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believe09
07-01-2009, 02:24 PM
An appeal from NB on behalf of BK
I received an email from NB regarding the 5 year anniversary of BK's discovery:
(snipped)
I am writing because August 31, 2009 marks the 5th anniversary since the man we have come to know as Benjaman Kyle was attacked and left for dead behind the Burger King in Richmond Hill, Georgia. That is only two short months away. Benjaman still suffers from amnesia and still needs our help in discovering his identity.

It would be very helpful if we could drum up some more interest in his case, such as television and newspaper coverage, America’s Most Wanted, Geraldo, Nancy Grace and any other programs that will result in national exposure. Benjaman is a very intelligent man with a deeply entrenched work ethic. Someone out there has worked with him. Someone out there knows him.

If you can do anything to help it will be most appreciated.

believe09
07-01-2009, 02:24 PM
To Whom It May Concern-

It has been five years since "Benjaman Kyle" was located behind a Burger King in Savannah, GA-beaten and unconscious, badly sunburned and left for dead. Initially assumed to be a homeless bum by first responders, staff at Memorial Hospital in Savannah quickly discovered that this intelligent articulate man was suffering from traumatic amnesia. With no recollection of his own name or even a firm recollection of where he had come from, he has been living at the mercy of friends and former caregivers; a "Real Live Nobody" in spite of the best efforts of local police and the FBI to determine his true identity.

Mr. Kyle chose his name based on a belief that the name "Benjaman" held some significance to him and he chose the "Kyle" in order to honor the establishment he was found behind. (BK) His fingerprints have been entered into AFIS, his DNA entered into CODIS, his paternal DNA has been entered into genealogy websites and he has even been featured on the Dr. Phil Show and in the National Enquirer. There have been no solid leads that have uncovered his past and he is unable to work or file for benefits because he cannot prove he is an American citizen.

Won't you please help him by featuring him on your show or even on your website?

It has been five long years of struggle and searching. Five years of living off of others with nothing to give but his kind, generous heart and significant abilities. Please give him a hand and feature him so that someone, anyone, who may know him can come forward and end the nightmare of not knowing who he is and where he belongs.

Media Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjaman_Kyle" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjaman_Kyle
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/wikipedia_icon.gif Benjaman_Kyle

http://savannahnow.com/node/364434 (http://savannahnow.com/node/364434)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147" target="_blank">http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147">http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147

http://lostfacesofthemissing.blogspot.com/2008/09/monday-4-missing-benjaman-kyle.html (http://lostfacesofthemissing.blogspot.com/2008/09/monday-4-missing-benjaman-kyle.html)
http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2009/01/07/using-genetic-genealogy-to-solve-the-mystery-of-benjaman-kyle/ (http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2009/01/07/using-genetic-genealogy-to-solve-the-mystery-of-benjaman-kyle/)
http://www.indy.com/posts/benjaman-kyle-wikipedia-the-free-encyclopedia (http://www.indy.com/posts/benjaman-kyle-wikipedia-the-free-encyclopedia)
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1146 (http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1146)

Thank you for your time and attention!

Sincerely,
Believe09

dreamweaver
07-01-2009, 03:14 PM
You know what would be good is the name of the producers of the television programs. They are the ones in charge, for the most part.
The 'stars' do have input, I know, but I don't know if letters even make it to the star of the show.
Let me check it out more throughly. How to get mail to the right person?

carolwood
07-01-2009, 03:44 PM
I would like to send out letters to these newspapers in Oklahoma:

Miami News Record
Guymon Daily Herald
Alva Review
Edmond Evening Sun
Oklahoma Journal Record
The Oklahoma Constitution
The Oklahoman
Bixby Bulletin
Broken Arrow Daily Ledger
Sand Springs Ledger
Sapulpa Daily Herald
Greater Tulsa Reporter
Tulsa World
Urban Tulsa

If this is okay, I will send in a.m. on July 2. Hopefully we will get some feedback from these newspapers. I can also post online on these sites, I think.

carolwood
07-04-2009, 12:55 PM
I would like to send out letters to these newspapers in Oklahoma:

Miami News Record
Guymon Daily Herald
Alva Review
Edmond Evening Sun
Oklahoma Journal Record
The Oklahoma Constitution
The Oklahoman
Bixby Bulletin
Broken Arrow Daily Ledger
Sand Springs Ledger
Sapulpa Daily Herald
Greater Tulsa Reporter
Tulsa World
Urban Tulsa

If this is okay, I will send in a.m. on July 2. Hopefully we will get some feedback from these newspapers. I can also post online on these sites, I think.
Done!

