View Full Version : Forensic Astrology - LINDSEY BAUM missing McCleary,WA 6/26/09 #1
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Moon sextile Sun always creates an opportunity and that's how the predator saw this darkening moment on Friday evening. The Part of Fortune completes that set-up from Scorpio where the part becomes Part of Misfortune. Odd that this part is at the apex of the chart where it is most visible and prominent, marking the third point in a triangle of death. Sun, ruler House of death, Moon inside House of death (& intercepted) and Scorpio which is the Sign belonging on House 8 in the natural zodiac.
The node of the Moon in the First House is so hopeful and friendly in Aquarius but it is at the same degree as Pluto and thus denotes fatality, casualty, tragedy. Under the chart, read about this criminal bushwhacker.
I should add that Lindsey is about to be eclipsed, whether in life or not. Her eleventh birthday is the date of the lunar eclipse discussed on the General Thread, July 7.
Soulscape
06-30-2009, 10:43 PM
It gets discouraging seeing Event SUN in the 6th House of Caretaking repeatedly in these Missing Children cases --- as Tuba just this evening brought to our attention in the General Thread (see post #121) --- and here we go again...
I am posting the Last Seen with some call-outs & commentary:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LindseyBaumLastSeen.gif
The situation is serious with Capricorn on the ASCENDANT, ruled by serious SATURN, intercepted in the 8th House of Death. PLUTO and BLACK MOON LILITH hover over the ASCENDANT. I have never seen this marker result in anything good. Moreover, as Tuba already pointed out, PLUTO is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), always foretelling a catastrophe, tragedy or fatality.
MERCURY the 5th House Child is in critical degree, 17 mutable. All of MERCURY's aspects are separating -- i.e., happened in the past -- except for two: MERCURY is applying parallel to HADES and applying quindecile (165 degrees) to BLACK MOON LILITH, both of which are death markers.
In forensic astrology, the PLUTO/CERES midpoint is often prominent in kidnappings. Here, this midpoint is partile conjunct the MIDHEAVEN symbolizing what comes before the Public Eye.
Lindsey was taken by force because TORO (brutality) is close conjunct the 5th House Cusp of the Child and the Transneptunian VULCANUS (25 Cancer) is partile conjunct Lindsey's secondary progressed SUN.
She was whisked into a vehicle because MERCURY (Lindsey) applies conjunct asteroid PHAETHON, associated with cars.
The reason was sexual because asteroid EROS 17 Pisces (sexuality) partile squares MERCURY the Child.
Not shown, asteroid PHOTOGRAPHICA 16 Pisces conjoins EROS, squares MERCURY the child and partile opposes SATURN the perp. Can we dare hope the perp was caught on surveillance camera?
Finally, and also not noted on the chart, Lindsey's natal CUPIDO, one of the Transneptunians, is posited at 00 Sagittarius --- partile opposed the Last Seen 5th House of the Child cusp.
CUPIDO = Family dynamics and with 5th House Cusp at 00 Gemini, the degree of ALCYONE a.k.a. The Weeping Sisters, we see once again that deficient/defective/incompetent caretaking has led to inconsolable grief.
Sadly,
Soulscape
dreamweaver
06-30-2009, 11:01 PM
soulscape:
Oh, I am so sad by your chart reading for Lindsey B.
I was so hopeful that this would not be a bad outcome.
So, she was grabbed in an opportunistic moment?
Was is by someone local or someone passing through?
Is there anything in the chart that says if she will be found,
when she will be found and where she will be found?
Also, you mentioned her birthday and the lunar eclipse.
Does this mean she would have had some kind of trouble
or problem anyway on July 11?
Thank you.
Just so sad tonight.
breanna
06-30-2009, 11:14 PM
It gets discouraging seeing Event SUN in the 6th House of Caretaking repeatedly in these Missing Children cases --- as Tuba just this evening brought to our attention in the General Thread (see post #121) --- and here we go again...
I am posting the Last Seen with some call-outs & commentary:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LindseyBaumLastSeen.gif
The situation is serious with Capricorn on the ASCENDANT, ruled by serious SATURN, intercepted in the 8th House of Death. PLUTO and BLACK MOON LILITH hover over the ASCENDANT. I have never seen this marker result in anything good. Moreover, as Tuba already pointed out, PLUTO is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), always foretelling a catastrophe, tragedy or fatality.
MERCURY the 5th House Child is in critical degree, 17 mutable. All of MERCURY's aspects are separating -- i.e., happened in the past -- except for two: MERCURY is applying parallel to HADES and applying quindecile (165 degrees) to BLACK MOON LILITH, both of which are death markers.
In forensic astrology, the PLUTO/CERES midpoint is often prominent in kidnappings. Here, this midpoint is partile conjunct the MIDHEAVEN symbolizing what comes before the Public Eye.
Lindsey was taken by force because TORO (brutality) is close conjunct the 5th House Cusp of the Child and the Transneptunian VULCANUS (25 Cancer) is partile conjunct Lindsey's secondary progressed SUN.
She was whisked into a vehicle because MERCURY (Lindsey) applies conjunct asteroid PHAETHON, associated with cars.
The reason was sexual because asteroid EROS 17 Pisces (sexuality) partile squares MERCURY the Child.
Not shown, asteroid PHOTOGRAPHICA 16 Pisces conjoins EROS, squares MERCURY the child and partile opposes SATURN the perp. Can we dare hope the perp was caught on surveillance camera?
Finally, and also not noted on the chart, Lindsey's natal CUPIDO, one of the Transneptunians, is posited at 00 Sagittarius --- partile opposed the Last Seen 5th House of the Child cusp.
CUPIDO = Family dynamics and with 5th House Cusp at 00 Gemini, the degree of ALCYONE a.k.a. The Weeping Sisters, we see once again that deficient/defective/incompetent caretaking has led to inconsolable grief.
Sadly,
Soulscape
This is what I was fearing. I hope the perp didn't grab her at the gas station and hit the hwy...that would not be good at all.
Can the charts indicate if she is close? Or long gone? Was it someone she knew or a stranger?
Anyway, Thanks so much Soulscape.
Angelzgram
07-01-2009, 12:17 AM
[quote=Soulscape;3922174]It gets discouraging seeing Event SUN in the 6th House of Caretaking repeatedly in these Missing Children cases --- as Tuba just this evening brought to our attention in the General Thread (see post #121) --- and here we go again...
I am posting the Last Seen with some call-outs & commentary:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LindseyBaumLastSeen.gif
The situation is serious with Capricorn on the ASCENDANT, ruled by serious SATURN, intercepted in the 8th House of Death. PLUTO and BLACK MOON LILITH hover over the ASCENDANT. I have never seen this marker result in anything good. Moreover, as Tuba already pointed out, PLUTO is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), always foretelling a catastrophe, tragedy or fatality.
MERCURY the 5th House Child is in critical degree, 17 mutable. All of MERCURY's aspects are separating -- i.e., happened in the past -- except for two: MERCURY is applying parallel to HADES and applying quindecile (165 degrees) to BLACK MOON LILITH, both of which are death markers.
In forensic astrology, the PLUTO/CERES midpoint is often prominent in kidnappings. Here, this midpoint is partile conjunct the MIDHEAVEN symbolizing what comes before the Public Eye.
Lindsey was taken by force because TORO (brutality) is close conjunct the 5th House Cusp of the Child and the Transneptunian VULCANUS (25 Cancer) is partile conjunct Lindsey's secondary progressed SUN.
She was whisked into a vehicle because MERCURY (Lindsey) applies conjunct asteroid PHAETHON, associated with cars.
The reason was sexual because asteroid EROS 17 Pisces (sexuality) partile squares MERCURY the Child.
Not shown, asteroid PHOTOGRAPHICA 16 Pisces conjoins EROS, squares MERCURY the child and partile opposes SATURN the perp. Can we dare hope the perp was caught on surveillance camera?
respectfully snipped....
Could Photgraphica/Eros also mean for sex film purposes?
Is there ANYTHING that can be done to stop these sick, senseless tragedies? It seems like predators are actually becoming more bold, possibly encouraged by the seeming probability of not getting caught.
At my grand daughters birthday party at a public park with playground just off a highway, some of the moms and friends seemed suprised at my vigilance over the children by commenting "this is a safe town!"
They're all "safe" until an innocent child is seen as an opportunity....
Call me paranoid, I DO NOT CARE!
mistivon
07-01-2009, 01:15 AM
Is there anything in Lindsey's chart that COULD indicate kidnapping, but she is still alive, and could be found BEFORE all those death markers fall into place?
Or does it show that she is already dead?
Sorry for my ignorance, I've just started following this thread.
TIA
watchinginky
07-01-2009, 08:19 AM
It gets discouraging seeing Event SUN in the 6th House of Caretaking repeatedly in these Missing Children cases --- as Tuba just this evening brought to our attention in the General Thread (see post #121) --- and here we go again...
I am posting the Last Seen with some call-outs & commentary:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LindseyBaumLastSeen.gif
The situation is serious with Capricorn on the ASCENDANT, ruled by serious SATURN, intercepted in the 8th House of Death. PLUTO and BLACK MOON LILITH hover over the ASCENDANT. I have never seen this marker result in anything good. Moreover, as Tuba already pointed out, PLUTO is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), always foretelling a catastrophe, tragedy or fatality.
MERCURY the 5th House Child is in critical degree, 17 mutable. All of MERCURY's aspects are separating -- i.e., happened in the past -- except for two: MERCURY is applying parallel to HADES and applying quindecile (165 degrees) to BLACK MOON LILITH, both of which are death markers.
In forensic astrology, the PLUTO/CERES midpoint is often prominent in kidnappings. Here, this midpoint is partile conjunct the MIDHEAVEN symbolizing what comes before the Public Eye.
Lindsey was taken by force because TORO (brutality) is close conjunct the 5th House Cusp of the Child and the Transneptunian VULCANUS (25 Cancer) is partile conjunct Lindsey's secondary progressed SUN.
She was whisked into a vehicle because MERCURY (Lindsey) applies conjunct asteroid PHAETHON, associated with cars.
The reason was sexual because asteroid EROS 17 Pisces (sexuality) partile squares MERCURY the Child.
Not shown, asteroid PHOTOGRAPHICA 16 Pisces conjoins EROS, squares MERCURY the child and partile opposes SATURN the perp. Can we dare hope the perp was caught on surveillance camera?
Finally, and also not noted on the chart, Lindsey's natal CUPIDO, one of the Transneptunians, is posited at 00 Sagittarius --- partile opposed the Last Seen 5th House of the Child cusp.
CUPIDO = Family dynamics and with 5th House Cusp at 00 Gemini, the degree of ALCYONE a.k.a. The Weeping Sisters, we see once again that deficient/defective/incompetent caretaking has led to inconsolable grief.
Sadly,
Soulscape
Bold and "red" by me.
I'm beyond comprehension as to how parents can continue to allow their young children, especially girls, to wonder the streets alone. She was walking a half mile back to her house. What was this mother doing that was so important that she couldn't have gone and picked up her little girl?
Children need our guidance and protection. Too many times today, they are taken for granted and sadly, this is becoming the outcome more and more often. I have 2 little ones and I don't let them out of my sight for even a second, even outside in our own yard. It's a shame they can't enjoy the same freedoms we ourselves did as kids.
Thank you again Soulscape and Tuba for sharing with us your gift of reading the heavens. You are truly appreciated. :blowkiss:
Soulscape
07-01-2009, 09:20 AM
[quote=Soulscape;3922174]
...
Not shown, asteroid PHOTOGRAPHICA 16 Pisces conjoins EROS, squares MERCURY the child and partile opposes SATURN the perp. Can we dare hope the perp was caught on surveillance camera?
respectfully snipped....
Could Photgraphica/Eros also mean for sex film purposes?
Is there ANYTHING that can be done to stop these sick, senseless tragedies? It seems like predators are actually becoming more bold, possibly encouraged by the seeming probability of not getting caught.
At my grand daughters birthday party at a public park with playground just off a highway, some of the moms and friends seemed suprised at my vigilance over the children by commenting "this is a safe town!"
They're all "safe" until an innocent child is seen as an opportunity....
Call me paranoid, I DO NOT CARE!
Yes, Angelzgram,
PHOTOGRAPHICA (pictures) conjunct EROS (sex) in Pisces (film, movies) disposited by NEPTUNE in Aquarius (internet) could manifest as you suggest. The close square to MERCURY (Lindsey) and exact opposition to SATURN (perp) links the potential manifestation directly to the child and her abductor.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Web Sleuths are doing such an alert and penetrating examination of the circumstances of this missing child. They suspect all is not right with the people surrounding Lindsey. The chart bears them out.
There is an attribute called "The Trine of the Chart" and it describes what Signs one finds on House 10, House 2 and House 6, a big eqauilateral triangle. The Signs in a normal chart are all of one element but here in my missing person's horoscope, there is Air on 2 and 6 but most unusually, Scorpio Water on House 10. This directs us to either someone in authority or a parent. The Part of the girl's Misfortune is also there at 7:13 Scorpio.
Secondly, we have to look at what this event is about as no matter how dynamic the action planets in their inter-relation make it, the event does not happen in a vacuum. The Sun is in the House of Dissension or Conflict and Removals. The Sun is in the Sign of Home and Family, Cancer. It is part of that trine of death described yesterday and it is afflicting Pluto, co ruler of the suspect parent House, 10. The other ruler of H. 10 is Mars found in House 4, a violent ending and red crayon all over conditions in the home. He sits with Venus who protects him but is in crisis herself (critical° Fixed Sign). The crisis degree speaks of isolating circumstances that are grave and climactic. The home is unstable and full of stress. Mars himself is not at home in Taurus and could not be more stubborn but is at a disadvantage and unable to act. A situation has just
blown up.
The Sun, descriptor of the nature of the event, rules House 8. The event is based on death, sex or others' assets. The removal or the struggle, the conflict, happened due to those concerns. Where is the Moon who denotes the actual activity in the event? In that same House of death, sex or others' assets. And she is with the responsible party, the one who committed the crime, Saturn. Saturn who is so shrewd, who planned this and, with his scythe, reaped in the event. The Moon operates at the behest of the Sun and Saturn and makes a choice based on conflict and under duress: she is not only restrained in an intercept but at odds with her dispositor, Mercury showing extreme antipathy for her situation of bondage. I say based on conflict because she rules House 7.
Saturn, who is willing to wait, who delays and obstructs and plans, is very different from the brother, Mars in Taurus, so brash and disobedient. Saturn has an inferiority complex: Capricorn rising and position in Virgo square Mercury for a most depressed attitude. Saturn is sesquiquadrate (135°) Pluto, a very evil planetary blend. Reckless indifference to human life and suffering, wild abandonment, one might say frenzy at the moment matters culminate. Who is this perpetrator and how to unearth him? To begin, he has a record. His one vanity is his well muscled physique.
The cusp of House 8, the death dealer, has solstice point at the Fourth House opposed Part of Misfortune. The Moon which is here depicting the activity of Lindsey is trying to make her way home. See her trine to House 4 cusp. What happens first? She sextiles the Part of Misfortune in Scorpio. And that sextiles the ascending degree for an even wider triangle of death~Sun to Moon to Misfortune to ASC. The ascending degree is one known for selfishness, despondency and jealousy. There is greed here. The perpetrator has not lived an honest life and has stolen from others, Saturn in House 8, thinking he has more need, is more deprived and deserving. He simply takes.
lonetraveler
07-01-2009, 02:52 PM
Web Sleuths are doing such an alert and penetrating examination of the circumstances of this missing child. They suspect all is not right with the people surrounding Lindsey. The chart bears them out.
There is an attribute called "The Trine of the Chart" and it describes what Signs one finds on House 10, House 2 and House 6, a big eqauilateral triangle. The Signs in a normal chart are all of one element but here in my missing person's horoscope, there is Air on 2 and 6 but most unusually, Scorpio Water on House 10. This directs us to either someone in authority or a parent. The Part of the girl's Misfortune is also there at 7:13 Scorpio.
Secondly, we have to look at what this event is about as no matter how dynamic the action planets in their inter-relation make it, the event does not happen in a vacuum. The Sun is in the House of Dissension or Conflict and Removals. The Sun is in the Sign of Home and Family, Cancer. It is part of that trine of death described yesterday and it is afflicting Pluto, co ruler of the suspect parent House, 10. The other ruler of H. 10 is Mars found in House 4, a violent ending and red crayon all over conditions in the home. He sits with Venus who protects him but is in crisis herself (critical° Fixed Sign). The crisis degree speaks of isolating circumstances that are grave and climactic. The home is unstable and full of stress. Mars himself is not at home in Taurus and could not be more stubborn but is at a disadvantage and unable to act. A situation has just
blown up.
The Sun, descriptor of the nature of the event, rules House 8. The event is based on death, sex or others' assets. The removal or the struggle, the conflict, happened due to those concerns. Where is the Moon who denotes the actual activity in the event? In that same House of death, sex or others' assets. And she is with the responsible party, the one who committed the crime, Saturn. Saturn who is so shrewd, who planned this and, with his scythe, reaped in the event. The Moon operates at the behest of the Sun and Saturn and makes a choice based on conflict and under duress: she is not only restrained in an intercept but at odds with her dispositor, Mercury showing extreme antipathy for her situation of bondage. I say based on conflict because she rules House 7.
Saturn, who is willing to wait, who delays and obstructs and plans, is very different from the brother, Mars in Taurus, so brash and disobedient. Saturn has an inferiority complex: Capricorn rising and position in Virgo square Mercury for a most depressed attitude. Saturn is sesquiquadrate (135°) Pluto, a very evil planetary blend. Reckless indifference to human life and suffering, wild abandonment, one might say frenzy at the moment matters culminate. Who is this perpetrator and how to unearth him? To begin, he has a record. His one vanity is his well muscled physique.
The cusp of House 8, the death dealer, has solstice point at the Fourth House opposed Part of Misfortune. The Moon which is here depicting the activity of Lindsey is trying to make her way home. See her trine to House 4 cusp. What happens first? She sextiles the Part of Misfortune in Scorpio. And that sextiles the ascending degree for an even wider triangle of death~Sun to Moon to Misfortune to ASC. The ascending degree is one known for selfishness, despondency and jealousy. There is greed here. The perpetrator has not lived an honest life and has stolen from others, Saturn in House 8, thinking he has more need, is more deprived and deserving. He simply takes.
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I read here quite often but am totally incapable of interpretation and can't attempt it, even. Could you interpret in simple language what this entails, please...................
Maybe you can run it through Babblefish.
Web Sleuths are doing such an alert and penetrating examination of the circumstances of this missing child. They suspect all is not right with the people surrounding Lindsey. The chart bears them out.
There is an attribute called "The Trine of the Chart" and it describes what Signs one finds on House 10, House 2 and House 6, a big eqauilateral triangle. The Signs in a normal chart are all of one element but here in my missing person's horoscope, there is Air on 2 and 6 but most unusually, Scorpio Water on House 10. This directs us to either someone in authority or a parent. The Part of the girl's Misfortune is also there at 7:13 Scorpio.
Secondly, we have to look at what this event is about as no matter how dynamic the action planets in their inter-relation make it, the event does not happen in a vacuum. The Sun is in the House of Dissension or Conflict and Removals. The Sun is in the Sign of Home and Family, Cancer. It is part of that trine of death described yesterday and it is afflicting Pluto, co ruler of the suspect parent House, 10. The other ruler of H. 10 is Mars found in House 4, a violent ending and red crayon all over conditions in the home. He sits with Venus who protects him but is in crisis herself (critical° Fixed Sign). The crisis degree speaks of isolating circumstances that are grave and climactic. The home is unstable and full of stress. Mars himself is not at home in Taurus and could not be more stubborn but is at a disadvantage and unable to act. A situation has just
blown up.
The Sun, descriptor of the nature of the event, rules House 8. The event is based on death, sex or others' assets. The removal or the struggle, the conflict, happened due to those concerns. Where is the Moon who denotes the actual activity in the event? In that same House of death, sex or others' assets. And she is with the responsible party, the one who committed the crime, Saturn. Saturn who is so shrewd, who planned this and, with his scythe, reaped in the event. The Moon operates at the behest of the Sun and Saturn and makes a choice based on conflict and under duress: she is not only restrained in an intercept but at odds with her dispositor, Mercury showing extreme antipathy for her situation of bondage. I say based on conflict because she rules House 7.
Saturn, who is willing to wait, who delays and obstructs and plans, is very different from the brother, Mars in Taurus, so brash and disobedient. Saturn has an inferiority complex: Capricorn rising and position in Virgo square Mercury for a most depressed attitude. Saturn is sesquiquadrate (135°) Pluto, a very evil planetary blend. Reckless indifference to human life and suffering, wild abandonment, one might say frenzy at the moment matters culminate. Who is this perpetrator and how to unearth him? To begin, he has a record. His one vanity is his well muscled physique.
The cusp of House 8, the death dealer, has solstice point at the Fourth House opposed Part of Misfortune. The Moon which is here depicting the activity of Lindsey is trying to make her way home. See her trine to House 4 cusp. What happens first? She sextiles the Part of Misfortune in Scorpio. And that sextiles the ascending degree for an even wider triangle of death~Sun to Moon to Misfortune to ASC. The ascending degree is one known for selfishness, despondency and jealousy. There is greed here. The perpetrator has not lived an honest life and has stolen from others, Saturn in House 8, thinking he has more need, is more deprived and deserving. He simply takes.
Bolded respectfully be me.
Tuba, once again I must extend my humble and complete thank you for this interpretation of Lindsey's charts.
You have outlined exactly who we are looking for...thank you so much.
Today a spokesperson from NCMEC stated that from the information he has the person that took Lindsey knew her.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09
Since we don't know everyone that had access to Lindsey, through her Mother or through her friends parents...etc. I am forced to look at the one man who's name was reported in early media articles. His name is S. Williams and I'm having difficulty finding info on him as of this time.
jnTexas
07-01-2009, 05:09 PM
Web Sleuths are doing such an alert and penetrating examination of the circumstances of this missing child. They suspect all is not right with the people surrounding Lindsey. The chart bears them out.
There is an attribute called "The Trine of the Chart" and it describes what Signs one finds on House 10, House 2 and House 6, a big eqauilateral triangle. The Signs in a normal chart are all of one element but here in my missing person's horoscope, there is Air on 2 and 6 but most unusually, Scorpio Water on House 10. This directs us to either someone in authority or a parent. The Part of the girl's Misfortune is also there at 7:13 Scorpio.
Secondly, we have to look at what this event is about as no matter how dynamic the action planets in their inter-relation make it, the event does not happen in a vacuum. The Sun is in the House of Dissension or Conflict and Removals. The Sun is in the Sign of Home and Family, Cancer. It is part of that trine of death described yesterday and it is afflicting Pluto, co ruler of the suspect parent House, 10. The other ruler of H. 10 is Mars found in House 4, a violent ending and red crayon all over conditions in the home. He sits with Venus who protects him but is in crisis herself (critical° Fixed Sign). The crisis degree speaks of isolating circumstances that are grave and climactic. The home is unstable and full of stress. Mars himself is not at home in Taurus and could not be more stubborn but is at a disadvantage and unable to act. A situation has just
blown up.
The Sun, descriptor of the nature of the event, rules House 8. The event is based on death, sex or others' assets. The removal or the struggle, the conflict, happened due to those concerns. Where is the Moon who denotes the actual activity in the event? In that same House of death, sex or others' assets. And she is with the responsible party, the one who committed the crime, Saturn. Saturn who is so shrewd, who planned this and, with his scythe, reaped in the event. The Moon operates at the behest of the Sun and Saturn and makes a choice based on conflict and under duress: she is not only restrained in an intercept but at odds with her dispositor, Mercury showing extreme antipathy for her situation of bondage. I say based on conflict because she rules House 7.
Saturn, who is willing to wait, who delays and obstructs and plans, is very different from the brother, Mars in Taurus, so brash and disobedient. Saturn has an inferiority complex: Capricorn rising and position in Virgo square Mercury for a most depressed attitude. Saturn is sesquiquadrate (135°) Pluto, a very evil planetary blend. Reckless indifference to human life and suffering, wild abandonment, one might say frenzy at the moment matters culminate. Who is this perpetrator and how to unearth him? To begin, he has a record. His one vanity is his well muscled physique.
The cusp of House 8, the death dealer, has solstice point at the Fourth House opposed Part of Misfortune. The Moon which is here depicting the activity of Lindsey is trying to make her way home. See her trine to House 4 cusp. What happens first? She sextiles the Part of Misfortune in Scorpio. And that sextiles the ascending degree for an even wider triangle of death~Sun to Moon to Misfortune to ASC. The ascending degree is one known for selfishness, despondency and jealousy. There is greed here. The perpetrator has not lived an honest life and has stolen from others, Saturn in House 8, thinking he has more need, is more deprived and deserving. He simply takes.
Tuba,
trying to understand the bolded above. is this saying someone she knew in authority is responsible? possibly a parent of a friend or the live in boyfriend of a friends mom?
The 2nd bolded does this mean a woman suspects her spouse but is covering for him in a way or not wanting to see that person as being possibly invovled?
I can't get past Scott Williams who is most likely the live in boyfriend of the friends mother Kara, and kara bothers me too. So I may be reading more into what you posted as I have this hinky feeling about those two.
thanks for all the hard work you do. I look forward to reading the astrology threads. They are so interesting.
Soulscape
07-01-2009, 06:48 PM
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Today a spokesperson from NCMEC stated that from the information he has the person that took Lindsey knew her.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3924303&postcount=499)
Since we don't know everyone that had access to Lindsey, through her Mother or through her friends parents...etc. I am forced to look at the one man who's name was reported in early media articles. His name is S. Williams and I'm having difficulty finding info on him as of this time.
<Respectfully snipped & bolded>
Keep looking, Kat. We would like his birth data.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Gailrene
07-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting in this forum.
The chart reading on Lindsey honestly scares me to death. What does it mean? What can I do? What information is in there to help us find Lindsey? I live in her town...give me something..anything to look for!
Lindsey's disappearance has taken a toll on the entire town. We may have been niave before, we are no longer. I just hope it is not to late to have Lindsey come home safe.
Angel Who Cares
07-01-2009, 09:05 PM
:wave: Gailrene Welcome to WS's! It is always helpful for our amazing astrologers to have help from someone who is a local in a missing case. Our prayers go out to you & your community!
Do you know any info on Scott W. the live in BF from the house where she left to head home on Fri.? TIA You would also be helpful in our general thread for Lindsey too if you have the time to answer or aide in any ?'s many have!
Here is the link to it for you:
WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3925112&posted=1#post3925112
:angel:
jnTexas
07-01-2009, 09:52 PM
Bolded respectfully be me.
Tuba, once again I must extend my humble and complete thank you for this interpretation of Lindsey's charts.
You have outlined exactly who we are looking for...thank you so much.
Today a spokesperson from NCMEC stated that from the information he has the person that took Lindsey knew her.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3924303&postcount=499)
Since we don't know everyone that had access to Lindsey, through her Mother or through her friends parents...etc. I am forced to look at the one man who's name was reported in early media articles. His name is S. Williams and I'm having difficulty finding info on him as of this time.
