grave site.

He said he thought~ This might be the perps first murder. He's probably a SO maybe even an RSO but that this might have been the first murder in the escalation of this perp's patholgy.

Sorry to post his thought like this, but he made a good point and I wanted to bring it here for food for thought. He doesn't like communicating on the internet.

[fortytwo]

IMO, the disposal manner as well as location feel like a mixture of panic and stupidity.
Yes. These are my exact thoughts.

It's always a mistake to try to analyze a deviant mind, but I can't think of any other explanation.

I hope that this will prove to be the perp's downfall.

[oceanblueeyes]

I am confused..
Isn't being encased in cement physical trauma? How can LE say there is no physical signs of trauma? Just wondering..

I think the word "encased" is the wrong wordage.

I believe she was buried below the thin cement mixture in a shallow grave and the flimsy thin cement was poured on top of the ground above her.

The dirt would have settled some now. Anytime earth is disturbed it has air pockets and will sink in some. The fisherman said it was slightly rounded on top. When she was placed there the mound was probably slightly higher.

It would not cause trauma to the body by placing the mixture on top of the ground.

imo

[Kat]

That's the point I was trying to make in my previous post too. Panic, stupidity, and thinking that they had a well thought out plan, an arrogance in thinking that no one would see the concrete and wonder what's up with that. It's not only a reflection of an impulsive and disorganized murderer but possibly also of an inexperienced murderer. Possibly. JMHO

[Kat]

Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture
Kennedy: "I didn't kill her"- http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19657784/detail.html

From the article-

"I ain't got nothing to run from," he said. "I went back to the motel room to clear my name."

"I didn't take her and I definitely didn't kill her," he said.

"I have no clue. I wish that I did have some clue. I am hoping that she ain't dead. I still got my fingers crossed that they are going to find her alive."

He told the paper that he met Nevaeh's mother two years ago at the parole office. He said he formed a friendship with her out of loneliness.

"I am 39 years old. I don't want to grow old by myself. I just want a companion and to be happy. If they got a kid, I don't have a problem with that and helping them raise kids. I ain't preying on women to be with their kids," he said.

"I was a father figure to that little girl," he said. "Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock. I have no regrets about knowing Nevaeh, her mother, or grandmother. I care about them a lot."

Justification ~ Justification~ Rationalization :puke: :rolleye:

[lurkeyloo]

Can a local tell me exactly where her body was found?

[nursebeeme]

"We no more than got down to the bottom of the place and I noticed two rocks off to the side and some concrete on the ground. I figured maybe somebody was trying to fill in a hole or a low spot there," Mr. Bickley said.
"I was literally sitting on the rocks to the south of it and my feet were actually right on the concrete. In doing so, I was cracking it up with my feet right in the middle where there was a high spot."
After a time, the two fishermen became aware of a foul odor and thought it was a dead fish somewhere upstream.
"About an hour later or more — we were there for a few hours — and these blowflies or maggot flies started coming around. It was warming up and it started to smell more. Next thing, I look and these flies are all over my arms."
He also noticed that he had progressively cracked the concrete from stepping on it, getting up and down, and just moving his feet while fishing.
"I took my foot and pushed on the concrete and it went down and came right back up when I pressed on it," he said. "I took the toe of my workboot and pushed some of the concrete aside and there was skin. It was maybe 8-by-8 or 6-by-6 (inches) and I just knew it was skin. It wasn’t a dog or a cat, it was human skin.
http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090605/NEWS01/706059984

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Laniefi, It's nice to meet you. Kennedy might not be involved. We don't know yet. But there are several circumstantial points coming out about him now that raise hairs. Like they say, coincidences and murder always raise red flags. IMO

That is why I thought maybe this river bank was part of his comfort zone, if he had relatives in the close area and had spent a lot of time fishing in that spot.

It is so bizarre she was buried right where a fisherman would stand like Ocean said. It could be the crime scene where he was in his own little world.

Maybe there is another man who is also very familiar with that area who has fished allot there.

Yes, I guess he could have felt this was his comfort zone but I don't know how he thought he was going to keep this hidden knowing this is a well known place to fish and is fished often.

I also would like to know did he try to make the cement mixture more like a makeshift slab or did he just put the cement scattered about out in no particular form. But the man keeps describing it as a BLOCK so it seems they did take enough time to finish it into a block form which imo would bring more attention to it not away from it.:waitasec: That is the part that is puzzling.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Can a local tell me exactly where her body was found?

I sure would like to know that too.

Last night and today I have heard 2 miles, 7 miles, 9 miles and 12 miles.

imo

[nursebeeme]

"Every inch of soil needs to be sifted," said Special Agent Andrew Arena. "It's tedious and, honestly, a little dangerous for our searchers along the steep riverbank."


Two fishermen discovered the body under a layer of what appeared to be concrete that had been poured over a shallow grave, Arena said.

Arena said the concrete mix poured atop the body might have been mixed with river water. The grave was inches from the river, he said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605028/1007/River+combed+for+clues+in+Nevaeh+case

[nursebeeme]

(((aside))) Kat, I agree with your hubby! This person does not seem savvy in his choice of burial and I agree that he is most likely a novice.

[mistivon]

Yes but "bury myself under a rock" is what stands out.
He may have hung himself with that one.

[nursebeeme]

"Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock

nice quote from George

[KaylynnCouture]

Leave your condolences for Nevaehs family here- http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=10483298

Also includes video of the community in mourning. :(

[KaylynnCouture]

I sure would like to know that too.

Last night and today I have heard 2 miles, 7 miles, 9 miles and 12 miles.

imo

Nancy Grace had a map up last night that said 3 miles.

[KaylynnCouture]

"Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock

nice quote from George

How special George. :rolleyes:

[scandi]

I think the word "encased" is the wrong wordage.

I believe she was buried below the thin cement mixture in a shallow grave and the flimsy thin cement was poured on top of the ground above her.

The dirt would have settled some now. Anytime earth is disturbed it has air pockets and will sink in some. The fisherman said it was slightly rounded on top. When she was placed there the mound was probably slightly higher.

It would not cause trauma to the body by placing the mixture on top of the ground.

imo


Adding to that Ocean, She was found 11 days after death we think if she died on Sunday.

That is about when the gasses that are built up in the body start escaping and the next phase of decomp starts, which is a drying out stage as I remember. This concurs with the strong odor noticed by the fishermen and how the rock seemed to give way under his feet, making him realize it wasn't ordinary land.

The retention of the gasses in a closed in area could have caused the center of the area to raise up a bit, like a mound. And the release of gasses would have a deflating effect, causing cracks to appear.

IMO

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes but "bury myself under a rock" is what stands out.
He may have hung himself with that one.

I think he is just a sick minded sorry POS but I really don't think the Sheriff would make this statement to his community if he was involved.

~Sheriff states he thinks the person is still out in the community and is a sick and disturbed person

[Recovering-Lurker]

Just hearing this sad news this morning. It is the outcome I expected but prayed against. I am so glad that she was at least found. R.I.P. Naveah. Now you are in Heaven.

