RJ's parents

[JBean]

Discuss here

[redheadedgal]

fwiw, an article about ryan partnering up with his dad in the calgary real estate biz- from 2001:


http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Family+Structure+Architect+Jenkins+joining+forces+ with+year+condo+project/1909245/story.html



from all this to hopefully building only houses of cards in prison for many many years :behindbar

[JBean]

And law enforcement sources say they have a "reason to believe" Jenkins' parents have been assisting him. One law enforcement source says he believes Ryan enlisted their help before anyone knew that Jasmine Fiore had been murdered and he lied to them. But authorities believe they may still be assisting him.
http://www.tmz.com/category/jasmine-fiore/

[jilly]

A family friend says Jenkins' mom went to meet ryan in Seattle yesterday, saying it was a family emergency.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1130888

An exasperated Nada Jenkins, Ryan's mother, told The Canadian Press in a brief conversation that she too has been in touch with police.

"Hah! They're on my tail all day. I'm in contact with them constantly," she said before hanging up.

Pound would not say if they believe Jenkins' parents or anyone else has helped him.

"It would take probably until the concluding portion of the investigation before we were able to determine did they fully co-operate or did they do anything that might have assisted Ryan," he said.

http://www.cftktv.com/news/14/980546

[jilly]

Ryan Jenkins father says he is not helping his son

That’s just not the case. And that’s all I can say, I’m waiting to speak to my lawyer and I cannot give any further comment."

He said he would like to speak publicly but has been advised not to.

When [my lawyer] tells me the time is right, I would like the public to know.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m8d23-Ryan-Jenkins-father-says-he-is-not-helping-his-son

[JBean]

Ryan Jenkins father says he is not helping his son

That’s just not the case. And that’s all I can say, I’m waiting to speak to my lawyer and I cannot give any further comment."

He said he would like to speak publicly but has been advised not to.

When [my lawyer] tells me the time is right, I would like the public to know.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m8d23-Ryan-Jenkins-father-says-he-is-not-helping-his-sonOh this poor guy! wait til he finds out he is dead. aarrgh.

[Capri]

<<Reached shortly after the news broke Sunday night, his mother, Nada Jenkins, said she still believes her son is innocent.

"I think he panicked, my little boy, and we had to protect him, even now that he's dead," she told the Herald, sobbing.

She said the situation has been very hard on the family, which now needs time to grieve and will be seeking some counselling.

"I was paranoid this would drag on forever," she added.>>

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Fugitive+murder+found+dead/1923568/story.html

[jilly]

Mom Defends her Son

"Not in a million years," a weeping Nada Jenkins said in a brief telephone interview.


"He was good, he's kind and we need to clear his name. . . . I'm sure the evidence will prove it eventually. I'm praying for that."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090824/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

[redheadedgal]

Not surprisingly, Ryan Jenkins' father is struggling with the idea that his son may have been a cold-blooded killer:


"If my son was guilty, he was crazy."

"He was not the boy we knew. The boy we knew was not capable of anything remotely close to this act."

"You talk to everyone here who knew him before he went down there and they'll talk about a wonderful young man, a thoughtful man," Dan Jenkins said, adding that his son, who would "faint at the sight of blood," must have fallen in with the wrong crowd when he left Calgary for Hollywood.


http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b140976_ryan_jenkins_dad_son_i_knew_wasnt.html?utm _source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

[Paladine]

Just heard Mrs. Jenkins on CTV News, brief phone interview...she said "he's innocent"..."I'm dead inside"...and he was her only Child...she was very distraught...I'm not ready to call them the A's, yet...maybe they just need more proof...and a little time.

[Francine]

You can hear Nada J., his mother, in a phone interview at about 1:15 on this video:

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20090824%2fryan_jenkins_09082 4

NJ says he was her only child...so his sister must be his step-sister from his father and stepmom's side?

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b140976_ryan_jenkins_dad_son_i_knew_wasnt.html?utm _source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

Dan J. -- the father (thanks to Redheaded Gal for these quotes):

"If my son was guilty, he was crazy."

"He was not the boy we knew. The boy we knew was not capable of anything remotely close to this act."

"You talk to everyone here who knew him before he went down there and they'll talk about a wonderful young man, a thoughtful man," Dan Jenkins said, adding that his son, who would "faint at the sight of blood," must have fallen in with the wrong crowd when he left Calgary for Hollywood.

In the comments section of a Calgary newpaper internet article about RJ, someone who had worked on an advertising campaign for DJ wrote that DJ is an egotistical person who thinks he owns Calgary.

I wonder how old RJ was when his parents divorced? His mother lived in Vancouver and his father seems to have been mainly based in Calgary with his second family. How much quality time would RJ have spent with DJ? Why was he trying to break into the Hollywood crowd and trying to get a green card through Jasmine, rather than work on design and construction projects with his prominent architect father who apparently was busy in the Honduras building a mega-resort?

I suppose his father and mother weren't aware at all of the previous assault charges against him, since they had no idea their sweet little boy was capable of doing such a horrible thing. It must have been all the bad people in Hollywoodland who he was forced to associate with this year that caused him to beat up a girlfriend in Calgary a couple of years earlier :rolleyes: :boohoo:

[JBean]

I have bad news and worse news. your son is a murderer and he is dead. how do parents survive after a double whammy like that?
God Bless these people.

[JBean]

I really really think it's very cold of some of you to say such hateful and unfeeling things about the parents at this time. How many of you are parents? Think of the times your children were young/innocent/cute/loving. Probably RJ sugar-coated the abuse hx and what parent doesn't want to believe his or her child. Even if they KNEW of the true previous abuse..........to escalate from pushing someone in a pool or knocking someone down to killing and cutting off fingers and knocking out her teeth is quite the leap! OH........AND your child then committed suicide. I would think that would be hard for any parent to digest; especially within what.....48 hours? Give the people a freakin break!
I have not seen any hateful and unfeeling posts. One post was off color and it was removed, but it wasn't really that bad, but I did it in case it was taken wrong. Most of the posts on this thread are articles and sympathetic thoughts.




thank you so much.

[Brwnigirl]

Well I would like to know if the parents knew of the prior charges for domestic violence and what their reaction to it was with RJ.
For the post that stated the escalation from the pool to murder was quite a leap I would say it wasn't just the pool, there was also a different charge with a different girl which is concerning.

Then there's the fact that we all know that someone being charged twice for this type of crime of domestic violence, is usually not indicative of how many times they have been violent in a relationship so I am inclined to believe that if RJ could snap so easily around a pool where it was public there were other incidents behind closed doors, which may have been more serious.

That being said, it is hard to lose a child in any manner and I will try not to judge these parents and their comments in their time of grief. I am sorry to say to dad Jenkins that falling in with the wrong crowd may have occurred but that does not create violence in a relationship.
How do you come to terms with the fact that the "loving" child you knew strangled his wife, cut off her fingers and removed her teeth and hung himself? Horrible.

[Francine]

In response to krt's post:

I do feel sorry for the parents. However, I have to wonder what went wrong in RJ's background to cause him to react with such violence toward women. I am the bleeding liberal type who doesn't believe people are born evil, but that many factors, including genetics, combine in some people's lives to make them commit heinous acts. It just seems that the parents are similar to the Anthony's and are in denial about their son. The fact that the mother swears her son is "innocent" is a slap in the face to JF's mother.

JF's mother thinks RJ was a coward for killing himself. JF's past boyfriend who was interviewed with JF's mother said he was glad that "animal" killed himself. How do you think RJ's parents feel when they hear that? I think the posters in this thread have been far more gentle toward RJ than JF's loved one's will be. Do you think JF's family and friends have a right to say the things they are against RJ when they know the parents will be hurt even further by such comments in the media?

Once RJ's parents get over this horrible shock will they be angry at RJ for killing himself, for not taking responsibility for his actions, and for not being around for them to continue loving him and supporting him? Or will they be angry and blame those big bad Hollywood people for turning their son into an accused murderer who panicked and killed himself? Or perhaps it was JF's fault because she hung out with drug dealers and was a loose woman whose lifestyle choices somehow caused their son to be framed for a murdering her and then kill himself in a panic due to being hunted down by several law enforcement agencies?

The police have dismissed murder charges against RJ because he is dead, so RJ's parents will never have to acknowledge that their son murdered JF. How will JF's friends and relatives feel about his family proclaiming his innocence forevermore? Is that true closure for them?

This is all only my opinion.

[Waddles]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/canada/2009/08/25/10596506-sun.html

"A lot of these things were just silliness, like the charge in California," said Dan Jenkins.
"He felt like it was a police state. People push each other in the pool every Saturday afternoon, and he goes to jail for two days -- that's ridiculous," said Jenkins.

"He turns around and his wife's kissing another guy and he grabs her hand and starts walking away, and they're arguing and he just pushes her in the pool. Well, big deal."

Jenkins said his son's relationship with Fiore, and Hollywood in general, was toxic.

"He went to Hollywood and something down there in the last four months, including this girl, just destroyed him," said Jenkins.

"She would take off for days at a time and lie, and Ryan was lonely and distraught and alone down there. She was his only friend and she'd just disappear.

"It was hell on earth -- I advised him 50 times to get out of that relationship."

[Capri]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/canada/2009/08/25/10596506-sun.html

"A lot of these things were just silliness, like the charge in California," said Dan Jenkins.
"He felt like it was a police state. People push each other in the pool every Saturday afternoon, and he goes to jail for two days -- that's ridiculous," said Jenkins.

"He turns around and his wife's kissing another guy and he grabs her hand and starts walking away, and they're arguing and he just pushes her in the pool. Well, big deal."

Jenkins said his son's relationship with Fiore, and Hollywood in general, was toxic.

"He went to Hollywood and something down there in the last four months, including this girl, just destroyed him," said Jenkins.

"She would take off for days at a time and lie, and Ryan was lonely and distraught and alone down there. She was his only friend and she'd just disappear.

"It was hell on earth -- I advised him 50 times to get out of that relationship."

Dad Jenkins may have been right on one thing, that the relationship was "toxic." I do have sympathy for these parents, certainly they didn't know the whole story (and we probably don't either), but out of respect for Jasmine's family, I do wish Dan Jenkins would consider them, before he blames everything on Jasmine, who was just murdered in a terribly brutal way.

[Waddles]

Dad Jenkins may have been right on one thing, that the relationship was "toxic." I do have sympathy for these parents, certainly they didn't know the whole story (and we probably don't either), but out of respect for Jasmine's family, I do wish Dan Jenkins would consider them, before he blames everything on Jasmine, who was just murdered in a terribly brutal way.

Agree with you completely

[elepher50]

RJ is responsible for his actions regardless of any circumstances surrounding the situation. RJ had the means to just leave if the situation was not ideal for him. Compassion is extended to JF and RJ families who are left with a whole heck of a lot to deal with over the next while. May they have the strength to get through this ordeal.

MOO is that both JF and RJ were well into something way over both their heads. Both RJ and JF are responsible for their own actions. Unfortunately it is their families that have to live and deal with the fallout.

[Paladine]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/canada/2009/08/25/10596506-sun.html

"A lot of these things were just silliness, like the charge in California," said Dan Jenkins.
"He felt like it was a police state. People push each other in the pool every Saturday afternoon, and he goes to jail for two days -- that's ridiculous," said Jenkins.

"He turns around and his wife's kissing another guy and he grabs her hand and starts walking away, and they're arguing and he just pushes her in the pool. Well, big deal."

Jenkins said his son's relationship with Fiore, and Hollywood in general, was toxic.

"He went to Hollywood and something down there in the last four months, including this girl, just destroyed him," said Jenkins.

"She would take off for days at a time and lie, and Ryan was lonely and distraught and alone down there. She was his only friend and she'd just disappear.

