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Bibliophile
08-31-2009, 02:57 AM
I'm also from Missouri and remember this case well. For several reasons, including because the police released so many details they shouldn't have, I simply don't give a lot of credibility to a lot of the rumors or van stories. Not saying they're impossible but they just don't carry a lot of weight with me. The drug connection stories are laughable at best.

One thing that has always stuck in my mind was Stacy McCall's shorts still being neatly folded with her jewelry in the pockets. My first thought when hearing that was that those three were taken out of that house very quickly and probably at gunpoint. I don't think it was a mere knock on the door about the dog or a possible gas leak. A teenage girl would have at least grabbed her shorts on the way out the door. The only way she didn't take them was if someone was near enough to her to prevent her from taking them.

Does anyone know if the light on the porch was a overhead, ceiling type fixture or one mounted on a vertical wall?

If it was near the door on the wall, it is possible it was broken in a struggle out the door. If it was on the porch ceiling, the perp could have been attempting to take off the outside globe to unscrew the light bulb so as not to be seen when they came to the door or when taking them out the door. If he dropped the globe and it shattered, that would explain the parted blinds.

Looking for other crimes where the lights were disabled might be a start.

Indianagirl
08-31-2009, 04:21 AM
The porch light is mounted on the wall to the right of the door. It is above the mailbox. You can see it in the below video by pausing it at 1:14. Hope this helps :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwkmV4wcm3w&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewebsleuths%2Ecom%2Fforums% 2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D83348&feature=player_embedded#t=75

MaryLiz
08-31-2009, 07:27 AM
Good points, Bibliophile. I totally agree. It only stands to reason that they were gotten out of their very quickly without time for Stacy to get her shorts. If they would have had time to grab things on their way out, surely Sherrill and Suzie would have at least taken their cigarettes.

Bibliophile
08-31-2009, 09:42 PM
Does anyone know of any other photos of the front of the house?

It appears from the video there is a light above the mailbox and one on a pole. The one on the wall appears to be just a bulb and the one on the pole looks intact.

Indianagirl
08-31-2009, 09:50 PM
Does anyone know of any other photos of the front of the house?

It appears from the video there is a light above the mailbox and one on a pole. The one on the wall appears to be just a bulb and the one on the pole looks intact.

There was a globe that surrounded the light bulb. The globe broke, but the bulb stayed intact. The yard light (pole) was not damaged/tampered with.

Bibliophile
08-31-2009, 09:51 PM
Good points, Bibliophile. I totally agree. It only stands to reason that they were gotten out of their very quickly without time for Stacy to get her shorts. If they would have had time to grab things on their way out, surely Sherrill and Suzie would have at least taken their cigarettes.

From the little that is known, I am guessing the original targets were the girls. The perp saw them somewhere (gas station, party, stop light, etc.) and followed them home. I'm guessing it was an impulse pick for him. I don't think it was overly planned.

It further seems, because of the parted blinds and TV still on, that the mother went to the door and was probably forced back inside. Stacey McCall had no time to dress or even grab her shorts. He got them out of their quickly - which also indicates experience. He's done similar things before.

Indianagirl
08-31-2009, 10:16 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/kl4025930/porch.jpg

Bibliophile
08-31-2009, 11:06 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/kl4025930/porch.jpg

Thanks. The pic is so sad.

It looks like it is one of those clear, jar-type looking globes.

Does anyone know if the pole fixture worked or was operable from the house?

It still seems like he may have fumbled and broke the outside globe/cover in an attempt to unscrew the bulb. Unscrewing the porch light bulb is a very common tactic for experienced criminals and taught as something to look for in crime scene investigation classes.

If I recall correctly the bulb was intact; so he most likely never touched it and thus - no chance for prints.

MHamby
10-05-2009, 03:53 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/kl4025930/porch.jpg


May I ask where you got this picture from Indianagirl?

Indianagirl
10-05-2009, 04:01 PM
Sure. It's from the newspaper.

