Woman killed, fetus cut from her body

[shgrbkr]

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

Is it just me, or is the world getting sicker by the minute?

[cleo612]

Woman killed, fetus cut from body


(CNN) -- Police are searching for someone who killed a woman in her Massachusetts apartment and cut an 8-month-old fetus from her body.

Officers found Darlene Haynes dead after neighbors complained about a stench coming from her Worcester apartment.

The 23-year-old was found in the closet of a bedroom, wrapped in bedding, according to authorities. She was last seen on Thursday, police said.

Haynes had been dead for several days, police said. During an autopsy, police learned that a fetus had been removed from the woman's body.

More at link...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/29/massachusetts.fetus/index.html

[believe09]

Bet police are looking for the friend who stopped by for the wine coolers.

[Bee Happy]

She was having wine coolers???

[angeleleven]

The news gets sicker by the day. Sounds like something from a horror movie. I hope the person that did this gets caught. So sad for this mother and I guess its unknown if the baby survived.

[yanknrebel]

Wine coolers? That is what I was thinking!!

[angeleleven]

Wine coolers? That is what I was thinking!!

Not such a good combination for a pregnant woman.

[SleuthyMama]

I'm running out of ways to express my disgust at the things I read about daily.

[MyLilElves]

Ugh! The people who do this are sick, twisted, and disgusting!!

Pregnant women beware!

[VespaElf]

I hope the baby survived.
Clearly LE need to check hospitals to see if anyone brought in a 'newborn'.
In all likelihood this was committed by a woman who has told her BF or husband she was pregnant & needed to "have" the imaginary baby ASAP!
So sick & sad! :(:

[colette]

The orginal link now just takes you to other stories. Here is a link for this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/29/massachusetts.fetus/index.html

[jnTexas]

ho many days was she there dead? no one missed her? Where's the baby daddy??

[colette]

She also has a one year old, who is safe with relatives.
http://www.examiner.com/x-15948-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m7d29-Mom-killed-eightmonthold-fetus-cut-from-womb

According to court records, Ms. Haynes has a daughter who will be 2 years old in November. Ms. Haynes' landlord, William Thompson, said he believed Ms. Haynes took the child to Roberto C. Rodriguez, Ms. Haynes' boyfriend, on Thursday.

Ms. Haynes had an active restraining order against Mr. Rodriguez, according to records on file in Central District Court. The issuance of the restraining order stemmed from an alleged assault on June 24.

According to a criminal file, Mr. Rodriguez allegedly pushed Ms. Haynes into a glass table, cutting her arm. In the report, she called Mr. Rodriguez her boyfriend of several years, and told police she was seven months pregnant at the time. ......

He was released on personal recognizance and his case was continued to tomorrow. He was ordered to obey the restraining order, have no contact with the woman and not abuse her.

Court records also show Mr. Rodriguez was charged in early 2008 with striking Ms. Haynes. He was arraigned in Central District Court on an assault and battery charge, which was continued without a finding on July 2, 2008. The continuance without a finding ended June 23, according to court records.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090729/NEWS/907290408/1116

[SuziQ]

I've read several articles and don't see any mention of the friend and the wine coolers? The boston herald has a good article. Steve Huff at the true crime report has a post up with a link to mom's myspace. I can't post links from my bberry and my pc is broken. :(

[Kat]

Anyone else remember when we had a rash of these crimes? I can't remember the year.

I agree VespaElf. Most of these crimes that I have read about are commited women that have faked a pregnancy and are in need of producing a baby~ pronto. LE's best bet if this is the case is that someone will come forward with a story about a woman who supposedly recently delivered but the story of the delivery doesn't quite jibe.

Of course they have to clear the Father of the baby first. Not saying he had anything to do with it, just saying they have to clear him.

As for the wine cooler(s). I'm old school and I don't see a problem with a woman having a wine cooler or even a one glass of wine with dinner...once in a great while...during her third trimester. Only during the last trimester though. And again, only a very very mild drink like a cooler or a very small glass of wine with dinner. But that's just me.

[colette]

The baby would have been Haynes' fourth daughter. She left behind Jasmine, 5, and Lilli, 3, who were being raised by Haynes' grandmother, and Christina, 1, who Haynes had custody of.

While the police have not yet named a suspect in the murder, Grandmaison said Darlene Haynes had problems with two men, her ex-boyfriend Roberto Rodriquez and her landlord William Thompson, who discovered her body. ....

Grandmaison said Thompson would sometimes let himself into her apartment unannounced. "He was just literally harrassing her," she said.

Grandmaison described Haynes' as a loving mother who was friendly to strangers, and said she was severely developmentally disabled as a result of abuse as a young child.

Grandmaison estimated that Haynes' functioned as a 12 or 13-year-old would and had a hard time holding down a job. She loved her children...

(Maybe her baby was taken in attempts to hide who the father was, not to steal a baby)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8201108&page=1

[Recovering-Lurker]

She also has a one year old, who is safe with relatives.
http://www.examiner.com/x-15948-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m7d29-Mom-killed-eightmonthold-fetus-cut-from-womb

According to court records, Ms. Haynes has a daughter who will be 2 years old in November. Ms. Haynes' landlord, William Thompson, said he believed Ms. Haynes took the child to Roberto C. Rodriguez, Ms. Haynes' boyfriend, on Thursday.

Ms. Haynes had an active restraining order against Mr. Rodriguez, according to records on file in Central District Court. The issuance of the restraining order stemmed from an alleged assault on June 24.

According to a criminal file, Mr. Rodriguez allegedly pushed Ms. Haynes into a glass table, cutting her arm. In the report, she called Mr. Rodriguez her boyfriend of several years, and told police she was seven months pregnant at the time. ......

He was released on personal recognizance and his case was continued to tomorrow. He was ordered to obey the restraining order, have no contact with the woman and not abuse her.

Court records also show Mr. Rodriguez was charged in early 2008 with striking Ms. Haynes. He was arraigned in Central District Court on an assault and battery charge, which was continued without a finding on July 2, 2008. The continuance without a finding ended June 23, according to court records.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090729/NEWS/907290408/1116

Mr. Rodriguez allegedly pulled the telephone cord out of the wall so she could not call police, she said. Ms. Haynes also said in the affidavit in support of a restraining order that Mr. Rodriguez grabbed her by the throat and slapped her during the alleged assault. A warrant was issued at the time for Mr. Rodriguez, according to court records, and he was arraigned June 29 on charges of aggravated assault and battery and intimidation of a witness.

Mr. Rodriguez moved out of the Southgate Street apartment that he shared with Ms. Haynes about a month ago, according to the landlord.

Court records list Mr. Rodriguez as the father of Ms. Haynes' daughter

Hmmmm... so the boyfriend, whom she had a restraining order against knew that the daughter wouldn't be home, and if he wanted to hurt his girlfriend but not the child... just doing some speculating.

[WhyaDuck?]

When I was pregnant, my mum was really paranoid about these types of crimes. They are pretty horrific, so I can see why they got stuck in her brain.

Sympathy to the family, especially the little one year old, and I hope for the best for the stolen baby.

[Kat]

I've read several articles and don't see any mention of the friend and the wine coolers? The boston herald has a good article. Steve Huff at the true crime report has a post up with a link to mom's myspace. I can't post links from my bberry and my pc is broken. :(

Hi Suzi here is the mention I saw:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/29/massachusetts.fetus/index.html

(Cleo had posted the link)

...A friend of Haynes told CNN affiliate WHDH that she had received a text message from Haynes at 11:20 p.m. Thursday that said she was having wine coolers with a friend at her apartment. That was the last she heard from her.


Hope that helps :)

[Amster]

I've read several articles and don't see any mention of the friend and the wine coolers? The boston herald has a good article. Steve Huff at the true crime report has a post up with a link to mom's myspace. I can't post links from my bberry and my pc is broken. :(

It's in the first link on this thread.

[Amster]

If she functioned the same as a 12 or 13 year old, why was she living on her own? Why does grandma have custody of her 2 oldest girls? How the heck was she going to cope with a toddler and a newborn? If the landlord was creepy and harassing her, why didn't her family do something? Amazing.

[SuziQ]

Thanks guys! The cnn links are not taking me to this article or ones that mentions the friend. I really really miss my pc.

[sthayden]

I too was wondering about the wine cooler thing when I read this on CNN. Some people are raised differently though I suppose. I am of the mindset that you should not drink, smoke, do drugs or anything that could potentially damage the baby. Really, what is 9 months without thosse things if your pregnant and maybe a couple more if you decide to breast feed...

[believe09]

If she functioned the same as a 12 or 13 year old, why was she living on her own? Why does grandma have custody of her 2 oldest girls? How the heck was she going to cope with a toddler and a newborn? If the landlord was creepy and harassing her, why didn't her family do something? Amazing.

OK-I know I sound like I am quarterbacking, but hey how about a chat regarding birth control????

Not that I mean to add to the white noise.

Was dad developmentally disabled as well, I wonder.

This story will be appearing in a movie somewhere...it defies belief.

[momtective]

Here are a couple of her myspace pages http://www.myspace.com/371914457
http://www.myspace.com/372368682 both are old but one has pics of her youngest baby.

[southcitymom]

Most women (and of course we don't know whether or not a women did this) who do this (violently take a baby from a pregnant woman) have a history of mental health issues. Very sad story.

[KaylynnCouture]

I just read this on FoxNews. I'm not sure if the article has been posted here yet or not, but according to the article she also has a 4 year old daughter and a 3 year old daughter that live with their grandmother, and then a 1 year old who is now safe with relatives.
I wonder why she had custody of one of her children, but not the other 2?

[KaylynnCouture]

Statements from her boyfriend:
“Turn yourself in or keep running,” Mr. Rodriguez said as he spoke outside his mother's Ives Street house. “The Lord is going to catch up to you. Drop the kid off. Drop the kid off at a hospital.”

“I can't sleep, I can't eat, I can't think,” Mr. Rodriguez said this morning. He appeared to be shaken and had tears in his eyes before he walked away on foot down the street.

“…Cut her up and (expletive) remove the child,” Mr. Rodriquez said. “She (Darlene) hung out with the wrong crowd simply cause she wanted to fit in.”

Also, apparently Mr. Rodriquez is supposed to be getting married to a different woman either today or tomorrow. I wonder if police have checked into her. "Meantime, Mr. Rodriguez was apparently set to be married this week to another woman. Marriage records at City Hall indicate he recently applied for a marriage license. The wedding was due to take place today or tomorrow."

