Leonard Gonzalez Jr.

[passionflower]

THE SOLE SHOOTER????

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/gonzalez-jr.-the-sole-shooter-in-the-billings-murder/198468/Jul-21-2009_2-01-pm/

[Kimster]

Please update me...I heard on the news that he was a friend of BB in the past? I don't have a link...just heard them talking on CNN yesterday.

[Gypsy Road]

Kimster, There are conflicing reports. The media is saying that BB loaned or gifted money to LPGjr to help him open a martial arts stuidio, while the Billing's family attorney and spokesperson is saying that a record of a loan hasn't not been found.

[Kimster]

Kimster, There are conflicing reports. The media is saying that BB loaned or gifted money to LPGjr to help him open a martial arts stuidio, while the Billing's family attorney and spokesperson is saying that a record of a loan hasn't not been found.

That's it! I heard about the martial arts studio. Thanks Gypsy! :blowkiss:

[Chemaster]

THE SOLE SHOOTER????

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/gonzalez-jr.-the-sole-shooter-in-the-billings-murder/198468/Jul-21-2009_2-01-pm/

If he is the killer this must be PURE torture for him knowing that it would take a COWARD to kill an unarmed elderly man. Especially considering that Jr. paints himself as a karate tough guy with instincts like a rattlesnake whom can cripple a man with little effort.

[Dear Prudence]

Wow, and it says Thornton and several other suspects told investigators that Leonard Gonzalez Jr was the sole shooter. So, they're all starting to turn on Jr. and talking a blue streak trying to stay off of death row.

[Gypsy Road]

ah yeah, but LPGjr said he was totally innocent and accused his dad, LPG SR, of being mentally unstable for throwing him under the bus.:rolleyes:

And what did LPG SR's sister day about SR on national tv? She said he was evil, crazy, and deserved to removed from society. When asked about LPG Jr, I believe she said "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!"

[NSC]

Hey all - since I have not link - you NEED to take this as speculation for now.

It is being said that LPG Jr knew Gary Sumner though martial arts. This would explain how LPG ended up with Stallsworth because Stallsworth had *stars* in his eyes with Sumner over the car stuff. I hope this gives a better idea how two different groups came together.

[Dear Prudence]

Hey all - since I have not link - you NEED to take this as speculation for now.

It is being said that LPG Jr knew Gary Sumner though martial arts. This would explain how LPG ended up with Stallsworth because Stallsworth had *stars* in his eyes with Sumner over the car stuff. I hope this gives a better idea how two different groups came together.

Thanks! I have asked several times if it was know how the two groups were related. Looking forward to hearing more

[pinkinablueworld]

WEARTV reported on 5pm news:

Investigators searched LPGJr's home looking for the following:

Black shirt & Pants
Masks
ADOPTION PAPERS
Birth Certificates
Communication Devices
Small Safe

What investigators found:

Black gloves/pants/jacket
Bungee Cord
Envelope w/ Writing
Computer/Phone/SIM Card
Blood samples from laundry room
Carpet from Bedroom

[LifeTimeAdventure]

WEAR-TV...

Attorney Jim Jenkins/ M. James Jenkins; http://www.jenkinslaw.net/lawyer-attorney-1173639.html :

Jr. Was Hired By His Client's Ex-Wife To Develop/Create A Criminal Case Against His Client. The Ex-Wife Paid Jr. Over $150K 3-4 Months Of Last Year. Jr. Followed His Client All Around The World. Within Months His Client Was Accused Of Child Molestation.

The Ex-Wife Cut The Payments Off, And Jr. Changed His Story Saying The Guy Was Innocent Under Oath. Jr. Was Given Blanket Immunity. His Client Was Cleared Of Charges.

[curiousmind]

WEAR-TV...

Attorney Jim Jenkins/ M. James Jenkins; http://www.jenkinslaw.net/lawyer-attorney-1173639.html :

Jr. Was Hired By His Client's Ex-Wife To Develop/Create A Criminal Case Against His Client. The Ex-Wife Paid Jr. Over $150K 3-4 Months Of Last Year. Jr. Followed His Client All Around The World. Within Months His Client Was Accused Of Child Molestation.

The Ex-Wife Cut The Payments Off, And Jr. Changed His Story Saying The Guy Was Innocent Under Oath. Jr. Was Given Blanket Immunity. His Client Was Cleared Of Charges.



:eek:

If this is accurate, I wonder who found him, the lawyer or the client.

[Gypsy Road]

here's the video interview with Jim Jenkins from wear-tv talking about Gonzalez Jr.

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_2865.shtml

[nomoresorrow]

Article from PNJ - Wednesday, July 22, 2009
(Quote)
Suspects: Gonalez the Only Shooter

Leonard Gonzalez Jr. pulled the trigger of the 9 mm pistol that killed Byrd and Melanie Billings, search warrant affidavits claim.

Wayne Coldiron and Frederick Thornton Jr., both charged with open counts of murder and a count of home invasion, told investigators that they saw Gonzalez Jr. kill the couple, according to search warrants filed in Escambia and Santa Rosa counties.

One of the Billingses was shot to death after their hands were bound by plastic zip ties, but the court documents didn't specify which.
(End Quote)
Read more here . . .
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090722/NEWS01/907220336/1051

[VespaElf]

I believe NOTHING that supposedly comes out of JR's mouth-seriously!
I was theorizing that he was paid to do a "hit" but now that HE is supposing claiming it-I think I might change my view!!!:crazy:

[swika]

wear-tv...

Attorney jim jenkins/ m. James jenkins; http://www.jenkinslaw.net/lawyer-attorney-1173639.html :

Jr. Was hired by his client's ex-wife to develop/create a criminal case against his client. The ex-wife paid jr. Over $150k 3-4 months of last year. Jr. Followed his client all around the world. Within months his client was accused of child molestation.

The ex-wife cut the payments off, and jr. Changed his story saying the guy was innocent under oath. Jr. Was given blanket immunity. His client was cleared of charges.

who is ex-wife .....anyone know ???

[Theonly1]

I wonder if they got the confessions before or after the police likely revealed they saw the surveillance tapes.

[Missizzy]

Has anyone come across any information concerning JR's daughter (whom he insists was "abducted" by family members). I remember reading a post a couple of threads back from someone purporting to be the child's grandmother. Was this verifiable in any way?

I'm wondering if this child might have been placed in foster care or even possibly adopted at some point. I see no reason to think that she was in the Billings home at the time of the murders but might she have ever been there? I'm wondering if MB ever assisted other families with placements. This is common practice for special needs adoptive families in my experience.

I recall seeing a photo of a lovely little girl on JRs MS page, identified as B. I'm really going out on a limb here and wondering if the little girl might have some special need ie. spectrum disorder which would have precipitated her needing to be in a specialized placement, possibly with her maternal family's agreement and support.

This is the only possible reason I can see that LE are searching for adoption papers. Please remember that this is totally conjecture on my part. Being an special needs adoption advocate, my thoughts always go to the children. If someone were to break into my home, they would find locked files of confidential and sensitive adoption related documents connected to the hundreds of children I have assisted over the years. I'm wondering if MB might have had the same sort of files.

JR seemed VERY committed to finding that child IMO.

[Gypsy Road]

Regarding the daughter of Gonzalez JR. That poster (the grandmother or aunt - I can't remember which one) only posted once or twice under the name of Jherkel I believe (or JenHerkel). You can find the poster by doing a search in the members list. I don't recall seeing a post verifying that she was who she claimed to be, but my personal feeling is that she was legit (However, we've all been duped before).

[Gypsy Road]

JR seemed VERY committed to finding that child IMO.

respectfully snipped

JR may have been committed to finding her, but I don't think it was for the right reasons. JMO.

[lexus116]

At http://ricksblog.biz he just posted about a Gulf Breeze robbery that occurred last November. It was meticulously planned, and the suspect dressed in black garb, and escaped in a large red van. Sound familiar?

Well, we also had a robbery occur that same month at Sun Trust bank. "Witnesses described the man as a white male, approximately 5 foot 8 inches tall, weighing around 160 pounds, dressed in a black hooded sweatshirt, black pants, black gloves and a black mask. http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2007/1108/front_page/001.html

In another article regarding the Sun Trust robbery, the police say they suspect he is an area resident. They show a small photo of him in the bottom right of the article. (Read bottom portion of article). http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2007/1115/front_page/001.html

Very interesting!

[pferrin]

Has anyone heard anymore about LPG jr"s wifes meeting with LE. TIA

[curiousmind]

Has anyone heard anymore about LPG jr"s wifes meeting with LE. TIA

No, I have not as a matter of fact. Almost seems to quiet.

[4Kat]

Has anyone heard anymore about LPG jr"s wifes meeting with LE. TIA

Only that she is no longer a POI. Personally, I think she has taken the kids into hiding, either for their safety or to keep the press at bay, probably both.

Can anyone blame her for that?

If I were her, my first move would be to contact a divorce attorney.

[daisy7]

Has anyone heard anymore about LPG jr"s wifes meeting with LE. TIA

Meanwhile, investigators Monday conducted interviews with three "persons of interest." Investigators also interviewed Gonzalez Jr.'s wife, Tabatha, the sheriff said. She cooperated with investigators and is no longer a person of interest, Morgan said.

(snipped)

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009907210310

[AmusedBystander]

Unfortunately, Mrs. LPGjr will probably make a fortune from the movie rights.

[AmusedBystander]

Statute only applies to his story. Hers would be exempt from my understanding.

