Joe Jackson Wants Michael's Kids to Tour as 'Jackson 3'

[christine2448]

Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, is lining up the King of Pop's children for a world tour as The Jackson Three — despite family members accusing him of trying to "exploit them like Jacko."

Former Jackson Five manager Joe is said to have approached Prince Michael, 12, Paris (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0 .135406:b26366284:z0#), 11, and seven-year old Prince Michael II — known as Blanket — to hit the stage next year.

But one of Jacko's familymembers is said to be "livid" at the scheme, which will add fuel to the bitter custody battle for the youngsters.
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Jackson’s biographer Ian Halperin said yesterday: "Joe wants the children to go on a world [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0 .135406:b26366284:z0#"]tour (about:/photoessay/0,4644,7608,00.html) in 2010. He has also already offered recording contracts to two of Michael’s kids. Now he is talking about getting them the world’s best backing band and taking them on tour as The Jackson Three."

Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0 .135406:b26366284:z0)

[lizzybeth]

This is horrible and I hope it isn't true.

[SuziQ]

What an opportunist.

[VespaElf]

I dont care what you think about MJ-fan or not-I think we can all agree these kids are better off away from the majority of the Jackson family(I think Janet would be ok but everybody else is too old-Katherine-or too crazy-everrybody else!)............Debbie Rowe is starting to look like 'mother of the Year'!!!!!!!!

[cinsbythesea]

Joe Jackson is beyond belief. The guy does not see children as children but rather as dollar signs. I hope the family members stand strong against him and do not allow him to ruin yet another generation of Jackson children. Michael must be already rolling in his grave. What a horrible, greedy man Joe Jackson is. YUCK.

[azwriter]

Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, is lining up the King of Pop's children for a world tour as The Jackson Three — despite family members accusing him of trying to "exploit them like Jacko."

Former Jackson Five manager Joe is said to have approached Prince Michael, 12, Paris (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0 .135406:b26366284:z0#), 11, and seven-year old Prince Michael II — known as Blanket — to hit the stage next year.

But one of Jacko's familymembers is said to be "livid" at the scheme, which will add fuel to the bitter custody battle for the youngsters.
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Jackson’s biographer Ian Halperin said yesterday: "Joe wants the children to go on a world [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0 .135406:b26366284:z0#"]tour (about:/photoessay/0,4644,7608,00.html) in 2010. He has also already offered recording contracts to two of Michael’s kids. Now he is talking about getting them the world’s best backing band and taking them on tour as The Jackson Three."

Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0 .135406:b26366284:z0)

I am not surprised. He's looney.

[feddup]

I thought he said he was going to get them in school, etc?
EW he is disgusting, surely since Michael did NOT leave the kids to him, no one will pay attention? Katherine: PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN. or Debbie Rowe, get the kids!
Im sure Janet and LaToya would not like this. :mad:
You are right, he doesnt see children as children just $$$ signs.

[Cubby]

Is Joe Jackson for real? I hope he is as far away from these children as possible. (abusive SOB!) .

As for Debbie Rowe, I'm on the fence on her. A small part of me wonders if she wasn't deliberately kept away and not allowed to coparent with Michael. He certainly had enough money to keep her away, and she wouldn't have had a chance in he!! to put up any kind of fight for visitation if MJ wasn't having it.

[MCDRAW]

I'm very surprised that Michael didn't make absolutely sure that Joe couldn't get near his children. Katherine didn't stand up to him when it came to Michael what made him think she would for his children. Someone should have been given custody that wasn't close to the Jackson family. Debbie Rowe only care about money. I guess he couldn't find anyone that he could trust.

[yanknrebel]

Is Joe Jackson for real? I hope he is as far away from these children as possible. (abusive SOB!) .

As for Debbie Rowe, I'm on the fence on her. A small part of me wonders if she wasn't deliberately kept away and not allowed to coparent with Michael. He certainly had enough money to keep her away, and she wouldn't have had a chance in he!! to put up any kind of fight for visitation if MJ wasn't having it.

I do not for one minute think Debbie Rowe should have these kids nor do I think she has any interest in getting them. She has never wanted them. SHe saw having these kids as a money making opportunity. Nothing more. IF she tries to fight for the kid it will be for the sole purpose of getting her hands on the money MJ left them.

If this woman ever loved or wanted these children, she would not hesitate to try and see them nor would she have been on the fence about trying to get them. She has said many times the only reason she had these children were for MJ. More like the only reason she had these children was because she saw a chance to have her name in the media AND make lots and lots of money. All she had to do was carry babies for 9 months. Pretty lucrative 18 months worth of work.

Although I do think Katherine is the best choice for them, I am concerned about her advanced age as well as her letting JOE anywhwere near these children. I think Janet should take custody of them. Or even DIana Ross. I think LaToya is as nutting as Joe.

[wonders]

If this is true and if this situation reaches a courtroom I don't think it will look good for the Jackson family at all.

[Vegas Bride]

I thought he said he was going to get them in school, etc?
EW he is disgusting, surely since Michael did NOT leave the kids to him, no one will pay attention? Katherine: PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN. or Debbie Rowe, get the kids!
Im sure Janet and LaToya would not like this. :mad:
You are right, he doesnt see children as children just $$$ signs.