Well I seen the Scott guy on NG tonight he is in noway fit (not ruling him out just can't find anything on him), but I did a little digging on uncle of the friend (hasn't been mentioned in media but is on her mom's myspace) he is a body builder, is on a roid forum, and has a prior record. he also lives in WA just not sure where as of yet.
Soulscape
07-01-2009, 10:26 PM
Bringing Angel Who Cares's quote over from Lindsey Baum Thread for Gailrene and any other Local who may be reading here:
ABDUCTION BECOMING MORE LIKELY AS LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH CONTINUES
July 1, 2009
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Investigators are beginning to lean towards the fact that a 10 year old McCleary girl, missing since last Friday, was abducted. Undersheriff Rick Scott says the more time goes by and the more leads are investigated, the less likely it becomes that Lindsey Baum ran away or is playing a prank on her family. Scott says investigators continue to scour the East County town for information, but have not turned up any facts that would lead them to Lindsey.
Scott says it is possible that a McCleary resident may unknowingly be a neighbor, friend or family member of someone involved in Lindsey’s disappearance. With that in mind, the Sheriff’s office is asking people to report any odd changes in behavior. That could include selling a vehicle, changes in mood, dropping out of sight or other changes in attitude or habits.
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #2
I have enlarged in dark red the pertinent portion of the quote. The charts indicate the perp is someone Lindsey knows. This directive from Undersheriff Rick Scott is highly important. If you are local, you can help by being very observant and reporting suspicious behavioral changes in people you know or associate with, even if you think their involvement may be a long shot.
Thanks,
Soulscape
jnTexas
07-01-2009, 10:42 PM
Well I seen the Scott guy on NG tonight he is in noway fit (not ruling him out just can't find anything on him), but I did a little digging on uncle of the friend (hasn't been mentioned in media but is on her mom's myspace) he is a body builder, is on a roid forum, and has a prior record. he also lives in WA just not sure where as of yet.
Interesting, let's follow-up on him. Because he is not mentioned in the news nor listed as a suspect, we have to keep in mind we are not allowed to post names, but his Date of Birth sure would come in handy.
Kara K. did write on one of the forums that there were 4 adults in the livingroom when Lindsey left that night. Can't rule anyone out.
comments on his myspace say happy bday on June 29th 2009 and he is 28. SO I think we can guess his DOB to be 6/29/1981. i wil do some more digging to see if i can find something more concrete on DOB
jnTexas
07-01-2009, 11:00 PM
Distracted posted on the main page that the friends father Scott W. and Lindsey's mom both took and passed polys. there is a link there. i tried to bring the post over, but couldn't figure out how to do that.
I'm wondering why the friend's mom didn't take one?
FifthEssence
07-01-2009, 11:21 PM
Distracted posted on the main page that the friends father Scott W. and Lindsey's mom both took and passed polys. there is a link there. i tried to bring the post over, but couldn't figure out how to do that.
I'm wondering why the friend's mom didn't take one?
THANKS for bringing this to our attention. We had 'heard' about this through other sources but now that it's confirmed in an actual news article versus a commentary section on a news site, this is good to know.
I found the link you noted Distracted had posted on the main forum. Thanks again!
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html
NG reports that the tracer dogs picked up no scent from Lindsey on her route home but if it is true that her friend walked with her part way, the friend will have confirmed their path and how far and surely the dogs would have found that scent!
Mercury in II is Lindsey walking and she got as far as a cross street because her path halts at the edge of House 6, a road crossing hers. Cusp is edge of the street or road. House 6 is crossing of streets and a choice to make (Virgo natural ruler). Of course, a car turning at that moment could cut her off, create an impasse, Saturn squaring Mercury. That's what I believe happened, not that he curb crawled along side her. He has citations on his DMV file, at least one having to do with speed. Mars is trine Saturn but from the North Node of the planet Mars.
Gailrene
07-02-2009, 02:23 AM
:wave: Gailrene Welcome to WS's! It is always helpful for our amazing astrologers to have help from someone who is a local in a missing case. Our prayers go out to you & your community!
Do you know any info on Scott W. the live in BF from the house where she left to head home on Fri.? TIA You would also be helpful in our general thread for Lindsey too if you have the time to answer or aide in any ?'s many have!
Here is the link to it for you:
WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3925112&posted=1#post3925112
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I'm sorry I don't. I've done the standard searches through RSO lists and court records and I've seen different boards posting information on him, but nothing stands out. It was announced on the local news tonight that he voluntarily took and passed a lie detector test.
Oops..I see that has already been reported..lol.
Is there any way to send a private message on this forum?
Angel Who Cares
07-02-2009, 03:33 AM
I'm sorry I don't. I've done the standard searches through RSO lists and court records and I've seen different boards posting information on him, but nothing stands out. It was announced on the local news tonight that he voluntarily took and passed a lie detector test.
Oops..I see that has already been reported..lol.
Is there any way to send a private message on this forum?
To send a private message just click on the posters name & you will see you can send a private or post a message on their public page. I'll send you one & you will see at the top of the right of the thread under your hat name that you have a message. I hope that helps...let anyone of us know if you still have trouble with sending one.
I just tried to send you private message...you have your settings to not be able to receive one. You need to go to User CP settings that is located in the bar across the top & change your settings to get one. If you still have trouble let us know or maybe a mod can help you with it! :wink:
Thanks so much for the info & your help here at WS's & on the astro forum's.
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Angel Who Cares
07-02-2009, 03:43 AM
I wanted to make sure that all of our amazing astrologers didn't miss this new article!
Police list signs of possible abduction suspects
10-year-old missing: McCleary ‘pretty much searched’ since Friday
Published: 07/02/09 12:00 am
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As the days pass and searchers in McCleary find no sign of missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, investigators have to consider it likely that the child was taken from the street against her will, Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said Wednesday.
Lindsey disappeared Friday night after leaving a friend’s house to walk alone about a half-mile to her home on Mommsen Road.
The last person to see Lindsey was a resident driving though McCleary who saw her walking on Maple Street between Fifth and Sixth streets about 9:15 p.m. She was about halfway home, near the center of town.
Scott said it is unlikely that Lindsey would have been able to run away from home and remain hidden, given the media attention generated by her disappearance.
If someone is responsible for Linsdey’s disappearance, he or she might be exhibiting odd behavior or showing warning signs, Scott said. People should be on the lookout for these signs among friends, co-workers and even loved ones, he said.
Scott suggested that one or more of the following warning signs might raise a red flag and should result in a call to police:
• Someone suddenly changing his or her physical appearance, such as cutting or dyeing hair or shaving a mustache or beard.
• Someone suddenly getting rid of a car.
• An unexplained or out-of-character absence from work.
• Unexplained cuts or bruises to the face or arms.
• Someone picking up or resuming bad habits such as smoking or drinking, or changes in mood, such as being depressed or irritable for no apparent reason.
Wednesday’s search for Lindsey focused on areas 3 to 4 miles outside McCleary and included about 20 people and search dogs, Scott said. The search included logging roads and private roads that were accessible when Lindsey went missing, he said.
The landfill in McCleary also was searched for clues Wednesday.
“We’ve pretty much searched the city of McCleary and the immediate area surrounding that,” Scott said.
No planes or helicopters were used in Wednesday’s search, but there might be another air search later, he added.
Article:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/797683.html
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mollymil23
07-02-2009, 12:06 PM
comments on his myspace say happy bday on June 29th 2009 and he is 28. SO I think we can guess his DOB to be 6/29/1981. i wil do some more digging to see if i can find something more concrete on DOB
I think he may be fibbing regarding his age. Veromi puts him at either 35 or 36. Articles re. him and his business put his age at 31 back in 04...so the 28 is just wishful thinking, I think. I must say I would love to be 28 again as well...
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Keep looking, Kat. We would like his birth data.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Soulscape, he was cleared by LE through a LDT (I see the article was brought here too) also he was interviewed in a short clip shown on NG and he in no way fits the profile that Tuba did for us physically for the perp. JMHO on that.
JnTexas and I have been working on someone else that may be of interest and might fit the profile of the perp Tuba outlined. We aren't doing it by PM's we are posting to each other's profile pages and it's out in the open for all to see and read should they come by our pages.
I think we both have some work to do on him before we can bring him to you. We will work on his date of birth as well.
As his name has not been mentioned in the media at all in connection to this case I know that we must err on the extreme side of caution but JnTexas and I can tell you that it is a brother to KK. We will continue to try to rule him out, and if we can't we will bring his information for you all to have a look at.
~Kat~
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 03:44 PM
This guy was picked up. Its been discussed on the main page about Lindsey, so I thought I would bring it over. He was covicted of rape in the 90's and failed to registar. Thought you might want to look into it.
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=749016&AgencyID=54528
I find it strange he was picked up and now the search has been called off.
Soulscape
07-02-2009, 04:04 PM
This guy was picked up. Its been discussed on the main page about Lindsey, so I thought I would bring it over. He was covicted of rape in the 90's and failed to registar. Thought you might want to look into it.
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=749016&AgencyID=54528
I find it strange he was picked up and now the search has been called off.
Thanks, Butterfly.
Can we get his DOB?
Thanks,
Soulscape
ChattyWoman
07-02-2009, 04:19 PM
could this be him?
DRL Grays Harbor, WA
DOB 8/20/68
http://criminalsearches.com/summary.aspx?fn=derek&ctl00%24MainContent%24mn=robert&ln=ludington&city=&ctl00%24MainContent%24state=&zip=&x=49&y=16
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 04:21 PM
could this be him?
DRL Grays Harbor, WA
DOB 8/20/68
http://criminalsearches.com/summary.aspx?fn=derek&ctl00%24MainContent%24mn=robert&ln=ludington&city=&ctl00%24MainContent%24state=&zip=&x=49&y=16
Yep thats him.....
He is 40 years old,, the charges are the same, and it stated somewhere else he was born in 68.
FifthEssence
07-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Thanks, Butterfly.
Can we get his DOB?
Thanks,
Soulscape
LUDINGTON DEREK ROBERT 08/20/1968 40 In Custody Grays Harbor County Jail Grays Harbor County Jail
Offender ID: 36241 Offender Name: DEREK ROBERT LUDINGTON Date of Birth: 08/20/1968 Age: 40 Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: Grays Harbor County Jail Race: White Gender: Male
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 04:38 PM
This shows DOB as 1/1/68 :confused:
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Grayland-Washington.html
If you read further down it says this ibformation is based off the Officail Washington Website, if you follow the link out it doesn't list his birthdate just 1968 and that he is 40. So they may have just used Jan. 1 as a DOB because one was not listed. I think the August birthdate is correct. Aslo if the January birthdate was correct he would be 41 not 40.
FifthEssence
07-02-2009, 04:40 PM
This shows DOB as 1/1/68 :confused:
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Grayland-Washington.html
I can't believe how many SO sites I had to go to to find his actual DOB. All I was seeing he was 40 yr old. I believe they list 1/1 as the month and day IF they don't have confirmed info on these other site.
I copied the info directly from Vinelink/Washington State Offenders
ChattyWoman
07-02-2009, 04:41 PM
I believe the August is correct DOB, too.
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 04:47 PM
I can't believe how many SO sites I had to go to to find his actual DOB. All I was seeing he was 40 yr old. I believe they list 1/1 as the month and day IF they don't have confirmed info on thiese other site.
I copied the info directly from Vinelink/Washington State Offenders
You explain things so much better than I do, I go off and give this long drawn out explanation and still don't think I got my point acroos, you use a few words and the point is made, LOL.
ChattyWoman
07-02-2009, 04:55 PM
You gave a good explanation, Butterfly... I understood, it is just a default setting....:)
I didn't take the time to read that long paragraph on the 'city-data' site.
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 05:18 PM
Another intresting thing. In one of the charts it stated someone known to Lindsey and that they were fit, in so many words. K Kamplin the mother of Lindseys friend that sent her home, apparently was an editor of a Muscle magazine. Several of the key players we have heard about are also listed on this website.
http://www.getbig.com/magazine/monstermuscle/monstermuscle.htm
With the description in the chart of the perp, this might be something to consider. I am trying to locate a birthdate for Kara now, will post if I find one. She is also the one talking so much in the media and the internet, kind of a reminder of Melissa Huckaby in Sandra's case.
FifthEssence
07-02-2009, 06:23 PM
Another intresting thing. In one of the charts it stated someone known to Lindsey and that they were fit, in so many words. K Kamplin the mother of Lindseys friend that sent her home, apparently was an editor of a Muscle magazine. Several of the key players we have heard about are also listed on this website.
http://www.getbig.com/magazine/monstermuscle/monstermuscle.htm
With the description in the chart of the perp, this might be something to consider. I am trying to locate a birthdate for Kara now, will post if I find one. She is also the one talking so much in the media and the internet, kind of a reminder of Melissa Huckaby in Sandra's case.
Thankyou Butterfly:), we already have hers and needless to, her chart indicates she is quite chatty.
We do need a correct DOB for a party KAT and jnTEXAS have been looking into. See KAT's post above.
Wesley K, Day of birth (from message of Happy Birthday on his Myspace).
June 29. He identifies himself as a cancer. He gives his age as 28.
IMHO his date of birth would be July 29, 1981.
Let me verify that year of birth before a chart is drawn up please? He had a restraining order against him at one time and I want to see if there is a year of birth listed on that...I will ask JnTexas. But the day I am confident on, given his happy birthday messages left by friends on myspace.
mollymil23
07-02-2009, 06:45 PM
I still think the 28 yo thing is false. We can be any age we want on myspace. Veromi.com states he is either 35 or 36 and an article about his business from when he lived in Idaho stated he was 31 y.o. then (2004)...so I think his year of birth is either 73 or 74.
FifthEssence
07-02-2009, 06:49 PM
I still think the 28 yo thing is false. We can be any age we want on myspace. Veromi.com states he is either 35 or 36 and an article about his business from when he lived in Idaho stated he was 31 y.o. then (2004)...so I think his year of birth is either 73 or 74.
I read the same article that said he was 31 in 2004.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=42152
Unfortunately, I think we're gonna have to dig a little deeper.
Soulscape
07-02-2009, 06:51 PM
Let me verify that year of birth before a chart is drawn up please? He had a restraining order against him at one time and I want to see if there is a year of birth listed on that...I will ask JnTexas. But the day I am confident on, given his happy birthday messages left by friends on myspace.
Kat, who exactly is Wes in the grand scheme of things?
On another note, assuming the 8/20/68 DOB is correct, the RSO Ludington's chart does not 'look' like a typical SO chart. We are taking a closer look before we post. As both Tuba & I pointed out earlier, the charts indicate the perp is someone Lindsey knows --- at least well enough to get into a car with him.
Thanks,
Soulscape
I found his year of birth on his court docket for domestic battery in Coeur d'Alene ID.
His year of birth is listed as 1973.
I have to say, I have never seen a man lie about his age like that before. That's odd to me. I guess you see something new on WS's every day huh?
Every time I try to post I get kicked offline. I'm sorry.
Here is the link to the ID docket case, if it doesn't work just do a search for his name. Three cases, two civil involving money...and one domestic battery.
Name: Kampen, W J Year of birth: 1973
City: Coeur d'Alene State: ID
https://www.idcourts.us/repository/partyResults.do
Kat, who exactly is Wes in the grand scheme of things?
On another note, assuming the 8/20/68 DOB is correct, the RSO Ludington's chart does not 'look' like a typical SO chart. We are taking a closer look before we post. As both Tuba & I pointed out earlier, the charts indicate the perp is someone Lindsey knows --- at least well enough to get into a car with him.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Soulscape. Wes caught mine and JnTexas eye after reading the description of the perp that may have abducted Lindsey.
Wes is the brother of Kara K. He now resides in WA. He is a body builder. He has blogged about issues with possible depression, and he has a history of domestic violence.
We were just bringing his info here for you all to consider if you wanted to have a look at him.
jnTexas
07-02-2009, 07:22 PM
I found his year of birth on his court docket for domestic battery in Coeur d'Alene ID.
His year of birth is listed as 1973.
I have to say, I have never seen a man lie about his age like that before. That's odd to me. I guess you see something new on WS's every day huh?
I knew his kid was in Idaho I never thought of searching. Awesome Work!!
I wonder if the lying about his age has to do with weightlifting? Maybe they go by age?
jnTexas
07-02-2009, 07:28 PM
Every time I try to post I get kicked offline. I'm sorry.
Here is the link to the ID docket case, if it doesn't work just do a search for his name. Three cases, two civil involving money...and one domestic battery.
https://www.idcourts.us/repository/partyResults.do
wow domestic battery in Idaho $500 fine and 20 days in jail. That's just enough to really p someone off!! Our ustice system is just great!
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 08:02 PM
Kat, who exactly is Wes in the grand scheme of things?
On another note, assuming the 8/20/68 DOB is correct, the RSO Ludington's chart does not 'look' like a typical SO chart. We are taking a closer look before we post. As both Tuba & I pointed out earlier, the charts indicate the perp is someone Lindsey knows --- at least well enough to get into a car with him.
Thanks,
Soulscape
He could have known her through a friends parents or something, he isn't far from mcleary at all so he could even work there for all wee know, she may have known him, he is only 40 he could be dating a friends mom, or something.
Fifth I didn't see the chart for Kara, I will look again and thanks.
FifthEssence
07-02-2009, 08:05 PM
Butterfly, we have not posted KK's chart. Not necessary at this time.
butterfly1978
07-02-2009, 08:07 PM
Kat, who exactly is Wes in the grand scheme of things?
On another note, assuming the 8/20/68 DOB is correct, the RSO Ludington's chart does not 'look' like a typical SO chart. We are taking a closer look before we post. As both Tuba & I pointed out earlier, the charts indicate the perp is someone Lindsey knows --- at least well enough to get into a car with him.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Wes is somehow related to the KK, he was listed as part of the magazine I posted earlier the muscle magazine.
I totally agree with Soulscape that Derek Ludington's planets are not what you expect to see in a sexual offender, a child rapist! True, last year and this have dealt the man born August 20th a bum kick because Saturn was on his extremely benefic and spoiled Venus-Jupiter conjunction but that was not true in 1996 when he offended and was charged and convicted. He must have that Saturn in Aries and the Sun square Neptune in prominent Houses. Not that I don't think this man is the culprit, just that I am shocked that he was born with such good planets. He does not look like Aries rising either.
As parents, as humans out for a walk and as astrologers, we have to look at the chart for last Friday and ask if this was a good and safe time to be taking a walk before absolute nightfall. The House of the walk itself is H. 3, which in the natural zodiac belongs to II. In this event chart, the cusp is taken by Aries and the House is empty ( called the "accidental" wheel or House arrangement ). The ruler is Mars. Mars is found in House 4 with Venus, a protective influence over the trouble that Mars can bring. And Mars trines Saturn. However, Saturn is in a House of peril given to the most serious illnesses, to heavy raw sex and to death. So Saturn, ruler of the Ascendant is going to have an easy time with Mars-Venus, a smooth facilitated trine. Venus and Mars together, conjunct, and ruling opposite poles of the House 3, House 9 axis but look at House 9--our old nemesis Vindemiatrix, the Star of Loss, Death and Widowhood. So that star is irradiating the walk home.
Then we look at the natural ruler of taking a walk or walking home, Mercury. It is in the Sign of walks, II and very, very tightly afflicted to Saturn (fat square). This walking Mercury is found in the House of the child. It all ties together like the post office likes packages. And what is in 12th House relation, ambush, sorrow and confinement, to the walking child but that pair of hot rocks, Mars and Venus.
Part of Misfortune is a point in an easily told story but it is still odd to see it at the zenith of the horoscope for the event. Maybe it is so prominent that someone who has not come forward witnessed at least the perpetrator's first moves. The chart bears that out because several figures are active at the same time: the victim Mercury, the perpetrator Saturn, plus Sun, Venus, Mars. The Moon I give to the child as her co-ruler; see how young the Moon is just 6° into the Sign.
Lastly, Uranus, although intercepted is 4° from the cusp of walking. Uranus is an outer planet and not a comforter-protector; instead Uranus supplies the surprise element and is known for law breaking. So, if this were one of those evening courses in self-defense and taking care of yourself at night in the streets, the answer to the question "Is this a safe time and place to take a walk?" would be a resounding NO! Even more emphatic a NO if you are small and but ten years old.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/LindseyBaun073.jpg
scandi
07-02-2009, 08:26 PM
Hi Everyone,
A question: How literally do you take the possibility the perp is 'someone in authority'?
I don't think the BF of a friends mother would be classified as such. He would have no authority over her except he is an adult, right?
The reason I ask is on the other thread a poster wondered if it was possible the perp could be someone in LE. Preposterous we would say. But then to come over here and read that sent a shiver down my spine. An off duty cop, maybe from a surrounding town, well, stranger things have happened in real life.
It could be someone from her school or the one in Elma or someone from her church, perish the thought. But they would be real authority figures.
Soulscape
07-02-2009, 08:50 PM
Hi Everyone,
A question: How literally do you take the possibility the perp is 'someone in authority'?
I don't think the BF of a friends mother would be classified as such. He would have no authority over her except he is an adult, right?
The reason I ask is on the other thread a poster wondered if it was possible the perp could be someone in LE. Preposterous we would say. But then to come over here and read that sent a shiver down my spine. An off duty cop, maybe from a surrounding town, well, stranger things have happened in real life.
It could be someone from her school or the one in Elma or someone from her church, perish the thought. But they would be real authority figures.
Scandi,
You have to look at 'someone in authority' from the perspective of 10 year old girls in general, and Lindsey Baum in particular.
'Someone in Authority' could be: a parent, teacher, minister, doctor, coach, cub scout/girl scout leader, older relative like an uncle/aunt/grandfather, good friend's parent/significant other/relative, etc. --- as well as persons adults would consider to be 'someone in authority' such as police officer, etc. Some children perceive just about any adult they know to be an 'authority figure' while others don't.
The receptions between the planets signifying Lindsey (MERCURY) and the perp (SATURN) are such that we strongly sense she knew him (at least well enough to get into a car with him).
Hope this helps,
Thanks,
Soulscape
charminglane
07-02-2009, 09:16 PM
That might be me-regarding LE. I was wondering who the juvie brother would listen to about ending the argument and sending him home. I don't see him listening to a woman. I see him listening to a "big guy" or LE.
Soulscape
07-02-2009, 09:44 PM
Kat and JnTexas,
I have reviewed Wes K.'s chart and what I primarily see is a troubled soul who deals continuously with depression and damaged self esteem. He struggles endlessly with thoughts of not being 'good enough,' perhaps even suicidal thoughts, while at the same time having to deal with extremely strong, aggressive tendencies that are terribly difficult to manage. What appears to 'save' him is his dedication to his training, his competitions. When he doesn't manage his powerfully aggressive energy wisely, he gets himself into trouble -- e.g., arrested on domestic violence charges.
Despite the fact that Wes K. conceivably fits both the astrological and criminal profiles of the likely perp, he has no history of sexual offenses. I cannot in good conscience put him on my astrological 'short list.'
If facts are revealed that refute, I will reconsider.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Angel Who Cares
07-02-2009, 10:14 PM
Posted this new article here for you too....I think it might be very important for you all to see right away! We all already knew about her entries about being scared, but they must have found something while checking her PC to suspend searches today. JMHO
Ground Search Suspended For Missing McCleary Girl
Search Intensifies Into Her Online History
Posted: 6:21 pm PDT July 2, 2009
Updated: 6:55 pm PDT July 2, 2009
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The ground search for a missing Grays Harbor County girl has been suspended, but the search into her Internet history is intensifying.
Police are now checking entries in her MySpace page and doing a forensic analysis of her computer looking for new clues.
They found an entry from Lindsey a month ago saying, "I've been getting a lot of nightmares lately and I have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen.”
“That's why we're having the computer looked at now forensically to see if there's any other information that may have been deleted or in some other file we didn't access," said Rick Scott of Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.
The initial analysis shows no evidence Lindsey communicated with anyone online that may have been involved in her disappearance.
Police, crews and volunteers have searched landfills, Dumpsters, creeks and conducted numerous ground searches, but have found no sign of Lindsey. The Mason County Sheriff’s Office is also questioning sex offenders about her disappearance.
Meanwhile, volunteers continue to hand out fliers in an effort to generate tips and keep spreading the word.
Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.
Three billboards went up Thursday across Western Washington asking for the public’s help with this case.
WATCH IT: Where The Search Is Intensifying
http://www.kirotv.com/video/19934319/index.html
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19934096/detail.html
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Kat and JnTexas,
I have reviewed Wes K.'s chart and what I primarily see is a troubled soul who deals continuously with depression and damaged self esteem. He struggles endlessly with thoughts of not being 'good enough,' perhaps even suicidal thoughts, while at the same time having to deal with extremely strong, aggressive tendencies that are terribly difficult to manage. What appears to 'save' him is his dedication to his training, his competitions. When he doesn't manage his powerfully aggressive energy wisely, he gets himself into trouble -- e.g., arrested on domestic violence charges.
Despite the fact that Wes K. conceivably fits both the astrological and criminal profiles of the likely perp, he has no history of sexual offenses. I cannot in good conscience put him on my astrological 'short list.'
If facts are revealed that refute, I will reconsider.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Thank you Soulscape for taking the time to evaluate if he needed to be looked at more closely. I appreciate it very much. I also trust your judgment and will move on towards other people of interest (in my eye, not named by LE) and unless something extreme happens, I agree that we can move on and past Wes.
Thank you again!
jnTexas
07-03-2009, 12:58 AM
Posted this new article here for you too....I think it might be very important for you all to see right away! We all already knew about her entries about being scared, but they must have found something while checking her PC to suspend searches today. JMHO
Ground Search Suspended For Missing McCleary Girl
Search Intensifies Into Her Online History
Posted: 6:21 pm PDT July 2, 2009
Updated: 6:55 pm PDT July 2, 2009
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The ground search for a missing Grays Harbor County girl has been suspended, but the search into her Internet history is intensifying.
Police are now checking entries in her MySpace page and doing a forensic analysis of her computer looking for new clues.
They found an entry from Lindsey a month ago saying, "I've been getting a lot of nightmares lately and I have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen.”
“That's why we're having the computer looked at now forensically to see if there's any other information that may have been deleted or in some other file we didn't access," said Rick Scott of Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.
The initial analysis shows no evidence Lindsey communicated with anyone online that may have been involved in her disappearance.
Police, crews and volunteers have searched landfills, Dumpsters, creeks and conducted numerous ground searches, but have found no sign of Lindsey. The Mason County Sheriff’s Office is also questioning sex offenders about her disappearance.
Meanwhile, volunteers continue to hand out fliers in an effort to generate tips and keep spreading the word.
Police are asking people to get their facts from the police or media and to not flood the tip line after rumors about the case started circulating overnight.
Three billboards went up Thursday across Western Washington asking for the public’s help with this case.
WATCH IT: Where The Search Is Intensifying
http://www.kirotv.com/video/19934319/index.html
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19934096/detail.html
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I surely hope they didn't ust find that entry. GRRRR. We have known about that from what? day 2:furious:
butterfly1978
07-03-2009, 01:37 AM
Tuba, Your chart stated that the perp possably could have recently been laid off. That may be an important clue, is it possable to figure out what type of work he may have done. I know that I have seen you guys do it before in Sandra's case, and yall nailed it....If we could figure out what his profession likely was and see if anywhere in that immediate area had recent layoffs, maybe that would be a good place to start.
