London, ON: Jennifer Sinn

[WhyaDuck?]

In case you hadn't heard (and I couldn't find a thread here for it - please move/link if I missed it), there is a bizarre case in London that has come out the past couple of days - a 32-year-old mother was found to have hidden the remains of a baby in her basement. I believe she was charged with failure to report a dead body, and mistreating human remains. It is not clear that she committed murder, but just concealed the death.

Well, now the case gets weirder.

Today, the results of the ME report is saying there were actually THREE dead babies in the basement... Very strange case.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/09/9736411.html

The news is still pretty sketchy, but I'm waiting to hear new developments, particularly how the babies died.

Anyone think they might have died of some sort of natural cause, and she went out of her mind with grief? The increase of the number to three kind of makes that harder to believe, for me - what do you think?
:confused:

[WhyaDuck?]

More articles found here:

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/index.html?subject=Jennifer+Sinn&type=Person

[WhyaDuck?]

Also, there seems to be some haziness over whether this woman really was the mother of the dead baby/babies. Any further info on this?

I wonder how many missing infants there are in the area of London? That will be a tough one to wonder about until (a) my above question is cleared up, and (b) the time frame is determined.

[Paintr]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/06/09/9736761.html

LONDON, Ont. - The remains of three infants — not one – were found in the basement of a London home, an autopsy has revealed.

Police said the remains of all three infants were in advanced stages of decomposition.

Jennifer Sinn, 32, a woman who lived at the home until recently, is in custody charged with concealing the body of a child and offering an indignity to a body.

They say the investigation into manner of death is ongoing. I wonder if more charges will be added.

[gaia227]

It will be interesting when and if people who know Jennifer start talking. Did they ever see her pregnant? Did they ever see her with any children? I have been looking in the comments of the news articles but haven't seen any postings that offer any info.

[WhyaDuck?]

It will be interesting when and if people who know Jennifer start talking. Did they ever see her pregnant? Did they ever see her with any children? I have been looking in the comments of the news articles but haven't seen any postings that offer any info.

The news reports have been really sketchy, which is weird considering the oddity of the case.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/09/9736411.html

The woman, Jennifer Sinn, 32, was originally arrested on Saturday and released on conditions after what was thought to be the remains of one baby were found in the basement of 1302 Standford Street

Sinn was re-arrested today after police discovered they are dealing with three, not one, infant remains.




More charges are expected, said London Police Supt. Ken Heslop.

[Paintr]

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1677957

neighbourhood say they are shocked and disturbed by news that the remains of three infants were discovered in a box in the basement of a neighbour's home.


"We hardly spoke to those people at all, they were really recluse," said Karen Elliott, a mother of three. Ms. Elliott said she lived next door to Jennifer Sinn, 32, who has been charged with three counts of concealing the body of a child and three counts of offering an indignity to a dead human body in connection with deaths of the infants.

[Paintr]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/06/09/infant-remains-london060909.html

Police were called to the home in the city's northeast on Saturday after the current resident found remains of what was believed to be an infant in advanced stages of decomposition in a bucket in the basement.

[Paintr]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gGAq63lBhqz1xy3YY-40eAUClg_A

Police say the severely decomposed remains of three babies found in a southwestern Ontario home suggest they may have died years ago.

[Reannan]

It shouldn't be too hard to determine if the babies were genetically related to her. Either way - I always find these cases odd because WHY would you KEEP the bodies??? Especially, if they are several years old. Wouldn't you think that at some point, you would have found a place to bury them.....or something??? :waitasec:

[Paintr]

In one of the articles I posted above, they talk about another woman who kept 2 bodies over a period of time. :eek:

[Paintr]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/remains-of-three-infants-found-in-home/article1174680/

Ms. Sinn's lawyer, Jeanine LeRoy, said her client made a brief court appearance Tuesday and was to appear again for a video remand June 19.

Ms. LeRoy, who has also taken on the high-profile defence of one of the two people charged with murder in the disappearance of Victoria Stafford in Woodstock, Ont., said she could not comment further on Ms. Sinn's case.


