Lindsay 8, and Samuel 7 Porter missing since 6/6/04

[Doyle]

Authorities today are searching Grundy County to find two missing Independence children after police found the children's duffle-bag of clothing.

Independence police said the bag was found in a wooded area, three to five miles east of Trenton, Mo., and south of Missouri 6.

Lindsay, 8, and Samuel, 7, have been missing since June 6 when their father Daniel Porter failed to return them to his estranged wife.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/8920634.htm

[Doyle]

Independence authorities are still looking for eight-year-old Lindsay and seven-year-old Samuel Porter.
Searchers found clothing over the weekend packed by the children's mother. The clothing was found in Trenton, near the area deputies arrested their father Daniel Porter, Thursday.
He was supposed to take the kids back to his estranged wife, last Sunday but never did.
Porter told police his kids were in Oklahoma City, but would not say exactly where. http://www.kshb.com/kshb/home/article/0,1925,KSHB_9410_2955958,00.html

[Ghostwheel]

http://www.ky3.com/newsdetailed.asp?id=6356

"MYRTLE, Ark. -- Law officers think it’s possible that two missing children from northern Missouri are in a remote rural area of Boone County north of Harrison. No one has reported seeing the children since June 4."


I hope a relative, however misguided, does have them.

[englishleigh]

I'm really worried about these two children. It doesn't sound good. Why would their clothing turn up and not them with it?? If they are alive, what are they wearing, the same old clothes they have been wearing for days?? Why isn't the father talking??

This reminds me of that case last summer where the two children were taken by the father from like CT, I think, and he turned up in CA but the kids were never found, I don't think. He confessed to killing them but could not tell the authorities exactly where he buried them along the route, I think it was supposed to be in OH somewhere but I'm not sure they were ever found.

I believe there is a special place in hell for parents who kill their own children.

[fivekidz4me]

Juliana
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 275

3 Bound Bodies Wash Ashore

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The bodies of a man and 2 children, bound together, have washed ashore a lake in Wisconsin.

Poor babies!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/...s.ap/index.html

I read this over in Crimes in the News-Is it possible this is connected? This is such horrible news...prayers for those babies.

[Juliana]

Juliana
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 275

3 Bound Bodies Wash Ashore

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The bodies of a man and 2 children, bound together, have washed ashore a lake in Wisconsin.

Poor babies!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/...s.ap/index.html

I read this over in Crimes in the News-Is it possible this is connected? This is such horrible news...prayers for those babies.


Here's an update. Sounds as if LE suspects a boating accident - they believe the adult may have tied the children to him to keep them all together. So sad to think of all of them floating together, hoping to be rescued.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/06/20/bodies.found.ap/index.html

[LvsAMystry]

I don't think it sounds like a boating accident with them waiting to be found -- they apparently had bags of sand attached to them and one of the boys had sand filling his pockets with the pockets zipped shut. I'd say it seems decidedly like not wanting to be found. Very sad indeed.

[Juliana]

I don't think it sounds like a boating accident with them waiting to be found -- they apparently had bags of sand attached to them and one of the boys had sand filling his pockets with the pockets zipped shut. I'd say it seems decidedly like not wanting to be found. Very sad indeed.

Where did you read that? Do you have a link? That is so awful!

Here it is! Answered my own questions! How sad! I had not heard that these people were missing!

IMO

http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2004/06/20/local/iq_2948091.txt

[Ghostwheel]

You guys scared me. I thought the dead children were Lindsay and Samuel.

[Ghostwheel]

http://www.wdaftv4.com/fullstory.asp?ID=4545
Offering a reward for any tips leading to the recovery of the children.

[englishleigh]

This is one of those situations where I wish TORTURE could be used to get someone to talk!!!! :mad:

[Love_Mama]

If the father of these children won't talk...........they're probably dead!

Prayers and more prayers!
xxxxxxxxoooooooo
mama

[emma l]

Has anyone heard anymore about this case? Its so terrible that he won't speak out- their poor mother must being going through hell on earth. i think he should stay in jail until he speaks up.......................

[WasBlind]

America's Most Wanted will air this story on

Saturday (09/04/2004) on the Fox network

Lindsey Porter, 8, and Samuel Porter, 7,

have been missing since June 6.

http://www.ipcorp.com/samandlindsey/Index.htm

With HOPE, Lanie
HelpForTheMissing@yahoo.com
Ask me about Calling Cards of Hope!

*special thanks to Linda at FOMLO for sending me this*

[emma l]

A small update on these 2 children. Nothing fantastic I'm afraid.

Where ARE they?


Kidnapping suspect faces firearm charges...........

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/9577835.htm

[coldcasedetective]

The Porter Case was on Dr. Phil tonight. He's going to do anything he can to find them. They talked to Dan's best friend, who claims to know nothing about the kids whereabouts. Tina, the kids' mother, doesn't believe it, so a polygraph will be issued. She told them that Dan was going to take the kids out of state, but didn't think that it was a necessary piece of info to LE. All I can do is shake my head at that.

[CaliKid]

Was the polygraph given? What were the results?

[jannuncutt]

Was the polygraph given? What were the results?
Lisa flunked the polygraph. No surprise there! I can't understand her attitude. She has information that is is not sharing. She told them that after Dan took the children he told her that he left them with a friend on a farm near where he grew up. Why didn't she let LE know about this before? I don't know whether or not she knows where the children are, but I do know that she is one dumb woman. :furious:

[coldcasedetective]

Yeah, I just saw that on the show. I didn't like the look of her the first time I saw her. It really isn't a shock she lied. She's gotta know where those kids are, she failed by quite a bit on that question (the lowest number to indicate deception is -36, she was -31). Why won't she just tell everyone where those kids are?! She just seems so cold when talking to Tina Porter. I also hate the way she's playing the role of the victim. "I don't see why Tina could just call me, why did I have to call her?" Um, Hello? Her kids are missing. It's probably not the first thing on her mind to call you. Woman needs an attitude adjustment.
JMO,
Erin

[blueclouds]

OMG... I saw the first program... didn't see the one with the results. Someone smack this woman across her head with a rock please? What A NUTCASE... SEE MOTHER'S INSTINCTS.... THE MOM KNEW SHE WAS LYING.....

OMG I'm PEED OFF

[ShowerSinger]

Yeah, I saw Dr. Phil today. That woman should be thrown in jail, too! Can't they charge her with obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, perjury--or how about alientation of affection--for the mother's love of her children. This "woman," (and that's the nicest term I can use for the *itch) is soooo full of herself. I hope her current husband can force the truth out of her, and perhaps he should consider d-i-v-o-r-c-e. I worry this man is playing her, and the children might not be okay. I pray they are, but this is ridiculous. The father needs to be in a cell with a few big Bubba's, and she needs a cell with a few big Bertha's. How about a truth serum cocktail for the both of them. Oh, and that bs about her being "lied" to about her "best friend" attempting suicide, but she says she knows he didn't---after all, her daughter and her just spoke to the convict! I think the mom showed super-human restraint, by not attacking the *itch!

[richandfamous]

You can bet the cops nailed her hard (off camera) after the show. I could tell the cop that talked to her wanted to slap her but knew he had to be nice on camera. I suspect we will hear something in a few days but I don't expect it to be good news. jmo

[jubie]

I didn't see the show, is there anywhere on line that I can learn more about this "Lisa" person, her comments and her involvement?

Thanks!


Jubie

[Melly]

The show summary can be found:

http://www.drphil.com/show/show.jhtml?contentId=3126_kidnap2.xml

[jubie]

Thanks Melly,


Shouldn't this women be grilled by the police?



How sad.




Jubie

[teonspaleprincess]

Did anyone else catch the update show where Dr. Phil showed what went on after the show? The detective questioned her and she turned over letters from the father. They said that they think that she has a relationship with the father and she was trying to downplay her involvement with him because she was possibly hiding it from her hubby. She did say that he told her taht the kids were in her hometown..but I cannot remember where that was. I think that maybe the kids are with one of HER family members and she is scared to incriminate them.

[richandfamous]

Did anyone else catch the update show where Dr. Phil showed what went on after the show? The detective questioned her and she turned over letters from the father. They said that they think that she has a relationship with the father and she was trying to downplay her involvement with him because she was possibly hiding it from her hubby. She did say that he told her taht the kids were in her hometown..but I cannot remember where that was. I think that maybe the kids are with one of HER family members and she is scared to incriminate them.


I thought she said the dad told her the kids where on a farm near where the woman graduated.
And she said what the name was but I didn't catch it. I think it was in Missouri???? And then when the mom was told what she said....the mom said that all of that womans family lives there!!! She was very irrate.

[richandfamous]

Heres what happened after the show:
http://www.drphil.com/show/show.jhtml?contentId=3126_kidnap2.xml&section=&subsection=

After her confrontation with Tina, Lisa is questioned by Michael Sanders, chief prosecutor on this case. Lisa reveals that Dan called her daughter the previous night and said that he was really sorry Lisa was involved in all of this. She adds, "Anytme I try to bring up the kids, he just shuts me off and I'm afraid that if I just keep at it he'll quit trusting me and won't tell me anything at all."

Though Lisa has never known Dan to be violent, she says he was "erratic and extra hyper" when she spoke with him after he took the kids.

"Did he say where he was?" Mr. Sanders probes.

"He said, 'Close to where you graduated,'" Lisa tells him, noting that she graduated in Princeton, Missouri.

"Did he say whether the kids were with him?"

"No. He said that he had taken them to a friend's that had a farm, and that they were having a good time. He said that they were with a friend that Tina doesn't know," Lisa reveals.

That witch knows where they are!!! jmo

[richandfamous]

Here's more:

Mr. Sanders meets with Tina to tell her what he has found out from Lisa.

"We just learned that her daughter had talked to Dan in the last 24 hours and that he had indicated to her daughter that the kids were safe," he says. "Now, for the first time, she told us that was in the Princeton area."

"Her family's in Princeton," a shocked Tina says. "Why wouldn't she tell you guys that?"

Lisa also admitted that she talks to Dan on the phone about once a week.