[shefner]

I haven't commented on this case yet but the one thing that stands out to me concerns recent reports that these murders were the result of a contract hit for which the perps were to receive $30,000.
I don't know about you but this sounds crazy. That's not alot of money for this type of crime. And then consider $30,000 split among 8 or 9 criminals. This part of the case just doesn't add up for me. That's why I think the primary motive was more than just robbery....still trying to figure this out.

[nomoresorrow]

WEAR-TV...

Attorney Jim Jenkins/ M. James Jenkins; http://www.jenkinslaw.net/lawyer-attorney-1173639.html :

Jr. Was Hired By His Client's Ex-Wife To Develop/Create A Criminal Case Against His Client. The Ex-Wife Paid Jr. Over $150K 3-4 Months Of Last Year. Jr. Followed His Client All Around The World. Within Months His Client Was Accused Of Child Molestation.

The Ex-Wife Cut The Payments Off, And Jr. Changed His Story Saying The Guy Was Innocent Under Oath. Jr. Was Given Blanket Immunity. His Client Was Cleared Of Charges.

who is ex-wife .....anyone know ???

I'd guess a friend or associate of PLW's. She (the ex-wife) obviously has some money if she can afford to pay $150k to get dirt on her ex. Owning a yacht can certainly help attract wealthy friends & associates. Just my opinion from what we know so far but I think PLW's and Jr. have been stratching eachothers backs for quite some time . . .
MOO

[nomoresorrow]

I haven't commented on this case yet but the one thing that stands out to me concerns recent reports that these murders were the result of a contract hit for which the perps were to receive $30,000.
I don't know about you but this sounds crazy. That's not alot of money for this type of crime. And then consider $30,000 split among 8 or 9 criminals. This part of the case just doesn't add up for me. That's why I think the primary motive was more than just robbery....still trying to figure this out.

The report(s) didn't actually state that the murders were difinately a hit, it simply raised the question (may be a hit . . . ) based on rumors & speculation (unnamed sources). That hasn't been stated or confirmed by investigators - yet - in the case. The amount was $20,000 - $50,000 stated in Rick's blog;
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6883

I agree, whether it's $30,000 or $50,000, it's not alot when divided 7 - 8 ways. Of course NOW we know that there was a second safe in the home that had $100,000 in it. If it was a hit and the deal was $50,000 + the $100,000 in the safe, we're talking around $20,000 each - which still isn't really that much $$ either - Who knows how this all would have played out had they found/gottin into the second safe - maybe Jr. wasn't planning on sharing the loot with any of his "crime scene" accomplices - maybe he was just going to take it all himself and sail away with PL Wiggins (the "behind the scenes" accomplice) into the sunset . . .
MOO

[UnderDog]

I'm currently researching an entirely different angle on this case, but I found this article and couldn't help but think of the "crazy youtube lady". Apparently, she isn't so crazy after all. At least, according to this article and story.
http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=4718
Shauna is a victim of sex trafficking. Forced commercial sex and labor are called human trafficking, a form of modern-day slavery. Human trafficking is very real across the United States, especially in Florida, California, New York and Texas. And it's very real in Pensacola.

[daisy7]

I'm currently researching an entirely different angle on this case, but I found this article and couldn't help but think of the "crazy youtube lady". Apparently, she isn't so crazy after all. At least, according to this article and story.
http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=4718
Shauna is a victim of sex trafficking. Forced commercial sex and labor are called human trafficking, a form of modern-day slavery. Human trafficking is very real across the United States, especially in Florida, California, New York and Texas. And it's very real in Pensacola.

I read that article when it came out a few years ago. I do agree that human trafficking is real and probably happening here.

But, how is this connected to the Billings? And, how does this support "crazy youtbe lady's" allegations about the Billings?

[UnderDog]

I read that article when it came out a few years ago. I do agree that human trafficking is real and probably happening here.

But, how is this connected to the Billings? And, how does this support "crazy youtbe lady's" allegations about the Billings?

It only supports the reality of human trafficking which makes the "crazy" lady less crazy. I've read through hundreds of cases of drug and human trafficking in the Pensacola area. One thing ties them all together, you would NEVER suspect the guilty before they were convicted or confessed.

[daisy7]

It only supports the reality of human trafficking which makes the "crazy" lady less crazy. I've read through hundreds of cases of drug and human trafficking in the Pensacola area. One thing ties them all together, you would NEVER suspect the guilty before they were convicted or confessed.

There are MANY cases where people wouldn't suspect the guilty, until they were found guilty or confessed. Really, there's just too many to list here.

Respectfully, please elaborate on how this is connected to the Billings.

:blowkiss:

[UnderDog]

There are MANY cases where people wouldn't suspect the guilty, until they were found guilty or confessed. Really, there's just too many to list here.

Respectfully, please elaborate on how this is connected to the Billings.

:blowkiss:

Are you sleuthing or monitoring?

[Choux]

It only supports the reality of human trafficking which makes the "crazy" lady less crazy. I've read through hundreds of cases of drug and human trafficking in the Pensacola area. One thing ties them all together, you would NEVER suspect the guilty before they were convicted or confessed.

That's why I never called her crazy. The problems she talks about are very real and an extremely serious problem going on all over.

I haven't been able to find a link back to the Billings, nor have I found where anyone else has directly linked it either. Therefore I'm left to continue believing, as I have and stated since she brought the Billings into the mix, she used the high media attention of the case in an attempt to bring attention to her own problems. And to repeat myself from an earlier statement again, in my opinion, regardless of how desperate she is for help or whatever, she went about it the wrong way, as of now, due to her having brought the murders of the Billings family into her plight, and the manner in which she used them, the majority of the people have blown her off as being a nutjob, ignored the bigger picture and could care less about her and any problem she may have, real or imagined.

The area of Alabama that I am presently in, we have a huge population of mostly illegals and a small handful of documented temporary workers, from all over South and Central America, very few are actually from Mexico, although the Mexicans take the rap for all of it. These people move around a lot, here today, gone tomorrow, to be replaced by another, it's truly like a dang shell game or something. The local police and immigrations simply do not care, until something major happens and the public outrage is so severe, they're left with no choice, but to do something and then it's only enough to silence the vocal majority.

I've given a lot of thought to a possible connection to the Billings Family, climbing out on a limb here, in my opinion, *IF* there is a connection, Jr. would have to be the prime candidate. I'm not saying there is a connection or that Jr. is or has been involved in something like that, but the sheriff did mention possible "international" ties on more than one occasion. Given Jr.'s admission of having gone to Costa Rica. We don't know what he was really doing while he was there, how long he was really there, how much back/forth he did during the time, or whether he drove or took to the skies. Given his criminal record and obvious greed, I wouldn't put it passed him to have been involved in some form of smuggling/trafficking. It's one of a dwindling number of remaining things he hasn't either been confirmed to have done or is being looked at as a possible suspect, that we're aware of.

Furthermore, at the moment, I'm not putting anything passed Ms. Pam How-Does-She-Even-Keep-All-Of-Her-Names-Straight...Hmmm...or was that her method behind it, hoping nobody else could? If it was, then it most certainly worked in confusing the heck out of me for about 2-3 days and I'm still not 100% sure, all I've paper trailed are her, or yet another unfortunate soul that happens to share her name.

But enough on the You Tube chica, she's starting to give me a bigger headache than Ms. Pam -insert name of the day here-.

[babyof4]

First time posting.....I have found a link between the Billings case and human trafficking. It is most likely nothing but you never know. Anyway, there was a poem written by a girl named Sam Bennett in Pensacola. She claims to have been raped by Wayne Coldiron and Richard Owens. here is the link to that poem.http://www.postpoems.com/cgi-bin/displaypoem.cgi?pid=386909 . I'm sure you all have seen it. I find it interesting, if only coincidental, that Shauna Newell also has poems posted there. Here is the link for that. http://www.postpoems.com/members/restless_eyes49. I'm sure you all remember her human trafficking story from Pensacola. Another interesting connection is that Shauna's step-dad is related to Carol Brant who is related to the Gonzalez'. Connie Gonzalez , Leonard Sr.'s sister,sued Greg and Lisa Brant for default on a mortgage. I am in no way implying that the Newell family or the Brants had anything to do with the Billings murder. I am just pointing out some ineteresting connections. If these things have been pointed out in earlier posts I do apologize.

[Choux]

Oops! I must've somehow missed that.

[babyof4]

Poor Shauna.....Leonard Sr. is her paw-paw. My heart goes out to her. I want to make sure it is understood that I am NOT implying that the Brants or Newells have anything to do with this horrific crime. I just wouldn't be surprised to find out that Gonzo, Gonzo Jr. and Coldiron are involved in human trafficking or anything else for that matter.

[Gene]

Poor Shauna.....Leonard Sr. is her paw-paw. My heart goes out to her. I want to make sure it is understood that I am NOT implying that the Brants or Newells have anything to do with this horrific crime. I just wouldn't be surprised to find out that Gonzo, Gonzo Jr. and Coldiron are involved in human trafficking or anything else for that matter.

Babyof4, someone with the same username as you has already posted about this on Ricks Blog:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6732

Someone who calls themselves Lisa Brant has said that there is no connection to leonard and asked NOT to be connected to this case. Lisa wrote:


we are no way connected to this we are carols kids but we have no connection to leonard and would appreciate if you would leave our names out of this we are deeply saddened by what these men have done..we moved away from florida years ago after what happened to our daughter and we do not need to start being harrased by media and unthoughtful people with no remorse of throwing innocent peoples name around the media… lisa and greg brant

On Ricks blog you appologized and wrote:

" I really am sorry for being insensitive. It was not meant like that."


