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Angel Who Cares
08-27-2009, 07:49 PM
Video: FBI search Phillip Craig Garrido's Antioch home
http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_13217060

Slideshow: Jaycee Lee Dugard
http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_13216545

VIDEO: After 18 Years, Missing Child Returns
http://www.ktvu.com/video/20581963/index.html

VIDEO UPDATE: Two Suspects In Custody, Investigation Underway After Kidnapping Victim Returns 18 Years After Abduction
http://www.ktvu.com/video/20586757/index.html

VIDEO: STEPFATHER INTERVIEW: Dugard's Stepfather Talks About The End Of An Abduction Nightmare
http://www.ktvu.com/video/20581900/index.html

Raw Video: See Arrested Suspects
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=54603@kpix.dayport.com

Raw Video: Suspects' Home Searched
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=54598@kpix.dayport.com

Video Interview: Stepfather Of Kidnapped Girl
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=54600@kpix.dayport.com
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Twisted Details in Dugard Kidnap Case
August 27, 2009
Updated 10 minutes ago
<snipped>
A parole agent questioning convicted sex offender Phillip Garrido, 58, helped solve the 18-year mystery of Jaycee Dugard's kidnapping.

Garrido was on parole in Contra Costa County following his 1999 release from a Nevada prison for a rape conviction. Garrido had also served time in the federal prison at Lompoc for rape.

According to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, a parole agent summoned Garrido into the Concord parole office after police officers at UC Berkeley spotted Garrido with two small children.

Garrido and his wife were arrested and transported to the Contra Costa County jail, then booked in the El Dorado County jail Thursday afternoon.

Kollar said that upon further investigation of the Garrido home in Antioch, they found several tents, outbuildings and sheds where Jaycee and the two girls lived.

Kollar added that the two girls, who Garrido fathered with Jaycee have lived in virtual isolation since they were born. "None of the children have gone to school, or have been to a doctor," added Kollar.

Garrido's prior arrest history consists of possession of marijuana. While on parole supervision in California, Garrido was subject to regular drug and alcohol tests and required to wear a monitored GPS bracelet.

Phillip Garrido is a 58-year-old man whose last known address is in Contra Costa County in the town of Antioch.

http://www.news10.net/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090827041749_garrido.JPG

Phillip and Nancy Garrido
http://www.news10.net/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090827052155_Phillip-Nancy-Garrido-320.jpg

Jaycee Dugard, 1991
http://www.news10.net/assetpool/images/090826101642_Jaycee-Dugard3-320.jpg

VIDEO: Father Speaks About the Miracle of Jaycee's Return
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80902

VIDEO: California Department of Corrections Press Conference
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80908

VIDEO: El Dorado County Sheriff's Department Press Conference
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80924

VIDEO: A Reporter's Perspective on Dugard's Disappearance and Return
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80926

Article:
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=65918&catid=2
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Live Coverage:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181
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Kidnap Victim Jaycee Dugard Located After 18 Years
August 27, 2009
Updated 24 mins ago
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Jaycee was abducted on June 10, 1991 from South Lake Tahoe. At that time, it was reported that a vehicle with two people inside, drove up to her and grabbed her.

The El Dorado County Sheriff's Department and FBI are planning to hold a news conference Thursday at 3 p.m. to discuss the missing person case of Jaycee Dugard.

News10 will carry the press conference live on News10 and news10.net.

Dugard's stepfather, Carl Probyn, told News10 last night that family members believe authorities found the now 29-year-old girl alive.

"It's an absolute miracle if it is her...can you imagine this after 18 years?," Probyn said in a telephone interview.

VIDEO - 1991 - Search Continues for Missing Girl: Stacey Walters' Report; 10/05/91
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80868

VIDEO - 1992 - Tahoe Remembers Jaycee's Disappearance One Year Later; Jaime Garza's Report; 06/09/92
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80869

VIDEO - 1997 - New Arrests Offer Hope in Dugard Kidnapping: Deborah Pacyna's Report; 12/10/97
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80870

ARCHIVES: Search Continues for Missing Girl; Stacy Walter's Report; 10/05/91
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80868

ARCHIVES: Tahoe Remembers Jaycee's Disappearance One Year Later; Jaime Garza's Report; 06/09/92
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80869

ARCHIVES: New Arrests Offer Hope in Dugard Kidnapping: Deborah Pacyna's Report; 12/10/97
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80870

Police: Woman Claims to be 1991 El Dorado County Kidnap Victim: Cornell Barnard's Report; 8/26/09, 11 p.m.
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80871

South Lake Tahoe Hopeful for Jaycee's Return: Dave Marquis' Report; 8/26/09, 11 p.m.
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?aid=80872

Read the suspect's blog:
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=65912&catid=2

Article:
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=65885&provider=top

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drip~drop
08-27-2009, 07:49 PM
Themis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drip~drop
am i clear on this?

jaycee and her children were on the property for all those years that parole was doing home visits on him?

Apparently that is what happened. It does get hot in the summer and cold in the winter in that area. An 11 year old girl alone out there is a frozen picture of terror. Babies out there. Newborns. Pregnancy, labor, delivery, minutes old newborns. No medical care. No drugs. A child pregnant with a child. A child nursing newborns and all alone. Oh how horrifically awful. If no birth control, why only 2 in 18 years? The news said "several" children. Were the rest boys who didn't or weren't allowed to survive? Was he on GPS monitoring? Is that why he kidnapped and allowed girl babies to survive -- to replenish his access to victims? Somebody needs to remind the over worked parole offices that this kind of thing is the result of their "random" and "spot" monitoring methods. Not good enough!



NOT EVEN CLOSE ENOUGH! Outrageous, infact. this was a dangerous criminal.:mad:

adnoid
08-27-2009, 07:50 PM
the step dad did an execellent job in the sketch, and the vehicle. so sad that it took so long!

My assistant has lived in this area all her life. She likes to date law enforcement officers, firemen, stuff like that, and for a while was in a relationship with a deputy from Eldorado County.

Apparently that deputy told her they were 100% certain the stepfather had actually killed Jaycee and buried her somewhere, but couldn't prove it.

Looks like they were wrong if that's what they were thinking. That poor stepfather.

drip~drop
08-27-2009, 07:50 PM
oh crud. sorry christine, i don't know how to fix that broken link.:waitasec:

LinasK
08-27-2009, 07:52 PM
I had to miss the press conference to make sure I picked up my own daughter. Was Jaycee or her mom there? Does anybody know if they had a good reunion?
Also, I'm wondering if the jurisdiction changed from U.C. Berkeley to Concord to El Dorado County L.E. because the crime was committed in El Dorado county? Is that why the presser was to be held in Placerville? Will the Garrido's be transferred there? Let's hope they eventually do time in Folsom!:behindbar Nice scary place for them!

adnoid
08-27-2009, 07:53 PM
...I have a 357, a Glock, plenty of bullets, and a steady hand. How I would love to use them on both of these monsters. :furious::furious:

I've got that, PLUS a Colt Officer's .45 and my Browning A-5 automatic shotgun in my car parked in front of my office, along with about 100 rounds for each. I went shooting last night, and if I could get to those two I'd like to go again this evening. I've got pretty good aim, and I'd even swing by the house to pick up my AR-15 just in case they were a little further off.

But that would be wrong.

arielilane
08-27-2009, 07:53 PM
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=54598@kpix.dayport.com&cid=129

Raw video search of Antioch Home and more videos of kidnap case

drip~drop
08-27-2009, 07:53 PM
My assistant has lived in this area all her life. She likes to date law enforcement officers, firemen, stuff like that, and for a while was in a relationship with a deputy from Eldorado County.

Apparently that deputy told her they were 100% certain the stepfather had actually killed Jaycee and buried her somewhere, but couldn't prove it.

Looks like they were wrong if that's what they were thinking. That poor stepfather.

has she called him to see what he has to say now.
100%---pfffft. we have elizabeth, shawn and jaycee back now.:woohoo:

LinasK
08-27-2009, 07:54 PM
My assistant has lived in this area all her life. She likes to date law enforcement officers, firemen, stuff like that, and for a while was in a relationship with a deputy from Eldorado County.

Apparently that deputy told her they were 100% certain the stepfather had actually killed Jaycee and buried her somewhere, but couldn't prove it.

Looks like they were wrong if that's what they were thinking. That poor stepfather .:eek::eek::eek: No wonder his marriage broke up. I think they owe this poor guy a major public apology!

adnoid
08-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Unfortunately no...I work here on campus and basically anyone can walk into campus. School started yesterday, so there have been a ton of people on campus this last week. There are normally a few religious nuts standing down at Sather Gate or in Sproul Plaza handing out religious flyers or political propaganda.

If I find out who this great UC Berkeley police officer is...I just might walk down campus and give him a big hug!

With all the state budget cuts and furlough talk as well as lay-off's its nice to see that a positive story came from the UC Berkeley campus today!

I'm a Berkeley graduate! Saying there are a few religious nuts at Sather Gate & upper Sproul is like saying the ocean contains a few gallons of water.

amien
08-27-2009, 07:57 PM
Yes, the press conference confirmed she birthed the two girls while living in the backyard. Unbelievable. I assume they assisted her during labor, but it's doubtful they had any knowledge or expertise with childbirth.

As to the person who speculates if there were more children...if she has been continuously raped on a regular basis for 18 years, you're right, it is somewhat surprising she didn't have more children, but then again, it could just be random. I really hope there weren't other pregnancies or children....who knows what happened to them?

drip~drop
08-27-2009, 07:57 PM
I had to miss the press conference to make sure I picked up my own daughter. Was Jaycee or her mom there? Does anybody know if they had a good reunion?
Also, I'm wondering if the jurisdiction changed from U.C. Berkeley to Concord to El Dorado County L.E. because the crime was committed in El Dorado county? Is that why the presser was to be held in Placerville? Will the Garrido's be transferred there? Let's hope they eventually do time in Folsom!:behindbar Nice scary place for them!

neither jaycee nor her family were at the presser. I can only guess they have had a nice reunion so far, so much lost time for all of them.

last i heard, they moved the kidnappers to an undisclosed place.

shergal
08-27-2009, 07:58 PM
They just featured this on HLN with Mike Galanos. The 2 kids who were Jaycee's and the creep's have never been to school or a doctor. Unbelievable. I skipped JVM, can't stand the shouting, but am hoping Nancy Grace will have more updates.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 07:59 PM
I'm a Berkeley graduate! Saying there are a few religious nuts at Sather Gate & upper Sproul is like saying the ocean contains a few gallons of water.
So Garrido must have been acting really crazy then to stand out from all the others and get L.E.'s attention. Boy, what an ego to think he could bring Jaycee out in public.

Steely Dan
08-27-2009, 07:59 PM
My assistant has lived in this area all her life. She likes to date law enforcement officers, firemen, stuff like that, and for a while was in a relationship with a deputy from Eldorado County.

Apparently that deputy told her they were 100% certain the stepfather had actually killed Jaycee and buried her somewhere, but couldn't prove it.

Looks like they were wrong if that's what they were thinking. That poor stepfather.

The scorn and sideways glances he had to endure for so long. I hope he gets an apology from the people who made his life hell.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 08:00 PM
Yes, the press conference confirmed she birthed the two girls while living in the backyard. Unbelievable. I assume they assisted her during labor, but it's doubtful they had any knowledge or expertise with childbirth.

As to the person who speculates if there were more children...if she has been continuously raped on a regular basis for 18 years, you're right, it is somewhat surprising she didn't have more children, but then again, it could just be random. I really hope there weren't other pregnancies or children....who knows what happened to them?
Very possibly there were more who died and were buried in the back yard. I'll bet L.E. is checking that too...

Patty G
08-27-2009, 08:01 PM
August 27, 2009
Prime News

YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esTauMhGuQ4)
YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiEXjoeh5MM)
YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYvzlD0Oo0A)
YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_d4EuvXHlQ)

drip~drop
08-27-2009, 08:01 PM
So Garrido must have been acting really crazy then to stand out from all the others and get L.E.'s attention. Boy, what an ego to think he could bring Jaycee out in public.

but thank god he did huh.
wow---so glad jaycee is back with HER mommy and daddy.

Cherry Baby
08-27-2009, 08:02 PM
...I have a 357, a Glock, plenty of bullets, and a steady hand. How I would love to use them on both of these monsters.

I've got that, PLUS a Colt Officer's .45 and my Browning A-5 automatic shotgun in my car parked in front of my office, along with about 100 rounds for each. I went shooting last night, and if I could get to those two I'd like to go again this evening. I've got pretty good aim, and I'd even swing by the house to pick up my AR-15 just in case they were a little further off.

But that would be wrong.

Nahhhhhhhh....think of the money we will save the tax payers! Just wait while I get my baseball bat and some heavy duty trash bags.

I can't even imagine what her family is feeling right now.

elepher50
08-27-2009, 08:03 PM
At the back of the property taken from raw video:

adnoid
08-27-2009, 08:06 PM
Very possibly there were more who died and were buried in the back yard. I'll bet L.E. is checking that too...

I'll bet you're right, with the lack of medical care (or ANY sort of decent treatment) and her status as a sex slave I'm sure there were plenty of miscarriages and babies that died for lack of proper care.

Perhaps they can get these worthless pieces of excrement the death penalty for THAT. I can dream, can't I?

SteveHuff
08-27-2009, 08:09 PM
Someone posted a link to my blog entry about Garrido (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/08/meet_phillip_craig_garrido.php#more) earlier - he was arrested in November, 1976 and convicted of kidnapping, rape etc. in Feb., 1977. My sources were pdfs of the actual newspapers articles published back then about the crime. That doesn't mean he didn't do something in 1971. I'd wager he was a lifelong sexual predator, and we're about to find out about a very long, terrible trail of broken lives left in his wake.

Cypros
08-27-2009, 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by LinasK
Two things about Google Earth: 1) The maps are not updated frequently. I know because of the changes around my home are not reflected on it e.g. shrubbery changed/fencing/pool, and a hotel that changed hands still shows the original chain, and 2) the photos are taken by satellite, so even if you were outside at the time Google was capturing your neighborhood, you wouldn't know it.
The van is not visible in the satellite image. It is only visible in the street images that are taken from a vehicle that drives down the streets with a rotating camera on top taking photos of the fronts of the houses. These images are very controversial since they provide much more information on the private property than the satellite images do. They are not taken at the same time as the satellite images and are usually more recent than the satellites. I believe they have only been available on Google for the last year and a half or so.

Correction: The satellite image on Google Earth does show a van parked near the back of the driveway. But what I am talking about is the sequence of images showing a van (perhaps the same one) pulling out of the driveway and following the Google camera van down the street and around the corner. check it out and see for yourself!

Cypros
08-27-2009, 08:11 PM
I'm a Berkeley graduate! Saying there are a few religious nuts at Sather Gate & upper Sproul is like saying the ocean contains a few gallons of water.

Hi Adnoid! I am also a Berkeley alum. He had to have been acting VERY odd to stand out in the crowd there. I miss that place!!

adnoid
08-27-2009, 08:11 PM
:eek::eek::eek: No wonder his marriage broke up. I think they owe this poor guy a major public apology!

From this article:

Backyard Compound in Antioch Appears to Have Been Kidnapped Child's Home for 18 Years (http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/2831/reftab/36/t/Backyard%20Compound%20in%20Antioch%20Appears%20to% 20Have%20Been%20Kidnapped%20Childs%20Home%20for%20 18%20Years/Default.aspx)

"...Her step-father, a long-time suspect in the case, says he saw a car pull up and take Jaycee. Kollar says there's no evidence to suggest this was anything other than a stranger abduction..."

christine2448
08-27-2009, 08:12 PM
I am overwhelmed...imagine what those that are living this are going through. Prayers all around. I think I will have holes in my jeans tomorrow from bein' on my knees.....I can't imagine. Calling all angels.

pferrin
08-27-2009, 08:14 PM
Wasn't Garrido incarcerated during part of the time?... so Jaycee would have been in the shed with just his wife at home.

Please ladies and gentlemen if you get a chance to get him or her ..I should say it or ...it please do the deed for me as well.

I will supply ammo., bats, electric knive whatever it takes..including letters to congress.

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:14 PM
neither jaycee nor her family were at the presser. I can only guess they have had a nice reunion so far, so much lost time for all of them.

last i heard, they moved the kidnappers to an undisclosed place.

Good point, drop~drop.