Tina shares her ex-husband's plan. "He said he's going to take the fifth. He's going to plead guilty and not say anything. He already told me that."

"Does that mean he's not going to say anything about where the children are at?" Mr. Sanders asks Tina and she says yes. "I think he's rolling some big dice and he's looking at quite a bit of time in the Missouri Department of Corrections."

"So we might not ever find them?" Tina asks.

"We're going to be there for you and bring them home together,"

[richandfamous]

What kind of personality disorder would you say this Lisa woman has???
I've seen it before but can't put my finger on it.

[richandfamous]

Lisa's daughter is named Dani....how weird is that? Maybe she is Dan's daughter and that explains why he would call and talk to her on the phone also. just a possibility....?

[richandfamous]

Could this also explain Lisa's hostility for Tina!!! And the fact that she doesn't care about Tina's kids...wonder if she is jealous of Tina. Sorry, just thinking out loud here.

[Sunnmoon]

so did anyone go to the farm and try to get the kids?

Lord, update us on this! :doh:

[richandfamous]

so did anyone go to the farm and try to get the kids?

Lord, update us on this! :doh:

I've been reading Dr Phil message board on this and there seems to be some activity in this area! Hope to hear some offical word soon!

[Scorpion]

Just read this thread for the first time. How sad - my gut feeling is certainly that if the father's not talking the kids are unlikely to be alive.

I fed Princeton, MI into the Topozone site and it came back with Marquette County - can anybody tell me if that's right? If the father was telling the truth and if he wanted to hide bodies somewhere, the whole area is absolutely riddled with mines. It would be almost impossible to find someone down there. Also a river and a convenient lake, as well as a pit and presumably a few quarries. Can't see any farms obviously marked. I shall switch to the Terraserver to see what the photos look like. USGS will also tell what sort of waterbodies are there - eg whether they're "bottomless", "seasonal" etc but the choices he'd have had if that was what he was after look almost endless. It seems to me that he's thinking "no bodies, no proof". But you can bring murder charges without a body, can't you? I'm sure it's been done before.

[ETA - A blow-up of the area on Terraserver clearly shows plenty of cultivated land but very little apparent habitation. Shouldn't be too difficult to find the "friend's" family's farm if she's finally telling the truth. Finding anything hidden on that land is going to be an entirely different problem, IMHO. Wetlands shows two huge ballast pits with excavated bottoms and a couple of forested areas with waterbodies in the middle, as well as many smaller areas of water, some with "unconsolidated bottoms" (eg cobble/gravel/sand/mud, presumably as a result of mining/quarrying). Looks like a nightmarish area to have to search to me. Anybody able to get a fix on where exactly this farm might be - can the "friend's" family name be found and linked to an address in the area?]

[richandfamous]

Just read this thread for the first time. How sad - my gut feeling is certainly that if the father's not talking the kids are unlikely to be alive.

I fed Princeton, MI into the Topozone site and it came back with Marquette County - can anybody tell me if that's right? If the father was telling the truth and if he wanted to hide bodies somewhere, the whole area is absolutely riddled with mines. It would be almost impossible to find someone down there. Also a river and a convenient lake, as well as a pit and presumably a few quarries. Can't see any farms obviously marked. I shall switch to the Terraserver to see what the photos look like. USGS will also tell what sort of waterbodies are there - eg whether they're "bottomless", "seasonal" etc but the choices he'd have had if that was what he was after look almost endless. It seems to me that he's thinking "no bodies, no proof". But you can bring murder charges without a body, can't you? I'm sure it's been done before.

[ETA - A blow-up of the area on Terraserver clearly shows plenty of cultivated land but very little apparent habitation. Shouldn't be too difficult to find the "friend's" family's farm if she's finally telling the truth. Finding anything hidden on that land is going to be an entirely different problem, IMHO. Wetlands shows two huge ballast pits with excavated bottoms and a couple of forested areas with waterbodies in the middle, as well as many smaller areas of water, some with "unconsolidated bottoms" (eg cobble/gravel/sand/mud, presumably as a result of mining/quarrying). Looks like a nightmarish area to have to search to me. Anybody able to get a fix on where exactly this farm might be - can the "friend's" family name be found and linked to an address in the area?]

Scorpion, the family friend (Lisa Adkins or Atkins) graduated there and has family there...wouldn't know what their names might be because that is probably her married name.
I also heard her (Lisa) say that the dad had a favorite fishing camping place and that the police should look there. Could she (Lisa) be trying to tell the cops and Mom that is where to look for the bodies? Lisa is very deceptive and uncooperative imo.

[richandfamous]

From the Crime Library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/missing_children/samuel_lindsey_porter.html)

excerp: interesting info

Tina visited Dan at the jail and asked him where her children were. She told authorities that "He keeps saying 'The kids are right there. Why can't you find them?' " When Tina asked Dan why he was doing this and when would she get the children back, she said he would reply "The only way I can hurt you is to keep the children from you. You'll never see them again." Dan Porter still refuses to cooperate with law enforcement authorities and remains under arrest. The FBI is aiding in the investigation of the case. On June 25th Dan was indicted on two counts of parental kidnapping and federal charges of felonious possession of firearms.


sounds to me like it's to late...jmo

[richandfamous]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/missing_children/samuel_lindsey_porter.jpg

[richandfamous]

kanasacity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/)
Prosecutor Sanders goes on TV in Porter case

By JOE ROBERTSON

The Kansas City Star


The woman said that Daniel Porter told her by phone during that June weekend that the children were in the Princeton area in Mercer County, just north of Grundy County where Porter was later arrested.

Scorpion, does that narrow it down any?

[richandfamous]

Investigators said that they founnd a backpack along Highway 6 outside Trenton. The clothing articles were apparently what the children packed with them.

[richandfamous]

www.kansascity.com
Search for missing children focuses on Grundy County

By LINDA MAN The Kansas City Star


Authorities today are searching Grundy County to find two missing Independence children after police found the children's duffle-bag of clothing.

Independence police said the bag was found in a wooded area, three to five miles east of Trenton, Mo., and south of Missouri 6.

Authorities are using search dogs to comb wooded areas near Trenton. In an earlier search, Independence police earlier found four weapons — three handguns and one long gun — in the Missouri River at La Benite Park in Sugar Creek. Police said one weapon was registered to Porter. Police are uncertain whether the weapon had been discharged.

this article is from June 04

[jubie]

Is there any truth to 'truth serum'? :confused:

If so, for the life of me, I don't understand why there hasn't been more use of it in situations like this!! :banghead:

Get a judge or a jury to approve the use of it in every case if that silences the ney-sayers but for crying out loud use whatever means to extract some truth from a slime ball excuse of a father like this!!! :furious: :furious:



Sadly, I too fear there isn't much hope but I will keep praying and checking back here.



An aside.... has anyone that checks back on the missing people threads thought about helping to do whatever you can? Maybe, just maybe, there are a few posters you can hang up for a family missing someone from across the country that can't possibly cover every square inch themselves!!



I am amazed at the compassion I find in the missing peoples forums but if you're on the fence about offering to help just do it!



Hugs
Jubie

[lady-eowyn]

But you can bring murder charges without a body, can't you? I'm sure it's been done before.
Yep..Willie Crain was convicted here in Florida (where else...and he was also a sex offender with years of history of sexual abuse on children) for the murder of 7 yr old Amanda Brown

http://www.courttv.com/trials/taped/crain.html

[Scorpion]

Scorpion, the family friend (Lisa Adkins or Atkins) graduated there and has family there...wouldn't know what their names might be because that is probably her married name.

Well, hopefully LE/the press are onto it.

I also heard her (Lisa) say that the dad had a favorite fishing camping place and that the police should look there. Could she (Lisa) be trying to tell the cops and Mom that is where to look for the bodies? Lisa is very deceptive and uncooperative imo.

Thanks for that info, Rich and Famous. I'll go back and see what the maps turn up. Unfortunately, that's all I can do. At first I thought the dad might frequent the wooded smaller lakes, but then I zoomed out very slightly and saw that there's a massive collection of large lakes just to the southeast of Princeton, which is a far more likely haunt for fishermen. I'll have a hunt round see if there's any sign of a camping area in the vicinity. [ETA: Zooming out just slightly further gave up a significant number of other lakes, but I'm thinking those closest (Miller Lake/Shag Lake and Little Shag Lake) are the likeliest.]

I'm not sure whether this woman can be trusted. And, of course, the father could be lying to her in the first place. But it's giving me something to do!

[Scorpion]

[URL=http://www.crimelibrary.com/missing_children/samuel_lindsey_porter.html]sounds to me like it's to late...jmo
Me too - but it's still necessary to find them. If only for their family's peace of mind and the chance to nail the b*st*rd who did this to them, should that be the case.

Scorpion, does that narrow it down any?
Thanks, Richandfamous - haven't actually done any looking, due to it being feedtime and then there was an interesting programme on.... - just about to start now. What I really need is a fully detailed map, with absolutely everything listed, but I doubt I'll find that over here - Topozone will have to do.

[Scorpion]

Yep..Willie Crain was convicted here in Florida (where else...and he was also a sex offender with years of history of sexual abuse on children) for the murder of 7 yr old Amanda Brown
Pleased to hear it, Lady E. This guy does sound incredibly cruel.

[Scorpion]

Right - think I've found the right area now! Sorry about that. Comes of not knowing anything about the US! Should have realised that it would be downright impossible to graduate in the middle of nowhere! MI presumably isn't Missouri? The Princeton I'd found was clearly the wrong one. Princeton is, of course, as I'm sure everybody but me here knows - actually right by Trenton. :doh: :bang: :doh:

Back to the drawing board. So, a farm with fishing facilities..... :truce:

OK - not a lot more promising. Princeton itself has two large pit waterbodies - but one seems to incorporate a sewage plant. Again, loads of water. Handy river - of course we don't know what type of fishing this guy prefers. Quarry as well. Even an underground reservoir and a fairground! But no obvious campsites - of course, I'm assuming a camper van or set site, when it could just be a tent pitched anywhere. The river valley actually looks like the best bet for a farm, as the rest of the area's quite uneven. It's getting late here and I'm not going to get much more done tonight. If anybody else wants to take up the reins, do feel free. I'm only an amateur who can read maps reasonably well (as long as I get the right co-ordinates in the first place)!

