Jaycee's Bio dad

[georgiagirl]

Has anything come out about her bio father? I am just curious..... I was wondering if her mom had been married to him at one time or was he ever around or is he still living?

[Beyond Belief]

Not that I have heard and I do think this subject should be left alone.

[MissOtk]

Has anything come out about her bio father? I am just curious..... I was wondering if her mom had been married to him at one time or was he ever around or is he still living?

I'm interested to know as well.

[CarrieBean]

I agree Beyond Belief. IIRC, Stepdad said in an interview that he was the only father she ever knew. If that's the case, then any info about bio-dad really doesn't matter.

[mayfairlight]

Not that I have heard and I do think this subject should be left alone.

I agree. Jaycees stepfather has cared enough too. Actually, he cared. I think he has more to say in all of this than any biological dad ever did!
For Jaycees sake, I hope there are only a few people there for her and her daughters...

[Beyond Belief]

After looking at all these pictures of the yard, all that stuff, this guy must have frequented thrift shops and garage sales.
These little ones don't even have birth certificates. So much has to be done for them.
But you know what, I think they are all going to be okay. Their mother is an awesome woman.

sorry off topic

[gitana1]

Has anything come out about her bio father? I am just curious..... I was wondering if her mom had been married to him at one time or was he ever around or is he still living?

Good question. I remember the kidnapping well and the stepfather's statements but I never remember anything about a bio-dad.

[Cordelia]

Somewhere I read that the bio-dad was ruled out as a suspect as he hadn't even known where she was living at the time of her abduction. So it sounds like he was entirely uninterested in her life.

[Tom'sGirl]

Detectives said they believe she was abducted by strangers and not by relatives or her natural father, Kenneth Slayton, who lives in Los Angeles and has not seen or contacted her since birth, Sheriff McDonald said.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Uf_tnVsBsoAJ:articles.latimes.com/1991-06-14/news/mn-721_1_garden-grove+Kenneth+Slayton+Los+Angeles&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[thatswhatshesaid]

I do understand the initial question, in the vein of finding out more about Jaycee's life pre-kidnapping. I didn't know anything about her before this case either, so I am glad to have filled in that blank as far as that goes.

Jaycee's step-dad is the only dad she has known. And I have a feeling once she learns he tried to rescue her and the guilt he's felt over these years they can BOTH help each other heal and he can still be a father figure in her life, and a grandfather to her girls. You're never too old to have a grandpa spoil you.

[Zuckerschnecke]

I don't know if this is the right thread, doesn't seem to be one that exactly matches. I saw somewhere that her mother lives in Riverside County. Don't know if this is the same person or not, but her name can be easily searched and it comes up with a picture from her work on their website. I'm not going to post it, but search Terry Probyn Riverside and you'll find it.

[phylliyum]

I do understand the initial question, in the vein of finding out more about Jaycee's life pre-kidnapping. I didn't know anything about her before this case either, so I am glad to have filled in that blank as far as that goes.

Jaycee's step-dad is the only dad she has known. And I have a feeling once she learns he tried to rescue her and the guilt he's felt over these years they can BOTH help each other heal and he can still be a father figure in her life, and a grandfather to her girls. You're never too old to have a grandpa spoil you.

I think Carl is an exceptional human being, and his daughter Jaycee is one hell of a person. The strength she has shown over the past 18 years....she must have learned from her parents.

[Pink Panther]

I think Carl is an exceptional human being, and his daughter Jaycee is one hell of a person. The strength she has shown over the past 18 years....she must have learned from her parents.
Uh. Just curious. Do you know Carl?

[Mazama]

Jaycee's biological father has given at least one interview. He is appalled at what happened to her and had nothing but nice things to say about her mother Terry.

He is married with three children of his own.


Meanwhile, Kenneth Slayton Jr., 41, was stunned to learn Jaycee was his half sister. "I had no idea I even had a half sister until my full sister called and told me the other night," Slayton Jr. told the Daily News.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/09/03/2009-09-03_want_to_kill_phil_says_jaycee_lee_dugards_fathe r.html#i (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/09/03/2009-09-03_want_to_kill_phil_says_jaycee_lee_dugards_fathe r.html#ixzz0Q3NnWiI8)
xzz0Q3NnWiI8 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/09/03/2009-09-03_want_to_kill_phil_says_jaycee_lee_dugards_fathe r.html#ixzz0Q3NnWiI8)

Maz

[phylliyum]

Uh. Just curious. Do you know Carl?

oops. typo on my part. I meant to say he "seems like" and exceptional human being.

although, somewhere in this massive chaos of boxes, i have a letter Jaycee's family (i believe it was her dad) wrote to me in response to a letter I wrote them in 1994/95..

[nobody2]

I just noticed through the articles with Jaycee's Aunt Tina Dugard that Jaycee has her mother's maiden name. If the biological dad had a family and got Jaycee's mom pregnant, as it sounds, that is certainly a reason that he stayed out of Jaycee's life and never met her. I wonder if Jaycee's stepdad ever wanted to adopt her to give her his name - however I know lots of people don't worry about that formality and just consider family family, no matter the name. I wonder if Carl Probyn has gotten to see Jaycee yet and if he will be able to mend fences with his inlaws who suspected him. I hope so.

I also want to add, (especially after reading Mazama's post below mine here) that maybe, the reason Terry kept Jaycee's last name Dugard, is that she is HER girl, Terry's girl, that Terry no doubt went through a LOT in her decision to have and raise Jaycee as a single mom and apparently was close to her family therefore it would make the most sense to keep Jaycee's last name as Dugard. Carl said Terry and Jaycee were "attached at the hip" and "like twins" and I imagine it had to be so! And that bond with them is stronger than anything. I can not even begin to imagine the pain that Terry has been through. This would be like having your heart torn out, losing half of yourself. It is just brutal. The story about Terry french braiding Jaycee's hair touches me so much. Beautiful.

[Mazama]

In the wake of his daughter’s ordeal, Kenneth had been keeping a low profile. But he poured out his rage after we tracked him down at his home in a remote rural area of Los Angeles.
Bare-chested and wearing shorts as he worked on a truck in sweltering heat, mechanic Kenneth said: “I am Jaycee’s father.


“All you need to do is look at me to know that. I could show you pictures of me when I was her age – we were dead ringers.”
He has the same colour hair, bright blue eyes and broad smile as the girl whose plight has horrified the world.
He confessed Jaycee was the result of a brief romance with her mother Terry Probyn while he was going through a divorce. Her husband Carl became the youngster’s stepfather.
Dad of three Kenneth, now re-married, said: “We had a fling for about two weeks. Terry was a sweet gal.
“That poor woman has been through so much. She was a really nice lady. No one deserves this. What sort of sick animal must Garrido be?
I hope he rots in jail.”



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/03/jaycee-lee-dugard-s-dad-vows-i-ll-kill-sick-animal-who-took-my-jaycee-115875-21643636/


Maz

[LinasK]

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz0Q4TlfKko (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/09/03/2009-09-03_want_to_kill_phil_says_jaycee_lee_dugards_fathe r.html#ixzz0Q4TlfKko)
The biological father of kidnap victim Jaycee Lee Dugard said he wants to kill the sicko who held her captive for 18 years.

"I'd love to get my hands on [Phillip] Garrido and kill him," Kenneth Slayton, 64, told the Daily Mirror of London.

He and Terry Probyn split while she was pregnant with Jaycee, and he has never met his daughter.

Garrido and his wife, Nancy, kidnapped then-11-year-old Jaycee from a South Lake Tahoe, Calif., bus stop in 1991 and kept her captive in a hovel behind their Antioch, Calif., house, police said.

Garrido repeatedly raped Jaycee, fathering two daughters with her.

Defense lawyer Gilbert Maines said Nancy Garrido insists she was a victim, too - so afraid of her husband that she made sure Jaycee didn't escape during the five months he was in jail for a parole violation in 1993.

"He doesn't have to be there physically," Maines told ABC's "Good Morning America."

Meanwhile, Kenneth Slayton Jr., 41, was stunned to learn Jaycee was his half sister. "I had no idea I even had a half sister until my full sister called and told me the other night," Slayton Jr. told the Daily News.

[Leila]

California birth records show Terry's maiden name as Dugard. Terry was only 21 when she gave birth to Jaycee. I have no doubt that she is a strong person, taking on the responsibility of being a single mother at a young age.

[Californian]

Not that I have heard and I do think this subject should be left alone.

Now we're hearing about him, and in my thinking it's TMI.

The bio dad helped create Jaycee, but that was the extent of his contribution to her life. He was not by Terry's side during her pregnancy or when Jaycee was born or an infant.

At the time, Terry was Terry Dugard, so it's no surprise that Jaycee shares her maiden name. Terry was 100% a single parent, in fact, she represents the very definition of single parent (it's an overused term as far as I'm concerned. Divorced parents who share custody are not "single parents.")

Terry eventually met and married Carl, who accepted Jaycee as his own daughter.

The bio dad stayed out of the picture these last 29 years. It's great to know he wishes ill will against the monster as do so many people, but it seems that him and his family are just observers to all of this as the rest of us are.

[aksleuth]

Instinctly, from the beginning, I knew Dugard was Terry's maiden name. I'm not at all surprised to find out it's true. I mean, if the sperm donor had been around, we would have heard from him in the beginning, like we heard from Mr. Probyn, her stepfather.

Looks like sperm donor was just interested in his own thing all those years ago, typical of that type of situation.

Agree with you, a single parent is a "parent who raises a child with no help from the other parent". Shared custody implies just that, shared.

[arielilane]

However, if Jaycee wishes to begin a relationship with her bio-dad, I am for it. Anything that will help her and her daughters to heal. She has other siblings as well. I do think the step-dad Carl has earned the title Hero Dad!

[Mazama]

In all fairness to Jaycee's biological father we don't know what the relationship between him and Terry was like. It could have been a mutual agreement that she raise Jaycee alone. To assume he wanted nothing to do with her (Jaycee) is unfair. Terry might have asked him to stay away, we just don't know the facts.

He's said nothing about Terry except kind things. Calling him a sperm donor is unfair.

We do not know whether he paid child support for her so to make such remarks and accusations IMHO is unwarranted.

:cow:

Maz

[LinasK]

Contra Costa Times

Posted: 09/08/2009 08:36:14 AM PDT
Updated: 09/08/2009 10:21:23 AM PDT
FROM STAFF REPORTS — CBS' "Inside Edition" plans to air an interview with Jaycee Dugard's biological father, Kenneth Slayton, on its show tonight.
According to a press release from the show, Slayton has harsh words for his daughter's accused kidnappers, Phillip and Nancy Garrido.
more at link: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_13290973?nclick_check=1

[i.b.nora]

Inside Edition. Tabloid TV.

[Salsa]

It wasn't that great and I question why he's suddenly coming around now....

[LillyRush]

Well, this explains a lot. Thanks, Mazama. Although, I am a little skeptical whether all of these details are true because I think the Daily Mirror is a UK tabloid. But, I could be wrong about that.

In the wake of his daughter’s ordeal, Kenneth had been keeping a low profile. But he poured out his rage after we tracked him down at his home in a remote rural area of Los Angeles.
Bare-chested and wearing shorts as he worked on a truck in sweltering heat, mechanic Kenneth said: “I am Jaycee’s father.


“All you need to do is look at me to know that. I could show you pictures of me when I was her age – we were dead ringers.”
He has the same colour hair, bright blue eyes and broad smile as the girl whose plight has horrified the world.
He confessed Jaycee was the result of a brief romance with her mother Terry Probyn while he was going through a divorce. Her husband Carl became the youngster’s stepfather.
Dad of three Kenneth, now re-married, said: “We had a fling for about two weeks. Terry was a sweet gal.
“That poor woman has been through so much. She was a really nice lady. No one deserves this. What sort of sick animal must Garrido be?
I hope he rots in jail.”



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/03/jaycee-lee-dugard-s-dad-vows-i-ll-kill-sick-animal-who-took-my-jaycee-115875-21643636/


Maz

[LillyRush]

However, if Jaycee wishes to begin a relationship with her bio-dad, I am for it. Anything that will help her and her daughters to heal. She has other siblings as well. I do think the step-dad Carl has earned the title Hero Dad!

I agree. We don't know that Jaycee and her father would not have reconnected over the years because Garrido took 18 yrs of her life away from her. I am not saying that is an excuse at all for her bio dad not being in her life the first 11 years. But, I do think that maybe these circumstances could serve as a second chance - if you will - for her to get to know her father and that side of her family. That is of course only if both of them end up truly wanting to reconnect.

[delaney]

Globe 9/21

"ll Kill Jaycee's Kidnapper!"

Picture of Jaycee' Dad

by Mark Coleman

Kenneth Slayton swears he will kill Garrido if he ever lays eyes on him!

I won't actually kill him, I'll hang him from the flag pole, says Slayton,
a Vietnam Vet, who is a truck driver and mechanic living in rural Calif.

He claims he had a two week fling with Jaycee's mother, while in the middle
of a divorce. When Jaycee's mom called him two weeks later, he had
meet his current wife, by then. He has 2 sons in their 40's. and a son
by his current wife.

snip

Picture: older man, very tall, very almost reddish blonde hair, even at
his age (maybe 60ish).


www.globemagazine.com

no story on line

[ihavearrived]

The sad thing is, is that if Ken did ever see that man he probly would kill him.

Just let me clear this up for you. He has two DAUGHTERS with his current wife, Brittney and Sarah. The other son you call "snip" is incorrect. They call him Chip.

He is a good man and who cares if he had a fling when he was younger and going through a divorce! Who doesn't do that?
Have you ever thought he might want to reunite with his daughter who he has never met and who he thought was dead all these years because he is shocked and relieved that she is alive and unharmed (for the most part)?
You ppl should seriously try and think or learn some true facts? Everything you hear and read are not true.
Also there has been things said about how he is just now coming out and wanting to meet her.... Obviously! He thought she was frickin dead! It's not because of the cameras! It's not like she is some famous celebrity, she is a girl who was abducted and found the media will get bored with the story shortly so that is not a reason.

[joga]

careful with the attacks ihavearrived, they get you in trouble here. (trust me :)) the problem some people have here is that some have no respect for a man who had 11 years to meet his daughter and chose not to. that's really inexcusable in some books. i have no doubt he is feeling pain and i do feel for him, even if he's never met her. he's got to be in complete shock. my belief is he shouldn't have talked to the media, if he wanted to meet her, he should have gone to LE to see if she was interested in that in the future. maybe them meeting would be a good thing, but i just feel like you should also understand where some of the people here are coming from. i take it you know the father, are you a relative?

[LinasK]

careful with the attacks ihavearrived, they get you in trouble here. (trust me :)) the problem people have here is that some have no respect for a man who had 11 years to meet his daughter and chose not to. that's really inexcusable in some books. i have no doubt he is feeling pain and i do feel for him, even if he's never met her. he's got to be in complete shock. my belief is he shouldn't have talked to the media, if he wanted to meet her, he should have gone to LE to see if she was interested in that in the future. maybe them meeting would be a good thing, but i just feel like you should also understand where some of the people here are coming from. i take it you know the father, are you a relative?
I read in an article that he and Terry split when she was pregnant. Didn't say how far along. Perhaps he never knew Terry was pregnant? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt...

[ihavearrived]

The first time Ken did not know that he was being recored. It is kind of hard not to talk to them when they are posted up in front of your house asking for you to talk to them.
I am not a relative but I grew in and around that house hold. I just think people don't need to talk about what they don't know, I wasn't attacking.

[RJA00]

I believe this happens a lot
my sister married young and was separted before your daughter was born
hubby had not grown up yet, well, she remarried and the step father raised the child has his own, my sister didnt want to worry with vistation rights so she let him walk away

years later my niece did reconnect with her bio dad, but step dad will always be her daddy, and he knows that,

phillp took that right away from jaycee

[mysteriew]

This is one of those things tha will be up to Jaycee. Whether or not she reconnects with her bio dad will be up to her. Yeah, I don't have much respect for him. But ultimately his involvment or noninvolvment is a pretty small part of the picture.

But she also has 3 sibliings in the picture. They may be half, but they are still sibs. They are the aunts and uncles of her children. But now, finally the choices are hers to make. Just think, for years she didn't have the choice but now she does.

[Stephens]

From what I remember from reading two of his press interviews, Jaycee's father himself said that Terry Probyn, the mother, called him to tell him she was pregnant and he was the father. He played no role--at all--in Jaycee's life after that. And since he's now saying "I think" she's my daughter it seems all but certain he never paid child support. If he had, he would have been certain she was his.

He just comes across, by his actions, like a total slimeball. Now, he's all of a sudden her father, when there's money on the line? Jesus.

[Pink Panther]

I'm not so cynical about this issue as many others appear to be. I'm not sure what the circumstances were when JC was conceived but it is quite possible that JC's father was married or in difficulty of some sort and that her mother appropriately advised him of her situation but perhaps prefered him not to play a role in her life and didn't seek child support. Not so strange imo. Not so awful. Perhaps, given the circumstances, it was the best scenario and they both agreed to the terms.

MOO

[Natal]

Well, we don't know the circumstances leading to Jaycee's birth, the father not being involved may well have been the mothers decision. In any event, irrespective of what Dad did or didn't do, the siblings can't possibly be held at fault here. The daughters would have been very young children at the time of Jaycee's kidnapping, and they couldn't have comprehended what was going on (they likely didnt even know she existed at that point). They have as much right as anyone else in the family to meet and get to know her now that she is back from the dead, so to speak. Obviously it is Jaycee's decision in the end to do what she wants to do, she is a 29 year old adult now, but I would hope that she would eventually meet them. They are blood after all.

[wildTrose]

Wonder what he is after? visitation? custody? why wait 29 years to have anything to do with your kid?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-gloria-allred-reps-jaycee-lee-dugards-dad-0

[MBK]

Wonder what he is after? visitation? custody? why wait 29 years to have anything to do with your kid?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-gloria-allred-reps-jaycee-lee-dugards-dad-0

As Jaycee is 29, custody or visitation wouldn't be up to a court. She is an adult.

Hopefully, her biological father (father in name only) won't try for some sort of visitation rights to Jaycee's children as their grandfather. IMO, that's parently ridiculous.

The poor girl. She has enough to deal with, and if he cared one whit for her or bore any love for her, he'd shut up, tend to his own family, and let JAYCEE decide who she lets into her life.

[Natal]

Jaycee's a grown woman, she can do what she wants. And if she doesn't want to see him then too bad for him.

[LinasK]

If I were in Jaycee's shoes, I think I'd be happy to have additional real family like her step- dad, bio dad, and half siblings after being robbed of them for so many years and having to put up with the Garrido's as "family".:sick::sick::sick:

[Natal]

She might be, on the other hand she might not. In the end, it's her choice, not his.

[kbl8201]

i really dont jaycee's 'father' has any claim to either her or her daugters. the man never bothered to see her in the 11 years before she was kidnapped.....and now she's an adult. she doesnt have to see him if she doesnt want to. steve is her real dad, and she knows that.
also sounds like he's hiring a lawyer to make a book deal or something. to me anytime he opens his mouth it sounds like a cash register dinging.......:banghead:

[Noway]

Not everyone gets a second chance ... I hope JC's bio dad takes advantage of his and makes contact with her. I'm not expecting a father/daughter relationship, but I think they can form a relationship (friendship).

IMO the more friendships JC has, the better off she and her daughters will be.

[kbl8201]

i agree the more friendships she has the better.
but is he looking out for her best intrests or his own?

[songline]

I read in an article that he and Terry split when she was pregnant. Didn't say how far along. Perhaps he never knew Terry was pregnant? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt...
I read some where that they had an affair while they met on vacation. that he did like JC's mom, and that shortly after he met her, he married someone else. Seems that there was a geographical barrier.
She did let him know, when she found out that she is preg. They did not stay in touch. He was already in a relationship with current wife.
He did know about JC's abduction and was very upset from the start.

So.....That is life, we can't put anything unkind on this guy. He did nothing wrong.
I do not like any of the accusations from some who have that camera made him come out mentality.

[songline]

i really dont jaycee's 'father' has any claim to either her or her daugters. the man never bothered to see her in the 11 years before she was kidnapped.....and now she's an adult. she doesnt have to see him if she doesnt want to. steve is her real dad, and she knows that.
also sounds like he's hiring a lawyer to make a book deal or something. to me anytime he opens his mouth it sounds like a cash register dinging.......:banghead:

Let the cash register ding :dance:
They need a lawyer to do things in the best way possible. in the girls interest.
These girls will need a lot of therapy, and the cost of living is not easy.
I hope they can heal without any money worries. :woohoo:

[kbl8201]

I read some where that they had an affair while they met on vacation. that he did like JC's mom, and that shortly after he met her, he married someone else. Seems that there was a geographical barrier.
She did let him know, when she found out that she is preg. They did not stay in touch. He was already in a relationship with current wife.
He did know about JC's abduction and was very upset from the start.

So.....That is life, we can't put anything unkind on this guy. He did nothing wrong.
I do not like any of the accusations from some who have that camera made him come out mentality.

isnt it a fair accusation? counting the time he found out terry was pregnent, he has zero involvemnt in jaycee's ife for 3 decades now (1979-2009).

[songline]

i agree the more friendships she has the better.
but is he looking out for her best interests or his own?
How is he going to benefit? :confused:[
He already got his reward just by them coming home.
He is looking out for the girls and their mom.

It may be not so good to mistrust everyone.
HE SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD GUY.

[songline]

isnt it a fair accusation? counting the time he found out terry was pregnent, he has zero involvemnt in jaycee's ife for 3 decades now (1979-2009).

