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Shutterfly
08-17-2009, 04:04 AM
I now think that Louis Ross wanted to consult John Burris because of his (Louis) record. JMO. And I also think Louis was more or less feeling that LE was looking at him more because of it. I would have to agree with that. The fist thing LE does (as we all know), is look at the person who was last with a missing child, and all immediate family members. LE would have run their names early on.

I have spent time tonight looking at the videos where Louis is speaking and watching his demeanor. He does seem nervous to me and lets out such heavy 'sighs' as he is speaking. It is just my thought that his eyes takes on a 'deer caught in the headlights' look because he knows his story is not making any sense and he really did not cover all of his bases.

For some reason, this guy looks familiar to me. I have to confess that last night I went to Family Watchdog and looked up the last name. There is a Ross II listed on there from Maryland. I absolutely could not get over how much this Ross II looks like Louis Ross. This guy is only 20 years old, tho. I went back and looked at videos of Louis Ross and paused them to get a good look. There is a definate resemblance there. Of course I have no idea if they are even related or not and am not accusing anyone of anything at all. Just thought I would mention it because the two favor so much.

There is just something not right with Louis Ross, IMO. After looking at the videos, I noticed that he tends to put his hand to his face quite a lot and licks his lips very often. My impression of him is that he is very afraid he is going to go down for Hassani's disappearance. I think that there is probably a lot more that we do not know about this guy. I am thinking that LE and the FBI has got his number so to speak.

I sincerely hope that tomorrow brings more news.

:clap::clap::clap:

LaLaw2000
08-17-2009, 04:07 AM
Great post, Shutterfly! Clearly CPS did not do the background work they should have done on Ross. You have such a point about little Hassani's weight. I am guessing that medical records will be looked at.

Hassani is so tiny that he could have been hidden anywhere.

I wonder where Louis got the III behind his name. I think he uses it when he thinks it suits him.

My youngest daughter lives in Virginia and works in Maryland. It is commonplace there and the areas are not too far apart. It seems like one big area. Fairfax County is huge.

pudd
08-17-2009, 04:19 AM
I wanted to touch on your previous post too, about the car seat. A lot of us found that really odd. But, the thing that makes it even more odd is that supposedly CPS came down on Shemika in 2005 so that was FOUR years ago! Yet there's that car seat, right on top of the heap. When I saw it I almost swallowed my cigarette. Surely she doesn't have anymore children, or CPS woud have probably snatched that one too. Conversely, I suppose that would mean LWR would have been toting three of them around. You know, worlds greatest dad and all. But I thought the one year old girl (19 months, whatever they say) was Hassani's sister? Now I'm really confused... and I'll have to wade back through this Thread of Doom to find the answer! Send a search party if I'm not back by tomorrow.... ETA on the other hand, her name has never been mentioned, so maybe she's not his real sister, but a foster sister? But I could have sworn I read somewhere that they were siblings, that CPS had taken from the same mom (Shemika).

I just hope someone gets to the bottom of that 'failure to feed' animals charge in 2001 that he never showed up in court for and never bothered to pay the fine. If it turns out that this LWR and THAT LWR are one and the same, I'm guessing some heads are going to roll.

And let's face it, how many LWR III's can there be? Really?



For some reason, this guy looks familiar to me. I have to confess that last night I went to Family Watchdog and looked up the last name. There is a Ross II listed on there from Maryland. I absolutely could not get over how much this Ross II looks like Louis Ross. This guy is only 20 years old, tho. I went back and looked at videos of Louis Ross and paused them to get a good look. There is a definate resemblance there. Of course I have no idea if they are even related or not and am not accusing anyone of anything at all. Just thought I would mention it because the two favor so much.



That's a good find, LaLaw! How weird.....

And if I may nitpick for a moment, in one of the videos I saw the family/friends handing out flyers with Hassani's picture and details on them, but his name was spelled "Hasanni". Um, which is right? Can't the family spell their own kid's name? :confused:

