Discrepancies, Inconsistencies, Changing Stories

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Working on the timeline, I noticed that Jennifer keeps changing the time that the little girl told her Nevaeh was riding her scooter in the road. She is slowly pushing it forward over time.

In an early interview with The Toledo Blade, she said Nevaeh left to play with a girl between 5:30 and 5:45, and between 6:00 and 6:30 the girl came to tell her Nevaeh was riding in the street.

In a later interview on radio, she said the girl came to tell at "exactly 6:30."

Then in the Detroit Free Press interview, she says Nevaeh left at 6:30, and the "tattletale" girl came 20 minutes later, which would be 6:50.

Now, on Nancy Grace, she says Nevaeh left at 6:30 and the little girl came 30 minutes later, which would be 7:00.

Nevaeh's grandmother told The Detroit News early on that the little girl came by at 6:15.


(This also means that she's moved the time Nevaeh supposedly left from 5:30/:45 to 6:30.)

She's been consistent about saying she looked for Nevaeh for "over 45 minutes."

[concentric]

Thank you for starting this thread!

The scooter: I've read that it is Neveah's. I've read that it belongs to one of her friends. Which is it?

"Neveah is riding her scooter"

Was the girl saying: Neveah is riding MY scooter or was she saying Neveah is riding Neveah's scooter?

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Both GK and Savannah were supposedly together all day, but their stories of how the time was spent are completely different. (See timeline.)

[not_my_kids]

Up until tonight JB said that Nevaeh walked out the door, it shut, she never saw her daughter again.

Then 6-8 on NG she says that she saw Nevaeh enter Aaron's apartment. DOn't have a link for NG transcript yet, but one of the articles with the story she was telling is below.
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=110123&catid=14

[teonspaleprincess]

She was just so unbelievable on NG. I cannot believe that she doesn't know something or at least EXPECT something that she isn't telling. If it was my child there is no way I could have been talking as rational and as calm as she was, like she was emotionally detached.

[Searchfortruth]

Up until tonight JB said that Nevaeh walked out the door, it shut, she never saw her daughter again.

Then 6-8 on NG she says that she saw Nevaeh enter Aaron's apartment. DOn't have a link for NG transcript yet, but one of the articles with the story she was telling is below.
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=110123&catid=14Heres a link for the NG show last night...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

Here are the parts I found covering the last moments before Nevaeh goes missing...

BUCHANAN: She come (sic) in the house. She changed her clothes. After she changed her clothes, she said she was going back to her friend`s house.

GRACE: And?

BUCHANAN: Grabbed a popsicle on the way out the door, and she, you know -- I didn`t see her -- the last time I seen her was at 6:30.

GRACE: At what time?

BUCHANAN: 6:30.

GRACE: 6:30 p.m.?

BUCHANAN: Yes.

There is more on the transcript concerning Jennifers story...last time she saw Nevaeh

[Searchfortruth]

More from the transcripts...

GRACE: Huh. When did you learn Nevaeh was missing?

BUCHANAN: About a half an hour after she went outside. I had a really good friend of mine and her daughter stay the night with us. And my good friend`s daughter came in and she said, Nevaeh`s outside riding her scooter in the road.

That`s when I immediately got up and I looked for my shoes. It took a couple of minutes, a few minutes to look for my shoes. And then after that, I went outside and I noticed that she was missing and called her name.

Looked through apartment buildings. Went to quite a few of her friends` houses, thinking that she could have been, you know, in one of their homes. I looked for her at least 45 minutes.

GRACE: You stated that it was about 30 minutes later when the little girl came and said, Nevaeh`s outside on her scooter in the road? 30 minutes had passed?

BUCHANAN: Yes. Yes, because she told me she was going back upstairs to her friend`s house. And that`s assuming where she went.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

Re:bolded portion, from this statement it sounds like she did not actually see Nevaeh go into the apt upstairs, "that's assuming where she went"...I don't know, that's my take on it.

[Searchfortruth]

Re:bolded portion below...This is the last part of the transcript where the story seems to change a little, but from reading it again it still looks to me like she didn't check to see that Nevaeh went to the apt upstairs, when she left the second time.

