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Fairy1
07-30-2009, 08:15 PM
TUCUMCARI, N.M. (KRQE) - Scott Simpson is Tucumcari's recreation director, but on Wednesday he was strapping on a gun to protect his daughter from her ex-boyfriend furloughed from jail by a sympathetic judge.Two days after Moses Earl Ingram walked out of jail on a promise to behave Anber Simpson was brutally beaten at her home. She’s too scared to go on camera.
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_tucumcari_system_fails_brutalized_stalk ing_victim_200907300041
By some miracle, this woman is still alive. But the POS is currently free and I will not be one bit surprised if we're reading about her murder at his hands in the future.
teonspaleprincess
07-30-2009, 08:26 PM
I pray that she recovers fully and does what she has to do to get away, even if it means uprooting her life until this bastard is caught!
SewingDeb
07-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Your link didn't work for me but I found one through google:
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_tucumcari_system_fails_brutalized_stalk ing_victim_200907300041
I hope they find him soon and keep him locked up this time. It really makes me angry that she wasn't told of the hearing or his release. What is the prosecutor thinking? The article says the judge is supposed to ask the prosecutor if the victim has been notified and if the answer is no, the perp should not have been released.
Fairy1
07-30-2009, 08:42 PM
Your link didn't work for me but I found one through google:
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_tucumcari_system_fails_brutalized_stalk ing_victim_200907300041
I hope they find him soon and keep him locked up this time. It really makes me angry that she wasn't told of the hearing or his release. What is the prosecutor thinking? The article says the judge is supposed to ask the prosecutor if the victim has been notified and if the answer is no, the perp should not have been released.
Sorry SD - I think I've fixed my post so the link will work - but thanks for putting this one up.
It's bad enough that the laws in such cases are so lacking. But even the safeguards in place are failing. Incompetence is so par for the course these days, but in a situation like this, it's truly a matter of life and death!
mysteriew
07-30-2009, 09:05 PM
He's sorry? He's freakin sorry? If he is a judge then he knows that DV abusers, dating relationship abusers, and stalkers will return to harrass the victim over and over. And way too often it turns violent! He says he has "empathy" for the victim. Yeah, right. And how many times has he released abusers before just because the abuser wants to? And how many times will he do it again after this? He needs to contact his local DV org. and talk to some of the victims. And he needs to take some classes about how to handle DV cases. He could contact the states that have set up specialized DV courts and see how a DV case is supposed to be handled.... in a way that will support the victim and keep her safe!
No comment???? The DA works for the public, but he won't freakin answer to the public? He is supposed to be the one who works for the safety of the public. But did he? Nah. That's OK, I can probably guess his excuse. It was probably too much work. It was just another DV case anyway. And they would probably go back together anyway. And maybe, just maybe he might have been justified in hitting her!!!! This one doesn't need classes. He needs a new job!!!
When I calm down, maybe I will come back and tell you how I really feel!
mysteriew
07-30-2009, 09:16 PM
According to a poster who commented on the article, this isn't the first time for this guy. According to the poster Brookesmom, he also did it to her. And according to her, the town is afraid of the guys family and wouldn't do anything to him.
Fairy1
07-30-2009, 09:45 PM
According to a poster who commented on the article, this isn't the first time for this guy. According to the poster Brookesmom, he also did it to her. And according to her, the town is afraid of the guys family and wouldn't do anything to him.
No, not the first time. This guy has a significant criminal record including, among other things, violence against women. In light of that very fact, why, when HE SAID he would kill her, would anyone have reason to believe he was just kidding?
I sincerely hope she is in a very safe place until they find this POS because I do believe he WILL kill her given half a chance. I'm half hoping her daddy has the opportunity to use that firearm! :furious:
mysteriew
07-30-2009, 09:56 PM
No, not the first time. This guy has a significant criminal record including, among other things, violence against women. In light of that very fact, why, when HE SAID he would kill her, would anyone have reason to believe he was just kidding?
I sincerely hope she is in a very safe place until they find this POS because I do believe he WILL kill her given half a chance. I'm half hoping her daddy has the opportunity to use that firearm! :furious:
I think everybody is supposed to take comfort in the fact that as soon as the judge heard about the second beating he issued a bench warrant! Oooohh that'll scare him! Considering that he was under arrest when he beat her the second time!
