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jvk
07-01-2009, 06:55 PM
New Map. Difference being the starting point.

If anyone needs clarification let me know.

I believe this is more accurate.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3284/newmap04.png

Note: 8th & 9th do NOT run through to Maple.

Note: The first cross/intersection is 7th.

jvk
07-01-2009, 07:39 PM
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1011/newmap02.png

Is this correct? If so i'm going to replace the one in my above post ^ w/this one.

jvk
07-02-2009, 02:22 AM
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2020.jpg?t=1246515002

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2142.jpg?t=1246515132

Look Familiar?

That city-online picture was in fact pointing straight down Maple @ the Shell station.

It's also nearly right in front of '647

Here is what's on the other side of that rail

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2161.jpg?t=1246515310

.. a ditch/creek w/a high fence (on the other side) Pretty much no getting over it.

If you keep looking to the left..

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2150.jpg?t=1246515391

.. a church..

.. The end of Maple st (last house is 655 iirc) (right next to 647) is basically closed off (enclosed in) toward the west & south.

On the east (behind the house(s)) there's some forest

@ The very end of maple is a water treatment plant

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2131.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2011.jpg

Crosswalk @ 3rd & ~Maple ('the') (pointing toward/at Shell)

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2016.jpg

The bus station (which is very small) The Shell station is about ~30ft behind.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2028.jpg

Here is 1 of 2 (useless) Shell station Cameras. This camera wouldn't pick up anything except for people literally pulling up to or going into Shell.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2021.jpg

This is the 2nd (useless) camera which sits ontop of the pump(s) roof (lack of a better word) What it's aimed at i have no idea but it seriously serves no purpose whatsoever. It might as well be pointing at the sky (it nearly is) - You can see it in the first picture ^ to the right of the stop sign

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2015.jpg

This is looking east up 3rd st. (bus station just to the right, out of picture)

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2035.jpg

The Police Station looks more like a warehouse (well, i guess you can't tell from this pic) i may have seen 2 (LE) cars but most of the time just one.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2010.jpg

Looking @ the bus station from the Shell parking lot

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2098.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2097.jpg?t=1246516813

This is looking back down to the end of Maple. 7th is really the first opportunity to get off Maple. Aside from getting behind the houses (on the left) - Going over the rail/ditch/fence really isn't an option. (on right)

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2108.jpg

'647 (& 655)

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2191.jpg?t=1246517210

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2196.jpg

I hope i'm still in order here but i think this was @ 6th & Maple.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2203.jpg

Looking back down Maple. The majority of Maple is fairly wide.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2220.jpg

It was near 9pm when this was taken (losing light)

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2218.jpg

Same w/this one..



.. I guess 20 images is the most i can put in one post..

jvk
07-02-2009, 03:27 AM
(story time)

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2045.jpg



Right after snapping this photo i was approached by 'Mark the (apparent) local drunk. He was quite intoxicated & slurry.

He asked what i was doing and i told him.

He was a bit 'chatty' and slurred out a few things.

Mark portrayed 'Peter' (iirc) (the owner or worker of the Jewelry shop ^, on Maple) as not having a 'great opinion of Lindsey &/or the Baum family. "~That girl was up to 'things'" (Lindsey)

Mark also didn't have such a great opinion. Mark mentioned being aware Lindsey was on the internet. He generally & repeatedly came off disliking Lindsey &/or the family.

Mark added one other thing. Mark said he believes 'Eric' (who lives (according to Marks pointing) in the North-Eastern part of town) 'probably did it' (as in abducting Lindsey) Mark said Eric had conversed with him (@ an unknown time) about 'young girls.

The conversation was strange.. but you couldn't expect much else. At one point he stopped talking almost like he'd just realized he's telling all this to a stranger & briefly thought twice.

If nothing else i'd suggest an interview with persons from this ^ Jewelry shop.

jvk
07-02-2009, 01:12 PM
I did research on the jewelry store.
http://www.manta.com/company/mm4zfbx
Tim Hartman is the owner. He has been in business there for 18 years. The website says he employees two people. I thought this was a family business and it was him and his wife. But I've never been in there so I don't know anything about his employees.
I can't seem to find any other info on Tim Hartman either.

FYI that address is misleading

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-800/DSCF2044.jpg?t=1246554648

Compared to..

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=133+S+4th+St,+Mccleary,+WA&sll=47.002997,-122.791615&sspn=0.006702,0.013797&ie=UTF8&ll=47.054716,-123.266237&spn=0.003348,0.006899&t=h&z=17

http://www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9eXAuMTMzK1MrNHRoK1N0JTJjK01jY2xlYXJ5JTJjK1dBJ Tdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTU4LjM1NTYzMDM2MjgwOTYlN2U tOTYuNDE2MDE1NjI1JTdlMzMuNzk3NDA4NzY3NTcyNSU3ZS0xN DguMDk1NzAzMTI1

Google & bing put it basically on 10th but it is obviously not.