[Kat]

"We no more than got down to the bottom of the place and I noticed two rocks off to the side and some concrete on the ground. I figured maybe somebody was trying to fill in a hole or a low spot there," Mr. Bickley said.
"I was literally sitting on the rocks to the south of it and my feet were actually right on the concrete. In doing so, I was cracking it up with my feet right in the middle where there was a high spot."
After a time, the two fishermen became aware of a foul odor and thought it was a dead fish somewhere upstream.
"About an hour later or more — we were there for a few hours — and these blowflies or maggot flies started coming around. It was warming up and it started to smell more. Next thing, I look and these flies are all over my arms."
He also noticed that he had progressively cracked the concrete from stepping on it, getting up and down, and just moving his feet while fishing.
"I took my foot and pushed on the concrete and it went down and came right back up when I pressed on it," he said. "I took the toe of my workboot and pushed some of the concrete aside and there was skin. It was maybe 8-by-8 or 6-by-6 (inches) and I just knew it was skin. It wasn’t a dog or a cat, it was human skin.

God bless his heart. I'm so sorry for him.

[oceanblueeyes]

Adding to that Ocean, She was found 11 days after death we think if she died on Sunday.

That is about when the gasses that are built up in the body start escaping and the next phase of decomp starts, which is a drying out stage as I remember. This concurs with the strong odor noticed by the fishermen and how the rock seemed to give way under his feet, making him realize it wasn't ordinary land.

The retention of the gasses in a closed in area could have caused the center of the area to raise up a bit, like a mound. And the release of gasses would have a deflating effect, causing cracks to appear.

IMO

I am hoping that even though the cement was thin it may have delayed the bugs getting to her body some. I hope she is in much better shape than expected where evidence can be gleaned from the examination of her body.

Yes, you are right. I think the cement was thin and brittle anyway and would have broken up just by walking on it or kept deteriorating because of the environment.

imo

[SleuthyMama]

Yes, I guess he could have felt this was his comfort zone but I don't know how he thought he was going to keep this hidden knowing this is a well known place to fish and is fished often.

I also would like to know did he try to make the cement mixture more like a makeshift slab or did he just put the cement scattered about out in no particular form. But the man keeps describing it as a BLOCK so it seems they did take enough time to finish it into a block form which imo would bring more attention to it not away from it.:waitasec: That is the part that is puzzling.
imo

BBM

Maybe as stupid as the perp(s) may be they figured covering the body w/ a concrete slab/block was better than leaving the shallow grave with disturbed dirt which might have caught people's attention more than the concrete?

I'm just trying to work it out in my head...

[A_Closer_Look]

God bless his heart. I'm so sorry for him.

Amen :(
That'll stay with him forever

[A_Closer_Look]

BBM

Maybe as stupid as the perp(s) may be they figured covering the body w/ a concrete slab/block was better than leaving the shallow grave with disturbed dirt which might have caught people's attention more than the concrete?

I'm just trying to work it out in my head...

Or possible trying to avoid animals (wolves, vultures, etc...) digging her up.

[KR2tonenow]

"Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock

nice quote from George

Insert foot Daddy George!

[momtective]

Autopsy was suppose to be completed by noon EST. Any word yet?

[scandi]

God bless his heart. I'm so sorry for him.


Me too Kat. It is hard to imagine what these two men went thru. I think of those flies all over his arm and the thought of it makes me sick.

And to think they then waited for 2 hours for LE to arrive. That blows my mind as it was only a 1/2 hour drive from Monroe from what I read. You would think they would have been racing to that scene with horns and lights!

Do you think they will get the reward?

[lurkeyloo]

I'm trying to map the location of where they found Nevaeh in relation to Some possible GK relatives but I can't find a specific location. One article said Dixon Rd. - I can't find a dixon rd in MI on Google maps.

[nursebeeme]

Crutchfield said the suspect -- he didn't rule out more than one person -- had picked the Raisinville Township site. "They knew where they were taking her. They intentionally went there."
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050439/Autopsy-to-be-completed-today-on-body-believed-to-be-Nevaeh

[wandering]

Here's the latest from the Freep:

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605028/River+combed+for+clues+in+Nevaeh+case

Two fishermen discovered the body under a layer of what appeared to be concrete that had been poured over a shallow grave, Arena said.

The girl had been buried there "for quite a while," Crutchfield said.

Arena said the concrete mix poured atop the body might have been mixed with river water. The grave was inches from the river, he said.

[oceanblueeyes]

I have no doubt that LE has retrieved some of the living blow flies found at the shallow grave. It will give them a very good estimate as to how long Nevaeh has been there. Personally I think she has been there the same day she went missing.

So much can be learned.

imo

[KaylynnCouture]

Complete video interview with the man who found Nevaeh's body: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19668233/index.html

[scandi]

I'm trying to map the location of where they found Nevaeh in relation to Some possible GK relatives but I can't find a specific location. One article said Dixon Rd. - I can't find a dixon rd in MI on Google maps.


Hi Lurkeyloo, There is a map and a photo from Google of the site within the last 5 -6 pages of the last thread. I'll try and bring a link to that page over. My c & p doesn't always work.

[Cherry Baby]

Or possible trying to avoid animals (wolves, vultures, etc...) digging her up.

Yes - I'm thinking that whoever did this didn't want her to be found, but was sloppy or inexperienced with the materials he/she/it used to try and hide this poor baby.

Bless those fishermen a thousand times. I'd have rather (with all of you) that she been found alive and safe, but thankfully she's been found early enough that some evidence may exist and put away the *insert expletive here* thad did this evil deed.

Funny when you think of it, that fishermen found her. I'm not particularly traditionally religious minded but it was fishermen that Christ found to help him spread His word. Perhaps these fishermen were guided also, without their knowing it.

[wandering]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050439/Autopsy-to-be-completed-today-on-body-believed-to-be-Nevaeh

Thanks for the link. They don't think the man in custody is the perp.

Crutchfield would not comment on any people of interest already named and in custody, though said he believed the perpetrator was still on the loose.
"That person to our knowledge is still out there in our community," Crutchfield said.

[momtective]

"Because I am a sex offender it doesn't mean I have to bury myself under a rock

nice quote from George

Yes, that is a rather strange choice of words. Of all the things he could have said, Why that metaphor?

[Kat]

I wanted to bring this forward from thread #3. We have 55 members here this morning and 52 guests on this thread.

Hopefully someone has the time and the skill to map this out for us, if so thank you in advance!

Is anyone good with maps and has some extra time? If so, is this enough enough to google map out the location of the discovery?

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090...Monroe-girl--5


Quote:
...Earlier, police cordoned off an area near the River Raisin around Dixon Road in the area of Ida-Maybee and Neiman roads. By 7 p.m., at least four people in white Hazmat suits were walking along the south bank of the River Raisin in an area just east of railroad tracks near Yensch Road...