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090729/NEWS/907299994/1116

[KaylynnCouture]

Information from her landlord

The landlord of the multi-unit apartment building, William Thompson, sat in his pickup truck in front of the building this morning. He said he was still trying to make sense of the tragedy, which he said twisted his heart even more when he heard the child was ripped from its mother.

“Yesterday was kind of a crazy day,” Mr. Thompson said. “And last night turned another whole direction.”

Mr. Thompson said he has had an ongoing dispute over trash with Ms. Haynes.

He said another tenant in the building called the Animal Rescue League Monday morning because the tenant was worried about Ms. Haynes' Chihuahua and her cat.
The landlord said the dog and cat are being cared for.

Mr. Thompson has owned the building for seven years and said Ms. Haynes moved into the building in the spring. Mr. Thompson said Ms. Haynes filled a shed in the backyard with trash, and stored trash inside and outside her apartment. He said dirty diapers littered the back stairs.

Mr. Thompson said Ms. Haynes had mental health problems, which he said he was sympathetic to, but he also had to protect his property. The trash was attracting mice to the building.

He said he had written to her to ask her to move on the first of the month.

On Monday, he decided to investigate an odor he thought was caused by more trash in her apartment.

Instead he found a horrific scene, one he can not get out of his head, a body. He immediately called police.

“I thought it was trash under a blanket,” Mr. Thompson said.

He said the walls between the apartments are thin, and the front gate squeaks loudly.

“No way had I thought she was murdered in the bedroom,” Mr. Thompson said. “There was no blood. It was weird - the blanket was wrapped much too tight.”

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090729/NEWS/907299994/1116

[Recovering-Lurker]

Statements from her boyfriend:
“Turn yourself in or keep running,” Mr. Rodriguez said as he spoke outside his mother's Ives Street house. “The Lord is going to catch up to you. Drop the kid off. Drop the kid off at a hospital.”

“I can't sleep, I can't eat, I can't think,” Mr. Rodriguez said this morning. He appeared to be shaken and had tears in his eyes before he walked away on foot down the street.

“…Cut her up and (expletive) remove the child,” Mr. Rodriquez said. “She (Darlene) hung out with the wrong crowd simply cause she wanted to fit in.”

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090729/NEWS/907299994/1116

From same article:

Meantime, Mr. Rodriguez was apparently set to be married this week to another woman. Marriage records at City Hall indicate he recently applied for a marriage license. The wedding was due to take place today or tomorrow.


He had only moved out of the apartment he shared with Ms. Haynes a month ago.

[E-U-R]

Hey guys...
haven't posted in a while but have lurked some and there does not seem to be much progress in the Haleigh at all...
I came here today because I wanted you all to know about this disgusting case in my area that has gotten no media attention except for local stations... follow the link and it pisses me off that since she was not well off in life that other cases similar have gotten media for months and even years... a baby was taken from her womb and she was left dead in her closet... If anyone wants to follow this case I can help since this is my area... there are 3 other articles on here (t&G the local newspaper)and supposedly this is the first one but its not... the original article said the body was so decomposed that they couldn't even identify gender... I feel like this case hits home and i hope you guys take an interest in it...
it has all the reg elements young mother of 3 lost custody of 2 had a restraining order against 3rd baby daddy had custody of baby #3... 3rd baby daddy was supposed to get married today to someone else... last seen last thursday and somehow rotted enough to be unidentifiable in 3 days...
sickening.. please help her guys.. the fetus is still missing...
i know a lot can be said about her lifestyle and stupidity and even the baby daddy but locals up here aren't leaning towards him... and no i don't mean LE i mean people that knew these people... while i don't actually know any of these people personally knowing the wpd they will pin this on the baby daddy no matter what... for some reason i don't think it is... if anyone wants to actually sleuth this again i am extremely local and will help with anything i can...

[E-U-R]

I just read this on FoxNews. I'm not sure if the article has been posted here yet or not, but according to the article she also has a 4 year old daughter and a 3 year old daughter that live with their grandmother, and then a 1 year old who is now safe with relatives.
I wonder why she had custody of one of her children, but not the other 2?

probably had an open dss case on the first 2 and by the time she had the 3rd there was no longer an open case... happens all the time up here in Mass...

[E-U-R]

there is several myspaces and 2 of them have pics of same guy aka tito (the youngest childs baby daddy) if you read her myspace it is obvious that tito left her with the allegations that she would cheat on him again and she herself admits to how desperately she wants him back... as to why he still lived there prob because i'm sure she had free housing and what baby daddy doesn't love to leech off of a baby mamma by living bill free with the excuse "i'm not with you I'm here for my kid you whore etc. etc." I checked tito ms yesterday and as of 7/28 his status said "I'm GOOD"... havebn't checked to see what it says today... you can find him via her ms because good luck just looking for a tito...

[colette]

EUR, this case has gone international. There is a lot of press on this case just look at google news. There are 680 articles. It even has been on the first page of headlines news on google news.

[E-U-R]

as far as when he lived there and if he actually did you can expect the landlord to change his story on that in the near future... he is a slumlord and has all section 8 tenants (free housing) if she also was on section 8 and he knew the bf lived there and did not report it then he (the landlord) would be kicked out of the section 8 program... that means he would no longer be able to get rent for every other apartment in the building and probably would not be able to get rid of the other tenants either...i'm sure that this slumlord does not want to lose his cash cow... expect that part of the story to change officially really soon

[E-U-R]

EUR, this case has gone international. There is a lot of press on this case just look at google news. There are 680 articles. It even has been on the first page of headlines news on google news.
love it... what i posted was put together yesterday morning before it went national.... i was so pissed that no one else had heard about it yet that i posted the same blurb on a lot of sites and sent emails to news people etc... i actually did a copy paste of the wrong (older) thing tat i wanted to say here... so sorry for it seeming out dated ?
I am so glad that you guys are on this already and I'm not kidding I want this one solved... we have lazy police with narrow minds up here and who knows what the hell happened to her... she had already named thefetus and babies born at 8 months can survive... who knows the possibilities

[E-U-R]

has anyone heard of an actual search for the baby? other than hospitals?
we have an insane underground medical thing going on up here... like brazilians that go to their friends for dentist work... spanish ladies going to the back of restaurants to birth their children... not trying to sound stereotypical here but it's true...
i hope that our pd is actually looking for this baby... dumpsters lakes ponds everywhere at best it is definitely a clue... someone either took it out for love because they wanted to keep it or for hate... if he was telling the new wifey to be don't worry baby i just live there i haven't slept with her and then knowing how bad this darlene wanted him back would have made damn sure to drag him to court for a dna test... would have ruined his world if that's the scenario... not only would he lose the wife to be but he would end up having to pay for both kids... when you get welfare there is a thing called a just cause claim up here and what that means is if you can prove that assisting the DOR in going after your childs father for pay back money would be harmful physically or mentally to yourself or the children then you get free welfare and no state dragging baby daddy to court.. then you get free housing and live together absolutely rent free... perfect way to screw te system and most people up here no that... i've known people who have gotten RO against their baby daddy's for that same reason... nothing ever happened they just wanted the court doc for the welfare people...
if this was his kid and welfare found out he would have to pay for 3rd and 4th baby now...

[E-U-R]

blurb she wrote on her myspace wall copy and pasted:

A LIL ABOUT ME FOR YOU. I HAVE 3 KIDS THAT I LOVE WITH ALL MY HEART. I DONT LIKE CHILLING WIT GIRLS COUSE THAY TALK TO MUCH. GARET PRESON BUT IF CROSD WE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS... MY KIDS COME BEFORE ANYTHING I ENJOY DANCEING. GOING TO THE MOVEIS. BUT DONT GET IT TWISTED.I DONT NEED TO DO ALL DAT TO BE WIFEY...font MY BABY 03/27/08 10:30AM R.I.P AND THAT ONE P><
A GOOD MAN. I HAVE A GOOD MAN OR HAD BUT I HOPE I GET THIS CHANCE AND MAKE THINGS WORK OUT THIS TIME I LOVE THIS MAN FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART I THOUGHT NOBODY COULD COME BETWEEN THAT BUT IN THE LONG RUN OR NOT SO MUCH THE LONG RUN BUT I WHAT HIM BACK I NEED HIM BACK.LOL AND MY LIFE FOR GOOD.><MY BABY 03/27/08 10:30AM i lost that special person i dont know if i will ever get him back.i hope so. but he say i am going to cheat on him again in thats not the true. I HAD THAT ONE PERFECT MAN FOR ME I REALLY AND TRULY HOPE HE COMES BACK I AM TRYING EVERYTHING I CAN I LOVE THIS MAN TO DEAD HE BRINGS LIFE AND MY EYES IN HEART WE SUCK BESIDE HE OTHER THOUGH THICK AND THIN I HOPE IT WORKS OUT.LOL

the baby daddy #3/ex boyfriend is named Roberto C. Rodriguez
yet on his myspace his screen name is valentino and on her pics she calls him tito... comments in the telegram and gazette also refer to him as tito... just wanted to clarify that in case it got confusing and in the pics from before 4/08 she refers to him as her babby daddy... when doing a search of her name both myspaces that have a pic are both hers and it seems she was good for forgetting her password...

[mysteriew]

My theory is that it will be a woman she knew. A woman who was having problems with her BF or spouse. They are either arguing a lot or breaking up. The woman will have been saying she is "pregnant." But those close to her may have questions about whether she is pregnant or not. Most likely she isn't part of the mother's crowd, but is somewhere on the periphal edge. Like rode the bus with her or spoke to her at the laundrymat. She may have been helpful to the mother in the past. Offered clothing or groceries or something. So not close, but close enough that the mother would have let her into her apartment.

The woman also has some mental health problems. May or may not have other children. The key is that the woman believes she needs to have the baby in order to save her relationship.

The woman justifies to herself that the woman wasn't a good mother. That she could be a better mother to the baby, and that anyway the baby will solve her problems.

The baby daddy gives me pause, but he would have a hard time hiding the baby if it was him. I mean how would he explain just showing up with a newborn, shortly after his baby momma died?

