Michael Jackson Dies at age 50 #5

[chicoliving]

This thread is for discussion of what's going on in the investigation of MJ's death.

Leave the old acquittal out of the discussion if it just for ranting purposes.

Same goes for religion.

It's sad when a few members spoil the discussion for everyone and I mean everyone! The public and members alike.

Who the heck knows what is going on now in this case if the discussion continues to fall back to ranting personal opinions of MJ himself. Get over yourselves already!

His death is suspicious. Discuss it. Discuss what's going on in the news with this case.

I expect to see Up to the Minute discussions of the investigation and not the same old rehashing and ranting.

Keep it on track or vacations will be arranged. Right now I'm coordinating month long vacations at the destination of my choosing.

[Brwnigirl]

Did anyone catch the comment on CNN? Can't remember if it was Larry or Anderson, that a source is reporting the kids want to live with Janet.

I think Michael may not have picked her because he didn't think she would do it or that she was a candidate as she had not raised children. However based on the bond between Michael and Janet and the bond between the kids and Janet, maybe this will change.

I think these are strong kids and they will speak up. It will be interesting if this is true.

[Gracenote]

Did anyone catch the comment on CNN? Can't remember if it was Larry or Anderson, that a source is reporting the kids want to live with Janet.

I think Michael may not have picked her because he didn't think she would do it or that she was a candidate as she had not raised children. However based on the bond between Michael and Janet and the bond between the kids and Janet, maybe this will change.

I think these are strong kids and they will speak up. It will be interesting if this is true.

I thought early on that Janet would be the best one to take on the role of parent for these children. She doesn't need his money, she is still young, she stood up to their dad when she was young and still does, she really seems to love them, and lots more reasons.

[Brwnigirl]

This thread is for discussion of what's going on in the investigation of MJ's death.

Leave the old acquittal out of the discussion if it just for ranting purposes.

Same goes for religion.

It's sad when a few members spoil the discussion for everyone and I mean everyone! The public and members alike.

Who the heck knows what is going on now in this case if the discussion continues to fall back to ranting personal opinions of MJ himself. Get over yourselves already!

His death is suspicious. Discuss it. Discuss what's going on in the news with this case.

I expect to see Up to the Minute discussions of the investigation and not the same old rehashing and ranting.

Keep it on track or vacations will be arranged. Right now I'm coordinating month long vacations at the destination of my choosing.

Chico, I truly am not trying to cause friction. Just to be clear are you saying we cannot discuss how we feel about MJ? Why is it in every other case, people are allowed to support key players in a case?
In this case, the person is dead and some people have followed him for up to 45 years. There is more to discuss than just the current investigation. I am not talking about dredging up the past trials and settlement.

I feel like I am beating a dead horse, but can we please have an MJ memory/support whatever you want to call it??????????????Can it go somewhere else?

People who hate him wouldn't have to come on and get all riled up. What is the reason we can't have that? I got an answer earlier from JBean on this but since that time this thread has become increasingly negative between posters. Obviously people want to talk about their personal opinion of him, which inflames others, so why oh why can this piece not be separated?
:confused:

[Brwnigirl]

I thought early on that Janet would be the best one to take on the role of parent for these children. She doesn't need his money, she is still young, she stood up to their dad when she was young and still does, she really seems to love them, and lots more reasons.

But I wonder if she would go up against her family if they don't agree? Plus she has a fiance who I don't think even attended the service ( not 100% on that) I wonder if that is a factor??

[mysteriew]

Investigators target Michael Jackson's pseudonyms

For those who live in the tabloid cross hairs, the fake name is essential. Privacy-seeking celebrities have standard pseudonyms for checking into hotels, booking spa appointments, reserving restaurant tables, advertising for help and setting up visits to the doctor's office.

But when those attempts at anonymity make their way beyond the exam room door and onto a prescription pad, a Hollywood convenience becomes a crime.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson17-2009jul17,0,3782664.story

[mysteriew]

Michael Jackson's wife sues over custody reports

Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe on Thursday sued a woman for defamation on Thursday after news reports that claimed Rowe was willing to accept millions of dollars in exchange for giving up her custody rights to her two children with the dead pop star.
In the lawsuit, which was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Rowe contends that Rebecca White committed defamation, invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
http://www.reuters.com/article/mediaNews/idUSN1644782620090717

[Bluebelle]

Jackson Autopsy Report Delayed
Posted Jul 16th 2009 9:00PM

The L.A. County Coroner's office needs another two weeks before it releases the Michael Jackson autopsy report.

Sources tell us the reason for the delay is that several outside consultants have not finished their reports.

As we have already reported, some of the tests are already in and from all indications the drug Propofol will ultimately be listed as the primary cause of Michael Jackson's death. But the Coroner does not release partial results.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/16/michael-jackson-autopsy-l-a-county-coroner-propofol/

[txsvicki]

Does anyone know if Diana Ross is married? I find it a little odd that the only people Michael trusted were old women and no father figures to be involved in the kids' raising. For all the family to now be middle aged and still not trusted or close enough to be named to raise kids with their spouses is sad.

[SuziQ]

Jackson Doc Says Bye to Cali (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
Dr. Conrad Murray has made himself scarce since speaking with the LAPD two days after Michael Jackson's death. We've learned the doctor has high-tailed it out of California, at least for now.

More at link

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol/

[SuziQ]

Michael Jackson's wife sues over custody reports

Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe on Thursday sued a woman for defamation on Thursday after news reports that claimed Rowe was willing to accept millions of dollars in exchange for giving up her custody rights to her two children with the dead pop star.
In the lawsuit, which was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Rowe contends that Rebecca White committed defamation, invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
http://www.reuters.com/article/mediaNews/idUSN1644782620090717

Sheesh, you would think the media would check their sources better. This chick has inserterd herself into high profile cases for years and made bogus claims.

[Mystic]

Some things are really bothering me. Supposedly MJ passed an intense medical examination in order for the insurance to cover him for these concerts. Stated is that the coverage included an overdose policy. Then its been said that the original 10 concerts turned into 50, which is something MJ was not to pleased with.(and I don't blame him) How could a medical exam with blood/urine and other tests not show the medications or at least the results these medications would have had on his physical well being?

I know that it sounds like a conspiracy theory, yet there truly was a heavy financial debt and many high rolling players (weren't there). And I'm not even (at this point) saying that any doctors were part of that 'knowingly'. Just seems quite odd to me.

I've not said much on anything else and I'll say right now that my heart goes out to those children. I definately don't want to hash out the past trials of this man, he was acquitted. His life was one that not many or any could possibly relate too. Even Elvis had his childhood and early adult life to himself, he could walk down the street. MJ, since age 5 was secluded by his genius of his art. He loved music, he cherished his fans and in order to do that in our society it seems he had to recluse himself. He also had many tradegies. Yet he cherished his innocence and cared deeply for humanity and this is where he succeeded to make his life deeply meaningful.

I am truly mortified by the replaying of the pepsi video over and over.

From this I hope that finally doctors are made to be accountable for over prescribing and crossing the line. I also hope for something else, from the articles, videos I've seen of MJ just walking out of a dr's office and being mobbed by media and fans... I feel that there has to be some laws created to allow celebrities space. We can admire and enjoy there contribution to the world with respect. They deserve to have a personal life. To walk out of building, to their parked vehicle without being mobbed. This to me is a right of every human and I am appalled that it isn't the case. No one can relate to that form of violation and it is violating imo. I just can not imagine his life and what his beautiful talent asked of him to give up.

may he rest in peace

[Dryad]

Investigators target Michael Jackson's pseudonyms

For those who live in the tabloid cross hairs, the fake name is essential. Privacy-seeking celebrities have standard pseudonyms for checking into hotels, booking spa appointments, reserving restaurant tables, advertising for help and setting up visits to the doctor's office.

But when those attempts at anonymity make their way beyond the exam room door and onto a prescription pad, a Hollywood convenience becomes a crime.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson17-2009jul17,0,3782664.story

"One person who worked closely with Jackson in the 1980s and '90s said Jackson's physicians filed his medical records under pseudonyms, including Omar Arnold, Joseph Scruz and Bill Bray, and used those names to schedule appointments and order tests"

Michael's mother's maiden name is Screws (but they later changed the spelling to Scruse) as it's listed today. Looks like he was using his dad's first name and mom's maiden name with an alternate spelling.
If this is true....

[LawRig]

I've seen of MJ just walking out of a dr's office and being mobbed by media and fans... I feel that there has to be some laws created to allow celebrities space. We can admire and enjoy there contribution to the world with respect. They deserve to have a personal life. To walk out of building, to their parked vehicle without being mobbed.

respectfully snipped

imo the paparazzi have entirely too much freedom to hound, harass, chase, mob, and invade the entertainers of today. I won't post it here, but on a website that follows the lives of the famous, is a picture of a "report" bent over with his hand held camera under the full skirt of a well-known heiress, trying to take a picture of her under her skirt. I find that reprehensible. I understand wanting to have the "scoop" on news regarding our favorites famous faces....but I agree, they go way way too far. It's not news whether or not Paris Hilton has on underwear today, or why Michael Jackson was coming out of anyones office. There's no need for you or I to know either of those things. IN retrospect, all the reporting on Michael didn't really help him at all did it? We know who he owed money to, and where he slept and many useless details but in the end the information that could have saved his life, (his extensive use of prescriptions from multiple doctors) didn't really surface or effect any help for him.

can you imagine being identified as the man who murdered Michael Jackson because you were too greedy to say no to his request for drugs? even as an accident, because of the result, you would become one of the most notorious people in the world. Accident or not, the result is horrendous. And where were the paps when it came time to track any real information? meh.. as a whole I think the "reporting " industry is a corrupted version of what it was intended to be. News agencies are more about creating news, controlling it and distorting it than reporting it. and they are dangerous.

look what happend to Princess Di.

I think that's a good name for them... News Distorters.

all they seem to want are the gruesome, ugly, damaged shots and stories that demean people. Look at what Bashir did to Michael.

I don't blame the famous for being reclusive and secretive... the distorters are like a flock of carrion feeders. They get a hint of decay and swarm.

and in the end, all it does is feed the prurient interests of strangers.

I feel sad for Michael, for all the coverage of his doings, it merely served to terrify him, his kids, provide a shelter to hide his illness of addictions under and a veil of disinformation that had deadly consequences.

and all he wanted was to do good. how sad.

the worst curse of this century is fame.

[oceanblueeyes]

Investigators target Michael Jackson's pseudonyms

For those who live in the tabloid cross hairs, the fake name is essential. Privacy-seeking celebrities have standard pseudonyms for checking into hotels, booking spa appointments, reserving restaurant tables, advertising for help and setting up visits to the doctor's office.

But when those attempts at anonymity make their way beyond the exam room door and onto a prescription pad, a Hollywood convenience becomes a crime.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson17-2009jul17,0,3782664.story

What is interesting this seems to be typical behavior between doctors and celebrities and I think it is happening in the average Joe/Jane as well.

"When actress Winona Ryder was arrested for shoplifting in 2001, investigators found a cache of painkillers in her purse and later determined that she had used six aliases in seeking 37 prescriptions from 20 doctors."

The article said that in her case the doctor was stripped of his license. I did not see that he was criminally prosecuted for doing this though.

So even if some of these doctors for MJ aren't criminally prosecuted it does seem like some of them will lose their medical licenses. Or some may lose their license and face criminal prosecution too. Good.

I just wish they would be this attentive too about rounding up the doctors that do this for the many Americans, not just celebrities, who are addicted to prescription drugs who also are doctor shopping, giving aliases and the doctors who always have their script pad in hand that doesn't blink an eye when giving them more and more prescription drugs.

imo

[Openmind]

What is interesting this seems to be typical behavior between doctors and celebrities and I think it is happening in the average Joe/Jane as well.

"When actress Winona Ryder was arrested for shoplifting in 2001, investigators found a cache of painkillers in her purse and later determined that she had used six aliases in seeking 37 prescriptions from 20 doctors."




When my mother-in-law moved to assisted living, we found a shocking cache of medications hidden around her apartment. No painkillers but, nonetheless, a toxic mix of medications. She would go to one doctor and get prescriptions and then go to another and not reveal what she was already taking. She was looking for the magic pill to solve all her problems. To the best of our knowledge, she never mixed medications but she could have. She was your average senior citizen, and I am sure she felt she was not abusing anything. She just felt she knew best what she needed.

[oceanblueeyes]

Sheesh, you would think the media would check their sources better. This chick has inserterd herself into high profile cases for years and made bogus claims.

I see more lawsuits following this one. So much erroneous information has been spoken and written about this case that I believe were put out there intentionally with malice to titillate the public in order to boost their sales and boost their ratings.

DR was supposed to have said that more or less she cares more about her brood mares than she does the children. IIRC that was in The Sun. I think it is a bald face lie.

Then Grace was to have said she had to pump MJs stomach out but Grace denies she ever said that and said she doesn't even know how to pump someone's stomach out.

So the web is weaving and a lot of people aren't just going to let it go and I don't blame any of them one bit.

Of course even if the media outlets have to payout it will not be nearly the amount of money they made off of airing or printing the original "faux" story and they know that. They still come out ahead on the bottom line which is all they care about anyway.

imo

[wandering]

McCartney talks to Letterman about Jackson.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/musictoob/17657/mccartney-talks-about-jackson-to-david-letterman/

[wandering]

But I wonder if she would go up against her family if they don't agree? Plus she has a fiance who I don't think even attended the service ( not 100% on that) I wonder if that is a factor??

I haven't seen anything anywhere that says she is being considered. Have you? Has she stepped up to the plate?

[wandering]

I apologize for posting that link about MJ's unreleased song. I hadn't read the comments, which were really offensive. I deleted it. Again, my apologies to any who read it.

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone know if Diana Ross is married? I find it a little odd that the only people Michael trusted were old women and no father figures to be involved in the kids' raising. For all the family to now be middle aged and still not trusted or close enough to be named to raise kids with their spouses is sad.

I don't know if Diana is married.

But I do understand why MJ picked older women who have been mothers and grandmothers for a very long time.

If I had to pick my children's caregiver if they were still young children I certainly would pick an older woman who has raised many children.

So many of our children today are being raised by their older grandparents and the grandparent does a exemplary job.

imo

[wandering]

Here's a beautiful tribute to MJ, videos of him and his children.

YouTube - ~Dance With My Father~ Michael Jackson Tribute

[SoSueMe]

I agree about the Pepsi commercial. Enough already! Once was enough for me.

What I'm really concerned about is how these doctors are allowed to discuss MJ's treatment(s). Shouldn't the HIPAA law apply and who regulates this? Does anyone know?

[Brwnigirl]

I haven't seen anything anywhere that says she is being considered. Have you? Has she stepped up to the plate?

Well I heard yesterday that a source close to the family is saying the kids want to be with her, that she is spending a lot of time with him and that they are close to her. Sorry I know it was CNN, but not sure what program as I was in and out and just overheard the TV.

[Openmind]

On "Today" they show Grace taking the three kids yesterday to a Jehovah Witness class. It seems the family has brought her back for at least now. Kind of sad they are being photographed, but then I am watching.

I agree about the Pepsi commercial. Enough already! Once was enough for me.


It is deeply disturbing.

[LiveLaughLuv]

<<<snipped for purpose>>>
According to a new report, the kids in question, Prince Michael, 12, and Paris-Michael Katherine, 11, along with their 7-year-old brother Prince Michael II (aka Blanket), have made their own decision. They want their late father's sister, Janet Jackson, to raise them.
more at the link...

“Janet is not only willing to raise those children, she is also the only relative who knows how to protect them,” the source explained. “Janet knows the value of a private life and knows how to keep her personal life out of the news. She is determined to do that for Michael’s children. She is saying that he would want no less for them, pointing out how far he went to shelter them.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31926909/ns/entertainment-gossip/

[Roze]

respectfully snipped

imo the paparazzi have entirely too much freedom to hound, harass, chase, mob, and invade the entertainers of today. I won't post it here, but on a website that follows the lives of the famous, is a picture of a "report" bent over with his hand held camera under the full skirt of a well-known heiress, trying to take a picture of her under her skirt. I find that reprehensible. I understand wanting to have the "scoop" on news regarding our favorites famous faces....but I agree, they go way way too far. It's not news whether or not Paris Hilton has on underwear today, or why Michael Jackson was coming out of anyones office. There's no need for you or I to know either of those things. IN retrospect, all the reporting on Michael didn't really help him at all did it? We know who he owed money to, and where he slept and many useless details but in the end the information that could have saved his life, (his extensive use of prescriptions from multiple doctors) didn't really surface or effect any help for him.

can you imagine being identified as the man who murdered Michael Jackson because you were too greedy to say no to his request for drugs? even as an accident, because of the result, you would become one of the most notorious people in the world. Accident or not, the result is horrendous. And where were the paps when it came time to track any real information? meh.. as a whole I think the "reporting " industry is a corrupted version of what it was intended to be. News agencies are more about creating news, controlling it and distorting it than reporting it. and they are dangerous.

look what happend to Princess Di.

I think that's a good name for them... News Distorters.

all they seem to want are the gruesome, ugly, damaged shots and stories that demean people. Look at what Bashir did to Michael.

I don't blame the famous for being reclusive and secretive... the distorters are like a flock of carrion feeders. They get a hint of decay and swarm.

and in the end, all it does is feed the prurient interests of strangers.

I feel sad for Michael, for all the coverage of his doings, it merely served to terrify him, his kids, provide a shelter to hide his illness of addictions under and a veil of disinformation that had deadly consequences.

and all he wanted was to do good. how sad.

the worst curse of this century is fame.

And our youth seem obsessed with becoming famous themselves and everyone wants to attach themselves to these people.

I've lived next door to an iconic singer/celebrity, whom I will not name, for the past 10 years. I have seen firsthand the way people latch themselves on to this person and to this person's children because of the fame. They are always the most assertive and shallow sort. It's rather sad and disgusting. I've watched how this person deals with it, and I've always gotten the impression that they really believe everyone is just nice. Pfffft.... kind of naive under the circumstances but this celebrity is very down to earth and nice. I can see that perhaps MJ may have been the same way.