So, Babyof4, it seems that you just registered here in order to connect the Brant's to this case. You wrote:

"Poor Shauna.....Leonard Sr. is her paw-paw"


Why are you doing that to this family who has already suffered enough????

[babyof4]

No, Gene, that's not why I posted. I have been reading yours and others comments for some time and for the most part have been quite impressed. I guess I foolishly felt like I had something to contribute. So I guess I'll go back to just reading since my opinion appears to be unwelcome. Carry on, Gene.

[Gene]

No, Gene, that's not why I posted. I have been reading yours and others comments for some time and for the most part have been quite impressed. I guess I foolishly felt like I had something to contribute. So I guess I'll go back to just reading since my opinion appears to be unwelcome. Carry on, Gene..

Sorry Babyof4, I did not mean to offend you. But if you felt that, despite the Brant's request, it was important to contribute this information, the best way would have been to include the link to the discussion in Ricks Blog, right in your first post.

Then NO suggestion that "Shauna.....Leonard Sr. is her paw-paw", since this is hardly likely. I doubt that Leonard Sr is in anyway related to Shauna.

I am pretty new here myself and just getting going. Please continue to contribute.

[babyof4]

Lisa Brant has said that Gonzo Sr. is the paw-paw of her children. Again, I will re-emphasize that I am not suggesting that the Newell/Brant family is involved. Like I said I am new at this so I apologize for not posting correctly earlier with the link to ricksblog. I'm learning and hopefully I will do things properly in the future.

[Gene]

Lisa Brant has said that Gonzo Sr. is the paw-paw of her children.

Does the term "Paw-paw" have a local meaning that I am unfamilar with?

According to the Lisa Brant post on Rick's Blog "we are carols kids but we have no connection to leonard".

I am not sure which Leonard she is refering to, but it seems to me that if they have no connection to one Leonard, they likely have no connection to either of them. Certainly no biological relationship anyway. You have made the point that there some kind of "relationship" via Carol Brant however, but what kind of relationship this is, is unclear to me. Carol and Leonard Sr seem to be living together on Palm Ct, but I have not seen any information that they are married or how long they have been together or if Leonard Sr has had any involvement with Shauna. But Lisa tells us they have no connection, so we should probably accept that and leave them alone.

[babyof4]

That's fine with me to leave it alone. I don't appreciate you acting as if I am attacking them. I am just telling what I read. If you did the very simple research that I did you would see exactly what I was referring to. BTW, paw-paw is what most people call a grandfather.

[shefner]

Sorry guys but I'm completely lost. I have tried to read each day and stay up to date as much as possible. But who is Shauna? I think the reason so few people have posted is because this case if sooo complicated...there are many perpertrators and multiple connections. I'm just trying to find the easiest path of least resistance to keep up! Feel free to send me to another link and I will read from there.

[Gene]

That's fine with me to leave it alone. I don't appreciate you acting as if I am attacking them. I am just telling what I read. If you did the very simple research that I did you would see exactly what I was referring to. BTW, paw-paw is what most people call a grandfather.

Babyof4:

Again, I am sorry if you feel that I am attacking you. I just feel it is important that we be clear and not bring this innocent girl and her family into this mess.

According to the Gonzales search warrent, Carol Brant is the step-mother of LPG Jr.

http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/searchwarrant-1.pdf

So, we do not know if LPG Sr has any direct relation to the girl and to imply anything else is misleading. I do not think that the term Grandfather can be used here. Further, her mother has told us that there is no connection. Please read this post from the moderators about dragging in people who have no connection to the case:

Important - people who are NOT involved but are getting dragged in - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Shefner: If you want to understand who the girl is, you can read Babyof4's first and second post earlier in this thread. But again she has NO connection to this case and her family has asked (elsewhere) to be left out of the discussion. I really think we should end it here.

Babyof4, again, no disrespect intended. I just think it is best to keep it clear that that other family has no connection, biological or otherwise to this mess. I am really, really sorry if I offended you.

[babyof4]

That is not where I got my information, but I am ready to drop this subject once and for all. Let us just move on, please. I'm sorry to have gotten off on the wrong foot right out of the gate. No hard feelings, Gene.

[Gene]

http://open.salon.com/blog/jodi_kasten/2009/07/21/our_neighborhood_murderer

A very interesting blog post from a classmate, including yearbook photos! Here is a snip from the blog as a teaser:

He enjoyed the power and the intimidation that high-level karate training can give in the wrong hands. He was known as a smooth-talker and a fighter. He was a thug and a pissant from the day I met him when we were children. If you were to ask me a week ago which kid in my school would end up executing two people while wearing a ninja costume, I would not have hesitated - Pat Poff.

[catfishb]

I'd guess a friend or associate of PLW's. She (the ex-wife) obviously has some money if she can afford to pay $150k to get dirt on her ex. Owning a yacht can certainly help attract wealthy friends & associates. Just my opinion from what we know so far but I think PLW's and Jr. have been stratching eachothers backs for quite some time . . .
MOO

Does anyone remember Jim Jenkins from another case in Pensacola? I posted on here but can't find the story in PNJ. Its been maybe 4 or 5 years. He was a defendant in a criminal case. Surely someone in Pensacola remembers this.

[Gene]

http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2009/0716/front_page/001.html

According to the Gulf Breeze News LPG Jr has a previous conviction for home invasion. I had not seen that. Is this an error or is it for real?

According to Morgan and court records, Gonzalez Jr. has an extensive criminal history. He previously was convicted on charges of home invasion, battery with a firearm, battery on a law enforcement officer and forgery.

[Choux]

http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2009/0716/front_page/001.html

According to the Gulf Breeze News LPG Jr has a previous conviction for home invasion. I had not seen that. Is this an error or is it for real?

According to Morgan and court records, Gonzalez Jr. has an extensive criminal history. He previously was convicted on charges of home invasion, battery with a firearm, battery on a law enforcement officer and forgery.

He does indeed have a burglary and forgery rap.

The battery on LE was when he was arrested for being "drunk".

I'll have to do some checking to see if the burglary was of a "home", if so perhaps they chose "home invasion" over "burglary".

[lexus116]

I think someone has to be in the home at the time of a burglary in order to be charged with "home invasion".

[daisy7]

http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2009/0716/front_page/001.html

According to the Gulf Breeze News LPG Jr has a previous conviction for home invasion. I had not seen that. Is this an error or is it for real?

According to Morgan and court records, Gonzalez Jr. has an extensive criminal history. He previously was convicted on charges of home invasion, battery with a firearm, battery on a law enforcement officer and forgery.

Here are the charges for him under Patrick Poff

SR County - says conveyance don't know what that is
http://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=57&data=63eb14feb0141c9b056ed8bc20a7511c

Escambia County - robbery of a business
http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=15205678

[Choux]

I think someone has to be in the home at the time of a burglary in order to be charged with "home invasion".

He was charged with and pleaded guilty to "burglary of conveyance".

Since the article didn't specifically "quote" the sheriff, if the "conveyance" happened to be a "home", what I meant to say was, perhaps the journalist(s) that wrote the article took "burglary" of a "home" and chose to use "home invasion" instead.

Nevertheless, the online court record doesn't specify what was actually burglarized. The forgery is in the same document. It also indicates at the time this happened he was on probation.

http://oncoreweb.srccol.com/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=9638174&rn=3&pi=0&ref=search

Since the forgery can be documented and it doesn't specify what was forged, simply forgery and uttering a forged instrument, could back up what I was told years ago, that he'd stolen some checks from his parents, cashed them and was caught.

But with him who knows, from what I've seen record wise, versus what I was told, seems like a whole lotta down playing was done to save his face.

[daisy7]

He was charged with and pleaded guilty to "burglary of conveyance".

Since the article didn't specifically "quote" the sheriff, if the "conveyance" happened to be a "home", what I meant to say was, perhaps the journalist(s) that wrote the article took "burglary" of a "home" and chose to use "home invasion" instead.

Nevertheless, the online court record doesn't specify what was actually burglarized. The forgery is in the same document. It also indicates at the time this happened he was on probation.

http://oncoreweb.srccol.com/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=9638174&rn=3&pi=0&ref=search

Since the forgery can be documented and it doesn't specify what was forged, simply forgery and uttering a forged instrument, could back up what I was told years ago, that he'd stolen some checks from his parents, cashed them and was caught.

But with him who knows, from what I've seen record wise, versus what I was told, seems like a whole lotta down playing was done to save his face.

BBM. If this is true, I wonder if his parents turned him in or he was caught another way?

After reading those letters on Rick's site, from him and his mom, I thought his mom seemed similar to CA, by trying to defend his actions...

[Choux]

BBM. If this is true, I wonder if his parents turned him in or he was caught another way?

After reading those letters on Rick's site, from him and his mom, I thought his mom seemed similar to CA, by trying to defend his actions...


What I was told was that they had no idea who had taken and were cashing the checks and were quite shocked when he was busted, but since it had already been turned over to LE, it was out of their hands.

I have no idea of how true it was, it's just what I'd heard. Will be very interesting to find out for sure.

I'd say 90% of what came out of his mouth was only half truths or flat out lies. The remaining 10% being totally related to martial arts, as that is mostly all he wanted to talk about. It wouldn't matter what the topic of conversation was around him, he would always find a way to bring martial arts into it, even if it was nothing more than, where do we go eat lunch Mc D's or Taco Bell? And he'd respond, with Mc D's, I'm training a girl that works there, type thing.