[ETA - Looks like most of the farming is in that river valley. And, of course, that's roughly the route of Highway (or is that Interstate?) 65 which drives due south to join Highway 6 around Trenton, just where everything Richandfamous mentions was found....]

[richandfamous]

Right - think I've found the right area now! Sorry about that. Comes of not knowing anything about the US! Should have realised that it would be downright impossible to graduate in the middle of nowhere! MI presumably isn't Missouri? The Princeton I'd found was clearly the wrong one. Princeton is, of course, as I'm sure everybody but me here knows - actually right by Trenton. :doh: :bang: :doh:

Back to the drawing board. So, a farm with fishing facilities..... :truce:


Princeton Missouri is where Lisa Atkins graduated and the area the dad is referring to I believe. Thanks for looking it up on the topo maps!

[Scorpion]

Thanks for looking it up on the topo maps!
Sorry about the delay in getting back on this. I've been waiting for a quiet evening when I could concentrate. The depressing thing is that that whole route between Princeton and Trenton is riddled with water bodies of various sizes - even a few rock quarries (which I never like the look of when it comes to cases like this) - but no obvious farms or fishing facilities. I will have to spend some time with the Terraserver and see what I can pick up. I have come down Interstate 65 (at least I think it's an Interstate) from Princeton to where it meets Highway 6 at Trenton and followed it out to what seems to the be the area where they found the duffle bag. Nothing much in the way of features - it's just a fairly large area of woodland with a creek running through. I guess they could be there. There is, of course, the massive looking Lake Trenton, which comprises two parts, one of which looks man-made in shape. I imagine it's been dredged. I haven't been able to locate Sugar Creek, although I have got a Honey Creek. Anybody point me in the right direction?

There's nothing to really indicate the father's telling the truth in any of this. I imagine he wants to make it as difficult as possible for the mother.

I've done as much as I can tonight. Tomorrow is another day.

[richandfamous]

Scorpion...I just can't believe we haven't heard a word since the Dr Phil show. My gawd, can't they make that woman Lisa and the father talk???
They should have some clue by now!!! This case has me tied in knots

[Scorpion]

Scorpion...I just can't believe we haven't heard a word since the Dr Phil show. My gawd, can't they make that woman Lisa and the father talk???
They should have some clue by now!!! This case has me tied in knots
Richandfamous, I agree entirely. However, I guess it's possible they really do know nothing. Where, oh where is that truth serum when we need it?!

Going back to this link, which I hadn't read and have only just come across myself:-

http://www.samandlindsey.org/samandlindsey/Indexm.htm

I was horrified to see:-

"... among the many stories he told police was that he'd sold them to a pornography ring...“He's indicated that they're still alive and that basically, he's in control of this,” ."

This is a very sad, sick individual. It seems he'll go to any lengths to hurt their mother.

[mysteriew]

Prison urged for kidnap suspect
But term is sought on gun charge

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11528288.htm

[richandfamous]

http://kctv.static.worldnow.com/images/3340910_BG1.jpg
Sam and Lindsey Porter still missing.

http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=3340910

"KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- A man who has refused to reveal the whereabouts of his two children was ordered Friday to spend 10 years in prison on an unrelated gun charge, a stiff sentence prosecutors hope will convince him to talk.

Daniel Porter's sentence would run consecutively with a potentially lengthy term imposed as a result of state kidnapping charges, for which the 42-year-old Independence man is to stand trial in November."

"Porter was given a chance to speak Friday but said nothing, to the disappointment of his former wife and her family, who hoped he might give some clue about the whereabouts of the children."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There's only one reason he would take a 10 yr sentence for this and not say where they were.

if they were alive, he would say where they are...jmo

http://kctv.static.worldnow.com/images/3340910_BG2.jpg
the pig!

there's also a video of the kids mother leaving the court house at the news link.

[sharon25]

This is sooooooooo sad.

It would be nearly impossible to just do a foot search wouldn't it?

That poor woman. my heart goes out to her!!!

[sharon25]

Where did you read that? Do you have a link? That is so awful!

Here it is! Answered my own questions! How sad! I had not heard that these people were missing!

IMO

http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2004/06/20/local/iq_2948091.txt
And just for information about this other case that was posted here:

I looked this up and the only thing I could find were several articles citing a possible murder-suicide by the father.

you can google his name Kevin Amde.

[sharon25]

Has the mother hired a private investigator?

what about the police "tapping" phone lines of people who
were close with the father???
Like that *itch of a woman???

this is heart wrenching!
I wish I lived closer. I'd go knocking door to door.

[richandfamous]

Has the mother hired a private investigator?

what about the police "tapping" phone lines of people who
were close with the father???
Like that *itch of a woman???

this is heart wrenching!
I wish I lived closer. I'd go knocking door to door.


the *itch needs to be interrogated

by me!~

[dacqueri]

When i saw this case unfold on Dr. Phil's show, I think i expected that so-called friend to crack...she gave some insight and revealed things not known, so I truly hoped we would have closure. My heart ached for mom, and i pray that she holds on. No one can be that evil, although I have seen much of that on here...and i hope one day he will feel the pain and heartache she is now feeling.
I am curious as to why Dr. Phil has not provided an update to this case. Imagine what could happen if there was more exposure of this kind on television. I believe every show should sponsor at least one commercial devoted to a missing person...whether it is prime-time or day time. The pictures of these children should be seen daily, and maybe someone will see them or remember them...someday!

[sharon25]

When i saw this case unfold on Dr. Phil's show, I think i expected that so-called friend to crack...she gave some insight and revealed things not known, so I truly hoped we would have closure. My heart ached for mom, and i pray that she holds on. No one can be that evil, although I have seen much of that on here...and i hope one day he will feel the pain and heartache she is now feeling.
I am curious as to why Dr. Phil has not provided an update to this case. Imagine what could happen if there was more exposure of this kind on television. I believe every show should sponsor at least one commercial devoted to a missing person...whether it is prime-time or day time. The pictures of these children should be seen daily, and maybe someone will see them or remember them...someday!
I am e-mailing Dr. Phil and asking him to please do an update, or to re-air the show!!!!!

Even just showing the pictures and taking just 5 minutes out of his show would help!!!!!!

http://www.drphil.com/email/email_ask_phil.jhtml

[sharon25]

the *itch needs to be interrogated

by me!~

I think that she either has Direct knowledge of where the children are, or has helped hide them. Alive or dead :(
I think it's odd that she decided to inform the detectives Later on that their "father" said they kids were fine.

Maybe she's just saying that so that they don't try to convict him and give them time to hide the bodies even better?? God this is so horrible.

I hope and pray that they are alive.. but do you really think that someone would really keep them hidden for so long???

And would it be just one person keeping them??? What would they have had to tell the children to keep them from trying to call the police or run away???
Do they really think that they can keep them forever??

It really doesn't seem likely, at this point, that the children are alive.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that I am wrong.

But I think that the night the mother got those weird, and scary text messages, was the night that he killed them. And I think he was planning on killing himself as well but chickened out at the last minute.

He is obviously a coward.

Throw him in a cell with a few Bubbas, maybe then he'll decide he wants to talk.

[Bobbisangel]

It sounds like the father really wanted to get back at the mother. It's doubtful that he has the kids hidden out somewhere for this length of time.
I wish LE would turn their backs for just a few minutes and put some great big guy in the cell with this father. Then the big guy could beat this father senseless or beat him until he tells where those kids are.

That father probably didn't bat an eye over the 10 years....the way the system works he'll be out of prison in 2-3 years. If he hates the mother so much it would probably be worth it to him. Makes a person wonder how a piece of slime like him could even father children.

[sharon25]

It sounds like the father really wanted to get back at the mother. It's doubtful that he has the kids hidden out somewhere for this length of time.
I wish LE would turn their backs for just a few minutes and put some great big guy in the cell with this father. Then the big guy could beat this father senseless or beat him until he tells where those kids are.

That father probably didn't bat an eye over the 10 years....the way the system works he'll be out of prison in 2-3 years. If he hates the mother so much it would probably be worth it to him. Makes a person wonder how a piece of slime like him could even father children.
Or how their marriage lasted for 15 years.. I believe it was that long.
and why the hell does he hate HER so much? From what I've read
HE was the one having the Affair!!!!

I don't think he's going to get out so quickly.
And if he does he'd better go run and hide as well..

[lisag]

But I think that the night the mother got those weird, and scary text messages, was the night that he killed them. And I think he was planning on killing himself as well but chickened out at the last minute.



I agree. I think he wanted to hurt the mother very bad - and he knew what it would take to hurt her in the worst way possible. I think he was willing to do anything to hurt her and Ibeleive he did it.
This is so heartbraeking... I can not even begin to imagine the pain and frustration that this poor woman is going through. I honestly do not know how she makes it through every single day. Bless her.

[richandfamous]

I am e-mailing Dr. Phil and asking him to please do an update, or to re-air the show!!!!!

Even just showing the pictures and taking just 5 minutes out of his show would help!!!!!!

http://www.drphil.com/email/email_ask_phil.jhtml

Sharon, please let us know if you hear anything back from the Dr Phil show!
I hope he doesn't drop the ball on this...Dr Phil at least put some pressure on the woman friend of the father and also on the cops in this case.

[CaliKid]

This man sounds very much like my ex. He is a narcissistic control freak with a victim complex who looks at the world and Tina as if they have wronged him. So he gets back in a way that hurts the most- stealing the children.

If I were LE, I would arrest and put that Lisa woman on trial for obstruction or something similar, dangling a long prison sentence in front of her in hopes of making her tell the truth. Sadly I don't think the dad is going to say anything, especially if he's killed the kids.

