Who Knows What Happened to Haleigh? Vote Now. No Need to be a Member [Archive]

Tricia

08-19-2009, 07:00 PM

Here is the first ever Websleuths.com Poll. When the poll is closed I will be sending out a press release to the media outlets to let them know what the people of the world think. We need a voice too in these discussions and here it is.

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momtective

08-19-2009, 07:12 PM

Definitely think it's someone who knows the family, either a family member or someone close to the family.
I voted other persons not mention in the poll.

Dr. Know?

08-19-2009, 07:46 PM

Haleighs name is spelled wrong, thought you should know. There is no y in her name. Thanks.

kittylyn461

08-19-2009, 07:48 PM

Haleighs name is spelled wrong, thought you should know. There is no y in her name. Thanks.

Thank you i was just going to pm her with the correct spelling. HaLeigh

scandi

08-19-2009, 08:46 PM

Thanks Tricia for the terrific poll, and then giving it to the media ;}

IMO Haleigh's disappearance was caused by a family member or someone who knows the family. I voted for 'person's not mentioned'.

With LE saying today she was not taken by a stranger I don't think that rules out a SO taking her, as Ron and Misty were friends with at least one SO, whose home they had visited with Haleigh present when they did. It's going to end up being someone like this I think.

Also the fact it has been so many months since she was taken shows it was familial IMO. Strangers don't hide bodies. Those who are familial do as they know they will be looked at and don't want to be caught. xox

:+:MrTT:+:

08-19-2009, 09:20 PM

I have not commented on this case in a few months,,,,,
But it was my impression at the time, she is no longer in the area.
and may have been transported out by someone on the Amtrak train, or other public transportation system in the area, such as the train at the train station.

There, in the beginning to me, was something fake about this case, though i couldn't put a finger on it.
like a copycat of another situation they had there in the area, the caylee situation.......except in this case, it seemed to be all planned for the national attention.......but like i said, i have not been following this case for months , so it probably has no meaning now.

I don't think this girl was murdered and buried somewhere, but still alive with someone, just a hunch i have about that.
though could be wrong, and its just wishful thinking.

.ALL MOO AND SPECULATION.

Tricia

08-19-2009, 09:27 PM

I'm surprised that people are voting for "persons not mentnioned". WOW. I didn't think that one would get anything.

Thank you for the correct spelling. Spelling is not my best ability. :)

christee

08-19-2009, 09:59 PM

I voted "other" because I have a feeling Ron ticked someone off and they wanted revenge. I don't know why.

Flossie JMO

08-19-2009, 10:00 PM

I voted others. I think maternal grandmother with help of family and friends.

Littleone48

08-19-2009, 10:51 PM

I also voted for other person not mentioned in this poll. I was really surprised to come here and see this poll with Ron and Crystal's name on it as they were cleared in the press release on Monday..I am not so surprised that I am reading the same rumors, lies and just plain nasty things being said and allowed to stay in the public part of the forum. Please tell me how this solves a case? Of course maybe if I say IMO I will not get banned. :)

cajun

08-19-2009, 11:27 PM

I also voted for other person not mentioned in this poll. I was really surprised to come here and see this poll with Ron and Crystal's name on it as they were cleared in the press release on Monday..I am not so surprised that I am reading the same rumors, lies and just plain nasty things being said and allowed to stay in the public part of the forum. Please tell me how this solves a case? Of course maybe if I say IMO I will not get banned. :)

I thought Ron and Crystal were cleared also, I never thought either of them had anything to do with it.

I think it's someone connected to the maternal side of the family,whether a friend or boyfriend or extended family member.

RJA00

08-19-2009, 11:45 PM

I thought Ron and Crystal were cleared also, I never thought either of them had anything to do with it.

I think it's someone connected to the maternal side of the family,whether a friend or boyfriend or extended family member.

that is my opinion also Maternal side of family
that child support letter has always been my key since day one and has not changed

I was on the fence with crystal but since the le cleared her. she is scratched of my list along with ac man and ron

im on the fence about misty dont know if she might of helped the maternal side of the family or she was asleep and just dont know what happened jmo

illinoismom

08-19-2009, 11:49 PM

I have not commented on this case in a few months,,,,,
But it was my impression at the time, she is no longer in the area.
and may have been transported out by someone on the Amtrak train, or other public transportation system in the area, such as the train at the train station.

There, in the beginning to me, was something fake about this case, though i couldn't put a finger on it.
like a copycat of another situation they had there in the area, the caylee situation.......except in this case, it seemed to be all planned for the national attention.......but like i said, i have not been following this case for months , so it probably has no meaning now.

I don't think this girl was murdered and buried somewhere, but still alive with someone, just a hunch i have about that.
though could be wrong, and its just wishful thinking.

.ALL MOO AND SPECULATION.

BBM

I feel the same way and almost didnt vote until I say your post and our thinking is the same.:cool:

Be Adequite!

08-20-2009, 01:18 AM

Misty no doubt in my mind. Or Misty with an SO friend. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts on this one.

bunnyphoenix1

08-20-2009, 02:29 AM

I'm surprised that people are voting for "persons not mentnioned". WOW. I didn't think that one would get anything.

Thank you for the correct spelling. Spelling is not my best ability. :)

Yes, wow, more than 1 in 4 are voting for "persons not mentioned", myself included.

While I don't rule others out as possibilities, I think she was most likely taken by a family member of the Sheffield/Griffis side or someone in Misty's family, and I also still think there's a real chance it was an RSO.

I also feel there is a very good chance she is alive.

redwine81

08-20-2009, 04:01 AM

I voted for Ron and Misty. I have always felt they know a lot more than they have been saying. IMO of course.

adnoid

08-20-2009, 07:27 AM

...I was really surprised to come here and see this poll with Ron and Crystal's name on it as they were cleared in the press release on Monday...

In just about every case the fact that someone is cleared, or that someone else is convicted, does not stop some people from believing that a particular individual is the guilty party none the less. This is a poll on what people are thinking, so that possibility is provided for.

...I am not so surprised that I am reading the same rumors, lies and just plain nasty things being said and allowed to stay in the public part of the forum. Please tell me how this solves a case? Of course maybe if I say IMO I will not get banned. :)

:rolleyes: Please tell me how your remarks do the same.

twall

08-20-2009, 07:43 AM

I also voted for other person not mentioned in this poll. I was really surprised to come here and see this poll with Ron and Crystal's name on it as they were cleared in the press release on Monday..I am not so surprised that I am reading the same rumors, lies and just plain nasty things being said and allowed to stay in the public part of the forum. Please tell me how this solves a case? Of course maybe if I say IMO I will not get banned. :)

Here's a link to the press release on Monday-

http://www.pcso.us/

Please show me where it states that Crystal and Ron have been cleared.
It states that they are not suspects.
That is a police tactic used so the suspect will not think LE is looking at them.
Remember Chris Coleman? Killed his wife and 2 sons. LE kept telling the public he was not a suspect then boom he was arrested.

My opinion only and a few facts thrown into the mix.

believe09

08-20-2009, 08:28 AM

Wow-this poll is all over the map! IMO Misty has been the key from the beginning, but that does not require much insight, lol.

lil momma

08-20-2009, 10:17 AM

I voted for MC. She has been on the top of MY list from day one. If you can't clear those in the home with HC, that is the first problem, you have to find out why you can't clear those in the home.

I have never suspected CS or her side of the family. I need more than just a contempt letter to convince me.

I am on the fence as far as RC is concerned. I do not think he harmed his daughter, but with his explosive temper, accidents do happen.

Annie

08-20-2009, 10:40 AM

I really don't think it was an abduction. I think there was an accident of some sort and Haleigh died as a result. I think Ron and Misty were both involved in some way. I can't see his family embracing Misty and defending her like they are when she was the last person known to be with Haleigh, and Haleigh disappeared on her watch. She has given inconsistent statements which certainly raise some questions with me, and I would think with Haleigh's family. I can see them covering for Ron if he had any involvement at all. They seem to have protected him all his life. This is my opinion only. I hope I am wrong, and Haleigh is alive and will one day be brought back to her family.

KR2tonenow

08-20-2009, 10:49 AM

I think Misty and un-known male accomplice.

wonders

08-20-2009, 01:31 PM

I voted Other Persons Not Mentioned.
For some reason I just have a strong feeling Ron and Misty know where Haleigh is. I also think Haleigh is not alive (I pray to God I'm wrong) it has just been to long for her to not be seen somewhere.

Tricia

08-20-2009, 01:38 PM

Hi All,

Let me address some questions you may have.

The reason I added Ron and Crystal, even though they have been cleared by police, is because there are some of you out there who still think Ron or Crystal are involved. No matter what the police say.

This poll is not about what the police proclaim but it is about what you all think. You may not agree with the police.

What other choices would you like to see that I have not put up on the poll? Since this is our first poll I am learning as we go along.

Thanks everyone for your participation.

Loveya,
Tricia

stilettos

08-20-2009, 01:44 PM

I voted Ron and Misty. I do believe that TN and GGM know and may have participated in a coverup...so that would be involvement too. maybe we should add them?

Tricia

08-20-2009, 01:46 PM

What really surprises me and I think will surprise others ( if it stays this way) is how close it is between Misty and "other persons."

I thought Misty would get 90 percent of the votes. Interesting.

Flossie JMO

08-20-2009, 03:24 PM

The results so far are very interesting.

lil momma

08-20-2009, 03:58 PM

I think having this poll was a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not_my_kids

08-20-2009, 05:45 PM

Misty is involved IMO. She may have had help, but one way or another, that child was involved. I'm not sure she could have pulled this off on her own, so there very well could be other parties involved, but I have also seen some pretty amazing things when it comes to what a panicked person can accomplish. If Misty was responsible for any harm coming to Haleigh, she could have panicked and then she would have been able to pull it off on her own.

adnoid

08-20-2009, 06:25 PM

In response to your requests, you can now write in who you think is responsible and vote for them. If you have already voted, no problem - as long as you are registered and signed in, you will be able to change your vote.

Please make sure your choice has not already been written in before you add it, as there is no way to prevent duplicate write ins. Thanks!

badme102

08-20-2009, 06:29 PM

Here's a link to the press release on Monday-

http://www.pcso.us/

Please show me where it states that Crystal and Ron have been cleared.
It states that they are not suspects.
That is a police tactic used so the suspect will not think LE is looking at them.
Remember Chris Coleman? Killed his wife and 2 sons. LE kept telling the public he was not a suspect then boom he was arrested.

My opinion only and a few facts thrown into the mix.

Thank you! "Not suspects" does not mean cleared by any means.

atherella

08-20-2009, 08:45 PM

Wow! One of the choices changed by 88 votes in one hour a little while ago. :eek:

Baxter

08-20-2009, 11:45 PM

Wow between Ron and Misty 67% total votes so far.

Helpie Helperton

08-21-2009, 12:20 AM

Misty is involved IMO. She may have had help, but one way or another, that child was involved. I'm not sure she could have pulled this off on her own, so there very well could be other parties involved, but I have also seen some pretty amazing things when it comes to what a panicked person can accomplish. If Misty was responsible for any harm coming to Haleigh, she could have panicked and then she would have been able to pull it off on her own.

I agree...I believe Misty and others are involved...I dont know to what extent her involvement is...it could be as simple as not being there to protect Haleigh that night all the way to full involvement and knowledge of what happened to little Haleigh...Misty knows more than she is telling IMHO

Lexington

08-21-2009, 01:32 AM

I voted Ron and Misty and I would have voted the same had this poll been taken a day or two after Haleigh disappeared. The 911 call with Ron so defensive and belligerent and the next day interview with Ron and TN also did not sit right with me either. I thought from the start that Ron did it and Misty covered for him. Nothing that I have seen since has pulled me from that first impression, except that TN and GGM have covered for him also.

eyes4crime

08-21-2009, 01:32 AM

I've been following this case from the day it started...I voted for a person not mentioned because I believe the perp who took Haleigh is a pedophile and knows Ron and his family, maybe not well, but somewhat. Perhaps one of the females in the picture had been molested as a child and doesn't remember clearly or was threatened to the point of not remembering.