Fame -- no, thank you! You attract the dregs of society, IMO.

[ges79]

When my mother-in-law moved to assisted living, we found a shocking cache of medications hidden around her apartment. No painkillers but, nonetheless, a toxic mix of medications. She would go to one doctor and get prescriptions and then go to another and not reveal what she was already taking. She was looking for the magic pill to solve all her problems. To the best of our knowledge, she never mixed medications but she could have. She was your average senior citizen, and I am sure she felt she was not abusing anything. She just felt she knew best what she needed.

My neighbor will celebrate her 90th birthday, God willing, August 28th. I drive her to doctor appointments, for any necessary tests/ bloodwork she needs to have done. Currently, she is on at least 15 different medications which she has to take on a daily basis. I often wonder about possible interaction(s) between all these meds. :confused: :eek:

[shana]

Does anyone know if Diana Ross is married? I find it a little odd that the only people Michael trusted were old women and no father figures to be involved in the kids' raising. For all the family to now be middle aged and still not trusted or close enough to be named to raise kids with their spouses is sad.

According to her bio at imdb, Diana Ross is not married (divorced twice):

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005384/bio

I wonder if Michael Jackson reviewed his Will in recent years and if so, whether he re-considered his wishes for the guardianship of his children. It would seem his lawyer(s) might have re-visited this issue with him...much can change in seven years.

I'm also curious whether he ever discussed this matter with his mother or sisters or if like some of us, he avoided the subject altogether. In his private thoughts, he may not have been able to pick one sister over the other and so left the children in-charge of his mother...relying on her judgment for the call.

[wandering]

According to her bio at imdb, Diana Ross is not married (divorced twice):

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005384/bio

I wonder if Michael Jackson reviewed his Will in recent years and if so, whether he re-considered his wishes for the guardianship of his children. It would seem his lawyer(s) might have re-visited this issue with him...much can change in seven years.

I'm also curious whether he ever discussed this matter with his mother or sisters or if like some of us, he avoided the subject altogether. In his private thoughts, he may not have been able to pick one sister over the other and so left the children in-charge of his mother...relying on her judgment for the call.

I wonder if Ross's DUI in Vegas will come up in this hearing? I also wonder if she was aware of her designation in MJ's will.

[wandering]

I agree about the Pepsi commercial. Enough already! Once was enough for me.

What I'm really concerned about is how these doctors are allowed to discuss MJ's treatment(s). Shouldn't the HIPAA law apply and who regulates this? Does anyone know?

I'm not sure, but maybe it doesn't apply to the deceased in a criminal investigation? Anna Nicole's records were publicized.

[karenmamo]

Here's a beautiful tribute to MJ, videos of him and his children.

YouTube - ~Dance With My Father~ Michael Jackson Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrKWpCYa_IM)

Beautiful and sad.
People will be viewing those pictures of MJ's children for years!
These precious kids will be spotlighted for years no matter how much the family attempts to prevent it.
But then again, maybe they will no longer need to hide.

[shana]

Overmedicating of the elderly is a real problem that's been publicized for many years. I remember an old daytime talk show - perhaps Donahue? - addressing this issue. Adding to it, older persons are likelier to forget instructions, times when taken, and so forth.

As it is, the system is ripe for abuse from doctor-shopping to irresponsible doctors prescribing whatever a patient may ask for, and in large quantities too.

There needs to be a national prescription database which doctors and pharmacists would be bound by law to consult.

~customary jmo~

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if Ross's DUI in Vegas will come up in this hearing? I also wonder if she was aware of her designation in MJ's will.




I wouldn't even see why Diana Ross would be mentioned at this juncture but wasn't that case years ago?

She didn't seem to be surprised or I don't think she would have quickly come out that she was willing to raise the children if they needed her.

imo

[wandering]

I wouldn't even see why Diana Ross would be mentioned at this juncture but wasn't that case years ago?

She didn't seem to be surprised or I don't think she would have quickly come out that she was willing to raise the children if they needed her.

imo

You don't mind if I wonder about that, do you? Usually, in custody cases, things like that do come up.

Do you know what will be discussed in that hearing? She was designated to be one of the caretakers, why do you think it won't come up? Diana Ross is 20 years younger than Katharine. It's more likely that it will come up, rather than that Janet J. will be discussed.

[Penelope]

When my mother-in-law moved to assisted living, we found a shocking cache of medications hidden around her apartment. No painkillers but, nonetheless, a toxic mix of medications. She would go to one doctor and get prescriptions and then go to another and not reveal what she was already taking. She was looking for the magic pill to solve all her problems. To the best of our knowledge, she never mixed medications but she could have. She was your average senior citizen, and I am sure she felt she was not abusing anything. She just felt she knew best what she needed.

I live in Manitoba, Canada. One of the benefits of the Canadian Health sytem is that each Province has a medical database. When you go the hospital or to a pharmacy, your file is accessed on a computer and it gives a listing of all the medications you have purchased and are taking. Since everyone is on the same healthcare system and you have to have an official gov't. card and ID # to be treated, it makes it harder to get prescriptions under an alias. Of course, you could just pay off the plan, but your name would still be in the database because in order to treat you, they would enter your name and info.

[nomad]

Thanks for the video, wandering- I now see where I mistook the blonde boy, the middle child, for Blanket<....boy is he a precious doll, or what?

[shana]

You don't mind if I wonder about that, do you? Usually, in custody cases, things like that do come up.

Do you know what will be discussed in that hearing? She was designated to be one of the caretakers, why do you think it won't come up? Diana Ross is 20 years younger than Katharine. It's more likely that it will come up, rather than that Janet J. will be discussed.

I believe it would be a valid question if Diana Ross were first-named instead of Katherine, and if she (Diana) had filed with the Court.

I don't know the protocol of these proceedings but it seems to me that only those who file for custody would be heard and their suitability reviewed at some point during the whole process. Those persons would also have to have standing. To my knowledge, Diana Ross has not filed nor will she even need to be present. Debbie Rowe has standing and may/may not appear/file for custody.

My understanding is that the Court will decide based on the best interests of the children, but it cannot simply place these minors with a person named as an alternate by the decedent in his Will unless said person has agreed and filed with the Court as a contender. Same thing for someone who might be better-suited (eg Janet) unless said person has filed. The Court will attempt to honor the decedent's wishes as stated but is not bound to adhere to them.

I could be way-off here but I think the Court may continue the case until certain studies (conducted by CPS & others?) have been ordered and completed.

~jmo~

I wish a Family Law atty would set me straight on the above and also on the following:

It seems to me that the Will would be entertained only insofar as MJ's first choice (Katherine) and unless she declined or was unable/incapacitated at this point in time, the Court would then proceed to review other persons who had filed. iow, I think MJ's alternate choice applies now and not to future custody proceedings; for example, if/when Katherine is no longer able, at which time the Court would start a new custody case and not revert to the Will.

I'm not "up-to-date" with the latest news so my apologies if I've missed what's been published recently about contenders, etc.

(sorry too for convoluted sentences)

[oceanblueeyes]

You don't mind if I wonder about that, do you? Usually, in custody cases, things like that do come up.

Do you know what will be discussed in that hearing? She was designated to be one of the caretakers, why do you think it won't come up? Diana Ross is 20 years younger than Katharine. It's more likely that it will come up, rather than that Janet J. will be discussed.

I am not sure what you mean, wandering. Why would I mind that you wonder about it.:waitasec: All I was saying is since this is a custody case where the only one who has filed motions at this point is KJ and possibly DRowe or will at least have her lawyer there, I don't see why Ross would be involved yet. Isn't this next hearing to do with KJs filed motion of gaining custody of the children?

Diana Ross is 65 isn't she and Katherine 79?

[wallflower67]

I just saw The Jacksons: An American Dream. There was a scene where the fans stormed the stage. There were girls older than him (still teens) that were screaming "I love you, Michael."

The kids could hardly get out of the building, even with security helping, due to the crazy mob of fans who just wanted to touch them. One of the brothers had his medallion ripped off his neck.

In the car, Michael was crying and saying, "I don't know how much more of this I can take." In another scene, Joe Jackson had to pick up Micheal, who was throwing the mother of all tantrums because he didn't want to perform, and put him on the plane.

The movie was produced by Jermaine, so I'm sure it was probabaly accurate. What a horrible thing to put a child through!

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for the video, wandering- I now see where I mistook the blonde boy, the middle child, for Blanket<....boy is he a precious doll, or what?

Prince, the blond haired boy, when he was younger.... is the oldest child but they all are absolutely beautiful children.

They all have darker brown hair now but Blanket's hair looks black.

imo

[wandering]

I just saw The Jacksons: An American Dream. There was a scene where the fans stormed the stage. There were girls older than him (still teens) that were screaming "I love you, Michael."

The kids could hardly get out of the building, even with security helping, due to the crazy mob of fans who just wanted to touch them. One of the brothers had his medallion ripped off his neck.

In the car, Michael was crying and saying, "I don't know how much more of this I can take." In another scene, Joe Jackson had to pick up Micheal, who was throwing the mother of all tantrums because he didn't want to perform, and put him on the plane.

The movie was produced by Jermaine, so I'm sure it was probabaly accurate. What a horrible thing to put a child through!

I watched that, too. I felt that Michael needed his mother right then. Poor baby...

[wandering]

I am not sure what you mean, wandering. Why would I mind that you wonder about it.:waitasec: All I was saying is since this is a custody case where the only one who has filed motions at this point is KJ and possibly DRowe or will at least have her lawyer there, I don't see why Ross would be involved yet. Isn't this next hearing to do with KJs filed motion of gaining custody of the children?

Diana Ross is 65 isn't she and Katherine 79?

Diana and Katharine are the only two people named in the will. Judges adhere to the final wishes whenever possible. If DR challenges, then there will be a problem.

[wandering]

Jackson mementos buried at storied Detroit cemetery.

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/detroit/index.ssf/2009/07/mementos_of_michael_jackson_bu.html

[littleangel]

<<<snipped for purpose>>>

more at the link...




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31926909/ns/entertainment-gossip/

I actually think this makes the most sense. I saw at the memorial when Paris was speaking and finished it was Janet she latched onto crying. This whole situation is so sad, and everytime I see Blanket , it makes me so sad. He looks so lost and scared.

[oceanblueeyes]

Diana and Katharine are the only two people named in the will. Judges adhere to the final wishes whenever possible. If DR challenges, then there will be a problem.

DR challenges? Do you mean Debbie Rowe or Diana Ross?

I don't think Rowe is going to challenge although she may ask the court for visitation rights.

Ross will not challenge imo. She knows MJ wanted his mother as first choice.

imo

[Trino]

I don't recall Diana Ross saying anything about custody. The will was made in 2002 - seven years ago when DR was 58. Kind of makes you wonder if this is something she would really want at age 65.

[Amity]

Interesting information about burns, especially scalp burns.
Some comments attributed to Dr. Peter Grossman, of the Grossman Burn Center (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Grossman_Burn_Center) in Los Angeles, California.
A loved one and a dear friend have both had the most expert care and treatment for second and third degree burns at G B C.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/17/jackson.scalp.head.burns/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

[SuziQ]

Jacksons Headin' to Jamaica, Mon! (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 1:32PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
It's only been 3 weeks since Michael died, but we've learned Marlon and Randy Jackson will be joining Tito on stage ... performing Jackson 5 songs next week.

More at link
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/

[SuziQ]

Settlement Near in Jackson Custody Case (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/settlement-near-in-jackson-custody-case/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 3:40PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
We're told lawyers for Debbie Rowe and Katherine Jackson are working out a custody settlement and the discussions are amicable. One source connected with the case tells us, "It should be settled very soon."

More at link:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/settlement-near-in-jackson-custody-case/

[SuziQ]

Jackson Guardianship Hearing Delayed (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-katherine-jackson-custody/)

Posted Jul 17th 2009 6:01PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-katherine-jackson-custody/

[feddup]

Prince, the blond haired boy, when he was younger.... is the oldest child but they all are absolutely beautiful children.

They all have darker brown hair now but Blanket's hair looks black.

imo

there s something about Paris that reminds me of Debbie Rowe, I do believe Paris and Prince are Debbie Rowes children....but the shape of Paris' face and her eye color remind me alot of Debbie Rowe and if she didhave them with Michael that is why they are so lighter skinned and Paris has blue/light eyes.
Theyre all very cute and adorable children. Blanket is still a baby, looks a little shy.

[wandering]

Jackson Guardianship Hearing Delayed (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-katherine-jackson-custody/)

Posted Jul 17th 2009 6:01PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-katherine-jackson-custody/

Wow, you scooped JVM. Tonight she was saying the hearing is Monday.

[kato]

Jackson Doc Says Bye to Cali (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
Dr. Conrad Murray has made himself scarce since speaking with the LAPD two days after Michael Jackson's death. We've learned the doctor has high-tailed it out of California, at least for now.

More at link

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol/

Supposedly he is back here in Houston. I looked up his address (office) and was going to go put a sign up. Now that he's back I for sure will if I can get my buddy to go with me.

[Brwnigirl]

Supposedly he is back here in Houston. I looked up his address (office) and was going to go put a sign up. Now that he's back I for sure will if I can get my buddy to go with me.

What will your sign say Kato?

[Bobbisangel]

there s something about Paris that reminds me of Debbie Rowe, I do believe Paris and Prince are Debbie Rowes children....but the shape of Paris' face and her eye color remind me alot of Debbie Rowe and if she didhave them with Michael that is why they are so lighter skinned and Paris has blue/light eyes.
Theyre all very cute and adorable children. Blanket is still a baby, looks a little shy.

I can see Debbie in Paris too. I can also see her in Prince when he was a lot younger. Poor little Blanket...he just seems so lost. He probably doesn't understand what is going on. He is such a beautiful little boy with that black hair and huge black eyes. Paris is a doll and will be a beautiful young lady. All three kids are as cute as they can be. One thing I noticed in the videos is that they dress just like every other kid their age. I think that Michael made sure that their lives were as normal as possible. You can sure tell that they loved their dad and he loved them. My heart goes out to those kids for the loss of their dad. Now they have no mom or dad. I hope they live with someone that gives them lots of hugs and love.

[kato]

what will your sign say kato?


"quack murderer"

[teedie2]

Jacksons Headin' to Jamaica, Mon! (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 1:32PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
It's only been 3 weeks since Michael died, but we've learned Marlon and Randy Jackson will be joining Tito on stage ... performing Jackson 5 songs next week.

More at link
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/


I read at some link that the reason the Jackson 4 couldn't succeed in their musical careers after Michael went out on his own was because MJ bought the Jackson 5 portfolio (is that the correct word?) and he would not allow the 4 brothers to use that material. But now they are going to use some of it?

eta:
.... Well, SuziQ, I we have had a small exchange about this already. I hadn't read your response to my post on thread #4 until just now! (That's day late and dollar short, right?)

Your response:

I'm not sure why MJ cut them off with the J5 rights. I don't know the date of the purchase, but it was when the brothers ran out of Jackson five money and they needed more. My understanding is he was fond of all the women except La Toya. With the exception of Randy he couldn't stand the men. The family was not close at all and Michael rarely saw any of them. The family seems to have latched on to his appearance at the parents anniversary party as proof of closeness. But I bet we'll find out they hadn't seen him for month's or years.

I truly think you are right spot-on in your assessment.

[What'sThatClue]

Jackson Autopsy Report Delayed
Posted Jul 16th 2009 9:00PM

The L.A. County Coroner's office needs another two weeks before it releases the Michael Jackson autopsy report.

Sources tell us the reason for the delay is that several outside consultants have not finished their reports.

As we have already reported, some of the tests are already in and from all indications the drug Propofol will ultimately be listed as the primary cause of Michael Jackson's death. But the Coroner does not release partial results.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/16/michael-jackson-autopsy-l-a-county-coroner-propofol/


Odd, but I just received an e-mail alert from the FDA (I signed up to receive alerts) that certain lots of the drug Propofol have been recalled due to adverse reactions, possibly including resiptory distress and death. I'm not saying Michael Jackson had these lots or this adverse effect. It's just that when I received the alert and saw the drug name, I immediately thought of MJ's use of the drug and his subsequent death.


Snip below from press release:



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - July 16, 2009 – Teva Pharmaceuticals USA is initiating a voluntary recall of Propofol Injectable Emulsion 10 mg/mL 100 mL vials, lot numbers 31305429B and 31305430B. The product lots identified are being recalled due to the presence of elevated endotoxin levels in some vials within these lot numbers.

Teva has been notified of 41 propofol-treated patients who experienced post-operative fever, chills and other flu-like symptoms. Based on available information it appears that all febrile or flu-like reactions were self-limiting with spontaneous resolution.

Adverse health effects, such as fever, chills, or rigors, are possible with exposure to product with elevated levels of endotoxins. Serious adverse effects, such as disseminated intravascular coagulopathy, acute respiratory distress syndrome, shock, and death, are possible with exposure to product with high endotoxin levels.


Full press release: http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm172474.htm

[kato]

According to her bio at imdb, Diana Ross is not married (divorced twice):

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005384/bio

I wonder if Michael Jackson reviewed his Will in recent years and if so, whether he re-considered his wishes for the guardianship of his children. It would seem his lawyer(s) might have re-visited this issue with him...much can change in seven years.

I'm also curious whether he ever discussed this matter with his mother or sisters or if like some of us, he avoided the subject altogether. In his private thoughts, he may not have been able to pick one sister over the other and so left the children in-charge of his mother...relying on her judgment for the call.

Her last husband, Arne Naess (sp?), father of her 2 youngest sons died a couple years ago. Some kinda freak accident like falling off a cliff or somesuch. I'd have to research it but I'm too lazy right now.

[kato]

Jacksons Headin' to Jamaica, Mon! (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 1:32PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
It's only been 3 weeks since Michael died, but we've learned Marlon and Randy Jackson will be joining Tito on stage ... performing Jackson 5 songs next week.

More at link
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/


If true how utterly TACKY!!!

[shana]

Her last husband, Arne Naess (sp?), father of her 2 youngest sons died a couple years ago. Some kinda freak accident like falling off a cliff or somesuch. I'd have to research it but I'm too lazy right now.