GRACE: In the Detroit area on that day, the sun set 8:55 p.m. exactly. So your child is out. It`s been 30 minutes since you last saw her. Did you think maybe I should check on my preschooler? See if she`s dead or alive? I mean did that cross your mind?

BUCHANAN: No, because I knew that she was upstairs at her friend`s house until the little girl came up to me and said that Nevaeh was out riding her scooter in the road. That`s the point I`m.

GRACE: How did you know she was upstairs? Did you check on her? Did you go up there ever?

BUCHANAN: No, she`s -- I watched her walk in through the door.

GRACE: Really? Because earlier you said she went out the door.

(CROSSTALK)

BUCHANAN: We were just -- we just got home. She changed her clothes, everything else. I went upstairs at one point. I watched her walk in through the door. I came back downstairs. I went -- went inside.

GRACE: Because in your first version.

BUCHANAN: I knew that she was supposed to be up there.

GRACE: In your first version, you never got off the sofa. She took a popsicle, went out the door. You never said anything in your first version about watching her walk upstairs.

BUCHANAN: Right. I was still -- I was first sitting down. I got back up. I watched her walk up there. She came back downstairs. She changed her clothes. She walked back out the door with a popsicle. And then that`s whenever I was like -- she said, mom, I`m going back upstairs to Austin`s house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

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GRACE: Now you stated that you, quote, "got up." Where were you?
BUCHANAN: I was just sitting right there on the -- I was sitting right there on the couch So she come (sic) in and she grabbed a popsicle on the way out the door.

BUCHANAN: Grabbed a popsicle on the way out the door, and she, you know -- I didn`t see her -- the last time I seen her was at 6:30. BUCHANAN: Yes. Yes, because she told me she was going back upstairs to her friend`s house. And that`s assuming where she went.

Second account

BUCHANAN: I went upstairs at one point. I watched her walk in through the door. I came back downstairs. I went -- went inside.
No, because I knew that she was upstairs at her friend`s house

GRACE. In your first version, you never got off the sofa.
BUCHANAN: I knew that she was supposed to be up there.

From NG transcript

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She really struggles to put her record stright.

First says, she was assuming she went upstairs, because that was what the girl told her.
then she knew she was upstairs, even checked on her by going upstairs and watching her walk in through that door.
THIRD TIME:
I knew that she was supposed to be up there.
:confused:

There is a big difference between 'knowing' and 'assuming'.
If she was just assuming, it means she didn't know for sure. If she watched her going upstairs, how could she still be assuming, didn't believe her own eyes? :rolleyes:

[Salsa]

I was drawn to the TV last night..it was unbelievable. Who in the world spends minutes looking for their shoes when their child is "supposedly" in the street riding their scooter? I was just floored by the entire thing.

[Searchfortruth]

I was drawn to the TV last night..it was unbelievable. Who in the world spends minutes looking for their shoes when their child is "supposedly" in the street riding their scooter? I was just floored by the entire thing.I was floored too. I guess she could have been trying to make her story sound better so that she doesn't look as neglectful (didn't work very well, IMO). I don't quite understand why she is pointing fingers at GK and "girlfriend" when in the beginning she thought that he had nothing to do with it.

[SleuthyMama]

JB reminds me of Casey Anthony in a few ways. The flat affect for one thing. Very unemotional. I know that doesn't prove you killed your kid but it bothers me nonetheless.

Then watching her on NG last night I just felt like I was watching Casey all over again. JB just says whatever comes into her head when pressed. NG had her on the hot seat and it was like I could just see the lies being strung together in her brain in an attempt to keep her balance with Nancy. It reminded me of what some conversations between Casey and Cindy must have been like, although Cindy never pressed Casey hard enough.

I also get the feeling off JB of complete resentment and jealousy toward Neveah. And I think in this case that had everything to do with GK. Whether it was because he broke up w/ her because he realized he needed to get out of that situation because she had a child or because he was more interested in Neveah than he was in JB...either way, I think she really resented her daughter.

[Peliman]

Radio interview done with JB recently, the host ask her directly if she knows if her daughter ever made it to her friends house. A direct contrdiction to what was said on NG last night.

JB: I don't know that. :confused:

http://tinyurl.com/lkmfvl

[SuziQ]

What I find interesting is GK says he hadn't seen them for a couple of months. JB says 4 days? She can't call 911, but she can call him. And he appears to be the first person she calls. Why?