Misty is lacking education and an ability to communicate. She got inches and feet mixed up. I'm not sure the story Misty gave about all 3 sleeping in the same room is true...she may have been out of the mobile home at the time.

RoseRed

08-21-2009, 02:07 AM

I voted "other" because I have a feeling Ron ticked someone off and they wanted revenge. I don't know why.

I also voted other an also feel it was for revenge either directed at RC or MC.

txsvicki

08-21-2009, 02:21 AM

I voted Misti. I've always thought so after hearing that no forced entry, the blanket washing scenario, and then especially after hearing about the shaking couch and man in black. Even if some bozo was also involved after the fact, I think Misti is the key.

smart blonde

08-21-2009, 03:49 AM

I voted Ron and Misti.

I just want to add how impressed I am with the number of total votes in this poll!

mommyofthreekidz5

08-21-2009, 06:27 AM

I voted Johnny Sheffield because there are WAY too many things that have made you go hmmmn with this man from the very beginning. I have thought this for months and I don't believe "initially", if even at all, that Crystal was aware of this .imoo .

Amster

08-21-2009, 05:29 PM

I don't think Haleigh was abducted.....I think she was killed and her body hidden....by Ronald and Misty

adnoid

08-21-2009, 08:34 PM

Well folks, the results to date are very interesting!

Choice|{colsp=2}All Voters Combined|{colsp=2}WS Member Voters|{colsp=2}Anonymouse Voters

Her Biological Father Ron|21|2%|8|4%|13|2%

Her Biological Mother Crystal|3|0%|0|0%|3|0%

Her Step Mother Misty|130|15%|70|32%|60|10%

Her Biological Father Ron and Step Mother Misty|295|35%|72|33%|223|36%

Her Biological Mother Crystal along with an accomplice|14|2%|10|5%|4|1%

Strangers to the family|7|1%|6|3%|1|0%

Other Persons not mentioned in this poll|109|13%|38|17%|71|11%

maternal side Granny Marie with accomplices|251|30%|5|2%|246|39%

Don't know? could have been any one of them|7|1%|5|2%|2|0%

Donald Sapp & Misty|3|0%|1|0%|2|0%

Johnny Sheffield , Crystals father|5|1%|2|1%|3|0%

The Cummings Family, and the Croslin Family|1|0%|1|0%|0|0%

{colsp=7}By family side:

Father's Side|449|53%|151|69%|298|47%

Mother's Side|273|32%|17|8%|256|41%

Other|124|15%|50|23%|74|12%

What this tells me is that the general public seems evenly split but the WS members - who have really studied this matter and done some great work - overwhelmingly think Ron's family, and mainly Misty, know what happened.

And yes, I do know the proper way to spell anonymous.

lonetraveler

08-21-2009, 09:01 PM

I'm surprised that people are voting for "persons not mentnioned". WOW. I didn't think that one would get anything.

Thank you for the correct spelling. Spelling is not my best ability. :)

Thanks for the poll, I haven't voted yet. I have a problem with the abduction wording. How can I vote if I think that Haleigh was not abducted but was killed and her body was disposed of. I want to vote but I'm not sure how at this point, any suggestions are greatly appreciated...I'm being very sincere.

adnoid

08-21-2009, 09:06 PM

Thanks for the poll, I haven't voted yet. I have a problem with the abduction wording. How can I vote if I think that Haleigh was not abducted but was killed and her body was disposed of. I want to vote but I'm not sure how at this point, any suggestions are greatly appreciated...I'm being very sincere.

Write in your thoughts and vote for them.

stilettos

08-21-2009, 10:09 PM

Well folks, the results to date are very interesting!

Choice|{colsp=2}All Voters Combined|{colsp=2}WS Member Voters|{colsp=2}Anonymouse Voters

Her Biological Father Ron|21|2%|8|4%|13|2%

Her Biological Mother Crystal|3|0%|0|0%|3|0%

Her Step Mother Misty|130|15%|70|32%|60|10%

Her Biological Father Ron and Step Mother Misty|295|35%|72|33%|223|36%

Her Biological Mother Crystal along with an accomplice|14|2%|10|5%|4|1%

Strangers to the family|7|1%|6|3%|1|0%

Other Persons not mentioned in this poll|109|13%|38|17%|71|11%

maternal side Granny Marie with accomplices|251|30%|5|2%|246|39%

Don't know? could have been any one of them|7|1%|5|2%|2|0%

Donald Sapp & Misty|3|0%|1|0%|2|0%

Johnny Sheffield , Crystals father|5|1%|2|1%|3|0%

The Cummings Family, and the Croslin Family|1|0%|1|0%|0|0%

{colsp=7}By family side:

Father's Side|449|53%|151|69%|298|47%

Mother's Side|273|32%|17|8%|256|41%

Other|124|15%|50|23%|74|12%

What this tells me is that the general public seems evenly split but the WS members - who have really studied this matter and done some great work - overwhelmingly think Ron's family, and mainly Misty, know what happened.

And yes, I do know the proper way to spell anonymous.

WOW, just wow.

yosande

08-22-2009, 12:59 AM

I changed my vote a couple of times until I finally found one I truly agree with;
Killed by RC, cover up by RC's family, and Misty,
though I also think the Croslins' may also be obstructing justice through knowledge of what occurred, and/or assisted MCC in the cover up.
moo
ty to whomever wrote that in.

Annie

08-22-2009, 07:58 AM

I think this poll may have been hijacked. Can people who are not members vote more than once? There has not even been that much talk of it being Marie, and I find it hard to believe that category has increased so much without some manipulation.

CeeKer

08-22-2009, 08:30 AM

I think this poll may have been hijacked. Can people who are not members vote more than once? There has not even been that much talk of it being Marie, and I find it hard to believe that category has increased so much without some manipulation.

I believe there are many people who believe the Griffis/Sheffield family may have been involved and many who believe RC had nothing to do with this. I believe a large number of people have found it easier not to post in the blogosphere because of what's gone on the last six months with a small group of very vocal, sometimes mean-spirited people who want that dialogue shut down. I believe people are also nervous about having their personal info splashed on the web so wish to remain anonymous.

It's been my experience that it is often not worth the aggravation and frustration to post any opinion, even with links, or do any sleuthing of anyone other than RC/MC etc. that doesn't match up with the lynch Misty/RC mentality that is espoused by some across the net.

I sat on this poll the other day and watched the RC/Misty numbers go up by one every refresh for about 80 votes. I believe it's the RC/Misty numbers that have possibly been manipulated. The other numbers IMO are people who have been silenced out of frustration... Anonymous doesn't necessarily mean "less informed", esp. in this case.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 08:39 AM

I think this poll may have been hijacked. Can people who are not members vote more than once? There has not even been that much talk of it being Marie, and I find it hard to believe that category has increased so much without some manipulation.

Oh my goodness! You mean some members might be trying to perpetrate a hoax??? That's something that would be pretty bad - and we addressed it some time ago (read down):

Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Perhaps we should look into this more deeply...but I cannot imagine anyone, say, repeatedly voting using an "anonymous proxy". I just can't see how anyone could be that dishonest and look at themselves in a mirror every day. But you never know.

lakelandladi

08-22-2009, 08:52 AM

I believe there are many people who believe the Griffis/Sheffield family may have been involved and many who believe RC had nothing to do with this. I believe a large number of people have found it easier not to post in the blogosphere because of what's gone on the last six months with a small group of very vocal, somewhat mean-spirited people who want that dialogue shut down. I believe people are also nervous about having their personal info splashed on the web so wish to remain anonymous.

It's been my experience that it is often not worth the aggravation and frustration to post any opinion, even with links, or do any sleuthing of anyone other than RC/MC etc. that doesn't match up with the lynch Misty/RC mentality that is espoused by some across the net.

I sat on this poll the other day and watched the RC/Misty numbers go up by one every refresh for about 80 votes. I believe it's the RC/Misty numbers that have possibly been manipulated. The other numbers IMO are people who have been silenced out of frustration... Anonymous doesn't necessarily mean "less informed", esp. in this case.

I totally agree with this post. I am in contact with many people who no longer post on the HaLeigh threads because of the "issues" that never seem to get resolved.

A crime sleuthing forum should be just that, a place to sleuth out the crime and who may have committed it. It should not be a place to bash families, and post blatant lies and mistruths, outing the identity of other posters, going forum to forum bashing other WS posters that have a different theory.

So I can totally understand why so many are voting anonymously. It is sad that so many WS members and guests feel the need to do that.

For those that do not believe there are a lot of people out in cyberland that believe Marie and/or Crystal's side of the family committed this crime, all I can say is you may need to do more research, because there are many, many of them out there.

CeeKer

08-22-2009, 09:02 AM

Oh my goodness! You mean some members might be trying to perpetrate a hoax??? That's something that would be pretty bad - and we addressed it some time ago (read down):

Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65798)

Perhaps we should look into this more deeply...but I cannot imagine anyone, say, repeatedly voting using an "anonymous proxy". I just can't see how anyone could be that dishonest and look at themselves in a mirror every day. But you never know.

Very respectfully but being "dishonest" in a loose poll is nothing compared to some of the vile things that have been posted on the net regarding the Cummings family, who until they are charged with a crime, are still crime victims. Not to mention professional people posting on websites to further their own agendas. IMO there are a lot of people who might have a hard time looking in the mirror regarding this case.

badme102

08-22-2009, 09:46 AM

I think this poll may have been hijacked. Can people who are not members vote more than once? There has not even been that much talk of it being Marie, and I find it hard to believe that category has increased so much without some manipulation.
I totally agree! Like I told a friend of mine the other day, I pretty much, eat, sleep and breathe this case, and there is NO way on God's green Earth, that there are over 300 people on the planet that think Marie Griffis is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.
Manipulation? Absolutely. Quite frankly, it disgusts me what lengths people will go to just to be "right".

lakelandladi

08-22-2009, 10:01 AM

I totally agree! Like I told a friend of mine the other day, I pretty much, eat, sleep and breathe this case, and there is NO way on God's green Earth, that there are over 300 people on the planet that think Marie Griffis is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.
Manipulation? Absolutely. Quite frankly, it disgusts me what lengths people will go to just to be "right".

I have been researching this case since day one and I have well over 300 email contacts of people that believe that various family members on Crystal's side committed this crime, but most agree that it was Marie that was behind the plan.

Maybe how many people you believe do not believe that, is based on who you associate, communicate, and research with.

When one makes assumptions, they often do not get or give accurate information.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 10:15 AM

Very respectfully but being "dishonest" in a loose poll is nothing compared to some of the vile things that have been posted on the net regarding the Cummings family, who until they are charged with a crime, are still crime victims. Not to mention professional people posting on websites to further their own agendas. IMO there are a lot of people who might have a hard time looking in the mirror regarding this case.

A couple of points.

Let's say you are me, looking at the vote tallies to put together the results I posted. You see that a member wrote in a new choice, and voted for it. In the next few minutes over 30 votes are cast for that same choice, from the same computer, using an "anonymous" proxy. Other votes for this choice are cast the same way. Other choices don't show this pattern. What would you conclude?

The argument that "It's OK for me to be dishonest because my opponent is dishonest" doesn't work in any place I know of.

This poll is in no way scientific, obviously. And it doesn't matter - the facts are what they are regardless of how many people believe in a position, and that's all that will ultimately be considered by a jury. Myself, I have not been following the case, so I don't know. I do know that I admire people who back up their position well, even if they are in the minority. There is no logically validating concept of "Proved because lots of people agree with me", so I have zero respect for people that argue that way or try to make it look that way. It's illogic, insecurity and insincerity all rolled in to one ugly package.

Please note that I'm not directing these comments at you, individually, but I'm just responding to your remarks. I don't know where anyone stands and it's not important for this discussion. I know there is passion around this case, and passion is admirable but it's also the enemy of reason.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 10:20 AM

...Quite frankly, it disgusts me what lengths people will go to just to be "right".