TIA for anyone up to the challange.


From user E-U-R ---try this no clue if it will work
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...38f911473f7663

[wandering]

I have no doubt that LE has retrieved some of the living blow flies found at the shallow grave. It will give them a very good estimate as to how long Nevaeh has been there. Personally I think she has been there the same day she went missing.

So much can be learned.

imo
Yes. Imo, it was planned in advance.

[Kat]

Me too Kat. It is hard to imagine what these two men went thru. I think of those flies all over his arm and the thought of it makes me sick.

And to think they then waited for 2 hours for LE to arrive. That blows my mind as it was only a 1/2 hour drive from Monroe from what I read. You would think they would have been racing to that scene with horns and lights!

Do you think they will get the reward?

I hope they do and hope they accept it. They could use it like the man who was awarded in the Cantu case and help to provide the teenage boy with a college education in Nevaeh's name. I am comforted by that thought.

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050439/Autopsy-to-be-completed-today-on-body-believed-to-be-Nevaeh

I wonder if they are going to widen their search for the suspect and see if it is someone that lives around the River Raisin area?

Have they ever found the green van?

imo

[wandering]

Yes - I'm thinking that whoever did this didn't want her to be found, but was sloppy or inexperienced with the materials he/she/it used to try and hide this poor baby.

Bless those fishermen a thousand times. I'd have rather (with all of you) that she been found alive and safe, but thankfully she's been found early enough that some evidence may exist and put away the *insert expletive here* thad did this evil deed.

Funny when you think of it, that fishermen found her. I'm not particularly traditionally religious minded but it was fishermen that Christ found to help him spread His word. Perhaps these fishermen were guided also, without their knowing it.

Actually, fishing is very popular in Michigan. I would say that area was easily accessible; close to the water, and deep close to shore, a good fish run. I think whomever it was knew that river, and had been fishing there in the past.

[elle1919]

Complete video interview with the man who found Nevaeh's body: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19668233/index.html

bumpity

[wandering]

Complete video interview with the man who found Nevaeh's body: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19668233/index.html
Thanks for the link.


Poor man. I'll bet he will never go fishing again.

[wandering]

Me too Kat. It is hard to imagine what these two men went thru. I think of those flies all over his arm and the thought of it makes me sick.

And to think they then waited for 2 hours for LE to arrive. That blows my mind as it was only a 1/2 hour drive from Monroe from what I read. You would think they would have been racing to that scene with horns and lights!

Do you think they will get the reward?


And so it goes in Michigan. Anyone remember the popsicle guy? The police went to the scene, spent 45 minutes looking, and left. They didn't follow up on another search. Meanwhile, people were doing sports in that building, and everyone there was aware of where the body was. They continued with their sports. The cops could have just asked one of them where the body was. Lazy, useless.

[elle1919]

After watching the video I realize that the Lord brought just the right person to little Nevaeh. I believe with all my heart.....and i know that many don't believe in God....but, He knows everything, He will bring everything into the light when he deems right. This gives me hope for every missing child....

I don't know how this man can speak right now.....but he seems very lucid and quite frankly I understand why the Lord brought him to her. If you haven't watched the video please do....he breaks down towards the end and it is very touching.

[SeriouslySearching]

Me too Kat. It is hard to imagine what these two men went thru. I think of those flies all over his arm and the thought of it makes me sick.

And to think they then waited for 2 hours for LE to arrive. That blows my mind as it was only a 1/2 hour drive from Monroe from what I read. You would think they would have been racing to that scene with horns and lights!

Do you think they will get the reward?I don't suppose LE gave a reason why it took them 2 hours to arrive, did they? It ticks me off this wasn't a priority call.

The report from the woman upstairs sheds new light on things if JB was to take Nevaeh to the store. Is there a link?

[BobbieBu]

Me too Kat. It is hard to imagine what these two men went thru. I think of those flies all over his arm and the thought of it makes me sick.

And to think they then waited for 2 hours for LE to arrive. That blows my mind as it was only a 1/2 hour drive from Monroe from what I read. You would think they would have been racing to that scene with horns and lights!

Do you think they will get the reward?

Where did you read that it was 2 hours for LE to arrive?
If on here I believe it's a mistake.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html Half way thru the article it states At first they said they didn't think much about it. After about 2 hours, Bickley said he kicked the concrete and noticed something. Then they immediately contacted LE. I believe that's where the 2 hours is coming from.

[scandi]

This map was posted on pp 18 of the last thread if my c & p doesn't work here. The map turns into a photo of the site, grabbed from In Session last night:




http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=41.962235,-83.584499&spn=0.03089,0.077248&z=14&msid=108851804349303389965.00046b938f911473f7663


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=dundee,+mi&sll=45.714924,-45.665576&sspn=113.36736,292.851563&ie=UTF8&ll=41.964373,-83.582311&spn=0.015859,0.035748&z=15&layer=c&cbll=41.964357,-83.582705&panoid=dhKOuNtAd8IrWECbQRoijQ&cbp=12,338.22,,0,17.97

[nursebeeme]

I wanted to bring this forward from thread #3. We have 55 members here this morning and 52 guests on this thread.

Hopefully someone has the time and the skill to map this out for us, if so thank you in advance! if anyone can provide me with the addresses I will do the map. The links didn't work......

[Kat]

After watching the video I realize that the Lord brought just the right person to little Nevaeh. I believe with all my heart.....and i know that many don't believe in God....but, He knows everything, He will bring everything into the light when he deems right. This gives me hope for every missing child....

I don't know how this man can speak right now.....but he seems very lucid and quite frankly I understand why the Lord brought him to her. If you haven't watched the video please do....he breaks down towards the end and it is very touching.

Angels truly walk among us. I am grateful.

OMG I rarely cry. Rarely. He brought tears to my eyes. (ETA)

[nursebeeme]

MONROE — The man who called authorities after finding a body on the banks of the River Raisin said he and his father unknowingly sat for hours fishing from atop a concrete block not knowing it contained a body.

Guy Binkley, 51, told The Blade Friday morning that the body — believed to be that of 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchannan — was encased in some sort of concrete ready mix just feet from the river near Dixon Road in Raisinville Township.

Mr. Binkley said he and his 72-year-old father, who was visiting from out of state, went to the river to fish about 9:30 a.m. Thursday. They were sitting on the rocks and on a piece of concrete and Mr. Binkley said he occassionally kicked his foot at it.

He said they noticed a foul odor but thought it was decaying fish.

The father and son were at the river for about two hours before Mr. Binkley said he again kicked his foot into the concrete and a piece flipped off of it. Then he saw flies and discovered human skin.

They immediately called 911 and police authorities and said they waited at the scene for about two hours until an officer arrived.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...WS02/906059965

Here you go BB

[wandering]

I don't suppose LE gave a reason why it took them 2 hours to arrive, did they? It ticks me off this wasn't a priority call.

The report from the woman upstairs sheds new light on things if JB was to take Nevaeh to the store. Is there a link?