Shutterfly
08-17-2009, 04:36 AM
The thread of doom...yup, that's exactly what it is!
Hey but pudd, you're RIGHT!! If CPS got involved with Hassani in 2005 then his sister wasn't even born yet....now that's odd!
We've had so many people offer good info on the foster care system and I myself was also a foster before my son adopted me. My son came from a family member so I know it can take FOREVER. Took me two years from the time I got him and that was with no resistence and no complications.
Where I got the info about CPS being involved with Hassani back in 2005 was from Angel Who Cares' awesome news updates. Actually, the one where AWC lists a snippet about Hassani's bio-dad as the Hughes guy. She posted it again just a few pages back, for comparison.
I would think that initially CPS took Hassani and put him in foster care. That process, between Merits Hearings, Permanency Hearings, etc, usually takes about nine months. It can take up to two years before a parents rights are terminated, and that doesn't usually happen until or unless they are unable to or refuse to comply. Shemika probably got pregnant again once they realized she wasn't capable of or willing to comply with requirements to get Hassani back. So when she had the little girl, they probably snatched her too.
I could buy that there are multiple LR's. A little harder for me to imagine very many "Weltons"...and then when you tack that III on the end of it?!?

LaLaw2000
08-17-2009, 04:56 AM
:wave:

Great post and observations, Shutterfly! Nah, the name Louis Welton Ross, III is just not your common everyday name. JMO, but I think there is only one!
Betcha he is really worried tonight!

See you all tomorrow!

eyes4crime
08-17-2009, 04:58 AM
ROSS,LOUIS WELTON
Date of Birth
Jul 1 1971
Sex
M
Race
B
Court
Fairfax GD
Case Number
059GC0101248400
Document Number

Disposition Code
GA
Offense Date
Jun 30 2001 Arrest Date
Jun 30 2001 Filing Date
Jul 10 2001 Disposition Date
Sep 6 2001
Def. Status
S Case Type
M Charge
FAIL TO CARE FOR ANIMALS
Code Section
3.1-796.68
Amended Case Type
Amended Charge
Amended Code Section
Program Type
Hearing Type
AJ Hearing Result
F Commenced By
Concluded By
Fine
Y Costs

Pretty certain this is the right Louis Walton Ross - taken from VA criminal search. mho nite nite everyone.

pudd
08-17-2009, 05:42 AM
Hey everyone - heads up! The easiest way to find that missing info is on the astrology thread for Hassani - it's all been reposted there by the delightful Angel Who Cares and there's less discussion there so it's easier to search through!

Anyhoo, I did notice that while CPS did start proceedings against Shemika in 2005, it was only last year that (can't remember the expression!) the guardianship of the kids defaulted to CPS (who I guess then fostered them out, maybe straight to JC and LR, or maybe to another temporary placement before that?).

Eyes, I think the bio-dad was born in 1977, but LR was born in 1971 - his age is given as 38 in the news reports.

Well, it's about a week now, and no news isn't really good news in this case. The astrology bunch have had unfortunate readings, and I really wish LR would come clean and tell LE what happened. :(

eyes4crime
08-17-2009, 06:26 AM
Hey everyone - heads up! The easiest way to find that missing info is on the astrology thread for Hassani - it's all been reposted there by the delightful Angel Who Cares and there's less discussion there so it's easier to search through!

Anyhoo, I did notice that while CPS did start proceedings against Shemika in 2005, it was only last year that (can't remember the expression!) the guardianship of the kids defaulted to CPS (who I guess then fostered them out, maybe straight to JC and LR, or maybe to another temporary placement before that?).

Eyes, I think the bio-dad was born in 1977, but LR was born in 1971 - his age is given as 38 in the news reports.

Well, it's about a week now, and no news isn't really good news in this case. The astrology bunch have had unfortunate readings, and I really wish LR would come clean and tell LE what happened. :(

Thanks for the info...I took out the question about the birth date. I went to the Astrology thread once and thought I entered the wrong planet. lol It's very much a foreign language to me, not to mention it reminds me of advanced geometry. In other words - I don't understand a word they are saying. lol

Shutterfly
08-17-2009, 07:14 AM
Thanks for the info...I took out the question about the birth date. I went to the Astrology thread once and thought I entered the wrong planet. lol It's very much a foreign language to me, not to mention it reminds me of advanced geometry. In other words - I don't understand a word they are saying. lol

Me either eyes4....I went in there twice and it truly scared me. I felt like a wee little fish in a GREAT big pond. I'm usually pretty good at 'getting stuff' even if sometimes I have to work at it. Astrology...not so much. The extent of my knowledge is 'keyword horoscope'...oh, and I know I'm a Capricorn.

ForensicsFan
08-17-2009, 07:34 AM
Just thought I'd mention that while walking the dog, I noticed a KGO news van and camera men setting up in front of Spazzo (a coffee shop) with cameras pointed at Shuz shoestore. I'm wondering if there's new information on the case if they are out there this early?