One of my favorite Lincoln quotes is "How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?" The answer is 4 - calling his tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

Right or wrong will ultimately depend on the facts, not the number of people that agree with a particular position. However, with that said, I've found the members of this site pretty much always get it right, much better than news commentators, attorneys, or the public at large. I'm trying to think of the last case our members called wrong and I'm coming up with nothing, I'm sure are some out there...

smart blonde

08-22-2009, 10:33 AM

I haven't been following this case as closely as I would have liked, because of time constraints (job, sleep), so I admit I'm not very sure why the grandmother would be such a suspect in some people's minds.

But, that's not what bothers me about the possible manipulation of the polling results.

I was so excited about having the voices- the individual voices- of each person following this case heard.

The idea was to have each individual cast one vote- and one vote only- and the results be forwarded to the media.

It is so disappointing to me if the results are null and void because one (or a few) people took it upon themselves to be dishonest and manipulate the results.

I am slow to anger, but if this is the case... shame on whomever messed up the results of this poll!

adnoid

08-22-2009, 10:38 AM

...It is so disappointing to me if the results are null and void because one (or a few) people took it upon themselves to be dishonest and manipulate the results...

Don't worry, we'll just back the manipulation out and present results with and without it - let people make up their own minds.

Annie

08-22-2009, 11:31 AM

I am still happy to have the poll. Thanks for putting it on here.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 11:37 AM

I am still happy to have the poll. Thanks for putting it on here.

We'll have more. Cheaters never prosper, you know, but they can be fun to watch.

CeeKer

08-22-2009, 11:46 AM

A couple of points.

Let's say you are me, looking at the vote tallies to put together the results I posted. You see that a member wrote in a new choice, and voted for it. In the next few minutes over 30 votes are cast for that same choice, from the same computer, using an "anonymous" proxy. Other votes for this choice are cast the same way. Other choices don't show this pattern. What would you conclude?

The argument that "It's OK for me to be dishonest because my opponent is dishonest" doesn't work in any place I know of.

This poll is in no way scientific, obviously. And it doesn't matter - the facts are what they are regardless of how many people believe in a position, and that's all that will ultimately be considered by a jury. Myself, I have not been following the case, so I don't know. I do know that I admire people who back up their position well, even if they are in the minority. There is no logically validating concept of "Proved because lots of people agree with me", so I have zero respect for people that argue that way or try to make it look that way. It's illogic, insecurity and insincerity all rolled in to one ugly package.

Please note that I'm not directing these comments at you, individually, but I'm just responding to your remarks. I don't know where anyone stands and it's not important for this discussion. I know there is passion around this case, and passion is admirable but it's also the enemy of reason.

I hear what you're saying Adnoid. Before choices were even allowed to be written in (irrc) one of the original choices went up astronomically. I think there's a lot of frustration in this case no matter what side ones on:

08-20-2009, 08:45 PM
atherella
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Wow! One of the choices changed by 88 votes in one hour a little while ago.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 01:36 PM

...I think there's a lot of frustration in this case no matter what side ones on...

Frustration is expected - there are people that know what happened to this poor kid that could talk but are not. But when someone allows their frustration to cause them to engage in dishonesty, they are lost.

Integrity is what we do when we don't think anyone is looking. Someone who cheats when they think they won't get caught is someone I won't ever trust, even if I think they're telling the truth later.

Anyway, here are some interesting results.

lonetraveler

08-22-2009, 02:22 PM

have a question. If you are a registered member, you have one vote although you are allowed to change your vote, it is still only one vote. What is stopping guests (non registered voters) from voting multiple times? Is there any way that guest can only vote once, like the registered members. I think that the poll results could be eschewed. Just asking.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 02:39 PM

...What is stopping guests (non registered voters) from voting multiple times?...

The short answer as we have it set up is "very little", and we knew this going in. If you allow guests to vote (as we have done in this forum) or post (never going to happen here) you have to realize that it's almost impossible to distinguish between one person pretending to be a multitude or an actual multitude. The question is how much effort and resources do you you want to put into preventing it? For a poll like this it's not worth setting up a bunch of real time checks that would load down the server and slow the board for everyone just because a couple of people/groups can't act like grownups. Instead we just collect data and look at it later - see above.

...I think that the poll results could be eschewed...

Well, that would be a little harsh. The overall results, however, are I am certain skewed, but the results from our members alone are certainly meaningful as we know it's one vote per member.

Malesherbes

08-22-2009, 02:46 PM

Wow, I find this poll sad, seriously- Is it even about this little girl or skewering her maternal side?

Busylady

08-22-2009, 03:23 PM

It is a shame that the poll was skewed and does not accurately reflect what the general public thinks has happened in this case, but what is a bigger shame is that people feel that they can't post their thoughts and discuss this case like adults. There is a large number of people out there that do feel like the Sheffields are involved in Haleighs disappearance but have just given up voicing their opinions. I had no doubt when the poll was started that the results would be Misty and RC because that is where the majority of WS posters that have remained stand.

This case has brought out the worst in people. I truly don’t understand the bullying and nastiness this case has brought out in people. So many people have chosen to just no longer post at WS because if you do not agree with the “popular” crowd about what happened to Haleigh, your post are taken to other forums to be mocked, your user name is mocked, awful hurtful things are said about you all over the internet, pms are altered to where you are not even comfortable answering pms any longer, you are followed from thread to thread on different cases and afraid to post for fear of an attack and a thread being disrupted on another missing persons case, and avenues are taken to try and find out your identity. Some have stuck it out others have said it is not worth it. I accept some of the responsibility for what has happened to me, because I did not use the alert button on the personal attacks, when people pmd me or emailed me an apology I trusted them, I felt we were all adults and things would work themselves out. I was also very naïve and believed everyone was here for one purpose and that was Haleigh. I was wrong and have learned a valuable lesson.
The only hope some have is that once the Haleigh case is over the people participating in these activities will just go away and they can return to WS and feel like they can freely discuss cases without any repercussions. It is a shame that a group of approximately five people have caused this much hurt and disruption amongst the WS family.

Flossie JMO

08-22-2009, 04:05 PM

i was very surprised to see the jump in vots for Marie, as I was with the Ron and Misty votes.

cajun

08-22-2009, 04:13 PM

It is a shame that the poll was skewed and does not accurately reflect what the general public thinks has happened in this case, but what is a bigger shame is that people feel that they can't post their thoughts and discuss this case like adults. There is a large number of people out there that do feel like the Sheffields are involved in Haleighs disappearance but have just given up voicing their opinions. I had no doubt when the poll was started that the results would be Misty and RC because that is where the majority of WS posters that have remained stand.

This case has brought out the worst in people. I truly don’t understand the bullying and nastiness this case has brought out in people. So many people have chosen to just no longer post at WS because if you do not agree with the “popular” crowd about what happened to Haleigh, your post are taken to other forums to be mocked, your user name is mocked, awful hurtful things are said about you all over the internet, pms are altered to where you are not even comfortable answering pms any longer, you are followed from thread to thread on different cases and afraid to post for fear of an attack and a thread being disrupted on another missing persons case, and avenues are taken to try and find out your identity. Some have stuck it out others have said it is not worth it. I accept some of the responsibility for what has happened to me, because I did not use the alert button on the personal attacks, when people pmd me or emailed me an apology I trusted them, I felt we were all adults and things would work themselves out. I was also very naïve and believed everyone was here for one purpose and that was Haleigh. I was wrong and have learned a valuable lesson.
The only hope some have is that once the Haleigh case is over the people participating in these activities will just go away and they can return to WS and feel like they can freely discuss cases without any repercussions. It is a shame that a group of approximately five people have caused this much hurt and disruption amongst the WS family.

:clap:

I could care less if I am part of the popular crowd. Being "popular" doesn't necessarily mean you are right. ;) If being popular means having secret boards where you talk bad about some members here and go to different boards under other nics and do the same, well they can have their 'popular' because being popular ain't all it's cracked up to be.

My :twocents:

wonders

08-22-2009, 04:28 PM

WOW. This makes me sad. Our first poll and someone or people is messing with it?...
I was so excited to have it. I just hope it can be worked out so that we can enjoy what it was meant to be.
I did go in and change my vote b/c I think Ron or Misty or both of them know what has happened to Haleigh.
I'm sorry about this whole mess. I really want the poll thread to stay and all of us to act our age.
Thank you for reading.

CeeKer

08-22-2009, 04:30 PM

Wow, I find this poll sad, seriously- Is it even about this little girl or skewering her maternal side?

Sad indeed for Haleigh and sad and telling that people would assume only the maternal side was skewed. 88 votes were cast in rapid succession in one hour on the 20th for RC & MC. Before Marie was an option, when the pole still appeared "clean". Why isn't that relevant as well. If true, why would a "side" that would clearly be in the lead feel the need to fudge the pole in the first place?

It's sad indeed that an idea that started out as a very good idea turned into a travesty. A sadder travesty would have been if the shenanigans hadn't been "noticed" and the poll called a "true" accounting when it was slanted almost from the get go.

crazyover88

08-22-2009, 05:10 PM

Well folks, the results to date are very interesting!

Choice|{colspan=2}All Voters Combined|{colspan=2}WS Member Voters|{colspan=2}Anonymous Voters

Her Biological Father Ron|21|2%|8|4%|13|2%

Her Biological Mother Crystal|3|0%|0|0%|3|0%

Her Step Mother Misty|130|15%|70|32%|60|10%

Her Biological Father Ron and Step Mother Misty|295|35%|72|33%|223|36%

Her Biological Mother Crystal along with an accomplice|14|2%|10|5%|4|1%

Strangers to the family|7|1%|6|3%|1|0%

Other Persons not mentioned in this poll|109|13%|38|17%|71|11%

maternal side Granny Marie with accomplices|251|30%|5|2%|246|39%

Don't know? could have been any one of them|7|1%|5|2%|2|0%

Donald Sapp & Misty|3|0%|1|0%|2|0%

Johnny Sheffield , Crystals father|5|1%|2|1%|3|0%

The Cummings Family, and the Croslin Family|1|0%|1|0%|0|0%

{colspan=7}By family side:

Father's Side|449|53%|151|69%|298|47%

Mother's Side|273|32%|17|8%|256|41%

Other|124|15%|50|23%|74|12%

What this tells me is that the general public seems evenly split but the WS members - who have really studied this matter and done some great work - overwhelmingly think Ron's family, and mainly Misty, know what happened.

And yes, I do know the proper way to spell anonymous.

Doesn't surprise me at all..WS members were allowed to read in the rumor thread where all the "locals" posted lie after lie and rumor after rumor...No surprise to me at all that the general public thinks otherwise..They wasn't able to read the lies and rumors...Which is a good thing because some in the rumor thread had agendas and stopped at nothing to fulfill their agendas... Even professionals on the case posted in the rumor thread...IMO

Annie

08-22-2009, 05:27 PM

Doesn't surprise me at all..WS members were allowed to read in the rumor thread where all the "locals" posted lie after lie and rumor after rumor...No surprise to me at all that the general public thinks otherwise..They wasn't able to read the lies and rumors...Which is a good thing because some in the rumor thread had agendas and stopped at nothing to fulfill their agendas... Even professionals on the case posted in the rumor thread...IMO

At this point I don't think we can be sure what is a lie and what isn't. We really don't know much more than we did the first day except for some background on some of the key people. Only when Haleigh is found will we know what was a lie and what was the truth. The purpose of this poll was to see what people are thinking and what they believe. I wish everyone would do it honestly. I really like to see what others think, but when some try to manipulate it for whatever reason, it messes it up for everyone.

crazyover88

08-22-2009, 06:28 PM

At this point I don't think we can be sure what is a lie and what isn't. We really don't know much more than we did the first day except for some background on some of the key people. Only when Haleigh is found will we know what was a lie and what was the truth. The purpose of this poll was to see what people are thinking and what they believe. I wish everyone would do it honestly. I really like to see what others think, but when some try to manipulate it for whatever reason, it messes it up for everyone.

