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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 05:37 PM
Here is a link to Robert's Info & Support thread: ID-Robert Manwill (8), Boise area - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

But I wanted to start one here for him to open up for further discussion and sleuthing.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 05:40 PM
Robert's NCMEC Poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1128002&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 05:42 PM
Some articles from Sunday:


UPDATE:FBI joins search for missing boy

http://www.670kboi.com/Article.asp?id=1429312&spid=18042 (http://www.670kboi.com/Article.asp?id=1429312&spid=18042)


Search for 8-year-old Boise boy continues Sunday with no solid leads

Boise police filed paperwork to issue an Amber Alert immediately but were denied because the incident does not meet the national criteria, said police spokesman Chuck McClure.

Family members were the last to see Robert. Police at this point don't suspect any family member is involved in his disappearance.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846262.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846262.html)


Video: http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51696977.html?video=YHI&t=a

Video saying Robert may have been seen in Ann Morrison Park on Saturday: http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2509-missing_boy.76b69882.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 05:45 PM
Monday's news, so far:

Police Expand Search for Missing Boise Boy

Eight-year-old Robert Manwill disappeared late Friday night and has not been seen since. The FBI and other municipal agencies have joined the search for Robert, which as of noon Monday will expand beyond the half-mile radius originally being investigated.

http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10790517&nav=menu536_7


Video with Robert's mom, Melissa Jenkins: http://www.kivitv.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3989613&h1=Search%20Continues%20For%20Missing%20Boise%20Bo y&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=134966&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=46911462


UPDATE: "No good leads" in boy's disappearance

Police continue to search for a missing eight-year-old Boise boy - and say they have no good leads into his disappearance.

[snip]

Helicopters from the Idaho National Guard have also joined in on the search, and are hovering over the area where he went missing - near Vista Ave. and Cherry Lane in Boise.

During a Monday morning news conference, police say they have received a number of leads - but nothing concrete that tells them where the boy may be.

The child’s family thanked the community for the response they’ve received, and for the large-scale search response.

"It's tough. It really is tough, this is very difficult to go through as a family," said Trish Burrill, who is Robert's aunt.

Police say this is one of the most important cases they’ve covered in a while – but despite the intense effort, they have so far come up empty.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2709-missing_boy.76b69882.html


Police renew call for Boiseans to look for missing boy; 'No reason to believe Robert is not safe'

Boise police are issuing a renewed call for the public's help to find missing 8-year-old Robert Manville, who disappeared Friday evening from an apartment complex near the intersection of Vista Boulevard and Cherry Lane in Boise.

They want anyone who lives or works around that area to look again in nooks and crannies and quiet spots — anywhere a 50-pound 8-year-old boy might be hiding.

"We hope to convey a message of hope... we have no reason to believe Robert is not safe," said Jim Kerns, deputy chief of operations for Boise police.

[snip]

Some 50 leads have come in, officials said, but none have panned out. The boy was last seen on the complex's playground after 7 p.m. Friday night and was gone by 9 p.m. Though some initial reports indicated the boy had wanted to go to a birthday party, police said they had no evidence of that.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846836.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 05:47 PM
According to the Idaho State Patrol sex offender registry, there are 408 RSO's within 5 miles of Robert's home. There are 70 within 1 mile. And there are 5-10 VERY close to his home.

I couldn't get the link of the search to work, but if you want to see, just use the 2800 W. Cherry Lane address that has been given in reports. That's not his exact address, it's just the block given in media reports.

http://www.isp.state.id.us/sor_id/map_search.htm

Patty G
07-27-2009, 06:53 PM
July 27, 2009
Prime News

YouTube - Prime News 7/27/09 Robert Manwill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlteLWBGrdk)

daisy7
07-27-2009, 07:06 PM
Thanks, Patty!

This is the first I heard of a playground, but then it said he left his apartment?

Was he last seen around 7:00pm or 9:30pm?

I really hope he's found soon!!

DollyPardonMe
07-27-2009, 07:08 PM
Some articles from Sunday:


UPDATE:FBI joins search for missing boy

http://www.670kboi.com/Article.asp?id=1429312&spid=18042 (http://www.670kboi.com/Article.asp?id=1429312&spid=18042)


Search for 8-year-old Boise boy continues Sunday with no solid leads

Boise police filed paperwork to issue an Amber Alert immediately but were denied because the incident does not meet the national criteria, said police spokesman Chuck McClure.
Family members were the last to see Robert. Police at this point don't suspect any family member is involved in his disappearance.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846262.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846262.html)


Video: http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51696977.html?video=YHI&t=a

Video saying Robert may have been seen in Ann Morrison Park on Saturday: http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2509-missing_boy.76b69882.html

BBM

A Child is Missing..S[REW Criteria!!! It's those critical minutes that count!! Grrr!!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 07:17 PM
Thanks, Patty!

This is the first I heard of a playground, but then it said he left his apartment?

Was he last seen around 7:00pm or 9:30pm?

I really hope he's found soon!!

Initial reports said he left his house at 9:30 to attend a party. Today, police have said that this never happened. They now say that his parents saw him playing about 7:00, but he was gone by 9:00. Not sure what to make of this change in story.

BBM

A Child is Missing..S[REW Criteria!!! It's those critical minutes that count!! Grrr!!

Agreed. In my opinion, since the AMBER Alert was refused...the second they knew it couldn't be issued, they should have started the process for a CANS Missing Endangered Alert instead. I'm not sure of the criteria for that one, but they have used it before when criteria for an AMBER Alert can't be met (for Haleigh, Adji, and Lindsey).

JustPeachy
07-27-2009, 07:26 PM
According to the Idaho State Patrol sex offender registry, there are 408 RSO's within 5 miles of Robert's home. There are 70 within 1 mile. And there are 5-10 VERY close to his home.

I couldn't get the link of the search to work, but if you want to see, just use the 2800 W. Cherry Lane address that has been given in reports. That's not his exact address, it's just the block given in media reports.

http://www.isp.state.id.us/sor_id/map_search.htm

:eek:Yikes thats a lot of RSOs. Praying he will be found safe.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 07:45 PM
ISP outlines AMBER alert criteria

When 8-year-old Robert Manwill went missing Friday, Boise police officers requested an AMBER alert through Idaho State Police but the request was denied.

But Dawn Peck with The Idaho State Police says Boise investigators had no solid leads the child had indeed been abducted, a top requirement for an alert.

"Without any evidence of abduction, we could not proceed with an AMBER alert," said Peck.

http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51816107.html

daisy7
07-27-2009, 07:54 PM
I just get so:furious: when AA's aren't issued!! Do they think this 8yo left willingly?

I read somewhere that the state wouldn't issue the AA, cuz it didn't meet the national guideline. I thought these were just "suggested" guidelines?

hoppyfrog
07-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Thanks for staying on top of this case, Idaho4Groenes. I'm really worried for Robert. That number of RSOs is frightening, and I just don't know what to make in the change of story from his parents. I hope it was just that the reporter got it wrong, not that Robert's parents are being evasive.

Hoppy

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 07:56 PM
Ummm...does this look like the same Melissa Jenkins to anyone else? Certainly looks like it to me. Will try to do a side-by-side (if needed or wanted) when I get home from work.

I'm not saying she had anything to do with Robert's disapparance, but it's definately interesting...

http://www.2news.tv/news/40736317.html

hoppyfrog
07-27-2009, 08:17 PM
Could be. If you can do a side-by-side, that would be great.

Hoppy

daisy7
07-27-2009, 08:23 PM
They definitely look similar. Has LE said anything about suspicions about the family, lie detectors taken?

This little boy looks SO much like my DS - it just breaks my heart that he is missing!!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 08:55 PM
LEFT: Melissa Jenkins, Robert's mother / RIGHT: Melissa Jenkins from the article.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/JenkinsSBS.jpg?t=1248742329

Now I'm not entirely sure. Robert's mom looks older, but it might just be the stress from having a missing son. Has anything been said about how old Robert's mother Melissa is?


Also, this is the only thing I can find that LE has said about the family's involvement or non-involvement:

Family members were the last to see Robert. Police at this point don't suspect any family member is involved in his disappearance.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846262.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/846262.html)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 08:59 PM
Police will update public on search for missing boy at 7 p.m. press conference

http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/846836.html

Should be starting any minute...

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 09:22 PM
Here's a better side-by-side that makes it look like the same person.

LEFT: From today's press conference
RIGHT: From the article

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/JenkinsSBS3.jpg?t=1248744045

dreamweaver
07-27-2009, 09:28 PM
Melissa J has that one eyebrow that is a little higher, those circles under her eyes and the same hairline.

TopTop
07-27-2009, 09:36 PM
Ummm...does this look like the same Melissa Jenkins to anyone else? Certainly looks like it to me. Will try to do a side-by-side (if needed or wanted) when I get home from work.

I'm not saying she had anything to do with Robert's disapparance, but it's definately interesting...

http://www.2news.tv/news/40736317.html

Looks like the same woman to me. Interesting.

impatientredhead
07-27-2009, 09:43 PM
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page42172.aspx

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE http://www.cityofboise.org/web_resources/cob_resources/images/spacer.gif
March 04, 2009 http://www.cityofboise.org/web_resources/cob_resources/images/spacer.gif

http://www.cityofboise.org/web_resources/cob_resources/images/spacer.gif

03-04-09 Felony injury to a child warrant arrest




Boise March 4th, 2009 - On Tuesday (March 3rd) Ada County Deputies arrested a Boise woman on a Felony injury to a child warrant. The Warrant stems from a Boise City case that began last year.

Warrant Arrest: Melissa S Jenkins, 29, Boise

Charges: Injurty to a child (F)

What happened: On 10/20/2008 at approximately 10:39 PM Boise Police where called to a local hospital on a suspicious injury to a child. Investigators determined that on the previous day a child under the age of one at the time had been injured at a East Boise home. The boy received what appeared to be serious head injuries during the incident. The child was taken on imminent danger and turned over to the custody of State Health and Welfare. After a detailed investigation detectives forwarded the case to the Ada County Prosecutors Office for review. Yesterday (March 3rd) Ada County Deputies arrested a Boise woman, the mother of the child, on the Felony injury to a child warrant.

No further information is available at this time.

Release Prepared By:
Charles McClure
Boise Police Public Information


http://www.cityofboise.org/web_resources/cob_resources/images/spacer.gif

impatientredhead
07-27-2009, 09:45 PM
March 05, 2009

Boise mom arrested after son's head injury

- STATESMAN STAFF

Melissa S. Jenkins, 29, turned herself in at the Ada County Jail Tuesday, hours after a warrant was issued for her arrest on a charge of felony injury to child. Jenkins' 8-month-old son suffered a fractured skull in October and is in the custody of the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare, Boise police reports. The child was taken to the hospital one day after he was injured, police said.

daisy7
07-27-2009, 09:55 PM
Wow, they do look really similar in the last side-by-side!

Do we know the age of Robert's Mom?

daisy7
07-27-2009, 10:01 PM
Haven't looked yet, but does Boise clerk of courts list the addresses of people charged in crimes in their on-line records (my county doesn't)?

impatientredhead
07-27-2009, 10:12 PM
Haven't looked yet, but does Boise clerk of courts list the addresses of people charged in crimes in their on-line records (my county doesn't)?

They don't seem to even list their records online.
The only thing I can find is the old fashion request, fax and mail.
The docket for each day is available but I cannot find an archive.

It sure seems to be the same one.
There is only one listing for the name in Idaho.
Same phone number comes up for Robin Jenkins, male.

DollyPardonMe
07-27-2009, 10:14 PM
I did a search on People Search and Melissa is 30 years old. Guess she was married to an Afton Manwill ( Robert's Father ?) She also has another couple of last names..Seiber and Sperry.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 10:18 PM
I did a search on People Search and Melissa is 30 years old. Guess she was married to an Afton Manwill ( Robert's Father ?) She also has another couple of last names..Seiber and Sperry.

Hmmm, Robert's father's name is Charles Manwill...perhaps he goes by Charles instead of Afton?

Shelby77
07-27-2009, 10:25 PM
Afton appears to be a female from what I could find anyway..
I found her name linked to a Charles M., fwiw..

ETA: I just saw your post above Idaho4Groenes :)

mysticrose
07-27-2009, 10:28 PM
I would have to say that is the same woman espec. after you did the side by side..I sure hope LE isnt overlooking that one. That just took place (arrest) when March 09 is that what I read..?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 10:32 PM
I would have to say that is the same woman espec. after you did the side by side..I sure hope LE isnt overlooking that one. That just took place (arrest) when March 09 is that what I read..?

The incident took place in October of 2008, but the arrest was in March of 2009. I'm sure LE is aware of it. After all, family is usually the first place they look. But they, and we, shouldn't forget about the 70 RSOs within a mile of his home, plus the ones who don't register, and the ones who haven't been caught, and the first time offenders.

TripleA
07-27-2009, 11:04 PM
Should we assume that he was at the playground alone? Unsupervised? No buddy system?

tfrohning
07-27-2009, 11:25 PM
have anyone hear if this little boy been found??

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 11:37 PM
have anyone hear if this little boy been found??

Robert is still missing.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 11:44 PM
This is the only "new" info from tonight's presser that I can find at this time.

Boise police said Monday night that they are following up on 75 leads they have received since Robert Manwill went missing Friday night.

They drained a pond at Oak Park Village and found nothing. More than 40 police officers participated in a house-to-house search Monday, and about 126 volunteers teamed up with officers to search public areas.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/846836.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-27-2009, 11:57 PM
A poster on another website is claiming to be one of Robert's aunts. THIS CANNOT BE CONFIRMED because it's just someone posting on a website, but...she says that Robert did ask to go to the party but it was earlier in the day. Robert's mom's boyfriend let him go outside to play while mom was still at work. They noticed that he was gone between 9-9:30. She also says "My sister and Robert's father have primary custody of Robert while his mother has limited visitation. Her visitation was revoked a while ago until she completed some time in lock up and several hours of parenting/anger management classes for the fracture in her infants skull."

Again, this can't be verified as it's just a posting on a website. If I need to remove it or provide a link, just let me know. But if this is true, the connection we made earlier is correct. The woman is the same person.

ETA LINK: http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15748&page=6

WillenFan21
07-28-2009, 12:33 AM
that def looks like the same woman. The lines on the mouth etc are identicle.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 01:21 AM
Day 3 Search For Missing Boise Boy Comes Up Empty

A search for a missing 8 year-old boy is entering its fourth day Tuesday morning, and despite following over 70 leads police still have found no sign of Robert Manwill.

"This is the most important investigation we have had in a long time", says Police Chief Michael Masterson.

The investigation into the disappearance of eight year old Robert Manwill is more than 72 hours old at this point.

[snip]

The search will be expanded out to a mile and half radius on Tuesday. Police are not looking for anymore volunteers to help.

http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10790517&nav=menu536_9_7_1

marlene
07-28-2009, 02:16 AM
I haven't been able to be here for awhile, Robert is why I'm here. This ones really bothering me, I can't sleep. I've been praying he be found by now. 3 days and still no sign of this little guy. Please let him be found soon.

Busylady
07-28-2009, 02:40 AM
This is her myspace

http://www.myspace.com/147783625

One of her friends in the comment section has an avatar with Roberts pic on it.

DollyPardonMe
07-28-2009, 02:50 AM
This is her myspace

http://www.myspace.com/147783625

One of her friends in the comment section has an avatar with Roberts pic on it.

One of her Top Friends is 18 years old and claims to be Roberts big brother. He has posted that his little brother is missing..How sad...

http://www.myspace.com/kenmanwill

dreamweaver
07-28-2009, 03:32 AM
'police not looking for more volunteers'... okay. What does that mean?
How can you have too many people on a search?
Why did they search only a 1/2 mile radius at first?

'robert's mom's boyfriend let him go out to play.'
I thought Robert was with his dad and aunt.
Why would the bf be in charge?

What time did Robert go out to play?
Who saw him at 9:30pm?

Does he live with his mom? or dad?
Mom appears to be same one who hurt her baby last fall.
When is the last time mom saw Robert?

I think LE knows much more than they are saying.
And it certainly does not look good for Robert.

Liz
07-28-2009, 03:37 AM
:praying: for Robert

hoppyfrog
07-28-2009, 03:43 AM
A poster on another website is claiming to be one of Robert's aunts. THIS CANNOT BE CONFIRMED because it's just someone posting on a website, but...she says that Robert did ask to go to the party but it was earlier in the day. Robert's mom's boyfriend let him go outside to play while mom was still at work. They noticed that he was gone between 9-9:30. She also says "My sister and Robert's father have primary custody of Robert while his mother has limited visitation. Her visitation was revoked a while ago until she completed some time in lock up and several hours of parenting/anger management classes for the fracture in her infants skull."

Again, this can't be verified as it's just a posting on a website. If I need to remove it or provide a link, just let me know. But if this is true, the connection we made earlier is correct. The woman is the same person.