"It was hell on earth -- I advised him 50 times to get out of that relationship."

Uh oh...I admit...I pushed an ex-Lover in a pool years ago...lol...for being a rude idiot...happy I didn't get charged...

Seriously, was THAT the assault??

[Paladine]

Dad Jenkins may have been right on one thing, that the relationship was "toxic." I do have sympathy for these parents, certainly they didn't know the whole story (and we probably don't either), but out of respect for Jasmine's family, I do wish Dan Jenkins would consider them, before he blames everything on Jasmine, who was just murdered in a terribly brutal way.


Agreed...and Jasmines Family shouldn't be trashing the Jenkins, either, imo...we do not know the whole story, yet...what happened to innocent till proven guilty? I understand he's dead but some hard evidence would sure help put doubts to rest, personally, I haven't seen it...I'm happy the Police are still investigating...

For one thing...the suitcase Jenkins was seen leaving the hotel with, is that the suitcase she was supposedly found in? ...now, does anyone think Jasmine was IN that suitcase AS he strolled through the Hotel lobby? I don't...I don't think he cut her up there, so why bring her back? SO...where was she hidden while he had the suitcase in the lobby? Seems strange he would go get THAT suitcase to put her in...<confused>

[Waddles]

Uh oh...I admit...I pushed an ex-Lover in a pool years ago...lol...for being a rude idiot...happy I didn't get charged...

Seriously, was THAT the assault??

From all I can gather he JF in the arm as he pushed her in the pool

the earlier charge with another girlfriend was breeaking a photo when he barged in her house and found her with her new guy


has anyone been able to read anything more violent than that that he was charged for?

[KaylynnCouture]

Ryans Father Speaks Out: http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#2Z7fmk/www.momlogic.com/2009/08/dad_says_jenkins_died_terrifie.php/

[Paladine]

Ryans Father Speaks Out: http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#2Z7fmk/www.momlogic.com/2009/08/dad_says_jenkins_died_terrifie.php/

Thanks, Kaylynn...From above link...

"Ryan was a great guy and I'm not at all convinced he did this crime yet," said Jenkins, who's calling on the U.S. police to continue the investigation.

For Jenkins, the accusation isn't enough -- he needs solid evidence.

"I certainly hope it will not stop," said Jenkins.

"I certainly hope that the California police will continue their investigation into the DNA and all their forensics, and tell us one way or another whether our son was involved with this or not."

It's not denial, so much as a dad demanding proof. It's hard to blame any parent for wanting the same.



That sounds reasonable to me. He doesn't doubt DNA, like the A's, just wants some done...

[Capri]

Thanks KaylynnC for posting that link. Sounds like Dad DanJ is genuine about wanting answers, "whether our son was involved with this or not."

<<"Ryan was a great guy and I'm not at all convinced he did this crime yet," said Jenkins, who's calling on the U.S. police to continue the investigation.
For Jenkins, the accusation isn't enough -- he needs solid evidence.
"I certainly hope it will not stop," said Jenkins.
"I certainly hope that the California police will continue their investigation into the DNA and all their forensics, and tell us one way or another whether our son was involved with this or not.">>

[Sleuthster]

Ryans Father Speaks Out: http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#2Z7fmk/www.momlogic.com/2009/08/dad_says_jenkins_died_terrifie.php/

I feel so sad for dad :(

You're supposed to have an unconditional love for your child even if they do something wrong. Then your supposed to get them to do the right thing, be a man and turn yourself in. Unfortunately for dad he was not able to talk to RJ and now he is bearing the pain of his son's death as well as the memory of a child who in his worst nightmeres would never do such a terrible thing and having difficulty coming to terms with it all.

[Capri]

From all I can gather he JF in the arm as he pushed her in the pool

the earlier charge with another girlfriend was breeaking a photo when he barged in her house and found her with her new guy


has anyone been able to read anything more violent than that that he was charged for?

Way OT for this thread, but since you asked, here are some of the details of previous problems, including an admission by RJ:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+violent+addict+court+p apers/1924749/story.html

[Waddles]

Way OT for this thread, but since you asked, here are some of the details of previous problems, including an admission by RJ:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+violent+addict+court+p apers/1924749/story.html

Thank you for this uselful link and sorry for that, I was responding to an earlier message

[Paladine]

Way OT for this thread, but since you asked, here are some of the details of previous problems, including an admission by RJ:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+violent+addict+court+p apers/1924749/story.html

Wow, thanks...attempting to bring this back on topic, 'cause I was the one who through it off :bang: ...

RJ's Parents need to know all this, it might help it make sense...seriously, I can see him killing her after reading that...just not yet sure if he did.

[Brwnigirl]

I understand that this father is grieving but part of the problem with abusers not effectively dealing with their rage issues is that they constantly minimize their own actions.
The dad's comments regarding his son seem to the same.
Pushing someone in a pool is not the same thing as hitting them with such force that they lose their balance and fall into a pool.

So California is a police state, is the same true of Calgary, Alberta where he punched a woman in the head, so hard that she too fell down? Kudos to California that he had to serve 2 days for this. Not sure if he served any time here in Canada.

So Jasmine destroyed his son...hmmn I thought because she's dead now it may have been the other way around.
I wonder if Jasmine disappeared for days because it was the only way to remove herself from him.
I was disappointed that there seemed to be not one ounce of sympathy for his dead daughter in law or her family.

[Brwnigirl]

I feel so sad for dad :(

You're supposed to have an unconditional love for your child even if they do something wrong. Then your supposed to get them to do the right thing, be a man and turn yourself in. Unfortunately for dad he was not able to talk to RJ and now he is bearing the pain of his son's death as well as the memory of a child who in his worst nightmeres would never do such a terrible thing and having difficulty coming to terms with it all.

I do feel some sympathy for the family. However, this father had numerous opportunities to go on local and national television and radio to plead for his son to turn himself into authorities. Instead, he lawyered up.

[stilettos]

I understand that this father is grieving but part of the problem with abusers not effectively dealing with their rage issues is that they constantly minimize their own actions.
The dad's comments regarding his son seem to the same.
Pushing someone in a pool is not the same thing as hitting them with such force that they lose their balance and fall into a pool.

So California is a police state, is the same true of Calgary, Alberta where he punched a woman in the head, so hard that she too fell down? Kudos to California that he had to serve 2 days for this. Not sure if he served any time here in Canada.

So Jasmine destroyed his son...hmmn I thought because she's dead now it may have been the other way around.
I wonder if Jasmine disappeared for days because it was the only way to remove herself from him.
I was disappointed that there seemed to be not one ounce of sympathy for his dead daughter in law or her family.

I do not care who she was, what she did to him or anyone else...you walk away, take any and all legal action...but you never, ever get to kill prople and cut them up. He made the decision. Period...maybe Dad should have stopped enabling him earlier? I am sorry for their pain...but they need to stop blaming the victim...and the victim was NOT their son.

[redheadedgal]

i took this post from the "accomplice" thread to keep to the subject @ hand...

Thanks scandi. Very interesting and it certainly does fit in with his father saying that his son would *"faint at the sight of blood".

* http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77870/



is it not possible the father is just saying this to move suspicion off his son? it's also possible this was true when ryan was a kid... but kids grow up and are able to handle things they couldn't as a child - right?

[scandi]

I have bad news and worse news. your son is a murderer and he is dead. how do parents survive after a double whammy like that?
God Bless these people.

Like I read here, it's like being hit with a 2 x 4. A long square block of wood.

[enzeder]

Jenkins’ mother expresses ‘condolences’ to murder victim

http://www.canada.com/news/Jenkins+mother+expresses+condolences+murder+victim/1929322/story.html

[Wrinkles]

I think it might be really helpful for RJ's mom to get a spokesman...

In this article: (http://www.canada.com/news/Jenkins+mother+expresses+condolences+murder+victim/1929322/story.html)
>>“My condolences to Jasmine’s family,” Nada Antic, who lives in Vancouver, said in a telephone interview with Global BC. “I’m sure they’re going through the same thing we’re going through. It’s heartbreaking.”<<

Both families suffered the loss of a child. One family had their child mutilated and murdered by someone else. One family had their child take their own life because they had mutilated and murdered someone else.

I have a huge heart for any parent who has lost their child, but I don't think the two families are going through the same thing -- one goes to bed with nightmares of their child having suffered great violence against them.

This woman is devastated and could sure use a spokesman to help avoid statements like the above, and also the one about "we had to help him" (or whatever that statement was, similar.)

[Paladine]

I agree, Wrinkles...I remember after Family members had died things can get very foggy and confused. Mrs. J. needs a spokesperson...but a smart one...and goodnight, I am pulling myself away...;)

[Capri]

Who is "Sandra"? Dan Jenkins has 3 ex-wives?

"However, sources with access to provincial vehicle records said a silver 2001 PT Cruiser is among several vehicles registered under Dan Jenkins’ name.

The Herald has also obtained divorce records from Court of Queen’s Bench in which his former wife, Sandra, indicated he drove a leased PT Cruiser when they met."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Jenkins+family+linked/1930664/story.html

[Paladine]

Who is "Sandra"? Dan Jenkins has 3 ex-wives?

"However, sources with access to provincial vehicle records said a silver 2001 PT Cruiser is among several vehicles registered under Dan Jenkins’ name.

The Herald has also obtained divorce records from Court of Queen’s Bench in which his former wife, Sandra, indicated he drove a leased PT Cruiser when they met."

Source: Calgary Herald

Surprised me, too...3 that we're aware of...there's a new posting on the Media links thread re; Sandra...seems Daddy likes the Women, too...;)

[Waddles]

Who is "Sandra"? Dan Jenkins has 3 ex-wives?

"However, sources with access to provincial vehicle records said a silver 2001 PT Cruiser is among several vehicles registered under Dan Jenkins’ name.

The Herald has also obtained divorce records from Court of Queen’s Bench in which his former wife, Sandra, indicated he drove a leased PT Cruiser when they met."

Source: Calgary Herald

Yes he does!-in the links section I posted an article talking about the two of them, so yes he does have 3 ex wives

[Capri]

i took this post from the "accomplice" thread to keep to the subject @ hand...





is it not possible the father is just saying this to move suspicion off his son? it's also possible this was true when ryan was a kid... but kids grow up and are able to handle things they couldn't as a child - right?

Of course it's possible, it's also possible that things have changed, like you said since Dad was around RJ a lot. Look at all the other things Dad didn't seem to be aware of-the domestic charges & Why his son would marry after only knowing someone a few hours/days (depending on which source). It's also possible that some unknowns (alcohol/drugs) may have been involved. They're not releasing that info yet, but certainly we'll have a clearer picture once they do.

And then it's also possible that Dad was right and RJ wouldn't have the stomach for that, and maybe passed that part off to someone else...maybe

[jilly]

Of course it's possible, it's also possible that things have changed, like you said since Dad was around RJ a lot. Look at all the other things Dad didn't seem to be aware of-the domestic charges & Why his son would marry after only knowing someone a few hours/days (depending on which source). It's also possible that some unknowns (alcohol/drugs) may have been involved. They're not releasing that info yet, but certainly we'll have a clearer picture once they do.

His Dad seems to be aware of a lot of things though - Ryan was obviously filling him in on certain things. Somewhere along the line he told him 50 times to to get out of the relationship with Jasmine or words to that effect. Selective memory perhaps?

[Capri]

His Dad seems to be aware of a lot of things though - Ryan was obviously filling him in on certain things. Somewhere along the line he told him 50 times to to get out of the relationship with Jasmine or words to that effect. Selective memory perhaps?

"at least 50 times", yep that one stuck out to me too. 5o times, 5 months=10 times/month, they must have talked quite a bit.