Same thing with him usually being dressed in some ninja or karate attire, he'd been training someone and hadn't had time to change or he'd been "honing" his "techniques" would be the reasoning.

Any time he would get into sometime kind of trouble and disappear for awhile, he'd always have been setup by someone he considered a "friend". He was portrayed as poor Pat, somebody is always out to take advantage of him.

It's times such as these that I wish I could get in contact with my criminal of relative that had him hanging around far too much for my liking.

In hindsight, they were as the saying goes, "thick as thieves" and now it's known they both have robbery raps from back in those days.

[daisy7]

Besides the ninja/karate stuff, it sounds like he's very similar to KC.

[cleo612]

There is a Federal Tax Lien on LPGJr AS OF TODAY, July 27, 2009: http://oncoreweb.srccol.com/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=21819841&rn=1&pi=0&ref=search (http://oncoreweb.srccol.com/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=21819841&rn=1&pi=0&ref=search)

[Gene]

could back up what I was told years ago, that he'd stolen some checks from his parents, cashed them and was caught.

Interesting!! According to Ricks Blog, his wife has a similar history.....

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6810

[daisy7]

New Today: Murder Suspect Gonzalez Jr Has IRS Problem

July 28, 2009

Billings murder suspect Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr has a problem with the IRS over unpaid self employment taxes from 2006.

The Internal Revenue Service file a federal tax lien Monday in Santa Rosa County Court against Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr and his wife Tabatha C. Gonzalez. The total amount of the lien is $7,736.98.

(snipped)

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9776

Cleo posted about this earlier today.

[pilgrim]

Info on LPGjr's contract for $150,000 to gather info on a rich lady's ex.
How many of these type of people can one person know?

http://pnj.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/90728029

[daisy7]

Thanks, pilgrim!!

Wow, lots of interesting info in this article, if it's true!

Says he met the ex when her child started taking karate classes with him -- so it's gotta be a Breezer (I just can't see someone from P'Cola coming to GB for a child's karate class). PNJ says they aren't releasing the name of the ex-wife or husband cuz they're not involved in the Billings investigation. Guess that means it's not PLW.

[pilgrim]

Yes, she use to be a Breezer. I'm not really sure where she lives now.

[daisy7]

Yes, she use to be a Breezer. I'm not really sure where she lives now.

You know who this woman is?

[pilgrim]

I have done some sleuthing and have come to a conclusion. 99.9%.

[Gene]

A phone registered to LPG Jr was used to manage property owned by Wiggins!!

Do a reverse Look-up for this phone number:

850-225-

In this directory:

http://www.whitepages.com/reverse_phone

You will see that it is registered to Leonard P Gonzalez of Gulf Breeze (age 35-39) so it must be Jr.

Do a google search on that number and you will find it is being used for:

* UDT institute (Security company owned by LPG Jr)
* To advertise vacant rental property on:

- Browder St
- Soundview Trail

Look at the properties owned by PWL here:

http://pnj.com/article/20090716/NEWS01/907160312/-1/special

* Wiggins' lived on Ramblewood Drive
* LPG lived in Wiggins Sterling Point Place property
* Browder and Soundview are owned by Wiggins but I believe that neither Wiggins nor LPG lived there.

So, why are advertisements for Wiggins vacant property being answered on a phone registered to LPG Jr? Could LPG Jr have managed property for Wiggins?

[pinkinablueworld]

Good work, Gene. Very interesting connections. We knew they were linked as friends, this starts to show us how involved they were in business.

Pilgram, can we just have initials of this individual? Has she been mentioned in this case yet?

[Gene]

If you remove the dashes and google it like this: 850225, you can also find it being used for "Project Fight Back". This is definately LPG Jr's phone.

The rental ads are on the "Pensacola News Journal". While they are now showing on the Google Search page, if you click them, they are no longer listed on the PNJ. Thus, these ads are not current and will soon disappear from Google. If you try this seach in a few days or weeks, you may no longer find the ads.

If you work for the PNJ or know someone who does, it would be VERY interesting to know who placed and paid for those ads. My guess is that PWL did. But it would also be interesting to know if it was LPG or someone else.

[UnderDog]

An interesting read at Rick's:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7016

[daisy7]

Thanks, Gene! The phone number stuff is just bizarre! I have a good friend who used to be a reporter for PNJ, but she left a year ago.

So, PLW is using Jr.'s cell phone number in her rental ads. And, she says he has a key to her house and can come and go as he pleases.

Hmm...makes me think maybe they were "closer" then they should have been, IYKWIM? If so, it's just gross!:(

[LaceSprocket]

Thanks, Gene! The phone number stuff is just bizarre! I have a good friend who used to be a reporter for PNJ, but she left a year ago.

So, PLW is using Jr.'s cell phone number in her rental ads. And, she says he has a key to her house and can come and go as he pleases.

Hmm...makes me think maybe they were "closer" then they should have been, IYKWIM? If so, it's just gross!:(

Exactly! That's what I was saying in the Pam Wiggen's thread. I have a suspicion that LP Jr. and ole'Pamcakes had a little sumthin' sumthin' going on over there.

Yeah, she was a witness to his marriage, but that doesn't mean a thing, especially with the bizarro circles these folks ran in. (LP Jr. married his friend's exwife...just as an example).

Now, I'm NOT saying this was an entirely romantic thing... I'm thinking that LP Jr. "charmed" her into getting what he needed from her... money, sex, whatever... perhaps using a certain "charm" he brags so much about having. I think Pamcakes fell for it hook line and sinker and thought she had her hooks in somebody who could boost her street-cred and her wallet....

But yeah.... bleehhhhhh all the way around.

[LaceSprocket]

OK... the plot thickens. And I need to make a clarification.

PNJ is reporting today the same story that CBS "broke" on July 16th.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/cbsnews_investigates/main5166742.shtml

CBS claimed to have obtained "documents" from a deposition that LP Jr. gave to J Jenkins, defined in the article as the 'criminal defense' attorney in which LP Jr. revealed he was a "paid informant" and paid $150K for his work.

This launched a huge speculation that LP Jr. was a paid "fed" - NOT SO at all. CBS NEVER revealed WHO paid him and they implied that the "criminal defense attorney" was representing LP Jr. Maybe he was - but Jenkins was representing someone else... someone very important when you read the story from PNJ today...

(((I really wish CBS revealed more info on July 16th - it would saved a lot of useless speculation... they really didn't do a good job giving us all the facts. Nonetheless... ))))

PNJ gives us MUCH MORE DETAIL to the same deposition:
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/90728029


- as supsected, LP Jr. was full of crap - he was not a "paid informant" as in the "fed" sense - he was hired by some rich lady - whom he met in Nov. 2007 - she hired him to tail her exhusband and agreed to pay him $1 million if she could find something that would land her ex in jail. (And later wanted him to investigate her CURRENT husband, but I digress...). She was paying LP Jr. by making "payments" to Project Fightback, which got too suspicious for her money people...

So......

If you look at the time line.. LP Jr. suddenly opened "UDT - Ultimate Defensive Tactics Institute"... in January 2008.
http://www.gobignetwork.com/profiles/Patrick-Poff.aspx

So "rich lady" made payments to UDT! But since he didn't give her want she wanted, she only paid him $150K. Which I assume is where the relationship soured... because.......

Jenkins was NOT LP Jr.'s criminal attorney - Jenkins was the attorney representing that woman's exhusband. So how did LP Jr. end up talking to Rich Lady's exhusband's attorney....???

At some point, the relationship "soured" between LP Jr. and "his client" when HE CLAIMS she wanted him to plant drugs on her ex. LP Jr. supposedly refused. (I doubt that - he probably screwed it up.) Anyway, things went south... and LP Jr. CONTACTED her EX ... and was put in touch with J. Jenkins... the attorney representing Rich Lady's EX.... not necessarily LP Jr.

Also note, LP Jr. describes his UDT business (in the above link) as services for traveling business people. In the PNJ article, he claims his business was to help women investigate husbands... PNJ also reports that LP Jr. claims he traveled around the country following this guy... "a traveling business person" - what a coincidence... anyway...

I just found the whole thing laughable. It seems like LP Jr. has a history of going through extreme lengths to be something he's not.

Further evidence that LP Jr. is full of it:

snipped from PNJ...

"Through his school, known as Project FIGHTBACK, he claimed to have taught martial arts to more than 11,000 children, as well as self-defense awareness to thousands of women. In a recent court appearance, Gonzalez upped that number to 20,000."

Amazing isn't it? From 11,000 in Oct. 2008 to 20,000 in July 2009. Where did he find the time to train 9,000 more people in 9 months? :rolleyes:

At least ONE month of that time was rehearsing his plot to invade the home and slaughter the parents of disabled children?

I hate him more and more every day.

[Miss Muffet]

I just found the whole thing laughable. It seems like LP Jr. has a history of going through extreme lengths to be something he's not.
Instead of laughable, I found the Operation Cold Dish article to prove that LPG Jr could be hired for almost anything, perhaps even murder.

[pilgrim]

What I find intriguing is that he had an about face in this case and eventually sided with the ex. Do you think someone that did what he did can sometimes have a conscience? to Pink-RM.

[Miss Muffet]

What I find intriguing is that he had an about face in this case and eventually sided with the ex. Do you think someone that did what he did can sometimes have a conscience? to Pink-RM.
His about face could have been the result of the soured realtionship with the woman or in retaliation for not being paid.