Yes, you need to provide a link. Thanks.

Hoppy

dreamweaver
07-28-2009, 03:52 AM
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/search.php?searchid=1109332
This site
says that Robert in custody of dad and step mom.
He is only with mom and mom's bf in summer.

Melissa is the person who hurt her baby in Oct. 2008. She was convicted.
Supposedly, the baby is back in her care.

That site we are not supposed to mention, has info and Melissa's court record.

lalalemon
07-28-2009, 05:11 AM
http://www.idahostatesman.com/273/story/846836.html?commentSort=TimeStampDescending&pageNum=2&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

On the 2nd page of comments, the very last comment states:

"The boy is my neighbor. He only stays there in the summer, with his mother and step father. Good kid, great manners. And, YES, there is much that has yet to be told which doth stink."

So.... Why does Robert only live there during the Summer?!?!

This person states his a good kid with good manners, but maybe Mom and/or Step Dad got angry with him for some reason? Hate to say it, but it would appear Mom has a violent past?

Busylady
07-28-2009, 07:44 AM
https://www.idcourts.us/repository/partySearch.do

You can search court records here

daisy7
07-28-2009, 08:17 AM
Here is the child abuse case
https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?roaDetail=yes&schema=ADA&county=Ada&partySeq=2188030&displayName=Jenkins%2C+Melissa+Scott

And, here is a child support enforcement case with MJ and R. Sohm?
https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?roaDetail=yes&schema=ADA&county=Ada&partySeq=374637&displayName=Jenkins%2C+Melissa+Scott

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 10:44 AM
A poster on another website is claiming to be one of Robert's aunts. THIS CANNOT BE CONFIRMED because it's just someone posting on a website, but...she says that Robert did ask to go to the party but it was earlier in the day. Robert's mom's boyfriend let him go outside to play while mom was still at work. They noticed that he was gone between 9-9:30. She also says "My sister and Robert's father have primary custody of Robert while his mother has limited visitation. Her visitation was revoked a while ago until she completed some time in lock up and several hours of parenting/anger management classes for the fracture in her infants skull."

Again, this can't be verified as it's just a posting on a website. If I need to remove it or provide a link, just let me know. But if this is true, the connection we made earlier is correct. The woman is the same person.

Sorry to quote myself here but here is the link that I was supposed to have included. http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15748&page=6 The poster that is supposedly his aunt is Doitaynstyle.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 11:06 AM
The search goes on for missing Boise boy Robert Manwill

After chasing more than 50 leads, Boise investigators say they still don't know the whereabouts of Robert Manwill, an 8-year-old who went missing Friday night.

[snip]

Boise Police Department detectives said there is no indication Manwill was abducted. Since there is no evidence of abduction, police have limited the search to the Boise area.

More: http://www.idahopress.com/news/?id=25073

SleuthyMama
07-28-2009, 11:08 AM
I pray that Robert is found safe. And soon. Gotta say though that the fact that his mom was arrested previously for child abuse is not sitting well with me with regard to Robert's whereabouts.

I just don't have a good feeling about this.

DollyPardonMe
07-28-2009, 11:13 AM
I did a search on People Search and Melissa is 30 years old. Guess she was married to an Afton Manwill ( Robert's Father ?) She also has another couple of last names..Seiber and Sperry.

Sorry...I looked in the column that usually shows spouses and it showed Afton. I just assumed Afton was male.

JustPeachy
07-28-2009, 11:18 AM
I pray that I am wrong, but I'm starting to have a "not so good" feeling about this case.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 11:21 AM
Sorry...I looked in the column that usually shows spouses and it showed Afton. I just assumed Afton was male.

No worries. =) From the same poster here (http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/search.php?searchid=1109672) it looks like Charles Manwill is married to Afton (the poster's sister). Robert's mother, Melissa Jenkins, has visitation, and an "unknown" boyfriend. By unknown I just mean that we haven't heard his name.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 11:25 AM
Search intensifies for missing 8-year-old Boise boy
More than 100 volunteers join effort; no evidence of foul play

Pam Yancey skipped her hair appointment Monday afternoon when a pair of plainclothes FBI agents showed up at her Oak Park Village apartment in Boise.

Yancey answered questions, filled out a questionnaire and let the men search her apartment and her car. It was the third time since Friday that law enforcement officials had come knocking, and the second time she let them search her apartment.

She said she didn't mind because scores of local and federal police officers and hundreds of volunteers are conducting an unprecedented search for an 8-year-old boy who has been missing since Friday night.

"I just hope they find the kid," Yancey said.

More: http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/847786.html?commentSort=TimeStampDescending&pageNum=1

not_my_kids
07-28-2009, 11:33 AM
I hate to say it, but I don't think this one will end well.
Too many conflicting reports already, mom has a history of abuse...fractured skull...let me guess, she slipped taking him out of the bathtub or he fell off the couch. That's how these things always happen, leading to a terrible misunderstanding. ~rolls eyes~

I can, will and do hold out hope that this is different from most cases that have these circumstances, but I think that maybe this time when his mother lost her temper, she thought it better that there not be that pesky hospital report to help in her conviction.

Very, very sad, all the way around.

mysticrose
07-28-2009, 11:43 AM
Snipped and bolded by me....
How do you not know the friend this little boy was going to the party at ?! Could some one please explain.....And another thing..why are police saying he was not abducted ? Where is he then do they think he just wandered off and why would this kid be walking alone ? Someone needs to be slapped upside the head a couple of time's until we can get some answers...jmo of course...


The search goes on for missing Boise boy Robert Manwill

Teams volunteers and police, including about 20 agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, have combed the Boise area for Manwill, who was last seen about 9:30 p.m. Friday night in the 2800 block of Cherry Lane.

Family told police he may have been headed to a party at an unknown friend's house.

http://www.idahopress.com/news/?id=25073

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 11:43 AM
I hate to say it, but I don't think this one will end well.
Too many conflicting reports already, mom has a history of abuse...fractured skull...let me guess, she slipped taking him out of the bathtub or he fell off the couch. That's how these things always happen, leading to a terrible misunderstanding. ~rolls eyes~

I can, will and do hold out hope that this is different from most cases that have these circumstances, but I think that maybe this time when his mother lost her temper, she thought it better that there not be that pesky hospital report to help in her conviction.

Very, very sad, all the way around.

I must regretfully agree with you here. We got the info about the birthday party from Charles Manwill, Robert's dad. But the thing is...Robert wasn't with his dad that day. So my ASSUMPTION/GUESS/SPECULATION (is that clear enough? lol) is that the story of the birthday party was just a story made up by his mom or mom's boyfriend. Either that or his dad made up the story for some reason...Someone trying to hide something, IMO. A change of story that big is a red flag. Walking out of the house to go to a party vs. Playing outside for 2+ hours and then disappearing.....

Ugh. My brain is going in circles. There are so many possibilities here and unanswered questions. Not to mention the horrible way the FELONY injury to a child was handled.

It's going to be a long day at work...on Websleuths. :crazy:

ckwood32
07-28-2009, 11:52 AM
I think this idiot "Mother" had something to do with it. She cracked her infant's skull??!! She shouldn't have any type of visitation with any child!!!

SleuthyMama
07-28-2009, 11:58 AM
I think this idiot "Mother" had something to do with it. She cracked her infant's skull??!! She shouldn't have any type of visitation with any child!!!

At the VERY least it should have been supervised at all times.

daisy7
07-28-2009, 12:08 PM
I read somewhere (sorry, don't have the link handy) that the Mom was at work and he was home with the boyfriend - do you all know anything more about this?

DotsEyes
07-28-2009, 12:12 PM
It is 11:00am Central Time, 7/28/09 and I am officially calling BS on the mother and her BF.

He was eight years old and shouldn't have been wandering around outside at 9:30pm!

Another child victim of a negligent and criminal mother and her live in BF. It makes me sick. This little boy is dead and he didn't wander off on his own and fall into a canal. I am amazed that the story is basically that the adults just didn't know what he was up to between what 7 and 9:30pm and he may have wandered over to a party, but no one knows where the party was, or who hosted it. Shut up.

LE is not supecting the family? Ha! That is what they are saying now to keep everyone talking. This woman almost killed one baby already. Right, she isn't suspect. OK. And I am the Queen of France.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 12:17 PM
I read somewhere (sorry, don't have the link handy) that the Mom was at work and he was home with the boyfriend - do you all know anything more about this?

This was stated by Robert's aunt on another forum that I've linked above. It hasn't been verified by LE, or stated in the media, though. If true, though, it's very concerning.

hoppyfrog
07-28-2009, 12:17 PM
It is 11:00am Central Time, 7/28/09 and I am officially calling BS on the mother and her BF.

He was eight years old and shouldn't have been wandering around outside at 9:30pm!

Another child victim of a negligent and criminal mother and her live in BF. It makes me sick. This little boy is dead and he didn't wander off on his own and fall into a canal. I am amazed that the story is basically that the adults just didn't know what he was up to between what 7 and 9:30pm and he may have wandered over to a party, but no one knows where the party was, or who hosted it. Shut up.

LE is not supecting the family? Ha! That is what they are saying now to keep everyone talking. This woman almost killed one baby already. Right, she isn't suspect. OK. And I am the Queen of France.

Pleased to meet you, Your Royal Highness!

And might I say, I could not agree with you more.

Hoppy

mysticrose
07-28-2009, 12:19 PM
This is what I mean about our court system. Why on earth was this mother allowed to have him for the summer ? She still should have to have supervised visitation w/ only every other weekend. I'am sorry but to much of this kind of stuff gets way over looked, just not much thought put in to it..MOO

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 12:25 PM
This is what I mean about our court system. Why on earth was this mother allowed to have him for the summer ? She still should have to have supervised visitation w/ only every other weekend. I'am sorry but to much of this kind of stuff gets way over looked, just not much thought put in to it..MOO

Not only that, but the FELONY Injury to a Child was plead down to a misdemeanor, and she served only 30 days in jail.

https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?roaDetail=yes&schema=ADA&county=Ada&partySeq=2188030&displayName=Jenkins%2C+Melissa+Scott

Worse, the rumor is that the baby may be back in her care at this time.

Salem
07-28-2009, 12:30 PM
I must regretfully agree with you here. We got the info about the birthday party from Charles Manwill, Robert's dad. But the thing is...Robert wasn't with his dad that day. So my ASSUMPTION/GUESS/SPECULATION (is that clear enough? lol) is that the story of the birthday party was just a story made up by his mom or mom's boyfriend. Either that or his dad made up the story for some reason...Someone trying to hide something, IMO. A change of story that big is a red flag. Walking out of the house to go to a party vs. Playing outside for 2+ hours and then disappearing.....

Ugh. My brain is going in circles. There are so many possibilities here and unanswered questions. Not to mention the horrible way the FELONY injury to a child was handled.

It's going to be a long day at work...on Websleuths. :crazy:

Wait - Maybe Robert was invited to a friend's house for a birthday party while he was with his dad, but couldn't go to the party because he had to visit with his mother. This happens to my grandkids all the time.

So.... Robert is visiting with mom and for one reason or another, he gets upset and decides to walk to the party. He's 8. Time and distance are not major concepts at this point and if he was upset, he wouldn't care, right?

Having said all that, I too am very concerned about Robert's being with his mother, possibily left with the BF and who knows what.

Prayers for this child, may he be safe and home soon.

Salem

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I read somewhere (sorry, don't have the link handy) that the Mom was at work and he was home with the boyfriend - do you all know anything more about this?

That is my understanding.
We also don't know that the boyfriend didn't crack the skull of the 8 month old. All we know is she was charged after the baby came to the hospital a day after the "incident". Whether it was her or the boyfriend I think we can anticipate the outcome of this story. Not good at all, one of the two of them know where he is and how he got there and as usual that is why the stories about wandering at 9:30 and unknown party holders make no sense. Because they are lying.

mysticrose
07-28-2009, 12:32 PM
New Info In Case Of Missing Boy


Boise, Idaho -- The search continues for 8-year-old Robert Manwill.

Family members were the last to see Manwill as he walked out of his Boise Apartment Friday. Boise Police are now saying they've never dealt with a case like this, and they're now very concerned for Manwill's safety. Up until this point, they haven't really said that.

Because of his age and the time he's been missing, 72 hours, they're now very concerned for his safety. As of Monday, the standing pond that is in Manwill's apartment complex, has been drained and there's no sign of him in there. They've also skimmed any standing water or canals in the area.

Police have also been in contact with any registered sex offenders in the area. They're really not telling us if they've got any good leads from them. However, they have told us they've gotten over 75 leads, but whether that means actual legitimate leads they're not saying.

Manwill's aunt, who is acting as a family spokesperson, had this to say at Monday's press conference:

"We want you to keep your eyes open, and your ears open we want you to pay attention to every detail and look for Robert look for him and bring him home that is our main goal. "

http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/story.asp?S=10800341&nav=menu439_2_1

mysticrose
07-28-2009, 12:34 PM
Oh so now police are "very concerned" for his saftey....Are you kidding me, for pete's sake, they should have had a high level of concern when they could not find him to begin with....(beat my head please)

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 12:41 PM
Not only that, but the FELONY Injury to a Child was plead down to a misdemeanor, and she served only 30 days in jail.

https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?roaDetail=yes&schema=ADA&county=Ada&partySeq=2188030&displayName=Jenkins%2C+Melissa+Scott

Worse, the rumor is that the baby may be back in her care at this time.

According to this the boy was still in fostercare in February with a court order for her to pay support. The boy's father's name is listed in the same case, haven't looked him up yet but this may be the boyfriend. There is no indication that he has been returned to her in the court records. There are eviction cases and small claims for Melissa as well as one sealed record. The child injury case was sealed at one point though so maybe it is the same one?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 12:44 PM
Oh so now police are "very concerned" for his saftey....Are you kidding me, for pete's sake, they should have had a high level of concern when they could not find him to begin with....(beat my head please)

Seriously. At least we now know their concern-o-meter levels. We know know that if you're 8, you have to be missing for 3+ days before the red flags start going up. :doh:

We can bang our heads together because I feel the same way. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Boyz_Mum
07-28-2009, 12:47 PM
It does kind of sound like the "mom" and her boyfriend may have made up the story about the party and dad accepted that as an explanation? One of my guys is nine, and any party he's ever been invited to is usually a weekend afternoon. I realize people do different things for parties and some people have sleepovers and whatnot but in general, we haven't been to a lot of nighttime parties for kids under 13 years old. (Maybe we're all a bunch of fuddy duddies?)

I had worried that some perv tried to lure the boy with the promise of a party, but I really think that was a BS story. (JMO...)

I am among you who don't have a good feeling about this case. "Mom's" history doesn't seem promising and then to read that Robert may have been home with the boyfriend while mom worked, leaves me with all types of bad feelings. I hope my feelings are wrong.

DotsEyes
07-28-2009, 12:52 PM
How many cracked baby skulls do you get under your belt in Idaho before you go to jail?

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 12:57 PM
Okay, looked up the father of the 8 month old who may or may not be the current boyfriend. He has a battery, probation violation, grand theft auto, two burglaries, fraud by bounced check, and some petty stuff from when he was younger. He is Jr and Sr has a bunch of financial civil cases so the money ones are bit harder to sort out. But he sounds like a real winner.

He also has a sealed case just like Melissa.

AmandaReckonwith
07-28-2009, 12:58 PM
The link to Melissa and the baby case doesn't work for me.

But I sure have a lot of questions about who was in the home with Robert that day.
Who's the BF, does he have a violent record?

I mean, yeah, an 8 yr old boy loves to sneak and hide out.... but only until they get hungry or scared.
Something bad has happened, I'm afraid.

Recovering-Lurker
07-28-2009, 12:59 PM
They don't even know for sure which shirt he was wearing. :doh:

He was possibly wearing a brown shirt with writing on the back "Andy don't need no Mic" or a blue shirt with a superman symbol on the front.

http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51696977.html

AmandaReckonwith
07-28-2009, 12:59 PM
Okay, looked up the father of the 8 month old who may or may not be the current boyfriend. He has a battery, probation violation, grand theft auto, two burglaries, fraud by bounced check, and some petty stuff from when he was younger. He is Jr and Sr has a bunch of financial civil cases so the money ones are bit harder to sort out. But he sounds like a real winner.

He also has a sealed case just like Melissa.


Awww. Bad news right here. I hope they look at this guy.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 01:00 PM
Okay, looked up the father of the 8 month old who may or may not be the current boyfriend. He has a battery, probation violation, grand theft auto, two burglaries, fraud by bounced check, and some petty stuff from when he was younger. He is Jr and Sr has a bunch of financial civil cases so the money ones are bit harder to sort out. But he sounds like a real winner.

He also has a sealed case just like Melissa.