That's a really good question, butterfly. He doesn't have a profession in the common sense of that term but is a worker, a labourer. He could have been in charge of inventory and stocking it. He could have loaded trucks. He could have been a farmworker. That end of the food chain. He appeared to be an industrious or steady employee but as mentioned before, this man is not honest. Others suspected that, so he was one of the first to go. I should have made clear before that his dishonesty was not confined to taking what did not belong to him, he lies like a used car salesman.
jnTexas
07-03-2009, 12:35 PM
eThat's a really good question, butterfly. He doesn't have a profession in the common sense of that term but is a worker, a labourer. He could have been in charge of inventory and stocking it. He could have loaded trucks. He could have been a farmworker. That end of the food chain. He appeared to be an industrious or steady employee but as mentioned before, this man is not honest. Others suspected that, so he was one of the first to go. I should have made clear before that his dishonesty was not confined to taking what did not belong to him, he lies like a used car salesman.
That is interesting....So he lies, he knows her or has at least met her, there's a woman in his life whose covering for him wether she knows it or not, he well built and is laborer. Maybe some kind of construction?And most likely lives close, and has had some kind of run in with LE?
Well that narrows it down to half the male population! Just kidding!
Her mom has been away from the dad for 2 yes there has got to be a. Man somewhere. She doesn't look the type to put her love on hold for kids. JMO
Sorry if I have typos we are on the way to the deerlease and it's hard to type on this iPhone. Happy almost 4th everyone!
jnTexas
07-03-2009, 12:43 PM
Wonder if she played softball or soccer? Usually coaches are volunteers. I know slot our coaches are laborers. That would also be someone she would trust and be in authority.
Does the chart give any indication to him possibly having children of his own?
This one has me stumped so far no likely suspect has come up in media
JenniferO
07-03-2009, 12:56 PM
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That is interesting....So he lies, he knows her or has at least met her, there's a woman in his life whose covering for him wether she knows it or not, he well built and is laborer. Maybe some kind of construction?And most likely lives close, and has had some kind of run in with LE?
Well that narrows it down to half the male population! Just kidding!
Her mom has been away from the dad for 2 yes there has got to be a. Man somewhere. She doesn't look the type to put her love on hold for kids. JMO
Sorry if I have typos we are on the way to the deerlease and it's hard to type on this iPhone. Happy almost 4th everyone!
One name keeps coming back to me. He has a police record (not a prison record though) and his wife had been very vocal during this whole thing and making sure to point fingers at different people (trying to throw the LE's off the trail comes to mind). A few things don't fit though 1. as far as I know he's still employed and 2. he isn't well built (he's big, not fat so much but not fit. Does that make sense?)
distracted
07-03-2009, 07:21 PM
One name keeps coming back to me. He has a police record (not a prison record though) and his wife had been very vocal during this whole thing and making sure to point fingers at different people (trying to throw the LE's off the trail comes to mind). A few things don't fit though 1. as far as I know he's still employed and 2. he isn't well built (he's big, not fat so much but not fit. Does that make sense?)
I know exactly who you're speaking of. This person also has had several heart attacks. Would the charts speak to his health, by any chance?
Gailrene
07-04-2009, 01:40 AM
Well I seen the Scott guy on NG tonight he is in noway fit (not ruling him out just can't find anything on him), but I did a little digging on uncle of the friend (hasn't been mentioned in media but is on her mom's myspace) he is a body builder, is on a roid forum, and has a prior record. he also lives in WA just not sure where as of yet.
Is it the James on Michelle Fxxxxxxxx myspace you are talking about?
mistivon
07-04-2009, 01:46 AM
No, and you might want to take the name out of the post before you get into trouble, remember :)
Gailrene
07-04-2009, 03:19 AM
No, and you might want to take the name out of the post before you get into trouble, remember :)
Ooops...thanks. I have a hard time keeping track of everything.
Is the owner of the Baum rental named as a person of interest? If you look at the chart (post #53 above), you'll see that House 5 and House 6 have to be read together because II is found on both cusps. House 6 is the sector governing tenants. Mercury, ruling both cusps is the victim here. Also, the landlord is definitely an authority figure and Mars, co-ruling that House of Authority is found in the real property sector, 4 conjunct property ruler Venus. Further, we have the ruler of House of death in the real property Sign, Cancer. Co-ruler of the House of landlords and other authority figures afflicts and conditions this same Sun. This is Pluto of course, as discussed in earlier analyses, at the fatal degree matching the node.
But if the landlord is suspect, what has he done to hide this victim? The theme of landlord tenant is repeated in the Sign Virgo, which holds killer Saturn and the child's co-ruler. Virgo is the Sign of tenants in the natural zodiac. They are intercepted. That says that there is very important secretive activity occurring last weekend and hiding and deception. Do we know this man's movements last weekend; did he have an alibi for that Friday night?
Salem
07-04-2009, 03:43 PM
Tuba - what about a school principal or teacher? Do you see any school activity in Lindsey's chart? I keep going back to the principal in my mind, although there has been NO talk of such anywhere. Net searches show very little in regards to the school - some upset over disciplinary methods back in 2006 and that's all I could find.
I want to be clear for everyone reading this that this is just speculation on my part. One of those feelings a person gets sometimes and is based on nothing but thin air :)
Salem
SeriouslySearching
07-04-2009, 03:43 PM
That's a really good question, butterfly. He doesn't have a profession in the common sense of that term but is a worker, a labourer. He could have been in charge of inventory and stocking it. He could have loaded trucks. He could have been a farmworker. That end of the food chain. He appeared to be an industrious or steady employee but as mentioned before, this man is not honest. Others suspected that, so he was one of the first to go. I should have made clear before that his dishonesty was not confined to taking what did not belong to him, he lies like a used car salesman.In one of JVK's photos in an alley, there appeared to be what looked like landscaping mulch mixed with dung as if it had accidently fallen out of the back of a truck in a line (like someone hauling it around and it fell between the tailgate and the truck as it was opened). I should mention...this was my opinion only. However, it could coincide with what you are saying here. There is a landscaping biz in Elma.
SeriouslySearching
07-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Tuba - what about a school principal or teacher? Do you see any school activity in Lindsey's chart? I keep going back to the principal in my mind, although there has been NO talk of such anywhere. Net searches show very little in regards to the school - some upset over disciplinary methods back in 2006 and that's all I could find.
I want to be clear for everyone reading this that this is just speculation on my part. One of those feelings a person gets sometimes and is based on nothing but thin air :)
SalemInteresting note: Looking at the landlord's public records, it appears there was a lawsuit against a school district for a complaint of injury on that property. ;) It is also where at least one of the debt judgements came into play against him. One of the attorneys asked to be taken off the case and had to sue for the money owed to him.
Soulscape
07-04-2009, 04:29 PM
The charts give no strong sense of 'teacher.'
Rather, someone who works with/on the land is indicated, possibly with his hands (such as laborer). This person could work on the land, in a profession dealing with land such as landscaping, or own the land. A landlord would fit as an occupation here...
Thanks,
Soulscape
Another reason I think my person of interest is a good fit: his home in Elma is in a distant neighborhood but he own the real property in McCleary where Lindsey lives and that equates neatly to Venus ruler House 9 and also ruler House 4. But this doesn't help us in discovering where she is, sadly. However, H. 12 for his location in Elma is House 8 where one finds her co-ruler Moon and him and that would be some area that is "outback" to Elma.
Soulscape
07-04-2009, 04:52 PM
Lindsey was neutral in feeling about the perp --- didn't like/ love/ fear or hate him, could take him or leave him. This is because MERCURY the Child is in none of SATURN's dignities. The only reason she got into the car was because she knew him at least well enough to do so. He was not a stranger, just some old man.
The perp on the other hand, was very aware of and even infatuated with Lindsey. We see this in SATURN's receptions --- he is in MERCURY's sign and exaltation and in the triplicity of co-ruler MOON.
There are indications in the Last Seen chart Lindsey may have been secretively stalked. The Asteroid DIANA (hunter/hunted) is intercepted (hidden) in Pisces at the 9th degree. With MOON Lindsey's co-ruler at 6 Virgo, she is applying opposition to DIANA and conjunction with SATURN the perp. What occurs is entrapment because Asteroid ARACHNE the sticky web at 18 Capricorn is inconjunct MERCURY the Child and trine SATURN the perp. The entrapment occurs in secret as MOON, SATURN and DIANA are in intercepted signs.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Angel Who Cares
07-04-2009, 05:58 PM
For easy reference I have posted today's & one from yesterday's article's in one post for everyone! Thanks![/COLOR]
Efforts To Find Missing Girl Continue Through Weekend
Posted: 4:06 am PDT July 4, 2009
Updated: 5:17 am PDT July 4, 2009
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Efforts to find a missing Grays Harbor County girl will continue through the Independence Day weekend.
Lindsey Baum, 10, was last seen June 26 in her home town of McCleary.
F.B.I. agents are stopping drivers as they enter the town.
Investigators have also stopped people on foot.
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19947270/detail.html
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New push on to find missing McCleary girl
Story Published: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
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Lindsey was last seen at the corner of 6th and Maple heading home from her friend's house at about 9:15 p.m last Friday.
Fonda Voss is making sure visitors to nearby Straddleline ORV park are being reminded about Lindsey's disappearance. It's a big travel destination and one of the entrances to the Capitol Forest.
"The trails are very big. The Capitol Forest is 80,000 acres. Just keeping people aware when they're out on the trail to just keep their eyes open. It's a big area out there," she says.
At the request of the FBI, Clear Channel Communications also has agreed to put an alert about Lindsey up on their brand new digital billboards through the Kent Valley.
Meanwhile, FBI agents will be working through the holiday weekend, following up on dozens of tips that continue to come in.
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49891642.html
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No strong leads in McCleary girl's disappearance
12:24 PM PDT on Saturday, July 4, 2009
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Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott says crews searched until 10 p.m. yesterday and are out again today. They have no strong leads.
"The likelihood that she's been removed from the community is growing ever greater because we've searched the whole community," Scott said.
Local police, Grays Harbor County deputies and officers from several surrounding communities are hitting the streets this weekend, in case a witness they haven’t spoken with happens to be in town. Scott said it will "look like a police convention is in town."
Investigators hope someone’s habits will help them find Lindsey. Scott is urging people to report any unusual behavior that might point to an abductor, such as suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.
Article:
http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_070409WAB-mccleary-KS.a44c079.html
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“Waiting for a call of hope
Saturday, July 4, 2009 1:13 AM PDT
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On the night before Independence Day, the Baum family wasn’t making plans to drive around and scope out store parking lots for the best viewing spot for fireworks displays, as they’ve done in years past.
As the one-week anniversary of the evening of Lindsey’s disappearance approached, investigators concentrated on developing a profile of what the town might have looked like exactly a week earlier.
“We’re trying to re-create a snapshot as best we can of how McCleary looks on a Friday night,” according to Undersheriff Rick Scott.
“We’ll be checking to see what businesses are open, what their customer base is. ... We’ll be flooding the corridor to see who travels though town on a regular basis at that hour.”
He said law enforcement officers would be focusing on questioning people like couriers or delivery workers, whose jobs regularly bring them through town Friday nights, on the theory that perhaps one of them might have seen something that could lead investigators to Lindsey’s whereabouts.
Baum’s father, who lives in Tennessee, had booked a flight to Grays Harbor this weekend, but Scott said he wasn’t scheduled to arrive until late Friday night.
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Scott said investigators have been following every tip that comes in, but so far most have come to a dead end.
Late this week, investigators had sent Baum’s computer in for forensic testing. Scott said investigators had been able to gather some preliminary information, but it had “yielded nothing.”
Scott said in the coming days, the Sher iff’s Office would also be re-examining interviews that have already been conducted to see if any would warrant any follow-up questions.
As to when or if the search will expand to western parts of Grays Harbor and past the borders of neighboring counties, that depends on what happens by the end of the weekend.
“We’re going to evaluate everything and see what we need to do next,” Scott said. “As the ripples expand further, the miles of logging roads of timberland become so huge we can’t thoroughly search that. It’ll take a long time. The plan for next week will depend on what we can find out Saturday and Sunday.”
Volunteer Jeff Strege of Puyallup walks with Josh Baum, the brother of missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, and Lindsey’s dog Kadence, in downtown McCleary Friday. In the background, McCleary resident Neil Newell hands out informational fliers to passing motorists.
http://www.thedailyworld.com/content/articles/2009/07/04/local_news/doc4a4ef863951fd228403524.jpg
Law enforcement officials are asking anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum to come forward with tips. Tips can be made by phone at 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail at mailto:soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us. They may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, WA 98557.
The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum.
http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/04/local_news/doc4a4ef863951fd228403524.txt
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MASON COUNTY SHERIFF ASSISTS IN SEARCH FOR MCCLEARY CHILD
07/03/2009
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Mason County Sheriff's Deputies have been asked to assist in the investigation of the disappearance of 10-year-old Lindsey J. Baum of McCleary. Four detectives from the Sheriff's Office Special Operations Group are assisting the McCleary Police Department and Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office in following up on a large number tips coming in about the disappearance. Mason County Detectives have also assisted the investigation by verifying addresses and providing information to the investigation about registered sex offenders in west Mason County. Lindsey went missing last Friday, while walking home from a friend's house about ten blocks to her home. Although the search for Lindsey is tapering off, investigators still would like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything unusual in McCleary between 9 PM and 10 PM June 26th.
Article:
http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/News/NewsArticle/tabid/1897/smid/3468/ArticleID/7696/reftab/1632/t/MASON-COUNTY-SHERIFF-ASSISTS-IN-SEARCH-FOR-MCCLEARY-CHILD/Default.aspx
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Teekah Lewis' mom offers advice for McCleary family
03:55 PM PDT on Saturday, July 4, 2009
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It's another holiday, and another birthday missed for one local family.
Teekah Lewis turned 13 today.
"It gets harder by the year," says Theresa Lewis.
Teekah disappeared January 23, 1999 as she played at a Tacoma bowling alley. Police later believed the then 2-year-old was abducted
Today, Theresa returned to the spot where Teekah was last seen. She put up signs and 13 balloons in honor of her birthday.
She also says she's trying to avoid coverage of the disappearance of another young girl, Lindsay Baum. The 10-year-old McCleary girl vanished more than a week ago.
Grays Harbor County Sheriffs' Deputies said Saturday that there are no new clues in the disappearance, and it's becoming more likely the girl was taken away from the town, because they've now searched most of McCleary.
Lewis shares the pain the Baum family is going through, and offers her own advice: "Don't never give up, you know she's out there somewhere. My heart goes out to you, being that I've been dealing with it for 10 years, and there isn't one that day doesn't go by that I don't think about my daughter."
Teekah Lewis at age 2 - shortly before her disappearance.
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/M_IMAGE.10a642fdd3f.93.88.fa.d0.75948d61.jpg
VIDEO: Teekah Lewis' mother still looking for answers
http://www.king5.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=377346
Jan. 23, 2009: No clue in 10-year disappearance of Tacoma girl
http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_012309WAB-teekah-lewis-ks.216a09d8.html
Article:
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_070409WAB-teekah-KS.b27ceb4.html
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Here's another case, that I think we all should take the time to remember today too! Sending her family strength & prayers on such a difficult day for them today! :praying:
Tacoma Family Remembers 4th of July Tragedy
It's been two years since 12-year-old Zina Linnik of Tacoma was kidnapped and murdered.
July 3, 2009
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On the 4th of July, it will have been 2-years since 12-year-old Zina Linnik was kidnapped behind her Tacoma home and murdered.
Terapon Adhahn, a convicted sex offender, was arrested and led police to her body. He pleaded guilty to rape and murder and got life in prison.
Zina's family is satisfied with his sentence, but Kalchik wants even tougher laws to keep people like Adhahn off the streets.
Meanwhile, police in the town of McCleary in Grays Harbor County are still trying to find 10-year-old Lindsey Baum who vanished a week ago. They fear she was kidnapped. Zina's father says, "I understand what they're going through because we had to go through exactly the same thing."
Plans are in the works to build two memorials for Zina in Tacoma. One will be at Wright Park and will feature a playground and community plaza. The other will be at the new McCarver Park and will also have a playground, along with Ukranian art and a wall that's inscribed with a poem that was read at Zina's candlelight vigil.
Kalchik says, "Yes, we are glad the city is working on the park and that they want to remember Zina."
Here's how to learn more about the park memorials for Zina Linnik: Http://www.metroparksfoundation.org/zina-linnik-project-at-wright/
VIDEO: Tacoma Family Remembers 4th of July Tragedy
http://www.q13fox.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=879e9072-b507-45a6-85a1-c281a4fdb57b&src=front
Article:
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070309-zinalinnik,0,5829069.story
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Earlier video, but might be helpful to have for reference here!
VIDEO: Search for Washington girl 3:17
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/01/ng.girl.vanish.cnn
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This is the link to jvk's photobucket pictures that she has been so wondeful to take for all of us at WS's! Thanks so much jvk for being so helpful taking your time to do this & also giving us excellent posts of your visits there too!:rose:
McCleary-800: PHOTOS
http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/
McCleary02: PHOTOS
http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/
BGL78: PHOTOS
http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/
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SeriouslySearching
07-04-2009, 06:01 PM
I get the feeling he is older. At least, he is older like late 40s to late 50s or beyond. He likes "Golden Oldies" music perhaps. ;)
Btw~ I love what you are doing here. May not understand it, but love it just the same.
Soulscape
07-04-2009, 08:38 PM
I get the feeling he is older. At least, he is older like late 40s to late 50s or beyond. He likes "Golden Oldies" music perhaps. ;)
Btw~ I love what you are doing here. May not understand it, but love it just the same.
I agree he is older. SATURN, significator of the perp, typically points to an older man, certainly no younger than 40 and possibly 50's or 60's. This man likely owns or manages real estate, or works in the real estate industry or in a business that supports the real estate industry (such as landscaping services) because the Arabic Part of Real Estate is partile conjunct SATURN the perp in the Last Seen Chart.
Thanks,
Soulscape
XPhile
07-04-2009, 11:11 PM
Is the owner of the Baum rental named as a person of interest? If you look at the chart (post #53 above), you'll see that House 5 and House 6 have to be read together because II is found on both cusps. House 6 is the sector governing tenants. Mercury, ruling both cusps is the victim here. Also, the landlord is definitely an authority figure and Mars, co-ruling that House of Authority is found in the real property sector, 4 conjunct property ruler Venus. Further, we have the ruler of House of death in the real property Sign, Cancer. Co-ruler of the House of landlords and other authority figures afflicts and conditions this same Sun. This is Pluto of course, as discussed in earlier analyses, at the fatal degree matching the node.
But if the landlord is suspect, what has he done to hide this victim? The theme of landlord tenant is repeated in the Sign Virgo, which holds killer Saturn and the child's co-ruler. Virgo is the Sign of tenants in the natural zodiac. They are intercepted. That says that there is very important secretive activity occurring last weekend and hiding and deception. Do we know this man's movements last weekend; did he have an alibi for that Friday night?
Tuba, on the general forum and I can go digging for it in a bit, the landlord was mentioned. When jvk did her first photo tour of McCleary, the "town drunk" mentioned him to jvk. I believe his initials are EJ. I'll try to find the two posts where the most information is given about him where a birthdate may be found.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3926001&postcount=197
Angel Who Cares
07-05-2009, 01:52 AM
I'd like to thank all of our amzing astrologers & Fifth, for everything that they all do for all of the missing. I know how much time it takes to do the charts & read them along with how much work we all put Fifth through sometimes!:biggrin:
I know how much each & every case tugs at my heart & can only begin to imagine, how hard it is for the astrolgers, when they read charts that are grim & filled with sadness!
You all are so appreciated by so many here at WS's!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll149/glittergn/thanks/thanx001.gif
:angel: Who Cares!
Salem
07-05-2009, 02:10 AM
Tuba, on the general forum and I can go digging for it in a bit, the landlord was mentioned. When jvm did her first photo tour of McCleary, the "town drunk" mentioned him to jvk. I believe his initials are EJ. I'll try to find the two posts where the most information is given about him where a birthdate may be found.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3926001&postcount=197
I also saw the post by jvk re: EJ. I thought he was younger though (I could definitely be mistaken) and did not realize he was a property owner.
I can help you look for the post.
Salem
Angel Who Cares
07-05-2009, 04:48 AM
Community remains hopeful
Sunday, July 5, 2009 1:14 AM PDT
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Compared to a few days ago, downtown McCleary was quiet on Saturday. No helicopters circled overhead. Traffic was sparse and no satellite news trucks sat in parking lots. The mobile command center truck parked in front of the police station for much of the week, was gone.
“No one who was here last Friday remembered anything,” said Undersheriff Rick Scott. “We received a few suggestions about where to look or who we might talk to who might have been in the area, but we haven’t received any suggestions so original that they haven’t already been (looked at) in some way or form. The community has been helpful with its support, but even they are running out of ideas.”
Baum’s father flew in from Tennessee late Friday evening. He and family members sat on the porch Saturday afternoon looking out at the road, as if expecting Baum to come running up the driveway. He said he didn’t feel like talking to a reporter. He spoke with the Sheriff’s Office Saturday morning, but “wasn’t able to offer much more information,” Scott said.
A donation jar sits near the register at Kathy Stockam’s Five Cents to Five Bucks store.
“She was such a talkative kid,” Stockam said, noting Baum and a group of her friends had stayed at her store until closing time the night before Baum disappeared.
“She would come here a lot, sometimes two times a day. She came in here to remind me her birthday was coming up because we give kids a free helium balloon on their birthday. ... That’s the last I saw her. It’s heartbreaking.”
Scott said law enforcement officials will be spending the rest of the weekend continuing to go back over interviews that have already been conducted to see if any would warrant follow-up questions. He said the next steps would be expanding efforts into areas beyond McCleary and into Thurston County by enlisting the help of local citizens.
“It gets harder the further out you go to search outlying areas,” Scott said. “We’re asking private landowners or anyone who knows those areas well to search on their own properties and neighborhoods and to call us if they find anything unusual.”
A sign showing support for missing McCleary 10-yea-old Lindsey Baum fronts Summit Road Friday.
http://thedailyworld.com/content/articles/2009/07/05/local_news/doc4a5046ad80db5470513203.jpg
Article:
http://thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/05/local_news/doc4a5046ad80db5470513203.txt
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Soulscape
07-05-2009, 08:49 AM
Tuba, on the general forum and I can go digging for it in a bit, the landlord was mentioned. When jvk did her first photo tour of McCleary, the "town drunk" mentioned him to jvk. I believe his initials are EJ. I'll try to find the two posts where the most information is given about him where a birthdate may be found.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3926001&postcount=197
I also saw the post by jvk re: EJ. I thought he was younger though (I could definitely be mistaken) and did not realize he was a property owner.
I can help you look for the post.
Salem
We have a birth date and place of birth, 11/7/1967, Olympia, WA. Please let us know if you can confirm this is correct.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Thelma 53
07-05-2009, 10:56 AM
I have lived in McCleary all my life and I think that we are all guilty of a false sense of security that living in a small town is a safe place to live. Everyone in this little community is very saddened by this. I think that this has been a wake up call for all of here. Something that alot of us have noticed is there hasn't been hardly any kids running around the town this last week. We are all scared.
Since I just started reading this blog, I noticed that someone mentioned the landlords and I just want to say that I know the young couple who own the house and no way should anyone suspect them of anything. They are wonderful people with two daughters of their own.
Let's all keep her in our prayers!
Soulscape
07-05-2009, 11:24 AM
The two key charts in any Missing Person case are the Last Seen and the Reported Missing to Police. The basic information uncovered in the Last Seen chart should be confirmed, and possibly expanded, by the Reported Missing chart.
In this case, little time elapsed between the two charts.
Lindsey Baum was Last Seen on June 26, 2009 at 9:15 pm, a time we believe to be accurate. That chart clearly advised she had been kidnapped by an older man she likely knew, that she was taken by vehicle (likely car or truck), and that the outcome would be critical.
Approximately an hour and a half later, when Lindsey had not returned home, her mother filed a Missing Person Report with local police. Because the report was filed so soon after the Last Seen, none of the planets had changed degrees except for the MOON which traveled from the 6th degree of Virgo to the 7th. What did change were the angles (ASCENDANT, DESCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN, IC) and the house cusps. These changes moved some of the planets' house positions. Additionally, some but not all of the pertinent Arabic Parts shifted positions because many of these are based on position of the ASCENDANT.
I found very little new information in the Reported Missing chart --- other than tragic confirmation that a murder had or was about to take place.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/LindseyBaumReportedMissing.gif
05 Aquarius, a degree of homicide, rises. SUN, the principle of Life is also in the 5th degree (as it was in the Last Seen chart). MERCURY, the significator of the 5th House Child, remains in critical degree, 17 mutable. Chillingly, the 17th degree of Gemini is also a degree of homicide.
In this chart, PHAETHON the car is exactly conjunct the 5th House of the Child cusp, confirming what we saw in the Last Seen. Most unfortunately, MERCURY the Child has slipped into the radix 4th House of Endings / turned 12th House of Misfortune, Sorrow & Woe. EROS the sexual compulsion is now partile square MERCURY the Child and has just passed exact opposition to SATURN the perp.
VULCANUS the Transneptunian associated with explosive force that erupts with unstoppable power, is partile conjunct Lindsey's Secondary Progressed SUN and parallel Event Chart MERCURY the Child (parallels act as conjunctions).
Additionally, the Part of Rape at 00:00 Capricorn is conjunct PLUTO (abductors, rapists) and quindecile MERCURY the Child. The quindecile is an extreme, out-of-control stress aspect and with MERCURY the Child already in critical degree, it is heartbreaking to even begin to imagine what she may have undergone...
The Part of Death 28:15 Aquarius is close conjunct the EQ (a secondary ASCENDANT) foreshadowing dire harm to the body (Ascendant). As in the Last Seen chart, PLUTO at 01 Capricorn is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), always foretelling catastrophe, tragedy or fatality. Additionally, the MIDHEAVEN itself is now in Fateful Degree, having moved from its previous position of 8 Scorpio, partile conjunct the PLUTO/CERES midpoint (kidnapping).
In the Last Seen chart, ALCYONE the Weeping Sisters (always giving something to cry about) was conjunct the 5th House Cusp of the Child. Now, ALCYONE (00 Gemini) is close conjunct the End of the Matter 4th House Cusp which itself is partile conjunct TORO, the Asteroid of Brutality.
At the time of the Missing Person Report, it was still a VENUS Day and a VENUS Hour, highlighting that planet & its testimony above all others. Recall that VENUS was End of the Matter Lord 4 in the Last Seen. Now, she is posited in House 3 (the Near Neighborhood or the vehicle), in critical degree (21 Fixed) partile conjunct the Part of Rage/Murder. Because VENUS as ruler of Taurus disposits herself, there is no way out...
21 minutes after this Missing Person Report time, the Hour Ruler changes to MERCURY, significator of the 5th House Child. With MERCURY the Child in critical degree, in a degree of homicide, and placed in the 4th House of Endings, this is most likely the hour of death: 11:12 - 11:52 pm, had it not already occurred.
At 11:52 pm on June 26, 2009 in McCleary, WA, the ASCENDANT would have moved to 01 Pisces --- the ominous Fateful Degree.
About all we can do now is try to figure out where the poor baby is so we can bring her home.