MHamby
10-05-2009, 04:57 PM
Sure. It's from the newspaper.

You don't happen to know which one and/or the date of the publication off the top of your head do you?

Indianagirl
10-05-2009, 05:06 PM
It's from the newsleader. I don't know the date.

bystander77
03-22-2011, 09:49 AM
I have put some thought to the broken globe and don't think it occurred when the girls were leaving the house. After all, if it fell during the time they left, I'd expect one of them to scream at that point... and maybe fight with their captor(s). Also, in order for this to happen during this time, the screws securing the cover would have to be very loose for it to fall... on a fixture like that there's usually 3 screws securing the glass..... unless the cover was struck with such force that it broke off the fixture, I don't think it was bumped loose.

Coldpizza
04-03-2011, 08:55 PM
I have put some thought to the broken globe and don't think it occurred when the girls were leaving the house. After all, if it fell during the time they left, I'd expect one of them to scream at that point... and maybe fight with their captor(s). Also, in order for this to happen during this time, the screws securing the cover would have to be very loose for it to fall... on a fixture like that there's usually 3 screws securing the glass..... unless the cover was struck with such force that it broke off the fixture, I don't think it was bumped loose.

I have just recently started looking at this case. The first thing that jumped out at me was the porch light. IMO outside lights tend to get the least amount of attention. I for one put off fixing the lamp at the front door held on by 3 screws.
I wonder if the perp went to disable the bulb only to find the globe barely attached, it fell and shattered but still went on to unscrew the bulb temporarily? Did they do a fingerprint test on the bulb? I have much reading to do, but was curious on this aspect.

former central time
04-04-2011, 01:10 AM
There has been much discussion over the porch light, globe and glass left. No clear consensus on what to make of it, except, we're told from the 'First Responders' account, Janelle and her boyfriend cleaned it up. I believe it was established that LE did take the glass remains and has them in custody.

But, what has never been made clear to me was what was the typical traffic like at the Levitt house ? In one of the early video reports (presumed it was shot a couple days after the event, as all the cars are still there), you can see a tight shot of the carport. On the left is a door, with small steps, which would appear as another entrance. In my current home, and many others do the same, I use the entrance from the garage, and the 'regular door' to receive guests, pick up packages and the like. Was that the pattern at the Levitt house ? If so, and the two girls entered via the carport entrance, it is possible if there was broken glass at the time of their arrival, that they never even saw it, or made much of it yet. 'Clean it up tomorrow ?' But, back to the point of common entrance, I don't know if THAT door or the carport door, was the typical entrance for the family/friends.

bystander77
04-04-2011, 01:26 AM
Welcome to the forum Coldpizza.
In addition to the glass globe story, I have read in several places that Janelle cut her finger on the glass at 1717 E delmar... I don't recall the credibility of the sources I read it from, but it's another detail about the subject...

_mb_
04-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Nothing to say about the porch light, but one thing about the shorts that stands out to me is that the girls didn't expect to go home that night. They planned on staying in a hotel in Branson. I would assume that Stacy had extra clothes and a swim suit somewhere--in her car? At Suzie's house? I haven't heard if one was located anywhere. If a swimsuit for Suzi isn't located, to me, that would lean towards the abduction taking place later in the morning. Suzie & Stacy get ready to leave for white water, somebody they were with the night before comes to pick them up, and that is when the abduction occurs

pittsburghgirl
04-06-2011, 10:58 PM
Yeah, a while back we talked about the whole issue of a bag for Stacy. the planned to stay in a hotel, and then Janelle's, so she had to have basics: toothbrush, hair stuff, a sweatshirt or jacket if they planned to leave in the morning, and a swim suit, and most likely a towel, a cover up, flip flops, etc. Didn't her mother say something about her bag? I need to go back and look at that.