It was a good move that the victims and families were not at the presser. Also a good idea to move the perps. This will outrage the public. We're not threatening public officials either and we understand budget restraints. However, a thorough investigation of each parolee more often than 18 years would help! They've gotta fix that system.

As to the victims being absent from the presser:

To the Paparazzi: Let me explain the concept of "eggshell skull" to you. Eggshell skull is when a person is very very fragile. So fragile that even a bump might jostle another person would cause extreme damage to that "eggshell skull" person. Well, Jaycee, her two daughters, her mother, father, stepfather, sister and the rest of her family are "eggshell skull" people right now. That means that they have been through such a psychological shock that any more approaches, photos, attempted interviews, following, distance cameras, snapshots, or other snooping into their lives could cause them great and serious damages. You know what the result is in American law to anyone who causes great and serious damage -- physical, psychological, emotional or other damage -- to a person who has an "eggshell skull?" The person who did the little bump, photo, following them or whatever becomes liable for ALL the damage because in the American law, you take your plaintiff (these victims) as you find them. In other words, it's too bad for you. So, if you don't want to spend the rest of your lives paying these victims for that little bump or whatever -- leave them alone! No photos. No following. No harassment. Too risky for you to get that story. Move on to something else. Investigate the perps and the public officials, but not the victims here.

Mazama
08-27-2009, 08:14 PM
Someone posted a link to my blog entry about Garrido (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/08/meet_phillip_craig_garrido.php#more) earlier - he was arrested in November, 1976 and convicted of kidnapping, rape etc. in Feb., 1977. My sources were pdfs of the actual newspapers articles published back then about the crime. That doesn't mean he didn't do something in 1971. I'd wager he was a lifelong sexual predator, and we're about to find out about a very long, terrible trail of broken lives left in his wake.

I have images of the newspaper clippings. It is apparent the charges of kidnapping and rape mentioned in those articles took place in 1976 and his conviction in 1977. I have found nothing that shows he was arrested or convicted of those same crimes in 1971 however. I believe the year 1971 was an error.

Maz

:cow:

JoeFromLB
08-27-2009, 08:14 PM
Jaycee Lee Dugard. Two photos provided by her stepdad.

Dyann
08-27-2009, 08:15 PM
August 27, 2009
Prime News

YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esTauMhGuQ4)
YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiEXjoeh5MM)
YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYvzlD0Oo0A)
YouTube - Prime News 8/27/09 Jaycee Lee Dugard Part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_d4EuvXHlQ)
News 10 Sacramento just stated Garrido was paroled from Levinworth, August 1988

raeann
08-27-2009, 08:16 PM
but thank god he did huh.
wow---so glad jaycee is back with HER mommy and daddy.


Yes, but it is her mom and step sister she is with now. Her step father and mom are separated, partially as a result of the stress and suspicion that he endured regarding Jaycee's kidnapping. According to reports from early today, her mom raised her alone for about 7 years, so I have not seen any direct references to her biological father.

LaLaw2000
08-27-2009, 08:17 PM
I've got that, PLUS a Colt Officer's .45 and my Browning A-5 automatic shotgun in my car parked in front of my office, along with about 100 rounds for each. I went shooting last night, and if I could get to those two I'd like to go again this evening. I've got pretty good aim, and I'd even swing by the house to pick up my AR-15 just in case they were a little further off.

But that would be wrong.

BBM:

Well, kinda, sorta, maybe...............I suppose it would be wrong. I did enjoy thinking about it, tho! :D

jnTexas
08-27-2009, 08:18 PM
I have images of the newspaper clippings. It is apparent the charges of kidnapping and rape mentioned in those articles took place in 1976 and his conviction in 1977. I have found nothing that shows he was arrested or convicted of those same crimes in 1971 however. I believe the year 1971 was an error.

Maz

:cow:

I heard him say it, but i think it was a mistake on his part. like 1991/1971 instead of 1976.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 08:18 PM
Hi Adnoid! I am also a Berkeley alum. He had to have been acting VERY odd to stand out in the crowd there. I miss that place!!

I get over there now and again. Still crazy.

future criminologist
08-27-2009, 08:20 PM
if I were Jaycee's parents, I'm not sure if I would rather find her alive 18 years later but having suffered unspeakable horrors, torture and with 2 children by the abductor, or find out that she was killed immediately. I know all parents hope that their child is alive, but I'm not sure that I would want to find out that my child had lived this way for 18 years. I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.

raeann
08-27-2009, 08:21 PM
I've got that, PLUS a Colt Officer's .45 and my Browning A-5 automatic shotgun in my car parked in front of my office, along with about 100 rounds for each. I went shooting last night, and if I could get to those two I'd like to go again this evening. I've got pretty good aim, and I'd even swing by the house to pick up my AR-15 just in case they were a little further off.

But that would be wrong.


UT OH.....remind me not to do anything to make you mad at me!!!:blowkiss:

Mazama
08-27-2009, 08:22 PM
I heard him say it, but i think it was a mistake on his part. like 1991/1971 instead of 1976.

The more I think about it...I believe it was probably a clerical error and 1977 is indeed correct.

JMHO :crazy:

Maz

Patty G
08-27-2009, 08:22 PM
August 27, 2009
Press Conference

YouTube - Jaycee Lee Dugard Press Conference 8/27/09 Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XPTkknP5l8)
YouTube - Jaycee Lee Dugard Press Conference 8/27/09 Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaX1dy0ZTFQ)
YouTube - Jaycee Lee Dugard Press Conference 8/27/09 Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDQ7sYPDSPk)

adnoid
08-27-2009, 08:23 PM
...I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it."

--Helen Keller

I'm glad they will have the chance - I'm sitting here looking at a picture of my 15 yo daughter, I cannot imagine my world without her in it.

jnTexas
08-27-2009, 08:23 PM
if I were Jaycee's parents, I'm not sure if I would rather find her alive 18 years later but having suffered unspeakable horrors, torture and with 2 children by the abductor, or find out that she was killed immediately. I know all parents hope that their child is alive, but I'm not sure that I would want to find out that my child had lived this way for 18 years. I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.

I do believe I would want my child back over finding out they were dead anyday!!

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:23 PM
I don't want anyone in the public to harm one hair on the heads of the perps. I want the law to give them every single ounce of due process and criminal rights they are due; because I want the conviction and sentence to stick! I trust that the California law enforcement will gather the evidence, the District Attorney will perform admirably, the Court system will be squeaky clean and thorough and the right results will come through the justice system.

In my imagination only, I'd love to saddle up my horse and form up a posse. 'Get a rope.

Angel Who Cares
08-27-2009, 08:23 PM
Post #2 Has the both press conference's included it...as well as old videos from the case with many of the new ones just released in the past hr or so!

Backyard Compound in Antioch Appears to Have Been Kidnapped Child's Home for 18 Years
8/27/2009 4:24:00 PM
<snipped>
Investigators say Jaycee Lee Dugard appears to have been living in the backyard of an Antioch house since her kidnapping 18 years ago in the El Dorado County community of Myers.

Authorities say Dugard has cared for two little girls fathered by 58-year old Phillip Garrido in the backyard compound. Garrido and his wife Nancy are now in custody facing kidnapping, sexual assault, conspiracy and other charges.

"None of the children have ever been to school, they've never been to a doctor," El Dorado County Undersheriff Fred Kollar said. "They were kept in complete isolation in this compound, if you will."

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New RAW VIDEO: Placer County Undersheriff Fred Kollar Confirms Kidnapper Fathered Two Young Girls With Victim
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pferrin
08-27-2009, 08:23 PM
Murray told CBS 5, that Garrido was arrested again in Apr. 1993 because of another parole violation. The next month he was transferred to home detention and relieved of supervision in Aug. 1993.

According to a Contra Costa County sheriff’s spokesperson, Garrido has registered annually with law enforcement on his birthday every year since 1999.


He was in jail from april 1993 till august 1993..his wife kept Jaycee prisoner while he was incarcerated.

raeann
08-27-2009, 08:24 PM
if I were Jaycee's parents, I'm not sure if I would rather find her alive 18 years later but having suffered unspeakable horrors, torture and with 2 children by the abductor, or find out that she was killed immediately. I know all parents hope that their child is alive, but I'm not sure that I would want to find out that my child had lived this way for 18 years. I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.

From the comments that have been made about the phone call, and the sharing of childhood memories, and the immediate connection with her mother by asking her to come and get her...I sure hope that shows that she has a good chance to overcome this whole mess. She must have been a very strong little girl and now a strong mother who managed to keep two little girls alive and well in HORRIBLE circumstances. I want to believe she can make it through and so can they---if they made it through this former part of their lives---the recovery can only be so much easier. I hope.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 08:25 PM
I don't want anyone in the public to harm one hair on the heads of the perps. I want the law to give them every single ounce of due process and criminal rights they are do; because I want the conviction and sentence to stick! I trust that the California law enforcement will gather the evidence, the District Attorney will perform admirably, the Court system will be squeaky clean and thorough and the right results will come through the justice system.

In my imagination only, I'd love to saddle up my horse and form up a posse. 'Get a rope.
Folsom, San Quentin, Pelican Bay, any of them would be good enough for these two!:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

forthelost
08-27-2009, 08:25 PM
My assistant has lived in this area all her life. She likes to date law enforcement officers, firemen, stuff like that, and for a while was in a relationship with a deputy from Eldorado County.

Apparently that deputy told her they were 100% certain the stepfather had actually killed Jaycee and buried her somewhere, but couldn't prove it.

Looks like they were wrong if that's what they were thinking. That poor stepfather.

I really hate it when people make accusations about the families of the missing with no evidence.

My sister has insisted that Dugard's kidnapping was related to Amber Swartz-Garcia, Micheala Garecht, and Amanda Campbell. I'm wondering now if she is right. (She also said she doubted Timothy Binder was involved.)

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:26 PM
Yes, but it is her mom and step sister she is with now. Her step father and mom are separated, partially as a result of the stress and suspicion that he endured regarding Jaycee's kidnapping. According to reports from early today, her mom raised her alone for about 7 years, so I have not seen any direct references to her biological father.
Half-sister. Not step-sister. They share the same mother but not the same father.

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:27 PM
Folsom, San Quentin, Pelican Bay, any of them would be good enough for these two!:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
Pelican Bay by a long shot. Where they have thick glass cells and absolutely no physical contact. They are in the cells 23 hours a day.

raeann
08-27-2009, 08:29 PM
Half-sister. Not step-sister. They share the same mother but not the same father.

Ah yes, you are correct my mistake in typing without engaging brain first, in fact, in that picture from the original missing poster information, you can even see the top of the baby sister's head. She must have been holding her in her lap when the picture was taken.

pferrin
08-27-2009, 08:29 PM
I don't want anyone in the public to harm one hair on the heads of the perps. I want the law to give them every single ounce of due process and criminal rights they are do; because I want the conviction and sentence to stick! I trust that the California law enforcement will gather the evidence, the District Attorney will perform admirably, the Court system will be squeaky clean and thorough and the right results will come through the justice system.

In my imagination only, I'd love to saddle up my horse and form up a posse. 'Get a rope.

right now I just want to saddle up. I keep thinking 1 bullet or 1 million taxpayer dollars. and there is the little anger factor I have working right now..I just can't imagine what Jaycee must feel..how it would be for her to face those 2 yuks in court. Just give me the bullet.....:furious::furious::furious:

jnTexas
08-27-2009, 08:31 PM
I don't want anyone in the public to harm one hair on the heads of the perps. I want the law to give them every single ounce of due process and criminal rights they are do; because I want the conviction and sentence to stick! I trust that the California law enforcement will gather the evidence, the District Attorney will perform admirably, the Court system will be squeaky clean and thorough and the right results will come through the justice system.

In my imagination only, I'd love to saddle up my horse and form up a posse. 'Get a rope.

Sadly he was given 50 years in 77 and was paroled. then did 4 MONTHS yes 4 MONTHS in 93 for parole violation.

Just think if justice would've been served in 77. just think if justice had been served in all of the cases of these 1st time sex offenders. Just think of the innocent lives that could've been saved.

I'm so tired of hearing the Justice system get it wrong. When will the justice system give the sex offenders, and child abusers the full sentence. When will our children be more important than the mighty dollar they save by parolling the POS's!!

gaia227
08-27-2009, 08:32 PM
This is just unbelievable! I am just checking in after getting home and finding out she had been living in the backyard of this guy's house the whole time. I have always kept up with Jaycee's case mostly because we are the same age and I would think about myself when I was 11 yrs old and what she must have gone through but my thoughts always ended with the certainty that she was dead.

I am so glad that her parent lived to see this day! So many parents die without ever finding out what happened to their children.

I am very curious to see what she looks like and how closely she resembles the age enhanced versions.

At least at 29 yrs old she is still young. She can hopefully recover as much as she can from this and go on to live a full life.

MissOtk
08-27-2009, 08:34 PM
if I were Jaycee's parents, I'm not sure if I would rather find her alive 18 years later but having suffered unspeakable horrors, torture and with 2 children by the abductor, or find out that she was killed immediately. I know all parents hope that their child is alive, but I'm not sure that I would want to find out that my child had lived this way for 18 years. I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.

I think the majority would want to find their children alive after all those years, no matter what they've been through.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 08:36 PM
UT OH.....remind me not to do anything to make you mad at me!!!:blowkiss:

I don't really get mad. Besides, all I'd do is say something obnoxious.

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 08:36 PM
I agree, poor stepfather. They owe him such a HUGE apology!!!
My assistant has lived in this area all her life. She likes to date law enforcement officers, firemen, stuff like that, and for a while was in a relationship with a deputy from Eldorado County.

Apparently that deputy told her they were 100% certain the stepfather had actually killed Jaycee and buried her somewhere, but couldn't prove it.

Looks like they were wrong if that's what they were thinking. That poor stepfather.

jnTexas
08-27-2009, 08:38 PM
Maybe the Smart family can help them with their healing.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 08:39 PM
I really hate it when people make accusations about the families of the missing with no evidence.

My sister has insisted that Dugard's kidnapping was related to Amber Swartz-Garcia, Micheala Garecht, and Amanda Campbell. I'm wondering now if she is right. (She also said she doubted Timothy Binder was involved.)
Curtis Dean Anderson has now been linked to the death of Amber Swartz-Garcia.

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 08:40 PM
You said a mouthful Christine-amen!


I am overwhelmed...imagine what those that are living this are going through. Prayers all around. I think I will have holes in my jeans tomorrow from bein' on my knees.....I can't imagine. Calling all angels.

txsvicki
08-27-2009, 08:40 PM
I'd so love to get a chance at this woman who held Jaycee and the poor innocent little girls all these years, but will leave it to the other women who are in jail. Hopefully, these two will get the living daylights beat out of them at least once while in jail and then serve the rest of their useless demonic lives. Cops who won't listen and cast blame on family members also need to take a good long look at their undereducated selves who think they know it all. I wonder how many perverts have gone free to wreak havoc because of some prideful know it all detective.

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 08:41 PM
I have been in complete and total shock all day and so fearful that the details would unfold much as they have. I will pray for Jaycee and and her daughters and hope this family can find the strength and help they need to come out on the other side.

forthelost
08-27-2009, 08:42 PM
Curtis Dean Anderson has now been linked to the death of Amber Swartz-Garcia.

As far as I know, they bascially just took his confession seriously. I still think it's worth looking into.

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:43 PM
This is just unbelievable! I am just checking in after getting home and finding out she had been living in the backyard of this guy's house the whole time. I have always kept up with Jaycee's case mostly because we are the same age and I would think about myself when I was 11 yrs old and what she must have gone through but my thoughts always ended with the certainty that she was dead.

I am so glad that her parent lived to see this day! So many parents die without ever finding out what happened to their children.

I am very curious to see what she looks like and how closely she resembles the age enhanced versions.

At least at 29 yrs old she is still young. She can hopefully recover as much as she can from this and go on to live a full life.

I'd like to see her today too, but I don't want any media taking her picture or harassing her in any way whatsoever. We need to give her room to heal. How does someone recover from being given a 4th grade education and having socialization stop at age 11 with 2 decades of terror thereafter? How do they integrate successfully into society? How does a child who has never met anyone but perpetrator animals and their victimized mother ever start to socialize. How does a child who has not seen more than a backyard and a Berkeley park even begin the race to catch up so they can have a normal life. The girls born in that backyard have never even been to 1st grade and now one is 11 and the other 14. Where do they even start their rehabilitation so they can enjoy life in fast paced California? My heart is just shredded in empathy for this family.