That and ID'ing the perp so he can get what he deserves...
Love,
Soulscape
i asked this on general thread i'll ask here since some of the locals read here also. has there been any carnivals, fairs, auto shows recently? it is possible especially with the economy for a local who is out of work to seek job with these. it is also possible if it were a local that lindsey has seen and then talked to at carnival, fair or what not to then consider herself as knowing the person and accept a ride home from them.
Salem
07-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Here is the first post by jvk mentioning Eric. No mention of a last name, so it must have been sleuthed out at a later time. I'm still combing the threads. Can anyone tell me what the last name was? I understand it started with a "J"?
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #2
~snip~ Mark added one other thing. Mark said he believes 'Eric' (who lives (according to Marks pointing) in the North-Eastern part of town) 'probably did it' (as in abducting Lindsey) Mark said Eric had conversed with him (@ an unknown time) about 'young girls. ~end snip~
Salem
XPhile
07-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Here is the first post by jvk mentioning Eric. No mention of a last name, so it must have been sleuthed out at a later time. I'm still combing the threads. Can anyone tell me what the last name was? I understand it started with a "J"?
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3926001&postcount=197)
~snip~ Mark added one other thing. Mark said he believes 'Eric' (who lives (according to Marks pointing) in the North-Eastern part of town) 'probably did it' (as in abducting Lindsey) Mark said Eric had conversed with him (@ an unknown time) about 'young girls. ~end snip~
Salem
Salem, I'm not sure how exactly to send a PM through this site, but this guy has been under my skin since jvk's conversation with 'mark'. I have alot more information on him that I couldn't post here that hasn't been added to forums, but I've yet to be able to confirm DOB. I'd be glad to share if you can tell me how to send a PM. :o
And now we have a poster who knows the house owner saying we shouldn't suspect the couple who owns the house so maybe we're barking up the wrong 'Eric' given the information from the source. <shrug> But I say with Tuba's intuition and if we can get a DOB confirmed, then there is no harm in a chart to at least calm some of the "hinky" feelings so some of us not privileged to personally know the people can move on to other subjects in our considerations. Because this is definitely one of my major hangups right now.
And Soulscape, Olympia is correct, I just have no confirmation of the date information.
mistivon
07-05-2009, 04:16 PM
Guys, i have been working on EJ for a long time due to all his cases, along with another forum member. She has his dob, although I am almost positive it is in 68 not 67.
mistivon
07-05-2009, 04:24 PM
OK, you are correct, I was wrong. I found it also as 11/7/67. I imagine it would be safe to start a chart.
JenniferO
07-05-2009, 04:28 PM
Guys, i have been working on EJ for a long time due to all his criminal cases, along with another forum member. She has his dob, although I am almost positive it is in 68 not 67.
I googled him and found him on classmates.com and it says he graduated from an Olympia, Washington high school in 1986. If his birthday is in November then I'm thinking 1967 is correct. November birthday is after the cut off date for starting school.. so he would have started school a year later at the age of 6 instead of 5.
Salem
07-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Salem, I'm not sure how exactly to send a PM through this site, but this guy has been under my skin since jvk's conversation with 'mark'. I have alot more information on him that I couldn't post here that hasn't been added to forums, but I've yet to be able to confirm DOB. I'd be glad to share if you can tell me how to send a PM. :o
And now we have a poster who knows the house owner saying we shouldn't suspect the couple who owns the house so maybe we're barking up the wrong 'Eric' given the information from the source. <shrug> But I say with Tuba's intuition and if we can get a DOB confirmed, then there is no harm in a chart to at least calm some of the "hinky" feelings so some of us not privileged to personally know the people can move on to other subjects in our considerations. Because this is definitely one of my major hangups right now.
And Soulscape, Olympia is correct, I just have no confirmation of the date information.
XPhile - I sent you a visitor message on your profile page. Take a look :)
and THANKS!
Salem
Thelma 53
07-05-2009, 10:29 PM
I thought that I should mention that the couple I know that I was referring to in my first message owns the house that Lindsey and her family live in, but I am curious as to who this Mark guy is that everyone is talking about. Could someone shed some light on him for me? Thanks
XPhile
07-05-2009, 10:58 PM
I thought that I should mention that the couple I know that I was referring to in my first message owns the house that Lindsey and her family live in, but I am curious as to who this Mark guy is that everyone is talking about. Could someone shed some light on him for me? Thanks
This is where he is mentioned Thelma, nothing concrete, but he was encountered when jvk was visiting McCleary.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3926001&postcount=197
FifthEssence
07-06-2009, 03:27 AM
*****REITERATING here*****
The person who owns the Baum home is NOT considered a person of interest by LE.
Because aspects indicate the perp is associated w/ real estate, property construction, tenants, landscaping, related commerce, our members are searching parties in the community associated with or tied in to those type of interests.
A member visiting McCleary had a conversation with a drunk person named Mark who said something about an Eric(k), therefore, it is understandable why this person was looked at .
No one knows 'which Eric(k)' he was referring to nor do we know how true his information was.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #2
moving on..........
Gailrene
07-06-2009, 05:23 AM
Tuba, Your chart stated that the perp possably could have recently been laid off. That may be an important clue, is it possable to figure out what type of work he may have done. I know that I have seen you guys do it before in Sandra's case, and yall nailed it....If we could figure out what his profession likely was and see if anywhere in that immediate area had recent layoffs, maybe that would be a good place to start.
I'm finding all of this very interesting. I just wish some of it struck a stronger cord so there would be an "aha" moment.
The astro charts for the perp said he may be a laborer, working with the land and one who is physically fit...but vain. This is a big logging area and most, but not all loggers are muscular in stature.
As to layoffs in the area...we have had tons of them all over. Any other time and that might be a strong clue, at this time however, it describes over a third of the population, if not more.
Do you see anything about how the perp may dispose of the body, if that is what has come to play?
I ask because there was a sighting of Lindsey in Capital Forest (10-15 min drive from McCleary) on Saturday, June 27 that was unconfirmed. Then late in the afternoon on July 3rd, there was a fire started in Capital forest that is believed to be an arson. It was started in an area that was recently replanted after having been logged. http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-070309-capitolforestfire,0,2450231.story May be nothing but a coincidence, I'll let you decide.
Sorry to dun on about the authority figure in this crime but I think it is all important. The Ascendant for Last seen is Capricorn. Where does that Sign belong in the natural zodiac but at House 10, authority figures. In the 12th House of what happened preceding this disappearance, Pluto~ruler of House 10 of this event. Lindsey's own natal Mars is precisely opposite this Pluto, displaying the coercion, aggression and violence she suffered at this time. Her birth planets had progressed to an alignment where Mars was now on the Sun of the disappearance.
Another accentuated ingredient is Mercury, very strong in II when she disappeared but also very sharply and heavily afflicted. Ditto, in her progressions Mercury had come to a degree of crisis 21° Leo, moving into 22°: not the master of her own Fate, not in control of her own affairs. This progressed Mercury also hovers at the cusp of House 8 in the Last Seen chart. Where does this Mercury come from? In her natal chart it is also on a degree of crisis, 9° Fixed Sign, Leo.
At birth that planet of authority Saturn is 2:17 Taurus square Neptune, the emblem of being caught defenseless. This year of her life, progressed Moon passed over that Saturn. Her progressed Venus is also in II square progressed Jupiter, exact. At birth her Sagittarian Moon had passed the opposition to Venus, so affliction in matters of affection, manners, peace, gentility and kindness was familiar.
We have a severe clash between authority and all things II including coming and going, schooling, neighbors, communicating. We know that in this case, authority gone bad is tapped as responsible for this crime. We know Lindsey was a likely victim for this type of twisted, hypocritical misuser of power because of her Saturn-Neptune square. Have we exhausted all possible McCleary authorities? Landlord, parent, principal, teacher, policeman, fireman, neighborhood watch captain, athletic coach, clergyman, construction super, store owner. I'm sure you can think of additional figures who impose themselves upon children.
XPhile
07-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Have we exhausted all possible McCleary authorities? Landlord, parent, principal, teacher, policeman, fireman, neighborhood watch captain, athletic coach, clergyman, construction super, store owner. I'm sure you can think of additional figures who impose themselves upon children.
This statement brings me back to the neighbor who sent Lindsey's brother home after the argument and later was one of the only ones to see Lindsey on her way home. They were said to be on their way to work in the evening hours at a state or county job if I remember correctly.
Usually, state or county employees who would be heading to work at these hours would be law enforcement, paramedics, nurses, firefighters, park rangers, DOT workers, prison guards, etc. People who would wear uniforms and be able to elicit a certain amount of awe and immediate respect out of children (explaining how they were able to easily make Lindsey's brother obey them even though he's had run-ins with juvenile authorities).
I don't think we've sleuthed much out on this person because not much info has been given, but I think this person warrants a deeper look, imo.
Thelma 53
07-06-2009, 11:20 PM
Thank you X Phile I appreciate you responding back to me so soon. Because I live in this town, I thought the Mark guy I know was who they were referring to but I just wanted to make sure. I will do some checking to see if I can find out who this Eric is. Also, someone mentioned a sighting of Lindsey up in Capital Forest on June 27th? Has anyone been able to confirm this? The reason why is because when we found out about her missing, my husband and I took a flyer and went to the ORV park on the 28th where there was a whole lot of people there and stopped three guys on quads and gave them the flyer and ask them to keep an eye out and to also pass the word around about her missing and then we continued up around Capital Forest looking and there are some strange people out there in the woods.
butterfly1978
07-07-2009, 09:03 PM
I remember something being said about a lot of logging roads out in that area, could he have possably been a logger? Maybe he watched Lindsey ride her bike up and down the road and maybe spoke with her a few times.
There are just so many possabilities, we have to figure out away to narrow this down.
elepher50
07-07-2009, 09:21 PM
This statement brings me back to the neighbor who sent Lindsey's brother home after the argument and later was one of the only ones to see Lindsey on her way home. They were said to be on their way to work in the evening hours at a state or county job if I remember correctly.
Usually, state or county employees who would be heading to work at these hours would be law enforcement, paramedics, nurses, firefighters, park rangers, DOT workers, prison guards, etc. People who would wear uniforms and be able to elicit a certain amount of awe and immediate respect out of children (explaining how they were able to easily make Lindsey's brother obey them even though he's had run-ins with juvenile authorities).
I don't think we've sleuthed much out on this person because not much info has been given, but I think this person warrants a deeper look, imo.
XPhile, I am in total agreement with you on this. I would love to know who turned brother around and sent him home. And who would Lindsey feel she would know well enough to get a "ride home" as there is no evidence of a struggle and no scent picked up past I believe it was 6th Street. This points to a snatch from the street or at least Lindsey entering into a car with someone she felt fairly comfortable with. There is a guy in McCleary who works for the government, has assisted in leading at least one of the vigils, is familiar with surrounding outlying woodlands around McCleary, is well connected in the Church that Lindsey attended, has conicidently lived in areas where other children have gone missing, has been reported as having taken brother Josh fishing and is known to the family. This guy was born October 13, 1964 in Corvallis, Oregon and now lives in McCleary - makes him 45 years old this year. Was married and is divorced - not sure of current marital status. Has had multiple court records in Washington including a restraining order.
Not on any witch hunt here so am not putting out a name, but this guy needs to be looked at extemely closely. Links to public records are available to backup all the information on this guy. Wonder if it were he who turned Josh around?
Gailrene
07-07-2009, 09:22 PM
Has anyone asked yet for a chart to be done on WW dob 10-13-64?
elepher50
07-07-2009, 09:26 PM
Has anyone asked yet for a chart to be done on WW dob 10-13-64?
No, but I have all the links to backup the information on this guy - we will let Tuba, Soulscape, and Fifth digest the information and with their experience/knowledge they may decide to run a chart.
ETA: I would like to see a chart on this guy but it is up to our Astros to decide - it takes a lot to do the charts.
Soulscape
07-07-2009, 10:11 PM
Previous commentary in this Thread from both Tuba and myself indicates:
1. Lindsey likely knew the perp (at least well enough to get into a vehicle with him).
2. Lindsey likely considered the perp to be an authority figure.
3. Several suggestions of possible occupations (including the possibility of being laid off/ unemployed) were given. (See various posts of Tuba and myself within this thread.)
This evening I was once again studying the Last Seen Chart and happened to key in on the solstice point for SATURN (the perp) --- 13 Aries.
In the Last Seen chart, 13 Aries is located within the 3rd House of Neighbors/ Near Neighborhood. Moreover, SATURN in Virgo is disposited by MERCURY in Gemini -- sign and ruler of the 3rd House in the natural wheel. This is strong testimony the perp is a neighbor.
In comparing to Lindsey's sunrise natal chart, 13 Aries appears in the 10th House of Authorities.
The charts support each other. The perp was known to Lindsey, she likely considered him to be an 'authority figure,' and the likelihood that the perp is a neighbor / someone living in the local area is high.
Thanks,
Soulscape
i was reading your post Xphile and the first thing that popped into my head was that she will be coming home. don't know when, but i do believe she will be found. hopefully its very soon.
FifthEssence
07-08-2009, 01:50 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif
So many of you work tirelessly researching and digging deeper and deeper into the few facts that LE presents or the news sources report.
It is this sort of dedication and desire to bring comfort and resolve to families, to see justice prevail that drives one to investigate beyond the obvious, looking into the cracks and crevices, lifting up the corners of the rug, exploiting every possible scenario and questioning every person along the way.
These efforts, this harmonious force you are part of has made Websleuths.com
the finest machine of it's kind on the net.
In doing your investigative research, many come to us requesting charts for persons you are curious about although they are not a 'major' player in the case nor considered a POI in the eyes of LE.
Out of respect for privacy, we do not post those charts of these persons. Additionally, the privacy concerns in the TOS/Terms of Service @ WS ask the same and so it must be this way.
Just so you know, our core Astros work together in the background and do take a look at the charts of the persons you bring us. Should the party be announced or reported by LE as a person whom they are taking a look at or considering integral to the case, we will post the chart at such time.
Please do continue to bring us the Date of Birth (& and location if known) of the person(s) your research qualifies an inquiry in to and do include a link from the thread associated with the respective research, news links inclusive.
Thank you ALL for being the voices of the 'Innocents', those who cannot speak up for themselves.
Blesssings,
FifthEssence.
elepher50
07-08-2009, 08:40 AM
Oh my XPhile, this is terrible - I don't have dreams like this but you do have my sympathies - it has to be hard on you. You weren't sneaking any peeks at a particular Flickr account before you went to bed were you? Now, I have to ask did the perp look anything like this?
scandi
07-08-2009, 11:04 AM
Oh my XPhile, this is terrible - I don't have dreams like this but you do have my sympathies - it has to be hard on you. You weren't sneaking any peeks at a particular Flickr account before you went to bed were you? Now, I have to ask did the perp look anything like this?
Hi Elepher, You are an expert at MySpace accounts I know. I hope this is proper but I can't find a mod here to ask, but if there was an article about this case that mentions the name of one of Lindsey's friends who is a minor and there is disturbing info in her MySpace writings, can that be posted on this thread? Ta
Haddie McFaddies Mom
07-08-2009, 11:41 AM
This guy was picked up. Its been discussed on the main page about Lindsey, so I thought I would bring it over. He was covicted of rape in the 90's and failed to registar. Thought you might want to look into it.
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=749016&AgencyID=54528
I find it strange he was picked up and now the search has been called off.
Hi ~ I wouldn't post on this thread unless I thought it was extremely important...so here goes....
From Here...http://www.myspace.com/445918694
To Here REMOVED- believed to be a MINOR
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964
IS THIS THE SAME GUY???
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey
Have to meet a friend for lunch. Will be checking back as soon as I fly in the door ~ Thanks!
Salem
07-08-2009, 01:57 PM
Are we talking about RPHMF? The last link doesn't work for me.
Salem
scandi
07-08-2009, 02:30 PM
Are we talking about RPHMF? The last link doesn't work for me.
Salem
Yes, Salem, that is the guy. I read this somewhere else and will go grab the article if you want me to as her name is in it. She mentioned a guys name that began with the first 3 letters of this guys name, thouught he was 30 - turns out he's like 20, but he tried to kiss this friend of Lindsey's and it totally revolted her. He lives in a town that is close by.
I think that is kind of a major possibility and we have actually looked at WW for less!
PS: You can understand I was concerned because of the site I found it on while reading if you get what I mean. It was just posted last night.
scandi
07-08-2009, 02:37 PM
Hi ~ I wouldn't post on this thread unless I thought it was extremely important...so here goes....
From Here...http://www.myspace.com/445918694
To Here REMOVED- believed to be a MINOR
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964
IS THIS THE SAME GUY???
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey
Have to meet a friend for lunch. Will be checking back as soon as I fly in the door ~ Thanks!
Pretty sharp there Haddie ;} It is the link with Zidane in it. He doesn't appear to be an authority figure tho as she said he was kind of childlike {my word} so it would just have to be his age maybe the tattoo's that would make a young girl even talk to him IMO. Kinda scary or creepy lookin' I think.
elepher50
07-08-2009, 02:53 PM
Hi Elepher, You are an expert at MySpace accounts I know. I hope this is proper but I can't find a mod here to ask, but if there was an article about this case that mentions the name of one of Lindsey's friends who is a minor and there is disturbing info in her MySpace writings, can that be posted on this thread? Ta
Hi Scandi, Really no expert on MySpace but I think it is important for WSers to see the information and do some more digging. Since it is a minor's account, I wouldn't post it directly onto to WS but would snapshot it and push it out to PhotoBucket and then link to the PhotoBucket article from the WS posting.
FifthEssence
07-08-2009, 03:42 PM
Hi Elepher, You are an expert at MySpace accounts I know. I hope this is proper but I can't find a mod here to ask, but if there was an article about this case that mentions the name of one of Lindsey's friends who is a minor and there is disturbing info in her MySpace writings, can that be posted on this thread? Ta
Hi Scandi, Really no expert on MySpace but I think it is important for WSers to see the information and do some more digging. Since it is a minor's account, I wouldn't post it directly onto to WS but would 'snapshot' it and push it out to PhotoBucket and then link to the PhotoBucket article from the WS posting.
(my bold above)
snapshot/screenshot/screen capture- same function but the reference name depends on software you're using
Thank you Elepher! good suggestion when looking @ minors
scandi
07-08-2009, 03:58 PM
Hi Scandi, Really no expert on MySpace but I think it is important for WSers to see the information and do some more digging. Since it is a minor's account, I wouldn't post it directly onto to WS but would snapshot it and push it out to PhotoBucket and then link to the PhotoBucket article from the WS posting.
Hi, I've never studied Photobucket to get it to work. I joined and then was totally lost. LOL Same with making snapshots. I need to take a few hours and learn how to do those things. Ya Ya
He's not a minor tho, already been tracked thru Lindsey's MS account, right? Fair game to study I say. She is 14 and at his age made a big boo boo trying to kiss her, especially when he reviled him. I don't know how one gets birthdate info either.
elepher50
07-08-2009, 04:15 PM
Hi, I've never studied Photobucket to get it to work. I joined and then was totally lost. LOL Same with making snapshots. I need to take a few hours and learn how to do those things. Ya Ya
He's not a minor tho, already been tracked thru Lindsey's MS account, right? Fair game to study I say. She is 14 and at his age made a big boo boo trying to kiss her, especially when he reviled him. I don't know how one gets birthdate info either.
Hi Scandi,
I will spend some time and track through to see what ya'all are talking about and do some digging for birthdate and all that good stuff.
eleph
waltzingmatilda
07-08-2009, 04:21 PM
Pm me scandi, if you have questions. I have an accnt at photobucket and am a little familiar with how to do it. Hopefully someone more experienced will offer help, but I'll try!
wm
scandi
07-08-2009, 04:27 PM
Pm me scandi, if you have questions. I have an accnt at photobucket and am a little familiar with how to do it. Hopefully someone more experienced will offer help, but I'll try!
wm
Thanks Waltzingmatilda, I'm out the door for work right now but I'd love to learn more. I'll find you maybe over the weekend. xox
Haddie McFaddies Mom
07-08-2009, 05:51 PM
Are we talking about RPHMF? The last link doesn't work for me.
Salem
No, the friend listed on RPHMF's page.... his 16th friend named Rick! Looks EXACTLY like the man that was arrested for failing to register as a sex offender in the early days of this case!
The last link I provided is a link to the photos in crankycrankerson's photobucket concerning Lindsey's case and is the arrest/police file picture of DRL.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey
I was hoping for your opinions or confirmation that DRL and Rick, who is 4 Myspace clicks away from MK's (Lindsey's best friend) are one in the same.
I can't believe that link doesn't work. I'll try again.......
(I just posted and tried the link and again it is not working correctly :( Why won't the link translate correctly??? If you can access the crankycrankerson photobucket pictures you will find the DRL arrest screen shot. )
elepher50
07-08-2009, 06:11 PM
Link to DRL Arrested:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/?action=view¤t=004-3.jpg
Haddie McFaddies Mom
07-08-2009, 06:36 PM
Ok, thanks Elepher50! That link that you fixed and just showed is to DRL and the arrest record -
The Myspace link to a person called Rick, who looks EXACTLY like DRL, and is 4 Myspace clicks away from MK's (Lindsey's best friend) is:
http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964
He's 40'ish, "PISSED OFF", has definite sexual connotations to his friend preferences (you have to go in and look at ALL his friends), looks like he may think he's got a nice physique ~ last logged in on July 4th and actually text his mood update from his cell phone.
I am sorry the original post was confusing and that a non-working link made it even more confusing. Does anyone think these two men look like they may be 1 in the same? The resemblance, from what I can see, is amazing.
(derek - de rick) ?
elepher50
07-08-2009, 07:08 PM
Here is an analysis that I have done on these two:
1. DRL has a birthdate of 20 August, 1968 which makes him a LEO Astro sign.
2. Rick1964 lists Astro sign as Gemini on MySpace
3. Usually a name of Rick1964 would indicate a birth year which would make him 4 years younger than DRL who was arrested.
DRL has lived in Arkansas, Nevada and Washington (this is an aside).
Here is link to arrest for DRL in Washington giving birthdate: http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=sdar3JujI4McyBgK3yHq6CNMVjt65biHdF4HeXD7Nbs%3d&input=name#top
Here is a side by side comparison of the pictures of these two for visual reference - there are similarities - do you know of a better pix of Rick1964?:
scandi
07-08-2009, 07:53 PM
Hi Scandi,
I will spend some time and track through to see what ya'all are talking about and do some digging for birthdate and all that good stuff.
eleph
Hi Elepher, The MS links are in Haddie's post #111 above. BTW, you are a peach! lol
I haven't even mentioned this on the other thread but maybe what you find would be a good way to introduce it, right? Hee Hee
Haddie McFaddies Mom
07-08-2009, 07:55 PM
elepher50 ~ It is the same picture, but for some reason it is much clearer (I think it's the John Wayne background that makes it so blurry), on his "friend" RPHMF's page.
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
Thank you.
elepher50
07-08-2009, 08:11 PM
sorry, elepher. it won't let me open that pic from the link in your post since i'm still newbie, but I hadn't seen many pictures of the people being sleuthed out on the forums which made the whole thing even creepier.
Do not go anywhere - I am going to push the pix out to photobucket so you can see it .... give me about 3 minutes.
ETA: Should have timed it - here it is: http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Lindsey%20Baum/WW/?action=view¤t=Closeuppng.png
elepher50
07-08-2009, 08:16 PM
elepher50 ~ It is the same picture, but for some reason it is much clearer (I think it's the John Wayne background that makes it so blurry), on his "friend" RPHMF's page.
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
Thank you.
Here is the pix from the other account:
Haddie McFaddies Mom
07-08-2009, 08:25 PM
Here is the pix from the other account:
Omgosh, I feel like such a pest, but I cannot open either the comparison photo you first did, or the 2nd photo you just posted of DRL. I think it is because I am a newbie also.
Thank you elepher50
elepher50
07-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Omgosh, I feel like such a pest, but I cannot open either the comparison photo you first did, or the 2nd photo you just posted of DRL. I think it is because I am a newbie also.
Thank you elepher50
Not a problem and I know better - here you go:
SideBySide: http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Lindsey%20Baum/Comparison/?action=view¤t=SideBySideComparison.jpg
Clearer pix from 2nd account: http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Lindsey%20Baum/Comparison/?action=view¤t=Rick1964fromothermyspacepage.png
AmandaReckonwith
07-08-2009, 09:19 PM
No clue if this helps, but it is bigger.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/3169289195_0d6d2913cf.jpg
scandi
07-08-2009, 09:22 PM
Not a problem and I know better - here you go:
SideBySide: http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Lindsey%20Baum/Comparison/?action=view¤t=SideBySideComparison.jpg
Clearer pix from 2nd account: http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/elepher50/Lindsey%20Baum/Comparison/?action=view¤t=Rick1964fromothermyspacepage.png
http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif That is so funny, but I will say the forehead does match! Width of the ears and nose too.
No one is ever going to :croc: {ea tchu up ;} Elepher. I simply love your tenacity. It's what sleuthers are all about. And we do have a hello bunch here, don't we. xox
scandi
07-08-2009, 09:27 PM
No clue if this helps, but it is bigger.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/3169289195_0d6d2913cf.jpg
Interesting Amanda, I'm trying to profile that photo as to what his look really says and it is kinda hard. Pretty casual but open and looks like he needs to take a good bath, shave. He almost looks like one of those guys who have a high IQ but are social mismatches, a thinker. And evidently they are not pure thoughts running thru his brain, eh?
paris_paris
07-08-2009, 09:30 PM
Hi ~ I wouldn't post on this thread unless I thought it was extremely important...so here goes....
From Here...http://www.myspace.com/445918694
To Here : REMOVED- believed to be a MINOR
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964
IS THIS THE SAME GUY???
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey
Have to meet a friend for lunch. Will be checking back as soon as I fly in the door ~ Thanks!
I'll play, but I think we're in the wrong thread for this.
Yes I think it looks like him. The year is right. His zodiac sign doesn't match.
I'm interested in "Patrick" in the images there, and am trying to find out more about him.
eta: found him here... http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=811025&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
scandi
07-08-2009, 09:39 PM
I'll play, but I think we're in the wrong thread for this.
Yes I think it looks like him. The year is right. His zodiac sign doesn't match.
I'm interested in "Patrick" in the images there, and am trying to find out more about him.
ITA it is a bit premature for this thread. This Astro thread seems to have a different tack as you can post more here than on the regular threads. That is my fault and I apologise for that.
My copy & paste feature is not working, but if someone wants to bring it to either the main Lindsey or misc Lindsey thread we'd be able to learn more and then bring it back if our Astros think it is warranted.
I don't think we should bring back the second {ebony} link as she is a minor. A Mod might say it is OK as she is linked to Lindsey's MS page.
passionflower
07-08-2009, 09:47 PM
Her 11th birthday was yesterday...........
FifthEssence
07-08-2009, 09:57 PM
just a reminder
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif
Need to remain on topic.... FORENSIC ASTROLOGY
We're busy bees here alright! And I truly hope Lindsey's family knows there are many people working to bring her home.
There's now a whole dedicated forum for Lindsey :woohoo: listing a variety of threads where you can speculate and share whatever interests you're looking in to.