[Lynni]

I was watching the NG show and yelled to my husband that if he wanted to watch something completely awkward, he better come and watch this. It was very hard to watch-NG just grilled her and JB just couldn't pull it off. Something is wrong there. When they went to commercial, I thought to myself that JB would leave the interview. In fact, I thought she'd jump up and leave before NG was through with her. She was clearly upset that NG wasn't painting her as a loving caring grieving mother.

And why was her friend there?? NG made short work of her too.

[lonetraveler]

Both GK and Savannah were supposedly together all day, but their stories of how the time was spent are completely different. (See timeline.)
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I just found this thread about the inconsistencies, where is the timeline you mentioned. TIA.

[impatientredhead]

I was watching the NG show and yelled to my husband that if he wanted to watch something completely awkward, he better come and watch this. It was very hard to watch-NG just grilled her and JB just couldn't pull it off. Something is wrong there. When they went to commercial, I thought to myself that JB would leave the interview. In fact, I thought she'd jump up and leave before NG was through with her. She was clearly upset that NG wasn't painting her as a loving caring grieving mother.

And why was her friend there?? NG made short work of her too.

And is this the friend with the daughter that spent the night? Making it Holly's daughter that supposedly notified them that Neveah was in the road?

The most striking part of last nights interview to me was JB saying that the state did not want to see the body due to the level of decomposition. This is a mother that hasn't even had the chance to bury her child, say goodbye, etc... and she is dry eyed, calm voiced discussing the condition of the corpse? That is a new one for me. The fisherman who found her cried when talking about the body.

[faefrost]

crazy question. and I am only asking this because she just seemed to be lying so badly and so much on NG last night. But is there any actual evidence that the "tattletale" child even exists? Does LE know who this child was or who their parents are? Does anyone corroborate a child knocking on the appartment door at 6? Do we have anything independent to start the timeline of this event besides JB's word? because otherwise the last time Neveah was seen independently was when she was fed by the neighbor at 3:30. And it also may call into question various alibies.

[lonetraveler]

Re:bolded portion below...This is the last part of the transcript where the story seems to change a little, but from reading it again it still looks to me like she didn't check to see that Nevaeh went to the apt upstairs, when she left the second time.

GRACE: In the Detroit area on that day, the sun set 8:55 p.m. exactly. So your child is out. It`s been 30 minutes since you last saw her. Did you think maybe I should check on my preschooler? See if she`s dead or alive? I mean did that cross your mind?

BUCHANAN: No, because I knew that she was upstairs at her friend`s house until the little girl came up to me and said that Nevaeh was out riding her scooter in the road. That`s the point I`m.

GRACE: How did you know she was upstairs? Did you check on her? Did you go up there ever?

BUCHANAN: No, she`s -- I watched her walk in through the door.

GRACE: Really? Because earlier you said she went out the door.

(CROSSTALK)

BUCHANAN: We were just -- we just got home. She changed her clothes, everything else. I went upstairs at one point. I watched her walk in through the door. I came back downstairs. I went -- went inside.

GRACE: Because in your first version.

BUCHANAN: I knew that she was supposed to be up there.

GRACE: In your first version, you never got off the sofa. She took a popsicle, went out the door. You never said anything in your first version about watching her walk upstairs.

BUCHANAN: Right. I was still -- I was first sitting down. I got back up. I watched her walk up there. She came back downstairs. She changed her clothes. She walked back out the door with a popsicle. And then that`s whenever I was like -- she said, mom, I`m going back upstairs to Austin`s house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html
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Does LE know for sure that the little girl exists that supposedly told JB that Nevaeh was riding the scooter in the road?

[Lynni]

I thought that too about the little tattletale girl, but then it popped right out of my head. Who is this little girl? Is there a little girl?

Why did it take JB time to get her shoes on? If my daughter was riding her scooter in the road, I'd go out there with no shoes to tell her to stop it.

But then again, I didn't let my kids play outside unsupervised at 5 years old. My neighbors do that-their kids are all over our neighborhood at ages 2 to 7. Scary.

[not_my_kids]

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=110123&catid=14

Okay, at 6:30 Nevaeh leaves. 20 minutes later the other girl comes to the door, that would have been 6:50. Jennifer finds her shoes and goes outside, about 6:55. She says she searched for 45 minutes. That makes it 7:40.