Ms LeRoy will handle two cases that we are covering here on WS. Guess we will see a lot of her in the news.

[WhyaDuck?]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/remains-of-three-infants-found-in-home/article1174680/

Ms. Sinn's lawyer, Jeanine LeRoy, said her client made a brief court appearance Tuesday and was to appear again for a video remand June 19.

Ms. LeRoy, who has also taken on the high-profile defence of one of the two people charged with murder in the disappearance of Victoria Stafford in Woodstock, Ont., said she could not comment further on Ms. Sinn's case.


Ms LeRoy will handle two cases that we are covering here on WS. Guess we will see a lot of her in the news.

Too bad Vince Li is out of her jurisdiction - otherwise, she could really scoop up the trifecta of notoriety.


Canada's Gloria Allred, I guess.

[jnTexas]

Is aborrtion legal there? Maybe she helped in aborting these babies?

[WhyaDuck?]

Is aborrtion legal there? Maybe she helped in aborting these babies?

Yes, abortion is legal in Ontario - now, at least. We'll have to see how long they've been here. Interesting... we'll see when they can tell us the ages of the babies at death. :waitasec:

[Paintr]

http://www.canada.com/Health/woman+faces+charges+after+more+babies+found+dead/1677868/story.html

Investigators are now trying to piece together the accused’s movements over the last couple of years.

Heslop would not say whether Sinn was previously known to them, but he said investigators are contacting other police forces.

The remains, meanwhile, are being examined at the Centre of Forensic Sciences, in Toronto. Autopsies are scheduled for Thursday.

The findings could lead police to upgrade the charges.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/2009/06/09/9743431.html

Few details were known about Sinn, although family members reached by The London Free Press said she was from Brampton and raised by deaf parents.

She has a brother and a sister. An aunt said Sinn doesn’t have a job and was focused on raising her kids.

“We feel so bad about it. This is a real shock,” said the aunt, who didn’t want to be identified. “She’s such a cute person. We can’t believe it.”

[brighidin]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/06/09/infant-remains-london060909.html

Police were called to the home in the city's northeast on Saturday after the current resident found remains of what was believed to be an infant in advanced stages of decomposition in a bucket in the basement.

I feel bad for the person that found them. And for the babies.

Huh, fancy seeing that lawyer's name again.

[ThoughtElf]

Depending on the charges after the autopsy results, JS could face a number of penalties if found guilty.

Committing an indignity to a dead body carries a maximum sentence of five years.

Neglecting to obtain assistance in childbirth carries a maximum penalty of five years. The charge presumes that a woman gives birth "with intent that the child shall not live or with intent to conceal the birth of as child, fails to make provision for reasonable assistance," according to the Criminal Code of Canada. The charge also includes the provision that the child died or is permanently injured during or just after labour.

Concealing the body of a child carries a maximum sentence of two years.

[Paintr]

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/1126477.html

Sinn’s lawyer, Jeanine LeRoy, said her client made a brief court appearance Tuesday and was to appear again for a video remand June 19.

LeRoy, who has also taken on the high-profile defence of one of the two people charged with murder in the disappearance of Victoria Stafford in Woodstock, Ont., said she could not comment further on Sinn’s case.

A woman who identified herself as Sinn’s sister when contacted at her London, Ont.,-area home said she hadn’t spoken to her sister in 15 years, but would not comment further.

Neighbours said there were three children who, at some point, lived in the home where the babies’ remains were found — two older children and an infant about 12 months old.

[Truthful Lies]

Interesting...and disturbing..if she carried them around for so long, why didn't she take them with her when she moved out...that's the weird part in a string of oddities.

[WhyaDuck?]

Interesting...and disturbing..if she carried them around for so long, why didn't she take them with her when she moved out...that's the weird part in a string of oddities.

That raises a good question - I wonder if those babies have been in that basement since their deaths, or if she did move with them. Perhaps she finally wanted rid of the burden. :(

Ghastly.