[KrazyKollector]

I cannot stand how the victims have so few rights but the offender has so, so many.
I think a few knitting needles, wire cutters and a good hammer should be able to be used in these cases to help "coax" information out of the creeps.:behindbar

I doubt if we'd even need to pay the interrogator. I feel more than a few volunteers would step forward, including me.

[GinaAngel435]

Why don't they just toture the father into telling them where the children are? Pull out his toe nails? Something? He deserves much worse then that, but I can't go into that here!

This case is so sad... I just keep thinking what I would do in Tina's situation and I can't even fathom what her life must be like now. What she must be thinking, wondering, hoping, praying. And her husband is right there, in the flesh, and he just won't say a darn thing.

I read this on another post ... and I liked it.

"There's a special kind of hell for parents like this". A very, very special place.

My heart & prayers go out to Tina & her family!!

[mysteriew]

A man who is set to stand trial in November after allegedly kidnapping his children told a newspaper that the children are with a "well-off family."

Daniel Porter has refused to tell police and his ex-wife the whereabouts of the two children since they disappeared in June 2004 when he picked them up for a weekend visit.

"The children are fine," Daniel Porter told The Kansas City Star in a telephone call from his jail cell.

Porter refused to say where the children are staying.

http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3458166

[sharon25]

Sharon, please let us know if you hear anything back from the Dr Phil show!
I hope he doesn't drop the ball on this...Dr Phil at least put some pressure on the woman friend of the father and also on the cops in this case.I e-mailed them and haven't heard anything since :(
Just got an automated reply about how they get so many e-mails a day but thanks for taking the time to write.

anyone else have any suggestions??

[sharon25]

A man who is set to stand trial in November after allegedly kidnapping his children told a newspaper that the children are with a "well-off family."

Daniel Porter has refused to tell police and his ex-wife the whereabouts of the two children since they disappeared in June 2004 when he picked them up for a weekend visit.

"The children are fine," Daniel Porter told The Kansas City Star in a telephone call from his jail cell.

Porter refused to say where the children are staying.

http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3458166
Why wouldn't they call home???
Do you think he could've convinced them that their mother died or something???

Anyone believe him? I pray that he is right.
It just seems impossible though

[cvickers]

Is there any truth to 'truth serum'? :confused:

If so, for the life of me, I don't understand why there hasn't been more use of it in situations like this!! :banghead: Truth serum doesn't work at all - the legend was invented by movie writers who thought it was a good gimmick. Sodium pentothal does nothing but put you to sleep (it's a common anaesthetic used in surgical procedures).

BTW, torture doesn't work either. There are reasons that goes far beyond 'rights' why torture isn't used these days; one is, it's horribly damaging to those who administer it (ie the police in this case). Being a torturer even once or twice is a virtual ironclad guarantee of future severe mental illness.

Also, torture is (like pentothal) much, much more effective in movies than it has ever been in real life. In real life, those tortured rarely if ever say anything other than what they've said before. This has been known for centuries; even today, torture is mainly used as a form of punishment and vengeance, generally by those who don't much respect life.

In other words, it's a sadist's tool to get back at people, not a legitimate form of investigation.

[MistyGirl]

Bumping for these two sweet little children.

I think about them and their mother daily......as a mother myself I can't even begin to imagine what this woman is going through...............everyday must be a constant struggle to just get through and be strong and keep the hope alive that your children are a live and safe somewhere....................that SOB that calls himself their "father" is sick sad terribl human being.......how he coudl do this to his own children and torture their mother wiht the not know where her babies are and if they are alive and safe is just horrible.

I pray every day that these two sweet children will be returned safely to their mother.

[mysteriew]

A probation revocation hearing for Daniel Porter today was rescheduled for Nov. 23 — just over two weeks after his scheduled trial for kidnapping his children.

Jackson County prosecutors allege Porter, of Independence, violated a June 2004 protection order when he visited his former wife. He later pleaded guilty and was placed on probation. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12180309.htm

[mysteriew]

Within hours of his arrest last year, Dan Porter told authorities on several occasions that he killed his children.

Sam and Lindsey Porter have not been seen since their father picked them up June 5, 2004, in Independence for a weekend visit, and many family and friends have always feared the worst— despite Porter’s conflicting accounts of what he did with the children.

Yet today Porter, 42, is sitting in jail and awaiting trial only on kidnapping charges. Prosecutors say that is because it takes more than a confession to make a murder charge stick.

After he was arrested, Porter told the Grundy County sheriff, a deputy and Independence police that he killed the children. One time Porter said he strangled them. Another time he said he cut them up. Or that he threw them in a river. Porter also has said the children are alive, but he refuses to disclose their location.

Independence police have Porter’s incriminating statements on video and audio tapes that were made during nearly 40 hours of interrogations.

Nonetheless, Sanders says he does not consider the statements Porter has made to be an actual confession.

But interviews with Porter’s friends, family members and co-workers reveal a pattern of suspicious behavior exhibited by him in the days before the children disappeared:

An area prosecutor who won convictions in two high-profile murder cases with missing bodies said Porter’s statements, and other circumstantial evidence uncovered by The Kansas City Star, could be significant.

“That’s certainly powerful stuff,” Johnson County District Attorney Paul Morrison said. “I don’t know the facts of the case, but certainly, you’ve got motive, you’ve got disappearance for a long period of time, and you’ve got statements.”

But Morrison acknowledged that murder cases without bodies are difficult.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12325951.htm

[mysteriew]

As the search for Sam and Lindsey Porter moves into its second year, some questions remain and new ones have been uncovered by The Kansas City Star that raise further concerns about the investigation.

Why hasn’t the FBI been involved?

Why wasn’t Porter’s pickup truck searched more thoroughly after his arrest?

Why didn’t police keep a possible clue?

Why didn’t police search more of the areas where Dan Porter used to hunt?

Why didn’t police search a farm in northern Missouri?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12321746.htm

[richandfamous]

It sounds like county attorneys across the nation have been told there isn't enough money to prosecute any but the most obvious cases. There are so many cases that seem obvious to all of us but yet nothing is done. jmo

Also, it makes me wonder just how and what made these woman attracted and committed to such evil men. I'm not judging them...just wondering how these men could pretend to be a caring reasonable person and turn out to be so opposite. also jmo

[mysteriew]

I am wondering about their LE. I looks like kansas.com has uncovered a lot of their mistakes. And why wasn't the FBI brought in way earlier? That info about the sandal is a shocker. Why didn't the LE get more of that info?

[richandfamous]

I am wondering about their LE. I looks like kansas.com has uncovered a lot of their mistakes. And why wasn't the FBI brought in way earlier? That info about the sandal is a shocker. Why didn't the LE get more of that info?
I'm not subscribed to Kansas.com so I don't know about the sandal! What's up with that? thx

[mysteriew]

I'm not subscribed to Kansas.com so I don't know about the sandal! What's up with that? thx

kansas.com has been doing their own investigation in this case and they have uncovered some evidence and are asking some really really interesting questions.
The mother found the sandal in the trunk of her car, it had some imbedded gravel in the shoe, there was also gravel in the bottom of the trunk. It was her son's shoe. She took that and some drugs she found in the truck to the LE. They kept the drugs and gave the sandal back to her.
To read the articles go to bugmenot.com and enter the kansas.com url. They will give you a user name and password for use on the kansas.com site.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...al/12321746.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...al/12325951.htm

[richandfamous]

Thanks, I will.

bbl

[richandfamous]

Is this case in Kansas City MO or KS??? Can't seem to find the answer to that. Maybe "someone" should put some pressure on the Chief of Police!

[mysteriew]

Is this case in Kansas City MO or KS??? Can't seem to find the answer to that. Maybe "someone" should put some pressure on the Chief of Police!

I think that was the purpose of the articles. The paper is pushing the police- we can find out this info, why haven't you? Why aren't you getting the FBI involved? Why isn't more of an investigation being done? Now there will be public pressure on LE to answer the questions.

[richandfamous]

They are re running the Dr Phil show about the woman friend of the father tonight. It makes me furious all over again! That woman knows something and she should be in jail. omg...she is horrible!

[KT Can]

OMG, I haven't really been following this case but I caught the Dr. Phil rerun today and I have to say that the friend of the father, Lisa, is pathetic. She absolutely knows more than she is saying, as evidenced by her own words on the show. The childrens mother showed more class and restraint than I ever would have. To quote Jennifer Aniston, this lady "is missing a sensitivity chip"!!! For petes sake, this woman is a mother herself and loyalty in a friendship can only go so far. She exudes a personality disorder. I am willing to bet that Lisa is a sicko who has always been in love with Mr. Porter, heck she even named her daughter after him, and is so jealous of the wife and kids that she is enjoying this situation. Mr. Porter is a sicko as well, which makes them perfect for eachother. No wonder there is so much loyalty there.

I am heartbroken for the mother and cannot even begin to imagine the pain and frustration that she is going through. I honestly do not know how she makes it through every single day. My thoughts and prayers are with her.

[Bobbisangel]

Nothing new on this case? I want to kill that father. That poor mom knowing the father knows where those kids are or what happened to them and he won't say. How can she stand it.

If the cops can't beat the truth out of this pig then put him in a cell with someone who will. If other prisoners find out that this guy may have murdered his children or has hidden them from the mom they will go after him.

This creep should have no rights. He has taken away the rights of his ex and his children. Maybe they should just cut his tongue out if he doesn't want to use it to say where those kids are. I feel so frustrated so I can't even imagine how that mom is feeling.

Does this creep think that he can't be tried for murder x 2? Maybe they should charge him and tell him they are going to ask for the death penalty. After all this time they have to assume that he murdered his children...he threw their clothing away, etc, etc, so they have enough circumstancial evidence. Maybe the creep isn't ready to go so far as to be put to death if the kids are still alive. This guy is playing a game with his ex and the cops...call his bluff for pity sake.

The darn system is so screwed up. If I was that ex and I could get a gun into the jail or prison I would blow that smug azzholes brains all over the room. Then I would pled insanity because this situation would make anyone crazy.
Sounds like LE is really on the ball :mad: :furious:

[MistyGirl]

Nothing new on this case? I want to kill that father. That poor mom knowing the father knows where those kids are or what happened to them and he won't say. How can she stand it.