No it is not a fair accusation at all. First of all only one dacade that he could have found her.
While he may have had no contact with her in 11 years.
There is no saying that would not have come about at some point.
We do not know if his current wife was the very jealous type, we know nothing.
If his reaction is that he would want to kill that SOB who hurt her.
He must have felt very deep pain about what happened to his daughter.
Could he have made different choices early on...
I am sure he could have, but it does not make him a bad man.

We all could have made other choices in our lives, and it wont mean that we are bad.

[kbl8201]

No it is not a fair accusation at all. First of all only one dacade that he could have found her.
While he may have had no contact with her in 11 years.
There is no saying that would not have come about at some point.
We do not know if his current wife was the very jealous type, we know nothing.
If his reaction is that he would want to kill that SOB who hurt her.
He must have felt very deep pain about what happened to his daughter.
Could he have made different choices early on...
I am sure he could have, but it does not make him a bad man.

We all could have made other choices in our lives, and it wont mean that we are bad.
you might be right.
but i believe her step dad more when he says he'd kill garrido or make him suffer........he's saying that cause he really was jaycee's dad......he raised her. i think the bio dad is saying it more out of guilt then anything. but then i guess if he feels guilt over his absence he cant be all bad right?

[songline]

The sad thing is, is that if Ken did ever see that man he probly would kill him.

Just let me clear this up for you. He has two DAUGHTERS with his current wife, Brittney and Sarah. The other son you call "snip" is incorrect. They call him Chip.

He is a good man and who cares if he had a fling when he was younger and going through a divorce! Who doesn't do that?
Have you ever thought he might want to reunite with his daughter who he has never met and who he thought was dead all these years because he is shocked and relieved that she is alive and unharmed (for the most part)?
You ppl should seriously try and think or learn some true facts? Everything you hear and read are not true.
Also there has been things said about how he is just now coming out and wanting to meet her.... Obviously! He thought she was frickin dead! It's not because of the cameras! It's not like she is some famous celebrity, she is a girl who was abducted and found the media will get bored with the story shortly so that is not a reason.
Thank you for coming here and putting things straight.
I just read your post.
I hope someday Jaycee will want to meet him...I think her plate is full right now, and it may be just too much.
But I am glad he made himself known and when she is ready I am sure it will be a tearful moment.
HE IS A GOOD GUY for letting her know how much he really cares about her well being, and that
he is ready when she is to meet.
I know that he did say "she is the same face :)" And she sure is :)

[MBK]

But if she is not ready to meet him right now or has "issues" with male figures that are being worked on in therapy, I would hope that her Biological Father would understand and be quietly supportive until such time as she is ready to meet him.

I can imagine that being "on" and "up" and the center of attention at a family gathering might be quite stressful.

[kbl8201]

am i really that evil for asking where was all this concern from 1979 to 1991?

[LinasK]

But if she is not ready to meet him right now or has "issues" with male figures that are being worked on in therapy, I would hope that her Biological Father would understand and be quietly supportive until such time as she is ready to meet him.

I can imagine that being "on" and "up" and the center of attention at a family gathering might be quite stressful.
I like the way you've stated it vs. the people on this thread who insist on bashing him just because he and Terry didn't have an on-going relationship. We don't know whose choice that was- might have been Terry's. I hope Jaycee does want to establish relationships with both her bio-dad and step-dad. I think it'd be healthy for her.

[kbl8201]

I like the way you've stated it vs. the people on this thread who insist on bashing him just because he and Terry didn't have an on-going relationship. We don't know whose choice that was- might have been Terry's. I hope Jaycee does want to establish relationships with both her bio-dad and step-dad. I think it'd be healthy for her.

i am not bashing him for not having a relationship with terry. he owed nothing to terry. he owed it to jaycee. maybe my vision is skewed by my own father relationship, havent seen him since i was about 5, never a call, birtdhay card or visit......if he walked back in to my life now 30 years later, i'd tell him to take a hike

[nobody2]

No I would say not a fair "accusation" as we have no knowledge of what went down between he and Jaycee's mom. Regardless he does not seem to be seeking the limelight, rather the limelight is seeking him, and when confronted, he says yes, she is his child, and he thinks her kidnapping was terrible and that the guy who did it is awful. Does not sound to me like he's making any ploys or trying to make a buck, though I am sure it will be offered, and who knows, depending on his life situation, whether he takes that or not. He may be a great guy or an awful guy, we just don't know either way, do we?
All that said, I agree that it's unfortunate when biological parents do not step up and take responsibility for their children, financially or otherwise supporting them. But these things are worked out between the two that made the child... and we have no way of knowing what if anything that Terry may have wanted from him when Jaycee was born.

[songline]

am i really that evil for asking where was all this concern from 1979 to 1991?
NO...But it would only be a fair question if she was not abducted. but she was. :(

[kbl8201]

No I would say not a fair "accusation" as we have no knowledge of what went down between he and Jaycee's mom. Regardless he does not seem to be seeking the limelight, rather the limelight is seeking him, and when confronted, he says yes, she is his child, and he thinks her kidnapping was terrible and that the guy who did it is awful. Does not sound to me like he's making any ploys or trying to make a buck, though I am sure it will be offered, and who knows, depending on his life situation, whether he takes that or not. He may be a great guy or an awful guy, we just don't know either way, do we?
All that said, I agree that it's unfortunate when biological parents do not step up and take responsibility for their children, financially or otherwise supporting them. But these things are worked out between the two that made the child... and we have no way of knowing what if anything that Terry may have wanted from him when Jaycee was born.
a father steps to the plate no matter the situation with the mother. he could have sent support even without a court order......he could have gone to court and asked for visitation rights. these are just typical questions im asking.........i dont know the whole story tis true. im just speaking as someone who went thru this from jaycee's POV (the abandoment not the abduction obviously)

[songline]

a father steps to the plate no matter the situation with the mother. he could have sent support even without a court order......he could have gone to court and asked for visitation rights. these are just typical questions im asking.........i dont know the whole story tis true. im just speaking as someone who went thru this from jaycee's POV (the abandoment not the abduction obviously)
This is not a child support case.
this is not an ordinary case
this is a very unusual case.

It seems to me you have issue with lack of support.
Maybe that is a personal issue for you.
Maybe JC's Mom wanted it that way, and maybe they made an agreement to have it that way.

I can only say that some men do fight to have contact with the kid they never met.
Those men are few and far between.
some do it because of money; like Larry Birkhead (ANS saga).

YES it would be great if men had the same parental bond for thier offspring as women do, but they dont.

There is a saying: Please do not take it literaly:
that only means the bond is different.
Please dont give me the case of the sperm....
"A child can only have ONE Mother, but many fathers".

[nobody2]

a father steps to the plate no matter the situation with the mother. he could have sent support even without a court order......he could have gone to court and asked for visitation rights. these are just typical questions im asking.........i dont know the whole story tis true. im just speaking as someone who went thru this from jaycee's POV (the abandoment not the abduction obviously)

I agree that a "real" parent steps up no matter what and usually that is what's best for the child. But I have also known people who did not feel willing or able to be in the child's life, and mothers who felt it "easier" or better for herself and the child not to have to involve this person in their lives and complicate things, if they could manage without him. Not saying it is "right" but it does happen quite a lot, as I guess you know. I am sorry for your pain regarding that and I know I can't begin to understand the difficulties and questions such a non-existent relationship might cause a child. ((hugs))

[kbl8201]

This is not a child support case.
this is not an ordinary case
this is a very unusual case.

It seems to me you have issue with lack of support.
Maybe that is a personal issue for you.
Maybe JC's Mom wanted it that way, and maybe they made an agreement to have it that way.

I can only say that some men do fight to have contact with the kid they never met.
Those men are few and far between.
some do it because of money; like Larry Birkhead (ANS saga).

YES it would be great if men had the same parental bond for thier offspring as women do, but they dont.

There is a saying: Please do not take it literaly:
that only means the bond is different.
Please dont give me the case of the sperm....
"A child can only have ONE Mother, but many fathers".

song you are right. it is a personal issue for me.
but you are also right when you said that thing about many fathers. to me my father was my grandmpa, who helped my mom raise me. he was a great role model (a world war 2 vet for one) just like carly probyn raised jaycee like she was his own. it doesnt matter who the bio dad is......it's the dad that's there in good times and bad that counts :)

[songline]

song you are right. it is a personal issue for me.
but you are also right when you said that thing about many fathers. to me my father was my grandmpa, who helped my mom raise me. he was a great role model (a world war 2 vet for one) just like carly probyn raised jaycee like she was his own. it doesnt matter who the bio dad is......it's the dad that's there in good times and bad that counts :)
I used to counsel I know :)
but I am really glad you had your grandpa who was good to you.
Non the less it is still hurtful when you think about your dad being a dead beat. :( I know sweetie, I do.
God bless you today and every day.

[Stephens]

As has been mentioned before, Dugard's mother told him she was pregnant and that he was the father. He chose to avoid having any role in her life at all. Not even child support (If he had paid any child support, he never would have said that he "thinks" Dugard is his daughter; he would be certain). That is a bastard, pure and simple.

Now, he's coming out claiming he gives a damn. I wonder why? $$$ The man also hired <a href="http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-gloria-allred-reps-jaycee-lee-dugards-dad-0?page=5">Gloria Alred</a> just to make it absurdly clear how loathsome he is.

I understand some people want to see something good out of this man all of a sudden "coming forward," but Ken Slayton is what he is. Terry Probyn figured that out ages ago.

[kbl8201]

I used to counsel I know :)
but I am really glad you had your grandpa who was good to you.
Non the less it is still hurtful when you think about your dad being a dead beat. :( I know sweetie, I do.
God bless you today and every day.

and i know my petty problems are nothing compared to all that jaycee has been thru. still i she is a hero to me for all she has overcome :)

[songline]

and i know my petty problems are nothing compared to all that jaycee has been thru. still i she is a hero to me for all she has overcome :)
GREAT POST :clap::clap:
JC is a Hero.

[LinasK]

i am not bashing him for not having a relationship with terry. he owed nothing to terry. he owed it to jaycee. maybe my vision is skewed by my own father relationship, havent seen him since i was about 5, never a call, birtdhay card or visit......if he walked back in to my life now 30 years later, i'd tell him to take a hike
The thing is- Jaycee had a father figure, her step-dad- and she might not have been aware her bio-dad existed, so if that's the case, why should she resent him?

[kbl8201]

As has been mentioned before, Dugard's mother told him she was pregnant and that he was the father. He chose to avoid having any role in her life at all. Not even child support (If he had paid any child support, he never would have said that he "thinks" Dugard is his daughter; he would be certain). That is a bastard, pure and simple.

Now, he's coming out claiming he gives a damn. I wonder why? $$$ The man also hired <a href="http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-gloria-allred-reps-jaycee-lee-dugards-dad-0?page=5">Gloria Alred</a> just to make it absurdly clear how loathsome he is.

I understand some people want to see something good out of this man all of a sudden "coming forward," but Ken Slayton is what he is. Terry Probyn figured that out ages ago.

carl probyn is jaycee's dad, plain and simple. and i feel so bad for what he went thru all these years, not only missing her, but being suspected of murdering her. of course the fbi and police wont ever admit they were wrong.

[kbl8201]

The thing is- Jaycee had a father figure, her step-dad- and she might not have been aware her bio-dad existed, so if that's the case, why should she resent him?

she might not know he existed, but he knew she existed. right now i doubt she resents anything about her family though.

[ihavearrived]

He says that because that is what he would really do, and that goes for anyone not just Jaycee.

[nobody2]

Are we still talking about Jaycee and Ken or you?

Definitely not me. Above you will see that I was defending Ken (is that his name?) against those who accuse him of trying to cash in even though he was not part of this daughter's life. As I said, we do not know that situation. However I was with my second post trying to acknowledge KBwhatever's sentiment (which WAS apparently based on her/his personal and painful experience) that most times it is best for both parents to be present and responsible in a child's life. However I have known folks (both fathers and mothers) that decided against that involvement for their own reasons, and I am not judging them for that. Their own children may judge them for it someday, but hopefully not. Definitely not my own experience, and I personally don't think what decisions Ken and Jaycee's mom made 30 years ago are our business to dissect.. (despite the fact that I posted here.) I was simply trying to defend him, though I do see the other side.

[Stephens]

Oh, good, the unintentionally hilarious post by ihavearrived directed at me was removed. Now, my post in which I defend myself looks odd.

@kbl8201: I hope that Dugard saw Probyn as a father figure. It takes time for a kid to trust a step-father. From what I remember she knew him since she was about 8 years old and only had begun to open up to him when she was kidnapped (according to Probyn himself). He seems like a good man.

[Marine Mom]

This is not a child support case.
this is not an ordinary case
this is a very unusual case.

*************
*************
Maybe JC's Mom wanted it that way, and maybe they made an agreement to have it that way.

I can only say that some men do fight to have contact with the kid they never met.
Those men are few and far between.
some do it because of money; like Larry Birkhead (ANS saga).

YES it would be great if men had the same parental bond for thier offspring as women do, but they dont.

There is a saying: Please do not take it literaly:
that only means the bond is different.
Please dont give me the case of the sperm....
"A child can only have ONE Mother, but many fathers".

I like you.

Just when I think of something to say, someone says it better. Thank you. You mirrored my thoughts.

[songline]

As has been mentioned before, Dugard's mother told him she was pregnant and that he was the father. He chose to avoid having any role in her life at all. Not even child support (If he had paid any child support, he never would have said that he "thinks" Dugard is his daughter; he would be certain). That is a bastard, pure and simple.

Now, he's coming out claiming he gives a damn. I wonder why? $$$ The man also hired <a href="http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-gloria-allred-reps-jaycee-lee-dugards-dad-0?page=5">Gloria Alred</a> just to make it absurdly clear how loathsome he is.

I understand some people want to see something good out of this man all of a sudden "coming forward," but Ken Slayton is what he is. Terry Probyn figured that out ages ago.

Why did he hire a lawyer, does he think he is getting interviews? or a book or something?
He sure will not have any rights to her foundation it is that simple.

I can believe that he was crushed to hear that she was abducted, and is very happy she is home. That kind of news has to tug on his heart strings.
It will be a very long while, but she may want to know him and his kids, she may find an extended family that will blend nicely in the future. By then JC will have a better handle of what she may want.
She is learning to WANT she does not know what that means.
Something we daily take for granted.

[Stephens]

I assume Allred took on this case for media exposure. In spite of his claims that he's not interested in any money, hiring Allred screams otherwise. He probably thinks he can get some of the money coming Dugard's way (which I seriously doubt). [God, I don't even think the Dugard family, Jaycee and her daughters, will have the money needed for their rehabilitation. CA is in a meltdown and the economy is still on it's knees.]

Why else would he demand that Dugard get a paternity test?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/man-who-says-he-is-jaycee-dugards-father-pleads-for-reunion.html
"Allred said Slayton wants to get in touch with Dugard or a family representative to arrange a private meeting and a confidential paternity test. If the family does not consent to the test, she said Slayton may take legal action."

My God, the woman has been through an almost unimaginable ordeal and here he is insisting on being part of her life. He's a total stranger to her! Reminds me of Solomon splitting the baby, with the real mother begging to spare the child while the fraud agrees. Compare him to Mr. Probyn who said he'll gladly wait and be happy with a "hug," considering they're rightly taking things slow. This man, if he was truly interested in Dugard's well being, would not ask her for anything and would certainly avoid talking to Dugard or her mother in such a public way. Here's a hint, Slayton: if neither Terry Probyn nor Jaycee Dugard are trying to contact you, it's probably because they don't want to.

Here's a video clip of him:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7029846

[kbl8201]

piece of garbage. like i said he has bad motives..........im sorry if this offends anyone. he wants to put her thru more nightmares? piece of garbage.......please do not defend this scumbag anymore :furious:

[kbl8201]

this man is not her father. no father would put her thru this after all she's been thru........taking her to court to force a paternity test? guy is a selfish prick........no one will convince me otherwise either.......please whoever it is here who claims to know how great a guy he is, please defend this garbage he's pulling?

[kbl8201]

i had a post removed, and rightfully so, because i went on a long ranting raving diatribe against bio dad and his current action to force jaycee to submit to a paternity suit/meeting. this guy is just plain bad imo. i know he has been defended here, and by someone who claims to know him, but after everything jaycee went thru and is dealing with now, he has no right to demand anything of her. he doesnt get to play dad 30 years too late. 12 years he could have stepped up before she was taken. 12 years he did nothing. now she's an adult with kids of her own. what does this guy want? visitation of the grandkids? money from lawsuits the dugards are sure to win? i just dont like this guy

[Californian]

But if she is not ready to meet him right now or has "issues" with male figures that are being worked on in therapy, I would hope that her Biological Father would understand and be quietly supportive until such time as she is ready to meet him.

I can imagine that being "on" and "up" and the center of attention at a family gathering might be quite stressful.

Excellent point, MBK.

Jaycee is going through A LOT right now. She only needs to be surrounded by the family she already knows and trusts.

She DOES NOT NEED (imo) to be thrust into a new situation, i.e.

"hey, welcome home, JC!, I'm your bio dad, yeah you didn't know me, you might not even have known about me, but here I am, and, oh by the way, here's your half-brothers, and over there, are your half-sisters, and here's some nieces, by the way that means they are your daughter's cousins, mind if we all sit down and get to know you? But first, this here's my attorney, Gloria Allred, she likes to get involved in these high profile cases, now just sit still while we take a swab of your DNA because before we have this little reunion I want to make sure I really am your daddy."

Okay, that's an over reaction on my part, but that's how I see it. :furious:

[Californian]

Kenneth Slayton was 34 or 35 years old when he had this brief encounter with Terry, who was only 20 or 21 at the time. He was "between" two other relationships (separated from his wife, and he soon became engaged to another woman). He knew she was pregnant before they "lost contact."

This is information from his statements between late August and early September. I'll go back and find the sources if anyone wants it.
###

Now I'm mad as hell seeing how his story is starting to change. Now "Slayton said he wasn’t sure the baby was his or whether Susan (sic) would even keep it" before they lost touch. This is BS, and I don't understand why Gloria Alldred would be helping him to spin it like this. Oh, right, because "he simply wants to provide a positive male role model for her and her children."

But first he "wants DNA testing done to determine his paternity". :banghead:

source: http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/kenneth-slayton

[kbl8201]

Excellent point, MBK.

Jaycee is going through A LOT right now. She only needs to be surrounded by the family she already knows and trusts.

She DOES NOT NEED (imo) to be thrust into a new situation, i.e. "hey, welcome home, JC!, I'm your bio dad, yeah you didn't know me, you might not even have known about me, but here I am, and, oh by the way, here's your half-brothers, and over there, are your half-sisters, and here's some nieces, by the way that means they are your daughter's cousins, mind if we all sit down and get to know you? But first, this here's my attorney, Gloria Allred, she likes to get involved in these high profile cases, now just sit still while we take a swab of your DNA because before we have this little reunion I want to make sure I'm really your daddy."

Okay, that's an over reaction on my part, but that's how I see it. :furious:

this is not an overeaction in the least. i know people meant well in defending what his motives might be........but im not seeing it. this guy is out for nothing but trouble here..........30 years and now he's on the scene? where was he all this time.........where was he when jayce was born/ where was he when she said her first word.....where was he when she rode her bike for the first time........where was he when she was stolen? not by the familys side thats for sure..........now he sees dollar signs and all of a sudden he wants to play daddy? give me a break!:banghead:

[txsvicki]

Just thinking positive about the bio dad, he may want to change his will, but would like to make sure first. There was no dna testing in '91, but it's now common for unmarried parents to test before ordering child support. There's surely already dna on file , so maybe he should have the right to it just to ease his mind and plan the future. I imagine even the little girls were also tested just to make sure they were Jaycee's. Hopefully Jaycee won't have to go through any more crazy experiences or get involved in family BS with two sets of families.

[kbl8201]

Just thinking positive about the bio dad, he may want to change his will, but would like to make sure first. There was no dna testing in '91, but it's now common for unmarried parents to test before ordering child support. There's surely already dna on file , so maybe he should have the right to it just to ease his mind and plan the future. I imagine even the little girls were also tested just to make sure they were Jaycee's. Hopefully Jaycee won't have to go through any more crazy experiences or get involved in family BS with two sets of families.

tx vicky i really wish this was the case. but i dont see it......he's not up to any good here. forcing her to take a dna test after all she's been thru? upsetting her life again? guy is ridiculous. and what is this nonsense about the paternity again? "she's my daughter she has my face anyone can see that?" damn him........this is all about money to him

[my2sisters]

Just thinking positive about the bio dad, he may want to change his will, but would like to make sure first. There was no dna testing in '91, but it's now common for unmarried parents to test before ordering child support. There's surely already dna on file , so maybe he should have the right to it just to ease his mind and plan the future. I imagine even the little girls were also tested just to make sure they were Jaycee's. Hopefully Jaycee won't have to go through any more crazy experiences or get involved in family BS with two sets of families.

That's an interesting thought. Maybe he's in a place to be able to help Jaycee financially.

[kbl8201]

That's an interesting thought. Maybe he's in a place to be able to help Jaycee financially.

so why is he forcing a meeting and a paternity test? what if jaycee wants nothing to do with him, his family or his money? she's an adult she doesnt have to cow tow to a father who never gave a darn about her

[Natal]

Why else would he demand that Dugard get a paternity test?


I would guess that he wanted to come over and say hi, and they told him to take a hike. Getting a paternity test would be one way to force the issue, not so much with Jaycee, but with the grandaughters, who are still minors and therefore open to this sort of action.

[jjenny]

I would guess that he wanted to come over and say hi, and they told him to take a hike. Getting a paternity test would be one way to force the issue, not so much with Jaycee, but with the grandaughters, who are still minors and therefore open to this sort of action.