Cubby
08-04-2009, 06:53 AM
I just finished searching to see if Mr. Kyle has ever been interviewed on Todd Matthews (Mathews?) Missing Pieces radio show. I wasn't able to find an archive radio show, but did see a written article.

Has this been considered? Perhaps Ms. Slater and Mr. Kyle might want to approach this avenue if it doesn't conflict with the documentary. I don't see how they would be in direct competition with each other, and this might give Mr. Kyle an excellent opportunity to verbally share his story, rather than having to 'hen peck' on the keyboard as he describes it.

Thoughts? Anyone with a direct connection to the Doe Network? I'm sure they would love to help out with the 5 year anniversary media blitz.

carolwood
08-04-2009, 12:26 PM
Fox 28
Times-Mail
Chesterton Tribune
Journal Review
Elkhart Truth
Northwest Indiana Times
______________________
All in Indiana

carolwood
08-10-2009, 09:25 AM
AARP Magazine, done!
Senior Citizen Magazine, done!(FinallyMagazine)
The Senior News, done!

carolwood
08-12-2009, 09:29 AM
I have been contacted by the Seniors News, Finally! Magazine. It is the longest running online seniors magazine and is read in 27 countries. Below is a link to get a idea of who they are.

http://www.finallymagazine.com/seniore-living-in-todays-senior-world/contact-us-premier-lifestyle-resource-magazine

believe09
08-18-2009, 08:31 AM
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/932333.html?storylink=pd?storylink=pd

carolwood
08-18-2009, 09:37 AM
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/932333.html?storylink=pd?storylink=pd

Great Article, though no photo. I pray something comes up.

dreamweaver
08-19-2009, 07:50 PM
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/932333.html?storylink=pd?storylink=pd
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Wow.
Good article.
I have been working on BK's situation for almost a year and I did not know some of the details in the news article.

I am working on the theory that there is an answer.
It's taking a while, but I feel BK will know his true name
and identity soon.

ot: otherwise, i will have to start thinking July 8, 1947, Roswell, NM.
(lol)

eeyorelrn
08-20-2009, 04:00 AM
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/932333.html?storylink=pd?storylink=pd

Kyle said he chose the name "Benjaman," with its unique spelling, because he thinks that really is his first name.

Kyle has a few vague, random memories. He believes he was born exactly 10 years before the late pop icon Michael Jackson, and that his true birth date is Aug. 29, 1948.

He thinks he may have two or three brothers, but he doesn't remember anything about them.

Efforts to jog his memory through hypnosis didn't work, in part, he said, because he wasn't comfortable with it.


Is there a way to use this information and do a records search for the areas listed in the article to see if they come up with a hit?

carolwood
08-28-2009, 10:10 PM
I sent out about 200 and upwards of emails to Community Businesses in Richmond, North Vernon and Gary, Indiana. Long shot, but Benjaman may be from small town, Indiana.
I figure Benjaman had to have a eye doctor, tax professional, visit restaurants, maybe go to the museums, etc.
If anyone would like to jump, what I did, is look at the small towns in Indiana at the chamber page, and they have members listed on the sites, click on the sites and find email addresses. There are many, many small towns in Indiana. If you decided you would like to help, please post the cities you are doing, so we don't all send to the same towns, thanks everyone.

dreamweaver
09-01-2009, 09:27 PM
August 31, 2009 came and went. I did not see any news articles about BK. No one has posted that there is an upcoming 20/20 segment.

Did I miss something?

Will there be something this weekend?

I really hoped BK would get national exposure and know his identity at the 5 yr anniversary mark.

believe09
09-04-2009, 08:51 AM
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/family/20691550/detail.html

dreamweaver
09-04-2009, 04:49 PM
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/family/20691550/detail.html
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whoo hoo!!!
:woohoo::clap:

carolwood
09-04-2009, 09:21 PM
I bumped all the topix boards I had in Colorado with the news story.

carolwood
09-05-2009, 12:15 PM
Just got word today that the Seniors Magazine will be running the article in the October issues of the following magazines and syndicated versions also, due to it being a huge campaign in North America and Canada:

www.finallymagazine.com
www.seniorcitizensmagazine.com
www.modernculturemagazine.com
www.babyboomermagazine.com

I am so excited about this exposure along with what is starting on the documentary.

