Jermaine Controversy (?)

[amysmom]

I saw him again on LK last nite & he seems like a very nice guy who really loved his brother so I am very :confused: about some things I recently learned about him re: a very nasty book he supposedly planned to publish about MJ & a very nasty song he supposedly did write & sing about MJ prior to the 2003 trial.

The book (8 page proposal) he denied but Stacy Brown claims to have proof & the song was recorded IF in fact this is legit..I have no clue & honestly do not know what to think about any of it! :waitasec:

http://www.mediatakeout.com/users/COLOREDGIRL/76916/jermaine_jacksons_explosive_tell-all_book_dishes_dirt_on_michael_jackson


http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Germaine+jackson+book&page=1&qsrc=2106&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hiphopmusic.com%2Finane%2Farchi ves%2F2006%2F03%2Fjermaine_jackso.html


http://thecount.com/2009/08/07/jermaine-jackson-word-to-the-bad-lyrics/

[Lexington]

I saw Jermaine on LK Friday night and again he is coming out with the whoppers.

1. He was unaware of any drug use by Michael.
2. When questioned about Klein being the father, he said if anyone saw the kids with Michael they would know Michael is the father. (LK didn't specify biological).
3. He said he didn't know the results from the family's private autopsy.

He lies with such grace and charm, you can't really believe anything he says, or know what he is really about.

[Amity]

I know it's not too popular of an opinion but.....

I didn't care much for him several years back and I really, really don't care for him now.

Call me cynical but that very first interview he did just after his brother's death raised all kinds of gut alerts with me.

And now that his memorial song is going to be out there for sale, he's going to be really busy talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[Miss Muffet]

Call me cynical but that very first interview he did just after his brother's death raised all kinds of gut alerts with me.
During that first interview with Larry King, I found it odd that he was describing what he meant to Michael, not what Michael meant to him.

JERMAINE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON'S BROTHER: I'm lost for words. I was his voice and his backbone. I had his back. So did the family. But we thank you. That's all I can say. We thank you very much.

http://www.westwoodone.com/pg/jsp/larryking/transcript.jsp;jsessionid=29EB2DBD523F65E57BD4FD8A 603B4AE7?pid=27242

At the same time, I was impressed when he said that he thought Michael's wishes should be honored and nobody should contest his will.

I guess he only meant the guardianship part of the will since his own mother is challenging the executor/trustee part that pertains to the money.

[oceanblueeyes]

I do think at times in their lives that Jermaine and Michael may have had problems. When I think of it I can see the how it would be easy to highly resent Michael since Michael was seen as the true star out of the Jackson 5. After MJ became such a phenomenal sensation it is only natural that Jermaine wanted to do things to bring that down. Sibling rivalry is not just for young siblings. It can go on for all of their lives as they compete for attention and build up huge resentments.

I believe though what happened in Jermaine's petty quest to do so and still try to make a buck off the back of MJ he was distanced by the family. He just does not seem to be included in the inner circle now, imo. So I suppose Jermaine got what he gave and now feels he must once again use his brother's name to try and make himself a star again. I think that is why Jermaine has never changed his hair style over the years. He is always ready to go just in case someone does want him to appear somewhere.

I am sure he too has some regret on the things he has said in a moment of jealous and wanting to be noticed. I think he and LaToya are very much alike.

So now all the Jermaine can do is try to talk about the kindness of his brother and what all he accomplished. The petty jealous is over between them for he no longer has to face MJ being the alive superstar in his family.

It had to be hard coming from a family that had the world's greatest entertainer in it and the competition within the boys had to be off the charts.

Has the song ever been released? I have never heard of such a song.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

I saw Jermaine on LK Friday night and again he is coming out with the whoppers.

1. He was unaware of any drug use by Michael.
2. When questioned about Klein being the father, he said if anyone saw the kids with Michael they would know Michael is the father. (LK didn't specify biological).
3. He said he didn't know the results from the family's private autopsy.

He lies with such grace and charm, you can't really believe anything he says, or know what he is really about.

I am not sure he is lying and I am not even sure how often Jermaine saw his brother. To him he is looking at it technically that he never saw MJ taking drugs which is what has been said by numerous people that were around him. Evidently he did it in privacy.

I think the answer that he gave about MJ being the father is the correct answer. He was the children's father.