If he is Jaycee's father, they minors are not his daughters, they would be his granddaughters. I don't know what legal rights someone would have regarding his granddaughters.

[Natal]

There are also his girls to consider. That might be part of the reason for doing all this.

[jjenny]

There are also his girls to consider. That might be part of the reason for doing all this.

Seems kind of too late. Jaycee is an adult, and if she doesn't want tests done, then the tests shouldn't be done. If she does want them done, that's a different story.
I don't know what rights someone can possibly have wanting to DNA test an adult.

[kbl8201]

I would guess that he wanted to come over and say hi, and they told him to take a hike. Getting a paternity test would be one way to force the issue, not so much with Jaycee, but with the grandaughters, who are still minors and therefore open to this sort of action.

oh so now he wants to play grandpa too. am i the only one seeing a problem here? god im frustrated :(

[Natal]

If he is Jaycee's father, they minors are not his daughters, they would be his granddaughters. I don't know what legal rights someone would have regarding his granddaughters.

That would be something to look up. I believe that people can and do file suit for those sorts of visitation rights, but that the courts usually side with the wishes of the actual parents.

It is worth pointing out that there are two other grandparents out there as well. Now that would be interesting, if one or both of them decided to sue for visitation as well.

[Charlie09]

You know, DNA has come a long way. I'm not even aware of the story, my first thought is disgust, my second thought is he may want to verify before setting up another emotional disruption. He may be protecting her and himself with this request.

I don't know.

[kbl8201]

That would be something to look up. I believe that people can and do file suit for those sorts of visitation rights, but that the courts usually side with the wishes of the actual parents.

It is worth pointing out that there are two other grandparents out there as well. Now that would be interesting, if one or both of them decided to sue for visitation as well.

most parents that sue for visitation actually met there own kid...........

[kbl8201]

if he sues jaycee for anythng hes an even bigger piece of dirt then i thought

[Natal]

oh so now he wants to play grandpa too. am i the only one seeing a problem here? god im frustrated :(

Not necessarily. He might want his daughters to play aunt. Their relationship to the two nieces is pretty much the same as that of the other half sister. Why should one get to play and the other two not? I would guess that he might be looking at it like that.

That might be their argument, I can't see that anything else would get them in.

[kbl8201]

You know, DNA has come a long way. I'm not even aware of the story, my first thought is disgust, my second thought is he may want to verify before setting up another emotional disruption. He may be protecting her and himself with this request.

I don't know.

he never saw her once between the time she was born and the time she was kidnapped. he's setting up an emotional disruption just by sticking his damn nose into this.

[Natal]

most parents that sue for visitation actually met there own kid...........

Visitation would be for the grandchildren, and in this case the only grandparent that had actually met them prior to this was Patricia Garrido. From that point of view, all other grandparents should be on an equal footing.

[kbl8201]

Not necessarily. He might want his daughters to play aunt. Their relationship to the two nieces is pretty much the same as that of the other half sister. Why should one get to play and the other two not? I would guess that he might be looking at it like that.

That might be their argument, I can't see that anything else would get them in.

well he never seemed to worry about his kids playing 'sister" with jaycee before she was kidnapped. this is the whole issue to me. why the intrest 30 years later?

[kbl8201]

would just like to see the person who is on this board and claims to know him explain to all of us what his motivation here is for turning her life upside even more then it already is.

[jjenny]

That would be something to look up. I believe that people can and do file suit for those sorts of visitation rights, but that the courts usually side with the wishes of the actual parents.

It is worth pointing out that there are two other grandparents out there as well. Now that would be interesting, if one or both of them decided to sue for visitation as well.

From looking into this a little bit, I think he is out of luck unless Jaycee would agree to any visitations, DNA testing, etc. He doesn't have relationship with the grandchildren, and so I don't think the court would impose any sort of visitation rights unless Jaycee agrees to it.

[Openmind]

Good grief -- this man wasn't at all interested in Jaycee before she was kidnapped and now he is expecting her to open up her arms to him. When she was born, he heard through the grapevine of her birth but made no effort to contact Terry and confirm he had a child. Terry obvioulsy didn't expect anything from him and that is exactly what he gave -- nothing. Whatever his motive, he is very selfish to demand she see him or to get a DNA test to confirm he is her father. Doesn't she have enough to deal with without this? Why should she want his comfort and support when he has never been a part of her life to begin with? If he wants to give her financial support, nothing is stopping him -- with or without a DNA test. They have funds set up for just that purpose.

Jaycee doesn't have to prove anything to anyone --including this absentee father for the first 11 years of her life.

Did this man help in any way help look for Jaycee when she was kidnapped?

[DollyPardonMe]

That's an interesting thought. Maybe he's in a place to be able to help Jaycee financially.

I sent money to the Jaycee Dugard Fund set up by her grandmother where she worked for so many years. It wasnt much BUT I didnt request a DNA test before I sent it!!

[Natal]

well he never seemed to worry about his kids playing 'sister" with jaycee before she was kidnapped. this is the whole issue to me. why the intrest 30 years later?

The daughters would have been what? 2 and 5 at the time. There is no way they would have understood what was going on, the youngest probably could barely even speak. And in any case, they would have had their own mother who was no relation and who likely wouldnt have been too thrilled at the prospect of confusing them at that age. Its the sort of thing that would be told to kids when they were much older, but by then Jaycee was gone and pretty much everyone assumed she was dead.

[Natal]

From looking into this a little bit, I think he is out of luck unless Jaycee would agree to any visitations, DNA testing, etc. He doesn't have relationship with the grandchildren, and so I don't think the court would impose any sort of visitation rights unless Jaycee agrees to it.

This may be an unusual case however, because the grandchildren were in forced confinement and therefore the absence of a relationship would be a weak argument.

[Natal]

He was drawn back into it, back when she was kidnapped. He was investigated by the police at that time, that would have brought her back into his life.

[Natal]

Some more info regarding this developing situation:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/man-who-says-he-is-jaycee-dugards-father-pleads-for-reunion.html

Some other notes of interest in the news article:

Scott, of the Sacramento law firm Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe, said he has met with Probyn and Dugard and is helping them get birth certificates for Dugard’s daughters, establish a trust fund for Dugard and the girls and possibly negotiate a book contract.



“Jaycee and her daughters are focused on a lengthy list of very real and definite issues they are confronting,” Scott said. “The concept of a paternity test is not even on our radar.”



He said the family is cooperating with prosecutors.[

[kbl8201]

yup they have enough to deal with without this nonsense. good for them though going forward like this ;)

[kbl8201]

He was drawn back into it, back when she was kidnapped. He was investigated by the police at that time, that would have brought her back into his life.

yeah but he was cleared when the cops and feds figured out he didnt give a hoot about her at all

[MBK]

McGregor W. Scott
Partner
Litigation
Sacramento Office


(916) 329-7982
mscott@orrick.com


McGregor "Greg" Scott, a partner in Orrick's Sacramento office, is a member of the Litigation Group, focusing on white collar criminal defense and corporate investigations. Mr. Scott, a former United States Attorney, is an experienced trial lawyer with nearly 20 years of experience as a prosecutor.


Education
J.D., University of California, Hastings College of the Law, 1989
B.A., Santa Clara University, 1985

http://www.orrick.com/lawyers/photos/230360.jpg

[Tizzle]

I think everyone should stop letting their personal experiences form their opinion about Ken and cut this man some slack. No one knows what the circumstances were surrounding his lack of involvement in Jaycee's life before she was abducted. It could very well have been the way Terry wanted it. If not, and he was absent by his own choice, isn't it fair to assume that he may have realized what he missed out on when she was abducted? HE'S HUMAN. People make mistakes and sometimes don't realize the result of their actions until it's too late. To him, her recovery may be like a second chance to make it right with her. To apologize for not being there when she needed him. It could be therapeutic for both, when the time is right.

I haven't seen him "forcing" or demanding a meeting, he tearfully requested the opportunity to meet each other, with his family by his side. BIG difference. He isn't that bad of a guy if he has a seemingly healthy relationship with all of his other kids. I doubt he singled Jaycee out as the one he didn't want a relationship with.

About him only doing this for dollar signs, I think Jaycee or Terry could go after him for all the years he didn't pay child support for her IF, in fact, he didn't. NO ONE KNOWS what, exactly, his involvement was with Jaycee's life before. Just because he didn't know her, doesn't mean he didn't provide financial assistance for her. If he didn't pay child support, are there records showing that Terry pursued support from him? If she didn't, wouldn't that send the message that she didn't want his involvement in Jaycee's life? Maybe she just wanted a baby that was all her own. We don't know about Terry's life or decisions before 1991, so I think all the speculation surrounding this part of the nightmare is a little ridiculous and a lot unwarranted. This man does not seem at all like a scumbag or nefarious creature. Lets not make him the monster of this story when that title belongs SOLELY to PG & NG.

Further, his hiring of Gloria Allred doesn't necessarily mean he is up to no good just because it usually seems like she is. She, being led by HER greed, PROBABLY approached him and offered her services up. Even with my opinions of her, if I was involved in a high profile case and she offered, I would accept. Because as annoying as she is, she makes up for it in the courtroom. She's annoying, but extremely intelligent and effective. Doesn't mean I'm up to no good, just like it doesn't mean Ken Slayton is. Also, the request to determine paternity through DNA is probably all thanks to Glo. However, I have seen no indication that anyone is trying to "force" or "demand" anything (DNA, meeting or otherwise) of Jaycee. They simply spoke out and requested these things. While he probably is her father, it is not out of the ordinary for a father to request DNA of a reconnected adult offspring. It would be more damaging to Jaycee if they did reconnect only to find out later that he isn't actually her biological father, EXTREMELY damaging to the psyche of Jaycee, her daughters and everyone else closely involved.

I say, give this man the benefit of the doubt, like he deserves. Like everyone you come in contact with, deserves. Jaycee may want to meet him, and while I don't think it would be in her best interest just yet, it may very well be imperative to her leading a healthy and productive life in the future. Or she may never want to make contact with him and her siblings. Either way it's solely the choice of Jaycee and not us. There's nothing wrong with someone (in this case, Ken) coming forward and trying to make ammends for their mistakes. If Jaycee had never been abducted, who are we to say he wouldn't have tried to do so a lot sooner? Sometimes people change, sometimes people grow up a little later than the rest of us and sometimes they want to make it right. Judge not lest ye be judged.

[nobody2]

So, if this is yet more discussion about Bio dad, why is there a new thread for it? Shouldn't this be merged with that one? Kinda confusing this way.

[MBK]

Kenneth Slayton Press Conference on Radar.com

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/video-interview-jaycee%E2%80%99s-biological-father-breaks-down-says-he-wants-back-her

In an emotional press conference held Wednesday in attorney Gloria Allred’s office in Los Angeles, the biological father of Jaycee Lee Dugard, Kenneth Slayton, broke down in tears as he revealed his desire to connect with the daughter he has never seen.

Reading a statement, Allred said, “Kenneth wants to assure Jaycee that he wants absolutely nothing from her and he simply wants to provide a positive male role model for her and her children.” Allred added that Slayton wants DNA testing done to determine his paternity.

*snip* Slayton said he wasn’t sure the baby was his or whether Susan would even keep it. He says he lost contact with her shortly after that, and never saw Jaycee.

*snip*

Slayton also said he chose to hire Allred as his attorney because he feels she has the ability to make the proper contact with the FBI and the Dugard family, which up to now he has been unable to do. Both Slayton and Allred say money is not behind his efforts to establish a relationship with Jaycee.

Jaycee and the Dugard family have been offered seven-figure financial deals to sell the rights to their story, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

MAYBE his intentions are good, but the public nature of this press conference was not. It seems to me like there is an attempt being made to "force" or compel or pressure Jaycee. It's just awful, because she is NOT watching TV at this time . . . and if she were to see this video later, she might be shattered by emotions.

Honestly, if Slayton cared a WHIT about her and her daughters, he'd back off for the moment, after all they've been through. He would rescind the request for DNA testing. Jaycee does not need to feel guilt, confusion, or fear about what this man might try to do to get to her and her daughters. This was NOT a move, IMO, that would lead to healing Jaycee's more pressing issues and those of her daughters.

[Stephens]

"Judge, not lest ye be judged."

More like: "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck."

[Tizzle]

I agree that now is not the time to try to connect w/ Jaycee. But, in this man's defense, he doesn't really have a choice but to be public considering the complete media frenzy surrounding this. He possibly spoke out to let her and her "handlers" know that the option is open if and when it is needed. Hopefully, he will let it lie from here and let Jaycee take the reigns. We have to remember that while Jaycee's mind may be fragile right now, she is by no means weak. It would have to take a pretty strong mind to "survive" the last 18 years. And while she wasn't properly cared for from June 91 to Aug 09 she is being well cared for now, by her family and by experts. They won't let anything in that will damage her recovery. As of August 26, I have seen nothing but the best decisions being made for Jaycee from the story not being released until she was hidden away and safe to her being kept safely hidden from the medias glaring eye still. So, I have no reason to believe that they will allow Ken's pleas to harm her and I don't feel that Ken's intentions are to be harmful. Jaycee is no stranger to hiding and I pray that with the continued support of her family and "handlers" that one day she won't have to feel hidden anymore.

Remember, privacy is not really an option for Ken considering the circumstances.

[kbl8201]

"not demanding anything from jaycee' what a crock........if he wasnt demanding anything from her he wouldt be forcing the issue with what she's going thru right now. am i the only one who sees this?
help!

[kbl8201]

i'll let jaycee and her family's lawyer handle this situation and not post on it again. its not worth my aggrivation

[xin]

Did he pay child support during the early years of Jaycee's life, prior to her mom's remarriage? Did his family (Jaycee's grandparents) provide any care, love or support?
Sorry if I missed this is an earlier post/discussion. Basically, did he leave his pregnant girlfriend high and dry from that point on? Did she tell him to get lost?

This is all upsetting but Jaycee is 30 and with her mom and the two of them will be able to handle any untimely intrusion of a possibly run-away-father. He is the least of her worries. This is a family matter than can be settled cleanly and swiftly it seems to me.
(I hope so.)

[xin]

This is an especially upsetting point for kbl and others. VERY emotional. A man seems to abandon the pregnant mother-to-be of his child is the worse sort of schmuck. But, kb + friends, we have to trust that this family matter can be sorted out. Jaycee is 30 and with support from her mom and auntie can make her decision. As many of us have experienced, proposed reunions of children with their abandonin fathers are not fun.
KBL: I feel your pain, but this part, like most of the terrors, is simply beyond our control. Jaycee and her mom have the services of a top top law firm and they seem to be in really good, caring hands. xo

[kbl8201]

This is an especially upsetting point for kbl and others. VERY emotional. A man seems to abandon the pregnant mother-to-be of his child is the worse sort of schmuck. But, kb + friends, we have to trust that this family matter can be sorted out. Jaycee is 30 and with support from her mom and auntie can make her decision. As many of us have experienced, proposed reunions of children with their abandonin fathers are not fun.
KBL: I feel your pain, but this part, like most of the terrors, is simply beyond our control. Jaycee and her mom have the services of a top top law firm and they seem to be in really good, caring hands. xo

your absolutely right. its her choice. so why does bio dad feel the need to 'seek legal action" if she doesnt cowtow to his meeting/paternity test "request" (i use that term loosely)

[songline]

That's an interesting thought. Maybe he's in a place to be able to help Jaycee financially.

If he is able to help he can even do it anonymously if his heart is in the right place.
doing the right thing does not include whatever he is doing.

He wants something...but I am not sure what it is.:waitasec:
I am assuming he want a clear conscience and is trying to let us all know
that he tried to do the right thing.
Seems he still has no clue what "doing the right thing" is :(
To me, as I see it now - it is all about himself....me, me, me.....
I hope that she will give him the boot. I hope she will embrace her step dad.

[kbl8201]

Did he pay child support during the early years of Jaycee's life, prior to her mom's remarriage? Did his family (Jaycee's grandparents) provide any care, love or support?
Sorry if I missed this is an earlier post/discussion. Basically, did he leave his pregnant girlfriend high and dry from that point on? Did she tell him to get lost?

This is all upsetting but Jaycee is 30 and with her mom and the two of them will be able to handle any untimely intrusion of a possibly run-away-father. He is the least of her worries. This is a family matter than can be settled cleanly and swiftly it seems to me.
(I hope so.)

ok i lied about not posting again. want to set the record striaght here.
he did not pay a cent in child support. he never sent a birthday card, called her, or made a personal viist. we can make all the excuses for this we want but these are the facts.

[songline]

An e-mail I sent to his Lawyer:

He is your client, and if the man wants to do the right thing he can do so anonymously.
How dare he want to pressure her at this stage of her life. Well he said no pressure.
BUT IT IS...
Good deeds to not need to go in this direction. I pray she wants nothing to do with him only because of this despicable strategy
and timing.
As soon as I heard he lawyer up, I knew this stinks.

If he has a conscience he wants to clear this is the wrong way.

AND YOU TOOK THIS CASE?

[kbl8201]

An e-mail I sent to his Lawyer:

He is your client, and if the man wants to do the right thing he can do so anonymously.
How dare he want to pressure her at this stage of her life. Well he said no pressure.
BUT IT IS...
Good deeds to not need to go in this direction. I pray she wants nothing to do with him only because of this despicable strategy
and timing.
As soon as I heard he lawyer up, I knew this stinks.

If he has a conscience he wants to clear this is the wrong way.

AND YOU TOOK THIS CASE?
r
i dont think he has a conscious. i dont think he cares about jaycee or the girls at all. and this whole crock about 'being a positive role model" for them? huh? what a dad who abandons his kid until he sees dollar signs is a positive role model? a man who's daughters' already been thru hell and he wants to put her thru more? why do people defend this guy? he's no better then molino

[Imbackon]

In MN you have 3 years to get your name OFF of a birth certificate. If you don't you are the assumed father and even if dna later proves you are not the bio father, child support or other legal obligations are still yours.

This came about when a married father found out his children where not his children while in the middle of a divorce. It was deemed the child's right to parentage and in their best interest to not allow men, who raised a child as his child, to decide to later take it all back. So in Minnesota at least, all men are on notice, married or not that if they have any suspicions that a child is not theirs, then get a dna test as early as possible.

The reverse, should if it is not already the case be true. If a father does not do anything to PUT his name on a birth certificate the first 3 years of a child's life, then I feel he should lose any parental rights, which includes things like right of inheritance, visitation etc...

I can see, and maybe there is something in the law here regarding this where if a man is completely unaware that he may be a father, that he could get some sort of rights reinstated, but Mr. Slayton was not completely unaware and he could have taken action to get his name on JC's birth certificate.

Gotta draw a line somewhere, and 3 years is the line in MN.

[kbl8201]

In MN you have 3 years to get your name OFF of a birth certificate. If you don't you are the assumed father and even if dna later proves you are not the bio father, child support or other legal obligations are still yours.

This came about when a married father found out his children where not his children while in the middle of a divorce. It was deemed the child's right to parentage and in their best interest to not allow men, who raised a child as his child, to decide to later take it all back. So in Minnesota at least, all men are on notice, married or not that if they have any suspicions that a child is not theirs, then get a dna test as early as possible.

The reverse, should if it is not already the case be true. If a father does not do anything to PUT his name on a birth certificate the first 3 years of a child's life, then I feel he should lose any parental rights, which includes things like right of inheritance, visitation etc...


I can see, and maybe there is something in the law here regarding this where if a man is completely unaware that he may be a father, that he could get some sort of rights reinstated, but Mr. Slayton was not completely unaware and he could have taken action to get his name on JC's birth certificate.

Gotta draw a line somewhere, and 3 years is the line in MN.

he knew all along he was/could be the dad. he just chose to do nothing about it. you can give me all the 'well if the mom didnt want him involved......." but he's the dad. he could have asked for visitation rights 30 years ago.....he didnt

[JDB]

your absolutely right. its her choice. so why does bio dad feel the need to 'seek legal action" if she doesnt cowtow to his meeting/paternity test "request" (i use that term loosely)

You know why are u losing focus here. The true story is Jaycee being found? I really could care less about her Bio dad. But if Jaycee is his he should alsdo have rights.

[stilettos]

i had a post removed, and rightfully so, because i went on a long ranting raving diatribe against bio dad and his current action to force jaycee to submit to a paternity suit/meeting. this guy is just plain bad imo. i know he has been defended here, and by someone who claims to know him, but after everything jaycee went thru and is dealing with now, he has no right to demand anything of her. he doesnt get to play dad 30 years too late. 12 years he could have stepped up before she was taken. 12 years he did nothing. now she's an adult with kids of her own. what does this guy want? visitation of the grandkids? money from lawsuits the dugards are sure to win? i just dont like this guy

No one should be forced to submit to a test they do not want...she is an adult...she has a choice. i am not sure that he can compel her to do it..should she choose not to, i would support that...should she choose to...that also.

[songline]

WHY DO WE NEED THIS THREAD FOR.

We already have thread on JC's Bio Dad.
He is not a star.
Please merge this thread with where it belongs.
ENOUGH THREADS HERE. :banghead:
I am heading back to JAYCEES BIO DAD.
enough of the me, me, me threads.

[Tizzle]

I, personally, hope Jaycee is able to reconnect with both Carl and Ken. I hope that they can put all the grief and disdain behind them and live harmoniously, with forgiveness and love. I hope Jaycee never has to look back and think "What if?"

A father can pursue visitation rights, if he wants to. It would be kind of hard, though, if the mother of the child didn't want to found by said father, no? It IS still possible that Terry didn't want his involvement and made sure that there was no contact.