[E-U-R]

Bet police are looking for the friend who stopped by for the wine coolers.

where did you hear that? is that inside info? I noticed you are from Mass.. do you know the victim or anyone in this case? don't mean to sound assertive towards you but I have not read that anywhere and by your other comments you are not fond of her lifestyle (nor am I) but your post insinuates that she was drinking while pregnant... is that something that you KNOW or just want people to assume?
I actually live in that city and trust me there is trash by the truckload all over that area but unless you actually read that somewhere I wonder why you would say that... there are no reports of her abusing drugs or alcohol only of her mental disabilities... less fortunate definitely but not necessarily your typical local trash... I guess what I am saying is please don't turn a not all there in the head person into a white trash drunk unless you know that for a fact... and if you do know that and read it somewhere then my apologies in advance as I have not yet read that anywhere...

[E-U-R]

My theory is that it will be a woman she knew. A woman who was having problems with her BF or spouse. They are either arguing a lot or breaking up. The woman will have been saying she is "pregnant." But those close to her may have questions about whether she is pregnant or not. Most likely she isn't part of the mother's crowd, but is somewhere on the periphal edge. Like rode the bus with her or spoke to her at the laundrymat. She may have been helpful to the mother in the past. Offered clothing or groceries or something. So not close, but close enough that the mother would have let her into her apartment.

The woman also has some mental health problems. May or may not have other children. The key is that the woman believes she needs to have the baby in order to save her relationship.

The woman justifies to herself that the woman wasn't a good mother. That she could be a better mother to the baby, and that anyway the baby will solve her problems.

The baby daddy gives me pause, but he would have a hard time hiding the baby if it was him. I mean how would he explain just showing up with a newborn, shortly after his baby momma died?

I'm guessing if it were the baby daddy then it was not because he actually wanted the baby... if he did he would have no problem getting custody of it when it was born in less then a month... the courts up here are so pro dad its ridiculous... plus if he were married that would be an added bonus....
i want to know if there were 2 dna's on the blanket if you can cut a baby out without even nicking the baby ten i would assume some sort of med experience (nurse in another country)... also i want to know if they found merconium evidence on the blanket... if the baby went to the bathroom then it was alive at birth.... they need to check all the ponds in the webster square area my guess would be if this was a local hoodlum then they wouldn't have gone far to get rid of the baby...
I feel bad saying it now but me and my friends have an inside joke about this area of the city that there is something in te water because everyone from there looks like mice... literally... i'm not even kidding you could dress someone up in a $5000 outfit and i would be able to tell you if they are from the webster square area just by looking at their face... it's kind of uncanny how tey all look like they have something wrong with them and i don't mean just drugs... this is the poorest neighborhood of the city and if this was a local they prob wouldn't have gone far to ditch the baby and if they did have a friend with a car thhey would have had to give them gas money to go anywhere...

[TxBecca]

where did you hear that? is that inside info? I noticed you are from Mass.. do you know the victim or anyone in this case? don't mean to sound assertive towards you but I have not read that anywhere and by your other comments you are not fond of her lifestyle (nor am I) but your post insinuates that she was drinking while pregnant... is that something that you KNOW or just want people to assume?
I actually live in that city and trust me there is trash by the truckload all over that area but unless you actually read that somewhere I wonder why you would say that... there are no reports of her abusing drugs or alcohol only of her mental disabilities... less fortunate definitely but not necessarily your typical local trash... I guess what I am saying is please don't turn a not all there in the head person into a white trash drunk unless you know that for a fact... and if you do know that and read it somewhere then my apologies in advance as I have not yet read that anywhere...

I know you were not questioning me, but I thought I'd share.

*snipped*
A friend of Haynes told CNN affiliate WHDH that she had received a text message from Haynes at 11:20 p.m. Thursday that said she was having wine coolers with a friend at her apartment. That was the last she heard from her.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/29/massachusetts.fetus/index.html

[Kat]

The reference to the wine coolers was made in a CNN article to which the link is located in post #2 of this thread.

Where and how was the inference of "turning an not all there in the head person into a white trash drunk " made? I did not see it implied within this thread? Thanks in advance.

[southcitymom]

My theory is that it will be a woman she knew. A woman who was having problems with her BF or spouse. They are either arguing a lot or breaking up. The woman will have been saying she is "pregnant." But those close to her may have questions about whether she is pregnant or not. Most likely she isn't part of the mother's crowd, but is somewhere on the periphal edge. Like rode the bus with her or spoke to her at the laundrymat. She may have been helpful to the mother in the past. Offered clothing or groceries or something. So not close, but close enough that the mother would have let her into her apartment.

The woman also has some mental health problems. May or may not have other children. The key is that the woman believes she needs to have the baby in order to save her relationship.

The woman justifies to herself that the woman wasn't a good mother. That she could be a better mother to the baby, and that anyway the baby will solve her problems.

The baby daddy gives me pause, but he would have a hard time hiding the baby if it was him. I mean how would he explain just showing up with a newborn, shortly after his baby momma died?

Great profile - I think you are right on the money!

[SuziQ]

Eur, if you read back a few posts, the wine cooler comment is explaine. No one is trashing mom. But there is a question about why she was drinking when she was pregnant.

[E-U-R]

where did you hear that? is that inside info? I noticed you are from Mass.. do you know the victim or anyone in this case? don't mean to sound assertive towards you but I have not read that anywhere and by your other comments you are not fond of her lifestyle (nor am I) but your post insinuates that she was drinking while pregnant... is that something that you KNOW or just want people to assume?
I actually live in that city and trust me there is trash by the truckload all over that area but unless you actually read that somewhere I wonder why you would say that... there are no reports of her abusing drugs or alcohol only of her mental disabilities... less fortunate definitely but not necessarily your typical local trash... I guess what I am saying is please don't turn a not all there in the head person into a white trash drunk unless you know that for a fact... and if you do know that and read it somewhere then my apologies in advance as I have not yet read that anywhere...
quoting my own for apologies to seem jumpy about the wine cooler thing... it does not say that darlene was partaking in the drinking but here is the link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1202871/Heavily-pregnant-woman-murdered-foetus-ripped-womb.html

[WhyaDuck?]

My theory is that it will be a woman she knew. A woman who was having problems with her BF or spouse. They are either arguing a lot or breaking up. The woman will have been saying she is "pregnant." But those close to her may have questions about whether she is pregnant or not. Most likely she isn't part of the mother's crowd, but is somewhere on the periphal edge. Like rode the bus with her or spoke to her at the laundrymat. She may have been helpful to the mother in the past. Offered clothing or groceries or something. So not close, but close enough that the mother would have let her into her apartment.

The woman also has some mental health problems. May or may not have other children. The key is that the woman believes she needs to have the baby in order to save her relationship.

The woman justifies to herself that the woman wasn't a good mother. That she could be a better mother to the baby, and that anyway the baby will solve her problems.

The baby daddy gives me pause, but he would have a hard time hiding the baby if it was him. I mean how would he explain just showing up with a newborn, shortly after his baby momma died?

All of this is very possible, given the profiles of some other people found guilty of snatching newborns or late term fetuses.

[E-U-R]

I know you were not questioning me, but I thought I'd share.

so now i want to know if the police found the phone... did she really send that text... usually if you ae pregnant trashy or not you don't go bragging about drinking via texts... seems weird to me

[Bee Happy]

I've read several articles and don't see any mention of the friend and the wine coolers? The boston herald has a good article. Steve Huff at the true crime report has a post up with a link to mom's myspace. I can't post links from my bberry and my pc is broken. :(

You should be able to copy and paste links very easily. I do it all the time from my BB.

I too was wondering about the wine cooler thing when I read this on CNN. Some people are raised differently though I suppose. I am of the mindset that you should not drink, smoke, do drugs or anything that could potentially damage the baby. Really, what is 9 months without thosse things if your pregnant and maybe a couple more if you decide to breast feed...

I wouldn't give a newborn a drink, so I surely wouldn't drink while pregnant. But that's JMO.

[Annie]

My theory is that it will be a woman she knew. A woman who was having problems with her BF or spouse. They are either arguing a lot or breaking up. The woman will have been saying she is "pregnant." But those close to her may have questions about whether she is pregnant or not. Most likely she isn't part of the mother's crowd, but is somewhere on the periphal edge. Like rode the bus with her or spoke to her at the laundrymat. She may have been helpful to the mother in the past. Offered clothing or groceries or something. So not close, but close enough that the mother would have let her into her apartment.

The woman also has some mental health problems. May or may not have other children. The key is that the woman believes she needs to have the baby in order to save her relationship.

The woman justifies to herself that the woman wasn't a good mother. That she could be a better mother to the baby, and that anyway the baby will solve her problems.

The baby daddy gives me pause, but he would have a hard time hiding the baby if it was him. I mean how would he explain just showing up with a newborn, shortly after his baby momma died?

It may not be someone she knows. The first story I ever remember reading about where a baby was ripped from a pregnant woman, the woman waited outside a doctor's office and kidnapped a pregnant woman and cut her open with a key. That was a long time ago. But only a few years ago a woman made contact with a pregnant woman through an interest in dogs and went to another state to kill her and take her baby. If the baby's father is involved it could be a case of him wanting the baby and it may be hidden out somewhere with a friend or family member. It may not have even lived after being ripped from its mom a month early under horrible circumstances. He or his girlfriend could have just wanted to get rid of the baby and any future support payments and wanted people to think someone had killed her to get the baby. I just hope they find the baby alive.

[E-U-R]

here's a map of the area
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Worcester+&state=MA&address=94+Southgate+Street

[amandab]

“No way had I thought she was murdered in the bedroom,” Mr. Thompson said. “There was no blood. It was weird - the blanket was wrapped much too tight.”

Bathtub?