Shecky
08-27-2009, 08:47 PM
I'd like to see her today too, but I don't want any media taking her picture or harassing her in any way whatsoever. We need to give her room to heal. How does someone recover from being given a 4th grade education and having socialization stop at age 11 with 2 decades of terror thereafter? How do they integrate successfully into society? How does a child who has never met anyone but perpetrator animals and their victimized mother ever start to socialize. How does a child who has not seen more than a backyard and a Berkeley park even begin the race to catch up so they can have a normal life. The girls born in that backyard have never even been to 1st grade and now one is 11 and the other 14. Where do they even start their rehabilitation so they can enjoy life in fast paced California? My heart is just shredded in empathy for this family.

This is exactly what I was wondering about, too. Can you imagine trying to start life as an adult when you have been locked in a shed since you were eleven years old?

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 08:47 PM
I missed the press conferences and did not get a chance to see the uploads yet...did they say where the two young girls are? Are they with Jaycee? So sad--one is the same age as she was when she went missing, and the other is already a young woman; they have never had a chance of a normal life: school, holidays, friendships, etc. Those poor girls, my heart hurts for them.

I'd be curious to know if they find newspaper clippings about Jaycee and other missing girls. I am guessing that this is not his only kidnapping...

LinasK
08-27-2009, 08:49 PM
I'd like to see her today too, but I don't want any media taking her picture or harassing her in any way whatsoever. We need to give her room to heal. How does someone recover from being given a 4th grade education and having socialization stop at age 11 with 2 decades of terror thereafter? How do they integrate successfully into society? How does a child who has never met anyone but perpetrator animals and their victimized mother ever start to socialize. How does a child who has not seen more than a backyard and a Berkeley park even begin the race to catch up so they can have a normal life. The girls born in that backyard have never even been to 1st grade and now one is 11 and the other 14. Where do they even start their rehabilitation so they can enjoy life in fast paced California? My heart is just shredded in empathy for this family.
Maybe Elizabeth Smart or the girl in Austria could help her... they could certainly relate to her circumstances.
Not all life in CA is fast paced. Maybe Jaycee can find a smaller, rural community where she is comfortable. I hope she gets to see her old teacher and school-mates too...

kai
08-27-2009, 08:50 PM
At the press conference the Undersheriff said the girls with with Jaycee at a motel in the area.

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:51 PM
This is exactly what I was wondering about, too. Can you imagine trying to start life as an adult when you have been locked in a shed since you were eleven years old?
I can't imagine. This is going to take an army of professionals of every kind to help her and her children. This tragedy is on the level of a personal holocaust for Jaycee and her children. I just don't have any idea where the money is going to come from to get them the help they need. The loving arms of her family is a good first step and essential foundation, but it is going to take a lot more than that to reverse the damages done here to generations of this family. They need so much exceptional quality professional help.

There's no possibility that Jaycee's parents insurance will cover this.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 08:52 PM
At the press conference the Undersheriff said the girls with with Jaycee at a motel in the area.
I hope they put them up someplace nice, but then anything with a regular bed would be better than camping for 18 years!

christine2448
08-27-2009, 08:52 PM
At least at 29 yrs old she is still young. She can hopefully recover as much as she can from this and go on to live a full life.

She will never 'recover'...my prayers are she takes the survivor attitude and uses this to help herself while helping others. This is something you can never fully recover from, IMO, FWIW. But you can use it, if you take the right road.

cynsational
08-27-2009, 08:53 PM
And who pays for the years of therapy Jaycee and her children will need? Also, the 2 daughters don't even have birth certificates. What kind of legal mess with that be? How will that be handled. Prayers to them. I am sure the media will be trying everything to get their pictures.

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:56 PM
Maybe Elizabeth Smart or the girl in Austria could help her... they could certainly relate to her circumstances.
Not all life in CA is fast paced. Maybe Jaycee can find a smaller, rural community where she is comfortable. I hope she gets to see her old teacher and school-mates too...
Respectfully, the other victims can relate somewhat, but that takes about 14 minutes flat. We're talking re-building a psyche here. PTSD to the ultra-max. As to living in a smaller, rural community, I want Jaycee to have her chance at a higher economic, intellectual and other lifestyle too if she chooses and she can't do that if the limits of her tolerance are in a smaller, rural community where, generally, unless you inherited the land or the businesses, poverty is king.

Themis
08-27-2009, 08:57 PM
She will never 'recover'...my prayers are she takes the survivor attitude and uses this to help herself while helping others. This is something you can never fully recover from, IMO, FWIW. But you can use it, if you take the right road.
Well said.

christine2448
08-27-2009, 08:57 PM
THIS IS WHY WE NEVER GIVE UP! HOPE, WE MUST HAVE HOPE UNTIL WE HAVE RESOLUTION.

Kk, goin to bed, with this and so many others on my mind.

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 09:01 PM
I can't imagine. This is going to take an army of professionals of every kind to help her and her children. This tragedy is on the level of a personal holocaust for Jaycee and her children. I just don't have any idea where the money is going to come from to get them the help they need. The loving arms of her family is a good first step and essential foundation, but it is going to take a lot more than that to reverse the damages done here to generations of this family. They need so much exceptional quality professional help.

There's no possibility that Jaycee's parents insurance will cover this.

ITA Themis. Let's hope an army of angels comes forward too.

I saw Elizabeth Smart and her father on Campbell Brown's show a little while ago. They do have some valuable insights and may very well be of help to this family. The circumstances are eerily similar - except for the length of time involved. 18 years is such a long time. I wouldn't know where to begin to help these people, but I'm determined to be confident that others do and will.

MissGinger
08-27-2009, 09:02 PM
Today is a crazy and overwhelming day. First I hear about Jaycee and I am dually sickened and overjoyed by what has happened. Any 20-something girl who grew up in Norcal in the early 90s was affected by her disappearance.

(now for something kind of OT) Then, I reconnect with an old high school friend who I haven't seen or spoken to in almost 10 years. The thing is that this friend, while we were still in HS, was kidnapped by a pimp and prostituted all over the country. She had contacted her family to let them know she was okay, but refused to come home or tell them where she was. Her family, convinced that she was being brainwashed by this pimp/boyfriend/pedo, still continued to list her as a missing person and kept looking for her. I lost touch with her family over the last few years. You can't even imagine my shock when I saw her name pop up on my Facebook. She's back in touch with her family, no longer on the streets and no longer using drugs, no longer being abused. So yeah, crazy day.

Angel Who Cares
08-27-2009, 09:03 PM
Video: Police: Calif. Girl Kidnapped In 1991 Found
http://www.wesh.com/video/20585282/index.html

:angel:

Themis
08-27-2009, 09:04 PM
So Garrido must have been acting really crazy then to stand out from all the others and get L.E.'s attention. Boy, what an ego to think he could bring Jaycee out in public.
It wasn't PG's behavior that got the Berkely Campus Security Officer's attention. One of Jaycee's daughters was with PG. The Security Officer thought the little girl's behavior was very odd -- as probably it was considering the little girl had spent her whole life since birth in the backyard!

gaia227
08-27-2009, 09:06 PM
She will never 'recover'...my prayers are she takes the survivor attitude and uses this to help herself while helping others. This is something you can never fully recover from, IMO, FWIW. But you can use it, if you take the right road.


I said recover as much as she can but I know what you mean. Of course she will never get over this. It is apart of her and hopefully she will learn to cope, to grow and try to turn as much of it as she can into something progressive for herself and for others. I cannot even begin to imagine how she must feel right now. How overwhelmed she must be especially with all the media attention and speculation.

gxm
08-27-2009, 09:06 PM
:eek::eek::eek: No wonder his marriage broke up. I think they owe this poor guy a major public apology!

It's interesting that at the presser the one sheriff mentioned, more than once, IIRC, that the family was never suspect.

Sleuthster
08-27-2009, 09:10 PM
if I were Jaycee's parents, I'm not sure if I would rather find her alive 18 years later but having suffered unspeakable horrors, torture and with 2 children by the abductor, or find out that she was killed immediately. I know all parents hope that their child is alive, but I'm not sure that I would want to find out that my child had lived this way for 18 years. I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.


Steven Stayner went through a living hell for years and when he came home it was very difficult according to news reports but I am sure that his parents where elated to atleast share some moment with him before his fatal accident. He married and had a child and I am sure those memories will last a life time for his parents.

Beyond Belief
08-27-2009, 09:13 PM
Would someone chime in that looked at that yard on Google Earth. Am I looking at it correctly seeing far to the back of yard what looks like an empty pool and a trampoline?

Shecky
08-27-2009, 09:15 PM
Today is a crazy and overwhelming day. First I hear about Jaycee and I am dually sickened and overjoyed by what has happened. Any 20-something girl who grew up in Norcal in the early 90s was affected by her disappearance.

(now for something kind of OT) Then, I reconnect with an old high school friend who I haven't seen or spoken to in almost 10 years. The thing is that this friend, while we were still in HS, was kidnapped by a pimp and prostituted all over the country. She had contacted her family to let them know she was okay, but refused to come home or tell them where she was. Her family, convinced that she was being brainwashed by this pimp/boyfriend/pedo, still continued to list her as a missing person and kept looking for her. I lost touch with her family over the last few years. You can't even imagine my shock when I saw her name pop up on my Facebook. She's back in touch with her family, no longer on the streets and no longer using drugs, no longer being abused. So yeah, crazy day.

Boy, do I hear that. I'm twenty-five and have lived in Northern California for all of my life. Jaycee and the other young girls that were abducted in this area during the 80's and early 90's have always stuck with me.

Glad to hear about your high school friend! Hope things will continue to improve for her.

gxm
08-27-2009, 09:16 PM
Pelican Bay by a long shot. Where they have thick glass cells and absolutely no physical contact. They are in the cells 23 hours a day.

I dunno. I'm thinking GP would be very appropriate.

momtective
08-27-2009, 09:17 PM
His blog is getting tons of comments http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/ too bad he'll never get the chance to read them.
I say kill him now, right now! No trial, not another day of tax payer money supporting or feeding him. Shoot the evil monster in the head and send him straight to hell.
Just do it already!

Poor Jaycee and her poor children I can't even imagine. My heart breaks for her parents that their precious granddaughters are the spon of this evil, evil, demon.

galvino
08-27-2009, 09:17 PM
I just caught the tail end of CNN (not HLN) and they had on a reporter that has interviewed the POS since his arrest, and that he was talking about how his and Jaycee's lives were blessed by God and that the world would understand the 'Hope" they stand for....

WTF?

Reporter said it was a very wierd interview. I didn't catch her name or station letters.
Help CaliSlueths!

pferrin
08-27-2009, 09:18 PM
has there been a fund started for jaycee and the girls? TIA

Themis
08-27-2009, 09:18 PM
Someone posted a link to my blog entry about Garrido (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/08/meet_phillip_craig_garrido.php#more) earlier - he was arrested in November, 1976 and convicted of kidnapping, rape etc. in Feb., 1977. My sources were pdfs of the actual newspapers articles published back then about the crime. That doesn't mean he didn't do something in 1971. I'd wager he was a lifelong sexual predator, and we're about to find out about a very long, terrible trail of broken lives left in his wake.
Clearly a psychopath!

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:19 PM
By Michael B. Farrell | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor from the August 27, 2009 edition
Ms. Dugard turned up Wednesday when her accused abductor, Phillip Garrido, reported to a parole office in Concord, Calif. Mr. Garrido is on parole for a 1971 rape and kidnapping conviction in Nevada.
Garrido was brought in for questioning after being confronted by campus police at the University of California in Berkeley. He was handing out religious literature. Campus police did a background check and realized he was a convicted sex offender.
Apparently because he was accompanied by two young children and acting strangely, according to police, campus authorities reported him to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation parole division.
Police said they don't know why Garrido brought Dugan, two other children, and his wife, Nancy, to the parole office.
It was there that police realized that girl who Garrido called "Allissa" was actually the missing Dugan.
Police have also said that the two young girls are Garrido's and Dugan's children. The Garridos were arrested and are expected to be officially charged on Friday for the 1991 kidnapping.
Dugan, now 29, and her family are in the process of reuniting. more at link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0828/p02s04-ussc.html

sarahsgsr
08-27-2009, 09:20 PM
I'm a Berkeley graduate! Saying there are a few religious nuts at Sather Gate & upper Sproul is like saying the ocean contains a few gallons of water.

hahahah you can totally say that again! After thinking about this more...there is limited parking around the campus unless you have a parking pass for the garages. As I went out to move my car yesterday and I was walking back on Gayley Avenue there was a gentleman at the top of the staircase, right on the opposite side of the street from the Greek Theatre in front of Stanley Hall that was handing out fliers. I just thought it was weird because most of the religious weirdos/zealots hang out down in Sproul or down by Sather Gate. I actually walked past him twice and now I'm starting to think back if this could have been him.

Thank god for the UC Berkeley police woman that let her instincts take over and check this guy out! I'm gonna go hug my little one now and be thankful that tonight a family can start to heal.

Themis
08-27-2009, 09:22 PM
His blog is getting tons of comments http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/ too bad he'll never get the chance to read them.
I say kill him now, right now! No trial, not another day of tax payer money supporting or feeding him. Shoot the evil monster in the head and send him straight to hell.
Just do it already!

Poor Jaycee and her poor children I can't even imagine. My heart breaks for her parents that their precious granddaughters are the spon of this evil, evil, demon.
Nope! He's just a sperm source. Slam an iron door down on any further thoughts of their paternity. They are wonderful, fabulous little girls to have survived this and society welcomes them with open arms. They don't need to delve into paternity any more than that.

Cypros
08-27-2009, 09:23 PM
Would someone chime in that looked at that yard on Google Earth. Am I looking at it correctly seeing far to the back of yard what looks like an empty pool and a trampoline?

I saw the trampoline and the pool and wondered if the girls ever had use of them.

Did you go into the street front views (click on camera icons)? You will see their van pulling out of the driveway and follow the Google camera.

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 09:24 PM
There seems to be some confusion regarding his prior convictions, but some reports have said he spent time in Leavenworth. Does anyone know when that was and why Leavenworth? I do feel there will be more victims of these freaks.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 09:27 PM
His blog is getting tons of comments http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/ too bad he'll never get the chance to read them....

That's some good reading there!

Themis
08-27-2009, 09:28 PM
I dunno. I'm thinking GP would be very appropriate.
General population? There's no guarantee what you think might happen would happen.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 09:28 PM
...They are wonderful, fabulous little girls to have survived this and society welcomes them with open arms. They don't need to delve into paternity any more than that.

Absolutely.

Brwnigirl
08-27-2009, 09:29 PM
I can't imagine. This is going to take an army of professionals of every kind to help her and her children. This tragedy is on the level of a personal holocaust for Jaycee and her children. I just don't have any idea where the money is going to come from to get them the help they need. The loving arms of her family is a good first step and essential foundation, but it is going to take a lot more than that to reverse the damages done here to generations of this family. They need so much exceptional quality professional help.

There's no possibility that Jaycee's parents insurance will cover this.

Maybe Oprah, a vicitm of child abuse will step forward..I sure hope someone does, someone with big bucks and the best resources

gxm
08-27-2009, 09:30 PM
Themis
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drip~drop
am i clear on this?

jaycee and her children were on the property for all those years that parole was doing home visits on him?

Apparently that is what happened. It does get hot in the summer and cold in the winter in that area. An 11 year old girl alone out there is a frozen picture of terror. Babies out there. Newborns. Pregnancy, labor, delivery, minutes old newborns. No medical care. No drugs. A child pregnant with a child. A child nursing newborns and all alone. Oh how horrifically awful. If no birth control, why only 2 in 18 years? The news said "several" children. Were the rest boys who didn't or weren't allowed to survive? Was he on GPS monitoring? Is that why he kidnapped and allowed girl babies to survive -- to replenish his access to victims? Somebody needs to remind the over worked parole offices that this kind of thing is the result of their "random" and "spot" monitoring methods. Not good enough!



NOT EVEN CLOSE ENOUGH! Outrageous, infact. this was a dangerous criminal.:mad:


I've been wondering the same thing. The sheriff said "several" which usually means more than two. Were there other babies that were not allowed to survive? But then, a 14-year old not receiving prenatal care and giving birth without medical attention, the physical strain on her young body may have made future pregnancies harder to carry to term.