[Paintr]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1682192

London police say they are trying to learn all they can about a woman who was charged with concealing the bodies of three infants found decomposing in a basement, and have enlisted the help of investigators from several forces to track her movements over the years.
....

Jeannie LeRoy, a lawyer for Ms. Sinn, said she could not comment on the charges because she did not have permission from her client to speak with the media.

The case was adjourned to June 19 for video remand.

[Paintr]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5huajesmqHu8dHDz-5fAPmtUfKBAA

Police investigating the discovery of the severely decomposed remains of three infants say it could be weeks before an autopsy provides the answers they're seeking.

The ages, genders and causes of death remain a mystery after the remains were found in a London, Ont., home on Saturday. The remains are so badly decomposed that police initially believed they were dealing with only one infant.

An autopsy will be performed in Toronto on Thursday, but London police Det.-Supt. Ken Heslop says it could take weeks to get results.

[ThoughtElf]

All of the articles keep using the term 'infants'. Consistently.

:(

[WhyaDuck?]

All of the articles keep using the term 'infants'. Consistently.

:(

The difference between a late term fetus (abortion, still birth or miscarriage) and a young infant would not be too easy to determine until the results of the autopsy are presented.

A gory detail from my forensic anthropology degree: infant skeletons have about 100 more bones than do adults (around 300!) because things haven't fused yet (not just skull, but leg/joint bones, etc). It is very, very easy to be confused about things if you have three infants (meaning NINE HUNDRED BONES) commingled, depending on the state of decomposition, as even the skulls would fall a part eventually.

Since it was hard to tell how many bodies there were, I assume that this means they were moved several times (likely in a duffel bag of some sort), and shaken around, which would make it super hard to count them out. They likely had to count a specific bone to confirm suspicions of more than one (my old prof recommended sets of ocular ridges). It is also possible, since they didn't say right away that there was more than one baby (as this might have been obvious by 3X the normal amount of material) that some of the bones were broken up or splintered - which would account for the disrespect of human remains charge. It is possible she was hoping that they would disintegrate enough that she could scatter them in a river or woods, or even a garden.

Sorry for the gruesome detail - I don't mean any coldness towards those poor babies; just trying to think about it away from my personal feelings as a mom of a toddler. :(

[WhyaDuck?]

Neglecting to obtain assistance in childbirth carries a maximum penalty of five years. The charge presumes that a woman gives birth "with intent that the child shall not live or with intent to conceal the birth of as child, fails to make provision for reasonable assistance," according to the Criminal Code of Canada. The charge also includes the provision that the child died or is permanently injured during or just after labour.


Unassisted child birth is becoming quite the trend these days - I wonder how women deal with the legalities of it.

http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/articles/pregnancy/unassistedbirth/index.php

Edit: I guess unassisted homebirth of the "natural lifestyle" kind doesn't follow with "intent that the child shall not live," and I am sure they have some sort of arrangement with a midwife/hospital in case of emergency, which would avoid the "fails to make provision for reasonable assistance" issue. I doubt they would be prosecuted, in any case, unless it turns out really wrong.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/10/9746041-sun.html

Experts could have a very hard time pinpointing when the three babies found dead in a London basement actually died, a forensic anthropologist says.

"It really depends on the environment the remains are in -- in a house, buried, outside, what was the temperature, the climate, was it in an air-conditioned house or an old basement? It can all affect the time of decomposition," said Martin Evison, a forensic anthropologist at the University of Toronto, speaking generally about human decomposition.

[WhyaDuck?]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/10/9746041-sun.html

Experts could have a very hard time pinpointing when the three babies found dead in a London basement actually died, a forensic anthropologist says.

"It really depends on the environment the remains are in -- in a house, buried, outside, what was the temperature, the climate, was it in an air-conditioned house or an old basement? It can all affect the time of decomposition," said Martin Evison, a forensic anthropologist at the University of Toronto, speaking generally about human decomposition.