If the cops can't beat the truth out of this pig then put him in a cell with someone who will. If other prisoners find out that this guy may have murdered his children or has hidden them from the mom they will go after him.

This creep should have no rights. He has taken away the rights of his ex and his children. Maybe they should just cut his tongue out if he doesn't want to use it to say where those kids are. I feel so frustrated so I can't even imagine how that mom is feeling.

Does this creep think that he can't be tried for murder x 2? Maybe they should charge him and tell him they are going to ask for the death penalty. After all this time they have to assume that he murdered his children...he threw their clothing away, etc, etc, so they have enough circumstancial evidence. Maybe the creep isn't ready to go so far as to be put to death if the kids are still alive. This guy is playing a game with his ex and the cops...call his bluff for pity sake.

The darn system is so screwed up. If I was that ex and I could get a gun into the jail or prison I would blow that smug azzholes brains all over the room. Then I would pled insanity because this situation would make anyone crazy.
Sounds like LE is really on the ball :mad: :furious:
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I could nto have said it better myself!!

[mic730]

I felt the same way about the fathers friend. What is wrong with that woman?


OMG, I haven't really been following this case but I caught the Dr. Phil rerun today and I have to say that the friend of the father, Lisa, is pathetic. She absolutely knows more than she is saying, as evidenced by her own words on the show. The childrens mother showed more class and restraint than I ever would have. To quote Jennifer Aniston, this lady "is missing a sensitivity chip"!!! For petes sake, this woman is a mother herself and loyalty in a friendship can only go so far. She exudes a personality disorder. I am willing to bet that Lisa is a sicko who has always been in love with Mr. Porter, heck she even named her daughter after him, and is so jealous of the wife and kids that she is enjoying this situation. Mr. Porter is a sicko as well, which makes them perfect for eachother. No wonder there is so much loyalty there.

I am heartbroken for the mother and cannot even begin to imagine the pain and frustration that she is going through. I honestly do not know how she makes it through every single day. My thoughts and prayers are with her.

[jannuncutt]

Has anyone heard any updates about Sam and Lindsey?

[kittykat1]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/13794199.htm
‘I can’t wait to get to prison’
Father of missing children defiant
By JUDY L. THOMAS

The Kansas City Star


"Let ’em think that they’re dead,” said Daniel Porter, in a recent telephone call from jail. “That way they don’t have to worry so much about finding them. … I’d rather die than give them the satisfaction.”
On the eve of Porter’s kidnapping trial, The Kansas City Star obtained more than eight hours of recordings of his jailhouse conversations through a Missouri Sunshine Law records request. The calls were made to a friend and to some of Porter’s relatives from early 2005 through mid-January.

In the calls from the Jackson County Detention Center, Porter said the more he’s pressured to talk, the deeper he’ll dig in his heels.

“I can play the game, too,” he said. “I’ll be happy in jail.”

In the recordings, Porter talked very little about his children, spending most of the time ridiculing authorities and bad-mouthing his ex-wife, Tina Porter, the children’s mother. He revealed that he enjoyed being a jailhouse celebrity and that he had planned for at least a month to take the children.

And, he said, he expects to be found guilty.


There is audio here from Dan Porter. He sounds so cocky and so immature! How is it possible that a person could hate their spouse more than they love their children?

He thinks he is going to enjoy prison. Maybe he could be put in a cell where he would be intimidated into talking? This may sound sick, but I wonder if he'd rather be raped by a male inmate or disclose the whereabouts of his children. He did say he'd be happy in jail. Do you think you would be after being raped?
This guy is so proud of himself. He makes me sick.

[hoppyfrog]

Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/09/kids.hidden.ap/index.html

A man who has refused to reveal the whereabouts of his children for nearly two years was found guilty Thursday of kidnapping the youngsters to terrorize his ex-wife.
The jury took about four hours to convict Daniel Porter, 42.

Porter has given various accounts of what happened to his children -- that he killed them, that he sold them, that they are now a part of a pornography ring....

Prosecutors had hoped the sentence would persuade him to reveal his children's whereabouts.

[bykerladi]

Here's to hoing that the internal "prison justice system" convinces this AH to reveal where his kids are. :furious:

[Traybone74]

I live here in Indep. Mo and there is still nothing on the kids location. This story is huge here in Indep and you can find billboards and posters everywhere. I knew people who knew the family and the kids and it scares the h*ll out of me. I hope they are found alive but hope around here of that is scarce. I agree with everyone about his "friend" and I know if charges could be made that would stick it would be done!!! She is totally a lying b*tch!!! :liar:

I think he won't say because he knows the sentence is shorter for him as long as it keeps going how it is.:behindbar

[Traybone74]

I haven't been able to locate Sugar Creek, although I have got a Honey Creek. Anybody point me in the right direction?

Sorry if this was already answered - I was looking through another thread and something reminded me that I read this and planned to answer you and I forgot, till now.
Sugar Creek is partially in and surrounded by Independence. The park that was mentioned is in Sugar Creek. It is La Bonita and it runs next to the Missouri river off MO 291.

[MagicRose99]

There is a "News Flash" on the kids website (dated 2/8/06) that they are looking for a woman they believe may have the children:

http://www.samandlindsey.org/index.php?option=com_weblinks&Itemid=23

[bykerladi]

I think LEs best bet is to arrest that female friend of his and charge her as an accessory. HE may be looking forward to prison, but I doubt SHE would be. Maybe the thought of becoming Bertha's new girlfriend would be enough to make her crack.

[PonderingThings]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_on_re_us/children_kidnapped

The father has been sentenced to 38 years for kidnapping.

[Traybone74]

Not long enough, IMO

[little evil]

My husband has known Dan for many years. I've known him quite a few. Althought, I can't say either of us agree with what he's done. Every report that we've seen has been one sided. Tina was just as wrong as he was. It's just that She has become a martyer which She sure isn't. The story needs to be two sided because there's alot there that the public doesn't know. It might enlighten them

[mindi77]

Like What? Because as I see it her kids are missing and no one knows if they are even alive. I don't think she is a martyr but do feel sorry for her to not know the fate of her children. Enlighten us all please.....

not being crabby or anything but just curious...

[MagicRose99]

You're absolutely right! IMO, unless she is proven to be, or has been proven to be, an unfit mother, no one has the right to steal her children from her.



Like What? Because as I see it her kids are missing and no one knows if they are even alive. I don't think she is a martyr but do feel sorry for her to not know the fate of her children. Enlighten us all please.....

not being crabby or anything but just curious...

[emma l]

My husband has known Dan for many years. I've known him quite a few. Althought, I can't say either of us agree with what he's done. Every report that we've seen has been one sided. Tina was just as wrong as he was. It's just that She has become a martyer which She sure isn't. The story needs to be two sided because there's alot there that the public doesn't know. It might enlighten them

Like what? Where the children are?

[mom3dd]

This man Dan has refused to say where his children are he has said he killed them, sold them, gave them away. Am I missing something here. Another side to the story? Bring the children home. If your husband is close to Dan maybe he needs to visit him and find out where the children are.

[mocity]

He is a sick guy. I say torture him until he tells. Sickos in this world.........

[little evil]

Of course, We feel sorry for her. No one should have their children take. It's just She isn't real honest about things. Dan didn't beat her and She was just as much involed with drugs as he was. She doesn't bother to tell anyone that she lied to the police. Or the games, She played with the restraing order. Or the men in & out of the house. It just seems that things are not being presented fairly. No one believes that Dan should be condoned for what he did. Just that all sides are fairly presented

[Bobbisangel]

Of course, We feel sorry for her. No one should have their children take. It's just She isn't real honest about things. Dan didn't beat her and She was just as much involed with drugs as he was. She doesn't bother to tell anyone that she lied to the police. Or the games, She played with the restraing order. Or the men in & out of the house. It just seems that things are not being presented fairly. No one believes that Dan should be condoned for what he did. Just that all sides are fairly presented




It seems to me that the only thing that is really important now is finding the children. If the mother had custody of them...and she must have had...and the dad took them and refuses to return them or tell anyone where they are then he is the one that is in the wrong. If he didn't think that she was a good mother and he had proof of that he should have taken that to court. Instead we have two missing children who are either dead by their father's hand or living with who knows who. In my opinion this father isn't thinking of what is in the best interest of his children. It can't be in their best interest if he has dumped them on whoever just so the mother can't find them. Would he have gone so far as to murder them? The phone calls sound like they are still alive somewhere but he isn't going to tell because he has such a chip on his shoulder towards LE and the mother. He sounds so juvenile.

38 years is a long time to sit in prison. This man has to be somewhat mentally imbalanced if he would rather sit in prison then to tell where his kids are. That is just bizarre to me. At this stage of the game it doesn't matter who was doing what or if the mother has been portrayed as something that she isn't. The children are missing and dad took them so the spotlight is going to stay on him. If he was any kind of a man at all he would think of his children and what HE has put them through...and he would tell someone where they are.

[mindi77]

It seems to me that the only thing that is really important now is finding the children. If the mother had custody of them...and she must have had...and the dad took them and refuses to return them or tell anyone where they are then he is the one that is in the wrong. If he didn't think that she was a good mother and he had proof of that he should have taken that to court. Instead we have two missing children who are either dead by their father's hand or living with who knows who. In my opinion this father isn't thinking of what is in the best interest of his children. It can't be in their best interest if he has dumped them on whoever just so the mother can't find them. Would he have gone so far as to murder them? The phone calls sound like they are still alive somewhere but he isn't going to tell because he has such a chip on his shoulder towards LE and the mother. He sounds so juvenile.

38 years is a long time to sit in prison. This man has to be somewhat mentally imbalanced if he would rather sit in prison then to tell where his kids are. That is just bizarre to me. At this stage of the game it doesn't matter who was doing what or if the mother has been portrayed as something that she isn't. The children are missing and dad took them so the spotlight is going to stay on him. If he was any kind of a man at all he would think of his children and what HE has put them through...and he would tell someone where they are.