Yes...

from the imdb bio:

Her ex-husband, Arne Naess Jr., died on 13th January, 2004 in a climbing accident in South Africa.

(They divorced in 2000.)

[shana]

I read at some link that the reason the Jackson 4 couldn't succeed in their musical careers after Michael went out on his own was because MJ bought the Jackson 5 portfolio (is that the correct word?) and he would not allow the 4 brothers to use that material. But now they are going to use some of it?

eta:
.... Well, SuziQ, I we have had a small exchange about this already. I hadn't read your response to my post on thread #4 until just now! (That's day late and dollar short, right?)

Your response:



I truly think you are right spot-on in your assessment.

Hi teedie2! Thanks for bringing-over this thread info from #4.

I heard on some record that the reason the Jackson 4 couldn't succeed in their musical careers after Michael went out on his own was because he was no longer lead singer, heh. (sorry, could not resist) :crazy:

This idea of a renewed J4 is rather sad to me so I guess I had to make some light of it.

All said, I still wish them well.

[shana]

Odd, but I just received an e-mail alert from the FDA (I signed up to receive alerts) that certain lots of the drug Propofol have been recalled due to adverse reactions, possibly including resiptory distress and death. I'm not saying Michael Jackson had these lots or this adverse effect. It's just that when I received the alert and saw the drug name, I immediately thought of MJ's use of the drug and his subsequent death.


Snip below from press release:



Full press release: http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm172474.htm

Hi What'sThatClue! One of the usual suspects aka Talking Heads said yesterday or day before that the Propofol which MJ might have had access to is not in the tainted lot. How this person knew such a thing, I'm not sure (nor can I recall said person's credentials).

Just offering as a FYI, fwiw. :-)

[azwriter]

I wonder if Ross's DUI in Vegas will come up in this hearing? I also wonder if she was aware of her designation in MJ's will.



wandering, I think that DUI charge was in Tucson, AZ.

[shana]

wandering, I think that DUI charge was in Tucson, AZ.

Hi azwriter! Right you are, and also if imdb is:

She was arrested (http://www.imdb.com/SearchBios?arrested) in 2002 in Tucson, Arizona, for driving under the influence and after pleading guilty was sentenced to two days in jail, 36 hours of counseling and one year probation.

...

Entered Malibu, CA drug and alcohol rehab Promises center May 20, 2002 prior to start of global summer tour.

[mitzi]

Here's a beautiful tribute to MJ, videos of him and his children.

YouTube - ~Dance With My Father~ Michael Jackson Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrKWpCYa_IM)

This is just so precious. Anyone who says that Michael didn't love those precious children and raise them with love and understanding, must be blind. It's so obvious how he felt about his children. Thankyou so much for posting this. :blowkiss:

[mitzi]

Jacksons Headin' to Jamaica, Mon! (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/)
Posted Jul 17th 2009 1:32PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
It's only been 3 weeks since Michael died, but we've learned Marlon and Randy Jackson will be joining Tito on stage ... performing Jackson 5 songs next week.

More at link
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/michael-jackson-brothers-jackson-5-jamiaca/

Geesh! Michael's barely cold, and there they go, rushing to make some $$$...not much different than "Daddy Joe", huh! :mad:

[Bobbisangel]

Geesh! Michael's barely cold, and there they go, rushing to make some $$$...not much different than "Daddy Joe", huh! :mad:

The concerts were no doubt already scheduled and they had no choice but to go ahead and do them. I really don't think it is wrong though. They aren't raising Michael's kids or have anything to do with the will and so there isn't any reason for them not to go on with their lives and keep their own appts.

Personally I think it was really unfair of Michael to buy the rights to all of the Jackson 5's music so that his brothers couldn't use the music. They were all the Jackson 5. Michael might have changed his mind about allowing the brothers to sing the songs in his later years. From what I've read the kids fought just like any large family with that many kids. Heck, like most sibs do.

Does anyone know the story behind Michael breaking away from the brothers and going out on his own...how that came about?

I would love to hear the 4 brothers do their old songs. They still have beautiful voices. I would just like to hear them sing any songs. They should invite Tito's sons to join their group. Then they could be the Jackson 7 :clap:

[Elphaba]

The concerts were no doubt already scheduled and they had no choice but to go ahead and do them. I really don't think it is wrong though. They aren't raising Michael's kids or have anything to do with the will and so there isn't any reason for them not to go on with their lives and keep their own appts.

Personally I think it was really unfair of Michael to buy the rights to all of the Jackson 5's music so that his brothers couldn't use the music. They were all the Jackson 5. Michael might have changed his mind about allowing the brothers to sing the songs in his later years. From what I've read the kids fought just like any large family with that many kids. Heck, like most sibs do.

Does anyone know the story behind Michael breaking away from the brothers and going out on his own...how that came about?

I would love to hear the 4 brothers do their old songs. They still have beautiful voices. I would just like to hear them sing any songs. They should invite Tito's sons to join their group. Then they could be the Jackson 7 :clap:

I agree, too... I don't think it is wrong, as well. I am not sure of the other 2, but Tito's main job is as a musician, so him returning to the stage is no different than your average Joe returning to work after taking time off work for a loss in the family.

As for the Jackson 5 and Michael leaving: Michael branched out into a solo career early on when the J5 first became popular, and from my understanding when Motown and the J5 had issues, Michael took the opportunity of breaking completely away with his own contract. Getting down to the point: Michael followed the best financial options.

[wandering]

Jackson news keeps coming. Janet broke up with her BF.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090718/ENT07/907180353/1035/ENT/Jackson-news-keeps-coming

[wandering]

I agree, too... I don't think it is wrong, as well. I am not sure of the other 2, but Tito's main job is as a musician, so him returning to the stage is no different than your average Joe returning to work after taking time off work for a loss in the family.

As for the Jackson 5 and Michael leaving: Michael branched out into a solo career early on when the J5 first became popular, and from my understanding when Motown and the J5 had issues, Michael took the opportunity of breaking completely away with his own contract. Getting down to the point: Michael followed the best financial options.

MJ didn't need them. They needed him.

[Peliman]

check out tmz on the doc

[feddup]

The concerts were no doubt already scheduled and they had no choice but to go ahead and do them. I really don't think it is wrong though. They aren't raising Michael's kids or have anything to do with the will and so there isn't any reason for them not to go on with their lives and keep their own appts.

Personally I think it was really unfair of Michael to buy the rights to all of the Jackson 5's music so that his brothers couldn't use the music. They were all the Jackson 5. Michael might have changed his mind about allowing the brothers to sing the songs in his later years. From what I've read the kids fought just like any large family with that many kids. Heck, like most sibs do.

Does anyone know the story behind Michael breaking away from the brothers and going out on his own...how that came about?

I would love to hear the 4 brothers do their old songs. They still have beautiful voices. I would just like to hear them sing any songs. They should invite Tito's sons to join their group. Then they could be the Jackson 7 :clap:

The festival is dedicated to Michael Jackson. I dont see anything wrong with it.
Alot of singers leave the group and go on their own....Sting did with the Police, etc. I guess Michael just had different song ideas, etc?

[SuziQ]

Jackson Doc Declines to Chat with Cops (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/)

Posted Jul 18th 2009 3:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/

ETA: this cracks me up.

(snip)
And here's the best part. Our sources say the cops called the lawyer back and they were referred to the lawyer's lawyer who said Dr. Murray's lawyer would not be speaking to them!

[whiteangora]

Jackson Doc Declines to Chat with Cops (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/)

Posted Jul 18th 2009 3:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/

ETA: this cracks me up.

(snip)
And here's the best part. Our sources say the cops called the lawyer back and they were referred to the lawyer's lawyer who said Dr. Murray's lawyer would not be speaking to them!

That is hysterical.......the doc's lawyer was on TV :talker: but now he's
decided to :shutup: and hire his own lawyer! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

[capps]

Jackson Doc Declines to Chat with Cops (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/)

Posted Jul 18th 2009 3:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/

ETA: this cracks me up.

(snip)
And here's the best part. Our sources say the cops called the lawyer back and they were referred to the lawyer's lawyer who said Dr. Murray's lawyer would not be speaking to them!

That's funny,I wonder how long it will be before Dr. Murrays' lawyers' lawyer,will be hiring a lawyer.:doh:

[Trino]

"quack murderer"

That's an interesting sign, but it could be followed by a lawsuit.

[wallflower67]

The concerts were no doubt already scheduled and they had no choice but to go ahead and do them. I really don't think it is wrong though. They aren't raising Michael's kids or have anything to do with the will and so there isn't any reason for them not to go on with their lives and keep their own appts.

Personally I think it was really unfair of Michael to buy the rights to all of the Jackson 5's music so that his brothers couldn't use the music. They were all the Jackson 5. Michael might have changed his mind about allowing the brothers to sing the songs in his later years. From what I've read the kids fought just like any large family with that many kids. Heck, like most sibs do.

Does anyone know the story behind Michael breaking away from the brothers and going out on his own...how that came about?

I would love to hear the 4 brothers do their old songs. They still have beautiful voices. I would just like to hear them sing any songs. They should invite Tito's sons to join their group. Then they could be the Jackson 7 :clap:

I just saw The American Dream. Michael was already distancing himself from the family when Thriller came out. He did not want to do the Victory tour (with his 5 brothers...the only tour that all 6 bros did together), but Barry Gordy of Motown convinced him to do it. What I gathered was that as the older kids married, and Jermaine even left the group (to be replaced by Randy) Michael felt increasingly abandoned. As the younger brother, things were changing for him when he was still 12 or 13.

I am guessing he bought the rights to the songs because it really was his voice that made the group what it was. Maybe he didn't want the music to be done again, esp if he was having bad memories.

Just a thought.

[mistivon]

I have a feeling they are going to bring Murray in for questioning and arrest him on some small thing to keep him there.
He'll be denied bond so as not to run.
LAPD is NOT going to just let him decide not to talk to them.

[Levi]

Tonight @ 10 PM EST / 9 CST Crime Analyst Sheryl McCollum will be discussing the Michael Jackson investigation. Listen here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

[Bobbisangel]

I just saw The American Dream. Michael was already distancing himself from the family when Thriller came out. He did not want to do the Victory tour (with his 5 brothers...the only tour that all 6 bros did together), but Barry Gordy of Motown convinced him to do it. What I gathered was that as the older kids married, and Jermaine even left the group (to be replaced by Randy) Michael felt increasingly abandoned. As the younger brother, things were changing for him when he was still 12 or 13.

I am guessing he bought the rights to the songs because it really was his voice that made the group what it was. Maybe he didn't want the music to be done again, esp if he was having bad memories.

Just a thought.


Thanks so much. I always wondered how the seperation came about. For some reason I thought they seperated before Thriller. I love the music the Jackson 5 put out. I watched a short video where Tito's 3 boys sang a little of the Jackson 5's songs and they were pretty good. Of course no one has the voice that Michael had then but they were good.

[dr dona]

i have quietly watched on the sidelines for awhile- Natalie and Kaylee burned me out. Just wanted to comment - I really pray Aunt Janet seeks custody of these kids. I think she would be great. Maybe the prospect of becoming a mom to three prompted her to rethink her engagement. It would be hard to keep the children out of public focus if married to a record producer. Janet, your brother will be smiling in heaven if you parent his children.

[wallflower67]

Thanks so much. I always wondered how the seperation came about. For some reason I thought they seperated before Thriller. I love the music the Jackson 5 put out. I watched a short video where Tito's 3 boys sang a little of the Jackson 5's songs and they were pretty good. Of course no one has the voice that Michael had then but they were good.

The only song I downloaded from the Victory album (by The Jacksons) was the one where Michael did lead vocals with a guest duet by Mick Jaggar! Maybe there are some other song on there that are good, but that's the only one I recognized.

[panthera]

Jackson Doc Declines to Chat with Cops (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/)

Posted Jul 18th 2009 3:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/

ETA: this cracks me up.

(snip)
And here's the best part. Our sources say the cops called the lawyer back and they were referred to the lawyer's lawyer who said Dr. Murray's lawyer would not be speaking to them!
It seems both Dr. M. and his lawyer who has been on tv are a little worried right now about pending charges? :behindbar MOO

[wandering]

Jackson Doc Declines to Chat with Cops (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/)

Posted Jul 18th 2009 3:00AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/18/jackson-doc-declines-to-chat-with-cops/

ETA: this cracks me up.

(snip)
And here's the best part. Our sources say the cops called the lawyer back and they were referred to the lawyer's lawyer who said Dr. Murray's lawyer would not be speaking to them!

Wow! I've never heard of anything like that before.

[wandering]

Michael Jackson's mother may challenge will executors.

http://www.mlive.com/music/index.ssf/2009/07/michael_jacksons_mother_may_ch.html

[Brwnigirl]

i have quietly watched on the sidelines for awhile- Natalie and Kaylee burned me out. Just wanted to comment - I really pray Aunt Janet seeks custody of these kids. I think she would be great. Maybe the prospect of becoming a mom to three prompted her to rethink her engagement. It would be hard to keep the children out of public focus if married to a record producer. Janet, your brother will be smiling in heaven if you parent his children.

When I heard the original report that the kids were wanting Janet, I thought it was also reported that the source said she is spending a great deal of time with the kids and reads to them every night and that she is the person most like Michael so the kids would naturally gravitate towards her.

[SuziQ]

I'm not sure how that doc feels, but my confidence in my attorney would go out the window if I found out my attorney needs an attorney....

[panthera]

When I heard the original report that the kids were wanting Janet, I thought it was also reported that the source said she is spending a great deal of time with the kids and reads to them every night and that she is the person most like Michael so the kids would naturally gravitate towards her.
I could tell at the memorial service that at least Paris was bonding with her. I think it would be wonderful if Janet took care of them. She's young, healthy, and doesn't have other children. :)

[panthera]

I'm not sure how that doc feels, but my confidence in my attorney would go out the window if I found out my attorney needs an attorney....
I think he should find another one with a lot of experience in criminal defense ~ and soon. MOO

[Theonly1]

there s something about Paris that reminds me of Debbie Rowe, I do believe Paris and Prince are Debbie Rowes children....but the shape of Paris' face and her eye color remind me alot of Debbie Rowe and if she didhave them with Michael that is why they are so lighter skinned and Paris has blue/light eyes.
Theyre all very cute and adorable children. Blanket is still a baby, looks a little shy.

Paris is totally Debbie Rowe's child (and Prince Michael too). Look at the bottom half of her face--her chin, lower jaw, mouth and nose. Other than her darker coloring she looks just like her mama.

[Theonly1]

I agree with the poster who mentioned Michael likely having to pass a rigorous medical exam and physical for insurance purposes in order to do this upcoming tour. How is it that a doctor, especially one hired on behalf of an insurance company, could miss intravenous needle marks? How could a doctor miss anorexia? How could a doctor while doing a tox screen miss the cocktail of drugs alleged to be in his blood on a daily basis? Perhaps Michael wasn't the physical wreck the tabloids are screaming he was. Or maybe he hand-picked the doctor/s who did the physical?

[Theonly1]

I'm not sure how that doc feels, but my confidence in my attorney would go out the window if I found out my attorney needs an attorney....

SuziQ, I'm sure your dentist needs a dentist and maybe even your hairdresser needs a hairdresser? :) Most attorneys I know have an attorney and they aren't fools.

[mysteriew]

SuziQ, I'm sure your dentist needs a dentist and maybe even your hairdresser needs a hairdresser? :) Most attorneys I know have an attorney and they aren't fools.

Yeah but how many attorneys do you know who won't talk to cops? Even about their clients. LOL, most of the attorneys I know like talking to the cops almost as much as they like talking to the media.

I'm trying to think why the attorney might do this and having trouble coming up with a reason. Past rumors indicate that MJ had his employees to sign privacy agreements upon employment. Did he write up a contract, or review a contract between MJ and the Doc perhaps? That could make him a material witness. But would maybe be a conflict of interest for him to keep representing the Doc.

[SuziQ]

SuziQ, I'm sure your dentist needs a dentist and maybe even your hairdresser needs a hairdresser? :) Most attorneys I know have an attorney and they aren't fools.

Sure, for a reason relating to themselves, like a divorce. But to have an attorney represent you for representing your client? Bizarre to say the least.

[Bobbisangel]

Michael Jackson's mother may challenge will executors.

http://www.mlive.com/music/index.ssf/2009/07/michael_jacksons_mother_may_ch.html

I think she will challenge that. I can't help but wonder why Michael didn't update his will. He didn't have Blanket when that will was written and the one guy that he wanted for a executor quit. It seems that if he had drawn up a new will though that attorney who wrote it would have come forward by now.

I wonder if it is really true that Janet wants to take the kids and they want to live with her? There are so many rumors flying around it is hard to tell. Either Janet or Rebbie should raise them. They would still see their gramma when they wanted.

[mysteriew]

As far as custody goes, I think it doesn't really matter so much whether Janet gets custody or Katherine does. Because even if Katherine gets custody, that doesn't mean that the kids have to live with her. It just means she has the say so over the kids, the one who decides what is best for the kids. She can keep them or send them to boarding school or move them into Janet's if she feels that is best for them. She can choose to coparent with Janet. And as long as the kids are cared for properly, the court wouldn't interfere.

[kiki the parrot]

Before their was Neyo, or Chris Brown, or Usher, or JT, there was Michael...

YouTube - Michael Jackson- Billie Jean (live munich 1997)

Every line was squeaky clean, each move razor sharp, stacatto, and stylized so that, unlike his imitators, even his sexiest moves were never vulgar. Billie Jean was never my favorite song, but at the end of this live performance we are privileged to see MJ the artist and consumate entertainer in true unparallelled mime and dancing form.

Often imitated never duplicated, below is a tribute by the many who came after Michael, acknowledging his influence over their artistry.

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/405852/michael-jacksons-wide-reaching-influence.jhtml#id=1614746

:parrot:

[Bobbisangel]

The only song I downloaded from the Victory album (by The Jacksons) was the one where Michael did lead vocals with a guest duet by Mick Jaggar! Maybe there are some other song on there that are good, but that's the only one I recognized.

Where did you find their Victory album? I would love to listen to it.

[Bobbisangel]

Before their was Neyo, or Chris Brown, or Usher, or JT, there was Michael...

