WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #8

[SeriouslySearching]

Please continue here:

[scandi]

Please continue here:

Thanks SS, I hope tonight we will learn about something positive that can be verified and will help find her very soon ;}

[SeriouslySearching]

Moved over from thread #7:

What does this post mean on her guest book? Did I miss that she has 3 other siblings?:

Tena A*****


07/21/2009
20:21 h
Lindsey, I want you to know that L****, B*******, and A***** are praying for your safe return! It has been hard on them to know that their sister and brother is going through this hell!! We all pray for your safe return! Scott our thoughts are with you and Melissa as well.

http://www.findlindseybaum.com/31001.html

I think Scott has a new family in Tennessee - likely Lindsey has half-brothers & half-sisters

I'm guessing that is Scotts wife and they are either half or step siblings..

Scott (goes by Greg) and his new wife were married less than 2 weeks before Lindsey disappeared.

I'm confused though.. her myspace talks about "taking her step daughter" to the airport on July 14

How many families does Scott have?

the L child mentioned in the note has the last name B. older than lb.
facebook.

Ok, so I think I have this figured out. Scott has at least 5 kids (the three mentioned in the guest book--T is the mom to those three), Lindsey and Josh (by Melissa) and then his current (new) wife has two children from a former marriage/relationship.

[JenniferO]

I'm amazed at the incorrect info that a "local" is posting over at SM. It's like she's trying to send everyone on a wild goose chase. Bizarre.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL I never read over there. I prefer our resident locals' information. ;)

[JenniferO]

Do me a favor.. Do these areas look anything alike?
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8072/16858481.jpg


http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7775/elmawa2.jpg

OMG.. I just figured out the area she posted. Doesn't make any sense at all. How'd she get that and where she says the picture is of.. mixed up?

[SeriouslySearching]

I would like to find out more about all the 3 other brothers and sisters that Lindsey has and their ages. I would have to assume they are all older...but how old? It would also appear by that post from their mom that they do have some relationship with Lindsey and her brother. How strange we are only finding out about them now!

[SeriouslySearching]

No, they look nothing alike! Unless they tore the fairgrounds down and started rebuilding it with first getting rid of the highways...that is not the same place at all, imo.

[Normcar21]

Congratulations on the return of your son, Jennifer, even moreso when he steps off the aircraft and embraces you.

SS, a candle light vigil here, on the same night, to me sounds like an "excellent" idea, the locals gather physically and "we" all who can't be their physically can gather in some above the physical way.

[JenniferO]

I would like to find out more about all the 3 other brothers and sisters that Lindsey has and their ages. I would have to assume they are all older...but how old? It would also appear by that post from their mom that they do have some relationship with Lindsey and her brother. How strange we are only finding out about them now!

I can only find one.. L (mentioned in the guest book). She is 17 and lives in Utah. You can find her myspace (private) by looking for the mom (public myspace, name in guestbook). She is on her friends list (so is Scott/Greg and his new wife-public with some private areas)

[Normcar21]

Can anyone find a vehicle ownership for FL this year? I'd just like to find out if it's white. Just a request if anyone knows how to legally access such records

[JenniferO]

No, they look nothing alike! Why?

She posted the second picture saying it was the Elma Fairgrounds (not sure why she didn't really explain). The first picture is of the fairgrounds. Her picture is of the high school here in Montesano.

I don't know how she got them mixed up.

She also talks about some man and something that happened with her. If I'm correct.. she has the wrong name. Yet she's trying to make it sound like he is Mark (the drunk the JVK ran into). Saying he is connected to Larson Road and everything.

She's giving me the creeps for some reason. I don't understand why she is giving out false info.

[JenniferO]

Thank you Normcar, Dates were confirmed today. I can't wait until he's home.

And I think I might be able to get the car info (not positive.. gotta make some calls tomorrow). No promises but I will try.

Legally of course ;)

[Normcar21]

Jennifer, that's who I thought you were referring to. Thanks for clarifying it.

[SeriouslySearching]

SS, a candle light vigil here, on the same night, to me sounds like an "excellent" idea, the locals gather physically and "we" all who can't be their physically can gather in some above the physical way.On the 25th, I will start a Candlelight Vigil thread here and those wanting to participate can do so! I have my candles and the prayer to St. Anthony ready (and no...not Catholic...but sure believe in that prayer!).

[Normcar21]

What a great idea SS, I applaud you, even though it's simply symbolic, it will definitely generate a few emotions here and inspirations to keep on keepin' on, and for the sake of Lindsey.

GREAT idea! I'll be there, in spades

[SeriouslySearching]

She posted the second picture saying it was the Elma Fairgrounds (not sure why she didn't really explain). The first picture is of the fairgrounds. Her picture is of the high school here in Montesano.

I don't know how she got them mixed up.

She also talks about some man and something that happened with her. If I'm correct.. she has the wrong name. Yet she's trying to make it sound like he is Mark (the drunk the JVK ran into). Saying he is connected to Larson Road and everything.

She's giving me the creeps for some reason. I don't understand why she is giving out false info.It doesn't make any sense. Who knows why people do some things tho? Attention maybe?

[Normcar21]

Jennifer, one thing that I appreciate about what I perceive in your nature is that you have the ability to be both objective and subjective, and you can turn it on and off when it is necessary. I appreciate that very much when reading your posts because you are able to be objective when objectivity is required, without attention to subjective things like emotion. You tell it like it is, and ask questions and answer them like it is, that is a fabulous talent, indeed, imo.

Supersleuthe characteristics, imo. It's something that is important for detectives, who are human, but keep the goal in mind, and sometimes need to get extremely objective in the search for the motive, method, and opportunity.

I think this is the reason you are so bothered by a whole lot of "emotional" speculation from time to time, and I agree with you, it smokes up the view.

[Normcar21]

Anyway, if someone can pick up some MVB info about Fes..., it would be very interesting to me

[Normcar21]

The white car seems to me to be important, if FL owns a white car then that is something to consider. He has clearly demonstrated that he is both a bad driver and a drunk who has no problem jumping into a vehicle when intoxicated. He is related to ML, may have even lived in the ML residence during the time of their occupation of that rental property. The local kids chat about this "white" car that drives around trying to pick up young girls. One girl admits that this person has DUI convictions, 5, but she may have been exaggerating. 2 would be enough, surely, over a 2 year period, that this guy has problems with driving drunk. And he seems to live in town.

[scandi]

Thank you Normcar, Dates were confirmed today. I can't wait until he's home.

And I think I might be able to get the car info (not positive.. gotta make some calls tomorrow). No promises but I will try.

Legally of course ;)

http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif I think that's a good idea about the car too. It would just be another COINKYDINK, and enough of those add up!

[SeriouslySearching]

Since we learned that the FBI possibly has this case now...we won't be hearing much of anything. In a way I am glad they took it over, but they are always so darned tight lipped about it.

Remind me now where the white car came into play?

[CajunGirl]

i sure wish we had some new information!!!!!!

[Normcar21]

Since we learned that the FBI possibly has this case now...we won't be hearing much of anything. In a way I am glad they took it over, but they are always so darned tight lipped about it.

Remind me now where the white car came into play?

Correct me if I'm wrong but past posts from kids have chatted about some guy running around McCleary in a white car, trying to pick up kids. If that isn't correct, then I sincerely apologize for my input.

[scandi]

What a great idea SS, I applaud you, even though it's simply symbolic, it will definitely generate a few emotions here and inspirations to keep on keepin' on, and for the sake of Lindsey.

GREAT idea! I'll be there, in spades

Me too Norm, with bells on my toes.

BTW, I saw the very well put together post you wrote on another thread and will take some time tonight to throw in some ideas. It was a great compilation that really does tell a story. xox

[Normcar21]

Cut and paste...

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

Link - http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Oh-17w3ElnUJ:*************.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D5541.620+white+car+lindsey+bau m&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

[scandi]

Since we learned that the FBI possibly has this case now...we won't be hearing much of anything. In a way I am glad they took it over, but they are always so darned tight lipped about it.

Remind me now where the white car came into play?

I don't think anything about the white car is quotable and probably RUMOR. It could have come from a MS page, another site or a comment in the paper that Lindsey thought she was being followed by a white car and that one of her friends had a man in a white car stop her and offer her something {can't remember what, maybe to drive the car}.

I never thought that was true as girls that age are very impressionable. It would be a good question for Cyber to ask Sheli if he ever sees her again.

[scandi]

The white car seems to me to be important, if FL owns a white car then that is something to consider. He has clearly demonstrated that he is both a bad driver and a drunk who has no problem jumping into a vehicle when intoxicated. He is related to ML, may have even lived in the ML residence during the time of their occupation of that rental property. The local kids chat about this "white" car that drives around trying to pick up young girls. One girl admits that this person has DUI convictions, 5, but she may have been exaggerating. 2 would be enough, surely, over a 2 year period, that this guy has problems with driving drunk. And he seems to live in town.

Norm, We learned earlier today about someone in McCleary who has several DUI's. Now I can't think of his name. I'll have to try and find it tonight and stick it somewhere not to lose it. He wasn't an SO.

[Normcar21]

checking out the ownership of a "white" car with someone who is relative to the crime would be, yes, incidental, but something to consider if the registration clarified the color. If the color was "red" then complete elimination would be the result

[Normcar21]

Norm, We learned earlier today about someone in McCleary who has several DUI's. Now I can't think of his name. I'll have to try and find it tonight and stick it somewhere not to lose it. He wasn't an SO.

Thanks so much

[SeriouslySearching]

While I am thinking about it, the website for Lindsey did say that it was being done by "friends and family of Lindsey". However, I found it strange the only photos that had been put up were the ones the media used. Does anyone else think this is a bit odd if the family were part of the website? I recall on Kara Koptesky's site from her family and friends, there were TONS of photos put on there which you could tell came from intimate affairs she attended with them.

[Normcar21]

Just because he wasn't registered as a SO means nothing, is there anyone in McCleary with any criminal background who drives a white vehicle? That's a suggestion to investigate. Any drunks in McCleary to me are potentials. I am just offering suggestions, I apologize if my ideas are ridiculous.

[Normcar21]

Come home Lindsey

[not_my_kids]

What bank was the reward fund set up through?
TIA

[not_my_kids]

Normcar - stop apologizing in every post. We want you here, if they put up with me this long, WS will happily put up with you.

[Normcar21]

SS will celebrate you, a world embraces you
All in WS will cry because you are not yet found
And we will celebrate you and love you

[Normcar21]

Nmk, thanks

[Normcar21]

All at WS will share this love for Lindsey, please, anyone who has other things to do, stop, and share, because the spiritual experience is necessary
The power and essence of all of us

[Normcar21]

Please, everyone, attend to this expression

[mysticrose]

What bank was the reward fund set up through?
TIA


Here you go NMK..:crazy:

Donations can be made at any Timberland Bank branch in the name Lindsey Baum. Donation money will be used to continue the search for Lindsey with private parties. Times are tough we know, but even just a dollar helps!
Cards, letters, and donations can be mailed to:
Lindsey Baum
PO Box 1124
Elma, WA 98541

Wrong one look at post below..sorry :)

[mysticrose]

Sorry wrong one here it ...lets try again shall we..lol

reward fund you can visit any
Sterling Savings Bank location and tell them you'd like to donate to the "Lindsey Baum Reward Fund."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1969322/lighting_the_way_for_missing_11_year_pg2.html?cat= 9

[SeriouslySearching]

Norm~ Put down the wine glass. ;) LOL

[mysticrose]

It seems to me that this ML gal would be close to Lindsey if what she posts is true,
now her husband is FL correct?