A lot of forensic anthro's understanding of decomposition rates come from actually timing the decomposition of pigs or other similar flesh - and this is done by controlling the environmental variables. If the bodies have been moved in and out of various containers and climates, it will be even harder to tell. Also, decomposition rates vary according to many other factors - like wounds, and how chubby the person was at death. Also, other factors, such as lime and water, are hugely influential.

It is very true that these things are hard to pinpoint, and all we can expect is a ball park estimate based on witness testimony and the investigation of the home/bodies. I really hope people just tell the truth on this one.

I wonder, did the babies have names?

[mysteriew]

It seems like there are 2 or 3 of these every year. The mother 'collects' her deceased children's remains. Then at some point she either moves away like she has forgottent them, or she dies and they are later found.

Most of the time the autopsy won't be able to identify the cause of death. About the best they can determine after this much time will be whatever she tells them happened. Usually the mother's will say that the children were miscarried, stillborn or died soon after birth. There won't be enough left of them to determine if they ever took a breath. A lot of times the mothers will say they couldn't afford the burial costs or they weren't ready to give up their baby. Since they are usually found in either the attic or the basement and not buried, I suspect the second. They want them close enough to be able to get to them, and actually see them.

[WhyaDuck?]

It seems like there are 2 or 3 of these every year. The mother 'collects' her deceased children's remains. Then at some point she either moves away like she has forgottent them, or she dies and they are later found.

Most of the time the autopsy won't be able to identify the cause of death. About the best they can determine after this much time will be whatever she tells them happened. Usually the mother's will say that the children were miscarried, stillborn or died soon after birth. There won't be enough left of them to determine if they ever took a breath. A lot of times the mothers will say they couldn't afford the burial costs or they weren't ready to give up their baby. Since they are usually found in either the attic or the basement and not buried, I suspect the second. They want them close enough to be able to get to them, and actually see them.

I assumed that it was a matter of grief at first, but the fact that there are three of them seem kind of excessive to me, IMO.

[mysteriew]

I assumed that it was a matter of grief at first, but the fact that there are three of them seem kind of excessive to me, IMO.

I read something about this a long time ago. Seems like there is difficulty in grieving the child, maybe some shame or guilt (unwed pregnancy sometimes or because they couldn't afford or didn't go to the doctor or because they couldn't afford the burial, they were ambivalent about the pregnancy.) Then the baby dies. That increases the shame or guilt and at the same time they are grieving the loss of the baby.

They keep the child close and may visit it. And most that I have seen there are usually two or more babies found, often together. Family usually doesn't know.

[WhyaDuck?]

I read something about this a long time ago. Seems like there is difficulty in grieving the child, maybe some shame or guilt (unwed pregnancy sometimes or because they couldn't afford or didn't go to the doctor or because they couldn't afford the burial, they were ambivalent about the pregnancy.) Then the baby dies. That increases the shame or guilt and at the same time they are grieving the loss of the baby.

They keep the child close and may visit it. And most that I have seen there are usually two or more babies found, often together. Family usually doesn't know.

I really hope you're right, as that would turn this from "real crime" to pathos, which is better. However, until they find out what has happened to her one year old daughter who no one has seen for a while, I am still nervous. (Though the fact that the charges do not include murder, I am leaning towards miscarriage/still birth - though three is still an awful lot.)

[Paintr]

[URL="http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/11/9758251-sun.html"]http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/11/9758251-sun.html[/URL


]While police were still awaiting results of autopsies on the remains, which were scheduled to begin today in Toronto, charge sheets filed in court indicate authorities believe Jennifer Sinn, 32, was the mother.

They also believe the babies died about the years 2001, 2002 and 2006 and that their remains were placed "in a storage tote box," the documents say.

[Truthful Lies]

Just a thought...I think that the public is not quite-so-outraged yet, because, deep down, we can all imagine grief not being processed in the "right" way...have seen it...or maybe experienced it ourselves...and some just have different ways. 3 is excessive...but I really hope it was a mental health issue rather than a crime....

[ThoughtElf]

I assumed that it was a matter of grief at first, but the fact that there are three of them seem kind of excessive to me, IMO.