By school, maybe he meant dancing and singing school!

i hope he is never able to have any contact with the children. Honestly, I wish someone very fair and balanced could be appointed as a guardian, someone young enough that can be there for them during all their growing up years and still be around for them in their twenties, Imo they will have a lifetime of battles ahead of them, the papparazi, numerous tell all books that will be coming out, Mj's fans and there are bound to be some crazies who will try to get close to the children, countless people will be trying to exploit them, they need protection!
I would rather see DR with them than Joe, I could see her giving them a more normal chance, it seems she has a big interest in horses, let them grow up on a horse ranch with tons of security. I also wonder what kind of family she may have behind her, is there another set of grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins?

VB

[angeleleven]

Joe Jackson certainly doesn't have Michael's wishes at heart. He is only thinking of himself. Michael would be so upset over this. Is anyone in the family thinking of him and those children. I hope the kids get the best care and love possible and that means to keep them away from Joe Jackson.

[lizzybeth]

If these children aren't MJ's biological children, does Joe think they have any musical talent? I guess it wouldn't matter because some people would just pay to see them because they're MJ's kids. Sad.

I sincerely hope this isn't true.

[OrdinaryLife]

It doesn't matter if the children are biological or not to their father. Joe Jackson is still trying to get rich off of his own son. Again. Say what you want about MJ, but there is a base reason for why he was who he was. It started with Joe Jackson.

As far as Debbie Rowe is concerned, the woman has done nothing to deserve the comments she has received. Of all people, she has remained as quiet as she could. I do not see her as a bad person, but one who has been caught up in the MJ children frenzy.

imho

[Paintr]

I have been reading the MJ threads since he died and now this one. I have read posts that think that Mr M Jackson was a child molester and posts who think he wasn't.

However it seems to be an accepted fact that Joe Jackson was an abusive father. I haven't seen much debate over this. I am confused. How did this become an accepted fact? Was he accused, tried and convicted? Did his children accuse him? His wife? Was he arrested?

I haven't followed the Jackson family life. Could someone who has explain this to me please?

[Kat]

:no: :cry:

[teonspaleprincess]

This is just disgusting. Joe Jackson is a repulsive human being and he should be no where near those kids! Watching him laugh and have a good time at the BET awards right after MJ died turned my stomach, and the comments he made afterward were heartless.

[Paintr]

:no: :cry:

If that was for me, I really would have preferred an answer. MJ is not big news where I come from, and I have heard very little about his father until MJ died. Thanks anyway. :)

[Kat]

If that was for me, I really would have preferred an answer. MJ is not big news where I come from, and I have heard very little about his father until MJ died. Thanks anyway. :)

Nope that was for these little children. I hope he doesn't do that to them. Sorry if you thought it was a response to your post :) I was just responding to the OP.

[Paintr]

Nope that was for these little children. I hope he doesn't do that to them. Sorry if you thought it was a response to your post :) I was just responding to the OP.

Okey Dokey! :)

[sharpar]

MJ and most of the other kids have spoken out many times of Joe's temper and his
harsh discipline . LaToya also sited emotional and verbal abuse. MJ claimed he was beat with a belt and a leather razor strop and ridiculed about his appearance.
He worked them late at night until the early morning hours knowing they needed
to be in school the next day. Only kid that hasnt spoken out and said they were abused is Jermaine.
We know now that abusers will pick one or two and focus the sadistic treatment
unto them while idolizing and pandering to others . Each child's treatment and r/s
with the abuser would be different .
IMO uneducated and greedy is a guaranteed receipe for disaster
I am only a few yrs older than MJ and we all got our asses whipped with belts
or whatever was handy - those spankings didnt become abuse until much later
when time out became the accepted form of discipline

[Paintr]

MJ and most of the other kids have spoken out many times of Joe's temper and his
harsh discipline . LaToya also sited emotional and verbal abuse. MJ claimed he was beat with a belt and a leather razor strop and ridiculed about his appearance.
He worked them late at night until the early morning hours knowing they needed
to be in school the next day. Only kid that hasnt spoken out and said they were abused is Jermaine.
We know now that abusers will pick one or two and focus the sadistic treatment
unto them while idolizing and pandering to others . Each child's treatment and r/s
with the abuser would be different .
IMO uneducated and greedy is a guaranteed receipe for disaster
I am only a few yrs older than MJ and we all got our asses whipped with belts
or whatever was handy - those spankings didnt become abuse until much later
when time out became the accepted form of discipline

Thank you kindly for the answer. Was any action taken against Mr J Jackson or was it just statements by the children? Did the children speak out as adults?

[capps]

I'm not usually one to say I told you so,but.....

This is my post from June 29th:
"If Joe has access to his grandkids,he'll probably forced them to become "The Jackson 3",and have them recording on his new record label. :eek: "

Oh no...I hope I wasn't the one to give Joe this idea!! :eek:
LOL.

[Columbo]

Is Joe Jackson for real? I hope he is as far away from these children as possible. (abusive SOB!) .

As for Debbie Rowe, I'm on the fence on her. A small part of me wonders if she wasn't deliberately kept away and not allowed to coparent with Michael. He certainly had enough money to keep her away, and she wouldn't have had a chance in he!! to put up any kind of fight for visitation if MJ wasn't having it.

I really agree with what you say about Debbie Rowe. We really don't know what is true about her. I think she could very well have been bought off and forced to be quiet. What we read in the Star and Enquirer-type rags is half invented and false information. Sometimes they scoop some real,valid information (for example, possibly on the O.J. cases) but I believe that most of the time it's made-up, sensationalist stuff.

Joe Jackson is a creep wanting to use those kids to make money. It's just unconscionable. He is greed personified.