I am not so sure either that Jermaine has been made abreast of any details. The family knows he likes to do tv interviews and to keep him from blabbing they may have not told him the results. He seems to be out of the loop.

imo

[Miss Muffet]

I do think at times in their lives that Jermaine and Michael may have had problems. When I think of it I can see the how it would be easy to highly resent Michael since Michael was seen as the true star out of the Jackson 5. After MJ became such a phenomenal sensation it is only natural that Jermaine wanted to do things to bring that down. Sibling rivalry is not just for young siblings. It can go on for all of their lives as they compete for attention and build up huge resentments.

I believe though what happened in Jermaine's petty quest to do so and still try to make a buck off the back of MJ he was distanced by the family. He just does not seem to be included in the inner circle now, imo. So I suppose Jermaine got what he gave and now feels he must once again use his brother's name to try and make himself a star again. I think that is why Jermaine has never changed his hair style over the years. He is always ready to go just in case someone does want him to appear somewhere.

I am sure he too has some regret on the things he has said in a moment of jealous and wanting to be noticed. I think he and LaToya are very much alike.

So now all the Jermaine can do is try to talk about the kindness of his brother and what all he accomplished. The petty jealous is over between them for he no longer has to face MJ being the alive superstar in his family.

It had to be hard coming from a family that had the world's greatest entertainer in it and the competition within the boys had to be off the charts.

Has the song ever been released? I have never heard of such a song.

oceanblueeyes, I couldn't agree with you more on this one!

What you described is common in families. I'm sure it's magnified in a family where one person has the recognition and power.

Janet is the sibling who impresses me the most. She truly seems to have strong morals.

I was glad she refused to allow her name to be included in the family statement that there was no intervention.

I get the sense that Michael himself played a huge part in his manipulating everyone through threats to cut them off.

Janet didn't let those types of threats influence her. She seemed to always do what she thought was best.

[Miss Muffet]

I am not so sure either that Jermaine has been made abreast of any details. The family knows he likes to do tv interviews and to keep him from blabbing they may have not told him the results. He seems to be out of the loop.
I wish they'd put Joe out of the loop too! His interviews are just as painful to watch!

[oceanblueeyes]

I wish they'd put Joe out of the loop too! His interviews are just as painful to watch!

I try so hard to just ignore Joe. It too has to be hard on his ego to know he is no longer in control of anything.

I think, he, like Jermaine, just needs to be the center of attention and of course using MJ once again to get it.

imo

[jon_burrows]

The title of Jermaine's song is "Word to the Badd."

Lyrics:

What up yo,
word to the badd
Reconstructed
Been abducted
Don’t know who you are
They may love you
they don’t know you
Lonely superstar
never think about who you love
only think about number one
You forget about where you started from
You only think about what you want
don’t care about how it’s done
you only think about you, your throne
Be it right or be it wrong
It ain’t about your world
It ain’t about the things that you do
If you don’t care, I don’t care
Cause you keep thinkin’ ’bout you
It ain’t about you takin’ my pie
You been takin’ for a long time
If you don’t care, I don’t care
If you keep
Well I ain’t thinkin’ ’bout you
What up yo, word to the badd
Once you were made
You changed your shade
Was your color wrong?
Could not turn back
It’s a known fact
You were too far gone
You know I tried to be there for you
Like a brother I care for you
It didn’t matter you always play me off
You only care about what you want
You don’t care about how it’s done
You only think about you, your throne
Be it right or wrong
It ain’t about your world
It ain’t about the things that you do
If you don’t care, I don’t care
Cause you keep thinkin’ ’bout you
It ain’t about you takin’ my pie
You been takin’ for a long time
If you don’t care, I don’t care
If you keep
Well I ain’t thinkin’ ’bout you
Oh no no, I ain’t thinkin’ ’bout you
Oh no
What up yo, word to the badd
Thinkin’ about that pie that you’ve been takin’ from me
From a brother to another brother hard to believe
Lost and don’t know it yet you still show it
Givin’ seems to be harder than it is to receive
The glass has gotten shady, time to make it clearer,
Clean it up and lets start with the Man in the mirror.
Theres sadness there brother, aint no mistaken it,
Get a grip cause youre not far from breakin it.
Thinkin about the time when we used to be close,
It shouldnt be past tense, cause nobody knows,
What the future may hold, what tomorrow might bring,
Its not guaranteed that youll be spreading your wings
But meanwhile, I continue to smile, cause in the back of my head,
I know you’re still a child
You say that your a man, but that will never be

[jon_burrows]

"Word to the Badd" is on youtube:

YouTube - Word to the Badd (Original Michael diss version) - Jermaine Jackson

[oceanblueeyes]

How many records did JJ sell on this release?

