2009.07.24 Nancy Grace

[panthera]

Good evening! :seeya:

Mike Brooks is in for Nancy tonight.

[panthera]

Starting out about the search warrants, details released. Seized from Dr. M's storage unit include a suspension from Doctors Hospital. Another interview with LE possible early next week.

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Mike Brooks has two search warrants in hand. One for Dr. M's office, other for a self-service storage unit. Searching for evidence of the offense of manslaughter. Two e-mails to a woman named Stacy who is reported to be the manager of Dr. K's office. Could connect the two doctors.

Estate attorneys: personal property of $5.5 million recovered. Hospital confirms doctor suspended from practice, calls offense "routine".

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Mike noting that the search warrants are for evidence of manslaughter ~ specifically ~ and that probable cause would be needed to get a judge to sign the warrant. We don't know what's in the affidavit though. One guest saying not much needed for LE from Los Angeles investigating MJ's death to get a Texas judge to sign the warrants. Same guest questioning why the DEA agents were involved on such a small thing except it's MJ's (a celebrity) death being investigated. MB disagrees.

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Showing video now of house in Las Vegas that MJ wanted to buy when he finished concert tour. Taking phone calls from viewers. Caller wants to know if Dr. M's Las Vegas office was searched also. Producer Natisha Lance saying it seems that office is closed.

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Discussion now about Dr. M and the salary he originally wanted was about $1 million per month. AEG agreed to pay him $150,000 per month.

MJ estate attorneys: millions recovered from former advisors.

Brian Oxman on now. Family gives an "A+" to the LAPD and California AG Jerry Brown for their investigation.

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Caller asking if LE checked to see if the landline phones at MJ's house really didn't work. MB also questioning Dr. M's CPR technique.

Another caller asking about Dr. M's financial status since IRS records were seized, and if he'd filed for bankruptcy. Reporter saying he stood to lose property if he didn't get his finances together.

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Talking now about the search warrants, Fed Ex shipments and possibility of Dr. M shipping propofol to MJ from Texas to California. Also pamphlets on sleep centers found. MB asking a doctor what the purpose of sleep centers are and asking a reporter if it's known if MJ ever checked into one. He's saying it's known that MJ had a problem with sleep including asking CL for propofol weeks earlier. The sleep center in question is connected to Doctors Hosp. where Dr. M was working.

Natisha Lance talking about Stacy H. and her job as manager for Dr. K and how these two doctors could be connected.

Found in the storage unit: documents including an incomplete chart for a patient at the hospital, suspension notice from hospital. Possible reason for his suspension. Also found a Medical Board certificate that expired in 08/08.

Talking now about the $5.5 million recovered, and the family's current financial situation. MJ always cared for his mother according to BO.

[wandering]

Just wanted to mention that NG said about her book: "part of MY proceeds go to..."

That's for those who asked a night or two ago.

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Talking now about the children and possible custody issues, including Janet, children's requests. The $5.5 million was obtained by former advisors. MB asking how the money will be split. The court will look into the needs of the children and their caregivers.

[wandering]

The Jackson women are powerful and they dominate the family, says Oxman.

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BO saying the children have always loved their grandmother, KJ. He's also talking about the Jackson women and their dominance, and the children won't be lacking for any kind of care with the family. Dan Horowitz saying Joe J. is an abusive man and the kids shouldn't be with him.

[whiteangora]

Thanks Panthera for the thread. I was about to start it but I got called away for family stuff.
BTW, where is everyone? Now that MJ has his own forum it seems most of the posters have disappeared.:confused:
Sorry for OT.

[wandering]

Talking now about the children and possible custody issues, including Janet, children's requests. The $5.5 million was obtained by former advisors. MB asking how the money will be split. The court will look into the needs of the children and their caregivers.

CASH. How does that look? i can't imagine. That must be the money in the house that LaToya was yelling about, ya think?

[whiteangora]

The Jackson women are powerful and they dominate the family, says Oxman.

I think Oxman is full of it. But maybe now that Joe is older he is losing some of his stronghold.

[panthera]

Thanks Panthera for the thread. I was about to start it but I got called away for family stuff.
BTW, where is everyone? Now that MJ has his own forum it seems most of the posters have disappeared.:confused:
Sorry for OT.
You're most welcome! I just figured it's Friday night so everybody's doing something fun! :D

[wandering]

I think Oxman is full of it. But maybe now that Joe is older he is losing some of his stronghold.

Yeh, I think Oxman should write romance novels, lol...

About Joe...many abusive fathers lighten up after 50. Mine did. Must be hormones.

[panthera]

CASH. How does that look? i can't imagine. That must be the money in the house that LaToya was yelling about, ya think?
It sounds like a good possibility! :)


(I'd like just part of it!!)

[panthera]

That's it for tonight! The show will repeat in an hour for anybody who missed it. :)

[wandering]

It sounds like a good possibility! :)


(I'd like just part of it!!)

I'd just like to LOOK at it, lol...

Well, if the advisors turned it over, I think they can be trusted. They probably took it for safe-keeping, when the emergency happened. It appears that Michael surrounded himself with people he could trust, who loved him. I would like to think so.

Except for Dr. Murray.

[panthera]

I'd just like to LOOK at it, lol...

Well, if the advisors turned it over, I think they can be trusted. They probably took it for safe-keeping, when the emergency happened. It appears that Michael surrounded himself with people he could trust, who loved him. I would like to think so.