(^ why i'd said Maple)

Where those maps put it is actually ~where i was standing (on 10th) for that pic ^ (bit of zoom there)

jvk
07-02-2009, 02:29 PM
New Map. Difference being the starting point.

If anyone needs clarification let me know.

I believe this is more accurate.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3284/newmap04.png

Note: 8th & 9th do NOT run through to Maple.

Note: The first cross/intersection is 7th.

jvk
07-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Very slight update to the map

1. Fixed spelling error (ugh, sorry)
2. Moved #1 to be directly in front of 647

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3284/newmap04.png

jvk
07-03-2009, 01:38 PM
corner of 6th and fir.


http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2189.jpg?t=1246642692

Looking down Fir ~toward (the direction of) 3rd

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2188.jpg?t=1246642745

I didn't take very many pictures on fir

Pretty sure that's a church down there

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-640/DSCF2190.jpg?t=1246642749

I will try and do a better job of pics/keeping track this round.

jvk
07-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Here's something you won't find on NG :)
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/DSCF2232-2.jpg

jvk
07-03-2009, 09:53 PM
Over 400 photos from today.

http://tinyurl.com/ny769g New McCleary Pictures (Sets 1-3 on Left)

http://tinyurl.com/ldqlb2 Old McCleary Pictures

High-Res is available.

jvk
07-04-2009, 12:51 AM
Is there a photo of the police department? I guess I missed it. Is it brick?

I don't have direct shots of the PD :/ but i got these..

(it's also the city hall)

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set01/?action=view&current=DSCF2052.jpg

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-800/?action=view&current=DSCF2035.jpg

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-800/?action=view&current=DSCF2034.jpg

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set01/?action=view&current=DSCF2049.jpg

front of it is brick

jvk
07-04-2009, 12:58 AM
Picture 108 of Refine and Repose (set 1), did you get a look at the inside, like at how much fitness equipment they offer and whether it was more women or men, that type of thing? I'm just thinking of the astrology thread.

Hmm that i don't have any additional info on :/

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set01/?action=view&current=DSCF2109.jpg

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set01/?action=view&current=DSCF2100.jpg

jvk
07-04-2009, 01:47 AM
"up the hill on 6th"


http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set01/DSCF2187.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set01/DSCF2185.jpg

AmandaReckonwith
07-06-2009, 08:10 AM
More photos saved here:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/

Tom'sGirl
07-08-2009, 12:08 AM
http://i29.tinypic.com/5noz6p.jpg

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-09-2009, 05:44 PM
Thanks for all these great pictures, jvk. Do you happen to have any info on what is in this picture:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-800/DSCF2077.jpg

Is it any specific place that you know of? Any info would be great for my questioning mind. TIA!

I'm also very interested in this place:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set02/DSCF2387.jpg

Obviously it's some sort of auto center. Anyone know who owns it?

Sorry for my random questions.

jvk
07-09-2009, 06:46 PM
Thanks for all these great pictures, jvk. Do you happen to have any info on what is in this picture:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-800/DSCF2077.jpg

Is it any specific place that you know of? Any info would be great for my questioning mind. TIA!

I'm also very interested in this place:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set02/DSCF2387.jpg

Obviously it's some sort of auto center. Anyone know who owns it?

Sorry for my random questions.

The first photo is @ the VERY end of 10th/W. Simpson Alley before it turns right (& joins Simpson) - I put all the 10th st photos in a series:

JVK's Trips To McCleary, WA - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



In the 2nd photo, that place (auto/repair-ish looking) sits between Maple & 10th st, can't recall what the (nearest) cross was, probly 5th/6th

STEADFAST
07-09-2009, 07:35 PM
Standing on Maple, looking north on Fifth:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/toshroger/Baummccleary2.jpg

SeriouslySearching
07-09-2009, 07:43 PM
J & F Automotive‎ - more info
120 S 5th St, Mccleary, WA‎ - (360) 495-3975‎
Category: Auto Repair

This should be on the right side of the street that Steadfast just posted the photo of looking North from Maple up 5th street.
However, I am not seeing the factory/plant at the end of the street on the map (may be old map) or the other buildings. Are we sure that photo is from Maple looking north on 5th?

http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Auto+service,+McCleary,+WA&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=N39WSu2wBMuJtgfR3enCAg&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=1

JenniferO
07-09-2009, 07:44 PM
Thanks for all these great pictures, jvk. Do you happen to have any info on what is in this picture:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary/McCleary-800/DSCF2077.jpg

Is it any specific place that you know of? Any info would be great for my questioning mind. TIA!