Lindsey Baum - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Don't forget to bring back Dates of Birth, locations, and times.
By the way, if a new search is announced by the officials, XXday @ xx:00 time, please post the details & a link back here in Lindsey's Astro thread.
Thank you
Angel Who Cares
07-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Missing girl’s 11th birthday passes with her still away
Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
<snipped>
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said investigators continue to look ahead to new leads in the disappearance, but Baum’s birthday stood as a milestone for deputies and the family.
“Obviously, a day they’d hoped to be celebrating,” he said, pausing. “It’s not the celebration they’d hoped for.”
No evidence has turned up to point detectives in a “new direction,” Scott said today. He noted tips over the hotline have fallen to a “trickle,” but investigators continue to follow specific leads and conduct interviews.
“We’ve got a dozen (deputies) out on the street today,” he said this morning, but the widespread ground search of the town and outlying areas has been suspended for now.
Though many deputies have worked overtime and labored through weekends, about 15 deputies and detectives are expected to remain on the case throughout the week in hopes of finding a break.
“They’re not giving up,” he said. “There’s no defeat in them.”
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/08/local_news/doc4a54e9c946020927750602.txt
:angel:
Haddie McFaddies Mom
07-08-2009, 11:48 PM
ITA it is a bit premature for this thread. This Astro thread seems to have a different tack as you can post more here than on the regular threads. That is my fault and I apologise for that.
My copy & paste feature is not working, but if someone wants to bring it to either the main Lindsey or misc Lindsey thread we'd be able to learn more and then bring it back if our Astros think it is warranted.
I don't think we should bring back the second {ebony} link as she is a minor. A Mod might say it is OK as she is linked to Lindsey's MS page.
The fact that Rick1964 has prominently posted a picture of a missing boy from 1995 in his Myspace pictures, and he's only 4 Myspace clicks away from MK, and considering he looks just like DRL, perhaps I'll just copy & paste a few links into Miscellaneous.
Sorry to have misposted here. Blame it on the newbie :)
Thank You ~
Angel Who Cares
07-09-2009, 07:42 PM
These are today's & a couple of articles from yesterday(that I missed yesterday!) for you to have here for reference!
Birthday Girl Remains Missing in McCleary on Tuesday, Search Efforts Continue Today
July 8, 2009 at 10:20 am
<snipped>
Scott said today that video footage taken from a nearby Shell station which investigators had hoped would have captured Lindsey yielded no stand-out leads, some leads are still being investigated from the video.
Grays Harbor County Sheriff Mike Whelan says that investigators have received a lot of tips, and that so far the investigation has yielded no primary suspects. "We've been sending teams of detectives out to follow up on those tips" "as far as suspects are concerned, we don't have anyone that we can say is the suspect"
Police are following up on several leads in the case, Scott tells that the Forensic Investigation on Lindsey's home computer has turned up little more, and that they have expanded the computer level search to other computers that Lindsey may have used to access her internet profiles, including the local public library's computer.
Chief George Crumb of the McCleary Police Department said last weekend that friends and family are assisting the search, and that while his department hopes Baum just ran off on her own, "she's been gone far too long."
Article:
http://kbkw.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=524
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VIDEO: Deploying dad misses daughter 5:47
Deploying dad misses daughter 5:47
Lindsey Baum remains missing as her father prepares to go back to Iraq. There's been no trace of Baum for more than two weeks.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/09/ng.girl.missing.cnn
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STILL NO SIGN OF MISSING McCLEARY GIRL
July 09, 2009
<snipped>
It has now been 14 days since 10-year old Lindsey Baum went missing in her home town of McCleary while waking home from a friend’s house and still no sign of the girl.
Lindsey’s 11th birthday came and went Tuesday with searchers seemingly no closer to finder her than they were on June 26th when she vanished.
With very little to go on investigators say dozens of people have been taken off the search and authorites say they are waiting for that one tip or tips that will jump start the probe in the right direction.
Grays Harbor County undersheriff Rick Scott said his officers were trying to keep Lindsey’s pictures and her face in the minds of as many people as possible, hoping that someone will see her or know something or it will jog their memory or provide the information they desperately need.
Law enforcement officials in Grays Harbor County say it appears “likely” that missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum was abducted, perhaps by someone she knew.
Article:
http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/BREAKING-NEWS/STILL-NO-SIGN-OF-MISSING-McCLEARY-GIRL
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Lindsey Baum is Missing: Washington 10-Year-Old Still Not Found
Police Believe Lindsey Baum was Taken by Someone She Knew
<snipped>
McCleary Police and other authorities now believe that Lindsey Baum was taken or went off with someone she knew. A timeline has been developed and a witness saw the little girl walking about halfway to her destination at around 9:15. Surveillance footage taken from a gas station she would have passed later on the way home does not show her at all. That close to her home, officials believe that she went with someone she knew willingly, otherwise sounds and signs of a struggle would have alerted people in the densely housed area.
Lindsey's mother, Melissa, has passed a polygraph test, as has Scott Williams, the father of the child where Lindsey Baum was visiting and one of the last people to see her.
Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1913958/lindsey_baum_is_missing_washington.html?cat=8
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Lindsey Baum is Still Missing: A Tale of Two 11-Year Old Girls
Redirecting Focus: Lindsey Baum's 11th Birthday Passed While Much of the World was Focused on Michael Jackson's 11-Year-Old Daughter
July 08, 2009
<snipped>
While the entire world seemed to be focused on the memorial service of Michael Jackson and an 11-year-old girl's farewell to her father, a missing 11-year-old girl, Lindsey Baum, spent her birthday, her 11th birthday, somewhere other than
with her father. She has been missing since the day after Michael Jackson died. Somewhere between a friend's house and her own, a trip she's made several times before in the past, Lindsey Baum disappeared.
Lindsey Baum has been missing since the day after Michael Jackson died. And while a little 11-year-old girl named Paris cried in Los Angeles, missing her father, family and friends cried in McCleary, missing another little 11-year-old girl, Lindsey.
And the difference in the two cannot be more staggering. Everyone in the world who cares to knows exactly where Paris Jackson is. But no one knows where Lindsey Baum is.
And that is something the world should also focus on...
One could not help but think that if just a small portion of the people who directed their attention to the Michael Jackson memorial service, perhaps just the people in Washington, would just turn their attention to finding Lindsey Baum, she would be found within a matter of minutes and returned to her family. And not only Lindsey, but Haleigh Cummings, Brittanee Drexel, and hundreds of other missing children as well.
VIDEO: Officials: No sign of missing Washington girl
http://www.associatedcontent.com/video/459268/officials_no_sign_of_missing_washington.html?cat=6 4
Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1925146/lindsey_baum_is_still_missing_a_tale.html?cat=8
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LEADS SOUGHT IN LINDSEY BAUM INVESTIGATION
July 9, 2009
<snipped>
What should have been a day of celebration passed with more worry and waiting for the Baum family of McCleary. Lindsey Baum should have had an 11th birthday party on Tuesday, but she still remains missing; a disappearance that has torn the East County community apart for nearly two weeks. However searchers say they are still hopeful that some information may be uncovered that will lead to the discovery of Lindsey's whereabouts.
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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Search for missing McCleary girl scaled back
Story Published: Jul 8, 2009 at 10:30 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM PDT
<snipped>
With little to go on, investigators said dozens of people have been taken off the search. Detectives are now waiting for a tip that will send them in the right direction.
At the height of the search, 75 members of the search and rescue team, as well as up to 35 officers and countless volunteers were scouring Grays Harbor County for the girl, who disappeared while walking home last month.
Without solid tips, the county can't afford to keep the investigation moving at the same pace. The search and rescue team has been dismissed, and the number of officers have been reduced to 12.
Scott, who spoke with the Baum family on Wednesday, said family members are convinced their little girl will be brought home safely.
Scott Baum is expected to fly out next week.
VIDEO: Search for missing McCleary girl scaled back
Lindsey Baum's 11th birthday came and went, but the girl has yet to come home. With little to go on, dozens of people have been taken off the search and detectives are now waiting for a tip that will send them in the right direction.
http://www.komonews.com/news/50322687.html?video=YHI&t=a
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50322687.html
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Officers will mix with revellers this weekend
Thursday, July 9, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
<snipped>
With the town of McCleary shaken by the recent disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, authorities hope to take advantage of this weekend’s Bear Festival to spread information and solicit new tips.
Scott said the extra officers will be patrolling to reassure residents and offer a visible presence to anyone who might want to come forward with new information.
About a dozen investigators, split between the Sheriff’s Office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, will continue pursuing specific leads.
“We’ve got a few things that were called in overnight,” Scott said.
Authorities will check and re-search abandoned houses and farms outside of town today, he said. Volunteers already searched some sites, but officers want to make a more thorough sweep of nearby properties and spread out to some that are farther afield.
Scott said the investigation command office is set to move back to a more permanent home at the Sheriff’s Office in Montesano. A “core group” of investigators will remain on the case as long as necessary.
With the search nearing two weeks, the young girl remains on the minds of many people on the streets of McCleary and stretching out across the nation. Cable news programs continue to follow the story and new Web sites post new information on her disappearance daily.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/09/local_news/doc4a562e3f1f091136422070.txt
:angel:
Salem
07-09-2009, 09:06 PM
Interesting Amanda, I'm trying to profile that photo as to what his look really says and it is kinda hard. Pretty casual but open and looks like he needs to take a good bath, shave. He almost looks like one of those guys who have a high IQ but are social mismatches, a thinker. And evidently they are not pure thoughts running thru his brain, eh?
Scandi - in the big picture from Amanda you can see that the dude is holding a child. You can see the little hand and the car the child is holding. So he's holding and looking at a fairly young child, fwiw.
Salem
scandi
07-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Scandi - in the big picture from Amanda you can see that the dude is holding a child. You can see the little hand and the car the child is holding. So he's holding and looking at a fairly young child, fwiw.
Salem
Thanks Salem as I hadn't noticed that. I'll go take a look-see ;}
Salem
07-09-2009, 09:28 PM
Thanks Salem as I hadn't noticed that. I'll go take a look-see ;}
We should move this discussion over to the main thread. I think this guy is worth talking about.
I'll meet you over there in a bit :)
Salem
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/LindseyBaun073.jpg
I've been on about House 5 and 6 needing to be read together due to the same Sign occupying both cusps but the other end of the axis demands our attention too. Sagittarius holds the cusp of H. 11 and H. 12. Therefore, group involvement or unfamiliar geographic circumstances are allied to the self-destructive acts committed by our perpetrator. O° Sagittarius speaks of a fresh start, a brand new set of conditions and sadly for Lindsey, an exploratory urge--exploring in the broadest sense of the term, as in trying to do something the perpetrator had never done before. His or her self-destructive crimes are shown as the area under 18°49' Sagittarius and that degree squares the Part of Fatality, 18°27' Pisces.
Equally important is the fact that long before the Moon translated her light to Saturn, then Mercury and horrible conflict took over in the afternoon of Saturday June 27, Neptune and Jupiter together rose and later Uranus. We have gotten used to these outer planets in these positions and can even become bored working with the same old influences but they cannot be ignored. They took the life of Michael Jackson and retain many ways to act lethally aside from halting the breath through overdose. Afflicted Neptune-Jupiter is also the signature of the con man and both Venus and Mars were afflicting. These outer planets rose after dark on the night of June 26 and Jupiter does rules both House 11 and House 12. Pluto had just risen when Lindsey disappeared. Pluto is identified to gangs & to one member who stands apart. The lunar node rises in the First House; the node is identified to groups. We have been looking at House 11, groups or circumstances (see paragraph one). Jupiter is in Aquarius, the Sign of groups. Many planets as players or actors in this happening appear in the chart, true since the first analysis. This leads to concern, again Web Sleuths, over groups that were meeting in McCleary the weekend of June 26-28. Was music part of the activity? Very likely. That, or drink, drugs because Neptune is right there at the same degree, with Jupiter. :Banane32:
elepher50
07-09-2009, 10:39 PM
McCleary the weekend of June 26-28th: Neptune at the same degree with Jupiter. What was going on.
There was nothing happening right in McCleary itself from the looks of it. For all the month of June/09 there were 8 events listed for Grays Harbor.
http://visitgraysharbor.com/index.php?Month=June&city=&action=searchresults&pclass%5B%5D=11
Of these 8 events, there are 2 events that ran through the weekend of June 26-28th and 1 event on the 27th only:
Sand and Sawdust Festival (Ocean Shores) - through the weekend: http://visitgraysharbor.com/index.php?action=listingview&listingID=493
Rusty Scupper Pirate Daze (Westport) - through the weekend: http://visitgraysharbor.com/index.php?action=listingview&listingID=494
Ice Cream Social (Seabrook) - only on the 27th June/09: http://visitgraysharbor.com/index.php?action=listingview&listingID=621
nervous_nellie
07-09-2009, 10:40 PM
[QUOTE=Haddie McFaddies Mom;3942236]Hi ~ I wouldn't post on this thread unless I thought it was extremely important...so here goes....
From Here...http://www.myspace.com/445918694
To Here REMOVED- believed to be a MINOR
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
To Here....http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964
IS THIS THE SAME GUY???
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey
Have to meet a friend for lunch. Will be checking back as soon as I fly in the door ~ Thanks!
In regards to the minor myspace mentioned above - the only thing that caught my attention was in the mood updates on may 1st or 2nd she had written that she was really scared and felt that something bad was going to happen....
momtective
07-09-2009, 11:32 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/LindseyBaun073.jpg
I've been on about House 5 and 6 needing to be read together due to the same Sign occupying both cusps but the other end of the axis demands our attention too. Sagittarius holds the cusp of H. 11 and H. 12. Therefore, group involvement or unfamiliar geographic circumstances are allied to the self-destructive acts committed by our perpetrator. O° Sagittarius speaks of a fresh start, a brand new set of conditions and sadly for Lindsey, an exploratory urge--exploring in the broadest sense of the term, as in trying to do something the perpetrator had never done before. His or her self-destructive crimes are shown as the area under 18°49' Sagittarius and that degree squares the Part of Fatality, 18°27' Pisces.
Equally important is the fact that long before the Moon translated her light to Saturn, then Mercury and horrible conflict took over in the afternoon of Saturday June 27, Neptune and Jupiter together rose and later Uranus. We have gotten used to these outer planets in these positions and can even become bored working with the same old influences but they cannot be ignored. They took the life of Michael Jackson and retain many ways to act lethally aside from halting the breath through overdose. Afflicted Neptune-Jupiter is also the signature of the con man and both Venus and Mars were afflicting. These outer planets rose after dark on the night of June 26 and Jupiter does rules both House 11 and House 12. Pluto had just risen when Lindsey disappeared. Pluto is identified to gangs & to one member who stands apart. The lunar node rises in the First House; the node is identified to groups. We have been looking at House 11, groups or circumstances (see paragraph one). Jupiter is in Aquarius, the Sign of groups. Many planets as players or actors in this happening appear in the chart, true since the first analysis. This leads to concern, again Web Sleuths, over groups that were meeting in McCleary the weekend of June 26-28. Was music part of the activity? Very likely. That, or drink, drugs because Neptune is right there at the same degree, with Jupiter. :Banane32:
Hi Tuba,
Could the meeting/gathering alluded to be something as simple as a canasta game and throwing back a few brewskies? http://www.411.com/interstitial/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_b&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Ernest&name=Aaron&street=&city_zip=McCleary&state_id=WA&localtime=survey
SeriouslySearching
07-10-2009, 03:46 AM
I would think the people going camping for the weekend in the area of the 4-wheeling etc. place would be partying a bit with music and drinking. Along with a number of teenagers on any given Friday night at their remote local spots where they congregate to party hearty.
Then again, the bar sitting on Simpson would qualify as another "group" where music and drinking are always on tap.
My thoughts ran to a bar too. I guess there are two main bars in McCleary? It was early to be leaving the bar, of course. Unless he was already leaning by 9:15.
charminglane
07-10-2009, 10:11 AM
We still don't know about rentals in the VFW hall or the community center of McCleary for that weekend.
sooth_seer
07-10-2009, 10:51 AM
Sorry for posting in wrong place.
Salem
07-10-2009, 11:59 AM
I hope everyone is also posting these dreams/visions in the Dreams thread in Lindsey forum. It is useful to have them all in one place. I have noticed sometimes several people will get the same feeling about a certain aspect and when that happens there is generally some merit to it. Having everything together helps us to see similarities.
Thanks,
Salem
sooth_seer
07-10-2009, 12:04 PM
I hope everyone is also posting these dreams/visions in the Dreams thread in Lindsey forum. It is useful to have them all in one place. I have noticed sometimes several people will get the same feeling about a certain aspect and when that happens there is generally some merit to it. Having everything together helps us to see similarities.
Thanks,
Salem
Thanks,
I haven't explored the forum much, and didn't realize there was such a place. I guess I'll go post mine over there, too.
FifthEssence
07-10-2009, 12:07 PM
I hope everyone is also posting these dreams/visions in the Dreams thread in Lindsey forum. It is useful to have them all in one place. I have noticed sometimes several people will get the same feeling about a certain aspect and when that happens there is generally some merit to it. Having everything together helps us to see similarities.
Thanks,
Salem
Thanks dear SALEM.
Everyone has to keep in mind, this is an ASTROLOGY Forum and posts regarding dreams and things of that nature belong in a different forum.
Here's the link for DREAMS regarding Lindsey:
Dreams/Visions? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
I'll give members a little time to copy their posts over to that thread as 'psychic, dream' type posts will be removed from this Astro thread.
Angel Who Cares
07-10-2009, 01:00 PM
VIDEO: 11-year-old girl vanishes 8:07
HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell has the latest on a search for Washington girl Lindsey Baum, who was last seen on June 26. July 9, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/07/09/jvm.lindsey.baum.cnn
VIDEO: Latest on missing 11-year-old 0:54
HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell with the latest on the search for missing 11-year-old girl Lindsey Baum. July 10, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/07/10/jvm.baum.latest.cnn
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Angel Who Cares
07-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Today's articles for easy reference! I will edit this post with any other new articles that come out today! :wink:
The Case of Lindsey Baum and Jaliek Rainwalker, Both Missing
July 10, 12:53 PM
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The latest episode of The Missing features the cases of Lindsey Baum missing out of WA and Jaliek Rainwalker missing from NY state.
Jaleik is a foster child who has been missing missing for 20 months and deserves our help in bringing him home safely. The Next case is that or Lindsey Baum missing our of the state of Washington while making a ten minute walk from her friends house to her house and between that time she disappeared.
For more information on their cases:
Lindsey Baum and Jaliek Rainwalker missing, You can Help! 7:24
This episode features the cases of two children that desperately need you our viewers to help bring them home. The most recent case is that of Lindsey Baum missing out of McCleary, WA. She was reported missing on June 26th. The next case is that of Jaliek Rainwalker missing from Greenwich, NY, he has been missing since November 1, 2007, way to long. If you will please review each case in detail and hopefully you can be a hero and bring home one of these beautiful children home safely
YouTube - Lindsey Baum and Jaliek Rainwalker missing, You can Help!
Lindsey Baum and Jaliek Rainwalker
http://www.thmissing.tv/
Article:
http://www.examiner.com/x-9437-Nashville-Amber-Alerts-Examiner~y2009m7d10-The-Case-of-Lindsey-Baum-and-Jaliek-Rainwalker-Both-Missing
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Search for missing McCleary girl shifts
Last updated July 10, 2009 10:47 a.m.
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Investigators are shifting the base of their investigation into the Lindsey Baum disappearance from McCleary to Montesano.
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott says after two weeks, the command center for the search for the missing 11-year old will be the sheriff's office.
Scott told KXRO the shift should not be taken as a sign of giving up. Investigators are still hoping some clue may be discovered that will lead to Lindsey.
Article:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_missing_mccleary_girl.html
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TIPS ON MISSING MCCLEARY GIRL SOUGHT AT BEAR FESTIVAL
07/10/2009
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The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office will be accepting tips on the missing 11-year-old McCleary girl during this weekend's Bear Festival. Authorities will be pulling their command center out of town to make room for the festival but extra deputies in uniform will remain to talk to the public about Lindsey Baum who disappear June 26th while walking home from a friend's house. Investigators have yet to find any evidence explaining the disappearance.
Article:
http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/News/NewsArticle/tabid/1897/smid/3468/ArticleID/7749/reftab/1632/t/TIPS-ON-MISSING-MCCLEARY-GIRL-SOUGHT-AT-BEAR-FESTIVAL/Default.aspx
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LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH CONTINUES AS INVESTIGATORS LEAVE MCCLEARY
July 10, 2009
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Undersheriff Rick Scott says after two weeks, the command center for the search for the missing 11-year old will be the Sheriff's office in Montesano, which he says is better equipped to handle the search at this time. Scott says sight of deputies pulling out of McCleary should not be taken as a sign of giving up and that investigators are still holding out hope that some clue may be discovered that will lead to Lindsey's whereabouts. In the last two weeks, over 100 searchers have used dogs, horses and helicopters to search the McCleary area for the missing girl who disappeared on the night of June 26th. Around 300 tips have been investigated and tried and true methods have yielded no clues as to what happened two weeks ago as Lindsey walked home from a friends house making this what veterans are calling "the most frustrating case they have faced"
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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Tips about missing McCleary girl sought at festival
Published: 07/10/09 12:00 am
Updated: 07/10/09 1:34 am
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With the town of McCleary shaken by the recent disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, authorities hope to take advantage of this weekend’s Bear Festival to spread information and solicit new tips, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the command center will pull out of town to make room for the festival, but extra officers and deputies in uniform will be present to talk to the public.
“We just want to be here and do what we can to talk to folks,” Scott said.
Article:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/806255.html
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Lindsay Baum, missing 1:55
YouTube - .Lindsay Baum, missing
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YouTube - Lindsey Baum
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Search Continues For Missing McCleary Girl, Now From a Different Office
July 10, 2009 at 10:20 am
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The base of operations for the search will be in the County Sheriff's offices starting this weekend.
Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott tells KBKW that the McCleary Bear Festival this weekend required the parking and rooms that were being used to accommodate the investigators in the case. "We'll work out of here, go to McCleary as needed, and be able to follow up on leads outside of McCleary in a more organized fashion."
Officials will begin tearing down the extensive interagency efforts in McCleary, and releasing some of the 15 to 10 officers per day that have been assisting in the investigation. "We're going to have to accept that this is going to be a case that's assigned to a smaller team of officers" said Scott.
Scott said that video footage taken from a nearby Shell station yielded no stand-out leads, some leads are still being investigated from the video. Scott added that the footage is now being investigated by forensics teams, in hopes of enhancing some of the video.
Police are following up on several leads in the case, Scott tells us that the Forensic Investigation on Lindsey's home computer has turned up little more, and that they have expanded the computer level search to other computers that Lindsey may have used to access her internet profiles, including the local public library's computer.
Article:
http://kbkw.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=524
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Search for missing McCleary girl shifts
01:29 PM PDT on Friday, July 10, 2009
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MONTESANO, Wash. - Investigators are shifting the base of their investigation into the Lindsey Baum disappearance from McCleary to Montesano.
Scott told KXRO the shift should not be taken as a sign of giving up. Investigators are still hoping some clue may be discovered that will lead to Lindsey.
In the past two weeks, more than 100 searchers have used dogs, horses and helicopters to search the McCleary area for the girl who disappeared the night of June 26 while walking home.
Article:
http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_071009WAB-AP_missing-mccleary-girl-search-JM.29849a86.html
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Officials hoping festival crowd will generate leads
Friday, July 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
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Lindsey Baum’s presence will be felt at the McCleary Bear Festival this weekend, as volunteers pass out fliers and law enforcement officials talk to revellers who may have some information. But as time goes by, the search for the 11-year-old girl who vanished into thin air is running low on leads.
There, Undersheriff Rick Scott said his team of officers will set up a “war room” with resources not available in McCleary. The number of officers working on the case will also be pared down, which Scott said would give the case more focus.
“Having a lot of people working on a case can bring in a lot of information,” Scott said. But putting that information together, having a deep understanding of what it means, is what helps solve complicated cases, he said.
“It’s like putting together a puzzle,” Scott said. “Too many people working on it and it gets chaotic.”
To that end, deputies will sit down with the many, many stacks of paperwork generated by the investigation so far to search for any overlooked clues or bits of information, Scott said.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/10/local_news/doc4a577fad8e7e7529366773.txt
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coastal
07-10-2009, 03:59 PM
just a reminder
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif
Need to remain on topic.... FORENSIC ASTROLOGY
We're busy bees here alright! And I truly hope Lindsey's family knows there are many people working to bring her home.
There's now a whole dedicated forum for Lindsey :woohoo: listing a variety of threads where you can speculate and share whatever interests you're looking in to.
Lindsey Baum - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=351)
Don't forget to bring back Dates of Birth, locations, and times.
By the way, if a new search is announced by the officials, XXday @ xx:00 time, please post the details & a link back here in Lindsey's Astro thread.
Thank you
I've been re-reading the earlier news stories about Lindsey, and noticed a particular "timed event" that may not have been addressed directly; I don't see any reference to it in the charts that have been posted. I've brought you a link and a snip from the article, along with my hope that it might help:
http://tinyurl.com/lx53kw
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The Daily World
Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
MCCLEARY — Police are asking the public’s assistance in locating a 10-year-old McCleary girl who did not return home Friday night from a visit with a friend.
Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.
Baum’s mother called the McCleary Police Department at 10:50 p.m., having waited in case her daughter had run into friends or otherwise dawdled, Patrick said.
McCleary Police set up the initial search, but called in the Sheriffs Office at 4 a.m., Patrick said. Thurston County sheriffs deputies are assisting.
Baum is four feet, nine inches tall and weighs about 80 pounds. She has brown hair and brown eyes.
Anyone with any information is urged to contact the Grays Harbor Emergency 911 Center at 360-533-8765 or the McCleary Police Department at 360-495-3107.
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Thank you to all the Astros!
Angel Who Cares
07-10-2009, 10:39 PM
AMW Is Covering Lindsey Baum Saturday July 11, 2009!!!!! :woohoo: :clap: :woohoo:
July 11, 2009
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Join John Walsh on the search for Lindsey Baum.
July 11, 2009 Saturday on FOX, 9/8c.
Catch AMW on Fox, Saturday Nights 9pm Eastern and Pacific, 8pm Central.
Article:
http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?currentDate=2009-07-11
July 11 2009
Artur Martirosyan (Fugitive), Lindsey Baum (Missing Child), Peter Soto (Fugitive), more
LINK TO ARCHIVE OF UPCOMING SHOWS:
http://www.amw.com/show_archive/past_shows.cfm
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Angel Who Cares
07-10-2009, 11:23 PM
Issues w/JVM 7/8/09 Part 1: 5:22
YouTube - Issues w/JVM 7/8/09 Part 1
Issues w/JVM 7/8/09 Part 2: 2:51
YouTube - Issues w/JVM 7/8/09 Part 2
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Nancy Grace 7/8/09 Part 1: 7:35
YouTube - Nancy Grace 7/8/09 Part 1
Nancy Grace 7/8/09 Part 2: 2:51
YouTube - Nancy Grace 7/8/09 Part 2
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Lindsay Baum still missing July 7: 0:21
YouTube - Lindsay Baum still missing July 7
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Prime News 7/08/09 Lindsey Baum: 3:29
YouTube - Prime News 7/08/09 Lindsey Baum
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Prime News 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum: 4:36
YouTube - Prime News 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum
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Issues 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum: 1:04
YouTube - Issues 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum
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Nancy 6/30/09 Lindsey Part 1: 1:25
YouTube - Nancy 6/30/09 Lindsey Part 1
Nancy 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum Part 3: 2:52
YouTube - Nancy 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum Part 3
Nancy 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum Part 4: 8:17
YouTube - Nancy 6/30/09 Lindsey Baum Part 4
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Nancy Grace on Lindaey Baum's Disappearance: 10:42
YouTube - Nancy Grace on Lindaey Baum's Disappearance
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Nancy Grace July 1 P 5 MISSInG Lindsay Baum 10 Years Old !!: 10:21
YouTube - Nancy Grace July 1 P 5 MISSInG Lindsay Baum 10 Years Old !!