[E-U-R]

city trash is picked up on that street every wed morning.... and since we are pinning her time of death right now based on a text that she may or may not have sent, her friend claims she was so lonely she would have let anyone in just to hang out so how long would she have been "missing" before her "friends" noticed? since that statement right there coupled with the fact that even tho her family thought something was wrong when she didn't show up somewhere in prior days yet was still not reported missing says to me that no one really missed tis girl at all... and on the word of a landlord who in one case says he thinks she brought the baby to the boyfriend thursday morning (but does not say he actually saw her... that could be based on afterward knowledge that the dad takes the kid on thurs) and claims that he went there and just assumed it was a trash smell since he had an ongoing trash problem with darlene... who knows how long she was dead and how long he ignored complaints of a smell from neighbors... we had our only heat wave here this past weekend and wrapped in a comforter (not just a blanket) and put in a closet in a house with probably no ac... i'm willing to bet that the ME will not have too accurate of a time of death... even if they (sorry I'm saying this) find maggots who knows how long it took for them to get there as by all other reports her house was already filled with trash and there was probably several generations of flies in the place...
in a nutshell i hope wpd doesn't slack on the manpower or funds to actually check the dump despite trash day

[E-U-R]

Bathtub?
baby removed somewhere else?
and why put her in a closet... if the police were searching they would definitely check the closet were they expecting someone to stop in and wanted to hide her from the naked eye temporarily... wy not just leave her on the floor?
hope they took the drains into evidence... there was also the statement in the same article by the landlord that the walls are thin... is he maybe just trying to cover up neglect of other tenants complaints? was there a blood stain leaking thru to the floor below that he ignored?
if there really was not much blood then why not was her skull fractured without it breaking the skin? if not head wounds bleed the most so where was all the blood then? whatever they used to cut her open must have been really bloody too... did they leave the instrument there? if they took it with them they prob washed it off first... did they check the faucet for prints?

[mysteriew]

It may not be someone she knows. The first story I ever remember reading about where a baby was ripped from a pregnant woman, the woman waited outside a doctor's office and kidnapped a pregnant woman and cut her open with a key. That was a long time ago. But only a few years ago a woman made contact with a pregnant woman through an interest in dogs and went to another state to kill her and take her baby. If the baby's father is involved it could be a case of him wanting the baby and it may be hidden out somewhere with a friend or family member. It may not have even lived after being ripped from its mom a month early under horrible circumstances. He or his girlfriend could have just wanted to get rid of the baby and any future support payments and wanted people to think someone had killed her to get the baby. I just hope they find the baby alive.

There is also the case of the woman who got the woman's name from her want list on baby items on a website on the internet. It is entirely possible of course. But I just don't get that feeling in this case. Talking to her at the Dr.'s office would be a part of her routine.

[impatientredhead]

Bathtub?

Or someone had a lot of time for prep and/or clean up.
You know someone with access to the apartment.
Someone who would not be out of place there.
Someone who could take bags of trash to the dumpster and go unnoticed.
Someone who could not carry the body down by himself.

There is no way to preform an amateur C section in an apartment and not leave blood all over.

[E-U-R]

word to the wise for the non locals... if you want accurate info you should read the telegram and gazette articles.. i just spent a long tim ereading the oter places and it seems the telephone distortions are already starting... trust me this is a worcester reporters dream rigt now and they will go above and beyond to get the story... only downside is if you want to keep accurate tabs then do a copy and paste on every article as i wish i did... T&G does not archive evrything and if there is a conflicted update they delete the original and keep the new story... the original 7/28 story was much more graphic and it says in it that they originally could not identify the gender of the body because it was so severely decomposed and that the blanket could not even be removed from the body for the same reason... it also said that wen the landlord went in the apartment he saw a leg hanging out of the closet... yet now it says that he assumed it was trash in the blanket... things are going to change and it will be important to keep tabs on all local news about this so i just wanted you guys to be aware that t&g is good for not keeping all their articles... save them all while you can

[E-U-R]

and she was in a closet not a cupboard which to me means a cabinet... also a comforter is a very heavy winter blanket not a coverlette or anything light weight... lol our new england terms might get distorted in translation

[mysteriew]

baby removed somewhere else?
and why put her in a closet... if the police were searching they would definitely check the closet were they expecting someone to stop in and wanted to hide her from the naked eye temporarily... wy not just leave her on the floor?
hope they took the drains into evidence... there was also the statement in the same article by the landlord that the walls are thin... is he maybe just trying to cover up neglect of other tenants complaints? was there a blood stain leaking thru to the floor below that he ignored?
if there really was not much blood then why not was her skull fractured without it breaking the skin? if not head wounds bleed the most so where was all the blood then? whatever they used to cut her open must have been really bloody too... did they leave the instrument there? if they took it with them they prob washed it off first... did they check the faucet for prints?

You are talking a woman. Cutting the mother open and removing the baby would mean blood. A mess. A woman is more likely to do it in the bathtub, even though it isn't her home. To make less of a mess.

Wrapping the body there are two theories. Either a type of remorse, to hide the crime or to dehumanize the remains. Probably a combination of both.

LE would have gone over that home looking for prints, for possible weapons and instuments that could have been used in the crime. But they won't show up in the media. That is the type of thing that LE usually won't discuss until they have a suspect or even until trial.

[E-U-R]

Or someone had a lot of time for prep and/or clean up.
You know someone with access to the apartment.
Someone who would not be out of place there.
Someone who could take bags of trash to the dumpster and go unnoticed.
Someone who could not carry the body down by himself.

There is no way to preform an amateur C section in an apartment and not leave blood all over.

right by even still why leave her in the closet unless you are worried about someone else with access to the apartment coming in?... in worcester housing court is a b if this lannlord was in the process of evicting her as the articles say... and he is a low income landlord then he knows that you cannot enter an apartment unless it is an emergency (like leak/fire) and up here she actually could have won a case against him just for doing so... so my question is why would he risk that just over an odor... landlords like this are landlords for the money and only the money... doesn't make sense knowing the local customs/court system/ trends in the court system... and if her own family didn't report her missing wy would he go in out of concern... unless he hadn't seen her in a long time and thought she just abandoned the apartment... i just don't get it

[mysteriew]

Or someone had a lot of time for prep and/or clean up.
You know someone with access to the apartment.
Someone who would not be out of place there.
Someone who could take bags of trash to the dumpster and go unnoticed.
Someone who could not carry the body down by himself.

There is no way to preform an amateur C section in an apartment and not leave blood all over.

Someone who knew that she lived alone. Most of the old cases they either arranged to meet the mother somewhere else, or they took the mother elsewhere to remove the baby and kill her. This time they did it in the apartment- they knew she lived alone and didn't have much company IMO. They may also have known the other baby was scheduled to be with it's father on that night.

[KaylynnCouture]

Here's why an Amber Alert apparently hasn't been issued-

"Police said they have not issued an Amber Alert for the infant because they don't have enough information to go on. The medical examiner ruled Haynes death a homicide."

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/20210933/detail.html

[E-U-R]

You are talking a woman. Cutting the mother open and removing the baby would mean blood. A mess. A woman is more likely to do it in the bathtub, even though it isn't her home. To make less of a mess.

Wrapping the body there are two theories. Either a type of remorse, to hide the crime or to dehumanize the remains. Probably a combination of both.

LE would have gone over that home looking for prints, for possible weapons and instuments that could have been used in the crime. But they won't show up in the media. That is the type of thing that LE usually won't discuss until they have a suspect or even until trial.

run of the mill i would agree with you but knowing that we ave a lazy pd and very lose lipped media leaks starving reporters and a crappy da i don't agree...
we recently got rid of a lot of cops and city trash bags are all identical and yellow... i tend to doubt we are going to have the money/manpower to pull this off... you have no clue how hard it would be to search a dump up here...
we have a lot of lakes and ponds in that area and i haven't heard or seen any searches... we've had homeless dead hookers hiding under cardboard in a busy area in a parking lot go unnoticed... i'm not feeling confident on them finding this baby

[E-U-R]

Someone who knew that she lived alone. Most of the old cases they either arranged to meet the mother somewhere else, or they took the mother elsewhere to remove the baby and kill her. This time they did it in the apartment- they knew she lived alone and didn't have much company IMO. They may also have known the other baby was scheduled to be with it's father on that night.

if true then why not wait until next week or a little closer to her due date for the safety of the baby... my gut is telling me that no one except the mother wanted this baby to be born

[mysteriew]

right by even still why leave her in the closet unless you are worried about someone else with access to the apartment coming in?... in worcester housing court is a b if this lannlord was in the process of evicting her as the articles say... and he is a low income landlord then he knows that you cannot enter an apartment unless it is an emergency (like leak/fire) and up here she actually could have won a case against him just for doing so... so my question is why would he risk that just over an odor... landlords like this are landlords for the money and only the money... doesn't make sense knowing the local customs/court system/ trends in the court system... and if her own family didn't report her missing wy would he go in out of concern... unless he hadn't seen her in a long time and thought she just abandoned the apartment... i just don't get it

What are the neighbors saying? Did they see or hear anything? Even loud music or loud TV? The landlord mentioned the walls were thin.

In most cases this has happened, the perp tried to remove the baby while the mother was still alive. Maybe injured but alive. So there may have been sounds of a struggle, screaming during the c-section. Sounds of a baby crying. Some perps will turn the TV or radio up to try to cover up the sounds.

[E-U-R]

Here's why an Amber Alert apparently hasn't been issued-

"Police said they have not issued an Amber Alert for the infant because they don't have enough information to go on. The medical examiner ruled Haynes death a homicide."

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/20210933/detail.html

doesn't surprise me they aren't even good at putting these out for full born kids never mind possibly dying fetuses

[KaylynnCouture]

Someone who knew that she lived alone. Most of the old cases they either arranged to meet the mother somewhere else, or they took the mother elsewhere to remove the baby and kill her. This time they did it in the apartment- they knew she lived alone and didn't have much company IMO. They may also have known the other baby was scheduled to be with it's father on that night.

I totally agree. It has to be someone she knows.

I wonder if it's someone who's familiar with her lifestyle and wanted to "give this baby a better life" type of thing (or at least that's the excuse/reason they'll give).

[colette]

There was some talk of the landlord being a "slumlord", but there was a clip of the apartment on my Indiana news and the apartments look very nice.

[mysteriew]

if true then why not wait until next week or a little closer to her due date for the safety of the baby... my gut is telling me that no one except the mother wanted this baby to be born

It could have been as simple as when she was telling people her due date was or something else in her life. Like when she thought she could float a story of how she went to the hospital and had the baby. Or if her partner (spouse/BF) left her she may have felt the need to speed things up to get him back. I know it doesn't make sense. But neither does doing a c-section. I mean it would make more sense to wait until she had the baby, then kill the mom and take the baby. But these women don't do that.

[impatientredhead]

if true then why not wait until next week or a little closer to her due date for the safety of the baby... my gut is telling me that no one except the mother wanted this baby to be born

Me too.
This does not seem like a woman stealing a baby scenario to me.
Too much clean up for one, they would have had a newborn to attend to.
No reports about a baby turning up anywhere.

This to me seems like someone who didn't want the baby to be born.
Didn't want a DNA test done- someone who is married, someone who would lose his job if found out?