You don't think the man has even a hint of guilt over the fact that maybe his involvement in her life might have somehow prevented the 18 years of hell she endured? I do. Watch his press conference, if you haven't already. Those definitely don't look like crocodile tears to me. I saw a guilt-ridden, grief-stricken man that just wanted his message to get into the right hands to share with Jaycee when the time is right.
The people handling Jaycee's care aren't going to inform her of this press conference or the information obtained from it until they know it's the right time. So, whether or not he chose the best time to address this, it is still up to the people caring for her when she learns of it. It's not like he can just call her up and say "Hey!" so he chose this way to get the message to her. What would make you feel better about it? If he just said "Yeah, that's my kid, but I don't care about her or anything to do with her or her plight." would you feel better? Is the gesture of coming forward, like a man, and offering a loving, helping hand whenever needed really as horrible as many of you make it seem?. He even said he'll wait whatever amount of time it takes. Seems more noble to me than if he was just indifferent to the whole situation.

Also, kbl, care to elaborate on how you know what his involvement with Jaycee was during her childhood(no bday cards, phone calls, financial support)? How do you know? And how do you know he didn't attempt these things but was unable to locate Terry and Jaycee?

None of this really matters, though. In the end, this whole thread is pointless and useless because our opinion into the matter of Jaycee's biological father will have absolutely no weight in Jaycee's ultimate decision. Our opinons of him are certainly not going to decide what Jaycee feels is right for her. God bless her and her journey.

[songline]

In MN you have 3 years to get your name OFF of a birth certificate. If you don't you are the assumed father and even if dna later proves you are not the bio father, child support or other legal obligations are still yours.

This came about when a married father found out his children where not his children while in the middle of a divorce. It was deemed the child's right to parentage and in their best interest to not allow men, who raised a child as his child, to decide to later take it all back. So in Minnesota at least, all men are on notice, married or not that if they have any suspicions that a child is not theirs, then get a dna test as early as possible.

The reverse, should if it is not already the case be true. If a father does not do anything to PUT his name on a birth certificate the first 3 years of a child's life, then I feel he should lose any parental rights, which includes things like right of inheritance, visitation etc...

I can see, and maybe there is something in the law here regarding this where if a man is completely unaware that he may be a father, that he could get some sort of rights reinstated, but Mr. Slayton was not completely unaware and he could have taken action to get his name on JC's birth certificate.

Gotta draw a line somewhere, and 3 years is the line in MN.
But what is the Law in California - that is where they live.

[songline]

None of this really matters, though. In the end, this whole thread is pointless and useless because our opinion into the matter of Jaycee's biological father will have absolutely no weight in Jaycee's ultimate decision. Our opinons of him are certainly not going to decide what Jaycee feels is right for her. God bless her and her journey.

EXACTLY! It will be her choice.
The good part is that she is no longer 18 and she can tell him to go fly a kite.

First of all she has so much on her plate to deal with.
His timing and method sucks.
He could have made it known that when the time for JC is right he would like to help her in whatever way he can, until then he could do it all anonymously.
Nobody needs 2 fathers unless they like them a lot.
I only hope she will befriend her step dad, He is most sincere,
he did take care of her, she will have a faster bond with him.

If she is curious about the other fine. but while I did stick up for him before; the fact that he lawyerd up made me very suspicious of him.

[Pink Panther]

This is only my opinion. I don't know this guy. Whoever he might be...
but my opinion is that he is a "Loser" and I hope he crawls right back under the rock he's been hiding under for over 18 years!

Bleh.

Gloria Alred - I hope you've done your research!

[RJA00]

ok i lied about not posting again. want to set the record striaght here.
he did not pay a cent in child support. he never sent a birthday card, called her, or made a personal viist. we can make all the excuses for this we want but these are the facts.

we will probley never know the whole story

my sister pretty much as the same story

she was 19 when she had her son, her son is now 28, the father never paid a dime and never bothered to see him

but, that was my sister choice, she did not go after child support becouse she did not want to worry with visitation

( when he would show up at the house to caouse trouble, my mom would tell home come back when your striaght and you can see him, and if he kept on, she would say the magic words, do you want to pay child support and he would run)

i will give him a half credit, he did call my mom every once in awhile to say hi and to ask about him, when he was straight

my mom and dad said they would rather help support there grandchild then help to support lawyer,

my nephew is getting married and he did send him a wedding invitation and we are all waiting to see if he shows up,

he was never put on the birth cert, he has his mother maiden name


to add, maybe if my sister pushed the child support, he would of strighten up and became the worlds greatest father
we will never know

[MBK]

California State Code Grandparents Rights

CALIFORNIA CODES
FAMILY.CODE
SECTIONS 3102-3104

3102. (a) If either parent of an unemancipated minor child is
deceased, the children, siblings, parents, and grandparents of the
deceased parent may be granted reasonable visitation with the child
during the child's minority upon a finding that the visitation would
be in the best interest of the minor child.
(b) In granting visitation pursuant to this section to a person
other than a grandparent of the child, the court shall consider the
amount of personal contact between the person and the child before
the application for the visitation order.
(c) This section does not apply if the child has been adopted by a
person other than a stepparent or grandparent of the child. Any
visitation rights granted pursuant to this section before the
adoption of the child automatically terminate if the child is adopted
by a person other than a stepparent or grandparent of the child.


3103. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, in a
proceeding described in Section 3021, the court may grant reasonable
visitation to a grandparent of a minor child of a party to the
proceeding if the court determines that visitation by the grandparent
is in the best interest of the child.
(b) If a protective order as defined in Section 6218 has been
directed to the grandparent during the pendency of the proceeding,
the court shall consider whether the best interest of the child
requires that visitation by the grandparent be denied.
(c) The petitioner shall give notice of the petition to each of
the parents of the child, any stepparent, and any person who has
physical custody of the child, by certified mail, return receipt
requested, postage prepaid, to the person's last known address, or to
the attorneys of record of the parties to the proceeding.
(d) There is a rebuttable presumption affecting the burden of
proof that the visitation of a grandparent is not in the best
interest of a minor child if the child's parents agree that the
grandparent should not be granted visitation rights.
(e) Visitation rights may not be ordered under this section if
that would conflict with a right of custody or visitation of a birth
parent who is not a party to the proceeding.
(f) Visitation ordered pursuant to this section shall not create a
basis for or against a change of residence of the child, but shall
be one of the factors for the court to consider in ordering a change
of residence.
(g) When a court orders grandparental visitation pursuant to this
section, the court in its discretion may, based upon the relevant
circumstances of the case:
(1) Allocate the percentage of grandparental visitation between
the parents for purposes of the calculation of child support pursuant
to the statewide uniform guideline (Article 2 (commencing with
Section 4050) of Chapter 2 of Part 2 of Division 9).
(2) Notwithstanding Sections 3930 and 3951, order a parent or
grandparent to pay to the other, an amount for the support of the
child or grandchild. For purposes of this paragraph, "support" means
costs related to visitation such as any of the following:
(A) Transportation.
(B) Provision of basic expenses for the child or grandchild, such
as medical expenses, day care costs, and other necessities.
(h) As used in this section, "birth parent" means "birth parent"
as defined in Section 8512.


3104. (a) On petition to the court by a grandparent of a minor
child, the court may grant reasonable visitation rights to the
grandparent if the court does both of the following:
(1) Finds that there is a preexisting relationship between the
grandparent and the grandchild that has engendered a bond such that
visitation is in the best interest of the child.
(2) Balances the interest of the child in having visitation with
the grandparent against the right of the parents to exercise their
parental authority.
(b) A petition for visitation under this section may not be filed
while the natural or adoptive parents are married, unless one or more
of the following circumstances exist:
(1) The parents are currently living separately and apart on a
permanent or indefinite basis.
(2) One of the parents has been absent for more than one month
without the other spouse knowing the whereabouts of the absent
spouse.
(3) One of the parents joins in the petition with the
grandparents.
(4) The child is not residing with either parent.
At any time that a change of circumstances occurs such that none
of these circumstances exist, the parent or parents may move the
court to terminate grandparental visitation and the court shall grant
the termination.
(c) The petitioner shall give notice of the petition to each of
the parents of the child, any stepparent, and any person who has
physical custody of the child, by personal service pursuant to
Section 415.10 of the Code of Civil Procedure.
(d) If a protective order as defined in Section 6218 has been
directed to the grandparent during the pendency of the proceeding,
the court shall consider whether the best interest of the child
requires that any visitation by that grandparent should be denied.
(e) There is a rebuttable presumption that the visitation of a
grandparent is not in the best interest of a minor child if the
natural or adoptive parents agree that the grandparent should not be
granted visitation rights.
(f) There is a rebuttable presumption affecting the burden of
proof that the visitation of a grandparent is not in the best
interest of a minor child if the parent who has been awarded sole
legal and physical custody of the child in another proceeding or with
whom the child resides if there is currently no operative custody
order objects to visitation by the grandparent.
(g) Visitation rights may not be ordered under this section if
that would conflict with a right of custody or visitation of a birth
parent who is not a party to the proceeding.
(h) Visitation ordered pursuant to this section shall not create a
basis for or against a change of residence of the child, but shall
be one of the factors for the court to consider in ordering a change
of residence.
(i) When a court orders grandparental visitation pursuant to this
section, the court in its discretion may, based upon the relevant
circumstances of the case:
(1) Allocate the percentage of grandparental visitation between
the parents for purposes of the calculation of child support pursuant
to the statewide uniform guideline (Article 2 (commencing with
Section 4050) of Chapter 2 of Part 2 of Division 9).
(2) Notwithstanding Sections 3930 and 3951, order a parent or
grandparent to pay to the other, an amount for the support of the
child or grandchild. For purposes of this paragraph, "support" means
costs related to visitation such as any of the following:
(A) Transportation.
(B) Provision of basic expenses for the child or grandchild, such
as medical expenses, day care costs, and other necessities.
(j) As used in this section, "birth parent" means "birth parent"
as defined in Section 8512.

http://www.parentsrights.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=279&Itemid=32


I am just getting over the flu and can't handle thinking about something so complex. If anyone has reactions, knowledge, insight, or suggestions into interpreting this, please enlighten us!!!!

[MBK]

This is an intriguing part of the California Family Code. The ensuing sections appear to apply to BABIES, basically . . . but the points made in this paragraph are something to think about. Obviously, we're not talking about child support, here.

(As for the last line, although knowing one's father is important to a child's development, Jaycee knew Carl Probyn as her stepfather/ father . . . and she is no longer a child. (NB - - I guess Probyn never adopted her????!)

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=07001-08000&file=7570-7577
FAMILY.CODE
SECTION 7570-7577

7570. The Legislature hereby finds and declares as follows:
(a) There is a compelling state interest in establishing paternity
for all children. Establishing paternity is the first step toward a
child support award, which, in turn, provides children with equal
rights and access to benefits, including, but not limited to, social
security, health insurance, survivors' benefits, military benefits,
and inheritance rights. Knowledge of family medical history is often
necessary for correct medical diagnosis and treatment.
Additionally, knowing one's father is important to a child's
development.BBM

Check out the California Family Codes here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/fam_table_of_contents.html

[Imbackon]

Slayton does not have grandparent rights, so the above is moot.
He is not the legal father of JC, so he cannot be the legal grandfather.

First step would be for him to first establish himself as JC's legal father, which would be next to impossible at this point unless JC's mom went along with it.

Now days, I believe you have only a matter of months to prevent your child from being adopted by another man by signing up for something called the adoption registry. So there is legal precedent for time limits on biological father's rights. If you are the biological father of a child whose mother is married, you must assert your parentage within 2 - 3 years, depending on what state you live in, otherwise mom's husband is the presumed father and will stay that way unless challenged before the time limit.

None of these things of course existed when JC was born, so older laws would have to be invoked, which I believe is the 18 yr limit. Laws have had to be refined due to surrogacy and artificial insemination.

Since JC was born to an unwed mother, JC had no legal father, giving Slayton 18 years to become her legal father which he apparently chose not to do.

[MBK]

Slayton does not have grandparent rights, so the above is moot.
He is not the legal father of JC, so he cannot be the legal grandfather.

First step would be for him to first establish himself as JC's legal father, which would be next to impossible at this point unless JC's mom went along with it.

Now days, I believe you have only a matter of months to prevent your child from being adopted by another man by signing up for something called the adoption registry. So there is legal precedent for time limits on biological father's rights. If you are the biological father of a child whose mother is married, you must assert your parentage within 2 - 3 years, depending on what state you live in, otherwise mom's husband is the presumed father and will stay that way unless challenged before the time limit.

None of these things of course existed when JC was born, so older laws would have to be invoked, which I believe is the 18 yr limit. Laws have had to be refined due to surrogacy and artificial insemination.

Since JC was born to an unwed mother, JC had no legal father, giving Slayton 18 years to become her legal father which he apparently chose not to do.

"He is not the legal father of JC, so he cannot be the legal grandfather." THANK YOU!!!!

I wonder if he could be said, legally, to have abandoned his paternal rights way back when Jaycee was a baby.

[songline]

This may be an unusual case however, because the grandchildren were in forced confinement and therefore the absence of a relationship would be a weak argument.

Not based on history - JC was 11 and never saw him, so his History is clear.
JC is over 18 and she can tell him to go F himself if she wants to.
But JC would never curse. :)
At least it has been said that these girls do not know bad words.

They just know bad behaviour - LOL - from the SOB

[songline]

This is an intriguing part of the California Family Code. The ensuing sections appear to apply to BABIES, basically . . . but the points made in this paragraph are something to think about. Obviously, we're not talking about child support, here.

(As for the last line, although knowing one's father is important to a child's development, Jaycee knew Carl Probyn as her stepfather/ father . . . and she is no longer a child. (NB - - I guess Probyn never adopted her????!)

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=07001-08000&file=7570-7577
BBM

Check out the California Family Codes here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/fam_table_of_contents.html

JUST ONE THING!
Where was he when she was a child?
she is not a child at all - she is 29.
I can not imagine that any of the Laws that pertain
to children will work in this case.

I hope JCs mom will make the right suggestions,
Based on how she feels any of this is going.
My instincts tell me that she will have the strongest influence on JC.

[txsvicki]

I'm not sure why Jaycee would need to think of her stepdad as her own dad unless her mom gets back together with him or just at family get togethers with her half sister. She only knew him for 3 years and if the couple divorces, that could be even more confusing. Jaycee may want to know her real dad after the big farce she and her girls were subjected to for so many years. She may even want to make sure he's her real dad before getting involved with some man.

[MBK]

JUST ONE THING!
Where was he when she was a child?
she is not a child at all - she is 29.
I can not imagine that any of the Laws that pertain
to children will work here.

YES. So I am wondering just what LEGAL argument that Allred will advance here?!! This isn't a baby, and child support is hardly an issue.

What a horror. IMO, Jaycee doesn't NEED this fol-de-rol. Bio dad oughta be ashamed and focus on his own family. I think you suggested he could donate anonymously - - now, that would be admirable! If it is true that he was unable to find Terry Probyn after the birth (I think, though, he said he was unable to contact her, and I'm not sure what that means), he sure didn't pay for a private investigator to find her, or pursue claiming paternity through legal means. And now . . . I would suppose Ms. Allred is working pro bono or on a contingency basis, should he sell his "story". Ugh.

[Imbackon]

His own words were that a mutual friend told him the baby looks like him, so knowing this, he could have FOUND JC had he wanted to and established paternity at that time.
Too little, too late.
I have great interest in this (obviously) because my daughter's own father disappeared for 20 years! Even his own mother thought he was dead. I found him, thru the internet and because of this he reunited with his own family just before his mother died. In time for an inheritance even.

My daughter views my husband, now ex husband as her father since he raised her since she was 7 years old, and new him since she was 4 years old. She told her bio dad she has no need for him in her life as she already has a father.

BTW, even if JC only new Mr. Probyn from 9 yrs until she was kidnapped, my guess is that she DOES view him as her father, and hardly remembers not knowing him. How much does she remember prior to say when her mother met him? Not much my guess.

[txsvicki]

I read that Jaycee was just beginning to open up to the step dad when she was abducted. Since the two are split up, she hadn't know him long, and never knew her real dad, maybe she's better off for a good long while with just trusted women.

[songline]

YES. So I am wondering just what LEGAL argument that Allred will advance here?!! This isn't a baby, and child support is hardly an issue.

What a horror. IMO, Jaycee doesn't NEED this fol-de-rol. Bio dad oughta be ashamed and focus on his own family. I think you suggested he could donate anonymously - - now, that would be admirable! If it is true that he was unable to find Terry Probyn after the birth (I think, though, he said he was unable to contact her, and I'm not sure what that means), he sure didn't pay for a private investigator to find her, or pursue claiming paternity through legal means. And now . . . I would suppose Ms. Allred is working pro bono or on a contingency basis, should he sell his "story". Ugh.

What legal argument? she is not under 18 years of age...but now they seem to think they have grandparent rights :eek:
and I think he will exhaust that avenue.

He does not have a story to sell. it is called "Dead Beat Dad" who will buy that chit...
He did not hire an attorney to find her then, why now? His guilt? or his new found fame?
GOOD intentions it is NOT...Good intentions can be done discreetly, anonymously and he can file his intent with an attorney for the day JC is ready.

All who will work pro-bono will get so much exposure they can never pay for that much PR.
My hope is that pro-bono attorney would be in the top tier.
I Hope JC's attorney will get rid of this loser, till JC wants (if at all) any contact with him.
JC does not need this right now, but she most likely does not know because she is kept away from news.
I imagine she was told that he is interested if she wants, when ever she is ready.
IT is JC's Mom that does not need this right now. She has enough on her plate.
But I swear people are so disgusting sometimes that, I say God and his wisdom should make it so that AzzHoles that are inhumane all must go.
IMO it is inhumane what he is doing, she needs time, healing and love. She does not need emotional tugs. I have to say I did stick up for him till he lawyer ed up.

[Imbackon]

The daughters would have been what? 2 and 5 at the time. There is no way they would have understood what was going on, the youngest probably could barely even speak. And in any case, they would have had their own mother who was no relation and who likely wouldnt have been too thrilled at the prospect of confusing them at that age. Its the sort of thing that would be told to kids when they were much older, but by then Jaycee was gone and pretty much everyone assumed she was dead.


2 - 5 year olds know half sibs all the time! What a shocker to be OLDER and only then being told you have other siblings!

Borders on mental child abuse to me, and certainly would be a very selfish path for a parent to choose. Like waiting to tell adopted children they are adopted when they are like 25 years old! If my parent did such a thing to me I am afraid I would NEVER TRUST THEM AGAIN!

Unless one is trying to make contrarian points of view, just for the heckofit, well then I guess it requires they make great leaps in what would be considered socially acceptable choices.

[Natal]

Since JC was born to an unwed mother, JC had no legal father, giving Slayton 18 years to become her legal father which he apparently chose not to do.

Except that she was missing, presumed dead, for the last 18 years. That would make this case different.

[songline]

2 - 5 year olds know half sibs all the time! What a shocker to be OLDER and only then being told you have other siblings!

Borders on mental child abuse to me, and certainly would be a very selfish path for a parent to choose. Like waiting to tell adopted children they are adopted when they are like 25 years old! If my parent did such a thing to me I am afraid I would NEVER TRUST THEM AGAIN!

Unless one is trying to make contrarian points of view, just for the heckofit, well then I guess it requires they make great leaps in what would be considered socially acceptable choices.

She may become a rich girl if a movie, a book happen.
He may be standing in line for his :furious:

I can imagine him write a book:
I turned over every stone to look for her.
someone told me she looks just like me.
I was so busy with my family I had no time
to look her up and then she was gone.

IMHO nobody told him she looks like him: :furious: :loser:
He saw the posters on every TV station and newspaper. :twocents:

[Natal]

BTW, even if JC only new Mr. Probyn from 9 yrs until she was kidnapped, my guess is that she DOES view him as her father, and hardly remembers not knowing him. How much does she remember prior to say when her mother met him? Not much my guess.

Apparently not enough of a father to want to see him immediately though.

[Natal]

2 - 5 year olds know half sibs all the time! What a shocker to be OLDER and only then being told you have other siblings!

Borders on mental child abuse to me, and certainly would be a very selfish path for a parent to choose. Like waiting to tell adopted children they are adopted when they are like 25 years old! If my parent did such a thing to me I am afraid I would NEVER TRUST THEM AGAIN!

Unless one is trying to make contrarian points of view, just for the heckofit, well then I guess it requires they make great leaps in what would be considered socially acceptable choices.

Stuff like that you generally wait until kids are in their teens before you tell them. Otherwise they may not understand and certainly wouldn't have the maturity to deal with it. But, as I pointed out in a previous post, those girls had their own mother who no doubt would have had an opinion on the matter, it wouldn't have been solely up to the father.

[songline]

Except that she was missing, presumed dead, for the last 18 years. That would make this case different.

WHY?
He had 11 years of doing nothing.
In 7 more years she would have been considered adult and not in Child support years. 11 years shows HISTORY.
HE IS A DEAD BEAT DAD - A SPERM DONER.

By the way I did stick up for him till he lawyers up. He has no good intentions at all.
And JC's mom has more then enough on her plate.
If I was her I would instruct my attorney to get rid of him.

Let JC do whatever she decides whenever she decides.
And she is not in the deciding state of mind at all for a long time.

[MBK]

Do we know when Brittney Lee and Sarah Lee Slayton were told about their "half-sister"? Do we KNOW that it was just recently?