[VespaElf]

Thank you kindly for the answer. Was any action taken against Mr J Jackson or was it just statements by the children? Did the children speak out as adults?
Im curious as to your question..........what "action" do you think couldve/wouldve been taken?
The Jackson 5 & Michael's story has been very well documented.I remember being under 10 when "Thriller"hit & even then Michael's abusive childhood was widely printed & discussed by even Michael himself.
I think at this point its "public record".
FWIC everyone but Rebe,Jermaine & Janet spoke out as adults as to Joe's abuse.I believe Katherine has even made veiled comments about Joe.La Toya even claimed sexual abuse.Its been established Joe has been unfaithful the majority of marriage to Katherine & they have lived separate lives for years.Joe reportedly had sex with Jackson 5 groupies with his sons present(who in turn had sex with groupies in front of Michael at as young as 5 years of age).All they "turn it on"when needed (MJ's trial & death)they are a very dysfunctional ,troubled & fractured family who is not really close.

[sharpar]

Paintr - No legal actions were taken - all the kids except Jermaine spoke out as young adults
Michael speaks very candidly about it in a interview with Oprah
The movie The Jacksons an American dream I think it is called shows Joe as
a hair trigger tempered belt waving lunatic

[hoppyfrog]

I read somewhere--and I can't recall where--that MJ said at one point that he would want his sister Rebbie Jackson to take care of his kids b/c he admired how she had raised her own kids.

Rebbie Jackson at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebbie_Jackson


Hoppy

[Paintr]

[QUOTE=VespaElf;3953774]Im curious as to your question..........what "action" do you think couldve/wouldve been taken? [QUOTE]

respectfully snipped

I wondered if Mr J Jackson had been formally charged with child abuse. If the authorities had ever investigated and found proof of abuse. Did the mother level accusations or leave her husband? Did others outside the family complain and level accusations? Just asking..

[Paintr]

Paintr - No legal actions were taken - all the kids except Jermaine spoke out as young adults
Michael speaks very candidly about it in a interview with Oprah
The movie The Jacksons an American dream I think it is called shows Joe as
a hair trigger tempered belt waving lunatic

Thank you kindly again. I just wondered why, since the kids were high profile and worth so much in the earnings from their performances, that no one stepped in to protect the kids, even if just for their potential earnings. If abuse could have been proven than the father could have been removed from the children's lives. Proof could have ensured that the abuse stopped and prevented an abusive father from profiting. Didn't anyone care?

[OrdinaryLife]

[quote=VespaElf;3953774]Im curious as to your question..........what "action" do you think couldve/wouldve been taken? [quote]

respectfully snipped

I wondered if Mr J Jackson had been formally charged with child abuse. If the authorities had ever investigated and found proof of abuse. Did the mother level accusations or leave her husband? Did others outside the family complain and level accusations? Just asking..

As Sharpar has mentioned, abuse back in the '70's was not defined as it is today. And, to charge Joe Jackson today would never work. Even 20 years ago it never would have stuck legally. MJ was just a couple weeks younger than I am. His siblings older save for Janet. It was the times of don't talk. Never let anyone know. Not like today where it's more spoken about. Even today, 2009, we still read about abuse never pursued with LE.

I personally can tell you stories regarding my own family history of abuse. Never reported. Never documented. Never talked about except between ourselves. And, if the topic/facts are brought up, even today, they are doubted.

imvho

[southcitymom]

Wow. It's hard to render me speechless but the topic of this thread pretty much has.

[DollyPardonMe]

I have been reading the MJ threads since he died and now this one. I have read posts that think that Mr M Jackson was a child molester and posts who think he wasn't.

However it seems to be an accepted fact that Joe Jackson was an abusive father. I haven't seen much debate over this. I am confused. How did this become an accepted fact? Was he accused, tried and convicted? Did his children accuse him? His wife? Was he arrested?

I haven't followed the Jackson family life. Could someone who has explain this to me please?

I'm worried about both Joe and Katherine...In a Video Clip of a CNN Video transcript Joe said:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON'S FATHER: They're saying I was too rough with the family. Everybody spanks. I never beat Michael in my life. I did spank the family once in a while. Katherine spanked them more than I did, but they blame it all on me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

I realize Joe can't be trusted OR believed BUT I also wonder why Katherine stood by and let her children be abused, spanked or whatever by Joe UNLESS she was allowing the abuse and contributing to the abuse herself! ( MAY I add I am in NO Way making what Joe did anything less because he also blames his wife)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/ldt.01.html

[OrdinaryLife]

I'm worried about both Joe and Katherine...In a Video Clip of a CNN Video transcript Joe said:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON'S FATHER: They're saying I was too rough with the family. Everybody spanks. I never beat Michael in my life. I did spank the family once in a while. Katherine spanked them more than I did, but they blame it all on me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

I realize Joe can't be trusted OR believed BUT I also wonder why Katherine stood by and let her children be abused, spanked or whatever by Joe UNLESS she was allowing the abuse and contributing to the abuse herself! ( MAY I add I am in NO Way making what Joe did anything less because he also blames his wife)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/ldt.01.html

In my very, very humble opinion, you have to think/remember about who was *the* man of the house. I will tell you, very honestly, that my mother stood by and watched what my father did. She was abused herself and if my father gave her the "look" she would back off completely.

My father, to this day, blames my late Mother for *much*. He, of course, was a victim of her ineptitude regarding bills, children, and even what difficulties they had in their marriage.

imvho

[wallflower67]

It could be that Katherine spanked, and Joe pulled out the belt and razor strap. That's definitely the way it was in my family. Mom spanked...a lot. And yes, I do consider that abuse because of the way she did it. My dad rarely physically disciplined, but when he did, it was with the belt. That's how he was raised and that's all he knew. Though it would be considered abuse now, I did not feel abused by him at the time. He showed us a lot of love, and we really had to get out of line before he did any corporal punishment.