If they ever take him back into custody I wonder what his excuse will be to get out again??? Maybe that his mommy wants him?
LOL Fairy1, I was trying to calm down. Do you think that telling me that he has a record of similar crimes yet they still let him out is going to help me calm down?
LOL, this chit pizzez me off. I am not a judge or a DA but I have enough sense to know you don't do this with DV. Why don't they?
Fairy1
07-30-2009, 10:04 PM
I think everybody is supposed to take comfort in the fact that as soon as the judge heard about the second beating he issued a bench warrant! Oooohh that'll scare him! Considering that he was under arrest when he beat her the second time!
If they ever take him back into custody I wonder what his excuse will be to get out again??? Maybe that his mommy wants him?
LOL Fairy1, I was trying to calm down. Do you think that telling me that he has a record of similar crimes yet they still let him out is going to help me calm down?
Sorry! But I think we should ALL be outraged! I posted this story because I want people to be pizzed off that things like this continue to happen day after day after day.
I spend a great deal of my time here on the missing persons forums and I can tell you that there are scores of missing women who have most likely been murdered at the hands of their husbands or S/O's. This is why!
mysteriew
07-30-2009, 10:23 PM
DV counselors tell the victims that they are in danger and need to get away from abusive partners. That they need to take their situations seriously.
Many in judicial system say that there isn't any sense in following through on abuse cases, because the women will just go back to the men. Some of the judicial system have said they have seen some of the women who seemed more "abusive" than the men. That every couple has the right to have "disagreements." That even if they arrest the guy the women will just beg to have the charges dismissed.
I've read some DV statements/complaints about the system. They say that they can't leave an abuser because he will just come after them and hurt them worse. That the system doesn't take them seriously. That the courts won't punish the abuser or even attempt to keep the abuser away from their victims. That even with a restraining order he can still come after them. And that even if they file charges, they just get pleaded down or dismissed in court.
Now if LE and the court don't take DV seriously and treat it as a serious and dangerous offense, why should the women ever believe it is?
PeteyGirl
07-31-2009, 02:44 AM
I was in a potentially violent DV situation three years ago. I got a protective order which in effect kicked my ex out of the house.
He made several attempts to get to me. Each time I called 911, even if I only HEARD he was out trying the gate to the property. I carried a 9mm hand gun that he himself taught me to shoot. I would have blown his head off, and still will, without remorse or hesitation.
That said, it was up to ME to enforce that protective order. There was no way in hell the police or sheriff could come save my life, even if they were on the next block. It was my responsibility to either protect myself as best I could or get the hell out and disappear (which I did, a year and a half ago).
In my experience with this, it doesn't matter HOW seriously LE takes DV. *I* have to take it seriously. And I'm alive today, at least unharmed physically, because of it.
Even having been a "victim" of a violent person, I have trouble sympathizing with women who won't take the steps to protect themselves.
Angels_Not_Forgotten
07-31-2009, 11:47 AM
I was in a potentially violent DV situation three years ago. I got a protective order which in effect kicked my ex out of the house.
He made several attempts to get to me. Each time I called 911, even if I only HEARD he was out trying the gate to the property. I carried a 9mm hand gun that he himself taught me to shoot. I would have blown his head off, and still will, without remorse or hesitation.
That said, it was up to ME to enforce that protective order. There was no way in hell the police or sheriff could come save my life, even if they were on the next block. It was my responsibility to either protect myself as best I could or get the hell out and disappear (which I did, a year and a half ago).
In my experience with this, it doesn't matter HOW seriously LE takes DV. *I* have to take it seriously. And I'm alive today, at least unharmed physically, because of it.
Even having been a "victim" of a violent person, I have trouble sympathizing with women who won't take the steps to protect themselves.
wow. just wow. I truly ache for the position you were in as I was once (ok a few times) a victim in a similar situation as you, but for the love of baby Jesus, really? It's not a RIGHT to be able to live in this country without having to strap yourself? Then why DO we have the judges and juries. I agree with some of what you say that women need to protect themselves more, but to have trouble sympathizing? oh well to each their own...
believe09
07-31-2009, 01:25 PM
It's age old-he said he would harm these women and he did. If he had assaulted a stranger he would have served more time than he did for assaulting a partner.