I'm still stumbling over the fact that it was reported that 3 young children lived with her at one time. Not the teen and the elder child, but three infants. Where are they?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5huajesmqHu8dHDz-5fAPmtUfKBAA

"O'Quinn said she didn't see the residents of the home at 1302 Sandford St. often, but like many neighbours, remembers seeing three young children, none older than two years old, who they believe lived in the house."

[WhyaDuck?]

I'm still stumbling over the fact that it was reported that 3 young children lived with her at one time. Not the teen and the elder child, but three infants. Where are they?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5huajesmqHu8dHDz-5fAPmtUfKBAA

"O'Quinn said she didn't see the residents of the home at 1302 Sandford St. often, but like many neighbours, remembers seeing three young children, none older than two years old, who they believe lived in the house."

Yes, the one year old who hasn't been seen in a while, for instance. I can only assume that LE has tracked the tots down, or else murder charges would be applied, as well (?).

Man, I am hoping for miscarriage grief. Really, given this nasty situation, it's the best we can hope for.

[Paintr]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/06/11/babies-deaths.html

A senior police official says investigators are actively exploring the possibility that the three infants whose remains were found in a London, Ont., home on Saturday did not die there.

Det.-Supt. Ken Heslop said it's possible the deaths occurred in another Ontario community before Jennifer Sinn, the woman charged in the case, moved to London.

[Paintr]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1685676

An autopsy being performed today at Toronto's Centre of Forensic Sciences could help determine the exact ages and gender of the infants, along with how the died, but police say the results of some testing will not be available for weeks.

[Paintr]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hCmcjs4ljq3x9N5pRLokZ4DD2lsQ

The autopsies at Ontario's Center of Forensic Sciences began Thursday and were ongoing, said London police spokeswoman Const. Amy Phillipo.

Investigators had not received any test results back from the lab, she added.

[Paintr]

http://www.timescolonist.com/Dead+babies+from+different+rpegnancies+Documents/1685876/story.html

Police believe the three dead infants discovered in the basement of a London, Ont., home were born on different occasions, according to court documents.


The information filed against Jennifer Sinn appears to indicate that investigators believe she gave birth to one baby in or after 2001, another baby in or after 2002 and a third infant in or after 2006.

[Truthful Lies]

Paintr, thanks for all the updates...you're a doll =)

[Paintr]

Paintr, thanks for all the updates...you're a doll =)

Aw Shucks! It t'wern't nuthin'. :)

BTW I love your avatar.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/12/9777776.html

London police chief Murray Faulkner plans to hold a news conference Monday to discuss the investigation into the remains of three infants discovered in a basement on Sandford Street June 6.

[mysteriew]

I really hope you're right, as that would turn this from "real crime" to pathos, which is better. However, until they find out what has happened to her one year old daughter who no one has seen for a while, I am still nervous. (Though the fact that the charges do not include murder, I am leaning towards miscarriage/still birth - though three is still an awful lot.)

The same situation can apply if she had killed or aborted the babies, as if the babies died of other causes. I just mean that because the babies were found in the cellar, it isn't a clear indication that it was murder.

[Paintr]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/woman-accused-of-hiding-dead-babies-lived-in-shelter/article1180763/

A woman accused of keeping the decomposing remains of her infant children into a storage box was living in a shelter for abused women and children when she was arrested.

The Clarke Road shelter that 32-year-old Jennifer Sinn listed as her address in London, Ont., is part of Women's Community House, Canada's largest high-security emergency shelter for abuse victims.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/13/9785181-sun.html

Police are expected to reveal Monday some results of autopsies on the bodies of three infants found in a bag in the basement of a London home a week ago.

The autopsies were held Thursday into the infant deaths which led to charges against Jennifer Sinn, 32, whom police allege gave birth to the babies in 2001, 2002 and 2006.

[Paintr]

http://southwesternontario.ctv.ca/news.php?id=4889

London police Chief William Faulkner will brief the media today on the remains of three infants found in a home.