Hope you all enjoy the holiday weekend.

believe09
09-17-2009, 08:48 AM
http://www2.wsav.com/sav/news/crime/article/5_years_later_still_few_clues_to_identity/47916/

dreamweaver
09-17-2009, 11:27 AM
http://www2.wsav.com/sav/news/crime/article/5_years_later_still_few_clues_to_identity/47916/
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Nice summation of all the facts.
Nice to hear Benjaman speak also.

Julessleuther
09-18-2009, 01:32 PM
Great video, but it may me so sad that he said that his chances of finding out are becoming less and less. :(

http://www2.wsav.com/sav/news/crime/article/5_years_later_still_few_clues_to_identity/47916/

Roselvr
10-02-2009, 11:24 AM
Sorry it's been so long since I've logged in..
I got a google email alert, I see there is more interest in Ben.

I just put the blog online today, it is here (http://2004amnesiavictim.blogspot.com/)

Believe, you still have my gmail address.
If something is wrong with the blog, email me it that addy.
My hubby was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago; my time is limited.

I decided to put the blog online without going back over it, so I apologize if something isn't right. I also made his album public - it's all the pictures I had saved of him.

http://tinyurl.com/ybba4m5

Good luck Ben!

dreamweaver
10-02-2009, 02:56 PM
Roselvr: Nice to see on WS again.
So sorry to hear about your husband. Prayers.

carolwood
10-04-2009, 08:36 PM
Article is out in these magazines:

Finally Magazine:
http://www.finallymagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1530-can-you-help-identify-me

Senior Citizens Magazine:
http://www.seniorcitizensmagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1508-can-you-help-identify-me

Modern Culture Magazine:
http://www.modernculturemagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1487-can-you-help-identify-me

Baby Boomer Magazine:
http://www.babyboomermagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1508-can-you-help-identify-me

dreamweaver
10-04-2009, 09:30 PM
Article is out in these magazines:

Finally Magazine:
http://www.finallymagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1530-can-you-help-identify-me

Senior Citizens Magazine:
http://www.seniorcitizensmagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1508-can-you-help-identify-me

Modern Culture Magazine:
http://www.modernculturemagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1487-can-you-help-identify-me

Baby Boomer Magazine:
http://www.babyboomermagazine.com/life-and-style-premier-magazine-finally-magazine-living/social/1508-can-you-help-identify-me
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Nice job, Carolwood!
I was looking forward to these articles!

Now, if only, someone will recognize him.

believe09
10-05-2009, 08:48 AM
Sorry it's been so long since I've logged in..
I got a google email alert, I see there is more interest in Ben.

I just put the blog online today, it is here (http://2004amnesiavictim.blogspot.com/)

Believe, you still have my gmail address.
If something is wrong with the blog, email me it that addy.
My hubby was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago; my time is limited.

I decided to put the blog online without going back over it, so I apologize if something isn't right. I also made his album public - it's all the pictures I had saved of him.

http://tinyurl.com/ybba4m5

Good luck Ben!

I am praying for you guys-you have such a good heart and soul....I hope something extra-ordinary happens for the two of you!!!

dreamweaver
10-06-2009, 02:31 PM
New Facebook page for Benjaman Kyle:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Benjaman-Kyle-The-BK-Doe-Help-Solve-this-Real-Life-Mystery/136039394171?ref=nf

Announcement today that Newsweek is doing a story on BK, publish date to be announced.

YAY!

believe09
10-08-2009, 10:58 AM
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/says-one-fitzpatrick-2597526-dna-case

dreamweaver
10-08-2009, 11:15 AM
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/says-one-fitzpatrick-2597526-dna-case
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I thought is was a good article.
This is one article in a series of articles about Colleen Fitzpatrick, the forensic geneaologist.
This one is about Benjaman Kyle.
I liked the way it was written, a different style than what we have seen before.

I plan to post it on my Facebook page.