Shutterfly
08-17-2009, 07:42 AM
Just thought I'd mention that while walking the dog, I noticed a KGO news van and camera men setting up in front of Spazzo (a coffee shop) with cameras pointed at Shuz shoestore. I'm wondering if there's new information on the case if they are out there this early?

FF that's ABC7 isn't it?

ForensicsFan
08-17-2009, 07:59 AM
FF that's ABC7 isn't it?

Exactly right.

Shutterfly
08-17-2009, 08:11 AM
According to 7's site they do a special edition broadcast at 4 am weekdays. Now whether or not there's something new and/or newsworthy to necessitate dragging all that equipment out to Shuz at 3:30 in the morning.....one can only hope.

not_my_kids
08-17-2009, 09:09 AM
Any idea if there is a middle name for bio dad?
Also, starting to worry about our info on bio dad. RH is possibly the most common AKA in Riverside County.

not_my_kids
08-17-2009, 09:17 AM
Don't hate me, please, did we ever get a middle name on JC?

WhyaDuck?
08-17-2009, 09:32 AM
Hey, Shutter - Through out a Mod Signal so we can get a new thread. You're good at that! :D

However, over at the Tori threads they occasionally have just started a new thread and continued there, asking the mods to lock down the previous. Shall we do that?

40 pages is pretty much the limit...

CHICANA
08-17-2009, 09:35 AM
Don't hate me, please, did we ever get a middle name on JC?

Middle initial is M and I think it's either Marie or Maria.

CHICANA
08-17-2009, 09:36 AM
Don't hate me, please, did we ever get a middle name on JC?

Middle initial is M and I think it's either Marie or Maria.

momtective
08-17-2009, 09:51 AM
Don't hate me, please, did we ever get a middle name on JC?

Per ancestry...it's Maria
Jennifer and Shemika were both born in San Francisco
Shemika's middle name...Latoya

Columbo
08-17-2009, 10:15 AM
But I thought the one year old girl (19 months, whatever they say) was Hassani's sister? Now I'm really confused... and I'll have to wade back through this Thread of Doom to find the answer! Send a search party if I'm not back by tomorrow.... ETA on the other hand, her name has never been mentioned, so maybe she's not his real sister, but a foster sister? But I could have sworn I read somewhere that they were siblings, that CPS had taken from the same mom (Shemika).


And let's face it, how many LWR III's can there be? Really?



That's a good find, LaLaw! How weird.....

And if I may nitpick for a moment, in one of the videos I saw the family/friends handing out flyers with Hassani's picture and details on them, but his name was spelled "Hasanni". Um, which is right? Can't the family spell their own kid's name? :confused:

bolded by me
I think I heard them say the name "Aaliyah" , as in, when he "left Aaliyah with another shoe store employee and went out to look for Hasanni". I think she is from the same mom as Hasanni, it's his sister.

momtective
08-17-2009, 10:20 AM
bolded by me
I think I heard them say the name "Aaliyah" , as in, when he "left Aaliyah with another shoe store employee and went out to look for Hasanni". I think she is from the same mom as Hasanni, it's his sister.

In this video JC mentions Aaliyah http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=6962708&rss=rss-kgo-video-6962708
FWIW this video really raises my hinky meter...something about it really disturbs me. Her eyes and the hysteria without tears. One tear finally rolls down but that's it. hummmmm:waitasec:

Columbo
08-17-2009, 10:30 AM
YellowSubmarine:

I believe this LWR to be the same person as foster dad to Hassani - I am now very fearful for our little man Hassani - the outcome is probably not going to be good and LWR is proving to be a "not so good guy" in my eyes now.

Eleph

And just think...he was planning to be a medical assistant?

not_my_kids
08-17-2009, 10:33 AM
I found an RH in Glenn County CA, had a DUI 1-28-2000, middle name Jay.

http://www.glenncourt.ca.gov/online_index/CMSCaseDisplay.cfm?URLCaseNumber=NCR3047

momtective
08-17-2009, 10:41 AM
If this is JC I wonder who Malik Lampkins is...maybe a former BF?
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/momtective/Hassani%20Campbell/JenniferCampbell.jpg

Kat
08-17-2009, 10:51 AM
I saw a request from a few pages back, here is what I have jotted down so far:

(I am copy and pasting from my own file, please ignore the notes to myself)

Louis Welton Ross: Foster Father, Father to unborn child of Jennifer Campbell. Late model BMW.Took LDT, results no commented on.