[Brwnigirl]

I was talking to an aquaintance today about the case and she told me that one of her colleagues told her about being involved in a past dealing with Dan Jenkins on a business/legal issue and among other choice descriptors said that he was one controlling s.o.b.

**This is third hand information so please remove JBean if I am not appropriate making this comment.

[Waddles]

His aunt says the most surprising things:
"I just found this news out, or had it confirmed, I should say. He was not actually on the run. And it's important that people know that the whole time he was in contact with police. He gave them his license number. He told them where he was going. He okayed it. They said it was fine for him to do this. So he was not on the run. He was in touch with lawyers, and there was nothing unspoken about it."...(snipped)

"I really think, in my opinion, that, when Ryan was in the hotel room, he was actually told to wait until Monday. He would go in with his lawyer to the authorities, and they would go through the setting bail," Linda Jenkins said. "But when he was by himself in that hotel room, I think it was the first contact he actually had with the media, with the television, to see the horror, the pictures, the things that were being said about him, and I think he was terrified beyond belief, and it just seemed to push him over the edge. That he was never going to be able to walk away or prove his innocence with the smear of what was going on about him. It was just so terribly unfair."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/27/earlyshow/main5268773.shtml

[Capri]

Pulling Waddles' post over here from the media thread, forgot it was a no discussion thread :).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/27/earlyshow/main5268773.shtml

"And it's important that people know that the whole time he was in contact with police. He gave them his license number. He told them where he was going. He okayed it. They said it was fine for him to do this. So he was not on the run. He was in touch with lawyers, and there was nothing unspoken about it."[/quote]

Her statements just don't make sense. Possibly his family members need to just sit back and wait, although I'm sure they want to jump to defend him. But honestly, his sister drops him off at a seedy, cash-only motel, across from an airport, and family members like Dad claim they can't contact him because of the "manhunt" &everything is being traced....doesn't sound like someone who's not "on the run."

This also reeks of his family not expecting him to take responsibility for his actions, again.

I'm sure this whole ordeal is horrible for their family, but sometimes its better to just sit back, and take a breath, and not make things worse.

Wondering if friends Dan and Eric had anything significant to add in that interview?

[Waddles]

Dan said some things in the interview if you have a look at the link-he just talks about the relationship between RJ and JF and how they alternatively could not afford to pay for dinner or something like that :waitasec:

"Asked about Jenkins' and Fiore's relationship, Dan said, "I think the relationship was off and on like good and bad. Things were good, it was really good. Like I mean, they were caring. They showed affection for each other. And I think the thing that kind of brought it down was the money situation, where one didn't have enough to pay for a meal one day or one didn't have enough to go out for a meal the next day."

[Capri]

Dan said some things in the interview if you have a look at the link-he just talks about the relationship between RJ and JF and how they alternatively could not afford to pay for dinner or something like that :waitasec:

"Asked about Jenkins' and Fiore's relationship, Dan said, "I think the relationship was off and on like good and bad. Things were good, it was really good. Like I mean, they were caring. They showed affection for each other. And I think the thing that kind of brought it down was the money situation, where one didn't have enough to pay for a meal one day or one didn't have enough to go out for a meal the next day."

Thanks, I need to read slower, next time. I was thinking the aunt said all that. Very curious that a "millionaire" or a millionaire's wife's credit card would get declined.

[Waddles]

Thanks, I need to read slower, next time. I was thinking the aunt said all that. Very curious that a "millionaire" or a millionaire's wife's credit card would get declined.

yes very curious, maybe his money is in a Canadian bank and had a smaller account in US-not sure how it is in the US but in Europe we have limits on how much you can spend in a day or a 7 day period and if they were living the high life maybe that could be an explanation

[Brwnigirl]

I have never had a problem using a Canadian bank card in the US. To increase my daily limit all you do is call your bank, and it is done immediately.

[Brwnigirl]

RCMP announced at 2 pm on Sunday for Mr. Jenkins to turn himself in. Doesn't sound like he was working with the police. I find it really hard to believe that the Aunt, and other family members didn't watch the news.

[racerzeke]

Whatever happened to the reports that he was in contact with his lawyers in Washington and was going to turn himself in?

[Flames89]

RCMP announced at 2 pm on Sunday for Mr. Jenkins to turn himself in. Doesn't sound like he was working with the police. I find it really hard to believe that the Aunt, and other family members didn't watch the news.

I don't blame the Aunt or the family. Assuming everything we know is correct, then Ryan would have very well been lieing to his family. He has the ability to make people believe what he says, and family above all is obviously going to be very trusting.

They are as confused as we are.

[stilettos]

I don't blame the Aunt or the family. Assuming everything we know is correct, then Ryan would have very well been lieing to his family. He has the ability to make people believe what he says, and family above all is obviously going to be very trusting.

They are as confused as we are.

I do not give a flying fig what my child/relative told me or how believable it was...if LE was looking for them...I would help their happy behind down to the station and no where else. I just do not get it. Get them an attorney, bond them out, visit in jail...but do not ever help someone evade LE.

[Capri]

Dan Jenkins unedited statement 9/29/09:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/08/29/317403.aspx

"It is my recollection that Ryan talked briefly with his Vancouver lawyer on Thursday morning and agreed to call him later on Thursday and that he would surrender to the police. With all the media attention, he was probably afraid and never did return his call.

If Ryan had done such a thing, would he have filed a missing person’s report?

Would he have listened to his mom and driven home to Canada?

If he was guilty of this crime, would he have casually driven to Las Vegas to collect his things, pull his boat out of the water and driven slowly north?"
Would he have talked with his lawyer in Vancouver?

[jjgram]

From all I can gather he JF in the arm as he pushed her in the pool

the earlier charge with another girlfriend was breeaking a photo when he barged in her house and found her with her new guy


has anyone been able to read anything more violent than that that he was charged for?

I don't have the link...
but it was on the Canadian New Paper...
and
he was 1st charged with breaking and entering... and

HE BROKE A PICTURE that was hanging on the wall...

** They Reduced the charges to Bad Conduct and
gave him the 15 months probation....

does NOT sound anything like true ? Bad Domestic Violence...
Not
like many HOLLYWOOD ~ FIGHTS ! ?

I will try to check for the LINK...

Thanks !
** * ** * * * Let's Seek the Real TRUTH = Justice for the
TRUE CRIME AND KILLER.....

God Bless !
jj

[jjgram]

Way OT for this thread, but since you asked, here are some of the details of previous problems, including an admission by RJ:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+violent+addict+court+p apers/1924749/story.html

Thank you for this
Link to this article ! :clap::clap::clap:
Now I am more inclined to believe this article and these FACTS

more than anything else I have read.

It does make me sad that he hit the girl and knocked her down.

It makes me sad that his parents were NOT paying attention
to the
fact that ...... possible due to the break up of their own marriage..

that a young man... need advice and counseling on RELATIONSHIPS
and
ways to handle disputes... etc.

****
I am sad that a young lady Lost her life in CA !

I am sad that this young man took his own... life !

***
But still NOT Convinced that HE is the killer and
the
person who pulled the Teeth & Cut off the fingers !

Need more evidence for me to believe that !

I am truly ~ TRULY ~ Troubled at the discovery of
this JF being with her mother the week before her death..
and the fact that she KNEW the RELEASE of the X??? Con ??? Husband and picking him up at the gate...and spending the nite..
probably.....???? saying...oh I'm with my MOTHER ! ?

now...
add on cell calls & Text messages to the Las Vegas BF = RH

what a ~ T A N G L E D ~ WEB ! ! !

now... the Con/Drug Dealer is back in Jail ! ? ? ?

with no real investigation to his role or where abouts....
and any involvements ?

could this guy be a Drug informant?
Could this guy be a undercover cop ?

weird....
WEIRD>>>>>
W E I D E R ! ! ! to me

JMO

God Bless !
jj
SEEKING THE = TRUTH = & Justice for the PROVEN GUILTY PARTY!!!!

[Capri]

From that same Vancouver Sun article quoted one post up, this stands out to me:

<<He attended Western Canada High School in grades 10 and 11 but, according to his parents' interview with the probation officer, he was "distracted" by his peers in high school, so they enrolled him at St. Michael's University School, a private school in Victoria, for Grade 12.>>

Looks to me like there were signs of problems long ago, if parents were being already being interviewed by probation officers, so much so that they put him in a private school for grade 12 only. Also, a bit classic, for parents who may believe their child can do no wrong, notice that the blame is placed on his peers by the family, not their son. It seems that is still the case even now.
...............................................
Ryan Jenkins at his 10-year St. Michael's University School high school reunion in Victoria in 2005.Photograph by: Handout, Times Colonist:
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.timescolonist.com/1917482.bin?size=620x400

[Paladine]

From that same Vancouver Sun article quoted one post up, this stands out to me:

<<He attended Western Canada High School in grades 10 and 11 but, according to his parents' interview with the probation officer, he was "distracted" by his peers in high school, so they enrolled him at St. Michael's University School, a private school in Victoria, for Grade 12.>>

Looks to me like there were signs of problems long ago, if parents were being already being interviewed by probation officers, so much so that they put him in a private school for grade 12 only. Also, a bit classic, for parents who may believe their child can do no wrong, notice that the blame is placed on his peers by the family, not their son. It seems that is still the case even now.
...............................................
Ryan Jenkins at his 10-year St. Michael's University School high school reunion in Victoria in 2005.Photograph by: Handout, Times Colonist:
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.timescolonist.com/1917482.bin?size=620x400

I'm not sure that interview w/probation was while he was in high school, I thought it was after one of his charges, the assault, I think...the Parents were reflecting back on High School in interview, I thought...was there another charge?

[jjgram]

I just read the saddest thing... BESIDES 2 People being Dead already....
this JF and RJ

*** under TMZ a quote from the
VAN COUVER SUN NewsPaper.... from August 29, 2009

A Statement from Dad/ Dan Jenkins....

I'm sorry that I don't know how to post the links/


*** We must remember....

two Different Family's are suffering...

ALL THE FACTS are NOT in ~ Yet ~ sometimes the picture
looks one... way... Until the whole picture is done...and all the
facts are in place....

and one thing is for sure... WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD WANT
A
KILLER LIKE THAT GOING FREE>>>> ?

so....
lets "SEE THE CELL PHONE RECORDS"

and Let's check out some of the LAS VEGAS DUDES ? ? ?

and Let's check out some of the DRUG PEOPLE ? ? ?

and
then.....

let's remember.... Innocent until Proven with out a DOUBT


Thanks !
God Bless !

jjgram

*** SEEKING THE REAL KILLER>>> + JUSTICE FOR THE MURDER OF
JF AND....
remember..... Another Death has taken place... even if it
LOOKS like
suicide / if another person caused a person to take their life from
causing ANXIETY? GRIEF of the LOSS OF A LOVED ONE .... ETC....
that is W R O N G ~ ALSO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What if it were you ? / or your Loved one....

let's get the facts and lets help seek justice !!!!

Thanks for all the GOOD WORK ! ! !

[jjgram]

Sorry I forgot to say...
in this article in the VanCouver SUN newspaper....

Statement by : Father of Ryan Jenkins/ Dan Jenkins.....

he was saying that he had talked to his son earlier..
and
he was also saying that later... Mr Dan Jenkins does
intend to
post a Reward to help to get info to getting the

correct Facts to the KILLER OF JF ! ! !

it is very interesting...
and
it is very sad...
and

I'm not saying that the death of the young lady JF
is not sad... it is just down right DISGUSTING !!!!

but
the Young man RJ deserves to have justice also...

if indeed he is : " NOT " the killer of JF....

and the facts are NOT PROVEN >>>> YET !