BBM

Yes i can be sure of certain things that was lied about...I was in the rumor thread the night a lie was intentionally told for that persons agenda...When it was no where near the truth...Maybe you wasn't there and didn't see it go down but I was and know for a fact it was a intentional Lie...IMO That wasn't the first time lies were intentionally put out there to sway peoples opinions...IMO

adnoid

08-22-2009, 06:36 PM

...That wasn't the first time lies were intentionally put out there to sway peoples opinions...IMO

I have no idea what this incident was, so with that in mind:

1) How did you know it was a lie?

2) Did it sway your opinion?

crazyover88

08-22-2009, 07:02 PM

I have no idea what this incident was, so with that in mind:

1) How did you know it was a lie?

2) Did it sway your opinion?

1. I knew it was a lie because there was never a police report to back up what the poster said she knew as a fact..That wasn't the first time she knew something as fact that fit her agenda that later turned out completely different then what was originally said by the poster.

2. No it didn't sway MY opinion because i knew the poster had a agenda from the start..Some new posters didn't.

adnoid

08-22-2009, 07:10 PM

1. I knew it was a lie because there was never a police report to back up what the poster said she knew as a fact..That wasn't the first time she knew something as fact that fit her agenda that later turned out completely different then what was originally said by the poster.

2. No it didn't sway MY opinion because i knew the poster had a agenda from the start..Some new posters didn't.

Putting aside knowing the other poster had an agenda - I don't have a way to address that as I am unable to determine what others are actually thinking despite my wife's insistence that I should be able to...

Do you believe others are able to apply the same deductive and discriminatory techniques to the information provided as you are? In other words, are the other posters more intelligent than you, less intelligent than you, or about the same?

Malesherbes

08-22-2009, 07:19 PM

BBM

..IMO That wasn't the first time lies were intentionally put out there to sway peoples opinions...IMO

People can write Haleigh was abducted by aliens. You have a choice, believe it, or brush it off as a theory- I dont think any logical person can be swayed with out doing their own research to believe a claim an anonymous person makes-

crazyover88

08-22-2009, 07:28 PM

Putting aside knowing the other poster had an agenda - I don't have a way to address that as I am unable to determine what others are actually thinking despite my wife's insistence that I should be able to...

Do you believe others are able to apply the same deductive and discriminatory techniques to the information provided as you are? In other words, are the other posters more intelligent than you, less intelligent than you, or about the same?

Now how would you expect myself to know how intelligent other posters are? If they were new posters seeing this local claim this as fact and didn't know all the other outrageous unbelievable things this poster had posted previous on the rumor thread how were they suppose to know her agenda?

adnoid

08-22-2009, 07:34 PM

Now how would you expect myself to know how intelligent other posters are? If they were new posters seeing this local claim this as fact and didn't know all the other outrageous unbelievable things this poster had posted previous on the rumor thread how were they suppose to know her agenda?

My point is that you are able to figure it out by thinking for yourself. Do you believe that other posters are at least as capable of doing so as you are? If not, why not?

My intent is not to be argumentative. In my own life I don't just believe everything I read, and I think I'm safe in saying that you do not, either. Yet you are concerned that other people WILL believe the first thing they read. I'd like to understand why you think that.

In my life I start out by assuming people are at least as sharp as I am if not more so until and unless they prove otherwise. So my assumption would be that someone I don't know joining the discussion would look at what was being presented as critically as I would.

crazyover88

08-22-2009, 07:34 PM

People can write Haleigh was abducted by aliens. You have a choice, believe it, or brush it off as a theory- I dont think any logical person can be swayed with out doing their own research to believe a claim an anonymous person makes-

Really? I found it odd that in the beginning people felt sorry for RC but once the rumors and lies started it all changed..(read the beginning threads of this case) Once people were told he was involved with the mexican drug cartel and he robbed the biggest drug dealer in town.. Peoples opinions started to change...Well them rumors only came from a few "locals" with agendas...IMO

Have a good evening. (family time)

Malesherbes

08-22-2009, 07:44 PM

Really? I found it odd that in the beginning people felt sorry for RC but once the rumors and lies started it all changed..(read the beginning threads of this case) Once people were told he was involved with the mexican drug cartel and he robbed the biggest drug dealer in town.. Peoples opinions started to change...Well them rumors only came from a few "locals" with agendas...IMO

Have a good evening. (family time)

In the beginning, I thought Crystal took the child- weird huh? Now I hope to god that Crystal really did and she is still alive- except I know Haleighs Dad married a teen who really should be featured on Maurys out of control teen show, and she is not cooperating with cops and has amenisa about the night a child went missing in her care-

I never even heard he may have sold her or ripped off anyone until a few weeks ago- prior to that, I thought he was guilty because he married Misty, got a memorial tat on his body, made statements like, he would give his life for his childs life back, etc-

So for some people, it has nothing to do with his alleged druggie lifestyle- I base my opinion on him based on FACTS like, wow, hes awaiting court dates for beating up his wifes family, meaning even Mistys Dad, who wont press charges because he doesnt want to upset Misty- But the guy hit Mistys Dad-

Jeez- what a winner-

smart blonde

08-22-2009, 08:20 PM

Here's the thing (for me at least)...

As I stated above, I haven't had the chance to follow this case as closely as I would have liked lately.

But, I didn't miss a single post or news article about it in the first couple of months after she disappeared.

My opinion, and therefore the single vote I cast in this poll, reflected what I had learned at the beginning of this case.

So, when I saw that some suspected the grandmother, I became intrigued and wanted to learn more- wanted to know why.

But, when I learned there was a possibility the results for this poll were being skewered, or manipulated, that choice lost all credibility for me.

If one needs to cheat by casting more than one vote for their choice, that person must not have faith that their vote holds enough creedence to stand on it's own.

Malesherbes

08-22-2009, 08:26 PM

) Once people were told he was involved with the mexican drug cartel and he robbed the biggest drug dealer in town.. Peoples opinions started to change...IMO

Have a good evening. (family time)

But, when I learned there was a possibility the results for this poll were being skewered, or manipulated, that choice lost all credibility for me.

So, if the poll was manipulated, and I am quite sure it was, how is that any different than people posting about Ron and his possible involvement in a drug cartel, I mean taking time to manipulate a poll, quite grossly, may I add is the exact same thing-

smart blonde

08-22-2009, 08:27 PM

I'm going to state the obvious here...

'Hijacking' a plane is stealing.

'Carjacking' a vehicle is stealing.

'Poll-jacking' this voting forum is stealing.

Sorry, I just hate 'sneaky' as much as I hate a thief.

TopGunner

08-23-2009, 12:03 AM

Doesn't surprise me at all..WS members were allowed to read in the rumor thread where all the "locals" posted lie after lie and rumor after rumor...No surprise to me at all that the general public thinks otherwise..They wasn't able to read the lies and rumors...Which is a good thing because some in the rumor thread had agendas and stopped at nothing to fulfill their agendas... Even professionals on the case posted in the rumor thread...IMO

I take exception here Crazyover88. The locals were here with Tricia's permission, appreciation, and invitation. They spent many, many hours on WS trying to answer questions and help with the case. Calling them liars is incorrect and inappropriate. I also greatly appreciate all the time they gave us, they're good people. There may be an exception or two, but it's not fair to the rest to lump them together. The professionals in the case were also invited by Tricia. Maybe you should take this up with her then.

yosande

08-23-2009, 12:34 AM

Really? I found it odd that in the beginning people felt sorry for RC but once the rumors and lies started it all changed..(read the beginning threads of this case) Once people were told he was involved with the mexican drug cartel and he robbed the biggest drug dealer in town.. Peoples opinions started to change...Well them rumors only came from a few "locals" with agendas...IMO

Have a good evening. (family time)

I never based my opinion on mexican drug cartel rumors.

I based my opinion on the video clips I saw of the people involved, and on the custody hearing documents.

Even though I was moved by RC's tears in the first video clip I saw of him, within minutes I was questioning his sincerity, he started off touching my heart but by the end of the very first clip I ever saw of him, I felt as though he was being deceptive.

Misty was never believable to me.

I wondered and questioned the absence of her family from a supportive aspect.

AS was completely unbelievable to me, although she might have been if she had spoken about being there within days, but when she spoke of being there after it was reported Misty may not have been there, I didn't believe her for a minute, and the fact that TN said she had gone over there before she said she sent ggm over there caused me to question everything else she said as well. She began to look an awful lot like Cindy A. to me.

I never once thought RC was a big time drug dealer.
I certainly never thought he robbed a drug dealer, or cartel, b/c if he had, he would have been dead, and the story would not have been about Haleigh.

I always suspected Misty, I was undecided about Ron until he married her.
I questioned both Misty's family, and Ron's family.
I do think Misty's family knows, and a couple of them assisted her as she assisted Ron, and I do think Ron's family may or may not know what happened to Haleigh, but they do know Ron's inability to control his temper, and his violent nature, and they are enablers, imo. If they don't know what happened to Haleigh, it's b/c they don't want to know.

I do think RC, TN, and AS are manipulative people. I do think Misty is capable of anything.

I looked at Crystal and her family, and though they aren't the Waltons, I don't think they had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh.
Crystal drove 400 miles every other weekend to see her kids. She didn't have to, she could have moved on, but she didn't. She always wanted her kids, and imo, he was deceptive in taking them, keeping them, and gaining custody of them. Furthermore, his choice in babysitters, and job shifts enhanced the likelyhood of what occurred to Haleigh.
That's my opinion, and I do have a right to it, but I thought it important to express why it is what it is. :)

ETA; I wanted to believe it was a stranger, and researched three of the RSOs that I felt could have been involved.
I strongly suspected CR, and TL. I didn't want to believe that her daddy, or her babysitter/stepmommy were involved but after the wedding, it was obvious to me that they were. moo

adnoid

08-23-2009, 01:03 AM

...If one needs to cheat by casting more than one vote for their choice, that person must not have faith that their vote holds enough creedence to stand on it's own.

You got it.

RJA00

08-23-2009, 01:35 AM

I take exception here Crazyover88. The locals were here with Tricia's permission, appreciation, and invitation. They spent many, many hours on WS trying to answer questions and help with the case. Calling them liars is incorrect and inappropriate. I also greatly appreciate all the time they gave us, they're good people. There may be an exception or two, but it's not fair to the rest to lump them together. The professionals in the case were also invited by Tricia. Maybe you should take this up with her then.

top

the only problem I have with locals posting rumors. we really don't know what there agenda was, did they have argument years ago with the family and holding a grudge. we don't who they are.

I don't mind reading the rumors but you have to think before you believe what they say,

maybe ron jilted there daughter or somebody in the family or there a family member that just dont like him, there was some rumors that was found to be right out false, once something it said it just gets bigger and bigger,

my key has not changed from day one. that is and still is the child support letter

I love websleuths :)

crazyover88

08-23-2009, 01:44 AM

I take exception here Crazyover88. The locals were here with Tricia's permission, appreciation, and invitation. They spent many, many hours on WS trying to answer questions and help with the case. Calling them liars is incorrect and inappropriate. I also greatly appreciate all the time they gave us, they're good people. There may be an exception or two, but it's not fair to the rest to lump them together. The professionals in the case were also invited by Tricia. Maybe you should take this up with her then.

They spent many many hours spreading rumors TG no facts...Hence the RUMOR Thread...Help with the case i see nothing IMO they did for the case other than to add more Drama intentionally..IMO

AnnaFl was welcomed and also Banned when she went against certain players in the case...After weeks of her being rude, snarky and just plain mean...She was only banned when she started telling the other sides dirty little secrets..IMO After all this is all based on my opinions and i am allowed a opinion right? If posters are allowed to say in their opinion Ronald Cummings killed his child why shouldn't I be allowed to say the locals had a agenda?

crazyover88

08-23-2009, 01:49 AM

Oh and just for the record i only voted once...I voted for someone else...It only matters who the evidence points to...WS members or the public's opinion isn't going to convict someone only the evidence that LE has can do that...

