Early Parole and Missed Opportunities-What happened?

[JBean]

I know the federal laws and sentencing guidelines have changed dramatically since Garrido's 50 year sentence was imposed. But even so, being paroled after 8 years is unheard of. Unless there were super extraordinary circumstances, this never should have come to pass.
So what happened?

[SWAG1959]

I think he just "slipped through the cracks" and quite often at that. He knew the system - was intelligent enough to know WHAT they would be looking at and he figured out how to "talk the talk" to get his sorry subhuman self out.

What I want to know was the "parole violation" in 1993. WHAT DID HE DO????? They gave him 6 months - so what was THAT all about - THEY HAD HIM BACK IN!!!!! THEY knew his history, his record, the transcripts from the trial FGS - exposing himself to little kids????? C'mon. WHAT DID HE DO TO GET THROWN BACK IN???? And more importantly - WHY DID THEY LET HIM BACK OUT??????????????

Seriously, this is the ONE question I have been asking since we found out he went back to prison in 1993 and the subhuman female kept Jaycee!! From my timeline calculations - it was shortly after he got back out in August of '93 that Jaycee got pregnant with the first child.

[Patty G]

September 1, 2009
Larry King Live

YouTube - Why Was Phillip Garrido Paroled? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kWU2DUobhw)

[xosugar]

He was in jail in 1993? That's the first I've heard of that. I seriously hope they don't cut his wife any deals. It is so bizarre that he had a parole officer AND the neighbors called the police to tell them there were people living in the back yard but no one actually checked back there??

[JBean]

September 1, 2009
Larry King Live

YouTube - Why Was Phillip Garrido Paroled? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kWU2DUobhw)
Thanks Patty..but he didn't answer the question at all. Even back then 16% of a sentence for a violent crime in any jurisdiction,was unheard of. Now it would be 80% and I know it wasn't that much back then, but 16%? Someone screwed up and this is CYA time,jmo.

[Patty G]

He was in jail in 1993? That's the first I've heard of that. I seriously hope they don't cut his wife any deals. It is so bizarre that he had a parole officer AND the neighbors called the police to tell them there were people living in the back yard but no one actually checked back there??

He had a violation of his parole which landed him back in prison from April to August 1993.

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/dpgo_Phillip_Garrido_Prison_Parole_History_fc_2009 0828_3213263

[JBean]

He was in jail in 1993? That's the first I've heard of that. I seriously hope they don't cut his wife any deals. It is so bizarre that he had a parole officer AND the neighbors called the police to tell them there were people living in the back yard but no one actually checked back there??
This is something else I am struggling with. Typically when someone is on parole, their search and seizure rights are out the window as a condition of parole. IOW, if LE wants to search the parolee's room or any common areas they share with other household members they can. Even if this does not extend to the parole officer, it would extend to LE. Somewhere I heard they didn't seacrh because of the inability to obtain a search warrant and I don't understand that. I am not doubting it happened, I just don't understand why and how.

[Patty G]

Thanks Patty..but he didn't answer the question at all. Even back then 16% of a sentence for a violent crime in any jurisdiction,was unheard of. Now it would be 80% and I know it wasn't that much back then, but 16%? Someone screwed up and this is CYA time,jmo.

I agree with you that the question wasn't answered. Looks like some deep diving into what happened back then to why he was released so early is the key to finding out what actually happened.

[SWAG1959]

Thanks Patty!!!!! I was glad I got to watch that "segment" again. I was so flabbergasted hearing this "govt official" basically "clear" the parole officer.

Good for Katherine - she spoke up - she told him that she went and spoke with (she believes PG's then parole officer) and the guy told her "we know he's a sick puppy" and "we know he's gonna do it again - we just don't think he'll direct it at you". !!!!! :eek:

NOW - hold up - that comment from THAT parole officer had to have been made shortly after 1988 - maybe 89/90. Katherine called them because she thought she saw him at work (she's a casino dealer). And that is how SHE found out he had gotten outta prision - the FIRST time. So this "parole officer - sworn to protect the people" made this kind of snide, snarky comment to her THEN - that was BEFORE he took Jaycee.

The usless guy on LKL - never answered the question about him being put back in. Mr. Probyn asked him about PG going back in - he (Probyn) had his dates mixed up and said 1999 but he wasn't sure - and man o man did that "official" dodge and weave - never answered the question - didn't "correct" Mr. Probyn on the years - nothing, nadda.

I'm telling y'all - THAT'S what is gonna put us over the edge on this case. WHY he was locked back up - for 6 months - on a "parole violation" - from a LIFETIME PAROLE situation and both state and fed convictions!!!! WHAT DID HE DO THEN? WHO dropped THAT ball and just let him walk out? I kinda think that's when he got the GPS - and could very well have been a condition of release. So, what did he do? He changed his game plan. He already had Jaycee (for a couple of years) so he decided to "kick back" and take care of business strictly "at home". That way his GPS would show a "stellar" record - parole officer (government lackey) would waltz through every couple of months - PG would "talk the talk" - and everyone would be sent on their merry little way. I think he got "comfortable" with the "situation" and that's why he was so arrogant and brought them all with him to the parole officer / police station. He just really didn't think anyone was THAT smart - or that anyone really cared anymore.