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HLN July 2 Police say Unlikely Lindsay Baum Is a Runaway!: 0:37
YouTube - HLN July 2 Police say Unlikely Lindsay Baum Is a Runaway !
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Missing~Lindsey Baum From McCleary Washington: 3:18
YouTube - Missing~Lindsey Baum From McCleary Washington
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The Search For Missing 10 Year Old Lindsey Baum: 1:30
YouTube - The Search For Missing 10 Year Old Lindsey Baum
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Angel Who Cares
07-11-2009, 10:11 AM
Today's news article's will be added in this post!
Investigators poring over pages of clues
Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:56 AM PDT
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A handful of dedicated investigators must sort through hundreds of tips, interviews transcripts and notes as they search for the key to finding 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who helped during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators.
They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.
“We’re just continuing to pore through the hundreds and hundreds of pages of papers,” Scott said.
A new voicemail extension has also been created at the sheriff’s office for accepting tips after hours, he said. Anyone with information can contact the office at (360) 249-3711, if after hours, dial 543.
Scott said the investigators will track specific leads and will still be dedicated the case on a full-time basis.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/11/local_news/doc4a584185110bb207098137.txt
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Some questions we need to explore in trying to understand how this girl disappeared from the road: was the abductor aware Lindsey would be making for home up Maple Street and if informed, how? Or did he/she notice her by chance?
The Last Seen chart says there had been a problem between the child and the person denoted by Saturn earlier. That was when Mercury made the square to Saturn and was put down for something she was saying or doing. This was not just a disapproving older person, it is the same person who rules this event chart and who is responsible for Lindsey vanishing.
We have a timeline for her activities during that day but not the details. If there was an occurence where she was berated or chastised while at the pool or in the video store or anywhere, we do not know about it. We do know that she and her brother squabbled over his bike and we know that Mercury in II is rightfully two children, not one and that bicycles fall under II. We know this ding dong between the kids was halted and he was sent packing. This glimpse of her day does fit the Mercury Saturn square earlier but we cannot seize on it to the exclusion of other possibilities because we do not have similar glimpses into all of the interactions of June 26, not even those in the living room of the Kampen home.
Soulscape
07-12-2009, 08:26 AM
Mark D. is the fiance of MM a.k.a. 'Cassidy' (Lindsey's mother's best friend). There has been considerable discussion/ speculation regarding him on the general Lindsey Baum thread.
We need his birth information. So far we've found the birth year of 1971 and that he is a Pisces. His place of birth would be helpful, but the DOB is critical.
If anyone can find it, please supply ASAP.
Thanks,
Soulscape
who knew?
07-12-2009, 12:39 PM
Is it possible her brother is involved in some way?
Angel Who Cares
07-12-2009, 02:06 PM
Today's new article's I posted!
Town festival 'not the same' with girl missing
Story Published: Jul 11, 2009 at 7:00 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 11, 2009 at 7:01 PM PDT
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"It's just getting harder and harder. I think every day that goes by, everybody just gets a little more upset," said Kim Paull, Lindsey's aunt.
He and other visitors grabbed flyers from volunteers. "I'm gonna post them in Tumwater, Olympia and the Lacey area," he says.
That's exactly what McCleary police, the FBI and the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office want. Law enforcement personnel took advantage of the influx of visitors to familiarize people with Lindsey's plight.
Her mother and this town still hold out hope, as exemplified on a sign at a local store that says simply "Hope & Pray."
"I feel her in my heart. And I know the statistics, but I know she's out there, and I know she's alive. And I want to her to know ... that I'm never going to stop looking for you," says Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum.
VIDEO: Town festival 'not the same' with girl missing
http://www.komonews.com/news/50547357.html?video=YHI&t=a
Police also released new photos of Lindsey that were taken at a "Shop with a Cop" event last winter. They show a girl having a good time, with $100 to spend.
http://media.komonews.com/images/090711_lindsey_baum.jpg
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/50547357.html
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GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case
Published: 07/12/09 12:05 am
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Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.
They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.
Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.
Article:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html
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Best bear stew anywhere
Reminders of missing girl ever present
Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:45 AM PDT
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The lively music and bright sunshine swept away much of the cloud that has hung over the small town recently. Many enjoyed the festivities, but could not forget 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared from just a few blocks away two weeks ago.
Several volunteers passed out fliers to people coming through town and asked for donations for Baum’s family.
Strong looked around at hundreds slurping sno-cones and nibbling elephant ears, The festival had gone smoothly, though fewer children attended the kid’s day events on Friday.
A patriotic horse and buggy in the Bear Festival grand parade carries fliers with information on 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared from McCleary two weeks ago.
http://www.thedailyworld.com/content/articles/2009/07/12/local_news/doc4a5984c38ecb9094362769.jpg
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/12/local_news/doc4a5984c38ecb9094362769.txt
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GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Investigators to work on missing girl case
Published July 12, 2009
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Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.
They are in charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.
Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.
The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to P.O. Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557.
Article:
http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/908311.html
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Soulscape
07-12-2009, 10:15 PM
Is it possible her brother is involved in some way?
Highly doubtful.
SATURN (the perp) symbolizes an older man.
The only possibility that comes to mind is if the perp learned of Lindsey through her brother, which is not out of the question. However, the chart itself gives no indication that a sibling is connected to the disappearance.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Angel Who Cares
07-13-2009, 12:53 AM
SS Mark D. is a member of classmates & has a profile page! If anyone else is already a member can they open his profile to see if they can find out if his birthdate is listed & if any other info would be helpful for our astrologers? TIA
Here is the link to what I was able to open:
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=280668271
I also found this genealogy has been gathered from many sources over many years for Descendants of Charles DUNCAN - 4 Sep 2000. I'm not sure if this is a family tree of his or not!! This link to pop up when I googled his name with his middle initial included which is Mark D. D*****. Can someone else take a look at thsi to see if I missed his name in here listed with his birthdate infor or not! WARNING: It is very difficult to view the way it was set up! I tried to look it over, but will need to look at it again later when my eyes get a break from viewing it. LOL
Link:
http://kykinfolk.com/hancock/gedcoms/duncan.txt
I will keep trying to see if I can find his birthdate & place of birth!
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Angel Who Cares
07-13-2009, 04:20 AM
July 11, 2009: Lindsey Baum Featured On AMW 1:05
YouTube - Lindsey Baum Featured On AMW
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elepher50
07-13-2009, 07:53 AM
Mark D. is the fiance of MM a.k.a. 'Cassidy' (Lindsey's mother's best friend). There has been considerable discussion/ speculation regarding him on the general Lindsey Baum thread.
We need his birth information. So far we've found the birth year of 1971 and that he is a Pisces. His place of birth would be helpful, but the DOB is critical.
If anyone can find it, please supply ASAP.
Thanks,
Soulscape
Hi Soulscape,
Here is Mark D's date of birth: 1971-FEB-22
Reference: http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi?svid=WA000644065
FifthEssence
07-13-2009, 10:37 AM
Hi Soulscape,
Here is Mark D's date of birth: 1971-FEB-22
Reference: http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi?svid=WA000644065
Oh my goodness, thank you. :clap::clap::clap:
I've been to that database several times and somehow overlooked him!
Angel Who Cares
07-13-2009, 01:12 PM
Race to Find Girl Before Dad Goes To Iraq
Lindsey Baum, 11, Missing More than Two Weeks; Dad's National Guard Unit Deploying Soon
McCleary, Wash., July 13, 2009
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A desperate search for a Washington State girl missing for more than two weeks is all-the-more urgent because her father is due to deploy to Iraq soon.
On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as uch time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.
Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."
"My heart tels me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."
VIDEO: Girl Disappears, Dad to Deploy 5:08
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0
Article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml
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MANY CLUES BUT FEW FACTS AS LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH ENTERS THIRD WEEK
July 13, 2009
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In the last two weeks, over 100 searchers have used dogs, horses and helicopters to search the McCleary area for the missing girl who disappeared on the night of June 26th. Around 300 tips have been investigated and tried and true methods have yielded no clues as to what happened two weeks ago as Lindsey walked home from a friends house making this what veterans are calling "the most frustrating case they have faced". Investigators still urge anyone with information to call 866 915 8299.
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 12:24 pm PDT July 13, 2009
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The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.
“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”
Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.
Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html
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Race to find missing girl before dad goes to Iraq
July 13, 2009 - 1:57 PM
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More than 100 searchers have used dogs, horses and helicopters seeking any trace of Lindsey, but investigators says they have little to go on, and they're appealing to the public for help.
On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as uch time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.
Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."
"My heart tels me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."
Lindsey Baum
http://images.onset.freedom.com/wpec/medium/kmqf7u-missinggirl.jpg
Article:
http://www.cbs12.com/news/lindsey-4719614-baum-missing.html
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Town not giving up on missing girl
Story Published: Jul 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM PDT
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MCCLEARY, Wash. -- While the official search for Lindsey Baum has been scaled back, no one in this town is giving up on finding her.
"We continue to get tips, we continually talk to the public," said McLeary Police Chief George Crumb. "I don't believe they've given up hope."
The investigation, which has involved multiple local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, has turned up nothing.
"Still from day one we haven't gotten any real viable good leads," Crumb said. "Leads keep coming in, but actual things we can work on, nothing has been presented to us."
Detectives don't want to see Lindsey's story disappear from the headlines, because each story could kick loose that one crucial tip.
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50679222.html
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Angel Who Cares
07-13-2009, 03:45 PM
elpher50 Thank You So Much for finding the birthdate for Mark D. :blowkiss: Just hitting thank you on your post, just wasn't enough of a thanks for all of your hard work & sleuthing you have been doing! :rose:'s for you!
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj98/tggp/thank_you/021.gif
Do you know his place of birth for are amazing astrolgers? That is also helpful for them for charting too, but the date of birth was need the most! Not asking for much now am I? :biggrin:
I'll see what I can find with the links I saved last night, but was too tired to go through them all. I'm :crossfingers:'s that it maybe in one of the links!
:angel:
FifthEssence
07-13-2009, 07:18 PM
In one of his bios on the several RealEstate links posted in the main thread, he indicated he was a lifetime resident of WA.
He is also listed with graduating from 2 HS., Lincoln HS inTacoma WA, (same guy-look at the photo) http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=458466811&s=77041 and also Timberline HS in Lacey, Wa. according to his myyearbook page. http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTI wNDU5OTY1
Since his current page is active & lists Lacey again, I'm going to guess he was at the one school and made the class pictures for the yearbook but graduated senior yr in Lacey at the other.
( on a personal note, that is exactly what happen to me- I was registered at one HS & had the Senior pics done 1st semester, but moved and graduated from a different HS; made that yearbook as well)
Of course, it could be the other way around for Mr. Duncan.
There is a 26 mi. distance between the 2 towns. I'm leaning more toward Tacoma,WA area as 'likely' his childhood town, possibly birthplace. Hard to say for sure.
Soulscape
07-13-2009, 07:51 PM
Mark D. rose more than a couple red flags for many of us & I was relieved to finally get his birth data. Many thanks to Elepher for tracking it down!
:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:
I examined Mark D.'s natal chart & found there were absolutely no indications whatsoever of attraction to little girls. Moreover, Mark D.'s chart does not present the type of aspect patterns we often see associated with criminal behavior.
I believe we can safely rule him out. At this time there is really no (astrological) reason to keep him on 'the List'...
I wish we had more knowledge concerning the other adults Lindsey knew/ spoke to/ associated with. The child did not disappear into thin air and I don't think a stranger took her.
O/T but important: Just so you know, we are immensely appreciative of each & every one of you who brings us the information we need to cast charts. We could not do this work without you and we are truly grateful for your continued support and assistance.
Thanks & Love,
Soulscape
elepher50
07-13-2009, 09:05 PM
This is a guy who has piqued my interest. He was arrested in Grays Harbor on July 10/09. He was picked up for failing to register as Sex/Kidnap Offender. Traced him back to Virginia for the offense. Eric John Cole (55 years old) is on Family Watch Dog (not a very pretty fellow) in Charlottesville, Virginia for "POSS DEPICT MINOR ENG IN SEX ACT".
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
Just checked and he is still in jail at this time: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/DailyRegister.asp
Virginia to Washington - if my geography is correct, that is clear across the country - for what reason? Family? Still chasing this guy down and have noted that there is a residence in McCleary on Oak Street and another on Third Street which may be of interest. Caution: no firm connection to Oak Street or Third Street, McCleary has been established yet and no connection to the Baum family has been established.
Also wondering if this Eric may be the "Eric" that Mark H. referred to when he spoke with our WS member JVC as noted in several discussions on the general thread.
ETA: JE Cole was convicted in Washington not Virginia: http://search.criminalcheck.com/PDdetails.php?db=VASX&rec=7485&ed=181&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC
momtective
07-13-2009, 09:22 PM
COLE, ERIC J (Age 55)
ABERDEEN, WA
HOQUIAM, WA
Per http://www.veromi.com
Soulscape
07-13-2009, 09:26 PM
This is a guy who has piqued my interest. He was arrested in Grays Harbor on July 10/09. He was picked up for failing to register as Sex/Kidnap Offender. Traced him back to Virginia for the offense. Eric John Cole (55 years old) is on Family Watch Dog (not a very pretty fellow) in Charlottesville, Virginia for "POSS DEPICT MINOR ENG IN SEX ACT".
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
Just checked and he is still in jail at this time: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/DailyRegister.asp
Virginia to Washington - if my geography is correct, that is clear across the country - for what reason? Family? Still chasing this guy down and have noted that there is a residence in McCleary on Oak Street which may be of interest. Caution: no firm connection to Oak Street, McCleary has been established yet and no connection to the Baum family has been established.
Also wondering if this Eric may be the "Eric" that Mark H. referred to when he spoke with our WS member JVC as noted in several discussions on the general thread.
Elepher, was he residing in McCleary prior to his arrest or is that unknown? Do we have any idea of his occupation(s) or other background info on him? The possibility that he is the 'Eric' Mark H. spoke of is intriguing. Also, since SATURN (the significator of the perp in the Last Seen chart) generally symbolizes older men, his age of 55 fits right in.
I'd like to look at his chart if you or another one of our awesome Sleuths can track down his birth data.
Thanks,
Soulscape
FifthEssence
07-13-2009, 10:16 PM
SO: Eric John Cole - arrested for NOT registering address
Warrant out for him in VA
DOB: 2/4/54
sooth_seer
07-13-2009, 10:25 PM
This is a guy who has piqued my interest. He was arrested in Grays Harbor on July 10/09. He was picked up for failing to register as Sex/Kidnap Offender. Traced him back to Virginia for the offense. Eric John Cole (55 years old) is on Family Watch Dog (not a very pretty fellow) in Charlottesville, Virginia for "POSS DEPICT MINOR ENG IN SEX ACT".
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
Just checked and he is still in jail at this time: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/DailyRegister.asp
Virginia to Washington - if my geography is correct, that is clear across the country - for what reason? Family? Still chasing this guy down and have noted that there is a residence in McCleary on Oak Street and another on Third Street which may be of interest. Caution: no firm connection to Oak Street or Third Street, McCleary has been established yet and no connection to the Baum family has been established.
Also wondering if this Eric may be the "Eric" that Mark H. referred to when he spoke with our WS member JVC as noted in several discussions on the general thread.
ETA: JE Cole was convicted in Washington not Virginia: http://search.criminalcheck.com/PDdetails.php?db=VASX&rec=7485&ed=181&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC
I found obituaries for the sister and mother of the person living on Oak St. They name her two children (Steven of Olympia and James of McCleary) as her mother's only grandchildren and her sister's only nephews. If he is related, he is not claimed as her son. Judging by her mother's and sister's ages, she could be the right age for this person to have been her husband.
BTW, what are the rules in regards to linking such things as these obituaries?
FifthEssence
07-13-2009, 10:40 PM
If he/EJC is not listed as a family member in the obit, I wouldn't post the link.
We don't want to exploit innocent people in any way.
Have you confirmed he lived on 'Oak' Street prior to his arrest?
elepher50
07-13-2009, 10:46 PM
Cole is self employed - I don't know what he does but he is a rugged looking fellow. Here are screen shots of what I have so far:
FifthEssence
07-13-2009, 10:52 PM
Does anyone know where he was born?
We figured out he was busted in 2000 in Thurston County (Olympia), WA and we know there is a warrant out in the State of VA effective Dec 2008. ( links in above posts)
elepher50
07-13-2009, 10:55 PM
Does anyone know where he was born?
We figured out he was busted in 2000 in Thurston County (Olympia), WA and we know there is a warrant out in the State of VA effective Dec 2008. ( links in above posts)
On a rock someplace because I can't find him ... ugh.
momtective
07-13-2009, 11:03 PM
Eric Cole sentenced in Thurston Co. Washington
Name search @ http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/clerk/caseno.htm
Results
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&casenumber=99-1-01607-0&searchtype=sName&crt_itl_nu=S34&cc=%20%20%20&fd=1999-10-07&token=7EEE0900088CB2C489AA8D14D9EE082E&dt=4A14CB09AB5E7EA9E1F98FECC92FEEFD
I hope this link works
coastal
07-13-2009, 11:19 PM
Cole is self employed - I don't know what he does but he is a rugged looking fellow. Here are screen shots of what I have so far:
I believe "drunk Mark" said "Eric/k" worked at the jewelry store.
A lapidary or a goldsmith might well be an independent contractor, and could easily find work as a 'bench jeweler' most anywhere. Are there any mineral mines in the immediate area?
(I can't believe I just typed that...but there it is.)
ETA: snip>>>According to the U.S. Bureau of Mines, Washington State is within the top 10 producers of gemstones in the nation. Petrified wood, agates, crystals, and fossils are eagerly sought by many rockhounds of the state. Rockhounding - the collecting of rocks, minerals, and fossils - and jewelry making are important economic activities in the state.<<<snip
http://www.maps-nwd.com/home.cfm?dir_cat=17241
Soulscape
07-13-2009, 11:29 PM
I believe "drunk Mark" said "Eric/k" worked at the jewelry store.
A lapidary or a goldsmith might well be an independent contractor, and could easily find work as a 'bench jeweler' most anywhere. Are there any mineral mines in the immediate area?
(I can't believe I just typed that...but there it is.)
ETA: snip>>>According to the U.S. Bureau of Mines, Washington State is within the top 10 producers of gemstones in the nation. Petrified wood, agates, crystals, and fossils are eagerly sought by many rockhounds of the state. Rockhounding - the collecting of rocks, minerals, and fossils - and jewelry making are important economic activities in the state.<<<snip
http://www.maps-nwd.com/home.cfm?dir_cat=17241
Coastal,
I found JVK's original post. 'Peter' is the jewelry store employee, not Eric(k).
original post by JVK: Right after snapping this photo i was approached by 'Mark the (apparent) local drunk. He was quite intoxicated & slurry.
He asked what i was doing and i told him.
He was a bit 'chatty' and slurred out a few things.
Mark portrayed 'Peter' (iirc) (the owner or worker of the Jewelry shop ^, on Maple) as not having a 'great opinion of Lindsey &/or the Baum family. "~That girl was up to 'things'" (Lindsey)
Mark also shared this not so great opinion. Mark shared that he was aware Lindsey was on the internet. He generally & repeatedly came off disliking Lindsey &/or the family.
Mark added one other thing. Mark said he believes 'Eric' (who lives (according to Marks pointing) in the North-Eastern part of town) 'probably did it' (as in abducting Lindsey) Mark said Eric had conversed with him (@ an unknown time) about 'young girls.
The conversation was strange.. but you couldn't expect much else. At one point he stopped talking almost like he'd just realized he's telling all this to a stranger & briefly thought twice.
Thanks,
Soulscape
coastal
07-14-2009, 02:25 AM
I'm so sorry. I knew better than to gossip, and I went and did it anyway.
:doh:
Ya'll do so much for these lost and missing ones, I'd hate to cause you extra work. I will be more careful. Promise.
scandi
07-14-2009, 03:35 AM
I'm so sorry. I knew better than to gossip, and I went and did it anyway.
:doh:
Ya'll do so much for these lost and missing ones, I'd hate to cause you extra work. I will be more careful. Promise.
We all make mistakes from time to time and sometimes I do more often than that :doh: :blowkiss:
Angel Who Cares
07-14-2009, 04:03 AM
Any new articles that are posted I will add to this post throughout the day!
NEW VIDEO: Small town of McCleary not giving up on missing girl 1:56
"I know she's out there and I know she's alive," Lindsey Baum's mom said Monday. "I just want her to know if she can hear me that I'm never going to stop looking for you."
http://www.komonews.com/news/50679222.html?video=YHI&t=a
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Angel Who Cares
07-14-2009, 04:53 AM
costal With so many names in this case starting with M's &/or E's for so many.....I have also been confused too many times to count. :banghead:
We all have one goal & that is to find Lindsey! Your efforts to help, along with everyone's else's is what counts the most! :blowkiss:
I pray & hope that today she is found & sadly I don't believe it'll be a happy ending. :cry: I'll be so happy if I'm wrong, & she is found safe & sound. From what the charts our amazing astrologers have done for her......I agree that she was gone shortly after or right before her mother's 911 call. :shakehead:
There are so many wooded areas surrounding where she lives that I think she will be found by accident, by someone hiking, hunting, or horseback riding.
IIRC SS or Tuba isn't that what one of the charts showed? If I read & understood one of them done by either SS or Tuba in one of the 1st charts. If you don't have time to answer this out of memory......I'll re-read them later today after I try to get some more sleep. TIA
Having trouble staying asleep tonight....I just had to check the media just in case there might be some good news or that she was found. It breaks my heart that her parents & her family have had go another day not knowing where she is. :(
Off to try to get some sleep again.....saying another prayer that she is found today.
Sending off prayers to housemouse(our brilliant astrologer who started the 1st threads at WS's on forensic astrology...info for those who are new member's) & Mr housemouse(her husband). I really hope that they are OK...it's been so long since we have heard from housemouse. I hope Mr housemouse has been feeling well.
Along with Kaitland (one of our other amazing astrologers for thoses who are new to WS's), a few other astrologers(so sorry I know the names, but at the moment they are in my scrambled up brain of mine!), beckaroozie(a brilliant sleuther), & many more that have been MIA......it's too early for me to think of all of the names at this moment. Just wanted them all to know, that if they have only been lurking here, that they are thought about by many of us.
costal see how easy names can get mixed up or become confusing for many of us here! :wink:
Good morning & Good Night All! :crazy:
:angel:
Angel Who Cares
07-14-2009, 05:17 AM
Tuba & SS as I was just going to go back to bed I found this article...Not sure of course if there is any connection to Lindsey, but I felt it was something that you should see! He is also within the age that you have seen & to do this right in front of her home & try to grab 2 little girls at once is shocking. :furious: I hope LE questions this guy about Lindsey too!
Bystanders beat up attempted abduction suspect
Story Published: Jul 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM PDT
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The incident took place on Saturday afternoon in the 500 block of South L Street. A 5-year-old girl said she was standing outsider her home when a complete stranger grabbed her and her friend.
"(I) scratched him," she said.
The man wanted the pair to have sex with him, the girl said.
"He was trying to make us go to his house and go to bed," she said. "He said it to my sister, too."
But before the man could take the girls away, nearby kids who had seen what had happened began screaming at the man until he finally let the girls go.
The two men, who had been sitting in a parked truck down the street, had witnessed the incident, investigators said. The men grabbed the accused man and beat him, then fled before police arrived. The men's identities are not known.
Police arrested Billy Joe Shank, 45, in an alley behind Tacoma General Hospital. He was bloodied and bruised, they said.
Shank has been booked into jail under suspicion of attempted abduction.
VIDEO: Bystanders beat up attempted abduction suspect
Tacoma police say two men who witnessed an attempted abduction of young girls couldn't just sit and watch, or even wait for the law. "He was trying to make us go to his house and go to bed," a 5-year-old girl later said.
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50689032.html
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Salem
07-14-2009, 12:37 PM
From Angel's post above, I looked up this BJ Shank in the Dru National database and found nothing. Don't know if he is an RSO or not. So far, nothing. I'll keep looking.
Bless those little girls and the guys that beat this POS.
Salem
butterfly1978
07-14-2009, 04:15 PM
Good for the two guys that beat this guy up!!!!
Angel Who Cares
07-14-2009, 09:19 PM
Accused Tacoma Kidnapper Says He Doesn't Remember Incident
Posted: 6:00 pm PDT July 14, 2009
<snipped>
“The next thing I remember, I blacked out and I was at the hospital getting stitches,” said Shank when asked what he remembered of the night.
Police said Shank appeared to be highly intoxicated and was lying on the ground and bleeding from his head when they arrived at the scene.
Shank said he had been out with friends partying that night near downtown Tacoma.
Police said on his way home, Shank attempted to grab a girl saying, “It’s time to go to bed.” Shank wasn’t able to grab her.
“I honestly don’t remember,” said Shank.
Shank said he has no memory of being chased by eyewitnesses or beaten up by two men who left him bleeding on the street.
“I would be the first to jump in there and do the same thing to whoever did this to me,” said Shank when was asked about his injuries.
“This is going to make me stop drinking; I would never hurt a child, ever, never. I mean it, I would never hurt a child,” concluded Shank.
UNCUT VIDEO: Kidnapping Suspect Says He Would Never Hurt A Child
http://www.kirotv.com/video/20055525/index.html
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20056064/detail.html
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Angel Who Cares
07-15-2009, 09:44 PM
Parents Of Missing McCleary Girl Hoping For Public's Help
Posted: 4:06 pm PDT July 15, 2009
Updated: 4:14 pm PDT July 15, 2009
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Nearly three weeks after an 11-year-old girl disappeared in McCleary, the girl's parents continue to ask the public for any information on their daughter's whereabouts.
In an effort to find out what happened to their daughter, Lindsey's family created two new Web sites: http://lindseybaum.com/ and http://findlindseybaum.com/. Both sites have photos of Lindsey and links to detectives working the case.
In an interview with KIRO 7, Lindsey's parents expressed frustration with the state's Amber Alert system. They said no alert was issued because Lindsey's disappearance offered no known suspect or vehicle.
The Baums said they want the strict regulations governing Amber Alerts to change. Investigators in the case agree.
Meanwhile, Lindsey's parents are still hoping to find any clue as to where Lindsey went as her birthday passed last week.
"It was agonizing to sit at the house just waiting for word, hoping she'd come home that day so we could celebrate," said Lindsey's father, Scott Baum.