Will this be like the Fritzl case where murder is added to the list of heinous charges?

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:33 PM
Aug 27, 2009 5:08 pm US/Pacific
As the details about Jaycee Lee Dugard's time in captivity emerged, those who knew her alleged captor Phillip Garrido were surpised about his virtual enslavement of the now 29-year-old woman.
Deepal Karunaratne, an Antioch real estate agent, said he worked with Phillip Garrido for a decade. He said Garrido printed business cards and signs for his business.

Karunaratne said he also frequently worked directly with a woman who called herself "Alyssa" and claimed to be Garrido's daughter. It turns out that "Alyssa" was actually Dugard, authorities said.
When shown a photo of Dugard at age 11 when she was abducted, Karunaratne reacted by saying: "That's her." "I mean she's changed now. But I know the smile, the featrures, the eyes," he explained.

"Everytime I talked to her she seemed to be very happy and smiling all the time," Karunaratne said, noting that Lake Tahoe is only a few hours drive away. "If she was kidnapped, I was wondering, why doesn't she get on a bus and go there?" Karunaratne shook his head and acknowledged the possibility that she had been brainwashed.

Karunaratne claimed "Alyssa" did the design work for Garrido's small printing company. He said he was often over at the Garrido house and interacted with Garrido's wife Nancy as well as the other kids. He said he always thought it was a bit strange that "Alyssa" never called Garrido "Dad." more at link:
http://cbs5.com/local/Phillip.Garrido.arrest.2.1148378.html

Beyond Belief
08-27-2009, 09:34 PM
I saw the trampoline and the pool and wondered if the girls ever had use of them.

Did you go into the street front views (click on camera icons)? You will see their van pulling out of the driveway and follow the Google camera.
I don't know where to click for the camera icon.

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 09:38 PM
Thank you!
At the press conference the Undersheriff said the girls with with Jaycee at a motel in the area.

jnTexas
08-27-2009, 09:39 PM
There seems to be some confusion regarding his prior convictions, but some reports have said he spent time in Leavenworth. Does anyone know when that was and why Leavenworth? I do feel there will be more victims of these freaks.

1977 he kidnapped and raped a 26 yrold i believe in 1976. was given 50 years but was paroled not sure what year. Went back in for parole violation april 1993 and released august 1993.

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 09:39 PM
I've been wondering the same thing. The sheriff said "several" which usually means more than two. Were there other babies that were not allowed to survive? But then, a 14-year old not receiving prenatal care and giving birth without medical attention, the physical strain on her young body may have made future pregnancies harder to carry to term.

Will this be like the Fritzl case where murder is added to the list of heinous charges?

I hate to say it, but I hope this will be the case. Obviously, kidnapping and rape charges are not enough to lock a POS away forever (WTH?).

Then again, he sounds like a total looney tunes. I don't want to see him get around his due punishment because he's a psycho.

If he is insane, how could they have missed it all these years - with parole violations? How could they not have dug deeper when he did F-up? This could have ended long ago for Jaycee.

momtective
08-27-2009, 09:42 PM
That's some good reading there!

Ain't it though!:crazy:

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:43 PM
The Garridos have been arrested and are in police custody at El Dorado county jail.
http://www.theonlinemail.co.uk/bangor-and-anglesey-news/uk-and-world-news/2009/08/28/kidnap-victim-s-fritzl-type-hell-66580-24552207/

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 09:44 PM
Does anyone know if his 88 yr old mother still alive? She should be arrested too!

Recovering-Lurker
08-27-2009, 09:44 PM
So, is this the longest time a kidnap victim has been held and has then been found??? I know more of you have followed many more cases than I.

wildTrose
08-27-2009, 09:45 PM
Im sure Jaycee loves her girls but I think it would be really hard on Jaycees mom to meet her granddaughters.......It will be a constent reminder of the man who hurt her child!
I sure hope this family can overcome the past and concentrate on a new life.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:46 PM
Does anyone know if his 88 yr old mother still alive? She should be arrested too!
One neighbor seemed to think his mother was bed-ridden and living with them. Perhaps that is Patricia. If so, APS ought to be called out and get her moved to a nursing home...

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 09:46 PM
Does anyone know if his 88 yr old mother still alive? She should be arrested too!

Somewhere today it was reported that he was currenty being investigated for elder abuse. She may very well know nothing and is just another victim of this freak.

anthrobones
08-27-2009, 09:46 PM
On Jaycee's Charley Project page there is a picture of a woman and a sketch that look very similar to each other. The picture of the woman is also found on the pages of Michaela Garecht and Ilene Misheloff, but the sketch is not. Since the sketch on Jaycee's page looks a lot like Garrido's wife, I wonder if he also took Michaela and Ilene.

I wonder if Jaycee ever saw those two girls anywhere at his house.

joga
08-27-2009, 09:47 PM
they just had a live interview with the scumbag on Channel 3! holy hell! i will try to find the link...it may be a bit because it was just on...

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:47 PM
Im sure Jaycee loves her girls but I think it would be really hard on Jaycees mom to meet her granddaughters.......It will be a constent reminder of the man who hurt her child!
I sure hope this family can overcome the past and concentrate on a new life.
It'll be hard for Jaycee and the girls too to forget their paternity, but except for his trial, he can be effectively dead to them now.

Themis
08-27-2009, 09:48 PM
Maybe Elizabeth Smart or the girl in Austria could help her... they could certainly relate to her circumstances.
Not all life in CA is fast paced. Maybe Jaycee can find a smaller, rural community where she is comfortable. I hope she gets to see her old teacher and school-mates too...
I was just re-reading the thread. LinasK, this is in no way a criticism, but think about this -- 18 years since she sat in that 5th grade. The 11 year old school classmates are long gone -- time has taken them away and they are now 29/30 years old. South Lake Tahoe was a sleepy combo small-town and resort in 1991. Some convention hotels were moving in. Now, the properties are listed on Southeby's. It is transitioning to the ultra-rich just like Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Her parents moved away from there. The life taken from her by kidnapping also moved on in time at warp speed and Jaycee didn't get to make that transition at a day by day pace -- it is being thrown at her in one huge time-speed reality.

momtective
08-27-2009, 09:49 PM
Nope! He's just a sperm source. Slam an iron door down on any further thoughts of their paternity. They are wonderful, fabulous little girls to have survived this and society welcomes them with open arms. They don't need to delve into paternity any more than that.

Oh I know they will cherish these little girls and I can't imagine how happy they are right now to have Jaycee home. I was just sayin' the knowledge of what Jaycee and her daughters have endured at the hands of this monster must be and probably always will be torturous for all of them.
God grant them the strength to overcome all of it. :praying:

joga
08-27-2009, 09:49 PM
ok...here we go. i want to punch him right now! he talks about how in the end, once the reporters can get the "documents" he gave to the feds they will understand what a "heartwarming story" this is....gggrrrr! i can't decide if he's nuts or just acting like it....

http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:50 PM
On Jaycee's Charley Project page there is a picture of a woman and a sketch that look very similar to each other. The picture of the woman is also found on the pages of Michaela Garecht and Ilene Misheloff, but the sketch is not. Since the sketch on Jaycee's page looks a lot like Garrido's wife, I wonder if he also took Michaela and Ilene.

I wonder if Jaycee ever saw those two girls anywhere at his house.
Actually, it's believed James Daveggio and Michelle Michaud- both on Death Row for the rape and murder of Vanessa Sampson are responsible for the disappearance of Ilene Misheloff. Michelle does resemble the sketch though...
I do hope this brings renewed interest to Ilene's case- I see her parents often and my heart breaks for them.

Recovering-Lurker
08-27-2009, 09:50 PM
Everyone needs to watch this video that another poster (sorry, I can't remember which one) posted.

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=54598@kpix.dayport.com&cid=129

galvino
08-27-2009, 09:52 PM
they just had a live interview with the scumbag on Channel 3! holy hell! i will try to find the link...it may be a bit because it was just on...

Thanks! That must have been what I saw being reported on CNN!:blowkiss:

thefragile7393
08-27-2009, 09:55 PM
Does anyone know if his 88 yr old mother still alive? She should be arrested too!

With all due respect, how do we know that she knew anything? She could have a lot of physical ailments, mental ailments...dementia, Alzheimers.....lets wait and see before we rush to judgement of EVERYONE. Remember, even the perp in Austria had a wife who was clueless. She may very well be a victim of him as well...it sounds like he was excellent in having control over people.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 09:55 PM
I was just re-reading the thread. LinasK, this is in no way a criticism, but think about this -- 18 years since she sat in that 5th grade. The 11 year old school classmates are long gone -- time has taken them away and they are now 29/30 years old. South Lake Tahoe was a sleepy combo small-town and resort in 1991. Some convention hotels were moving in. Now, the properties are listed on Southeby's. It is transitioning to the ultra-rich just like Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Her parents moved away from there. The life taken from her by kidnapping also moved on in time at warp speed and Jaycee didn't get to make that transition at a day by day pace -- it is being thrown at her in one huge time-speed reality.
Ummm, I have to disagree with your characterization of S. Tahoe as a whole. Yes, there are casinos there and there is also much wilderness and camping, motels,homes, rental properties,- any price range you want. In fact, I was just there 2 weeks ago. Tahoe is not only for the uber-rich, and it really hasn't changed much in the last 20 years, other than Caesar's Palace becoming the MontBleu and some development around the casino/Stateline area. I go there 1-2x/year. Even in Ski season-(Tahoe is a year-round resort), you can find ski condos and cabins for rent at a reasonable rate. I know this.
In fact, the town of Meyers, which is where I believe I read Jaycee was abducted from, is actually outside the Tahoe basin by probably a good 30 miles. Adnoid, can you help me out here?
One more thing, Southeby's is not just based in London, they are local to us now, so they can't be just for the rich, I have a friend who works out of their office.

White Rain
08-27-2009, 09:57 PM
Just found out this news after not having time for the internet in the past couple of days.
As happy as I am that this missing child was found alive my blood is absolutely BOILING at the news of this sick F*ck and his equally-if-not-worse wife....
I love to scroll the missing child sites...always hope I will be able to help at least one...I have read Jaycee's story MANY a time...
this poor girl...18 years of absolute HELL...and her poor parents...18 years of wondering if your child is being tortured, raped, beaten, or worse, dead...
I am SO p*ssed off...I wish they would let me alone in a room with this sick f*ck and his sicko ass wife.

Cypros
08-27-2009, 09:58 PM
I don't know where to click for the camera icon.

When you zoom onto the house from the top you will see little camera icons appear along the streets. Double click on the one that is right in front of Garrido's neighbor's driveway (1544 Walnut). It will swoop down to street level and enter a bubble which allows you to view the house fronts from the perspective of a car driving down the street. You can use the <hand> to rotate around and view all angles -- a panorama view. You will see a rusty old van in the driveway. There is a driver in the driver's seat but you cannot be sure of that until you double click on the next camera (1556 Walnut) and then rotate back around to look at the driveway. You will see that the van is now pulled forward to the front of the driveway. As you click through each successive camera going south down Walnut Street then turning right on Bown Lane, you can look back and see that van from Garrido's driveway following you. It seems that when Google Earth sent its camera can through this neighborhood, Garrido (or someone from that household) happened to pull out and follow the van for a couple of blocks. When you get to the corner of Bown and Viera you get the last glimpse and can clearly see a man's arm in the driver's window. There may be a passenger but there are a lot of shadows in the van.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Garrido acquaintance: "He seemed like a simple guy with a mental problem" (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090827/NEWS/90827001&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

"... A business owner in Antioch, Calif., said the girl who was abducted from her South Lake Tahoe home in 1991 worked for Phillip Garrido’s printing business and used to help him design his business cards....“She would come out and did the work,” he said. “She never mentioned what’s going on. Every time she comes she’s very well-dressed and she seemed to be very healthy and happy.”..."

Wow.

Mazama
08-27-2009, 10:00 PM
One neighbor seemed to think his mother was bed-ridden and living with them. Perhaps that is Patricia. If so, APS ought to be called out and get her moved to a nursing home...

His mother is Patricia L Garrido

Maz

Paulette
08-27-2009, 10:02 PM
Federal crime, Federal time. I hope he lives another 18 years.

White Rain
08-27-2009, 10:03 PM
I was hoping NG would cover this tonight.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 10:04 PM
His mother is Patricia L Garrido

Maz
Thanks! F.Y.I. for those that don't know, in CA, APS=Adult Protective Services. Adult version of what they have for children.

txsvicki
08-27-2009, 10:04 PM
I read that the pedophile abductor (he's not worthy of calling by a name) was taking the "two cute little girls" around with him. One was to a glass place who bought business cards because the male owner felt sorry for him! This guy was acting totally nutty and bizarre according to the owner, running around with cute little girls, yet he did nothing. Neighbors had to of seen the girls and did nothing. Parole officers did nothing. Relatives of these abductors did nothing. Police only pointed the finger at the stepfather who tried to tell what happened. Thank God for the campus officers, but they were probably only trying to protect the reputation and start of school for the university. At least someone finally did something. I don't think I can read about this anymore because it is very upsetting to wonder how many more women and children may be imprisoned out there with no one listening or paying any attention.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 10:08 PM
Details of Garrido's 1976 Reno rape, kidnapping arrest (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090827/NEWS/90827020&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

"...In 1977, Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison for kidnapping and from five years to life on a state charge of sexual assault...Garrido started his federal prison sentence on June 30, 1977 for transporting a victim over the state line and was turned over to Nevada authorities on Jan. 22, 1988 to serve state time...He was paroled from the Northern Nevada Corrections Center in Carson City on Aug. 26, 1988. From there, he was paroled to California..."

Let's see here:

6/30/77 to 1/22/88 is 10.6 years
1/23/88 to 8/26/88 is 0.6 years

So we have 11.2 actual years in prison for 55 years of prison time sentenced by the judges. And look at the results.

Nice.

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 10:11 PM
Garrido acquaintance: "He seemed like a simple guy with a mental problem" (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090827/NEWS/90827001&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

"... A business owner in Antioch, Calif., said the girl who was abducted from her South Lake Tahoe home in 1991 worked for Phillip Garrido’s printing business and used to help him design his business cards....“She would come out and did the work,” he said. “She never mentioned what’s going on. Every time she comes she’s very well-dressed and she seemed to be very healthy and happy.”..."

Wow.

Ok. I think this is a good thing. She WAS allowed out of the "compound" and did have interaction with other people. This and the fact that she so instantly connected with her mom are good things, IMO. There is hope for Jaycee. Don't know about her daughters, but they were out in the world with him with the officer at Berkeley spotted them, so maybe there is hope for them as well.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Ok. I think this is a good thing. She WAS allowed out of the "compound" and did have interaction with other people. This and the fact that she so instantly connected with her mom are good things, IMO. There is hope for Jaycee. Don't know about her daughters, but they were out in the world with him with the officer at Berkeley spotted them, so maybe there is hope for them as well.

I have to believe there is hope for all 3 of them, and with the wishes and prayers from all of us we WILL make their lives good again.

I won't have it any other way.

daisy7
08-27-2009, 10:21 PM
His blog is getting tons of comments http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/ too bad he'll never get the chance to read them.
I say kill him now, right now! No trial, not another day of tax payer money supporting or feeding him. Shoot the evil monster in the head and send him straight to hell.
Just do it already!

Poor Jaycee and her poor children I can't even imagine. My heart breaks for her parents that their precious granddaughters are the spon of this evil, evil, demon.

I sincerely hope the grandparents do not think of these children as being bred by an evil demon. Instead, I hope they welcome them with open arms and love.

Lorraining
08-27-2009, 10:21 PM
Details of Garrido's 1976 Reno rape, kidnapping arrest (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090827/NEWS/90827020&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

"...In 1977, Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison for kidnapping and from five years to life on a state charge of sexual assault...Garrido started his federal prison sentence on June 30, 1977 for transporting a victim over the state line and was turned over to Nevada authorities on Jan. 22, 1988 to serve state time...He was paroled from the Northern Nevada Corrections Center in Carson City on Aug. 26, 1988. From there, he was paroled to California..."

Let's see here:

6/30/77 to 1/22/88 is 10.6 years
1/23/88 to 8/26/88 is 0.6 years

So we have 11.2 actual years in prison for 55 years of prison time sentenced by the judges. And look at the results.

Nice.