I have never heard of it before.

I think Jermaine carries a lot of resentment against his brother because MJ wouldn't bail him out every time he wanted money or let him ride MJs coat tail.

I think he was jealous that MJ was highly successful and he wasn't when they grew up.

No wonder they say MJ wasn't close to Jermaine. I wouldn't be close to my brother either if he was trying to bad mouth me to make himself look better hoping someone would notice him too. Pathetic.

imo

[Boyz_Mum]

I'd never heard of this song before today. I tried to see how many copies of the album were sold, I'm not finding any numbers for it.

[amysmom]

I'd never heard of this song before today. I tried to see how many copies of the album were sold, I'm not finding any numbers for it.

Me either! :waitasec: I did find you can get it on Ebay now & IIRC (from something I read) it was played mostly on urban radio stations at the time it was released.

[amysmom]

Does this mean the $$$ goes to the estate & NOT Jermaine? I hope so!

http://news.webindia123.com/news/articles/Entertainment/20090809/1314512.html

Jackson's estate and Apple's iTunes store were given the thumbs up and could sell songs and videos of Jermaine Jackson's performance of "Smile", reports the BBC.

[oceanblueeyes]

Does this mean the $$$ goes to the estate & NOT Jermaine? I hope so!

http://news.webindia123.com/news/articles/Entertainment/20090809/1314512.html

Jackson's estate and Apple's iTunes store were given the thumbs up and could sell songs and videos of Jermaine Jackson's performance of "Smile", reports the BBC.

Since it says specifically "performance" then it will not be him recording it again but of the actual singing at the memorial and I would think any money made off of MJs death would go into his estate... less of course what Apple iTunes will get. I am sure the Administrators though will give Jermaine some amount of money for the actual singing of the song.

JMO though.

[2goaliemom]

How many records did JJ sell on this release?

I have never heard of it before.

I think Jermaine carries a lot of resentment against his brother because MJ wouldn't bail him out every time he wanted money or let him ride MJs coat tail.

I think he was jealous that MJ was highly successful and he wasn't when they grew up.

No wonder they say MJ wasn't close to Jermaine. I wouldn't be close to my brother either if he was trying to bad mouth me to make himself look better hoping someone would notice him too. Pathetic.

imo
Absolutely agree with you. Watched LKL Friday - the end of the show with Shawn King said it all. Michael's favorite charity isn't even in the mix for this "Tribute" - seemed to me like just cashing in on MJ's fame. The question is why wasn't Michael close with Jermaine in later life - like he had been when he was a kid - jealousy seems to be one of the answers.

[i.b.nora]

I found what seems to me to be a reasonable explanation about the Badd song.

What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"? (http://www.mjcafe.net/the%20legend%20speeches%20&%20faq/c8.htm)

"In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael."

The article is quite short and well worth the read.

[amysmom]

I am not sure he is lying and I am not even sure how often Jermaine saw his brother. To him he is looking at it technically that he never saw MJ taking drugs which is what has been said by numerous people that were around him. Evidently he did it in privacy.
imo

snipped

I get your point BUT! he had to know about the drugs & JJ too who just recently claimed he knew nothing about it either :rolleyes:

Besides, I do believe Jermaine planned to throw MJ under the bus with that book & that they were involved in at least one of the many planned interventions..There was also the few xs MJ did go to clinics for help.

All of this makes them both LIARS & also makes them look pretty darn foolish trying to deny it.

[amysmom]

I found what seems to me to be a reasonable explanation about the Badd song.

What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"? (http://www.mjcafe.net/the%20legend%20speeches%20&%20faq/c8.htm)

"In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael."

The article is quite short and well worth the read.

TY! Its great to know Jermaine ended up getting exactly what he deserved!
:woohoo:

the single and album were commercial failures due to public contempt over the cynical attack on Michael. Jermaine was dropped from his Arista contract soon after and remains unsigned to any label.