I can see Joe saying "Katherine spanked more" because she did all the spanking and he did all the whipping. Also Katherine wasn't the one who spent hours rehearsing the boys and whipping them when they missed a dance step.

In other words, like Dolly said above, Joe could be twisting the truth. I am anti-spanking (though I don't look down on someone who gives the occasional swat on the butt), but back in the day, that was just how discipline was done. Katherine was home with NINE kids!!!! I"m sure she had to do a lot of disciplining!

So yeah, she probably spanked more. But I'm hoping, for Paris, Blanket and Prince's sakes, it was only a few swats on the butt, and that she knows that Michael (and LaToya and Janet) wouldn't want even that for his kids.

[Gracenote]

I hope this story is wrong. I do believe that if Joe Sr. could put the kids in a glass case and show them around the country for money, he would do it. Hope he or anyone else will never have the chance. Because he is not the only greedy one in this situation.

[seeing_eye]

MJ and most of the other kids have spoken out many times of Joe's temper and his
harsh discipline . LaToya also sited emotional and verbal abuse. MJ claimed he was beat with a belt and a leather razor strop and ridiculed about his appearance.
He worked them late at night until the early morning hours knowing they needed
to be in school the next day. Only kid that hasnt spoken out and said they were abused is Jermaine.
We know now that abusers will pick one or two and focus the sadistic treatment
unto them while idolizing and pandering to others . Each child's treatment and r/s
with the abuser would be different .
IMO uneducated and greedy is a guaranteed receipe for disaster
I am only a few yrs older than MJ and we all got our asses whipped with belts
or whatever was handy - those spankings didnt become abuse until much later
when time out became the accepted form of discipline

Back when I grew up, it was the norm to receive "whippings." All the friends I knew were punished that way. I and my 3 siblings were all whipped with belts, razor strops, and switches we had to go gather ourselves. (If we didn't get a tree switch big enough we were forced to go back and cut another one.) However, I don't ever recall any verbal abuse at any time. I don't think the whippings adversely affected me or my siblings. All of us grew up to be law-abiding, responsible, productive members of our society. None of us have ever been in jail and none of us have ever been on welfare or dependent upon anyone else for anything. I think most people would describe us as respectable, "normal" people. For this reason, I hold highly suspect, anyone (including MJ) trying to blame their grown-up issues on being "whipped" as children. But verbal abuse is something else. I do believe that may cause some problems in adulthood, if it's severe.

[poco]

Hey Joe, read this ----> YOU'RE A JERK!

[wallflower67]

Back when I grew up, it was the norm to receive "whippings." All the friends I knew were punished that way. I and my 3 siblings were all whipped with belts, razor strops, and switches we had to go gather ourselves. (If we didn't get a tree switch big enough we were forced to go back and cut another one.) However, I don't ever recall any verbal abuse at any time. I don't think the whippings adversely affected me or my siblings. All of us grew up to be law-abiding, responsible, productive members of our society. None of us have ever been in jail and none of us have ever been on welfare or dependent upon anyone else for anything. I think most people would describe us as respectable, "normal" people. For this reason, I hold highly suspect, anyone (including MJ) trying to blame their grown-up issues on being "whipped" as children. But verbal abuse is something else. I do believe that may cause some problems in adulthood, if it's severe.

I am anti-physical discipline, but I think you've made a point. There is a difference between a parent saying, "You did wrong, go get your switch," and "what's wrong with your worthless a$$ today? <belt> Can't you get anything right? <belt> Why are you ruining everything? <belt>" (those words are tamer than what I'm imagining Joe said, but hopefully you get the idea)

[Magic Eyes]

[quote=VespaElf;3953774]Im curious as to your question..........what "action" do you think couldve/wouldve been taken? [quote]

respectfully snipped

I wondered if Mr J Jackson had been formally charged with child abuse. If the authorities had ever investigated and found proof of abuse. Did the mother level accusations or leave her husband? Did others outside the family complain and level accusations? Just asking..Pardon me, please. I don't mean to be rude. But the way I see it is that you are insinuating that just because Joe Jackson was never charged with child abuse, that he's innocent of all charges despite what he did to the original 'Jackson 5', Michael, in particular.

By that same reasoning, MJ was never found guilty of child molestation charges, either. Yet there are a great number of posters who are still willing to brand MJ as a child molester.

As many have said, back in the 60's and early 70's, parents who used belts and switches on their kids for discipline were never held accountable on child abuse charges.

Things have changed in the last 40 years or so. What once was considered 'acceptable' (as in beating children with belts and switches), is now a crime.

Again, just because Joe Jackson wasn't convicted for the abuse he heaped on Michael forty + years ago, doesn't mean his vile behavior would be acceptable by today's standards. :mad:

JMO.

[DollyPardonMe]

Hey Joe, read this ----> YOU'RE A JERK!

Poco, This is why I LOVE your posts! Right to the point..LOL

[travelgal]

If that was for me, I really would have preferred an answer. MJ is not big news where I come from, and I have heard very little about his father until MJ died. Thanks anyway. :)

Paintr, there is a movie miniseries "The Jackson Family, An American Dream". I think it can be rented but it is shown on BET, VH1, or other networks occasionally. From what I understand it is a pretty accurate portryal of the family (as these movies go). The Jacksons were the consultants of the movie and Jackie (I think) played the part of his father. Michael chose the actress to play his mother, Katherine. The movie shows Joe to be very harsh, and some whippings are shown. It is a 5 or 6 hour movie (3 parts). This would possibly answer many of your questions.