bystander77
04-07-2011, 12:04 AM
This may seem slightly OT, but, I'm trying to put myself back in time. In 1992, 18 year olds did not have debit and credit cards. Hotels took a harsh stance against booked rooms being no-showed.. As in, they'd be paying for a room they didn't use if they had one booked. I also really doubt they were planning on just finding a place with a vacancy and hoping to get a room. That seems very unlikely for the era... at least imo. Perhaps stacy used the hotel plan to allow herself the night out, as late as she wanted... if she thought her parents would be against her doing that.
Maybe there never were hotel reservations. Can anyone speak to this? We all have seen it in the news stories. I wonder if the SPD was too busy looking for the van to try and shoot holes in Kirby's story or perhaps even what Stacy told her mother.
You all bring up a GREAT point about the travel bags. It is worthy of much consideration.
However, since the purses and smokes were all left behind, I'm not sure how it would tie into the theories involving the bags being gone. After all, if they were en route to the water park or branson, with who they thought was a friendly person, surely they would have brought those vital things with them. I also doubt the perp went back to the scene to drop those things off... it would only increase the chance of being seen... again...

_mb_
04-07-2011, 09:21 AM
I have also wondered about the hotel. I hadn't thought that there might not actually be one. I had wondered if maybe someone's family had paid for it as a graduation gift and they had invited a bunch of friends to stay with them including Suzie, Stacy & Janelle. And either everyone decided to stay behind or for whatever reason, S, S & J decided not to go. I do find it odd that Janelle wouldn't realize there wasn't room for the girls at her house. And, maybe it's just the whole underage drinking/partying, but I can't help but feel like she's hiding something. Some reports say she started calling the house as early as 6 am, where other times she says she woke up around 9. Three hours in this case is huge.

I don't think they were en route to the park, but I believe there is the possibility that someone who the girls were with the night before (maybe old friends, maybe just met) made plans to pick them up in the morning. Maybe talked Sherril into going out for breakfast? Or something to get her into the vehicle, since she was probably up and may have recognized, or at least been able to describe, the abductors. I agree that the cigarettes and purse don't fit in well here, though the possibility that they were planted to throw the friends who stopped by throughout the day exists, it doesn't seem like a logical one. To me, having the purses with the victims would raise fewer questions, since it would appear that they went somewhere on their own.

CaliMama
01-16-2012, 04:17 PM
I'm not sure how much this matters, but I think that more than likely, all three women were barefoot if they had recently been in bed or sleeping. It seems as though at least one of the women would have cut their foot on the broken glass (LE should be able to test the glass for blood) on the way out the front door IF they walked out. Were any of the other doors unlocked? Could they have walked out of a different door or were they carried out the front door?

pittsburghgirl
01-17-2012, 03:40 AM
MM or Hurricane will know this for sure, but LE said that Stacy was barefoot. I think we have speculated that she might have left DNA, perhaps blood. Or perhaps just footprints of the right size. Or it just might be that she only had one pair of shoes and they were in the house.

CaliMama
01-21-2012, 07:58 PM
I have had another thought/question regarding the porch light. If the globe was broken because someone was trying to unscrew the light bulb (so that they wouldn't be seen), then that means that the person was not known to any of the three women, imo. If it was someone that they knew, then they would have wanted to be seen so someone would open the door.

I am wondering if the globe could have broken without Sherrill hearing it before the girls arrived in an effort to unscrew the light bulb so the girls wouldn't see someone hiding near the front door/carport area. Is that a possibility? Where was Sherrill's bedroom in relation to the front door?

Indianagirl
01-23-2012, 06:36 PM
http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q557/ingirl/user32571_pic6680_1237244987.jpg

The double windows on the far left in the picture above are part of Sherrill's bedroom (SW corner).

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q557/ingirl/user32571_pic6678_1237244987.jpg

This is the inside of her bedroom with those same windows (years later).

As you can see, part of Sherrill's bedroom windows were in the front of the house, not far from the front door. Hope this helps!

fullmoon
08-05-2012, 05:59 AM
I have put some thought to the broken globe and don't think it occurred when the girls were leaving the house. After all, if it fell during the time they left, I'd expect one of them to scream at that point... and maybe fight with their captor(s). Also, in order for this to happen during this time, the screws securing the cover would have to be very loose for it to fall... on a fixture like that there's usually 3 screws securing the glass.....