BTW, his evidence that Jaycee was given the middle name Lee after him (just like his 2 daughters) is weak at best. Lee or Leigh is a very classic middle name for girls. IMO, giving BOTH your daughters YOUR middle name smacks of a lack of imagination, if not a rather disturbing stress on PATERNITY. *cough*

As I said before, Jaycee may have issues with men right now. Who could blame her. Slayton oughta bug off, turn off the crocodile tears, fire Ms. Allred and free up her time for DESERVING clients for her FEMINIST viewpoint, and, as songline has suggested, anonymously donate to Jaycee if he's feeling guilt for spilling his sperm and skittering off.

[jjenny]

This may be an unusual case however, because the grandchildren were in forced confinement and therefore the absence of a relationship would be a weak argument.

The law looks at the best interests of the child.
Because he has no relationship with these children (no matter what reason), I find it hard to believe any judge would rule these children should be forced to visit him, or he should be allowed to visit them.

[songline]

I'm not sure why Jaycee would need to think of her stepdad as her own dad unless her mom gets back together with him or just at family get togethers with her half sister. She only knew him for 3 years and if the couple divorces, that could be even more confusing. Jaycee may want to know her real dad after the big farce she and her girls were subjected to for so many years. She may even want to make sure he's her real dad before getting involved with some man.

some say she knew him 9 years can someone please set me right?

[Natal]

Reading through the code MBK posted, my take on that is Slayton could petition for visitation rights to the grandchildren, but before he can do that he would have to establish that he is indeed the grandparent. Otherwise he would have no standing in the court - this is similar to some of the issues being discussed in the MJ case, where there is some debate about who the biological father of the kids is.

I think that is most likely the reason for what is going on,

[Natal]

The law looks at the best interests of the child.
Because he has no relationship with these children (no matter what reason), I find it hard to believe any judge would rule these children should be forced to visit him, or he should be allowed to visit them.

The kids were being held captive their entire lives, of course he wouldnt have had contact with them, and the court would consider that. Under the circumstances specific to this case, the court may decide that it is in the best interests of the children that they be provided the opportunity to know their biological kin, since it was a right denied to them by force.

[jjenny]

The kids were being held captive their entire lives, of course he wouldnt have had contact with them, and the court would consider that. Under the circumstances specific to this case, the court may decide that it is in the best interests of the children that they be provided the opportunity to know their biological kin, since it was a right denied to them by force.

Even if their mother doesn't want them to (in case she doesn't?)?
I don't see it.

[Imbackon]

Stuff like that you generally wait until kids are in their teens before you tell them. Otherwise they may not understand and certainly wouldn't have the maturity to deal with it. But, as I pointed out in a previous post, those girls had their own mother who no doubt would have had an opinion on the matter, it wouldn't have been solely up to the father.

Understanding, Maturity to deal with it? Maturity to deal with what? They have other older siblings you know.
What sort of SHAMEFUL event are you talking about since only someone who feels shame needs such things as understanding and maturity under the circumstances you are describing? Kids do not need maturity to play with and to grow to love their siblings. Quite the opposite in fact.

Mr Slayton had 11 years to establish paternity while JC was a child. He did not. Even after Jc went missing, nothing could have stopped him from trying to do same. I am sure she has not been declared legally dead, and even if she was it could not be done until years after the fact.


Poor Mr. Slayton hands tied, with an apparently selfish wife and two small children he's so worried about damaging psychologically by letting them know they have another sibling named Jaycee (never mind that he already had children that were older than JC) lets give him a parade.

[MBK]

some say she knew him 9 years can someone please set me right?

People Magazine
November 25, 1991Vol. 36No. 20
Too Cruel a Theft
By Karen S. Schneider
As Her Horrified Stepfather Looked On, Jaycee Dugard Was Stolen by Strangers

THE EARLY MORNING SUNSHINE flashed on Jaycee Dugard's blond hair, pink windbreaker and white sneakers as she headed up the long hill from her home to the school bus stop. Her mother, Terry, 32, had already driven off to work. In the garage, Carl Probyn, 43, stopped his chores to watch the little girl. Three years had passed since he married Terry, and for much of the time the child, accustomed to life alone with her mom, had resented Carl's intrusion. But in the nine months since the family had moved from Orange County, Calif., to the rural beauty of South Lake Tahoe (pop. 25,000), Carl had watched with pleasure as the quiet 11-year-old opened up to her new life, to her new baby sister, Shana, now 22 months—and especially to her new dad. BBM

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20111362,00.html

[Tizzle]

I'm confused. Could someone please post the link where the Slayton camp states they think they have grandparents rights? Because if that doesn't exist, all of the posts regarding grandparents rights are for naught.


Also, IF he were just doing this for monetary gain, what does he have to sell? He has no stories of Jaycee, no real ties to her other than genetically and obviously hasn't spoken with her since her recovery. I mean....with nothing to tell he has nothing to sell. So the accusations just make no sense.

The focus of the anger should solely rest on the shoulders of Phil n Nancy. Not a man that is just offering help in any way that he can and only if and when she is ready for it. People make mistakes, people change and people have the right to be forgiven. We, none of us, are perfect, ever.

It's not like he sought the media's attention to begin with, they sought him out. Just like Glo likely did. And what is so suspicious about him retaining counsel? Usually only suspicious when a suspect in a crime lawyers up. He simply is doing it out of necessity because of Glo's connects and because of constant harrassment by paparazzi. Anyone in their right mind, considering the days of when privacy was respected are long gone, would do the same to protect their best interest. It's not like he's filed an actual claim in an actual court. He's SIMPLY putting himself out there so when the time is right, Jaycee will know she's welcome.

Like I said before...Would the people that continue to slam this man feel better about him if he had said "I don't care about her or anything about her or those kids or her life."? Doubtful. Damned if he does, Damned if he don't.

[LinasK]

I'm confused. Could someone please post the link where the Slayton camp states they think they have grandparents rights? Because if that doesn't exist, all of the posts regarding grandparents rights are for naught.


Also, IF he were just doing this for monetary gain, what does he have to sell? He has no stories of Jaycee, no real ties to her other than genetically and obviously hasn't spoken with her since her recovery. I mean....with nothing to tell he has nothing to sell. So the accusations just make no sense.

The focus of the anger should solely rest on the shoulders of Phil n Nancy. Not a man that is just offering help in any way that he can and only if and when she is ready for it. People make mistakes, people change and people have the right to be forgiven. We, none of us, are perfect, ever.

It's not like he sought the media's attention to begin with, they sought him out. Just like Glo likely did. And what is so suspicious about him retaining counsel? Usually only suspicious when a suspect in a crime lawyers up. He simply is doing it out of necessity because of Glo's connects and because of constant harrassment by paparazzi. Anyone in their right mind, considering the days of when privacy was respected are long gone, would do the same to protect their best interest. It's not like he's filed an actual claim in an actual court. He's SIMPLY putting himself out there so when the time is right, Jaycee will know she's welcome.

Like I said before...Would the people that continue to slam this man feel better about him if he had said "I don't care about her or anything about her or those kids or her life."? Doubtful. Damned if he does, Damned if he don't.
BBM. I so completely agree!:clap::clap::clap:

[MBK]

Story from Inside Edition, snipped, read it all at: http://www.insideedition.com/storyprint.aspx?SpecialReportID=3357

Jaycee's Other Family
ORIGINAL AIRDATE: 9/8/2009

INSIDE EDITION talks to the other family of Jaycee Dugard...the one she never knew existed.

Jaycee's half-sisters and her biological father are speaking out for the first time, exclusively to INSIDE EDITION.

"We want to know her, we want her in our lives," says Brittney Slayton.


Sarrah Slayton says,"I'm just as curious as my sister is. This is all just a shock. We'd really like to know who she is."

Ken Slayton is a 64-year-old retired truck driver who lives outside Los Angeles.

He told INSIDE EDITION that 30 years ago he had a relationship with Jaycee's mom Terry that only lasted a month.

After they broke up, she told him she was pregnant with Jaycee.

Slayton says, "She told me I was the father. That's the last time that I talked to her, heard from her."

"Did you ever meet Jaycee?" asks INSIDE EDITION'S Jim Moret.

"Never met Jaycee," says Slayton.

*SNIP*

When Jaycee disappeared, Ken was married and had two other daughters, Sarrah, now 24, and Brittney, 21.

*SNIP*

"When she was abducted, obviously we were too young to understand what happened," Brittney says.


Sarrah says, "We always thought she was dead."

Then came the astonishing news that Jaycee was alive, and had been kept a prisoner in a backyard all these years, and that she has two daughters. They are Ken Slayton's granddaughters.

"It's so overwhelming I can't even deal with it," says Slayton.

*SNIP*

Now Jaycee's other family hopes they can welcome her and her two daughters into their family someday.

Moret asks, "What do you want Jaycee to know?"


"I want her to know that we're here for her when she's ready," says Brittney.

###################

IMO, I don't think it's at all right to be calling them "Jaycee's other family".

[Imbackon]

Tizzle, I understand what you are saying about forgiveness and changing. Don't get me wrong Mr. Slayton is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation, but frankly he put himself there. It is because of his poor choices years ago, that brought him to this place.

He should have gone about this WITHOUT A HIGH PROFILE person like Gloria. It is probably she who called the news conference.

He could/should have gone about this in a more quiet way. Like write a letter to Ms. Probyn to let his desire to get to know JC be known.

My posts have mostly been towards people who make excuses for his delayed desire to get to know JC, or talk about rights, like grandparents rights. Rights are not the issue, and should not be the issue here. It is what is the right thing to do that should be at issue.

[Natal]

Understanding, Maturity to deal with it? Maturity to deal with what? They have other older siblings you know.
What sort of SHAMEFUL event are you talking about since only someone who feels shame needs such things as understanding and maturity under the circumstances you are describing? Kids do not need maturity to play with and to grow to love their siblings. Quite the opposite in fact.


So, you are saying that they are going to be understanding and not be confused at all when they are told that they have this sister, who lives somewhere else on the other side of the state and has a different mommy? Sorry bud, the real world doesnt work that way. If I was in that situation there is absolutely NO way that I would have that conversation with my kids until they were old enough. To do so is irresponsible in the extreme.

[Natal]

IMO, I don't think it's at all right to be calling them "Jaycee's other family".

Except that that is exactly what they are, like it or not.

[Natal]

He could/should have gone about this in a more quiet way. Like write a letter to Ms. Probyn to let his desire to get to know JC be known.


He may not have had faith that such a message would have been passed on. The fact that they are having this apparent legal dispute at all sort of suggests some kind of disaggreement took place regarding paternity.

[Imbackon]

So, you are saying that they are going to be understanding and not be confused at all when they are told that they have this sister, who lives somewhere else on the other side of the state and has a different mommy? Sorry bud, the real world doesnt work that way. If I was in that situation there is absolutely NO way that I would have that conversation with my kids until they were old enough. To do so is irresponsible in the extreme.


Bud? I am no Bud so please don't refer to me as bud.
So in your world children become BIG FAMILY SECRETS apparently because it is sooooo confusing and shameful.

I have two half siblings. Each of them are half siblings to eachother, but we grew up in the same home and I never considered them half, but always knew they had different fathers from my own. Each of them also has half sibling, who lived in different states with different mothers.
None of this was a secret or a big deal, and frankly if I grew up not knowing the truth about any of this, only to be told when I was older, I would have felt betrayed.

Blended and split up families are a fact of life. Always have been in fact. Years ago, often a mother or father died young, and wound up half siblings with COUSINS even because dad married mom's sister, or visa versa. So what, it is not a crime for cripes sake, why make it out to be one.

It is so transparent that you are motivated for an an excuse as to why Mr. Slayton never established parentage for JC.

He did not want to pay child support for a child he had with a woman he barely knew and decided to walk away. Big deal, happens every day, and now am sure sure he probably regrets his prior actions.

Yeah, that's the ticket, I lied to my kids about having another family FOR THEIR OWN SAKE. ha ha ha

[MBK]

Except that that is exactly what they are, like it or not.

To me, calling them "Jaycee's other family" implied a level of closeness that is not there yet. That Sarrah and Brittney are on a par, on the same level, as her immediate family. Yes, I know they are related, and so they are family. But it is up to Jaycee what level of closeness to allow.

Jaycee is most likely wary about people she will allow into her life, relatives or not. Even women are not necessarily safe, as Nancy was hardly her ally . . .

She may, however, also be influenced by her mother's feelings and opinions about this man Ken Slayton. And so even as I write that it's up to her, I would hazard that . .. it's really not . . . and this goes for lots of things.

[songline]

Tizzle, I understand what you are saying about forgiveness and changing. Don't get me wrong Mr. Slayton is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation, but frankly he put himself there. It is because of his poor choices years ago, that brought him to this place.

He should have gone about this WITHOUT A HIGH PROFILE person like Gloria. It is probably she who called the news conference.

He could/should have gone about this in a more quiet way. Like write a letter to Ms. Probyn to let his desire to get to know JC be known.

My posts have mostly been towards people who make excuses for his delayed desire to get to know JC, or talk about rights, like grandparents rights. Rights are not the issue, and should not be the issue here. It is what is the right thing to do that should be at issue.
H$E IS A DEAD BEAT LOO$ER. with $ighnS in hi$ eye$
HE HAD 11 YEARS. Did nothing.
WHY NOW...?
Really bad timing...I stood up for him till he lawyerd up.
That is not a need for good intentions.
good can be done discreetly, and anonymously.
SORRY but I do not wish him well...

[songline]

To me, calling them "Jaycee's other family" implied a level of closeness that is not there yet. That Sarrah and Brittney are on a par, on the same level, as her immediate family. Yes, I know they are related, and so they are family. But it is up to Jaycee what level of closeness to allow.

Jaycee is most likely wary about people she will allow into her life, relatives or not. Even women are not necessarily safe, as Nancy was hardly her ally . . .

She may, however, also be influenced by her mother's feelings and opinions about this man Ken Slayton. And so even as I write that it's up to her, I would hazard that . .. it's really not . . . and this goes for lots of things.
It is not her family at all.
He has a chance here to get his daughter's famous too.

If she is influenced by her Mom so be it.
He is a sperm Donner.
A good man does not do this at this very sensitive time.

[Stephens]

I wonder what Slayton did, if anything, to help find Jaycee in 1991 and afterwards? I'm guessing: not much (Answering some basic questions as to where you were when the kidnapping occurred by law enforcement doesn't count for much). To me, that would be much worse than this latest stunt.

The man--and the rest of his family who stood in support during the press call--have no scruples at all. For the life of me, I cannot understand how someone could do such a thing to a stranger, let alone their own child. It boggles the mind.

[songline]

Tizzle, I understand what you are saying about forgiveness and changing. Don't get me wrong Mr. Slayton is in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation, but frankly he put himself there. It is because of his poor choices years ago, that brought him to this place.

He should have gone about this WITHOUT A HIGH PROFILE person like Gloria. It is probably she who called the news conference.

He could/should have gone about this in a more quiet way. Like write a letter to Ms. Probyn to let his desire to get to know JC be known.

My posts have mostly been towards people who make excuses for his delayed desire to get to know JC, or talk about rights, like grandparents rights. Rights are not the issue, and should not be the issue here. It is what is the right thing to do that should be at issue.
I did send her an e-mail...I wonder if she will reply. I was not complementary at all.
I gave her my BIG New York mouth, :) I know how to be nice too, I sent JCs lawyer a very nice e-mail.

She is starting to remind me of that other media whore OPRI, the one on the ANS case Larry's Lawyer. Nobody is interested in her now.
this is what this one is working up to I think :waitasec:

[songline]

I am sick of this :loser: :loser: :loser:
I was on his side, and I am really over him.
I find him dispicabel.
His timing, his method, his intentions suck.

GOOD intentions do not look this way at all.
How many people do good deeds anonymously, discreetly, with pure heart.
Nothing is pure about this.
He did not make 1/10000 of this commotion for 11 years.

He can go to hell.....I do not need to read this anymore, I just get really :furious:

she is so vulnerable right now, and her mom has so much on her plate.
This is what he does? :butthead: @#$%&*! :censored:
He need to go on a very long walk on a very short pier.

[songline]

Do we know when Brittney Lee and Sarah Lee Slayton were told about their "half-sister"? Do we KNOW that it was just recently?

BTW, his evidence that Jaycee was given the middle name Lee after him (just like his 2 daughters) is weak at best. Lee or Leigh is a very classic middle name for girls. IMO, giving BOTH your daughters YOUR middle name smacks of a lack of imagination, if not a rather disturbing stress on PATERNITY. *cough*
As I said before, Jaycee may have issues with men right now. Who could blame her. Slayton oughta bug off, turn off the crocodile tears, fire Ms. Allred and free up her time for DESERVING clients for her FEMINIST viewpoint, and, as songline has suggested, anonymously donate to Jaycee if he's feeling guilt for spilling his sperm and skittering off.
BBM
TO me he is just another me, me,me, me A hole.
that is why they may have his middle name.
When JC was born to 11 she couldn't do anything for him.
NOW her fame can...He is rubbing up against it for the me, me, me factor.
Forget "imagination"...That is far too sophisticated a thought.

[kbl8201]

BBM
TO me he is just another me, me,me, me A hole.
that is why they may have his middle name.
When JC was born to 11 she couldn't do anything for him.
NOW her fame can...He is rubbing up against it for the me, me, me factor.
Forget "imagination"...That is far too sophisticated a thought.

song you summed up my feelings perfectly. must be the northeastern connection (im from mass lol). no one can convince me this guys motives are pure or even decent............he had from the time terry told him she was pregnant (summer of 79) to the time jaycee was stolen (june 91) to get involved here........he didnt. now he wants to play daddy and grampa 3 decades later. it is, of course, up to jaycee. but in the end he is not good for her. thats my opinion

[kbl8201]

Story from Inside Edition, snipped, read it all at: http://www.insideedition.com/storyprint.aspx?SpecialReportID=3357

Jaycee's Other Family
ORIGINAL AIRDATE: 9/8/2009

INSIDE EDITION talks to the other family of Jaycee Dugard...the one she never knew existed.

Jaycee's half-sisters and her biological father are speaking out for the first time, exclusively to INSIDE EDITION.

"We want to know her, we want her in our lives," says Brittney Slayton.


Sarrah Slayton says,"I'm just as curious as my sister is. This is all just a shock. We'd really like to know who she is."

Ken Slayton is a 64-year-old retired truck driver who lives outside Los Angeles.

He told INSIDE EDITION that 30 years ago he had a relationship with Jaycee's mom Terry that only lasted a month.

After they broke up, she told him she was pregnant with Jaycee.

Slayton says, "She told me I was the father. That's the last time that I talked to her, heard from her."

"Did you ever meet Jaycee?" asks INSIDE EDITION'S Jim Moret.

"Never met Jaycee," says Slayton.

*SNIP*

When Jaycee disappeared, Ken was married and had two other daughters, Sarrah, now 24, and Brittney, 21.

*SNIP*

"When she was abducted, obviously we were too young to understand what happened," Brittney says.


Sarrah says, "We always thought she was dead."

Then came the astonishing news that Jaycee was alive, and had been kept a prisoner in a backyard all these years, and that she has two daughters. They are Ken Slayton's granddaughters.

"It's so overwhelming I can't even deal with it," says Slayton.

*SNIP*

Now Jaycee's other family hopes they can welcome her and her two daughters into their family someday.

Moret asks, "What do you want Jaycee to know?"


"I want her to know that we're here for her when she's ready," says Brittney.

###################

IMO, I don't think it's at all right to be calling them "Jaycee's other family".

feel bad for these girls here actually. but there dad made this mess, not jaycee. you cant force jaycee to clean up his mess for him. if jaycee wants to connect with them then fine

[songline]

song you summed up my feelings perfectly. must be the northeastern connection (im from mass lol). no one can convince me this guys motives are pure or even decent............he had from the time terry told him she was pregnant (summer of 79) to the time jaycee was stolen (june 91) to get involved here........he didnt. now he wants to play daddy and grampa 3 decades later. it is, of course, up to jaycee. but in the end he is not good for her. thats my opinion
I totally agree, she is a vulnerable candidate for his BS. :banghead:

[songline]

feel bad for these girls here actually. but there dad made this mess, not jaycee. you cant force jaycee to clean up his mess for him. if jaycee wants to connect with them then fine

We have gone through this before.
JC is brain washed. they do not know how to want anything....
DO YOU GET THIS BASIC PART OF BRAIN WASHING 101 ?????

SOMEDAY she will know what she wants and it is a very long way off.
When JC can be centred enough to know what JC may want and not what
may be expected of her she may actually like seclusion and privacy too,
we have no idea. Neither does she.

The entire deal with the dad and his family sucks,
His timing and intentions suck.
JC and real family all have too much on their plate, "Timing is everything"
he needs to take his daughters and lay low somewhere. Disappear for a long time.
He could have used a cheep lawyer, just to make his HEART FELT intentions known,
and let them reach out when ever they are ready.
Now that would be an entirely different thing.
TAHT IS NOT WHAT HE DID, his girls need to get going too...:furious:

[Natal]

I'm pretty sure Jaycee knows what she wants. The problem is that it may not be what other people think she should want, and that is where the real damage will be done sadly.

[Natal]

We have gone through this before.
JC is brain washed. they do not know how to want anything....
DO YOU GET THIS BASIC PART OF BRAIN WASHING 101 ?????

SOMEDAY she will know what she wants and it is a very long way off.
When JC can be centred enough to know what JC may want and not what
may be expected of her she may actually like seclusion and privacy too,
we have no idea. Neither does she.