More stories here. Check the links on the sides after you click on an aritcle. All the other articles will be there.

http://www.freep.com/

[Kat]

I'm sorry nurse, that was my fault about the links. I was being lazy (I have a bad habit of that BTW)

Article that gives description of area about 1/3 down the article:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050375/Body-may-be-Monroe-girl--5

And then the link of the map that E-U-R had tried to work out last night:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=41.962235,-83.584499&spn=0.03089,0.077248&z=14&msid=108851804349303389965.00046b938f911473f7663

[nursebeeme]

what is the addy or road of the discovery?

[Forensic fan]

Complete video interview with the man who found Nevaeh's body: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19668233/index.html

How sad, that poor man. I can't imagine finding something like that, especially if you had been sitting there for hours with the smell, then all the flies. My heart goes out to him.

[Kat]

what is the addy or road of the discovery?

This is what I saw last night but someone else might have more info to offer:

Earlier, police cordoned off an area near the River Raisin around Dixon Road in the area of Ida-Maybee and Neiman roads. By 7 p.m., at least four people in white Hazmat suits were walking along the south bank of the River Raisin in an area just east of railroad tracks near Yensch Road.

[wandering]

I don't suppose LE gave a reason why it took them 2 hours to arrive, did they? It ticks me off this wasn't a priority call.

The report from the woman upstairs sheds new light on things if JB was to take Nevaeh to the store. Is there a link?
Here's that particular link.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

[Recovering-Lurker]

How sad, that poor man. I can't imagine finding something like that, especially if you had been sitting there for hours with the smell, then all the flies. My heart goes out to him.

So sad. And he has to think about the fact that his feet were right on top of her poor, little body. I feel for him and his father. I too feel that he was led to that spot by some unseen force, just like Roy Kronk in Caylee's case.

[scandi]

I'm sorry nurse, that was my fault about the links. I was being lazy (I have a bad habit of that BTW)

Article that gives description of area about 1/3 down the article:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050375/Body-may-be-Monroe-girl--5

And then the link of the map that E-U-R had tried to work out last night:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=41.962235,-83.584499&spn=0.03089,0.077248&z=14&msid=108851804349303389965.00046b938f911473f7663


Hi, And I got my 2 map links to work that were from pp 18 of the last thread. They are in my previous post above. xox

[nursebeeme]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Dixon+Rd,+Michigan&daddr=1166+N+Macomb+St,+Monroe,+MI+48162+(Charlott e+Arms+Apartments)&geocode=FawegAIdhfYD-w%3BFdrOfwId9KQH-w&hl=en&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=42.189549,-83.490453&sspn=1.125337,2.471924&ie=UTF8&ll=41.966638,-83.581839&spn=0.017646,0.038624&t=h&z=15

okay... here is a map..

the body was found off of dixon road in the area of ida~maybee road, Neiman road, and yensch road. You can see Neiman to the left and Yensch to the upper center. If you zoom out of the map you can see where dixon road bends at the centered junction of map with the river raisin.

[SeriouslySearching]

This map was posted on pp 18 of the last thread if my c & p doesn't work here. The map turns into a photo of the site, grabbed from In Session last night:




http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=41.962235,-83.584499&spn=0.03089,0.077248&z=14&msid=108851804349303389965.00046b938f911473f7663


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=dundee,+mi&sll=45.714924,-45.665576&sspn=113.36736,292.851563&ie=UTF8&ll=41.964373,-83.582311&spn=0.015859,0.035748&z=15&layer=c&cbll=41.964357,-83.582705&panoid=dhKOuNtAd8IrWECbQRoijQ&cbp=12,338.22,,0,17.97Yes, it had to be someone familiar with the area.

I am confused on the reports of Nevaeh going into the woods and the report about visiting "Daddy George" plus her being poked or stabbed in the stomach from the children. Where did the report come from intially? (I heard it on HLN.)

ETA: The article cleared this up and raises many more questions about JB.:

Despite a search warrant that says he saw a man stab 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan in woods after she disappeared, her 8-year-old friend saw nothing, his mother said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

[A_Closer_Look]

Complete video interview with the man who found Nevaeh's body: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19668233/index.html

Ugh
At the end, that's one of those cries... from the deepest part of your heart.

God Bless this entire community :(

[CHICANA]

This has probably been discussed, I'm way behind, but where was the perp fishing when the mom told him Neveah was missing ?
I know he changed his story, but LE should be able to find out where he was when he was called with the news.

[nursebeeme]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Ida-maybee+Road,+Michigan&daddr=1166+N+Macomb+St,+Monroe,+MI+48162+(Charlott e+Arms+Apartments)&hl=en&geocode=%3BFdrOfwId9KQH-w&mra=ls&sll=41.96383,-83.583899&sspn=0.035293,0.077248&ie=UTF8&ll=41.969063,-83.553085&spn=0.017645,0.038624&t=h&z=15

here is ida~maybee road in relation to dixon road

[sandcastles4me]

Here's that particular link.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036


Now I really have questions about JB. She was so sure that she was taken by a car when she first disappeared and talked about her in past tense. I hope LE has looked real long and hard at her too!:confused:

[scandi]

Yes, it had to be someone familiar with the area.

I am confused on the reports of Nevaeh going into the woods and the report about visiting "Daddy George" plus her being poked or stabbed in the stomach from the children. Where did the report come from intially? (I heard it on HLN.)

ETA: The article cleared this up and raises many more questions about JB.:

Despite a search warrant that says he saw a man stab 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan in woods after she disappeared, her 8-year-old friend saw nothing, his mother said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036


Good question SS, I though it was one of the original links in the case. We heard about that very soon after the case broke. LOL Just now see your ETA ;}

[laniefi]

I believe it is a bit to the left (west) on that bend in the river between Sullivan & Nieman on Dixon.

[angeleleven]

Now I really have questions about JB. She was so sure that she was taken by a car when she first disappeared and talked about her in past tense. I hope LE has looked real long and hard at her too!:confused:

I noticed that she talked about her in past tense...I hope LE focuses on her more.

[KR2tonenow]

Based on the map it's a pretty easy dump site, do we have more information that GK worked with concrete?? Was that his last place of employment?

Also in one of the articles listed today, Jennifer's neighbor upstairs stated as saying that Nevaeh was playing with her son and then left with Jennifer and that was the last time the neighbor saw Nevaeh. Did Jennifer pass her off to GK and perhaps the scooter was out in the parking lot from when the 2 kids played together earlier?

Will autopsy results be completed today?

[laniefi]

Good question SS, I though it was one of the original links in the case. We heard about that very soon after the case broke. LOL Just now see your ETA ;}

The main road over there is M-50 but back off of 50 it is farmland then the river as you go north. hope that helps...

When it is appropriate I can get some pictures for us...

[SeriouslySearching]

“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said the boy’s mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”

The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

This blows JB's many stories.