I'm also very interested in this place:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff92/BGL78/McCleary02/McCleary-800/Set02/DSCF2387.jpg

Obviously it's some sort of auto center. Anyone know who owns it?

Sorry for my random questions.

The second one looks to be
J & F Automotive (http://www.ibegin.com/directory/us/washington/mccleary/j--f-automotive-120-s-5th-st/)

JenniferO
07-09-2009, 07:50 PM
J & F Automotive‎ - more info
120 S 5th St, Mccleary, WA‎ - (360) 495-3975‎
Category: Auto Repair

This should be on the right side of the street that Steadfast just posted the photo of looking North from Maple up 5th street.
However, I am not seeing the factory/plant at the end of the street on the map (may be old map) or the other buildings. Are we sure that photo is from Maple looking north on 5th?

http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Auto+service,+McCleary,+WA&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=N39WSu2wBMuJtgfR3enCAg&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=1

I'm seeing the plant (it's the Simpson door plant) and it's North of 5th across Simpson in the map you linked to

STEADFAST
07-09-2009, 08:40 PM
I'm seeing the plant (it's the Simpson door plant) and it's North of 5th across Simpson in the map you linked to
It's there, SS. Zoom in.

Here's 5th looking south from Simpson toards Maple (Maple is where the evergreen tree on the right is:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/toshroger/01162008McCleary5thStreetlookingsou.jpg

SeriouslySearching
07-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Thanks, Steadfast. I meant I didn't see the plant on the google map across Simpson. Is this a new addition or am I just not able to get in close enough?

JenniferO
07-11-2009, 11:18 PM
Thanks, Steadfast. I meant I didn't see the plant on the google map across Simpson. Is this a new addition or am I just not able to get in close enough?

It's not a new addition. I guess you just weren't sure what you were looking at because it's kind of hard to miss. LOL

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9771/millt.jpg

boondock
07-22-2009, 11:27 PM
town photos from McCleary Bear Festival facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/McCleary-Bear-Festival/77114972357#/pages/McCleary-Bear-Festival/77114972357

town photos from McCleary Community Church facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/McCleary-WA/McCleary-Community-Church/85284706284?v=feed&story_fbid=88388724134#/pages/McCleary-WA/McCleary-Community-Church/85284706284?v=photos&viewas=1031182959

Normcar21
07-23-2009, 12:11 AM
Looks like ML was at the egg hunt. Sepia photo taken from her myspace

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4403&stc=1&d=1248322231

Normcar21
07-23-2009, 12:24 AM
This must be a relative of ML, a son perhaps, does anyone know if LB and ML's son knew one another well? Did ML's son know JB at all?

Pool shot from LB's myspace and the other from the egg hunt

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4404&stc=1&d=1248323053

I was hoping to see Lindsey in one of these photos

One comment about this. I don't know, it simply seems to me that the idea that ML takes her kid (my guess) to a rain soaked egg hunt at Easter tells me something about her nature. She was the one who reported JB's inclination to scare LB, and her home was the location that LB apparently chose to rush off and report those 911 calls about JB's actions (strong implication of trust on LB's part towards ML) -- this was when she lived down the block from LB, about 300 yards at most, prior to the sale of the home. To me, these photos lend some slight bit of credence and veracity to her comments, even though they cannot be verified. To me, her credibility as a witness simply grows with time.

boondock
07-23-2009, 01:49 AM
One comment about this. I don't know, it simply seems to me that the idea that ML takes her kid (my guess) to a rain soaked egg hunt at Easter tells me something about her nature. She was the one who reported JB's inclination to scare LB, and her home was the location that LB apparently chose to rush off and report those 911 calls about JB's actions (strong implication of trust on LB's part towards ML) -- this was when she lived down the block from LB, about 300 yards at most, prior to the sale of the home. To me, these photos lend some slight bit of credence and veracity to her comments, even though they cannot be verified. To me, her credibility as a witness simply grows with time.

IMO - those photos may resemble each other but I don't think they are the same people. Even if they were, I don't think it makes a difference in ML's credibility. Are you saying you think she's more credible because she played the part of a good mom and took her son to an Easter egg hunt in the rain? Again, my opinion, but you cannot judge a book by it's cover. I saw the MySpace page for the creepo they just picked up for taking that 7yr old girl into the woods and if I were to judge him from appearances I would have thought he was sweet and innocent as pie. :eek:

Normcar21
07-23-2009, 01:54 AM
Thanks for your input, boondock, and thanks for telling it as you see it.