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20066602/detail.html
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"Every day that goes by is just agony"
Story Published: Jul 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM PDT
<snipped>
"Please, if anybody knows anything, even if you don't think it's important to you, it may be very beneficial to this case in bringing Lindsey home."
Lindsey Baum's father Scott made the emotional plea Wednesday as the family still waits for word of what happened to their daughter.
"I feel her in my heart. I just know she's alive," said her mother Melissa. "I just want to say to whoever has my daughter: 'Please, just let her go.' I don't care who you are, I don't care where you are, I just want my daughter back."
The parents came forward Wednesday eager to make sure their daughter isn't forgotten.
"The search continues even though we don't see it," Scott Baum said. "There's still people out there looking for her. Everybody still has faith and that's all I can ask for is people don't give up on her."
Scott lives in Tennessee and is a member of the National Guard there. He was set to deploy to Iraq soon, but that may change.
"There's talk that they're not going to deploy me," he said.
It means he could stay stateside and stay on the search for his daughter.
"Just please bring my daughter home. Give us the peace of mind. Let her go unharmed."
VIDEO: "Every day that goes by is just agony"
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50897752.html?video=YHI&t=a
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50897752.html
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Parents send messages to missing McCleary girl
06:36 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 15, 2009
<snipped>
They may live on different coasts, but the parents of a girl missing for 19 days reunited Thursday to send messages out to her.
“Whoever has her, please let her go,” said Scott Baum about his daughter, Lindsey.
She’s missed a birthday and the Fourth of July.
"I'd like to tell Lindsey that I'm praying for her. I'm wishing her a safe return to come home to us,” said Scott.
"For my daughter, I want her to know I love her more than anything in the world and I'm not giving up on her,” said Melissa.
Following days of searches and interviews, investigators say the few leads they’ve had have mostly dried up. Lindsey’s family is hoping for help.
"Please help us find our daughter. She’s out there somewhere. Somebody has seen something. Somebody has heard something. Somebody knows something,” said Melissa.
Lindsey’s father is in the Tennessee National Guard and is scheduled to deploy to Iraq, but the military is working to keep him in the country.
VIDEO: Parents Call Out To Missing Girl
http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=380611
Lindseybaum.com
http://www.lindseybaum.com/
Findlindseybaum.com
http://findlindseybaum.com/
Article:
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html
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Obama's Birth Certificate: Soldier Stefan Cook Refuses Deployment Over Its Authenticity
And Another Soldier, Scott Baum, Does Not Question His Deployment Even Though His Daughter, Lindsey Baum, is Missing
July 15, 2009
<snipped>
At the same time, the father of missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum is scheduled to deploy to Iraq in the next couple weeks. Stationed in Tennessee, Scott Baum, a National Guardsman, went home to McCleary, Washington, to aid in the search and investigation into his daughter's disappearance. Lindsey Baum has been missing for nearly three weeks.
Scott Baum, whose story has appeared on HLN's "Nancy Grace," made an impassioned plea for anyone that may have taken Lindsey Baum to return her before his deployment.
Stefan Cook will no doubt lose his case Thursday, but he still may be given conscientious objector status and get to remain in the United States. Scott Baum will most likely be given a special dispensation for his family emergency and not be deployed for some time, joining up with his unit when his daughter is found or after a suitable time has passed.
The two soldiers' cases could not be more diametrically opposed: One soldier using spurious reasoning (Obama's birth certificate) not to be sent to Afghanistan and another not fighting his deployment to Iraq although he has a missing daughter.
The difference between the two men in these cases is striking: one soldier simply does not want to fufill his duty.
Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1947338/obamas_birth_certificate_soldier_stefan.html?cat=9
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Angel Who Cares
07-16-2009, 02:29 PM
“Every day that goes by is just agony”
Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
<snipped>
Lindsey Baum’s mother says she doesn’t know how she still gets up in the morning, except for the steadfast belief that her 11-year-old daughter will come home soon.
“It gets worse and worse every day that goes by,” Melissa Baum said. “I still feel in my heart that I know she’s alive, but every day that goes by is just agony.”
Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard now in McCleary to help the search, said he longs to see his outgoing, talkative little girl and wants her home.
“Whoever has her, I’m sure she’s talking their ear off,” he said. “I miss talking to her on the phone. I miss seeing her.”
Investigators have been following tips and leads, he said, while also searching hundreds of Web sites that might provide a clue on Lindsey’s disappearance.
“The volume of information we have to work with is huge to say the least,” Scott said. “We’re just trying to pore through that to find the piece that’s going to bring Lindsey home.”
Scott Baum briefly discussed his plans to return to Tennessee soon, saying he still faces a possible deployment to Iraq, but may be able to remain in the country while the search continues. Members of his unit and other National Guard members have contacted him to offer support.
Either way, he said he must return to Tennessee to deal with personal responsibilities and affairs. He said he will still be available to investigators to offer any help he can.
“I’ve got stuff going on in Tennessee,” he said. “I can’t just drop everything and search, I wish that I could.”
Lindsey Baum’s parents, Scott and Melissa Baum, speak with reporters outside the McCleary Police Station as the search for their 11-year-old daughter nears the three-week mark. Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott stands to the right.
http://www.thedailyworld.com/content/articles/2009/07/16/local_news/doc4a5f687d0cf7a062190395.jpg
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/16/local_news/doc4a5f687d0cf7a062190395.txt
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BAUM FAMILY PLEADS WITH PUBLIC: "DON'T FORGET LINDSEY"
July 16, 2009
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The parents of a missing McCleary girl are pleading with the public to keep the image of their daughter in their mind. Scott and Melissa Baum spoke to local media on Wednesday morning as the search for 11 year old Lindsey Baum approaches the 3 week mark.
After days of searching and questioning, many things in McCleary have begun to return to normal, but for Lindsey's family life still continues to consist of worrying, waiting and keeping hope alive. Melissa Baum says she feels in her heart that Lindsey is still alive and as time passes she does not want that belief to disappear in the community. Undersheriff Rick Scott says while the manpower has been reduced and the headquarters of the search moved from McCleary, investigators are a long way from giving up hope of a successful conclusion. One of their goals now is to ensure the public feels the same way. Scott says the public still needs to remember Lindsey's image and continue to call in tips. Images of Lindsey continue to be posted at public buildings and businesses as well as on-line at websites like www.lindseybaum.com and www.findlindseybaum.com. Any information can be called into 866 915 8299.
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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BAUM FAMILY QUESTIONS AMBER ALERT SYSTEM
July 16, 2009
<snipped>
The mother of a missing McCleary girl is raising questions about the Amber Alert system. The system is designed to inundate the media and law enforcement with images and information on abducted children. However, when Lindsey Baum went missing on June 26th, no Amber Alert was issued because it didn't meet the criteria and Melissa Baum thinks that needs to change. Amber Alert guidelines require the disappearance to be a confirmed abduction, require the child to be at risk for bodily harm and require sufficient descriptive information on the victim, suspect and abduction.Melissa Baum says those Advertisement guidelines hindered the immediate notification of all law enforcement and media of Lindsey's disappearance. Undersheriff Rick Scott says his office shares the the Baum's frustration and at the least says the case may lead to change, since many Sheriff's and police chiefs are talking about loosening the guidelines. Scott says the Baum case did involve many of the aspects of an Amber Alert, but that more work was needed to notify all necessary parties. Scott says the investigation into the Baum case is continuing but that while there are several leads, their is little evidence to support those leads.
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1415538&spid=
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No Lindsey news
July 16, 2009
<snipped>
McCLEARY — “Unfortunately, there’s nothing new” in the search for 11-year-old Lindsey Baum of McCleary, who vanished from a McCleary street almost three weeks ago, Grays Harbor County Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said Tuesday.
“There’s tips coming in but nothing that’s panned out so far,” Pimentel said, adding that there were still FBI agents and detectives working on the case “on a daily basis.”
Lindsey, who was 10 at the time, is reported to have left a friend’s house in the 600 block of Maple Street about 9:15 p.m. Friday, June 26, heading for her own home six or seven blocks away on East Mommsen Road.
Article:
http://www.thevidette.com/
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Police: Is Tumwater child-luring linked to McCleary girl's case?
Story Published: Jul 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 16, 2009 at 5:45 PM PDT
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Police are investigating whether the attempted abduction of a girl in Tumwater on Wednesday is linked to last month's highly publicized disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum in McCleary.
Officials say three men tried to kidnap the 14-year-old girl in broad daylight on Wednesday as she was walking along a busy street, but the girl was able to escape by running away.
The close call left the girl very shaken, and now detectives are comparing the similarities between her experience and Lindsey Baum's unexplained disappearance June 26 in McCleary, about 13 miles away.
"We investigate because child lurings aren't as common as most crimes, and when you have two communities that are so close together and the circumstances where obviously it occurred in public areas. And the girls are approximately the same age," says Detective Jen Kolb of the Tumwater Police Department.
The girl now says she believes the men wanted to hurt her.
"In a way, yeah. ... Just the way they were talking to me and trying to come to me," she says.
Kolb said she finds the case "very disturbing" and is struck by the parallels to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.
VIDEO: Police: Is Tumwater child-luring linked to McCleary girl's case
http://www.komonews.com/news/50980987.html?video=YHI&t=a
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/50980987.html
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This is a non sequitur to the Tumwater accosting, which is important but the Sun in the disappearance chart has been gnawing at me. In that chart, the Moon has last been over the Sun in Cancer on the cusp of House 7. This "last over" means some promotion or publicity had preceded the Last Seen moment. Promotion or publicity for what? It could have been for a feed, a barbecue, a banquet, a picnic, in Cancer. Or possibly the sale of a house. McCleary is probably way too small for a development or tract, so let's limit it to a house. That is also Cancer. Or some kids' event~ sailboating on a pond would fit. A scheduled activity at the old swimming hole or the local plunge is a possibility. We know Lindsey did go swimming with friends that Friday. Since the Sun identifies the event and its nature (always), we also know that this publicity is key to what happened at 9:15. It might have been a swim meet or some sort of contest but we've heard nothing about that. Some damage could have occurred to real property and then either the owner or the authorities posted it. That would qualify as publicity. A family relations counseling clinic could have opened and advertised (Cancer AND House 7). Somehow any of these possibilities, plus others, paved the way for what happened. Astrologically, another probability is a family row with awful consequences, although the facts about the principals, as we know them, do not support this.
A Websleuth suggested that an animal might have been used to lure Lindsey and I have also thought that, or a young child. The Moon at 6° and in Virgo fits this notion.
coastal
07-19-2009, 04:45 AM
This is a non sequitur to the Tumwater accosting, which is important but the Sun in the disappearance chart has been gnawing at me. In that chart, the Moon has last been over the Sun in Cancer on the cusp of House 7. This "last over" means some promotion or publicity had preceded the Last Seen moment. Promotion or publicity for what? It could have been for a feed, a barbecue, a banquet, a picnic, in Cancer. Or possibly the sale of a house. McCleary is probably way too small for a development or tract, so let's limit it to a house. That is also Cancer. Or some kids' event~ sailboating on a pond would fit. A scheduled activity at the old swimming hole or the local plunge is a possibility. We know Lindsey did go swimming with friends that Friday. Since the Sun identifies the event and its nature (always), we also know that this publicity is key to what happened at 9:15. It might have been a swim meet or some sort of contest but we've heard nothing about that. Some damage could have occurred to real property and then either the owner or the authorities posted it. That would qualify as publicity. A family relations counseling clinic could have opened and advertised (Cancer AND House 7). Somehow any of these possibilities, plus others, paved the way for what happened. Astrologically, another probability is a family row with awful consequences, although the facts about the principals, as we know them, do not support this.
A Websleuth suggested that an animal might have been used to lure Lindsey and I have also thought that, or a young child. The Moon at 6° and in Virgo fits this notion.
Gosh, Tuba, do you think Lindsey's brother might have been such a child?
We aren't privileged to many facts and the ones we have do not support that. Josh is said to have gone home after the incident with the bike and the girls. That incident only got publicity after the disappearance, so cannot be the promotion or publicity that figures in this crime. The individual who was moving house fits the horoscope right down to the ground but how does publicity enter into that? Whoever moves into the house first, gets it? I don't think so! Some of the supposed facts out there may be false and that would give us more room to range for prospective fits.
Since Lindsey was part of a group of swimmers, she might have been singled out by a predator or he may have been willing to take his chances with any one of them. The girls probably left the pool together. When they did, the predator may have been lurking or watching for opportunities. We really need to look into what was being promoted, publicised, advertised that end week of June. Including any ads posted at the filling station. If we were real lucky, it might be a gas war but any come-on that drew this person in. A gas war suits the chart almost too neatly.
Since we have Virgo and Pisces intercepted, we know there is a heap of hidden information we are unaware of. There is important secretive activity taking place somewhere and people involved are deceiving, coloring, hiding or masking the truth of the matter. An issue will shoot in from the cold blue air without notice. There are latent factors in this situation. Even the perpetrator is in the middle of a stagnant predicament. That would be nemesis Saturn, of course.
Angel Who Cares
07-21-2009, 04:45 PM
Father heads home as search continues
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
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Lindsey Baum’s father returned to Tennessee last weekend to attend to personal issues and sort out his possible deployment to Iraq.
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard with orders to Iraq, headed home but hopes to remain in the country to help with the investigation to find his 11-year-old missing daughter.
“He had some personal things to deal with,” Scott said.
The undersheriff said Baum had a “round-trip” ticket, so he could return quickly if anything changed in the case.
Undersheriff Scott said at least eight investigators from the Sheriff’s Office, the McCleary Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation will be working on the case this week.
They will continue sifting through records and interviews for new leads and possibilities, he said.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/21/local_news/doc4a6603e106601642143731.txt
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$6,000 reward for info on missing McCleary girl
Published July 21, 2009
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Investigators hope a $6,000 reward will prompt someone to come forward with information about the disappearance of an 11-year-old McCleary girl last month.
Undersheriff Rick Scott of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office says the money is being offered by Crimestoppers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Article:
http://www.theolympian.com/northwest/story/917128.html
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REWARD OFFERED FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO LINDSEY BAUM
July 21, 2009
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A reward is now being offered for information leading to the return or whereabouts of a missing McCleary girl. Lindsey Baum has been missing for over three weeks and investigators are now offering a $6000 reward for information leading to the 11 year old McCleary girl. Undersheriff Rick Scott says the money is being posted by Crimestoppers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Lindsey went missing while walking home from a friends house on the night of June 26th. Anyone with any information is asked to call 866 915 8299.
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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Angel Who Cares
07-22-2009, 04:33 PM
Investigators hope $6,000 reward will spur new information
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:13 PM PDT
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“We’re trying to do anything we can,” Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said. “Maybe now that there’s money available, that will provide the motivation.”
Scott said thousands of tips streamed in at first, but the flood has fallen to a trickle and many of the recent tips end up being redundant. He hopes the reward will provide the extra push someone might need to come forward with valuable information.
“We thought that perhaps there might be someone who was reluctant to come forward,” he said.
Scott said even the small detail might end up breaking the case and pointing the way to Lindsey. Things that seem insignificant to most people could help investigators piece together the puzzle.
Volunteers have also announced plans for another candlelight vigil at 9 p.m. Friday in Beerbower Park in McCleary to mark the four weeks since Lindsey’s disappearance.
Lindsey’s family continues working online to find new information or resources for the search as well as soliciting donations to help with expenses.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/22/local_news/doc4a675520b1d0c566910993.txt
Everyone has come together on this site for a purpose. To help bring this little girl home, so I am putting a link here to another forensic astrology site. For those of you, especially the people who live in McCleary, please take a read at this link, and maybe more information will also be available for you to follow up with.
http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2009/07/lindsey-baum.html
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke 1789
beckaroozie
07-23-2009, 08:17 AM
This is a non sequitur to the Tumwater accosting, which is important but the Sun in the disappearance chart has been gnawing at me. In that chart, the Moon has last been over the Sun in Cancer on the cusp of House 7. This "last over" means some promotion or publicity had preceded the Last Seen moment. Promotion or publicity for what? It could have been for a feed, a barbecue, a banquet, a picnic, in Cancer. Or possibly the sale of a house. McCleary is probably way too small for a development or tract, so let's limit it to a house. That is also Cancer. Or some kids' event~ sailboating on a pond would fit. A scheduled activity at the old swimming hole or the local plunge is a possibility. We know Lindsey did go swimming with friends that Friday. Since the Sun identifies the event and its nature (always), we also know that this publicity is key to what happened at 9:15. It might have been a swim meet or some sort of contest but we've heard nothing about that. Some damage could have occurred to real property and then either the owner or the authorities posted it. That would qualify as publicity. A family relations counseling clinic could have opened and advertised (Cancer AND House 7). Somehow any of these possibilities, plus others, paved the way for what happened. Astrologically, another probability is a family row with awful consequences, although the facts about the principals, as we know them, do not support this.
A Websleuth suggested that an animal might have been used to lure Lindsey and I have also thought that, or a young child. The Moon at 6° and in Virgo fits this notion.
We aren't privileged to many facts and the ones we have do not support that. Josh is said to have gone home after the incident with the bike and the girls. That incident only got publicity after the disappearance, so cannot be the promotion or publicity that figures in this crime. The individual who was moving house fits the horoscope right down to the ground but how does publicity enter into that? Whoever moves into the house first, gets it? I don't think so! Some of the supposed facts out there may be false and that would give us more room to range for prospective fits.
Since Lindsey was part of a group of swimmers, she might have been singled out by a predator or he may have been willing to take his chances with any one of them. The girls probably left the pool together. When they did, the predator may have been lurking or watching for opportunities. We really need to look into what was being promoted, publicised, advertised that end week of June. Including any ads posted at the filling station. If we were real lucky, it might be a gas war but any come-on that drew this person in. A gas war suits the chart almost too neatly.
Since we have Virgo and Pisces intercepted, we know there is a heap of hidden information we are unaware of. There is important secretive activity taking place somewhere and people involved are deceiving, coloring, hiding or masking the truth of the matter. An issue will shoot in from the cold blue air without notice. There are latent factors in this situation. Even the perpetrator is in the middle of a stagnant predicament. That would be nemesis Saturn, of course.
SNIPPED FROM THE FORENSIC ASTROLOGY BLOGSPOT ON ANOTHER SITE:"Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.
Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m."
The family argument with dire consequences because Josh went home without Lindsey?
"Because Gemini rules the fourth house cusp I am tempted to say that the home they were in was mobile; they were probably in a trailer park. "
"The trine planets in the translation of light pattern, Venus and Mars, are in the second house now, showing me that they may own this home.. or be the landlords."
Perhaps a mobile home rental in the trailer park was being advertised? Maybe the perp is a new tenant there?
Just some random thoughts....what do you guys think?
Violet
07-23-2009, 10:54 AM
Is there anyway a chart can be done to see where Lindsey is today or any thing more as to what happened and to where she is or has been, Thank you very much. You guy amaze me everytime I read here.
FifthEssence
07-23-2009, 04:55 PM
' mrs.' w/ regard to the Blog link you posted:
Always keep in mind, we all come from different disciplines and backgrounds, therefore, our understandings, techniques are different as well as our methods of interpreting the aspects. I (me-Fifth personally) continue to stand by the charts & analysis we have provided within this thread and respectfully will not comment further on the blog link.
Let's say a PRAYER something 'breaks' soon or a piece of info comes forward that helps bring young Lindsey home.
Angel Who Cares
07-23-2009, 07:08 PM
Missing girl's dad back in Tennessee
Published July 23, 2009
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Lindsey Baum’s father returned to Tennessee last weekend to attend to personal issues and sort out his possible deployment to Iraq, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott told the newspaper that Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who has orders to deploy to Iraq, headed home but hopes to remain in the country to help with the effort to find his 11-year-old daughter.
Scott said Baum had a round-trip ticket so he could return quickly if anything changed.
Article:
http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/918533.html
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FifthEssence; The link was not posted to discredit your delineation and synthesis of a chart. Nor to cause controversy, since as you mentioned, there are various methods of delineation and synthesis of a chart which, as in any profession, takes time to hone one’s skills in the area they are passionate about. The link was posted to share as another avenue in the hope that someone, when reading it, along with other information known to date, will spot something to connect the dotted lines to aid in bringing little Lindsey Baum home. Which is what this thread is all about; helping to bring a child home.
Angel Who Cares
07-24-2009, 10:18 PM
VIDEO: Mom desperate to find daughter 3:24
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/23/ng.girl.missing.cnn
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Angel Who Cares
07-24-2009, 10:30 PM
Candlelight Vigil Planned For Missing McCleary Girl
It's been 4-weeks since a McCleary girl disappeared
5:14 PM PDT, July 23, 2009
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A candlelight vigil will be held Friday, July 24th at 9pm at the park across from the McCleary City Hall. The vigil will mark the 4th week that she's been missing.
A $6,000 reward is now being offered in hopes that it'll prompt someone to come forward with information about Lindsey's disappearance. Investigators say the money is being offered by Crime Stoppers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Lindsey's mother Melissa says she's in the process of setting-up a search center in McCleary. She says it'll help organize volunteers to look for her daughter. A Sheriff's Office spokesman says they'll meet with Melissa to talk about her plans for the new center.
Meanwhile, investigators are still following leads and will continue to go door-to-door and search areas, but they still don't know what happened to her.
An Everett group called Operation Lookout has also created a flyer with Lindsey's information. The group hopes to distribute it at the U.S./Canadian border, on Washington State Ferries and in publications around the U.S. including Little Nickel. For more details go to: http://www.operationlookout.org/index1.htm
VIDEO: Candlelight Vigil Planned For Missing McCleary Girl 1:36
http://www.q13fox.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=d3ac0a3e-8ae3-413a-a144-91a597c92428&src=front
Article:
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-071509-missinggirl,0,4993264.story
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Violet, when Mars reaches the Mercury of Lindsey's Last Seen chart it will be the first week in August. Sharp break through and news report coming then.
Angel Who Cares
07-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Vigil for Lindsey Baum
Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:14 AM PDT
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Trenton Stevens, 9, and his sister Ariel, 7, of Olympia join more than 100 people at a candlelight vigil for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum at Beerbower Park in McCleary on Friday night. Baum disappeared on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.
Vigil for Lindsey Baum July 25, 2009
http://www.thedailyworld.com/content/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.jpg
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.txt
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NG & Guest have some facts wrong in this clip! For instance, a guest says she was at her friends house for several hours, before leaving to go home the night she went missing! we all know she was there for a very short time that night!!! :shakehead:
VIDEO: Mom desperate to find daughter 3:24
Added On July 23, 2009
The family of Lindsey Baum, an 11 year old girl missing since June 26th, is desperate for leads into her disappearance.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/23/ng.girl.missing.cnn
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Violet
07-25-2009, 11:27 PM
Thank you Tuba, I really appreciate your response. The work you do is amazing. Again thank you. Violet
SeriouslySearching
07-25-2009, 11:57 PM
Have you done a chart on the brother? If so, could someone point me to it? Thanks~
Because Josh & Lindsey were in the habit of squabbling, the natal chart for Josh would not be revealing. The tension and antagonism would be there in 2007, 2008 and June 26, 2009. It would not be possible to sort out an ugly square, seize on it and say he did something to her the day she disappeared. There was the quarrel about the bike and that would show as trouble between them, reflected in the planets. The same day, the loss or disappearance of his sister would show up in afflictions for him. Looking at a natal chart--if we had one and we don't--would mislead rather than shed light.
What would be revealing is the way Josh appears in the Last Seen chart and that sector of the chart is very active, so you are right to question what part he played in this. As has already been taken up on this thread, he does not fit the description of the Moon, heavily involved in this case. But the Sun? Another picture altogether and the Sun is riding the cusp of the walking child's brother. That House (3) rules other individuals than the brother however, such as people met en route. Neighbors. Tradesmen. But the Sun appears as someone who created the opportunity for Saturn to act and by his absence, Josh did that. We are on the hunt for Saturn.
Angel Who Cares
07-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Search for missing girl continues, more publicity is needed
Published on Tue, Jul 28, 2009
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Lindsey Baum, a 10-year-old girl from McCleary, Wash. went missing on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.
When Elizabeth Smart disappeared from her home in Utah, state, national and even global attention was given to the case for months and months. Her family even appeared on Oprah and other national television shows in hopes of finding her.
Why is Baum’s disappearance any less important? There are bits and pieces seen here and there on nightly newscasts but the constant coverage and continual reminders of her disappearance have vanished right along with her.
Is this one reason Baum’s disappearance hasn’t gotten the same media attention – money?
Searchers have been probing trails, rivers, roads, and every other place they can think of for this child, but to no avail.
Every child deserves to be safe and when one of them goes missing, their disappearance should be a top story on the news each night. Race, religion, age, money, none of this should matter.
Article:
http://www.lakestevensjournal.com/editorial/article.exm/2009-07-28_search_for_missing_girl_continues__more_publici ty_is_needed
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UPDATED: Searchers Brave Heat In Search For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009
Updated: 2:48 pm PDT July 28, 2009
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MCCLEARY, Wash. -- As temperatures soar near 100, teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary Tuesday conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.
The teams, including search dogs, are battling the heat as they check up on additional tips and re-check the area hoping to find the girl who has been missing since June 26.
The skyrocketing temperatures are making the search very difficult for people and animals.
"It's really hard. It's hot. It's hot for us; it's hot for the dogs. The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
Searchers and dogs have been seeking refuge inside a cool building to rest and drink as much water as possible before the teams hit the field again, going door to door interviewing everyone to find some clue that will lead to Lindsey.
Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20204468/detail.html
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Search Teams With Cadaver Dogs Looking In McCleary For Missing 10 Year Old Girl
Q13 FOX News is learning that search teams with cadaver dogs are searching areas around McCleary where a ten year old girl disappeared last month.
July 28, 2009
Updated: 12:30 p.m PT
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Q13 FOX News is learning that search teams with cadaver dogs are searching areas around McCleary where a ten year old girl disappeared last month.
The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. They are searching several areas in McCleary and are not concentrating on just one area.
Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Richard Scott has been trying to find out what happened to the little girl. He told Q13 FOX News, "This is a girl with no means, no money, and no true opportunity to leave. We have nothing specifically that is pointing us in any direction that is going to allow us to rule out any scenario.... this may be a worst case scenario criminal investigation involving a predator or predatory behavior."
http://www.q13fox.com/media/photo/2009-07/48332146.JPG
Article:
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story
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Tuba, you mentioned in one of your posts about something being advertised. i WISH i could remember where, i know it was in one of these threads. about a few days (or week) before lindsey went missing some guy had posts ads about his missing dog. not saying the person was involved, i remember it also said it was a legit ad.
Yes, I did and in this thread. That is a good tip about a missing dog. BTW, there has been footage on HLN of the house where Josh & Lindsey live, and their backyard. In no way does the place resemble a mobile park unit but maybe there are new disguises invented every day. It is an older house, dark reddish brown with ivory or white trim on the windows and fairly high grass in the side and back yards.
kageykaren
07-28-2009, 05:55 PM
Tuba, you mentioned in one of your posts about something being advertised. i WISH i could remember where, i know it was in one of these threads. about a few days (or week) before lindsey went missing some guy had posts ads about his missing dog. not saying the person was involved, i remember it also said it was a legit ad.