Wow. A winner indeed. It would be very interesting to know if this father is her current boyfriend.

daisy7
07-28-2009, 01:01 PM
I'm a registered member of the fuddy duddy club!:)

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 01:05 PM
Charles Manwill- Robert's father, a petty theft and several speeding issues but I found a file that referred to Melissa as Melissa Manwill. Searched that name and Charles did file for custody following the skull fracture and it was granted.

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 01:07 PM
Also of interesting note is that she is Melissa Scott Jenkins 1979 in set of files and Melissa Colleen Manwill 1976 in the other?????

daisy7
07-28-2009, 01:09 PM
They don't even know for sure which shirt he was wearing. :doh:



http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51696977.html

As a Mommy of 4 DS, I definitely wouldn't remember what they were wearing. I can't remember what the boys are wearing from one day to the other. Really, I'd have to look in the dirty clothes to remember what they wore the day before.

My 3 older DS are spending the summer with their grandmother in Miami. I took my youngest DS to daycare this morning and I am straining my brain to remember what he's wearing!!:)

mistivon
07-28-2009, 01:11 PM
anyone have a link to this mornings presser??

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 01:13 PM
Going back to the father of the 8 month old there is a sealed case for Baby Boy Ehrlick in 2005. What does that mean? That the child wasn't even named? And that is not the 8 month old because that happened in 2008?

mistivon
07-28-2009, 01:14 PM
found it but it hasn't started yet?

http://www.2news.tv/home/ondemand/15768972.html

SleuthyMama
07-28-2009, 01:22 PM
Would someone answer a question for me? What would be some reasons a case would be sealed?

I thought records were sealed if a perp was a minor. Are there other instances you can think of?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Going back to the father of the 8 month old there is a sealed case for Baby Boy Ehrlick in 2005. What does that mean? That the child wasn't even named? And that is not the 8 month old because that happened in 2008?

I'm not sure. But what it brings to mind is that something may have happened to this baby boy before he was born, or before he had a chance to be named. From this, can we assume the father of the 8-month-old's last name is Ehrlick?

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 01:26 PM
Would someone answer a question for me? What would be some reasons a case would be sealed?

I thought records were sealed if a perp was a minor. Are there other instances you can think of?

Victim is a minor and the details of the case are sealed for their protection. Not sure why else they would be sealed if it is not an ongoing case.

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 01:28 PM
I'm not sure. But what it brings to mind is that something may have happened to this baby boy before he was born, or before he had a chance to be named. From this, can we assume the father of the 8-month-old's last name is Ehrlick?

For some reason my attachment wouldn't stick to the original post, but yes Daniel Ehrlick Jr is the father of the 8 month old according the child support payable to foster care case. Lets try this attachment again.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 01:29 PM
Would someone answer a question for me? What would be some reasons a case would be sealed?

I thought records were sealed if a perp was a minor. Are there other instances you can think of?

Underlining by me.

Sealing is important in maintaining the confidentially of medical records, the identities of assault victims, and certain types of business documents which are disputed in civil suits. However, sealing could also be used to protect a company or individual from public consequences and further prosecution

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Taubman_Center/FOI/HTML/sealed1.html

nursebeeme
07-28-2009, 01:30 PM
I must regretfully agree with you here. We got the info about the birthday party from Charles Manwill, Robert's dad. But the thing is...Robert wasn't with his dad that day. So my ASSUMPTION/GUESS/SPECULATION (is that clear enough? lol) is that the story of the birthday party was just a story made up by his mom or mom's boyfriend. Either that or his dad made up the story for some reason...Someone trying to hide something, IMO. A change of story that big is a red flag. Walking out of the house to go to a party vs. Playing outside for 2+ hours and then disappearing.....

Ugh. My brain is going in circles. There are so many possibilities here and unanswered questions. Not to mention the horrible way the FELONY injury to a child was handled.

It's going to be a long day at work...on Websleuths. :crazy: what you just posted Idaho got me thinking off on somewhat of a tangent... I am wondering if mom had the SAME boyfriend at the time of the skull fracture???

gaia227
07-28-2009, 01:34 PM
If this woman is capable of fracturing her 8 month old babies little skull I am quite afraid she is capable of seriously harming her 8 yr old son or at least standing idly while someone else did - like her boyfriend. I will be shocked if they really have nothing to do with it.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 01:37 PM
what you just posted Idaho got me thinking off on somewhat of a tangent... I am wondering if mom had the SAME boyfriend at the time of the skull fracture???

That's what we're trying to figure out. Unfortunately, the current bf hasn't been publicly named. It definately wouldn't surprise me if they were the same though.

mistivon
07-28-2009, 01:39 PM
presser is starting now

nursebeeme
07-28-2009, 01:40 PM
In addition to the public's help, the FBI is now involved.

20 FBI agents are in the area, and more could be on the way at a moment’s notice to help find Manwill.
http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/idaho/stories/NW_072709IDN-missing-boy-LJ.80713957.html

forgive a nurse if this was already posted

nursebeeme
07-28-2009, 01:40 PM
presser is starting now

do you have a link mistivon? tia!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 01:44 PM
http://www.fisherinteractive.com/kbci/live/

mistivon
07-28-2009, 01:45 PM
he's still missing
single focus is to find robert
family still coming in to Boise
Main priority for Boise PD, and other agencies, FBI, Team Adam
missing from oak park apartments
new investigators arriving daily
thanks to volunteers, and again today, they are tremendous asset. their effort is supported
going in many diff directions, cannot discuss the leads.
Hopeful they are going to find robert.
asking city to assist them in putting together a timeline for friday. Talk to your children, find out if they had contact with Robert on Friday. Very important info
house to house continues. Over 100 RSOs interviewed.
concerned for robert's welfare.
family tells LE that he likes to explore and check out hiding places. LE asking ppl to check their sheds, garages, etc.
Another presser at 7pm.

mistivon
07-28-2009, 01:46 PM
sorry nurse, I posted it a few posts back :(

cwiz24
07-28-2009, 01:48 PM
I didn't catch who those people were in the back row behind the police. I assume one couple was grandparents, but who were the younger couple (the woman with the teddy bear)? It didn't look like Robert's mother to me...

mistivon
07-28-2009, 02:01 PM
The woman with the teddy bear was the aunt the "family spokesperson"

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 02:03 PM
Hundreds of volunteers help in the search for missing boy

Hundreds of police and volunteers are once again spread out across a wide area of the Boise Bench today hoping to find a missing boy.

Eight-year-old Robert Manwill has been missing since Friday night.

At this morning's briefing, Boise Police gave us an update on what Robert was wearing.

He has on faded blue T-shirt, with a Superman logo. He was also wearing blue jeans and dark sneakers.

Police told us there is no evidence of an abduction and family members continue to fly in from across the country for support.

More: http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2809-volunteers_missing_boy.85a06217.html

SleuthyMama
07-28-2009, 02:03 PM
I missed something...is this aunt (family spokesperson) the sister of the mother or the father?

nursebeeme
07-28-2009, 02:38 PM
"It's tough. It really is tough, this is very difficult to go through as a family," said Trish Burrill, who is Robert's aunt.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/idaho/stories/NW_072809IDN-missing-boy-search-LJ.85a8d8e9.html

UnderDog
07-28-2009, 02:50 PM
Registered Sex Offenders:

Officers are continuing to interview registered sex offenders in the area of Robert’s disappearance.

http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page45017.aspx

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 02:53 PM
Search for missing boy: More than 100 registered sex offenders have been interviewed

Boise police are working Tuesday to recreate a detailed timeline of what Robert Manwill did on Friday — the day the 8-year-old disappeared and sparked a more than three-day intensive search in his neighborhood around south Vista Boulevard in Southwest Boise.

Police now say the boy was last seen wearing a faded blue T-short with a Superman logo, blue jeans and dark tennis shoes. He went missing from a playground at his mother's apartment complex near the intersection of Vista and Targee Street — about half a mile from Interstate 84 and even closer to the New York Canal.

Police, FBI agents and more than 100 volunteers have scoured the neighborhood, looking for nooks and crannies where the boy may have hid — including tiny places where a small boy could tuck himself.

[snip]

Robert lives with his father in New Plymouth, but was visiting his mother and her family Friday, police said.

More: http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/848190.html

Lunar1121
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
Going back to the father of the 8 month old there is a sealed case for Baby Boy Ehrlick in 2005. What does that mean? That the child wasn't even named? And that is not the 8 month old because that happened in 2008?

Ok, wait wait wait ... that sealed case can't be for the 8 month old, 2005 was years ago! It is obvious that this baby with the sealed record died before given a name ... now, WHY is this a sealed record and HOW did he die? We are pretty darn sure that this "baby boy" and the 8 month old have the same father (question, he was 8 months old at the time of the incident right ... not now?) because of the last name. Are there any records of wierd medical visits for Robert since Ehrlick came into the picture?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 03:01 PM
Ok, wait wait wait ... that sealed case can't be for the 8 month old, 2005 was years ago! It is obvious that this baby with the sealed record died before given a name ... now, WHY is this a sealed record and HOW did he die? We are pretty darn sure that this "baby boy" and the 8 month old have the same father (question, he was 8 months old at the time of the incident right ... not now?) because of the last name. Are there any records of wierd medical visits for Robert since Ehrlick came into the picture?

That's what impatient was saying. It can't be the same child.

I don't think it is "obvious" that the boy died before being given a name. I don't even think it's obvious that this child is dead. It's possible, yes, of course. But, they could have concealed the name to protect the child if the case was that of abuse, esp. sexual abuse. Because it's sealed, we really don't know anything other than it being a case of Mr. Ehrlick and a young male child.

nursebeeme
07-28-2009, 03:06 PM
Police have set up a dedicated tip line and e-mail address: 208-570-6457 and findrobert@cityofboise.org.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/848190.html

darlin gal
07-28-2009, 03:09 PM
The sealed case is more than likely the actual abuse case, with a typo in the date. jmo

Lunar1121
07-28-2009, 03:22 PM
That's what impatient was saying. It can't be the same child.

I don't think it is "obvious" that the boy died before being given a name. I don't even think it's obvious that this child is dead. It's possible, yes, of course. But, they could have concealed the name to protect the child if the case was that of abuse, esp. sexual abuse. Because it's sealed, we really don't know anything other than it being a case of Mr. Ehrlick and a young male child.

Oh yes I was agreeing with impatient, sorry if it seemed otherwise. :waitasec: Hmmmm, I jumped to conclusions on the other things ... darn it. Sorry again, I have been following some other cases today and working too and then saw that post and was taken back! SORRY GUYS! :rolleyes:

I am so used to a child that dies being called "baby boy or girl" for a while, if not forever. So, I guess even though records are sealed they sometimes take extra precautions and don't state the name either? Wish we could find out more on that file but I know it isn't to be.

I PRAY YOU COME HOME SAFE AND SOUND ROBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 04:18 PM
Is anyone good at finding marriage records? Just wondering, since Robert's mom was married to Charles Manwill, but now her last name is Jenkins...I'm just curious if Jenkins is a new married name, or if it's a maiden name. If it's a new married name, Ehlrick probably isn't the current boyfriend.

Boyz_Mum
07-28-2009, 04:35 PM
I missed something...is this aunt (family spokesperson) the sister of the mother or the father?

I don't know if this has been answered or not?

When looking at veromi.net, the mom's name brings up and associate named Trish Jenkins, I am wondering if the family spokesperson is Melissa's sister? And wondering if Jenkins is the maiden name?

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 04:50 PM
Is anyone good at finding marriage records? Just wondering, since Robert's mom was married to Charles Manwill, but now her last name is Jenkins...I'm just curious if Jenkins is a new married name, or if it's a maiden name. If it's a new married name, Ehlrick probably isn't the current boyfriend.

I think it is the maiden name, I think I found her parents when looking for records, but let me verify that by going through my history for today.

Shelby77
07-28-2009, 05:00 PM
Is anyone good at finding marriage records? Just wondering, since Robert's mom was married to Charles Manwill, but now her last name is Jenkins...I'm just curious if Jenkins is a new married name, or if it's a maiden name. If it's a new married name, Ehlrick probably isn't the current boyfriend.

Started looking last night, will try again tonight...but I was thinking, since she has also been referenced as Melissa Scott Jenkins, that maybe Scott is her maiden name, and Jenkins is a new married name..idk, just a thought..
Scott is kind of an unusual middle name for a female...

Boyz_Mum
07-28-2009, 05:10 PM
Started looking last night, will try again tonight...but I was thinking, since she has also been referenced as Melissa Scott Jenkins, that maybe Scott is her maiden name, and Jenkins is a new married name..idk, just a thought..
Scott is kind of an unusual middle name for a female...

On veromi.net, they have a listing for Melissa Scott (middle name) Jenkins, with Meridian and Boise as locations, most of the associated last names are Jenkins. I used Melissa Scott as a search term (first and last name) and none showed "Jenkins" as an associated name.

"Scott" is an unusual middle name for a female.

If you find anything would you let us know?

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 05:11 PM
The sealed case is more than likely the actual abuse case, with a typo in the date. jmo

It is possible that it is a typo but the records come up in chronological order and this one seems to be a 2005. Hopefully it is a typo because otherwise this guy has been associated with a baby boy file in 05 and a fractured skull-fostercare file in 08. And if he is the current boyfriend a missing boy in 09.

Boyz_Mum
07-28-2009, 05:21 PM
It is possible that it is a typo but the records come up in chronological order and this one seems to be a 2005. Hopefully it is a typo because otherwise this guy has been associated with a baby boy file in 05 and a fractured skull-fostercare file in 08. And if he is the current boyfriend a missing boy in 09.

The thought of that really makes your stomach hurt, doesn't it? :(

Praying that Robert is safe and found soon.

Shelby77
07-28-2009, 05:25 PM
On veromi.net, they have a listing for Melissa Scott (middle name) Jenkins, with Meridian and Boise as locations, most of the associated last names are Jenkins. I used Melissa Scott as a search term (first and last name) and none showed "Jenkins" as an associated name.

"Scott" is an unusual middle name for a female.

If you find anything would you let us know?


Yes, I'll definitely share, if I find anything :)
Pipl has a listing for a Melissa Scott Manwill and Charles Manwill, so Scott seems to be pretty consistent..

darlin gal
07-28-2009, 05:25 PM
It is possible that it is a typo but the records come up in chronological order and this one seems to be a 2005. Hopefully it is a typo because otherwise this guy has been associated with a baby boy file in 05 and a fractured skull-fostercare file in 08. And if he is the current boyfriend a missing boy in 09.


I agree.




I came up with this on Melissa.
1 Cases Found. Melissa Scott Seiber vs. Frank Ross Seiber Case: CV-DR-2006-02209 Magistrate Filed: 02/08/2006 Subtype: Domestic Relations Judge: Terry McDaniel Status: Closed 03/20/2006 Defendants: Seiber, Frank Ross Plaintiffs: Seiber, Melissa Scott Disposition: Date Judgment Type Disposition Date Disposition Type Parties In Favor Of 03/20/2006 Divorce

Seiber, Frank Ross (Defendant), Seiber, Melissa Scott (Plaintiff) Unknown Register of actions: Date 02/08/2006 New Case Filed - Domestic Relations 02/08/2006 Complaint Filed for Divorce 02/08/2006 Summons Filed 02/08/2006 Joint Tro Property 02/08/2006 Acknowledgment Of Service 2/8/06 03/20/2006 Default 03/20/2006 Decree of Divorce 03/20/2006 Civil Disposition entered for: Seiber, Frank Ross, Defendant; Seiber, Melissa Scott, Plaintiff. order date: 3/20/2006

Shelby77
07-28-2009, 05:29 PM
Found a Melissa Scott born in Pocatello ID on 2/13/79. Does anybody know her DOB?

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 05:41 PM
Yes, I'll definitely share, if I find anything :)
Pipl has a listing for a Melissa Scott Manwill and Charles Manwill, so Scott seems to be pretty consistent..

Charles Manwill's records show him divorcing and having custody hearings with Melissa Colleen Manwill with a 1976 birthdate instead of the 1979 listed with all the Melissa Scott Jenkin's entries.

Melissa Scott Jenkins comes up with a phone number in St Anthony ID, same number listed for Robin Jenkins. The address comes up as a home for sale. But the news reports say he dissappeared from an apartment much closer to Boise. Myspace has a listing for someone spelling it Robbyn and claiming to be a cousin of Robert (set as private), this Robbyn posts on Joe Jenkins myspace page.

My guess is that Jenkins is her maiden name and these are her extended family members.

Shelby77
07-28-2009, 06:28 PM
Charles Manwill's records show him divorcing and having custody hearings with Melissa Colleen Manwill with a 1976 birthdate instead of the 1979 listed with all the Melissa Scott Jenkin's entries.

Melissa Scott Jenkins comes up with a phone number in St Anthony ID, same number listed for Robin Jenkins. The address comes up as a home for sale. But the news reports say he dissappeared from an apartment much closer to Boise. Myspace has a listing for someone spelling it Robbyn and claiming to be a cousin of Robert (set as private), this Robbyn posts on Joe Jenkins myspace page.