Thanks for listening !

God Bless!
jj


*** SEEKING JUSTICE FOR THE MURDER OF JF and the

TRUTH of the FACTS OF WHO KILLED HER>>>> leading also
to the
suicide death of RJ !

Thanks !

[Capri]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/canada/2009/08/25/10596506-sun.html

"A lot of these things were just silliness, like the charge in California," said Dan Jenkins.
"He felt like it was a police state. People push each other in the pool every Saturday afternoon, and he goes to jail for two days -- that's ridiculous," said Jenkins.

"He turns around and his wife's kissing another guy and he grabs her hand and starts walking away, and they're arguing and he just pushes her in the pool. Well, big deal."

Jenkins said his son's relationship with Fiore, and Hollywood in general, was toxic.

"He went to Hollywood and something down there in the last four months, including this girl, just destroyed him," said Jenkins.

"She would take off for days at a time and lie, and Ryan was lonely and distraught and alone down there. She was his only friend and she'd just disappear.

"It was hell on earth -- I advised him 50 times to get out of that relationship."

Bolded by me.
Reading up on something else, and found the witness account to the pool incident.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20299640,00.html

I think RJ may have left a few things out when telling Dad that he pushed her in the pool. I wonder if he mentioned that he punched her first, and she was fully clothed, purse, cellphone, and everything went in with her.

[Paladine]

Bolded by me.
Reading up on something else, and found the witness account to the pool incident.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20299640,00.html

I think RJ may have left a few things out when telling Dad that he pushed her in the pool. I wonder if he mentioned that he punched her first, and she was fully clothed, purse, cellphone, and everything went in with her.

Maybe it's each person's personal perspective...that was Jasmines Friend...I think read a different account...I'll try and find it today sometime...it fit more with Dads...something about a Cirque de Soliel Guy Jasmine was kissing when he pushed her and she was drunk (NOT saying THAT'S okay, though, STILL assault)...was it Marta or whoever?...anyone else see a different report?

ETA...here it is...Jasmines Friend, too...but a female...

One day, Jasmine and Ryan went to the Red Rock Resort's Cherry club, along with Marta and other friends. They were hanging out at a pool cabana. It was a lovely day and Jasmine was optimistic.

"She was telling me she wants to get out of being a cocktail waitress; she wants a family; she and Ryan were talking about going to L.A.; how she wanted more of a career than just a job. It felt like she was changing for the good."

Two hours later, Jasmine got wasted on booze. Ryan was talking with someone about a real estate deal and wasn't paying attention to her. Jasmine started kissing a Cirque du Soleil performer "with an amazing body" who was hanging out with them.

"She made out with a guy right in front of him (Ryan), while I was sitting right there. And then she told the guy they had an open relationship."

Marta screeched, "Jasmine!"

http://www.lvrj.com/news/54494862.html

"Ryan looks over and wants to kick the guy's ass -- and threw her in the pool."

"She said, 'I didn't do anything!'"

Jasmine played a big role in her fights with Ryan, though Ryan started fights as well, and Jasmine had the strength to fight back

So, it seems Dads story matches up with this Lady's, makes me think Ryan and Marta saw the same event, since Dad says his came from Ryan...I wonder if the other Fella has someone who saw it the way he did?

I think fair use is 10% and this is a long piece...but if this is too much of a quote I'll happily edit or edit yourselves, Mods...:)

[redheadedgal]

dan jenkins sent a letter to a calgary newspaper over the weekend saying what he believes happened to jasmine and ryan...


monday, august 17th, i was on a holiday when ryan called to tell me he was driving home to canada. he sadly recounted that jasmine had left him again.

he said they had returned from san diego early friday evening, she had gone out saying she needed to run an errand and had not come back. By late saturday afternoon he went to the laPd and reported her missing ....

sunday his mom called. ryan told her that jasmine had disappeared again and he was feeling miserable. his mom suggested to him, as any mother would, to pack up and come home to canada. ryan finally said oK, packed his things in l. a., drove to their las vegas apartment, picked up his belongings and his boat and drove northward to canada. he said he had reported jasmine missing since she would usually call her mom or girlfriends when she disappeared and this time no one had heard from her--he was genuinely concerned and worried about her.


(more @ link)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/31/ryan-jenkins-dad-my-son-is-innocent/

[Paladine]

dan jenkins sent a letter to a calgary newspaper over the weekend saying what he believes happened to jasmine and ryan...


monday, august 17th, i was on a holiday when ryan called to tell me he was driving home to canada. he sadly recounted that jasmine had left him again.

he said they had returned from san diego early friday evening, she had gone out saying she needed to run an errand and had not come back. By late saturday afternoon he went to the laPd and reported her missing ....

sunday his mom called. ryan told her that jasmine had disappeared again and he was feeling miserable. his mom suggested to him, as any mother would, to pack up and come home to canada. ryan finally said oK, packed his things in l. a., drove to their las vegas apartment, picked up his belongings and his boat and drove northward to canada. he said he had reported jasmine missing since she would usually call her mom or girlfriends when she disappeared and this time no one had heard from her--he was genuinely concerned and worried about her.


(more @ link)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/31/ryan-jenkins-dad-my-son-is-innocent/

Brainstorming on the premise that this statement is true...(Which I know is UP FOR DEBATE ;)) I wonder if she wasn't seen at the apt. on video cause she dropped ryan off and left...did she keep some clothes and a suitcase in the trunk? It was Friday night...could she have had plans? So many questions...wish we had discovery...:(

Question...was Ryan seen with the Mercedes after 5pm on Friday by anyone? If so, his story fails...we have many media reports citing unnamed witnesses of the mercedes by the dumpster...only TMZ has morphed that to Ryan personally, as far as I've found.

Dads account jigs with the fact Ryan was seen at the apt. early evening Friday...

AND if he dumped the car...he had to walk home...there has to be video somewhere from there to home???

On the slim 1% chance he didn't do this...and killed himself because of the feelings Dad described ...wow...see, my Husband died...and when he did, I wanted to, too...it was close...imagine being in that grief, accused of it and media all saying you did...if you didn't? I mighta checked out, too....being with him would have been much more appealing...

[jjgram]

Since this was a Drug Rehab... usually there are tons of
people still using..
and tons of people trying to sell drugs to people that are in recovery...
the ole Drug Dealers just want more sales..and they just hate
it when their customers try to go straight...
*** Just wondering if perhaps that JF drove her self to that
area...
to try to score some drugs...????

possible.... some $ $ money problems... or

drug deal gone bad.. or perhaps even robbery...

but.. then her car(White Mercedes) could have been driven from there to the Trader J pkg lot.


Maybe that was the ERRAND THAT SHE HAD TO RUN>>>
On the
way to get her nails done...

JMO

God Bless !
jj

*** SEEKING THE TRUTH ! and DETAILS FOR THE REAL KILLER OF JF

parking lot ....

[jjgram]

Brainstorming on the premise that this statement is true...(Which I know is UP FOR DEBATE ;)) I wonder if she wasn't seen at the apt. on video cause she dropped ryan off and left...did she keep some clothes and a suitcase in the trunk? It was Friday night...could she have had plans? So many questions...wish we had discovery...:(

Question...was Ryan seen with the Mercedes after 5pm on Friday by anyone? If so, his story fails...we have many media reports citing unnamed witnesses of the mercedes by the dumpster...only TMZ has morphed that to Ryan personally, as far as I've found.

Dads account jigs with the fact Ryan was seen at the apt. early evening Friday...

AND if he dumped the car...he had to walk home...there has to be video somewhere from there to home???

On the slim 1% chance he didn't do this...and killed himself because of the feelings Dad described ...wow...see, my Husband died...and when he did, I wanted to, too...it was close...imagine being in that grief, accused of it and media all saying you did...if you didn't? I mighta checked out, too....being with him would have been much more appealing...