Roselvr
10-08-2009, 12:13 PM
Thank you for the prayers, we need them. He has a long, hard road ahead of him.

I've posted everything to my facebook page and will try to keep up with posting what's emailed to me. I appreciate the article (OC Register) sent to me today.

DW, thanks for his facebook page, I've posted that as well.

I'm hoping someone knows who he is.

carolwood
10-11-2009, 12:19 PM
I think we should target the Catholic Churches in all states. I have the list of all the Diocese offices. If someone would like a particular state, put your name on a list here with the states you would like to do. The main states: North Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Colorado, Southern Illinois, and Indiana have already been done.
And, I think what needs to be done, is to gather all these emails addresses to the churches then do a mass mailing(?) but that is jmo.

Here is the link to all the states dioceses offices:
this is a very long list

http://www.parishesonline.com/Scripts/USMap.asp#

Roselvr
10-11-2009, 12:24 PM
Hey, guess what I just thought to do? Forward my comcast email to the email I use every day :)
This is the 1st forwarded email to come through :)

Carol, I'd love to get a mass email going; I think it's a great idea - I've been wanting to do that. Wanted to make sure everything was correct before sending it.

believe09
10-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Before we start another media blitz I want to respectfully suggest that we have a more conservative approach to the recitation of his condition when found. I think it is fair to say that he was found unconscious, I think we have agreed that we will no longer use his lack of attire because it is in poor taste (IIRC) and that he has amnesia which has prevented his ability to recapture the life he had before being found at Burger King. Am I making sense? I do not want the non verified details cluttering up or misdirecting someone who may have relevant information. Even his Wikipedia page states currently (when last I checked anyway) that his field of vision may have been changing because of his cataracts PRIOR to his discovery.

christine2448
10-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Before we start another media blitz I want to respectfully suggest that we have a more conservative approach to the recitation of his condition when found. I think it is fair to say that he was found unconscious, I think we have agreed that we will no longer use his lack of attire because it is in poor taste (IIRC) and that he has amnesia which has prevented his ability to recapture the life he had before being found at Burger King. Am I making sense? I do not want the non verified details cluttering up or misdirecting someone who may have relevant information. Even his Wikipedia page states currently (when last I checked anyway) that his field of vision may have been changing because of his cataracts PRIOR to his discovery.

I agree with you 100%....stick to the facts. Y'all have been 'starting from scratch' and IMO realizing that we don't have ALL the facts here.

Roselvr
10-11-2009, 07:16 PM
Before we start another media blitz I want to respectfully suggest that we have a more conservative approach to the recitation of his condition when found. I think it is fair to say that he was found unconscious, I think we have agreed that we will no longer use his lack of attire because it is in poor taste (IIRC) and that he has amnesia which has prevented his ability to recapture the life he had before being found at Burger King. Am I making sense? I do not want the non verified details cluttering up or misdirecting someone who may have relevant information. Even his Wikipedia page states currently (when last I checked anyway) that his field of vision may have been changing because of his cataracts PRIOR to his discovery.

Perhaps you can make a new post saying that no one send out anything until something can be written, then everyone can copy and paste it into an email.
I feel a new post is the way to go, as well as possibly bumping the existing posts saying to please check this post here before spreading the story.

Im gonna type out things I would change in your new eyes post

Roselvr
10-29-2009, 07:45 AM
Quote from another post


And again, IMO,
I think BK is over 55 years old.
Maybe that is because I am a little over that age myself.

The things he has mentioned, etc., seem more in the over 55 and probably just about 60 generation.

I showed a friend his photo, she thinks 50's.
Even though she's heard me mention him; I don't think she's ever read about him. She's in the North Carolina area.

So, once we get going, if we can some how make it an organized thing, we should try to target as many people/states as we can.

What ever came of the Canada connection?

justthinkin
11-03-2009, 11:01 AM
I have a question, and wasn't sure where to put it. Have fliers on Ben ever been distributed in Georgia & other possible locales at places where the homeless might gather, soup kitchens, bunkhouses, food distribution centers of churches?

Roselvr
11-03-2009, 12:06 PM
I have a question, and wasn't sure where to put it. Have fliers on Ben ever been distributed in Georgia & other possible locales at places where the homeless might gather, soup kitchens, bunkhouses, food distribution centers of churches?