My guess is that Jenkins is her maiden name and these are her extended family members.


I found a Melissa M Jenkins, age 49 in St Anthony ID, that is connected to a Robin E Jenkins, so I'm not sure that's her.

I did find a MSJ in Meridian ID and Elko, NV, age 30 connected to :
K Dorien J
Daphney J
Trish Dee J
Kathryn J
Jeff J

but I'm not sure that's her either..

Busylady
07-28-2009, 06:29 PM
If you type in just Ehrlick in find friend on myspace then narrow down to Idaho, Robbyn shows up and looks like Robbyn may have an additional myspace under blitzed where she references her cousin missing

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 06:37 PM
If you type in just Ehrlick in find friend on myspace then narrow down to Idaho, Robbyn shows up and looks like Robbyn may have an additional myspace under blitzed where she references her cousin missing

Interesting!

So Robbyn who claims to be Robert's cousin is an Ehrlick?
That would lean towards Ehrlick still being involved as Melissa's man?
Ehrlick is without a doubt identified by the courts as the father of the 8 month old with the skull fracture. Then there is the baby boy Ehrlick from 2005, same county, records sealed.

So Melissa Jenkins in St. Anthony is a different Melissa Jenkins, and Robin Jenkins is not the Robbyn posting on myspace. That makes sense because the distance is wrong and the house that is for sale is really pretty cute and based on all the collections, evictions, and civil claims bouncing around this group seemed completely out of place.

UnderDog
07-28-2009, 06:39 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ben123456789012345678

Comment with Robert Manwill icon (in friend's comments)

Ben is the MySpace name.

Boyz_Mum
07-28-2009, 06:45 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ben123456789012345678

Comment with Robert Manwill icon (in friend's comments)

Ben is the MySpace name.

I couldn't pull up the myspace- it has the main page, with images deleted. I'm not sure if I'm not allowed to view because I am not a myspace member? I could be doing something wrong, not too good at figuring out myspace.

impatientredhead
07-28-2009, 07:18 PM
I couldn't pull up the myspace- it has the main page, with images deleted. I'm not sure if I'm not allowed to view because I am not a myspace member? I could be doing something wrong, not too good at figuring out myspace.

It does have several deleted images but the page is still live.

DollyPardonMe
07-28-2009, 07:20 PM
This is from the archives of The Idaho Statesman newspaper..Sorry if it has already been posted.

Boise mom arrested after son's head injury
March 5, 2009 •• 70 words •• ID: 0305-local-1
Melissa S. Jenkins, 29, turned herself in at the Ada County Jail Tuesday, hours after a warrant was issued for her arrest on a charge of felony injury to child. Jenkins' 8-month-old son suffered a fractured skull in October and is in the custody of the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare, Boise police reports. The child was taken to the hospital one day after he was injured, police said.

Shelby77
07-28-2009, 07:24 PM
Who is the Brittany W. who posted the pic comment on MJ's MS that says
"You are so beautiful mom. i love you."

Anybody figured that one out yet??? :confused:

Boyz_Mum
07-28-2009, 07:30 PM
It does have several deleted images but the page is still live.

Thanks! I'll try looking again and navigate better! :blowkiss:

DollyPardonMe
07-28-2009, 07:48 PM
Who is the Brittany W. who posted the pic comment on MJ's MS that says
"You are so beautiful mom. i love you."

Anybody figured that one out yet??? :confused:

Well, I think Brittany is too old to be MJ's daughter. If you look under heroes Brittany says her mother is her hero and there is an older woman so that must be her mother. She talks about her brother going through alot and that could be Ken Manwill, who says Robert is his little brother. Roberts MS is listed on page 2 of this thread. They could be step-brothers/sister. Now, this is only my opinion. So confusing!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 08:00 PM
Finally, another photo of Robert. From: http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/848190.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/848190.html)

http://media.idahostatesman.com/smedia/2009/07/28/15/226-IMG_0086.embedded.prod_affiliate.36.jpg

And this one is almost the same as the original, but more clear:

http://media.idahostatesman.com/smedia/2009/07/28/15/478-IMG_0158.embedded.prod_affiliate.36.JPG

Shelby77
07-28-2009, 08:28 PM
Well, I think Brittany is too old to be MJ's daughter. If you look under heroes Brittany says her mother is her hero and there is an older woman so that must be her mother. She talks about her brother going through alot and that could be Ken Manwill, who says Robert is his little brother. Roberts MS is listed on page 2 of this thread. They could be step-brothers/sister. Now, this is only my opinion. So confusing!


Oh, I agree!! She can't be her mom, but why the comment? Her mom is on her friends list. Well a woman who calls her daughter is anyway lol..
I just don't get the connection yet :confused:

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 08:58 PM
A girl that I went to high school with used to call my mom, "Mom Karen", even though we had no relation. Could be something as simple as that.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Search and rescue scans I-84 for missing Boise boy

They'll go wherever and whenever they're needed.

On Tuesday, Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue teams were deployed to the dangerous sidelines along the I-84 to search for missing eight-year-old Robert Manwill.

Jerry Newland, president of Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue, says it's the behind the scenes work that allows his crews to get out in the field and dig for clues.

"They're searching the sides of the roadways along the Interstate, where Boise Police didn't want people out in the untrained area," Newland said.

More: http://www.2news.tv/news/51941952.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 12:14 AM
Search for missing Boise boy, Robert Manwill, will continue Wednesday

Boise police say they will resume their grid search for missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill Wednesday.

The family, through Robert's aunt, Trish Burrill, called for continued community support in the search.

"Anyone who has Robert in their heart is invited to wear a green ribbon upside down until Robert is found," she said.

More: http://www.idahostatesman.com/boise/story/848190.html

mysticrose
07-29-2009, 01:16 AM
Sorry if this has been posted:

Day Four of Robert Manwill Search Comes Up Empty


Detectives have no suspects or people of interest in 8 year-old Robert Manwill's disappearance. The announcement came at a press conference late Tuesday night.

Earlier Tuesday volunteers picked up where they left of Monday in the search. Police are now following more than 100 leads in the disappearance, some they consider very strong. "We remain hopeful at this time that we're going to find Robert," Deputy Chief Jim Kerns said.

Tuesday was the fourth day of the search; Robert went missing from his family's apartment complex late Friday night. "This is the most important investigation we have had in a long time", says Police Chief Michael Masterson Monday.

Police along with over one hundred volunteers have searched the neighborhood every day expanding the perimeter by a half mile each day. Tuesday that perimeter was expanded to a mile and half. "This little boy deserves every bit of help he can get," one volunteer said Tuesday. Another added that they haven't given up hope "I think there are a lot of us that continue to have hope. That we'll find him safely and hope to bring him home."

Monday crews drained a pond near the boy's apartment and searched by air, but came up with no signs of the 8-year-old. They've also interviewed family, friends and residents in the apartment complex several times as they try to narrow down a possible timeline. Tuesday investigators updated Robert's description the night he went missing. They now say he was wearing a faded blue superman logo t-shirt, blue jeans, and dark tennis shoes.

They're also asking the public for more help. "Please check areas around your home the sheds garages, abandoned vehicles any place were a little boy might hide," Kerns said at an evening media briefing Monday.

Investigators have also questioned more than 100 registered sex offenders with in a two mile radius of the home.

Police are calling Robert an endangered Missing child, but have not said he was abducted. "We are not ready to say that Robert was abducted we don't not have any indication that Robert was abducted", Kerns said early Monday.

In the meantime family members still holding out hope Robert will be found safe and sound.

"This is Robert's bear that has always been close to his heart and our family would love to reunite them together," Robert's Aunt Tricia Burrill said Tuesday night

http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10790517&nav=menu536_9_7_1

not_my_kids
07-29-2009, 01:50 AM
Myspace for cousin with dad's last name.

http://www.myspace.com/450958397

Sorry if it's already here.

daisy7
07-29-2009, 06:50 AM
Trail of tragedy follows family of missing 8-year-old
In the hunt for Robert Manwill, an anguished family legacy emerges.

On the fifth day of an exhaustive search for a missing Boise boy, court documents revealed a family tale of abuse, tragedy and more.

Robert Manwill's mother is on probation for fracturing the skull of Robert's infant half brother, a boy the state removed from her custody.

Robert's mother's boyfriend has been convicted of burglary, battery and possession of drug paraphernalia, and is banned by the courts from being alone with Robert's half sister.

Robert's father, meanwhile, has already lost a son. In 1993, his first wife stabbed their 4-year-old boy in the chest. She spent 10 years in a federal prison after pleading guilty to voluntary manslaughter.

Boise police won't talk about the family or the details contained in the court documents.

The family has declined to comment except for brief statements by Robert's aunt. But police have repeatedly said they have no suspect - or even evidence to believe there is one - in Robert's Friday night disappearance at the mother's Boise Bench apartment, and have no evidence of any foul play.

"We've had questions from the media ... who we have talked to,what can we say about certain people," Boise police Deputy Chief Jim Kerns said Tuesday. "It's the very nature of police investigations that until the case is concluded - in this case, until we find Robert - specifics and details of this very active priority investigation cannot be released."

(snipped)

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/848900.html

Boyz_Mum
07-29-2009, 07:59 AM
Thank you for that article Daisy7.

It breaks my heart to have read all that information about the family. I'm very afraid for Robert. If mom's boyfriend wasn't allowed to be alone with the daughter, why would he be safe for Robert to be left home with (if that part of the original story was true?)

Lucid
07-29-2009, 08:43 AM
Ouch, I can't believe the first wife killed the father's first child. Only 10 years for that?

Wouldn't it be crazy if she was responsible for Robert's disappearance? A fit of jealousy, perhaps?

His mother and stepfather worry me.

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 10:32 AM
Based on the criminal history for the boyfriend it is indeed Ehrlick, the father of the eight month old with the fractured skull. Which of course leads me back to Baby Boy Ehrlick of 2005? And why can't he be alone with the daughter? If any of the reporters are reading on here what is the 2005 story?

SleuthyMama
07-29-2009, 11:21 AM
Wow. Daisy's link has unveiled some very sad and sordid info on this family. And it sure don't make me feel any better about where Robert may be.

Let me get one thing straight though...does this mean that Robert's mom and stepdad have 2 children together? The baby boy w/ the fractured skull and a little girl?

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 11:58 AM
Going back to the father of the 8 month old there is a sealed case for Baby Boy Ehrlick in 2005. What does that mean? That the child wasn't even named? And that is not the 8 month old because that happened in 2008?

Would someone answer a question for me? What would be some reasons a case would be sealed?

I thought records were sealed if a perp was a minor. Are there other instances you can think of?

I'm not sure. But what it brings to mind is that something may have happened to this baby boy before he was born, or before he had a chance to be named. From this, can we assume the father of the 8-month-old's last name is Ehrlick?

Ok, wait wait wait ... that sealed case can't be for the 8 month old, 2005 was years ago! It is obvious that this baby with the sealed record died before given a name ... now, WHY is this a sealed record and HOW did he die? We are pretty darn sure that this "baby boy" and the 8 month old have the same father (question, he was 8 months old at the time of the incident right ... not now?) because of the last name. Are there any records of wierd medical visits for Robert since Ehrlick came into the picture?

That's what impatient was saying. It can't be the same child.

I don't think it is "obvious" that the boy died before being given a name. I don't even think it's obvious that this child is dead. It's possible, yes, of course. But, they could have concealed the name to protect the child if the case was that of abuse, esp. sexual abuse. Because it's sealed, we really don't know anything other than it being a case of Mr. Ehrlick and a young male child.

Based on the criminal history for the boyfriend it is indeed Ehrlick, the father of the eight month old with the fractured skull. Which of course leads me back to Baby Boy Ehrlick of 2005? And why can't he be alone with the daughter? If any of the reporters are reading on here what is the 2005 story?

Maybe the 2005 baby boy was adopted out. JMO.

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 12:00 PM
Wow. Daisy's link has unveiled some very sad and sordid info on this family. And it sure don't make me feel any better about where Robert may be.

Let me get one thing straight though...does this mean that Robert's mom and stepdad have 2 children together? The baby boy w/ the fractured skull and a little girl?

The only references I can find refer to the little girl as a 2.5 year old half sister. There are no explanations of why he cannot be alone with her or who her father is that I can locate. The only things I can find referencing children would be the baby boy ehrlick of 2005, and the fractured skull in 2008 by Melissa (who admitted when she took the plea deal to willfully slamming the child's head on a surface and waiting a day to seek medical help). They put the 8 month old in fostercare at that time but there is no reference to the girl at that time. She must not have custody of her either and have limited visitation like she did with Robert. Several posters have stated she has the 8 month old back but I cannot find anything official to indicate that to be true.

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 12:08 PM
Using Daisy's post from page one the little girl is in her bio dad's custody with limited visitation by Melissa. The custody change is granted at the same time Robert's is changed, following the skull fracture incident.

SleuthyMama
07-29-2009, 12:20 PM
So the half sister is from a different father than the baby boy with the skull fracture? That's how I'm understanding it. I apologize if I'm just not getting it.

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 12:28 PM
So the half sister is from a different father than the baby boy with the skull fracture? That's how I'm understanding it. I apologize if I'm just not getting it.

Three bio dad's involved:

Charles Manwill for Robert Manwill
Raymond Sohms for little girl
Daniel Ehrlick Jr for Aidan Ehrlick (skull fracture)

Custody of the two younger children appear to be with the state.

daisy7
07-29-2009, 12:29 PM
Who is the R. Sohm that is mentioned in this child support case, which was filed in 2007? Is this for another child?

State of Idaho Dept. of Health and Welfare vs. Raymond Russell Sohm, etal.
Case: CV-SP-2007-03936 Magistrate Filed: 02/26/2007 Subtype: Support Proceedings Judge: Michael Reardon Status: Closed 03/10/2009
Defendants: Jenkins, Melissa Scott Sohm, Raymond Russell
Plaintiffs: State of Idaho Dept. of Health and Welfare
Disposition: Date Judgment Type Disposition Date Disposition Type Parties In Favor Of
03/14/2007 Child Support Sohm, Raymond Russell (Defendant), Jenkins, Melissa Scott (Defendant), State of Idaho Dept. of Health and Welfare (Plaintiff) Unknown
Comment: Judgment and Order for Child Support and Medicaid Reimbursement
05/13/2008 Child Custody Sohm, Raymond Russell (Defendant), Jenkins, Melissa Scott (Defendant), State of Idaho Dept. of Health and Welfare (Plaintiff) Unknown
03/10/2009 Child Support Sohm, Raymond Russell (Defendant), Jenkins, Melissa Scott (Defendant), State of Idaho Dept. of Health and Welfare (Plaintiff) Unknown

https://www.idcourts.us/repository/caseHistory.do?roaDetail=yes&schema=ADA&county=Ada&partySeq=374637&displayName=Jenkins%2C+Melissa+Scott

I don't know if the link will work. If not, just do a search for MJ with a middle name of Scott.

daisy7
07-29-2009, 12:31 PM
Three bio dad's involved:

Charles Manwill for Robert Manwill
Raymond Sohms for little girl
Daniel Ehrlick Jr for Aidan Ehrlick (skull fracture)

Charles and Raymond have custody of their children with Melissa having limited visitation. The state took custody of Aidan.

Thanks, just read your post after I posted about Sohms.

Salem
07-29-2009, 12:34 PM
July 27, 2009
Prime News

YouTube - Prime News 7/27/09 Robert Manwill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlteLWBGrdk)


Patty - thank you so much for this! The Prime News guy (Mike?) sure did ask a lot of questions of the reporter, didn't he?! I was impressed with that. Next time the reporter will make sure she has her stuff down :clap: She did okay, but you could see some hesitation in her answers because she wasn't expecting the questions.

So - a non-family member supposedly saw Robert leaving his apartment at 9:30 p.m.

Is this non-family member a friend of either mom or step-dad? There was no confirmation of the original party story. I found that interesting.

Salem

Salem
07-29-2009, 12:54 PM
One of her Top Friends is 18 years old and claims to be Roberts big brother. He has posted that his little brother is missing..How sad...

http://www.myspace.com/kenmanwill

This young man says his mood is "mental breakdown." His page seems to say he has a very heavy heart, just in general and Robby's missing is apparently adding to that.

His last comment says "he is going to piss someone off, but he doesn't care anymore, he just hopes his little brother is found."

If anyone has a myspace account and is comfortable with it- it might be nice to let the ShadowStalker know that everyone is looking for Robby, doing the right thing, is the right thing to do, and there are many of us sending Robby's family prayers and support. I would do it, his page makes me sad, but I don't have myspace :confused:

Salem

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 01:06 PM
I sent him a message, Salem. I'll let you all know if he replies.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 01:07 PM
Searchers Scour For Missing Boy

It is day five in the search for a missing eight-year-old boy and there is still no sign of him.

http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10810025

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 01:09 PM
Nothing we didn't know. Just another article about it.