*** Dear Pal:
sorry about your husband...
That happened to my Mom also... and she felt the same...only
had 3 kids... so she had to get up and get with it to save us kids!

~~~ No person will ever understand that kind of loss unless they have been thru the same type loss of the LOVE OF THEIR LIFE ~ or
unless a very dear Loved one goes thru the loss of the
LOVE OF THEIR LIFE ~......
this being said.................... Every day.... people have feelings of
HOPLESSNESS ! ! !.... and mixed with
Lack of Sleep..... Lack of Food.... A N X I E T Y.... etc....

people with EMOTIONAL STRESS might feel HELPLESS & Out of
control with the results of the outcome of their life... and

they just think it is the .... END !

***
Romeo & Juliet Story is quite a Love Story ~

and
I'm telling you.....

something is stinky about this totally cut and dried...
oh RJ was Jealous... he just killed her. Period.. done deal...

their is M O R E ~ Details ~ to this story that have been left out !


JMO

God Bless !
jj

*** THANKS FOR HELPING TO SEEK THE *TRUTH* in DETAILS to
the Sad Murder of JF and the SAD Loss of Life of RJ ! ! !

[Paladine]

Thanks for your kind words, jjgram...funny thing...I have 3 kids, too...:) they were 18, 7 and 5...they pushed me to live. But...Ryan didn't have kids, and honestly... if I hadn't had kids...well, I would not be here. I'd be with him. THEY saved my life...

[racerzeke]

The area where her body was found is definitely not a great neighborhood.

I would assume if the Mercedes drove past there (I have to think atleast twice to notice the alley) unless they knew of the area beforehand which would create some interesting links.

But if it was daylight I would assume that the car was noticed atleast by people maybe not suspicious at the time but definitely make note. During the day the area is pretty active with 'food trucks' and such.

But I have been following the story since ~5 hours after the body was found and not once was there witnesses who came forth with the white Mercedes because they said at first she was dumped there at night so any cars seen the full day before would be irrelevant.

I suppose the witnesses remembered the Mercedes after the Mercedes was ID'd as RJ's. Just still seems all weird to me

[jjgram]

I just have a hard time imagining RJ driving around in a white car....

with B L O O D on the windows... and inside... cause...
'IF' at anytime you are stopped... the police.. are going to say...
" HEY ~ What's going on here ? "

that is the kind of in the dark ~ in the dead of the nite....
People who are in the body disposal business know about...

and ***
Even this... who knows.... maybe the REAL TRUE KILLER>>>>>
wanted
this to be discovered..... cause
dumping a suit case with out trying to cover it up.. if kinda weird...

most people don't dump suitcases in the dumpster... they
donate it to GOODWILL etc.... or
they just set it by the side of the dumpster so that if someone
else wants a suitcase they can take it without it being all dirty !


**** WEIRD CASE ! ! !

thinking that RJ was so STUPID ! thinking that
HE WAS THE ONLY PERSON WITH A MOTIVE TO KILL JF ! ! !

I'll just bet that JF had some other enemies ! ?
Both Male and FEMALE !

JMO

God Bless !
jj

**** SEEKING THE REAL TRUTH ~ TO CATCH THE REAL KILLER OF
JF = JUSTICE FOR ALL ! ! !

[jjgram]

Thanks for your kind words, jjgram...funny thing...I have 3 kids, too...:) they were 18, 7 and 5...they pushed me to live. But...Ryan didn't have kids, and honestly... if I hadn't had kids...well, I would not be here. I'd be with him. THEY saved my life...

I hear what you are saying Paladine !
I know that is exactally what my own mother said !
Children encourage you to live...and help them live !

***
speaking of children...
I hear that the 11 year old son of the X-Con/Drug Dealer x hubby MC
of JF..... was the young man in the pictures of
JF and MC with JF Mother in the pic.... and the TWO of Them
Kissing with the lilttle 11 year old looking on... which then
means that MC was married to someone else prior to JF...

but married to JF at the time of wire tap and Trial/ Re
Cocaine/& Etsay Drugs !


JMO

God Bless !
jj

Seeking the REAL *TRUTH* & Justice for the crimes committed
in the Murder of JF and the Death of RJ ~

[racerzeke]

And then for him to get out and take her out of the trunk or back seat with apartments (vacant or not) all around is really risky in broad daylight with all around. I've been to where she was dropped and it is hard to imagine him driving down the street and picking the location he did.

Of course we are saying all these things after the fact and what a possible murder should and should have not done.

And about the pulled over part, the Mercedes have a very dark tint which is an excuse for you to get pulled over he had to be paranoid as heck.

[jjgram]

Besides that.... the suitcase could have been thrown over the fence...

or for sure thrown out of another vehicle ! ! ! !

For true...

who knows.... who really saw ? ? ?

JMO

God Bless !
jj

*** SEEKING THE REAL TRUTH IN THE MURDER OF JF AND
DEATH OF RJ = REAL TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR THE KILLER ! ! !

[jilly]

From that same Vancouver Sun article quoted one post up, this stands out to me:

<<He attended Western Canada High School in grades 10 and 11 but, according to his parents' interview with the probation officer, he was "distracted" by his peers in high school, so they enrolled him at St. Michael's University School, a private school in Victoria, for Grade 12.>>

Looks to me like there were signs of problems long ago, if parents were being already being interviewed by probation officers, so much so that they put him in a private school for grade 12 only. Also, a bit classic, for parents who may believe their child can do no wrong, notice that the blame is placed on his peers by the family, not their son. It seems that is still the case even now.
...............................................
Ryan Jenkins at his 10-year St. Michael's University School high school reunion in Victoria in 2005.Photograph by: Handout, Times Colonist:
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.timescolonist.com/1917482.bin?size=620x400

I agree capri!

Just what you need to do when your kid has problems - send him to aboarding school in a different province with many affluent and fast 'peers". (Not all of them of course.) My brother went there (St Michaels) many years ago and came out a drug addict. He said there there was a smogasboard of drugs available.

You can tell by the way Ryan said (at the pool) - "I love my life". Yes...the fast life, something which I don't believe simply happened when he arrived in LA.

jmo

[Paladine]

I believe most Parents do their best with the tools they've been given. I don't see the Jenkins as being bad Parents. Maybe they made choices I wouldn't have but I've messed up, too, here and there. Very few Parents have a baby and say "I'm gonna royally screw this kid up"...most try, and for that, imo, they deserve credit. It's far from easy being a Parent.

[Paladine]

Upcoming Wrongful Death Suit?

Lepore said the statement indicates Dan is trying to protect himself from legal action.

"He's a millionaire and he's looking at a wrongful-death suit," she said.

When asked if she is pursuing legal action, Lepore said she is just a quiet gardener who does ceramics. "But I'm going to find justice for my daughter, one way or another."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Jenkins+didn+leave+suicide+note+motel/1949974/story.html

[Capri]

Any new statements from the parents other than DanJ saying he would offer a reward?

[Paladine]

Any new statements from the parents other than DanJ saying he would offer a reward?

Not yet...but Ms. Lapores statement re; Millionaire protecting his assets...might bring one...lol...;)...excited! :) Too bad I have commitments this afternoon...might miss something...lol...

[sillybilly]

Has anyone seen a picture of RJ's mom Nada Antic (the former Mrs. Jenkins)? Also, maybe when she and Dan J were married/divorced?

[Paladine]

Has anyone seen a picture of RJ's mom Nada Antic (the former Mrs. Jenkins)? Also, maybe when she and Dan J were married/divorced?

Yes...I think there was a picture of her somewhere...'cause I see her in my head...lol...my memory is photographic...no idea where...could have been TV News...? Try Vancouver websites, maybe...TV websites...CTV, CBC, OH! Yes...it was after her statement, they had a photo w/it...as they played the call they showed a picture...no idea where, though, I go all over...not much, but hope that helps.

Divorce, no idea...

ETA...I'll keep my eyes open for it on my travels...

[Paladine]

enzeder posted an image of the marriage certificate of Jasmine and Ryan that shows Dan Jenkins was or is American...born in Tennessee...bringing it over here...wonder when he moved to Canada....does the child of an American automatically get citizenship? Wonder if he gave up his citizenship....Neither Parents were born Canadian...

AND...it states that it was Jasmines 1st marriage...we know that's not true. Does that invalidate the marriage license? It's a lie...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/05FtdIre6N1SY?q=%22jasmine+fiore%22

[sillybilly]

does the child of an American automatically get citizenship? Wonder if he gave up his citizenship....Neither Parents were born Canadian...<snip>

Here is an article where the author indicates he and his wife were born in the US acquired dual citizenshp, and their child born in Canada was automatically a dual citizen:

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

[sillybilly]

Yes...I think there was a picture of her somewhere...'cause I see her in my head...lol...my memory is photographic..<snip>

Thanks Paladine. Still can't find a pic, but could you give me a real brief idea of what's in your head ;)

Reason I'm curious is I am personally aware of a slightly odd occurrence in Hope, BC on August 15 regarding, shall we say an "odd couple". Probably nothing, but thought I'd check into it.

[Paladine]

<snip>

Thanks Paladine. Still can't find a pic, but could you give me a real brief idea of what's in your head ;)

Reason I'm curious is I am personally aware of a slightly odd occurrence in Hope, BC on August 15 regarding, shall we say an "odd couple". Probably nothing, but thought I'd check into it.

sure..an older lady, late 50's, chin length hair, like barely grazing the shoulders...not long...shorter in the front (bangs area but not a straight bang) , seems dingy to me...maybe a little salt and pepper-ish...but brown...in the pic I saw she seemed disheveled...like her hair was sort of messy...tousled...and, naturally, her face was slightly lined...as mine is...;)

ETA...I remember thinking there was a similarity to the other Wife, Karen...can't remember how...but I thought, same 'type'...
AND...this could have been an older photo..I'll keep looking, too.

[Paladine]

And I posted a mcleans piece in Medialinks that had this quote from Nada...

Despite it all—his flight from authorities, the high-speed boat chases along the Washington coast and, later, his apparent suicide—Nada maintains her son played no role in the murder. “Ryan is a good young man and I have to prove his innocence—that’s my goal in life,” she says. “I believe my son is innocent.”

“I can tell you he panicked, we were trying to bring him in,” his mother said.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/millionaire-murder/3/

[stilettos]

enzeder posted an image of the marriage certificate of Jasmine and Ryan that shows Dan Jenkins was or is American...born in Tennessee...bringing it over here...wonder when he moved to Canada....does the child of an American automatically get citizenship? Wonder if he gave up his citizenship....Neither Parents were born Canadian...

AND...it states that it was Jasmines 1st marriage...we know that's not true. Does that invalidate the marriage license? It's a lie...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/05FtdIre6N1SY?q=%22jasmine+fiore%22

Lying on a marriage license invalidates the license and hence the marriage is also invalid. Says so on the form...and they tell you when you swear that you are stating the truth. At least that's what happens in GA.

[stilettos]

enzeder posted an image of the marriage certificate of Jasmine and Ryan that shows Dan Jenkins was or is American...born in Tennessee...bringing it over here...wonder when he moved to Canada....does the child of an American automatically get citizenship? Wonder if he gave up his citizenship....Neither Parents were born Canadian...

AND...it states that it was Jasmines 1st marriage...we know that's not true. Does that invalidate the marriage license? It's a lie...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/05FtdIre6N1SY?q=%22jasmine+fiore%22

Lying on a marriage license invalidates the license and hence the marriage is also invalid. Says so on the form...and they tell you when you swear that you are stating the truth. At least that's what happens in GA. Also, you can then have the marriage annulled for fraud...either party can apply.

[stilettos]

If you lie on the application for your license, the marriage is invalid...due to fraud.

[Paladine]

If you lie on the application for your license, the marriage is invalid...due to fraud.

From that marriage license, it seems to me there's a real possibility Jasmine never told Ryan about Cardozi...that she had already been married. Otherwise, why lie on the license?

[jjgram]

And I posted a mcleans piece in Medialinks that had this quote from Nada...





http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/03/millionaire-murder/3/

Wow that is some article... 3 pages of very interesting info !

Manager: Grady Huber

Jasmine: Lepore ~ Cardosi ~ Fiore ~ Kinkade

Boy Friends: Nick Runeare & Robert Hasman


X Husband: Michael Cardosi

FriendS: many.....

Very interesting life = JF

Also : very interesting info & back ground on RJ

Thanks for the link !


God Bless !
jjgram

**** Interested in finding the WHOLE TRUTH & SEEKING
~~~ JUSTICE ~~~ for the Murder of JF &
Death of RJ
Need : DETAILS ~ DETAILS ~~~ DETAILS !!!!!!!!!

Thanks !

[sillybilly]

sure..an older lady, late 50's, chin length hair, like barely grazing the shoulders...not long...shorter in the front (bangs area but not a straight bang) , seems dingy to me...maybe a little salt and pepper-ish...but brown...in the pic I saw she seemed disheveled...like her hair was sort of messy...tousled...and, naturally, her face was slightly lined...as mine is...;)

ETA...I remember thinking there was a similarity to the other Wife, Karen...can't remember how...but I thought, same 'type'...
AND...this could have been an older photo..I'll keep looking, too.

Thanks Paladine. Doesn't sound like the same person. Woman I am referring to would be mid to late 50s, very pale skin, prudish, tense, uptight looking, quite reddish hair, kinda short (like a longish, loose perm if you know what I mean). Was with a really big, rough-looking biker dude with a beer-belly that doesn't quit. They looked like the most unlikely couple in the world. They were asking around for 63030 Flood Hope Road (the T-Bird Motel). Strange thing was they said they had been out that way already and must have missed it. The address they were at asking for directions was not even on Flood-Hope Road. Nobody thought it that unusual of course until RJ came up dead at the T-Bird and Aug 15 fell into a timeline related to the murder.

Sure hope these nice peeps aren't reading this and see how I describe them :eek:

Prolly nothing, but I'll keep it tucked in the back of my mind

[jjgram]

Thanks Paladine. Doesn't sound like the same person. Woman I am referring to would be mid to late 50s, very pale skin, prudish, tense, uptight looking, quite reddish hair, kinda short (like a longish, loose perm if you know what I mean). Was with a really big, rough-looking biker dude with a beer-belly that doesn't quit. They looked like the most unlikely couple in the world. They were asking around for 63030 Flood Hope Road (the T-Bird Motel). Strange thing was they said they had been out that way already and must have missed it. The address they were at asking for directions was not even on Flood-Hope Road. Nobody thought it that unusual of course until RJ came up dead at the T-Bird and Aug 15 fell into a timeline related to the murder.

Sure hope these nice peeps aren't reading this and see how I describe them :eek:

Prolly nothing, but I'll keep it tucked in the back of my mind

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

Hey~there ~ SillyBilly.... do you live close ?


Just wondering...

You might have something there....
really....


ha ve you talked to authorities????

just wondering...

You actually SAW these couple ?

wild...

***
Maybe we can talk later....

like to know more...


God Bless !
jjgram


*******SEEKING *** THE REAL TRUTH to EQUAL = ~JUSTICE ! ! !

for the Murder of JF and the Death of RJ ! ! !

Just the Plain TRUTH & FACTS WILL SOLVE THIS CASE ! ! ! !

[jjgram]

Sept 3, 2009 Thurs Evening !
ABC's 20/20

RJ & JF details
with FBI report



Thanks
God Bless !
jj

********SEEKING THE REAL TRUTH & FACTS
RE: Murder of JF and death of RJ for "JUSTICE"

Thanks !