ETA - It is available on DVD and will be show on VH1 July 18 & July 23. (Also, none of the Jackson Sons played their father. That is another example of misinformation about this family.)

[Magic Eyes]

I am anti-physical discipline, but I think you've made a point. There is a difference between a parent saying, "You did wrong, go get your switch," and "what's wrong with your worthless a$$ today? <belt> Can't you get anything right? <belt> Why are you ruining everything? <belt>" (those words are tamer than what I'm imagining Joe said, but hopefully you get the idea)

When I was six years old, and on Christmas Day, my own father ripped a ceramic bath towel fixture off the bathroom wall and beat me with it. That was 1959.

No one considered that kind of kind of action extreme abuse either 40 years ago. Today, it would land any parent in jail. As I've said, what once was considered 'acceptable discipline' of your kids has undergone a dramatic change in the last several decades.

I don't think Joe Jackson has changed one iota in the way he treated his own kids versus the way he'd treat and exploit his own grandchildren if given the chance.

I posted last night that the man sees nothing but $ signs when it comes to exploiting children, whether they are his own kids or his 'newly inherited' grandchildren.

Abusers never change no matter how much they age. As long as that man is living and breathing, and able to pick up any object and raise his arm over his head, any child within his immediate reach is in danger. JMO.

[seeing_eye]

When I was six years old, and on Christmas Day, my own father ripped a ceramic bath towel fixture off the bathroom wall and beat me with it. That was 1959.

[snipped]



I grew up in the 40s and 50s. That kind of violence would have definitely been considered abuse even then. That's far beyond the kind of "whippings" I recall happening to me and my friends.

[jandkmom]

When I was six years old, and on Christmas Day, my own father ripped a ceramic bath towel fixture off the bathroom wall and beat me with it. That was 1959.

No one considered that kind of kind of action extreme abuse either 40 years ago. Today, it would land any parent in jail. As I've said, what once was considered 'acceptable discipline' of your kids has undergone a dramatic change in the last several decades.

I don't think Joe Jackson has changed one iota in the way he treated his own kids versus the way he'd treat and exploit his own grandchildren if given the chance.

I posted last night that the man sees nothing but $ signs when it comes to exploiting children, whether they are his own kids or his 'newly inherited' grandchildren.

Abusers never change no matter how much they age. As long as that man is living and breathing, and able to pick up any object and raise his arm over his head, any child within his immediate reach is in danger. JMO.

Sorry about that happening to you. :prayer:

[Paintr]

Thank you kindly to all who answered my questions. :blowkiss:

I was not insinuating anything. I have no idea whether JJ was an abuser or not.

I was just wondering why disgust for J Jackson was so widespread, when feelings for M Jackson were so divided. So I asked.

[panthera]

If this is true and if this situation reaches a courtroom I don't think it will look good for the Jackson family at all.
I know absolutely nothing about family law, so if anybody here does, help me out here! In MJ's Will, he requests that his mother take care of the children, and if she isn't able, for Diana Ross to do so. Since Joe J. is still married to MJ's mother, is it possible a Judge could bypass them all together and appoint Diana? I don't know if Katherine could stand up to Joe either and give the children a normal life outside the entertainment industry. And as for Debbie R, it's my opinion she's being bought off as I type. At least I've heard she doesn't want Joe J. near them though. MOO

[panthera]

I read somewhere--and I can't recall where--that MJ said at one point that he would want his sister Rebbie Jackson to take care of his kids b/c he admired how she had raised her own kids.

Rebbie Jackson at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebbie_Jackson


Hoppy
Unfortunately though it doesn't seem she's mentioned in his Will to do so. MOO

[Magic Eyes]

I grew up in the 40s and 50s. That kind of violence would have definitely been considered abuse even then. That's far beyond the kind of "whippings" I recall happening to me and my friends.

Maybe, just maybe, if I had spoken up to any adult, my father could have been charged with abuse even as earlier as 1959.

The reason I didn't speak up, is like so many abusers, my father threatened to kill my mother if I ever told anyone. My mother had left the house briefly on that Christmas Day to visit her own mother.

I was home alone with my father. I never spoke up because he threatened to kill my mother if I ever told her what he was doing to me.

By the same token, I remember one night where my father followed my mother to a boarding house where one of her friends was temporarily staying.

My dad sat across the street in a bar parking lot directly across from the boarding house. He had a gun on the dashboard. As far as my juvenile mind knew, the gun was loaded.

He threatened to kill my mother and / or her friend...whichever walked out the door first.

To this day, I don't really know if the gun on the dashboard was loaded. I just remember being huddled against the passenger door and hoping that neither my mother or her friend would step out on the porch.

Memories like that never fade. My father also sexually abused me for years. He only stopped when I was old enough to go to school. I think the reason he stopped then was that he was afraid I might finally speak up to some adult outside of our family.

I guess my point is, that no parent has to be convicted in a court of law for physical or sexual abuse. The fact that some parents threaten kids into silence most often does silence them out of fear for what might happen to their other parent or family friends.

When my dad died in 1985, I had to force myself to attend his funeral. Even during the 'showing' of his body, I was conflicted. I had always wanted to love him as most kids want to love their dads. But I had a lot of not too good emotional memories and baggage that he forced me to carry around.

I only hope that Joe Jackson never has the chance to inflict that kind of pain on MJ's own kids. JMO, so take it for what it's worth to any of you.