Mom of missing Boise boy on probation

The mother of a boy missing since Friday is on probation for fracturing the skull of the boy's infant half brother, who was removed from her custody by the state.

http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10811633

Shelby77
07-29-2009, 01:10 PM
Three bio dad's involved:

Charles Manwill for Robert Manwill
Raymond Sohms for little girl
Daniel Ehrlick Jr for Aidan Ehrlick (skull fracture)

Charles and Raymond have custody of their children with Melissa having limited visitation. The state took custody of Aidan.


I'll have to look again as I'm at work right now, but didn't I see in the court docs where both MJ and Raymond Sohms were defendants in a child support case with the state being the plaintiff? That would tell me that neither of the parents have custody of that child. I'd like to know what happened there too, if IIRC that is...
Will go check as soon as I get a chance!

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 01:16 PM
I apologize if these articles have been posted. I haven't finished reading the threads on this case. I pray that this little one is found safe & sound. Too many days are going by with him still missing...as well as with Lindsey Baum. I also hope that both of these case get more & more media attention, time is of essence in any missing case.

Trail of tragedy follows family of missing 8-year-old Boise boy
In the hunt for Robert Manwill, an anguished family legacy emerges.
Published: 07/29/09
<snipped>
On the fifth day of an exhaustive search for a missing Boise boy, court documents revealed a family tale of abuse, tragedy and more.

Robert Manwill's mother is on probation for fracturing the skull of Robert's infant half brother, a boy the state removed from her custody.

Robert's mother's boyfriend has been convicted of burglary, battery and possession of drug paraphernalia, and is banned by the courts from being alone with Robert's half sister.

Robert's father, meanwhile, has already lost a son. In 1993, his first wife stabbed their 4-year-old boy in the chest. She spent 10 years in a federal prison after pleading guilty to voluntary manslaughter.

Boise police won't talk about the family or the details contained in the court documents.

Police say the family is cooperating fully.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ROBERT'S MOM:
Melissa Scott Jenkins pleaded guilty in March to a misdemeanor charge of injury to a child, after an October 2008 incident that left her infant son with a fractured skull.

According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years.

In February, at least, the child was still in the care of the state Department of Health and Welfare, court documents said.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HER BOYFRIEND:
Daniel Edward Ehrlick - Jenkins' boyfriend and the father of her infant son - has served time in Idaho prisons and faced multiple charges.

An April 2008 court document outlining Jenkins' visitation rights with her 2 1/2-year-old daughter states that the girl shall never be left "alone with Danny Ehrlick." The document does not say why.

Ehrlick, too, attended press conferences with the family.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ROBERT'S DAD:
Robert Manwill's father, Charles Manwill, has had custody of the boy since January 2008, according to court records.

The records show Jenkins was admitted to the hospital that month for early pregnancy complications and was unable to care for Robert, who has lived with his dad in New Plymouth ever since. Jenkins has visitation rights, and the boy was visiting her the night he disappeared.

Almost 15 years earlier, Manwill was an officer at Fort Polk Military Base in Louisiana, in his early 20s and married to a woman named Silke Fatma Manwill.

In November 1993, according to federal court documents and Louisiana newspaper reports, Silke Manwill "upon sudden quarrel and in the heat of passion" stabbed their 4-year-old son, Michael, in the chest.

She was charged with first-degree murder; that charge was dropped when she pleaded guilty to voluntary
manslaughter.

She served 10 years in federal prison and was released in 2002, federal documents show. Her sentence included five more years of supervised release.

Video: Latest news conference about the search for Robert Manwill
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/Multimedia/DepartmentVideos/LatestManwillPresserV1.wmv

Article:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/848900.html

:angel:

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 01:21 PM
I'll have to look again as I'm at work right now, but didn't I see in the court docs where both MJ and Raymond Sohms were defendants in a child support case with the state being the plaintiff? That would tell me that neither of the parents have custody of that child. I'd like to know what happened there too, if IIRC that is...
Will go check as soon as I get a chance!

You are correct.
I will fix my original post to minimize confusion.

Sohm's had a case go all the way to the Idaho Supreme Court where his felony domestic battery was overturned because the jury instructions included the word "willingly".

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 01:24 PM
TIMELINE: Where is Robert?
Robert Manwill was last seen Friday night near his mother's apartment on Cherry Lane off Vista Avenue.

Police officials said Tuesday they are working to map out what Robert did Friday before he disappeared. They are asking the public's help for any clues but have offered few details - like where he was seen last or if there is any evidence that the boy might have run away.

The family told police that the boy liked to sneak around and hide in small places. Police officials say Robert likely is still in the area but declined to say why they think so.

Initial reports indicated the boy was last seen at an apartment playground sometime between 7 and 9 p.m., but police officials could not say Tuesday whether that was accurate. The family reported the boy missing at 10:11 p.m., police said.

Police have received more than 100 tips from residents since Friday. More than 100 volunteers have been helping police and the FBI search. About 100 registered sex offenders living in the area have been interviewed.

Link:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/848900.html

:angel:

SleuthyMama
07-29-2009, 01:29 PM
From Angel's post above, am I the only one who thinks Robert's mom got off relatively easy for cracking her baby's skull?

BBM

"According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years."

She was fined $75.50? Why does that just seem absurd?

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 01:30 PM
UPDATED: Police believe missing boy is still in the Boise area
Story Created: Jul 28, 2009 at 7:05 PM MDT
Story Updated: Jul 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM MDT
<snipped>
Jerry Newland, president of Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue, says it's the behind the scenes work that allows his crews to get out in the field and dig for clues.

"They're searching the sides of the roadways along the Interstate, where Boise Police didn't want people out in the untrained area," Newland said.

The search and rescue teams are all volunteers with expert training in large scale operations like the search for Robert.

Boise Police say currently they have 10 officers devoted entirely to the volunteer search efforts. Right now there are more than 120 volunteers helping look for Robert.

Robert's family is urging people to wear green bows upside down on their clothing until he comes home. People are encouraged to stop by the volunteer center off Vista on Targee to pick up the bows.

VIDEO: Police Believe Missing Boy Is Still In The Boise Area
Boise Police say they're investigating more than 100 leads into 8-year-old Robert Manwill's disappearance. During a press conference held Tuesday night police say there is no evidence to indicate Manwill is not in the Boise area.
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51941952.html?video=YHI&t=a

VIDEO: Deputy chief: 'We have a single focus - to find Robert'
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51696977.html?video=YHI&t=a

•ISP outlines AMBER alert criteria
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51816107.html

Article:
http://www.2news.tv/news/51941952.html

:angel:

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 01:31 PM
From Angel's post above, am I the only one who thinks Robert's mom got off relatively easy for cracking her baby's skull?

BBM

"According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years."

She was fined $75.50? Why does that just seem absurd?

I think we're all pretty much of the same opinion that she got off WAY too easily. Rediculous, actually.

But now I'm kind of interested in Charles Manwill's first wife. I wonder if she is still in the area. She killed his first son...

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 01:31 PM
From Angel's post above, am I the only one who thinks Robert's mom got off relatively easy for cracking her baby's skull?

BBM

"According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years."

She was fined $75.50? Why does that just seem absurd?

Yes!!! And I am embarrassed that I live here in regards to that situation. The system failed another child.

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 01:33 PM
I think we're all pretty much of the same opinion that she got off WAY too easily. Rediculous, actually.

But now I'm kind of interested in Charles Manwill's first wife. I wonder if she is still in the area. She killed his first son...

They lived in Louisiana when that happened, right?

Almost 15 years earlier, Manwill was an officer at Fort Polk Military Base in Louisiana, in his early 20s and married to a woman named Silke Fatma Manwill.

In November 1993, according to federal court documents and Louisiana newspaper reports, Silke Manwill "upon sudden quarrel and in the heat of passion" stabbed their 4-year-old son, Michael, in the chest.

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 01:34 PM
Published on January 12, 1994, The Advocate (Baton Rouge, La.) Soldier's wife faces charge in stabbing
FORT POLK - A soldier's wife has been arrested and accused of murdering her 4-year-old son. Silke Manwill, 23, was arrested Monday. Her son, Michael, was stabbed in the heart Nov. 8. The father of the boy, Cpl. Charles D. Manwill, was away on duty assignment at the time of the slaying. Silke Manwill was jailed in Lake Charles.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 01:37 PM
They lived in Louisiana when that happened, right?

You're right. Looks like they did.

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 01:39 PM
Inmate Locator - Locate Federal inmates from 1982 to present

Name Register # Age-Race-Sex Release Date
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/images/release_date_caption.gif Location 1. SILKE FATMA MANWILL 08546-035 39-White-F 09-26-2002 RELEASED
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/images/spacer.gif Results 1 - 1 of 1

darlin gal
07-29-2009, 01:40 PM
From Angel's post above, am I the only one who thinks Robert's mom got off relatively easy for cracking her baby's skull?

BBM

"According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years."

She was fined $75.50? Why does that just seem absurd?

I agree! She pleaded it down from a felony charge. (which has an up to 10
year in jail sentence)

My son, when he was 17 was the designated driver and taking his friends home from a party one night. He doesn't drink but likes to make sure his friends that do, get home ok. He is pulled over and he didn't know it but his friend had an open bottle tucked in his jacket.

Because my son was the driver, he also got charged with "open container."

We contacted a lawyer and he said that open container is a hard one to fight because their is little to "plead down" to. It's a traffic ticket but because of the under 21 laws in IL, it's not just a simple fine for young people. He said he would represent my son but odds are my son would still be found "guilty", even without drinking or having knowledge of the booze being in the car. He wanted a three grand retainer. My son wound up choosing the public defender. LOL

He got a $2500 fine that included court costs, lost his license for 3 months, 1 year of court supervision and had to attend 3 months of outpatient "treatment". (which cost him a pretty penny)


She beats an infants head against a table, causes a skull fracture and gets 29 days work release, $75 buck fine and two years probation.


Our court system sucks.
:mad::mad:

Salem
07-29-2009, 01:52 PM
I sent him a message, Salem. I'll let you all know if he replies.

Thanks Idaho! He sure sounded like he could use a little support. It's heartbreaking. All the info about the family, especially mom and boyfriend is plain scary. Sadly, I don't think little Robby went anywhere, under his own steam. Poor baby.

I have to wonder if Dad had already lost a son to a crazy lunatic, why, oh why would he have not DEMANDED supervised visits when Robby went to visit his mother? The woman is scary and her boyfriend is scary - WHY was Robby allowed to visit with them? :furious::furious::furious::behindbar:behindbar

Salem

mysticrose
07-29-2009, 02:03 PM
From Angel's post above, am I the only one who thinks Robert's mom got off relatively easy for cracking her baby's skull?

BBM

"According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years."

She was fined $75.50? Why does that just seem absurd?


She got off way to easy, I know people who have got more time then that for having no insurance on their auto. This is absurd !!!
What kind of statement that puts out to people is hirendous ! Its like saying "its ok to beat your baby" we'll just slap you on the wrist and send you on your way, oh and by the way we need $75.50 for our time."
Someone needs to fire the Judge that presided on this case along with whoever gave her the plea deal...WTH!

Salem
07-29-2009, 02:04 PM
I think sleuthing the ex-wife, Silke, is a good idea. She would have gotten off of probation in 2007. So.... where is she? Anywhere near Idaho?

I really think though, this investigation is going to lead us right back to mom & bf's apartment.

Salem

mysticrose
07-29-2009, 02:15 PM
Thanks Idaho! He sure sounded like he could use a little support. It's heartbreaking. All the info about the family, especially mom and boyfriend is plain scary. Sadly, I don't think little Robby went anywhere, under his own steam. Poor baby.

I have to wonder if Dad had already lost a son to a crazy lunatic, why, oh why would he have not DEMANDED supervised visits when Robby went to visit his mother? The woman is scary and her boyfriend is scary - WHY was Robby allowed to visit with them? :furious::furious::furious::behindbar:behindbar

Salem

Unfourtanetly it probally was not up to him but the Judge who ordered it ! I am so tired of the court system using the term " best interest of the child" loosely. They feel that a child best benefits from visitation between both parents and that both parents be involved. I went through a complete nightmare through the court system for upwards of 8 years w/ my son :mad:.
The parent or parents have to be total scum of the earth and proof that they will harm the child before any court will consider no rights...I am sorry.. I sure can not get started on this because I will get a TO....
I sure hope he is OK but it is not looking good so far with all this info on people surrounding this poor boy including the sex offenders...

mysticrose
07-29-2009, 02:31 PM
Silke F Manwill


View Details
39 Tacoma, WA (2)
Fort Lewis, WA (1)
Fort Polk, LA (1)
Leesville, LA (1)

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&qf=Silke&qmi=&qn=Manwill&qs=&trackit=74&focusfirst=1

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 02:35 PM
From Angel's post above, am I the only one who thinks Robert's mom got off relatively easy for cracking her baby's skull?

BBM

"According to court records, Jenkins "did willfully inflict" the wound "by striking the child's head on a surface, causing a fracture to the child's skull," on Oct. 19, 2008. She was sentenced to 29 days of work release, fined $75.50 and put on probation for two years."

She was fined $75.50? Why does that just seem absurd?

SleuthyMama I was furious when I saw that was all she got for causing a fracture to a child. I can hardly contain my anger that this is all she got for doing this. It's a disgrace....no wonder so many children end up murdered, missing, scarred for life...where is the protection from these evil monsters?


O/T: This is a bit of topic, but my niece who is now 24 when she was close to around 2yrs old.......had her skull fractured by a babysitter. This babysitter not only cause her a skull fracture, but she had shaken eyes syndrome, abrasions on her knees & elbows(like she dragged her across carpet)!!!:mad:
Her injuries were = to falling from a 3rd story building. :eek: This evil evil monster tried to say that my niece was sleeping on the couch & rolled off & that's when she noticed that her eyes were rolling back & losing consciousness. :shakehead:

To try & make this short for you all.
LE & detectives didn't charge her with anything at all! :furious: They said that because there were no witnesses in the home that they didn't have enough proof that she did this to my niece. Though my niece was at the age where she was able to tell us that the :curses: hurt her. She was in intensive care for weeks. LE said they knew she did this to her & ruled out that my sister or b-i-l had anything to with it. The babysitter when interviewed claimed that my niece was acting out of ordinary when my sister dropped her of that morning. :mad:

She was a new babysitter & that she was interviewed many times & all of her references checked by my sister & b-i-l. The onky choice they had was to sue her in a civil case which is still on going to this day.

This also somewhat explains why I'm so devoted to so many cases here ay WS's.
I want justice for every harmed child in the world.

Sorry for the vent all!

:angel:

darlin gal
07-29-2009, 02:40 PM
I don't know if Astrology is working on Robert but her birthday is:
SILKE (http://www.birthdetails.com/records.php?fname=SILKE&lname=MANWILL&state=ID) MANWILL (http://www.birthdetails.com/records.php?fname=SILKE&lname=MANWILL&state=ID) 1970-02-27

SleuthyMama
07-29-2009, 02:48 PM
SleuthyMama I was furious when I saw that was all she got for causing a fracture to a child. I can hardly contain my anger that this is all she got for doing this. It's a disgrace....no wonder so many children end up murdered, missing, scarred for life...where is the protection from these evil monsters?


O/T: This is a bit of topic, but my niece who is now 24 when she was close to around 2yrs old.......had her skull fractured by a babysitter. This babysitter not only cause her a skull fracture, but she had shaken eyes syndrome, abrasions on her knees & elbows(like she dragged her across carpet)!!!:mad:
Her injuries were = to falling from a 3rd story building. :eek: This evil evil monster tried to say that my niece was sleeping on the couch & rolled off & that's when she noticed that her eyes were rolling back & losing consciousness. :shakehead:

To try & make this short for you all.
LE & detectives didn't charge her with anything at all! :furious: They said that because there were no witnesses in the home that they didn't have enough proof that she did this to my niece. Though my niece was at the age where she was able to tell us that the :curses: hurt her. She was in intensive care for weeks. LE said they knew she did this to her & ruled out that my sister or b-i-l had anything to with it. The babysitter when interviewed claimed that my niece was acting out of ordinary when my sister dropped her of that morning. :mad:

She was a new babysitter & that she was interviewed many times & all of her references checked by my sister & b-i-l. The onky choice they had was to sue her in a civil case which is still on going to this day.

This also somewhat explains why I'm so devoted to so many cases here ay WS's.
I want justice for every harmed child in the world.

Sorry for the vent all!

:angel:

OMG Angel, I am so sorry your niece was hurt like that! What a horrible thing for your family to STILL be dealing with. I hope your niece is doing well and has recovered fully from her injuries.

Salem
07-29-2009, 03:07 PM
Do we know Robby's birthday? and place of birth?

I will go look for his poster later - I have to run some errands.