I remember Tuba posting that there was an event, like the sell of a home or a feed, barbeque. my mind went directly to ML Lindsey's older friend who's son is a friend of Lindsey and she was Lindsey's confident encouraging Lindsey to call 911 several times. After reading ML post on another site (In Sessions) I'm wondering if she was the catalyst for the search today in Mc Cleary. I'm so ambivilent as to weather she is the good witch of the west or the bad witch? Help, There's no place like home for Lindsey or is there? so:confused: Oops I forgot to say ML sold her house right before the abduction, right?
Angel Who Cares
07-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Fresh eyes join search for missing girl
Story Published: Jul 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM PDT
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It's been more than a month since Lindsey Baum disappeared while walking home from a friend's house, but investigators are not giving up.
On Tuesday, detectives from Pierce County joined the search, hoping to turn up new leads or tips in the case.
They searched homes, trash cans and crawl spaces near where Lindsey was last seen, and cadaver-sniffing dogs were also brought in to comb the area.
Spending time here you get the feeling the the girl's disappearance has changed the town. Instead of trading the usual neighborhood gossip, it seems all anyone talks about is what might have happened to Lindsey.
Kevin Pratt lives in McCleary and says he's always keeping his eyes open and thinking of the missing girl.
"Every time I go out in these wooded areas, any time I'm out anywhere I'm looking for anything for anything out of the ordinary."
NEW VIDEO: Fresh eyes join search for missing girl
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html?video=YHI&t=a
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html
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Police Receive New Tips, Continue Search for Missing Washington Girl
Tuesday, July 28, 2009
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Search and rescue teams are combing areas around where a 10-year-old Washington girl disappeared last month after police received numerous tips, local FOX affiliate Q13 reports.
Lindsay Baum vanished June 26 as she walked from her friend's house to her own home. Her mother called police when she didn't return that evening.
Undersheriff Rick Scott says so far in the investigation they've received about 700 tips.
"This is a girl with no means, no money, and no true opportunity to leave. We have nothing specifically that is pointing us in any direction that is going to allow us to rule out any scenario ... this may be a worst case scenario criminal investigation involving a predator or predatory behavior," Scott told Q13.
Several agencies, including the FBI, Crime Stoppers and the Pierce County Sheriff's Office, are assisting in the search.
Article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535201,00.html?test=latestnews
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Story Published: Oct 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM PDT
Listen live to police and fire incidents throughout Seattle as they happen.
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Reward produces wave of new tips in Baum case
Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
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A recent $6,000 reward for information in the missing girl’s case has produced a new wave of tips for investigators to check out, Scott said. Surrounding law enforcement agencies including the Aberdeen Police Department, and Pierce and Thurston sheriff’s offices sent officers to help perform follow-up searches and interviews.
“We decided we’d try to reach out a bit,” Scott said.
“I don’t want information sitting,” Scott said, explaining extra officers are helping check out tips as soon as possible.
So far, detectives have not found any clues to send the investigation in a “new direction,” Scott said, but they continue to consider all possibilities.
Scott said detectives and extra officers expect to follow up on new tips in town for at least the rest of the week.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/29/local_news/doc4a708a0adde28983338062.txt
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Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 10:34 AM
Police chase leads on missing McCleary girl
Published: 07/30/09 12:00 am
Updated: 07/30/09 1:42 am
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Searchers returned to the streets of McCleary under a brutal sun Tuesday to follow up on new leads in the hunt for 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.
About 25 officers and searchers with dogs braved near-record temperatures to re-canvass areas of town, Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said.
A recent $6,000 reward for information in the missing girl’s case has produced a new wave of tips, Scott said. Surrounding law enforcement agencies including the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office and the Aberdeen Police Department sent officers to help perform follow-up searches and interviews.
Officers and volunteers knocked on doors throughout town Tuesday, asking new questions and trying to reach people missed in previous interviews, Scott said.
Article:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/partners/theolympian/story/827963.html
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Angel Who Cares
07-31-2009, 07:36 PM
Baum reward increased
Friday, July 31, 2009 12:02 PM PDT
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The reward for information leading to 11-year-old Lindsey Baum has been raised to $10,000 as investigators continue checking on new leads.
Lindsey’s mother Melissa Baum said donations have increased the reward previously offered by Crime Stoppers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said a team of investigators continue to catalog and check out new tips from when the reward was first offered. They are conducting follow-up interviews with the help of neighboring law enforcement agencies.
Melissa Baum said people can contribute to the Lindsey Baum Reward Fund at any Sterling Savings bank branch.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/31/local_news/doc4a733060c75f2234916382.txt
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REWARD INCREASED FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO LINDSEY BAUM
July 31, 2009
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The reward has been increased for information leading to the return or whereabouts of a missing McCleary girl. Lindsey Baum has been missing for over five weeks and investigators are now offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the 11 year old McCleary girl. Undersheriff Rick Scott says the money is being posted by Crimestoppers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Lindsey went missing while walking home from a friends house on the night of June 26th. Anyone with any information is asked to call 866 915 8299
Article:
http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=
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Ironic twist: Low crime rate thwarts federal money
Story Published: Jul 31, 2009 at 6:04 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 31, 2009 at 6:31 PM PDT
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The sheriffs of Grays Harbor and Thurston Counties say they'll ask Washington senators Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell, and any House Representatives who will listen to fight for federal COPS money.
The two counties were among 22 Washington counties that applied for federal help to hire deputies. Although many Washington cities got money, the 22 counties got nothing.
Grays Harbor County Sheriff Mike Whelan said he was optimistic he would receive federal stimulus money. Lumber is not exactly the hottest commodity around, the county has budget problems, and they thought for sure their 13.9% unemployment would get them the money.
Whelan worries about the cost of the unexpected -- for instance the cost of the search for Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old girl who disappeared while walking home from a friend's home.
Add that to the prospect of more budget cuts, and the lack of federal money could mean troubles ahead.
"When you lay off deputies the crime rate goes up," Whelan said.
Ironically, a higher crime rate might be what they need to the money. Thurston County Sheriff Dan Kimball showed off a plaque he got from an insurance company congratulating him for a low crime rate. But Thurston County failed to qualify for the money because of a low crime rate.
VIDEO: Ironic twist: Low crime rate thwarts federal money
Facing mounting budget deficits, Thurston County was shut out of federal dollars for police due to a low crime rate, while Grays Harbor County scored a 97 on the stimulus money litmus test -- and still got zilch.
http://www.komonews.com/news/52227642.html?video=YHI&t=a
Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/52227642.html
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REWARD FOR MISSING MCCLEARY GIRL INCREASED
By Dedrick Allan 08/01/2009
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The reward for information on the missing McCleary Girl has increased to $10,000. 11-year-old Lindsey Baum was last seen the night of June 26th, walking home from a friend’s house. The increase is due to donations that were added to the $6,000 reward offered by Crime Stoppers and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Lindsey is described as 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans. Anyone with information should contact the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 866-915-8299.
Article:
http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/News/NewsArticle/tabid/1897/smid/3468/ArticleID/7928/reftab/1632/t/REWARD-FOR-MISSING-MCCLEARY-GIRL-INCREASED/Default.aspx
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KR2tonenow
08-01-2009, 12:42 AM
Violet, when Mars reaches the Mercury of Lindsey's Last Seen chart it will be the first week in August. Sharp break through and news report coming then.
Will a new chart be deemed from the 1st week of August~many thanks!!!:)
For someone familiar with McCleary: what is 20 miles W.S.W. of town, old, lonely and isolated? In rainy weather, this place is MUD.
KR2, there is no new chart because charts are rooted in events and the event was June 26. What is new is the transit of Mars in the heavens to the Mercury of the walking child of June 26. Later on the day of the Full Moon eclipse and then also on the following day, Thursday August 6, Mars will hit that Mercury. This conjunction is made much more powerful, has a much stronger influence, because it hits a critical °, 17°II. A matter everyone of us considers grave comes to a climax.
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 12:13 PM
Tuba, some of the towns west souyhwest of Mc Cleary are Cosmopolis, Porter, Brooklynn, and Hoquiam. Interesting if the perp went that direction as a popular vacation spot in that direction is Ocean Shores and beyond is the ocean. Maybe the perp chose this direction as he may have thought that the I5 corridor would be inundated with flahing Amber Alerts across the freeway, but who's to know what a monster might think. Going to take some time to work on the "mud" part in that direction as the NW has many areas that turn to mud after a rainfall. Normally it is quite a damp state unless you are east of the mountains. Thanks for the update as always!
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 12:41 PM
This is what I found. I'm going to type it straight away so forgive my running of sentences. Eleven mi. strtch long Lk. Cushmer, about 5 mi.west up Wa. Hwy 119, good camping. Hwy. turns a bit Southwest and passes below Lk. Pleasant to follow the Bogachiel also referred to, "MUDDY WATERS RIVER' to State Pk. Bogachiel. Can any form of chart atest to a right or wrong sluething theory or dispell the MUDDY WATERS RIVER theory?
That is a very good find. Let's keep looking at this area, o.k.?
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 01:01 PM
The Boagchiel state park passes through low elevation wet woodlands running by Mc Cleary. This could be a taxing search and rescue if looked into.
JenniferO
08-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Wait, Karen.. Bogachiel State Park is on the coast. Up near Forks. I camped there a few years ago. It's not near Lake Cushman. Unless our state is weird and named two parks the same thing (which honestly wouldn't surprise me. lol). I'm looking at Lake Cushman on google earth and I don't see. Can you point me in the right direction?
Tuba, about 15 miles EAST of McCleary (towards Olympia) is an area called Mud Bay. it's not a town.. it's an area with some house that sit on the bay which during low tide is just a big ole mud pit. When the tide is in its a good fishing area. It's on Highway 8 which is the route from McCleary to I-5.
I'm trying to remember if there is anything WSW of McCleary with "Mud" in it's name.
momtective
08-01-2009, 04:18 PM
For someone familiar with McCleary: what is 20 miles W.S.W. of town, old, lonely and isolated? In rainy weather, this place is MUD.
KR2, there is no new chart because charts are rooted in events and the event was June 26. What is new is the transit of Mars in the heavens to the Mercury of the walking child of June 26. Later on the day of the Full Moon eclipse and then also on the following day, Thursday August 6, Mars will hit that Mercury. This conjunction is made much more powerful, has a much stronger influence, because it hits a critical °, 17°II. A matter everyone of us considers grave comes to a climax.
I found this and thought it might be helpful. Thinkin' mud makes me think of my kids and what they do in mud...http://www.waatva.org/Washington_Trails.html#Capitol_State_Forest_-_April_1st_to_October_31st
If anyone would know the best mud spots I would think it would be these guys.
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 04:19 PM
Wait, Karen.. Bogachiel State Park is on the coast. Up near Forks. I camped there a few years ago. It's not near Lake Cushman. Unless our state is weird and named two parks the same thing (which honestly wouldn't surprise me. lol). I'm looking at Lake Cushman on google earth and I don't see. Can you point me in the right direction?
Tuba, about 15 miles EAST of McCleary (towards Olympia) is an area called Mud Bay. it's not a town.. it's an area with some house that sit on the bay which during low tide is just a big ole mud pit. When the tide is in its a good fishing area. It's on Highway 8 which is the route from McCleary to I-5.
I'm trying to remember if there is anything WSW of McCleary with "Mud" in it's name.If you stay with Tubas cooedinants she states the charts say West soutwest of MC Cleary where the "Muddy River" aka bogachile river that runs by Mc Cleary. Nt talking quite yet about the pk itself being where the body might be. I need to go back and look but I believe Tuba stated 20 mile radious from Mc cearly? Many lakes around that hwy leading towards the area. We haven't talked quite yet about those. I'm just sticking to working off Tuba suggestion. At the entrance of the park , rangers were offering free digital pictures to families camping the weekend Lindsey went missing and it reminded me of Tuba, post discussing the photographica connected to the day of Lindsey's abduction.
JenniferO
08-01-2009, 04:28 PM
Ok, I'm still lost because the Bogachiel River runs from just north of Mt Olympus deep in the Olympic National park to the ocean.
It doesn't run anywhere near McCleary. Are you sure you have the right name? I asked my husband (who is a fishing guide in Grays Harbor) and he's never heard of a river called "Muddy River"
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 04:28 PM
Wait, Karen.. Bogachiel State Park is on the coast. Up near Forks. I camped there a few years ago. It's not near Lake Cushman. Unless our state is weird and named two parks the same thing (which honestly wouldn't surprise me. lol). I'm looking at Lake Cushman on google earth and I don't see. Can you point me in the right direction?
Tuba, about 15 miles EAST of McCleary (towards Olympia) is an area called Mud Bay. it's not a town.. it's an area with some house that sit on the bay which during low tide is just a big ole mud pit. When the tide is in its a good fishing area. It's on Highway 8 which is the route from McCleary to I-5.
I'm trying to remember if there is anything WSW of McCleary with "Mud" in it's name.If you stay with Tubas cooedinants she states the charts say West soutwest of MC Cleary where the "Muddy River" aka bogachile river that runs by Mc Cleary. Nt talking quite yet about the pk itself being where the body might be. I need to go back and look but I believe Tuba stated 20 mile radious from Mc cearly? Many lakes around that hwy leading towards the area. We haven't talked quite yet about those. I'm just sticking to working off Tuba suggestion. At the entrance of the park , rangers were offering free digital pictures to families camping the weekend Lindsey went missing and it reminded me of Tuba, post discussing the photographica connected to the day of Lindsey's abduction.
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 04:31 PM
Ok, I'm still lost because the Bogachiel River runs from just north of Mt Olympus deep in the Olympic National park to the ocean.
It doesn't run anywhere near McCleary. Are you sure you have the right name? I asked my husband (who is a fishing guide in Grays Harbor) and he's never heard of a river called "Muddy River"Google and you will see "Muddy Waters" is a nick name for bogachiel river and it runs "BY' Mc Cleary. Hope this helps! my hubby is an angler too! Loves the steehead!
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 04:57 PM
I guess my googler is broke because I'm not finding the Bogachiel River anywhere near McCleary (or in Grays Harbor County) for that matter.
LOL
I will find the post , even though I didn't save if so you won't be as frustrated. The word operative word is "by' not through. Likeke I'v stated this is only one ave. taken working off Tuba. Don't everybody worry I am a sane adult that would never seriously think of calling the Mounty! What else is there we can search within Tubs direction? It will take a bit of googling and hubby's sitting in the pool waiting for me. Please trust I would never lead anyone astray on purpose as most of my W/S friends know.
momtective
08-01-2009, 05:20 PM
Ok, I'm still lost because the Bogachiel River runs from just north of Mt Olympus deep in the Olympic National park to the ocean.
It doesn't run anywhere near McCleary. Are you sure you have the right name? I asked my husband (who is a fishing guide in Grays Harbor) and he's never heard of a river called "Muddy River"
The Bogachiel River (whose name means “muddy waters”) is a frequently flooding river of the Olympic Peninsula, one that has occasionally washed out US 101.
http://www.trails.com/tcatalog_trail.aspx?trailid=CGW027-044
JenniferO
08-01-2009, 05:32 PM
The Bogachiel River (whose name means “muddy waters”) is a frequently flooding river of the Olympic Peninsula, one that has occasionally washed out US 101.
http://www.trails.com/tcatalog_trail.aspx?trailid=CGW027-044
Thank you!
I also found this page stating the same thing.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/scenicdrives/?sd=waolympicpenn.jsp¶m1=USWA0149¶m2=USWA0188¶m3=USWA0358
The link I posted above is the driving directions around the Olympic Peninsula loop.
I'm no longer confused. :)
momtective
08-01-2009, 06:10 PM
Found this link to be very informative as far a camping and trails in the area.
MILEPOST 186......BOGACHIEL (BOW..GA..SHEEL) TRAILHEAD - Turn EAST onto UNDIE (UNDEE) Road (Forest Service Road 2932) - West side of road goes to Bogachiel State Park. Go to the end of road. Pavement stops and VERY ROUGH dirt road continues. You will believe you are on wrong road..but keep going.. ends at trailhead with no services and rough parking area. Cars can make it but if ground wet EXPECT deep mud holes. Nearest services in Forks - Ranger station in FORKS (co-located with bus station and rest stop on 101).
MILEPOST 219......SOL DUC (SOLE..DUCK) TRAILHEAD - Turn onto Sol Duc Hot Springs Road - only choice. WATCH TRAFFIC. Stay on road until it ends and becomes a parking lot - past ranger station, resort and camping areas. Far end of parking lot is trailhead. Camping at hot springs campground and Fairholm. The Sol Duc Trail has two trailheads, but the shortest approach to Sol Duc Falls is from the end of the Sol Duc River Road, elevation 2,000 feet. The other approach is from the Sol Duc Campground (1,700 feet). The trail joins the Canyon Creek Trail and Sol Duc Falls at .7 miles. The Sol Duc Trail continues climbing to intersect the Appleton Pass trail at five miles (3,100 feet) and eventually reaches the High Divide at 8 1/2 miles, elevation 5,050 feet. Just before the trail approaches the falls, it passes the Canyon Creek shelter well worth a visit. A one-of-a-kind structure with a cupola, it's a good place to leave your pack on a wet day while you hike a bit farther to view the falls. Cross the bridge for better views. Hikers can continue on the Sol Duc Trail or explore the Canyon Creek Trail. It is just over three miles to upper Deer Lake at 3,500 feet and a junction with the Bogachiel River Trail. One end of loop is next to site 62 in Loop B of the Sol Duc Campground. The other end of the loop is a marked trailhead beside the Sol Duc Resort at the west end of the parking lot. By crossing the bridge at the falls and going a short distance further you reach the Lovers Lane trail, which will return you to the resort and campground area. Lovers Lane Loop 6 mi. RT. Easy to moderate. This trail extends a loop that begins just pass Sol Duc Falls. Elevation gain 250 feet/75 meters). If you wish to begin the loop with the Lovers Lane trail, start at the Mink Lake trailhead.
http://www.windsox.us/DRIVE/dprint.html
momtective
08-01-2009, 06:36 PM
Sorry, but I can't find were BOGACHIEL River runs anywhere near McCleary. Maybe I'm missing it but I believe I have scoured the map pretty good.
I see on Hammond's Atlas that Elma itself is in the correct direction but only half as far as we need to go. We don't need to get hung up on names, the important locator is the two co-ordinates. I sure can't enter the fray because I am unfamiliar with this spot but both the Bogachiel R. and McCleary are mentioned on the same scenic drive on-line.
JenniferO
08-01-2009, 07:39 PM
We posted a map over on the main thread of a 20 mile radius from McCleary. We pinpointed 20 miles from McCleary at a WSW direction would be just south of Montesano.
kageykaren
08-01-2009, 07:54 PM
Tuba, i think internet sites were using the term 'By" in referencing maps. Haddi shared he r link to Montessano as West to southwest with me as she doesn't live here. it will be interesting to find some mud to sling around that 19.6 mile area. Gave me lots to work off of this a.m. and it seems to have given another angle. Thanks from the balcony :clap:
Angel Who Cares
08-03-2009, 11:33 AM
“I will find my daughter”
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT
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From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.
“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.
Baum sat on her front step earlier this week, staring eastward toward Maple Street with the faint plinking of wind chimes behind her. She lit a cigarette.
“It’s really frustrating,” she said.
2ND HEADLINE:
DISAPPEARANCE
But as the weeks have stretched, many of the search teams went home, taking their planes, dogs and orange vests. Lindsey’s 11th birthday passed without word of her fate. Lindsey’s father returned to Tennessee. McCleary businesses who changed their reader boards to signs of support have changed them back to the daily specials.
The shadow of the unknown remains, filling the streets like the droning hum of the Simpson mill.
“The streets are quiet,” she said, “almost deserted now compared to what they were a month ago.”
3RD HEADLINE:
INVESTIGATION
Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Detective Polly Davin now spends most of her time about 16 miles away in a small Montesano office, filled with files, in-boxes and phones. A couple computers hum on the desktop.
Davin shares the office with a handful of sheriff’s detectives and FBI agents still dedicated to the case full-time. Other investigators come and go as necessary.
The core investigators — Davin, Keith Peterson and Ed McGowan — have a good balance of temperaments and perspectives. They will often sit over meals and try to sort through different aspects of the case as a group.
“We haven’t given up,” she said.
Despite the setbacks, Scott said the case remains the office’s highest priority. Investigators will do whatever is necessary to bring Lindsey back to her family.
4TH HEADLINE:
WAITING
Melissa Baum said the anxiety hits her at night when the air quiets and she runs out of tasks to keep herself distracted.
“I cry myself to sleep begging and praying for the Lord to lead me to my daughter,” she said. “Every night I lay down with the hope that it will be tonight that they come pounding on my door at 3 a.m. and hand her to me, but every night it gets harder and harder.”
Baum said she and her 12-year-old son, Josh, will sit down at night to watch a movie and feel overwhelmed by Lindsey’s absence.
During the first two weeks, she almost never left home for fear she would miss a phone call. She now tries to stay busy throughout the day by posting fliers, often replacing old black-and-white versions with color posters. She talks to investigators and tries to make sure Josh has things to keep his mind occupied.
“He’s having a difficult time,” Baum said. “He’s angry. He misses his sister a lot. He’s wanting to go out and find whoever has her.”
She struggles with wondering how the investigation is going. She calls daily for updates on the case.
“I’m just at that point where I’m having a really difficult time sitting back and trusting them to do it,” she said. “I have tried really hard from the beginning to just stay out of their way.
“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”
After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.
“She’s an 11-year-old little girl with her whole life ahead of her,” Baum said. “I will find her because I won’t stop. I’ll never stop. I will find my daughter.”
Lindsey Baum’s mother, Melissa, looks down the street from her McCleary home almost five weeks after 11-year-old Lindsey disappeared on the short walk home.
http://www.thedailyworld.com/content/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.jpg
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt
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Angel Who Cares
08-05-2009, 02:53 PM
Missed this article!
Community journalism: We feel the bad news, too
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT
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In the last 30 days, a young girl has gone missing, vanishing without a trace from the small hamlet of McCleary. A hero in uniform from Central Park died on the Fourth of July. And, just when we thought things had calmed a bit, a plane crashed just outside of Elma, killing the pilot inside.
You see, I’m lucky — I get to write to you on this editorial page. I can tell you how I feel, what makes me mad, what makes me sad, and it’s OK. You accept it because, right above my picture, it says “Opinion.” Our staff isn’t that lucky.
Anybody’s kid
I won’t belabor the point about the needlessly judgmental folks who came out to comment on our Web site in the wake of the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.
I have a daughter of about the same age. I often wonder when it’s time to ease off on the joking about her not being allowed to date until she’s well into her 40s, or marry until she’s on Medicare. At some point daddy’s going to have to give her more freedom.
Let me tell you, I don’t know if I can after having this happen to a girl her age right here on Grays Harbor.
Lindsey Baum’s disappearance will continue to influence my decisions, and, I don’t think I’m anywhere near alone on that one.
Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/08/02/opinion/columnists/coming_to_a_point/doc4a74f20d4fcd8088379047.txt
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I'm having no luck using our search this thread engine but I thought there was a Latino gathering and dance mentioned in an early post.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/LindseyonAugustSix089.jpg
Along with all of the planetary correlations here to the disappearance moment, the solstice point or antiscion of the Moon here is on the degree of the apex Part of Misfortune, 7° Scorpio.
Excellent progress. We want to hear about it, read about it, learn the truth.
Notice that the day is ruled by Jupiter and the Moon rules the hour and those are the two planets that are 6' from partile conjunction. The ASC is in the Via Combusta or fiery way of destruction and also just minutes from critical at 26° Libra. This brings a climax to the many weeks of searching as a new course is taken. The fact this ASC is trined and supported by the Moon-Jupiter-Neptune conjunction greatly augments the power of this time in the investigation. The location that beckons, as foretold by Saturn in June, is isolated & lonely, emphasized by the degree of crisis. The decomposition, Pluto, is also at a critical point.
Once more in this chart we have House 6 allied to the open enemy, the perpetrator, House 7. A hundred and fifty years ago, astrologers were well aware that House 6 figures were in a position to damage the native and kept that in mind as they advised clients and analysed horoscopes. House 6 is given to caretakers, labourers, tenants, inferiors, employees, dentists, healers and of course, nurses who are caretakers.
Is there anyway a chart can be done to see where Lindsey is today or any thing more as to what happened and to where she is or has been, Thank you very much. You guy amaze me everytime I read here.
This is a chart you have been eager to see, Violet.
Have there been reports of a search in Melbourne and surround? That is the correct direction and distance based on Lindsey's Last Seen chart.
elepher50
08-12-2009, 05:51 PM
I'm having no luck using our search this thread engine but I thought there was a Latino gathering and dance mentioned in an early post.
No, cannot find a dance in this thread using the search feature. There were some events noted for the weekend Lindsey went missing and their locations. I happened to save them - here they are - the only event that mentioned music was the Ice Cream Social:
Angel Who Cares
08-12-2009, 07:43 PM
Missing McCleary girl's mom heading to NY
01:52 PM PDT on Wednesday, August 12, 2009
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The mother of a girl missing since June is going to New York City to raise awareness about missing children.
Melissa Baum will be part of the “Amber Ready Back to School Safety Weekend” starting Friday in Times Square. Amber Ready is a company that produces DNA and fingerprint kits for children.
Baum’s 10-year-old daughter Lindsey vanished June 26. Lindsey was last seen walking home from a friend’s house. Police have not found her or anyone who knows what happened to her.
“I know she’s alive,” said Melissa Baum, who refuses to give up hope her daughter will be found safe.
Melissa Baum just bought school supplies for Lindsey. She’s supposed to start school as a sixth grader later this summer.
A $10,000 reward is being offered to anyone who helps police locate Lindsey.
Article:
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_081209WAB-lindsey-baum-mom-KS.d38b630d.html
JenniferO
08-12-2009, 11:54 PM
Have there been reports of a search in Melbourne and surround? That is the correct direction and distance based on Lindsey's Last Seen chart.
I don't believe there have been any searches outside of the McCleary area.
I live about 3 miles from the Melbourne area and have not heard about any searches out there.
That's a HUGE area with a lot of trees, logging roads, the Chehalis river and very few homes.
distracted
08-13-2009, 01:04 AM
No, cannot find a dance in this thread using the search feature. There were some events noted for the weekend Lindsey went missing and their locations. I happened to save them - here they are - the only event that mentioned music was the Ice Cream Social:
The discussion about a dance is in thread #4, starting with post #445. It was not determined that a dance had been held that night. There are a couple of venues where a dance could take place, the VFW Hall and a community center.
The other thing I want to mention is that the nursing home is across the street from where Lindsey vanished. Makes me wonder if someone who works there took her. It's possible that person lives in another neighborhood and took her there.
FifthEssence
08-13-2009, 01:31 AM
The discussion about a dance is in thread #4, starting with post #445. It was not determined that a dance had been held that night. There are a couple of venues where a dance could take place, the VFW Hall and a community center.
The other thing I want to mention is that the nursing home is across the street from where Lindsey vanished. Makes me wonder if someone who works there took her. It's possible that person lives in another neighborhood and took her there.
Scroll up some to post #243 by TUBA.
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House 6 is given to caretakers, labourers, tenants, inferiors, employees, dentists, healers and of course, nurses who are caretakers.
thanks for the 'venue' clarity.
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