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analytical
07-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Right to speedy trial waived and waiver granted:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/2009/07/22/coleman-speedy-trial-waiver-granted/

analytical
08-20-2009, 01:57 PM
http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/888747.html

In addition, BND reports "The next court action in the case is a status hearing set for Aug. 26."

Wrinkles
08-20-2009, 06:28 PM
Hey there Analytical,

Thanks for the update article.

I was looking up what a status hearing is (Aug 26th). It appears...

>>A status hearing is when the judge brings the lawyers and / or parties to court to go over the case management issues, such as time to complete discovery, outstanding motions, deadlines, time lines to trial, etc.

You should be prepared to tell the judge where the case is in the litigation process, and what other things you plan to do before trial.<<

It also seems that a plea can be changed at the status hearing. I don't think that is likely in this case, although who knows? If CC were to plead guilty, perhaps he could miss the death penalty and just take 3 life sentences without the possibility of parole. If he continues to court it is a crap shoot, I suppose. I can't imagine that CC thinks he will get off, but perhaps he figures he has to try -- the alternatives are not pretty.

Any specific thoughts on the case recently Analytical?

Wrinkles

VCDaedalus
08-24-2009, 06:46 PM
I don't think Coleman plans to plead guilty, ever. His best chance for a long life is the death penalty. If he's given LWOP (or even a chance at parole), he'll be put in the general prison population. He might not last long, and it would not be a quick or pleasant death.

If he's under the DP, he's in segregation, his physical safety assured. He could outlive every single person in the case: his own parents, Sheri's family, Joyce Meyer. He could live a quiet, secluded life with zero responsibilities and the guarantee of a quick and relatively painless death--whenever that comes around.

No, he won't be pleading guilty.

Wrinkles
08-26-2009, 04:33 AM
Hallo Gang,

Anyone going to the status hearing today?

analytical
08-27-2009, 06:03 AM
"The next status hearing for Coleman is scheduled for Nov. 13. The pretrial is scheduled for Jan. 6.

The trial is expected to begin next spring or summer."

Source: Belleville News Democrat

gmh6419
09-24-2009, 03:20 PM
:truce:His father, who is the pastor of Grace Church in Chester, Ill., will finally "see the light" of the enormity of the evidence and convince Chris (aka, the Beast) to plead guilty and alocute in open court as to the circumstances of the slaughter. That is the only way he will avoid the death penalty. KTBA. My sign off of KTBA stands for KeepTheBeastAlive. It is a message to the jailers of the beast to watch over him carefully to prevent an early exit from this earth by this vile beast. KTBA

who knew?
09-27-2009, 08:48 PM
:truce:His father, who is the pastor of Grace Church in Chester, Ill., will finally "see the light" of the enormity of the evidence and convince Chris (aka, the Beast) to plead guilty and alocute in open court as to the circumstances of the slaughter. That is the only way he will avoid the death penalty. KTBA. My sign off of KTBA stands for KeepTheBeastAlive. It is a message to the jailers of the beast to watch over him carefully to prevent an early exit from this earth by this vile beast. KTBA

BBM
What makes you think that will happen? I'd love to see it happen that way, but that family is too "holier than thou" to admit any wrongdoing. JMO

Wrinkles
09-29-2009, 10:13 AM
Hallo Who Knew,

Good to see you again! And gmh6419, welcome to Websleuths.

I thought I would check in to see if anyone had heard anything...

gmh6419, you could be right -- the jailer should keep an eye on CC, but it seems like if he were going to make an attempt on his life it might have happened before now. Would we have heard if he did?

As for his being encouraged to plead guilty, well we haven't seen that yet -- so if it happened, at what point might that occur? I had hoped that he would plead before the whole world had to hear the details of that which he did in court, via pictures etc. Would an admission of his guilt occur after the trial began and horrors started being spoken and shown?

All of this reminds me, have we heard anymore from Sheri's family's attornies? Has anyone ever heard whether CC's family turned in the material that they were asked for -- does anyone know? Also, there was a status hearing not long ago yes/no? Is anyone aware of what happened at that?

I got particularly frustrated trying to find newspaper articles -- Analytical was good enough to post what he/she was finding. Wish we had a crew of people in the MO area that could keep us updated on things.

lajr56
09-29-2009, 12:35 PM
Hallo Who Knew,

Good to see you again! And gmh6419, welcome to Websleuths.

I thought I would check in to see if anyone had heard anything...

gmh6419, you could be right -- the jailer should keep an eye on CC, but it seems like if he were going to make an attempt on his life it might have happened before now. Would we have heard if he did?

As for his being encouraged to plead guilty, well we haven't seen that yet -- so if it happened, at what point might that occur? I had hoped that he would plead before the whole world had to hear the details of that which he did in court, via pictures etc. Would an admission of his guilt occur after the trial began and horrors started being spoken and shown?

All of this reminds me, have we heard anymore from Sheri's family's attornies? Has anyone ever heard whether CC's family turned in the material that they were asked for -- does anyone know? Also, there was a status hearing not long ago yes/no? Is anyone aware of what happened at that?