Vetted Leads from AASU Flyer

The Center for Justice Administration at Armstrong University constructed a flyer in late August of 2009, which was distributed via LE channels beginning in September. All of my personal info was on it for contact, so forgive me if I do not post a copy of the flyer here, lol-I could not figure out how to redact it. The preference of NB was that the leads requiring further investigation be forwarded to her and her "team." You will see in this thread that it was relatively easy to vet the majority of them. I wanted you guys to get a sense of what was called in and from where....

carolwood
11-08-2009, 10:26 PM
Has anyone ever contacted DAVID LETTERMAN?
Reason being, I just read he graduated from Broad Ripple High School.

It is part of the Indianapolis Public Schools system.

He is late nite, but what do you think?

Cubby
11-08-2009, 10:54 PM
Has anyone ever contacted DAVID LETTERMAN?
Reason being, I just read he graduated from Broad Ripple High School.

It is part of the Indianapolis Public Schools system.

He is late nite, but what do you think?


Good, no great idea! I think Mr. Kyle has a great sense of humor, not that I am sure he would compete with late night or a comedian, but I think he would he a fantastic guest on Letterman. Though, I'm not normally watching that kind of late night TV. Do you, or anyone think Lettermans audience would be in the right age group for those who may have known Mr. Kyle? I'm in my 40's and I recall friends watching Letterman in back in our 20's.

I want to know why Mr. Kyle had not been featured on HLN, or Nancy Grace? Which makes me think, we should have another 'start from scratch' thread on media avenues which have been contacted.

bam
11-09-2009, 05:28 AM
Has anyone gone to Dateline to feature BK's story?

dreamweaver
11-09-2009, 06:16 AM
Has anyone gone to Dateline to feature BK's story?
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I have contacted Dateline with BK's story. No response.

Whatever happened with the Newsweek story?

Roselvr
11-09-2009, 06:52 AM
I was at Walmart yesterday, Time magazine had an issue with the 50 greatest mysteries ever.

Wondered what we'd have to do to get something like that for Ben

dreamweaver
11-09-2009, 01:45 PM
I was at Walmart yesterday, Time magazine had an issue with the 50 greatest mysteries ever.

Wondered what we'd have to do to get something like that for Ben
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Why do some stories just seem to latch onto the mind of the public?

There have been widely reported reported of people with amnesia, just in the last year or so. Then, their family member sees them and they are found.
But, it just seems like BK has had to really fight to get his story and his face out there.
I mean, it has been 5 years and 2 months.

believe09
11-09-2009, 04:14 PM
This is exactly why I wanted to step back and revisit it all-there is a reason why this has not hit the "circuit" like the AP wire and the biggies. Clearly there is a piece of the puzzle we are missing-I am wondering if the story is being hamstrung at the LE level.

Wendy101
11-10-2009, 12:13 AM
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Why do some stories just seem to latch onto the mind of the public?

There have been widely reported reported of people with amnesia, just in the last year or so. Then, their family member sees them and they are found.
But, it just seems like BK has had to really fight to get his story and his face out there.
I mean, it has been 5 years and 2 months.


My thought is BK is not from the area most of us are concentrating on. I live on Ontario Canada, and I have heard NOTHING about BK nor have I heard of any magazine that he was in. I learned of BK becaeu I came to Websleuths to look at the Jaycee Dugard thread and found Ben.

What about the The Learning Channel? Would they do a show for Ben? The had one on lastnight for Jaycee.
What about 20/20?
The fifth estate?
CBC News?
Oprah? (although I think her show would be on too early)
What about letters to the editor of local newspapers.. they are free.. (well here in Canada they are anyway.
Dr. Phil show was great, but, most men are at work at theat time.. and alot of women also.

The best way to get national attention... tell Benjaman to do something crazy!! Maybe get him to stop traffic by sitting in the middle of the street(on a rocking chair) with a guitar and sing until the police come...LOL.. once they come.. he can tell them he can't move because if he does, a bomb will go off... LOL.. I can see it now... BEN on the News world wide.. sitting on a chair in the middle of the street... the news flash scrolling at the bottom of the screen .. Do you know this man?? All this advertising for FREE!! LOL

dreamweaver
11-10-2009, 08:03 AM
My thought is BK is not from the area most of us are concentrating on. I live on Ontario Canada, and I have heard NOTHING about BK nor have I heard of any magazine that he was in. I learned of BK becaeu I came to Websleuths to look at the Jaycee Dugard thread and found Ben.