Does anyone else think it strange that the first press conference today was given by the parole authorities? This is a travesty and it looks like a lot of CYA is going on.

cleo612
08-27-2009, 10:23 PM
That's some good reading there!

Adnoid, thank you.

Thank you for giving me the impetus to go read those comments.

Finally, the tears for this lovely young woman are rolling--the anger that I was feeling had reached a boiling point--I needed that release.

I did not leave my own comment on that board; instead I will put my trust in law enforcement and the justice system--most especially the justice system within the confines of whichever prison will soon be housing these two sick monsters.

The lives of these two sick monsters will be forever changed--they will now know what it is like to live in abject seclusion, tortured beyond belief, and at the mercy of those around them--just as they forever changed the life of young Jaycee.

They subjected Jaycee, and then her two daughters, to unfathomable depravity over the past 18 years. These young women will forever be affected by what they have endured.

With the love, comfort, security and help of their family, I can only pray that they will one day be able to look forward and know that the rest of world is not as monstrous as what they have been subjected to for all these years.

I pray that someone will step up--maybe many someones--to help this family in whatever manner is necessary. It is going to be an expensive endeavor to reintegrate these young women back into any semblance of normalcy. It is going to take years of therapy for them to understand and learn to cope with all that they have suffered.

I would hope that someone would make sure that Ms. Probyn would be given the wherewithal to never again have to go back to work so that she can remain focused on loving and caring for her long lost daughter and newly found granddaughters.

If I were anywhere in California, I would do my best to start a fundraiser for this family. Alas, I am on the wrong coast and not knowledgeable enough to know how to start something like that in California.

I so hope that if fundraising efforts are undertaken, that it is well (and nationally) publicized. I know that there are many people across our country, and probably around the world, who would love to make their own contributions to ensure the futures of this entire family.

God bless Jaycee, her two young daughters, Mr. and Ms. Probyn, and all the friends and family who are now almost certainly overwhelmed and joyous at this miraculous reunion.

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 10:23 PM
There has been so much info and speculation about this "man," but what about his wife FGS? SHE was the one who grabbed Jaycee and she obviously was the gatekeeper a good deal of the time over the last 18 years. She doesn't have any crazy ramblings on the Internet and where the H*LL is HER family? She is every bit as sick and guilty as her POS husband.

It's odd to me that, due to the wife's complicity, Jaycee and the children were not living in the house. It isn't as if he had to hide them from her; she knew everything! If Jaycee and the girls were allowed out and about, it stands to reason the monsters would have, somewhere along the way, become confident that they wouldn't run. I suppose it was because he was on parole and subject to random visits???

It sure sounds like Jaycee was, for all intents and purposes, brainwashed by these freaks. God only knows what she's going through now after they have spent the last 18 years of forcing her to be 100% dependent on them for everything.

Kimster
08-27-2009, 10:24 PM
Details of Garrido's 1976 Reno rape, kidnapping arrest (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090827/NEWS/90827020&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

"...In 1977, Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison for kidnapping and from five years to life on a state charge of sexual assault...Garrido started his federal prison sentence on June 30, 1977 for transporting a victim over the state line and was turned over to Nevada authorities on Jan. 22, 1988 to serve state time...He was paroled from the Northern Nevada Corrections Center in Carson City on Aug. 26, 1988. From there, he was paroled to California..."

Let's see here:

6/30/77 to 1/22/88 is 10.6 years
1/23/88 to 8/26/88 is 0.6 years

So we have 11.2 actual years in prison for 55 years of prison time sentenced by the judges. And look at the results.

Nice.

If I respond to this information in the manner it deserves, do you promise not to put me in a time out?

Sleuthster
08-27-2009, 10:26 PM
I really hope that they look into other disapearances of girls in the Antioch area.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/swartzgarcia.html

There have been quite a few that have disapeared under simular circumstances like Jaycee.

From Amber Swartz-Garcia's details of disapearance;

A day after Amber disappeared, a witness reported having seen someone matching her description at Alvarado Park sometime between 4:45 and 5:00 p.m. on June 3. The girl was being roughly handled by an adult white man and was thrown into a car by him at the park entrance. The witness described the girl's assailant was being about forty years old, 5'7, and 160 pounds. He was driving an older model four-door General Motors car, full-sized, and tan in color. Authorities have never been unable to identify the man and are not sure if the girl who was seen was in fact Amber.

Can we set up a time line on this guy? It would be interesting to see when he if he was out of the slammer and on the streets at the time Amber disapeared as well as the other girls listed.
Michaela Garecht (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/garecht.html), Ilene Misheloff (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/misheloff.html), Tara Cossey (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/cossey.html) and Amanda Campbell (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/acampbell.html).

adnoid
08-27-2009, 10:29 PM
...In fact, I was just there 2 weeks ago...

Hey, me too! Hope you didn't run into anyone suspicious looking.


...In fact, the town of Meyers, which is where I believe I read Jaycee was abducted from, is actually outside the Tahoe basin by probably a good 30 miles. Adnoid, can you help me out here?...

It's on the lake near Meeks Bay, in SR89, on the California side.

ETA: As someone who lives up here I'd say your description is right on. There's all kinds of people and areas up here, from mansions to trailer parks, and all of them are full of both wonderful and terrible people. Just like lots of places.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 10:35 PM
If I respond to this information in the manner it deserves, do you promise not to put me in a time out?

If I spoke my true feelings about these pathetic junk humans, these worthless bags of protoplasm that are stealing my oxygen, I would have to ban myself.

eleven
08-27-2009, 10:39 PM
so, is this the longest time a kidnap victim has been held and has then been found??? I know more of you have followed many more cases than i.


so far...:)

White Rain
08-27-2009, 10:40 PM
I'm just finding out about this story so forgive me if already mentioned...but Jaycee would have been SO young when she had her first child...I wonder who took care of the kids...not that it makes a difference, just a curiosity in my mind.

adnoid
08-27-2009, 10:42 PM
As close as any of us will ever get to hearing the voice of evil:

In a telephone interview with KCRA 3, Garrido claimed to have turned his life around. (http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html)

Telephone interview from jail. This SOB needs to get to room temperature ASAP.

daisy7
08-27-2009, 10:42 PM
ok...here we go. i want to punch him right now! he talks about how in the end, once the reporters can get the "documents" he gave to the feds they will understand what a "heartwarming story" this is....gggrrrr! i can't decide if he's nuts or just acting like it....

http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html

WTF?? Excuse me using the F instead of an H.

White Rain
08-27-2009, 10:42 PM
I was hoping NG would cover this tonight.

ETA: 41 mins into the show I just heard something about it on NG. Hopefully she'll do a whole show tomorrow.

arielilane
08-27-2009, 10:45 PM
Neighbors told The Bee today that they had called police about two years ago to report that there were tents on Garrido's property and children at the home. They knew Garrido was a sex offender required to register on the state's Megan's Law Web site. However, they said nothing ever came of the call.

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2143666.html

White Rain
08-27-2009, 10:48 PM
"Wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house," he said. "You are going to be completely impressed. It's a disgusting thing that took place with me at the beginning. But I turned my life completely around and to be able to understand that, you have to start there."
http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html

Ok what does the POS want? A pat on the back? A "father of the year" award? A nobel prize?
I can't remember any story (not Elizabeth Smart, Natasha Kampsuch (sp?) etc...that has ever made me this mad in a very long time. Not sure why this one is hitting so hard...maybe because I have a newborn, maybe because my girls (12 & 10) were so close to Jaycee's age when she went missing.

MORE FROM LINK:
"What's kept me busy the last several years is I've completely turned my life around," Garrido told KCRA 3. "And you're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, the victim -- you wait. If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backwards and in the end, you're going to find the most powerful heart-warming story."

Heart-warming? Is this POS for real? The only thing that is going to make me fall over backwards is if this POS doesn't get the death penalty, or better yet get killed in jail.

amien
08-27-2009, 10:49 PM
if I were Jaycee's parents, I'm not sure if I would rather find her alive 18 years later but having suffered unspeakable horrors, torture and with 2 children by the abductor, or find out that she was killed immediately. I know all parents hope that their child is alive, but I'm not sure that I would want to find out that my child had lived this way for 18 years. I don't know that this is something this girl and her children will ever be able to recover from.

I agree with you. Since she's been found, the media/general reaction has been that its miraculous, inspiring, providing hope to those who have missing children....but I worry that it might cause even more pain to those who are missing loved ones. Obviously the rape/murder of a child is horrific, but in a way, at least it's over quickly...this poor woman had to suffer abuse and torture of every kind, over and over again, for 18 years. I can't even begin to comprehend what it must be like for her parents now, to imagine their daughter being helpless all this time.

White Rain
08-27-2009, 10:49 PM
Neighbors told The Bee today that they had called police about two years ago to report that there were tents on Garrido's property and children at the home. They knew Garrido was a sex offender required to register on the state's Megan's Law Web site. However, they said nothing ever came of the call.


http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2143666.html


Just yet one more failure of our system at the detriment of poor little kids...:furious:

LinasK
08-27-2009, 10:51 PM
Neighbors told The Bee today that they had called police about two years ago to report that there were tents on Garrido's property and children at the home. They knew Garrido was a sex offender required to register on the state's Megan's Law Web site. However, they said nothing ever came of the call.

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2143666.html

:eek::eek::eek: Okay, who wants to boycott Antioch P.D. that's local?:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

CHICANA
08-27-2009, 10:53 PM
I've got that, PLUS a Colt Officer's .45 and my Browning A-5 automatic shotgun in my car parked in front of my office, along with about 100 rounds for each. I went shooting last night, and if I could get to those two I'd like to go again this evening. I've got pretty good aim, and I'd even swing by the house to pick up my AR-15 just in case they were a little further off.

But that would be wrong.

I don't think you'd have a problem finding an alibi.

arielilane
08-27-2009, 10:54 PM
As close as any of us will ever get to hearing the voice of evil:

In a telephone interview with KCRA 3, Garrido claimed to have turned his life around. (http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html)

Telephone interview from jail. This SOB needs to get to room temperature ASAP.
What a lunatic! I'm even more disgusted after listening to that quack.:furious:

cleo612
08-27-2009, 10:55 PM
I don't think you'd have a problem finding an alibi.


Heck, I'll give him an alibi and I am all the way on the East coast!

Emma Peel
08-27-2009, 10:56 PM
:furious:
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I can barely form a coherent sentence. :rage:

Just GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR .

(Okay, maybe I can "bearly" form a coherent sentence.)


I'll try to post again later when I've run out of expletivedeletives. :shutup:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRGRRRRRR. :steamed:

:furious:

cleo612
08-27-2009, 10:58 PM
What a lunatic! I'm even more disgusted after listening to that quack.:furious:

Yeah--did you hear that he said that those young girls had slept with him every night since they were newborns?

And that it was after the second one was born that he decided to change his life around?

The thoughts of what probably happened to those little girls only compounds the disgust, hatred, and outright ANGER that I feel for what he did to Jaycee.

noZme
08-27-2009, 10:58 PM
Facinating case! I was glued to the continuous coverage on News10.net all afternoon.

I offer prayers for the victims as the family reunites. The woman who has been located is far removed from the little girl who was snatched 18 years ago. Her children have now been uprooted from life as they knew it (tragic though it was). While we are looking on & saying "whew, it's over", a long process of assimilation is just beginning. Suggesstion: can we, shouldn't we, have a thread of encouragement for this family (to be printed & delivered at some point)... like we did for the young man who was held captive? Who can do that? I wouldn't know where to place the topic... jury room or here?

arielilane
08-27-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm for hanging them both... NOW!

Cypros
08-27-2009, 11:02 PM
When you zoom onto the house from the top you will see little camera icons appear along the streets. Double click on the one that is right in front of Garrido's neighbor's driveway (1544 Walnut). It will swoop down to street level and enter a bubble which allows you to view the house fronts from the perspective of a car driving down the street. You can use the <hand> to rotate around and view all angles -- a panorama view. You will see a rusty old van in the driveway. There is a driver in the driver's seat but you cannot be sure of that until you double click on the next camera (1556 Walnut) and then rotate back around to look at the driveway. You will see that the van is now pulled forward to the front of the driveway. As you click through each successive camera going south down Walnut Street then turning right on Bown Lane, you can look back and see that van from Garrido's driveway following you. It seems that when Google Earth sent its camera can through this neighborhood, Garrido (or someone from that household) happened to pull out and follow the van for a couple of blocks. When you get to the corner of Bown and Viera you get the last glimpse and can clearly see a man's arm in the driver's window. There may be a passenger but there are a lot of shadows in the van.

Sorry, Beyond Belief. I should add that you have to have the "Street View" layer checked in order to see all of this. :detective:

pferrin
08-27-2009, 11:02 PM
:furious:
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I can barely form a coherent sentence. :rage:

Just GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR .

(Okay, maybe I can "bearly" form a coherent sentence.)


I'll try to post again later when I've run out of expletivedeletives. :shutup:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRGRRRRRR. :steamed:

:furious:


Thanks for putting into words.

I am so furious:furious::furious::furious::furious::furiou s::furious:

arielilane
08-27-2009, 11:03 PM
What a lunatic! I'm even more disgusted after listening to that quack.:furious:


As close as any of us will ever get to hearing the voice of evil:

In a telephone interview with KCRA 3, Garrido claimed to have turned his life around. (http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html)

Telephone interview from jail. This SOB needs to get to room temperature ASAP.
Omg, why is he even being allowed to talk, let alone breathe?

thatswhatshesaid
08-27-2009, 11:05 PM
He sounds exactly like my mother-in-law who is a diagnosed Schizophrenic and Bi-Polar. (And is only in our lives on a very limited basis recently since she agreed to medication, and is staying on it). Especially his *zeal* and *enthusiasm*. (shudders)



What a lunatic! I'm even more disgusted after listening to that quack.:furious:

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 11:06 PM
You are correct, we do need to find out the facts, but she had to have wondered where they got this girl???
With all due respect, how do we know that she knew anything? She could have a lot of physical ailments, mental ailments...dementia, Alzheimers.....lets wait and see before we rush to judgement of EVERYONE. Remember, even the perp in Austria had a wife who was clueless. She may very well be a victim of him as well...it sounds like he was excellent in having control over people.

arielilane
08-27-2009, 11:06 PM
Yeah--did you hear that he said that those young girls had slept with him every night since they were newborns?

And that it was after the second one was born that he decided to change his life around?

The thoughts of what probably happened to those little girls only compounds the disgust, hatred, and outright ANGER that I feel for what he did to Jaycee.
I cringed at hearing that. I am livid as I'm sure you all are. I feel like we really let the victims and their families down. I can't help thinking LE screwed them.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:07 PM
While officials said that they were shocked by the secret compound, neighbors said they had known that Mr. Garrido had structures behind his house. But they had no idea anyone was living there.
“I knew he was always strange,” said Diane Doty, whose back fence was adjacent to the compound. “But I never saw the girl.”
Another neighbor, Heather McQuaid-Glace, said that children had long known to avoid Mr. Garrido — his registration as a sex offender was online and known among parents — but that nothing had aroused suspicion that a crime might be ongoing.
“We never heard screaming; we never heard anyone crying for help,” Ms. McQuaid-Glace said.
On Thursday, agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and other law enforcement agencies were combing the compound.
In one tent, a bouquet of yellow flowers was visible through a window. In front of another, a pair of children’s pink pajama bottoms had been removed and laid out by agents, near an evidence tag. Several ragged lawn chairs were laid about, as was a couch, a well-used barbecue, and several parched garden plants. On one shed, a heart-shape wall hanging was painted with the word “spring.”
Mr. Kollar said that the car believed to have been used in the kidnapping had also been found in the secret backyard area, which he said was strategically arranged “to isolate the victims” and not visible from the street.
Ms. Doty’s 9-year-old granddaughter, Megan, said that she had always found the area behind the fence “creepy,” but that she did not feel that way Thursday. “Finally,” Megan said, “I’m not scared anymore.” more at link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/us/28abduct.html?hp

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:10 PM
too much to requote...http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL

Julessleuther
08-27-2009, 11:13 PM
It is interesting that Tara Cossey is being aligned with the others; she was taken from San Pedro, which is in S. California, near Long Beach.


I really hope that they look into other disapearances of girls in the Antioch area.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/swartzgarcia.html

There have been quite a few that have disapeared under simular circumstances like Jaycee.