THIS is my issue with our judicial system. Deep down, there is still that sense of ownership in a domestic partnership that somehow includes "rights" to the other person.
'Cause you know how women can be...they are hormonal, they exaggerate, I didn't mean to do it and I will never do it again judge. Pinky swear. Wink Wink.
GPS these folks as if they were SO's, at least. Put an involuntary hold on them...something.
mysticrose
07-31-2009, 01:55 PM
I am so sorry this happened to this woman. I am all to familiar with this situation. One of my ex's nearly killed me when I was 18 almost broke my neck. I finally got the courage to leave after that, it was almost three years to the day of abuse. My mom rescued me :). The police were no help at all, and I mean at all! I hope and pray they find this man and lock him away and that this poor woman makes it through all this emotionally and physically...
Fairy1
07-31-2009, 10:07 PM
I was in a potentially violent DV situation three years ago. I got a protective order which in effect kicked my ex out of the house.
He made several attempts to get to me. Each time I called 911, even if I only HEARD he was out trying the gate to the property. I carried a 9mm hand gun that he himself taught me to shoot. I would have blown his head off, and still will, without remorse or hesitation.
That said, it was up to ME to enforce that protective order. There was no way in hell the police or sheriff could come save my life, even if they were on the next block. It was my responsibility to either protect myself as best I could or get the hell out and disappear (which I did, a year and a half ago).
In my experience with this, it doesn't matter HOW seriously LE takes DV. *I* have to take it seriously. And I'm alive today, at least unharmed physically, because of it.
Even having been a "victim" of a violent person, I have trouble sympathizing with women who won't take the steps to protect themselves.
I'm happy to hear you were able to get out of an abusive situation and have learned how to protect yourself. And I agree that women need to be strong enough to do that. It sounds like you're still looking over your shoulder, and IMO, that's no way to have to live.
Seems this girl did everything she could do. She did leave and she took the necessary legal actions to keep him away from herself. Short of picking up and leaving her life, what should she do? She didn't let him out of jail to visit his friggin kids! We all know that restraining orders are useless. And honestly, if this POS is as determined to kill her as it seems, a gun may not even be enough to save her.
I don't see any reason for women who DO get out of abusive relationships to have to live in fear for the rest of their lives. We need tougher legislation and enforcement. I guarantee if it were men getting the carp beat out of them by women, things would be much different.
I hope they find this guy soon.
mysteriew
07-31-2009, 10:28 PM
I was in a potentially violent DV situation three years ago. I got a protective order which in effect kicked my ex out of the house.
He made several attempts to get to me. Each time I called 911, even if I only HEARD he was out trying the gate to the property. I carried a 9mm hand gun that he himself taught me to shoot. I would have blown his head off, and still will, without remorse or hesitation.
That said, it was up to ME to enforce that protective order. There was no way in hell the police or sheriff could come save my life, even if they were on the next block. It was my responsibility to either protect myself as best I could or get the hell out and disappear (which I did, a year and a half ago).
In my experience with this, it doesn't matter HOW seriously LE takes DV. *I* have to take it seriously. And I'm alive today, at least unharmed physically, because of it.
Even having been a "victim" of a violent person, I have trouble sympathizing with women who won't take the steps to protect themselves.
First of all, let me congratulate you and the others who survived a relationship where DV was involved. Getting out means that whatever you did, you did right for you and your reward was that you survived.
To an extent I can agree with you. A woman who has an abusive partner has to take it seriously herself. But what would have happened do you think that when you got that protective order, they didn't serve it on him like has happened to others? Or lets say they came out and talked with him and talked to you, then said oh well you both have bruises so we just want one of you to leave. Even after you have told them that during the abuse you fought back? Or when you made those 911 calls to LE, if they had just told him he was being a bad boy and he should leave.... then left without taking any other action? As has happened in other cases. Or let's say you get him arrested, and soon after you got the paperwork done on it, he is calling or showing up. Because he is out on his own recognizance with an "instruction" not to contact you? As has happened with other women. Or the arrest happens, you go to court and the judge tells the guy he did wrong, gives him a fine and sends him back to harrass the woman again?