I got particularly frustrated trying to find newspaper articles -- Analytical was good enough to post what he/she was finding. Wish we had a crew of people in the MO area that could keep us updated on things.

Here is a link the STLtoday.com website put together with many stories concerning this crime, as well as PDF documents. Coleman has been declared indigent and has been assigned new attorneys. The latest story on this link is of course, the one on top

http://www.stltoday.com/coleman

There was also a story in the Belleville News Democrat about Coleman's new attorney, that many saw as masterful legal maneuvering. It was about the Christian beliefs of Coleman's new attorney. Make of it what you will.

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/921340.html

Wrinkles
09-29-2009, 02:59 PM
Hello lajr56,

Thanks for the links... I'm going to go have a read.

So...CC gets free lawyers because he is indigent BUT the other two high dollar lawyers are staying onboard -- not paid by the state. Well, someone is paying them, yes?

Wrinkles
09-29-2009, 03:56 PM
Hiya lajr56,

What a nice guy O'Gara is, eh? Maybe he can ask the authorities to exhume the ravaged bodies of Sheri and the children and have a look in their faces to see what he sees in them before he works on defending his client CC... Perhaps he can have a look at those faces every day before looking at CC's and heading to court to get "justice."

He is quoted as saying:

>>"You do it because you love being in front of a jury and getting justice."<<

Narcissist? Wants to be in front of a crowd getting all of the attention, wants to be seen by people per just how clever he is at maneuvering and arguing (twisting things, bait and switch artist)?

So...the guy likes attention, he likes the game of "I want to win." As far as "getting justice" -- see who else you can fool bubba -- for whom will he be seeking justice?

He needs to read this:

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

CC didn't just "offend" he "offed" 3 people, 2 of them little children -- his own children.

>>O'Gara will get paid for representing Coleman from the Capital Litigation Trust Fund, earning $151 an hour, about $100 less than the rate for criminal defense lawyers.<<

Well, since he is so interested in all of this, and since the state is hurting for money, and since he is so pious -- why not take minimum wage for his work, or do it gratis? He didn't hop on board before he was given the state litigation money offer, did he? How about he tell the state to use that which he will earn to house CC's butt so that the people of the state don't have to do so.

truecrimejunkie
09-30-2009, 12:17 AM
someone wrote in the comments of the BND article that they knew O'Gara as a good guy and that he tries to get his clients to plead guilty and save the taxpayers from going to trial. Cant see CC agreeing to plead guilty though, I think he will fight to the bitter end with the ridiculous SODDI theory.

Kimster
09-30-2009, 05:51 PM
someone wrote in the comments of the BND article that they knew O'Gara as a good guy and that he tries to get his clients to plead guilty and save the taxpayers from going to trial. Cant see CC agreeing to plead guilty though, I think he will fight to the bitter end with the ridiculous SODDI theory.

I was just about to comment on that comment! LOL! If this man takes his faith seriously, then let's hope he won't lie for CC. That is what I'm praying.

VCDaedalus
10-01-2009, 11:08 PM
He won't plead guilty--that's just asking to die sooner. Coleman wants to stay alive. He won't commit suicide either, I don't know what could lead anyone to such a conclusion. His best hope is to look out for number one and play this thing to the last roll of the dice. Not only that, but his meals, clothing, activities, and health care will all be provided for him indefinitely. And as long as he's still awaiting trial on a DP case, he's tucked away snug as a bug in a rug in physical segregation. Sweet life, if you have no regrets.

gmh6419
10-04-2009, 12:38 PM
To say that the beast is enjoying a "sweet life" is ludicrous. Made to dress in ill fitting jail uniforms is a far cry from the carefully monogramed tailored shirts that he is used to wearing. Eating prison food every day is certainly not a "sweet life". Activities provided for him? What activities? This will all gradually begin to wear on his evil mind and even though he is incapable of remorse or regrets he will "appease" his parents and allucute in open court the details of his horrendous crime and say the "devil took him over" or some other such garbage and obtain LWOP. With this plea he gives up all appeal rights. He will be placed in a segregated prison population due to the fact that he is a child killer and therefore the general population will not have a "shot" at him. In my humble opinion his guilty plea will be entered shortly before the beginning of trial, after all the evidence is known to his defense attorneys. KTBA

who knew?
10-05-2009, 12:06 AM
To say that the beast is enjoying a "sweet life" is ludicrous. Made to dress in ill fitting jail uniforms is a far cry from the carefully monogramed tailored shirts that he is used to wearing. Eating prison food every day is certainly not a "sweet life". Activities provided for him? What activities? This will all gradually begin to wear on his evil mind and even though he is incapable of remorse or regrets he will "appease" his parents and allucute in open court the details of his horrendous crime and say the "devil took him over" or some other such garbage and obtain LWOP. With this plea he gives up all appeal rights. He will be placed in a segregated prison population due to the fact that he is a child killer and therefore the general population will not have a "shot" at him. In my humble opinion his guilty plea will be entered shortly before the beginning of trial, after all the evidence is known to his defense attorneys. KTBA

Do you think so? Do his parents now admit he is guilty? Have they quit defending their son? I certainly hope so.