What about the The Learning Channel? Would they do a show for Ben? The had one on lastnight for Jaycee.
What about 20/20?
The fifth estate?
CBC News?
Oprah? (although I think her show would be on too early)
What about letters to the editor of local newspapers.. they are free.. (well here in Canada they are anyway.
Dr. Phil show was great, but, most men are at work at theat time.. and alot of women also.

The best way to get national attention... tell Benjaman to do something crazy!! Maybe get him to stop traffic by sitting in the middle of the street(on a rocking chair) with a guitar and sing until the police come...LOL.. once they come.. he can tell them he can't move because if he does, a bomb will go off... LOL.. I can see it now... BEN on the News world wide.. sitting on a chair in the middle of the street... the news flash scrolling at the bottom of the screen .. Do you know this man?? All this advertising for FREE!! LOL
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Zaha:
I know you are joking around.
And it is a weird kind of good idea,
but perhaps the media should be called in advance.
LOL.
err hemm...
I meant to say,
we all get tired and a little punchy
from so many thoughts and facts
and theories,
perhaps a good night's rest will help you.
(and me)

dreamweaver
11-10-2009, 08:07 AM
btw:
We have tried so hard to get BK's name and face out there.
But believe09 may have a point, what if LE is keeping it down?
Maybe when they are called, they are not whole hearted.
I don't know. You wouldn't think they would do that.
If they know something BK doesn't know, why not just
say, hey, Benjaman, problems!, don't know what to tell
you, but problems!
and then Benjaman could get on with his life.
He could decide he is from Canada
and register as an alien
get a ssn
and go to work.
And, of course,
live happily ever after.

dreamweaver
11-10-2009, 08:14 AM
I do not not not encourage breaking of any law.

But, what if BK said that he made it all up?
What if he said he went undercover to see
how homeless are treated?
What if he said he went solo to try and
document how a man can survive
with no identification?
What if he said, he now has written
a book, documenting all that
has happened to him?
What if he starts his own personal blog,
devoted to promotion of his book
and why he felt compelled
to pretend to have amnesia?

Then, he would have money.
Then, he could file self employed
income taxes.
Then, he could ask the IRS
to prove who he really is
by using their tracking system
of those who have not paid
taxes in five years. (Thank you for this suggestion) Miss Carolwood.

And then he would know!

IMHO, just an idea, not really.

believe09
11-10-2009, 08:42 AM
Drawing attention by doing something crazy is a double edged sword-you destroy any credibility you ever had with not just LE but with the agents assisting you...ie Colleen Fitzpatrick.

In my experience, as limited as it is, I have yet to uncover a case where the police are derailing it on their level because of malice or a cover up. I am sure there are cases out there, but I doubt that this case is the one. RHPD is a pretty great department. They deal with a significant drug culture and homeless/transient population in a very professional way. They have a long history of community involvement. Their commanders are well thought of in other branches of law enforcement such as the FBI. Their position on this case is that there was no evidence of a crime, and further the ER Docs at St Jo's did not contact them with anything that changed this-imagine if you were a journalist and you were doing your due diligence, and you contacted RHPD about this dramatic story of beatings and amnesia.....what if they told you there was no beating? Would you continue with the story?

dreamweaver
11-10-2009, 09:01 AM
Drawing attention by doing something crazy is a double edged sword-you destroy any credibility you ever had with not just LE but with the agents assisting you...ie Colleen Fitzpatrick.

In my experience, as limited as it is, I have yet to uncover a case where the police are derailing it on their level because of malice or a cover up. I am sure there are cases out there, but I doubt that this case is the one. RHPD is a pretty great department. They deal with a significant drug culture and homeless/transient population in a very professional way. They have a long history of community involvement. Their commanders are well thought of in other branches of law enforcement such as the FBI. Their position on this case is that there was no evidence of a crime, and further the ER Docs at St Jo's did not contact them with anything that changed this-imagine if you were a journalist and you were doing your due diligence, and you contacted RHPD about this dramatic story of beatings and amnesia.....what if they told you there was no beating? Would you continue with the story?
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In my defense, I was not really proposing doing something crazy.
I can only plead lack of sleep and chronic insomnia and
working on forums a lot.