[Paladine]

Thanks Paladine. Doesn't sound like the same person. Woman I am referring to would be mid to late 50s, very pale skin, prudish, tense, uptight looking, quite reddish hair, kinda short (like a longish, loose perm if you know what I mean). Was with a really big, rough-looking biker dude with a beer-belly that doesn't quit. They looked like the most unlikely couple in the world. They were asking around for 63030 Flood Hope Road (the T-Bird Motel). Strange thing was they said they had been out that way already and must have missed it. The address they were at asking for directions was not even on Flood-Hope Road. Nobody thought it that unusual of course until RJ came up dead at the T-Bird and Aug 15 fell into a timeline related to the murder.

Sure hope these nice peeps aren't reading this and see how I describe them :eek:

Prolly nothing, but I'll keep it tucked in the back of my mind

Prudish and uptight...might be...and the photo was black and white, I think, so reddish hair...not sure....but no perm...it is strange...:waitasec: I'll keep looking for a photo...

[sillybilly]

Sorry jj, I don't provide any personal info because of the nature of the boards I am on. So ... w/o divulging too much, I live in BC and stopped to visit with a relative while I was passing through Hope on Aug 15. Yes, I saw these people. No I haven't gone to authorities, but may at some point. That is why I was enquiring what RJ's mom looked like because of the woman appearing uncomfortable. I mean, maybe she had just had a hemorrhoidectomy for all I know. IF I was to see a pic and think it was possibly one and the same, I would go to the authorities. My experience with LE is if you go in with too little, they ask you what on earth made you come in in the first place. I like to go in "loaded for b'ar" ;)

[Paladine]

Sorry jj, I don't provide any personal info because of the nature of the boards I am on. So ... w/o divulging too much, I live in BC and stopped to visit with a relative while I was passing through Hope on Aug 15. Yes, I saw these people. No I haven't gone to authorities, but may at some point. That is why I was enquiring what RJ's mom looked like because of the woman appearing uncomfortable. I mean, maybe she had just had a hemorrhoidectomy for all I know. IF I was to see a pic and think it was possibly one and the same, I would go to the authorities. My experience with LE is if you go in with too little, they ask you what on earth made you come in in the first place. I like to go in "loaded for b'ar" ;)

I'm going to keep looking, sillybilly...boy, wish I could remember!:bang:

[enzeder]

Prudish and uptight...might be...and the photo was black and white, I think, so reddish hair...not sure....but no perm...it is strange...:waitasec: I'll keep looking for a photo...

Back in the day I did a search for a NJ Facebook page. I found one and NJ photo on her profile showed her with, iirc, shortish blonde hair. I went back the next day for another look and the photo for this profile had been removed and the profile itself appeared no longer active?.

There is a photo of a NJ on this classmates.com profile at below link. Is it the NJ?. I don't know.

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=8705212614

[Paladine]

Okay...the interview she did was with Global TV. I think that was where they showed the photo as they played the interview. I have Family commitments right now, but will continue to look tomorrow...Here's Globals link...
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Jenkins+mother+expresses+condolences+murder+victim/1929322/story.html

[Paladine]

Back in the day I did a search for a NJ Facebook page. I found one and NJ photo on her profile showed her with, iirc, shortish blonde hair. I went back the next day for another look and the photo for this profile had been removed and the profile itself appeared no longer active?.

There is a photo of a NJ on this classmates.com profile at below link. Is it the NJ?. I don't know.

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=8705212614

Could be! The Woman I recall wasn't so full in the cheeks, and was more pursed around the lips...BUT...that pic I saw wasn't a smiling pic...it looks the same...but the pic I saw was black and white...that really might be it...any way we can find out where she attended school, I wonder...?

ETA...I'm 90% sure it's her.

[Paladine]

Okay...I did a search on google of Nada Jenkins and came up with this photo which would have been a facebook friend thumbnail, it's the same as the one you had, I think, enzeder...same Lady...imo

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v228/745/91/q1216383747_4949.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.jp/people/Deborah-Krause/1440246415&usg=__faWBI0gmvit6di0h3UwrtfJLLAo=&h=50&w=50&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&sig2=0SKHcChrz_y_Lm_O-jPV8w&um=1&tbnid=9ShbMflD7xe5TM:&tbnh=50&tbnw=50&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnada%2Bjenkins%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom. microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GFRD_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=7XKgSpWGEuTbmQeyyezoDQ

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v228/745/91/q1216383747_4949.jpg

Now, here's the friend profile it was on and she is no longer there listed as a friend...

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=Deborah+Krause&init=quick#/friends/?id=1440246415&sid=519688454.3871831782..1

And here is the second Mrs. Jenkins...that reminded me of Nada...but younger...

http://wellness.meetup.com/1/members/8772492/

I am almost positive that's her.

Now, I gotta run...but I will not rest now till we know...ugh...;)

[enzeder]

Could be! The Woman I recall wasn't so full in the cheeks, and was more pursed around the lips...BUT...that pic I saw wasn't a smiling pic...it looks the same...but the pic I saw was black and white...that really might be it...any way we can find out where she attended school, I wonder...?

ETA...I'm 90% sure it's her.

The classmates.com NJ looks similar to the NJ I saw on FB. Considering that the FB pic was removed within hours of me seeing it makes me think that it had to have been her. I recall thinking that RJ looks like his mom...brown eyes iirc. IMO

[enzeder]

Paladine, I'm almost certain that the pic at the below link you posted is the one I saw on the NJ FB page. (It was a bigger photo and much clearer on her actual profile.) IMO

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v228/745/91/q1216383747_4949.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.jp/people/Deborah-Krause/1440246415&usg=__faWBI0gmvit6di0h3UwrtfJLLAo=&h=50&w=50&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&sig2=0SKHcChrz_y_Lm_O-jPV8w&um=1&tbnid=9ShbMflD7xe5TM:&tbnh=50&tbnw=50&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnada%2Bjenkins%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom. microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GFRD_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=7XKgSpWGEuTbmQeyyezoDQ

[Paladine]

Paladine, I'm almost certain that the pic at the below link you posted is the one I saw on the NJ FB page. (It was a bigger photo and much clearer on her actual profile.) IMO

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v228/745/91/q1216383747_4949.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.jp/people/Deborah-Krause/1440246415&usg=__faWBI0gmvit6di0h3UwrtfJLLAo=&h=50&w=50&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&sig2=0SKHcChrz_y_Lm_O-jPV8w&um=1&tbnid=9ShbMflD7xe5TM:&tbnh=50&tbnw=50&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnada%2Bjenkins%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom. microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GFRD_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=7XKgSpWGEuTbmQeyyezoDQ


Yeah...I'm almost positive it's her...without doing DNA ;) it's as close as I can get...and the pic being the same as the missing fb page really drives that home for me. The black and white photo threw me off a bit...Teamwork, enzder...gotta love it!

[sillybilly]

Wow, I feel a little guilty ... I went for a nap and you folks were all busy helping here:)

Have looked at all the pics that everyone has provided links to and can't see any resemblance to the woman I saw. Thanks ever so much. Like I said, prolly nothing to it (unless she was travelling uber-incognito LOL)

[Paladine]

Wow, I feel a little guilty ... I went for a nap and you folks were all busy helping here:)

Have looked at all the pics that everyone has provided links to and can't see any resemblance to the woman I saw. Thanks ever so much. Like I said, prolly nothing to it (unless she was travelling uber-incognito LOL)

No problem, sillybilly...and after thinking about it, I think if Ryan's Mom had reached him, she wouldn't have left him there...imo...a mother's protective nature...sadly, this was her only Child :( But...gotta run, or my Kids may disown me...;)

[jjgram]

Sorry jj, I don't provide any personal info because of the nature of the boards I am on. So ... w/o divulging too much, I live in BC and stopped to visit with a relative while I was passing through Hope on Aug 15. Yes, I saw these people. No I haven't gone to authorities, but may at some point. That is why I was enquiring what RJ's mom looked like because of the woman appearing uncomfortable. I mean, maybe she had just had a hemorrhoidectomy for all I know. IF I was to see a pic and think it was possibly one and the same, I would go to the authorities. My experience with LE is if you go in with too little, they ask you what on earth made you come in in the first place. I like to go in "loaded for b'ar" ;)

Lack of SLEEP here... SORRY ~ SILLYBILLY ~

Hope you'll forgive me...

Lost control of my selfers A G A I N ~~~~ get a little
carried away...
in the SEARCH ~ FOR THE * REAL * TRUTH & JUSTICE for
all !!!!


Thanks !
I say... 10- 4 to your waiting ! & yes... I know
all about the
Big Guys and the INFO !!!

Forgive me !:slap::slap::slap:
Thanks so much for the help you are giving !!!!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS !!!

jj

****** ALso guess the 20/20 is FRIDAY NITE>>> ? SORRY
I put Thursday I swear the girl said Sept 3 ! ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~ THe TRUTH WILL HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TO SEEK THE JUSTICE FOR JF & RJ BOTH !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Normcar21]

Here's a digital overlay of the above offered photos to see how the facial characteristics align. I offer 4 photos below, intensity of overlay increasing with each photo. Looks pretty close to me, eyes, nose, cheek bones, chin, etc.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4894&stc=1&d=1252035362

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4895&stc=1&d=1252035391

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4896&stc=1&d=1252035417

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4897&stc=1&d=1252035439

[Normcar21]

Here's one from a promo for the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology in Calgary, doesn't specifically indicate that this is Dan Jenkins, but I found it while doing a search on Nada, he flies and it sure looks like him. I'd be willing to bet :waitasec:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4898&stc=1&d=1252035748

Link: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.classmates.com/imgsvc/d%3Fp%3D13955621&imgrefurl=http://www.classmates.com/directory/college/Southern%2520Alberta%2520Institute%2520of%2520Tech nology_3.jsp%3Forg%3D17869351&usg=__rJcuuYsnYbQQG20lE3S4i953QyQ=&h=450&w=337&sz=47&hl=en&start=6&sig2=EFB_BUUKWirZbF5_7BJDaw&um=1&tbnid=DWy7yLphuwS2wM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNada%2BJenkins%2BCalgary%26hl%3Den%26 sa%3DG%26um%3D1&ei=mYOgSt-QHZn6tAPpxozqCw

And one more of DJ with...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4899&stc=1&d=1252035855

Link: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://immedia.squarespace.com/storage/danandkathy.JPG&imgrefurl=http://immedia.squarespace.com/cosmopolitan/%3FcurrentPage%3D2&usg=___q9JSO3mh0H0uC9Z_Y-FVrG_7qI=&h=164&w=150&sz=58&hl=en&start=8&sig2=WMB3ErG1MicNu4bCOnzsNw&um=1&tbnid=NYEqaCadrcuVvM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddan%2Bjenkins%2Bcalgary%26hl%3Den%26u m%3D1&ei=P4SgSpq9CpbYtAOol4nzDQ

[Francine]

Thanks Paladine. Doesn't sound like the same person. Woman I am referring to would be mid to late 50s, very pale skin, prudish, tense, uptight looking, quite reddish hair, kinda short (like a longish, loose perm if you know what I mean). Was with a really big, rough-looking biker dude with a beer-belly that doesn't quit. They looked like the most unlikely couple in the world. They were asking around for 63030 Flood Hope Road (the T-Bird Motel). Strange thing was they said they had been out that way already and must have missed it. The address they were at asking for directions was not even on Flood-Hope Road. Nobody thought it that unusual of course until RJ came up dead at the T-Bird and Aug 15 fell into a timeline related to the murder.

Sure hope these nice peeps aren't reading this and see how I describe them :eek:

Prolly nothing, but I'll keep it tucked in the back of my mind

Perhaps it was his aunt? She seems to fit your description. This video also has an interview with two of RJ's best buddies, Dan and Eric.