[KaylynnCouture]

Does anyone know if Rodriguez is the babys father?

If he is, I really think cops need to look into his soon to be new wife.

[mysteriew]

doesn't surprise me they aren't even good at putting these out for full born kids never mind possibly dying fetuses

To do an amber alert they need some type of info- about the baby or the suspect. Did the baby have dark hair or light? Boy or girl? How much did it weigh or how long was it? What did the suspect look like? Dark hair or light, color of eyes, type of vehicle, or anything.

If they just issued an amber alert for a baby that doesn't belong to the person they are with, they will be getting calls on couples and single parents with babies under the age of 1 year, and it is very likely that they would still miss the baby they are looking for. Because the person who took it will swear that it is their baby.

[mysteriew]

Me too.
This does not seem like a woman stealing a baby scenario to me.
Too much clean up for one, they would have had a newborn to attend to.
No reports about a baby turning up anywhere.

This to me seems like someone who didn't want the baby to be born.
Didn't want a DNA test done- someone who is married, someone who would lose his job if found out?

I wonder if they found the placenta?

[impatientredhead]

I wonder if they found the placenta?

They said the body was so decomposed they couldn't determine gender initially so I would guess no.

[E-U-R]

There was some talk of the landlord being a "slumlord", but there was a clip of the apartment on my Indiana news and the apartments look very nice.

by slumlord i meant in that neighborhood you are definitely low income and if not you would never live there... ever .. period..
it is a multi family and by his own admission it was littered with trash

[WhyaDuck?]

To do an amber alert they need some type of info- about the baby or the suspect. Did the baby have dark hair or light? Boy or girl? How much did it weigh or how long was it? What did the suspect look like? Dark hair or light, color of eyes, type of vehicle, or anything.

If they just issued an amber alert for a baby that doesn't belong to the person they are with, they will be getting calls on couples and single parents with babies under the age of 1 year, and it is very likely that they would still miss the baby they are looking for. Because the person who took it will swear that it is their baby.

I agree. In addition to this, if they put too many Amber Alerts out the fear is that people will start to tune them out, especially when people realize that they might not contain anything more than the name of the missing child. That is why there are criteria in place.

[E-U-R]

Does anyone know if Rodriguez is the babys father?

If he is, I really think cops need to look into his soon to be new wife.

going by comments on the t&g article one of the posters refer to her as being named meghan... not sure on the accuracy tho
but why be mad about a second kid if he already had one? unless they supposedly were not sleeping together at the time of conception... embarassment to new wife??? child support deduction to dad?

[mysteriew]

Me too.
This does not seem like a woman stealing a baby scenario to me.
Too much clean up for one, they would have had a newborn to attend to.
No reports about a baby turning up anywhere.

This to me seems like someone who didn't want the baby to be born.
Didn't want a DNA test done- someone who is married, someone who would lose his job if found out?

It doesn't make sense I know. But in old cases, the perps have done this on fetuses as young as 7 months. Sometimes the babies died because they were too young. They might have lived with medical intervention, but because they weren't in the hospital, and the perp was afraid of going to a hospital, they died. Sometimes when they did end up in the hospital, the hospital staff recognized that the child should have been under medical intervention and when hospital staff interveiwed the alleged mother her story wouldn't fit the circumstances.

The perps aren't thinking of the babies. They are thinking only of their own wants and needs. They might say they love and want the baby, but really it is only that they need the baby to try to resolve a problem in their life. So they don't consider the babies wants and needs.

Why do it before the child's birth? I don't know. Psychologically maybe they think that if they participate in the child's birth, that they can become the child's "real" mother???

[E-U-R]

It doesn't make sense I know. But in old cases, the perps have done this on fetuses as young as 7 months. Sometimes the babies died because they were too young. They might have lived with medical intervention, but because they weren't in the hospital, and the perp was afraid of going to a hospital, they died. Sometimes when they did end up in the hospital, the hospital staff recognized that the child should have been under medical intervention and when hospital staff interveiwed the alleged mother her story wouldn't fit the circumstances.

The perps aren't thinking of the babies. They are thinking only of their own wants and needs. They might say they love and want the baby, but really it is only that they need the baby to try to resolve a problem in their life. So they don't consider the babies wants and needs.

Why do it before the child's birth? I don't know. Psychologically maybe they think that if they participate in the child's birth, that they can become the child's "real" mother???

i agree but i just don't think that is the case here...

[mysteriew]

i agree but i just don't think that is the case here...

What is your theory?

[E-U-R]

What is your theory?
not sure really just going on gut instinct right now I guess... which I know doesn't amount to much...
although it does seem to me that all "crazy's" seem to migrate to this area (southgate street and surrounding neighborhood)...
and there are usually 2 ways you get section 8 (free housing) around here... either too many kids or mental issues... and to the comment about how in pic house looks good... section 8 would complain if it wasn't plus worcester has a lot of free money things going on in areas like this to landlords who rent specificly to low income people and improve the exterior of their houses... i forget the name of it but basicly you can hook up your house for free if you live in a dumpy area... its the city's way of looking good lately

[angeleleven]

HLN is about to discuss this topic now.

[colette]

Haysha Toledo, a 17-year-old neighbor, said she often saw Haynes walking in what she called "a nice quiet neighborhood." Toledo said neighbors used to hear fighting from the apartment Haynes shared until recently with her boyfriend, Roberto Rodriguez.

"We used to hear her crying and screaming but no one ever really did anything," Toledo said, adding that neighbors did not want to get involved.

Haynes' aunt, 58-year-old Sandra Grandmaison, told The Boston Herald that Haynes postponed two visits with her older children last week because she said she was having problems walking.

"She was a very sad, very young girl who never really grew up," Grandmaison said. "Darlene does not have the know-how or the ability to sense danger."



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iX4lmm7eKxd1OQhpNwh21wT7fPdwD99OCAE80

[colette]

by slumlord i meant in that neighborhood you are definitely low income and if not you would never live there... ever .. period..
it is a multi family and by his own admission it was littered with trash

The trash was only in the victim's apartment and shed, stairs. It doesn't look trashy on TV.

Per the link from KaylynnCoutre:

Mr. Thompson said he has had an ongoing dispute over trash with Ms. Haynes

Mr. Thompson has owned the building for seven years and said Ms. Haynes moved into the building in the spring. Mr. Thompson said Ms. Haynes filled a shed in the backyard with trash, and stored trash inside and outside her apartment. He said dirty diapers littered the back stairs.

Mr. Thompson said Ms. Haynes had mental health problems, which he said he was sympathetic to, but he also had to protect his property. The trash was attracting mice to the building.

He said he had written to her to ask her to move on the first of the month.

http://www.telegram.com/article/2009...907299994/1116

[E-U-R]

The trash was only in the victim's apartment and shed, stairs. It doesn't look trashy on TV.

Per the link from KaylynnCoutre:

Mr. Thompson said he has had an ongoing dispute over trash with Ms. Haynes

Mr. Thompson has owned the building for seven years and said Ms. Haynes moved into the building in the spring. Mr. Thompson said Ms. Haynes filled a shed in the backyard with trash, and stored trash inside and outside her apartment. He said dirty diapers littered the back stairs.

Mr. Thompson said Ms. Haynes had mental health problems, which he said he was sympathetic to, but he also had to protect his property. The trash was attracting mice to the building.

He said he had written to her to ask her to move on the first of the month.

http://www.telegram.com/article/2009...907299994/1116

i never said the whole building was trashy i said he admitted that he had an ongoing problem with her in regards to her trash... that was in response to someones comment tat the clip of the apartment was nice... i thought they meant the actual apartment not necessarily the building... and he said the apartment was trash littered... as far as this being a nice quiet neighborhood.. BS i am local and no one will ever be able to tell me that ... my neigborhood is not all upscale trust me but this neighborhood she was in is one of the worst in the city...

[E-U-R]

an arrest has been made

[E-U-R]

the baby is okay and it was a woman that stole the baby ... i was wrong...

[WhyaDuck?]

the baby is okay and it was a woman that stole the baby ... i was wrong...

Links?

[mankato64]

www.boston.com...breaking news blurb on the top of their hompage

[WhyaDuck?]

Wow. I'm astonished and thrilled that the baby has been recovered.


BTW:
"Haynes's uncle, Karl Whitney of Palmer, acting as a spokesman for the grieving family, said today that Haynes had already picked out a name, Sheila Marie, for her baby."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/worcester_slay.html

Best wishes to little Sheila Marie - what a way to start out a life.

[WhyaDuck?]

Baby taken from womb found alive

The baby taken from the womb of a Worcester murder victim last weekend has been found alive, and a female suspect in the case taken into custody, authorities said tonight.

Police said they found the suspect in New Hampshire, and are evaluating the baby. No further details were available.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/29/baby_taken_from_womb_found_alive/

[justice4every1]

This link names the suspect...

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/20220097/detail.html

[WhyaDuck?]

This link names the suspect...

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/20220097/detail.html

"In addition to Corey, a male accomplice was also arrested, police said."

hmmmm...

[WhyaDuck?]

Also, I am delighted that I was just able to remove the "missing baby" tag from this thread.


(Now, let's hope they have the right baby, so I don't have to put it back on.)

[foryourwine]

julie corey's possible myspace?

http://www.myspace.com/meenazzwhtgur1

[MaedchenX]

UGH. This is so unbearably heartbreaking, but I am thrilled that the baby has been found safe. That is truly miraculous.

[Salsa]

julie corey's possible myspace?

http://www.myspace.com/meenazzwhtgur1

I'm thinking that's not her...age is off by 3 years. Her hs graduation syncs up to her age as well. Wrong one I'm betting.

[KR2tonenow]

the baby is okay and it was a woman that stole the baby ... i was wrong...

Excellent, thank you for the update!

[momtective]

julie corey's possible myspace?



I don't think so...but maybe this one http://www.myspace.com/junebaby1974
and possibly this one too with baby's pic...but it's private http://www.myspace.com/444327468

[KaylynnCouture]

Thank God the baby was found safe!!!!

Great job LE and everyone who worked on this case.

[kaylenbabysims]

:woohoo: I'm so happy the baby was found!!! :woohoo:

Thanks goodness! :clap:

[colette]

The baby, a girl, was being evaluated at the Plymouth, N.H., hospital where she was found and appeared to be in fair condition, police said.
Police said they were led to Corey because she told friends she had just had a baby, WCVB reported.