[PoppyH]

MJ is probably spinning in his grave, those poor babies, I sure hope this is not true and the kids tell him where to get off!!!!! They need to just be kids, not some tour group, they just lost thier daddy!!!

[DollyPardonMe]

I know absolutely nothing about family law, so if anybody here does, help me out here! In MJ's Will, he requests that his mother take care of the children, and if she isn't able, for Diana Ross to do so. Since Joe J. is still married to MJ's mother, is it possible a Judge could bypass them all together and appoint Diana? I don't know if Katherine could stand up to Joe either and give the children a normal life outside the entertainment industry. And as for Debbie R, it's my opinion she's being bought off as I type. At least I've heard she doesn't want Joe J. near them though. MOO

I know MJ wanted Diana but has it been addressed in the this thread or the one of MJ's death WHY she did not attend his memorial?

[DollyPardonMe]

Maybe, just maybe, if I had spoken up to any adult, my father could have been charged with abuse even as earlier as 1959.

The reason I didn't speak up, is like so many abusers, my father threatened to kill my mother if I ever told anyone. My mother had left the house briefly on that Christmas Day to visit her own mother.

I was home alone with my father. I never spoke up because he threatened to kill my mother if I ever told her what he was doing to me.

By the same token, I remember one night where my father followed my mother to a boarding house where one of her friends was temporarily staying.

My dad sat across the street in a bar parking lot directly across from the boarding house. He had a gun on the dashboard. As far as my juvenile mind knew, the gun was loaded.

He threatened to kill my mother and / or her friend...whichever walked out the door first.

To this day, I don't really know if the gun on the dashboard was loaded. I just remember being huddled against the passenger door and hoping that neither my mother or her friend would step out on the porch.

Memories like that never fade. My father also sexually abused me for years. He only stopped when I was old enough to go to school. I think the reason he stopped then was that he was afraid I might finally speak up to some adult outside of our family.

I guess my point is, that no parent has to be convicted in a court of law for physical or sexual abuse. The fact that some parents threaten kids into silence most often does silence them out of fear for what might happen to their other parent or family friends.

When my dad died in 1985, I had to force myself to attend his funeral. Even during the 'showing' of his body, I was conflicted. I had always wanted to love him as most kids want to love their dads. But I had a lot of not too good emotional memories and baggage that he forced me to carry around.

I only hope that Joe Jackson never has the chance to inflict that kind of pain on MJ's own kids. JMO, so take it for what it's worth to any of you.

((((((Magic Eyes)))))) I am SO sorry this happened to you!! :blowkiss:

[panthera]

I know MJ wanted Diana but has it been addressed in the this thread or the one of MJ's death WHY she did not attend his memorial?
I thought it was for the same reason Liz Taylor didn't because it would be too difficult, but that's only what I heard on one of the news shows. MOO

[angeleleven]

Maybe, just maybe, if I had spoken up to any adult, my father could have been charged with abuse even as earlier as 1959.

The reason I didn't speak up, is like so many abusers, my father threatened to kill my mother if I ever told anyone. My mother had left the house briefly on that Christmas Day to visit her own mother.

I was home alone with my father. I never spoke up because he threatened to kill my mother if I ever told her what he was doing to me.

By the same token, I remember one night where my father followed my mother to a boarding house where one of her friends was temporarily staying.

My dad sat across the street in a bar parking lot directly across from the boarding house. He had a gun on the dashboard. As far as my juvenile mind knew, the gun was loaded.

He threatened to kill my mother and / or her friend...whichever walked out the door first.

To this day, I don't really know if the gun on the dashboard was loaded. I just remember being huddled against the passenger door and hoping that neither my mother or her friend would step out on the porch.

Memories like that never fade. My father also sexually abused me for years. He only stopped when I was old enough to go to school. I think the reason he stopped then was that he was afraid I might finally speak up to some adult outside of our family.

I guess my point is, that no parent has to be convicted in a court of law for physical or sexual abuse. The fact that some parents threaten kids into silence most often does silence them out of fear for what might happen to their other parent or family friends.

When my dad died in 1985, I had to force myself to attend his funeral. Even during the 'showing' of his body, I was conflicted. I had always wanted to love him as most kids want to love their dads. But I had a lot of not too good emotional memories and baggage that he forced me to carry around.

I only hope that Joe Jackson never has the chance to inflict that kind of pain on MJ's own kids. JMO, so take it for what it's worth to any of you.

Thank you for sharing your story. You truly must be a strong person and I admire you for being able to talk about it. I can relate to your feelings about your dad's funeral. Bless you.

[Magic Eyes]

MJ is probably spinning in his grave, those poor babies, I sure hope this is not true and the kids tell him where to get off!!!!! They need to just be kids, not some tour group, they just lost thier daddy!!!

Sadly, I think that Paris, in particular, is so grieving for her daddy, that she probably did express an interest in wanting to sing a 'tribute' for her daddy.

Joe Jackson shows every sign of exploiting that as he brays about promoting the 'Jackson 3' as his newest money making venture under his Las Vegas recording label that he promoted two days after MJ's death.

He's truly a despicable and dispensable piece of worthless piece of 'humanity'. JMO, though.

[Magic Eyes]

Thank you for sharing your story. You truly must be a strong person and I admire you for being able to talk about it. I can relate to your feelings about your dad's funeral. Bless you.

Thank you, angeleleven. I don't consider myself an especially strong person. It's just that I can identify with the terror that Michael must have experienced as a child.

Not even his mother protected him. For that I find fault with her, and doubt her ability to assume guardianship of those grandbabies. I don't think she will protect them from Joe because she did not protect her own 9 children from him.