YouTube - Ryan Jenkins Aunt Speaks

[Francine]

Here's one from a promo for the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology in Calgary, doesn't specifically indicate that this is Dan Jenkins, but I found it while doing a search on Nada, he flies and it sure looks like him. I'd be willing to bet :waitasec:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4898&stc=1&d=1252035748

Link: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.classmates.com/imgsvc/d%3Fp%3D13955621&imgrefurl=http://www.classmates.com/directory/college/Southern%2520Alberta%2520Institute%2520of%2520Tech nology_3.jsp%3Forg%3D17869351&usg=__rJcuuYsnYbQQG20lE3S4i953QyQ=&h=450&w=337&sz=47&hl=en&start=6&sig2=EFB_BUUKWirZbF5_7BJDaw&um=1&tbnid=DWy7yLphuwS2wM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNada%2BJenkins%2BCalgary%26hl%3Den%26 sa%3DG%26um%3D1&ei=mYOgSt-QHZn6tAPpxozqCw

And one more of DJ with...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4899&stc=1&d=1252035855

Link: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://immedia.squarespace.com/storage/danandkathy.JPG&imgrefurl=http://immedia.squarespace.com/cosmopolitan/%3FcurrentPage%3D2&usg=___q9JSO3mh0H0uC9Z_Y-FVrG_7qI=&h=164&w=150&sz=58&hl=en&start=8&sig2=WMB3ErG1MicNu4bCOnzsNw&um=1&tbnid=NYEqaCadrcuVvM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddan%2Bjenkins%2Bcalgary%26hl%3Den%26u m%3D1&ei=P4SgSpq9CpbYtAOol4nzDQ

May 2007: Architect and developer Dan Jenkins with the Calgary Herald's Kathy McCormick at Il Sogno for a preview of Oceano Village, a new oceanfront community in the Caribbean now under development. For more information about the opportunities to purchase now, visit I wonder how high up in seniority is this Kathy McCormick?

[Paladine]

Looking at those photos of Ryans Parents, I feel compassion for them...to lose a Child...my worse nightmare. I sincerely hope they make it through okay.

[jjgram]

Perhaps it was his aunt? She seems to fit your description. This video also has an interview with two of RJ's best buddies, Dan and Eric.

YouTube - Ryan Jenkins Aunt Speaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcXF7iT4Jyw)

Thank you so much Francine !

This interview w/ RJ's Aunt and his 2 guy friends...
is
Good insight to people very close to RJ


Remember: 2 different Families Lost 2 Young Members of
their family's to

two very DIFFERENT TRAGIC = ENDINGS ! ! !

Honestly ~ this story is just gut wrenching to me...

and
I hope and pray that the LAPD an d the CANADIAN AUTHORITIES
will
NOT LEAVE ONE SINGLE DETAIL LEFT UN SEARCHED AND
THAT
THEY WILL INVESTIGATE EVERY LITTLE DETAIL.....

the very thought of the Horrific murder of JF....

the very thought of the possible SUICIDE Death / or possible

even murder of RJ/ because of the Guilt... or the

BEING accussed of BEING * G U I L T Y * Before

PROVEN GUILTY>.... is just unreal.

YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR SELF IN BOTH FAMILIES PLACES ! ! !

You have to wait till all cell phone and Credit Card RECEIPTS

and ALL THE TOTAL PLAYERS? X HUSBANDS AND X FIANCE's an
BOYFRIENDS>>> ETC>...

their was a very tangled ~ ~ ~ W E B ~ ~ ~ mixed with
Drugs
and ALCOHOL and " TEXT MESSAGING" that was weird to me...

anyone can mix up TEXT MESSAGES and ANYONE that has the
cell phone in their possession would be able to use. . . the
current texting to "REPLY" and
how in the WORLD * * * * would you be able to prove
who
W H O ? ? ? pushed the "REPLY TO THE TEXT " ? ? ?

how could you prove it....???


Oh good grief...

I was just trying to say thank you Francine for the
grrrrrrrrrrreat Link...
and
I got carried away again. ! oops sorry !

JMO
God BLESS !
jj


**** SEEKING THE REAL * TRUTH * TO THE MURDER OF JF
and
THE DEATH OF RJ ! ! !

[Francine]

Yes, Paladine, my worst nightmare as well. I think DJ will make it through better than NA. After all, he was her only child. I don't know if she's remarried, but I sure hope she gets the support she needs, as well as JF's two moms and friends who must be also suffering greatly.

When I read her quote about the pain being indescribable, and that the pain of losing her son is the worst pain she's ever experienced, my heart went out to her. I'm sure JF's family feels the same way about their loss, but I haven't yet read any quotes from them that put it so succinctly about the pain involved in losing a close loved one in such a sudden shocking way. And for NA, RJ's reputation and subsequently her own is forever tainted.

BTW, that woman with DJ in the pic that Normcar posted is not one of his wives (he's on his third wife), I believe. I think she just happened to be at a fund raiser of some kind of event at the same time as DJ. She works for the Herald newspaper.

[sniperacer]

Uh oh...I admit...I pushed an ex-Lover in a pool years ago...lol...for being a rude idiot...happy I didn't get charged...

Seriously, was THAT the assault??

Yes it appears it is assault if you have the correct chromosome.

[Paladine]

Alena Jenkins speaks out...my Brother is INNOCENT...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/ryan-jenkins-sister-brother-innocent-murder-model-jasmine/story?id=8489604

[Normcar21]

I wonder how high up in seniority is this Kathy McCormick?

I'd guess she's pretty high in her area of expertise. This link specifies her personal focus, which apparently began at least a decade ago:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kathy-mccormick/9/6b7/856

Kathy McCormick’s Experience
Homes, condos and recreation and investment properties writer Calgary Herald
(Media Production industry)
January 1998 — Present (11 years 9 months)...I have 20 years experience writing for this industry

COMMENT: I would guess that this gal knows a whole lot about the family, Dad especially, and has had significant exposure to little Ryan as well. In what specific fashion I care not to toy with as I'm sure Kathy is quite legitimate and was not grabbed up and played with by the RJ train of narcissism.

[Normcar21]

Perhaps it was his aunt? She seems to fit your description. This video also has an interview with two of RJ's best buddies, Dan and Eric.

YouTube - Ryan Jenkins Aunt Speaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcXF7iT4Jyw)

GREAT GREAT video, thanks...

My comment, it's a bit lengthy, but I'm really passionate about that happened to this girl:

This video clip is an insult to Jasmine, IMO. But it's perhaps understandable considering that little ryan had loved ones and these are the ones who spoke here.

Linda referred to actions as "unfair." I would suggest that it was unfair to pull the teeth out of Jasmine's mouth, rip the beautiful hair out of her head, and cut off her finger tips in order to attempt to rush away, temporarily, from culpability in a crime that is, to me, too horrific to deal with, even as a bystander.

According to the aunt Ryan was in contact with everyone in the world except the pope, yet nobody who loved him responded apparently. Clearly the reason for this is that it's a lie, and such a shallow lie that it is incredible that the aunt thinks that anyone outside of the immediate family would hang on to the dream vision.

The friends are at least honest in their recall of the essential problem...money. Ryan, we now know, had no money, even though his boasts apparently declared some sort of fortune. Calgary BMW contacts have now indicated that the guy reneged on a lease for his expensive BMW and is in the red, post mortem, for about 12 grand. Clearly Jasmine was doing okay, money wise, she was working regularly for Playboy and had other ventures upcoming, she certainly didn't have a money problem.

Here's the rant, from these supporters of jenkins, they just couldn't imagine him doing this or that...well, daddy wasn't helping, even though daddy wanted to help and apparently chatted with ryan telling him to give up this relationship.

IMO, ryan wanted to show daddy that he could do it all on his own and was mezmerized by Jasmine and her ability to take care of herself...so he clung to her like a leach, hoping to show daddy that he could do it on his own.

Even his best friends declare that "money" was always on his mind.

Hey, the friend said on video: ryan's dream was to be in los angeles (money, money, fame, fame).

One of the friends, IMO, got it right when he said that ryan "just fell in love", something unexpected. And the rest is history. Little ryan went for fame, glory, money, and found a really classy lady who he became psychotic about in his latent narcissism, that bloomed when he found Jasmine.

PS - Linda looks just like Paladine's and other's findings of who Mom Jenkins is, same hair color, and distinguishing features, imo.

[Francine]

Normcar wrote (snipped): This video clip is an insult to Jasmine, IMO. But it's perhaps understandable considering that little ryan had loved ones and these are the ones who spoke here.

It's really sad how these two families who both have suffered a horrible loss seem to be fighting it out in the court of public opinion. Even though RJ's family blames the media for RJ "panicking" and taking his own life, his family is not being reticent in using the media to try to redeem his and thus their reputation.

Also another poster (sorry, can't remember who) suggested that they may have been told by their lawyers that they could be facing a wrongful death civil suit, and thus have to take the stance that RJ is innocent. They cannot implicate him, because that could be used against them later in court.

However, his mother and half-sister seem to have to believe for their own sanity that he is innocent. Maybe a psych major could explain if that kind of denial is useful as a temporary means of coping and helping them get through this shock.

Unfortunately, especially because this is being battled out in public, Jasmine's memory and her family are being deeply hurt and victimized all over again through no fault of their own.

IMO

[sniperacer]

found a really classy lady


LOL. I love this group. Delusional, but so entertaining.

[sniperacer]

It's really sad how these two families who both have suffered a horrible loss seem to be fighting it out in the court of public opinion. Even though RJ's family blames the media for RJ "panicking" and taking his own life, his family is not being reticent in using the media to try to redeem his and thus their reputation.

Also another poster (sorry, can't remember who) suggested that they may have been told by their lawyers that they could be facing a wrongful death civil suit, and thus have to take the stance that RJ is innocent. They cannot implicate him, because that could be used against them later in court.

However, his mother and half-sister seem to have to believe for their own sanity that he is innocent. Maybe a psych major could explain if that kind of denial is useful as a temporary means of coping and helping them get through this shock.

Unfortunately, especially because this is being battled out in public, Jasmine's memory and her family are being deeply hurt and victimized all over again through no fault of their own.

IMO

Well said Francine. And I agree 100% with every word.

I've heard about denial used as a means coping before - been used many times in other cases. It's my first reaction when my children do something totally out of character at school.

Nothing more to say.

[sillybilly]

Well said Francine. And I agree 100% with every word.

I've heard about denial used as a means coping before - been used many times in other cases. It's my first reaction when my children do something totally out of character at school.

Nothing more to say.

Justice is for the victim, but the justice system is also about a fair trial for the accused. If I were on an RJ jury right now, I would absolutely NOT in good conscience be able to find him guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" based on the only information that is available to the public at this point.

Although JF's family doesn't seem to feel the same way, I find it sad that Jasmine's alleged killer will never be held publicly accountable through the justice system ... and equally sad that for RJ's family, his suicide has removed forever the possibility that his parents MIGHT some day see him exonerated through that same judicial system. Unless DJ is successful with an offered reward and "another" killer is brought forward, his family will forever have the stigma that their son is believed to be a killer in the court of public opinion.

MOO MOO

[Paladine]

Justice is for the victim, but the justice system is also about a fair trial for the accused. If I were on an RJ jury right now, I would absolutely NOT in good conscience be able to find him guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" based on the only information that is available to the public at this point.

Although JF's family doesn't seem to feel the same way, I find it sad that Jasmine's alleged killer will never be held publicly accountable through the justice system ... and equally sad that for RJ's family, his suicide has removed forever the possibility that his parents MIGHT some day see him exonerated through that same judicial system. Unless DJ is successful with an offered reward and "another" killer is brought forward, his family will forever have the stigma that their son is believed to be a killer in the court of public opinion.