[nursebeeme]

after looking at that map I linked I just had another sandra cantu moment! The perp took a road straight out of Monroe to the countryside. Of course (s)he drove a bit further...

((aside... I add the (s) to he because I will never make that mistake again after the sandra cantu case))

[nursebeeme]

“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said the boy’s mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”

The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

This blows JB's many stories. SS, the first place that they searched was behind the Kmart.

[laniefi]

Based on the map it's a pretty easy dump site, do we have more information that GK worked with concrete?? Was that his last place of employment?

Also in one of the articles listed today, Jennifer's neighbor upstairs stated as saying that Nevaeh was playing with her son and then left with Jennifer and that was the last time the neighbor saw Nevaeh. Did Jennifer pass her off to GK and perhaps the scooter was out in the parking lot from when the 2 kids played together earlier?

Will autopsy results be completed today?

Although i can't cite the source right now - I heard by noon.

This was quickcrete type material from what i understand and would be bought at a Home Depot or Lowes type store.

[SeriouslySearching]

"I guess we can take this down now," Kmart employee Kerry Bidolli said of the flyer of the girl's smiling face still hanging in the store window.

At about 11 a.m. the store manager used the blade of a box cutter to remove the sign. His hands shook as he completed the task.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605045/Tragic+story+of+Nevaeh+shakes+a+community :(

[laniefi]

after looking at that map I linked I just had another sandra cantu moment! The perp took a road straight out of Monroe to the countryside. Of course (s)he drove a bit further...

((aside... I add the (s) to he because I will never make that mistake again after the sandra cantu case))

Yep - M50 - major road between Monroe & Dundee (where Cabelas is) - a mjor link between 1-75 on the east and US 23 on the west.

[Kat]

“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said the boy’s mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”

The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

This blows JB's many stories.


Bolded by me:

<whistles loudly> wow. Not really a surprise though eh?

[CHICANA]

Why did POS deny that he killed Nevaeh before we knew she was dead ?

[scandi]

“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said the boy’s mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”

The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

This blows JB's many stories.

Plus it also makes the sighting of the man wearing a Fedora having Navaeh, captured on video in some big town - like Toledo or Detroit, not sure. 5 FBI men went into that store to check receipts.

Now that is if that story was about that Sunday. It almost gave me the impression it was from another date. I'd have to reread the link. xox

[KR2tonenow]

SS, the first place that they searched was behind the Kmart.

Any survelliance released of possible sightings of JB and Nevaeh at KMart?

[SeriouslySearching]

Bolded by me:

<whistles loudly> wow. Not really a surprise though eh?I guess we might be able to add Liar to her resume right after Home Invasionist and RSO Lover. I think she could surpass Casey A. as more comes out for Mother Of The Year. :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

Why did POS deny that he killed Nevaeh before we knew she was dead ?Hmmm...I don't know. Good question. :waitasec:

[nursebeeme]

Any survelliance released of possible sightings of JB and Nevaeh at KMart?
not that I have heard of... many of us found it strange tho that they started the search for her behind the kmart. (thread one there is discussion on it) I surely think they would have pulled tape...

[SeriouslySearching]

Plus it also makes the sighting of the man wearing a Fedora having Navaeh, captured on video in some big town - like Toledo or Detroit, not sure. 5 FBI men went into that store to check receipts.

Now that is if that story was about that Sunday. It almost gave me the impression it was from another date. I'd have to reread the link. xoxIf the video was from another area and she was seen upstairs all afternoon, she could not have been with the man at 1:45pm that Sunday.

ETA: Does KMart sell quick set cement?

[nursebeeme]

Why did POS deny that he killed Nevaeh before we knew she was dead ?

POST OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! couple that with the lovely Rock comment by George and I have serious questions for that boy!

[scandi]

after looking at that map I linked I just had another sandra cantu moment! The perp took a road straight out of Monroe to the countryside. Of course (s)he drove a bit further...

((aside... I add the (s) to he because I will never make that mistake again after the sandra cantu case))

Also, from reading the Sheriff's words from the morning presser, he used the word 'they' several times leaving me with the definite impression he thinks at least there are 2 perps.

[Kat]

I guess we might be able to add Liar to her resume right after Home Invasionist and RSO Lover. I think she could surpass Casey A. as more comes out for Mother Of The Year. :furious:

Funny you should say that SS because it sparked a connection in my mind.

Today at my daughter's graduation one of the speakers said this:

Remember, if your friend will lie for you, they can easily lie against you.

Given that my mind works in odd ways, what you just said made me think this:

JB lied for her RSO "friend", defending him at every turn and with every breath.

In doing so, she lied against her own daughter. She lied because Nevaeh should have been her number one priority in life. Mommy lied. Nevaeh wasn't as important as the RSO.

Sorry just wanted to get that out of my head.

[nursebeeme]

If the video was from another area and she was seen upstairs all afternoon, she could not have been with the man at 1:45pm that Sunday.
it was a rumor from monroetalks... and it was at a gas station on alexis in toledo.

ETA: and the sighting (rumor) was last sunday... while she was missing

[Salem]

After watching the video I realize that the Lord brought just the right person to little Nevaeh. I believe with all my heart.....and i know that many don't believe in God....but, He knows everything, He will bring everything into the light when he deems right. This gives me hope for every missing child....

I don't know how this man can speak right now.....but he seems very lucid and quite frankly I understand why the Lord brought him to her. If you haven't watched the video please do....he breaks down towards the end and it is very touching.

I hope his family remembers to give him lots of hugs and his dad too! Bless their hearts.

Salem

[SleuthyMama]

Funny you should say that SS because it sparked a connection in my mind.

Today at my daughter's graduation one of the speakers said this:

Remember, if your friend will lie for you, they can easily lie against you.

Given that my mind works in odd ways, what you just said made me think this:

JB lied for her RSO "friend", defending him at every turn and with every breath.

In doing so, she lied against her own daughter. She lied because Nevaeh should have been her number one priority in life. Mommy lied. Nevaeh wasn't as important as the RSO.

Sorry just wanted to get that out of my head.

Thanks for putting that into words, Kat. It just reinforces what was said on NG last night by both Nancy Grace and Bethany Marshall. That more often than not, mothers involved with SOs will defend and back the SO over their own children. I cannot fathom what could ever ever make a mother choose a "stranger" over her own child. I just can't. It's sickening.

[nursebeeme]

When Nevaeh's mother, Jennifer Buchanan, was told about the body, "she broke down, and broke down hard," said Michael Buchanan, her brother.

"She couldn't believe her daughter had to go through this," he said, adding that if it is Nevaeh's body it provides "some type of closure, even if it is for the worst
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-06-05-missing-girl-michigan_N.htm

[SeriouslySearching]

it was a rumor from monroetalks... and it was at a gas station on alexis in toledo.

ETA: and the sighting (rumor) was last sunday... while she was missingThanks, NeeBee~ I still think it is one rumor that may not play out to be true or is a case of mistaken identity. Why would someone take her to Toledo then bring her back to the area to bury her in cement? Makes no sense.