I totally agree....I don't care at this point if she is horrible or lied or did this or that....there are 2 kids missing. Unless you know for a fact they are alive how could you stand by this man. He could have done it the right way.

[MagicRose99]

Regardless of what most people think, the police aren't really stupid. Don't you think they've interviewed people about BOTH parents? If what you claim is true, then the police are aware of her behavior... If, after finding these children she is proven to be unfit, they won't give them back to her.

To me, what this man did was atrocious. That woman did not deserve to have her children stolen from her, then told that they are dead, beaten, raped, stabbed, sold, or any of the other vile things he has said since his arrest.

There is NO sympathy from me for this monster... and if he had been a friend of mine or my husband, then he'd be a dead friend now...

Of course, We feel sorry for her. No one should have their children take. It's just She isn't real honest about things. Dan didn't beat her and She was just as much involed with drugs as he was. She doesn't bother to tell anyone that she lied to the police. Or the games, She played with the restraing order. Or the men in & out of the house. It just seems that things are not being presented fairly. No one believes that Dan should be condoned for what he did. Just that all sides are fairly presented

[TrulyBlessed]

I agree that the most important thing is for the children to be found and returned home. Little Evil, you wrote that the story given in the press is one sided, but isn't your view of things one sided as well? You wrote that you and your husband are friends of Dan. I think that it's safe to say that you have only his side of things. Only 2 people know what really went on in their marriage and that's them. If she were so unfit, then he should have taken his proof and went to court. To take the children and hide them is wrong. He didn't leave it at that. He has said that he has killed them, sold them, etc. What kind of loving father would do that? He is not just being petty, he is being vindictive. It just proves that his motive is to hurt their Mom. The children are suffering as well. Who knows what Dan has told his children. Now he's gone and they are with who knows who. If he really and truly cared about his children, he would tell the truth.

[little evil]

1.) The police didn't know everything or they wouldn't have shown up my door. I don't believe the kids are dead. Dan planned this for a long time before he did it. The kids came to him & said they were being hurt. He tried to do it the right way. When that didn't work, he took the kids. Do I think it was right, no. But as a parent, I can understand. Would any of us stand by & watch are children hurt? Yes, unfortunately, we know both sides of the story because we were stuck in it. Tina quite calling when I told the police about the drugs. Do I think Dan needs to say where the kids are? Yes. Do I understand why he won't yes.

[natasha-cupcake]

1.) The police didn't know everything or they wouldn't have shown up my door. I don't believe the kids are dead. Dan planned this for a long time before he did it. The kids came to him & said they were being hurt. He tried to do it the right way. When that didn't work, he took the kids. Do I think it was right, no. But as a parent, I can understand. Would any of us stand by & watch are children hurt? Yes, unfortunately, we know both sides of the story because we were stuck in it. Tina quite calling when I told the police about the drugs. Do I think Dan needs to say where the kids are? Yes. Do I understand why he won't yes.
Understand?! Are you kidding? I don't give a damn what the mother's history is, this man KIDNAPPED those children and probably MURDERED them. At best, he is inflicting horrendous psychological trauma on the children by separating them from, not only their mother, but from everything they know and love. At worst, he is a cold blooded murderer of innocents. There is nothing else to understand.

I find it chilling that you would attempt to justify the crimes he's committed.

[dottierainbow]

I totally agree. I wonder why your username is little evil.



Understand?! Are you kidding? I don't give a damn what the mother's history is, this man KIDNAPPED those children and probably MURDERED them. At best, he is inflicting horrendous psychological trauma on the children by separating them from, not only their mother, but from everything they know and love. At worst, he is a cold blooded murderer of innocents. There is nothing else to understand.

I find it chilling that you would attempt to justify the crimes he's committed.

[wondering22]

Independence authorities are still looking for eight-year-old Lindsay and seven-year-old Samuel Porter.
Searchers found clothing over the weekend packed by the children's mother. The clothing was found in Trenton, near the area deputies arrested their father Daniel Porter, Thursday.
He was supposed to take the kids back to his estranged wife, last Sunday but never did.
Porter told police his kids were in Oklahoma City, but would not say exactly where. http://www.kshb.com/kshb/home/article/0,1925,KSHB_9410_2955958,00.html


Kids clothing is located, but no kids.

And apparently LEOs believe that the children are still alive, right?

I'm wondering if LEOs checked all private schools where uniforms are required, and any secretive religious cults where specific forms of clothing are required to be worn by the members.

This is an absolutely appalling tragedy, and that so-called father should be absolutely ashamed of himself. How disgusting.

I hope the innocent youngsters will be found and that they recuperate from this horrible experience... simply yanked away from their own mother and no contact with their dad.

The man must be insane.

[little evil]

I find it chilling that you would assume their dead. If a mother hid her children because they were being harmed everyone would say how brave she is, what a good mother. But a father does the same & he's a monster. Let's say Dan's right about what was going on. He brings them back & then what? He's got to do his time. The kids can't go with his family. So, They go into the system? That's better? It's an awful, awful, thing anyway you look at it.

[little evil]

My user name is little evil because my grandson likes to call me that if you must know. I have never wished harm on a child. Those kids aren't going to be found by a bunch of whinning. It's going to take cool heads & insight into how he thinks. You believe that prayer is the answer, then let God be the judge. I'm simplely say the is more to this than at first glance. Not once have I said Dan was right. But if understanding how he thinks gets the kids back. Then it's all to the good.

[mindi77]

I find it chilling that you would assume their dead. If a mother hid her children because they were being harmed everyone would say how brave she is, what a good mother. But a father does the same & he's a monster. Let's say Dan's right about what was going on. He brings them back & then what? He's got to do his time. The kids can't go with his family. So, They go into the system? That's better? It's an awful, awful, thing anyway you look at it.



I don't see how you find it chilling that we would all assume they are dead, have you read some of the stories on this site? I would not say that the mother was brave if the same questions were out there. If this where the other way around and she had taken them and we didn't know if they were alive I would feel the exact same way. But I imagine you would be more concerned then. They said if he said where they children were he would get out, and I guess if he had to serve the time then that is his own fault. Like somone else said earlier that you have no clue to what really went on in their house when they were married and when they separated. And why didn't Dr.Phil's show bring up all this stuff....ie her messing with drugs.....

the women he had on the other day that had her kids taken by her husband was asked questions about her past, car accidents, mental illness. That could have been brought up then espically by his friend that was on there but I don't recall hearing that. Either way there are 2 kids missing...so if he did this for the sake of the children....and they are alive. how is he going to feel if when they become adults they return to there mother and hate him for what he did. While he has spent there childhood in prison. Also what if they are found safe and alive with no help from him then she gets them back and he still has to serve his time and she is as bad as you say and now he wouldn't be there to protect them. So I think if he truly did it for the right reasons then he should bargin for no time if he tells where they are and does everything the legal way..


I understand he is your friend but look at it as if it were your kids and your husband had done that because he felt you were horrible.

[natasha-cupcake]

I find it chilling that you would assume their dead. If a mother hid her children because they were being harmed everyone would say how brave she is, what a good mother. But a father does the same & he's a monster. Let's say Dan's right about what was going on. He brings them back & then what? He's got to do his time. The kids can't go with his family. So, They go into the system? That's better? It's an awful, awful, thing anyway you look at it.Give me a break. DCF investigations are very easy to initiate. If these children were being harmed, Mr. Porter had plenty of legal avenues to pursue. This is clearly a smear campaign on the children's mother and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetrating it.

[little evil]

no, he hasn't been my friend. Tina & Dan were my husband's friends for over 15 years. I've known them for 7 years. The Dr. Phil Show was a joke. And I like Dr. Phil. The lady on the show could barely articulate anything. Dan and Tina move in a drug circle. Do you really believe that those kind of people are going to cought up any real info. My husband did because I told him the truth better be told or I would leave him. I would almost bet I was the only sober person around. If you've ever seen what meth can do, it's truly appalling. Yes, I know the reality of missing children. But if we don't have hope, than what's left? I f people spent more time trying to help the police, than wishing ill on the father, maybe they would home. God's got Dan covered. He'll take care of that in good time As far DSF, Miss thing couldn't have had an investigestion done on herself or she'd know that they are a bigger joke than Dr. Phil. And She should be ashamed running her mouth about what she doesn't know. Sounds like she's got issues with men. I'm not smearing anyone, I'm telling the truth. Who is she to try to say what I've seen & heared in my life. From her first post, she was overemtional. That's not going to get those kids home and running her mouth to me isn't going to change that

[natasha-cupcake]

no, he hasn't been my friend. Tina & Dan were my husband's friends for over 15 years. I've known them for 7 years. The Dr. Phil Show was a joke. And I like Dr. Phil. The lady on the show could barely articulate anything. Dan and Tina move in a drug circle. Do you really believe that those kind of people are going to cought up any real info. My husband did because I told him the truth better be told or I would leave him. I would almost bet I was the only sober person around. If you've ever seen what meth can do, it's truly appalling. Yes, I know the reality of missing children. But if we don't have hope, than what's left? I f people spent more time trying to help the police, than wishing ill on the father, maybe they would home. God's got Dan covered. He'll take care of that in good time As far DSF, Miss thing couldn't have had an investigestion done on herself or she'd know that they are a bigger joke than Dr. Phil. And She should be ashamed running her mouth about what she doesn't know. Sounds like she's got issues with men. I'm not smearing anyone, I'm telling the truth. Who is she to try to say what I've seen & heared in my life. From her first post, she was overemtional. That's not going to get those kids home and running her mouth to me isn't going to change that
My issues are with kidnappers and murderers, dear--not men in general.

[wondering22]

My issues are with kidnappers and murderers, dear--not men in general.

I'd not heard anything about meth use before; is this a rumor, or something already well known to the LEOs?

[natasha-cupcake]

I'd not heard anything about meth use before; is this a rumor, or something already well known to the LEOs?I know nothing of this, Wondering22 (love that nickname, by the way!). Little Evil posted those allegations, not me.