Except for Dr. Murray.
Yes and I'm just learning more about Dr. M watching the repeat of JVM's show ~ that 2 women went to the storage facility and took stuff out about 3 hrs. before MJ "died" (or was he already beyond help then?). :eek:

[wandering]

Yes and I'm just learning more about Dr. M watching the repeat of JVM's show ~ that 2 women went to the storage facility and took stuff out about 3 hrs. before MJ "died" (or was he already beyond help then?). :eek:

Yes, I read that. "In the AM..." is what I read. Hiding/disposing of evidence is a very serious charge, if in fact they did.

Intense interrogation should be happening with them. Oh, everything takes so long in this case!

[GreenEyedGirl]

Yes and I'm just learning more about Dr. M watching the repeat of JVM's show ~ that 2 women went to the storage facility and took stuff out about 3 hrs. before MJ "died" (or was he already beyond help then?). :eek:

I would wager to say you're probably right-he may have already been beyond help. I'm going to say they were already starting to cover their bums. JMO, of course.

[panthera]

Yes, I read that. "In the AM..." is what I read. Hiding/disposing of evidence is a very serious charge, if in fact they did.

Intense interrogation should be happening with them. Oh, everything takes so long in this case!
JVM was talking about that too and why the investigation didn't start immediately. I thought LAPD sent robbery/homicide detectives to the house right away? :waitasec: Sometimes there just isn't probable cause for a s/w until the autopsy or tox results come in. MOO

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I would wager to say you're probably right-he may have already been beyond help. I'm going to say they were already starting to cover their bums. JMO, of course.
I think he (the doctor) could've known something went wrong and tried to cover up before calling 911, even though MJ could still have been breathing ~ but unresponsive. MOO

[Theonly1]

What I found surprising is the DISCUSSION about what was going to happen with the $5.5 million in cash. Most attorneys should know it would automatically go in the asset pile for the estate. It is not a windfall or extra cash to be disbursed outside of the estate plan.

[panthera]

What I found surprising is the DISCUSSION about what was going to happen with the $5.5 million in cash. Most attorneys should know it would automatically go in the asset pile for the estate. It is not a windfall or extra cash to be disbursed outside of the estate plan.
I noticed that too! They made it sound as if somebody had just won the Lotto or whatnot. MOO

[Theonly1]

I noticed that too! They made it sound as if somebody had just won the Lotto or whatnot. MOO

Or that it was funny money! I hate to say it, but I wonder how the money would have been handled if it had been in the house Michael was renting. Would it have been brought to the estate's attention?

And, I neglected to mention before, most attorneys should know that not only would $5.5 million dollars go right into the estate but logically it would go into some kind of interest bearing or money making account (in order to make sufficient interest on the money). It would NOT be sitting around in cash anywhere.

[whiteangora]

What I found surprising is the DISCUSSION about what was going to happen with the $5.5 million in cash. Most attorneys should know it would automatically go in the asset pile for the estate. It is not a windfall or extra cash to be disbursed outside of the estate plan.

Who was doing the discussing, the media or the attorneys?

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Or that it was funny money! I hate to say it, but I wonder how the money would have been handled if it had been in the house Michael was renting. Would it have been brought to the estate's attention?

And, I neglected to mention before, most attorneys should know that not only would $5.5 million dollars go right into the estate but logically it would go into some kind of interest bearing or money making account (in order to make sufficient interest on the money). It would NOT be sitting around in cash anywhere.
I'll just say, if it had been in the rented house where he died, I believe somebody would've removed at least part of it while cleaning out the house. :twocents:

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Who was doing the discussing, the media or the attorneys?
The TH attorneys on the show.

[whiteangora]

The TH attorneys on the show.

Oh, I thought it was being implied that the J estate attorneys were saying those things. I guess the attorneys on NG are not well versed in Estate Law. Thanks

[oceanblueeyes]

What I found surprising is the DISCUSSION about what was going to happen with the $5.5 million in cash. Most attorneys should know it would automatically go in the asset pile for the estate. It is not a windfall or extra cash to be disbursed outside of the estate plan.

It seems there is much more money than that. The Administrators seem to know that until the insurance trust is completed that KJ and the children will need monthly support. I am sure that will be handled quickly most likely when the Judge permanently appoints the Administrators. They are probably waiting on the COD/MOD too in order to proceed.

They seem to already know they will have enough money to pay off the creditors and have many millions left over to go to Katherine, the children and charities.

MJ has been making millions since his death and the last I read Sony gave 60 million for his last rehearsals.

Personally I think it is going to be mind boggling the amount of money this estate is going to wind up with even after paying the debts.

And these lawyers are very sharp. They will get to the bottom of any debt given to the court to see if it has been over embellished and will negotiate a lower price to pay the debts off. That is very common and there may be more money out there of MJs that needs to be returned.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Or that it was funny money! I hate to say it, but I wonder how the money would have been handled if it had been in the house Michael was renting. Would it have been brought to the estate's attention?

And, I neglected to mention before, most attorneys should know that not only would $5.5 million dollars go right into the estate but logically it would go into some kind of interest bearing or money making account (in order to make sufficient interest on the money). It would NOT be sitting around in cash anywhere.

However they received it I have no doubt once in their hands they have done exactly what is expected of them by the court.

I think MJs lawyers are some of the best. They know how to make this estate grow and what is the best for the estate.

imo

[Theonly1]

Who was doing the discussing, the media or the attorneys?

The media/attorney talking heads on the show (who should have known better)