Per other sleuthers, the 911 call was at 8:15.
Where did that "extra" half hour go?

[panthera]

crazy question. and I am only asking this because she just seemed to be lying so badly and so much on NG last night. But is there any actual evidence that the "tattletale" child even exists? Does LE know who this child was or who their parents are? Does anyone corroborate a child knocking on the appartment door at 6? Do we have anything independent to start the timeline of this event besides JB's word? because otherwise the last time Neveah was seen independently was when she was fed by the neighbor at 3:30. And it also may call into question various alibies.
I'm still wondering about that myself. We know the little boy upstairs exists because we've seen his dad on tv talking about how upset he is. But nothing to back up this "tattletale" child coming in at 6:30pm to report Nevaeh riding the scooter outside.

Another inconsistency I noticed was she orginally said she was watching "Jon & Kate" show on tv then last night said she was sitting on the sofa thinking about what to fix for dinner. She also added the Nevaeh came in and got a popsicle to the story.

[panthera]

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=110123&catid=14

Okay, at 6:30 Nevaeh leaves. 20 minutes later the other girl comes to the door, that would have been 6:50. Jennifer finds her shoes and goes outside, about 6:55. She says she searched for 45 minutes. That makes it 7:40.

Per other sleuthers, the 911 call was at 8:15.
Where did that "extra" half hour go?
I noticed the missing time too and wasn't it also someone else who called 911 and not JB? Yet JB supposedly called GK at 8pm? There also seemed to be a contradiction as to where JB was searching for her. :waitasec:

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I just found this thread about the inconsistencies, where is the timeline you mentioned. TIA.

The Maps, Photos, etc. thread is here:
Maps, Timelines, Photos - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The first post has a link to a photobucket album with the timeline in it. (I can't remember whose photobucket account it is, which is horrible, because whoever it is did an incredible job putting it together!! Somebody please come give credit to that poster!!)

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I noticed the missing time too and wasn't it also someone else who called 911 and not JB? Yet JB supposedly called GK at 8pm? There also seemed to be a contradiction as to where JB was searching for her. :waitasec:

Not only that, but her first stories made the time between finding the scooter and the 8:15 call to LE as much as an hour and a half!

I still don't understand how she can say she called GK at 8:00 to tell him LE was looking for him if LE wasn't even called until 8:15. GK says she called him twice.

[tfrohning]

More from the transcripts...

GRACE: Huh. When did you learn Nevaeh was missing?

BUCHANAN: About a half an hour after she went outside. I had a really good friend of mine and her daughter stay the night with us. And my good friend`s daughter came in and she said, Nevaeh`s outside riding her scooter in the road.

That`s when I immediately got up and I looked for my shoes. It took a couple of minutes, a few minutes to look for my shoes. And then after that, I went outside and I noticed that she was missing and called her name.

Looked through apartment buildings. Went to quite a few of her friends` houses, thinking that she could have been, you know, in one of their homes. I looked for her at least 45 minutes.

GRACE: You stated that it was about 30 minutes later when the little girl came and said, Nevaeh`s outside on her scooter in the road? 30 minutes had passed?

BUCHANAN: Yes. Yes, because she told me she was going back upstairs to her friend`s house. And that`s assuming where she went.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

Re:bolded portion, from this statement it sounds like she did not actually see Nevaeh go into the apt upstairs, "that's assuming where she went"...I don't know, that's my take on it.
I don't think she got off the couch:mad:

[passionflower]

She was just so unbelievable on NG. I cannot believe that she doesn't know something or at least EXPECT something that she isn't telling. If it was my child there is no way I could have been talking as rational and as calm as she was, like she was emotionally detached.

IMO, she is emotionally detached from Navaeh. Navaeh was 2 when JB went to prison, then 4 months ago rejoined. JB had no interest in her child.
No dinner? Not watching her child play? Had better things to do, like sit on the couch.............IMO no bonding........:mad:

[kiki the parrot]

”I have never left her alone with him," said Jennifer, “There was always another parent with her and him.”