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, FL is her husband, but I think his son is another FL. I get so confused since we can't use their flipping names tho~

[JenniferO]

Jennifer, one thing that I appreciate about what I perceive in your nature is that you have the ability to be both objective and subjective, and you can turn it on and off when it is necessary. I appreciate that very much when reading your posts because you are able to be objective when objectivity is required, without attention to subjective things like emotion. You tell it like it is, and ask questions and answer them like it is, that is a fabulous talent, indeed, imo.

Supersleuthe characteristics, imo. It's something that is important for detectives, who are human, but keep the goal in mind, and sometimes need to get extremely objective in the search for the motive, method, and opportunity.

I think this is the reason you are so bothered by a whole lot of "emotional" speculation from time to time, and I agree with you, it smokes up the view.

Thank you for the compliment, Norm. I've always been drawn to things like this.. whether it be PI work, reading true crime books, watching tv programs on the subject or doing "riddles" that I was given clues and I had to solve it to move on.

My father always told me that reading all of those true crime books when I was a teen would come in handy someday. He said I'd either solve crimes or commit perfect ones.
I would hope solving would be the path I took (although raising 4 boys there were times where I would have loved to pull off the "perfect crime" ;) )

[boondock]

Cut and paste...

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

Link - http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Oh-17w3ElnUJ:*************.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D5541.620+white+car+lindsey+bau m&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

I don't know of any other reference to a white car except this one. I find it odd that ML is the person saying it if it's FL that has the white car.

It still might be interesting to find out what kind of vehicle FL drives though.

[mysticrose]

Yes, FL is her husband, but I think his son is another FL. I get so confused since we can't use their flipping names tho~

Thank YOu SS...:)

[scandi]

Here you go NMK..:crazy:

Donations can be made at any Timberland Bank branch in the name Lindsey Baum. Donation money will be used to continue the search for Lindsey with private parties. Times are tough we know, but even just a dollar helps!
Cards, letters, and donations can be mailed to:
Lindsey Baum
PO Box 1124
Elma, WA 98541

Wrong one look at post below..sorry :)

Hi Mysticrose, Did you read about a Sterling Bank in McCleary that had set up something for her? It sticks in my mind and I read it today. Of course I could be completely :crazy: and it for another case! LOL

ETA: Oops, I should have read all the posts before writing that.

[scandi]

Yes, FL is her husband, but I think his son is another FL. I get so confused since we can't use their flipping names tho~


I think they have #'s , like FL3, FL2, etc.

[McCleary]

Hi Mysticrose, Did you read about a Sterling Bank in McCleary that had set up something for her? It sticks in my mind and I read it today. Of course I could be completely :crazy: and it for another case! LOL

There's a sign posted on a telephone pole near the park about an account at the local bank for her family...

[scandi]

Norm~ Put down the wine glass. ;) LOL

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Couldn't help it! ;} {And said in all good spirit! }

[mysticrose]

There's a sign posted on a telephone pole near the park about an account at the local bank for her family...

Thank you I figured out I posted the wrong bank but reposted with the correct one in post #41 I think lol...For the reward fund that is...

[mysticrose]

Now did we figure out when these two moved ML, FL or if they have? TIA

[McCleary]

Now did we figure out when these two moved ML, FL or if they have? TIA

They had to have moved somewhere from the last address anyone found for them because the mobile homes are no longer there.

[LotsaLatte]

I think they have #'s , like FL3, FL2, etc.

I think there are 2 or 3 but the two that we post about - doesn't one end in "er" and the other end in "us?" I read that somewhere - let me go check.

Okay, just checked. I saw it as a possible alias or something. So I think they are either the 2nd & 3rd or 3rd and 4th???

[not_my_kids]

Why are there reward funds at 2 different banks? Are they both legit?

Did I miss something again?

ETA: Oh I think I figured it out. One is the reward fund and the other is the family support fund, right?

[mysticrose]

The address I find so far is

343 S First St
McCleary, WA 98557-9527

Any one know if this is current? I'll also keep looking..TIA

[mysticrose]

Why are there reward funds at 2 different banks? Are they both legit?

Did I miss something again?

Only one bank..I posted the correct bank for the reward fund in post # 41.
Sorry for the confusion NMK..One is for donations and the other for the reward fund. :bang:

[SeriouslySearching]

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Couldn't help it! ;} {And said in all good spirit! }Yes...it was said in good spirit and fun. I saw he was getting sentimental and poetic which is how I get when I sip wine hence the comment. ;) I didn't mean anything bad, Norm~ Just joshing around with you. :blowkiss:

[mysticrose]

I think there are 2 or 3 but the two that we post about - doesn't one end in "er" and the other end in "us?" I read that somewhere - let me go check.

Thats what I found as well. I wonder if "er" is the husband or if it is "us" ? lol..:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

The address I find so far is

343 S First St
McCleary, WA 98557-9527

Any one know if this is current? I'll also keep looking..TIAI believe if you look on the last thread about in the middle you will find they exhausted those addresses already. The last one ended up in what is now an empty lot where trailers used to be.

[breanna]

Ya I'm a little confused as to the banks. I missed something apparently. Which bank can you donate at?

Sterling or Timberland?

You people move too fast for me. You're like the Energizer Bunny's LOL. You keep going and going. I can't stay awake past a few pages of posts and miss everything!

[JenniferO]

The address I find so far is

343 S First St
McCleary, WA 98557-9527

Any one know if this is current? I'll also keep looking..TIA

This house was foreclosed on and sold in early June 09

[LotsaLatte]

Thats what I found as well. I wonder if "er" is the husband or if it is "us" ? lol..:confused:

Not sure but I just looked and saw ending in "er" as a possible alias (could be a type somewhere way back, who knows?) and then dropping the "F" and ending in "us". So I think human error in paperwork comes into play.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thats what I found as well. I wonder if "er" is the husband or if it is "us" ? lol..:confused:And there is an "us III", too. (I believe that is correct.)

Btw~ Did someone watch too much Gunsmoke back in the day or what?! :bang:

[mysticrose]

Ok I found another for FL but no full address in Neah Bay, WA. Do we know if they left McCleary? TIA

[SeriouslySearching]

Ya I'm a little confused as to the banks. I missed something apparently. Which bank can you donate at?

Sterling or Timberland?

You people move too fast for me. You're like the Energizer Bunny's LOL. You keep going and going. I can't stay awake past a few pages of posts and miss everything!Both. Sterling Bank fund is for the Reward money. Timberland fund is set up to help the family.

Lindsey Baum Reward Fund:

A reward fund has been set up through Sterling Savings Bank that will be used to reward anyone who has information that leads to the safe return of Lindsey Baum or information leading to her whereabouts. If you are interested in making a donation to the reward fund you can visit Sterling Savings Bank location and tell them you'd like to donate to the "Lindsey Baum Reward Fund."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...pg2.html?cat=9

[not_my_kids]

I wish everyone here the best and the best for Lindsey herself. I may have to walk away for a little while. For the first time in a very long time I am having panic attacks, always regarding my kids.

I see my doc tomorrow, if she advises me to back off, I will.

I'll still be around WS, but I may take a break from missing kids for awhile.

Bring her home, guys.

[LotsaLatte]

Okay, here is WA State voter info - I believe "us" is correct in both cases.
http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi

Please let me know if I need to delete this link. Public record but still.........let me know if there's a problem.

Edit: I don't think this link is working - arrrgghh.

[scandi]

Thank you I figured out I posted the wrong bank but reposted with the correct one in post #41 I think lol...For the reward fund that is...

I make mistakes too. I just called you Jennifer in another post
http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif

[scandi]

I wish everyone here the best and the best for Lindsey herself. I may have to walk away for a little while. For the first time in a very long time I am having panic attacks, always regarding my kids.

I see my doc tomorrow, if she advises me to back off, I will.

I'll still be around WS, but I may take a break from missing kids for awhile.

Bring her home, guys.

If you take a little break Not_my_kids, please stop back and say hi from time to time. I'll sure miss you posting here. xox

[scandi]

Okay, here is WA State voter info - I believe "us" is correct in both cases.
http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi

Please let me know if I need to delete this link. Public record but still.........let me know if there's a problem.

Edit: I don't think this link is working - arrrgghh.

I don't see anything wrong with the link itself.

[mysticrose]

And there is an "us III", too. (I believe that is correct.)

Btw~ Did someone watch too much Gunsmoke back in the day or what?! :bang:

Could be, I really like that movie..lol :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

NMK~ Take care of yourself. Concentrate on your health, your family, and whatever you can do to relax. Everyone around here needs time away now and then for good reason. :blowkiss: Feel better soon!

[scandi]

Ok I found another for FL but no full address in Neah Bay, WA. Do we know if they left McCleary? TIA

We learned today they have moved to Elma. xox

[mysticrose]

Yes please stop back in if you do take your break to say hello NMK . I know the feeling of needing a break from the missing kids it can be highly stressful.

[jvk]

KK mentioned a white car & given a (2nd hand, via kid(s)) description.

It's not entirely rumor but it came off a bit marginal.

While speaking w/KK a vehicle somewhat meeting the description pulled up to a neighbors house.

The guy that got out might have been the most creepy looking mofo i'd seen in McCleary.

KK said she didn't recognize the vehicle & i took 2 shots.

ffwd a few minutes - i get 'stopped' - i reflect ^ - & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

When i got home i sent those 2 pictures in w/a report. No response.

Whether this was a shade of imagination (kids) with a side of heightened * i'm not sure.

[SeriouslySearching]

KK mentioned a white car & given a (2nd hand, via kid(s)) description.

It's not entirely rumor but it came off a bit marginal.

While speaking w/KK a vehicle somewhat meeting the description pulled up to a neighbors house.

The guy that got out might have been the most creepy looking mofo i'd seen in McCleary.

KK said she didn't recognize the vehicle & i took 2 shots.

ffwd a few minutes - i get 'stopped' - i reflect ^ - & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

When i got home i sent those 2 pictures in w/a report. No response.

Whether this was just a shade of imagination with a side of heightened * i'm not sure.:eek: HELLO?! Did I miss you telling us this before or was it not mentioned? I knew you had gotten stopped, but I don't recall hearing about them telling you to file a report with photos. Wow. Where are those photos?! Let's see 'em!!

[LotsaLatte]

KK mentioned a white car & given a (2nd hand, via kid(s)) description.

It's not entirely rumor but it came off a bit marginal.

While speaking w/KK a vehicle somewhat meeting the description pulled up to a neighbors house.

The guy that got out might have been the most creepy looking mofo i'd seen in McCleary.
KK said she didn't recognize the vehicle & i took 2 shots.

ffwd a few minutes - i get 'stopped' - i reflect ^ - & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

When i got home i sent those 2 pictures in w/a report. No response.

Whether this was a shade of imagination (kids) with a side of heightened * i'm not sure.

The bolded by me part - That made me laugh really hard!

[STEADFAST]

KK mentioned a white car & given a (2nd hand, via kid(s)) description.

It's not entirely rumor but it came off a bit marginal.

While speaking w/KK a vehicle somewhat meeting the description pulled up to a neighbors house.

The guy that got out might have been the most creepy looking mofo i'd seen in McCleary.

KK said she didn't recognize the vehicle & i took 2 shots.

ffwd a few minutes - i get 'stopped' - i reflect ^ - & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

When i got home i sent those 2 pictures in w/a report. No response.