I doubt CC is enjoying his prison time - after all, he seemed to be all about the women, and I don't believe he has any of those available. I hope he lives the rest of his life regretting what he did to his family.

VCDaedalus
10-05-2009, 03:24 PM
Enjoyment and contentment have many definitions. For one thing, he no longer needs to work or kiss anyone's patootie--not his dad's, not his wife's family, not Joyce or Dave.

All his meals are provided. Good food can come with visitors or as gifts.

His health will be monitored, free of charge. In fact, his health care will probably be better than that of any uninsured American who hasn't committed murder.

He'll be physically safe. Won't be mugged, won't be the victim of a home invasion. Mario Weiss can't get to him, nor can any of Sheri's family. He's protected as much as possible from anyone who might wield a gun in the courtroom.

He can think what he wants, read what he wants, correspond with whomever he wants. HE HAS NO RESPONSIBILITIES.

Daddy Ron and Mom don't have unlimited access to him the way they did before. If he's sick of the whole religion thing, he can bar the door to Daddy Ron forever more. Couldn't do that before he was arrested!

There are some people in this world who are happy as clams when holed up in a single room with their Find-A-Word puzzles and delivered meals.

A happy life? Maybe not. But did Chris have a happy life before the murders anyway?

In my humble opinion, Chris Coleman now has a life more suited to his character and personality. He won't suffer being locked up the way another person would. If he thought prison was a fate worse than the DP he wouldn't be playing the game to the last card.

gmh6419
10-05-2009, 08:40 PM
Do you think so? Do his parents now admit he is guilty? Have they quit defending their son? I certainly hope so.

I doubt CC is enjoying his prison time - after all, he seemed to be all about the women, and I don't believe he has any of those available. I hope he lives the rest of his life regretting what he did to his family. I agree with you that he certainly isn't enjoying himself. If someone says he is as "snug as a bug in a rug" then if you consider spending all your time in an eight by ten foot cell where even your toilet is exposed, then I guess that is really "snug". LOL You can't read what you want, it has to be approved. All incoming and outgoing letters are read by jail personnell. Keep The Beast Alive (KTBA) means the jailers are to prevent suicide so this purtrid piece of slime deals with the full meaning of justice.

adnoid
10-06-2009, 05:02 PM
Go back and edit out the personal attacks right now.

ETA: I don't give a damn who started what, if I find a single personal attack when I get back you'll be gone.

gmh6419
10-07-2009, 01:22 PM
To those interested in the Beason, Ill case of 5 murders in a single house there is a news conference today at 2pm and there is also a report that LE has closed north road out of Beason today as they did on day of murders. Apparently they are back at the house. KTBA

gmh6419
10-07-2009, 04:54 PM
To those interested in the Beason, Ill case of 5 murders in a single house there is a news conference today at 2pm and there is also a report that LE has closed north road out of Beason today as they did on day of murders. Apparently they are back at the house. KTBA News conference as been moved to 5:30pm this evening. Speculation in town is another arrest has been made.

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Jodibug
12-09-2009, 12:15 PM
Anyone know when Coleman's next court date is?

CCup
12-14-2009, 06:42 PM
There is a hearing for the civil suit on December 18th but according to the STL Post Dispatch the lawyers for Sheri Coleman's family have asked for an extention because of them had open heart surgery. Here is the link to the story STLP-D ran on December 10th.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/2009/12/10/attorneys-seek-delay-of-coleman-civil-suit/

I also believe there was a court date for the criminal trial scheduled for January 6th but it has been pushed back to March 29th.

Hope this helps!

gmh6419
01-23-2010, 02:20 PM
I don't think Coleman plans to plead guilty, ever. His best chance for a long life is the death penalty. If he's given LWOP (or even a chance at parole), he'll be put in the general prison population. He might not last long, and it would not be a quick or pleasant death.

If he's under the DP, he's in segregation, his physical safety assured. He could outlive every single person in the case: his own parents, Sheri's family, Joyce Meyer. He could live a quiet, secluded life with zero responsibilities and the guarantee of a quick and relatively painless death--whenever that comes around.

No, he won't be pleading guilty. Yes he will be pleading guilty to save his own life. His father, the Rev. Ronald Coleman, Grace Church in Chester Ill., will finally convince him to save his soul he must confess. Wether the confession will be sincere is another matter, but HE WILL CONFESS> KTBA ktba

CCup
01-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Coleman defense team is given until March 1st to ask for a change of venue

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/1110076.html

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/2010/01/29/deadline-set-to-move-coleman-trial/

Lola
02-01-2010, 10:52 AM
I understand these defense teams trying to let some time go over this crime, looking for a change of venue, but seriously -- do they honestly think just because emotions are not running as high as they once may have been and that because a young mother and her two children are not from the community that this alleged piece of human scum will not get the max?? They're only kidding themselves....and running up their fees I suspect.