Somedays I am surprised at how fast the time goes by while I am sitting here reading and looking for information UGGGG!

Salem

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 03:15 PM
Do we know Robby's birthday? and place of birth?

I will go look for his poster later - I have to run some errands.

Somedays I am surprised at how fast the time goes by while I am sitting here reading and looking for information UGGGG!

Salem

Robert's birthday is June 8, 2001.

Not sure about the place of birth.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 03:17 PM
Day Three Of Neighborhood Search

They may be strangers, but hundreds of volunteers are working towards one goal -- to find Robert Manwill.

This is the third day the community has swept the neighborhood. Despite the heat, and despite the possibility of finding something you would never want to find, hundreds of volunteers are still searching for this missing little boy.

http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/story.asp?S=10807615&nav=menu439_2

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 03:57 PM
I don't know if Astrology is working on Robert but her birthday is:
SILKE (http://www.birthdetails.com/records.php?fname=SILKE&lname=MANWILL&state=ID) MANWILL (http://www.birthdetails.com/records.php?fname=SILKE&lname=MANWILL&state=ID) 1970-02-27

darlin gal I'll check to see if they are working on this case. If they aren't I'll put in a request for Robert's case.
I'll give them all of the birthdates you all have found. With credit to those of course who found them all! :wink:

I'll check on it now....I'll also message them to ask if they can look at this case...not just submit a request for them. Our astrologers are truly amazing....I hope that someday LE starts to use forsenic astrolgy on all missing cases. They are all truly gifted & we should all be honored that they are a part of WS's.

O/T: Sleuthy Mama Thanks so much for your prayers. My niece still has damage to this day from the skull fracture....she has to be careful to not have her head hit in the same area....the bones never heal all of the way when someone has had a skull fracture. So far she hasn't had any other lasting problems, but still to this day has to see a neurologist every year to check for any problems. The DR's said that she could have problems anytime in the future from the fracture...they just don't know. She also had several brain bleeds & was in a coma the 1st few days after this happened to her.

The babysitter that had stopped watching her before the evil monster when this happened took her back to babysit her for my sister. We wanted things to be as normal as they could be before this happened. I felt so sorry for the orginal babysitter cause she to this day blames herself for stopping babysitting for her. We all tell her it wasn't her fault....it was the monsters fault not hers. My sis & b-i-l did everything one is to do before hiring a new babysitter & this still happened.

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 04:04 PM
Mom suspected of seriously injuring infant
Story Created: Mar 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM MDT
Story Updated: Mar 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM MDT
<snipped>
Boise Police says they were called to a local hospital in October on a suspicious injury to a child call. Investigators determined that on the previous day a child under the age of one at the time had been injured at a East Boise home.

Authorities say the boy received what appeared to be serious head injuries during the incident. The child was turned over to the custody of State Health and Welfare.

After a detailed investigation, detectives forwarded the case to the Ada County Prosecutor's office for review.

On Tuesday, Ada County deputies arrested the infant's mother, Melissa Jenkins, 29, for the felony injury to a child warrant.

Article:
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/40736317.html

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 04:06 PM
Dreamweaver Put in a request already today! Thanks Dreamweaver(By the way I love that song!:wink:) I'll bump it back up & add any other birthdates that have been added since the request was posted.

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 04:07 PM
Authorities are holding a press conference to update the community about missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill. Click the following link to watch it LIVE
http://www.2news.tv/home/ondemand/15768972.html

:angel:

UnderDog
07-29-2009, 04:25 PM
This case grabbed my attention because I have an 8 year old son and would be literally beside myself in anger, worry and despair if he went missing for 3 hours, let alone 3 days. The conflicting stories initially reported, about the "party" at 9:30 at night, really bother me. Not knowing exactly what he was wearing seems VERY odd considering he was under supervision and it was in the evening as well. The suggestion that he might be "hiding" somewhere is not comforting to me, it suggests he had reason to fear returning to the home. My first thought was that he may have tried to find his way back to his Dad's home, but leaving at night really doesn't make sense (even for an 8 year old). I would expect him to "sleep on his plan" and leave at daybreak. Even so, I was surprised the search area was kept to the immediate area (outside of interviews with SOs). The limited area suggests that LE has a predominant suspicion that excludes "runaway". From the minute I saw the first report, I had an awful feeling and it's only gotten worse. Just today, media outlets have begun reporting on the mother's criminal past.
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/52002477.html

impatientredhead
07-29-2009, 04:37 PM
ase: CV-DR-1995-01430 Magistrate Filed: 07/14/1995 Subtype: Domestic Relations Judge: Russell A. Comstock Status: Closed 12/04/1995 Defendants: Manwill, Silke Fatma Plaintiffs: Manwill, Charles Lee Register of actions: Date 07/14/1995 New Case Filed 07/14/1995 Divorce 07/14/1995 Summons Issued 07/14/1995 Order To Attend Parent Workshop (8/15/95) 08/16/1995 Case Status Report 09/28/1995 Proof Of Service 12/04/1995 Affidavit For Entry Of Default 12/04/1995 Order For Entry Of Default 12/04/1995 Default 12/04/1995 Default Judgment Entered At Hearing 12/04/1995 Judgment 12/04/1995 Certificate Of Mailing

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 04:45 PM
Police looking for up to 1,000 volunteers for massive search
Story Created: Jul 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM MDT
Story Updated: Jul 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM MDT
<snipped>
Authorities are asking the public's help this Friday in an orchestrated massive search for missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill.

Police said at a Wednesday afternoon press conference that they're seeking up to 1,000 volunteers for the search on Friday.

"This is a one day push," said Jim Kerns, Boise Police deputy chief. "The time is now for new volunteers."

Manwill has been missing now for five days. He was last seen on Friday.

"Robert is still missing," Kerns said. "(The effort to find him) is a tremendous committment to the citizens of this city."

The Friday search will be operated at three spots in Boise.

Search locations:


•South Jr. High - 805 Shoshone Street

•Garfield Elementary - 1914 S Broadway Avenue

•Boise Public Library - Hillcrest Branch - 5246 W Overland Road

Volunteer Criteria:


•Must be 18 years old (bring ID)

•No dogs or children

•Shifts are in three-hour blocks (9 a.m., noon, 3 p.m.)

•Bring water, sunscreen and good walking shoes.

Article:
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/52013247.html

I posted all the info on where to meet if there are any locals here at WS's that are wanting to help in the search on Friday. I wish this size of a search was right away....not Friday. Today...tomorrow, but why wait till Friday??? :confused:
I know it takes time to prepare a massive search, but the sooner the better.

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 04:49 PM
If anyone else has the birthdates for Robert's mom, her bf, or his father could you post them for me to add to the request in the astrology forum. Along with place of birth is needed for them to do more accurate charts too! TIA

I'm thinking Robert's birthplace might be Idaho, but not confirmed....just guessing on it right now.

I already gave them Silkie M's birthdate.

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 05:12 PM
Hundreds of volunteers sought for Manwill search
UPDATED: 02:35 PM MDT on Wednesday, July 29, 2009
<snipped>
The Boise Police Department is ready to mount a large-scale search for missing Robert Manwill, and is asking for a big push of community volunteers Friday.

Three 3-hour shifts are being set up - and officers are hoping 700-1,000 volunteers will turn out and help scour an area on the Boise Bench near where Manwill went missing.

"The Boise Police Department is asking for volunteers to help us in a one day push to find Robert," BPD Deputy Chief Jim Kerns said. "This will allow the BPD to put in place a massive strucuture to handle the... volunteers"

Kerns also says a better timeline is coming together regaurding Manwill's whereabouts, after more than 5,000 man hours and hundreds of volunteer hours.

Police continue to refuse to answer media questions - and it is unclear why crews are waiting until Friday for the large-scale effort.

VIDEO: Searching for clues in boy's disappearance
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=384308

VIDEO: Hundreds of volunteers resume search for missing boy
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=384228

VIDEO: "No good leads" in 8-year-old boy's disappearance
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=383884

Article:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/crime/stories/ktvbn-jul2909-manwill_search.8b5d3310.html
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Trail of tragedy follows family of missing 8-year-old Boise boy
In the hunt for Robert Manwill, an anguished family legacy emerges.
Published: 07/29/09
<snipped>
On the fifth day of an exhaustive search for a missing Boise boy, court documents revealed a family tale of abuse, tragedy and more.

Robert Manwill's mother is on probation for fracturing the skull of Robert's infant half brother, a boy the state removed from her custody.

Robert's mother's boyfriend has been convicted of burglary, battery and possession of drug paraphernalia, and is banned by the courts from being alone with Robert's half sister.

Robert's father, meanwhile, has already lost a son. In 1993, his first wife stabbed their 4-year-old boy in the chest. She spent 10 years in a federal prison after pleading guilty to voluntary manslaughter.

Boise police won't talk about the family or the details contained in the court documents.

Article:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/BOISE/story/848900.html

:angel:

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 05:20 PM
Police looking for up to 1,000 volunteers for massive search
Story Created: Jul 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM MDT
Story Updated: Jul 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM MDT
<snipped>
Authorities are asking the public's help this Friday in an orchestrated massive search for missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill.

Police said at a Wednesday afternoon press conference that they're seeking up to 1,000 volunteers for the search on Friday.

"This is a one day push," said Jim Kerns, Boise Police deputy chief. "The time is now for new volunteers."

Manwill has been missing now for five days. He was last seen on Friday.

"Robert is still missing," Kerns said. "(The effort to find him) is a tremendous committment to the citizens of this city."

The Friday search will be operated at three spots in Boise.

Search locations:


•South Jr. High - 805 Shoshone Street

•Garfield Elementary - 1914 S Broadway Avenue

•Boise Public Library - Hillcrest Branch - 5246 W Overland Road

Volunteer Criteria:


•Must be 18 years old (bring ID)

•No dogs or children

•Shifts are in three-hour blocks (9 a.m., noon, 3 p.m.)

•Bring water, sunscreen and good walking shoes.

Article:
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/52013247.html

I posted all the info on where to meet if there are any locals here at WS's that are wanting to help in the search on Friday. I wish this size of a search was right away....not Friday. Today...tomorrow, but why wait till Friday??? :confused:
I know it takes time to prepare a massive search, but the sooner the better.

:angel:

I am going to try and go Friday morning. I leave for a family reunion out of town that evening. I will let WS know if I go.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 05:33 PM
Wish I could go help. It's only about a 6 hour drive, but I was just there last weekend and have family plans up north this weekend. I hope the search is a productive one. Hope you can make it Recovering-Lurker!

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 05:45 PM
FYI: Looks like Nancy Grace is covering Robert's case tonight! :clap: I really do hope it's not just 10 minutes at the end & all about MJ....I would like to see her give Lindsey Baum some national coverage too! She was brushed aside and forgotten about when MJ died the day after she went missing. :( I sent so many not so nice e-mails to her, along with Issues & PrimeTime news to get back to news coverage of the missing along with other real news in the world. Sorry for the vent! :wink:

Urgent: 8-year-old boy missing!
Breaking news -- A little 8-year-old Idaho boy disappears & mountain search & rescue crews fan out across rugged terrain, praying for a miracle. Robert Manwill believed to be last seen playing outside his apartment complex, now missing! Over 100 sex offenders have been interviewed, countless volunteers, police and now the FBI have joined the intensive search. Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments at 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
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VIDEO: Idaho 8 year old vanishes 1:58
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/07/29/ng.8yr.gone.cnn
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ISP Outlines AMBER Alert Criteria
Story Created: Jul 27, 2009 at 4:38 PM MDT
Story Updated: Jul 27, 2009 at 5:36 PM MDT
<snipped>
When 8-year-old Robert Manwill went missing Friday, Boise police officers requested an AMBER alert through Idaho State Police but the request was denied.

But Dawn Peck with The Idaho State Police says Boise investigators had no solid leads the child had indeed been abducted, a top requirement for an alert.

"Without any evidence of abduction, we could not proceed with an AMBER alert," said Peck.

According to the Department of Justice, AMBER plans require law enforcement to confirm an abduction prior to issuing an alert. This is essential when determining the level of risk to the child. Clearly, stranger abductions are the most dangerous for children and thus are primary to the mission of an AMBER Alert.

The Justice Department, on the AMBER website, says to allow activations in the absence of significant information that an abduction has occurred could lead to abuse of the system and ultimately weaken its effectiveness.

The main criteria for an AMBER alert are: reasonable belief by police an abduction has occurred, imminent danger of serious injury or death, sufficient description of the victim and abduction, the child is 17 years or younger and the name is entered into the national crime information center system.

VIDEO: ISP Outlines AMBER Alert Criteria
Boise police wanted to issue an AMBER alert when 8-year-old Robert Manwill went missing, but they were told the case did not meet the guidelines.
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51816107.html?video=YHI&t=a

Article:
http://www.2news.tv/news/local/51816107.html

:angel:

darlin gal
07-29-2009, 06:02 PM
Thanks AngelWhoCares, I will say a prayer for your niece tonight. I am glad she is doing well. :)

While I wish it was today too, I understand while they are not starting till Friday. It takes a while to put the logistics in place for such a massive search effort. Printing up grid maps, putting team leaders in place, finding a place to for everyone to meet, laying in supplies, coordinating donations, it's a massive undertaking.

I hope such a search effort will help bring this little guy home. I will be praying for all of them. I wish I was closer to help in some way. I will pass the information along about needed searchers on facebook and twitter.

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 06:06 PM
If anyone else has the birthdates for Robert's mom, her bf, or his father could you post them for me to add to the request in the astrology forum. Along with place of birth is needed for them to do more accurate charts too! TIA

I'm thinking Robert's birthplace might be Idaho, but not confirmed....just guessing on it right now.

I already gave them Silkie M's birthdate.

:angel:

I do know that Robert was born in Boise, Idaho. I know that Melissa's dob is 7/19/79, and I know that Daniel's dob is 11/9/72. The only thing is, I can't post a link to this info, so I'm not sure the astrologers will use it. I assure you it's correct though.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-29-2009, 07:38 PM
Some family members of missing boy have disturbing criminal histories

The search in Boise for a missing 8-year-old boy continues to expand.

Robert Manwill lives with his father in New Plymouth most of the year but is spending the summer with his mother in Boise.

While we have seen Robert's mother and her boyfriend at many of the news conferences, we know very little about them.

Many of the adults in Robert's life have a criminal history.

Police won't address the family's issues telling us they are focused on finding this missing child.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2909-missing_boy_family.8c056ada.html

ETA: From above link:

The mother's boyfriend, Daniel Edward Ehrlick, is the father of the infant.


*DING DING DING* We have an answer. He must still be her boyfriend.

ETA 2: I guess we already knew that, but it's good to have more confirmation.

Angel Who Cares
07-29-2009, 07:54 PM
Some family members of missing boy have disturbing criminal histories
05:30 PM MDT on Wednesday, July 29, 2009
<snipped>
Robert Manwill lives with his father in New Plymouth most of the year but is spending the summer with his mother in Boise.

While we have seen Robert's mother and her boyfriend at many of the news conferences, we know very little about them.

The mother's boyfriend, Daniel Edward Ehrlick, is the father of the infant.

Ehrlick has a criminal history including burglary and has served time in prison.

According to sealed documents obtained by the Idaho Statesman, during a visitation hearing for Jenkins' two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, Jenkins stated she did not want her boyfriend, Ehrlick alone with her daugther. The reason she said that was not stated.

Robert's father, Charles Manwill, has had custody of Robert since January of 2008.

According to the Statesman, a former wife served 10 years in prison for the voluntary manslaughter of the couple's 4-year-old son, an incident that happened 15 years ago while he was stationed on a military base in Louisiana.

The Statesman uncovered federal court documents saying "upon sudden quarrel and in the heat of passion" Silke Manwill stabbed the child in the chest.

Article:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2909-missing_boy_family.8c056ada.html

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pittsburghgirl
07-29-2009, 09:12 PM
Poor, poor little boy, to be born into a family full of such terrible people.

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 09:17 PM
According to sealed documents obtained by the Idaho Statesman, during a visitation hearing for Jenkins' two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, Jenkins stated she did not want her boyfriend, Ehrlick alone with her daugther. The reason she said that was not stated.

Doesn't sound good.

Recovering-Lurker
07-29-2009, 09:18 PM
It is not looking good for Robert. Thank you to Tuba and the other astrologers for working on this case. I was really hoping for good news, but I expected it wouldn't be.

Forensic Astrology - Robert Manwill 8 yr old missing 7/24/09 Boise, ID - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Patty G
07-29-2009, 09:22 PM
July 29, 2009
Issues

YouTube - Issues 7/29/09 Robert Manwill Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li6B9cKomU8)
YouTube - Issues 7/29/09 Robert Manwill Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN3L7l_Ugm8)

Patty G
07-29-2009, 09:32 PM
July 29. 2009
Nancy

YouTube - Nancy 7/29/09 Robert Manwill Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6keI4zXp0Wc)
YouTube - Nancy 7/29/09 Robert Manwill Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_J_AfueEc)

Fairy1
07-29-2009, 11:21 PM
My gosh - I just have such a bad feeling about this case. I hope this sweet little boy is found safe, but the wind sure doesn't seem to be blowing that way.