You end up with only two choices. You can get a gun and determine to shoot him as you did. Or like most women, you can give up. If the cops won't help, how can you be expected to get away from a man who is determined to make you stay?
Not all women can handle carrying a gun. Not all women can make the determination to shoot a human being, let alone someone they loved or once loved. And not all women feel emotionally capable of explaining to their children why they killed the children's daddy.
mysteriew
07-31-2009, 10:41 PM
It's age old-he said he would harm these women and he did. If he had assaulted a stranger he would have served more time than he did for assaulting a partner.
THIS is my issue with our judicial system. Deep down, there is still that sense of ownership in a domestic partnership that somehow includes "rights" to the other person.
'Cause you know how women can be...they are hormonal, they exaggerate, I didn't mean to do it and I will never do it again judge. Pinky swear. Wink Wink.
GPS these folks as if they were SO's, at least. Put an involuntary hold on them...something.
If a man breaks into a womans home assaults her and/or threatens to kill her or rapes her, he will go to jail. But if LE finds out that the man once had a relationship with her, that changes the story. Suddenly it isn't assualt, or rape. It is domestic violence. A couple fighting. Suddenly it seems less serious. Questions enter about did she deserve it. And "justice" seems less necessary. Suddenly it seems that it is less about "justice" and more about "keeping the peace." But it is still just as dangerous.
mysteriew
07-31-2009, 10:45 PM
Sorry! But I think we should ALL be outraged! I posted this story because I want people to be pizzed off that things like this continue to happen day after day after day.
I spend a great deal of my time here on the missing persons forums and I can tell you that there are scores of missing women who have most likely been murdered at the hands of their husbands or S/O's. This is why!
LOL, I wasn't really hollering at you. It is just that the whole issue of DV makes me angry. This judge isn't the only one. He is just one judge, but he represents so many others just like him.
Fairy1
08-01-2009, 12:08 AM
LOL, I wasn't really hollering at you. It is just that the whole issue of DV makes me angry. This judge isn't the only one. He is just one judge, but he represents so many others just like him.
Oh I know you weren't mad at me! I'm very happy to have you and your opinions here. This case represents a HUGE problem in our society - that must be corrected ASAP! :blowkiss:
Fairy1
08-11-2009, 10:05 PM
I can't believe they haven't caught this POS yet.
mysteriew
08-12-2009, 02:59 AM
You know how it goes Fairy. Out of sight, out of mind.... at least on the part of the justice system. This "couple" embarrassed the judge (*sarcasm* the guy may have been the beater, but the woman most likely had some fault too.) To bring the guy back means the topic would come up again. So out of sight, out of mind. If he is a good boy and stays away, then he is "safe." If he shows up and attacks or kills the woman, then they will land on him with both boots! Too bad about the woman, but it is his fault.
I am sorry about all the sarcasm, but I am so tired of the way that DV assaults seem to be ignored, glossed over and then forgotten.
This woman won't be able to forget. She will be jumping at every sudden sound, looking behind her, and be scared to death. And so will her family and friends. And with good reason. If this guy read the article about the father carrying a gun and intending to protect her, then if he does return, he will be armed and prepared to kill anyone who stands between him and her.
Judges never seem to get the fact that stalkers are like sex offenders in that they don't just quit. A stalker can keep it up for years. The stalker may back off for a time, to let things settle down, but can show up later just as they were doing before. Except they are angrier. This guy has allegedly done this before. He knows the game and knows how to play it. And he has gotten by with it before, and has no reason to believe that he won't get out of this this time too.
impatientredhead
08-12-2009, 08:57 AM
I was in a potentially violent DV situation three years ago. I got a protective order which in effect kicked my ex out of the house.
He made several attempts to get to me. Each time I called 911, even if I only HEARD he was out trying the gate to the property. I carried a 9mm hand gun that he himself taught me to shoot. I would have blown his head off, and still will, without remorse or hesitation.