I also do not think LE would cover anything up.
If they knew there was something wrong in the beginning, they would have halted any help.

And as for media and contacting LE, is that why
no one picks up much on the story?
There was no beating.?
There were no 3 blows to the head?
There were no ant bites?
There was only a man, unconscious, by a Burger King dumpster,
who was later diagnosed with cataracts and amnesia.

Is that why Newsweek has not published anything yet?
Is that why Dr Phil show does not return BK's calls?
(per BK)

So, the source of the beating, ant bites, 3 blows, is
from where?

What does the producer of the documentary say?

dreamweaver
11-10-2009, 09:05 AM
Is 1984 the last year BK remembers?
He said when he looked in the mirror after he woke up,
he seemed 20 years older than he thought he was.

1984:
No computers with missing person databases.
No countrywide alert.

If someone was reported missing,
sometimes nothing was done.
We hear it even today,
well, he is an adult, has a perfect
right to take off and do what
he wants.
If there was no evidence of foul
play,then nothing done.
Just family, wondering where
Uncle Ben went and if he is okay.

Sigh.
Time for a break.

believe09
11-10-2009, 09:12 AM
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In my defense, I was not really proposing doing something crazy.
I can only plead lack of sleep and chronic insomnia and
working on forums a lot.

I also do not think LE would cover anything up.
If they knew there was something wrong in the beginning, they would have halted any help.

And as for media and contacting LE, is that why
no one picks up much on the story?
There was no beating.?
There were no 3 blows to the head?
There were no ant bites?
There was only a man, unconscious, by a Burger King dumpster,
who was later diagnosed with cataracts and amnesia.

Is that why Newsweek has not published anything yet?
Is that why Dr Phil show does not return BK's calls?
(per BK)

So, the source of the beating, ant bites, 3 blows, is
from where?

What does the producer of the documentary say?

So far there is nothing other than media reports that support ant bites, sunburn and assault of any kind. Kent is writing up her notes from her meeting with RHPD-I posted the incident reports.

I do not know why Newsweek has published nothing or why Dr Phil does not return BK's calls. And I KNOW you were not recommending anything crazy or a coverup....believe me dream. I know.

Even if BK was not beaten and left, we still have a man who does not know who he is and would like to get back home, right? Personally, I would like to have a good solid well sourced story on his case that includes verified facts, and it is my understanding that this is what JamesSmith intends to do.

Julessleuther
11-10-2009, 12:53 PM
The media are so stupid. The real story is actually two fold; who he is-- someone who is lost in America; a human being lost in the sea of humanity, and secondly; overcoming those obstacles to be the man he is now. A huge chunk of his life is missing, yet he seems to have adjusted (as much as he can) to his life. THAT is a story. Despite everything he has been through, he still survives. With the upcoming holiday season, this is such an important reminder for people. Also, tugging on peoples heartstrings during the holidays would/should be a big media draw. People go home to their families during the holidays. Who does Ben have to go home to?

What we need to do is post on craigslist in Hollywood and New York, where there are film schools, and get a young filmmaker (perhaps someone still in school) to do a documentary on BK. His daily life, where he was found, his search for answers. That filmmaker then takes that documentary and submits to Sundance and other independent film festivals and both the flimmaker and BK would be the toast of hollywood. THAT would get some attention.

I know in one of my pet cases (see below) that the media have taken a non-interest in the case, and I am wracking my brain to see how to change that. I know others who have done nationwide walks for medical causes. Maybe we could do a nationwide walk, or nationwide hand holding for missing people. (Remember they did that in the 80's for some reason?) My gosh, if the Republicans can have their "tea parties", why can't us missing persons reseachers have our own tea party? We want to make a splash and bring attention? Have a missing persons style tea party in each city. Or meet in one city. Get NCMEC involved, doe network involved, Project Jason, Charley Project, LE, etc. I AM SERIOUS (yes, as Dream I am struggling with lack of sleep, but I am still serious).:dance:

carolwood
11-10-2009, 01:11 PM
I do not not not encourage breaking of any law.