TopGunner

08-23-2009, 05:59 AM

They spent many many hours spreading rumors TG no facts...Hence the RUMOR Thread...Help with the case i see nothing IMO they did for the case other than to add more Drama intentionally..IMO

AnnaFl was welcomed and also Banned when she went against certain players in the case...After weeks of her being rude, snarky and just plain mean...She was only banned when she started telling the other sides dirty little secrets..IMO After all this is all based on my opinions and i am allowed a opinion right? If posters are allowed to say in their opinion Ronald Cummings killed his child why shouldn't I be allowed to say the locals had a agenda?

Aren't you local Crazyover88? Do you have an agenda? If I pull all the posts you've made, can you back them up with a link?

I rest my case.

stilettos

08-23-2009, 11:24 AM

I totally agree! Like I told a friend of mine the other day, I pretty much, eat, sleep and breathe this case, and there is NO way on God's green Earth, that there are over 300 people on the planet that think Marie Griffis is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.
Manipulation? Absolutely. Quite frankly, it disgusts me what lengths people will go to just to be "right".

I am truly astounded. This has descended into the abyss of trivial nonsense and is shameful in my book. When did this become personal to the point of rigging the outcome of a poll at WS? I thought we of varied opinions were all here for HaLeigh and other victims.....I sadly find that I was wrong...dead wrong. I am embarassed.

stilettos

08-23-2009, 11:29 AM

Frustration is expected - there are people that know what happened to this poor kid that could talk but are not. But when someone allows their frustration to cause them to engage in dishonesty, they are lost.

Integrity is what we do when we don't think anyone is looking. Someone who cheats when they think they won't get caught is someone I won't ever trust, even if I think they're telling the truth later.

Anyway, here are some interesting results.

Night Owls....I am getting old...no night shift here.:eek:

raeann

08-23-2009, 12:03 PM

I am truly astounded. This has descended into the abyss of trivial nonsense and is shameful in my book. When did this become personal to the point of rigging the outcome of a poll at WS? I thought we of varied opinions were all here for HaLeigh and other victims.....I sadly find that I was wrong...dead wrong. I am embarassed.

I just came to look at this thread today.....may I ask why the wording of the listing for Marie is snarky and a bit insulting in and of itself, when none of the other options are worded this way? Why is it "granny Marie" which in my opinion is a demeaning way to say it? The other listings are simply the name or description of the individual/s--yet this one is a put down in itself. The one other time that I briefly looked at this poll, the numbers were at well over 70% total for Ron/MC/and family as to being involved. This poll has obviously been manipulated recently and is not representative in any way of true opinion. One option does not suddenly get hundreds of votes in quick sequential order, unless an agenda is being forced into the poll by a particular group. Shameful behavior such as this does not change the facts, nor does it change the opinion of the vast majority of the people or of LE. Good try, somewhat pitiful act of desperation, but no one is falling for it.

imoo

Helplessly Hoping

08-23-2009, 12:12 PM

Very respectfully but being "dishonest" in a loose poll is nothing compared to some of the vile things that have been posted on the net regarding the Cummings family, who until they are charged with a crime, are still crime victims. Not to mention professional people posting on websites to further their own agendas. IMO there are a lot of people who might have a hard time looking in the mirror regarding this case.

Very naive and unfair to suggest that only the Cummings have been "victims" of vile things as both sides have suffered. It is this blatant bias that causes more problems IMHO.

kittylyn461

08-23-2009, 12:18 PM

I'm going to state the obvious here...

'Hijacking' a plane is stealing.

'Carjacking' a vehicle is stealing.

'Poll-jacking' this voting forum is stealing.

Sorry, I just hate 'sneaky' as much as I hate a thief.

I for one Have been watching this poll to see the numbers go up and even watched one day while the Poll against Ron climb like it was on a auto vote .and that is sad why NOT find out what people really think and not SWAY the vote?I see everyone is saying Marie was the one that was being compromised HECK, no I bet if they did a graf they would find that it was Ron that was compromised and show a incline that was out right swaying imo. And did anyone think that maybe since they can't post and you don't know who they are they can HONESTLY vote and not be picked apart or sluethed? YEs sluethed I know that posters are doing that from this forum and that is Sad that they take their own person agenda of what happen to them and how dare i will fight my own personal life battle and almost like they are on a crusade to justify there pain or vendetta on a missling little girl YEAH Haleigh Cummings is missing does anyone care anymore? Or is it now so personal? Maybe the real truth of how people feel is coming out I can't believe the attacks are coming left and right of how this and that, more tit for tat. I have not posted on this case due to all the tit for tat and how some get away with the outright rude,obnoxious comments . SO sad when i joined this forum i believed it was great place to post, but the last 6 months i have watched alot of Junk going on and have lost the happiness i felt when i logged in to help find a little girl. I find myself not wanting to voice my opinion so that i don't get outed on other forums and yes EVEN attacked at AH site about personal things using me as a example of how i would feel. Why has everyone lost the focus of what this even started out to be HaLeigh Cummings? I for one hope that the poll is not compromised and that you all can sleep at night, knowing that the little girl we all fell in love with is wanting to come home and all the BS that is stopping the focus needs to cease ,Good people that we were working hard at finding the baby have left before long this forum is going to be a ghosttown and I hope the administator realize it before it is to late . You have a GANG that is destroying your forum Tricia and it is Really sad, these Children need us to help find them. And furthermore Haleigh needs to come home.

Haleigh we love you honey and are trying to find you!!!!

kittylyn461

08-23-2009, 12:36 PM

Really? I found it odd that in the beginning people felt sorry for RC but once the rumors and lies started it all changed..(read the beginning threads of this case) Once people were told he was involved with the mexican drug cartel and he robbed the biggest drug dealer in town.. Peoples opinions started to change...Well them rumors only came from a few "locals" with agendas...IMO

Have a good evening. (family time)

Jmo but I watched the RT become a Vendetta to destroy Ron and each of those rumors were squashed no FACTS became of them, but they are still lingering around and able to be posted over and over and over. I for one feel that the personal attacks are what destroyed the confidence in people and felt the only way they could post was to join. you know the saying if you can't beat them Join them . Well I for one am my own person and what i think or feel is not swayed by rumors or agenda's. I judge a person by the inside not the cover. I don't feel the need to have my personal page have albums making fun of the family , I don't have twitters, i don't have photoshop, all i have is my own thoughts and feelings and do not allow someone to make me be in the GANG, or to feel the need to fit in i am allright with being the NERD. I am here for Haleigh and not the games.

stilettos

08-23-2009, 12:45 PM

Jmo but I watched the RT become a Vendetta to destroy Ron and each of those rumors were squashed no FACTS became of them, but they are still lingering around and able to be posted over and over and over. I for one feel that the personal attacks are what destroyed the confidence in people and felt the only way they could post was to join. you know the saying if you can't beat them Join them . Well I for one am my own person and what i think or feel is not swayed by rumors or agenda's. I judge a person by the inside not the cover. I don't feel the need to have my personal page have albums making fun of the family , I don't have twitters, i don't have photoshop, all i have is my own thoughts and feelings and do not allow someone to make me be in the GANG, or to feel the need to fit in i am allright with being the NERD. I am here for Haleigh and not the games.

kittylyn...I am happy that you have the right to post your opinion. I also have that right and thank the admin and mods for it. I am sorry that you feel that the RT is not the place that puts your ideas forward. I have found it and the mod there, fair and unbiased. Just because many people have come to feel that by his behavior and public arrest record RC has become a person of some suspicion, does not mean we are a GANG. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it....I have never seen anyone here at WS trying to coerce another to "be or do" anything. Hopefully, you will be able to post with us even though you do not agree with our opinion.

Helplessly Hoping

08-23-2009, 12:53 PM

Jmo but I watched the RT become a Vendetta to destroy Ron and each of those rumors were squashed no FACTS became of them, but they are still lingering around and able to be posted over and over and over. I for one feel that the personal attacks are what destroyed the confidence in people and felt the only way they could post was to join. you know the saying if you can't beat them Join them . Well I for one am my own person and what i think or feel is not swayed by rumors or agenda's. I judge a person by the inside not the cover. I don't feel the need to have my personal page have albums making fun of the family , I don't have twitters, i don't have photoshop, all i have is my own thoughts and feelings and do not allow someone to make me be in the GANG, or to feel the need to fit in i am allright with being the NERD. I am here for Haleigh and not the games.

Kitty...no one is forced to post here at WS and Tricia, Top etc do a fabulous job IMO--

BBM-- I find that sadly all we have to use as a guide to "judge" people in this sad saga is their criminal records and behaviors....my opinions are formed by these factors and I don't give a rat's azz or head if ANYONE agrees with me....JMO

kittylyn461

08-23-2009, 01:16 PM

kittylyn...I am happy that you have the right to post your opinion. I also have that right and thank the admin and mods for it. I am sorry that you feel that the RT is not the place that puts your ideas forward. I have found it and the mod there, fair and unbiased. Just because many people have come to feel that by his behavior and public arrest record RC has become a person of some suspicion, does not mean we are a GANG. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it....I have never seen anyone here at WS trying to coerce another to "be or do" anything. Hopefully, you will be able to post with us even though you do not agree with our opinion.

I am going to be very nice when i say this but IMO and I stand by my thoughts and feelings in regard to this opinion of mine. I know and can name at least 5 people that have done everything and alot things on this forums and other to get them shut down . I have watched these people and their followers "I've got your back kinda thing" and I really find it childlike behavior It does seem though that certain people feel they need and want to argue. I for one don't so This is my last thought on this and will not further discuss to just make someone happy to argue.

Blackwatch

08-23-2009, 01:44 PM

I never fully realized what a thankless job the mods have until I read this thread in its entirety. I've found most of the mods here to be fair and unbiased - THANK YOU.

Secondly, I've noticed the cat whose tail is CAUGHT in the door usually screeches the loudest.

crazyover88

08-23-2009, 02:22 PM

Aren't you local Crazyover88? Do you have an agenda? If I pull all the posts you've made, can you back them up with a link?

I rest my case.

I don't recall ever stating i was local to the Satsuma Area..No agenda on my part.. I came to WS for Haleigh unlike others..Could you pull up my post where i stated i was a local and knew things for a fact? TIA

Malesherbes

08-23-2009, 02:44 PM

I never fully realized what a thankless job the mods have until I read this thread in its entirety. I've found most of the mods here to be fair and unbiased - THANK YOU.

Secondly, I've noticed the cat whose tail is CAUGHT in the door usually screeches the loudest.

I will cosign this post!

Gracenote

08-23-2009, 03:16 PM

I have to say this is a very enjoyable thread because we have the usual debate going on BUT with mods interacting more and sort of acting as facilitators in a support group. Detached, logical, reasonable. I would like to have more of these, but I think the mods would run away *LOL*

TopGunner

08-23-2009, 03:18 PM

I don't recall ever stating i was local to the Satsuma Area..No agenda on my part.. I came to WS for Haleigh unlike others..Could you pull up my post where i stated i was a local and knew things for a fact? TIA

You might want to check your PM's, like real quick.:)

kittylyn461

08-23-2009, 03:37 PM

You might want to check your PM's, like real quick.:)

Hi TG

kittylyn461

08-23-2009, 03:44 PM

I don't recall ever stating i was local to the Satsuma Area..No agenda on my part.. I came to WS for Haleigh unlike others..Could you pull up my post where i stated i was a local and knew things for a fact? TIA

Crazy You never said you were a LOCAL you said you lived near by i was in that SG with you , and I have a great memory and if the SG posts are posted for all then I think ALL the SG"S should be displayed for ALL to see the workings of what has became a division. JMO ! Sad WHO cares about anyone thinks. I KNOW that I only gave out personal information to a choosen few and one person that i truly trusted turned on me also and broadcast it to other forum's our personal conversations. JMO

adnoid

08-23-2009, 04:01 PM

...may I ask why the wording of the listing for Marie is snarky and a bit insulting in and of itself, when none of the other options are worded this way?...