Whether this was a shade of imagination (kids) with a side of heightened * i'm not sure.

Did we see those pics? :eek:

[christee]

The bolded by me part - That made me laugh really hard!
me too...

[LotsaLatte]

And there is an "us III", too. (I believe that is correct.)

Btw~ Did someone watch too much Gunsmoke back in the day or what?! :bang:

ML's husband = FL III so the son must be #4


http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=99A9AB36C2FE346FA5A9FE89A03EDE C7

[jvk]

(My thinking): If this was to be crucial it was not something to run off on the internet posting about.

- Not put these pictures online.

[Be Adequite!]

[QUOTE=JenniferO;3978671]Thank you for the compliment, Norm. I've always been drawn to things like this.. whether it be PI work, reading true crime books, watching tv programs on the subject or doing "riddles" that I was given clues and I had to solve it to move on.

My father always told me that reading all of those true crime books when I was a teen would come in handy someday. He said I'd either solve crimes or commit perfect ones.
I would hope solving would be the path I took (although raising 4 boys there were times where I would have loved to pull off the "perfect crime" ;) )[/QUO

Jennifer that sounds exactly like me too :-)

[christee]

LL is this the link?

http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi?svid=WA001057331

[STEADFAST]

(My thinking): If this was to be crucial it was not something to run off on the internet posting about.

- Not put these pictures online.

Oh, it's killing me, but I guess I've got to agree with you.

[SeriouslySearching]

(My thinking): If this was to be crucial it was not something to run off on the internet posting about.

- Not put these pictures online.(Hands on hips) Why do ya have to be so...so...logical and right? LOL :blowkiss:

I am sure they appreciated you not posting them here. ;) Wow...this means you could have possibly solved the case!

[Be Adequite!]

I am seriously starting to wonder if Lindsey hurt herself, got lost, something- and met her fate in the woods or somewhere tough to find her...maybe just a tragic accident or something. Cause to have nothing after this long- no scent, no sign of struggle, no nothing- is just damn perplexing, exhausting, and heartbreaking.

[scandi]

KK mentioned a white car & given a (2nd hand, via kid(s)) description.

It's not entirely rumor but it came off a bit marginal.

While speaking w/KK a vehicle somewhat meeting the description pulled up to a neighbors house.

The guy that got out might have been the most creepy looking mofo i'd seen in McCleary.

KK said she didn't recognize the vehicle & i took 2 shots.

ffwd a few minutes - i get 'stopped' - i reflect ^ - & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

When i got home i sent those 2 pictures in w/a report. No response.

Whether this was a shade of imagination (kids) with a side of heightened * i'm not sure.

WOW Jvk, That is about the most starling info I have almost learned in this case! Put that together with what Cyber saw when he was chatting with that person and I think Dr Lee would say 'Velly Intellesting'.

[SeriouslySearching]

ML's husband = FL III so the son must be #4


http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=99A9AB36C2FE346FA5A9FE89A03EDE C7Wouldn't you think just ONE of those mothers would have put their foot down and said, "NO MORE "US"es in this family! Enough is enough!"?! :eek: Give a kid his own name that doesn't remind people of a dufus on some tv cowboy show for crying out loud!

[STEADFAST]

I am seriously starting to wonder if Lindsey hurt herself, got lost, something- and met her fate in the woods or somewhere tough to find her...maybe just a tragic accident or something. Cause to have nothing after this long- no scent, no sign of struggle, no nothing- is just damn perplexing, exhausting, and heartbreaking.

I think she'd be more likely to have been found if she wandered, hurt, into the woods or somewhere in town. She couldn't get far. Plus . . .
Wait a minute. Have they brought cadaver dogs into town?

[LotsaLatte]

LL is this the link?

http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi?svid=WA001057331

Right search engine, wrong name. Not sure why mine won't work. But, if you use your link and seach again - only for FL - it brings up numeros 3 & 4:)

[SeriouslySearching]

WOW Jvk, That is about the most startling info I have almost learned in this case! Put that together with what Cyber saw when he was chatting with that person and I think Dr Lee would say 'Velly Intellesting'.I agree!! (Uhm...now what did Cyber see? The FBI agent?)

And the comment about Dr. Lee just made me spew coke all over the screen. Hahahahahaha~

[McCleary]

I think she'd be more likely to have been found if she wandered, hurt, into the woods or somewhere in town. She couldn't get far. Plus . . .
Wait a minute. Have they brought cadaver dogs into town?

A friend who knew one of the dog trainers/handlers that was brought into town told me that the dog was both a search and recovery dog...so it was trained for both live and cadaver search...but that's just one of those random information things that I can't verify easily.

[DotsEyes]

I'm lost. Who are these L People and why is everyone so interested in them?

What's with the white vehicle, the scary looking guy and being stopped? Is someone telling on you? Why were you stopped?

What going on in Elma?

[LotsaLatte]

Wouldn't you think just ONE of those mothers would have put their foot down and said, "NO MORE "US"es in this family! Enough is enough!"?! :eek: Give a kid his own name that doesn't remind people of a dufus on some tv cowboy show for crying out loud!

rotfl - I just got the Gunsmoke connection - :crazy:
I knew I heard that name somewhere before. I kept flashing on Uncle Fester from the Adam's Family.
But if FL #3 is born in late 50's then #1 and #2 would have been around before Gunsmoke!

[McCleary]

(My thinking): If this was to be crucial it was not something to run off on the internet posting about.

- Not put these pictures online.

sigh

I understand your reasoning...just makes me wonder if it's someone I know...lol...

[Be Adequite!]

I know... I just keep thinking of that poor boy in Canada that left his house- people speculated someone had abducted him- when really all that happened was he climbed too high up in a tree and fell to his death. Totally sad.
No idea on the cadaver dogs but it's a very good question.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think she'd be more likely to have been found if she wandered, hurt, into the woods or somewhere in town. She couldn't get far. Plus . . .
Wait a minute. Have they brought cadaver dogs into town?I can't answer that factually...but I would very much assume some of dogs brought in for the searches have been cadaver dogs.

[STEADFAST]

sigh

I understand your reasoning...just makes me wonder if it's someone I know...lol...

Do you know the creepiest looking mofo in McCleary?

[SeriouslySearching]

A friend who knew one of the dog trainers/handlers that was brought into town told me that the dog was both a search and recovery dog...so it was trained for both live and cadaver search...but that's just one of those random information things that I can't verify easily.If you read some of the information I posted on the Dog thread, it is highly unusual to have a dog trained for both. One thing they mentioned is it was very hard on the dog. Accuracy was another issue brought up, IIRC.

[LotsaLatte]

Do you know the creepiest looking mofo in McCleary?

Okay, that's it, I'm going to bed. You guys are making me laugh and I'm going to wake up the family if I don't stop.

[McCleary]

Do you know the creepiest looking mofo in McCleary?

grew up here, went to school around here...entirely possible...but it's hard to decide which of the guys I knew is the creepiest now...there's a lot of fugly in town.

[mysticrose]

Well I need to sign off for the night..midnight here. Not a morning person but my kids sure are..lol
Have a few things I want to pick your brains about tommorrow...until then
Have a great night :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Do you know the creepiest looking mofo in McCleary?Hahahahaha~ Uhm...hey...GREAT question!!

[Be Adequite!]

Hahahahaha

[McCleary]

If you read some of the information I posted on the Dog thread, it is highly unusual to have a dog trained for both. One thing they mentioned is it was very hard on the dog. Accuracy was another issue brought up, IIRC.

She may have said the woman had trained different dogs to do each...the conversation was about the time they first brought dogs out...

[LotsaLatte]

:bedtime::bedtime::bedtime::bedtime::bedtime:grew up here, went to school around here...entirely possible...but it's hard to decide which of the guys I knew is the creepiest now...there's a lot of fugly in town.

Stop, I'm going to be crying from laughing.

[Be Adequite!]

Looking forward to another 90 degree day tomorrow :-) Come home soon and come home safe Lindsey...night WS

[STEADFAST]

I'd better go to bed, too. I've got out-of-town company and they're morning people. Just got to say how refreshing it is to be in this thread where everyone works together so well. :blowkiss:

[McCleary]

Stop, I'm going to be crying from laughing.

It's the sleep deprivation, I tell you. Up at 5 to get ready for school, in class all day, up on the computer til midnight most nights...and every noise outside wakes me up because I'm starting to get paranoid...Humor keeps me sane :crazy:

[JenniferO]

McCleary, you live in McCleary.. there is no sane person who does that ;)

[christee]

Wouldn't you think just ONE of those mothers would have put their foot down and said, "NO MORE "US"es in this family! Enough is enough!"?! :eek: Give a kid his own name that doesn't remind people of a dufus on some tv cowboy show for crying out loud!
:doh:
Aha, ok, I get it now-the Gunsmoke connection...
I haven't recovered from the "Mofo" comment
Lol

[scandi]

I agree!! (Uhm...now what did Cyber see? The FBI agent?)

Yeppers. Inferred by the way he posted it, but I got the distinct picture

And the comment about Dr. Lee just made me spew coke all over the screen. Hahahahahaha~

It is about the only thing I ever heard him say that I understood :rolleyes: {my green}

LOL


Now I do not get the drift of Jvk's last sentence. Do you?

[SeriouslySearching]

:bedtime::bedtime::bedtime::bedtime::bedtime:

Stop, I'm going to be crying from laughing.Your Bedtime flashing signs are keeping me awake here!! hehehe Good job!

[SeriouslySearching]

It is about the only thing I ever heard him say that I understood :rolleyes: {my green}

LOL


Now I do not get the drift of Jvk's last sentence. Do you?About not putting the pics online?

[scandi]

rotfl - I just got the Gunsmoke connection - :crazy:
I knew I heard that name somewhere before. I kept flashing on Uncle Fester from the Adam's Family.
But if FL #3 is born in late 50's then #1 and #2 would have been around before Gunsmoke!


I saw pics of her on that website and thought she looked about 40 or 42. A guess

PS: I'm sitting here typing in the dark cause it is so hot! Sorry for all the typos. ;}

[scandi]

About not putting the pics online?

No, something about a shade of imagination {kids} - with a side of .. . .. ..

[cyberswept]

Wouldn't you think just ONE of those mothers would have put their foot down and said, "NO MORE "US"es in this family! Enough is enough!"?! :eek: Give a kid his own name that doesn't remind people of a dufus on some tv cowboy show for crying out loud!

Perhaps SS. I am a III and proud to carry that name.

[DotsEyes]

Don't you all wish that pervs were so easy to recognize". Then LE could just put out an APB for the "fugliest guy in town" or a BOLA for "the creepiest looking mo-fo you've ever seen". LOL

How many patrol deputies does the McCleary Police Department have? How many county sheriffs patrol here? State Police? These guys know where all the real creeps are. They need some undercover agents to move to the area. Ahem. I see there are houses for sale, really cheap. Shall we set up shop? I can play Crazy Southern Blonde with a mysterious past. Someone can play beloved daughter-in-law and we need some kids. I'll supply the pets.


We'll arrive in Cadillacs, buy a dump and fill it with fabulous furniture.

Then my sister will show up, with her gang and will buy a house. We join all the churches and clubs, shop a lot, gossip and listen. Someone will tell us what happened.

[SeriouslySearching]

Perhaps SS. I am a III and proud to carry that name.Cyber, I know many IIIs who are proud to carry their name. :) It was the specific name I was having a difficult time with handing down through the generations. I suppose you are right tho...even if it does remind me of some goofy guy on tv...it is a family name to them.