Jennifer Campbell : Hassani's Aunt and Foster Mother. Reportedly managed shoe store (Shuz of Rockridge (6012 College Ave)). Six months pregnant. Refuses to take LDT.

Jennifer Campbell's Mother: Pamela Clark, 62, of San Francisco

Hassani's bio Mom:
Shemika L. Campbell of San Francisco age 25

Bio Father:
Ronald Hughes

Hassani's godmother:
Regina Douglas


As for the possible relatives (elpher) asked that I had seen that might be associated with LWRIII are:

Christopher Fredrick R.

Lois J R.

Tawana C R.

Teddy E R.

Teresa Michelle R.
(Initial R for these people stands for the same surname as LWRIII, I'm trying to avoid posting full names as not to violate TOS) :)

Columbo
08-17-2009, 10:53 AM
But I thought the one year old girl (19 months, whatever they say) was Hassani's sister? Now I'm really confused... and I'll have to wade back through this Thread of Doom to find the answer! Send a search party if I'm not back by tomorrow.... ETA on the other hand, her name has never been mentioned, so maybe she's not his real sister, but a foster sister? But I could have sworn I read somewhere that they were siblings, that CPS had taken from the same mom (Shemika).


And let's face it, how many LWR III's can there be? Really?



That's a good find, LaLaw! How weird.....

And if I may nitpick for a moment, in one of the videos I saw the family/friends handing out flyers with Hassani's picture and details on them, but his name was spelled "Hasanni". Um, which is right? Can't the family spell their own kid's name? :confused:

Bolded by me

I'll be picky too, I'm a spelling nut. I think the correct way (or truly Arabic way?) to spell Hassani is with 2 s's. I imagine his parents changed the spelling when they named him. I can't imagine them printing up all those posters with his name not spelled as it is on his birth certificate ! Just a thought. I could be wrong!

Kat
08-17-2009, 10:59 AM
For Pudd:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - Hassani Campbell

...Campbell became Hasanni's legal guardian after her sister, 25-year-old Shemika Campbell of San Francisco, could not take care of him, relatives said.

Clark said Shemika Campbell is "just devastated" by the boy's disappearance.

Court records show that San Francisco officials sued Shemika Campbell and Hasanni's father, Ronald Hughes, starting in 2005, claiming they were unable to support Hasanni.

The actions, one against Hughes and the other against Campbell, were apparently resolved last year with a default judgment entered on behalf of the city. They could not be reached for comment.

Columbo
08-17-2009, 10:59 AM
Here are my impressions so far, for whatever they're worth:

1. That driveway has always made me slightly nervous if I'm walking alone at night. It's easy to duck into and be shielded by that building. Vehicles (UPS, work trucks) do tend to pull part way into the driveway of the parking lot for a few minutes to half an hour or so at a time. Likewise, across the street (almost directly) is a basement parking structure accessible by a lower garage door that goes down from the street.

2. Barclay's, the bar/restaurant across the street, is a busy establishment. However, even the outdoor seating is below street level. IMO, the odds of sitting down there (which I've done) and seeing what's going on clearly across the street aren't great.

3. The parking lot is really small, as the blonde woman said in the news video. Through the archway is the apartment parking area, leading to a street that dead ends. However, if someone had a car waiting or idling near there, or around the corner on Auburn (which does not get much traffic during the day), it would be IMO an easy getaway. You would have to move VERY fast, and prepare, but once you make a turn or two, you're pretty much home-free. You have a much higher chance of being noticed if you go down College than if you go down to the other end of Harwood.

4. That all said, there is foot traffic on Harwood throughout the day, especially as people return home around that time. There is a church across the street from that corner, which usually has people out front, in addition to several coffee shops. The time it takes to round that corner is indeed very fast, especially if you were in a hurry and using a quick pace.

5. His reasons for using the parking lot make sense to me, considering what's been going on in Oakland lately. There is honestly nowhere to park along College Ave most of the time, for about five blocks in either direction. You have to park on the side streets, which have 2 hour parking. However, on Harwood during that time of day, you can sometimes have to travel to the roundabout or beyond to find a spot (even if you look at side streets, too). Lately, the City of Oakland has extended the parking enforcement hours and hugely increased parking ticket fines. My friends have parked in front of my house and exceeded 2 hours by minutes, and ended up with $80 tickets. Minor infractions can set you back as much as $300 lately, as Oakland tries to use parking enforcement to balance its very sad budget.