MOO MOO

Bravo! Couldn't agree more...

[Normcar21]

LOL. I love this group. Delusional, but so entertaining.

Hi Mark, the object of this group and all threads in WS from what I have seen during my few brief months here is that each participant tries to help out in their own unique way, sharing thoughts, theories, information, and ideas in a mutually respectable and respectful way. I have discovered that most participants are able to find a way to politely and respectfully disagree with a post or comment.

I'm not quite sure what you are fishing for here with your comment. I feel that it is not really worthy of a response, but I will in order to make a suggestion about etiquette and also to humor you, as it is clear in your above offering that one of your a priori goals is to be humored and entertained.

My response: The reference to the "real classy lady" phrase was written from RJ's perspective rather than my own. Although...from my extremely brief video introduction to this girl, kindly offered by Paladine, I'd say that, yes, she does indeed appear to possess some degree of class and does not appear to be averse to showing that she doesn't have an answer for everything existing -- unlike some people I have met both online and in the real world.

No hard feelings, Mark, I simply felt that I should respond to this one. :)

[Paladine]

We all have our own views on what is appropriate or "classy"...it's relative to one's perspective and cultural upbringing. IMO...diverse views make this board work.

:) *GROUPHUG* :)

[CatGirl]

Justice is for the victim, but the justice system is also about a fair trial for the accused. If I were on an RJ jury right now, I would absolutely NOT in good conscience be able to find him guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" based on the only information that is available to the public at this point.

Although JF's family doesn't seem to feel the same way, I find it sad that Jasmine's alleged killer will never be held publicly accountable through the justice system ... and equally sad that for RJ's family, his suicide has removed forever the possibility that his parents MIGHT some day see him exonerated through that same judicial system. Unless DJ is successful with an offered reward and "another" killer is brought forward, his family will forever have the stigma that their son is believed to be a killer in the court of public opinion.

MOO MOO

This brings something up that I’ve been meaning to ask. I’m aware of the judicial system when the suspect is “alive” … but how does that change a case when the suspect is no longer living?

I feel equally sad for both families and my heart goes out to everybody. The overwhelming media coverage has already found Ryan guilty, which is unfortunate for those who dearly love him.

Does anybody know how the death of a suspect changes the case?

[sillybilly]

This brings something up that I’ve been meaning to ask. I’m aware of the judicial system when the suspect is “alive” … but how does that change a case when the suspect is no longer living?

I feel equally sad for both families and my heart goes out to everybody. The overwhelming media coverage has already found Ryan guilty, which is unfortunate for those who dearly love him.

Does anybody know how the death of a suspect changes the case?

In the eyes of the law, Ryan Jenkins died an innocent man. Charges were immediately dismissed against him.

from:
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+found+dead+police+conf irm/1922414/story.html

The murder charges against Jenkins have been dismissed and there are no other suspects in the case, said Farrah Emami, spokeswoman for the Orange County district attorney’s Office.

[Paladine]

GREAT GREAT video, thanks...

My comment, it's a bit lengthy, but I'm really passionate about that happened to this girl:

This video clip is an insult to Jasmine, IMO. But it's perhaps understandable considering that little ryan had loved ones and these are the ones who spoke here.

Linda referred to actions as "unfair." I would suggest that it was unfair to pull the teeth out of Jasmine's mouth, rip the beautiful hair out of her head, and cut off her finger tips in order to attempt to rush away, temporarily, from culpability in a crime that is, to me, too horrific to deal with, even as a bystander.

According to the aunt Ryan was in contact with everyone in the world except the pope, yet nobody who loved him responded apparently. Clearly the reason for this is that it's a lie, and such a shallow lie that it is incredible that the aunt thinks that anyone outside of the immediate family would hang on to the dream vision.

The friends are at least honest in their recall of the essential problem...money. Ryan, we now know, had no money, even though his boasts apparently declared some sort of fortune. Calgary BMW contacts have now indicated that the guy reneged on a lease for his expensive BMW and is in the red, post mortem, for about 12 grand. Clearly Jasmine was doing okay, money wise, she was working regularly for Playboy and had other ventures upcoming, she certainly didn't have a money problem.

Here's the rant, from these supporters of jenkins, they just couldn't imagine him doing this or that...well, daddy wasn't helping, even though daddy wanted to help and apparently chatted with ryan telling him to give up this relationship.

IMO, ryan wanted to show daddy that he could do it all on his own and was mezmerized by Jasmine and her ability to take care of herself...so he clung to her like a leach, hoping to show daddy that he could do it on his own.

Even his best friends declare that "money" was always on his mind.

Hey, the friend said on video: ryan's dream was to be in los angeles (money, money, fame, fame).

One of the friends, IMO, got it right when he said that ryan "just fell in love", something unexpected. And the rest is history. Little ryan went for fame, glory, money, and found a really classy lady who he became psychotic about in his latent narcissism, that bloomed when he found Jasmine.

PS - Linda looks just like Paladine's and other's findings of who Mom Jenkins is, same hair color, and distinguishing features, imo.

This brings something up that I’ve been meaning to ask. I’m aware of the judicial system when the suspect is “alive” … but how does that change a case when the suspect is no longer living?

I feel equally sad for both families and my heart goes out to everybody. The overwhelming media coverage has already found Ryan guilty, which is unfortunate for those who dearly love him.

Does anybody know how the death of a suspect changes the case?

I'm not sure, Catgirl. Maybe someone else or one of our Mods might know...I await an answer, too, good question...:)

[Paladine]

In the eyes of the law, Ryan Jenkins died an innocent man. Charges were immediately dismissed against him.

from:
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+found+dead+police+conf irm/1922414/story.html

Thanks, sillybilly...it is such a sad situation...funny, I'm just a nobody on a forum and yet I feel like I need to know, I need closure...imagine the Families...wow...:(

[Normcar21]

In the eyes of the law, Ryan Jenkins died an innocent man. Charges were immediately dismissed against him.

from:
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+found+dead+police+conf irm/1922414/story.html

Surely the innocent until proven guilty thing is part and portion of the above legal reality. Personally, I cannot wrap my head around the idea that because an individual who has been charged and has warrents for murder commits suicide everything is "all wrapped up" nice and tidy and there is no longer any reason to get to the truth, use existing evidence, witnesses and such, to come to the truth of the matter.

To me that concept simply victimizes the family of the victim once more. It creates a dead zone where absolutely nothing is resolved. Even though the suspect is dead, he/she gets away with the crime and takes the prize in some sick and perverse manner.

Suggestion - Everyone else is still around, the evidence still exists, let's try the guy post mortem and let a jury decide whether or not the suspect is guilty. Yeah, every person charged has a right to confront his/her accuser. Well, the decision was made by the charged, they decided not to take the stand, clearly seen by the fact that they killed themselves, their choice.

Sorry, I know this is a rant, but something really STINKS about this idea that In the eyes of the law, Ryan Jenkins died an innocent man. Charges were immediately dismissed against him.

[Paladine]

The law sometimes is not fair. Innocent people have been executed. And some of the guilty go free.

But I like the idea of a trail...with or without the defendant...lol...I just want some discovery...;)

[Capri]

In the eyes of the law, Ryan Jenkins died an innocent man. Charges were immediately dismissed against him.

from:
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Accused+killer+Ryan+Jenkins+found+dead+police+conf irm/1922414/story.html

I'm not seeing the part about charges being dismissed. Where are you seeing it? Or possibly it was changed, after first posted???:confused:

[WhiteBoard]

From that marriage license, it seems to me there's a real possibility Jasmine never told Ryan about Cardozi...that she had already been married. Otherwise, why lie on the license?

Yeah, that is strange - stating basically, no previous marriages. Got married so quickly, neither had time to find out about each other's backgrounds or past history.

Also, other possibilities:

1) Maybe lied so she could easily get an "annulment" later if it didn't work out, or for some other reasons? Of course, that would be admitting to a crime. Strange that she used the maiden name "Kinkade" instead of "Lepore" for this marriage? like she was trying to hide the marriage, just like you said above, Paladine?

2) Wanted to make sure she could invalidate the marriage by "lying" (fraud), so she & Cardosi, could get married when he got out of prison, as apparently they were planning to do, per letters back & forth between them, while he was in prison.

As an aside: maybe she realized later, she couldn't get it annulled, cause she lied, ....so then later provoked Jenkins into hitting her (by kissing another man right in fron of him - Cirque du Soleil (sp?) guy or whoever) causing her to fall into pool, filing charges against him, then having him arrested...now she has grounds probably for an anullment or divorce. That way maybe Jenkins would never find out about Cardosi?

Notice pictures of her & Cardosi, day of his release, with "no wedding rings" on? Wonder if "rings" were with her, or left them at home & jenkins took them.....or.....during one of JF & RJ's many arguments, Jenkins demanded them back, or something on that order. Then Jenkins FedX's them to be "cleaned" for his next bride?? Ha, ha.......not really very funny, sorry.

Paladine, do you know how far in advance Prisoners are notified of their "Release Date".......Jasmine must have known for a bit of time, when Cardosi was getting out, don't you think? I would think having that information available to her, would help in some strategic planning regarding dumping Jenkins, so she would be available for Cardosi, no?

[JBean]

I'm not seeing the part about charges being dismissed. Where are you seeing it? Or possibly it was changed, after first posted???:confused:From the article:

>>The murder charges against Jenkins have been dismissed and there are no other suspects in the case, said Farrah Emami, spokeswoman for the Orange County district attorney’s Office.<<

No one to send to trial so no need to press charges. he is innocent as far as the law goes .

[jjgram]

Just wondering ?
Has any one heard any news from CANADA ?

or from RJ's parents ?

ANY NEWS FROM THE RCMP : Canadian Mounties/Police Etc ?

is no news good news....
or
do we think there is something weird... that

the Morning shows had JF parents on... but

nothing else re: RJ or the real truth from the INVESTIGATION
with
the CALIFORNIA AUTHORITIES ! ? ? ?

Thanks !
God Bless !
jjgram

~~~~ SEEKING THE *REAL* TRUTH & DETAILS ~
Re: murder of JF and
Death
of R J ! ! !

[LilyMacBloom]

I quickly searched for an obit for RJ but was unable to find one

[JL50ish]

Since the most likely suspect killed himself, do they consider the case "closed"?

[JBean]

Since the most likely suspect killed himself, do they consider the case "closed"?

The last we heard it was still an ongoing case. A lot has happened since then, but I do not think they have formally closed. I looked RJ's case up on the OC court website and he is still listed as a fugitive and the case is open. Now wether that is clerical or they are actively investigating i do not know.

[Zoemonster]

Ryan's father sent out a private invitation for an Oct 1 memorial service. TMZ also reports that Buena Vista police hope to receive the hard drive from RJ's computer-- found at the Thunderbird motel-- w/in the next 2 weeks.

[jilly]

Ryan's father sent out a private invitation for an Oct 1 memorial service. TMZ also reports that Buena Vista police hope to receive the hard drive from RJ's computer-- found at the Thunderbird motel-- w/in the next 2 weeks.

Thanks again Zoe! - Especially the news about the computer!!

[jjgram]

Hope this does Not offend anyone...

but I am still thinking.... The Jenkins Family sure has a hard
day... tomorrow... OCT 1, 2009 for the Service of RJ their Son & brother.

This case is NOT Closed ~ yet.
All the EVIDENCE is Not in Y E T>

So I am certainly Sending my Prayers out for:angel::praying:
:Justice:
:prayer:
all the Family envolved.

God Be with each Family Member.

God Bless !
jjgram