"Friends became concerned about how she got home so early after giving birth," Worcester police Sgt. Kerry Hazelhurst said.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8207221&page=1

[SuziQ]

Thanks everyone for the updates.

Welcome home Sheila Marie

[mysteriew]

You've had a sad welcome to this world Sheila Marie. But I very much hope that things will start looking up for you now!

[mysteriew]

Thanks E-U-R for letting us know about the update so soon. The news that she had a male accomplice is strange. I am looking forward to hearing about the circumstances of the case.

[WhyaDuck?]

"According to police, Thompson searched Haynes' home after getting complaints from neighbors about a foul smell coming from the apartment and found her in the closet."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=8207221&page=2

I feel for those neighbours.

[KR2tonenow]

The baby, a girl, was being evaluated at the Plymouth, N.H., hospital where she was found and appeared to be in fair condition, police said.
Police said they were led to Corey because she told friends she had just had a baby, WCVB reported.

"Friends became concerned about how she got home so early after giving birth," Worcester police Sgt. Kerry Hazelhurst said.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8207221&page=1

Wonderful to see the friends being observant and concerned to notify police!

[Fairy1]

Oh my stars! How do these women think they will get away with this?

Please, please, please let this precious little girl be okay!!!

[WhyaDuck?]

Oh my stars! How do these women think they will get away with this?

Please, please, please let this precious little girl be okay!!!

"Thinking" isn't often their strong suit at the time.

From what I understand, a lot of the women who do this do so because they have had a miscarriage or false pregnancy that they did not inform their husband/bf about - they just "pretend" to still be pregnant (some even believe it to be so). Then 9 month mark hits and they panic, leading them to this. They think they'll get away with it because they told people they were pregnant all along. I don't have any idea what the real facts are in this case, but that's the general gist behind a lot of newborn/fetus snatchers.

At first glance, this seems to be the case here, since her friends were wondering not how the heck she ended up with a baby, but why she was released from hospital so soon.

[mysteriew]

"Thinking" isn't often their strong suit at the time.

From what I understand, a lot of the women who do this do so because they have had a miscarriage or false pregnancy that they did not inform their husband/bf about - they just "pretend" to still be pregnant (some even believe it to be so). Then 9 month mark hits and they panic, leading them to this. They think they'll get away with it because they told people they were pregnant all along. I don't have any idea what the real facts are in this case, but that's the general gist behind a lot of newborn/fetus snatchers.

At first glance, this seems to be the case here, since her friends were wondering not how the heck she ended up with a baby, but why she was released from hospital so soon.

Many times too the women are having trouble with their husbands or boyfriends and are fearing the hubbies/bfs are going to leave. They use the pregnancy to try to hold the men to keep them from leaving.

[WhyaDuck?]

Many times too the women are having trouble with their husbands or boyfriends and are fearing the hubbies/bfs are going to leave. They use the pregnancy to try to hold the men to keep them from leaving.

HA - Sorry, Mys - I just remembered you said basically the same thing a few pages ago. There must be an echo in here!

That's what I get for having WS and the dissertation open at the same time. Fried braincells, anyone? :crazy:

[Fairy1]

"Thinking" isn't often their strong suit at the time.

From what I understand, a lot of the women who do this do so because they have had a miscarriage or false pregnancy that they did not inform their husband/bf about - they just "pretend" to still be pregnant (some even believe it to be so). Then 9 month mark hits and they panic, leading them to this. They think they'll get away with it because they told people they were pregnant all along. I don't have any idea what the real facts are in this case, but that's the general gist behind a lot of newborn/fetus snatchers.

At first glance, this seems to be the case here, since her friends were wondering not how the heck she ended up with a baby, but why she was released from hospital so soon.

I appreciate the explanation, but it still doesn't make any sense to me! Guess that's why the majority of women don't do this...

Thank God her friends were paying attention!!!

[Kimster]

Praise the Lord the baby is alive! What a miracle!!!

[WhyaDuck?]

I appreciate the explanation, but it still doesn't make any sense to me! Guess that's why the majority of women don't do this...

Thank God her friends were paying attention!!!

As one of my criminology profs used to say, "Don't try to understand criminals *too* hard, or you might become one."

[mgardner]

Not sure if anyone caught the TLC show this week "I'd Kill for a Baby". I don't agree with these shows -- just gives more ammunition to the psychos. Still mulling over the boyfriend - as this is usually a female crime. My only hope is there is a very slim chance he/she will get away with this. The baby is not far away -- guaranteed!

Best,

Mel

[mgardner]

Oh thank the Good Lord:

The baby of a murdered pregnant Worcester, Mass., woman was found alive in a New Hampshire hospital tonight, ABC News affiliate WCVB in Boston reported.

HLN News is way behind - grrrr....

Why would this Julie person do such a thing! I'm anxious to hear how the baby got to the hospital. If Julie brought her there, or if it was after the arrest.

I can sleep tonight! Prayers to Darlene Haynes, and the sacrifice someone made her give. May Julie rot in hell.

[Busylady]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/30/massachusetts.fetus/index.html

Baby found alive.

[badhorsie]

Another link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8175813.stm

So glad this baby is safe, should be in her mums arms though:mad:

[lizzybeth]

If you look at the first myspace link that momtective posted the person says that their heroes are "All mothers that lose a child and recover". I wonder if she lost a child recently and possibly couldn't have any more?

http://www.myspace.com/junebaby1974

[southcitymom]

Oh my stars! How do these women think they will get away with this?

Please, please, please let this precious little girl be okay!!!

Right - that's the first thing I always think about these cases!! But then, someone who would do something like this is not mentally normal and probably doesn't in the same manner you or I would.

Glad the child is healthy!

[Kat]

I heard that the baby girl was found last night. I was relieved that she is alive and I hope she has someone to help her grow up happy and healthy.

Bless this sweet baby's heart. She and her siblings have been robbed of their Mother, and once this baby is old enough to comprehend fully what happened to her Mother it will be a bitter blow to her I"m sure.

God bless these children of Darlene. May the angels protect them. And may justice be swift for Darlene's murder.

[believe09]

Thank God the little girl was found safe. Given the mom's scattered family situation currently, I wonder if the baby will be given into foster care?

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.wmur.com/news/20220184/detail.html
~snipped~
"Police said Corey had reportedly gone to New Hampshire to relocate. A newspaper report said she arrived at a Plymouth homeless shelter Tuesday night. She told workers there that the girl was 6 days old and identified herself as the mother but had no information on the child, according to the New Hampshire Union Leader.

Corey was arrested Wednesday as she tried to leave the shelter with the infant after workers alerted police and a nurse began photographing the baby with her cell phone, the report said."

and

"Kinneen said, "The baby had a ribbon tied around the umbilical cord -- not your typical umbilical severing device, and with that it's pretty certain this is the baby from the murdered woman."
video at link as well -

[Tonia]

Sheila Marie. What a beautiful name! I am so glad she was found.

[Steely Dan]

Mods I used the search function and didn't find any threads or posts on this.

LINK (http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8207221&page=1)

The baby of a murdered pregnant Worcester, Mass., woman was found alive in a New Hampshire hospital tonight, ABC News affiliate WCVB in Boston reported.

:clap::clap:

[WhyaDuck?]

Thank God the little girl was found safe. Given the mom's scattered family situation currently, I wonder if the baby will be given into foster care?

I hate to say it, but it might be better if she were placed in a new family altogether as soon as possible, so she can have something of a normal life away from a drama of this magnitude. That way she can deal with her life story when she's old enough. I know that might not be a popular thing to say, but it's what I would want if I were unfortunate enough to have been born in this circumstance.

[Recovering-Lurker]

http://www.wmur.com/news/20220184/detail.html
~snipped~
"Police said Corey had reportedly gone to New Hampshire to relocate. A newspaper report said she arrived at a Plymouth homeless shelter Tuesday night. She told workers there that the girl was 6 days old and identified herself as the mother but had no information on the child, according to the New Hampshire Union Leader.

Corey was arrested Wednesday as she tried to leave the shelter with the infant after workers alerted police and a nurse began photographing the baby with her cell phone, the report said."

and

"Kinneen said, "The baby had a ribbon tied around the umbilical cord -- not your typical umbilical severing device, and with that it's pretty certain this is the baby from the murdered woman."
video at link as well -

Thank God those workers alerted police. And also thank God that baby Shelia Marie was found safe. I can't believe it.

[mysteriew]

http://www.wmur.com/news/20220184/detail.html
~snipped~
"Police said Corey had reportedly gone to New Hampshire to relocate. A newspaper report said she arrived at a Plymouth homeless shelter Tuesday night. She told workers there that the girl was 6 days old and identified herself as the mother but had no information on the child, according to the New Hampshire Union Leader.

Corey was arrested Wednesday as she tried to leave the shelter with the infant after workers alerted police and a nurse began photographing the baby with her cell phone, the report said."

and

"Kinneen said, "The baby had a ribbon tied around the umbilical cord -- not your typical umbilical severing device, and with that it's pretty certain this is the baby from the murdered woman."
video at link as well -

Isn't that cute. She is hiding her face from the camera. LOL do you think she doesn't know that today or tomorrow her mugshot will be on front page?

[tekilla]

The story said the baby was found alive in the hospital. How did the baby get to the hospital? I read the storys and not one of them tell how the baby got to the hospital. Was she taken to the hospital or dumped at the hospital? It sounds like some of the story is missing.

[IWannaKnow]

There is a thread for this already:
Woman killed, fetus cut from her body - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

[tekilla]

http://www.wmur.com/news/20220184/detail.html


Police said that the second person with Corey, 27-year-old Alex Dion, was only questioned. The two appear to have lived in the same apartment building as the slain woman, public records show.

[Steely Dan]

http://www.wmur.com/news/20220184/detail.html


Police said that the second person with Corey, 27-year-old Alex Dion, was only questioned. The two appear to have lived in the same apartment building as the slain woman, public records show.

This is a good reason not to jump to conclusions. It seems the ex was the leading suspect and he wasn't involved at all as far as I know.

[cornflakekid]

http://www.wmur.com/news/20220184/detail.html


Police said that the second person with Corey, 27-year-old Alex Dion, was only questioned. The two appear to have lived in the same apartment building as the slain woman, public records show.