Despite all this, the only scenario that makes sense to me for an abduction is that someone either heavily planned this in advance, had the help of one or both parents, or lives really nearby (there is a house on the other side of the driveway). It would have to be such a quick initial grab. I do see it as possible to go unnoticed, and to exit quickly, but it requires so many "if"s and it's never happened here before.

The Neighborhood Watch Group mentioned that they saw the foster father obviously distraught, asking people if they'd seen Hassani and running up and down College Avenue when this happened. The canine dogs traveled both ends of Harwood that day, as well as the gas station on the corner, and parts of College Ave setting up a perimeter. Additionally, I've been personally questioned by LE and asked to fill out an extensive survey, even mentioning any deliveries I got that day or people who visited me, listing their names and phone numbers. They seem like they've been really thorough, and I only imagine they've been more thorough with those in the dwellings right beside the parking lot.

Also, for what it's worth, I can't think of a single reason you'd travel surface streets between Fremont and Rockridge. Even with the worst of traffic, you'd be faster on the freeway (due to lights, busy intersections, etc.)--possibly 90 min instead of 30-45. Additionally, this is an largely white neighborhood (at least until you go lower than College Ave or beyond Broadway). People are not bigoted here (quite the opposite), but you would tend to notice someone of color a little more easily.

I'd like to also add that the neighbors who are around during the day are quite vigilant. The Neighborhood Watch has people who see a solicitor, or someone snipping their flowers, and call the non-emergency number for the police. Lots of security systems, and lots of video cameras. I have a hard time thinking if anyone suspicious was lurking around they wouldn't be noticed or questioned by neighbors (I've seen it happen).

Forensics Fan, thank you so much for your great posts! For one thing, you cleared up the mystery of where that little archway leads--so it doesn't dead end in the back yard of the apartment, it actually leads to another street (which dead ends) but nonetheless, a street.

An abduction here would have to be so orchestrated, so planned, IMO. Or just a combination of weird opportunity and one-off "luck" (ugh) for an abductor...It almost seems as if Hasanni were abducted it would have to be by someone who lives in the apt's right there, or close by.

I was there in person this weekend, and I'd like to know if you think that people working in the business on the left hand side of the alley could look out to the alley and see something happening ? That was my impression but you go by there a lot and might have another take on it.

It sounds like LE is being extremely thorough and that is great to hear.
Thanks again for your post.

Kat
08-17-2009, 11:01 AM
...Hassani has been living with Ross and Campbell, his biological aunt, since December

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_13064980?nclick_check=1

...The boy's sister was taken into protective custody Monday...

not_my_kids
08-17-2009, 11:02 AM
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=6&x=0AEB411A-71A5-42F2-838D-453586DF2283

Ronald M Hughes...San Francisco, undisclosed location. Pretty sure he's been posted, but here's another look at him, I think it's a different pic, but I'm not sure.

not_my_kids
08-17-2009, 11:04 AM
Also, my pay site kicks out a LWR DOB 6-1-1944, as well as a J S Lin and Y L Miyajima at the Fremont address.

WhyaDuck?
08-17-2009, 11:07 AM
Hey guys - I don't want to interrupt the flow of conversation, but I have started a new thread for this case, and will ask the mods to lock this one - 42 pages is getting unmanageable.

Please feel free to carry current articles and discussion there.

Thanks.

CONTINUE HERE:

CA-Oakland - 5 year old - Hassani Campbell - Missing Since 8/10/09 - THREAD #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

KeenEyes
08-17-2009, 11:36 AM
And the thing that keeps coming back to me, on the heels of finding that charge in Virginia, is that Hassani is five years old, he's only three feet tall, and he only weighs thirty pounds? I realize he has CP and that ( I think) children with CP can tend to be tiny, but that child is the size of a two year old. I have to wonder if LWR didn't neglect to feed him too?!?

Help Find My Child is showing Hassani's weight as 40 lbs:

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/hassani-campbell

WhyaDuck?
08-17-2009, 11:39 AM
Help Find My Child is showing Hassani's weight as 40 lbs:

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/hassani-campbell

Please move this post to the new thread. I am trying to get this one locked, but can't find a mod.

WhyaDuck?
08-17-2009, 11:41 AM
CONTINUE DISCUSSION HERE:

CA-Oakland - 5 year old - Hassani Campbell - Missing Since 8/10/09 - THREAD #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community