[Paintr]

http://www.myfmradio.ca/1057/wire/news/5280068_News_Conference_Regarding_Three_Dead_Infan ts_094945.php

She briefly appeared in court Tuesday and is being held in custody until her next court appearance, scheduled for June 19. Police will address media at 10:30am in London.

[Paintr]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hCLiPOQsAChzM91OCjQ33bodlDYw

He said it will probably be months before any firm conclusions can be reached.

Faulkner said there was no sign of trauma on the bodies, but added that a homicide investigation is still taking place.
....

Faulkner says the case has "peculiar twists and turns" and that the advanced state of decomposition is "part of the problem."

[Paintr]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090615/infants_remains_090615/20090615?hub=Canada

Faulkner also said the investigation is far from over and that police are awaiting further results from the autopsies. They are also looking at "the full circumstances" related to when the children died.

[Paintr]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1697832

The remains of three babies found in the basement of a London, Ont. home were of "near, to full term" infants, an autopsy has found.




http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/06/15/london-babies.html

Faulkner said the autopsy has determined that the bodies were disposed of between December 2001 and June 2009. The autopsy did not determine the gender or parentage of the infants, though police say they expect forensic examinations to turn up more information in the coming months.

"We have been advised that it will probably take months to do a determination on those two [gender and parentage] specific items," the chief told reporters.

Faulkner said the police haven't made a decision yet on whether homicide charges are warranted. He would only say that the invesigation is "ongoing."

[WhyaDuck?]

"Forensic tests on three infants inconclusive
Advanced decomposition is making it difficult to determine the cause of death, ages or genders of three babies found in the basement of a home in London, Ont."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/forensic-tests-on-three-infants-inconclusive/article1182408/

The sex of the babies would be very hard to tell, and COD is difficult if there is no skeletal trauma. This case really will come down to the mother's truthfullness, I think.

[Paintr]

http://www.northpeel.com/news/article/71055

Police say the babies may not have been carried to full term and the remains may have been in the container between three and eight years.

Sinn grew up in Brampton, raised by deaf parents. She started having babies as a teenager. She was pregnant in high school, and had a child, Tyler, at the age of 16. Three years later, at age 19, she had her second child, Matthew, this time delivered at home in her townhouse on Baronwood Court. Her father, Edwin, helped with the January 1996 early delivery.

[Paintr]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2009/06/15/9801861-cp.html

"People have been asking us, 'Is this a homicide?"' he said.

"Well, our investigation is still going on today, regarding not only the findings of the bodies but the full circumstances in relation to when the infants died."

In addition to the three infants who are allegedly Sinn's, she had three other children with her now ex-boyfriend, said Faulkner, adding they are being looked after by family members.

[Paintr]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/16/Autopsies-Little-new-on-infants-remains/UPI-27121245154119/

At a news conference Monday, Police Chief Murray Faulkner told reporters the autopsies on the remains included examinations by a Toronto pathologist and anthropologist. Because of advanced decomposition, they weren't able to determine the genders or ages of the babies, he said.

http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=46e18527-19ec-4b28-a23a-cc8909ef0397

"This case has lots of peculiar twists and turns," Faulkner said. "To begin with, like most accused who are spoken to by police, they are helpful but a point comes in the investigation where the information stops and that's where we are today," the chief said.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/16/9809171-sun.html

He said the investigation is far from over.

"There's more criminal investigation we need to do as well as significant autopsy examinations that have to be conducted," he said.

He encouraged any of Sinn's family and friends with information to contact police.

[Paintr]

http://www.londontopic.ca/article.php?artid=14740

Faulkner confirmed the suspect did temporarily reside at Women's Community House, a shelter in London for abused women, but stressed that many people stay there for reasons other than abuse and there are no charges of abuse in relation to Sinn that police are aware of or that are before the London courts

....

The question of self-abortion was raised by members of the media, to which Faulkner responded, "We don't know. We don't have evidence to indicate that is or is not the case."