That said, it was up to ME to enforce that protective order. There was no way in hell the police or sheriff could come save my life, even if they were on the next block. It was my responsibility to either protect myself as best I could or get the hell out and disappear (which I did, a year and a half ago).
In my experience with this, it doesn't matter HOW seriously LE takes DV. *I* have to take it seriously. And I'm alive today, at least unharmed physically, because of it.
Even having been a "victim" of a violent person, I have trouble sympathizing with women who won't take the steps to protect themselves.
I think some women have a false sense of security having a protective order in place, others are in flat out denial that they really will be killed.
A protective order only serves to give the police reason to arrest them if they show up AND the police can get there in time. It makes just their presence a crime, but as you have lived it will not save you from some intent on harming you and especially from someone who thinks they have nothing to lose anyway.
It falls in the "unfair" catagory but if you truly believe a man like this will harm you it is unrealistic to think you are just going to go about life in the same house, the same town, in the same routine because it is not fair to have to uproot your life. It won't be fair when he kills her either.
My MIL had a protective order when she was killed, in her home, with the brand new alarm system, and panic button around her neck. Didn't do a thing to stop someone who wanted her dead. She was adamant that she would not leave her home, and I respect that decision and it was hers to make, but it had a really high pricetag. Not that there was any guarantee he wouldn't have done it if she was in another state, with all bills and property in another name.... but out of sight and out of the house he felt belonged to him had much better odds.
impatientredhead
08-12-2009, 09:01 AM
You know how it goes Fairy. Out of sight, out of mind.... at least on the part of the justice system. This "couple" embarrassed the judge (*sarcasm* the guy may have been the beater, but the woman most likely had some fault too.) To bring the guy back means the topic would come up again. So out of sight, out of mind. If he is a good boy and stays away, then he is "safe." If he shows up and attacks or kills the woman, then they will land on him with both boots! Too bad about the woman, but it is his fault.
I am sorry about all the sarcasm, but I am so tired of the way that DV assaults seem to be ignored, glossed over and then forgotten.
This woman won't be able to forget. She will be jumping at every sudden sound, looking behind her, and be scared to death. And so will her family and friends. And with good reason. If this guy read the article about the father carrying a gun and intending to protect her, then if he does return, he will be armed and prepared to kill anyone who stands between him and her.
Judges never seem to get the fact that stalkers are like sex offenders in that they don't just quit. A stalker can keep it up for years. The stalker may back off for a time, to let things settle down, but can show up later just as they were doing before. Except they are angrier. This guy has allegedly done this before. He knows the game and knows how to play it. And he has gotten by with it before, and has no reason to believe that he won't get out of this this time too.
I think they only really move on in one of two cases:
a. they haven't escalated their behavior to that point yet, but are well on the road
b. they find another object of obession and a future victim of their stalking
The most common murderer of a wife or girlfriend is a narcissistic man who engages in domestic violence. It is a dangerous combo.
Lanie
08-12-2009, 09:47 AM
http://www.qcsunonline.com/news/clovis-7464-tucumcari-murder.html
"A Tucumcari fugitive charged with attempted murder was arrested Monday afternoon in the parking lot of a Clovis eatery.
Acting on a tip, Clovis police and Curry County deputies located Moses Earl Ingram in a vehicle at Pops Place on Main Street, according to Clovis Police Capt. Patrick Whitney."
Lanie
Lanie
08-12-2009, 10:22 AM
I just have to add my two cents to this. I think it is appalling this man was ever let out, however, I have to ask myself what would possess this woman to ever get involved with this guy in the first place.
I'm not trying to be cold-hearted, but if you are going to choose to get involved with a guy who goes around beating up women, well, is it really that big of a surprise what happens next?
I agree with the poster above, women need to get more pro-active about protecting themselves, and a good start would be a healthy dose of self-worth and common sense.
Lanie
Fairy1
08-12-2009, 11:39 AM
[quote=Lanie;4039088]http://www.qcsunonline.com/news/clovis-7464-tucumcari-murder.html
"A Tucumcari fugitive charged with attempted murder was arrested Monday afternoon in the parking lot of a Clovis eatery.
Acting on a tip, Clovis police and Curry County deputies located Moses Earl Ingram in a vehicle at Pops Place on Main Street, according to Clovis Police Capt. Patrick Whitney."