YouTube - Michael Jackson- Billie Jean (live munich 1997) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G9A-eNWI34)

Every line was squeaky clean, each move razor sharp, stacatto, and stylized so that, unlike his imitators, even his sexiest moves were never vulgar. Billie Jean was never my favorite song, but at the end of this live performance we are privileged to see MJ the artist and consumate entertainer in true unparallelled mime and dancing form.

Often imitated never duplicated, below is a tribute by the many who came after Michael, acknowledging his influence over their artistry.

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/405852/michael-jacksons-wide-reaching-influence.jhtml#id=1614746

:parrot:


Thanks for posting that. I love to watch him dance. He is so fluid it is unbelievable. There is no one who can dance like he could. He was so talented and such an intertainer. I could watch him for hours. I don't especially like to watch him grab his crotch but I guess stuff like that just goes with show business. I don't remember him doing it that much though.

How do you find these videos on Utube? I went there and I can't find anything.

[Brwnigirl]

Sure, for a reason relating to themselves, like a divorce. But to have an attorney represent you for representing your client? Bizarre to say the least.

Well Michael Jackson wasn't your average patient, which makes the doctor not your everday doctor in a typical situation...I don't find it that odd for this situation.

[kiki the parrot]

YouTube - Smooth criminal ( Moonwalker )[HD] - Michael Jackson
ETA Posting Different Link to music video from Moonwalker

With all due respect any gangsta rappa can grab his crotch... here we have another example of Michael's impeccably executed, highly stylized dance choreography that punctuated both his live performances--and his music videos which combined musical theatre with visual effects to tell a story. I love the theatrical element to his videos... the body of his work is so expansive, I am still discovering new creations everyday. Below is video obituary which describes and captures the true magic of MJ's artistry. ETA I love Brandon Adams in this as a young boy, playing Zeke 'Baby Bad' Michael... who dances like Michael, and claims to have taught MJ 'everything he knows' LOL, too cute.

http://open.salon.com/blog/saturn_smith/2009/07/03/michael_jackson_a_visual_obituary

:parrot:

[Brwnigirl]

Thanks for posting that. I love to watch him dance. He is so fluid it is unbelievable. There is no one who can dance like he could. He was so talented and such an intertainer. I could watch him for hours. I don't especially like to watch him grab his crotch but I guess stuff like that just goes with show business. I don't remember him doing it that much though.

How do you find these videos on Utube? I went there and I can't find anything.

You can go on there and search Michael Jackson or just google youtube+michael jackson..All kinds of stuff will come up.
I just watched Thriller again..it had over 50 million hits.

[Brwnigirl]

YouTube - Michael Jackson - They Don't Care About Us

Here's one for you Bobbi. This is the song that we saw MJ performing 2 days before he died.:)

Warning- Some crotch grabbing going on in this video. :nono:

[oceanblueeyes]

I think she will challenge that. I can't help but wonder why Michael didn't update his will. He didn't have Blanket when that will was written and the one guy that he wanted for a executor quit. It seems that if he had drawn up a new will though that attorney who wrote it would have come forward by now.

I wonder if it is really true that Janet wants to take the kids and they want to live with her? There are so many rumors flying around it is hard to tell. Either Janet or Rebbie should raise them. They would still see their gramma when they wanted.

Yes, it seems KJ has smart lawyers. They are NOT contesting MJs Will because if they do that then that will automatically disqualify themselves and they will no longer be a part of the Will. So KJ is only contesting who the Administrators are going be that will be overseeing collecting and disbursements of funds available.

KJ will be awarded custody of the children imo. Nothing stops Katherine from having others assist her such as Grace, Rebbie or even JJ when she has the time to spend with the children. I think these children will have more people willing to help raise them than many other children who are in these type of situations, where their parent or parents are deceased.

I think the children will do just fine.

imo

[wallflower67]

Where did you find their Victory album? I would love to listen to it.

YOu can download it from Itunes. Maybe Amazon sells it. I didn't check there.

[wallflower67]

I, like a lot of you, are worried that Katherine wont stand up to Joseph as far as beating the kids. After watchin The American Dream, I have a bit of hope. Towards the end of the movie he was going to beat one of the boys; she grabs the belt from him and says, "There will be no more beatings. Now go to bed." After she found out about his affair, it seemed like she really stood up to him. Hopefully, that attitude has stayed with her. I still hope she gives the kids to Janet to raise.

[tezi]

I'm not sure how that doc feels, but my confidence in my attorney would go out the window if I found out my attorney needs an attorney....

Isn't that the truth? Plus, Dr. Murray will probably be billed for the attorney's attorney!!!!!:eek:

My biggest question is why the attorney needs an attorney?:confused::confused::confused:

Boy, this is a clusterfluck if ever there was one!!!!:crazy:

[SuziQ]

Murder charges in Michael Jackson case are unlikely, source says

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-legal19-2009jul19,0,6908980.story

[SuziQ]

Why is Michael's Mom Mounting Legal Challenge?

Posted Jul 19th 2009 10:10AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/19/michael-jackson-katherine-will-challenge-probate-court/

[Theonly1]

Before their was Neyo, or Chris Brown, or Usher, or JT, there was Michael...

YouTube - Michael Jackson- Billie Jean (live munich 1997) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G9A-eNWI34)

Every line was squeaky clean, each move razor sharp, stacatto, and stylized so that, unlike his imitators, even his sexiest moves were never vulgar. Billie Jean was never my favorite song, but at the end of this live performance we are privileged to see MJ the artist and consumate entertainer in true unparallelled mime and dancing form.

Often imitated never duplicated, below is a tribute by the many who came after Michael, acknowledging his influence over their artistry.

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/405852/michael-jacksons-wide-reaching-influence.jhtml#id=1614746

:parrot:

Thanks for that amazing video clip! I love the dancing he does right before the 7 minute mark.

[Theonly1]

Why is Michael's Mom Mounting Legal Challenge?

Posted Jul 19th 2009 10:10AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/19/michael-jackson-katherine-will-challenge-probate-court/

I thought she had issues with one or both of the named executors. Since she's getting a good chunk of his estate (allegedly 40%) and named as the first choice as guardian for the children then one might wonder what she's kvetching about. Sometimes you have to measure where and when to fight your battles! If she thinks the executors will squander or mishandle the estate, she would want someone trustworthy in the position. Perhaps this is her fear?

[21merc7]

Isn't that the truth? Plus, Dr. Murray will probably be billed for the attorney's attorney!!!!!:eek:

My biggest question is why the attorney needs an attorney?:confused::confused::confused:

Boy, this is a clusterfluck if ever there was one!!!!:crazy:

JMO, an attorney always needs an attorney. Perhaps charges are down the line here. I have worked for attorneys for over a decade. The best thing an attorney can do for him/her self, is have an attorney. Especially when a major issue arises. (Legal land is just that, legal land. Sadly America has become just that.) This attorney knows something is up, his client gave something or told something to him that is knowledge within the "legal" system. He needs an attorney to appropriately handle the "Client" and/or his knowledge of the situation. Completely normal, but awaiting the next drama,

[wandering]

Yes, it seems KJ has smart lawyers. They are NOT contesting MJs Will because if they do that then that will automatically disqualify themselves and they will no longer be a part of the Will. So KJ is only contesting who the Administrators are going be that will be overseeing collecting and disbursements of funds available.

KJ will be awarded custody of the children imo. Nothing stops Katherine from having others assist her such as Grace, Rebbie or even JJ when she has the time to spend with the children. I think these children will have more people willing to help raise them than many other children who are in these type of situations, where their parent or parents are deceased.

I think the children will do just fine.

imo

The will dictates who the administrators are. She is asking if she can protest them without contesting the will, or if that protest will negate her inheritance.

It's right here, in the TMZ link:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/19/michael-jackson-katherine-will-challenge-probate-court/

They filed legal papers Friday asking a judge to rule if Katherine can object to the appointment of the executors named in Michael's will and still collect the money her son left her.

Here's the issue. There's a "no contest" clause in the will, meaning anyone who files objections to the will automatically gets no money. McMillan and Levitch want to know if the "no contest" clause would apply if Katherine only objects to the executors Michael chose.

[panthera]

Murder charges in Michael Jackson case are unlikely, source says

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-legal19-2009jul19,0,6908980.story
This part of the article, though, may be important ~ depending whether or not Propofol was in his system ~


" If the toxicology report indicates that Jackson's death was caused by propofol, the powerful anesthetic found in his home, prosecutors could bring charges against doctors or others involved in giving him the drug. Prosecutors have discussed a range of possible charges in that scenario "all the way up to involuntary manslaughter," the senior law enforcement official said.

But the sources agreed that the probe may end without criminal charges directly related to the death. Even if the coroner declares the case a homicide, authorities may not pursue charges, said one source familiar with the investigation".

[wandering]

This part of the article, though, may be important ~ depending whether or not Propofol was in his system ~


" If the toxicology report indicates that Jackson's death was caused by propofol, the powerful anesthetic found in his home, prosecutors could bring charges against doctors or others involved in giving him the drug. Prosecutors have discussed a range of possible charges in that scenario "all the way up to involuntary manslaughter," the senior law enforcement official said.

But the sources agreed that the probe may end without criminal charges directly related to the death. Even if the coroner declares the case a homicide, authorities may not pursue charges, said one source familiar with the investigation".


Good catch, Panthera.

[panthera]

Good catch, Panthera.
Thanks so much :) It just caught my eye, that even though "murder" charges aren't brought it doesn't mean other charges won't be. MOO

[oceanblueeyes]

This part of the article, though, may be important ~ depending whether or not Propofol was in his system ~


" If the toxicology report indicates that Jackson's death was caused by propofol, the powerful anesthetic found in his home, prosecutors could bring charges against doctors or others involved in giving him the drug. Prosecutors have discussed a range of possible charges in that scenario "all the way up to involuntary manslaughter," the senior law enforcement official said.

But the sources agreed that the probe may end without criminal charges directly related to the death. Even if the coroner declares the case a homicide, authorities may not pursue charges, said one source familiar with the investigation".


I find the part I have bolded ludicrous. So if the Coroner declares it a homicide they let the one who committed the homicide just walk free without any punishment? Are doctors in LA above the law? They can be guilty of a homicide and the DA doesn't seek justice for the victim? I would gather to say that this case is one of the most high profile cases LA has had.

I cannot believe that the family members of MJ would just stand down, say nothing and accept this if they did decide not to charge him with homicide if the LA coroner declares it one.

To not charge them would incite anger,upheaval, raw emotions and frustrations among many who live there or who would come there in droves if this happened and no charges are filed.

The doctors who have spoken out about diprivan on tv have said if it was administered it would still be there for the coroner to find. If Murray administered this drug then he MUST not be above the law because if this is what killed MJ, Murray is the one responsible for being totally inept and the reason the world has been robbed of the world's greatest entertainer.

And Murray was to have made some very incriminating statements when he met with LE the first time.

imo

[panthera]

I find the part I have bolded ludicrous. So if the Coroner declares it a homicide they let the one who committed the homicide just walk free without any punishment? Are doctors in LA above the law? They can be guilty of a homicide and the DA doesn't seek justice for the victim? I would gather to say that this case is one of the most high profile cases LA has had.

I cannot believe that the family members of MJ would just stand down, say nothing and accept this if they did decide not to charge him with homicide if the LA coroner declares it one.

To not charge them would incite anger,upheaval, raw emotions and frustrations among many who live there or who would come there in droves if this happened and no charges are filed.

The doctors who have spoken out about diprivan on tv have said if it was administered it would still be there for the coroner to find. If Murray administered this drug then he MUST not be above the law because if this is what killed MJ, Murray is the one responsible for being totally inept and the reason the world has been robbed of the world's greatest entertainer.

And Murray was to have made some very incriminating statements when he met with LE the first time.

imo
It would also seem to go against the precedent the state attorney general has set in regard to the ANS case and those two doctors who have been charged. MOO

[travelgal]

I just saw The American Dream. Michael was already distancing himself from the family when Thriller came out. He did not want to do the Victory tour (with his 5 brothers...the only tour that all 6 bros did together), but Barry Gordy of Motown convinced him to do it. What I gathered was that as the older kids married, and Jermaine even left the group (to be replaced by Randy) Michael felt increasingly abandoned. As the younger brother, things were changing for him when he was still 12 or 13.

I am guessing he bought the rights to the songs because it really was his voice that made the group what it was. Maybe he didn't want the music to be done again, esp if he was having bad memories.

Just a thought.

Donald Trump says that Michael was a very shrewd businessman. He saw the writing on the wall at a very early age in my opinion. He may not have always used good judgement in his personal life, but I have read several comments on his ability to be a very good businessman.

ETA: I have seen The American Dream many times and I feel it is one of the best accounts of the Jackson's lives.

[shana]

YouTube - Smooth criminal ( Moonwalker )[HD] - Michael Jackson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WVpQ0ZG8Q)
ETA Posting Different Link to music video from Moonwalker

With all due respect any gangsta rappa can grab his crotch...:parrot:

Just wanted to speak to the subject...

Way back in the day, I tried to do what MJ did. I was a dancin' fool back then, older now and not so quick & coordinated...

Anyway, he did that crotch-grab in such an instant and try as I did, no way could I duplicate. Madonna tried as well, epic fail.

Later on, his 'grab' was more like a fig leaf; iow, an open hand covering vs grabbing. Artful to the max!

Nobody can do it quite like MJ did, in any form.

Adding more thanks for the tube links, kiki! Much appreciated.

[Theonly1]

Here's the issue. There's a "no contest" clause in the will, meaning anyone who files objections to the will automatically gets no money. McMillan and Levitch want to know if the "no contest" clause would apply if Katherine only objects to the executors Michael chose.

I would logically think it would but without seeing the written clause one can't know for sure. I'm thinking Katherine might want to let it go and wait to see if an executor does something wrong later and address it then (and not as a pre-emptive strike, so to speak).

[shana]

I thought she had issues with one or both of the named executors. Since she's getting a good chunk of his estate (allegedly 40%) and named as the first choice as guardian for the children then one might wonder what she's kvetching about. Sometimes you have to measure where and when to fight your battles! If she thinks the executors will squander or mishandle the estate, she would want someone trustworthy in the position. Perhaps this is her fear?

Methinks she has that lawyer representing her who wants in....the very one who dissed the nurse practitioner who spoke-up first about Diprivan. The nurse, one of the very few, who stood-up and hipped us all to this IV drug in MJ's life. The all-purpose family lawyer put her down immediately, on national TV.

No way Katherine would truly contest or even kvetch about the two executors MJ appointed. It's her lawyer speaking, acting on her supposed behalf after convincing her to so allow...and it's stupid strategy.

I hope the answer is Yes, if you contest the executors, you are disinherited.

~usual jmo~

[Theonly1]

Just wanted to speak to the subject...

Way back in the day, I tried to do what MJ did. I was a dancin' fool back then, older now and not so quick & coordinated...

Anyway, he did that crotch-grab in such an instant and try as I did, no way could I duplicate. Madonna tried as well, epic fail.

Later on, his 'grab' was more like a fig leaf; iow, an open hand covering vs grabbing. Artful to the max!

Nobody can do it quite like MJ did, in any form.

Adding more thanks for the tube links, kiki! Much appreciated.

It started as arty but he ended up overdosing on crotch-grabbing. Hehe. In the era of BAD and years later his crotch grab was almost like a nervous tick. I'm glad he started to phase that out.

[Theonly1]

Re: the nurse that he allegedly asked to supply him with Diprivan

Does anyone else find her to be credible? I do. While I could be wrong, her interviews seem to have the ring of truth to them.

I wonder who first supplied him with the "Milk of Amnesia". Did he receive it during a surgery and like its effect?

[shana]

It started as arty but he ended up overdosing on crotch-grabbing. Hehe. In the era of BAD and years later his crotch grab was almost like a nervous tick. I'm glad he started to phase that out.

Oh, I didn't realize he had fazed it out. Thank you. :->

[shana]

Re: the nurse that he allegedly asked to supply him with Diprivan

Does anyone else find her to be credible? I do. While I could be wrong, her interviews seem to have the ring of truth to them.

I wonder who first supplied him with the "Milk of Amnesia". Did he receive it during a surgery and like its effect?

As implied above, YES I find her credible. She gave the first public notice of MJ's use of Diprivan and his recent plea for it in March, if you accept her account.

Reportedly he did a tour back in the 90s with an anesthesiologist and gear for IV transmission as part of his crew gear. Dunno if true.

It is hard for me to understand how ANY decent doctor could put him under with Diprivan or Versed with an intention to give him much-needed rest. This is not REM sleep...it is semi-comatose. Not one of these so-called doctors has yet said they sent him to a sleep clinic, or helped him deal with his insomnia...

Not really sure how anyone could be put under for surgery and like its effect, or liken it to getting a good night's rest.

[Bobbisangel]

I thought she had issues with one or both of the named executors. Since she's getting a good chunk of his estate (allegedly 40%) and named as the first choice as guardian for the children then one might wonder what she's kvetching about. Sometimes you have to measure where and when to fight your battles! If she thinks the executors will squander or mishandle the estate, she would want someone trustworthy in the position. Perhaps this is her fear?


I think that Katherine wants to be the executor or to be added as one. She probably doesn't trust these guys as so many people burned Michael.

With the clause that Michael had put in the will I don't think a person can contest just one part of the will and be ok. I don't know why those attorneys
are even putting this question in front of the judge. That clause means the will period whether it is one part of it or all of it. Katherine is playing with fire and if I were her I would let it go.

I don't know why the attorneys didn't ask if it would be possible for Katherine's name to be added as an executor in place of the guy that quit working for Michael and so can't be an executor. That way she isn't contesting the will...just asking to be added. That way she could keep track of his business dealings and make sure they are on the up and up. Maybe the judge would go for that.

[shana]

I think that Katherine wants to be the executor or to be added as one. She probably doesn't trust these guys as so many people burned Michael.

With the clause that Michael had put in the will I don't think a person can contest just one part of the will and be ok. I don't know why those attorneys
are even putting this question in front of the judge. That clause means the will period whether it is one part of it or all of it. Katherine is playing with fire and if I were her I would let it go.