I will never understand why people who are not capable or willing to care lovingly for their babies KEEP HAVING THEM!!!! Why? Just get your tubes tied and move on. I. don't. get. it.

KR2tonenow
07-29-2009, 11:24 PM
I really want Robert found. The boyfriend and mother should NOT even been allowed visitation. When are the laws going to change to protect these children from these individuals with criminal pasts that are allowed to be parents??? Hey MOM your infant child suffered a FRACTURE...maybe you are NOT equipped to handle children period! I dont care if its LIGHT out at 9:30 pm or not NG, Jane Velez, whoever that reports these stories, 9:30pm is night time period!! and probably not a great time to let an innocent MINOR child run freely. Good Lord~

Took a break from WS, I'm back!!!!

lonetraveler
07-30-2009, 12:11 AM
I really want Robert found. The boyfriend and mother should NOT even been allowed visitation. When are the laws going to change to protect these children from these individuals with criminal pasts that are allowed to be parents??? Hey MOM your infant child suffered a FRACTURE...maybe you are NOT equipped to handle children period! I dont care if its LIGHT out at 9:30 pm or not NG, Jane Velez, whoever that reports these stories, 9:30pm is night time period!! and probably not a great time to let an innocent MINOR child run freely. Good Lord~

Took a break from WS, I'm back!!!!
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Welcome back!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-30-2009, 01:00 AM
No evening press conference tonight?

I'm very scared for Robert. Thanks to our astrologers for looking at Robert's case. Even though it's not what any of us wanted to see, it's probably what most of us expected to see. Hoping for good news by morning.

Liz
07-30-2009, 01:45 AM
My gosh - I just have such a bad feeling about this case. I hope this sweet little boy is found safe, but the wind sure doesn't seem to be blowing that way.

I will never understand why people who are not capable or willing to care lovingly for their babies KEEP HAVING THEM!!!! Why? Just get your tubes tied and move on. I. don't. get. it.

Ditto everything you said, Fairy.

I haven't felt like posting to this thread ever since I read I4G's post Monday evening. Afterwards, I was overcome by deep sadness and felt physically ill. Each time I came to read the thread, those same feelings overcame me. Still do. :sick:

But I'll keep praying for a miracle for the lil guy.

Kimster
07-30-2009, 01:55 AM
Ditto everything you said, Fairy.

I haven't felt like posting to this thread ever since I read I4G's post (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3992194&postcount=14) Monday evening. Afterwards, I was overcome by deep sadness and felt physically ill. Each time I came to read the thread, those same feelings overcame me. Still do. :sick:

But I'll keep praying for a miracle for the lil guy.

The child abuse on both sides of this little boy's family is frightening!

Busylady
07-30-2009, 08:40 AM
Boise police and the family of Robert Manwill are asking anyone who can to join a massive search for the boy on Friday.

Police put off the search a day to give volunteers a chance to rest after several days of work and to have a chance to recruit officers from around the Valley to lead groups from 10 to 12 residents.

If as many people show up as police hope, the size and scope of the search will be unprecedented here, police say
http://www.idahostatesman.com/1453/story/850011.html

Indiana at Heart
07-30-2009, 09:51 AM
Just getting caught up on this missing child. Oh Let Robert be safe somewhere. To many missing kids. Prayers to Roberts Family.

gaia227
07-30-2009, 12:51 PM
As much as I am all about our personal freedoms and rights it is situations like this when a child is born into a hopeless environment that leads me to the opinion that you should have to go through an application and approval process before having children. You have to do that if you want to adopt a child - hell, you have to do that if you want to adopt an animal from a shelter - but some trashy woman can just bust out as many kids as she wants even AFTER being charged with felony child abuse.

impatientredhead
07-30-2009, 02:42 PM
'police not looking for more volunteers'... okay. What does that mean?
How can you have too many people on a search?
Why did they search only a 1/2 mile radius at first?

'robert's mom's boyfriend let him go out to play.'
I thought Robert was with his dad and aunt.
Why would the bf be in charge?

What time did Robert go out to play?
Who saw him at 9:30pm?

Does he live with his mom? or dad?
Mom appears to be same one who hurt her baby last fall.
When is the last time mom saw Robert?

I think LE knows much more than they are saying.
And it certainly does not look good for Robert.

In an organized search you have to have experienced team leaders for manageable groups of untrained volunteers. You can quickly have too many volunteers and end up with your experienced searchers spending precious time wrangling people instead of doing the job they are there for. Too many well intended people possibly stomping through a crime scene without guidance is not what they are hoping to accomplish.

Kimster
07-30-2009, 03:34 PM
As much as I am all about our personal freedoms and rights it is situations like this when a child is born into a hopeless environment that leads me to the opinion that you should have to go through an application and approval process before having children. You have to do that if you want to adopt a child - hell, you have to do that if you want to adopt an animal from a shelter - but some trashy woman can just bust out as many kids as she wants even AFTER being charged with felony child abuse.
There is no way this woman should have been allowed to be around ANY kids, let alone her OWN! The system seems to believe kids are better off with their bio-parents all the time. I disagree!!!

When I was in high school, we were required to take a semester in child development. I feel this should be required again! Kids need to learn what is the right way to raise a child - for those who haven't been taught that at home.

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 03:45 PM
FYI: If you didn't know already, our amazing astrologers are working on this case! :clap: Thanks to all who sent in a request...Dreamweaver & I both requested & others as well...sorry I didn't name everyone.....busy day & busy multi-tasking here today at WS's! :wink:

Here is the link to the thread for Robert. I will make sure that they get any new media....if anything else is needed by them PLEASE check to see if they do, if you can answer the question could you post it there for them? TIA

Forensic Astrology - Robert Manwill 8 yr old missing 7/24/09 Boise, ID
Forensic Astrology - Robert Manwill 8 yr old missing 7/24/09 Boise, ID - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:angel:

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 03:50 PM
Search for missing boy continues
Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:22 AM CDT
<snipped>
Robert Manwill, 8, has been missing since Friday, July 24, and was last seen near his mother’s apartment complex in the 9200 block of Cherry Lane, Boise, southwest of Vista and Overland.

According to the Boise Police Department, police will continue to investigate and conduct interviews to pursue approximately 50 leads. In addition, a Idaho Army National Guard helicopter will conduct an aerial search targeting sites where an 8-year-old boy could potentially walk or wander to, according to the Web site. Search teams comprising of officers and approximately 120 volunteers are inspecting public areas near Manwill’s apartment home.

According to the BPD Web site, Manwill is considered an endangered missing child because of his age and the duration he has been away from home. Several agencies, including the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children “Team Adam,” Ada and Canyon County sheriff’s offices, Meridian Police Department, Garden City Police Department, Idaho State Police and officers with the Treasure Valley Metro Violent Crimes Task Force are assisting.

Article:
http://www.ind-ent.com/articles/2009/07/30/news/55.txt
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Can you help find missing Boise 8-year-old Robert Manwill?
Police want 1,000 people or more to scour Boise for the missing 8-year-old
Published: 07/30/09
<snipped>
Boise police and the family of Robert Manwill are asking anyone who can to join a massive search for the boy on Friday.

Police put off the search a day to give volunteers a chance to rest after several days of work and to have a chance to recruit officers from around the Valley to lead groups from 10 to 12 residents.

A map of the search area for 8-year-old Robert Manwill, who had been missing since Friday, July 24.
http://media.idahostatesman.com/smedia/2009/07/29/22/0730_Manwill_search.source.prod_affiliate.36.pdf

Article:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/1453/story/850011.html
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VIDEO: Thursday Mornings Headlines 2:03
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4001127&at1=News&h1=Thursday Morning Headlines

VIDEO: More Thursday Morning Headlines 2:04
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4001124&at1=News&h1=More Thursday Morning Headlines

P.S. Sorry if this was posted already....jumping from this case a few others today. Along with the lg doc dump in the Casey Anthony case! :wink:
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SleuthyMama
07-30-2009, 03:57 PM
There is no way this woman should have been allowed to be around ANY kids, let alone her OWN! The system seems to believe kids are better off with their bio-parents all the time. I disagree!!!

When I was in high school, we were required to take a semester in child development. I feel this should be required again! Kids need to learn what is the right way to raise a child - for those who haven't been taught that at home.

:clap::clap::clap: Amen, Kimster.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-30-2009, 03:58 PM
FYI: If you didn't know already, our amazing astrologers are working on this case! :clap: Thanks to all who sent in a request...Dreamweaver & I both requested & others as well...sorry I didn't name everyone.....busy day & busy multi-tasking here today at WS's! :wink:

Here is the link to the thread for Robert. I will make sure that they get any new media....if anything else is needed by them PLEASE check to see if they do, if you can answer the question could you post it there for them? TIA

Forensic Astrology - Robert Manwill 8 yr old missing 7/24/09 Boise, ID
Forensic Astrology - Robert Manwill 8 yr old missing 7/24/09 Boise, ID - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87148)

:angel:

Thanks. Recovering-Lurker let us know about this yesterday. :)

Can someone tell me if I'm being illogical in wanting to drive 6-7 hours tonight, search tomorrow morning, and drive 6-7 hours back tomorrow night? And be refreshed and ready to go on a 25-ish mile bike ride Saturday morning? I know the answer, but I need to hear someone else say it, lol.

AmandaReckonwith
07-30-2009, 04:40 PM
Thanks. Recovering-Lurker let us know about this yesterday. :)

Can someone tell me if I'm being illogical in wanting to drive 6-7 hours tonight, search tomorrow morning, and drive 6-7 hours back tomorrow night? And be refreshed and ready to go on a 25-ish mile bike ride Saturday morning? I know the answer, but I need to hear someone else say it, lol.

Yes, you're being illogical. You're leading with your heart, not your common sense. Cancel your bike ride or cancel going to search.

Since they will have quite enough volunteers, I recommend you do the bike ride and have family fun.

I fear it is too late to help Robert unless it is to bring home his body...
but your family is never going to get enough lovin'.

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 05:15 PM
Yes Idaho4Groenes...is it possible to find a motel room checp to saty overnight?
If not see if someone else can go with you to drive so that you can catch some zzz's on the way & back home.
Either way you are an angel to want to go & help search.
I'm too far to make it there....Mich. to Idaho too many miles for me to go. If I could I would go & help though.

:angel:

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-30-2009, 05:27 PM
Thanks Amanda and Angel. :blowkiss: Since I would be going by myself and already had the other plans, I've decided to be logical and skip this search. I already knew that was the answer, but just needed someone to knock some sense into me. Instead, I will just send my positive thoughts and hope that the search will be productive, as I'm sure everyone else here who can't make it will also be doing.

Boyz_Mum
07-30-2009, 06:48 PM
Yes Idaho4Groenes...is it possible to find a motel room checp to saty overnight?
If not see if someone else can go with you to drive so that you can catch some zzz's on the way & back home.
Either way you are an angel to want to go & help search.
I'm too far to make it there....Mich. to Idaho too many miles for me to go. If I could I would go & help though.

:angel:

I'm "up the river" in MI and I do think it's rather far to travel, but I'd go with you! :blowkiss:

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 07:16 PM
Missing boy's dad grateful for all the public support
UPDATED: 04:53 PM MDT on Thursday, July 30, 2009
<snipped>
The National Guard is now involved in the search for 8-year-old Robert Manwill who has been missing for six days.

And for the first time today Robert’s father speaks out publically about the search for his son.

"My heart goes out to the community for all the help we have received in the search for my lost son. I also want to thank the Boise Police Department for their tireless effort, the FBI and my brothers in the National Guard, they're family men, family women, they want to bring this boy home, that all that matters to us at this point," said Charles Manwill, Robert’s father.

Today is the first day since the search began that citizens didn't go out and search, but that doesn't mean people weren't out searching.

Between last night and today, 135 men and women from the Idaho National Guard and the Idaho Bureau of Homeland Security searched for Robert.

Lt. Col. Tim Narsano with the Idaho National Guard says they add a skill set that the general public doesn't necessarily have.

Article:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul3009-manwill_dad.91078c8c.html

:angel:

passionflower
07-30-2009, 07:47 PM
According to JVM, the family has a history of tradgic deaths

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-30-2009, 08:00 PM
New Plymouth holds out hope Robert will come home

NEW PLYMOUTH -- Robert Manwill had just completed the second grade at New Plymouth Elementary School.

NewsChannel 7 talked to Robert's teacher today about the 8-year-old boy that so many people are desperately trying to find.

Christy Morales has been in education for 17 years and never had one of her students go missing.

She is now active in helping with the efforts to find Robert.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/canyoncounty/ktvbn-jul3009-new_plymouth.91167eb1.html

lonetraveler
07-30-2009, 08:08 PM
Thanks Amanda and Angel. :blowkiss: Since I would be going by myself and already had the other plans, I've decided to be logical and skip this search. I already knew that was the answer, but just needed someone to knock some sense into me. Instead, I will just send my positive thoughts and hope that the search will be productive, as I'm sure everyone else here who can't make it will also be doing.
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Idaho4Groenes, all of us know that you have a very big heart and would definitely be there if you could. I wish I could search. I'm disabled and in North Carolina but my thoughts will be with everyone involved in this search and for the ones, like me, who wish they could but will be supporting everyone and investigating as we do for this precious little boy. My grandson is his age. My heart aches for him.

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 08:09 PM
New Plymouth holds out hope Robert will come home
07/30/2009 05:08 PM MDT
<snipped>
NEW PLYMOUTH -- Robert Manwill had just completed the second grade at New Plymouth Elementary School.

NewsChannel 7 talked to Robert's teacher today about the 8-year-old boy that so many people are desperately trying to find.

Christy Morales has been in education for 17 years and never had one of her students go missing.

She is now active in helping with the efforts to find Robert.

Robert had only been at the school for a year after recently moving in with his father.

Morales describes Robert has a kind, loving child who was smart.

A mother herself, she worries about being alone and vulnerable, and hopes he would be able to defend himself in a tough situation.

They are asking anyone over 18 to meet at the elementary school at 1:15 p.m. Friday.

School busses and others willing to carpool will then travel to Boise to help with the massive search for Robert.

VIDEO: Hear from his 2nd grade teacher
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=385113

Article:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/canyoncounty/ktvbn-jul3009-new_plymouth.91167eb1.html
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Search for 8-year-old Robert Manwill - 07-28-2009
http://www.idahostatesman.com/258/gallery/848267.html
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VIDEO Searchers Taking Thursday Off 0:39
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4000223&at1=News&h1=Searchers Taking Thursday Off

VIDEO: Update On Robert Manwill Search 2:12
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4000212&at1=News&h1=Update On Robert Manwill Search

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Busylady
07-30-2009, 08:10 PM
I pray tomorrow they have a wonderful turnout of people who are going to search, and they find this precious little boy. This has to stop seems like everyday we hear of another child missing.

lonetraveler
07-30-2009, 08:12 PM
Well, I told myself that I just could not add another missing child to my life but here I am. This is so heartbreaking. I have grandchildren this age. I am getting so tired of people who don't even know how to be a parent and have no love for the child missing to have custody over that child. It has been said that Robert likes to hide. In my gut, I think I know why he likes to hide. I pray for the best conclusion of this tragic story.

yosande
07-30-2009, 08:37 PM
Three bio dad's involved:

Charles Manwill for Robert Manwill
Raymond Sohms for little girl
Daniel Ehrlick Jr for Aidan Ehrlick (skull fracture)

Custody of the two younger children appear to be with the state.

And also a baby boy Ehrlick in 2005, which would make him 4 or 5 years old now?
And the girl is 2 1/2 years old?
Did Ehrlick spend some time in jail, causing her to have a daughter with RS? just asking, and just guessing.
If he did spend time in jail, was it d/t the baby Ehrlick in 2005?
moo

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 08:48 PM
Idaho National Guard Join Search For Missing Boy
July 30, 2009
<snipped>
Members of the Idaho National Guard and Bureau of Homeland Security map out their locations in the search of missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill. Guardsmen and women canvassed remote areas looking for clues that could possible lead them to Robert.

"We have personnel out there that are scouts, they are trained in looking for things that the untrained eye may not see", says Lt. Col. Tim Marsano.

They checked fields and garbage bins hoping to find a trace of the young boy missing now for 6 days.

"We're looking for items of interest that may not have been uncovered", Marsano said.

At the day six briefing Police and Guardsmen would not comment on what lead them to begin looking in this direction but National Guard officials say they are equipped for the job and can provide more resources in the quest to find the 8-year-old boy who vanished from home.

"We know that area, we work out there, we drive those roads everyday do we can see things maybe the average person couldn't", says Marsano.