The first 7 options were put up by Tricia when she made the poll. We set the poll up to allow write in votes, so the ones after the seventh were all added by other members. The member that added that option would be the best one to answer your question.

Pondering Mind

08-23-2009, 04:20 PM

The first 7 options were put up by Tricia when she made the poll. We set the poll up to allow write in votes, so the ones after the seventh were all added by other members. The member that added that option would be the best one to answer your question.

Hi adnoid! How do we find who added the other options? (very technology challenged here :crazy:) I 'believe' it was Flossie just by reading the first thread, but is there a way to see who added what options? just curious..

ETA-Big TY to admin/mods for bringing back our RT, (it looks like everyones trying to be good :)) and for making WS the wonderful place I love to read and post! :woohoo:

raeann

08-23-2009, 04:52 PM

The first 7 options were put up by Tricia when she made the poll. We set the poll up to allow write in votes, so the ones after the seventh were all added by other members. The member that added that option would be the best one to answer your question.

I understand, now, the later options were added....and that is how the wording got to be so insinuating and inappropriate. If that member is interested in being respectful they should change the wording to the proper name as the others are worded. If not, then I hope that the mods will consider changing it themselves. Thanks for explaining this and for putting up with all of our opinions!

JMO

Malesherbes

08-23-2009, 05:56 PM

Also, just an observation-

Granny Theresa is the one in this story who has actually lawyered up- yet she isn't a featured option- like Marie is-

Flossie JMO

08-23-2009, 06:12 PM

Hi adnoid! How do we find who added the other options? (very technology challenged here :crazy:) I 'believe' it was Flossie just by reading the first thread, but is there a way to see who added what options? just curious..

ETA-Big TY to admin/mods for bringing back our RT, (it looks like everyones trying to be good :)) and for making WS the wonderful place I love to read and post! :woohoo:

I added the Granny Marie with accomplices option and changed my vote from others to her. I believe she is behind HaLeigh's abduction.

Helplessly Hoping

08-23-2009, 06:17 PM

I added the Granny Marie with accomplices option and changed my vote from others to her. I believe she is behind HaLeigh's abduction.

No surprise.

Flossie JMO

08-23-2009, 06:20 PM

Also, just an observation-

Granny Theresa is the one in this story who has actually lawyered up- yet she isn't a featured option- like Marie is-

You could add her if you like. I don't believe she is involved in any way, but if someone did think that why not add her?

adnoid

08-23-2009, 06:28 PM

No surprise.

What the hell kind of remark is that to make to another poster here? Do you talk to people in real life that way?

Flossie JMO

08-23-2009, 06:32 PM

Thanks Adnoid, I didn't see that until you quoted it.

yosande

08-23-2009, 06:36 PM

I understand, now, the later options were added....and that is how the wording got to be so insinuating and inappropriate. If that member is interested in being respectful they should change the wording to the proper name as the others are worded. If not, then I hope that the mods will consider changing it themselves. Thanks for explaining this and for putting up with all of our opinions!

JMO

I don't think they can be changed, edited or deleted after they are added. If they could I would delete the one I added, which was the Cummings family and the Croslin family. It's not that I changed my mind, but rather found one that expressed my opinion better than my own. lol
fwiw. :)

Flossie JMO

08-23-2009, 06:42 PM

I see nothing wrong with the wording of the option I added.

Malesherbes

08-23-2009, 07:05 PM

You could add her if you like. I don't believe she is involved in any way, but if someone did think that why not add her?

What does it matter now that someone manipulated the option you selected? I really dont feel like adding her, then having to find a billion different proxy servers to manipulate the poll- I mean its already been rigged, its ruined- I mean sorry but its pathetic.

badme102

08-23-2009, 07:14 PM

What does it matter now that someone manipulated the option you selected? I really dont feel like adding her, then having to find a billion different proxy servers to manipulate the poll- I mean its already been rigged, its ruined- I mean sorry but its pathetic.
OK, I agree to a point, but listen..please..The point is that Adnoid has already posted that he is aware of this scheme and it's not going to fly. Look at the REAL results when they come out.
Look at the ones he already posted. IIRC, I think Marie received a total of 3 REAL votes. That is more believable than over 300.

Also, IMO, no matter what the poll says, won't change the fact that Misty was the key, is the key, and will be the key to the investigation of Haleigh's disappearance. No poll numbers, cheaters, or manipulators will change that fact.

Let those people that cheated live with what they have done if they so choose. Please don't let them ruin a good thing that Tricia and the mods (and the GOOD people at WS) have going here. :blowkiss:

Malesherbes

08-23-2009, 07:16 PM

OK, I agree to a point, but listen..please..The point is that Adnoid has already posted that he is aware of this scheme and it's not going to fly. Look at the REAL results when they come out.
Look at the ones he already posted. IIRC, I think Marie received a total of 3 REAL votes. That is more believable than over 300.

Also, IMO, no matter what the poll says, won't change the fact that Misty was the key, is the key, and will be the key to the investigation of Haleigh's disappearance. No poll numbers, cheaters, or manipulators will change that fact.

Let those people that cheated live with what they have done if they so choose. Please don't let them ruin a good thing that Tricia and the mods (and the GOOD people at WS) have going here. :blowkiss:

Thats true, I agree. I mean I am just saying what is the point of adding anyone anymore when its been grossly manipulated?:blowkiss:

Helplessly Hoping

08-23-2009, 07:22 PM

What the hell kind of remark is that to make to another poster here? Do you talk to people in real life that way?

Sometimes I do, Adnoid, as real life calls for tough decisions and I've had to make tough calls for eons... I believe I am a very generous poster and more often than not, kind...however, I do call them as I see them. Before you judge me on one post, I encourage you to check out my previous posts (and those of the poster I was responding to....) as I try to be fair and present facts---but I guess I took the bait here and, for that, I do sincerely apologize. MOO

adnoid

08-23-2009, 07:50 PM

Thanks Adnoid, I didn't see that until you quoted it.

Are you trying to make the point that you have someone on ignore and you want everyone to know it? If so, congratulations on dropping a notch. Sheesh.

adnoid

08-23-2009, 08:18 PM

Sometimes I do, Adnoid, as real life calls for tough decisions and I've had to make tough calls for eons...

As do I, but there's no need to be insulting.

Helplessly Hoping

08-23-2009, 08:34 PM

As do I, but there's no need to be insulting.

My post was NOT meant to be insulting...sometime perceptions are tricky....:)

adnoid

08-23-2009, 08:43 PM

My post was NOT meant to be insulting...sometime perceptions are tricky....:)

Yeah, I guess I'm not real bright. I appreciate your understanding.

Flossie JMO

08-23-2009, 08:47 PM

Are you trying to make the point that you have someone on ignore and you want everyone to know it? If so, congratulations on dropping a notch. Sheesh.

No I wasn't. I'll leave it alone now.

CrankyPants

08-23-2009, 08:48 PM

It looks as though adnoid has been given a little taste of the snark that runs rampant through the Haleigh threads. I personally have been the recipient of snotty comments and insults. The people who are so solidly in the "RC DID IT" camp seem to feel as though he is also responsible for all the world's problems. When I posted a link to a public entity's guidelines in an effort to help posters determine on their own whether or not a specific rule existed, someone decided I was on the "other side". Since then, there has been plenty of rudeness and snark directed at me. The thing is, the posters handing out the heaping helpings of steaming nastiness are careful enough to phrase their insults such that a mod would have to wade through pages to see what is really going on. One poster in particular likes to use smileys in a particularly insulting way.

I don't really give a crap what any of you think about me as I'm sure you don't care what I think of you. I would suggest to those that can't seem to stop themselves from attacking posters they perceive to be on the "other side" that they need to take a look at themselves to figure out why they feel compelled to attack total strangers on a public forum.

It is ALL ABOUT HALEIGH!!! We won't know who is responsible or what happened until LE solves this case.

smart blonde

08-23-2009, 09:21 PM

I don't believe I have ever posted on the Haleigh threads- I have done a lot of reading on them, but no posting. I have never tried to sway anyone's opinion, just wanted to learn as much as I could and make my own decision based on what I learned.

I respect every person's individual decision, and their right to have that decision.

One of the many reasons I love Websleuths, is for the differing points of view.

I am just disappointed that we couldn't have an 'honor system' poll, where each person, member or non-member, simply casts one vote... and then wait to learn the tally.

I think it was a great idea, and hope we can try it again in the future with more honest results.

Helplessly Hoping

08-23-2009, 10:51 PM

Yeah, I guess I'm not real bright. I appreciate your understanding.

I never said a word about your intellect???? I don't need thanks or appreciation for understanding different people's views....It comes with who I am as a person....and it's not a bad thing...BTW I emailed you :)

Gracenote

08-23-2009, 11:08 PM

I like the poll idea, if you want my opinion. (I just know you do) I love statistics, how they can be broken down into component parts and examined like atoms. And even, yes, how people respond to them, how they perceive them and choose to react to the results. (I confess, I was a Sociology major) I appreciate Adnoid's work and I hope the polls will continue. With the ability to break out members stats from guests, we should get a good idea of member's attitudes on various topics.

God I'm boring.

Animal04216

08-24-2009, 12:06 AM

I have to reply to this. I have said over and over that if there is any attack anywhere you should alert to it. WE have around 4 million posts here--can you read that many every day? I assume all of the regular posters here are adults and I would hope that they act like it however occasionaly we do get nasty or snarky remarks made. The mods wont know if we arent alerted to them. The majority of us are just like all of you we have lives outside of WS. If you have a problem with the way a thread is moderated go to an admin, we will look into it. It really is easy. I also want to point out, since I recently took over modding the Haleigh forum, that BOTH sides give theri share of rudeness toward the other.

It looks as though adnoid has been given a little taste of the snark that runs rampant through the Haleigh threads. I personally have been the recipient of snotty comments and insults. The people who are so solidly in the "RC DID IT" camp seem to feel as though he is also responsible for all the world's problems. When I posted a link to a public entity's guidelines in an effort to help posters determine on their own whether or not a specific rule existed, someone decided I was on the "other side". Since then, there has been plenty of rudeness and snark directed at me. The thing is, the posters handing out the heaping helpings of steaming nastiness are careful enough to phrase their insults such that a mod would have to wade through pages to see what is really going on. One poster in particular likes to use smileys in a particularly insulting way.

I don't really give a crap what any of you think about me as I'm sure you don't care what I think of you. I would suggest to those that can't seem to stop themselves from attacking posters they perceive to be on the "other side" that they need to take a look at themselves to figure out why they feel compelled to attack total strangers on a public forum.

It is ALL ABOUT HALEIGH!!! We won't know who is responsible or what happened until LE solves this case.

gitana1

08-24-2009, 02:42 AM

I added the last option but maybe I just should have clicked on "others". My sense has been very early on that Misty knows something - her story is sketchy to me. But I believe she likely left the kids alone to party while her boyfriend was gone. She was 17 and in a relationship, responsible for two kids. That's a big burden for someone her age. She might have staged things after she came home and found Haleigh missing. I get a feeling that the abductor is someone who knew the family and their patterns and stalked Haleigh. What sways me from Misty killing the child is a sense I get from her - irresponsible, on the margins, not too affected by the disapperance of Haleigh, but not sophisticated enough to kill her, hide the body and any evidence, etc. I think she panicked when she found Haliegh gone and is lying to keep people from knowing she neglected the kids and created this situation.
I don't believe the dad knows anything much. The panic, fear and anger shown by him in the initial 911 call was very believable to me.
I don't think any of the extended family is sophisticated enough to execute such a kidnapping with Misty still in the house, and then to keep her hidden for this long. Haleigh has a distinct face. I think she'd be hard to hide.
A stranger to the family may have kidnapped Haleigh but I think someone who knew them well and their patterns is a better bet. Who? I don't know.
IMO it does seem this poll was manipulated and that's a shame because I'd love to see what percentages are really out there. I think there must be a way to prevent much false voting however, if the voting by guests is only done after registering their e-mail addresses and then adding a mechanism that remembers the e-mails registered such that mutliple votes cannot be made by one with the same e-mail address. That would help reduce multiple votes by the same person, I think. JMO! Otherwise, I think the poll idea is great. It just needs to be fine-tuned.