[daisy7]

His about face could have been the result of the soured realtionship with the woman or in retaliation for not being paid.

That's what I'm thinking. The article says he tapes phone calls with the wife, which is HIGHLY questionable to me and may even be illegal (gotta look that up).

[daisy7]

Exactly! That's what I was saying in the Pam Wiggen's thread. I have a suspicion that LP Jr. and ole'Pamcakes had a little sumthin' sumthin' going on over there.

Yeah, she was a witness to his marriage, but that doesn't mean a thing, especially with the bizarro circles these folks ran in. (LP Jr. married his friend's exwife...just as an example).

Now, I'm NOT saying this was an entirely romantic thing... I'm thinking that LP Jr. "charmed" her into getting what he needed from her... money, sex, whatever... perhaps using a certain "charm" he brags so much about having. I think Pamcakes fell for it hook line and sinker and thought she had her hooks in somebody who could boost her street-cred and her wallet....

But yeah.... bleehhhhhh all the way around.

Jr. and his wife were witnesses to LPW's marriage. Haven't seen where she was a witness to theirs?

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9771

[LaceSprocket]

Jr. and his wife were witnesses to LPW's marriage. Haven't seen where she was a witness to theirs?

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9771

oops. Sorry I mixed that up. You're right. Thanks for the correction!

[pilgrim]

Rick seems to think this guy is the person who did the hiring of LPGjr for the job.

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7036

[who knew?]

Rick seems to think this guy is the person who did the hiring of LPGjr for the job.

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7036

I so agree!!!
Now we need to figure out the "inside person".....I think we know, but LE hasn't pinpointed this person and I don't think it's been in the papers.

[Dallasdon]

Do we know yet what Tabatha had to say to the LE?

(Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I find this new forum very frustrating. I understand the need for separate threads, but where is a thread for general observations???)

[Miss Muffet]

Do we know yet what Tabatha had to say to the LE?

(Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I find this new forum very frustrating. I understand the need for separate threads, but where is a thread for general observations???)

Here's a questions and answers only thread:

Questions and Answers ONLY - *NO DISCUSSIONS* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

[UnderDog]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

Originally found at:
http://ricksblog.biz/

[Sissy1355]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

Originally found at:
http://ricksblog.biz/

Thanks UnderDog. Just posted this on the links thread and was coming to post here also. To be perfectly honest, I think many of us thought this from the beginning. As soon as I heard they were in and out in 4 mins, I had a sinking suspicion this would be the case.

[Steely Dan]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

Originally found at:
http://ricksblog.biz/


:waitasec:

Can't wait to find out who ordered it and why. :eek:

[Miss Muffet]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

Originally found at:
http://ricksblog.biz/

This makes complete sense. There's no way 8 people would have conspired to kill a couple. I thought from the beginning that one person had murder in mind and led everyone else to believe it was simply going to be a robbery. I hope LE doesn't drop the ball on figuring out who hired JR for the hit.

[daisy7]

Sordid tale of woe from T. Gonzalez’s ex

The ex-husband of Tabatha Gonzalez, wife of the Patrick Gonzalez, Jr, was convicted of trafficking cocaine in September 2004. Judge Linda Nobles sentenced him, B.A. Fausti, to two years of community control supervision and four years of probation.

I reviewed Fausti’s case file and found an interesting narrative from him on how his life spiraled out of control and led to his arrest in December 2002. The narrative was part of a motion to mitigate his sentence and terminate the remainder of his probation of supervision, dated August 21, 2006. The motion was denied by Judge Nobles.

Fausti, a Naval Academy graduate and U. S. Navy pilot, blames his fall from grace on a “series of devastating events” – which include fire, his wife leaving him and her abandoning their four children.

12/28/01 House (5699 Pine Oak Avenue, Milton) catches fire and is totaled.

1/7/02 Wife (Tabatha) leaves him and takes his four kids.

(snipped)

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7080

[Miss Muffet]

his wife leaving him and her abandoning their four children.

Wife (Tabatha) leaves him and takes his four kids.
Rick needs to get on the editorial ball.

[daisy7]

Bringing over a post from one of the early threads that discusses the dependency order, which was originally found by midwest mom. We still don't know for certain if it's for TG.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkinablueworld
According to :
http://opinions.1dca.org/opinions200...04/03-5439.pdf
the children were placed in long term relative care. The Billings were not caring for foster children. The Billings adopted special needs children.

I agree.

From the link:

Quote:
Rather than basing its determinations upon this evidence, it appears that the trial court’s decision to place the children in long-term relative care was based upon unsworn assertions, hearsay, and the court’s personal knowledge concerning the mother’s new husband.
BBM. This refers to the judge's knowledge, right? Judge Goodman is extremely well-respected, awesome and a true advocate for children; I've known her professionally for several years. She does family court, including divorces. Wonder if she was the judge for Jr's divorce?

BTW - we still don't know if this case really is for Tabatha, or do we? IIRC, the doc. was originally found by sleuthing the attorney that was (IIRC) mistakenly identified as being in the picture when Wiggins was arrested.

ETA: Judge Goodman was NOT the judge for the divorce - they got divorced in Escambia.

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml...se_id=35982120

[daisy7]

Rick needs to get on the editorial ball.

I believe these were 2 separate incidents - from the link:

Later that Summer, Tabatha Fausti violates a court order protecting the children, according to Brandon Fausti. The children are placed in foster care. Tabatha leaves the country for several months fleeing prosecution and missing several court dates.

[daisy7]

I guess this belongs here...

Thanks to faithful readers of the blog. More has been discovered about B. Fausti – ex-husband of T. Gonzalez, wife of the suspected killer of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

A follow up article was sent to me on the two men, a Navy sailor and Navy helicopter pilot, that faced court-martial over the beating death of hotel clerk in Ecuador. It identifies the pilot as Lt. B. Fausti – father of four.

(snipped)

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7085

[Lindadanette]

I posted all of this about Fausti (if it hasn't been deleted) within the first three days. . .
Now, if we could just name names, I'd name DDP.

[who knew?]

I posted all of this about Fausti (if it hasn't been deleted) within the first three days. . .
Now, if we could just name names, I'd name DDP.

Wow - you're the bravest poster on this site! :eek:

[passionflower]

I remember allot of deleted articles early on that are now truths..........aka media

[Miss Muffet]

I remember allot of deleted articles early on that are now truths..........aka media
Hey! I'm in Steeler Country too!

Isn't amazing how often an article becomes truth. The same thing is happening in the MJ case.

An article or news report initially seems to be gossip and then suddenly it's a bombshell.

Regardless, if inaccurate articles are published, the liability goes to the newspaper.

[passionflower]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/210663/page/1
3 page read

[Miss Muffet]

Wow! It looks like there's some weight to many of our suspicions from the very start!

Aside from validating that Billings was associated with shady business, I find the following two snippets very interesting:

Authorities haven't publicly addressed the possibility of a Tice connection. But the individual familiar with the investigation says that "all business associates of Billings's are persons of interest." Some of these associates have fled the area, the individual says, including one who's believed to have left the country.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/210663/page/3

One of the acquaintances says that someone in the sheriff's office told him that local law enforcement wasn't moving against Tice because he was cooperating with a federal agency in one of its investigations (the sheriff's office declined to comment).

http://www.newsweek.com/id/210663/page/3

[passionflower]

LPG jr and Tice were as close as father and son...........IMO, father like son.......same interests, same crimes, same type of person..........IMO

[passionflower]

Billings, Jr, Tabatha,Fausti,Tice all left country on many business deals....and where did the whole BILLINGS family take a crusie to (CARNIVAL) a couple weeks before they were murdered? Columbia???

[Gene]

Billings, Jr, Tabatha,Fausti,Tice all left country on many business deals....and where did the whole BILLINGS family take a crusie to (CARNIVAL) a couple weeks before they were murdered? Columbia???

I found evidence that they went in June 2008 on the Carnival Valor. That ship usually goes to Grand Cayman, Honduras, Belize and Mexico, not Columbia. I am not an expert on cruises, but if you are going to take a one week cruise out of Miami, where else are you going to go except the Caribbean? I can not imagine that Byrd and Melanie would go on a cruise to meet with Mafia and take a bunch of disabled kids with them. I could be wrong, but I think that cruise was for fun..

Post April 15, 2008
http://www.carnivalconnections.com/cruisetalk/forums/p/26853/82175.aspx

[Gene]

There is a report on Ricks Blog that LPG Jr previously tried to make a hit on someone else involved in the auto industry:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Anyone know if LPG Jr previously owned a Blue Ford Explorer??

[RiverPirate]

There is a report on Ricks Blog that LPG Jr previously tried to make a hit on someone else involved in the auto industry:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Anyone know if LPG Jr previously owned a Blue Ford Explorer??

Good question. Also, as much as all this relates to the car business, JR. would have access to all kinds of cars.Especially if this was during the time he was working on a car lot.

[megamami]

This is the guy whose website I read earlier (may have been discussed here?)
http://www.markturnerandfriends.com/ It is interesting that the theme of money laundering is there again. I think that is what is behind a lot of these characters.

From Rock's post: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169 BBM
"Turner is involved with a large civil case and is appealing a conviction on money laundering. He believes that the break-in is tied to those cases."

[Gene]

This is the guy whose website I read earlier (may have been discussed here?)
http://www.markturnerandfriends.com/ It is interesting that the theme of money laundering is there again. I think that is what is behind a lot of these characters.