[cyberswept]

Don't you all wish that pervs were so easy to recognize". Then LE could just put out an APB for the "fugliest guy in town" or a BOLA for "the creepiest looking mo-fo you've ever seen". LOL

How many patrol deputies does the McCleary Police Department have? How many county sheriffs patrol here? State Police? These guys know where all the real creeps are. They need some undercover agents to move to the area. Ahem. I see there are houses for sale, really cheap. Shall we set up shop? I can play Crazy Southern Blonde with a mysterious past. Someone can play beloved daughter-in-law and we need some kids. I'll supply the pets.


We'll arrive in Cadillacs, buy a dump and fill it with fabulous furniture.

Then my sister will show up, with her gang and will buy a house. We join all the churches and clubs, shop a lot, gossip and listen. Someone will tell us what happened.

LOL not a bad idea. Need someone to play the crazy brother? :xena_banana:

[christee]

Don't you all wish that pervs were so easy to recognize". Then LE could just put out an APB for the "fugliest guy in town" or a BOLA for "the creepiest looking mo-fo you've ever seen". LOL

How many patrol deputies does the McCleary Police Department have? How many county sheriffs patrol here? State Police? These guys know where all the real creeps are. They need some undercover agents to move to the area. Ahem. I see there are houses for sale, really cheap. Shall we set up shop? I can play Crazy Southern Blonde with a mysterious past. Someone can play beloved daughter-in-law and we need some kids. I'll supply the pets.


We'll arrive in Cadillacs, buy a dump and fill it with fabulous furniture.

Then my sister will show up, with her gang and will buy a house. We join all the churches and clubs, shop a lot, gossip and listen. Someone will tell us what happened.
Can I play the sister?

[cyberswept]

Cyber, I know many IIIs who are proud to carry their name. :) It was the specific name I was having a difficult time with handing down through the generations. I suppose you are right tho...even if it does remind me of some goofy guy on tv...it is a family name to them.

No problem. ~ hugs ~

[SeriouslySearching]

Don't you all wish that pervs were so easy to recognize". Then LE could just put out an APB for the "fugliest guy in town" or a BOLA for "the creepiest looking mo-fo you've ever seen". LOL

How many patrol deputies does the McCleary Police Department have? How many county sheriffs patrol here? State Police? These guys know where all the real creeps are. They need some undercover agents to move to the area. Ahem. I see there are houses for sale, really cheap. Shall we set up shop? I can play Crazy Southern Blonde with a mysterious past. Someone can play beloved daughter-in-law and we need some kids. I'll supply the pets.


We'll arrive in Cadillacs, buy a dump and fill it with fabulous furniture.

Then my sister will show up, with her gang and will buy a house. We join all the churches and clubs, shop a lot, gossip and listen. Someone will tell us what happened.I don't know the answer to how many officers in each department, but I love the idea of going undercover in McCleary!!

I want to be the single, footloose woman who hangs out at the bar tho! I guess I could don those cute jeans, low cut tops, and those sparkling earrings for a good cause and knock back a few beers with the boys. LMAO You can say I am your cousin from the South. ;) I need to set up an alcohol fund so I can get them liquored up and start their lips wagging. Hey...we have to cover all the bases which are not church related and in with the "finer" elements of town, too! Hahahahaha~

[scandi]

Don't you all wish that pervs were so easy to recognize". Then LE could just put out an APB for the "fugliest guy in town" or a BOLA for "the creepiest looking mo-fo you've ever seen". LOL

How many patrol deputies does the McCleary Police Department have? How many county sheriffs patrol here? State Police? These guys know where all the real creeps are. They need some undercover agents to move to the area. Ahem. I see there are houses for sale, really cheap. Shall we set up shop? I can play Crazy Southern Blonde with a mysterious past. Someone can play beloved daughter-in-law and we need some kids. I'll supply the pets.


We'll arrive in Cadillacs, buy a dump and fill it with fabulous furniture.

Then my sister will show up, with her gang and will buy a house. We join all the churches and clubs, shop a lot, gossip and listen. Someone will tell us what happened.

Lordie Dot, Crack me up! What would be more fun is to buy the Old McCleary Hotel and have interviews in the parlor! :p Laughter is often needed when sleuthing. xox

PS: Don't I know you from ILK-dom? :)

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL not a bad idea. Need someone to play the crazy brother? :xena_banana:Yes! Have an extra bedroom for the footloose cousin with a need to "socialize"? LOL

And can someone teach me how to ride those ORV/ATV things? I should probably include that in my "socializing" on the weekends. ;) Mudbogging here I come!! (Next stop could be Satsuma!! LOL)

[christee]

I don't know the answer to how many officers in each department, but I love the idea of going undercover in McCleary!!

I want to be the single, footloose woman who hangs out at the bar tho! I guess I could don those cute jeans, low cut tops, and those sparkling earrings for a good cause and knock back a few beers with the boys. LMAO You can say I am your cousin from the South. ;) I need to set up an alcohol fund so I can get them liquored up and start their lips wagging. Hey...we have to cover all the bases which are not church related and in with the "finer" elements of town, too! Hahahahaha~
Don't forget your multiple "Tramp Stamps" before you go :rolleyes:

[jvk]

I guess i did put those pictures in my album. Just didn't post/mention them.

scandi: just kind of IMO; Imagination maybe not being the best word.. 'fuzzy recollection might be a better replacement.

[scandi]

Cyber, I know many IIIs who are proud to carry their name. :) It was the specific name I was having a difficult time with handing down through the generations. I suppose you are right tho...even if it does remind me of some goofy guy on tv...it is a family name to them.

Oh, I don't know if my ribs can take any more laughin' tonight!

Something is niggling at me, thinking there are others that are reading this forum who don't post here. I bet their eyes are popping out of their sockets!

Oh well, guess it doesn't matter. It might not be any news to them.

[scandi]

I guess i did put those pictures in my album. Just didn't post/mention them.

scandi: just kind of IMO; Imagination maybe not being the best word.. 'fuzzy recollection might be a better replacement.

Oh, get it. At the time you didn't think it would be anything to take real notice of. In recollection it might be so very telling after all.

It really makes me feel a lot better Jvk as I know things are moving forward in the case.

[SeriouslySearching]

Don't forget your multiple "Tramp Stamps" before you go :rolleyes:Hmmm...now what did I do with that permanent marker?! LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess i did put those pictures in my album. Just didn't post/mention them.

scandi: just kind of IMO; Imagination maybe not being the best word.. 'fuzzy recollection might be a better replacement.I take it they are not going to be there in the next say...10 minutes or so?! hehehe

[christee]

Hmmm...now what did I do with that permanent marker?! LOL
BwaaHahaa...oops just scared my little dog!

Aren't Sharpies' simply magical?

[jvk]

Well what i meant was, the description of that car (from the kid(s)) may not be a coincidence given the proximity.

Sorry for being vague, trying to refrain from opinion

Combined with the heightened 'awareness & etc. .. ..

[scandi]

I guess i did put those pictures in my album. Just didn't post/mention them Snipped

Can you give a hint as to which section, 1, 2, or 3? LOLOLOL

[cyberswept]

BwaaHahaa...oops just scared my little dog!

Aren't Sharpies' simply magical?

I have some Sponge Bob iron on transfers. Would those work for tramp stamps? :crazy: Of course, it's gonna hurt a little going on.

[christee]

i have some sponge bob iron on transfers. Would those work for tramp stamps? :crazy: Of course, it's gonna hurt a little going on.
Rotflmao!

[SeriouslySearching]

I have some Sponge Bob iron on transfers. Would those work for tramp stamps? :crazy: Of course, it's gonna hurt a little going on.Great idea! I can get that "sunburned and weathered" look at the same time! Always thinking...that is what we love about geeks. :blowkiss:

[CajunGirl]

Don't you all wish that pervs were so easy to recognize". Then LE could just put out an APB for the "fugliest guy in town" or a BOLA for "the creepiest looking mo-fo you've ever seen". LOL

How many patrol deputies does the McCleary Police Department have? How many county sheriffs patrol here? State Police? These guys know where all the real creeps are. They need some undercover agents to move to the area. Ahem. I see there are houses for sale, really cheap. Shall we set up shop? I can play Crazy Southern Blonde with a mysterious past. Someone can play beloved daughter-in-law and we need some kids. I'll supply the pets.


We'll arrive in Cadillacs, buy a dump and fill it with fabulous furniture.

Then my sister will show up, with her gang and will buy a house. We join all the churches and clubs, shop a lot, gossip and listen. Someone will tell us what happened.

ohhhh ohhhh i want in on that... i wanna be the barefoot and pregnant, girlfriend of some loser! yeah!!!! lol

[CajunGirl]

Yes! Have an extra bedroom for the footloose cousin with a need to "socialize"? LOL

And can someone teach me how to ride those ORV/ATV things? I should probably include that in my "socializing" on the weekends. ;) Mudbogging here I come!! (Next stop could be Satsuma!! LOL)

I'm ready SS!!!

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/dev504/yeah-1.jpg

size doesssssssssss matter hehe

[scandi]

Well what i meant was, the description of that car (from the kid(s)) may not be a coincidence given the proximity.

Sorry for being vague, trying to refrain from opinion

Combined with the heightened 'awareness & etc. .. ..


Ya Ya Jvk, What I would love to hear is your opinion and Cyber's together at a round table where we could all sit and bend our ears.

McCleary certainly is not as sleepy a little town as we may think, and now I don't care who reads anything written here tonight. Gumshoes are on track I think. xox

[Kimster]

What are you PST sleuthers up to, anyway?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Smiley%20Life/Blabla.gif

[cyberswept]

Ya Ya Jvk, What I would love to hear is your opinion and Cyber's together at a round table where we could all sit and bend our ears.

McCleary certainly is not as sleepy a little town as we may think, and now I don't care who reads anything written here tonight. Gumshoes are on track I think. xox

It would be great to get us all together. I can't imagine it being anything less than a roar all the time too! One nice thing about getting together in RL is the brainstorming effect. I mean you can do it here, but there's a lot of energy in a group setting in person.

[SeriouslySearching]

What are you PST sleuthers up to, anyway?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Smiley%20Life/Blabla.gifWe are discussing our undercover operation to infiltrate McCleary. LOL

Pretty Scary Type?

Past Sleepy Time?

[scandi]

What are you PST sleuthers up to, anyway?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Smiley%20Life/Blabla.gif
I think we are kind of learning that McCleary is pretty well staked out with a couple of gumshoes who have top-notch technology under their belts and have a mission to accomplish.

I couldn't just think this after what I have read here if there wasn't something very organized going on in a very silent way.

Have I seen too many Criminal Minds shows? LOLOLOL Nah ;}

[SeriouslySearching]

It would be great to get us all together. I can't imagine it being anything less than a roar all the time too! One nice thing about getting together in RL is the brainstorming effect. I mean you can do it here, but there's a lot of energy in a group setting in person.Think tanks have always been my thing. I guess it is why I like it here. It would be excellent in RL.

I think we needed some laughter tonight. People sometimes don't understand that and believe we are being in some way disrespectful to Lindsey and her family. However, when you spend hours and hours wading through RSOs, horrible scenarios and theories, and know a little girl is waiting to be found...you have to find a way to burn off a bit of frustration and steam. Laughter is always welcome. :) Thanks, Dotseyes!

[cyberswept]

Hey CG you should animate that drama icon you have. :)

[CajunGirl]

btw... I'd love for Patrick Jane (The Mentalist) to come along ...I mean I wouldn't mind if he was my loser baby daddy during the undercover op... :D think we can swing that?