Tricia

08-24-2009, 04:50 AM

I don't believe I have ever posted on the Haleigh threads- I have done a lot of reading on them, but no posting. I have never tried to sway anyone's opinion, just wanted to learn as much as I could and make my own decision based on what I learned.

I respect every person's individual decision, and their right to have that decision.

One of the many reasons I love Websleuths, is for the differing points of view.

I am just disappointed that we couldn't have an 'honor system' poll, where each person, member or non-member, simply casts one vote... and then wait to learn the tally.

I think it was a great idea, and hope we can try it again in the future with more honest results.

It is only because we opened up the voting to the public that this happened. What is so ironic is the person(s) voting over and over for "Grandma Marie" just pointed a big red arrow at themselves.

The investigators could be asking themselves, "Why would someone take an interest in making sure Grandma Marie had the most votes. What is in it for the person(s) doing this?"

The answer is the people trying to screw up the poll have something to hide. The only thing I can think of that needs to be hidden is guilt.

Good news is we can eliminate the repeat voters. Their game won't work.

Yes, we will do it again. In fact we will do it often.

Tricia

08-24-2009, 05:04 AM

They spent many many hours spreading rumors TG no facts...Hence the RUMOR Thread...Help with the case i see nothing IMO they did for the case other than to add more Drama intentionally..IMO

AnnaFl was welcomed and also Banned when she went against certain players in the case...After weeks of her being rude, snarky and just plain mean...She was only banned when she started telling the other sides dirty little secrets..IMO After all this is all based on my opinions and i am allowed a opinion right? If posters are allowed to say in their opinion Ronald Cummings killed his child why shouldn't I be allowed to say the locals had a agenda?

You are so wrong. I banned AnnaFL and I did so only when I found out the stupid games she was playing.

You can't say the locals have an agenda because you are lumping everyone in one comment. And the forum is not about locals it is about Haleigh.

Ron C is a key player in this case. Therefore speculation about him is allowed.

The locals are just that. Local people posting.

Unless you can prove they had their secret meetings in the Moose Lodge on Thursday nights you have no way of knowing anything about them.

If you have complaints please PM me or email me. You are way off base here and it is very aggravating and I don't like the attention being taking away from the topic of this thread (the poll) by your complaints.

kittylyn461

08-24-2009, 08:03 AM

It is only because we opened up the voting to the public that this happened. What is so ironic is the person(s) voting over and over for "Grandma Marie" just pointed a big red arrow at themselves.

The investigators could be asking themselves, "Why would someone take an interest in making sure Grandma Marie had the most votes. What is in it for the person(s) doing this?"

The answer is the people trying to screw up the poll have something to hide. The only thing I can think of that needs to be hidden is guilt.

Good news is we can eliminate the repeat voters. Their game won't work.

Yes, we will do it again. In fact we will do it often.

I know you area the Big Boss here and I appreciate that you are trying to do this poll. But I honestly think that it is unfair to say that Marie was the only manipulated vote. I saw with my own eyes Ron go up by large numbers and I think that this poll is not fair to ANYONE. It wasn't just Marie it is all of them These posters are smarter then the average bear when it comes to proxies and changing their names to suit the need,LOL I am a parent and know all about manipulation, I have teenagers and some of the posters have acted just like that Teenagers to get their own way. And it is sad. This is about Haleigh and Here we are AGAIN argueing over a stupid poll that won't amount to meaning nothing to the LE. I for one voted for other but feel it is right that I do state that refreshing my page I saw Ron poll move by leaps and bounds. Maybe a GRAF that shows how the voting went would better show you what I mean but then it would probally show that all votes were manipulated and no one wants to know that possibly it is the truth?

Busylady

08-24-2009, 08:32 AM

I do not know how the logistics of the voting all work. I do know that I voted other and my husband voted other (we actually don't agree who was involved and yet there is still peace and harmony in the house lol). When the Marie option was added I changed my vote to vote for Marie. However now when I log on it says vote now, I have not clicked the vote now button and maybe when you do it says you have already voted, but normally once you vote that vote now button is not an option. Does this mean that the WS votes for Marie have been removed because of the votes being manipulated? Or is it because I did system maintenance and removed all my history and stuff?

kittylyn461

08-24-2009, 08:41 AM

I do not know how the logistics of the voting all work. I do know that I voted other and my husband voted other (we actually don't agree who was involved and yet there is still peace and harmony in the house lol). When the Marie option was added I changed my vote to vote for Marie. However now when I log on it says vote now, I have not clicked the vote now button and maybe when you do it says you have already voted, but normally once you vote that vote now button is not an option. Does this mean that the WS votes for Marie have been removed because of the votes being manipulated? Or is it because I did system maintenance and removed all my history and stuff?

Great question? So If someone was to use a proxie like we all assume then they could erase their cookies and revote? Maybe that is why I thought that it was autovote that day?

adnoid

08-24-2009, 08:53 AM

...Maybe a GRAF that shows how the voting went would better show you what I mean...

This is the second time you have asked for a graf, which I have not figured out a way to do. However, earlier I did post some graphs that I did of the vote tally by time:

Who Knows What Happened to Haleigh? Vote Now. No Need to be a Member - Page 3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Perhaps these will be useful to you instead.

kittylyn461

08-24-2009, 08:57 AM

This is the second dime you have asked for a graf, which I have not figured out a way to do. However, earlier I did post some graphs that I did of the vote tally by time:

Who Knows What Happened to Haleigh? Vote Now. No Need to be a Member - Page 3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4070768#post4070768)

Perhaps these will be useful to you instead.

Thanks and exactly i see where i was here that day and sure enough i see about 100 votes at 12 and then at midnite for the green the one i saw and thought there was a auto vote. Thanks I must of missed it,

LaLaw2000

08-24-2009, 09:18 AM

Wow! I came here to see how the poll was going and to read when I saw so many pages of posts were here.

I cast my vote very early on in the poll and do not need to change it. Nor do I need to vote more than once. I have only one voice here and respect that.

I voted that Ron and Misty know what happened to Haleigh. I really suspect that they do know. I had not even heard of Ronalds' record when I decided that he and Misty knew what happened to Haleigh. I was, and still am, going by my gut feelings of the very first video of Ronald and the 911 tape. That is my feeling and my opinion.

I have as a part of my signature that if I do not respond to your post, it is because I have you on ignore. I placed that in my signature because of a poster who was downright insulting to LE. I was not going to continue to go back and forth with that poster and did report her. I have since taken that poster off of my ignore list because we no longer have posts addressed to each other. In fact, there is no one on my ignore list at the moment.

As for anyone voting several times in this poll - shame on you. To thine self be true?

JustJane

08-24-2009, 11:34 AM

I voted on this thread when I first saw the notice, and I voted for #4, "Her Biological Father Ron and Step Mother Misty", because I have leaned in that direction since early on in the investigation. I tried to be objective about the key players in the case, but I kept coming back to Ron & Misty.

Now, after looking over the graphs that Adnoid so graciously put together, I am convinced of manipulation. I don’t know who caused the manipulation or the reasoning behind the manipulation, but it is evident…especially when comparing the 3 graphs. It’s obvious that the "non-member voters" attempted to skew the results of the overall poll, but I think the member-only voting graph looks fairly consistent with the discussions that have taken place over the past 6 months.

adnoid

08-24-2009, 12:15 PM

We've got a whole forum to discuss the actual case. Please copy your case discussion posts there, this thread is for discussion of the poll.

ETA We'll probably remove case discussion posts pretty soon, to keep this thread on topic.

adnoid

08-24-2009, 01:01 PM

...As for anyone voting several times in this poll - shame on you. To thine self be true?

It's something else, isn't it?

I've never worried about other people sharing my opinion, just if I was sure my thinking is right. Heck, if someone is the only person that thinks a certain way and they turn out to be right, what a feather in their cap - but if they went and made it look like lots of people agree with them, they've gone and reduced themselves to just a voice in the crowd. Pretty lousy thinking there.

Flossie JMO

08-24-2009, 01:30 PM

Wow! I came here to see how the poll was going and to read when I saw so many pages of posts were here.

I cast my vote very early on in the poll and do not need to change it. Nor do I need to vote more than once. I have only one voice here and respect that.

I voted that Ron and Misty know what happened to Haleigh. I really suspect that they do know. I had not even heard of Ronalds' record when I decided that he and Misty knew what happened to Haleigh. I was, and still am, going by my gut feelings of the very first video of Ronald and the 911 tape. That is my feeling and my opinion.

I have as a part of my signature that if I do not respond to your post, it is because I have you on ignore. I placed that in my signature because of a poster who was downright insulting to LE. I was not going to continue to go back and forth with that poster and did report her. I have since taken that poster off of my ignore list because we no longer have posts addressed to each other. In fact, there is no one on my ignore list at the moment.

As for anyone voting several times in this poll - shame on you. To thine self be true?

BBM, I agree with you, I don't know why anyone would jack the votes like that. I didn't do it.

robbie11

08-24-2009, 10:14 PM

It's something else, isn't it?

I've never worried about other people sharing my opinion, just if I was sure my thinking is right. Heck, if someone is the only person that thinks a certain way and they turn out to be right, what a feather in their cap - but if they went and made it look like lots of people agree with them, they've gone and reduced themselves to just a voice in the crowd. Pretty lousy thinking there.

Had to come out of lurking mode and say Thank You:blowkiss: your words are sad but so true....some will do whatever for that feather in their cap.

SeriouslySearching

08-25-2009, 01:01 AM

I voted other and didn't change my vote after it was allowed. I don't know who did commit this crime, but I am not seeing the proof that Ronald and Misty did anything to Haleigh. There are a number of other workable theories, motives, and possible suspects. I have presented several to investigate including the other side of Haleigh's family, Misty's family, and RSOs.

I didn't mess with the poll either. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that anyway nor do I see the point. Couldn't it have been someone completely outside of WS who has no connections to our posters?

I am confused about the way those grafts are laid out. It looks like the line for the 4th choice spikes up all at once at several points with sharp, straight up increased blocks of votes while the the line for the 8th choice gradually climbs altho at a steady rate. Adnoid, could you explain that further? Thanks.

Gracenote

08-25-2009, 01:18 AM

Thanks and exactly i see where i was here that day and sure enough i see about 100 votes at 12 and then at midnite for the green the one i saw and thought there was a auto vote. Thanks I must of missed it,

The thing is Kittylyn, if I understand correctly, Adnoid can "see" who is voting and can separate out member vs non members and he can also detect repeat/flakey votes. So if the votes that you saw were "bad" he will make the graphs reflect that. If they were all from non members then I am not counting them anyway in my head because they are suspect. Member votes, though, are pretty reliable to the extent that anything is.

I am only interested right now in what members here think.

Gracenote

08-25-2009, 01:22 AM

I voted other and didn't change my vote after it was allowed. I don't know who did commit this crime, but I am not seeing the proof that Ronald and Misty did anything to Haleigh. There are a number of other workable theories, motives, and possible suspects. I have presented several to investigate including the other side of Haleigh's family, Misty's family, and RSOs.

I didn't mess with the poll either. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that anyway nor do I see the point. Couldn't it have been someone completely outside of WS who has no connections to our posters?

I am confused about the way those grafs are laid out. It looks like the line for the 4th choice spikes up all at once at several points with sharp, straight up increased blocks of votes while the the line for the 8th choice gradually climbs altho at a steady rate. Adnoid could you explain that further? Thanks.

I noticed that, too, but my vision is so lousy I can't tell the colors apart anyway. :( I wonder what day the message was posted, because I was thinking it might have driven a lot of traffic to the poll the first day.

Be interesting to hear our statistician's explanation.

trafficsUP66

08-25-2009, 07:34 AM

Wow-this poll is all over the map! IMO Misty has been the key from the beginning, but that does not require much insight, lol.