[Mygirlsadie]

I heard Jermaine say in a interview that he didn't really write that song for Michael that he wrote it for Michael's ''people'' because they wouldn't allow Jermaine to get near Michael so he needed to do something to get Michaels attention so he would get a hold of him... Jermaine will never be as talented as Michael no matter how hard he tries. Nobody will ever be as big as Michael Jackson he was one of a kind he had ''it''.




I found what seems to me to be a reasonable explanation about the Badd song.

What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"? (http://www.mjcafe.net/the%20legend%20speeches%20&%20faq/c8.htm)

"In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael."

The article is quite short and well worth the read.

[amysmom]

Absolutely agree with you. Watched LKL Friday - the end of the show with Shawn King said it all. Michael's favorite charity isn't even in the mix for this "Tribute"

snip & bold by me

I was disgusted :mad:

Larry (who seems to be a personal friend to Jermaine) made sure Mrs. King got her snoot involved too..Ugh!

[2goaliemom]

bold by me

I was disgusted by it! :mad:

Me too Amysmom - I think that I was hoping for more from Jermaine - and when LK said there was an "announcement" - I couldn't wait - thinking Jermaine was going to do something for Michael - then Shawn and the announcement - that did it for me. I want the family to do right by MJ - so far, all I've seen is a media frenzy and people trying to cash in on MJ fame - even his brother:confused:

[amysmom]

I heard Jermaine say in a interview that he didn't really write that song for Michael that he wrote it for Michael's ''people'' because they wouldn't allow Jermaine to get near Michael so he needed to do something to get Michaels attention so he would get a hold of him... Jermaine will never be as talented as Michael no matter how hard he tries. Nobody will ever be as big as Michael Jackson he was one of a kind he had ''it''.

I do not believe this pitiful excuse JERMAINE! & the words are still the words no matter who it was meant for & whether it ever got released or not.

[amysmom]

Since it says specifically "performance" then it will not be him recording it again but of the actual singing at the memorial and I would think any money made off of MJs death would go into his estate... less of course what Apple iTunes will get. I am sure the Administrators though will give Jermaine some amount of money for the actual singing of the song.

JMO though.

I already envision an open hand & it belongs to JERMAINE! I have no doubt he will demand royalties IF it is allowed.

[Miss Muffet]

I heard Jermaine say in a interview that he didn't really write that song for Michael that he wrote it for Michael's ''people'' because they wouldn't allow Jermaine to get near Michael so he needed to do something to get Michaels attention so he would get a hold of him...
I wonder if the Jacksons truly believed that Michael's people were responsible for keeping them away.

Friends who were close to Michael have made it clear that Michael clearly dictated who he would or would not see.

I think the lyrics to Jermaine's song also prove that it was Michael, not his handlers.

It sort of blows my mind that the Jacksons publicly accusing 'others' of cutting them off.

Oh, and if Jermaine was truly Michael's 'backbone' then how could he not know about the drugs.

Jermaine can't have it both ways.

[shana]

I found what seems to me to be a reasonable explanation about the Badd song.

What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"? (http://www.mjcafe.net/the%20legend%20speeches%20&%20faq/c8.htm)

"In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael."

The article is quite short and well worth the read.

Thanks, nora. Also the tuber's comments at the above link provided by jon burrows offers a 5-part explanation that sounds reasonable too and matches in great part the one you provided.

[shana]

This exchange at the very end of the 1:1 interview was most revealing to me. I wanted/expected so much more, even if what Jermaine might have said could be labeled sappy, trite, whatever...

Instead, we have him bringing it back to himself once again, all about me,Me,ME.

Bolding mine:

KING: What would you say to him if you could speak to him, one last -- if you had another moment with him?

J. JACKSON: I -- I would just -- if he was here in the flesh --

KING: Yes.

J. JACKSON: I'd -- I would just joke with him like we always did. The last time I saw him, we were singing a song together and so I said, "Michael, I love the way you did that, that song we were singing."

(SINGING)

J. JACKSON: The song was so nice. And he was -- he was singing the harmony. And so we started singing harmony together. And I said, "Michael, I loved what you did on that song."

He said, "Thank you. That means a lot coming from you."

KING: So you would sing together?

J. JACKSON: Yes.

Source LINK (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/07/lkl.01.html)

[oceanblueeyes]

I noticed that too, shana and actually thought it was a odd thing to say.

Surely if MJ came back he would have more to say than that to him, don't you think?

imo

[wallflower67]

I found what seems to me to be a reasonable explanation about the Badd song.