[CajunGirl]

Hey CG you should animate that drama icon you have. :)

wish I knew how... I'd have her do the infamous three snaps in a zig zag lmao

[christee]

btw... I'd love for Patrick Jane (The Mentalist) to come along ...I mean I wouldn't mind if he was my loser baby daddy during the undercover op... :D think we can swing that?
Hey now! I've already tagged that buck, thank you very much! lol

And on that note I must say goodnight!

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm ready SS!!!

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/dev504/yeah-1.jpg

size doesssssssssss matter hehe

Note to self:

1. Buy some hunting gear, pink ball cap, and study up on gang hand signs.
CHECK.

2. Buy extra padding for seat in plush cougar skin.
CHECK.

3. Call insurance company and see if they cover accidental hit and runs over
creepy mo fos.
CHECK.

[SeriouslySearching]

btw... I'd love for Patrick Jane (The Mentalist) to come along ...I mean I wouldn't mind if he was my loser baby daddy during the undercover op... :D think we can swing that?Great!! Because everyone knows if he is a loser baby daddy...he will be at the bar hanging out with me instead of home! I kinda have a thing for him, too! :woohoo:

[CajunGirl]

Note to self:

1. Buy some hunting gear, pink ball cap, and study up on gang hand signs.
CHECK.

2. Buy extra padding for seat in plush cougar skin.
CHECK.

3. Call insurance company and see if they cover accidental hit and runs over
creepy mo fos.
CHECK.

I'm sooo NOT throwing up a gang sign LOL It's the "shocker"... lol was a joke when I posed...but you must admit, I'm rockin the camo overalls and pink ball cap!

[cyberswept]

Cougar skin... ~snicker~ :rolling:

[scandi]

btw... I'd love for Patrick Jane (The Mentalist) to come along ...I mean I wouldn't mind if he was my loser baby daddy during the undercover op... :D think we can swing that?

It is going to be some little thing, or something said or maybe not said, that will crack this case IMO.

I have often thought there should be a foundation where the talented writers of crime shows like Monk, Law & Order with Jeff G, The Mentalist, Criminal Minds, NCIS and such others, who would volunteer so much time to work on live cases every month and figure out how to catch the perp.

This week I saw a piece of brilliance in the Law and Order show with Jeff Goldbloom {last name?}.

The jist: He had reason to think this lady had murdered her old lover out of jealousy as he had married a different woman, or SS. At the memorial service for the hubby Jeff got up and said he had found a poem in the dead mans desk that he wanted to read because it showed the man's true genius as a writer of poetry.

The poem told of rekindling an old love and how throughout life, it had been the very person he truly loved and always would, even in death.

Silence after the reading, and you see the lady with tears welling up in her eyes leave the bldg and start walking down the street. Jeff came up and talked with her and told her it must have been she was the love of his life after all. And she caved as she realiazed he really did want her after all and now he was dead.

We see her taken into a police car, and in the next scene Jeff is talking to his partner. She says to him, SS to 'The one thing you didn't tell her is that you wrote that poem, right?' And he just grinned and they walked away.


I think we need to put the thought that goes into that writing to good use for true Justice. xox

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm sooo NOT throwing up a gang sign LOL It's the "shocker"... lol was a joke when I posed...but you must admit, I'm rockin the camo overalls and pink ball cap!Hahahaha~ You ARE rockin those overalls and pink ball cap, Sistah! The seat does appear to be a tad hard tho. I will let you borrow my cougar skin seat cushion next time! ;)

OMG! The "shocker"! ROFLMAO

[SeriouslySearching]

Cougar skin... ~snicker~ :rolling:I am so glad to see that wasn't lost on everyone. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Scandi~ The only problem is that with writers of crime shows...they kill someone, they always have clues, they have a ten minute turnaround time for testing evidence, and they always get their man. ;) They would be worthless in a real investigation.

[cyberswept]

I gotta say... there are some really cool people on this forum. SS, CG and of course Scandi being among my favorites. :) Thanks for making this place the best sleuthing web site!

[cyberswept]

Scandi~ The only problem is that with writers of crime shows...they kill someone, they always have clues, they have a ten minute turnaround time for testing evidence, and they always get their man. ;) They would be worthless in a real investigation.

Actually SS with audiences getting smarter and smarter, writers do a lot more research and they do come up with some clever ideas. Now they may not all be practical, but they just might come up with that one thing that could solve a case. Just as any of us who are not real detectives might. I know at this point, I would welcome anyones idea that would bring a missing child home. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Awwww! What a sweet thing to say, Cyber~ It isn't us who makes it a cool place tho...it is everyone who comes to hang out with us here. We would run out of good material fast if it weren't for our new members. LOL

[scandi]

Scandi~ The only problem is that with writers of crime shows...they kill someone, they always have clues, they have a ten minute turnaround time for testing evidence, and they always get their man. ;) They would be worthless in a real investigation.


In general I think you are right about that SS. Except Monk. LOL It seems with about 10 min left in the show they are at a dead stalemate when suddenly he remembers something that was very odd, out of place or a comment made from the subconscious of the perp that ends up being the last piece of the puzzle ! and plunk, down he/she goes!

I just thought crime writers who have to be very clever, knowing the particulars of a crime from the investigators, could scheme a way to trap the perp.

[CajunGirl]

I gotta say... there are some really cool people on this forum. SS, CG and of course Scandi being among my favorites. :) Thanks for making this place the best sleuthing web site!

Aw, don't get me all emotional and teary-eyed cyber LOL I may neva stop! Then my hubby will be waiting on me hand and foot thinking he did something wrong.... hmmmmm .... not a bad idea.... *gets the tears flowin*

:crazy:

I really enjoy all of you too. I value everyones opinions & input in these cases. If you take a look at my profile, the profile picture sums it all up :) That is for the haters :D I'm sure they know who they are when they look at my profile haha

[distracted]

I gotta say... there are some really cool people on this forum. SS, CG and of course Scandi being among my favorites. :) Thanks for making this place the best sleuthing web site!

I totally agree with you. I came here to help find Caylee but it's the passion of the members here that keep me coming back even though many days it breaks my heart.

ETA: Thanks for the laughs tonight. You girls were on a roll.

[SeriouslySearching]

Actually SS with audiences getting smarter and smarter, writers do a lot more research and they do come up with some clever ideas. Now they may not all be practical, but they just might come up with that one thing that could solve a case. Just as any of us who are not real detectives might. I know at this point, I would welcome anyones idea that would bring a missing child home. :)You do have a point there! A lot of cases they research have twists and turns because they are real life and history does have a way of repeating itself even in crimes.

I know what you mean about welcoming anyone's idea about now.

If I had a few mil to play with...I would put together an undercover team and we would be infiltrating all over the place. Equusearch could handle the ground and water searches and we could handle the population. While we have joked and laughed about it tonight, I was thinking how productive it could actually be. People are leary of strangers walking around town, but if we became neighbors...well...that is a different story. The only problem I see is we could never discuss it online. LOL

[scandi]

Actually SS with audiences getting smarter and smarter, writers do a lot more research and they do come up with some clever ideas. Now they may not all be practical, but they just might come up with that one thing that could solve a case. Just as any of us who are not real detectives might. I know at this point, I would welcome anyones idea that would bring a missing child home. :)

I gotta say... there are some really cool people on this forum. SS, CG and of course Scandi being among my favorites. :) Thanks for making this place the best sleuthing web site!

What a neat thing to hear from you Cyber, master of Geeks. lol But I agree with SS that it is the combination of everyone here who cranks the wheel even when it needs grease. If you look at the panoply of posters who frequent this forum it is amazing, the diversity their personalities and background they bring to us in our Sleuthing.

I hope tomorrow we delve into the possibilities with the white car. Theoretically. Why was Lindsey afraid, her girlfriends had to know something, up on Maple out of habit - well I can't think much anymore tonight. But there must be something clever that could be done in the ferreting. xoxoxox

[scandi]

You do have a point there! A lot of cases they research have twists and turns because they are real life and history does have a way of repeating itself even in crimes.

I know what you mean about welcoming anyone's idea about now.

If I had a few mil to play with...I would put together an undercover team and we would be infiltrating all over the place. Equusearch could handle the ground and water searches and we could handle the population. While we have joked and laughed about it tonight, I was thinking how productive it could actually be. People are leary of strangers walking around town, but if we became neighbors...well...that is a different story. The only problem I see is we could never discuss it online. LOL

. . . unless it was in a closed thread. xox

[cyberswept]

I totally agree with you. I came here to help find Caylee but it's the passion of the members here that keep me coming back even though many days it breaks my heart.

It does break your heart. I have always said that those who perpetrate crimes against children are the worst offenders. Those little people look to us for trust, guidance and protection and when someone takes advantage of that, you literally want to choke them. And I'll be honest, I have no, and I do mean zero, tolerance for sexual offenders.

Lately we have read about these guys getting out and still being rated level II or level III, then not registering. They know the police don't have the manpower to track them down easily. What I don't understand is, if they knowingly let these guys back on the street, aren't they just as guilty? Why does another child have to be subjected to some level of pain perpetrated by these animals before they get locked up again? If they don't have the manpower then they should at least have to be electronically tracked. The laws don't make a lot of sense to me. When someone is convicted of a sexual offense against a child, they should forever be labeled and tracked, without exception if they are deemed to reoffend. In my book it is truly madness to let a known offender ever walk the streets unmonitored. Time servered or not, the greater good of the public and the nature of these crimes should outway any freedoms SO's have.

Sorry for my rant. I am very passionate about this subject.

[cyberswept]

You do have a point there! A lot of cases they research have twists and turns because they are real life and history does have a way of repeating itself even in crimes.

I know what you mean about welcoming anyone's idea about now.

If I had a few mil to play with...I would put together an undercover team and we would be infiltrating all over the place. Equusearch could handle the ground and water searches and we could handle the population. While we have joked and laughed about it tonight, I was thinking how productive it could actually be. People are leary of strangers walking around town, but if we became neighbors...well...that is a different story. The only problem I see is we could never discuss it online. LOL

I would do that too SS. Wouldn't it be nice to have the money so you could spend your time helping others.

Sure you could discuss it, in a closed forum. If you are not an Official Investigator how can they stop you from sharing information that you have dug up and post on a forum?

There have been lots of groups formed that have no legal power, yet assist the police. Like the Guardian Angels for instance.

[SeriouslySearching]

Don't worry about the rant as we all pretty much feel the same way. The laws are inadequate. The punishment is not equal in any way to the crimes being committed. The judicial system appears to be softer on sexual offenders than any other crime (I have seen people who abuse animals or get caught smoking pot get stiffer sentences than child predators). There is no rehabilitation for sexual offenders yet they let them walk our streets and live among us...until they are caught again and the revolving door hits them in the @ss as they are back out on the streets before the ink is dry on the arrest warrants. We should be angry! The system doesn't work and they are doing nothing to fix it.

[cyberswept]

Goodnite my friends. Eyelids getting heavy here.

[SeriouslySearching]

G'nite, Everyone~ It really has been a good night. :) Hugs~

[CajunGirl]

i wish there was some more info on the white car situation ... it would be nice to be able to dig up something on it. I'd love to see what the scariest mofo in McCleary looks like too hehe

It's 420...I'm gonna finish off this bowl of ice cream then I think I'm going to curl up and get some sleep :D i'll be here for a big longer though...