From Rock's post: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169 BBM
"Turner is involved with a large civil case and is appealing a conviction on money laundering. He believes that the break-in is tied to those cases."


Yes, the website was discussed earlier. While Billings and Turner were in the used car industry....the question is, who would have wanted them BOTH killed?

[Spyglass]

There is a report on Ricks Blog that LPG Jr previously tried to make a hit on someone else involved in the auto industry:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Anyone know if LPG Jr previously owned a Blue Ford Explorer??

IIRC Gonzalez's mother reportedly told the man who sold the large red van that her son's vehicle had recently been repossessed. I don't remember a make/model being mentioned.

It seems people in the used car business would have limitless access to use of a used cars for their "errands," but if there was someone else calling the shots who was in the car business, I doubt they'd want a car connected with their businesses to be used.

[Dannybye]

a Ford Explorer and Ford Expedition are both suv's LPGj was reposssed that is his mother's was. What color was it? Are registry records open to the public?

[Gene]

Does anyone find it a coincidence that Donnie Stallworth, owns a tan Ford Explorer? As I recall, Tice said that JPG tried to borrow a van from him just before attacking the Billings

Investigators seized two black stocking caps, a pair of black gloves, four 12-gauge shot gun shells and numerous other items from a tan, Ford Explorer owned by 28-year-old Donald Stallworth.


http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/search-warrant-on-billings-murder-suspects-car/201088/Jul-22-2009_1-22-pm/

[cleo612]

Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. mentions contract hit, Tice and MS13:


In the course of the interview, Gonzalez stated “the car dealers just did not like Billings over business dealings and money issues.”

He went on to say, “that Cab Tice came to him and indicated that the group wanted Billings ‘whacked’, but he (Pat) refused the job.”

According to Chavers’ report: “When I asked him to name the car dealers again, Patrick responded that he wasn’t at the meeting, but had heard from Cab Tice that a Mr. Mantis, a Jerry Wood (who might be Mantis), a Phillips and a few others. Patrick also stated most of these men had nicknames and he wasn’t sure about their real names.”

More at link:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7200

[daisy7]

Apparently, taken from the document dump:



More at link:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7200

Here's the direct link to the report

http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

[Gene]

Wow!!!

On 7/12/09 LPG Jr said: "Cab Tice came to him and indicated that the group wanted Billings ‘whacked’, but he (Pat) refused the job.”

http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

On 7/22/09 : Sheriff's spokesman Ted Roy said Tuesday that investigators only considered a contract hit as a possibility for “a fleeting second during the initial phase of the investigation.”

“Could it still be a motive? I guess it could, but someone else other than the investigators assigned to the Billings case will have to investigate it because investigators working the Billings case sure don't believe so,” he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/22/crimesider/entry5179371.shtml

What were they (Sheriff and his Spokesman) thinking when they made that statement??

[megamami]

What were they (Sheriff and his Spokesman) thinking when they made that statement??

Of course, pure speculation on my part, but maybe he had lied about so many other things (including not being at the murder scene) that they didn't believe much else of what he said??

[lexus116]

I'm confused about something. LPG Jr admits to knowing and having a falling out Justin Billings. If it's true that Justin knew and had worked with LPG Jr in the past, how come the family was so adamant about not knowing or ever seeing LPG Jr before? It doesn't make sense.

If I'm reading the interview correctly, LPG Jr admitted to being used several times by other car dealers to "whack" others. Is that an admission to being previously hired to kill?

[megamami]

Does "whack" mean "kill"? I haven't seen that explained yet (but I would assume so.) Or does it mean 'break someone's legs', for instance?

[lexus116]

Does "whack" mean "kill"? I haven't seen that explained yet (but I would assume so.) Or does it mean 'break someone's legs', for instance?

I'm only assuming it does mean kill, because in the same document LPG Jr described Tice and the others as wanting the Billings to be "whacked".

[Solomisskitty]

I'm only assuming it does mean kill, because in the same document LPG Jr described Tice and the others as wanting the Billings to be "whacked".

Definition of whack per merriam-webster:
Main Entry: 1whack
Pronunciation: \ˈhwak, ˈwak\
Function: verb
Etymology: probably imitative of the sound of a blow
Date: 1719
transitive verb
1 a : to strike with a smart or resounding blow <whack the ball> b : to cut with or as if with a whack : chop
2 chiefly British : to get the better of : defeat
3 slang : murder, kill

[Spyglass]

In one of the investigative reports, Patrick Gonzalez Jr's aunt reportedly stated that if Patrick did something, then his brother (Richard, Atlanta) was also involved. Have we heard anything else about Richard?

[Spyglass]

I'm confused about something. LPG Jr admits to knowing and having a falling out Justin Billings. If it's true that Justin knew and had worked with LPG Jr in the past, how come the family was so adamant about not knowing or ever seeing LPG Jr before? It doesn't make sense.

If I'm reading the interview correctly, LPG Jr admitted to being used several times by other car dealers to "whack" others. Is that an admission to being previously hired to kill?

There are a couple of recent posts that indicate some sleuths believe Gonzalez is going for state witness/immunity/witness protection. Not unheard of since mob hitmen have received this in the past for testifying against their mob bosses.

[Lindadanette]

In one of the investigative reports, Patrick Gonzalez Jr's aunt reportedly stated that if Patrick did something, then his brother (Richard, Atlanta) was also involved. Have we heard anything else about Richard?

I thought Richard was LPG Sr.'s brother. To my knowlege, LPG onely as a step-sister. Now, that's not to say that Atlanta connection might not be a real humdinger. . . We've heard that LPG Jr lived in Atlanta in 2006, I wonder who he was "whacking" for there?

The one thing I do believe is that he was serious when he said that he was in deep.

[KeenEyes]

I thought Richard was LPG Sr.'s brother. To my knowlege, LPG onely as a step-sister. Now, that's not to say that Atlanta connection might not be a real humdinger. . . We've heard that LPG Jr lived in Atlanta in 2006, I wonder who he was "whacking" for there?

The one thing I do believe is that he was serious when he said that he was in deep.

"about 3 yrs ago" (2006?) is when Tice said, in the WEAR interview, that he and Jr. "reconnected"

[Gene]

I have read alot of the evidence, but have not stumbled upon this yet:

"One document says that a cell phone picture of a stolen safe was taken before the crimes and sent by Gonzalez, Jr. to the other defendants."

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/national/south/nat_wala_florida_evidence_released_in_billings_mur ders_20090818706_2776237

Has anyone found this? If so, please send a link.

So, where did LPG get the cell phone photo? Someone probably sent it to him by cell phone. That should be simple to trace. Whoever did it was the insider.

[Miss Muffet]

So, where did LPG get the cell phone photo? Someone probably sent it to him by cell phone. That should be simple to trace. Whoever did it was the insider.
I have always had a nagging feeling that someone inside the family might have been involved. It could have even been one of the victims....

[daisy7]

Does anyone believe Gonzalez Jr.?
Posted 8/18/2009 9:04 AM EDT on pnj.com Prod

The defense lawyer for Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. will have a tough time convincing anyone that the accused killer is telling the truth when he goes on trial for the slayings of Melanie and Byrd Billings.

Witnesses galore told investigators that they believed little or nothing that the martial arts expert told them about his tales of running guns and drugs and "whacking" people.

(snipped)

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=07eec01757274b258bd8932bad27b881&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a07eec01757274b258bd8932bad27b881 Post%3a65ed33ea-505f-4159-b433-8ff7127b56d8&sid=sitelife.pnj.com

[daisy7]

The getaway car was a gift from Mom
Posted 8/18/2009 11:13 AM EDT on pnj.com Prod

Here’s more proof that the people accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings weren’t even good gangsters: The getaway vehicle was a gift from Mama.

One getaway vehicle was a 1982 Dodge van which was bought by the mother of the alleged mastermind because his car was about to be repossessed, according to documents released Monday. Little did she know what it would ultimately be used for.

(snipped)

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=07eec01757274b258bd8932bad27b881&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a07eec01757274b258bd8932bad27b881 Post%3a07a333ce-25fe-4828-ba30-adc101d76a92&sid=sitelife.pnj.com

[Miss Muffet]

Witnesses galore told investigators that they believed little or nothing that the martial arts expert told them about his tales of running guns and drugs and "whacking" people.
While it's possibly true that people didn't believe him, often people will say they didn't believe someone after-the-fact because they feel guilty they didn't do anything to stop them.

It happens all the time after a mass shootings. The neighbors are always "he was a nice man, kept to himself, I never have imagined him doing this" because they fear they would look irresponsible for not doing something if they said, "I always knew there was something wrong with him, that he'd just snap one day and kill someone...."

[Solomisskitty]

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2007082349.pdf

On this link, it looks as if Regina McCartney was trying to have mother declared incompetent outside proper procedures and have Leonard, Sr. evicted from property that his father had given him (his father deceased), at least that's the way I'm reading.

I also noticed and found on Esc. Clerk's site that mother's will is in probate. The aunt was one of the first to interview on national media re: LPG, Sr. and Jr. and now she is pointing a finger at another brother? My sisters don't act that way. Makes one wonder if Regina has a hidden agenda, i.e. greed maybe??

[UnderDog]

After robbing the credit union, the robber fled into the woods and was seen driving off in a large red SUV. A local reporter covering the robbery wrote at the time, “the robber apparently planned the heist meticulously and knew the lay of the land.” No arrest has been in this crime either. <snip>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-26/florida-killings-ninja-connection/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

Carol Brant says LPG, jr owns a burgundy Ford Expedition. File #5. The bank robbery was last November.