But, what if BK said that he made it all up?
What if he said he went undercover to see
how homeless are treated?
What if he said he went solo to try and
document how a man can survive
with no identification?
What if he said, he now has written
a book, documenting all that
has happened to him?
What if he starts his own personal blog,
devoted to promotion of his book
and why he felt compelled
to pretend to have amnesia?

Then, he would have money.
Then, he could file self employed
income taxes.
Then, he could ask the IRS
to prove who he really is
by using their tracking system
of those who have not paid
taxes in five years. (Thank you for this suggestion)

And then he would know!

IMHO, just an idea, not really.

Your welcome Dream.

dreamweaver
11-10-2009, 01:29 PM
Your welcome Dream.
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I should have known it was you, remembered it was you.
I went back and edited my post, so proper thank you
done for you......
Thank you.

believe09
11-10-2009, 05:18 PM
The media are so stupid. The real story is actually two fold; who he is-- someone who is lost in America; a human being lost in the sea of humanity, and secondly; overcoming those obstacles to be the man he is now. A huge chunk of his life is missing, yet he seems to have adjusted (as much as he can) to his life. THAT is a story. Despite everything he has been through, he still survives. With the upcoming holiday season, this is such an important reminder for people. Also, tugging on peoples heartstrings during the holidays would/should be a big media draw. People go home to their families during the holidays. Who does Ben have to go home to?

What we need to do is post on craigslist in Hollywood and New York, where there are film schools, and get a young filmmaker (perhaps someone still in school) to do a documentary on BK. His daily life, where he was found, his search for answers. That filmmaker then takes that documentary and submits to Sundance and other independent film festivals and both the flimmaker and BK would be the toast of hollywood. THAT would get some attention.

I know in one of my pet cases (see below) that the media have taken a non-interest in the case, and I am wracking my brain to see how to change that. I know others who have done nationwide walks for medical causes. Maybe we could do a nationwide walk, or nationwide hand holding for missing people. (Remember they did that in the 80's for some reason?) My gosh, if the Republicans can have their "tea parties", why can't us missing persons reseachers have our own tea party? We want to make a splash and bring attention? Have a missing persons style tea party in each city. Or meet in one city. Get NCMEC involved, doe network involved, Project Jason, Charley Project, LE, etc. I AM SERIOUS (yes, as Dream I am struggling with lack of sleep, but I am still serious).:dance:

My bold and italics...I am fairly certain Mr. Smith meets the above criteria. I doubt the focus on the story will be the more sensational aspects of it, but he can speak for himself, lol.

Cubby
11-24-2009, 10:04 AM
I've been thinking the key to solving this case and identifiying Mr. Kyle is to get his face in front of as many people as possible. I don't know those directly involved in getting Mr. Kyles story to the media, so I am posting this here in the hopes they see and read it, or those here at WS having contact with those are able to pass these idea's along.

Thinking back to two cases here in the Chicago area, Lisa Stebic and the Bradley sisters, Tionda and Diamond Bradley, both families had their missing persons info appear on the Jumbo Trons at the Chicago Bulls games and Cellular Field - where the white sox play. Thinking of this, I think it would be great to get Mr. Kyles info. A page with his current picture and age regressed pictures along with contact info at the following venues which may help.

Wrigley Field - Chicago Cubs
Cellular Field - Chicago White Sox
Busch Stadium -St. Louis Cardinals
Cincinatti Reds (don't know the name of their stadium)
(Because Indiana doesn't have a baseball team, people in Indiana would most likely choose one of the above teams.)
Colorado Rockies (? name of stadium)
Colorado Avalanch- NHL
? NFL or AFL team for Colorado
? NBA team in Colorado

Indiana Pacers - NBA
Indiana Colts -NFL

Any sports teams at Univ. of Colorado Boulder - if they have a jumbo tron style screen.

Also, any and all professional sports teams for the above cities. (I'd only approach cities outside of Colorado and Indiana for sports teams which are not in either of these cities such as baseball as listed above.)

Also the Indy 500. I've never been, so I don't know what they have, but if they too have a jumbo tron style screen I'd approach them as well.

of course some of these venues may not agree to display Mr. Kyles info, but I'm sure some would be willing to help.

Hopefully those working with getting media attention for Mr. Kyle will consider pursuing this avenue.