[scandi]

My eyelids are half mast, but what a night this has been. I haven't laughed so much in about a week. LOL

And I can go to sleep tonight with a positive feeling in my gut. There is much being done to solve this case that we are not privy to. I do believe that with all my heart and it will come to fruition IMO

Thanks to Animal or the powers that be for letting us go off track a bit, here and there. In the morning I hope she keeps her coffee away from her keyboard. :)

And I want a T shirt like your FBI one SS. :D:


Sweet Dreams xox

[scandi]

i wish there was some more info on the white car situation ... it would be nice to be able to dig up something on it. I'd love to see what the scariest mofo in McCleary looks like too hehe

It's 420...I'm gonna finish off this bowl of ice cream then I think I'm going to curl up and get some sleep :D i'll be here for a big longer though...

We'll put our heads on it tomoz Cajun. Maybe that scary Mofo was who had Lindsey skeered too! I think the white car has rounded a curve and come into view in a different way tonight.

I'll toast you with my Pomegranate popsicle and see you soon. Nitey Nite xox

[TakeNote]

stop in to catch up....

sending warm thoughts out to Lindsey....:blowkiss:
we need to bring you home!

i was glad to see some steam being blown off tonight :) these cases take a lot out of each and every one of us ....some days i have to take a step back.....my heart just hurts to much for these families and their lost loved ones....

i also dont want to neglect my own family :eek:....remember to take good care of your selves and your loved ones! :blowkiss:

:clap: great job on all the sleuthing!!! :clap:
you guys are all awesome! :woohoo:

hope to find good news later today!

[McCleary]

I don't know if this got posted yet...

"Father heads home as search continues"

http://thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/21/local_news/doc4a6603e106601642143731.txt

[Salem]

Okay Guys - check this out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Some 50ish year old man, driving a white van with WA license plates tried to pick up an 11-year old girl in Santa Barbara, CA. I wonder if their is any connection? Maybe McCleary LE should get in contact with Santa Barbara LE?

Salem

[Recovering-Lurker]

Okay Guys - check this out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Some 50ish year old man, driving a white van with WA license plates tried to pick up an 11-year old girl in Santa Barbara, CA. I wonder if their is any connection? Maybe McCleary LE should get in contact with Santa Barbara LE?

Salem

And he tried to lure her this way:

"The guy was just sitting there and I was about to turn the corner and he yelled, 'Hey, you want to come help me look for my puppy?'"

It's been said on here that Lindsey was an animal lover, and something like a lost puppy could've have lured her. It could very well be connected. Nothing can be ruled out yet. Good find.

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

Omigoodness! Ya'll had me ROTFLMFAO over "operation infiltrate McCleary".....we've all been on edge while waiting for new info......and a good laugh was MUCH appreciated! So I've gotta get in on this action somehow.....I live in Arkansas so I've got the real-deal when it comes to the accent.....and I already have the tramp-stamp so I can spare ya'll the pain that comes with Spongebob iron ons (I admire the creativity, though!!). I normally drive my Celica like it's an ATV, but for such a special trip I'll upgrade to the big red truck complete with toolbox, a cooler of Bud Light, some muddin' boots shoved upside down between the cab and the truck bed, and a couple of dogs to ride up front w/me (all I'm missing is a gun rack and a grill....cause you never know when you'll run across/over something that needs to be shot and/or grilled). Needless to say, baby cousin "Willie-Joe" is ready to head up-yonder for the family reunion whenever ya'll are!!

OK, back on topic now cause I've got a few questions....been a little behind lately....

Are we looking for a white car or a black low-rider truck or both and who do we suspect the owners are?
I'm guessing that the white car is the one that was rumored to be following LB and friends around.....and we're trying to both ID the car and find out who owns it....or am I missing something? Is this where the poster (MB, I think) might be connected or are ya'll trying to connect the "US"es??
The black truck is what the three guys were driving when they tried to abduct the little girl in the other town near McCleary....and we're trying to see if there is a connection between that attempted abduction and LB's dissappearance by identifying the truck?? Or are we trying to ID the three guys? Does the truck that the "ugliest MOFO in town" got out of fit the same description as the one the girl gave of the truck the three guys were driving??

Sorry there are so many questions....I've re-read and tried to keep up, but I'm having some trouble because there have been so many different SO's, names, vehicles discussed in these threads that I'm having trouble keeping it straight.....but leave no stone un-turned, right? :) I want to try and help out....but you guys are much better than I am at finding useful information and seem to be able to research stuff a million times faster than I can, LOL!

[Salem]

I called the Santa Barbara incident in to McCleary. They said they would contact Santa Barbara Sheriff's. Maybe nothing - but definitely enough time to get from WA to So. Cal since Lindsey went missing. I am hoping and hoping this might lead to a break!

Salem

here is the article again: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

And he tried to lure her this way:



It's been said on here that Lindsey was an animal lover, and something like a lost puppy could've have lured her. It could very well be connected. Nothing can be ruled out yet. Good find.

You just reminded me of a television show I watched once....forget the name of it. They would set up different situations and see how people reacted. Once they showed a little girl (she was an actress) swinging in the park with a parent (actor/actress)....then they would have the parent leave after asking another parent (a real person) to watch their kid for a moment.... and THEN they had a guy the child didn't know (also an actor) walk up to her, start a conversation, and ask her to leave with him to "look for a dog"....they filmed the reactions that the REAL parents had (who were asked to watch the kid for a moment). Fortunately, almost every parent stepped in and refused to let the little girl walk away with the strange man.
They did a second variation of the scenario where the little girl already knew the guy who talked to her and asked her to look for the dog. He would walk up and say "Oh, hi (whatever her name was)....have you seen (name of dog)? I can't seem to find him." Then he would ask her to leave and help him look. Even when she already knew the guy, most of the parents refused to let the little girl out of their sight with the "stranger".
I wish I could remember the name of the show...sound familiar to any of you guys?

[Recovering-Lurker]

You just reminded me of a television show I watched once....forget the name of it. They would set up different situations and see how people reacted. Once they showed a little girl (she was an actress) swinging in the park with a parent (actor/actress)....then they would have the parent leave after asking another parent (a real person) to watch their kid for a moment.... and THEN they had a guy the child didn't know (also an actor) walk up to her, start a conversation, and ask her to leave with him to "look for a dog"....they filmed the reactions that the REAL parents had (who were asked to watch the kid for a moment). Fortunately, almost every parent stepped in and refused to let the little girl walk away with the strange man.
They did a second variation of the scenario where the little girl already knew the guy who talked to her and asked her to look for the dog. He would walk up and say "Oh, hi (whatever her name was)....have you seen (name of dog)? I can't seem to find him." Then he would ask her to leave and help him look. Even when she already knew the guy, most of the parents refused to let the little girl out of their sight with the "stranger".
I wish I could remember the name of the show...sound familiar to any of you guys?

Not sure the name, but I have definitely seen similar shows. I've seen where they will have the parents inside their house, and the child is outside playing. Then, an actor will drive up and ask the child to help look for a dog, etc. It was surprising and sad how many children agreed to do so.

[Salem]

I called the Santa Barbara incident in to McCleary. They said they would contact Santa Barbara Sheriff's. Maybe nothing - but definitely enough time to get from WA to So. Cal since Lindsey went missing. I am hoping and hoping this might lead to a break!

Salem

here is the article again: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Sorry to quote myself, but wanted to update. I also called Santa Barbara Sheriff's. In the article, it says LE made contact with this guy. I let Santa Barbara know about Lindsey and told them that if this guy really had WA license plates that they should not let the guy out of their site until they have talked to McCleary LE. I let them know I had contacted McCleary LE and that McCleary LE said they would contact Santa Barbara.

My adrenilene is pumping here. The SB officer was pretty noncommital, but did say they would keep an eye on the guy.

Salem

[jvk]

I am going to clarify what i meant by "a vehicle somewhat meeting the description"

The description KK gave (via kid(s)) was basically a clean white station wagon w/round headlights.

She may not have outright said 'station wagon but upon her description & discussion she reflected a likeness of that being accurate.

The pictures i took had a couple of conflicts with that description

1. It was not clean (in nearly any sense)
2. (closer to) Square Headlights.

- It was a white station wagon

I'd asked KK if the kid(s) possibly said 'round' because the headlights were on. This didn't seem to 'ring a bell.

Round headlights probably being the most telling.

I'd been off/on racking my brain on a round-headlight wagon.

I'm usually not bad w/identifying cars. It only occurred to me today what it might have been.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2717/1997taurus01.png
1997 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4868/1999taurus.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2199/1999wagon.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

- So you may want to take the pictures i referred to earlier w/a grain of salt.

[Kimster]

I took it upon myself to make a thread about the Santa Barbara case in order to make it easier to find information.

Poss. child predator with WA plates in Santa Barbara - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

[Kimster]

Not sure the name, but I have definitely seen similar shows. I've seen where they will have the parents inside their house, and the child is outside playing. Then, an actor will drive up and ask the child to help look for a dog, etc. It was surprising and sad how many children agreed to do so.

I saw a show like that once too. They also said that when you tell kids not to talk to "strangers" you need to be very specific on what a "stranger" means. They tend to think "Darth Vadar" or some scary person.

[concentric]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Check out this line of that news report:

"But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed."

[Kimster]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Check out the last line of that news report:

But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed.

This part?: Deputies say the man was driving a white cargo-type van with no side windows. They also say the van was possibly bearing Washington license plates.

The man is described as a white male adult, about 50 years old. He was about 5' 8" tall, weighing about 150 lbs.

[crmom]

WHATS UP WITH aka's Lindsey's Dad and have we checked the people who may be living with section? Lindsey may have known them well enough to leave thinking she would she her Dad.

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp

[Kimster]

OH! THAT PART! Yeah, its not a crime to lure a child with a puppy excuse? WHAT?

[concentric]

Yes, sorry Kimster, had to edit!

What is the implied message in that line?

[Kimster]

Yes, sorry Kimster, had to edit!

What is the implied message in that line?

I don't know but I sure don't like it!

[JenniferO]

WHATS UP WITH aka's Lindsey's Dad and have we checked the people who may be living with section? Lindsey may have known them well enough to leave thinking she would she her Dad.

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp

:waitasec:
I'm sorry, you lost me.

What about Lindseys dad? What "section" are you talking about?

[JenniferO]

It's not illegal to approach someone and say "hey, I lost my dog do you mind helping me find it?" Just like it's not illegal to approach someone and ask for directions or what time it is.

It wouldn't have even been illegal if the child would have (willingly) gotten into the van with him. It becomes illegal if he doesn't let the child back out of the car or if he touches the child inappropriatly.

That is why we need to teach our children to never ever willingly get into a car with someone other than who we tell them to (even if they know them)

[Salem]

I am going to clarify what i meant by "a vehicle somewhat meeting the description"

The description KK gave (via kid(s)) was basically a clean white station wagon w/round headlights.

She may not have outright said 'station wagon but upon her description & discussion she reflected a likeness of that being accurate.

The pictures i took had a couple of conflicts with that description

1. It was not clean (in nearly any sense)
2. (closer to) Square Headlights.

- It was a white station wagon

I'd asked KK if the kid(s) possibly said 'round' because the headlights were on. This didn't seem to 'ring a bell.

Round headlights probably being the most telling.

I'd been off/on racking my brain on a round-headlight wagon.

I'm usually not bad w/identifying cars. It only occurred to me today what it might have been.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2717/1997taurus01.png
1997 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4868/1999taurus.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2199/1999wagon.jpg
1999 Ford Taurus Wagon

- So you may want to take the pictures i referred to earlier w/a grain of salt.