[nursebeeme]

Thanks, NeeBee~ I still think it is one rumor that may not play out to be true or is a case of mistaken identity. Why would someone take her to Toledo then bring her back to the area to bury her in cememt? Makes no sense.
Toledo is not far at all... I used to live there... but I do agree with you. I also do not think that the perp would be in public places parading her around.. but than we can look at Jet Duncan and know that other perps have done the same thing...

[Kat]

I agree with you both. How many times when we've followed these missing child cases do a "reported sighting" turn out to be, in fact, that child.

I still get excited when reports are made during cases, but it is tempered with the experience of knowing such sightings are so very rare.

[scandi]

If the video was from another area and she was seen upstairs all afternoon, she could not have been with the man at 1:45pm that Sunday.

ETA: Does KMart sell quick set cement?

A good question. Mrs Kuhn was not that specific when she said all afternoon. Didn't we read she went to play with the Kuhn friend around 3:15 after changing her clothes?

Possibly this man had been with Nivaeh earlier and took her back to the apt so she could change clothes and then he would pick her up later to go fishing. When Jennifer took her to the store {something new from last night} maybe she dropped her off at a store where she met this man. That could have been at the 6:30 time, so she could have been at the upstairs apt from 3:15 till then. Quite a long time to play IMO.

Just thinking, probably dea wrong!

[scandi]

Toledo is not far at all... I used to live there... but I do agree with you. I also do not think that the perp would be in public places parading her around.. but than we can look at Jet Duncan and know that other perps have done the same thing...

Maybe it wasn't premeditated and was an accidental death. There is thought she was being abused before this, as Child Services wanted her removed from her home. Maybe it was a normal outing if the mother was pimping out her daughter. Only a possibility but it has been brought up here before. xox

[MIMOMMY]

I dont think the party store sighting has anything to do with anything ---

Also - IMO - The mother is just as guilty as whoever did this - whether she was actually involved or not --- Shame on you for doing what ever it is you were doing that was more important than watching your daughter.

Last night on the way back from our sons graduation - we passed two girls MAYBE 5 and 6 riding down the street by theirselves in bathsuit tops and shorts --- (Keep in mind it was almost 9 pm at night - no street lights) hubby got out of the car - and thankfully had SOME idea who the parents were and escorted them both home (Im sure he had a few choice words for the parents)

Sorry about the ramble but my point is WTF is WRONG with parents --- Someone today was talking about how "things have changed" and they used to be allowed to wander around by theirselves for 8-10 hours a day --- My parents NEVER let us wander around unsupervised - as a teen it sucked -- but now that Im older - Im thankful!

[SewingDeb]

I dont think the party store sighting has anything to do with anything ---

Also - IMO - The mother is just as guilty as whoever did this - whether she was actually involved or not --- Shame on you for doing what ever it is you were doing that was more important than watching your daughter.

Last night on the way back from our sons graduation - we passed two girls MAYBE 5 and 6 riding down the street by theirselves in bathsuit tops and shorts --- (Keep in mind it was almost 9 pm at night - no street lights) hubby got out of the car - and thankfully had SOME idea who the parents were and escorted them both home (Im sure he had a few choice words for the parents)

Sorry about the ramble but my point is WTF is WRONG with parents --- Someone today was talking about how "things have changed" and they used to be allowed to wander around by theirselves for 8-10 hours a day --- My parents NEVER let us wander around unsupervised - as a teen it sucked -- but now that Im older - Im thankful!

I think the "Free Range" parents need to read this.

[illinoismom]

Why did POS deny that he killed Nevaeh before we knew she was dead ?

I thought the same thing when I was reading that.....sounds suspicious to me.

[mistivon]

i'm still catching up, but did anyone read somewhere that the family could not positively id her body.....would that be from just the normal decomp?
Sorry, don't mean to be graphic, just still can't seem to get my head around what my heart denies

[SeriouslySearching]

Looking on the map between Monroe and Toledo, there are many areas of water and other places where the body could have been dumped. It would be out of the way considerably to go back to the river, imo.

I want to know more about the fight between GK and JB before she went missing. MB (brother) mentioned this early on when interviewed. Has anyone seen where he has elaborated more on this?

[MIMOMMY]

Sewing - the park is so close to our house I could yell back and forth to my son --- Who is now 10 (just graduated to Middle School) and thinks hes TOO old --- He is NOT allowed to go down there alone -- He MAY go if there are a group of 4-5 of them BUT all of those children have their own individual walkie talkies -- all of the parents are on the same link --- and I STILL catch myself sitting in the yard and watching ---

He says Im paranoid -- I say....I LOVE YOU!

Whether he's a boy or not - God only knows who's out there lurking.....I dont think at this point it matters whether or not your child is male or female 2 or 50 --- there is some sick freak out there who'd love to snatch them -- It makes me ill --

[Salem]

Yes, it had to be someone familiar with the area.

I am confused on the reports of Nevaeh going into the woods and the report about visiting "Daddy George" plus her being poked or stabbed in the stomach from the children. Where did the report come from intially? (I heard it on HLN.)

ETA: The article cleared this up and raises many more questions about JB.:

Despite a search warrant that says he saw a man stab 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan in woods after she disappeared, her 8-year-old friend saw nothing, his mother said.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

Thanks for this SS - it answers some questions I had. And again, just reinforces that JB's stories don't match LE actions.

Salem

[Peliman]

Maybe it wasn't premeditated and was an accidental death. There is thought she was being abused before this, as Child Services wanted her removed from her home. Maybe it was a normal outing if the mother was pimping out her daughter. Only a possibility but it has been brought up here before. xox

Hi scandi, the RSO had no business being around children, probably a condition of his parole. Am I right the mother knew he was an RSO?

Snooping around a story I found this comment from day 5.

[Police have also recovered a letter written by Nevaeh's mother addressed to Kennedy. Investigators believe Jennifer Buchanan tried to destroy the letter by tearing it. The letter was recovered torn in a dumpster search. Investigators will not disclose the nature of her message to Kennedy.]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090528_nevaeh_day_5

[Ms.Heather]

Hi scandi, the RSO had no business being around children, probably a condition of his parole. Am I right the mother knew he was an RSO?

Snooping around a story I found this comment from day 5.

[Police have also recovered a letter written by Nevaeh's mother addressed to Kennedy. Investigators believe Jennifer Buchanan tried to destroy the letter by tearing it. The letter was recovered torn in a dumpster search. Investigators will not disclose the nature of her message to Kennedy.]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090528_nevaeh_day_5

It was a condition of his parole. He was not supposed to be around children. And Yes, the "mother" knew he was a RSO... She met him at the parole office.

[SeriouslySearching]

i'm still catching up, but did anyone read somewhere that the family could not positively id her body.....would that be from just the normal decomp?
Sorry, don't mean to be graphic, just still can't seem to get my head around what my heart deniesI haven't read anything, but it wouldn't surprise me with the moist area where she was found and other factors.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi scandi, the RSO had no business being around children, probably a condition of his parole. Am I right the mother knew he was an RSO?