Can someone please help me like what exactly the above statement means, "There was always another parent?" As in not necessarily JB? Or even the GM? As in who? As in JB WAS by her own admission here leaving Nevaeh w RSO GK (but it was ok cause there was someone else she claims who would ordinarily be present?) W whom and where was GK when JB was leaving Nevaeh w him? I thought JB was always there and never left Nevaeh w GK? :waitasec: (Wasn't sure this belonged JB thread or here gee... at this point they could almost be merged.)

:parrot:

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=305099

[bessie]

crazy question. and I am only asking this because she just seemed to be lying so badly and so much on NG last night. But is there any actual evidence that the "tattletale" child even exists? Does LE know who this child was or who their parents are? Does anyone corroborate a child knocking on the appartment door at 6? Do we have anything independent to start the timeline of this event besides JB's word? because otherwise the last time Neveah was seen independently was when she was fed by the neighbor at 3:30. And it also may call into question various alibies.
Here is a portion of the e-mail I sent to Jeff Seidel, the reporter who wrote Sunday's DFP article: Amid suspicion and public scorn, Jennifer Buchanan denies killing daughter Nevaeh

"Has the "tattletale" been identified? Questioned by police? What about the second child who appeared at the door looking for Neveah? I certainly don't want to know their names or any other identifying information (other than the most generic, i.e., an 8-year-old neighbor), but just a few simple facts to corroborate Buchanan's account of the events. Also, who called 911? Has the call been confirmed? What time was it received? Any comments from the management office or other witnesses on the scene? Did anyone talk to Jennifer or Neveah between 3:30-ish when they left the upstairs neighbor's apartment and 6:30? What happened from 6:30-8:15 when it seems the 911 call was made?

Until some of those questions are answered, Buchanan's story remains highly speculative."

His reply stated that he was not doing a follow-up, as he was only brought in to do the one story. Said they were great questions, and he would pass them along to the other writers.

So why would reporters overlook such crucial questions? They've hovered around the family and the apartment complex for weeks. Surely they've learned more than has been reported. Because, imo, to do so won't serve in the best interest of the various media outlets. Public outrage against the mother is keeping the story alive. So for the time being, they're going to sit on any information that will exonerate her while she, in turns, flip-flops her way across the tabloid circus, uh, I mean circuit.

[nervous_nellie]

I'm still wondering about that myself. We know the little boy upstairs exists because we've seen his dad on tv talking about how upset he is. But nothing to back up this "tattletale" child coming in at 6:30pm to report Nevaeh riding the scooter outside.

Another inconsistency I noticed was she orginally said she was watching "Jon & Kate" show on tv then last night said she was sitting on the sofa thinking about what to fix for dinner. She also added the Nevaeh came in and got a popsicle to the story.


yeah - this popsicle is bugging me. i dont have kids so maybe this is normal, but how did nevaeh get the popsicle on her own, if jb cant even get up to get her a popsicle im sure she was not thinking about dinner, im suprised that she hasnt tried to say that nevaeh cooked dinner too!? the way she has consistently described nevaeh is like she is 10 years old...i dont believe much of anything she has said, its just way weird.

[pittsburghgirl]

Mark McClish, on his statement analysis website, offers ways to look at statement to ferret out the lies. http://www.statementanalysis.com/lying/

About a half an hour after she went outside. I had a really good friend of mine and her daughter stay the night with us. And my good friend`s daughter came in and she said, Nevaeh`s outside riding her scooter in the road.

That`s when I immediately got up and I looked for my shoes. It took a couple of minutes, a few minutes to look for my shoes. And then after that, I went outside and I noticed that she was missing and called her name.

She's lying #1: She "immediately" got up and looked for her shoes. Why would she need shoes to open the door and tell Nevaeh to get off the road and come in? The "immediately" is JB wanting us to think she was right on it; the shoe thing? too many details. It's only relevant to her because the next part of her story is going to be a 45 minute outdoor search. She'll need those shoes.

She's lying #2: She says, "And then after that, I went outside and I noticed that she was missing and called her name." If you went outside to call your child, you wouldn't "notice she was missing." You would say, "I looked outside but I couldn't see her. So I called her name." She can't be "missing" at this point from the perspective of a mother who is recounting a true story of what happened. She is just not in sight. You would call her name BEFORE concluding she is missing, not after. And you would look around the apartment and neighborhood before thinking that a child is missing.