The entire deal with the dad and his family sucks,
His timing and intentions suck.
JC and real family all have too much on their plate, "Timing is everything"
he needs to take his daughters and lay low somewhere. Disappear for a long time.
He could have used a cheep lawyer, just to make his HEART FELT intentions known,
and let them reach out when ever they are ready.
Now that would be an entirely different thing.
TAHT IS NOT WHAT HE DID, his girls need to get going too...:furious:

Well now, don't you have it all planned out.....;)

[songline]

I wonder what Slayton did, if anything, to help find Jaycee in 1991 and afterwards? I'm guessing: not much (Answering some basic questions as to where you were when the kidnapping occurred by law enforcement doesn't count for much). To me, that would be much worse than this latest stunt.

The man--and the rest of his family who stood in support during the press call--have no scruples at all. For the life of me, I cannot understand how someone could do such a thing to a stranger, let alone their own child. It boggles the mind.
I wonder if Terry ever cursed the day she met him, he is bad news.

This SOB wants something but what is it.
He can just be the final cause to make JC hate men. :furious:
and delay her healing even more. :furious:

She is beautiful, strong and courageous, but vulnerable;
HE has no heart to put himself upon her at this time.
She is far too fragile to have this go on...

But she has a good lawyer, I trust that Mr. McGregor will
impress on this A hole that "all in good time buddy"

[kbl8201]

We have gone through this before.
JC is brain washed. they do not know how to want anything....
DO YOU GET THIS BASIC PART OF BRAIN WASHING 101 ?????

SOMEDAY she will know what she wants and it is a very long way off.
When JC can be centred enough to know what JC may want and not what
may be expected of her she may actually like seclusion and privacy too,
we have no idea. Neither does she.

The entire deal with the dad and his family sucks,
His timing and intentions suck.
JC and real family all have too much on their plate, "Timing is everything"
he needs to take his daughters and lay low somewhere. Disappear for a long time.
He could have used a cheep lawyer, just to make his HEART FELT intentions known,
and let them reach out when ever they are ready.
Now that would be an entirely different thing.
TAHT IS NOT WHAT HE DID, his girls need to get going too...:furious:

i know where your coming from song but i cant blame his kids for the sins of the father. they really were cheated out of a sister......but not by garrido, by there own father

[kbl8201]

I wonder if Terry ever cursed the day she met him, he is bad news.

This SOB wants something but what is it.
He can just be the final cause to make JC hate men. :furious:
and delay her healing even more. :furious:

She is beautiful, strong and courageous, but vulnerable;
HE has no heart to put himself upon her at this time.
She is far too fragile to have this go on...

But she has a good lawyer, I trust that Mr. McGregor will
impress on this A hole that "all in good time buddy"

if he doesnt back off id suggest a restraining order
im not joking either. let jaycee be until/if she's ready.

[songline]

I'm pretty sure Jaycee knows what she wants. The problem is that it may not be what other people think she should want, and that is where the real damage will be done sadly.
You know
How the mind works :waitasec:
How long it takes for brainwahsing to heal :waitasec:

Did you ever work with traumtized people?
NOT!
that I am certain, because I have.

[songline]

i know where your coming from song but i cant blame his kids for the sins of the father. they really were cheated out of a sister......but not by garrido, by there own father

I DONT CARE....
There are priorities in this world.
JAYCEE AND THE GIRLS are the only PRIORITY.
The rest of the me, me, Me's have to Waite till JC heals,
and it has to be on JC time. and it is not now.

I do not care what they want it is not a life or death
illness to meet the famous sister. :furious:
NO!
JC and the girls FIRST.and FORMOST
They did not wait and think of her for 29 years.
what is the hurry, where is the urgency?
They WILL WAITE!

[mysteriew]

If he is trying to force a paternity test on her at this point in her life, he is doing the worst thing in the world he can do. But probably the best thing for her.

If he was wanting to be a caring parent for her, he would have waited until she had had a chance to 'catch her breath' then he would have approached her. But by forcing the issue, and by making it public, then he is sure to drive her away.

What legal grounds does he have for trying to force the paternity test on her? Is he planning on paying back child support? Past birth and medical expenses? And the court may have the right to order them if they do order the paternity test. So I wouldn't worry too much about the testing process. It isn't helping his case any.

[kbl8201]

I wonder if Terry ever cursed the day she met him, he is bad news.

This SOB wants something but what is it.
He can just be the final cause to make JC hate men. :furious:
and delay her healing even more. :furious:

She is beautiful, strong and courageous, but vulnerable;
HE has no heart to put himself upon her at this time.
She is far too fragile to have this go on...

But she has a good lawyer, I trust that Mr. McGregor will
impress on this A hole that "all in good time buddy"

btw song theres a paradox when you say "wonder if terry ever cursed the day she met him".
if they never met she wouldnt ever have had this incredibly beuifal, strong, brave, amazing young woman.......never have experienced the wonders of her early years and never be able to reconnect now. so for at least one thing, ken slayton is not a total waste........

[songline]

btw song theres a paradox when you say "wonder if terry ever cursed the day she met him".
if they never met she wouldnt ever have had this incredibly beuifal, strong, brave, amazing young woman.......never have experienced the wonders of her early years and never be able to reconnect now. so for at least one thing, ken slayton is not a total waste........
I am sorry honey but he really is.

JC is a hero just because she is.
Just like Mother Theresa was just the way she was...

I know whatever does not kill you will makes you stronger.
I am not so sure anybody needs to be THAT strong. :(

PLEASE DONT MAKE ME PUKE he had 11 years to find her and he did not make 1/100000
of the commotion he is making now....So PLEEEEZE I am getting nauseous, from his good guy.

[kbl8201]

You know why are u losing focus here. The true story is Jaycee being found? I really could care less about her Bio dad. But if Jaycee is his he should alsdo have rights.

im hardly losing focus. if yuo noticed the varying posts i've made on the jaycee section i have covered numerous aspects of this case.........

[kbl8201]

I am sorry honey but he really is.

JC is a hero just because she is.
Just like Mother Theresa was just the way she was...

I know whatever does not kill you will makes you stronger.
I am not so sure anybody needs to be THAT strong. :(

PLEASE DONT MAKE ME PUKE he had 11 years to find her and he did not make 1/100000
of the commotion he is making now....So PLEEEEZE I am getting nauseous, from his good guy.

song i am with you a 100 percent.
hes upsetting her life for no reason that anyone on this board can justify to me without me lauhing in there face..........seriousy if he wants to take this to court though, he will be shown to be the two bit loser he is, the punk who abandoned his daughter for 12 years......didnt visit, didnt pay child support, and then came running back when he got dollar signs in his eyes

[mysteriew]

The kids were being held captive their entire lives, of course he wouldnt have had contact with them, and the court would consider that. Under the circumstances specific to this case, the court may decide that it is in the best interests of the children that they be provided the opportunity to know their biological kin, since it was a right denied to them by force.

I think Aldred is primarily there as a negotiator. Hoping that her name will get her heard so that she can make the daddy wanna be's plea heard.

IMO He is a fool for bringing up the issue now. I can see him maybe wanting to connect with Jaycee at some point. But he is a fool for bringing it up now and not waiting until she had had a chance to 'get a breath.' If he was wanting to be a caring concerned person in her life, he would get her the message then sit back and wait until/if she reached out to him. He would be understanding as to everything she was going through and would wait until/if she was ready to cope with this. But the way he is doing it, IMO he is giving every appearance of just wanting to cash in on her 'fifteen minutes of fame'.

But let's say she takes this to court. And let's say the court agrees to hear th paternity issues. Is he willing to man up and pay back child support for Jaycee? And back medical care? The court may be able to order that. Then we get to grandparents rights. The court would have to show that it was in grandkids best interests to order the grandaddy wanna be some visitation. He will have show that he was being 'responsible' as a parent to Jaycee (paying child support), explain why Jaycee didn't see him before she was abducted. And then he would still have to prove why it was in the grandkids best interest to overrule their parents. IOW he would need to show the kids were at risk if he wasn't involved in their lives.

Still someday Jaycee may want to meet the sperm donor. And if she does, that is her right and her choice. Many adopted kids eventually want to meet their bio parents and this is no different. But he made the choice to not be involved in her life when she was a baby. Two strangers made that choice for her 18 years ago when she was 11. Finally, it is her choice. And it should finally be her choice as to if she wishes to and when she would like to.

[kbl8201]

I think Aldred is primarily there as a negotiator. Hoping that her name will get her heard so that she can make the daddy wanna be's plea heard.

IMO He is a fool for bringing up the issue now. I can see him maybe wanting to connect with Jaycee at some point. But he is a fool for bringing it up now and not waiting until she had had a chance to 'get a breath.' If he was wanting to be a caring concerned person in her life, he would get her the message then sit back and wait until/if she reached out to him. He would be understanding as to everything she was going through and would wait until/if she was ready to cope with this. But the way he is doing it, IMO he is giving every appearance of just wanting to cash in on her 'fifteen minutes of fame'.

But let's say she takes this to court. And let's say the court agrees to hear th paternity issues. Is he willing to man up and pay back child support for Jaycee? And back medical care? The court may be able to order that. Then we get to grandparents rights. The court would have to show that it was in grandkids best interests to order the grandaddy wanna be some visitation. He will have show that he was being 'responsible' as a parent to Jaycee (paying child support), explain why Jaycee didn't see him before she was abducted. And then he would still have to prove why it was in the grandkids best interest to overrule their parents. IOW he would need to show the kids were at risk if he wasn't involved in their lives.

Still someday Jaycee may want to meet the sperm donor. And if she does, that is her right and her choice. Many adopted kids eventually want to meet their bio parents and this is no different. But he made the choice to not be involved in her life when she was a baby. Two strangers made that choice for her 18 years ago when she was 11. Finally, it is her choice. And it should finally be her choice as to if she wishes to and when she would like to.

very well said. he blew it 30 years ago now he thinks he can just waltz back in......if jaycee wants to reconnect with him, and her half sisters, thats her choice. you cant force her to do it. and grandparent rights here is a joke.........he wasnt a parent to her, why does he get to play grandparent to them?

[songline]

I think Aldred is primarily there as a negotiator. Hoping that her name will get her heard so that she can make the daddy wanna be's plea heard.

IMO He is a fool for bringing up the issue now. I can see him maybe wanting to connect with Jaycee at some point. But he is a fool for bringing it up now and not waiting until she had had a chance to 'get a breath.' If he was wanting to be a caring concerned person in her life, he would get her the message then sit back and wait until/if she reached out to him. He would be understanding as to everything she was going through and would wait until/if she was ready to cope with this. But the way he is doing it, IMO he is giving every appearance of just wanting to cash in on her 'fifteen minutes of fame'.

But let's say she takes this to court. And let's say the court agrees to hear th paternity issues. Is he willing to man up and pay back child support for Jaycee? And back medical care? The court may be able to order that. Then we get to grandparents rights. The court would have to show that it was in grandkids best interests to order the grandaddy wanna be some visitation. He will have show that he was being 'responsible' as a parent to Jaycee (paying child support), explain why Jaycee didn't see him before she was abducted. And then he would still have to prove why it was in the grandkids best interest to overrule their parents. IOW he would need to show the kids were at risk if he wasn't involved in their lives.

Still someday Jaycee may want to meet the sperm donor. And if she does, that is her right and her choice. Many adopted kids eventually want to meet their bio parents and this is no different. But he made the choice to not be involved in her life when she was a baby. Two strangers made that choice for her 18 years ago when she was 11. Finally, it is her choice. And it should finally be her choice as to if she wishes to and when she would like to.

BBM :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: You got his name right !

Good Post... :blowkiss:

But Gloria is not just a negotiator, she is becoming the new Opri.
The Media Whors.

[kbl8201]

BBM :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: You got his name right !

Good Post... :blowkiss:

But Gloria is not just a negotiator, she is becoming the new Opri.
The Media Whors.

sperm donor is even to nice of a name for him

[songline]

very well said. he blew it 30 years ago now he thinks he can just waltz back in......if jaycee wants to reconnect with him, and her half sisters, thats her choice. you cant force her to do it. and grandparent rights here is a joke.........he wasnt a parent to her, why does he get to play grandparent to them?

JUST A THEORY:
this is where he may be coming from?
He is a Truck Driver - lets face it they can live well, but they are just Middle Class at the very best.
He is thinking even a bad book is a chance at some money.
Now he has to fill in the blanks, lots of blanks, lots and lots of that.....
But first he has to get a lawyer, it does not matter that the situation is sensitive,
he has to insert his will, and his rights, and his command because even a bad book
will sell on a high profile.

(Possible book - my version).

HE finds Out his old flame is Pregnant. He must be rubbing
his forehead a little and saying.... well that is interesting...
JC is born but he does not know when.
JC has a first BD but he does not remember
JC has a second BD but he doesn't remember
JC has a third BD but he doesn't remember
JC gets teeth and smiles walks, talks, dances, runs,
plays, but he would not know.
Some point he has 2 other kids and a busy life.
in the mean time.......
JC has a 4,5,6,7,8,910,11BD but he cant remember
JC is abducted and he sees her on TV and yells
"WOW she looks just like ME" (Self Centered A Hole)
JC is returned 18 years later, WOW! She touches the worlds heart
She is now high profile. "HE REMEMBERS"
I am her father he screams and yells, I will huff and puff
and tear the house down; she looks just like me.

Oh you want more....
that is it! chapter 1-29 of his book.
:loser:

He needs to be ignored.

[kbl8201]

JUST A THEORY:
this is where he may be coming from?
He is a Truck Driver - lets face it they can live well, but they are just Middle Class at the very best.
He is thinking even a bad book is a chance at some money.
Now he has to fill in the blanks, lots of blanks, lots and lots of that.....
But first he has to get a lawyer, it does not matter that the situation is sensitive,
he has to insert his will, and his rights, and his command because even a bad book
will sell on a high profile.

(Possible book - my version).

HE finds Out his old flame is Pregnant. He must be rubbing
his forehead a little and saying.... well that is interesting...
JC is born but he does not know when.
JC has a first BD but he does not remember
JC has a second BD but he doesn't remember
JC has a third BD but he doesn't remember
JC gets teeth and smiles walks, talks, dances, runs,
plays, but he would not know.
Some point he has 2 other kids and a busy life.
in the mean time.......
JC has a 4,5,6,7,8,910,11BD but he cant remember
JC is abducted and he sees her on TV and yells
"WOW she looks just like ME" (Self Centered A Hole)
JC is returned 18 years later, WOW! She touches the worlds heart
She is now high profile. "HE REMEMBERS"
I am her father he screams and yells, I will huff and puff
and tear the house down; she looks just like me.

Oh you want more....
that is it! chapter 1-29 of his book.
:loser:

He needs to be ignored.

im probably gonna get it for making the comparison.............
but "he wants to cotrol her situation" doesnt that sound a little like the bastard she just spent the last 18 years with? :banghead:

[LillyRush]

This paternity test thing is quite interesting and, I might add, not exactly the best timing. I've been working late, so I'm not caught up on everything here.

I'm curious though, do we know for a fact that it's the bio dad who got the ball rolling with the whole paternity test issue? What I mean is, maybe it's Jaycee who asked him to take the paternity test after he started speaking to the media and identifying himself as her father. I mean, honestly, it doesn't sound like Terry knew him very well and Jaycee might want to be absolutely certain that he is the guy.

I'm too tired to think of another way to word that without it sounding awful. lol So I apologize. But, really, I am just curious if we know for sure who started the whole idea about proving paternity. His choice of an attorney (Allred) is interesting too. I always thought she was sort of more about helping out women victims, but I guess she's changing her clientele?:waitasec:

[kbl8201]

This paternity test thing is quite interesting and, I might add, not exactly the best timing. I've been working late, so I'm not caught up on everything here.

I'm curious though, do we know for a fact that it's the bio dad who got the ball rolling with the whole paternity test issue? What I mean is, maybe it's Jaycee who asked him to take the paternity test after he started speaking to the media and identifying himself as her father. I mean, honestly, it doesn't sound like Terry knew him very well and Jaycee might want to be absolutely certain that he is the guy.

I'm too tired to think of another way to word that without it sounding awful. lol So I apologize. But, really, I am just curious if we know for sure who started the whole idea about proving paternity. His choice of an attorney (Allred) is interesting too. I always thought she was sort of more about helping out women victims, but I guess she's changing her clientele?:waitasec:

i doubt it. his lawyer wouldnt be referring to 'forced to take legal action" if it was jaycee looking to make contact with him. i think they both need a wakeup call to see how bad they are acting (bio dad and his witch lawyer i mean)

[LillyRush]

Ok, forget what I just said LOL...I just finished watching the abc news "news conference" video with him and Allred, which our member named Stephens posted on page 4 (or so). Thanks, Stephens!

Wow, that was interesting. His emotions do seem genuine, but his timing is really, really, really bad.

[kbl8201]

Ok, forget what I just said LOL...I just finished watching the abc news "news conference" video with him and Allred, which our member named Stephens posted on page 4 (or so). Thanks, Stephens!

Wow, that was interesting. His emotions do seem genuine, but his timing is really, really, really bad.

if im wrong about him, which i doubt, and his emotions really are genuine, which i doubt, then he needs to back off and let jaycee decide what she wants to do. theres a lot of discussion about jaycee possibly having to face garrido at trial.........why does this jxxx feel the need to put himself up as an adversery?

[LillyRush]

if im wrong about him, which i doubt, and his emotions really are genuine, which i doubt, then he needs to back off and let jaycee decide what she wants to do. theres a lot of discussion about jaycee possibly having to face garrido at trial.........why does this jackass feel the need to put himself up as an adversery?

I'm not saying he really is genuine, just that he seemed at least somewhat genuine. But, again, I have no idea and the only thing I've seen of him is that video from abc news posted here that I just watched 5 minutes ago.

I thought his choice of words was interesting in some sections, like where he is talking about wanting his family to give her the love and support that she hasn't had in 18 years and how they are "waiting for her call". The cynical part of me is thinking, yeah I'm sure Jaycee or her mother Susan was probably thinking the same thing for at least the first 11-12 years of her life. So, yeah, I am definitely not buying this whole long lost dad thing either at least not right off the bat.

Also, I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of Gloria Allred. She seems to like to find secondary victims in these types of situations and drum up so much media attention that it begins to overshadow the true victim(s) (ala the amber frey fiasco).

[meep meep]

I know the man is upset but his speech is slurred and I don't wonder if he hasn't had a mild stroke recently or suffered a head injury perhaps? Maybe he is thinking strictly finite, of Jaycee's future. He wants to put her in the will... of course meet up with her. None of us knows how much of a chance he had to do that before she was abducted.

He hasn't actually done anything other than engage Allred. That's a choice he may live to regret. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, as do all the players in this unusual situation. The only criminals here are Phillip and Nancy Garrido.

[kbl8201]

I'm not saying he really is genuine, just that he seemed at least somewhat genuine. But, again, I have no idea and the only thing I've seen of him is that video from abc news posted here that I just watched 5 minutes ago.

I thought his choice of words was interesting in some sections, like where he is talking about wanting his family to give her the love and support that she hasn't had in 18 years and how they are "waiting for her call". The cynical part of me is thinking, yeah I'm sure Jaycee or her mother Susan was probably thinking the same thing for at least the first 11-12 years of her life. So, yeah, I am definitely not buying this whole long lost dad thing either at least not right off the bat.

Also, I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of Gloria Allred. She seems to like to find secondary victims in these types of situations and drum up so much media attention that it begins to overshadow the true victim(s) (ala the amber frey fiasco).

this is what kills me. and like i said, i have personal experience with paternal abandoment so i know where jaycee is coming from here, is he didnt care abotu her 30 years ago, didnt care about her 20 years ago, didnt care if she was still alive 10 years ago, but now he's gonna be there for her.......what a joke

[LillyRush]

I need to correct Jaycee's mother's name...I called her Susan in that last post. Her name is Terry. Sorry, I knew that! But, the abc news article that had the video with bio dad referred to her as Susan and that got me confused. Come to think of it, that is interesting that abc news referred to her by the wrong name. I wonder if that is their error or if Ken Slayton is referring to her by the wrong name? What a mess!


Slayton, 63, believes he is Dugard's biological father. The Vietnam vet claims he had a brief affair with Jaycee's mother Susan Dugard (http://search.abclocal.go.com/search/results?station=kabc&search=siteSearch&q=Susan+Dugard) in August 1979 at Lake Havasu. She later told him she was pregnant.

"Ken and Susan lost contact and about one year later, a friend told Ken that Susan had given birth to the baby and that the baby looked like Ken," said attorney Gloria Allred.


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7029846

[kbl8201]

I need to correct Jaycee's mother's name...I called her Susan in that last post. Her name is Terry. Sorry, I knew that! But, the abc news article that had the video with bio dad referred to her as Susan and that got me confused. Come to think of it, that is interesting that abc news referred to her by the wrong name. I wonder if that is their error or if Ken Slayton is referring to her by the wrong name? What a mess!



http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7029846

well apperently it was the lawyer calling her susan. good maybe they'll serve the wrong people with there horse manure court order they might want

[mysteriew]

I know the man is upset but his speech is slurred and I don't wonder if he hasn't had a mild stroke recently or suffered a head injury perhaps? Maybe he is thinking strictly finite, of Casey's future. He wants to put her in the will... of course meet up with her. None of us knows how much of a chance he had to do that before she was abducted.

He hasn't actually done anything other than engage Allred. That's a choice he may live to regret. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, as do all the players in this unusual situation. The only criminals here are Phillip and Nancy Garrido.

LOL you are so nice. I've wondered about a possible drug/alcohol problem. That would kinda explain the self centered attitude and some of the other behaviors as well as the slurring.