What a sad turn of events!

[Penelope]

Thank you, angeleleven. I don't consider myself an especially strong person. It's just that I can identify with the terror that Michael must have experienced as a child.

Not even his mother protected him. For that I find fault with her, and doubt her ability to assume guardianship of those grandbabies. I don't think she will protect them from Joe because she did not protect her own 9 children from him.

What a sad turn of events!

I also thank you for sharing your story. And I agree with you and angeleleven about Joe Jackson. I hope the court assigns a guardian for MJ's children who will act in their best interest and protect them from their grandfather. He doesn't seem like he is playing with a full deck and needs to be prevented from exploiting those poor grieving children. What amazes and puzzles me is that not one of Michael's brothers or sisters have done anything to muzzle their dad. If it was me, I would throw respect for my parent out the window and keep him away from MJ's kids!!

[seeing_eye]

Maybe, just maybe, if I had spoken up to any adult, my father could have been charged with abuse even as earlier as 1959.

The reason I didn't speak up, is like so many abusers, my father threatened to kill my mother if I ever told anyone. My mother had left the house briefly on that Christmas Day to visit her own mother.

I was home alone with my father. I never spoke up because he threatened to kill my mother if I ever told her what he was doing to me.

By the same token, I remember one night where my father followed my mother to a boarding house where one of her friends was temporarily staying.

My dad sat across the street in a bar parking lot directly across from the boarding house. He had a gun on the dashboard. As far as my juvenile mind knew, the gun was loaded.

He threatened to kill my mother and / or her friend...whichever walked out the door first.

To this day, I don't really know if the gun on the dashboard was loaded. I just remember being huddled against the passenger door and hoping that neither my mother or her friend would step out on the porch.

Memories like that never fade. My father also sexually abused me for years. He only stopped when I was old enough to go to school. I think the reason he stopped then was that he was afraid I might finally speak up to some adult outside of our family.

I guess my point is, that no parent has to be convicted in a court of law for physical or sexual abuse. The fact that some parents threaten kids into silence most often does silence them out of fear for what might happen to their other parent or family friends.

When my dad died in 1985, I had to force myself to attend his funeral. Even during the 'showing' of his body, I was conflicted. I had always wanted to love him as most kids want to love their dads. But I had a lot of not too good emotional memories and baggage that he forced me to carry around.

I only hope that Joe Jackson never has the chance to inflict that kind of pain on MJ's own kids. JMO, so take it for what it's worth to any of you.

Your experience was most definitely child abuse of the most horrific kind no matter which era of history it occurred. I'm sorry any person has to endure such things.

[Brwnigirl]

So this topic- Joe Jackson's plans, was appropriate to start another thread but we couldn't have a thread for grief/support??? I don't get it. :confused:

[hoppyfrog]

Unfortunately though it doesn't seem she's mentioned in his Will to do so. MOO

Yeah, I know.

[txsvicki]

Geeze I hope this isn't true. I'm wondering if any of the Jacksons really need to be in custody of any of these kids. IMO they need a really good education with the best private schools and a normal upbringing. Especially little blanket who is said to not even be biologically related to any of these people. He needs to be adopted by whoever gets them and to be kept from this type of exploitation. Joe needs to go live the rest of his life in some assisted living center where he can organize talent shows and musicals.

[Bobbisangel]

So this topic- Joe Jackson's plans, was appropriate to start another thread but we couldn't have a thread for grief/support??? I don't get it. :confused:

We also couldn't have a seperate thread for the memorial service. I don't understand that either. To me, the memorial service was totally seperate from everything else.

[gitana1]

For now, I'm taking this story with a HUGE grain of salt. While I think Joe is an exploiter, I really doubt he made those exact statements. Fox is shown as making the report but it was actually initially made b y the Sun, which is tabloid nonsense, from what I can tell. So, for what it's worth, I doubt the story.

[SuziQ]

I'm interested in what kind of drivel Joe is going to put forth in the rest of that ABC interview he did. Isn't it tomorrow morning?

[DollyPardonMe]

For now, I'm taking this story with a HUGE grain of salt. While I think Joe is an exploiter, I really doubt he made those exact statements. Fox is shown as making the report but it was actually initially made b y the Sun, which is tabloid nonsense, from what I can tell. So, for what it's worth, I doubt the story.

Here's a link to an interview Joe Jackson did with ABC regarding MJ and how he thought there was foul play. He says He and Katherine should raise them and that they should be taken care of and fed..WTF?? Also, He doesnt come right out and say he is going to put them into show business BUT he DOES say he can see Paris doing something and that Blanket is a real good dancer..Sounds like he already has something up his sleeve to me!


http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=8047192&page=1

[J. Brannagh]

That is the Absolute LAST thing Michael would want for them. For Joe Jackson to ruin their childhood exactly the same way he ruined his.

[mysteriew]

It sounds like ole Joe may be looking back to when when he had control over his children and they were making him money. Wanting to relive that life he had. But you can't go back. Things are different now, and I am glad this came out now.

By declaring his intentions now, hopefully the attorneys will make sure this will be a topic of consideration in any custody hearing. Hopefully the judge will use this in the his consideration, or maybe even offer some guidance on the topic.

[SeriouslySearching]

For now, I'm taking this story with a HUGE grain of salt. While I think Joe is an exploiter, I really doubt he made those exact statements. Fox is shown as making the report but it was actually initially made b y the Sun, which is tabloid nonsense, from what I can tell. So, for what it's worth, I doubt the story.I think it is only a rumor and even if JJ thought something like this could ever happen...he is dead wrong. Those children are going to be protected and shielded from such BS, imo. Too many people are aware of JJ's history.