That's why I hate apts., no control who your neighbors are

[SuziQ]

I'll look for a link and post it when I come across it. But an article stated today that neighbors heard yelling on the 23rd and also heard a man yell. It appears the man arrested may have been in on the murder as well.

ETA:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535540,00.html?test=latestnews

(snip)
A neighbor told the Herald that she heard Haynes crying out on July 23 during what may have been the deadly attack.
“I heard that girl screaming,” said Fran Oswell. “Mostly it was, ‘Leave me alone. Stop it.’ She was screaming in pain.” She said she also heard a man screaming.

[Steely Dan]

I'll look for a link and post it when I come across it. But an article stated today that neighbors heard yelling on the 23rd and also heard a man yell. It appears the man arrested may have been in on the murder as well.

ETA:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535540,00.html?test=latestnews

(snip)
A neighbor told the Herald that she heard Haynes crying out on July 23 during what may have been the deadly attack.
“I heard that girl screaming,” said Fran Oswell. “Mostly it was, ‘Leave me alone. Stop it.’ She was screaming in pain.” She said she also heard a man screaming.

WTF!! She doesn't own a phone?!! :furious:

[SuziQ]

WTF!! She doesn't own a phone?!! :furious:

ITA about the phone. All it takes is dialing three little numbers. And why was the boyfriend released to a family member? Sounds like he wasn't charged with anything.

[PMLsmom]

Good God - What is is with "unresponsive" (to use a kinder word than the one I REALLY want to use, which would give me a TO) neighbors???????

If I heard one of my neighbors SCREAM, especially an EIGHT MONTH PREGNANT woman, 911 couldn't be called fast enough - And I would foolishly be calling right from their front door.

Glad they found the little girl!

[Annie]

The man with her thought he was the baby's father. I don't understand these men who have a woman faking pregnancy and show up with a baby and they believe their story. That says a lot about their relationship and closeness. (and gullibility)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535863,00.html?test=latestnews

[Bluesky#1]

I hope the neighbor who heard the man screaming can identify who he is and what he was saying. I too am upset that her neighbors didn't know what to do when they heard her screams for help. What a heartbreaking story. If this suspect befriended the victim over the course of her pregnancy with the intent of murdering the victim to steal her child, that is premeditated murder. The accused's BF was living with her in the same apartment complex as the victim so I think he is an accomplice to a crime of premeditated murder. Hopefully the police are concerned with his whereabouts the night of the murder and are checking out his alibi. I can't see this guy not being a POI.

[Steely Dan]

The man with her thought he was the baby's father. I don't understand these men who have a woman faking pregnancy and show up with a baby and they believe their story. That says a lot about their relationship and closeness. (and gullibility)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535863,00.html?test=latestnews

He says Corey told him she gave birth early on July 24.

Dion says he thought he had a "brand-new daughter" and was surprised when police with guns drawn surrounded the car that he, Corey and the baby were in outside a New Hampshire homeless shelter.

Dion was released after questioning. Corey, 35, remains jailed. Authorities are investigating the death of 23-year-old Darlene Haynes, whose mutilated body was found Monday in her apartment. :waitasec:

I hope the neighbor who heard the man screaming can identify who he is and what he was saying. I too am upset that her neighbors didn't know what to do when they heard her screams for help. What a heartbreaking story. If this suspect befriended the victim over the course of her pregnancy with the intent of murdering the victim to steal her child, that is premeditated murder. The accused's BF was living with her in the same apartment complex as the victim so I think he is an accomplice to a crime of premeditated murder. Hopefully the police are concerned with his whereabouts the night of the murder and are checking out his alibi. I can't see this guy not being a POI.

If it wasn't Dion then who was it? Either Dion is an academy award deserving actor who's snowed the police or he wasn't involved. :waitasec:

If he wasn't involved then who might be? :waitasec:

[mysteriew]

He says Corey told him she gave birth early on July 24.

Dion says he thought he had a "brand-new daughter" and was surprised when police with guns drawn surrounded the car that he, Corey and the baby were in outside a New Hampshire homeless shelter.

Dion was released after questioning. Corey, 35, remains jailed. Authorities are investigating the death of 23-year-old Darlene Haynes, whose mutilated body was found Monday in her apartment. :waitasec:



If it wasn't Dion then who was it? Either Dion is an academy award deserving actor who's snowed the police or he wasn't involved. :waitasec:

If he wasn't involved then who might be? :waitasec:

I wonder what Corey's voice sounds like? If she has a deep voice, then from the distance into another apartment, and with no visual cues she may sound like a man.

But if someone was with her, then why would another man do it? What would motivate any other man to accompany a woman to kill another woman and remove her baby? I mean to most people that sounds pretty crazy. And it is very risky. She would gain a baby, what would he gain out of it?

[Bluesky#1]

He says Corey told him she gave birth early on July 24.

Dion says he thought he had a "brand-new daughter" and was surprised when police with guns drawn surrounded the car that he, Corey and the baby were in outside a New Hampshire homeless shelter.

Dion was released after questioning. Corey, 35, remains jailed. Authorities are investigating the death of 23-year-old Darlene Haynes, whose mutilated body was found Monday in her apartment. :waitasec:



If it wasn't Dion then who was it? Either Dion is an academy award deserving actor who's snowed the police or he wasn't involved. :waitasec:If he wasn't involved then who might be? :waitasec:

According to Ms. Hayne's neighbor Fran Oswell's son, Corey has an 11-year-old son from a previous relationship who was/ is living in the apartment. Where would he be? Perhaps his mom dropped him off at relatives but his whereabouts has not be accounted for in these reports. Remember Cory has not been charged in Hayne's death and LE are still determining the facts of the case. I believe it took 2 people to commit this premeditated crime and Ms. Hayne's neighbor stated "I heard that girl screaming. Mostly it was "Leave me alone. Stop it. She was screaming in pain." She said she also heard a man screaming. I hope the neighbors know this man and reveal what he said. I am inclined to believe that the victim was conscious during the attack altho the attackers gave her wine coolers to subdue her. The perp(s) did not wait to carry out the plot until DH passed out, which would have been considerably easier. DH's badly decomed body was found wrapped in a comforter in a closet and I think it would take 2 people to accomplish this.

[Bluesky#1]

WTF!! She doesn't own a phone?!! :furious:

I wonder if any of Darlene's neighbors who heard her painful screams couldn't respond possibly because they didn't have a phone? I would like to hear from the caretaker who planned to evict Darlene for failing to maintain a clean dwelling. I wonder if he lived in the apartment complex and heard the screams as well.

[Kat]

Has the autopsy for the victim been released yet? I am waiting to see.

[WholeLottaRosie]

WTF!! She doesn't own a phone?!! :furious:


My thoughts exactly. Who would hear that and not call police. A horrible story got worse.

[Steely Dan]

I wonder if any of Darlene's neighbors who heard her painful screams couldn't respond possibly because they didn't have a phone? I would like to hear from the caretaker who planned to evict Darlene for failing to maintain a clean dwelling. I wonder if he lived in the apartment complex and heard the screams as well.

Almost everybody has a cell phone. Even the poorest people put cell phones near the top of their lists for needs. Somebody had to have had a cell phone or phone. She could have run out into the street etc. etc...

:cow:

[Bluesky#1]

Almost everybody has a cell phone. Even the poorest people put cell phones near the top of their lists for needs. Somebody had to have had a cell phone or phone. She could have run out into the street etc. etc...

:cow:

I can understand why the neighbors who heard Darlene's agonizing cry for help may have been unwilling to get involved mainly out of concern for their own safety yet they didn't call LE or the Landlord to come and find out what was going on. Hindsight is 20/20. The report does not say if the neighbors were awakened by the antagonizing screams but because the murder possibly occurred around midnight when it was quiet, I think they chose to remain silent and not get involved. By law, no citizen has to get involved in a crime if they don't want to right?. Isn't this the Good Samaritans Law? I heard NG talk about it often. It is hard to hold the neighbors responsible for failing to report this crime because I for one am slow to accept that something this horrendous could actually be happening so denial could have prevented them from acting appropriately.

[Steely Dan]

I can understand why the neighbors who heard Darlene's agonizing cry for help may have been unwilling to get involved mainly out of concern for their own safety yet they didn't call LE or the Landlord to come and find out what was going on. Hindsight is 20/20. The report does not say if the neighbors were awakened by the antagonizing screams but because the murder possibly occurred around midnight when it was quiet, I think they chose to remain silent and not get involved. By law, no citizen has to get involved in a crime if they don't want to right?. Isn't this the Good Samaritans Law? I heard NG talk about it often. It is hard to hold the neighbors responsible for failing to report this crime because I for one am slow to accept that something this horrendous could actually be happening so denial could have prevented them from acting appropriately.

IIRC, the good Samaritans Law protects people from lawsuits if they are in the act of trying to help someone.

[Bluesky#1]

IIRC, the good Samaritans Law protects people from lawsuits if they are in the act of trying to help someone.

In this case are the neighbors lawfully required to call 911? I don't believe they are based on what I heard NG say so could someone clarify this point please?

[Ms.Heather]

http://www.myspace.com/444327468

This myspace belongs to the Julie who had the baby. Notice the status: "Gained alot of weight..."yeah right, cause your getting fat, not cause your pregnant.

Here are pictures of her and her boyfriend (who thought the baby was his) , and the baby...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20090801/NEWS/908010333/0/NEWS06

[Bluesky#1]

http://www.myspace.com/444327468

This myspace belongs to the Julie who had the baby. Notice the status: "Gained alot of weight..."yeah right, cause your getting fat, not cause your pregnant.

Here are pictures of her and her boyfriend (who thought the baby was his) , and the baby...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20090801/NEWS/908010333/0/NEWS06

Although DH's neighbor stated Ms. Corey has an 11-year-old son living with her in the same apartment building as DH, this reports states Ms. Corey has 6 children and none of them are currently living with her. The baby girl is beautiful and I am equally amazed and alarmed to learn that an unqualified medical person(s) could perform what appears to be a Cesarian birth so well. It is possible Ms.Corey had C-sections when she gave birth to some of her other children.

[Bluesky#1]

http://www.myspace.com/444327468

This myspace belongs to the Julie who had the baby. Notice the status: "Gained alot of weight..."yeah right, cause your getting fat, not cause your pregnant.