When asked if there were any other suspects being considered in the investigation, Faulkner responded, "The investigation is still ongoing and you can read into that what you want."

[Paintr]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/06/17/9822131-sun.html

Sinn gave birth to her first child, Tyler, when she was 16, former Baronwood Court neighbours said yesterday. Three years later, she gave birth to another boy, Matthew.

According to one neighbour, both boys were born at home.

Media reports at the time of her second son's birth indicated Sinn had intended to give birth at Peel Memorial Hospital, but the baby came three days early.

[WhyaDuck?]

Here's an interesting case that may (or may not) shed some light on this case:

"It came to light when Jean-Louis Courjault found the bodies of two babies in the freezer, at the family's home in the South Korean capital, Seoul. Mrs Courjault was on holiday in France at the time, and refused to go back.

In the run-up to her trial, it seems that every leading pregnancy expert in France has been interviewed by the media - and suddenly people here are no longer talking about premeditated murder, they are talking about an intriguing psychological condition called pregnancy denial.

The figures the paper gave were startling - every year in France, between 1,600 and 2,000 women apparently suffer from pregnancy denial, and at least 230 discover or admit they're pregnant only at the moment they give birth."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8104195.stm

[Paintr]

Here's an interesting case that may (or may not) shed some light on this case:

"It came to light when Jean-Louis Courjault found the bodies of two babies in the freezer, at the family's home in the South Korean capital, Seoul. Mrs Courjault was on holiday in France at the time, and refused to go back.

In the run-up to her trial, it seems that every leading pregnancy expert in France has been interviewed by the media - and suddenly people here are no longer talking about premeditated murder, they are talking about an intriguing psychological condition called pregnancy denial.

The figures the paper gave were startling - every year in France, between 1,600 and 2,000 women apparently suffer from pregnancy denial, and at least 230 discover or admit they're pregnant only at the moment they give birth."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8104195.stm

Thank you kindly for the info, Pearseha. Talk about refusing to see what is right under your nose! :eek:

I have a difficult time wrapping my mind around the pregnancy denial stats. Seems as if this could become a convenient claim. I am sure it happens but at such numbers?

[WhyaDuck?]

Thank you kindly for the info, Pearseha. Talk about refusing to see what is right under your nose! :eek:

I have a difficult time wrapping my mind around the pregnancy denial stats. Seems as if this could become a convenient claim. I am sure it happens but at such numbers?

Oh, I know. I figured this would be a 30-at-most thing, with the mothers being really, really young or quite "old" - women who mistake pregnancy for menopause, which I know does happen. But, yes, the numbers here seem excessive - but only about 200 make it all the way without realizing, the article says.

I knew I was pregnant the week it happened - but, then, I wanted a baby and was happy about it. There is definitely a major psyche issue in this case - I was just throwing it out there in case it's the same thing with Sinn.

[nobodyzgirl]

Wasn't she due in court today via video conference?

[Girlygirl1]

French mother got 8 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8108317.stm

[WhyaDuck?]

EDMONTON — The jury is still out in the case of Katrina Effert, an Alberta woman who was 19 years old when she gave birth alone in her parent's basement and then strangled her baby with a pair of orange thong underwear.

Jurors retired to deliberate Thursday shortly after 5 p.m.

Effert is charged with second-degree murder, but has admitted to the lesser included offence of infanticide.


http://www.canada.com/news/Jury+deliberating+Alta+baby+murder+case/1713506/story.html

[Paintr]

Wasn't she due in court today via video conference?

http://www.cjbk.com/news/565/946905

Her lawyer requested the case be put over to July 16.... as she is looking for more disclosure in the case.

Remember her lawyer is Ms LeRoy, the same lawyer who is representing one of the accused in the Tori S case.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/19/9853736.html

Jennifer Sinn, 32, identified herself and said nothing more during the minutes-long appearance.

The petite Sinn wore a jail-issue black sweatshirt. Her dark brown hair was parted in the middle and pulled into a ponytail.