[MagicRose99]

IMO, all this "new info" is to stir up trouble. Many accusations and suppositions this person has tossed out there with no proof to back up the claims. Give me proof of what you're saying... otherwise, why should I believe you?

The kids need to be brought home, one way or another... no excuse passes muster here...

[TrulyBlessed]

Maybe I'm wrong , but if there was first hand knowledge of drug use by the parents, why didn't someone report it? CPS can make someone's life hell. If they were really drug abusers, and so called "friends" were aware of the children being harmed, shouldn't they have stepped up? Why would someone sit back while one drug abusing parent took the kids from another drug abusing parent and "understand" what that parent did? Does the friendship make him the lesser of 2 evils? I am a mother of 2 children and I work in child care. I am required by law to report any signs of abuse and I have no problem doing so. If I were neglectful in any way with my children, I have 5 people who are close to me, including my Mom, who would turn me in without blinking an eye. I hate to hear people say negative things about a parent's treatment of a child, yet have not made an effort to prevent it. If both parents are neglectful, then neither one should have the children. If the Mom was at fault, he should have gone to court to prove it.Now Dan is being a martyr by sitting in jail rather then telling anyone where his children are? Please! If he really was concerned with the welfare of his children and not so busy trying to stick it to their Mom, he would have done things the right way...or did the meth fry his brain?

And yes, if it were a woman who ran I would be saying the same thing. IF there is physical or sexual abuse involved, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you, then by all means run. The most important thing is the safety and welfare of the children. To take the children as one upmanship is wrong. Now the kids are who knows where, without their Mom or Dad, and who knows what they are going through or how they feel?

[MagicRose99]

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Maybe I'm wrong , but if there was first hand knowledge of drug use by the parents, why didn't someone report it? CPS can make someone's life hell. If they were really drug abusers, and so called "friends" were aware of the children being harmed, shouldn't they have stepped up? Why would someone sit back while one drug abusing parent took the kids from another drug abusing parent and "understand" what that parent did? Does the friendship make him the lesser of 2 evils? I am a mother of 2 children and I work in child care. I am required by law to report any signs of abuse and I have no problem doing so. If I were neglectful in any way with my children, I have 5 people who are close to me, including my Mom, who would turn me in without blinking an eye. I hate to hear people say negative things about a parent's treatment of a child, yet have not made an effort to prevent it. If both parents are neglectful, then neither one should have the children. If the Mom was at fault, he should have gone to court to prove it.Now Dan is being a martyr by sitting in jail rather then telling anyone where his children are? Please! If he really was concerned with the welfare of his children and not so busy trying to stick it to their Mom, he would have done things the right way...or did the meth fry his brain?

And yes, if it were a woman who ran I would be saying the same thing. IF there is physical or sexual abuse involved, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you, then by all means run. The most important thing is the safety and welfare of the children. To take the children as one upmanship is wrong. Now the kids are who knows where, without their Mom or Dad, and who knows what they are going through or how they feel?

[blueclouds]

I have NO DOUBT these children are dead. Sadly and truely.

and WTF??? Dr. Phil doesn't do his homework? Someone has explaining to do.

[WindChime]

Maybe I'm wrong , but if there was first hand knowledge of drug use by the parents, why didn't someone report it? CPS can make someone's life hell. If they were really drug abusers, and so called "friends" were aware of the children being harmed, shouldn't they have stepped up? Why would someone sit back while one drug abusing parent took the kids from another drug abusing parent and "understand" what that parent did? Does the friendship make him the lesser of 2 evils? I am a mother of 2 children and I work in child care. I am required by law to report any signs of abuse and I have no problem doing so. If I were neglectful in any way with my children, I have 5 people who are close to me, including my Mom, who would turn me in without blinking an eye. I hate to hear people say negative things about a parent's treatment of a child, yet have not made an effort to prevent it. If both parents are neglectful, then neither one should have the children. If the Mom was at fault, he should have gone to court to prove it.Now Dan is being a martyr by sitting in jail rather then telling anyone where his children are? Please! If he really was concerned with the welfare of his children and not so busy trying to stick it to their Mom, he would have done things the right way...or did the meth fry his brain?

And yes, if it were a woman who ran I would be saying the same thing. IF there is physical or sexual abuse involved, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you, then by all means run. The most important thing is the safety and welfare of the children. To take the children as one upmanship is wrong. Now the kids are who knows where, without their Mom or Dad, and who knows what they are going through or how they feel?

You are 110% correct....

[little evil]

Believe me, it wasn't that I didn't want to. Part of it was being scared. I only knew about this due to my husband. At first, all I knew about was their weed patch, by the time I found out about the meth & everything else. I was scared of what my husband would do. I stuck out like a sore thumb because I don't drink & drug. My husband knew how I felt about everything. They would of know it was me. By the time, I could call the police safely, Dan had already taking the kids. I told them everything I knew. Plus, all about my husband. They had no idea about him. I even asked them about Tina turning in the meth. The dective looked at me, like I was crazy. He told me she hadn't turned it in. I told him what I knew. Amazingly, a week or so, later she turned it in. Did I know all this would happen, of course,not. If I had would I have told sooner. But, it never occured to me that it would come to this. The only point I've tried to make is that both sides of the story should be told. Because if nothing else it shows how drugs destroyed everyone's life. Their family never used to be like this. They used to be happy, now all there is are ruins. If you look at some of the interviews, she says she turned it in to the police. Now, wheter or not the kids were being abused, Your guess is as good as mine. I don't think Tina was abusing them. I think Dan thought it was some one close to the family. Because he truly believed that with all his heart. Plus, meth tends to make people more parniod. But I can't see running around saying the kids are murdered. Not because of Dan but because of Tina. Hope is all she has to help her get up & try to get thought each day. Without that how can she think let alone face the future. As far as, Dr. Phil, they couldn't have done their home work that well. They didn't talk to Dan's three best friends, my husband and two other men that have know him for 15 years. There is no way to prove every thing. There's information the police are just not going to put out there. As far as child protection, it's one of the biggest jokes I know. I turn my husband' cuison in for meth use & hitting the kids. It was so hard that the child landed on the other side of my deck. This woman had thick, nasty scabs on her lips from a glass pipe. They didn't do a damm thing. She's still got the kids & still tokening away. Maybe every goverment office were you live does the right thing but here in the real world, the meth capital of our country, very seldom does it work that way. The workers have too many cases & are just burnt out. They just don't really see the horrors of it anymore. Their underpaid, overworked, & have dealt with things that none of us will ever even comprehen. It took me three years to get my grandsons. They knew the father did meth. Hell, there wasn't a drug test he didn't fail. Still it took 3 years. So, don't tell me about CPS, when you don't know anything about it. It must be nice to still in your little castle & judge everything and everyone. But down here with the rest of the peasants, I can tell you it's not that easy.

[Bobbisangel]

no, he hasn't been my friend. Tina & Dan were my husband's friends for over 15 years. I've known them for 7 years. The Dr. Phil Show was a joke. And I like Dr. Phil. The lady on the show could barely articulate anything. Dan and Tina move in a drug circle. Do you really believe that those kind of people are going to cought up any real info. My husband did because I told him the truth better be told or I would leave him. I would almost bet I was the only sober person around. If you've ever seen what meth can do, it's truly appalling. Yes, I know the reality of missing children. But if we don't have hope, than what's left? I f people spent more time trying to help the police, than wishing ill on the father, maybe they would home. God's got Dan covered. He'll take care of that in good time As far DSF, Miss thing couldn't have had an investigestion done on herself or she'd know that they are a bigger joke than Dr. Phil. And She should be ashamed running her mouth about what she doesn't know. Sounds like she's got issues with men. I'm not smearing anyone, I'm telling the truth. Who is she to try to say what I've seen & heared in my life. From her first post, she was overemtional. That's not going to get those kids home and running her mouth to me isn't going to change that



So Tina and Dan ran with a druggie crowd. That makes neither of them shining examples as parents. Maybe the kids would be better off with a decent relative...done legally...or in foster care. So even though Dan was also a druggie he was running Tina down for using too. Dan takes the kids to get them away from the mother to protect them from her and her drugging...right? Yet, on the other hand Dan is a druggie too. Their friends are druggies. If he left those kids with his friends who are also druggies then they would be just as well off with their mother if she is a druggie.

This just isn't making sense to me. So Dan either murders his children because he doesn't want them to be with their drug using mother. Or Dan leaves them with whoever who probably uses too. You said Dan couldn't leave the kids with his relatives...are they druggies too or would they tell LE?
We know they aren't with Tina's relatives or she would know it. So it goes back to...the kids are either dead or dumped off with someone. How would Dan know that those people are going to want to raise his kids with no support or help from him. He is going to be in prison for many many years...by his choice. He is not thinking about the kids. Right now he has no idea what their lives are like...he isn't there.

If you knew how bad the children's home life was why didn't you make a call to Child Protective Services? Turn both parents in if they were using and neglecting their children. They have to investigate when they get calls.