Thanks Lanie! I didn't find this article when I was searching for updates last night. It's great news!
And I agree that many women should exercise better judgement in choosing significant others. But once the horse is out of the barn, as in this case, LE needs to do a better job of protecting victims - particularly when they have been harmed while under protective order.
Hopefully, an attempted murder conviction will keep this POS locked up for a long time.
wonders
08-12-2009, 11:51 AM
I'm sorry but I was wondering if someone could tell me what POS is? TIA.
Lyn1001
08-12-2009, 12:32 PM
I'm sorry but I was wondering if someone could tell me what POS is? TIA.
Another term for piece of s......
wonders
08-12-2009, 02:13 PM
Another term for piece of s......
Ooooo. LOL. I just couldn't figure it out. Thank you so much.
Angels_Not_Forgotten
08-12-2009, 02:23 PM
I just have to add my two cents to this. I think it is appalling this man was ever let out, however, I have to ask myself what would possess this woman to ever get involved with this guy in the first place.
I'm not trying to be cold-hearted, but if you are going to choose to get involved with a guy who goes around beating up women, well, is it really that big of a surprise what happens next?
I agree with the poster above, women need to get more pro-active about protecting themselves, and a good start would be a healthy dose of self-worth and common sense.
Lanie
Do you HONESTLY think he walked up to her and said Hi i'm ___________. I like to beat women and children and rape animals in my down time. These guys more often than not, are VERY good con artists. I have to admit though, I now run background checks on all new friends/acquaintances. Just can't believe anyone nowadays.
ziggy
08-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Sorry but if it were me I would need a good dose of "just tie his hands behind his back, look the other way and give me a baseball bat". No more knee caps for that guy.
I WISH women would be a little tougher, a little wiser, but there are those who never will.
Perhpas all of us here can help others avoid being these kind of victims.
I support the 2nd amendment for this very reason - nobody needs to protect themselves more than women - who we see as prey on this site everyday. AND who cannot, repeat CANNOT be protected by the police or the system. Should they want or need to, I firmly believe they must have the RIGHT to the option to arm themselves.
Don't mean to get OT on the Constitution - I apolgize but it always seems so relevant to me in these cases.
Lanie
08-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Do you HONESTLY think he walked up to her and said Hi i'm ___________. I like to beat women and children and rape animals in my down time. These guys more often than not, are VERY good con artists. I have to admit though, I now run background checks on all new friends/acquaintances. Just can't believe anyone nowadays.
No, it is my understanding she was well aware of his past, and he had just been released from jail for assaulting his previous woman when she hooked up with him.
There are a lot of women out there who don't know what kind of man they have hooked up with until they are picking themselves up off the floor. However, the reality is too many women go into a relationship knowing full well what kind of violent past a man has. Those women don't deserve what they end up getting, but it would be a lot easier to avoid if they were able to understand if he beat up the last one, and especially the one before that, it's best to just walk away. Personally, I don't care how nice a guy with a history like that may seem, my physical well-being and life is too important to me to gamble with.
Lanie
mysteriew
08-14-2009, 01:27 AM
No, it is my understanding she was well aware of his past, and he had just been released from jail for assaulting his previous woman when she hooked up with him.
There are a lot of women out there who don't know what kind of man they have hooked up with until they are picking themselves up off the floor. However, the reality is too many women go into a relationship knowing full well what kind of violent past a man has. Those women don't deserve what they end up getting, but it would be a lot easier to avoid if they were able to understand if he beat up the last one, and especially the one before that, it's best to just walk away. Personally, I don't care how nice a guy with a history like that may seem, my physical well-being and life is too important to me to gamble with.
Lanie
Usually what happens in that case, is his victim gets the blame. She was a so and so. She hit on him all the time and once he lost it. Or she was lying, nothing violent happened but LE believed her. They are indeed con artists, and quite good at making themselves believable. He will convince her that the previous victim was such a bad person, and that she deserved what happened. And that it either didn't happen or she pushed him to it. She will never believe that it will happen to her. Either because the other woman deserved it, or because she thinks he would never treat her that way. Until she hits the floor at least.