I don't know why the attorneys didn't ask if it would be possible for Katherine's name to be added as an executor in place of the guy that quit working for Michael and so can't be an executor. That way she isn't contesting the will...just asking to be added. That way she could keep track of his business dealings and make sure they are on the up and up. Maybe the judge would go for that.

Hi Bobbisangel!

Just as you say, I don't know why these attys are questioning and ITA they should leave it alone.

I believe McClain stepped-down due to his illness.

Michael appointed his Executors based on their abilities to perform. He did not suggest they be guardians of his children, nor did he appoint his Mother as Co-Executor. Apart from those designations in this pour-over Will, the terms of the Trust will prevail. iow, I'm not sure just what Katherine (or her attys) are trying to do at this point, nor do I understand on what basis they entertain any mis/distrust of the persons MJ appointed to carry-out the terms of these joined agreements. From what I've read, the remaining one Executor is more than capable and above reproach.

[Bobbisangel]

Hi Bobbisangel!

Just as you say, I don't know why these attys are questioning and ITA they should leave it alone.

I believe McClain stepped-down due to his illness.

Michael appointed his Executors based on their abilities to perform. He did not suggest they be guardians of his children, nor did he appoint his Mother as Co-Executor. Apart from those designations in this pour-over Will, the terms of the Trust will prevail. iow, I'm not sure just what Katherine (or her attys) are trying to do at this point, nor do I understand on what basis they entertain any mis/distrust of the persons MJ appointed to carry-out the terms of these joined agreements. From what I've read, the remaining one Executor is more than capable and above reproach.


I think the judge will leave the will as is too. So now there is only one person left? Michael appointed three and so this may make a difference but I doubt it. I guess if he had wanted his mother involved in his business dealings he would have made her an exector in the will. Those attorneys are leading her in the wrong direction. They should know that you can't contest a part of the will. There is no difference in contesting a part or the whole will in my opinion. Michael put that clause in his will for a reason.

I'm surprised old Joe isn't contesting the will because his name isn't in it :boohoo:

[shgrbkr]

I just now discovered the MJ thread here. So if what I'm about to say has been said, forget it, but I have to speak up. This whole thing is SOOO sad. Hopefully this week we will hear the tox results and that people are going down for this!

Now--there is NO reason for anyone to die from being on Diprivan. NONE. NO REASON, that is IF THEY ARE PROPERLY MONITORED!! Now, I realize that the Diprivan shouldn't have been used in the first place, but since it was, I'm going with that.
First of all, true monitoring is more than someone looking in on you every hour or two. TRUE monitoring is continuous EKG rhythm, Blood pressure every 15 minutes, continuous O2 sat, Resp rate. Since diprivan wears off pretty quickly, once a person is noted to have a decreased resp rate or o2 sat, the drip should be turned off, oxygen turned up, and generally a person would start to come around. If they dont, they get intubated.

in hospital settings, diprivan is used as a drip only to people who are on a ventilator. So, here are my questions: Where was the freaking doctor??? What in heck was the guy doing? Sleeping on the job? Eating in the kitchen? Hanging out with the security guys? Watching tv? Had everyone gotten so complacent with MJ being on this carp that nobody was paying attention? Was MJ hooked up to monitors and the alarms turned off or alarm parameters set so wide they wouldn't go off? The volume turned down really low so you couldn't hear it? Clearly, while MJ shouldn't have been on this stuff in the first place, since he was, he was NOT BEING MONITORED PROPERLY. Period.
Other questions from me in this scenario: Why didn't the doctor have an intubation kit and ventilator on hand just in case things went awry? What about an AED? It's not like MJ couldn't afford to buy them. Even a halfa$$ed doctor would insist upon those being in the room! And the "doctor" didn't even know already to have MJ on the floor for CPR?? Come on guys, this is beyond ridiculous. Did anyone even open an airway or try mouth to mouth? All we hear on the 911 tape is that they are "pumping him." Nothing is said about the airway. It does no good to "pump" a person if you have no airway.
This is so ridiculous that MJ died because of a bunch of greedy people. Granted, if he hadn't, he'd still be using today, but at least he'd still have a chance. I hope they nail every one of these doctors to the wall. Right to the wall.

[bamafide]

I just now discovered the MJ thread here. So if what I'm about to say has been said, forget it, but I have to speak up. This whole thing is SOOO sad. Hopefully this week we will hear the tox results and that people are going down for this!

Now--there is NO reason for anyone to die from being on Diprivan. NONE. NO REASON, that is IF THEY ARE PROPERLY MONITORED!! Now, I realize that the Diprivan shouldn't have been used in the first place, but since it was, I'm going with that.
First of all, true monitoring is more than someone looking in on you every hour or two. TRUE monitoring is continuous EKG rhythm, Blood pressure every 15 minutes, continuous O2 sat, Resp rate. Since diprivan wears off pretty quickly, once a person is noted to have a decreased resp rate or o2 sat, the drip should be turned off, oxygen turned up, and generally a person would start to come around. If they dont, they get intubated.

in hospital settings, diprivan is used as a drip only to people who are on a ventilator. So, here are my questions: Where was the freaking doctor??? What in heck was the guy doing? Sleeping on the job? Eating in the kitchen? Hanging out with the security guys? Watching tv? Had everyone gotten so complacent with MJ being on this carp that nobody was paying attention? Was MJ hooked up to monitors and the alarms turned off or alarm parameters set so wide they wouldn't go off? The volume turned down really low so you couldn't hear it? Clearly, while MJ shouldn't have been on this stuff in the first place, since he was, he was NOT BEING MONITORED PROPERLY. Period.
Other questions from me in this scenario: Why didn't the doctor have an intubation kit and ventilator on hand just in case things went awry? What about an AED? It's not like MJ couldn't afford to buy them. Even a halfa$$ed doctor would insist upon those being in the room! And the "doctor" didn't even know already to have MJ on the floor for CPR?? Come on guys, this is beyond ridiculous. Did anyone even open an airway or try mouth to mouth? All we hear on the 911 tape is that they are "pumping him." Nothing is said about the airway. It does no good to "pump" a person if you have no airway.
This is so ridiculous that MJ died because of a bunch of greedy people. Granted, if he hadn't, he'd still be using today, but at least he'd still have a chance. I hope they nail every one of these doctors to the wall. Right to the wall.

I so agree with you!

[oceanblueeyes]

It started as arty but he ended up overdosing on crotch-grabbing. Hehe. In the era of BAD and years later his crotch grab was almost like a nervous tick. I'm glad he started to phase that out.

I watched MJ in an interview talking about the crotch grabbing. He said it was just a spontaneous gesture when he was very wrapped up in the music and dance. He said afterward when he watched the videos is when he realized he had grabbed his crotch.

I know for years and years parents were highly upset with Elvis because he swiveled his hips. They thought it was done to be vulgar and dirty yet Elvis said that he did not do it on purpose and it was just a spontaneous reaction to the beat of the music when he sang and to overcome his nervousness which he always had before every show.

imo

[21merc7]

I always thought the crotch grabbing was MJ's way of playing air guitar, lol! (I am serious though.)

[oceanblueeyes]

I always thought the crotch grabbing was MJ's way of playing air guitar, lol! (I am serious though.)

Well I sure won't laugh. I too have thought that.


imo

[feddup]

I am not sure about the crotch grab but the rest of his dancing was great. I was watching a video, sorry cant remember which one but that spin he did was GREAT ad it is not easy to do.
Did anyone notice in Bashirs documentary that when they were watching an old movie of the jackson 5 performing, Michael had this look of disgust on his face? he didnt look happy watching it like it was bringing back bad memories or something. That really stood out for me.
I do hope they arrest whatever Dr gave michael the Diprivan, I dont care if he asked for it, its up to a Dr to say NO. this is getting to be like legal drug pushers, if he had bought that on the street, people would be arrested and sitting in jail for selling the stuff. :behindbar

[kato]

This part of the article, though, may be important ~ depending whether or not Propofol was in his system ~


" If the toxicology report indicates that Jackson's death was caused by propofol, the powerful anesthetic found in his home, prosecutors could bring charges against doctors or others involved in giving him the drug. Prosecutors have discussed a range of possible charges in that scenario "all the way up to involuntary manslaughter," the senior law enforcement official said.

But the sources agreed that the probe may end without criminal charges directly related to the death. Even if the coroner declares the case a homicide, authorities may not pursue charges, said one source familiar with the investigation".




That would suck if no charges were brought against anyone in this case.

[wandering]

Debbie Rowe sues woman over TV interview.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/debbie-rowe-sues-woman-over-tv-interview--61991712

Rowe filed a defamation and invasion-of-privacy lawsuit Thursday against Rebecca White of Florida. The suit seeks unspecified damages, but specifically targets any money that White may have been paid by TV show "Extra" for an interview that aired earlier this week.
The stories were based on White's description of e-mails she said she exchanged with Rowe after Jackson's death on June 25. Rowe, 50, denies she sent any recent e-mails to White.

[SuziQ]

Diprivan, the drug found in Michael Jackson's home, may be more tightly restricted

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-diprivan20-2009jul20,0,6498127.story


The widely used anesthetic can be dangerous, but supplies are not always closely monitored

There is also a graphic explaining Diprivan's effects

ETA: I can't believe this stuff is not controlled and given the same oversight as Tylenol.

Abusers inject themselves 80 times a day? Wow.

[Theonly1]

I just now discovered the MJ thread here. So if what I'm about to say has been said, forget it, but I have to speak up. This whole thing is SOOO sad. Hopefully this week we will hear the tox results and that people are going down for this!

Now--there is NO reason for anyone to die from being on Diprivan. NONE. NO REASON, that is IF THEY ARE PROPERLY MONITORED!! Now, I realize that the Diprivan shouldn't have been used in the first place, but since it was, I'm going with that.
First of all, true monitoring is more than someone looking in on you every hour or two. TRUE monitoring is continuous EKG rhythm, Blood pressure every 15 minutes, continuous O2 sat, Resp rate. Since diprivan wears off pretty quickly, once a person is noted to have a decreased resp rate or o2 sat, the drip should be turned off, oxygen turned up, and generally a person would start to come around. If they dont, they get intubated.

in hospital settings, diprivan is used as a drip only to people who are on a ventilator. So, here are my questions: Where was the freaking doctor??? What in heck was the guy doing? Sleeping on the job? Eating in the kitchen? Hanging out with the security guys? Watching tv? Had everyone gotten so complacent with MJ being on this carp that nobody was paying attention? Was MJ hooked up to monitors and the alarms turned off or alarm parameters set so wide they wouldn't go off? The volume turned down really low so you couldn't hear it? Clearly, while MJ shouldn't have been on this stuff in the first place, since he was, he was NOT BEING MONITORED PROPERLY. Period.
Other questions from me in this scenario: Why didn't the doctor have an intubation kit and ventilator on hand just in case things went awry? What about an AED? It's not like MJ couldn't afford to buy them. Even a halfa$$ed doctor would insist upon those being in the room! And the "doctor" didn't even know already to have MJ on the floor for CPR?? Come on guys, this is beyond ridiculous. Did anyone even open an airway or try mouth to mouth? All we hear on the 911 tape is that they are "pumping him." Nothing is said about the airway. It does no good to "pump" a person if you have no airway.
This is so ridiculous that MJ died because of a bunch of greedy people. Granted, if he hadn't, he'd still be using today, but at least he'd still have a chance. I hope they nail every one of these doctors to the wall. Right to the wall.


Agreed. And even though we've heard that the "bed was hard" I still think that he should have been given CPR on the FLOOR instead.

With the half-life of Diprivan being very, very short, can't it be out of his system in about 2 hours? If they dawdled in calling 911, and did not take his blood until he expired, then I wonder if the majority of the Diprivan had time to work its way out of his system.

[Theonly1]

Come on guys, this is beyond ridiculous. Did anyone even open an airway or try mouth to mouth? All we hear on the 911 tape is that they are "pumping him." Nothing is said about the airway. It does no good to "pump" a person if you have no airway.
.

Aren't some medical practitioners condoning the compressions without the breaths now that studies have shown bystanders are unlikely to do CPR due to not wanting to place their mouth on the victim's mouth?

We don't know that he did not have an airway or was not doing mouth-to-mouth, but as a DOCTOR I would assume he would have been doing both mouth-to-mouth and compressions.

[oceanblueeyes]

Agreed. And even though we've heard that the "bed was hard" I still think that he should have been given CPR on the FLOOR instead.

With the half-life of Diprivan being very, very short, can't it be out of his system in about 2 hours? If they dawdled in calling 911, and did not take his blood until he expired, then I wonder if the majority of the Diprivan had time to work its way out of his system.

I really don't know the answer but all the well known pathologists on tv have said if he was administered diprivan before his death that the Coroner would be able to detect it. Maybe remnants of it stays in the brain.

imo

[shana]

I really don't know the answer but all the well known pathologists on tv have said if he was administered diprivan before his death that the Coroner would be able to detect it. Maybe remnants of it stays in the brain.

imo

Yes, I heard the same, recently...possibly in the liver as well. (At first, the commentators were focusing on its half-life as if it could not be detected at all.)

[Bobbisangel]

That would suck if no charges were brought against anyone in this case.

The ex-cop who was talking in that article could have said all that needed to be said in one paragraph. The one above. This is also just his opinion based on other cases and listening to a few people talk.

I think we all know that this case isn't going to be completed within a few days. LE will investigate just like they do other cases...maybe even do a better job! I think if it becomes known that Michael died because of the drug that LE believe a doc gave him but didn't monitor....that doc will be charged with something. I don't see how the cornor can put homicide on the death cert and no charges be brought against someone. That would probably cause a riot!

[SuziQ]

La Toya Jackson -- It's Murder! (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/latoya-jackson-michael-jackson-murder/)
Posted Jul 20th 2009 1:45AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

Video at the link
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/latoya-jackson-michael-jackson-murder/

ETA: the video has either been pulled or is experiencing heavy traffic.

[azwriter]

Re: the nurse that he allegedly asked to supply him with Diprivan

Does anyone else find her to be credible? I do. While I could be wrong, her interviews seem to have the ring of truth to them.

I wonder who first supplied him with the "Milk of Amnesia". Did he receive it during a surgery and like its effect?

Theonly1, I think you're right on. MJ probably got a taste of the drug in one of his first surgeries for whatever. And, he loved the resuts. As for the nurse and her claims, count me in. I think she's quite credible and she sounds very knowledgible about the effects of that particular drug. She admits at first she never heard of it. And she researched it before blindly seeking to get it for him. I do wonder why though she'd come forward with any information about her treatment of a patient.

[Brwnigirl]

Apologize if this has been posted but I didn't see this before. Here's Donny Osmond in Las Vegas, talking about his "kinship" with Michael Jackson. Sad.:frown:

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2311780_Donny_Osmond_Reminisces_about_Michael_Jack son

[Theonly1]

Theonly1, I think you're right on. MJ probably got a taste of the drug in one of his first surgeries for whatever. And, he loved the resuts. As for the nurse and her claims, count me in. I think she's quite credible and she sounds very knowledgible about the effects of that particular drug. She admits at first she never heard of it. And she researched it before blindly seeking to get it for him. I do wonder why though she'd come forward with any information about her treatment of a patient.

I saw an interview with someone who had Diprivan administered (many of us may have had it and simply not known it) during surgery and reportedly had some wonderful (and sexual) dreams. Isn't it reported to have no "hangover" effects?

[Theonly1]

La Toya Jackson -- It's Murder! (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/latoya-jackson-michael-jackson-murder/)
Posted Jul 20th 2009 1:45AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

Video at the link
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/20/latoya-jackson-michael-jackson-murder/

ETA: the video has either been pulled or is experiencing heavy traffic.

I don't find LaToya to be credible. Remember years ago when she was married to that weird guy and she spouted a whole lot of extremely negative stuff about all of the Jacksons and then she turned around and claimed that the guy forced her to say it? Uh right. She always strikes me as being hysterical or on the border of hysteria.

[oceanblueeyes]

I saw an interview with someone who had Diprivan administered (many of us may have had it and simply not known it) during surgery and reportedly had some wonderful (and sexual) dreams. Isn't it reported to have no "hangover" effects?

When I was put under all I felt is an overwhelming sense of peace knowing I was quickly going to sleep. I had no thoughts whatsoever that I am aware of when I was under. I just went into a very peaceful rest and when I woke up I did not feel drugged but very refreshed.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Diprivan, the drug found in Michael Jackson's home, may be more tightly restricted

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-diprivan20-2009jul20,0,6498127.story


The widely used anesthetic can be dangerous, but supplies are not always closely monitored

There is also a graphic explaining Diprivan's effects

ETA: I can't believe this stuff is not controlled and given the same oversight as Tylenol.

Abusers inject themselves 80 times a day? Wow.


I would suspect the ones who are abusing this drug more often than any other group are most likely anesthesiologists and other medical staff, who are injecting themselves.

imo

[azwriter]

I just now discovered the MJ thread here. So if what I'm about to say has been said, forget it, but I have to speak up. This whole thing is SOOO sad. Hopefully this week we will hear the tox results and that people are going down for this!

Now--there is NO reason for anyone to die from being on Diprivan. NONE. NO REASON, that is IF THEY ARE PROPERLY MONITORED!! Now, I realize that the Diprivan shouldn't have been used in the first place, but since it was, I'm going with that.
First of all, true monitoring is more than someone looking in on you every hour or two. TRUE monitoring is continuous EKG rhythm, Blood pressure every 15 minutes, continuous O2 sat, Resp rate. Since diprivan wears off pretty quickly, once a person is noted to have a decreased resp rate or o2 sat, the drip should be turned off, oxygen turned up, and generally a person would start to come around. If they dont, they get intubated.

in hospital settings, diprivan is used as a drip only to people who are on a ventilator. So, here are my questions: Where was the freaking doctor??? What in heck was the guy doing? Sleeping on the job? Eating in the kitchen? Hanging out with the security guys? Watching tv? Had everyone gotten so complacent with MJ being on this carp that nobody was paying attention? Was MJ hooked up to monitors and the alarms turned off or alarm parameters set so wide they wouldn't go off? The volume turned down really low so you couldn't hear it? Clearly, while MJ shouldn't have been on this stuff in the first place, since he was, he was NOT BEING MONITORED PROPERLY. Period.
Other questions from me in this scenario: Why didn't the doctor have an intubation kit and ventilator on hand just in case things went awry? What about an AED? It's not like MJ couldn't afford to buy them. Even a halfa$$ed doctor would insist upon those being in the room! And the "doctor" didn't even know already to have MJ on the floor for CPR?? Come on guys, this is beyond ridiculous. Did anyone even open an airway or try mouth to mouth? All we hear on the 911 tape is that they are "pumping him." Nothing is said about the airway. It does no good to "pump" a person if you have no airway.
This is so ridiculous that MJ died because of a bunch of greedy people. Granted, if he hadn't, he'd still be using today, but at least he'd still have a chance. I hope they nail every one of these doctors to the wall. Right to the wall.