[UnderDog]

Interesting. The woman that hired LPG, jr to get "dirt" on her husband was identified as "Rita" during the questioning with junior's wife. I had seen comments on various sites that had some wild theories about who the "mystery client" may have been. File 2 page 31

[Lindadanette]

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2007082349.pdf

On this link, it looks as if Regina McCartney was trying to have mother declared incompetent outside proper procedures and have Leonard, Sr. evicted from property that his father had given him (his father deceased), at least that's the way I'm reading.

I also noticed and found on Esc. Clerk's site that mother's will is in probate. The aunt was one of the first to interview on national media re: LPG, Sr. and Jr. and now she is pointing a finger at another brother? My sisters don't act that way. Makes one wonder if Regina has a hidden agenda, i.e. greed maybe??


Oh Yeah!!!!! A while back I posted her comment on their departed mother's legacy guest book. . . it was bizarre - she thinks she entitled to everything because she took care of her mom at the end of her life.

I can't find it now - but I'm sure it's on here somewhere!

[Lindadanette]

Interesting. The woman that hired LPG, jr to get "dirt" on her husband was identified as "Rita" during the questioning with junior's wife. I had seen comments on various sites that had some wild theories about who the "mystery client" may have been. File 2 page 31

That one has been pretty much verified. . . She's got an interesting case file in Santa Rosa records. . .

[Solomisskitty]

Oh Yeah!!!!! A while back I posted her comment on their departed mother's legacy guest book. . . it was bizarre - she thinks she entitled to everything because she took care of her mom at the end of her life.

I can't find it now - but I'm sure it's on here somewhere!

Yes! - I saw that...don't know where tho. What kind of person is going to brag about taking care of their own mother in her last years???

Frank Gonzalez, brother, also interviewed along w/Regina in media and in released documents made accusations against LPG, SR.

Link w/Esc. Clerk states Esc. Co. pressed charges against Frank, not LPG, Sr. as Frank stated to deputy in interview documents. A "Nolle Prosequi" was filed when LPG, Sr. was arrested, but it looks like it's ongoing.
Looks to me that McCartney and F. Gonzalez have their own agendas going on.

Some family love going on there.....NOT!!

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=95031364

[RiverPirate]

megamami had posted this in the Media Links page.

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_s...vid_3386.shtml

More Evidence Released from Billings' Murder Case

<snipped>
Channel Three's Dan Thomas just spoke to the sheriff. He joins us now with the latest. Dan?

Earlier in our 4 o'clock show, I asked Sheriff David Morgan about a disturbing statement by Gonzalez Junior in a document released yesterday apparently admitting to having been a hitman in the past. To quote "whack" folks. For a group of local car dealers.

Today, I asked Sheriff David Morgan about that statement.

Dan Thomas/Reporter: "Is he the subject of any other death investigations that you know of?"

Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "We have received some inquiries from some other law enforcement agencies in the United States and outside the United States as it applies to this gentleman and we're providing that information to other law enforcement agencies."




Seems like another sleuther had mentioned earlier there was evidence Jr. was involved in some other murders. Wonder if this has to do with Al Garza?

[mikeysmommom]

That one has been pretty much verified. . . She's got an interesting case file in Santa Rosa records. . .

Weeks ago IIRC but I think it was also deleted way back then.Very interesting case file.
:blowkiss:

[Miss Muffet]

Weeks ago IIRC but I think it was also deleted way back then.Very interesting case file.
:blowkiss:
Can we get them back?

[Lindadanette]

Can we get them back?

http://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=57&data=ef5219116be5278677bef921797fe3da

Also quite a number of malpractice suits on Escambia. . .

[Miss Muffet]

http://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=57&data=ef5219116be5278677bef921797fe3da

Also quite a number of malpractice suits on Escambia. . .
Thanks! What name do I search? She's only referenced as 'her' and 'Rita' in this thread.

[Lindadanette]

Thanks! What name do I search? She's only referenced as 'her' and 'Rita' in this thread.

Mullet, Means, Meeks . . .

[4Kat]

I found this myspace page today. It sure looks like jr. Last log in was May. It is set to private, so I cannot see anything. Any usefulness or does it really matter at this point?

http://www.myspace.com/PatrickGonzalezShihan

[pinkinablueworld]

Mullet, Means, Meeks . . .


How could I have MISSED this interesting person completely? I "knew" her through my children, as they attended the same school years ago. When I saw "MD" I knew:) In a way, she looks like Pam Long, well both in their younger days. Tall, Blonde, Dominating! LPGJr didn't have a shortage of women around him... I also think he had a pretty good supply of Loratab for sale, as been mentioned by many of the people interviewed! Wonder why he could never pay the rent. I can't believe all the eviction filings on Escambia Clerk of the Court! He had the system figured out there.

[megamami]

I have read alot of the evidence, but have not stumbled upon this yet:

"One document says that a cell phone picture of a stolen safe was taken before the crimes and sent by Gonzalez, Jr. to the other defendants."

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/national/south/nat_wala_florida_evidence_released_in_billings_mur ders_20090818706_2776237

Has anyone found this? If so, please send a link.

So, where did LPG get the cell phone photo? Someone probably sent it to him by cell phone. That should be simple to trace. Whoever did it was the insider.

This reference is not from anyone currently arrested, but by the dude that was repeatedly recruited by Jr. It is unclear by this statement where it originated from or if it was an actual picture of the Billings safe or just another safe, pictured opened, with lots of money coming out.

http://pnj.com/assets/pdf/DP140684817.PDF
Starting on page 14 is a statement from LSmith, on page pg 41/doc#751, he mentions a picture of a safe full of money on his cell phone sent from Jr.;

[yeknomaras]

I found this myspace page today. It sure looks like jr. Last log in was May. It is set to private, so I cannot see anything. Any usefulness or does it really matter at this point?

http://www.myspace.com/PatrickGonzalezShihan

is it him?

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

[Lossmitpro]

That absolutely is a picture of Pat Poff.

[yeknomaras]

That absolutely is a picture of Pat Poff.

awesome, and great work 4Kat.

too bad we can't see the profile.

[4Kat]

is it him?

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

Thanks for enlarging that pic. I don't know how to do that.

Sure looks like him!

[yeknomaras]

Thanks for enlarging that pic. I don't know how to do that.

Sure looks like him!

a little tidbit for enlarging myspace pics -

In Firefox, right click the photo and select "View image"

The in the address bar you will see the file name, it will look like this:

http ://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/m_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

where the "m" is - that means medium. if it says "s" - that means small. Just change it to "l" for large, like this:

http ://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

and tada, a bigger pic :)

[4Kat]

a little tidbit for enlarging myspace pics -

In Firefox, right click the photo and select "View image"

The in the address bar you will see the file name, it will look like this:

http ://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/m_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

where the "m" is - that means medium. if it says "s" - that means small. Just change it to "l" for large, like this:

http ://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

and tada, a bigger pic :)
Thanks again and so easy to do!

[Gene]

Shihan is a Japanese term, often used in Japanese martial arts as an honorific title for expert or senior instructors. The term is frequently used interchangeably with English terms such as "master instructor".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shihan

[Miss Muffet]

honorific
This is my word for the day! It's new to me! I always appreciate learning something new each day! :woohoo:

[Sola.N]

I read in the interview with one of LPG's friends that LPG called him 13 times the day of the murders. I'm not sure I've ever called a single person 13 times in one day. Was he on drugs or something?

[Spyglass]

is it him?

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_ce6713de49ebf399edf1f938d3feecba.jpg

The photographer had to lie on the floor to make him look taller.

[fran]

I read in the interview with one of LPG's friends that LPG called him 13 times the day of the murders. I'm not sure I've ever called a single person 13 times in one day. Was he on drugs or something?

That friend's statement looked like he was on drugs, fir-shir. ;)
He was all over the place. I'm not sure I believe him.
Heck, I'm not sure I believe any of these witnesses or alleged perps!:eek:

:crazy:
fran

[passionflower]

according to ricksblog...........JR and SR are racists.......but NEEDED Stallworth and Sumner because they were experts in HOME INVASIONS!

[Lossmitpro]

Mr. Braggart Pat Poff and a certain "heavyset blonde woman" (!) went up to Ft Walton when 5th Dim was in trouble with their lease... making noise like they were gonna start a motorcycle shop in that location:


http://media2.fox10tv.com/billings/PublicRecord2.pdf

The rent check for the past due rent was paid by a check from "Pam Long" and in the memo said "5th Dimension rent"

The twists and turns just never end with this not-so-private, not-so-clever gang.

[Lossmitpro]

The BS and the recruiting just never stopped with Pat Poff:

Eisa acknowledged that approximately 2 1/2 months ago he was approached by Leonard "Patrick" Gonzalez about participating in a home invasion robbery. Gonzalez described to him an elderly drug dealer who was a multi-millionaire. According to Gonzalez, the subject owned a large vault style safe, as big as a room. Gonzalez indicated there may be a couple of children present in the residence, but told Eisa that he would only be required to wait outside while he went inside for the money. Gonzalez also informed Eisa that the subject was linked to the Mexican Mafia, but did not elaborate further.
http://media2.fox10tv.com/billings/PublicRecord1.pdf

[LaceSprocket]

This may have been answered before, I've looked and can't find it.

LPG Jr. former name was Patrick Poff. Poff was the last name of his stepfather. LP Jr. changed it to Gonzales - who is his bio father.