Here are pictures of her and her boyfriend (who thought the baby was his) , and the baby...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20090801/NEWS/908010333/0/NEWS06

Although DH's neighbor stated Ms. Corey has an 11-year-old son living with her in the same apartment building as DH, this reports states Ms. Corey has 6 children and none of them are currently living with her. The baby girl is beautiful and I am equally amazed and alarmed to learn that an unqualified medical person(s) could perform what appears to be a Cesarian birth so well. It is possible Ms.Corey had C-sections when she gave birth to some of her other children and she was very familiar with this birthing process.

[E-U-R]

blurb she wrote on her myspace wall copy and pasted:

A LIL ABOUT ME FOR YOU. I HAVE 3 KIDS THAT I LOVE WITH ALL MY HEART. I DONT LIKE CHILLING WIT GIRLS COUSE THAY TALK TO MUCH. GARET PRESON BUT IF CROSD WE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS... MY KIDS COME BEFORE ANYTHING I ENJOY DANCEING. GOING TO THE MOVEIS. BUT DONT GET IT TWISTED.I DONT NEED TO DO ALL DAT TO BE WIFEY...font MY BABY 03/27/08 10:30AM R.I.P AND THAT ONE P><
A GOOD MAN. I HAVE A GOOD MAN OR HAD BUT I HOPE I GET THIS CHANCE AND MAKE THINGS WORK OUT THIS TIME I LOVE THIS MAN FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART I THOUGHT NOBODY COULD COME BETWEEN THAT BUT IN THE LONG RUN OR NOT SO MUCH THE LONG RUN BUT I WHAT HIM BACK I NEED HIM BACK.LOL AND MY LIFE FOR GOOD.><MY BABY 03/27/08 10:30AM i lost that special person i dont know if i will ever get him back.i hope so. but he say i am going to cheat on him again in thats not the true. I HAD THAT ONE PERFECT MAN FOR ME I REALLY AND TRULY HOPE HE COMES BACK I AM TRYING EVERYTHING I CAN I LOVE THIS MAN TO DEAD HE BRINGS LIFE AND MY EYES IN HEART WE SUCK BESIDE HE OTHER THOUGH THICK AND THIN I HOPE IT WORKS OUT.LOL

the baby daddy #3/ex boyfriend is named Roberto C. Rodriguez
yet on his myspace his screen name is valentino and on her pics she calls him tito... comments in the telegram and gazette also refer to him as tito... just wanted to clarify that in case it got confusing and in the pics from before 4/08 she refers to him as her babby daddy... when doing a search of her name both myspaces that have a pic are both hers and it seems she was good for forgetting her password...

i was just personal messaged that me posting this blurb instead of a link to it was improper etiquette... i have been told by a moderator in the past that myspace links are not allowed... so i will post blurbs until a moderator tells me not too... sorry if that upsets some...

[E-U-R]

Although DH's neighbor stated Ms. Corey has an 11-year-old son living with her in the same apartment building as DH, this reports states Ms. Corey has 6 children and none of them are currently living with her. The baby girl is beautiful and I am equally amazed and alarmed to learn that an unqualified medical person(s) could perform what appears to be a Cesarian birth so well. It is possible Ms.Corey had C-sections when she gave birth to some of her other children and she was very familiar with this birthing process.

well the first c section was done on cleopatra wasn't it? maybe that much med exp isn't necessary... very disturbing none the less

[E-U-R]

http://www.myspace.com/444327468

This myspace belongs to the Julie who had the baby. Notice the status: "Gained alot of weight..."yeah right, cause your getting fat, not cause your pregnant.

Here are pictures of her and her boyfriend (who thought the baby was his) , and the baby...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20090801/NEWS/908010333/0/NEWS06

that is a totally fake myspace... with a lawyer like lou allois i'm pretty sure he didn't let her log in to her myspace from jail... her last login date is 8/1 which is impossible

[E-U-R]

The story said the baby was found alive in the hospital. How did the baby get to the hospital? I read the storys and not one of them tell how the baby got to the hospital. Was she taken to the hospital or dumped at the hospital? It sounds like some of the story is missing.

the baby was in the car at the shelter with the julie and julie's boyfrien... the cops took the baby to the hospital to get checked

[E-U-R]

Links?

sorry in regards to me not leaving the link when i first found out she was okay i was just listening to the breaking local news and to jumpy to rush... i wanted all of you to know as soon as i did...
some other people that posted the myspace links for darlene... if you do a myspace search of her name within 25 miles of worcester 10 pop up and both that have pics are both hers... she obviously forgot her password at some point and had 2... the pics in both are the same people if you need proof.... there will be a ton of fake ones now but i will post the link for the search page and you can figure out which 2 are hers (1 is of white material on skin)

[Bluesky#1]

well the first c section was done on cleopatra wasn't it? maybe that much med exp isn't necessary... very disturbing none the less

I don't know if the first C-section was done on Cleopatra. I think every woman who has a C-section are educated about the procedure beforehand and through self-examination intimately know where and how to make the incision. Aren't C-section mothers conscious and able to witness the birth of their child? If this is true, then Ms. Corey might have witnessed the entire process several times and that's why she had the confidence to "copycat" the doctors and didn't wait until DH was unconscious. Didn't Ms. Corey complain to the Shelter workers that all her other children had been taken from her? I believe DH statement "that she was having wine coolers with friends" indicates 2 people were in the apartment to commit this crime.

[badhorsie]

well the first c section was done on cleopatra wasn't it? maybe that much med exp isn't necessary... very disturbing none the less


I am a nurse and have had 3 C sections and wouldn't have a clue how to perform one:eek::eek::confused:

[Bluesky#1]

I am a nurse and have had 3 C sections and wouldn't have a clue how to perform one:eek::eek::confused:

I believe you could if you put your mind to it and you knew it was necessary to save someone's life. Ms. Corey desperately wanted DH's baby and she made sure the baby arrived safely IMO. Ms. Corey is not a stranger to the Justice System. She has a criminal history and she is upset as to why she is loosing her children? Staff at the shelter said Ms. Corey's mental problems were evident.

[Kat]

I understand the posts above me are discussing the possibility that the perp knew how to perform a c-section, and possibly knew this from either educating herself and/ or having viewed one performed on herself.

This was not a successful C-section. The Mother was killed. In my own mind that the baby was not killed is just a miracle, honestly.

I see this as a violent assault upon the Mother and on the child. We don't know the extent of the wounds that the Mother received or if she was still alive during the assault to take the child from her womb.

Any autopsy reports as of yet?

I don't see this perp as plotting a C-Section (as we think of C-Sections). I see this as an assault whereby the Mother's life was not even a consideration. And even though the end result was probably to have possesion of the Baby, if that baby had died during the attack or shortly after having been taken from the Mother's womb ~ the baby would have been disposed of without a thought given. Then the next pregnant woman in the perp's sights would have been the target.

JMHO.

[Bluesky#1]

I searched for updates this morning and did not find an autopsy report however found two articles of interest from her uncle and lawyer. In the uncle's article, he thanks Ms. Corey for taking care of the baby and keeping it alive sparing DH's family from more grief. The baby to be named Sheila, is presently in Protective Services until custody arrangements are finalized. First link is by the lawyer representing Ms. Corey and the 2nd is a statement by Darlene Hayne's uncle.


http://www.telegram.com/article/20090731/NEWS/907319991

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090730/NEWS/907309975

[capoly]

Custody in Worcester Womb Case Involves Local Family

Finally, Karl and Beverley Whitney: They are the uncle and aunt of Darlene Haynes. Inside their Breckenridge Street home in Palmer, are several other kids, some special needs. Several were adopted by the family. It's proof, their lawyer says, that makes them the prime candidates for the baby.

http://www.cbs3springfield.com/news/local/52722272.html


From link in Bluesky#1's post 162 (comment by uncle):

Asked if he had any anger at Ms. Corey, Mr. Whitney acknowledged that she may have just lost a child she was pregnant with, and that she may have had emotional issues to deal with. He also said that police have not identified her as Darlene Haynes' killer.

“Like in other cases before it, the case of Julie Corey is a sad thing,” he said. “It has emotional issues with it that I, as a man, could never understand. I saw the highs and lows of my own wife when she was pregnant. There are strong emotions. I'm on two sides of the fence on the matter.

“I don't want to say anything too soon. I don't know if she killed Darlene. She is only charged with kidnapping. If she didn't, I want to know why she took the baby.

“I am grateful that she took care of the baby and nourished it. I'm grateful that she kept her alive. If she hadn't, this would have had a sadder ending.”


Just want to tape shut my cynical side and believe 100% that this man is as good as his words and actions.

[Bluesky#1]

"The State wants custody too but DSS has been tight-lipped throughout the case and now it's been impounded...that means all details from here on out won't be public".

Perhaps this is why we weren't given access to the autopsy report. This is disappointing news.

I believe Ms. Corey's actions prove she had faith she could deliver this child alive. It is possible DH had a previous C-section since this was her fourth pregnancy, so all Ms. Corey had to do was reopen the scar. I googled C-section and watched an illustration of the procedure and it really is quite simple. Considering DH's limited cognitive skills, I cannot understand why she was allowed to live independently without daily living support from a community mental health centre. I am appaled to learn that altho the landlord was legally justified in evicting DH because she was incapable of complying with health and safety standards, he was literally leaving an 8-month old woman homeless without feeling any remorse for his actions. I feel he should have contacted DH's social worker and demanded help for her. I suspect Ms. Corey heard DH had received an eviction notice for the beginning of the month and therefore she adjusted her schedule to carry out her plot before DH moved out of the building.

Because Darlene's Aunt and Uncle who are well known by Darlene and her 3 children are said to be the most suitable candidates to take custody of baby Sheila, I do not share this opinion because they saw the tragic circumstances under which Darlene was living and they did not seek help for her. IMO Darlene was incapable of living independently and she should have been living in either a special needs group home or living independently with the support of a community health worker / nurse and on some form of birth control. DH's personal needs were never assessed adequately and she was left alone to rot in despair and no one gave a dam.

[octobermoon]

Mass. woman charged with murder in womb-cut case

BOSTON (AP) -- A woman who authorities believe faked her own pregnancy was charged Thursday with killing her pregnant friend, cutting her baby girl from her womb and kidnapping the infant.

Julie Corey, 35, was initially charged with kidnapping after authorities found her and the 4-pound girl in a homeless shelter in Plymouth, N.H., in July. On Thursday, a Worcester County grand jury returned indictments charging Corey with both kidnapping and murder.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CUT_FROM_WOMB?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US