VIDEO: Idaho National Guard Join Search For Missing Boy 1:39
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4003010

VIDEO: Massive Volunteer Seach For 8-Year Old Boy 2:00
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4003004

VIDEO: Massive Search For Missing Boy Set For Friday 2:34
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3999655

VIDEO: No Suspects In Search For Missing Boise Boy 2:09
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3996538

VIDEO: Police Expand Search For Missing Boy 2:09
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3991945

Article:
http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10822929
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VIDEO: Dad's thankful remarks
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=385088
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Google Map For Missing Robert Manwill
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=43.580702,-116.213593&spn=0.030062,0.027595&msid=113399659680391271186.00046fb362da75f7e9bb8&source=embed
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Video: Latest news conference about the search for Robert Manwill July 28, 2009
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/Multimedia/DepartmentVideos/LatestManwillPresserV1.wmv

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LadyBugSTL
07-30-2009, 08:50 PM
A poster on another website is claiming to be one of Robert's aunts. THIS CANNOT BE CONFIRMED because it's just someone posting on a website, but...she says that Robert did ask to go to the party but it was earlier in the day. Robert's mom's boyfriend let him go outside to play while mom was still at work. They noticed that he was gone between 9-9:30. She also says "My sister and Robert's father have primary custody of Robert while his mother has limited visitation. Her visitation was revoked a while ago until she completed some time in lock up and several hours of parenting/anger management classes for the fracture in her infants skull."

Again, this can't be verified as it's just a posting on a website. If I need to remove it or provide a link, just let me know. But if this is true, the connection we made earlier is correct. The woman is the same person.

ETA LINK: http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15748&page=6

Was it ever confirmed that Robert's mother *was actually at work as the "Aunt" is stating - and if so - when did she return home - could she have returned home for a short period of time and gone back to work? Was she at home when Robert was "discovered" to be missing? Who was it that "reportedly" discovered Robert missing? (Can ya'll tell I'm a wee bit suspicious???:waitasec:)

How, with the previous charges against this mother (and boyfriend for that matter) could anyone have considered leaving this innocent child with them? :furious:

Something is seriously wrong here and I've a feeling the truth lies not far from this little guys home. Has anyone else noticed how sad the expression in his eyes is in every picture? It just breaks my heart - and I too - totally understand everyone's urge to trek there to assist in the search. However, as was most astutely pointed out - it's not a realistic option for some of us - so instead - I'll be sending {{{{positive thoughts}}}}}} and many prayers :praying:.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-30-2009, 08:58 PM
I don't think the mother being at work has ever been verified by LE or even media. Nor have any of your other questions, for that matter.

I, too, think that the truth isn't far from Robert's home.

yosande
07-30-2009, 09:02 PM
{ase: CV-DR-1995-01430 Magistrate Filed: 07/14/1995 Subtype: Domestic Relations Judge: Russell A. Comstock Status: Closed 12/04/1995 Defendants: Manwill, Silke Fatma Plaintiffs: Manwill, Charles Lee Register of actions: Date 07/14/1995 New Case Filed 07/14/1995 Divorce 07/14/1995 Summons Issued 07/14/1995 Order To Attend Parent Workshop (8/15/95) 08/16/1995 Case Status Report 09/28/1995 Proof Of Service 12/04/1995 Affidavit For Entry Of Default 12/04/1995 Order For Entry Of Default 12/04/1995 Default 12/04/1995 Default Judgment Entered At Hearing 12/04/1995 Judgment 12/04/1995 Certificate Of Mailing}

This info wouldn't quote properly so I cut and pasted it. post #187 from impatienthead. Thanks impatienthead...

It gives me the impression that SM and CM had more than one child, as the son was killed in 93.

impatientredhead
07-30-2009, 09:05 PM
ase: CV-DR-1995-01430 Magistrate Filed: 07/14/1995 Subtype: Domestic Relations Judge: Russell A. Comstock Status: Closed 12/04/1995 Defendants: Manwill, Silke Fatma Plaintiffs: Manwill, Charles Lee Register of actions: Date 07/14/1995 New Case Filed 07/14/1995 Divorce 07/14/1995 Summons Issued 07/14/1995 Order To Attend Parent Workshop (8/15/95) 08/16/1995 Case Status Report 09/28/1995 Proof Of Service 12/04/1995 Affidavit For Entry Of Default 12/04/1995 Order For Entry Of Default 12/04/1995 Default 12/04/1995 Default Judgment Entered At Hearing 12/04/1995 Judgment 12/04/1995 Certificate Of Mailing

This info wouldn't quote properly so I cut and pasted it.
It gives me the impression that SM and CM had more than one child, as the son was killed in 93.

I think there is older brother. I am pretty sure there was a myspace on here saying how upset he is and that his brother is missing.

impatientredhead
07-30-2009, 09:08 PM
And also a baby boy Ehrlick in 2005, which would make him 4 or 5 years old now?
And the girl is 2 1/2 years old?
Did Ehrlick spend some time in jail, causing her to have a daughter with RS? just asking, and just guessing.
If he did spend time in jail, was it d/t the baby Ehrlick in 2005?
moo

Baby boy Ehrlick was either adopted (hopefully) or appears to not be living. The case is sealed, but there are child support hearings for all of the other kids. I cannot find any examples of court records listed by baby boy or baby girl. An adoption would be in family court records and the 2005 Baby Boy Ehrlick is in criminal records.

SuziQ
07-30-2009, 09:08 PM
Do we know if Robert's house was ever processed as a crime scene? Who was the last independent person to see this child? Am I understanding correctly that Robert's father spoke to him earlier that day? Do we know what time that was? I would love to have Robert's mother and her BF's phone pings for that day. I hope LE has contacted the landfill to hold garbage from the apartment complex and nearby businesses.

In my gut this case is not a missing child but a homicide reported as a missing child by the people responsible.

Angel Who Cares
07-30-2009, 09:15 PM
UPDATED: Massive Volunteer Search For 8-Year Old Boy
Updated: July 30, 2009 08:22 PM EDT
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For six days search crews have combed Boise streets looking for Robert Manwill and tonight, on the eve of an unprecedented volunteer effort, he remains missing.

75 police officers will put their efforts to coordinate 3 massive volunteer search groups.

Police from all over the Treasure Valley are asking anyone and everyone to dedicate their time tomorrow to find the missing 8-year old boy.

Taking a deep breath and fighting back tears, Robert's father thanked everyone for helping the family look for his son.

My heart goes out to the community for all the help and support we've received and the search for my lost son," said Robert's father Charles Manwill.

As Robert's family stood strong, they said they don't want the public to concentrate on the family's troubled past. Instead they should have only one thing on their minds.

"We do not know why people think any of this, matters. We are asking everyone to stay focused on our target on hand and that's to bring Robert home," said Robert's Aunt Trisha Burrill.

Even the Boise Police Department spoke about their dedication in finding Robert.

Detectives are working around the clock, trying to follow more than 200 leads.

That's why they're asking everyone to take the search seriously.

VIDEO: Massive Volunteer Seach For 8-Year Old Boy 2:00
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4003004

VIDEO: Massive Search For Missing Boy Set For Friday 2:34
http://www.kivitv.com/global/Category.asp?c=169854&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3999655

Article:
http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10822942&nav=menu536_2
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Day Four of Robert Manwill Search Comes Up Empty
Posted: July 25, 2009 07:26 PM EDT
Updated: July 29, 2009 12:13 AM EDT
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Detectives have no suspects or people of interest in 8 year-old Robert Manwill's disappearance. The announcement came at a press conference late Tuesday night.

Investigators have also questioned more than 100 registered sex offenders with in a two mile radius of the home.

Police are calling Robert an endangered Missing child, but have not said he was abducted. "We are not ready to say that Robert was abducted we don't not have any indication that Robert was abducted", Kerns said early Monday.

In the meantime family members still holding out hope Robert will be found safe and sound.

"This is Robert's bear that has always been close to his heart and our family would love to reunite them together," Robert's Aunt Tricia Burrill said Tuesday night.

Boise Police Department
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/

July 30, 2009 Latest News Conference on Missing Boy (Video) - Media Information
July 30, 2009
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Speakers:
Deputy Chief Jim Kerns, Boise Police Department
Idaho National Guard Lt Colonel Tim Marsano
Family representative Trish Burrill

Media Contact Information:
Lynn Hightower, Communications Director, Boise PD
lhightower@cityofboise.org, (208) 570-6180

All the latest information will be posted at www.boisepolice.org
News media briefings will be held daily, until further notice, at Boise City Hall West, 333 N. Sailfish Place.

Watch the latest News Conference
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/Multimedia/DepartmentVideos/LatestManwillPresserV4.wmv

Link:
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page45044.aspx

Robert Manwill Flyer
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page45073.aspx

Police need your help to find a missing boy! July 30, 2009
Fact sheet, Thursday, July 30th, 2009, 2:00 p.m.
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Robert is being considered an endangered missing child, and has been since he was reported missing, because of his age and the length of time he’s been away from home.

Robert was reportedly last seen sometime Friday evening, July 24th, around the Oak Park apartment complex 2800 W. Cherry, near Vista and Targee. Reported missing to Boise Police at 10:11 p.m. Friday night.

So far, no evidence of an abduction.

Robert’s family is continuing to cooperate with investigators. New family members have arrived from around the country for support.

Investigation:
Today, approx. 40 officers continued their house to house search, talking to anyone who may have seen Robert. Specifically, the officers are, not only looking for evidence, but still trying to determine a timeline of Robert’s activities on the day he disappeared.

More than 120 Registered Sex Offenders within a 2-mile radius of where Robert disappeared have been questioned at least once by detectives.

Leads:
The Find Robert Tip Line has become more active. More than 125 leads have been received and are being actively followed. Citizens are encouraged to continue to provide any information, including sightings of Robert beginning Friday morning, July 24th.

There are many questions about the nature of the leads detectives are following. We understand the public has those questions and has the right to ask them. But we hope folks understand, it’s the very nature of police investigations, that until the case is conclude, in this case, until we find Robert… specifics and details of this very active, ongoing, priority investigation cannot be released.

Until Robert is found, every lead in any direction is being worked. Nothing is being discounted, everything is being scrutinized.

Volunteers:
Approx 35 Volunteers continued their grid search today, being coordinated by Boise Police and experts from the Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue. Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue volunteers have been a terrific help to this investigation.

Sunday, July 26th, volunteers searched the public areas from the child’s apartment residence to ½ mile out. Monday, July 27th the volunteer grid search covered public areas ½ mile to 1 mile from where Robert was reported missing. Other areas since then have been re-searched as directed by the needs of the investigation.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children recommends searching public areas up to one-mile from where the child was reported missing, so at this time, the volunteer search has gone beyond that.

Assisting Agencies:
Because of the importance of this investigation, investigators from national law enforcement and missing children’s associations, and several local, Treasure Valley law enforcement agencies are helping Boise PD in the search and investigation including; FBI, National center for Missing and Exploited Children – Team Adam, Ada County and Canyon County Sheriff’s Offices, Meridian, Garden City, Idaho State Police, officers with the Treasure Valley Metro Violent Crimes task Force.

Helicopter Search:
An Idaho Army National Guard helicopter conducted an aerial search of the area Monday, July 27th, searching for a different perspective from the air, looking over an area where an 8 year old boy might walk or wander from his home.

Missing Child Reports made to Boise Police:
2008 – 154
Jan 1 thru June 30, 2009 – 86
Some of those reports turned into runaway reports. All other missing child reports were resolved, typically within few hours, some with the public’s help following a media release.

Much more info is included in the Boise Police Link!
Comments from Deputy Chief Jim Kerns of the Boise Police Department, 2:00 p.m., Thursday, July 30th media briefing!

Comments from Deputy Chief Jim Kerns of the Boise Police Department, 2:00 p.m., Wednesday, July 29th media briefing!

Comments from Deputy Chief Jim Kerns of the Boise Police Department, 7:00 p.m., Tuesday, July 28th media briefing!

LINK:
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page45017.aspx

Article:
http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10790517&nav=menu536_2

FYI: I added some new articles(& updated them), google map of search area & a lot of videos for reference for everyone in my post #230 & Post #226!

:angel:

Shelby77
07-30-2009, 09:20 PM
And also a baby boy Ehrlick in 2005, which would make him 4 or 5 years old now?
And the girl is 2 1/2 years old?
Did Ehrlick spend some time in jail, causing her to have a daughter with RS? just asking, and just guessing.
If he did spend time in jail, was it d/t the baby Ehrlick in 2005?
moo.


I don't think it's been confirmed that baby boy Ehrlick is/was Melissa's baby, I don't think we even know that Daniel's the father either, just speculation.
Hope that helps :)

DollyPardonMe
07-30-2009, 09:21 PM
I think there is older brother. I am pretty sure there was a myspace on here saying how upset he is and that his brother is missing.

Older brother is Ken Manwill, 18 years old. His My Space:
http://www.myspace.com/kenmanwill..

He says he is most likely going to pi$$ somebody off but doesnt give a Sh** because he just wants his brother found...Think he knows something?

eyes4crime
07-30-2009, 09:24 PM
I don't think the mother being at work has ever been verified by LE or even media. Nor have any of your other questions, for that matter.

I, too, think that the truth isn't far from Robert's home.

I can't imagine that LE didn't verify mom being at work...am I right in assuming the boyfriend was at home with Robert? You would think that out of respect that this investigation move on to find Robert, Melissa and her live-in boyfriend would take a polygraph. IMO I don't care how she frames the head fracture - only reckless and impulsive behavior could cause a head fracture in an infant. mho

I doubt this child (Robert) was alive when he was called in missing!!!mho :mad:

raeann
07-30-2009, 09:35 PM
Baby boy Ehrlick was either adopted (hopefully) or appears to not be living. The case is sealed, but there are child support hearings for all of the other kids. I cannot find any examples of court records listed by baby boy or baby girl. An adoption would be in family court records and the 2005 Baby Boy Ehrlick is in criminal records.

Has anyone checked the obits from 2005 for Boise under the name Ehrlick? Unfortunately, I know that this can be done, but don't know how to do it myself.

impatientredhead
07-30-2009, 09:38 PM
Has anyone checked the obits from 2005 for Boise under the name Ehrlick? Unfortunately, I know that this can be done, but don't know how to do it myself.

I haven't but that is a good idea.
Even if the family doesn't do an obit it should be there as a record.

Salem
07-30-2009, 09:55 PM
I pray tomorrow they have a wonderful turnout of people who are going to search, and they find this precious little boy. This has to stop seems like everyday we hear of another child missing.

Adding my prayers to yours for extra strength.

Salem

Salem
07-30-2009, 10:08 PM
I wonder if we can get the 911 call released? I'll try emailing one of the reporters.

911 calls can provide a whole lot of info.......

Salem

impatientredhead
07-30-2009, 10:09 PM
There is a birth and death record for Baby Boy Ehrlick in Ada County in 2005.
They are only available at paysites and I haven't found one that I trust yet, or one that has a functional paypal button.

LLLindsayy
07-30-2009, 11:09 PM
Older brother is Ken Manwill, 18 years old. His My Space:
http://www.myspace.com/kenmanwill..

He says he is most likely going to pi$$ somebody off but doesnt give a Sh** because he just wants his brother found...Think he knows something?


I understand that post to mean that he is willing to go to any length in order to locate his brother and he doesn't care who he upsets in the process. I feel that if my sister went missing I'd have the same attitude.

In my opinion, whether he knows anything or not cannot be determined from this statement.

eyes4crime
07-30-2009, 11:16 PM
There is a birth and death record for Baby Boy Ehrlick in Ada County in 2005.
They are only available at paysites and I haven't found one that I trust yet, or one that has a functional paypal button.

Hi impatientredhead: One of the 10 arrests that came up for this slug was in Ada County. I'm sure you have the right information. mho

Salem
07-30-2009, 11:42 PM
I wonder if we can get the 911 call released? I'll try emailing one of the reporters.

911 calls can provide a whole lot of info.......

Salem

Sorry to quote myself, but wanted to update. I sent an email to KTVB asking if the station would be requesting release of the 911 call and thanking the reporter for the perspective of the teacher.

I'll let you know if I hear anything - hopefully the 911 call.

Salem

atstephens9
07-31-2009, 01:03 AM
the police have swarmed Robert's mother's apartment and have taped off, police will not talk at all tonight but have been removing items from her apartment and the mother(Melissa) was not at press briefing today! I live in Boise and we have been praying for the best, but tonight it does not look so good! will try and keep everyone updated!


http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2909-manwill_home.92506db4.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-31-2009, 01:06 AM
Oh...
My...
God...

CRIME LAB AT MANWILL MOTHER'S APARTMENT

Police are at the apartment complex where the mother of missing 8-year-old boy Robert Manwill lives. Police are not saying why they responded to the scene late this evening, but have put up crime scene tape.

http://www.kivitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10823713