What is the story behind "Word to the Badd!"? (http://www.mjcafe.net/the%20legend%20speeches%20&%20faq/c8.htm)

"In November 1991, a new single, "Word to the Badd!", by Jermaine Jackson was leaked to Los Angeles radio station KPWR. The DJ began to play the single continuously in alternation with MJ's new single "Black or White". The lyrics were a no-holds-barred attack on Michael."

The article is quite short and well worth the read.

I read somewhere...I think Wikipedia, that the brothers agreed to for Jermaine to change the lyrics to "from brother to brother" to "lover to lover" (or something along those lines...don't want to go read the whole thing again) and some other lyrics. So when it was released, it sounded like it was about a bad breakup.

I bought one of Jermaine's albums that was relased about the same time Thriller was. Some of the songs had some airplay. At the time I didn't think much of it. I was an MJ fan and I thought, cool, this is his brother. Now, listening to them, it is so obvious that MJ completely blows Jermaine out of the water!

Jermaine also did a duet with Whitney Houston...."If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful."

[shana]

I noticed that too, shana and actually thought it was a odd thing to say.

Surely if MJ came back he would have more to say than that to him, don't you think?

imo

Indeed. Yes, absolutely, one would think he would have more to say and words in direct response to the question as well.

I think Jermaine has a difficult time with interviews in terms of telling the truth.

I'll leave it at that, rather than speculate just why I think that is. ;->

[Miss Muffet]

shana and ocean,

I agree with both of you on this. I've lost three close family members. I think of what they meant to me, how I'm so lost without them. I don't think about what I meant to them----except if I felt I had failed in some way. I would never think "I was so important in their lives." But MAYBE I would have thought that way if I were not recognized in a will.

That's what I think this is all about. I think Jermaine's responses are the result of not being left anything in the will. He's trying to establish himself as important to Michael---if only in his own mind perhaps. Maybe it's surpressed guilt. IMO, most likely he feels he needs to justify his relationship with Michael because the world knows Michael didn't leave him a penny. That's what this family has always done----spun the truth for the public relations.

[oceanblueeyes]

Indeed. Yes, absolutely, one would think he would have more to say and words in direct response to the question as well.

I think Jermaine has a difficult time with interviews in terms of telling the truth.

I'll leave it at that, rather than speculate just why I think that is. ;->

I was expecting him to tell Larry something like this "Oh Larry, I would hug and hold my brother so tight and tell him over and over how much I love him and what he means to me" but it sure didn't even come close to that.

Still being the self promoting pitch man.

imo

[amysmom]

I cant find anything re: the outcome of this threat..hmmmmmm!

http://site2.mjeol.com/mj-related/jermaine-jackson-releases-statement-through-attorney-re-stacy-brown-allegations.html

Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) March 16, 2006 -- "Mr. Jackson contends that the proposal for the book does not state what Mr. Brown now allegedly claims it states. While his motives are unknown, Mr. Brown's alleged false and malicious fabrications about the proposal or the alleged use of a doctored, false, and unauthorized proposal serve only to expose him to potential liability for making untrue statements

[amysmom]

shana and ocean,

I agree with both of you on this. I've lost three close family members. I think of what they meant to me, how I'm so lost without them. I don't think about what I meant to them----except if I felt I had failed in some way. I would never think "I was so important in their lives." But MAYBE I would have thought that way if I were not recognized in a will.

That's what I think this is all about. I think Jermaine's responses are the result of not being left anything in the will. He's trying to establish himself as important to Michael---if only in his own mind perhaps. Maybe it's surpressed guilt. IMO, most likely he feels he needs to justify his relationship with Michael because the world knows Michael didn't leave him a penny. That's what this family has always done----spun the truth for the public relations.

Being left nothing in the will of a family member def sends a very LOUD message but I am convinced the 40% left to mom was meant for all of them..She will probably find a way to provide for them even after she is gone too..So what will be left to go back to his kids? It probably wont be nearly as much as some expect but my guess is MJ knew what he was worth after death so 40% (& more) will be a heck of a lot of $$$ to split 3 ways..If he was at all concerned this was not true then I think it would be 60% to kids, 30% to mom, & 10% to charity.

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/15/jermaine-jackson-vienna-tribute-concert/

Jackson Familly Shut Out of Jermaine's Plans

Jermaine Jackson is learning a hard lesson -- the Jackson family doesn't take kindly to kinfolk who make promises on their behalf without even bothering to tell them.