From Amber Swartz-Garcia's details of disapearance;

A day after Amber disappeared, a witness reported having seen someone matching her description at Alvarado Park sometime between 4:45 and 5:00 p.m. on June 3. The girl was being roughly handled by an adult white man and was thrown into a car by him at the park entrance. The witness described the girl's assailant was being about forty years old, 5'7, and 160 pounds. He was driving an older model four-door General Motors car, full-sized, and tan in color. Authorities have never been unable to identify the man and are not sure if the girl who was seen was in fact Amber.

Can we set up a time line on this guy? It would be interesting to see when he if he was out of the slammer and on the streets at the time Amber disapeared as well as the other girls listed.
Michaela Garecht (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/garecht.html), Ilene Misheloff (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/misheloff.html), Tara Cossey (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/cossey.html) and Amanda Campbell (http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/acampbell.html).

thatswhatshesaid
08-27-2009, 11:13 PM
Ms. Doty’s 9-year-old granddaughter, Megan, said that she had always found the area behind the fence “creepy,” but that she did not feel that way Thursday. “Finally,” Megan said, “I’m not scared anymore.” more at link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/us/28abduct.html?hp

Oh, wow! Out of the mouthes of babes.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:16 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iBbUgkRg4gaNB7YROg0ym3XaAc7wD9ABK1MG1

thatswhatshesaid
08-27-2009, 11:22 PM
Too bad when the neighbors weren't getting anywhere with local LE two years ago they didn't call some county board and go that route for all the unauthorized structures and tarps out back. Seriously, haven't we all heard about the family cited for having a fence six inches in the wrong direction? I wonder how long Google Earth has had that image? If it could have been used to spur an investigation. Just thinking "outloud" since we know there are more Jaycee's out there...and neighbors whose suspicions are horribly right.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:22 PM
Updated: Thursday, 27 Aug 2009, 8:47 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 27 Aug 2009, 8:38 PM CDT


By LILY FU

(MYFOX NATIONAL) - The world reacted with joy when news that Jaycee Lee Dugard, who had been kidnapped and held captive for 18 years, surfaced at a police station in Northern California. But many are wondering how Dugard is doing after fathering two of her captor's children and being held in isolation in a backyard shed for so long.
Those who have been through similar circumstances are offering words of advice to Dugard and her family. Elizabeth Smart, who was kidnapped from her bedroom in Salt Lake City, Utah, in 2002 at the age of 14, was found alive nine months later in a suburb near her home. She told CNN's Campbell Brown that Dugard should focus on reconnecting with her family and remembering the things that she used to like to do. read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/dpgo_jaycee_lee_dugard_healing_lwf_082709_3206704

arielilane
08-27-2009, 11:24 PM
too much to requote...http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL
Aguinaga said Garrido was suspected of bilking an elderly neighbor out of his life savings. A complaint was lodged on the man's behalf when he moved to Friendship Residential Care in Antioch, Aguinaga said.
The elder care home relayed allegations that from late 2007 to March 2008, Garrido swindled Dilbert "Jack" Medieros, now 79, of nearly $18,000. In the end, prosecutors cited insufficient evidence in declining to file charges this past April.
Garrido explained to police that Medieros had given him money to help start a church. He also told investigators that he had known Medieros for years and took him places such as the zoo.
"He said Jack never wanted him to pay him back," Aguinaga said. "He said he did not ask for the money. Jack gave it to him anyway."

He took advantage of older folks, as well.:mad:

Leila
08-27-2009, 11:26 PM
I'm just getting back here after watching the press conference. I was absolutely blown away by the details of Jaycee's captivity! I can't imagine how horrible it was for Jaycee, and later her two children. I'm somewhat familiar with that area and know people who live not too far away. It gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I'm sure those sheds weren't confortable for most of the year. I can't imagine a young girl (14 at the time) giving birth and caring for a newborn in those conditions. It's difficult to express how awful it was to hear those details........I wasn't expecting it.

I'm sure Jaycee's mother and family will do everything possible to help Jaycee and her two daughters, but it's going to take a lifetime to recover, if ever. With Jaycee's mother and step-father currently being separated, I hope they will come together for a common goal.......Jaycee and the two girls are going to need as much of a caring family life as is possible. One thing I'm glad to hear......Jaycee's mother lives more than 400 miles away from Antioch. It will be better to be far away from where she was held captive for so long.

As for the two perps..............I can't help but think a repeat offender will get the maximum. :furious:

But one thing really bothers me and it's been mentioned on this thread, and that's the absence of other children. With Jaycee's youngest being 11-years-old, I would think that without birth control a 29-year-old would have had more children in the past 11 years. Also, I have no doubt that at least one, if not both, of those two children have already been molested by the perp. :furious:

thefragile7393
08-27-2009, 11:27 PM
You are correct, we do need to find out the facts, but she had to have wondered where they got this girl???

If she even knew at all. Not all older people are sharp. For all we know, she could have been in a medication haze, etc. etc. Facts come first always....little is known right now about her.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:30 PM
If she even knew at all. Not all older people are sharp. For all we know, she could have been in a medication haze, etc. etc. Facts come first always....little is known right now about her.
Or he could have been terrorizing her into silence too...:eek:

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 11:33 PM
Too bad when the neighbors weren't getting anywhere with local LE two years ago they didn't call some county board and go that route for all the unauthorized structures and tarps out back. Seriously, haven't we all heard about the family cited for having a fence six inches in the wrong direction? I wonder how long Google Earth has had that image? If it could have been used to spur an investigation. Just thinking "outloud" since we know there are more Jaycee's out there...and neighbors whose suspicions are horribly right.

O.M.G. Looks like yet another case of ball dropping. Dammit!!! When will LE take serious, long-term notice of these evil freaks? THEY CANNOT BE FIXED! If you let them out, they will re-offend. Why, oh why, is that so difficult to grasp?

amien
08-27-2009, 11:34 PM
I'm glad Jaycee and the girls were allowed to interact with the outside world through his business. It's possible that they were permitted to go other places too, perhaps more frequently than we think. Let's hope.

Evidently he referred to the three of them as 'sisters', and one of the girls talked about her older 'sister' (Jaycee) to outsiders as well. It makes me wonder if the two girls really believed Jaycee was their sister. Perhaps Jaycee went along with this lie to protect her children. But did they think Nancy Garrido was their mother?

I am curious about why Garrido went to the parole officer with his wife, Jaycee and the two girls. Maybe he realized he couldn't hide anymore and decided to come clean? He was seen with the two girls, and (presumably) this was noted to his parole officer. Either way, once it was on the record that he was in the company of unidentified children, acting suspiciously, the game was over. He's crazy, but he had to know he couldn't continue to keep this a secret. And it doesn't seem that the Garridos or Jaycee were trying very hard to keep the truth under wraps...I suppose the three of them might have come up with a story, but it obviously broke down pretty quickly during interviews.


Steven Stayner went through a living hell for years and when he came home it was very difficult according to news reports but I am sure that his parents where elated to atleast share some moment with him before his fatal accident. He married and had a child and I am sure those memories will last a life time for his parents.

I just read about this story today, it's so sad. Steven eventually was killed in an accident, and his brother Cary was convicted of murdering four women. Talk about a family curse.

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:36 PM
I am so curious about why Garrido went to the parole officer with his wife, Jaycee and the two girls. Maybe he realized he couldn't hide anymore and decided to come clean? He was seen with two strange girls, and there no way he'd get away without further investigation. It doesn't seem that any of the people involved were trying very hard to keep the truth under wraps.


I think he was called in by his parole officer the day after he went on campus at U.C. Berkeley and they alerted the parole officer I think...

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:38 PM
Anyone who came across the couple's backyard, littered with garbage cans and a dishwasher, would assume that it ended at a six-foot fence.
"You could walk through the backyard and never know there was another set of living circumstances," said Fred Kollar, undersheriff of El Dorado County. "There was nothing that would cause you to question it. You can't see it from either adjoining property. It was presumably well arranged."


But tucked away beyond the tangle of bushes, high grass and trees was a blue tarp that concealed the only world Dugard had known since her abduction.
In it were sheds and tarps, a makeshift bathroom and shower, along with electricity supplied by an extension cord. Kollar compared the primitive conditions to camping.
Dugard lived for several years there by herself. The sheds were locked from the outside.
She grew up and had her captor's children there, and raised them there.
more at link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/27/california.kidnap.shed/

harleysnana
08-27-2009, 11:41 PM
As close as any of us will ever get to hearing the voice of evil:

In a telephone interview with KCRA 3, Garrido claimed to have turned his life around. (http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html)

Telephone interview from jail. This SOB needs to get to room temperature ASAP.

He slept with the two little girls in his arms everynight since their birth....
:sick:

LinasK
08-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Not just one thread, feel free to branch out into topics. I just created one on the backyard...

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 11:47 PM
He slept with the two little girls in his arms everynight since their birth....
:sick:

God only knows what they've been subjected to. He literally created more victims!

nobody2
08-27-2009, 11:50 PM
Hey Guys. I looked up the google maps as well, and GEEZ, yeah, that would raise some eyebrows in my neighborhood! I figured that some of you here would already be on that and of course you were.

So, the thing about the poor thing, 29 years old, saying "momma, will you come and get me?" That just BREAKS my heart. And poor her, and her kids, and her mom and sister!!! Do they automatically somehow get access to some kind of fund? Because they will all need counseling big time, and TIME, and MONEY, and resources of all kinds in order to make a life for these children and overcome what has happened to them over the last 18 years. Have any of the TV things talked about that? If I were that mom, I would want to quit my job and bring these kids home and spend every minute with them showering them with love and slowly introducing them to the rest of the world...

Fairy1
08-27-2009, 11:51 PM
1977 he kidnapped and raped a 26 yrold i believe in 1976. was given 50 years but was paroled not sure what year. Went back in for parole violation april 1993 and released august 1993.

Thank you, but I still don't get the Leavenworth connection. IIRC, his "sentence" such as it was, was served out in Nevada. How did he wind up in Kansas? I am thinking about how many missing girls there are between CA and KS.....

So, I gather the 26-year-old proved to be too old for his pervert inclinations, so he aimed for a child he could control. Where the H**l did he find the wife? God, I just want to vomit the more I hear.

SoCalSleuth
08-28-2009, 12:00 AM
You are correct, we do need to find out the facts, but she had to have wondered where they got this girl???

She is no innocent. We do have the facts. The wife is the spitting image of the sketch of the woman who physically grabbed her and forced her into the car at the bus stop.

Openmind
08-28-2009, 12:00 AM
"Wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house," he said. "You are going to be completely impressed. It's a disgusting thing that took place with me at the beginning. But I turned my life completely around and to be able to understand that, you have to start there."

http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html

This pervert sounds like Joseph Duncan. The whole -- but wait, it isn't how is looks and insisting everyone else has it wrong. He is God's special spokesman. Sick, sick, sick. The world is a twisted place. Why was this man even out of jail?

Fairy1
08-28-2009, 12:01 AM
Hey Guys. I looked up the google maps as well, and GEEZ, yeah, that would raise some eyebrows in my neighborhood! I figured that some of you here would already be on that and of course you were.

So, the thing about the poor thing, 29 years old, saying "momma, will you come and get me?" That just BREAKS my heart. And poor her, and her kids, and her mom and sister!!! Do they automatically somehow get access to some kind of fund? Because they will all need counseling big time, and TIME, and MONEY, and resources of all kinds in order to make a life for these children and overcome what has happened to them over the last 18 years. Have any of the TV things talked about that? If I were that mom, I would want to quit my job and bring these kids home and spend every minute with them showering them with love and slowly introducing them to the rest of the world...

Ya know, reading about this case all day, we've been exposed to the darkest side of evil. But.....most people are not evil and I truly believe good, caring people, who are willing and able to help this family will come forward in large numbers. If I had any clue as to how to help, I would step up in a heartbeat!

Fairy1
08-28-2009, 12:06 AM
http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html

This pervert sounds like Joseph Duncan. The whole -- but wait, it isn't how is looks and insisting everyone else has it wrong. He is God's special spokesman. Sick, sick, sick. The world is a twisted place. Why was this man even out of jail?

He wants everyone to think he's insane, but he went to great lengths to hide Jaycee and her children from the world. He knew what he was doing was wrong. In his phone interview, he says he wants to tell the reporter certain things, but he can't without an attorney. And he refers to Jaycee as "the victim." He's not crazy. He knows exactly what he's done and what he's doing now. F-ing freak.

Reannan
08-28-2009, 12:10 AM
100 years ago, this sicko would have been travelling in a wagon selling snake oil. He is a manipulative, self-serving, sly-as-a-fox, evil man!! That interview was fascinating. He has absolutely NO remorse for anyone, and no real concern for anyone on this planet but his own sorry azz. Here he is, caught to the point that he knows he can't deny it, so he is busy trying to spin it. I think Jaycee needs to hook up with Shawn Hornbeck and his family. They can probably offer some good advice about how to survive this. I was obsessed with Elizabeth Smart's story, and was elated when she was found, but 9 months of captivity does not equal 18 YEARS in a tent, raped, pregnant, terrified, and essentially left alone. There is something about this sick story that reminds me of the movie Slingblade. Jaycee, you and your beautiful daughters are in my prayers. If she were my daughter, I would welcome her and her daughters with open arms. All children are gifts from God - the REAL God - and not the one that spoke from a box to this jerk. Good grief!

thefragile7393
08-28-2009, 12:12 AM
She is no innocent. We do have the facts. The wife is the spitting image of the sketch of the woman who physically grabbed her and forced her into the car at the bus stop.

This post is referring about his mother that he was reportedly caring for, not his wife.

thatswhatshesaid
08-28-2009, 12:18 AM
Yeah, he's definitely drinking his own Kool-Aid. Heartwarming in most people's universe doesn't include a 14 yr. old rape victim giving birth in captivity. Turn-around would also presume a "person" letting his victim return to her family and turning himself in ten years ago, if this supposedly took place shortly after the second one was born.

And if he apologized to that reporter one more time in his "I'm SUCH a nice guy" voice l was going to punch my monitor.




He wants everyone to think he's insane, but he went to great lengths to hide Jaycee and her children from the world. He knew what he was doing was wrong. In his phone interview, he says he wants to tell the reporter certain things, but he can't without an attorney. And he refers to Jaycee as "the victim." He's not crazy. He knows exactly what he's done and what he's doing now. F-ing freak.

Openmind
08-28-2009, 12:19 AM
Hey Guys. I looked up the google maps as well, and GEEZ, yeah, that would raise some eyebrows in my neighborhood! I figured that some of you here would already be on that and of course you were.

So, the thing about the poor thing, 29 years old, saying "momma, will you come and get me?" That just BREAKS my heart. And poor her, and her kids, and her mom and sister!!! Do they automatically somehow get access to some kind of fund? Because they will all need counseling big time, and TIME, and MONEY, and resources of all kinds in order to make a life for these children and overcome what has happened to them over the last 18 years. Have any of the TV things talked about that? If I were that mom, I would want to quit my job and bring these kids home and spend every minute with them showering them with love and slowly introducing them to the rest of the world...


I think all states have a victim's assistance fund. This is a site for California's program.

http://www.lawyerforcrimevictim.com/compensation.php

I agree, if this was my daughter, I would want to dedicate myself to loving and caring for my child and those precious grandchildren, but coping with the facts will be difficult for them all. This man doesn't sound like he will surrender his parental rights to the girls. Not sure how that works but it is deeply disturbing.

anthrobones
08-28-2009, 12:23 AM
Did he and his wife have any children of their own?

Openmind
08-28-2009, 12:24 AM
He wants everyone to think he's insane, but he went to great lengths to hide Jaycee and her children from the world. He knew what he was doing was wrong. In his phone interview, he says he wants to tell the reporter certain things, but he can't without an attorney. And he refers to Jaycee as "the victim." He's not crazy. He knows exactly what he's done and what he's doing now. F-ing freak.

Absolutely agree. This "religious" awakening is exactly what Duncan is pulling in latest trial. Both -- f-king freaks.

joyce D
08-28-2009, 12:26 AM
what hard work this family has to do for these children ,who knows what they have been through

Traybone74
08-28-2009, 12:35 AM
Thoughts going thru my head...

Obviously a religious fanatic from the looks of his website.

Jaycee maybe not raped the whole 18 years, most predators have a preferred age. (not always of course)

Still questioning.. only 2 kids?

Did she give birth outside? Was she drugged by Garido? No one heard screaming so have to assume she was, or terrorized into keeping silent. Maybe she gave birth inside?