[natasha-cupcake]

Believe me, it wasn't that I didn't want to. Part of it was being scared. I only knew about this due to my husband. At first, all I knew about was their weed patch, by the time I found out about the meth & everything else. I was scared of what my husband would do. I stuck out like a sore thumb because I don't drink & drug. My husband knew how I felt about everything. They would of know it was me. By the time, I could call the police safely, Dan had already taking the kids. I told them everything I knew. Plus, all about my husband. They had no idea about him. I even asked them about Tina turning in the meth. The dective looked at me, like I was crazy. He told me she hadn't turned it in. I told him what I knew. Amazingly, a week or so, later she turned it in. Did I know all this would happen, of course,not. If I had would I have told sooner. But, it never occured to me that it would come to this. The only point I've tried to make is that both sides of the story should be told. Because if nothing else it shows how drugs destroyed everyone's life. Their family never used to be like this. They used to be happy, now all there is are ruins. If you look at some of the interviews, she says she turned it in to the police. Now, wheter or not the kids were being abused, Your guess is as good as mine. I don't think Tina was abusing them. I think Dan thought it was some one close to the family. Because he truly believed that with all his heart. Plus, meth tends to make people more parniod. But I can't see running around saying the kids are murdered. Not because of Dan but because of Tina. Hope is all she has to help her get up & try to get thought each day. Without that how can she think let alone face the future. As far as, Dr. Phil, they couldn't have done their home work that well. They didn't talk to Dan's three best friends, my husband and two other men that have know him for 15 years. There is no way to prove every thing. There's information the police are just not going to put out there. As far as child protection, it's one of the biggest jokes I know. I turn my husband' cuison in for meth use & hitting the kids. It was so hard that the child landed on the other side of my deck. This woman had thick, nasty scabs on her lips from a glass pipe. They didn't do a damm thing. She's still got the kids & still tokening away. Maybe every goverment office were you live does the right thing but here in the real world, the meth capital of our country, very seldom does it work that way. The workers have too many cases & are just burnt out. They just don't really see the horrors of it anymore. Their underpaid, overworked, & have dealt with things that none of us will ever even comprehen. It took me three years to get my grandsons. They knew the father did meth. Hell, there wasn't a drug test he didn't fail. Still it took 3 years. So, don't tell me about CPS, when you don't know anything about it. It must be nice to still in your little castle & judge everything and everyone. But down here with the rest of the peasants, I can tell you it's not that easy.
There are two problems I have with your scenario, Little Evil. First, to my knowledge, there has never been any evidence shown that Mrs. Porter was either abusing her children or had a drug problem. Show me a link to a news report or to a court record that supports your allegations and you will have instant credibility. Second, Mr. Porter has never alledged to have taken the children because he felt they were being abused. In fact, he has made it abundantly clear that he took the children to spite their mother.

All we have is a story from you, an anonymous internet poster. You will have to forgive any of us who take your story with a grain of salt. Frankly, I don't believe you and that's my perogative. But even if your story is true, it's immaterial. There is absolutely no justification for kidnapping OR murder. Regardless of your opinion of Child Protective Services, no legitimate father would go straight to kidnapping, without making some attempt at legal ways to protect his children. This all smacks of damage control and "excuse"-ism.

I do believe the children are dead at their father's hands. I may be wrong, but I seriously doubt that anyone is out there hiding his children for him. He may be stupid enough to sit in jail with his lips sealed, but I find it hard to believe that any one else is going to be willing to take a bullet for him.

[Traybone74]

OK, I have weighed in before, back on page 4 of this thread. I edited my post because I too at first brought up Tina's drug use. I didn't want to talk about someone when they can't defend themselves. However, I am going to open up a bit now in light of all that has been said so far.

I too, unfortunately have been involved in the meth world. I can't say I was the lone clean one in a crowd however. I know for a fact that both parents were meth users, here in the former meth capital of the US. half of Indep. seemed to be at one point. There was an article in The Rolling Stone back in Feb '89 called "America's Drug - Postcards From Tweakville" about this city. I have since cleaned my life up, and managed to keep my children.

I was in that world for almost 10 years though, and I can say that DFS is not that big a joke because I know of very few meth users that still have their kids. Though alot of them just abandon them with family, I know quite a few in foster care or placed with other family members because of DFS. There are very few who snow LE and DFS enough to keep their kids.

I believe he killed them to hurt her, I don't care what anyone says. Meth changes you, makes you do things you never would have done before. He wanted to hurt her cause she moved on. Why in the world would his gun have been found in the MO river right there at La Bonite park where he was seen at the time. If he didn't hurt them why would he throw the gun in the river, why even have it with him?

If he wanted to "save them" he could have done a million other things to get them away. If he loved them so much why not run with them? Country or no country, how could these 2 kids not have been seen by anyone? How can they be schooled, supported? Is it realistic to think someone is keeping them on a farm in the country and no one noticed? If that is the case, how could anyone think that is a better life for them, basically being held captive so no one sees them? That is the only way that would work.

Finally, there is no reason under any circumstances that I would say what Dan did was in any way justified. I know they both did use meth, I don't know if she still was using at the time. There is still no justification for taking the kids the way he did no matter what. If he didn't kill them, if he truly was trying to save them, he should have done it a diferent way.

[natasha-cupcake]

Traybone, I think your post is an honest and insightful one and I agree completely. I do not dispute that Mrs. Porter may have been involved in drug use. In the absence of concrete evidence, however, I chose to give her the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of any past mistakes she may have made, she is a victim in this case and deserves consideration.

I have no involvement in the drug culture and never have. My heart goes out to anyone and everyone whose lives have been destroyed by addictive substances in general and meth in particular. Truly an evil unleashed upon us.

I applaud your ability to get over the drug use and admire your courage. God bless you and your children.

[Traybone74]

I don't know if this has already been posted, so sorry if it is a duplicate posting, but this site was started this Feb. and an internet buddy of mine is the site admin. I hope you all check it out. It even has forums!!!:)

http://www.samandlindsey.org/

[little evil]

I have never said that Tina has abused her childern. Idon't believe that Tina hurt her childern or ever wanted them hurt. I would really like people to stop putting that in my mouth. I have already posted that. I do believe that it clouded her judgement about what & who her children were exposed to. The person in that post says that meth changes you & he is right. I've lived with an addict for 6 years. It makes them cruel, selfish & angery all the time. People do things they never would sober. I believe that Dan thought the childern were being hurt. Missouri is a mother oreinted state. If your a mother you really don't have to worry about your husband getting custody. It's a gender bias state. I say that & I'm a woman. I think he really believed he had no choice. I have never said I thought he was right. I just believe both sides deseves to be told. If I truly believed that my childern were being hurt & the court was no use to me. I would save my childern no matter what the cost. Why is it that the man can posted that he knew they were on drugs & I do believe that it is wonderful that he is sober. That is a feat that many addicts can't manage. I appuald him. He deseves all the respect. But somehow the respones to his post is it's o.k. that Tina used. I believe Dan simplely for the fact he is sober & his story has never changed

[jaybird]

Little Evil, you said:

I believe Dan simplely for the fact he is sober & his story has never changed

How can his story never change? It was never straight!! He tells Tina the kids are dead. He tells Tina the kids are alive. He tells Tina the kids are with friends. He says he sold them.

How is that a story that never changed?

[mindi77]

Little Evil, you said:

I believe Dan simplely for the fact he is sober & his story has never changed

How can his story never change? It was never straight!! He tells Tina the kids are dead. He tells Tina the kids are alive. He tells Tina the kids are with friends. He says he sold them.

How is that a story that never changed?



Seems like an ever changing story to me.

[Traybone74]

First of all Little Evil, I am a woman!! Second, I have to agree with everyone else, Dan is a big fat liar who has told so many I doubt he can keep them straight. Also, I missed the part where you said Dan is sober, but if you think about it, he is in jail....DUH!!!!

[little evil]

Oh, now, you believe there was drug use? DUH!!

[mindi77]

Duh, that's the point jail has sobered him up. He had no chocie in the matter. I never said his story stay the same for the media, laywers, cops or Tina. It has remain constant with us. He has not varied once or on any detail that he has told us. Duh, you think he's going to tell law enforcement the truth. Not quite bright are you? It would defeat his purpose to tell any of them. Don't you think or do you think? Common sense would say that as long as he can produce confusition, it's all the better for him.


I think you should use some common sense and not believe a drug addicted murderer. If he is clean now, then great but he wasn't clean when he took those kids. And yeah why would he tell the media and LE the truth because then he would spend life in prison. So if he tells you and your husband the truth about the kids have you told the cops. Do you have proof that they are alive and well. Have they called you? I mean what proof besides this mans word, which I wouldn't believe.

[Traybone74]

Oh, now, you believe there was drug use? DUH!!I agreed with you!! I was the one that said they were meth users as I am from Indep. as well. You really need to start thinking when you post.

And if his story has not wavered with you, his friends, who know him, then of course he is telling the truth!!! Uh-Uh, Dont think so!! I am sure he would not want to say "Hey, yeah, I killed them" and lose what little support he has out there. Why anyone would defend this guy is beyond me. I don't care if he was my brother!! Unless I knew for a fact that the kids were in danger with the mom, and I knew for a fact they were alive, there is no way I would defend him!!!

Lets face it!! Even if he magically reveals the kids whereabouts alive and well, this guy is exactly where he belongs, and not for long enough!!!:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

[little evil]

I have never said he shouldn't do time. He was wrong even if he thought he was doing the best for the kids. As a parent, I can understand. If I thought my kids were getting hurt, it would take more than a court or jail cell to make me talk. And of course, more is going on with the investigation than what the public is being told. How else could they investigate if the public knew everything? With all cases there are false confessers, people that call & make up things. Because they get off on it, in a sick sick way. There's going to be things that we will never know until it's all over.
l.e.

[little evil]

Traybone, Have you gone to the police, that at one point you were also a user. That you know them, you most likely have way more helpful info than I. But I went down of my own free will and got grilled for 6 hrs. Just in case I knew something that would help. HAVE YOU? That comment that you were speaking about wasn't for you

[partyuv5]

indepedence is the meth capital! so what about the kids? where are theu?

[richandfamous]

There is a "News Flash" on the kids website (dated 2/8/06) that they are looking for a woman they believe may have the children:

http://www.samandlindsey.org/index.php?option=com_weblinks&Itemid=23

That website has expired...wonder why. Someone here says they are friends with the owner of the website, can they find out why the site has been pulled?

[richandfamous]

I don't know if this has already been posted, so sorry if it is a duplicate posting, but this site was started this Feb. and an internet buddy of mine is the site admin. I hope you all check it out. It even has forums!!!:)

http://www.samandlindsey.org/

ah ha...Traybone, what happened to the site? thx

[Traybone74]

It may have been down when you tried or something, but I just clicked the link that was inside the quote and it worked fine. I don't know but pm me if you are still having a problem, I will see if there is something else I can do.


As for you Little Evil, I never said I knew them personally...I have never met them. I am saying I used to know people that used with them, or whatever... I know not one thing that would help the police. I wish I did!!!

P.S.