Great post! Right on point to this needless death.
Besides greedy people, I would also assume many of the doctors in MJ's employment were ones who couldn't make it in their own practices. They found it was easier to make money breaking the drug laws and treating rich celebrity patients and keeping their mouth shut about the obvious violations of the oath they took to practice medicine.

[wallflower67]

Apologize if this has been posted but I didn't see this before. Here's Donny Osmond in Las Vegas, talking about his "kinship" with Michael Jackson. Sad.:frown:

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2311780_Donny_Osmond_Reminisces_about_Michael_Jack son

That is really sad.

[wallflower67]

I saw an interview with someone who had Diprivan administered (many of us may have had it and simply not known it) during surgery and reportedly had some wonderful (and sexual) dreams. Isn't it reported to have no "hangover" effects?

I've had Diprivan a number of times. It burns like heck going in your veins, but you go out really fast. I never had any dreams at all, but I did wake up refreshed. No anesthesia hangover at all. In fact, once I had stayed up late before surgery, planning on sleeping the whole next day, and then couldn't!

[feddup]

I don't find LaToya to be credible. Remember years ago when she was married to that weird guy and she spouted a whole lot of extremely negative stuff about all of the Jacksons and then she turned around and claimed that the guy forced her to say it? Uh right. She always strikes me as being hysterical or on the border of hysteria.


wow did she say some weird things when she was with him. At the time she was also pushing some kind of excercise video, I believe it was on the old Geraldo show.
Considering how many brothers she had, I wouldnt think it wouldve been that hard to get away from her husband....in facteven she says that when she called Randy (?) he came right to NY and got her.

[whiteangora]

FYI, for anyone interested, Joe Jackson will be on Larry King Live tonight for what they're calling a live exclusive interview.

[Bobbisangel]

FYI, for anyone interested, Joe Jackson will be on Larry King Live tonight for what they're calling a live exclusive interview.

Old Joe never gives up does he! I wish Larry had the gutts to ask Joe some hard questions but he doesn't. He'll just pussyfoot around.

[wandering]

Old Joe never gives up does he! I wish Larry had the gutts to ask Joe some hard questions but he doesn't. He'll just pussyfoot around.

Ornery old cuss, isn't he?

[wandering]

Larry is not getting anything out of him, lol...

[whiteangora]

Larry is not getting anything out of him, lol...

Nope, and he's singing a different tune tonight about putting the 3 kids in show biz.

[travelgal]

I sometimes wonder about Joe's command of the English Language - does he play dumb? Or does he not understand what LK is asking him? He is probably sly like a fox. He has also no doubt been warned about what to talk about.

[whiteangora]

I sometimes wonder about Joe's command of the English Language - does he play dumb? Or does he not understand what LK is asking him? He is probably sly like a fox. He has also no doubt been warned about what to talk about.

Do you believe what he says about not knowing where the body is?
And, he's trying to make it sound like he's not living at the Jackson house, but rather running back and forth from Las Vegas. He's acting pretty cocky tonight.

[travelgal]

OMG! I think I'm watching 2 clones of my father-in-law in this interview. Three old men don't equal an intelligent interview. :doh:

[travelgal]

Do you believe what he says about not knowing where the body is?
And, he's trying to make it sound like he's not living at the Jackson house, but rather running back and forth from Las Vegas. He's acting pretty cocky tonight.

I don't believe anything Joe is saying. He is hoping to recover from all the blunders he has made recently. This interview is supposed to clean up his image?? Ain't working for me!!

[travelgal]

I feel sorry for Larry King tonight!!

[wandering]

I sometimes wonder about Joe's command of the English Language - does he play dumb? Or does he not understand what LK is asking him? He is probably sly like a fox. He has also no doubt been warned about what to talk about.

You'd think he would have a better command of language, with all the movers and shakers he's dealt with through the years.

Wow, he's getting angry.

[travelgal]

OH BOY, get a shovel.....Joe is dishing out the bull now. He never laid a hand on Michael. Right!! I wonder if he will blame Katherine like he did in ABC interview??

[travelgal]

I can't believe these guys! Are they hoping to get some money out of Michael's business deal with AEG? They are working some kind of angle here if you ask me and it's $$$$!

[Vegas Bride]

Looks to me Joe is wanting to buy some more gold to wear and is planning to use Michael to do it.
Maybe Joe should learn to sing and dance himself, then he can put himself on the road!

VB

[wandering]

Iris Finsilver? Debbie's BF?

[wandering]

Looks to me Joe is wanting to buy some more gold to wear and is planning to use Michael to do it.
Maybe Joe should learn to sing and dance himself, then he can put himself on the road!

VB
Joe was in a band before those boys ever thought about music.

[travelgal]

Joe was in a band before those boys ever thought about music.

You are right! I had forgotten that he was in a group trying to make it. In the American Dream movie it was Tito that was using Joe's guitar to play their music while Joe was at work. He got a big lickin' for breaking some strings on the guitar, too!

[panthera]

I don't believe anything Joe is saying. He is hoping to recover from all the blunders he has made recently. This interview is supposed to clean up his image?? Ain't working for me!!
I also watched it and can't get over his denial of beating MJ. So he's saying his son lied? That's pretty disrespectful, imo.

[panthera]

Iris Finsilver? Debbie's BF?
Yes, and she's 100% sure MJ is the biological father of Paris & Prince. :)

[DairyGirl]

I also watched it and can't get over his denial of beating MJ. So he's saying his son lied? That's pretty disrespectful, imo.

I am the same age as Michael and when I was younger beating a child was pretty accepted as a punishment. To this day my mother denies ever beating me, even though there were a lot of witnesses. She just doesn't equate the "spankings" she gave me as beatings. I think she justified it because she thought she never left any marks.

[travelgal]

If any of you are watching Anderson Cooper - they are right on top of the statements those old guys made on Larry's Show. They will have a report from AEG later in the show tonight. Joe & his cohort made allegations against AEG's management of Michael and the CNN reporters are contacting everyone they mentioned for response. Could be interesting?

[amysmom]

I take MJ's word over Joe Jackson with no hesitation & I still would even if MJ was high as a kite (not saying he was!) every time he made those statements about his 'father'..It's so obvious to me that Joe Jackson's nothing but a low-down SNAKE! Every time he opens his mouth & I look at his puss I believe this is true even more!

[panthera]

If any of you are watching Anderson Cooper - they are right on top of the statements those old guys made on Larry's Show. They will have a report from AEG later in the show tonight. Joe & his cohort made allegations against AEG's management of Michael and the CNN reporters are contacting everyone they mentioned for response. Could be interesting?
Thanks so much ~ I wasn't watching it this hour but I believe the same is repeated in the next hour. I'll definitely stay up for it. :)

[wandering]

Yes, and she's 100% sure MJ is the biological father of Paris & Prince. :)

Apparently Joe is too; he said Paris has the Jackson genes...

[wandering]

I am the same age as Michael and when I was younger beating a child was pretty accepted as a punishment. To this day my mother denies ever beating me, even though there were a lot of witnesses. She just doesn't equate the "spankings" she gave me as beatings. I think she justified it because she thought she never left any marks.

Yep. My childhood was much like that, and the Jackson boys went through the same things my bros did, including moving that pile of cement blocks!

[panthera]

Apparently Joe is too; he said Paris has the Jackson genes...
I hope they're both right. I can't stand the thought of Dr. K being involved in the kids' lives. MOO

[amysmom]

Or does he not understand what LK is asking him?.

snipped by me

LK doesn't even understand what he's asking :doh:

I don't know what his problem is but all his interviews the past few years make me want to pull my hair out! :banghead:

Isn't he supposed to retire?..It should be soon cos besides driving me nuts he never fails to look like a fool at some point during every show.

[shgrbkr]

Aren't some medical practitioners condoning the compressions without the breaths now that studies have shown bystanders are unlikely to do CPR due to not wanting to place their mouth on the victim's mouth?

We don't know that he did not have an airway or was not doing mouth-to-mouth, but as a DOCTOR I would assume he would have been doing both mouth-to-mouth and compressions.


True enough, I did think about the fact that we really don't know for sure about an airway or not, but in the context of the scenario as we DO know it, I would not be surprised if an airway was not secured. My point was that in this particular situation, there was no need for an airway to not be secured. Dr. Murray was "at work," and if he was worth 2 cents he would have had an intubation kit with an ambu bag and oxygen at the least. Since it seems there was no other way to ventilate MJ, if there was nobody willing to give MJ mouth to mouth, then the doctor should have been doing it. This was not a stranger who collapsed on the street. This was their employer, a person they all knew. The real point of my original post was that on Diprivan, a person is to be continuously monitored. Clearly, MJ was not being monitored by anyone or this wouldn't have happened. I think it possible that had they been doing CPR correctly, he could very well have been saved. MOO, though, of course.

I just want to know where everyone was at and what in the heck they were all doing while MJ was dying.

And yes, Diprivan wears off quickly, has a short half-life, but with it being a lipid based compound, I believe they will be able to find it in the liver. I'm the farthest thing from a toxicologist, but it makes sense to me. I don't think in his dying stages that all of the diprivan would have been metabolized.

Regarding the "fresh needle marks" on his neck--we don't know what these could be from. Attempts by the doc to start an IV access for the night? Perhaps. I do not believe that MJ was shooting himself up in the neck though. That's what he paid the good doctor to do.

[wandering]

snipped by me

LK doesn't even understand what he's asking :doh:

I don't know what his problem is but all his interviews the past few years make me want to pull my hair out! :banghead:

Isn't he supposed to retire?..It should be soon cos besides driving me nuts he never fails to look like a fool at some point during every show.

I think he's a great interviewer, but then I studied journalism. He's particularly good drawing out people unaccustomed to and uncomfortable with TV.

[amysmom]

I think he's a great interviewer, but then I studied journalism. He's particularly good drawing out people unaccustomed to and uncomfortable with TV.

My problem with him (now) is he's often not properly informed re: the subject (that wasn't an issue tonight) & also comes off very confused at times when asking q's or after getting a response..OTH! I do agree with what you said re: the way he treats his guests.

[wandering]

Sony bids $50 million for Jackson rehearsal film.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_en_mo/us_michael_jackson_film

LOS ANGELES – Sony Corp.'s movie studio has bid $50 million to acquire the worldwide distribution rights to a film based on rehearsal footage for Michael Jackson's "This Is It" comeback concert series, according to a person familiar with the bid.
The person said Monday that the bid came after several studios, including Paramount, Universal and 20th Century Fox, were shown footage starting early last week. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the bidding had not been completed. None of the studios would comment on the record.

[shgrbkr]

The one thing I've noticed about LK is that he often doesn't follow up on answers with more in depth questioning--sort of like he has a litany of things he wants to ask and sticks right to the script pretty much. Like he's not always really listening to the answer he gets. He also interrupts too much. Not nearly as bad as Chris Matthews, but along those lines.

[Kateyes]

True enough, I did think about the fact that we really don't know for sure about an airway or not, but in the context of the scenario as we DO know it, I would not be surprised if an airway was not secured. My point was that in this particular situation, there was no need for an airway to not be secured. Dr. Murray was "at work," and if he was worth 2 cents he would have had an intubation kit with an ambu bag and oxygen at the least. Since it seems there was no other way to ventilate MJ, if there was nobody willing to give MJ mouth to mouth, then the doctor should have been doing it. This was not a stranger who collapsed on the street. This was their employer, a person they all knew. The real point of my original post was that on Diprivan, a person is to be continuously monitored. Clearly, MJ was not being monitored by anyone or this wouldn't have happened. I think it possible that had they been doing CPR correctly, he could very well have been saved. MOO, though, of course.

I just want to know where everyone was at and what in the heck they were all doing while MJ was dying.

And yes, Diprivan wears off quickly, has a short half-life, but with it being a lipid based compound, I believe they will be able to find it in the liver. I'm the farthest thing from a toxicologist, but it makes sense to me. I don't think in his dying stages that all of the diprivan would have been metabolized.

Regarding the "fresh needle marks" on his neck--we don't know what these could be from. Attempts by the doc to start an IV access for the night? Perhaps. I do not believe that MJ was shooting himself up in the neck though. That's what he paid the good doctor to do.

shgrbkr - I have said the exact things in a previous thread about MJ. I am an RN - sounds like you are too. I had previously posted that even tho diprivan should never be given at home to induce sleep, that since Dr.M agreed to be his doctor he was responsible for monitoring himin the same manner a patient should be monitored in the hospital setting. With an EKG and respiratory monitor, and all ACLS meds and equipement available should the need for resuscitation arise. And I also thought that it seemed to me that Dr.M must have started the diprivan and then went to bed himself. I personally believe that Michael was found around ten-thirty, as one station had said (cannot remember which one) and that report was not mentioned again. This MD was highly negligent - first for agreeing to this situation in the first place- and then for going ahead and giving diprivan without all of the medically necessary ACLS monitors, drugs for resuscitation,including defribrillator. It astounds me that an MD would not have known to intubate, and I agree that Mj probably did not have an airway established until paramedics arrived. IMHO, MJ was gone not only when paramedics arrived, but moreover when Dr.M first found him.

In regard to the needle marks on his neck - I had to wonder if Dr. M didn't try,unsuccessfully, to start a line in the neck after he couldn't get one in a peripheral vein, but that is just a guess. Considering the things he did and didn't do it is possible that Dr.M didn't even try to start a line. MJ trusted him, and outside of the fact that Dr.M should not have been giving diprivan to MJ at all,he violated the trust MJ placed in him by not providing him with the level of care (ACLS equip, meds,etc) that his education and background should have told him was necessary. Dr.M attempted to cover his azz the best he could. Sadly his negligence shows through so clearly. IMHO Dr. M should be lose his license. Tragically,MJ lost his life.

[Kateyes]

The one thing I've noticed about LK is that he often doesn't follow up on answers with more in depth questioning--sort of like he has a litany of things he wants to ask and sticks right to the script pretty much. Like he's not always really listening to the answer he gets. He also interrupts too much. Not nearly as bad as Chris Matthews, but along those lines.

When LK was younger it seemed like he didn't care whether he insulted his guest or not. In the past year it seems to me that LK acts like an older man with some dementia. I could be wrong, but sometimes he seems to go off on tangents, or not understand the answer, etc. He is in his seventies -time to retire and let someone else take over. JMHO

[shgrbkr]

shgrbkr - I have said the exact things in a previous thread about MJ. I am an RN - sounds like you are too. I had previously posted that even tho diprivan should never be given at home to induce sleep, that since Dr.M agreed to be his doctor he was responsible for monitoring himin the same manner a patient should be monitored in the hospital setting. With an EKG and respiratory monitor, and all ACLS meds and equipement available should the need for resuscitation arise. And I also thought that it seemed to me that Dr.M must have started the diprivan and then went to bed himself. I personally believe that Michael was found around ten-thirty, as one station had said (cannot remember which one) and that report was not mentioned again. This MD was highly negligent - first for agreeing to this situation in the first place- and then for going ahead and giving diprivan without all of the medically necessary ACLS monitors, drugs for resuscitation,including defribrillator. It astounds me that an MD would not have known to intubate, and I agree that Mj probably did not have an airway established until paramedics arrived. IMHO, MJ was gone not only when paramedics arrived, but moreover when Dr.M first found him.

In regard to the needle marks on his neck - I had to wonder if Dr. M didn't try,unsuccessfully, to start a line in the neck after he couldn't get one in a peripheral vein, but that is just a guess. Considering the things he did and didn't do it is possible that Dr.M didn't even try to start a line. MJ trusted him, and outside of the fact that Dr.M should not have been giving diprivan to MJ at all,he violated the trust MJ placed in him by not providing him with the level of care (ACLS equip, meds,etc) that his education and background should have told him was necessary. Dr.M attempted to cover his azz the best he could. Sadly his negligence shows through so clearly. IMHO Dr. M should be lose his license. Tragically,MJ lost his life.

Ah Kate, we are on exactly the same page. I wrote to Prime News and the JVM shows pointing out these very same things but the valid points we bring up were not mentioned. You put it into context way better than I was able to. They keep talking about Diprivan not being a controlled substance, blahblahblah, but the bottom line is way past that scenario. The fact remains that MJ was getting diprivan regularly and the doctor was responsible, so if he's gonna do it in a home setting, then do it right. It was far from right though.
Remember the nurse who balked at MJ request for diprivan and how she recalled that he told her if he was monitored it would be safe? He was completely under the impression that he was being properly monitored while he was out....how would he know otherwise? He was waking up every day wasn't he? And the security personnel wouldn't know sh!t from apple butter when it came to all the medical stuff going on, so good Doctor Murray was able to start this drip and go off to sleep himself, (or whatever he was doing.) I'm appalled at this "physician's" obvious lack of knowledge about doing such basic things as CPR. I completely believe that the other marks on the neck were from unsuccessful IV attempts. If I didn't say that before, I meant to.
I no longer work as an RN, but I've had people on diprivan drips in ICU countless times. MJ dying on this stuff was, as I've said before, completely unnecessary. IIRC, 2nd degree murder is an unintentional murder with something along the lines of depraved indifference to human life, and to put someone on diprivan and then ignore them when you are a doctor, is being totally indifferent. The fact that the guy is a physician makes it murder rather than manslaughter, because he knew the kind of monitoring that was required but chose not to provide it.