[kbl8201]

LOL you are so nice. I've wondered about a possible drug/alcohol problem. That would kinda explain the self centered attitude and some of the other behaviors as well as the slurring.

yup drugs and alchohol........just the "role model' jaycee and the girls are looking for!!! :banghead:

[mysteriew]

im probably gonna get it for making the comparison.............
but "he wants to cotrol her situation" doesnt that sound a little like the ----- she just spent the last 18 years with? :banghead:

Yes that thought crossed my mind also. From the age of birth to age 11 he wasn't interested and her mother made her decisions. From the age of 11 to age of 18, two strangers made her decisions for her. At the age of 18 when she attained majority, two strangers were still making decisions for her. And now she has gotten out, and another stranger wants to take over making decisions for her. But this stranger has a nebulous claim to being to being the contributor of her second X chromasome.

[kbl8201]

Yes that thought crossed my mind also. From the age of birth to age 11 he wasn't interested and her mother made her decisions. From the age of 11 to age of 18, two strangers made her decisions for her. At the age of 18 when she attained majority, two strangers were still making decisions for her. And now she has gotten out, and another stranger wants to take over making decisions for her. But this stranger has a nebulous claim to being to being the contributor of her second X chromasome.

i cant say how he raised his own kids cause i dont know. all i know for sure is he didnt raise jaycee, didnt visit her, didnt offer her finacial or emotional support and sure as hell didnt do anything but drop sperm between blankets. he's not her 'dad' nor is he the girls "gramps". dna means nothing when you lack where it matters........in your heart, in your soul

[Natal]

very well said. he blew it 30 years ago now he thinks he can just waltz back in......if jaycee wants to reconnect with him, and her half sisters, thats her choice. you cant force her to do it. and grandparent rights here is a joke.........he wasnt a parent to her, why does he get to play grandparent to them?

I would guess maybe for the benefit of his daughters?

If they don't get the chance to connect with their nieces now, the familial bond will likely never be forged, so it is kind of important. At this point in their lives the girls are connecting with their relatives on their mothers side as a blank slate, if some of those relatives are excluded, those bonds will be lost forever. They can't be formed later.

From the point of view of the girls, they carry no baggage from the past as far as family is concerned. There is no reason why Sarah and Britney should be treated differently from Shayna in that regard, they are all Jaycee's half sisters, and none of them had any prior relationship with the nieces.

From a legal point of view, however, the Slayton girls have no standing because there is no proof that their father is Jaycee's father, other than anecdotal accounts. That IMO is the reason for all of this. I would guess that Slayton has either been ignored by the Probyns or their representatives, or told to get lost. Jaycee probably hasn't been told about all of this and since she is being kept in isolation from external news sources she would have no other way of finding out about it. So, in that situation what is Slayton supposed to do? Just let any chance of him and/or his daughters connecting with Jaycee and the two girls slide, possibly forever? But, in order for him to get past the shield around Jaycee and the kids, and ask directly, he needs to prove that he is her real father. And that is why a paternity test would be needed. With that in place he would be able to appeal directly to Jaycee (since she is an adult and not subject to parental consent), and not her mother, who is likely not very sympathetic to him.

[Tizzle]

this is what kills me. and like i said, i have personal experience with paternal abandoment so i know where jaycee is coming from here, is he didnt care abotu her 30 years ago, didnt care about her 20 years ago, didnt care if she was still alive 10 years ago, but now he's gonna be there for her.......what a joke

NO, you DON'T know where Jaycee is coming from here. That's just it...NO ONE does, just like NO ONE knows where Ken is coming from here. I'm sorry for your situation, however, you can't possibly believe that your personal experience and Jaycee's experiences are comparable, do you? Mainly because you don't know the circumstances surrounding his uninvolvement in her childhood. TERRY MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WANTED IT THAT WAY! Do you know for a fact that he was pursued for involvement or financial help for Jaycee but didn't comply? Do you? Until you can verify otherwise, it's kinda ridiculous to judge Mr. Slayton so harshly for simply putting himself out there to offer his help if/when it's necessary. It's not like Terry demonstrated the best decision making skills when she got pregnant with Jaycee to begin with. It was claimed, after all, to have only been a months long "fling". And if she didn't pursue any kind of paternity judgement against him, well I'm sorry, but that just speaks volumes to me. So how can you be so certain that she isn't responsible for his having been absent? Maybe she was in another relationship, too, and didn't want to be found out?

Maybe seeing things from an objective point of view might help you. Are you perfect? Have you never made a decision in your life that you regret? Mr. Slayton is not the criminal here, Nancy n Phil are. Aim your anger towards the people deserving of it. While his timing may not be the best, his heart is in the right place, he just wants to offer his help, to show that she has more love available to her. Not so bad in my book.

I'm not saying he couldn't have pushed for more rights where Jaycee, the little girl with no daddy, is involved. He could have. He should have been there for her. But he wasn't. I don't condone being a deadbeat dad and find it repulsive, but this situation is A LOT different than your average run of the mill paternity case. Now he has a second chance to try to make it right. To me, that is a miracle. And I don't think it's right to condemn this man just yet, without ALL of the FACTS. None of which you have. All you know is what you've been told, the same as me. Calm down already....

[Tizzle]

Also, don't you think Jaycee would find it hurtful that she is thought of as nothing more than the result of "sperm between blankets"? Maybe the "sperm donor" and other insulting comments should be kept to a minimum. I was offended and I'm not even the result of "a sperm donor" as you say.

[Tizzle]

BRAVO, NATAL!!! Well put, Thanks.

[JBean]

I know this is a hot topic and emotional. But please, be respectful to one another and name calling of the players just doesn't add to constructive discussion. thanks.
Take 5 if this is gettin' ya worked up.

[songline]

This paternity test thing is quite interesting and, I might add, not exactly the best timing. I've been working late, so I'm not caught up on everything here.

I'm curious though, do we know for a fact that it's the bio dad who got the ball rolling with the whole paternity test issue? What I mean is, maybe it's Jaycee who asked him to take the paternity test after he started speaking to the media and identifying himself as her father. I mean, honestly, it doesn't sound like Terry knew him very well and Jaycee might want to be absolutely certain that he is the guy.

I'm too tired to think of another way to word that without it sounding awful. lol So I apologize. But, really, I am just curious if we know for sure who started the whole idea about proving paternity. His choice of an attorney (Allred) is interesting too. I always thought she was sort of more about helping out women victims, but I guess she's changing her clientele?:waitasec:

He said he wants DNA or he will sue...
Nobody else could have started this....
He is a me, me, me, SOB

[songline]

NO, you DON'T know where Jaycee is coming from here. That's just it...NO ONE does, just like NO ONE knows where Ken is coming from here. I'm sorry for your situation, however, you can't possibly believe that your personal experience and Jaycee's experiences are comparable, do you? Mainly because you don't know the circumstances surrounding his uninvolvement in her childhood. TERRY MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WANTED IT THAT WAY! Do you know for a fact that he was pursued for involvement or financial help for Jaycee but didn't comply? Do you? Until you can verify otherwise, it's kinda ridiculous to judge Mr. Slayton so harshly for simply putting himself out there to offer his help if/when it's necessary. It's not like Terry demonstrated the best decision making skills when she got pregnant with Jaycee to begin with. It was claimed, after all, to have only been a months long "fling". And if she didn't pursue any kind of paternity judgement against him, well I'm sorry, but that just speaks volumes to me. So how can you be so certain that she isn't responsible for his having been absent? Maybe she was in another relationship, too, and didn't want to be found out?

Maybe seeing things from an objective point of view might help you. Are you perfect? Have you never made a decision in your life that you regret? Mr. Slayton is not the criminal here, Nancy n Phil are. Aim your anger towards the people deserving of it. While his timing may not be the best, his heart is in the right place, he just wants to offer his help, to show that she has more love available to her. Not so bad in my book.

I'm not saying he couldn't have pushed for more rights where Jaycee, the little girl with no daddy, is involved. He could have. He should have been there for her. But he wasn't. I don't condone being a deadbeat dad and find it repulsive, but this situation is A LOT different than your average run of the mill paternity case. Now he has a second chance to try to make it right. To me, that is a miracle. And I don't think it's right to condemn this man just yet, without ALL of the FACTS. None of which you have. All you know is what you've been told, the same as me. Calm down already....

IMO he is a criminal.
HOW DARE HE put himself upon her at this fragile time????
A human can make good intentions known discreetly and appropriately.
and waited for the right time. but you need a heart to do that....

[songline]

Ok, forget what I just said LOL...I just finished watching the abc news "news conference" video with him and Allred, which our member named Stephens posted on page 4 (or so). Thanks, Stephens!

Wow, that was interesting. His emotions do seem genuine, but his timing is really, really, really bad.


I can act out any emotion you want and so can you.
His timing tell the real story. One needs a heart to care about how this would effect her NOW.

[Tizzle]

Stephens, the difference between 1979-91 to today is 30 years. A LOT of changing can be done in that amount of time. And just because the today show says people close to the Dugards say it was a "cheap publicity stunt", doesn't make it that. I tend to not believe everything the news tells me. FACTS will change my mind, however, I have seen no facts saying it wasn't Terry's doing that he wasn't present in Jaycee's life and that she didn't keep her from him. That does happen, I've seen it. And no, you probably won't succeed in "trying to talk some sense into my head" because 1. I'm confident in my ability to think freely and 2. I know how to view things objectively and until there are FACTS stating otherwise I will continue to be objective. Obviously something a few here are not capable of. I like to go through life trying to see the good in people until I have solid proof that they aren't good. Makes it more peaceful for me to not be angry at people for things and events I know NOTHING about. People change, especially when 30 years have elapsed. You know that people change for the better, sometimes, don't you?

Song, could you post the clip where its said he wants DNA or will sue? I haven't seen that one yet, either.

[songline]

Stephens, the difference between 1979-91 to today is 30 years. A LOT of changing can be done in that amount of time. And just because the today show says people close to the Dugards say it was a "cheap publicity stunt", doesn't make it that. I tend to not believe everything the news tells me. FACTS will change my mind, however, I have seen no facts saying it wasn't Terry's doing that he wasn't present in Jaycee's life and that she didn't keep her from him. That does happen, I've seen it. And no, you probably won't succeed in "trying to talk some sense into my head" because 1. I'm confident in my ability to think freely and 2. I know how to view things objectively and until there are FACTS stating otherwise I will continue to be objective. Obviously something a few here are not capable of. I like to go through life trying to see the good in people until I have solid proof that they aren't good. Makes it more peaceful for me to not be angry at people for things and events I know NOTHING about. People change, especially when 30 years have elapsed. You know that people change for the better, sometimes, don't you?

Song, could you post the clip where its said he wants DNA or will sue? I haven't seen that one yet, either.

When I have time I will look for it. It is here somewhere, look and you will find.
BY the way people do not grow a heart. They just don't. Believe what you like.
I too stuck up for him at first. I stood up for Casey Anthony for a very long time too.
But I don't walk around with Rose colored glasses.
I like fair, I like just, and I am not afraid of my anger. I do not need to be a "good girl".
IMHO - I already am a good girl, and It is really OK to confront things and not be stroking.

GOOD INTENTIONS are not done this way. not at all.
These poor people: This is all they need right now..
At best he is HEARTLESS.....self serving, what is the hurry now?????????????????????????
I cant find one reason for this behaviour that is OK or caring..

Good intentions can be discreet, anonymous,
done by sending an attorney to notify good intentions
and sitting by and waiting for appropriate time.

IT WAS A CHEEP STUNT.

[Natal]

When I have time I will look for it. It is here somewhere.
BY the way people do not grow a heart. They just don't.
I too stuck up for him at first.
GOOD INTENTIONS are not done this way. not at all.
Good intentions can be discreet, anonymous, done by sending an attorney to notify good intentions and sitting by and waiting for appropriate time.

I'd be really surprised if there isn't a backstory you don't know about. This whole thing screams of it.

[songline]

I'd be really surprised if there isn't a backstory you don't know about. This whole thing screams of it.
And your posts scream of your own personal case.
therapists can read through the lines.
:)

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/man-who-says-he-is-jaycee-dugards-father-pleads-for-reunion.html
"Allred said Slayton wants to get in touch with Dugard or a family representative to arrange a private meeting and a confidential paternity test. If the family does not consent to the test, she said Slayton may take legal action."


I just searched this entire thread to find where the whole "DNA test or he'll sue" anger came from.

It came from Alred's statement, not the dad's. It also says that he wanted a confidential paternity test. Legal action doesn't just mean sueing her. If this is truely what he (bio-dad) wants, not just Allred talking, the court action could be a request for a paternity test to determine the parental rights etc.

If you were him, wouldn't you want a confidential DNA test to confirm? I would.

[LinasK]

I need to correct Jaycee's mother's name...I called her Susan in that last post. Her name is Terry. Sorry, I knew that! But, the abc news article that had the video with bio dad referred to her as Susan and that got me confused. Come to think of it, that is interesting that abc news referred to her by the wrong name. I wonder if that is their error or if Ken Slayton is referring to her by the wrong name? What a mess!



http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7029846
No you are correct, I saw in another article her real name was Terry Susan Dugard, and for awhile she went by her middle name Susan.

[Stephens]

@RainbowsandGumdrops:

Good Lord. Who do you think hired Allred? She works for Slayton (i.e. she wouldn't be demanding a paternity test unless he wanted her to). And no, if I were him, I would not be demanding that a child who I chose to abandon* and who just escaped 18 years of captivity give me proof of my paternity. I would not be demanding anything, not even a "Hello" from her considering the hellish brutality she's been through and that, to her, I'd be a total stranger. Also: he has no parental rights since Dugard is no longer a child. You can't force your own grown children to do anything, let alone a grown child you didn't bother to raise.

*For the last time: he knew about Terry Probyn's pregnancy, she told him he was the father (in addition to another person telling him the baby looks like him), and he chose not to be involved. Only now is he claiming that he was trying to look for them, but that is seriously suspect considering he had basically 12 years and how he's been acting recently (read: like a man who doesn't care about Dugard's wellbeing). The FBI informed him that Probyn identified him as the father in '91 when the girl went missing. Don't you think if he had been actively searching for Dugard when she went missing he would have mentioned it by now? Of course he would have, but he didn't because he didn't do anything. All he has to show any tie to Dugard is some old photo of Terry Probyn. Not actions that show any concern for her, just an old photo of her mother. I don't doubt he's the biological father, but he's chosen time and time again to refuse being any hint of a parent to her.

You can't force a horse to drink, but boy am I tired of beating a dead one. I'm done with this.

[kbl8201]

NO, you DON'T know where Jaycee is coming from here. That's just it...NO ONE does, just like NO ONE knows where Ken is coming from here. I'm sorry for your situation, however, you can't possibly believe that your personal experience and Jaycee's experiences are comparable, do you? Mainly because you don't know the circumstances surrounding his uninvolvement in her childhood. TERRY MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WANTED IT THAT WAY! Do you know for a fact that he was pursued for involvement or financial help for Jaycee but didn't comply? Do you? Until you can verify otherwise, it's kinda ridiculous to judge Mr. Slayton so harshly for simply putting himself out there to offer his help if/when it's necessary. It's not like Terry demonstrated the best decision making skills when she got pregnant with Jaycee to begin with. It was claimed, after all, to have only been a months long "fling". And if she didn't pursue any kind of paternity judgement against him, well I'm sorry, but that just speaks volumes to me. So how can you be so certain that she isn't responsible for his having been absent? Maybe she was in another relationship, too, and didn't want to be found out?

Maybe seeing things from an objective point of view might help you. Are you perfect? Have you never made a decision in your life that you regret? Mr. Slayton is not the criminal here, Nancy n Phil are. Aim your anger towards the people deserving of it. While his timing may not be the best, his heart is in the right place, he just wants to offer his help, to show that she has more love available to her. Not so bad in my book.

I'm not saying he couldn't have pushed for more rights where Jaycee, the little girl with no daddy, is involved. He could have. He should have been there for her. But he wasn't. I don't condone being a deadbeat dad and find it repulsive, but this situation is A LOT different than your average run of the mill paternity case. Now he has a second chance to try to make it right. To me, that is a miracle. And I don't think it's right to condemn this man just yet, without ALL of the FACTS. None of which you have. All you know is what you've been told, the same as me. Calm down already....

actually i do know where jaycee is coming from in regards to my father not seeing me for 30 years, that is not unfair comparison. and if my dad came into my life and "demanded" a paternity suit and a meeting, id tell him where to stick it. the point is, this is up to jaycee, not deadbeat bio dad............what part of that is so hard to grasp here? he wants to force her to do things his way........doesnt want to let her have time to heal. you just dont get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[songline]

@RainbowsandGumdrops:

Good Lord. Who do you think hired Allred? She works for Slayton (i.e. she wouldn't be demanding a paternity test unless he wanted her to). And no, if I were him, I would not be demanding that a child who I chose to abandon* and who just escaped 18 years of captivity give me proof of my paternity. I would not be demanding anything, not even a "Hello" from her considering the hellish brutality she's been through and that, to her, I'd be a total stranger. Also: he has no parental rights since Dugard is no longer a child. You can't force your own grown children to do anything, let alone a grown child you didn't bother to raise.

*For the last time: he knew about Terry Probyn's pregnancy, she told him he was the father (in addition to another person telling him the baby looks like him), and he chose not to be involved. Only now is he claiming that he was trying to look for them, but that is seriously suspect considering he had basically 12 years and how he's been acting recently (read: like a man who doesn't care about Dugard's wellbeing). The FBI informed him that Probyn identified him as the father in '91 when the girl went missing. Don't you think if he had been actively searching for Dugard when she went missing he would have mentioned it by now? Of course he would have, but he didn't because he didn't do anything. All he has to show any tie to Dugard is some old photo of Terry Probyn. Not actions that show any concern for her, just an old photo of her mother. I don't doubt he's the biological father, but he's chosen time and time again to refuse being any hint of a parent to her.

You can't force a horse to drink, but boy am I tired of beating a dead one. I'm done with this.


:blowkiss: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :blowkiss: Stephen, Great post.

RIGHT ON...A PERSON OF TRUE CHARACHTER ! ! ! ! ! !

Tell it like it is and keep on telling it. I am going away for a week.

And some here are truly making me ill. :sick:

[songline]

actually i do know where jaycee is coming from in regards to my father not seeing me for 30 years, that is not unfair comparison. and if my dad came into my life and "demanded" a paternity suit and a meeting, id tell him where to stick it.and you would be right the point is, this is up to Jaycee, not deadbeat bio dad............what part of that is so hard to grasp here? he wants to force her to do things his way........No different then the dad she just escaped; in some way,doesn't want to let her have time to healThat would require a heart..
you just don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people do not want to get IT.
They just want to be right.
Boy do I get sick of the strokes. :sick:

[LillyRush]

No you are correct, I saw in another article her real name was Terry Susan Dugard, and for awhile she went by her middle name Susan.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up, Linask!

[Tizzle]

actually i do know where jaycee is coming from in regards to my father not seeing me for 30 years, that is not unfair comparison. and if my dad came into my life and "demanded" a paternity suit and a meeting, id tell him where to stick it. the point is, this is up to jaycee, not deadbeat bio dad............what part of that is so hard to grasp here? he wants to force her to do things his way........doesnt want to let her have time to heal. you just dont get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know what the definitions of "force" and "demand" even are? Where are these demands you speak of? It was a REQUEST or an OFFER TO HELP, not the same as forcing or demanding....Dictionary.com Look it up. Also, I didn't say it was an unfair comparison, I said it is not a comparison at all.

[songline]

Do you know what the definitions of "force" and "demand" even are? Where are these demands you speak of? It was a REQUEST or an OFFER TO HELP, not the same as forcing or demanding....Dictionary.com Look it up. Also, I didn't say it was an unfair comparison, I said it is not a comparison at all.
Actually post #224 by Stephans is as clear as day.
If you don't subscribe to that kind of thinking, keep enabling people.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jaycee's Bio dad

kbl8201 is right
He is inappropriate, insensitive, and unkind.
Good gesturs do not look like that. He is a voyeur of the worst kind.
He... like the public is curiouse and he wants a front row seat , :sick:
but he is supposd to be related not a voyeur. Kindness does not look like what he is doing at all.

Perhapes instead of telling her to look up words in the dictionary you can get a jump start by
looking up a few.
KINDNESS, GOOD GESTURE. They do not require lawyering up. :rolleyes:

[Tizzle]

Actually post #224 by Stephans is as clear as day.
If you don't subscribe to that kind of thinking, keep enabling people.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jaycee's Bio dad (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4206859&postcount=224)

That is a quote of someone's OPINON. Where are the links that verify it was Mr. Slayton's choice alone to be absent from Jaycee's childhood? Where are the links that verify he said he'd sue for DNA? Where are the links that verify he made "demands" or is "forcing" anything? You speak of these things, but have no evidence of them. I don't need links to posts on WS, I can find those all by myself. I am, however, having trouble finding the all these horrible Slayton deeds you speak of? Besides your version of how you think things happened, I need evidence of these things to believe he is no good.

[Tizzle]

:blowkiss: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :blowkiss: Stephen, Great post.

RIGHT ON...A PERSON OF TRUE CHARACHTER ! ! ! ! ! !

Tell it like it is and keep on telling it. I am going away for a week.

And some here are truly making me ill. :sick:

I also find it interesting that you are quick to praise someone for standing up and speaking out for what they believe in...as long as it's the same as what you believe. But when someone speaks out from a different point of view, they are wrong because it doesn't align with your way of seeing things. Very interesting. You learn that from all the conseling you've done?

[Tizzle]

I definitely know the definitions of KINDNESS and GOOD GESTURE. It's my understanding of those words that gives me the ability to view the world with an open mind.