McCleary
07-23-2009, 02:00 AM
Looks like ML was at the egg hunt. Sepia photo taken from her myspace

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4403&stc=1&d=1248322231

Where did you get that photo of the easter egg hunt...I may just be too tired to have noticed it as I was going through pics...

Normcar21
07-23-2009, 03:59 AM
Where did you get that photo of the easter egg hunt...I may just be too tired to have noticed it as I was going through pics...

It's in the post offerings from boondock.

Salem
08-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Some great aerial shots from our new poster Mike! Welcome Mike and thank you!

Salem

I have been following Lindsey's story from the beginning and have read some of the posts in this forum(there's a lot). I had a theory about what happened but it wasn't really based on anything solid. I live about an hours drive away and have been wanting to help somehow. Last Tuesday I flew over McCleary and shot some photos I hope you will find useful. There are some of McCleary and of the road between McCleary and Porter. My original theory posited that since it was a Friday night someone was on their way to the Indian casino and their route would take them through McCleary.

Anyway the picture are posted at http://www.vp-photo.com/mccleary.htm (http://www.vp-photo.com/mccleary.htm) http://www.vp-photo.com/mccleary.htm (http://www.vp-photo.com/mccleary.htm) If you click on the thumbnail it will open a larger version in another window.

Mike

TamgMit
08-07-2009, 10:22 PM
These pictures where awesome MikeB. I blew up some of them and what clarity there is of the area. Found on that kind of caught my attention. One of Sand Lake

http://www.vp-photo.com/photos/mccleary/090804_0116.jpg

When you blow this picture up go to center of page and down by water where there seems to be a trail that goes between two green areas that goes to the shore. There seems to be a line that goes through the green stuff in the water. I am not sure if that is a person or tree stump but it is an odd coloration for a tree.

JenniferO
08-07-2009, 11:22 PM
These pictures where awesome MikeB. I blew up some of them and what clarity there is of the area. Found on that kind of caught my attention. One of Sand Lake

http://www.vp-photo.com/photos/mccleary/090804_0116.jpg

When you blow this picture up go to center of page and down by water where there seems to be a trail that goes between two green areas that goes to the shore. There seems to be a line that goes through the green stuff in the water. I am not sure if that is a person or tree stump but it is an odd coloration for a tree.

Looks like blown down dead trees to me. We have lots of those around here after the storm a few years ago.

coastal
08-08-2009, 03:28 AM
They really are amazing, aren't they?! I can hardly believe my eyes!
Thank you again, Mikeb!
A :star: for you!

mikeb
08-08-2009, 02:26 PM
.... There seems to be a line that goes through the green stuff in the water. I am not sure if that is a person or tree stump but it is an odd coloration for a tree.

Good work TM. I have not studied these photos. I'm leaving that to you guys. Start a list of places you want to look at more closely and when I get back from California in a week I'll fly it again and zero in on those areas. Can I get a volunteer to make the list?

Thanks, Mike

jvk
08-08-2009, 03:07 PM
This thread lagged into the 2nd page:

JVK's Trips To McCleary, WA - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

coastal
08-08-2009, 09:22 PM
Good work TM. I have not studied these photos. I'm leaving that to you guys. Start a list of places you want to look at more closely and when I get back from California in a week I'll fly it again and zero in on those areas. Can I get a volunteer to make the list?

Thanks, Mike
What a great idea, Mikeb, and a very generous one as well. You, sir, are a good egg. Smart JenniferO has already made a thread for the list, which I hope everyone will contribute to.

(Hey, maybe jvk'll be your copilot! You two think alike; you're both fabulous photographers, and neither one of you hesitates to do what needs doing for Lindsey's sake...)

JVK, we need to make your thread a sticky. (I don't know how to do it, but give me a minute and I'll figure it out, or I'll find somebody who does!)

NativeBearSpirit
08-09-2009, 04:44 PM
Hi,

My name is Diana and I am new to this site. I've been following Lindsey's case ever since someone close to the family contacted me for help. I have a blog "Psychics Unite to Help Find Missing Children" and I have just today posted my impressions and feelings about the case along with comments and impressions of others.

Since it seems like so many of you are close to McCleary, I was hoping you would take a look at the blog and let me know if any of the info "hits" with what you know or what you've seen. I guess I'm hoping that somehow all of this will help to bring Lindsey home.
You can check out the blog at http://psychicsunitetofindmissingchildren.blogspot.com/

Thanks!!!!

JenniferO
08-11-2009, 06:43 PM
http://s790.photobucket.com/albums/yy186/lindseyalbum/Preachers%20Slough/

Salem
08-11-2009, 09:22 PM
Nice shots JenO - man, I would really like to go hiking there. It is beautiful.

Salem