You know the big flap over the Vienna Tribute concert -- where Jermaine was spearheading a special show and touting that members of Michael Jackson's family were behind it? Well family sources tell us the family is ticked that Jermaine used them to sell tickets. The family, we're told, never agreed to participate. In fact, Tito told us he was never even invited.

The family isn't happy with J.J. because the concert may now be in jeopardy and stories are being written that the brood caused the concert to crumble.

Bottom line -- Jermaine was out on his own (again) pitching his stuff and the family was out of the loop.

[SuziQ]

I read somewhere the other day, can't remember where, that Jermaine threw out some big names as appearing at this concert. One of which was Madonna. A bunch of reps for these big names were busy the other day denying they were ever part of this or had been contacted about this. So here is what I want to know....Who the heck did Jermaine plan to have on stage when all the ticket holders showed up for the show? AFAIK, there has been no one commited to performing at this concert.

Jermaine is starting to look like a flim flam man and is truly his father's son. I'm beginning to think that MJ cut the family off and held on to the Jackson 5 rights to protect them from being lost forever through bad deals and rediculous actions of his family.

Thank god the estate has executors that are not family members. Otherwise the entire estate would be run into the ground and broke in two years.

[i.b.nora]

LARRY KING'S WIFE DITCHES JACKO TRIBUTE (http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132009/gossip/pagesix/count_me_out_184256.htm)

"August 13, 2009 --

ON second thought, Shawn King won't be singing a duet with Jermaine Jackson in Vienna on Sept. 26 at the big Michael Jackson tribute Jermaine is trying to put together. Just hours after Page Six revealed yesterday that President Obama, Whitney Houston, Madonna and other "confirmed talent" would not be attending, Larry King's wife, an accomplished country singer, pulled out. Her spokesman cited "prior commitments," adding, "She still has great love and respect for Jermaine.""

LOL!!! After she was shamelessly hawking it on her husband's show just the other night.

[i.b.nora]

http://www.tribute2009.com/

You gotta see his website for the show, before it disappears. If I had a brother like Jermaine and a father like Joe, I would suffer from insomnia as well.

[2goaliemom]

Thank you Ocean and ibnora - I thought this would happen - when Jermaine announced on LKL with Shawn - it set my hinky hairs moving

[farrah]

I posted this on another thread, but because of the Jermaine mention at the end, thought it should be on this thread too:

Michael Jackson's Deep Freeze

Michael Jackson has not been buried, multiple family sources tell us. We're told he's above ground at Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills and is being kept in a freezer.

We're told Katherine has frequently visited the temporary resting place.

As for where the body is eventually going ... no decision yet. We're told Jermaine is the lone family member who wants Neverland as Michael's final resting place. The rest of the family is appalled by Jermaine's wish, because M.J. hated Neverland after the molestation trial and wanted nothing to do with it.
Increasingly, Jermaine is becoming estranged from the rest of the Jackson brood.




http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/15/michae...d-forest-lawn/

[Mygirlsadie]

I really hope this Tribute show works out. It's a beautiful thing and it is for a good cause. I think Jermaine is really hurting right now obviously I don't agree with everything that has happened in the past between him and his brother BUT it's no different then 'issues' that every other family has. We just don't have our family problems put under a microscope for the world to see and analyze and judge etc.. Lets try and give this a chance!

[Miss Muffet]

Being left nothing in the will of a family member def sends a very LOUD message but I am convinced the 40% left to mom was meant for all of them..She will probably find a way to provide for them even after she is gone too..So what will be left to go back to his kids? It probably wont be nearly as much as some expect but my guess is MJ knew what he was worth after death so 40% (& more) will be a heck of a lot of $$$ to split 3 ways..If he was at all concerned this was not true then I think it would be 60% to kids, 30% to mom, & 10% to charity.

Katherine won't have control over her 40%. Trusts are designed to give people allowances.

She very well might be able to provide for the family while she is alive through her allowance, but it will be impossible for her to do after she dies.

[Lexington]

The Trust could also be set up so that only the interest is distributed and the principal not touched. Michael may have allowed Katherine to get only a small amount of money each year during her lifetime. Wish we could see that Trust Agreement.

[amysmom]

The Trust could also be set up so that only the interest is distributed and the principal not touched. Michael may have allowed Katherine to get only a small amount of money each year during her lifetime. Wish we could see that Trust Agreement.