I'm not dating any more. But when my DD meets a new guy I usually run his name looking for criminal history on him. A DV usually means I am on her rear saying to stay away from this guy. I have told her that if she hooks up with a known abuser, don't expect sympathy from me unless she is walking away from him (that's more a threat, I wouldn't be able to follow through.) And yes, she knows I run the men's names. I've found some interesting things doing it this way!
RayStar
08-14-2009, 06:27 AM
Unbelievable. I just read this thread. It sounds to me the judge is of the mind that a woman in beneath a man and deserves whatever a man gives her.
I hope he never gets out now. I truly hope the young lady recovers both physically and mentally.
mysteriew
08-14-2009, 11:51 PM
Glad to see that they have him in custody. It will be interesting to find out if now that he has "embarrassed" the judge, will they actually do anything to him? Wonder if he is out on bail now? Will he actually get a sentence or will he be given "time served pay the court some money and go home."
Fairy1
08-15-2009, 12:24 AM
Glad to see that they have him in custody. It will be interesting to find out if now that he has "embarrassed" the judge, will they actually do anything to him? Wonder if he is out on bail now? Will he actually get a sentence or will he be given "time served pay the court some money and go home."
I can't imagine they would let him out on bail! IMO, the judge embarrassed himself! IIRC, this POS and his family have quite a reputation around town. I do think this woman would have known about his past and never should have gotten tangled up with him. Still, he tried to kill her and he, hopefully, will have to pay for that.
mysteriew
08-15-2009, 01:41 AM
I can't imagine they would let him out on bail! IMO, the judge embarrassed himself! IIRC, this POS and his family have quite a reputation around town. I do think this woman would have known about his past and never should have gotten tangled up with him. Still, he tried to kill her and he, hopefully, will have to pay for that.
Allegations have been made that he had a previous criminal history and a previous history of DV. IMO he shouldn't have gotten bond in the first place. But the judge gave him bond despite his history and despite possible danger to his current victim. Sorry but I don't feel reassured that this judge will now keep him in jail.
songline
08-16-2009, 12:01 PM
Do you HONESTLY think he walked up to her and said Hi i'm ___________. I like to beat women and children and rape animals in my down time. These guys more often than not, are VERY good con artists. I have to admit though, I now run background checks on all new friends/acquaintances. Just can't believe anyone nowadays.
The first time you sense he is mean spirited or controlling is the time to say DONE NOT FOR ME.
Yes most of them would be con man, but their disposition to be unkind or disrespectful can not be under wrap for to long.
I agree with the poster that said we as women have to have more self worth and stay away from men who are not good man.
I am thrilled he has been caught.
I pray she will not only heal but get some therapy and really heal.
This Judge should be ashamed of himself. He does not operate for the best of all concerned
That should be his job. IMHO there are many judges that should be forced to step down.
mysteriew
08-18-2009, 12:16 AM
The first time you sense he is mean spirited or controlling is the time to say DONE NOT FOR ME.
Yes most of them would be con man, but their disposition to be unkind or disrespectful can not be under wrap for to long.
I agree with the poster that said we as women have to have more self worth and stay away from men who are not good man.
I am thrilled he has been caught.
I pray she will not only heal but get some therapy and really heal.
This Judge should be ashamed of himself. He does not operate for the best of all concerned
That should be his job. IMHO there are many judges that should be forced to step down.
He had had a really really bad time at work. He was drunk, drinking, drugging at the time. There is something wrong with him, he promises he will get help. And he just flipped when she made him angry. Those excuses usually start with the abuser. An "explanation", an apology, then treating her special for a time afterwards (almost like he treated her in the beginning).
The excuses start with the abuser. And it is really easy for a person to believe that this guy who treated them so great in the beginning, who was so generous, caring, sensitive, helpful, etc. etc. could maybe have slipped one time. And he was so tearful, so apoligetic, so upset and he didn't really mean to do it. He would never abuse her, it was just a one time thing. He really loves her and she loves him too. Besides, she will think guiltily "I argued with him too." By the time she quits believing that, it is beyond that. It becomes more like, I couldn't survive on my own, I made him angry so I deserve it, and then on to he will kill me if I leave.
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