She's lying #3: Notice the whole set of sentence fragments that follow, leaving the first person pronoun out. "Looked through," "Went to,"...where is the "I"? No one recounting such a story would fragment this way; someone really remembering would say, "I looked, I went, I..." And where is this good friend and her daughter? Why is she alone looking for the child? She spends 45 minutes looking and doesn't get help, at least not in this version of the story. Please.

She's lying #4. McClish talks about unusual statements, weird fragments and screwed up sentences that are caused when people make up stuff on the fly instead of remembering it. Here's a doozy: "Yes, because she told me she was going back upstairs to her friend`s house. And that`s assuming where she went." First, if the transcript is correct, this statement is an answer to NG pushing on that timeline, the one that keeps moving, probably because the time of death is going to be a problem. What does the timeline have to do with what Nevaeh told her? The question and answer don't jibe. And look at that fragment, which does not at all connect to the sentence before. She wants to say, "I assumed that's where she went." Switching the verb tense from the past (normal story telling) to the present progressive (assuming) is one indicator of lying. The statement is radically true from another viewpoint: "And that's assuming" again leaves out the first person--she doesn't say "I assumed" because she DIDN"T assume Nevaeh went upstairs. She knows that the child didn't go upstairs. "That's assuming" is a phrase we use when we are in the present and talking about some variable in our calculations. E.g., "We'll have enough money for a new roof. That's assuming that Joe still has a job in the fall." In her story, she is literally "assuming" that Nevaeh went upstairs; otherwise, she can't account for why she didn't pay attention to her other than to either admit negligence or that the scooter story isn't true. Boxed in, she tells a story that "assumes" the child went upstairs.

She's lying #5: ”I have never left her alone with him," said Jennifer, “There was always another parent with her and him.” As kiki noted above, this is a bizarre statement. Another parent? What a normal person would say is "another adult." But here she is making up "another parent" when there clearly can't be one. Unless there is another "daddy" like 'Daddy George."

And McClish says saying "I'm innocent" or "not guilty" (legal terms) is not the same thing as saying "I didn't kill my daugher" or "I don't know who killed her."

[pittsburghgirl]

yeah - this popsicle is bugging me. i dont have kids so maybe this is normal, but how did nevaeh get the popsicle on her own, if jb cant even get up to get her a popsicle im sure she was not thinking about dinner, im suprised that she hasnt tried to say that nevaeh cooked dinner too!? the way she has consistently described nevaeh is like she is 10 years old...i dont believe much of anything she has said, its just way weird.

Heh. Just easier to call Nevaeh a liar who claims not to be hungry--even though she is eating a popsicle in this preposterous story. I rarely use smilies, but....
:liar:

There should be a "pants on fire" smilie.

[Donjeta]

I don't find the popsicle odd. My kids don't need me to get them from the freezer for them and I'm sure they would prefer one over some of my cooking. It just sounds to me like JB maybe wasn't that keen on cooking the dinner and making sure it's routinely on the table at the same time each night and they do snacks and fix something more only when it's becoming obvious that everyone's very hungry. I have been known to do it too so I'm not blaming her too much but "she lies about hunger" was a strange way to phrase it. I bet most parents have had their kids say they're not hungry or tired when it's blind obvious that they must be, but it would rarely be called lying and would be recognized as the child's difficulty to recognize the sensations or reluctance to stop playing instead of dishonesty.

It's possible she might have brought the whole thinking about dinner thing up because she got criticized about sitting on the couch watching Jon and Kate and thought sitting on the couch thinking about dinner would be a more good-mom thing to do.

[kiki the parrot]

*IF* this mother were for w/e reason (hypothetically speaking) responsible for her own daughter's death, (ie after toileting "accident" we've heard about, jealousy, resentment at responsibility, or other reasons proposed) it's next to impossible for me to imagine her managing this disposal herself. Yet I can't for the life of me fathom anyone being willing to risk being an accessory either--even within this nefarious circle. That's the hitch in what would otherwise seem an almost perfect setup. A mom loses her temper, then stages a cover-up to appear as though clothing were removed, an empty beer can etc suggesting a crime motivated by sexual abuse that was perpetrated by male(s). Her flat affect is unshakable, and not making it easy to perceive her as a victim. Either this mom's been severely traumatized herself, or she's one cool customer.