I agree. I have the same type of globe at my back porch. It is a b**ch to loosen the screws to change burned out bulbs. I think the perp removed the globe with the intent to loosen the bulb. It took a while to loosen the screws, the dog likely started yapping, Sherill peaked out the blinds, and decided to investigate. The perp may have already had his fingers around the bulb to loosen, but Sherill surprised him by turning on the light. Recognized him and opened the door to ask what the hell was going on. By then he forced his way in, and in the struggle, the globe was dropped. That bulb could very well have had fingerprints on it. Just my opinion.

BTW, I think the perp may have wanted the light bulb loosened not because he was a stranger who didn't want neighbors identifying him, but because it was someone the neighbors may have seen before and could identify more easily.

Auramyst
08-12-2012, 11:45 PM
BTW, I think the perp may have wanted the light bulb loosened not because he was a stranger who didn't want neighbors identifying him, but because it was someone the neighbors may have seen before and could identify more easily.

I agree completely with your theory. I've also thought this was the case with the 'porch lady van sighting'.

At first I thought the perp would want Suzy to drive so he could control the other's in the back of the van- and that may be the case- but along with that I'm beginning to suspect that perp didn't want to be seen because he would be recognized.

notintheknow
08-13-2012, 01:54 AM
I agree completely with your theory. I've also thought this was the case with the 'porch lady van sighting'.

At first I thought the perp would want Suzy to drive so he could control the other's in the back of the van- and that may be the case- but along with that I'm beginning to suspect that perp didn't want to be seen because he would be recognized.

I wonder, though. From all of the descriptions I have read it seems like the Delmar house was set back aways fromt he street and not easily visible from its neighbors. That would lead me to believe that the perp(s) would not need to be as concerned about beingrecognized by the occasional latenight passerby. However, hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge than I can chime in.

I think you raise a good point about the porch lady sighting.

Auramyst
08-13-2012, 09:38 PM
I wonder, though. From all of the descriptions I have read it seems like the Delmar house was set back aways fromt he street and not easily visible from its neighbors. That would lead me to believe that the perp(s) would not need to be as concerned about beingrecognized by the occasional latenight passerby. However, hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge than I can chime in.

I think you raise a good point about the porch lady sighting.

I agree. The house was set back from the road a bit. I would think that anyone attempting an abduction would not want to be seen- whether he thought he would be recognized or not.

I think another reason for the perp to go into 'stealth mode' would be that the front yard was lit by both the porch light and the yard light.

Again, the house was not right up on the road, but anyone driving by at night would be able to see someone hanging around the front yard and carport. The person 'driving by' might not recognize the perp, but would be able to give a reasonable description of the perp if the perp was all lit up by the outside lights. So, I believe there would be several reasons why the perp would not want to be seen.

I've often wondered if the perp gained entry through the carport door rather than the front door (and if he used a door at all).

Auramyst
08-13-2012, 11:38 PM
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
June 14, 1992

"More than 30 police officers - including agents from the Springfield FBI office - have been working on the case. They are questioning hundreds of friends, relatives and business associates and following up the slimmest of leads.

A smashed porch light at the house was found to have been broken previously. An auto theft in the neighborhood was determined to be unrelated. A multiple kidnapping in Oklahoma City was ruled out as a link when it was discovered that a child custody battle was involved in that case."

I've always wondered how important the broken porch light has been to this mystery. Is it a clue or a red herring? If the light was 'found to have been broken previously' what does that mean? Somebody saw it get broken? Somebody saw it broken the night or day before? Was the glass on the porch for a day or two and ignored/not cleaned up?

I would find it odd that Sherrill and Suzy would not clean up glass. But on the other hand- how often did they use the front door? Was the side door the more common entrance to the house? I can't really see them ignoring the glass for a few days. Maybe they never used the front door, and maybe with the graduation activities they just put it off/forgot about it.