[oceanblueeyes]

When LK was younger it seemed like he didn't care whether he insulted his guest or not. In the past year it seems to me that LK acts like an older man with some dementia. I could be wrong, but sometimes he seems to go off on tangents, or not understand the answer, etc. He is in his seventies -time to retire and let someone else take over. JMHO

As long as his show stays were it has been in the ratings for CNN, Larry will be going no where, imo.

CNN knows that Larry has many high powered connections and if it is his show he has the ability to get the most sought after people there for an interview.

I don't see Larry as having dementia. He does seem to have a softer side than he did a few years back and it seems the guests are very comfortable with Larry.

imo

[SuziQ]

Jackson Family War Over Michael's Will (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/michael-jackson-will-joe-jackson-randy-katherine-will-contest-beeficiaries/)
Posted Jul 21st 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/michael-jackson-will-joe-jackson-randy-katherine-will-contest-beeficiaries/

(snip)
Ultimately, we're told, Joe Jackson has asserted his influence over Katherine to hire McMillan. We're told Katherine is really being manipulated and doesn't even have real objections to Branca and McMillan.

[SuziQ]

The investigative team heading the probe into Michael Jackson’s death conducted interviews with physicians and personnel at medical facilities in Las Vegas on Monday, a law enforcement source close to the investigation told FOXNews.com.

More at link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534217,00.html

[SuziQ]

Residents oppose turning Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch into a tourist attraction (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/residents-oppose-turning-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-into-tourist-attraction.html)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/residents-oppose-turning-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-into-tourist-attraction.html

[kato]

Jackson Family War Over Michael's Will (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/michael-jackson-will-joe-jackson-randy-katherine-will-contest-beeficiaries/)
Posted Jul 21st 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/michael-jackson-will-joe-jackson-randy-katherine-will-contest-beeficiaries/

(snip)
Ultimately, we're told, Joe Jackson has asserted his influence over Katherine to hire McMillan. We're told Katherine is really being manipulated and doesn't even have real objections to Branca and McMillan.

Those are/were my thoughts also. Because I don't see KJ as doing that. He's pulling her strings like a marionette. Rat *astard!

[kato]

Residents oppose turning Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch into a tourist attraction (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/residents-oppose-turning-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-into-tourist-attraction.html)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/residents-oppose-turning-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-into-tourist-attraction.html

Good. I don't want ANY of the Jackson's to profit off of MJ's legacy except his kids of course. We all know no one in the family has money except for Janet. All the bros are leeches IMO. I don't know about Rebbie's financial situation.

[Theonly1]

snipped by me

LK doesn't even understand what he's asking :doh:

I don't know what his problem is but all his interviews the past few years make me want to pull my hair out! :banghead:

Isn't he supposed to retire?..It should be soon cos besides driving me nuts he never fails to look like a fool at some point during every show.

I'm sure Larry K. had his days in the sun but it is time (and has been time) to put him out to pasture.

[shana]

Jackson Family War Over Michael's Will (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/michael-jackson-will-joe-jackson-randy-katherine-will-contest-beeficiaries/)
Posted Jul 21st 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/michael-jackson-will-joe-jackson-randy-katherine-will-contest-beeficiaries/

(snip)
Ultimately, we're told, Joe Jackson has asserted his influence over Katherine to hire McMillan. We're told Katherine is really being manipulated and doesn't even have real objections to Branca and McMillan.

What I gleaned from LKL last night as well.

btw, I think tmz made a mistake...should read: doesn't have any real objections to Branca and McClain.

[amysmom]

When LK was younger it seemed like he didn't care whether he insulted his guest or not. In the past year it seems to me that LK acts like an older man with some dementia. I could be wrong, but sometimes he seems to go off on tangents, or not understand the answer, etc. He is in his seventies -time to retire and let someone else take over. JMHO

underlined by me

Exactly! Sometimes his 'confusion' is off the charts..An example from last night's interview with JJ & Rowe.....

Rowe asked if it was a good idea for a "cocaine dealer" to live with a "cocaine addict" referring to Dr. M supplying drugs to an addicted MJ..LK's reply was "are you saying Dr. M deals cocaine"?..Whaaaat! lol Rowe looked as stunned as me & said "NOOOOOOOO! Larry!!!!". :bang:

[amysmom]

shgrbkr - This MD was highly negligent - first for agreeing to this situation in the first place- and then for going ahead and giving diprivan without all of the medically necessary ACLS monitors, drugs for resuscitation,including defribrillator. It astounds me that an MD would not have known to intubate, and I agree that Mj probably did not have an airway established until paramedics arrived.

snipped

As far as we know the only medical items found were an IV pole, a bag with a bit of liquid, and some oxygen tanks..That points to none of the necessary medical emergency equipment being there at all..Eveything about this scenario astounds me & Murray has no biz even being called a "Dr"!

[shana]

underlined by me

Exactly! Sometimes his 'confusion' is off the charts..An example from last night's interview with JJ & Rowe.....

Rowe asked if it was a good idea for a "cocaine dealer" to live with a "cocaine addict" referring to Dr. M supplying drugs to an addicted MJ..LK's reply was "are you saying Dr. M deals cocaine"?..Whaaaat! lol Rowe looked as stunned as me & said "NOOOOOOOO! Larry!!!!". :bang:

Similarly, he mistook Finsilver's words when she was explaining why Debbie Rowe no longer has photos of her children on display but instead keeps these pix in a closet. Larry thought Finsilver said "see" when she instead said "steal" in the following paraphrased line: "Debbie said people would steal them."

I think Larry may have a hearing problem.

btw, as far back as 1997-8, some of us JonBenet case followers felt that Larry did not prepare properly and therefore did not ask the 'right' questions.

[minazoe]

you know, watching Joe and Larry ( I have met Larry and he has it on the ball, is a prankster and loves women) but watching Joe and Larry I feel like Larry was really trying his best to trick Joe into saying something scandalous and almost suceeded a couple of times.

The Jacksons always reminded me of alot of dysfunctional families from that era. I think Joe put the fear of god into them and taught them to only speak candidly to other family members. I believe they were all trained to deny diffuse and manipulate, and I believe it was Joe who taught them all to tell ridiculous bold faced lies to the public and others. I think this is the Jackson family dynamic that is so often confused with unity. I think the only way they survived the many scandals has been throught he repitition of Joe's talking points.

I love the way he uses semantics ( beating is what they did to slaves) and slavery together to pull in pull in those who would say a whuppin isn't a beating, to gain the support of other blacks.

I have often wondered if Joe sexually abused those children. They all seem so deeply damaged and imprisoned by this patriarchy.

Joe is old school, I wouldn't be suprised if he kept other women , had other children etc...

[eve]

you know, watching Joe and Larry ( I have met Larry and he has it on the ball, is a prankster and loves women) but watching Joe and Larry I feel like Larry was really trying his best to trick Joe into saying something scandalous and almost suceeded a couple of times.

The Jacksons always reminded me of alot of dysfunctional families from that era. I think Joe put the fear of god into them and taught them to only speak candidly to other family members. I believe they were all trained to deny diffuse and manipulate, and I believe it was Joe who taught them all to tell ridiculous bold faced lies to the public and others. I think this is the Jackson family dynamic that is so often confused with unity. I think the only way they survived the many scandals has been throught he repitition of Joe's talking points.

I love the way he uses semantics ( beating is what they did to slaves) and slavery together to pull in pull in those who would say a whuppin isn't a beating, to gain the support of other blacks.

I have often wondered if Joe sexually abused those children. They all seem so deeply damaged and imprisoned by this patriarchy.

Joe is old school, I wouldn't be suprised if he kept other women , had other children etc...

I think he is known to have had other women and at least one child outside the marriage - who lives in Las Vegas (?). He's a snake. Can't stand him.

Eve

[SuziQ]

A good article regarding prescription pain meds.

Using dentists as dope dealers

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/21/dental.doping/index.html

Story Highlights
Kenny Morrison learned he could get pain pills from dentists without seeing them
He was taking as many as 25 pain pills a day, but has since gone clean
DEA says 7 million Americans are hooked on pain pills, a trend that's skyrocketing
Dentist says, "Just writing a prescription for the pain is not the answer"

[amysmom]

Similarly, he mistook Finsilver's words when she was explaining why Debbie Rowe no longer has photos of her children on display but instead keeps these pix in a closet. Larry thought Finsilver said "see" when she instead said "steal" in the following paraphrased line: "Debbie said people would steal them."

I think Larry may have a hearing problem.

btw, as far back as 1997-8, some of us JonBenet case followers felt that Larry did not prepare properly and therefore did not ask the 'right' questions.

Oh yeah! IIRC it took Finsilver 2x to explain what she had said & what she meant by it..It's either a hearing issue, he's simply not paying enough attention, or it's that major mental confusion I spoke about in other posts.

I didn't realize this 'problem' goes that far back (wow!) but it's been extremely frustrating all the xs he's done 'Caylee Anthony' & now MJ for all the reasons you described above.

[amysmom]

I think he is known to have had other women and at least one child outside the marriage - who lives in Las Vegas (?). He's a snake. Can't stand him.

Eve

It's been reported this other 'daughter' lives with him in Vegas..Can't say for sure that's a fact but she definitely does exist.."Snake" fits him like a glove (no pun)!

[whiteangora]

When LK was younger it seemed like he didn't care whether he insulted his guest or not. In the past year it seems to me that LK acts like an older man with some dementia. I could be wrong, but sometimes he seems to go off on tangents, or not understand the answer, etc. He is in his seventies -time to retire and let someone else take over. JMHO

I agree, he has lost his edge and watching him is like watching an interview being done by a bran muffin.
After the way he acted with the 2 interviews he did with Cindy and George Anthony, I am truly amazed he is still working. He had dozens of opportunities to ask followup questions but he just sat there stupefied.

[amysmom]

I believe they were all trained to deny diffuse and manipulate, and I believe it was Joe who taught them all to tell ridiculous bold faced lies to the public and others. I think this is the Jackson family dynamic that is so often confused with unity. I think the only way they survived the many scandals has been throught he repitition of Joe's talking points.

snipped

MJ & Latoya (any others?) have spoken out to help shatter the illusion..I can only imagine JJ's TRUE reaction vs his public one filled with all his LIES!

[minazoe]

Larry does the best interveiw on television.. hands down...even when he just lobs softballs he gets stuff no one else can. I will be sad when he is gone.

[SuziQ]

Jamie Lee Curtis Speaks About Her Drug Addiction And Michael Jackson (http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-21-jamie-lee-curtis-speaks-about-her-drug-addiction-and-michael-jackson)

http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-21-jamie-lee-curtis-speaks-about-her-drug-addiction-and-michael-jackson

[amysmom]

I agree, he has lost his edge and watching him is like watching an interview being done by a bran muffin.
After the way he acted with the 2 interviews he did with Cindy and George Anthony, I am truly amazed he is still working. He had dozens of opportunities to ask followup questions but he just sat there stupefied.

He did give the impression he believed the A's side of the story :eek:

They had to be amazed at how easy it was to FOOL him! :rolleyes:

[mistivon]

YES, YES, YES...this is what some of us have been saying all along. There is NO REASON MJ should have died, and the person responsible needs to be held on murder charges.
Sorry, I have a real thing about MJ trusting this quack to watch him and take care of him, then dying...how friggin sad is that?

I just now discovered the MJ thread here. So if what I'm about to say has been said, forget it, but I have to speak up. This whole thing is SOOO sad. Hopefully this week we will hear the tox results and that people are going down for this!

Now--there is NO reason for anyone to die from being on Diprivan. NONE. NO REASON, that is IF THEY ARE PROPERLY MONITORED!! Now, I realize that the Diprivan shouldn't have been used in the first place, but since it was, I'm going with that.
First of all, true monitoring is more than someone looking in on you every hour or two. TRUE monitoring is continuous EKG rhythm, Blood pressure every 15 minutes, continuous O2 sat, Resp rate. Since diprivan wears off pretty quickly, once a person is noted to have a decreased resp rate or o2 sat, the drip should be turned off, oxygen turned up, and generally a person would start to come around. If they dont, they get intubated.

in hospital settings, diprivan is used as a drip only to people who are on a ventilator. So, here are my questions: Where was the freaking doctor??? What in heck was the guy doing? Sleeping on the job? Eating in the kitchen? Hanging out with the security guys? Watching tv? Had everyone gotten so complacent with MJ being on this carp that nobody was paying attention? Was MJ hooked up to monitors and the alarms turned off or alarm parameters set so wide they wouldn't go off? The volume turned down really low so you couldn't hear it? Clearly, while MJ shouldn't have been on this stuff in the first place, since he was, he was NOT BEING MONITORED PROPERLY. Period.
Other questions from me in this scenario: Why didn't the doctor have an intubation kit and ventilator on hand just in case things went awry? What about an AED? It's not like MJ couldn't afford to buy them. Even a halfa$$ed doctor would insist upon those being in the room! And the "doctor" didn't even know already to have MJ on the floor for CPR?? Come on guys, this is beyond ridiculous. Did anyone even open an airway or try mouth to mouth? All we hear on the 911 tape is that they are "pumping him." Nothing is said about the airway. It does no good to "pump" a person if you have no airway.
This is so ridiculous that MJ died because of a bunch of greedy people. Granted, if he hadn't, he'd still be using today, but at least he'd still have a chance. I hope they nail every one of these doctors to the wall. Right to the wall.

[mck16]

YES, YES, YES...this is what some of us have been saying all along. There is NO REASON MJ should have died, and the person responsible needs to be held on murder charges.
Sorry, I have a real thing about MJ trusting this quack to watch him and take care of him, then dying...how friggin sad is that?

I thought MJ died after having been rehearsing. I also thougth his youngest son was with him watching him rehearse. Has this scenario changed? I don't believe he died while being administered the anesthetic drip did he? TIA

[wallflower67]

I thought MJ died after having been rehearsing. I also thougth his youngest son was with him watching him rehearse. Has this scenario changed? I don't believe he died while being administered the anesthetic drip did he? TIA

MJ died the day after having rehearsed until after midnight. He reportedly died around 2pm, but it seems he was likely dead before he even made it to the hospital.

No one can prove (yet) he died while diprovan was being infused, but since MJ was trying to obtain the drug, and it's been reported that incriminating evidence, including possibly Diprivan, has been found in the house and in Dr. M's car, it sure looks that way.

The autopsy results should tell, and the police likely have a good idea.

MJ's OLDEST son was reportedly watching the paramedics and Dr. M try to resusitate MJ. I don't know if any of them were with him when he was rehearsing the previous night.

[JBean]

Big breaking news. LA city council met behind closed doors today regarding possible CRIMINAL charges regarding the MEMORIAL. Sorry if posted already I can't read on my phone very well. This is from left field and completly unexpected.

[LaLaw2000]

Big breaking news. LA city council met behind closed doors today regarding possible CRIMINAL charges regarding the MEMORIAL. Sorry if posted already I can't read on my phone very well. This is from left field and completly unexpected.

Criminal charges regarding the Memorial? Wonder what that is all about? Thanks, JBean!

[JBean]

Criminal charges regarding the Memorial? Wonder what that is all about? Thanks, JBean!
There has been an ongoing investigation regarding funding the memorial the use of city resources. Civil issues were expected to be raised but no one expected anything criminal. They will not reveal anything for 60 days and they said this was an unexpected turn of events. Lots of speculation but no one has a clue at this point as everyone is caught completely off guard.

[LaLaw2000]

I am going to be surprised and very disappointed if there are no criminal charges in MJ's death. I certainly agree with all of you that he did not have to die and should not have. Who dies with a $300,000 a month doctor in the house if that doctor is on the up and up?

I watched Joe Jackson and friend on Larry King last night and was sickened. Well, I get sickened every time I see Joe Jackson anyway, but he is just a mean, evil man, IMO. He just needs to go somewhere, sit down, and Shut Up! I honestly do not know what is best for the children, but one thing I AM sure of is that Joe Jackson doesn't need to live with, nor have any control over them!

I honestly want what is best for the children.

[LaLaw2000]

There has been an ongoing investigation regarding funding the memorial the use of city resources. Civil issues were expected to be raised but no one expected anything criminal. They will not reveal anything for 60 days and they said this was an unexpected turn of events. Lots of speculation but no one has a clue at this point as everyone is caught completely off guard.

Thanks for the answer, JBean! 60 days? Man! I hope I live long enough to find out the answers to the questions I have surrounding Michael Jackson's death and this Memorial. Information just trickles out and when it does, it raises more questions than answers!

[feddup]

When LK was younger it seemed like he didn't care whether he insulted his guest or not. In the past year it seems to me that LK acts like an older man with some dementia. I could be wrong, but sometimes he seems to go off on tangents, or not understand the answer, etc. He is in his seventies -time to retire and let someone else take over. JMHO

I would love to see Barbara Walters interview Joe J. she would ask some good questions....theres alot you could ask him. i would like to see him confronted with the whippings Michael got, I dont think he made it up.
Also....how did he and Katherine come to live in such luxury....I can think of alot of questions. :)
As far as Mrs J, when she was interviewed with Joe sitting there by Maury Povich well it just didnt seem like she would stand up to him. If she retains custody of Michaels kids, this could be BAD. furthermore, did Michael J have the kids going to Kingdom Hall? Did he want them brought up in this religion? Ive never heard Michael talk about any kind of organized religion or that he considered himself a JW.
Maybe this is why we hear rumors of janet wanting to take the kids? just wondering!

[jon_burrows]

you know, watching Joe and Larry ( I have met Larry and he has it on the ball, is a prankster and loves women) but watching Joe and Larry I feel like Larry was really trying his best to trick Joe into saying something scandalous and almost suceeded a couple of times.

The Jacksons always reminded me of alot of dysfunctional families from that era. I think Joe put the fear of god into them and taught them to only speak candidly to other family members. I believe they were all trained to deny diffuse and manipulate, and I believe it was Joe who taught them all to tell ridiculous bold faced lies to the public and others. I think this is the Jackson family dynamic that is so often confused with unity. I think the only way they survived the many scandals has been throught he repitition of Joe's talking points.