[nobodyzgirl]

Thanks Paintr for the update. I do remember she is the same lawyer representing TLM.

[Paintr]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/06/20/9868791-sun.html


Dead babies case put over to July 16



Two women sat among a group of reporters in the cramped courtroom. One of them was identified as Sinn's mother. The other was a sign language interpreter.

[nobodyzgirl]

any news on what's going on with this case?

[WhyaDuck?]

Bail hearing in baby remains case set over
Sat, August 8, 2009

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/08/08/10397071-sun.html



London Woman Stuck in Jail Till End of Month
Posted by Jen Waumsley

http://cd989.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=17190

[WhyaDuck?]

A publication ban was imposed on evidence presented at the hearing on Friday. Jennifer Sinn, 32, faces three charges of causing an indignity to a human body and three of disposing of a child's body.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jwlQ4RUdbd4xeXC_KTE8oakXN3cQ

[Paintr]

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/national/article/56467--woman-accused-of-hiding-bodies-of-three-dead-infants-to-attend-bail-hearing

Woman Accused Of Hiding Bodies Of Three Dead Infants To Attend Bail Hearing

A woman accused of hiding the bodies of three dead infants inside her London home will attend a bail hearing on Wednesday.

The decision was supposed to come down on August 26, but the hearing for the 32-year-old woman ran long.

If she is granted bail, the conditions cannot be made public due to a publication ban.

[Paintr]

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/national/article/56467--woman-accused-of-hiding-bodies-of-three-dead-infants-granted-bail

A woman accused of hiding the bodies of three dead infants inside her London home was granted bail on Wednesday

...

Most of the conditions cannot be made public due to a publication ban. Bail was set at $50,000.







http://www.cjbk.com/news/565/985823

Jennifer Sinn was granted 50-thousand dollars bail this morning but faces a few strict conditions.

....



The 32 year old will now make her next court appearence on October 8th.

[Paintr]

http://www.theobserver.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1727875

Hanging on to her own father's arm, the London mother charged after three dead infants were found in her basement had her first taste of freedom in three months yesterday.

Since June, Jennifer Sinn, 32, had been in custody facing three counts of causing an indignity to a dead body and three counts of disposing of a child's body with intent to conceal delivery. Yesterday, she quickly left the London courthouse with her father, Erwin Sinn, one of two sureties contributing to her $50,000 bail. But the decision by Ontario Court Justice of the Peace Stewart Taylor will have further scrutiny. Acting Middlesex Crown attorney Mary Potter said the prosecution would seek a bail review. "We will be reviewing the decision," she said.

[Paintr]

http://www.londontopic.ca/article.php?artid=15742

But while the examination was able to determine the stage of development of the three infants, the gender, cause of deaths, and parental heritage has still not been confirmed, and could take months of DNA and forensic testing before all questions are answered, Faulkner said back in June.

"That's primarily due to the significant decomposition of the bodies," Faulkner said. However, police believe, and have evidence to suggest that Sinn was the mother of the deceased babies. In addition, the autopsy found no evidence of any trauma on the decomposed remains.

[Paintr]

http://www.northpeel.com/news/article/75741

The decision to grant the woman $50,000 bail came from Ontario Court Justice of the Peace Stewart Taylor in a London court. Sinn’s mother and father are the two sureties contributing to the bail.

Reports indicate acting Middlesex Crown attorney Mary Potter will seek a bail review, with a tentative date marked for Sept. 16.

While on bail, Sinn will reside with her mother in London and is ordered to remain at the residence at all times unless accompanied by one or both of her parents.

The mother of four is not allowed to communicate with her children, under a Family Court order. She is also forbidden to have communication with her boyfriend, Mike Marquette and his immediate family.

[Paintr]

http://media.northpeel.topscms.com/images/dd/58/1ba67b21401d82914db5e9da0b3e.jpeg

Peel Regional Police constable Mark Bennett sits with Jennifer Sinn, then 19, and her three-day-old baby, Matthew, in Brampton on Jan. 9, 1996. Bennett helped deliver the child.