Probable that her children were abused as well. Wonder if the 15 yr old ever got pregnant? She is older than her mother was when she gave birth.

If Jaycee was out and about the town I'm sure the whole religious brainwashing thing is how she got there.

:behindbarCant stop thinking about this. Brain won't shut down. Time to try to read a book. Fiction.

Openmind
08-28-2009, 12:36 AM
Yeah, he's definitely drinking his own Kool-Aid. Heartwarming in most people's universe doesn't include a 14 yr. old rape victim giving birth in captivity. Turn-around would also presume a "person" letting his victim return to her family and turning himself in ten years ago, if this supposedly took place shortly after the second one was born.

And if he apologized to that reporter one more time in his "I'm SUCH a nice guy" voice l was going to punch my monitor.

Well, he didn't feel he needed to share with the world this "heartwarming" story until he knew he was about to get busted. This fairy tale of religious awakening is an attempt at a preemptive strike. Doesn't matter that it is pure garbage, but it will drag out any trial he has for years to come, because we sure as heck don't want to deny this man his "rights." In the end, whatever compensation Jaycee gets will be chump change compared to what the state will spend on this POS's defense. It is all so disgusting.

thatswhatshesaid
08-28-2009, 12:36 AM
According to this witness there were two small children living there two years ago.

<snip> “Erika Pratt, 25, who lived next door two years ago, said she was continuously “freaked out” by Garrido’s behavior, and that when she popped her head over the fence she saw his secret compound. She saw tents, sheds and pit bull dogs, and water hoses leading from her house next door to the compound.

“He told us to come on over and hear him talk about God, but he was really weird,” Pratt said. “He had little girls and women living in that back yard, and they all looked kind of the same. They never talked, and they kept to themselves.”

Pratt said people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about 4 years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA4N19EJ35.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0PRPTcnNK

thatswhatshesaid
08-28-2009, 12:38 AM
It is disgusting. As well as the fact that he and his wife/accomplace will be housed in better living conditions than Jaycee and her children. :furious:


Well, he didn't feel he needed to share with the world this "heartwarming" story until he knew he was about to get busted. This fairy tale of religious awakening is an attempt at a preemptive strike. Doesn't matter that it is pure garbage, but it will drag out any trial he has for years to come, because we sure as heck don't want to deny this man his "rights." In the end, whatever compensation Jaycee gets will be chump change compared to what the state will spend on this POS's defense. It is all so disgusting.

thefragile7393
08-28-2009, 12:43 AM
Did he and his wife have any children of their own?

Good question! None of the articles I've read or videos I've seen address this.

anthrobones
08-28-2009, 12:48 AM
I really don't understand how people can do this to children. Or really anyone for that matter. It makes me cry more than it makes me angry. :(

bogeygal
08-28-2009, 12:57 AM
As close as any of us will ever get to hearing the voice of evil:

In a telephone interview with KCRA 3, Garrido claimed to have turned his life around. (http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html)

Telephone interview from jail. This SOB needs to get to room temperature ASAP.

Just listened to his telephone interview. I feel sick. About midway thru, my thoughts were not only what a deranged individual this man is, but also that this was the voice poor Jaycee had to hear day upon day from her captor, from the age of 11.

Now that he's in jail for kidnapping and rape once again, I hope he never gets out.

SoCalSleuth
08-28-2009, 12:58 AM
This site is claiming that LE told them that Jaycee was a sex slave for both Garrido and his wife.

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-coldcase-sexslave0827,0,4714315.story

Fairy1
08-28-2009, 01:00 AM
100 years ago, this sicko would have been travelling in a wagon selling snake oil. He is a manipulative, self-serving, sly-as-a-fox, evil man!! That interview was fascinating. He has absolutely NO remorse for anyone, and no real concern for anyone on this planet but his own sorry azz. Here he is, caught to the point that he knows he can't deny it, so he is busy trying to spin it. I think Jaycee needs to hook up with Shawn Hornbeck and his family. They can probably offer some good advice about how to survive this. I was obsessed with Elizabeth Smart's story, and was elated when she was found, but 9 months of captivity does not equal 18 YEARS in a tent, raped, pregnant, terrified, and essentially left alone. There is something about this sick story that reminds me of the movie Slingblade. Jaycee, you and your beautiful daughters are in my prayers. If she were my daughter, I would welcome her and her daughters with open arms. All children are gifts from God - the REAL God - and not the one that spoke from a box to this jerk. Good grief!

ITA with everything you've said here. He is a complete and total narcissist - everything is all about him. Sadly, I do believe Jaycee will have to be "deprogammed." She has been totally dependent on this monster and his "wife" for 18 years. I don't know about the daughters. It seems they have basically been raised in captivity. No education or social encounters, and who knows what they've experienced at the hands of this freak?

Oh Lord, please help them be okay!!!

JoeFromLB
08-28-2009, 01:08 AM
I'm just getting back here after watching the press conference. I was absolutely blown away by the details of Jaycee's captivity! I can't imagine how horrible it was for Jaycee, and later her two children. I'm somewhat familiar with that area and know people who live not too far away. It gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I'm sure those sheds weren't confortable for most of the year. I can't imagine a young girl (14 at the time) giving birth and caring for a newborn in those conditions. It's difficult to express how awful it was to hear those details........I wasn't expecting it.

I'm sure Jaycee's mother and family will do everything possible to help Jaycee and her two daughters, but it's going to take a lifetime to recover, if ever. With Jaycee's mother and step-father currently being separated, I hope they will come together for a common goal.......Jaycee and the two girls are going to need as much of a caring family life as is possible. One thing I'm glad to hear......Jaycee's mother lives more than 400 miles away from Antioch. It will be better to be far away from where she was held captive for so long.

As for the two perps..............I can't help but think a repeat offender will get the maximum. :furious:

But one thing really bothers me and it's been mentioned on this thread, and that's the absence of other children. With Jaycee's youngest being 11-years-old, I would think that without birth control a 29-year-old would have had more children in the past 11 years. Also, I have no doubt that at least one, if not both, of those two children have already been molested by the perp. :furious:

What if there were one or more additional children who were boys??? Pure speculation here, really more like a terrible feeling, but I feel the authorities should strongly consider digging up that backyard.

MomofBoys
08-28-2009, 01:21 AM
But one thing really bothers me and it's been mentioned on this thread, and that's the absence of other children. With Jaycee's youngest being 11-years-old, I would think that without birth control a 29-year-old would have had more children in the past 11 years. Also, I have no doubt that at least one, if not both, of those two children have already been molested by the perp.

While I wouldn't be surprised that there were more births, it's very likely that Jaycee is now infertile. Two live births, but who knows how many miscarriages. No prenatal care. No postnatal care. Birth is very hard on a woman's body, and infection could have set in easily. God only knows what kind of scarring she could have throughout her reproductive system, not only from birth trauma and/or infection, but from being raped at an incredibly young age. Pieces of the placenta could have been left behind, widely scarring the walls of her uterus. Extensive uterine scarring could prevent an embryo from implanting.

I just keep thinking how absolutely terrifying this had to be for her. Most kids at that age have a hard time dealing with getting their period, and here she was subjected to labor and delivery without medical care. You bleed for weeks after birth. There is often tearing. I personally dislocated my tailbone (I had a ginormous baby, though) and couldn't sit in a car for a long time. I'd never trade my babies for anything, but picturing a little girl going through that---sickening.

Again, I'd in no way be surprised if they start unearthing infant remains. It makes all the sense in the world. However, her body underwent more trauma before the age of 14 than most mature women will ever experience during sex, pregnancy, and birth. I absolutely see no reason to think he didn't start raping her right away, and a 11 year-old isn't close to being physically (or emotionally, obviously) ready for a mature man and his repeated rapes.

joga
08-28-2009, 01:31 AM
According to this witness there were two small children living there two years ago.

<snip> “Erika Pratt, 25, who lived next door two years ago, said she was continuously “freaked out” by Garrido’s behavior, and that when she popped her head over the fence she saw his secret compound. She saw tents, sheds and pit bull dogs, and water hoses leading from her house next door to the compound.

“He told us to come on over and hear him talk about God, but he was really weird,” Pratt said. “He had little girls and women living in that back yard, and they all looked kind of the same. They never talked, and they kept to themselves.”

Pratt said people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about 4 years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA4N19EJ35.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0PRPTcnNK

bold by me. uh, i wonder who were the other girls, the four year olds?? scary...

txsvicki
08-28-2009, 01:36 AM
bold by me. uh, i wonder who were the other girls, the four year olds?? scary...


That what I am wondering. Where is the four year old, would be about six now according to the next door neighbor lady who tried to report the oddness, but cops did nothing. The article I read said that two years ago there was a 4 year old, 11 year old, 15 year old, and of course Jaycee. I really hope the 15 year old wasn't the mother of the 4 year old. All blondes and all looked alike according to the neighbor.

Also: I'd like to add that I'm livid to find out that this man lived in Nevada and committed the other kidnap and rapes in Nevada. All any good detective, LE or even private, would have to do was track all offenders down at various times over the years. The ex cons could have been watched and any children who suddenly popped up could have been identified as kidnapped, easily!

JoeFromLB
08-28-2009, 01:38 AM
bold by me. uh, i wonder who were the other girls, the four year olds?? scary...

I would like to know that, too! Could he and the wife have been perhaps part of a larger sex ring??

The police had better leave no stone unturned here.

Cher352
08-28-2009, 01:39 AM
bold by me. uh, i wonder who were the other girls, the four year olds?? scary...

Sorry late getting here...

Yes the 4 yr olds....very scary, surely LE is looking into this....?

Fairy1
08-28-2009, 01:46 AM
I'm thinking there will be much, much more to this tragic story. So many questions.....We shall see.

anthrobones
08-28-2009, 01:55 AM
I think the article said there were two girls about the age of 4.

anthrobones
08-28-2009, 01:58 AM
Brother says Garrido had troubled past.


Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer (dbulwa@sfchronicle.com)
Thursday, August 27, 2009



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSEwkcOr (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSEwkcOr)

JoeFromLB
08-28-2009, 01:59 AM
Why didn't the parole agents who dealt with him realize that he lived on a two acre property with three large backyards?? I was able to find this out in less than a minute with Google Maps. Apparently they performed a "complete" inspection in his house some time ago, merely looked out the back window, and saw the fence blocking the view of the other backyards. How come they don't have the basic information about the home their parolee lives in??

Is this what we pay our taxes for, an incompetent government? But I will have to give some credit to the agent who smoked him out at the meeting yesterday afternoon. The Berkeley campus cop who got the ball rolling on Tuesday deserves a lot of credit, also.

anthrobones
08-28-2009, 02:00 AM
Their mother still lives at the home but has suffered major dementia for about eight years, according to her son. On Thursday, she was at the Contra Costa Regional Medical Center in Martinez.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSFZeuU6 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSFZeuU6)


I guess that answers our questions about the mother.

JoeFromLB
08-28-2009, 02:11 AM
I can't believe the Contra Costa sheriffs came out to investigate the neighbor's complaint that he had little girls and young women living in that large backyard, KNOWING (or they should have) that he was a registered sex offender convicted of RAPE, and did NOTHING!!

This is totally unacceptable to me.

I also want to know who those two "four year olds" were. This case is just unbelievable. How many children did this man have contact with through the past two decades or more?

By the way, just a short walk to the west of his property is a large youth baseball complex. Many baseball fields. How many girls' softball teams use those fields??

Themis
08-28-2009, 02:14 AM
Yeah--did you hear that he said that those young girls had slept with him every night since they were newborns?

Snipped.
:eek::furious::eek::furious: I'm speechless!

Themis
08-28-2009, 02:16 AM
Brother says Garrido had troubled past.


Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer (dbulwa@sfchronicle.com)
Thursday, August 27, 2009



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSEwkcOr (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSEwkcOr)


I guarantee he's going to have a troubled future too! :mad:

Vegas Bride
08-28-2009, 02:18 AM
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSFZeuU6 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/MNHQ19EU4O.DTL#ixzz0PSFZeuU6)


I guess that answers our questions about the mother.

In this link it mentions he fathered 2 of Jacees children, making it sound like perhaps she did have other children but he is not the father of them? In that case then there are other men who victimized her also :(

VB

Themis
08-28-2009, 02:22 AM
Snipped. I don't know about the daughters. It seems they have basically been raised in captivity. No education or social encounters, and who knows what they've experienced at the hands of this freak?

Oh Lord, please help them be okay!!!
He told the media he slept with the two little girls every night since they were newborns! Oh God! That hurt just to type it.

joga
08-28-2009, 02:25 AM
I can't believe the Contra Costa sheriffs came out to investigate the neighbor's complaint that he had little girls and young women living in that large backyard, KNOWING (or they should have) that he was a registered sex offender convicted of RAPE, and did NOTHING!!

This is totally unacceptable to me.

I also want to know who those two "four year olds" were. This case is just unbelievable. How many children did this man have contact with through the past two decades or more?

By the way, just a short walk to the west of his property is a large youth baseball complex. Many baseball fields. How many girls' softball teams use those fields??

it seems like time after time with these kinds of complaints by citizens, people try to help and get blown off by police. like their concerns are so "out there" that they perform a cursory inquiry at best and then it's oh yeah, all is good. i know now how important it is to let the police do their job, but to be up their azz about it...

indicajane
08-28-2009, 02:52 AM
I'm so very, very glad they found Jaycee.

But I really don't know if I can read anymore about what happened to her..at least today.

I'm completely overwhelmed by the horror of it all. :(

Emma Peel
08-28-2009, 03:06 AM
She will never 'recover'...my prayers are she takes the survivor attitude and uses this to help herself while helping others. This is something you can never fully recover from, IMO, FWIW. But you can use it, if you take the right road.

Christine - that's a great approach. I'd not heard of "survivor attitude". But perhaps it's not out of the realm of possible outcomes for Jaycee.

It will be interesting to see if an abducted 11 year old can mature enough through 19 years of duress, and under such circumstances and still move into such a strong survivor attitude. Then again, look what she's already survived! This is no doubt a strong soul. Given Jaycee has raised two girls - under such hardship - and during her teens - I'm thinking that it's quite possible she already possesses what it takes to have such an amazing "survivor attitude". We can sure hope this happens for her!

Thanks for a glimmer of hope, from our lighting-the-way gal. Nice post.

Oh! Look Animal! I can type without cussing again!

:blowkiss:

Wise Old Owl
08-28-2009, 03:19 AM
I heard about this breakthrough early today. It was a busy day so I didn't have time to catch up / follow it until after 9 PM est tonight. Since then, I have read every post, watched every video, and clicked every link my family of sleuthers have provided.

Like most of you, I'm having much difficulty internalizing the enormity of it all.

I will pray for Jacyee, her children and family.

In my thoughts, I have one that keeps screaming at me. JUSTICE!!!

Our justice system is deeply rooted in "innocent until proven guilty". While that premise should be held with the utmost of integrity, with the technology of the 21st century, that innocence or guilt can oft times be determined in a matter of hours or days. Yet the wheels of justice continue to turn ever so slowly.

THIS MAN IS GUILTY!!! There is no dispute of that. He confessed, he brought Jacyee and her children with him to a police station. THAT'S IT - THE END. HE DID IT!! There is not one single person who would refute that fact (including the POS himself).

So why will it now take so long to convict this man and determine his "sentence"? Why should ANY money be spent feeding, housing, and clothing him?

I'm with you Adnoid - and NO you are not wrong. Take him (and his accomplice) out. NOW! Don't waste anymore of my tax dollars on either on of them. They don't belong in a cell, being fed and clothed for ONE MORE MINUTE!!

THEY ARE GUILTY. The crimes they committed are so horrendous and horrific that their lives should end. NOW! Not next month, next year, not after the trial. NOW! Irrefutable evidence exists BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT - GUILTY. Our justice system desperately needs an upgrade so as to catch up with our technology.

It would only take so many public hangings before the criminals realize what could be in store for them. I'm dreading the coming months - having to hear about these subhumans and their defense. In this economy we need to save every dollar we can. Why waste the first nickel on either of these two? I'll even offer the rope.

Sheromom
08-28-2009, 03:57 AM
I know there are so many awful things to focus on about this case. Horrible things happened to the poor Jaycee and her children. But for this one night, I think I will let myself soar with her mother, who is so happy and grateful to have her daughter back alive; and with beautiful grandchildren as well. What a miracle and I just pray that they will have the ongoing support given to them that they will need. THIS is a miracle!!!! In spite of all the evil involved, I feel very happy with this outcome!