Hi jvk - I hope you don't mind, but I am copying your message to the thread on the Santa Barbara incident. I think these pictures would be helpful there.

Salem

[jvk]

IMO it might be best to keep them separate, but i guess it doesn't matter.

[coastal]

Perhaps SS. I am a III and proud to carry that name.
I was channel surfing he other night and stopped briefly on a BET awards show, where someone was introduced as NAME DifferentName NAME Jr., III.
http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/a010.gif

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, sorry Kimster, had to edit!

What is the implied message in that line?After reading the story you can take it a few ways, imo. They could doubt the girl's story or after the officer mentioned they found and talked to the man...he quickly added that phrase not to spook him. Perhaps they have surveillance on him now and it was said for that benefit.

I would consider it to be too much of a coincidence for him to drive a vehicle with that description, match the description the girl gave to LE, and have WA plates.

However, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question for the girl not to like him for some reason and to have made up the story to get back at him. If he lives nearby, she could have seen him several times to come up with all that information she provided to LE. (Not likely, imo.)

[coastal]

Lordie Dot, Crack me up! What would be more fun is to buy the Old McCleary Hotel and have interviews in the parlor! :p Laughter is often needed when sleuthing. xox

PS: Don't I know you from ILK-dom? :)
But but but what about that big 'ol happy bear?
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/tiere/k020.gif

[SeriouslySearching]

It's not illegal to approach someone and say "hey, I lost my dog do you mind helping me find it?" Just like it's not illegal to approach someone and ask for directions or what time it is.

It wouldn't have even been illegal if the child would have (willingly) gotten into the van with him. It becomes illegal if he doesn't let the child back out of the car or if he touches the child inappropriatly.

That is why we need to teach our children to never ever willingly get into a car with someone other than who we tell them to (even if they know them)I'm not sure about that one. When a person is trying to entice a child with the purpose of isolating them, I think it is considered a crime...but I will check on it to make certain.

[scandi]

IMO it might be best to keep them separate, but i guess it doesn't matter.


Morning Jvk, Thanks for your post this morning. I'm still a bit fuzzy from lack of sleep after a late night here, but am trying to understand you fully.

What she was describing was a SW like you have pictured in your post with round lights as she had described to you from what the kids said. But in acutality the car you photographed which prompted a stop and request so they could get a copy of it, was a SW that was dirty and with square headlights.

It could be the inconsistancy of her statement and the coincidence of that dirty SW pulling up and parking at the house of one of her neighbors that raised the eyebrow of the one who stopped you. They were possibly watching and waiting to get proof of the car this Mofo was driving. Or knew the car and wanted to see who is driving it around. ???

Thanks and if you want me to delete this post I will. xox

[scandi]

But but but what about that big 'ol happy bear?
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/tiere/k020.gif

LOL We could have a service deliver the finest Washington State huckleberries from Mt Adams for him to eat ;}

[coastal]

LOL We could have a service deliver the finest Washington State huckleberries from Mt Adams for him to eat ;}
Yeah, and maybe then he'd be so grateful we could train him to eat SOs.

[scandi]

Yeah, and maybe then he'd be so grateful we could train him to eat SOs.

Now there you go! Are you willing to do the training? :)

PS: He looks pretty big and burly sitting there next to that tree. LOL

[JenniferO]

I'm not sure about that one. When a person is trying to entice a child with the purpose of isolating them, I think it is considered a crime...but I will check on it to make certain.

I very well could be incorrect. I can't seem to find what i'm looking for via google. My laptop is on it's last legs so it's slow at loading webpages. Maybe I just don't have enough patience to find what I need. lol

[jvk]

But in acutality the car you photographed which prompted a stop and request so they could get a copy of it

The photographing of the car had nothing to do with the (reason of the) stop. - I informed them.

The coincidence of the SW pulling up was a bit strange. (combined with the person who exited) - But that SW didn't fully match the description.

That station wagon was only there briefly, possibly dropping something off or getting something. - it wasn't quite clear what he was doing.

[scandi]

The photographing of the car had nothing to do with the (reason of the) stop. - I informed them.

The coincidence of the SW pulling up was a bit strange. (combined with the person who exited) - But that SW didn't fully match the description.

That station wagon was only there briefly, possibly dropping something off or getting something. - it wasn't quite clear what he was doing.

Thanks Jvk, Did you get a photo of him since he was there briefly?

[cyberswept]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Check out this line of that news report:

"But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed."

Maybe there needs to be a Luring Law. Just like there are other laws based on intent, perhaps this needs to be made a crime. Anyone who is legitimately looking for a lost puppy or assistance of some sort wouldn't run or drive away. They'd stay and look for the puppy or seek assistance somewhere else nearby.

I mean if you can be arrested for stalking or have a restraining order thrown on you for no real reason, why not one for luring a child? No one lures a child into a situation with good intentions in these cases. By the time a crime is commited, the perp usually has them hidden from view and then it's too late.

[SeriouslySearching]

The photographing of the car had nothing to do with the (reason of the) stop. - I informed them.

The coincidence of the SW pulling up was a bit strange. (combined with the person who exited) - But that SW didn't fully match the description.

That station wagon was only there briefly, possibly dropping something off or getting something. - it wasn't quite clear what he was doing.How odd you should mention this when I was posting on the Dream thread at the same time (actually 6 minutes before)! :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe there needs to be a Luring Law. Just like there are other laws based on intent, perhaps this needs to be made a crime. Anyone who is legitimately looking for a lost puppy or assistance of some sort wouldn't run or drive away. They'd stay and look for the puppy or seek assistance somewhere else nearby.

I mean if you can be arrested for stalking or have a restraining order thrown on you for no real reason, why not one for luring a child? No one lures a child into a situation with good intentions in these cases. By the time a crime is commited, the perp usually has them hidden from view and then it's too late.There is in Florida, but I haven't found out about WA yet.

Chapter 787: Kidnapping; False Imprisonment; Luring or Enticing a Child; Custody Offenses

787.025 Luring or enticing a child.

http://www.rpfoley.com/lawyer-attorney-1218890.html BBM

[jvk]

Thanks Jvk, Did you get a photo of him since he was there briefly?

'No' - In the front picture i believe the drivers side pillar is in the way. I can look @ the front w/higher res (later, don't have it here) but i think i already did before & don't recall it being useful (for that purpose)

In the rear picture it's him driving away.

That being said i gave a very good/fresh description to the guys who stopped me ... ...

-> & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

[SeriouslySearching]

Jennifer? Would you mind fixing my spelling in my quote? I spelled enticing wrong and it will drive me nuts. Thanks~ (Yes...this is my OCD kicking in or something like it. LOL)

Please don't quote this cause I am going to delete it. :)

There is also a Federal Luring Law. However, the way it is stated with the example may or may not apply to enticing them with a ruse to get them into a vehicle.

Luring any individual, including a child, by knowingly persuading, inducing, enticing or coercing any person to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution or sexual activity that constitutes a criminal offense violates federal law. See 18 U.S.C. § 2422. An example of luring would occur if an adult found a child in a chat room and used email correspondence with the child to persuade the child meet him with the intent that the child engage in sexual activity.

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide_trafficking.html

Also, Megan's Law may cover luring and enticing...still checking.

[scandi]

How odd you should mention this when I was posting on the Dream thread at the same time (actually 6 minutes before)! :eek:

How interesting. It could be he never expected to see a photographer standing close by and cut his visit short! :eek: And would be a darn good reason to request a few photos.

It seems to be adding up even though I do have a fertile imagination ;}

[SeriouslySearching]

'No' - In the front picture i believe the drivers side pillar is in the way. I can look @ the front w/higher res (later, don't have it here) but i think i already did before & don't recall it being useful (for that purpose)

In the rear picture it's him driving away.

That being said i gave a very good/fresh description to the guys who stopped me ... ...

->Did you capture the tag number as he was driving away?

[scandi]

'No' - In the front picture i believe the drivers side pillar is in the way. I can look @ the front w/higher res (later, don't have it here) but i think i already did before & don't recall it being useful (for that purpose)

In the rear picture it's him driving away.

That being said i gave a very good/fresh description to the guys who stopped me ... ...

->

Thanks so much for that Jvk. Did you have any inkling you were in their scope as you stood there talking and taking photos? I'm just wondering how covert they were.

ETA: It is impressive to me they had this little area in McCleary under observation. Organized but oh so quiet about it they probably blended right into the landscape!

[jvk]

Did you capture the tag number as he was driving away?

Yep, and i told them i had that when they stopped me ...

->

& i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

[jvk]

Thanks so much for that Jvk. Did you have any inkling you were in their scope as you stood there talking and taking photos? I'm just wondering how covert they were.

I wasn't really watching for people who were watching me. It's possible either way.

[SeriouslySearching]

Can you give a vague description to us at least? The only thing I know is that he is a male. LOL

[sooth_seer]

KK mentioned a white car & given a (2nd hand, via kid(s)) description.

It's not entirely rumor but it came off a bit marginal.

While speaking w/KK a vehicle somewhat meeting the description pulled up to a neighbors house.

The guy that got out might have been the most creepy looking mofo i'd seen in McCleary.

KK said she didn't recognize the vehicle & i took 2 shots.

ffwd a few minutes - i get 'stopped' - i reflect ^ - & i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

When i got home i sent those 2 pictures in w/a report. No response.

Whether this was a shade of imagination (kids) with a side of heightened * i'm not sure.

jvk, thanks for your sleuthing and sharing so much of what you have discovered. I do have a couple of questions for you:

Did that car have any damage or repairs done to it?

Have you done any research on the resident of the house the car stopped at? If they own the house you can get a name from the property records and then search to see if they have relatives mentioned in obituaries, etc.


Is there any way to determine whether or not this is one of those houses with a basement? Property tax records should show that.


I'd be especially freaked out if it was a square-edged older vehicle, with something unusual about the body and if the driver were visiting or living with his mother in a house with a basement. I know you can't disclose much to us, but I would be going crazy trying to find out more about this guy.

[jvk]

It would have been nice to even get a confirmation e-mail back from sending the info/pictures in.

I have not personally done any research on this person or the house he stopped at. - I do not believe he is a/the resident.

No idea on basement.

As far as damage to the vehicle.. nothing severely/obvious that i noticed.

Since i've had no direction from LE it's been up to my discretion on what to say.

I really don't mean to be vague - It's between comfort & judgment at the moment

[charminglane]

But but but what about that big 'ol happy bear?
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/tiere/k020.gif

That bear is now down here in my neighborhood! Saw him the other night across the street.:rolleyes:

[crmom]

:waitasec:
I'm sorry, you lost me.

What about Lindseys dad? What "section" are you talking about?

Sorry for the confusion, I hope I did this right and its okay to copy/paste(if not please let me know how to delete)
3. BAUM, GREGORY SCOTT (Age 38)

Associated names:

BAUM, GREG
BAUM, SCOTT M
SWINEHART, SCOTT R
SWITZER, SCOTT
Available(7) Available SHARON, TN
FORT LEWIS, WA
MARTIN, TN
TOOELE, UT
TACOMA, WA
TUMWATER, WA
LACEY, WA
COPPERAS COVE, TX
KILLEEN, TX Possible Relatives:

SWINEHART, ANGELA MARIE (Age 38)
BAUM, TENA WEYLAND (Age 39)
SWINEHART, RILEY SCOTT (Age 40)
PIERPOINT, MELISSA C (Age 37)
BAUM, SCOTT

Possible Roommates / Associates:

PEEK, MICHAEL WAYNE (Age 36)
JOHNS, MARY S (Age 43)
JOHNS, ROBERT K (Age 48)

[cyberswept]

Hey I got some additional info from KK on the bike situation involving the brother that some of you have been asking about.