[Brwnigirl]

We also couldn't have a seperate thread for the memorial service. I don't understand that either. To me, the memorial service was totally seperate from everything else.

I agree 100% :clap:

[Brwnigirl]

Does anyone else think Joe might have early dementia or is a little senile?

[Bobbisangel]

Does anyone else think Joe might have early dementia or is a little senile?

He sure doesn't think before he says something. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have dementia. Look how old he is! He should go home to Vegas and watch the flowers grow or something! I wonder if he has anyone signed up on his record label or if it is all his imagination.

[DollyPardonMe]

He sure doesn't think before he says something. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have dementia. Look how old he is! He should go home to Vegas and watch the flowers grow or something! I wonder if he has anyone signed up on his record label or if it is all his imagination.

Well, I think the Temptations have all passed and he's still singing "Just my imagination running away with me"!

[txsvicki]

I was googling La Toya and came across the book she wrote some years back alledging severe physical and sexual abuse. This book is another reason to wonder why any of the Jacksons should get these kids. La Toya even mentioned the nutty phil spector trying to lock her up in his house and this was years before he killed that woman. Maybe the custody judge should look at all of these facts to see whether Katherine is even really fit to raise the kids at her age.

[missacorah]

Agreed. Jos is a nasty piece of work IMO who will not and does not learn from his mistakes.

[feddup]

Geeze I hope this isn't true. I'm wondering if any of the Jacksons really need to be in custody of any of these kids. IMO they need a really good education with the best private schools and a normal upbringing. Especially little blanket who is said to not even be biologically related to any of these people. He needs to be adopted by whoever gets them and to be kept from this type of exploitation. Joe needs to go live the rest of his life in some assisted living center where he can organize talent shows and musicals.

LOL, thats for sure, he would have plenty to do in an assisted living facility. problem is, he might not be that out of the loop yet for them to get him into one.
He has just given me the creeps ever since he said "if Michael regurgitated, he did it all the way to the bank" DENIAL all the way.

"if" the other Jackson kids are pretty down and out as Ive read, the cousins, do you think they will show jealousy towards Paris Prince and Blanket? that could be a problem, just thought of that. But yes, Mrs J needs to get them into a good private school and also maybe get them some counselig, too. What they went thru mustve been very traumatic.
I take it they were there atthe house the day all the Paramedics, ambulances etc were there?

[feddup]

Here's a link to an interview Joe Jackson did with ABC regarding MJ and how he thought there was foul play. He says He and Katherine should raise them and that they should be taken care of and fed..WTF?? Also, He doesnt come right out and say he is going to put them into show business BUT he DOES say he can see Paris doing something and that Blanket is a real good dancer..Sounds like he already has something up his sleeve to me!


http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/Story?id=8047192&page=1

Why in the world did he say he and katherine should raise them when Michael only mentioned his MOTHER and left him out????:mad:
Someone needs to tell him to butt out.

[feddup]

Sadly, I think that Paris, in particular, is so grieving for her daddy, that she probably did express an interest in wanting to sing a 'tribute' for her daddy.

Joe Jackson shows every sign of exploiting that as he brays about promoting the 'Jackson 3' as his newest money making venture under his Las Vegas recording label that he promoted two days after MJ's death.

He's truly a despicable and dispensable piece of worthless piece of 'humanity'. JMO, though.

I saw him on a talk show once and he said: Michael and Janet are the ones in the family with the talent. Can you imagine what that made the other sons feel like:eek: I actually thought jermaine had a very nice voice when he sang the song at the memorial.

[gitana1]

The guy is bit nutty and I think delusional to boot. He wants to reclaim his former power as the father of the Jackson 5. It will never happen. I still think the whole Jackson 3 thing is a rumor, however. Fox is also reporting that Debbie Rowe agreed to give up the kids again for 4 million. But, just as the Jackson 3 story can be traced to the Sun, this new story can be traced to the New York Post, another tabloid. I still think Joe should have no say over the kids, though. I do think he would exploit them somehow.

[21merc7]

Fox is also reporting that Debbie Rowe agreed to give up the kids again for 4 million. But, just as the Jackson 3 story can be traced to the Sun, this new story can be traced to the New York Post, another tabloid.

respectfully snipped

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/14/jackson.children/

CNN and Radaronline now say that the D Rowe 4 million deal is not true.

Just understand a lot of untrue publications will be happening for quite a while about poor MJ, and anyone in anyway around him during his lifetime. (Not to mention all of the ones that happened during his lifetime.) I only hope the children are left out of it as long as they can be. Janet sure was looking like the protective mother hen during the memorial, let's hope she stops everyone flat in their tracks when it coms to these 3 young lives. So sad...

[Theonly1]

Michael would be turning in his solid bronze casket if these kids performed as "The Jackson 3" at the "direction" of Joe.

[oceanblueeyes]

Why in the world did he say he and katherine should raise them when Michael only mentioned his MOTHER and left him out????:mad:
Someone needs to tell him to butt out.

Joe is trying to bluster. He has no power anymore so he has to pretend he does. I wouldn't be surprised if the family didn't even see him much.

imo

[amysmom]

Joe is trying to bluster. He has no power anymore so he has to pretend he does. I wouldn't be surprised if the family didn't even see him much.

imo

If what he said to LK (not knowing where the body is or what's in the 2nd autopsy report) is true that=out of the family loop..I hope that's the case & he wasn't just BSing all of us!