I love the way he uses semantics ( beating is what they did to slaves) and slavery together to pull in pull in those who would say a whuppin isn't a beating, to gain the support of other blacks.

I have often wondered if Joe sexually abused those children. They all seem so deeply damaged and imprisoned by this patriarchy.

Joe is old school, I wouldn't be suprised if he kept other women , had other children etc...

It's funny you mentioned the subject of lying. I'm reading, "Be Careful Who You Love" written by Diane Diamond. There is a quote on pg 257. R. Chacon (former Neverland security guard who passed two lie detectors) made this comment to MJ in an open letter; "What did you say once? Tell a lie enough and people will believe it." Remember the night of the Grammys and you went on stage in a wheelchair and crutches? then you got back to Neverland and you threw those crutches out of the limo window and ran inside? Oh, yeah, you know how to play the part..."

The 'open letter' has much more than I posted.

[JBean]

Big breaking news. LA city council met behind closed doors today regarding possible CRIMINAL charges regarding the MEMORIAL. Sorry if posted already I can't read on my phone very well. This is from left field and completly unexpected.

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[URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/michael-jackson-36.html"]Possible 'criminal aspects' in Michael Jackson memorial security probe (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/michael-jackson-36.html)

1:24 PM | July 21, 2009
Los Angeles City Atty. Carmen Trutanich today told the City Council that his inquiry into the city's role in the Michael Jackson memorial may possibly have unearthed some "criminal aspects.''
"Our investigation has taken an unanticipated turn that raises both civil and criminal aspects,'' Trutanich told the council.

[JBean]

Speculation by radio reporter but clearly no one has the first clue:
bribery

[oceanblueeyes]

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[URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/michael-jackson-36.html"]Possible 'criminal aspects' in Michael Jackson memorial security probe (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/michael-jackson-36.html)

1:24 PM | July 21, 2009
Los Angeles City Atty. Carmen Trutanich today told the City Council that his inquiry into the city's role in the Michael Jackson memorial may possibly have unearthed some "criminal aspects.''
"Our investigation has taken an unanticipated turn that raises both civil and criminal aspects,'' Trutanich told the council.

I think they have uncovered some possible improper things that were done.

I just read an article (I will try to find it again and link it) that they want to know all the expenses incurred BUT they also want to know all of the money that was made by the city by having the memorial of MJ. In the article I read it said they were very interested in itemized bills and why it took $48K to just feed sandwiches to the police at lunch.

Also they want to know why a donation website was setup asking the MJ fans to donate.

It seems to me that the Mayor wanted to make extra money off of the memorial. I could never understand why the amount kept see sawing for 2 million and then they increased it up as high as 4 million at one time.

imo

[JBean]

I think they have uncovered some possible improper things that were done.

I just read an article (I will try to find it again and link it) that they want to know all the expenses incurred BUT they also want to know all of the money that was made by the city by having the memorial of MJ. In the article I read it said they were very interested in itemized bills and why it took $48K to just feed sandwiches to the police at lunch.

Also they want to know why a donation website was setup asking the MJ fans to donate.

It seems to me that the Mayor wanted to make extra money off of the memorial. I could never understand why the amount kept see sawing for 2 million and then they increased it up as high as 4 million at one time.

imoYes this has been the hot topic around here and people want answers. Mayor V is worthless and he has not been consistent regarding his position in all this. Mayor V was out of town when all this went down and he put the kabosh on the pay website.

but these are mostly civil issues. Criminal is a whole new ballgame.

ETA: the sandwich money has been a topic from the beginning so I think there is something there.

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes this has been the hot topic around here and people want answers. Mayor V is worthless and he has not been consistent regarding his position in all this. Mayor V was out of town when all this went down and he put the kabosh on the pay website.

but these are mostly civil issues. Criminal is a whole new ballgame.

ETA: the sandwich money has been a topic from the beginning so I think there is something there.

I agree and it seems they don't even have a policy in place for these type of things anyway. I am thinking that they may have uncovered that the ridiculous sandwich bill was way over inflated. Someone sure could be in a world of trouble if they have falsified any expenses.

Like the article says:
The confusion underscored the fact the city doesn't have a policy for how to finance and organize large, impromptu events like the Jackson memorial.

"How often does Elvis die? You can't have a policy on the death of Elvis," said political scientist Raphael Sonenshein of California State University, Fullerton. "If it hadn't been for this silly thing about the donations, it might have been a controversy that died a little faster."

[azwriter]

Good. I don't want ANY of the Jackson's to profit off of MJ's legacy except his kids of course. We all know no one in the family has money except for Janet. All the bros are leeches IMO. I don't know about Rebbie's financial situation.

Good points kato. They are all gathered with their hands out.
That sound you hear is me gagging at the thought of MJ being buried at an amusement park in order for his sibs and dad to profit off his death.

[Bobbisangel]

Yes, and she's 100% sure MJ is the biological father of Paris & Prince. :)

I highly doubt that Michael and Debbie had sexual intercourse at any time. It's so evident that the kids aren't Michael's bio kids. It doesn't really matter anyway. Michael was their real dad in every way possible.

Did anyone notice that Iris looks just like a Barbie doll???? She really does :eek:

[azwriter]

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As far as we know the only medical items found were an IV pole, a bag with a bit of liquid, and some oxygen tanks..That points to none of the necessary medical emergency equipment being there at all..Eveything about this scenario astounds me & Murray has no biz even being called a "Dr"!

What's really scary to me is the possibility that maybe this type of problem may have happened before. Not of course to the point of death for MJ, but perhaps difficulty on bringing him out of his medical induced sleep. We would never know, but, I imagine this practice hasn't been going on for all these years without some scary times. Look at the fact that we are now just learning that MJ was having this done for who knows how long. I can imagine MJ taking prescription drugs but this practice is indeed very, very strange.

[Bobbisangel]

Apparently Joe is too; he said Paris has the Jackson genes...

I can not stand that man! He has a great way of hedging questions. When Larry asked him about Michael leaving Katherine money but not even naming him in the will.....he circled the questions like a pro. What he ended up saying without coming right out and saying it about the money is....Katherine is a generous person...she will share her money with me.

I wonder why he thinks Paris has the Jackson genes?

When Larry asked old Joe if he could go back and do it all over is there anything he would do different in raising Michael. Joe hedged that question like crazy. That man wouldn't admit that he did anything wrong and helped screw Michael up if someone paid him...not even for MONEY. Joe never did answer that question. I think he jumped on to something else.

I wonder if old Joe has ever watched that movie about the family? In the movie it is a plain as day how Michael felt about his dad. When he was in the hospital after being burned he wouldn't even look at Joe. Michael's love for his mother was right out there.

I don't know about anyone else but I am sick of the media trying to find out where Michael's body is being kept. He is probably already buried at Forest Lawn...on the morning of the Memorial service when the family had their private service. The media are like vultures.

[azwriter]

I highly doubt that Michael and Debbie had sexual intercourse at any time. It's so evident that the kids aren't Michael's bio kids. It doesn't really matter anyway. Michael was their real dad in every way possible.

Did anyone notice that Iris looks just like a Barbie doll???? She really does :eek:

? Who is Iris?

[Theonly1]

Apparently Joe is too; he said Paris has the Jackson genes...

He just wants Paris to put on her dancin' shoes.

[Theonly1]

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MJ & Latoya (any others?) have spoken out to help shatter the illusion..I can only imagine JJ's TRUE reaction vs his public one filled with all his LIES!

But you gotta love how many horrible stories LaToya has told and then RECANTED! :)

[oceanblueeyes]

Good points kato. They are all gathered with their hands out.
That sound you hear is me gagging at the thought of MJ being buried at an amusement park in order for his sibs and dad to profit off his death.

The amusement part of Neverland has long been disassembled and removed.

Now it is a very elegant, serene, peaceful place.

I think he should be buried at Neverland whether it is ever opened to the public.

This is all three of these children's childhood home and it certainly should stay in their family for as long as they want it to be which imo would be forever to be passed onto other generations when his children pass away.

I don't think the children see it the way some of us do. I have no doubt they have wonderful cherished memories of their daddy and the magical place they lived in.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Do you have a link so we can read about it? I wonder what criminal charges they are talking about and who they will be against?

I think the Mayor and possibly others may be in deep trouble.

imo

[Bobbisangel]

? Who is Iris?

The friend of Debbie Rowe that was on LKL last night. She said that the two kids are Michael's bio kids and that Michael and Debbie had sex.

[Bobbisangel]

The amusement part of Neverland has long been disassembled and removed.

Now it is a very elegant, serene, peaceful place.

I think he should be buried at Neverland whether it is ever opened to the public.

This is all three of these children's childhood home and it certainly should stay in their family for as long as they want it to be which imo would be forever to be passed onto other generations when his children pass away.

I don't think the children see it the way some of us do. I have no doubt they have wonderful cherished memories of their daddy and the magical place they lived in.

imo


I don't think he should be buried there because of how he felt about Neverland after the trial. He made the statement that he would never go back there because of LE going in and going through all of his things. Besides, Michael doesn't own all that much of Neverland anymore. It seems that I read that he will receive dividends but it isn't his place anymore.

[oceanblueeyes]

What's really scary to me is the possibility that maybe this type of problem may have happened before. Not of course to the point of death for MJ, but perhaps difficulty on bringing him out of his medical induced sleep. We would never know, but, I imagine this practice hasn't been going on for all these years without some scary times. Look at the fact that we are now just learning that MJ was having this done for who knows how long. I can imagine MJ taking prescription drugs but this practice is indeed very, very strange.

IIRC in his tour in Germany he had a licensed anesthesiologist that accompanied him so I doubt this has happened before. I believe if it had then MJ would have been paranoid about this procedure.

Also the nurse that had been coming to the house to inject him with vitamins said that he asked her if she knew where he could find any driprivan and this was shortly before he died so I am not sure he was doing this on a regular basis.

If a doctor is qualified and actually monitors their patient when they are under and has the proper equipment set up then they can quickly reverse the drug. I believe Murray left the room for much longer than just stepping out of the room for a minute.

Murray was not an anesthesiologist nor did he have even any equipment needed in case there was a problem. This can happen in a hospital setting too but they are right there to do the proper things in case the person is not coming back up from being put under.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think he should be buried there because of how he felt about Neverland after the trial. He made the statement that he would never go back there because of LE going in and going through all of his things. Besides, Michael doesn't own all that much of Neverland anymore. It seems that I read that he will receive dividends but it isn't his place anymore.

That was years ago, Bobbi and we all know from our own personal experiences we can and often change our minds once time has passed.

He is in a joint venture with the co-owner. If he had wanted nothing to do with NL he would have sold him the entire thing. He did not and they had been doing updates to the home starting in 2008. Yes, he still has part ownership.

I think MJ knew the money would be rolling in again once his tour became a reality and he would have plenty of money to buy the guy out and move back to Neverland. He knew all three of his children lived there when they were first born and for years after.

In fact he legally stopped the auction of his items that were to be sold at Neverland. IMO, he was going back home with his children.

imo

[feddup]

There is an old transcript here with Iris Finsilver, she is D.Rowe's attorney.....

scroll down

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0504/28/lkl.01.html

it discusses Debbie R losing custody, like I said it is an old transcript but kind of interesting.

BTW tomorrow AM one of the Jackson bros is going to be on GMA, I think it is Jermaine....

[wandering]

There is an old transcript here with Iris Finsilver, she is D.Rowe's attorney.....

scroll down

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0504/28/lkl.01.html

it discusses Debbie R losing custody, like I said it is an old transcript but kind of interesting.

BTW tomorrow AM one of the Jackson bros is going to be on GMA, I think it is Jermaine....

Jermaine loves the camera and media.

[amysmom]

But you gotta love how many horrible stories LaToya has told and then RECANTED! :)

Very true but I think there's a ring of truth in her horrible stories re: Pops cos it's easy to see how truly vile he is & there's also MJ's which were very similar..I don't know what to make of the rest of them especially the ones re: MJ..I clearly recall being stunned when she threw him under the bus but can't recall if that was ever RECANTED..Do you know?

[amysmom]

Investigators trying to determine what killed Michael Jackson are seeking additional information from the personal physician who was with him when he died, the doctor’s lawyer said today.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/investigators-in-jackson-case-seeking-more-information-from-physician-.html

You can also read about the 'Memorial' investigation on this site (latimes.com)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jackson-memorial-money,0,137264.story?track=rss

[amysmom]

I think the Mayor and possibly others may be in deep trouble.

imo

It looks like the Mayor is in the clear at least re: the donations..I didn't realize the $$$ was going to a PayPal account..That reeks to me even tho the total amount of $$$ will be easy enough to track.

At one point, the city asked Michael Jackson's fans to help cover the costs of the memorial.

The Web page read: "Help the City of Angels provide the extraordinary public safety resources required to give Michael the safe, orderly and respectful memorial he deserves." The site was linked to a PayPal account where donors could make tax-deductible contributions.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was on vacation in South Africa during the memorial, called the city's donation Web site "ridiculous."

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jackson-memorial-money,0,137264.story?track=rss

[shana]

(changing topic here for a moment...)

I am curious as to what went into MJ's thinking when he decided in year 2002 on the percentages for his Estate, as:

40% to his mother
40% to his 3 children
20% to charity

imo, 'normally' a parent would designate children first with a greater amount. A gift left to an older parent would be far less, not equal to what he would leave for his 3 children to share among them.

I do understand the charitable donation as an act of generosity and possibly/likely as a tax advantage: I wonder if he setup a Foundation for that portion...I would expect so.

Why would he give his mother 40%? So that she could give it to...her husband (don't think so), his siblings (perhaps), his children eventually (but he provided for all 3 of them with an equal percentage to his mother's share).

I also wonder apart from the Will, what other Trusts he had setup for his childrens' benefit.

Who was advising him on these matters?

(40% to his mother...I just don't get that. It all just strikes me as strange.)

[amysmom]

(changing topic here for a moment...)

Why would he give his mother 40%? So that she could give it to...her husband (don't think so)

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The 'husband' made it clear on LK he believes he's getting some of her $$$ & he probably will..I don't get why MJ didn't think about this especially since he gave her so much & he knew for a fact he's been sponging off him since he was just a little kid.

[Amity]

When LK was younger it seemed like he didn't care whether he insulted his guest or not. In the past year it seems to me that LK acts like an older man with some dementia. I could be wrong, but sometimes he seems to go off on tangents, or not understand the answer, etc. He is in his seventies -time to retire and let someone else take over. JMHO

My Bolding

Kateyes,
Veering off your post and taking a sharp left *grin*.......This is exactly what I was trying to say in regards to Joe Jackson in an earlier post I wrote but your wording is so much better.

My feeling about Joe Jackson...he's a man who is losing it either due to old age or dementia.
Listen to his answers, listen to the way he veers off a subject and goes on a tangent.
I don't think he's far enough along for family members to do anything about it.
All the family members can do is hold their breath and hope and pray he doesn't say anything that will make the family look bad or that he doesn't say anything more that will make him look worse in the eyes of the public.

[JBean]

It looks like the Mayor is in the clear at least re: the donations..I didn't realize the $$$ was going to a PayPal account..That reeks to me even tho the total amount of $$$ will be easy enough to track.

At one point, the city asked Michael Jackson's fans to help cover the costs of the memorial.

The Web page read: "Help the City of Angels provide the extraordinary public safety resources required to give Michael the safe, orderly and respectful memorial he deserves." The site was linked to a PayPal account where donors could make tax-deductible contributions.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was on vacation in South Africa during the memorial, called the city's donation Web site "ridiculous."

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jackson-memorial-money,0,137264.story?track=rss


Yes, but Mayor V also told everyone when he got back and in his tweets while he was gone that he was completely in the loop and knew everything that was going on in his absence. He got home and found out that donation business didn't go over too well and made a point of distancing himself from that aspect of it.
The other question that I don;t think has been answered is are all the people that donated to the paypal account getting refunds? It was reported to be between 14 and 35k depending on who you ask LOL.


ETA:
http://twitter.com/villaraigosa

here is one of Mayor V's tweets on July 7:

#MJ (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MJ) fans, you can help LA give Michael the safe and orderly send off he deserves http://bit.ly/ABdlp7:33 AM Jul 7th (http://twitter.com/villaraigosa/status/2514663672) from web

went straight to the paypal site. oops.

He insists that he does all his own tweeting.

[Amity]

(changing topic here for a moment...)


(40% to his mother...I just don't get that. It all just strikes me as strange.)

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me.

I have been pondering this myself since the will was made public.
We had/have a similar situation in our family.
Two elderly sisters both in mid 70s.
Sister A had 5 adult children with 21 grandchildren between them.
Sister A owned her own home two blocks away from her mother.

Sister B sold her home in another state where she had raised her own children and moved to California, in with her elderly mother to take care of her in her final years.
Sister B did Everything, I mean everything for her mother while Sister A was too busy getting her adult children and grandchildren out of one crisis after another ..... each crisis was of their own doing; drugs, alcohol, gang member trouble, etc.

Elderly Mother passed away leaving 40% to daughter/sister B and 60% to daughter/sister A.
Elderly Mother's reasoning: Sister A had more children, a bigger house and all of that costs more money.

Sister A told Sister B that her 60% would be divided in half upon her death...half to her children, half to Sister B since sister B had made so many sacrifices taking care of their Mom.

Sister A never put that in her will and died 5 months to the day of her own Mother's death.

State of California.....Sister A's children reaped the rewards....all 60%.

Of course, now all the adult children are fighting, nobody is speaking to anyone else because each one feels they deserve more of the pie.
According to two of the lawyers this case, money divided between 5 siblings, could take years to come to conclusion.

Sister B is very content and has peace of mind in knowing she did all she could for her Mother.

What should happen if Mom Jackson dies in the near future?
All the money-grabbing kids will be standing in the front row with their hands out but because Mom Jackson and Joe are still legally married, Joe will automatically reap those rewards.
Something tells me the adult Jackson kids (most, not all) will not go gently into the sweet night but will fight for their 'fair share' of Mom Jackson's money...errrrrr..... I mean, Michael Jackson's money.

California and the Law make strange bed fellows.


ETA: Wow, thanks JB! Realized what I had done as soon as I posted but you are quick-draw on the keyboard! LOL