I also wonder if the globe was sitting on the front porch instead of up around the light bulb where it belonged. What if the light bulb had been changed recently, and instead of putting the globe back on, it was set on the front porch to be put back on later. If the globe is sitting on the front porch, it could have been accidentally broken by being bumped or stepped on. Maybe the pieces remained there and Suzy or Sherrill were going to clean it up later.

Either way, this early news article states that the porch light was found to have been broken 'previously'. If that's the case then the broken light may have nothing at all to do with the abduction.

emmiesmom
08-16-2012, 11:45 PM
Hi everyone! I've been a user for quite sometime,just went MIA for awhile. From reading previous posts & articles it seems to me that either the dog heard or sensed someone there then barked startling the Perp. For some reason I get the sense that the bulb is still part if the investigation regardless of when it broke. I also think its someone they either knew socially, maybe was at the graduation partyor someone that was known to the neighborhood that would not set off any alarms during the time he was tampering with lightbulb but would be remembered after their
dissappearance such as a neighbor or a someone performing a service. Im sure he carefully staked the place out prior, I dont think this was a crime of opportunity. Its also been brought up that the dog wss found unharmed inside & seemed anxious that says to me that something happened in the
house that was violent in nature and/or the perp was yelling at some point. Darn it I had a point & its gone out of my head sorry! Anyway, I bekieve it was one perp & the girls were the targets. One perp is able to control all 3 if one of the girls is used as bait to get the others to comply. That has happened before as in the case of Yosimity park murders. The perp was able to control all three by using the daughter of one of the vics as bait.

Auramyst
08-19-2012, 02:37 PM
Hi everyone! I've been a user for quite sometime,just went MIA for awhile. From reading previous posts & articles it seems to me that either the dog heard or sensed someone there then barked startling the Perp. For some reason I get the sense that the bulb is still part if the investigation regardless of when it broke. I also think its someone they either knew socially, maybe was at the graduation partyor someone that was known to the neighborhood that would not set off any alarms during the time he was tampering with lightbulb but would be remembered after their
dissappearance such as a neighbor or a someone performing a service. Im sure he carefully staked the place out prior, I dont think this was a crime of opportunity. Its also been brought up that the dog wss found unharmed inside & seemed anxious that says to me that something happened in the
house that was violent in nature and/or the perp was yelling at some point. Darn it I had a point & its gone out of my head sorry! Anyway, I bekieve it was one perp & the girls were the targets. One perp is able to control all 3 if one of the girls is used as bait to get the others to comply. That has happened before as in the case of Yosimity park murders. The perp was able to control all three by using the daughter of one of the vics as bait.

I agree with you. I don't believe this was a crime of opportunity. There were too many things the perp had to have known prior to the evening of the abduction. One of which would have been who lives in the house and how many people live in the house. One car doesn't mean only one person lives there. They could be a one car family of five. Three cars being there that night could have meant six men were in the house. The perp(s) definitely knew ahead of time who lived there. He had probably been watching the house for a few weeks prior to the abduction.

former central time
10-03-2012, 04:25 AM
Looking over the pictures thread, I just noticed something minor and personally curious. The front door to the Levitt house has the screen door opening from right to left and the inside door inversely, left to right. Many homes/apartment structures have a consistent pattern of both doors opening and closing from the same point but in mirror opposites. I happen to be living in an apartment now (old triplex) that has this less common setup, my back door is exactly like the Levitt front door. In my case, the screen doors have to open in these directions because there is no room any other way, and in the Levitt example, opening the way it does, does afford far more space. But, as a small personal agitation, I find the inverse setup annoying and I always feel the screen door is in my way when I negotiating with packages and stuff. I enjoy more the certainty of pushing all doors to the right, or all to the left for best clearance.

Some may see this as a possible explanation of breaking the globe light case...possible. There may have been a stopper latch on the screen door, many have them, Iíve not been blessed with one such at my place. And, if the perps found it as annoying as I do, they clearly worked it out. But, just a personal curiosity.