The bike that the kids were fighting over was actually not ride-able. It did not have a chain on it so Lindsey had actually been pushing herself along on the bike and then decided she no longer wanted to so she dropped it at the Shell station off to the side of the gas pumps closest to the police station. The argument actually stemmed over who was going to take it home her or Josh. Needless to say neither wanted to - hence the fight.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hey I got some additional info from KK on the bike situation involving the brother that some of you have been asking about.

The bike that the kids were fighting over was actually not ride-able. It did not have a chain on it so Lindsey had actually been pushing herself along on the bike and then decided she no longer wanted to so she dropped it at the Shell station off to the side of the gas pumps closest to the police station. The argument actually stemmed over who was going to take it home her or Josh. Needless to say neither wanted to - hence the fight.So who won?

[JenniferO]

So who won?

It was my understanding that the bike was still at the Shell station 2 or 3 days after Lindsey went missing.

[cyberswept]

It was my understanding that the bike was still at the Shell station 2 or 3 days after Lindsey went missing.

I wonder though if it would have altered her route enough to go around the north side of the Shell Station vs the south side which would have been her normal path? I also wonder if the bike was in line of sight of the camera there? If it was and she was not in the video from the pump camera, at least we could eliminate the bike as being an object of deviation from her normal walk home.

[SeriouslySearching]

It was my understanding that the bike was still at the Shell station 2 or 3 days after Lindsey went missing.And see...to me this makes absolutely no sense. Her brother is an avid bike rider according to his mother. Why would he leave his bike by the Shell station so he cannot ride it to "go look for Lindsey"? It is obviously fixed now so I am curious to know when he really got back and who fixed it. If the chain was simply falling off or if it broke entirely is another question.

Why would Lindsey push a broken bike around town? Why not drop it immediately where it broke or take it home since it was only half a block? When and why did she leave it at the station?

[Normcar21]

Here's something that may be of interest to some, related to ML:

CASE NUMBER: MCCLEARY MUNICIPAL COURTC00001844 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse

ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 01/11/2008
COUNTS: DISPOSITION: Dismissed
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: 06/04/2007 OFFENSE DATE: 06/04/2007
OFFENSE CODE: MCM6.04.020 OFFENSE CLASS: Criminal non-traffic
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY OF ANIMAL

I have no idea what "Unlawful Activity of Animal" means but Lindsey loved animals and her love for her German Shepherd Kaydence, is well known.

[cyberswept]

And see...to me this makes absolutely no sense. Her brother is an avid bike rider according to his mother. Why would he leave his bike by the Shell station so he cannot ride it to "go look for Lindsey"? It is obviously fixed now so I am curious to know when he really got back and who fixed it. If the chain was simply falling off or if it broke entirely is another question.

Why would Lindsey push a broken bike around town? Why not drop it immediately where it broke or take it home since it was only half a block? When and why did she leave it at the station?

I am going to suggest one possibility for that. From Lindsey's house and down through Maple, there is a slight incline towards KK's. You probably can't see it in the photos, but it's there. Lindsey could have coasted all the way to KK's house, then pushed it back as far as the Shell Station and simply grew tired, then told her brother where it was so he could push it the rest of the way home.

The incline increases from the Shell Station to Lindsey's house, maybe that was as far as she could push it and felt by leaving it there, it was relatively safe from theft being next door to the police station.

I don't know if the chain was off, missing or broken. Seems if it was hanging there, her brother could have and probably knows how to realign it onto the sprocket. So that leads me to believe it was broken and could have been missing too.

[Normcar21]

I'm not sure if this address has been posted but a family with the credentials of ML and FL live at 904 W SIMPSON AVE, and I have the unit number but decided not to post it. I do believe this apartment block was talked about last night or a few nights ago. Occupants: ML, 51; FL, 32; FL 39

[JenniferO]

Here's something that may be of interest to some, related to ML:

CASE NUMBER: MCCLEARY MUNICIPAL COURTC00001844 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse

ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 01/11/2008
COUNTS: DISPOSITION: Dismissed
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: 06/04/2007 OFFENSE DATE: 06/04/2007
OFFENSE CODE: MCM6.04.020 OFFENSE CLASS: Criminal non-traffic
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY OF ANIMAL

I have no idea what "Unlawful Activity of Animal" means but Lindsey loved animals and her love for her German Shepherd Kaydence, is well known.

According to what I read elsewhere.. the dog got out of the yard and was running around town (which is illegal in city limits in most cities.. I'm assuming it's that way in McCleary too)

[JenniferO]

I'm not sure if this address has been posted but a family with the credentials of ML and FL live at 904 W SIMPSON AVE, and I have the unit number but decided not to post it. I do believe this apartment block was talked about last night or a few nights ago.

They don't live there any more.
It used to be a trailer park.. but as you can see from the pictures in the link below.. it's gone.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/904-W-Simpson_Mccleary_WA_98557_1109434335

[SeriouslySearching]

I am going to suggest one possibility for that. From Lindsey's house and down through Maple, there is a slight incline towards KK's. You probably can't see it in the photos, but it's there. Lindsey could have coasted all the way to KK's house, then pushed it back as far as the Shell Station and simply grew tired, then told her brother where it was so he could push it the rest of the way home.

The incline increases from the Shell Station to Lindsey's house, maybe that was as far as she could push it and felt by leaving it there, it was relatively safe from theft being next door to the police station.

I don't know if the chain was off, missing or broken. Seems if it was hanging there, her brother could have and probably knows how to realign it onto the sprocket. So that leads me to believe it was broken and could have been missing too.So you are saying she was at KK's house earlier that day? The bike never made it to KK's for the last trip as the fight happened behind the Shell station where it evidently was left by both of them.

[Kimster]

I've always assumed, and merely my assumption, that Lindsey had taken the bike and it broke and the brother was upset with her about it. I figure it was broken enough that once Lindsey went missing, the brother didn't care since he knew it needed repairs in order to ride it to look for her. MOO

[JenniferO]

And see...to me this makes absolutely no sense. Her brother is an avid bike rider according to his mother. Why would he leave his bike by the Shell station so he cannot ride it to "go look for Lindsey"? It is obviously fixed now so I am curious to know when he really got back and who fixed it. If the chain was simply falling off or if it broke entirely is another question.

Why would Lindsey push a broken bike around town? Why not drop it immediately where it broke or take it home since it was only half a block? When and why did she leave it at the station?

I don't know.. I grew up in a poor family. We had limited resources when it came to entertaining ourselves. My brothers and I used to push each other around on our broken bikes, even wheel barrows when times were really tough.

One year we used an old wagon with the axles removed as a sled in the snow.

ETA: I am in no way saying that Lindseys family is poor. I know nothing about their finances. I was just saying that when a kid is bored they will find a way to entertain themselves. Pushing around a broken bike is really not that odd when you have nothing else to do. Who knows if it broke while L was on it, or if it had broken months before. The fact is.. the bike (for whatever reason) was left at the Shell. For how long? No one really knows.

[Kimster]

I don't know.. I grew up in a poor family. We had limited resources when it came to entertaining ourselves. My brothers and I used to push each other around on our broken bikes, even wheel barrows when times were really tough.

One year we used an old wagon with the axles removed as a sled in the snow.

I had a son who rode a broken bike because I don't think he even realized it was broken! I gave all the mechanical ability genes to his older brother! :crazy:

[cyberswept]

So you are saying she was at KK's house earlier that day? The bike never made it to KK's for the last trip as the fight happened behind the Shell station where it evidently was left by both of them.

I don't know SS. I was just trying to relate one possibility of why she was on a broken bike at all. Also I am not suggesting a timeline or when during the day that might have taken place.

[Normcar21]

They don't live there any more.
It used to be a trailer park.. but as you can see from the pictures in the link below.. it's gone.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/904-W-Simpson_Mccleary_WA_98557_1109434335

Hmm, great, I just paid $50 for an ident search that is outdated. :boohoo:

[Kimster]

Hmm, great, I just paid $50 for an ident search that is outdated. :boohoo:

Watch those search sites, Norm! I paid for one to find my ex for child support and the only info it gave me was stuff that he did BEFORE I ever met him! :mad:

[Normcar21]

Any of the above scenarios related to the bike are possible, clearly the bike may have inspired some really nasty feelings between LB and JB, the exact method perhaps isn't as important as the negative sibling rivalry that resulted.

[Normcar21]

Watch those search sites, Norm! I paid for one to find my ex for child support and the only info it gave me was stuff that he did BEFORE I ever met him! :mad:

Kim, I've already figured that out. :eek:

I should know better, I've been dumped on with a number of "only today" offers with photography. Clearly the "dump ground" extends beyond video and photography into the sleuthing domain.

[SeriouslySearching]

Any of the above scenarios related to the bike are possible, clearly the bike may have inspired some really nasty feelings between LB and JB, the exact method perhaps isn't as important as the negative sibling rivalry that resulted.Which is why I can't clear the brother in this yet...

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmm, great, I just paid $50 for an ident search that is outdated. :boohoo:Oh, no!! :( Maybe it will be updated soon or it isn't up to date on certain things is all. (Trying to make ya feel a bit better. Is it working?!)

[Normcar21]

I'd love to be able to clear him completely, but I continue to be nagged by the "juvie" stuff. I have had experience with kids who have behavior problems, I worked with one individual, a teen, who one day could be so polite, in control, and helpful, then the next day he was the complete opposite, everything setting him off, even the slightest things. On those days he could be quite physical with peers, and the next day he'd be apologizing profusely.

[Normcar21]

Oh, no!! :( Maybe it will be updated soon or it isn't up to date on certain things is all. (Trying to make ya feel a bit better. Is it working?!)

Hey, thanks SS, I actually expected what I got, but was hoping against hope as I stabbed that Paypal key...Paypal is just too easy :behindbar

PS - I really like your Sandra Cantu portrait, really excellent.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know.. I grew up in a poor family. We had limited resources when it came to entertaining ourselves. My brothers and I used to push each other around on our broken bikes, even wheel barrows when times were really tough.

One year we used an old wagon with the axles removed as a sled in the snow.

ETA: I am in no way saying that Lindseys family is poor. I know nothing about their finances. I was just saying that when a kid is bored they will find a way to entertain themselves. Pushing around a broken bike is really not that odd when you have nothing else to do. Who knows if it broke while L was on it, or if it had broken months before. The fact is.. the bike (for whatever reason) was left at the Shell. For how long? No one really knows.I understand. I guess kids do things to entertain themselves that we as adults would never consider. I recall turning the bike upside down and spinning the tires for a long time for no apparent reason. LOL

[Normcar21]

Anyone know of a DMV site where I can paypal $20 to get everything I need? :woohoo:

[SeriouslySearching]

Hey, thanks SS, I actually expected what I got, but was hoping against hope as I stabbed that Paypal key...Paypal is just too easy :behindbar

PS - I really like your Sandra Cantu portrait, really excellent.Off Topic: Thanks~ It was the photo of Sandra with a pair of shoes in her hands and someone in the background on a sofa. I loved the photo because she looks so angelic with the light hitting her face so I manipulated it into a mist or a cloud type background. I can't stand clutter in a photo. ;)

Paypal is too easy. I don't do the paid sites. I use Veromi.net or other free ones.