[mysteriew]

NO, you DON'T know where Jaycee is coming from here. That's just it...NO ONE does, just like NO ONE knows where Ken is coming from here. I'm sorry for your situation, however, you can't possibly believe that your personal experience and Jaycee's experiences are comparable, do you? Mainly because you don't know the circumstances surrounding his uninvolvement in her childhood. TERRY MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WANTED IT THAT WAY! Do you know for a fact that he was pursued for involvement or financial help for Jaycee but didn't comply? Do you? Until you can verify otherwise, it's kinda ridiculous to judge Mr. Slayton so harshly for simply putting himself out there to offer his help if/when it's necessary. It's not like Terry demonstrated the best decision making skills when she got pregnant with Jaycee to begin with. It was claimed, after all, to have only been a months long "fling". And if she didn't pursue any kind of paternity judgement against him, well I'm sorry, but that just speaks volumes to me. So how can you be so certain that she isn't responsible for his having been absent? Maybe she was in another relationship, too, and didn't want to be found out?

Maybe seeing things from an objective point of view might help you. Are you perfect? Have you never made a decision in your life that you regret? Mr. Slayton is not the criminal here, Nancy n Phil are. Aim your anger towards the people deserving of it. While his timing may not be the best, his heart is in the right place, he just wants to offer his help, to show that she has more love available to her. Not so bad in my book.

I'm not saying he couldn't have pushed for more rights where Jaycee, the little girl with no daddy, is involved. He could have. He should have been there for her. But he wasn't. I don't condone being a deadbeat dad and find it repulsive, but this situation is A LOT different than your average run of the mill paternity case. Now he has a second chance to try to make it right. To me, that is a miracle. And I don't think it's right to condemn this man just yet, without ALL of the FACTS. None of which you have. All you know is what you've been told, the same as me. Calm down already....

I always find it interesting when an alleged bio dad says that he would have seen his kid but the mother wouldn't let him. Then with a little probing you find out that paternity was never established. A paternity test can be requested by a prospective father. But if that test is positive they will usually be required to pay child support. That is why it is usually the mothers who end up requesting the test. If the mother doesn't request the test then the father doesn't, usually because they don't want to pay the support.

So the idea that it might have been because of the mother really doesn't apply here. He had the right to become her legal father and didn't take the steps to obtain it. Period. If he had established paternity and the mother still wouldn't let him see her, then he would have had a right to complain. But he didn't do that did he?

He may have changed at some point. But he had had 11 years to request the test and didn't. So 11 years go by and no test, but she becomes a hot media story and suddenly it is imperative that the test gets done immediately! No time to take care of the legal issues of declaring that she actually had daughters of her own that didn't legally exist. No time to get counseling to deal with the issues of her captivity. No time to get used to being an adult in a very different world than she was used to living in. No time to deal with the legal issues and preparation for prosecuting the G's. No time to think about supporting herself and her children, where they will live and all those other pesky details. NO it is imperative that she meets that long lost father, you know the one who didn't bother with becoming her father.

And let's not give her any choice in the matter. She is over 18 now and should have the legal right to make her own choices. But when she was with the G's, she didn't have a choice so she should be used to someone else making her choices for her. Why not the alleged bio dad? So no chance to catch her breath or make any choices on her own. (Sarcasm intended)

I don't know if alleged bio dad has the legal right to even take this to court. Maybe he does. But if he does, it is supposed to be in the best interest of the child. Namely the 29 year old child named Jaycee. The court could order the paternity test. But as an adult it still won't order visitation for her. And it could and should order back child support for Jaycee. That should help to establish an income for Jaycee and her children and help her to get a new start in life.

[songline]

I also find it interesting that you are quick to praise someone for standing up and speaking out for what they believe in...as long as it's the same as what you believe. But when someone speaks out from a different point of view, they are wrong because it doesn't align with your way of seeing things. Very interesting. You learn that from all the counseling you've done?
Counseling did teach me that the truth is always the truth and love is always love, and goodness is always goodness, an pure is always pure. and good character and fine principle do not sway, they too are always the same. Opinions may change, but not character.

There is not a white and black definition to kindness and self serving does not fall in the mix.
It would never include lawyer up, but it would include sensitivity to these times.
The truth is always the same it does not change.

IF it is kindness he had in mind, then he could have done thing without top dog lawyers on TV.
You do not need a lawyer to say I want to be in your life.
You just do the right things and maybe someone will want to be in your life.You send donations, you send a card that says when you are ready, you don't get a TOP DOG LAWYER and go on TV.
Especially after the first 11 years there is no hiring a cheep lawyer to find her.
HIS TIMING IS UGLY HIS METHOD IS UGLY and frankly he looks pretty bad too.
BEAUTY IS AS BEAUTY DOES.. nothing he has done shows kindness.

But then again some people are used to getting so little
that they stick up for a crumb. I do not care if you need to be right, and I sure do not care
if you have issues with me.
IF JC cares to know him for any reasoon even curiosity, it will not a relationship make.
But it will be on her terms, at her time. and he really need to go away now.
HER PLATE IS FULL AND HE WON'T BE A PRIORITY AT ALL. :) That I am certain.

[Tizzle]

I always find it interesting when an alleged bio dad says that he would have seen his kid but the mother wouldn't let him. Then with a little probing you find out that paternity was never established. A paternity test can be requested by a prospective father. But if that test is positive they will usually be required to pay child support. That is why it is usually the mothers who end up requesting the test. If the mother doesn't request the test then the father doesn't, usually because they don't want to pay the support.

So the idea that it might have been because of the mother really doesn't apply here. He had the right to become her legal father and didn't take the steps to obtain it. Period. If he had established paternity and the mother still wouldn't let him see her, then he would have had a right to complain. But he didn't do that did he?

He may have changed at some point. But he had had 11 years to request the test and didn't. So 11 years go by and no test, but she becomes a hot media story and suddenly it is imperative that the test gets done immediately! No time to take care of the legal issues of declaring that she actually had daughters of her own that didn't legally exist. No time to get counseling to deal with the issues of her captivity. No time to get used to being an adult in a very different world than she was used to living in. No time to deal with the legal issues and preparation for prosecuting the G's. No time to think about supporting herself and her children, where they will live and all those other pesky details. NO it is imperative that she meets that long lost father, you know the one who didn't bother with becoming her father.

And let's not give her any choice in the matter. She is over 18 now and should have the legal right to make her own choices. But when she was with the G's, she didn't have a choice so she should be used to someone else making her choices for her. Why not the alleged bio dad? So no chance to catch her breath or make any choices on her own. (Sarcasm intended)

I don't know if alleged bio dad has the legal right to even take this to court. Maybe he does. But if he does, it is supposed to be in the best interest of the child. Namely the 29 year old child named Jaycee. The court could order the paternity test. But as an adult it still won't order visitation for her. And it could and should order back child support for Jaycee. That should help to establish an income for Jaycee and her children and help her to get a new start in life.

1.DNA testing wasn't available then and 2. It isn't at all possible that Terry didn't want to be found? People can hide, ya know?
Also, where is it said that she isn't being given a choice? He said they would wait for her to call if and whenever she is ready. And I didn't hear anything about an immediate DNA test, I'm pretty sure he's willing to wait until she's ready for that, too. There was nothing about his voice or body language that said urgency. I saw regret, guilt and grief. But no urgency or pushing the issue. Did I miss something?

[mysteriew]

I would guess maybe for the benefit of his daughters?

If they don't get the chance to connect with their nieces now, the familial bond will likely never be forged, so it is kind of important. At this point in their lives the girls are connecting with their relatives on their mothers side as a blank slate, if some of those relatives are excluded, those bonds will be lost forever. They can't be formed later.

From the point of view of the girls, they carry no baggage from the past as far as family is concerned. There is no reason why Sarah and Britney should be treated differently from Shayna in that regard, they are all Jaycee's half sisters, and none of them had any prior relationship with the nieces.

From a legal point of view, however, the Slayton girls have no standing because there is no proof that their father is Jaycee's father, other than anecdotal accounts. That IMO is the reason for all of this. I would guess that Slayton has either been ignored by the Probyns or their representatives, or told to get lost. Jaycee probably hasn't been told about all of this and since she is being kept in isolation from external news sources she would have no other way of finding out about it. So, in that situation what is Slayton supposed to do? Just let any chance of him and/or his daughters connecting with Jaycee and the two girls slide, possibly forever? But, in order for him to get past the shield around Jaycee and the kids, and ask directly, he needs to prove that he is her real father. And that is why a paternity test would be needed. With that in place he would be able to appeal directly to Jaycee (since she is an adult and not subject to parental consent), and not her mother, who is likely not very sympathetic to him.

Interesting points. Which daughters is he so concerned about? His legal daughters or his alleged daughter? Their interests are not necessarily the same at this point. His legal daughters wish to meet their sister. I can see that. But does that take prescidence over his alleged daughters need for privacy at this time? Or her need for care and treatment?

As far as the viewpoint of the girls, Jaycee remembered her mother, her aunt and her sister. So when she met with them she wasn't meeting strangers. However, meeting up with the alleged bio dad means meeting another stranger. And even the siblings would be strangers to her. As far as the grandchildren, even if he proves paternity, that doesn't mean that he will establish an ongoing relationship to Jaycee. And if there is no ongoing relationship to Jaycee, likely there will be no relationship to the grandchildren. Remember the court cannot order visitation for an adult.

To push the issue through the media, and maybe the courts at this time in Jaycee's life he is more likely to ruin any chance he ever had of establishing a relationship with Jaycee and her daughters. Granted I am looking at this from a personal prospective only, but if it were me and I was being told that this person was insisting on meeting me, if I had no memory of ever meeting this person previously..... well I would probably find it frightening. Or it might make me angry. And neither emotion is a good one for establishing a relationship on.

If he really cared about any of his daughters and a future relationship, he might consider biding his time until she had had a chance to get on her feet a little, he might approach her through an intermediary, maybe through her attorney and quietly express an interest in meeting her. Offering her the choices and letting her set the time and method of meeting. That is the way to begin a relationship. Offering her the choice and letting her know how he could be reached if/when she was ready. Much less frightening and much calmer way to approach her.

[JBean]

Those of you getting personal on this thread need to stop please.
The topic is not about each other but the possible bio father trying to meet Jaycee.
Anyone that attacks personally on this thread will get a TO. If you have anything that should be edited please take care of it.
thanks.

ETA: the placement of this post is random so it has no bearing on anything. :)

[Tizzle]

Counseling did teach me that the truth is always the truth and love is always love, and goodness is always goodness, an pure is always pure. and good character and fine principle do not sway, they too are always the same. Opinions may change, but not character.

There is not a white and black definition to kindness and self serving does not fall in the mix.
It would never include lawyer up, but it would include sensitivity to these times.
The truth is always the same it does not change.

IF it is kindness he had in mind, then he could have done thing without top dog lawyers on TV.
You do not need a lawyer to say I want to be in your life.
You just do the right things and maybe someone will want to be in your life.You send donations, you send a card that says when you are ready, you don't get a TOP DOG LAWYER and go on TV.
Especially after the first 11 years there is no hiring a cheep lawyer to find her.
HIS TIMING IS UGLY HIS METHOD IS UGLY and frankly he looks pretty bad too.
BEAUTY IS AS BEAUTY DOES.. nothing he has done shows kindness.

But then again some people are used to getting so little
that they stick up for a crumb. I do not care if you need to be right, and I sure do not care
if you have issues with me.
IF JC cares to know him for any reasoon even curiosity, it will not a relationship make.
But it will be on her terms, at her time. and he really need to go away now.
HER PLATE IS FULL AND HE WON'T BE A PRIORITY AT ALL. :) That I am certain.

BBM
Please, Do not even attempt to think you know anything about me. I get plenty of love and completion in my life, you needn't worry about that. That's why I'm able to try to see the good in people. If I were sticking up for a "crumb", as you say, then I would be defending the Garridos, not Mr. Slayton. It is mean and silly for you to refer to a perfect stranger in that way. You don't know a thing about him or his life. He's nowhere near the despicable level of the Garrido's, yet some insist on slamming him as though he is. And, I assure you, I do not need to be right, but I do need to be just in my opinions of others. And please do not flatter yourself to think I have taken issue with you personally, especially when you posted in response to my post to begin with. I simply responded.

[mysteriew]

1.DNA testing wasn't available then and 2. It isn't at all possible that Terry didn't want to be found? People can hide, ya know?
Also, where is it said that she isn't being given a choice? He said they would wait for her to call if and whenever she is ready. And I didn't hear anything about an immediate DNA test, I'm pretty sure he's willing to wait until she's ready for that, too. There was nothing about his voice or body language that said urgency. I saw regret, guilt and grief. But no urgency or pushing the issue. Did I miss something?

With the introduction of DNA testing in the late 1970s and 1980s, scientists saw the powerful tool this process was for identification and determination of biological relationships.
http://www.dnacenter.com/science-technology/dna-history.html

And even before DNA testing became commonplace there was a legal process for legitimizing children. He could have done it. He didn't.

[songline]

I always find it interesting when an alleged bio dad says that he would have seen his kid but the mother wouldn't let him. Then with a little probing you find out that paternity was never established. A paternity test can be requested by a prospective father. But if that test is positive they will usually be required to pay child support. That is why it is usually the mothers who end up requesting the test. If the mother doesn't request the test then the father doesn't, usually because they don't want to pay the support.
So the idea that it might have been because of the mother really doesn't apply here. He had the right to become her legal father and didn't take the steps to obtain it. Period. If he had established paternity and the mother still wouldn't let him see her, then he would have had a right to complain. But he didn't do that did he?

He may have changed at some point. But he had had 11 years to request the test and didn't. So 11 years go by and no test, but she becomes a hot media story and suddenly it is imperative that the test gets done immediately! No time to take care of the legal issues of declaring that she actually had daughters of her own that didn't legally exist. No time to get counseling to deal with the issues of her captivity. No time to get used to being an adult in a very different world than she was used to living in. No time to deal with the legal issues and preparation for prosecuting the G's. No time to think about supporting herself and her children, where they will live and all those other pesky details.
NO it is imperative that she meets that long lost father, you know the one who didn't bother with becoming her father.
And let's not give her any choice in the matter. She is over 18 now and should have the legal right to make her own choices. But when she was with the G's, she didn't have a choice so she should be used to someone else making her choices for her. Why not the alleged bio dad? So no chance to catch her breath or make any choices on her own. (Sarcasm intended)
And some call this kindness????
I don't know if alleged bio dad has the legal right to even take this to court. Maybe he does. But if he does, it is supposed to be in the best interest of the child. Namely the 29 year old child named Jaycee. The court could order the paternity test. But as an adult it still won't order visitation for her. And it could and should order back child support for Jaycee. That should help to establish an income for Jaycee and her children and help her to get a new start in life.

mysteriew :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
I love a mind that is attached to a heart. :beats:

I Made bold a few (many) really important points.

Out of JC's Bio dad's mouth: ...Jaycee's mom got in touch with him to tell him she was pregnant,
then he never heard from her again...

He never said he tried to call her, or look for her. He never said she would not let him see her.
You are right 11 years go by and nothing. SO NOW WHAT???? JC touched the hearts of strangers.
He just wants a front row seat for his view of what the entire world wants to know? he is curious.

I call that a voyeur of the worst kind. He is about me,me, me. :crazy:

Actually it is sad to see how many stick up for him...after seeing his gestures. :(
It may be a sign of how many people really want or wish that they were Daddy's little girl.
And they find crumbs to be gestures. :( How sad.

A crumb is a crumb. And a pure gesture is a good dded done discreetly.
It just is and it need no interpretation.

MY Dear God - I am so grateful for all that I have always had. Thank you. :beats:
RIP my beautiful Dad - You were pure, and I was blessed. :beats:

[RJA00]

And it could and should order back child support for Jaycee. That should help to establish an income for Jaycee and her children and help her to get a new start in life.
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I know a girl that got awarded her child support from her dad after she turned of age, but I think the rules were that the mother had to at least try to collect it before they turn 18 . my step son mentioned that one time after he turned 18 about his mother, the rules did not apply to him because my husband never asked for child support

[mysteriew]

mysteriew :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
I love a mind that is attached to a heart. :beats: :beats: :beats:

I Made bold a few (many) really important points.

Out of his mouth...Jaycee's mom got in touch with him to tell him she was pregnant, then he never heard from her again...

He never said he tried to call her, or look for her.
He never said she would not let him see her.
You are right 11 years go by and nothing.
SO NOW WHAT????
JC touched the hearts of strangers throughout the entire world.
He just wants a front row seat for his view of what the entire world wants to know? he is curious. :crazy:

I call that a voyeur of the worst kind.
He is about me,me, me. :crazy:

Thank you sweetie.

If you have read up in the Caylee thread you probably read about things like licensing fees and payments for images. What isn't in the media right now? Images of Jaycee. More images of the girls. I wonder how much those would go for? How about images of Jaycee meeting the father/siblings she never had the chance to meet? Images of the living area that Jaycee is now residing in to compare with her previous accomadations?

[JBean]

Those of you getting personal on this thread need to stop please.
The topic is not about each other but the possible bio father trying to meet Jaycee.
Anyone that attacks personally on this thread will get a TO. If you have anything that should be edited please take care of it.
thanks.

ETA: the placement of this post is random so it has no bearing on anything. :)
any posts that have a poster as the topic should be edited or removed. this is about Jaycee and her possible bio dad not each other.
If you cannot refrain from getting personal or if this topic is too emotional for you take a break.

[Tizzle]

mysteriew :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
I love a mind that is attached to a heart. :beats: :beats: :beats:

I Made bold a few (many) really important points.

Out of his mouth...Jaycee's mom got in touch with him to tell him she was pregnant, then he never heard from her again...

He never said he tried to call her, or look for her.
He never said she would not let him see her.
You are right 11 years go by and nothing.
SO NOW WHAT????
JC touched the hearts of strangers throughout the entire world.
He just wants a front row seat for his view of what the entire world wants to know? he is curious. :crazy:

I call that a voyeur of the worst kind.
He is about me,me, me. :crazy:

She only called him once? Hmmmmm. Never heard from her again after one phone call? He did state he tried to reach her but was unsuccessful. Maybe Terry was in a relationship with someone else at the time and didn't want them to find out? Maybe he's not revealing all the details of their affair for a reason? Maybe to save her embarrassment? Maybe he's not such a crumb since a crumb would go into detail about any connection to Jaycee, his only connection to her is a months long fling with her mom, wouldn't a crumb be all over telling all the dirty details of the love affair that produced Jaycee Lee Dugard? In a high profile case such as this, you would have to practically be in a coma to not want a "TOP DOG LAWYER" as you call her. Do you have any idea what it's like to be hounded by the media? Do you have any idea how scary that would be without a renowned legal team? He didn't lawyer up because he's a "crumb", as you refer to him, he did it out of necessity. You can rant but you still have no hard evidence to back up what you're saying.

[songline]

She only called him once? Hmmmmm. Never heard from her again after one phone call? He did state he tried to reach her but was unsuccessful. Maybe Terry was in a relationship with someone else at the time and didn't want them to find out? Maybe he's not revealing all the details of their affair for a reason? Maybe to save her embarrassment? Maybe he's not such a crumb since a crumb would go into detail about any connection to Jaycee, his only connection to her is a months long fling with her mom, wouldn't a crumb be all over telling all the dirty details of the love affair that produced Jaycee Lee Dugard? In a high profile case such as this, you would have to practically be in a coma to not want a "TOP DOG LAWYER" as you call her. Do you have any idea what it's like to be hounded by the media? Do you have any idea how scary that would be without a renowned legal team? He didn't lawyer up because he's a "crumb", as you refer to him, he did it out of necessity. You can rant but you still have no hard evidence to back up what you're saying.

OH he did say it was a one month affair and she was a nice girl.
Maybe there is no dirty laundry or he would be happy to air it.

THE REASON he needs a lawyer now, now, now is???
When is TIME< TIME< TIME, & DISCRESSION not a good virtue.....?
what media hounded him, he is a star?
he should have kept a low profile, and thats all she wrote.

I think later, later, later, would have been considerate.
YOU DONT GO ON TV and then say the media hounded him,,,,no, no, no.....
You sure do not need a top dog lawyer, And yes I wrote to her she is a media ho.

[mysteriew]

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I know a girl that got awarded her child support from her dad after she turned of age, but I think the rules were that the mother had to at least try to collect it before they turn 18 . my step son mentioned that one time after he turned 18 about his mother, the rules did not apply to him because my husband never asked for child support

The laws on that differ from state to state. And since Jaycee was in captivity from the age of 11 to the current time the court might be willing to make some exceptions. Since she didn't have the opportunity from the age of 11 on. And since the father is so eager that he is willing to go against his adult daughter's best interests.

[songline]

Thank you sweetie.

But I think you are still missing the big picture. If you have read up in the Caylee thread you probably read about things like licensing fees and payments for images. What isn't in the media right now? Images of Jaycee. More images of the girls. I wonder how much those would go for? How about images of Jaycee meeting the father/siblings she never had the chance to meet? Images of the living area that Jaycee is now residing in to compare with her previous accomadations?
Packing to leave town...Ther would have been ample time for everything.
There will not be any personal images for a long time.
His timing is sick.
got to go.

[songline]

any posts that have a poster as the topic should be edited or removed. this is about Jaycee and her possible bio dad not each other.
If you cannot refrain from getting personal or if this topic is too emotional for you take a break.

Packing to leave town...Please delete whatever you see fit.
Thanks :blowkiss: :blowkiss:
Going to the beach for a week and a spa next weekend.
Bye
:)

[VespaElf]

Sorry but the timing of this leaves a bad taste in my mouth! :(
I admire Gloria's chutzpah (even when I dont agree with her)but this is just tacky!!!!!!!!!!!!