So my question is... Does L. Patrick Jr. have any full blood siblings? In other words, did Terri (Poff) and Leonard Gonzales Sr. have any other children?

[megamami]

This is not verifiable in itself, but adds fuel to the idea that LPG Jr. may have abused drugs (along with PLW). There is a 'Jaw1848' alleging that Jr. and PWL were doctor shopping and when turned away, LPG Jr threatened the staff and doctor, asking for their address even.
( there are several posts explaining and the posts seem credible, though no way to veify who is posting):

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090823.pnj.DP908230324.article.NEWS01&s=d,d&page=13#pluckcomments

"LPGjr was a patient (now we know he was breaking the law selling his meds--another charge should be added) and he brought Pamela Long in in June without an appt and waited for 5 hours trying to get us to see her. We refused. She obviously was "dr shopping". When he was told no, the change in his demeanor was scary. He was very belligerent. He told me he "could disable me with one blow". He always talked big of how important he was and this and that. He would go on an on."

[Solomisskitty]

This may have been answered before, I've looked and can't find it.

LPG Jr. former name was Patrick Poff. Poff was the last name of his stepfather. LP Jr. changed it to Gonzales - who is his bio father.

So my question is... Does L. Patrick Jr. have any full blood siblings? In other words, did Terri (Poff) and Leonard Gonzales Sr. have any other children?

Gonzalez not Gonzales. Patrick is an only child.

[Maggie22]

IIRC, In the statement from one of the relatives (?) across the street from Sr., it was said that Jr. had a brother from Atlanta and that they were close. It went on to say that if Jr. were involved the brother was probably involved, as well. I will try to find it again to link it.

[megamami]

IIRC, In the statement from one of the relatives (?) across the street from Sr., it was said that Jr. had a brother from Atlanta and that they were close. It went on to say that if Jr. were involved the brother was probably involved, as well. I will try to find it again to link it.

Yes, I remember that, also! I think it was the other aunt who said it though (was her name Regina?) The sister of Gonz. Sr that also had the family dispute over her mother's care/estate. I'll look also. But I clearly remember that statement because a lot of things seem to link back to Atlanta. Could be a coincidence though.
I haven't seen any other suspects mention the brother.

[megamami]

Interesting comment on Rick's Blog by "Willing To Say":
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7265#comment-258661

"Gonzalez is a self proclaimed specialist in counter-ops so he knows to only disclose dead leads to protect his Contract and his family. Morgan knows better than to chase after a FWB trail. The State Attorney’s Office and some affiliated deputies will be more than willing to provide details that support movement away from the Contract. Locate the Contract and all the dominoes tumble. Morgan’s on the right track with Pam’s connection to the local car dealers."

What do you think about this theory? Jr. is just giving bogus information to throw them off the real trail and to keep his immediate family safe.
(Side note: And I guess a question for the PLW thread would be does she have direct connections to the car dealers? I'll post that there.)

[Lindadanette]

IIRC, In the statement from one of the relatives (?) across the street from Sr., it was said that Jr. had a brother from Atlanta and that they were close. It went on to say that if Jr. were involved the brother was probably involved, as well. I will try to find it again to link it.


LPG Sr has a brother in Georgia, Richard is his name. :)

[RiverPirate]

Interesting comment on Rick's Blog by "Willing To Say":
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7265#comment-258661

"Gonzalez is a self proclaimed specialist in counter-ops so he knows to only disclose dead leads to protect his Contract and his family. Morgan knows better than to chase after a FWB trail. The State Attorney’s Office and some affiliated deputies will be more than willing to provide details that support movement away from the Contract. Locate the Contract and all the dominoes tumble. Morgan’s on the right track with Pam’s connection to the local car dealers."

What do you think about this theory? Jr. is just giving bogus information to throw them off the real trail and to keep his immediate family safe.
(Side note: And I guess a question for the PLW thread would be does she have direct connections to the car dealers? I'll post that there.)

Seems logical that even Jr. would care about his wife and kids. Question may come down to does he fry, or does his talking keep him out of the chair?

[Maggie22]

In one of the investigative reports, Patrick Gonzalez Jr's aunt reportedly stated that if Patrick did something, then his brother (Richard, Atlanta) was also involved. Have we heard anything else about Richard?


Gotta go to work, will look at reports later.

[Maggie22]

http://weartv.com/newsroom/documents/billings12.pdf

Here is the aunt's statement about Jr.'s brother. It is in Weartv, Part 14 (page 180) in case the link doesn't work.

[pinkinablueworld]

"Regina Gonzalez reported that she was the sister of LGSr and advised that she wanted to make sure that LE was aware LPGJr has a brother in Atlanta, GA and due to the closeness of the brothers feels that if Jr is involved his brother, Richard Gonzalez, is likely involved as well." She also provided his Atlanta telephone number.

[Solomisskitty]

http://www.escambiaso.com/SmartWebClient/jail.aspx

Aggravated battery added to charges for LPG, Jr.

[megamami]

I wonder if this is related to the case or something that was done in jail?

[4Kat]

I wonder if this is related to the case or something that was done in jail?

According to the online court records, this happened while he was in jail.

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=61281808

The offense occurred 9/26/09. Arrest date is 10/15/09.
Charge: Aggravated Battery Person uses a deadly weapon.

I wonder what happened?

[megamami]

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_4618.shtml

According to this video, where the news anchors are summarizing the information and interviews from the recent document dump, Hugh Wiggins testified that Gonzalez Jr. may have been involved in a Gulf Breeze Robbery.

I remember when www.ricksblog.biz was also reporting info (buzz) about that.

Those interviews also consistently point to Jr. as the planner and the shooter. Thornton (the 19 yo) said Jr. said that Thornton and his family would be killed if Thornton said anything about the murder/robbery.

Jr. claims his dad has brain damage but his dad's interview seems pretty clear and truthful compared to the snippets I have seen of Jr.'s interviews.

[RiverPirate]

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_4618.shtml

According to this video, where the news anchors are summarizing the information and interviews from the recent document dump, Hugh Wiggins testified that Gonzalez Jr. may have been involved in a Gulf Breeze Robbery.



I know there was at least one bank robbery in GB in which the suspect wore a black ninja type disguise. I'm pretty sure there was actually 2 GB bank robberies w the black ninja garb.

[Solomisskitty]

I know there was at least one bank robbery in GB in which the suspect wore a black ninja type disguise. I'm pretty sure there was actually 2 GB bank robberies w the black ninja garb.

See http://ricksblog.biz/ - July 27th - he did report on 2 bank robberies.

[pbee]

Charge: Aggravated Battery Person uses a deadly weapon. I wonder what happened?

Often the deadly weapons charge results when a "martial arts expert" hits someone.

[Solomisskitty]

Often the deadly weapons charge results when a "martial arts expert" hits someone.

Can any local get the info on this incident since it happened inside the jail?

[NSC]

I read on the PNJ comments. The new charges that LPG faces are due to Mark Turner bringing charges on him for his attempted home invasion or whatever you want to call it. I am not certain if this is the case but it sure would explain where those charges came from!!!

[NSC]

Can any local get the info on this incident since it happened inside the jail?

A few of us were exploring this idea. However, I think his charges would be more serious and on a federal level. Not to mention if you check where LPG is housed, it is in a low risk section of the prison. Which is VERY strange. This open bay or something similar. Anyway, if LPG goes nuts on a prisoner and injures them it opens up ESCO for a giant law-suit for him around the low risk inmates. I don't know this is something I have been explained by someone who knows and understands that jail. I don't think his new charges are the jailhouse but possibly from the Mark Turner case.

[daisy7]

I don't know how it could be related to M. Turner. The offense date is when Jr. was in jail and he never attacked M. Turner with anything, IIRC.

[daisy7]

Patrick Gonzalez Jr., the man believed to have killed Byrd and Melanie Billings during a home invasion, has been charged with stabbing a fellow inmate in Escambia County Jail.

Gonzalez, jailed since July, following the home invasion and killing of the couple, has been charged with aggravated assault for stabbing a fellow inmate with a pencil.

(snipped)

http://pnj.com/article/20091022/NEWS01/91022021

hopefully, they'll put up the arrest report

[daisy7]

Jr.'s audio statement after he was arrested

http://www.pnj.com/assets/mp3/DP1449821022.MP3

[Solomisskitty]

Let's see now, LPG, Jr. attacked a female officer when he was confined in Santa Rosa County, I've heard he sent 5 inmates to the infirmary when they all jumped him during a previous incarceration in Escambia Co., now a pencil stabbing while in jail. With his penchant for violence and as well spoken as he seems to be, it makes sense that he could convince the other suspects that if they did not go along for the ride that their families' and personal safeties' were all at risk - if not from outsiders then from Patrick himself.

[megamami]

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_s...vid_4646.shtml
Wiggins Interrogation Reveals More About Gonzalez's Past

"The man who gave authorities inside information about the murders of Bud and Melanie Billings says the alleged trigger man, Patrick Gonzalez, Junior, also robbed a local bank, and may have committed other crimes"

Hugh Wiggins alleges Gonz Jr. buried a body and tried to take down a coke dealer but police never confirm.

[NSC]

Guess I was wrong, that is what I get for reading the PNJ comments!

[Solomisskitty]

ECCO has an entry that a petition was filed by the defense for LPG Jr. for a "confidential expert witness". Psychiatrist maybe for an insanity plea?
http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=29346966

[lookin4justice]

(sound of head banging on the table)