Snooping around a story I found this comment from day 5.

[Police have also recovered a letter written by Nevaeh's mother addressed to Kennedy. Investigators believe Jennifer Buchanan tried to destroy the letter by tearing it. The letter was recovered torn in a dumpster search. Investigators will not disclose the nature of her message to Kennedy.]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090528_nevaeh_day_5If true, I wonder if it had to do with the fight her brother reported between the two of them? Maybe she was apologizing?

[laniefi]

Looking on the map between Monroe and Toledo, there are many areas of water and other places where the body could have been dumped. It would be out of the way considerably to go back to the river, imo.

I want to know more about the fight between GK and JB before she went missing. MB (brother) mentioned this early on when interviewed. Has anyone seen where he has elaborated more on this?

SS - do you have specific questions about that area - if so I may be able to answer....

[tfrohning]

The main road over there is M-50 but back off of 50 it is farmland then the river as you go north. hope that helps...

When it is appropriate I can get some pictures for us...

Is there any vacation homes on the river, that might be rented?

[Steely Dan]

I agree with you both. How many times when we've followed these missing child cases do a "reported sighting" turn out to be, in fact, that child.

I still get excited when reports are made during cases, but it is tempered with the experience of knowing such sightings are so very rare.

I.E. Caylee Anthony.

Maybe it wasn't premeditated and was an accidental death. There is thought she was being abused before this, as Child Services wanted her removed from her home. Maybe it was a normal outing if the mother was pimping out her daughter. Only a possibility but it has been brought up here before. xox

Why didn't the father have custody?

Hi scandi, the RSO had no business being around children, probably a condition of his parole. Am I right the mother knew he was an RSO?

Snooping around a story I found this comment from day 5.

[Police have also recovered a letter written by Nevaeh's mother addressed to Kennedy. Investigators believe Jennifer Buchanan tried to destroy the letter by tearing it. The letter was recovered torn in a dumpster search. Investigators will not disclose the nature of her message to Kennedy.]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090528_nevaeh_day_5

Did I hear somewhere that the mother and one of the RSO's failed lie detector tests?

[nursebeeme]

If true, I wonder if it had to do with the fight her brother reported between the two of them? Maybe she was apologizing?
the letter came out in the early days. Jennifer claims it was written while George was incarcerated and talked about helping take care of his business back home while he was in jail, etc and was innocent. There was *rumor* that the letter talked about exchanging her daughter for George to help pay for her drug debt. The letter was found ripped up and in the trash can by LE. LE has not officially commented on the letter... only Jennifer defending herself saying it was innocent and not about Neveah at all.

This was the first I had heard of a fight between Jennifer and George. I do know thru links past that he had started dating S Gray a month ago.

[nursebeeme]

Maybe it wasn't premeditated and was an accidental death. There is thought she was being abused before this, as Child Services wanted her removed from her home. Maybe it was a normal outing if the mother was pimping out her daughter. Only a possibility but it has been brought up here before. xox
The rumor that I was referring to on the monroetalks site was about a gas station on alexis road last sunday (she was already missing). I forget which page the rumor was posted on.. will look...

[laniefi]

ETA - SORRY that was for tfrohning...


Not really - there are homes on that river bend closer to Sullivan but when you go west it is maybe 1 farmhouse and fields, trees....

[Peliman]

If true, I wonder if it had to do with the fight her brother reported between the two of them? Maybe she was apologizing?

I'm unsure of the contents, one thing I can say though is an inappropriate relationship appears to have formed in some manner. Neither of them should have been around each other if she had children.

[MIMOMMY]

I believe S attempted to get custody of N when he learned J was incarcerated -- at this point Grandma had already obtained custody -- there was also a rumour that when S and his family (he is married with two other children now) would attempt to see N --- the uncle was making some pretty nasty threats....so S backed away because he was concerned for his family's safety.......

Just what Ive remembered - not saying its all the truth..... :)

[nursebeeme]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=C4&Date=20090605&Category=NEWS05&ArtNo=90605028&Ref=AR&Profile=1007

map from dfp

[laniefi]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=monroe+mi&sll=37.020098,-95.712891&sspn=29.798411,45.351563&ie=UTF8&ll=41.964931,-83.580422&spn=0.007834,0.021887&t=h&z=16

[nursebeeme]

after looking at the map... the site was past ida~maybee road.. (from the previous map I tried to make... LOL)

[A_Closer_Look]

Has anybody heard from Scarlett last night or today?
Last I saw she was really shaken up by how close this scene was to her house.

[MIMOMMY]

Also - something else that popped in my head a few days ago that I wanted to mention -- at some point it was stated that G had a bunch of childrens toys that were similar to ones N had at her grandmothers --- THEN J stated that G was like a "father" to N --- and THENNNNNN J stated that G was NEVER EVER alone with N ---- ANd still another - J stated that N would have DEFINETLY gotten into a vehicle and left alone with G....

First question --- PLEASE tell me that J wasnt taking N over to that "pit o' skank" (just for you Kat) hotel room and letting her play --- (My thought here is she may have so that they could smoke, and do whatever else it is scumbags do together) which would explain the toys --- to "babysit" her.....


How is someone a father figure -- but they've never been alone with your child? AND --- lastly --- If shes NEVER been alone with him -- and she was (shy and quiet - as stated by J) Are we honestly supposed to believe that a shy, quiet girl who had never been alone with a specific man before - would just get in the car with him? She wouldnt say she needed to tell mom? ask grandma?

I smell..........B.................S

[nursebeeme]

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/recovered.cfm?id=65755

AMW

[nursebeeme]

Also - something else that popped in my head a few days ago that I wanted to mention -- at some point it was stated that G had a bunch of childrens toys that were similar to ones N had at her grandmothers --- THEN J stated that G was like a "father" to N --- and THENNNNNN J stated that G was NEVER EVER alone with N ---- ANd still another - J stated that N would have DEFINETLY gotten into a vehicle and left alone with G....

First question --- PLEASE tell me that J wasnt taking N over to that "pit o' skank" (just for you Kat) hotel room and letting her play --- (My thought here is she may have so that they could smoke, and do whatever else it is scumbags do together) which would explain the toys --- to "babysit" her.....


How is someone a father figure -- but they've never been alone with your child? AND --- lastly --- If shes NEVER been alone with him -- and she was (shy and quiet - as stated by J) Are we honestly supposed to believe that a shy, quiet girl who had never been alone with a specific man before - would just get in the car with him? She wouldnt say she needed to tell mom? ask grandma?

I smell..........B.................S
in some of the pictures of George's room there were little toy motorcycles like the ones he had given to Neveah!!!!!! What... does the guy buy them in bulk to befriend small children???????????????

[laniefi]

after looking at the map... the site was past ida~maybee road.. (from the previous map I tried to make... LOL)

I think it is a little west of Ida/Maybee...