I agree Misty is the key but not necessarily the culprit.

I voted 'someone the family knew after Misty left the kid's alone'. Someone knew she was leaving the kid's alone there at night while Ron was at work.
OR
She left the kid's in the home with one or more persons (family/friend/new aquaintance) who then took advantage of the situation and she knows full well who he/they are. She may or may not have known if he/they are SO's.

In any case, she needs to get herself to LE with a name(s) or they need to get onto her with some real prssure to get at the TRUTH now. This is a little girl that needs to be FOUND NOW and hopefully SAFE!!!! (I know what the odds are but I can't help having HOPE for this child!)

Reader

08-25-2009, 05:12 PM

It's something else, isn't it?

I've never worried about other people sharing my opinion, just if I was sure my thinking is right. Heck, if someone is the only person that thinks a certain way and they turn out to be right, what a feather in their cap - but if they went and made it look like lots of people agree with them, they've gone and reduced themselves to just a voice in the crowd. Pretty lousy thinking there.

Adnoid, I don't know if others did this or not but I created a problem for myself when I voted without signing on to the forum, even tho I'm a member. Just did it without thinking the first day of the poll.

Is there a way that I can revote as a member without changing my vote? I voted for Misty. No big problem but just wondered. I wasn't aware at the time there would be the manipulation or that members/non-members would be separated for reporting.

Also, a suggestion: as someone else mentioned, it is hard for some of us with eyesight problems to distinguish all the colors on the grafts as some are similar. I finally increased the zoom level and could make them out fairly well. I wonder if in the future the choices on the poll and on the grafts could be numbered, along with the colors, so they would be easier to follow in comments and on the grafts.

Thanks for all your work on this poll, very interesting outcomes. I'm looking forward to more and will be sure to sign in before voting!

Kimster

08-26-2009, 03:04 AM

I vote for another poll! I like them. :-D

Blackwatch

08-27-2009, 07:32 AM

I'm curious if anyone has changed their vote now that the news about Misty came out in the open.

chesterp

08-27-2009, 01:41 PM

I'm curious if anyone has changed their vote now that the news about Misty came out in the open.

NOT one bit.

momtective

08-27-2009, 04:56 PM

I'm curious if anyone has changed their vote now that the news about Misty came out in the open.

I voted other person but I think the question on the poll was different wen I voted...something like who was responsible or something like that.
Anyway, I've always thought Misty had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance, at the very least she knows what happened, but I think someone other than Misty took her...does that make sense?:waitasec:

Law_girl41

08-28-2009, 09:01 AM

Theres still an option to "change your vote".....but its sad to see such a high percentage still think CS mother Marie & co. had anything to do with this, since the latest news about Misty. Thats sad to me. Maybe we need a new pole in a week or two to see if some have rethought their choice. But I tell ya, this poll wont influence the "truth", nope, not one bit. May God shed light on the truth and give Haleigh Justice and her family peace.

Shermie

08-29-2009, 11:45 PM

I notice that in the poll, maternal Granny Marie (with accomplices) is second only to Ron and Misty having something to do with the crime. Would this be Haleigh's mother's mother? And for those Sluethers who voted that way, is it because they believe that Granny Marie would have taken Haleigh to protect her? If so, where might Haleigh be being held?

I'm sorry - this is the first time I've been back to the board in a long time, and actually the first time that I've heard that there are suspicions about Haleigh's Grandmother.

Can't wait to hear what our different Sluethers might intuit about this crime.

Lake Erie Princess

08-31-2009, 02:22 AM

Misty KNOWS what and where Haleigh is. I will never be convinced otherwise.

Cicada

09-01-2009, 06:09 PM

I have always believed that HaLeigh was caught in a battle between RC and MC. I voted killed by RC (accidental, imo) and cover up by family and gf. The alligator pond remark has always bothered me, as has the embellished emotions, then stony looks.

all jmooc

shergal

09-02-2009, 07:36 PM

I'm curious if anyone has changed their vote now that the news about Misty came out in the open.

I just changed my vote to "someone they knew because Misty had left the kids alone", but it's because I now have a different theory. I used to think the senior Sheffields took Haleigh (unknown at the time to Crystal), both to keep her from Ron who they didn't care for, and so Crystal wouldn't owe any more child support, and could possibly get back custody, since Haleigh going missing would make Ron look bad.

Then for a while I thought some drug dealer PO'd at Ron had taken Haleigh. IMO, I was making it too complex. Here's my latest theory (and I'm open to critiques - LOL) - because this might explain how Misty "knows something" but she's not clear on what she knows:

It started with a simple *itch fight. I think Amber took Haleigh with Nay Nay's help. Nay Nay possibly got Misty out of the trailer by herself (or one of their guy friends) with a promise of good drugs, a fun time, whatever. Misty figured why not, the kids were inside, what could it hurt. Not sure how exactly, maybe Misty was given stronger drugs than usual - but she blacked out. Meanwhile Amber - who was still angry over Misty getting Ron, and the "i got ur man and i will have ur baby to" comment from Misty on her myspace, took Haleigh away - possibly walking with her where the dogs tracked Haleigh's scent. (Not sure if Amber would have had help from some guy or not.) IIRC, Amber's mom left town for another state shortly after all this took place, and she could have taken Haleigh with her.

I think at the time Misty was afraid Ron would beat her to death if she admitted she was gone from the trailer all night getting high and left his kids alone, (As shown by his "why'd you let my kid get stolen, _itch?" during the 911 call.) and that's when her lies started. Plus, she may have been really confused if she had blacked out during part of the night and when they came back home Haleigh was already gone. But part of her maybe suspects Amber and Nay Nay had something to do with it. Oh geez, this has holes in it, doesn't it?? ;-) Cuz why would Misty lie to protect Amber? She has to be not telling everything to protect herself somehow. sigh. (Please be gentle tearing this apart - it's the first time I've ever offered a theory.)

Onthetrail

09-02-2009, 11:22 PM

I just changed my vote to "someone they knew because Misty had left the kids alone", but it's because I now have a different theory. I used to think the senior Sheffields took Haleigh (unknown at the time to Crystal), both to keep her from Ron who they didn't care for, and so Crystal wouldn't owe any more child support, and could possibly get back custody, since Haleigh going missing would make Ron look bad.

Then for a while I thought some drug dealer PO'd at Ron had taken Haleigh. IMO, I was making it too complex. Here's my latest theory (and I'm open to critiques - LOL) - because this might explain how Misty "knows something" but she's not clear on what she knows:

It started with a simple *itch fight. I think Amber took Haleigh with Nay Nay's help. Nay Nay possibly got Misty out of the trailer by herself (or one of their guy friends) with a promise of good drugs, a fun time, whatever. Misty figured why not, the kids were inside, what could it hurt. Not sure how exactly, maybe Misty was given stronger drugs than usual - but she blacked out. Meanwhile Amber - who was still angry over Misty getting Ron, and the "i got ur man and i will have ur baby to" comment from Misty on her myspace, took Haleigh away - possibly walking with her where the dogs tracked Haleigh's scent. (Not sure if Amber would have had help from some guy or not.) IIRC, Amber's mom left town for another state shortly after all this took place, and she could have taken Haleigh with her.

I think at the time Misty was afraid Ron would beat her to death if she admitted she was gone from the trailer all night getting high and left his kids alone, (As shown by his "why'd you let my kid get stolen, _itch?" during the 911 call.) and that's when her lies started. Plus, she may have been really confused if she had blacked out during part of the night and when they came back home Haleigh was already gone. But part of her maybe suspects Amber and Nay Nay had something to do with it. Oh geez, this has holes in it, doesn't it?? ;-) Cuz why would Misty lie to protect Amber? She has to be not telling everything to protect herself somehow. sigh. (Please be gentle tearing this apart - it's the first time I've ever offered a theory.)

Good theory...at least it is a theory, that is more than I have at this point. I watched NG tonight and just wondered why she hates Haleigh's mom, Crystal Sheffield. Does anyone know. NG treated her like a convicted murderer because she did not know what time Haleigh's school let out or who was the last person to see Haleigh other than Ron or Misty. NG sure cozys up to Ron in a heart beat...why. What does she find so virturious about him? After all he did pick out the baby sitter who let the child be taken!

debirlfan

09-03-2009, 08:26 PM

I think Misty was high the night it happened and truly doesn't remember what actually went on - but probably has strong suspicions about who it was. Perhaps it was a drug dealer that SHE owes, rather than the husband?

shergal

09-03-2009, 11:04 PM

Good theory...at least it is a theory, that is more than I have at this point. I watched NG tonight and just wondered why she hates Haleigh's mom, Crystal Sheffield. Does anyone know. NG treated her like a convicted murderer because she did not know what time Haleigh's school let out or who was the last person to see Haleigh other than Ron or Misty. NG sure cozys up to Ron in a heart beat...why. What does she find so virturious about him? After all he did pick out the baby sitter who let the child be taken!

I was wondering that too. NG has been so friendly with Ron and was downright sarcastic and nasty to Crystal. NG seems to believe Misty is totally at fault, so I'm not sure why she'd be rude to Crystal and nice to Ron. (Maybe it's cuz he called her Miss Nancy? LOL)

shergal

09-03-2009, 11:06 PM

I think Misty was high the night it happened and truly doesn't remember what actually went on - but probably has strong suspicions about who it was. Perhaps it was a drug dealer that SHE owes, rather than the husband?

That could be. I feel for any kids those 2 have in the future.

panthera

09-04-2009, 11:17 PM

"Death resulting from actions of the babysitter" ~ and this means MC. MOO

panthera

09-04-2009, 11:21 PM

I think Misty was high the night it happened and truly doesn't remember what actually went on - but probably has strong suspicions about who it was. Perhaps it was a drug dealer that SHE owes, rather than the husband?
I definitely agree about her being high that night and whatever went on resulted in Haleigh's death, so I believe she is at least in part responsible, even if it was by allowing unsavory people into the house who harmed Haleigh. I may be in the minority but I don't think RC was involved. MOO

Tricia

09-05-2009, 12:09 AM

This poll has been very interesting. Thank you all for your participation and comments.

Over the weekend I am going to open another poll with basically the same topic since we now have new info to help us make our decisions.

We will open the next one to the public too and take the necessary action to make the poll a true snapshot of public opinion.

In other words, to the jerks who think they can vote over and over to make their favorite appear not guilty and point the finger at an innocent person, it is not going to work. Take the extra time you obviously have on your hands and volunteer, go shopping, de-worm the dog, check your colon, say hi to your uvula, JUST MAKE SURE YOU GO AWAY AND LEAVE WS ALONE BECAUSE YOUR STUPID ATTEMPTS WILL NOT WORK.

Love,
Tricia

smart blonde

09-05-2009, 10:45 AM

Umm, Tricia... what's a uvula again? :waitasec:

Beyond Belief

09-05-2009, 11:46 AM

I keep flipping back to what the little boy said. I am wondering if the squeaking he heard was actually the sounds in a van. Perhaps they were carried out and put in a van while they were asleep and driven to where ever. Haleigh could have gotten killed elsewhere thats why theres no evidence in or near the trailer.

PMLsmom

09-05-2009, 11:16 PM

I voted like Panthera - Actions because of the babysitter (MC). I also believe the Astros (They are so spot on it is scary real) - She is gone from this world by a SO who has been under the radar...MOO

Tricia

09-07-2009, 04:34 AM

I have closed the poll but you can still comment on it.

Since we have major new info (Misty's failing the poly) I am going to put up a new poll similar to this one.

People have changed their minds (I think) since this info was released. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Feel free to continue to post on this thread but voting has closed :)

Thanks to everyone who voted and thanks to those who voted like an adult and did not try to influence the results voting over and over for the same choice.

Tricia

orb4me

09-08-2009, 10:36 AM

I cant find the regular Haliegh cummings thread. so I will this this here. its an odd site about reversal of words, but who knows there might be something there.

http://www.backwardstate.com/backward_state_website_037.htm