But IF it is a large amount (way more then she needs) is there anything to prevent her from forking over some to the rest of the family now or IF she chooses to put it away & leave it to them after she is gone? IOW! Does she have control over the $$$ she gets however its distributed?

[oceanblueeyes]

The Trust could also be set up so that only the interest is distributed and the principal not touched. Michael may have allowed Katherine to get only a small amount of money each year during her lifetime. Wish we could see that Trust Agreement.

I think you are right and she will only get a percentage of the interest made on the Trust. The Trust I would imagine will belong solely to the children. But MJ knew if he passed away while they were young his mother would need money and they also would need money for their upkeep.

I am not sure the amount the Judge is giving her. I would think that it is quite substantial since the mortgage on her home has to be exorbitant and the other expenses keeping it up. I think both the amount for her and the children would probably shock us all but then I think the Judge knows that these children lived a very affluent life style when they were with their dad.

The Judge approved of about 85 percent of what she asked for so she does have to list everything. Should she need an increase she will have to show proof why that is necessary.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

But IF it is a large amount (way more then she needs) is there anything to prevent her from forking over some to the rest of the family now or IF she chooses to put it away & leave it to them after she is gone? IOW! Does she have control over the $$$ she gets however its distributed?

She does have control but she must show the Judge why she needs the amount she asked for so she will have to spend it for those specific things. Since he trimmed her budget back about 15% I think she is going to make sure she spends it exactly as she told the court she needed it for....

She has to be mindful that she herself can only spend 40% of the interest made off of the trust.

imo

[shana]

Until the Estate is settled, its benes are asking for allowances. Those for the children were granted, but Katherine's was reduced because there were duplications for the childrens' needs.

We can only guess at the terms of the Trust itself, but the way it was apportioned suggests a lot to me, fwiw.

[travelgal]

I have been reading Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story 1958-2009by J.Randy Taraborrelli. Jane Valez-Mitchell calls it "the bible on Michael Jackson". It has given me a new understanding of the family dynamics - and I agree with another poster that wrote "no wonder Michael had insomnia"!! There is one chapter about Joe & Katherine needing money so they made a deal to deliver Michael as lead singer w/brothers in concert in Korea in '88. They were counting the $$$ before the meeting was over. All the brothers were in on it but they all knew Michael wouldn't do it. He was so tired of them making money on his back when it did nothing to further his career and everytime one of the J's needed money(big money) they always expected him to pay. He owned the Hayvenhurst home because Joe had mortgaged it to the hilt and was going to lose it. The family lived for free - thanks to Michael. Anyway, they made all kinds of promises to Korean investors representing (Rev. Sun Myung Moon). The investors only wanted Michael. The family did everything they could think of to get MJ to agree. His Mother was very cunning (which I found shocking), and still he turned them down when he found out who the investor's were. The family was furious and used every thing they could to guilt Michael. No wonder he was so strange - the whole family is strange. He was the only true creative, talented one in my opinion aside from Janet, that is.

Also, Jermaine was very jealous of MJ and hated all of the attention he got. Jermaine felt that MJ took his place in the Jackson 5 & Jackson's and if Jermaine had the lead he would have been the star MJ was. (I doubt that!)

It really is a great book (765 pgs) updated after MJ's death. The author who has covered Michael for over 30 years is on most of the good talk shows.

[Lexington]

I think the saddest part of the Michael Jackson story is that he was a victim of his own family. I can see why he wanted children who would love him for who he was and not for what he would do for them.

[oceanblueeyes]

I think the saddest part of the Michael Jackson story is that he was a victim of his own family. I can see why he wanted children who would love him for who he was and not for what he would do for them.

And thank goodness he had these children in his life. They expected nothing from him and he loved them unconditionally and he did to the day he died. They saw the gentleness and kindness in their father. They, of all people, knew MJs heart better than anyone.
imo

[2goaliemom]

And thank goodness he had these children in his life. They expected nothing from him and he loved them unconditionally and he did to the day he died. They saw the gentleness and kindness in their father. They, of all people, knew MJs heart better than anyone.
imo

Exactly Ocean and Lexington - this is also why he surrounded himself with children- they are innocents, and he related to them better than the fake people who lurked around him. He wanted to improve the world, and he put his words into action - we will miss that "voice".