Leila
08-28-2009, 04:39 AM
Hey Guys. I looked up the google maps as well, and GEEZ, yeah, that would raise some eyebrows in my neighborhood! I figured that some of you here would already be on that and of course you were.

So, the thing about the poor thing, 29 years old, saying "momma, will you come and get me?" That just BREAKS my heart. And poor her, and her kids, and her mom and sister!!! Do they automatically somehow get access to some kind of fund? Because they will all need counseling big time, and TIME, and MONEY, and resources of all kinds in order to make a life for these children and overcome what has happened to them over the last 18 years. Have any of the TV things talked about that? If I were that mom, I would want to quit my job and bring these kids home and spend every minute with them showering them with love and slowly introducing them to the rest of the world...

In California, whenever anyone commits a crime, part of the fine they have to pay when convicted is to a victim's fund. I would imagine this fund can be drawn upon for situations like this. This family is going to need all the help they can get and that help costs money. I would hope too that the community where Jaycee's mother, Terry, lives would have a fund raiser for the family.

Leila
08-28-2009, 04:57 AM
According to this witness there were two small children living there two years ago.

<snip> “Erika Pratt, 25, who lived next door two years ago, said she was continuously “freaked out” by Garrido’s behavior, and that when she popped her head over the fence she saw his secret compound. She saw tents, sheds and pit bull dogs, and water hoses leading from her house next door to the compound.

“He told us to come on over and hear him talk about God, but he was really weird,” Pratt said. “He had little girls and women living in that back yard, and they all looked kind of the same. They never talked, and they kept to themselves.”

Pratt said people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about 4 years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA4N19EJ35.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0PRPTcnNK

This is very concerning! Jaycee had the oldest (now 15) when she was about 14 years old, and the second child (now 11) when she was about 18 years old. Jaycee is 29 years old, and one would think that a normal woman her age, not using birth control, would have more children in the space of 11 years. This makes me wonder if the two young girls Pratt thought were about 4 years old were also Jaycee's children and what happened to them? :eek:

I have a bad feeling this case is going to be even more horrific than it already is.

Leila
08-28-2009, 05:04 AM
What if there were one or more additional children who were boys??? Pure speculation here, really more like a terrible feeling, but I feel the authorities should strongly consider digging up that backyard.

I think so too! I have a nagging feeling that this case is going to be even more horrific than it already is. :eek:

Patootie
08-28-2009, 07:16 AM
I'm so thankful to hear that Jaycee Dugard is now free from the 18 years of suffering, and hope she (and her 2 children) can go on to live some semblance of a normal life. Oh, what a road it will be!

I couldn't believe the aerial shot of his property and backyard. Absolutely horrid. I thought it was an interesting fact that was pointed out (and I tried it) about him following the Google people while they were doing Google Maps/Street View.

Someone asked if if the Garrido's ever had any kids of their own. Was anyone ever able to find an answer? Maybe it's also a possibility that his wife could not bare children of her own, and some sort of double-sided purpose was gained with Jaycee "providing" 2 in his and her twisted collective.

With her and the kids living in the yard, secluded and sheltered away from everything, it reminded me of the M. Night Shymalan movie 'The Village' (if you've seen it maybe you agree a little)

(Newbie here, by the way! )

JulieR
08-28-2009, 08:40 AM
Sadly this is going to be very hard for Jaycee and her children, because these people have been her life and she has a bond with them. When it comes to testifying against them it is going to be very difficult for her. I pray that the man who did this really did have a life changing experience when his daughter was born and he didn't touch these girls since.

jashrema
08-28-2009, 08:47 AM
Wow...just Wow...so unbelievable that Jaycee is ALIVE!

I hope to God the press does not drag her thru the mud like they did Shawn Devlin, and even Steven Staynor. I think both boys were treated unforgiveably with the constant "Why didn't you just leave" "They must have liked it"...even Oprah hounded poor Shawn into revealing he had been raped when his parents had just got done telling her that they would NOT talk about it. I haven't had any respect for Oprah since that time.

From reports Jaycee feels "guilty" that she bonded with these people. Of course she bonded..Stockholm Syndrome probably only takes a short amount of time with kidnapped children. I hope jaycee is just left alone to work thru this..and I hope the media treats her well!

On a side note, it is eerie the resemblance between the real kidnapper and Michelle michaud (who also looks exactly like composite) and was a suspect in jaycee's case.

God Bless Jaycee and her family...wow

Angel Who Cares
08-28-2009, 08:48 AM
:wave: Welcome To WS's Patootie!

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj98/tggp/welcome/002.gif

:angel:

MsRyber
08-28-2009, 09:04 AM
Wow...just Wow...so unbelievable that Jaycee is ALIVE!

I hope to God the press does not drag her thru the mud like they did Shawn Devlin, and even Steven Staynor.



It is actually Shawn Hornbeck. Devlin was his captor's last name and a name he was forced to use in his "deal with the Devil" so that Devlin would not kill him.

Angel Who Cares
08-28-2009, 09:14 AM
Live Right Now!!!

At 6 a.m.: Talk With Former FBI Agent on Jaycee Dugard Case
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181

:angel:

RainbowsAndGumdrops
08-28-2009, 09:27 AM
Sadly this is going to be very hard for Jaycee and her children, because these people have been her life and she has a bond with them. When it comes to testifying against them it is going to be very difficult for her. I pray that the man who did this really did have a life changing experience when his daughter was born and he didn't touch these girls since.

That is a nice story that he tells, but she had another child by him 4 years later.

VespaElf
08-28-2009, 09:28 AM
Been on a self -imposed W/S break but this bittersweet case has brought me back.
Let me ramble some things that have been in my head..........


Horrid thought I cant get out of my mind...They were reporting "multiple" pregnancies/births at first yes?
So far we only know about 2 living children..........Could it be this monster only "kept"the FEMALE children?? :( (God! Typing that makes me nauseous!!!)
I believe he wanted a "harem"of young girls who would eventually produce offspring for him to abuse (Im sure he will say ,like Koresh,God told him to do this!).

I REALLY hope his Co-Monster doesnt pull the "abuse excuse" as her defense ESPECIALLY seeing as he was back in jail AFTER abducting Jaycee leaving his Missus ALONE with Jaycee.


Agreed this family needs help which means they need money............are they any fundraisers or a donation account set up?
It may sound crass but maybe they can sell the rights to Jaycees story to say an entity like Dateline?Like the Smarts did?


And finally..............I have believed for a long time that very many (more than the "Experts" think) missing children are alive & being kept captive or are brainwashed so they cannot leave........they either physically cannot or mentally/emotionally cannot(they literally dont know how).In an odd way this gives me hope & proves to never give up but,like I said,its bittersweet isnt it? Jaycee is alive but shes nearly 30 with years of unimaginable abuse behind her & two children in tow.

kevmob77
08-28-2009, 10:18 AM
I will be very interested to see if the cases of Michaela Garecht (missing since 1988), Nikki Campbell (missing since 1991), and numerous other girls in the Northern Cali area are all looked at as possible victims, as well. Jaycee and these other girls all had a similar appearance. I don't believe he just abducted Jaycee. Maybe he kept the ones who gave him the least amount of problems.

I can only hope they leave this loser in the general population at San Quentin wearing a diaper.

Angel Who Cares
08-28-2009, 10:23 AM
In case anyone dosen't know Jaycee has her own sub-forum now along with a Media Links - *** NO DISCUSSIONS! ***, Show Videos and Show Transcripts - NO DISCUSSION!, Send a Message to Jaycee, The Backyard, How will Jaycee heal? etc.

Here is the link to the sub-forum for Jaycee:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=369


:angel:

Beyond Belief
08-28-2009, 10:38 AM
The reality now that is presented to us is how do we approach locating those missing who are being held captive in some remote place. I truly believe some type of public task force needs to formed to help local LE. Doing the kinds of things we do here. Researching. The police depts just don't have the manpower or funds to support themselves.
The circumstances surrounding these three young victims has sent me into a tailspin.

thefragile7393
08-28-2009, 10:49 AM
And finally..............I have believed for a long time that very many (more than the "Experts" think) missing children are alive & being kept captive or are brainwashed so they cannot leave........they either physically cannot or mentally/emotionally cannot(they literally dont know how).In an odd way this gives me hope & proves to never give up but,like I said,its bittersweet isnt it? Jaycee is alive but shes nearly 30 with years of unimaginable abuse behind her & two children in tow.
This is something I firmly believe.....while they may be in the minority of kidnapping/disappearence outcomes, I believe there are more out there in this type of situation then we may realize.

thefragile7393
08-28-2009, 10:53 AM
The reality now that is presented to us is how do we approach locating those missing who are being held captive in some remote place. I truly believe some type of public task force needs to formed to help local LE. Doing the kinds of things we do here. Researching. The police depts just don't have the manpower or funds to support themselves.
The circumstances surrounding these three young victims has sent me into a tailspin.
Volunteers even....extensively trained and cannot make arrests or do police duties but just doing a lot of the legwork...research, maps, etc.

thefragile7393
08-28-2009, 10:57 AM
I will be very interested to see if the cases of Michaela Garecht (missing since 1988), Nikki Campbell (missing since 1991), and numerous other girls in the Northern Cali area are all looked at as possible victims, as well. Jaycee and these other girls all had a similar appearance. I don't believe he just abducted Jaycee. Maybe he kept the ones who gave him the least amount of problems.

I can only hope they leave this loser in the general population at San Quentin wearing a diaper.

The one thing is that Michaela Garecht's kidnapper's sketch does not resemble the perp in this case at all. Obviously he'd have to be officially ruled out etc....but the others...I sure wonder too.

Kimster
08-28-2009, 10:59 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but has anyone mentioned Colleen Stan? She has written a book about a similar experience and I've seeh her interviewed on TV. I hope she will be able to speak with Jaycee...I think she would be very close to this horror and would understand Jaycee more than anyone.

On May 19, 1977, Cameron Hooker kidnapped 20 year old Colleen Stan as she was hitchhiking to a friend's birthday party. Colleen accepted the ride and felt safe since Hooker's wife, Janice, and their baby were in the car. Once alone in an isolated area, Hooker pulled off the highway and put a knife to Colleen's throat. Earlier, Cameron and Janice had reached an agreement that Janice could have a baby if Cameron could have a sex slave. She had her baby and now he had his sex slave. Colleen had been kidnapped for torture and humiliation while Janice reserved Cameron's love and kindness for herself. There was to be no sex with Colleen according to the agreement, but this was later to change.<snipped>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan

Steely Dan
08-28-2009, 11:00 AM
In California, whenever anyone commits a crime, part of the fine they have to pay when convicted is to a victim's fund. I would imagine this fund can be drawn upon for situations like this. This family is going to need all the help they can get and that help costs money. I would hope too that the community where Jaycee's mother, Terry, lives would have a fund raiser for the family.

I live 3,000 miles away and I would contribute what I could.


I'm so thankful to hear that Jaycee Dugard is now free from the 18 years of suffering, and hope she (and her 2 children) can go on to live some semblance of a normal life. Oh, what a road it will be!

I couldn't believe the aerial shot of his property and backyard. Absolutely horrid. I thought it was an interesting fact that was pointed out (and I tried it) about him following the Google people while they were doing Google Maps/Street View.

Someone asked if if the Garrido's ever had any kids of their own. Was anyone ever able to find an answer? Maybe it's also a possibility that his wife could not bare children of her own, and some sort of double-sided purpose was gained with Jaycee "providing" 2 in his and her twisted collective.

With her and the kids living in the yard, secluded and sheltered away from everything, it reminded me of the M. Night Shymalan movie 'The Village' (if you've seen it maybe you agree a little)

(Newbie here, by the way! )

:Welcome-12-june:

This woman has no education past the sixth grade, her children have never been educated and when her parents pass she's gonna be a wreck. I really, really hope she finds the best people to help her cope for the rest of her life.

raeann
08-28-2009, 11:14 AM
Thoughts going thru my head...

Obviously a religious fanatic from the looks of his website.

Jaycee maybe not raped the whole 18 years, most predators have a preferred age. (not always of course)

Still questioning.. only 2 kids?

Did she give birth outside? Was she drugged by Garido? No one heard screaming so have to assume she was, or terrorized into keeping silent. Maybe she gave birth inside?

Probable that her children were abused as well. Wonder if the 15 yr old ever got pregnant? She is older than her mother was when she gave birth.

If Jaycee was out and about the town I'm sure the whole religious brainwashing thing is how she got there.

:behindbarCant stop thinking about this. Brain won't shut down. Time to try to read a book. Fiction.

BBM
LE reports that at least one of the buildings was completely sound proofed and could only be locked from the outside.

jat
08-28-2009, 11:15 AM
According to this witness there were two small children living there two years ago.

<snip> “Erika Pratt, 25, who lived next door two years ago, said she was continuously “freaked out” by Garrido’s behavior, and that when she popped her head over the fence she saw his secret compound. She saw tents, sheds and pit bull dogs, and water hoses leading from her house next door to the compound.

“He told us to come on over and hear him talk about God, but he was really weird,” Pratt said. “He had little girls and women living in that back yard, and they all looked kind of the same. They never talked, and they kept to themselves.”

Pratt said people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about 4 years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA4N19EJ35.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0PRPTcnNK

Um...where are the 4 year old girls???

lilacwine
08-28-2009, 11:16 AM
She has survived worse than what is ahead of her.

I am confident that her family will do whatever it takes to help her put together the pieces of her life into the best possible semblance of order she can.

What else can we do but send positive hopeful energy to this young woman who is a survivor.

KT Can
08-28-2009, 11:21 AM
The reality now that is presented to us is how do we approach locating those missing who are being held captive in some remote place. I truly believe some type of public task force needs to formed to help local LE. Doing the kinds of things we do here. Researching. The police depts just don't have the manpower or funds to support themselves.
The circumstances surrounding these three young victims has sent me into a tailspin.

I totally agree with you Beyond Belief...I really think there are more missing children/adults out there that are alive than we think. We've heard about these enslavement types of cases for years and years, but only because those enslaved have gotten way or gotten a lucky break like Shawn Hornbeck. Jaycee didn't go to the police station herself to ask for help and would probably still be where she was if for not for another lucky break. How many of these children/adults are out there brainwashed, scared, shamed, resigned to their situation, not trying to escape, etc. and not getting that lucky break? Scary, scary thought.

I wish that everyone, everywhere would be a little less oblivious to the things going on around them and get out of the mindset of "it can't happen to me", "these kind of things happen to other people" and "this guy a just a little nutty". There are freaky freak freaks out there and freaky freak things going on everywhere. I wish everyone in the world could have a little bit more of that sleuthy, detective, true crime mentality like we WS'ers tend to. Had PG & NG been one of our "nutty" neighbors we would have had a thread on here dissecting the situation trying to figure out if something was more than a little off and how and if should we report it...and we would have, reported it that is, just in case and just on the suspicion of something possibly being not right. Oh how I wish one of us had lived next to that yard full of tents. Nutty neighbor + tents + little blonde girls + one look at PG & NG would have been enough to start one of our minds running wild.

KT Can
08-28-2009, 11:30 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but has anyone mentioned Colleen Stan? She has written a book about a similar experience and I've seeh her interviewed on TV. I hope she will be able to speak with Jaycee...I think she would be very close to this horror and would understand Jaycee more than anyone.

On May 19, 1977, Cameron Hooker kidnapped 20 year old Colleen Stan as she was hitchhiking to a friend's birthday party. Colleen accepted the ride and felt safe since Hooker's wife, Janice, and their baby were in the car. Once alone in an isolated area, Hooker pulled off the highway and put a knife to Colleen's throat. Earlier, Cameron and Janice had reached an agreement that Janice could have a baby if Cameron could have a sex slave. She had her baby and now he had his sex slave. Colleen had been kidnapped for torture and humiliation while Janice reserved Cameron's love and kindness for herself. There was to be no sex with Colleen according to the agreement, but this was later to change.<snipped>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan

I agree Kimster, Colleen Stan immediately came to my mind, more so than Elizabeth Smart.

Dani_md
08-28-2009, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know any background on the wife Nancy? She resembles a much older Tara Cossey who disappeared in 1979. I know that the wife has been reported as 54 or something and Cossey would be in her 40's but the eyes and chin got me!