Pittsburghgirl: ITA Your application of McClish's statement analysis is really insightful and right on target IMO.

:parrot:

[Facts given]

http://www.wxyz.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=20980@wxyz.dayport.com

In this report, after she walked out of the nancy Grace show,
JB says NG got it all wrong, 'and she actually saw her daughter twice'.:bang:

Holly also says here, 'she's not pregnant'

[azwriter]

I was floored too. I guess she could have been trying to make her story sound better so that she doesn't look as neglectful (didn't work very well, IMO). I don't quite understand why she is pointing fingers at GK and "girlfriend" when in the beginning she thought that he had nothing to do with it.

It's like this - if Jennifer is having trouble with a changing timeline it's because she wasn't paying any attention to her daughter's whereabouts. I think she's never paid much attention to what her daughter was doing or going. As long as Nevaeh wasn't crying, whinning or asking for something, it was status quo for Jeniffer.
Whatever we hear from Jeniffer about the events surrounding her daughter's disappearance is not the facts but Jeniffer's attempt to cover any criticism about her parenting skills. I think she's more than a little shocked that so many people are pointing out her obviouslack of care for this five year old.
I think Jennifer has only been back into her child's life a few months since her own mother has custody of Nevaeh and has since Jennifer was doing time in jail for her home invasion crime.
If what I hear, that she committed the home invasion in order to support her drug habit, we can be sure Jennifer has never had an active role in caring for her little girl in the past. And, we have no idea how well the grandmother was doing as a caretaker. I suppose the grandmother, who was holding a job, was relying on Jennifer to keep an eye on Nevaeh while she was working. And, it's easy to see that Jennifer, for whatever reason, was not interested in caring for her daughter.
A babysitter would have given more attention to Nevaeh than her mother did.
None of this makes Jennifer guilty of killing her daughter, or even knowing who committed this crime but it does point out that Jeniffer did little to look out for the welfare of her daughter.
We will never hear an exact timeline of events prior to Nevaeh's disappearance from Jeniffer.
jmo

[Chilly Willy]

I agree, AZ. I think Jennifer was totally ignoring her daughter and is trying to rewrite history to make herself look better. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she's starting to believe her own stories.

[concentric]

Doesn't it strike you as pathetically ironic that she was watching "John and Kate plus 8" where these people were trying to take care of 8 children while she's in the act of deliberately not attending to just 1 child?

[DotsEyes]

Mom also said she "found the scooter and haven't seen her since".

The analysis hereinabove is spot on. Mom didn't have a clue as to where Neveah was from the moment she walked out the door and didn't bother to find out until her overnight guest's daughter tattled and even then she searched for her shoes for 20 minutes when another child knocked and asked Neveah's whereabouts.

6:30 Neveah leaves the house with a popsicle.
7:00 Child tattles. Neveah is still around.
7:20 Second child knocks on door. Neveah is no where to be seen.
8:00 call to GK
8:15 call to 911.

According to mom's timeline, Neveah disappeared between 7 and 7:20pm.

The last independant witness to see Neveah alive is the child that had just spent the night at JB's with her own mother.

IMHO, the person who buried Neveah was resigned to the fact that his life was over. He threw the can of the last beer he would drink for a very, very long time into the haphazard concrete grave. It is symbolic. With her death he was doomed. His immediate destiny was set whether she was found or not. He anticipated that his actions would be scrutinized and he would lose his freedom. It shows.

There is a reason he thought he would be scrutinized and it is because he is associated with Neveah and her family and would be questioned as a matter of routine.

So where was everyone between 7 and 7:20? Is this about the same time GK was out of his GF's mother's house in a borrowed car driving parolees to the jail for visits?

[Bluesky#1]

If Nevaeh told JB where she had intending to go when she left the apartment after attending to her personal needs, I wonder why NB didn't go home and tell JB when she was intending to go outside when she left Kuhn's apartment? rystal Kuhn should be able to fill in the details. Do we know how long JB's friend and her daughter visited at the Buchanan home? I am puzzled as to why Nevaeh and JB's friend's daughter weren't playing together that afternoon yet later JB says the girl came in to say NB was driving her scooter on the road.