[laniefi]

I also work right across the street from the Toledo Blade newspaper building in downtown Toledo - let me know if you folks need anything...

[MIMOMMY]

Nurse -- Right --- not only the toys but what grown man has a SUITCASE full of pictures of young girls??? GAK! Just the thought makes me throw up a little in my mouth --- Regardless of everything --- You touch a child -- you should NOT be allowed to EVER be returned to society --- IMHO your not worthy! Whether you want to claim "It happened to me when I was little" or whatever else....

[Peliman]

Also - something else that popped in my head a few days ago that I wanted to mention -- at some point it was stated that G had a bunch of childrens toys that were similar to ones N had at her grandmothers --- THEN J stated that G was like a "father" to N --- and THENNNNNN J stated that G was NEVER EVER alone with N ---- ANd still another - J stated that N would have DEFINETLY gotten into a vehicle and left alone with G....

First question --- PLEASE tell me that J wasnt taking N over to that "pit o' skank" (just for you Kat) hotel room and letting her play --- (My thought here is she may have so that they could smoke, and do whatever else it is scumbags do together) which would explain the toys --- to "babysit" her.....


How is someone a father figure -- but they've never been alone with your child? AND --- lastly --- If shes NEVER been alone with him -- and she was (shy and quiet - as stated by J) Are we honestly supposed to believe that a shy, quiet girl who had never been alone with a specific man before - would just get in the car with him? She wouldnt say she needed to tell mom? ask grandma?

I smell..........B.................S

Bolded by me, a very astute catch - thank-you.

[Kat]

MiMommy I always fantasize about all our SO's being confined on an island. I see it playing out like that old movie No Escape (had a young ray liota in it) Except in my verions of events they all prey on each other...sorry I have a twisted streak when it comes to SO's.

[TAMPAMOM]

I wish I had found this site sooner. I had so much trouble keeping track of everything. HLN was the only news site reporting this story in my area. This is a wonderful site.

[Chilly Willy]

I think JB probably did tell LE that she and Nevaeh went to KMart Sunday afternoon. LE wasn't so concerned with that area for no reason. They probably already have the KMart surveillance tapes showing JB and Nevaeh leaving the store. I recall that they asked one of the POI's if he'd followed Nevaeh from KMart.

[newsjunkie]

if anyone can provide me with the addresses I will do the map. The links didn't work......

I believe if you put anywhere between 11040 to 11060 Dixon Rd, Raisinville, MI in google maps you will get the right location.

[SewingDeb]

MIMOMMY,

I'm glad you are so careful with your son. You're right, who knows who is lurking...

It is hard to believe Neveah had never been alone with George but she would get in the car with him without asking anyone if it is ok.

[KR2tonenow]

MiMommy I always fantasize about all our SO's being confined on an island. I see it playing out like that old movie No Escape (had a young ray liota in it) Except in my verions of events they all prey on each other...sorry I have a twisted streak when it comes to SO's.

Right, and we need to add man eating creatures for sure!

[SleuthyMama]

Welcome, TampaMom. I'm continually amazed by the incredible members here.

[sfbaynancydrew]

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036/1007/NEWS/Boy+s+mother++He+didn+t+see+Nevaeh+taken

Doesn't this eliminate the witness that supposedly saw Nevaeh playing outside? If an adult says she last saw Nevaeh and her mother leave the complex at 3:45 to "go to the store" then what is the real timeline here??? Oh JB?????

[mistivon]

NOW she makes the front page of google news.

[Chilly Willy]

http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036/1007/NEWS/Boy+s+mother++He+didn+t+see+Nevaeh+taken

Doesn't this eliminate the witness that supposedly saw Nevaeh playing outside? If an adult says she last saw Nevaeh and her mother leave the complex at 3:45 to "go to the store" then what is the real timeline here??? Oh JB?????

Which witness has said they saw Nevaeh playing outside?

[scandi]

NOW she makes the front page of google news.

The 'Sick and Disturbed Suspect Sought in Naraeh Case' article listed on Google News tells me allot.

Put that together with the fact the Sheriff said in the presser this morning that 'they' this and 'they' that, being a strong indicator he thinks there is more than one perp, then one then might already be in custody, leaving the other guy not yet arrested! Hmmm, makes sense to me!

See y'all in a bit! xox

[SeriouslySearching]

the letter came out in the early days. Jennifer claims it was written while George was incarcerated and talked about helping take care of his business back home while he was in jail, etc and was innocent. There was *rumor* that the letter talked about exchanging her daughter for George to help pay for her drug debt. The letter was found ripped up and in the trash can by LE. LE has not officially commented on the letter... only Jennifer defending herself saying it was innocent and not about Neveah at all.

This was the first I had heard of a fight between Jennifer and George. I do know thru links past that he had started dating S Gray a month ago.If JB referred to the letter as being "innocent" then it confirms the story of there being a letter that LE found, yes? The question is then did she tear it up and toss it or did GK?

Also, if she was writing letters to him while he was incarcerated then how did she meet him at the Parole office? When was he in jail and for how long?

[jackweb]

Hi all,
Guess I'm new here, but have been on lots of other crime/justice sites on the web. Took me awhile to get on websleuths but let's get to some sleuthing on what's always a sad case.
When I did a profile for the Nevaeh case a week ago it came out that, assuming the abduction report wasn't false, and the mother/caregivers had nothing to do with it, then a Monroe local did it, who was a situational molester (he'll do it if the situation/ circumstances are right), whose alcohol content on the middle day of the holiday weekend was up, and his inhibitions (those he had) were down. I proposed he'd have a record for child sex or similar crimes, or if no record, be known to those he knew as a molester or suspected molester. That he was there that Sunday for some other reason, off work, lives there, visiting, hangs around the playground behind the parking lot on school days, and as above was drinking.
Now of course we have the body found about 9 mi. west of the town, 11 mi. from the abduction site. The body area is so rural, off the main track, that again olny a local, would know of it, or even think of going there. In fact this offender felt so at home and comfortable at the spot, he took time to mix and pour conrete there, and was so fond of the Rasin river stream, he made the shallow grave, and poured the concrete only 'inches' away from the waters edge (which ruined the concrete). So, not only is it most likely a Monroe local, but a locals local, who knew this out of the way site so well that his relatives or he himself may own rural property there (he had to get the cement/tools from somewhere). As the site is usually only known to local fishermen, we can suppose besides being local, he fishes too.
Well, maybe all this was said before on the forum, but like I said, I'm new.

[SeriouslySearching]

The 'Sick and Disturbed Suspect Sought in Naraeh Case' article listed on Google News tells me allot.

Put that together with the fact the Sheriff said in the presser this morning that 'they' this and 'they' that, being a strong indicator he thinks there is more than one perp, then one then might already be in custody, leaving the other guy not yet arrested! Hmmm, makes sense to me!

See y'all in a bit! xoxOr female. Or male and female. ;)