[Patty G]

This is something else I am struggling with. Typically when someone is on parole, their search and seizure rights are out the window as a condition of parole. IOW, if LE wants to search the parolee's room or any common areas they share with other household members they can. Even if this does not extend to the parole officer, it would extend to LE. Somewhere I heard they didn't seacrh because of the inability to obtain a search warrant and I don't understand that. I am not doubting it happened, I just don't understand why and how.

I don't recall ever hearing that LE didn't search the house because of not having a search warrant. Normally no search warrant is ever needed when searching a registered SO's home.

If a child goes missing and there are 300 SO's in the neighborhood, LE just goes to the house and checks it out.

[raindrops300]

This is something else I am struggling with. Typically when someone is on parole, their search and seizure rights are out the window as a condition of parole. IOW, if LE wants to search the parolee's room or any common areas they share with other household members they can. Even if this does not extend to the parole officer, it would extend to LE. Somewhere I heard they didn't seacrh because of the inability to obtain a search warrant and I don't understand that. I am not doubting it happened, I just don't understand why and how.


I read somewhere (within these threads) that the officer failed to run a check on PG prior to going to the residence and was unaware he had prior convictions and was a RSO. I could go and look for the link, but there are so many it will take a while.

[Patty G]

Nevada DPS Information on Phillip Garrido

http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=11010442

[Patty G]

Garrido violated federal parole, stayed free

Garrido, who had been sentenced to 50 years on federal kidnapping charges, was sent to Nevada after his release to serve a state sentence of five years to life for sexual assault. Because his 11 years in the federal prison counted as time served, he was eligible for parole as soon as he arrived in Carson City on Jan. 22, 1988.

On Aug. 1, 1988, the Nevada Parole Board, by a 3-2 vote released Garrido. He was technically on parole in Nevada, but federal parole took precedence and he moved to California.



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[SWAG1959]

Where would he have served this "parole violation" in '93? Patty's article above says he was released from FEDERAL parole in 1999 (probably where Probyn got the dates mixed up). So I guess the LIFETIME parole was from the State of Nevada. He got 50 years on the kidnap charge federally - served 11 years in Leavenwoth. Then was paroled on the fed charges and transferred to Nevada for the state charges (rape) and IIRC he got LIFE for that rape. But he was soon paroled outta Nevada and he went straight back to California.

Nothing - nada about this parole violation in 93. He went back in April 93 to Aug 93. That has been widely reported. Still, we have NO ONE admitting to this information (nor is anyone denying it either) - everyone just "shuts up real quick like" when the question hits THAT area.

Where would we check for the court records? California?

[LinasK]

I know the federal laws and sentencing guidelines have changed dramatically since Girrado's 50 year sentence was imposed. But even so, being paroled after 8 years is unheard of. Unless there were super extraordinary circumstances, this never should have come to pass.
So what happened?
Here's the answer:
Garrido was ultimately arrested in the kidnapping and rape.

The federal government prosecuted him on the kidnapping charge, while Washoe County prosecuted him on the rape charge, court records indicate.

After serving 10 years in Leavenworth federal penitentiary in Kansas, where he met and married his current wife Nancy, Garrido was granted federal parole and moved to Northern Nevada Correctional Center in Carson City.

Parole records released by the Nevada Board of Parole Commissioners today reveal commissioners denied parole to Garrido at least three times: Feb. 1, 1986; April 1, 1986 and Feb. 1, 1988.

On Aug. 1, 1988, two commissioners granted Garrido parole from Nevada prison with the conditions that he complete a substance abuse treatment program, receive mental health counseling, remain in California, maintain steady employment, undergo drug testing and be subject to search and seizure.

Also released today was a risk assessment sheet that calculated how much time Garrido should serve based on eight questions, including whether he had prior convictions (he had two or more previous convictions that were not detailed), if a weapon was used during the commission of the crime (one was not), and if he was over 18 when he committed the offense.

The numbers are then added up, and Garrido was calculated to be a moderate risk who should serve 10.5 years in prison. He served 11 and was released to his mother's home in Antioch on Aug. 26, 1988.

He remained there until his arrest last week when he showed up at his parole office with his wife, Jaycee Lee Dugard, now 29, whom he called Allissa, and two girls, ages 11 and 15, whom he fathered with Dugard.
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20090831/NEWS/908319991/1058

[nursebeeme]

I have a question about the alleged four or so months he spent in prison after Jaycee was kidnapped.... does anyone know if that is true or not? I cannot find my link to it and it is driving me NUTS! Also numbnuts in the larry king video said he had not been back to prison so I am cornfused!

[LinasK]

Available federal and state parole records show that Phillip Garrido was released from a Nevada prison in 1988 only to violate his federal parole in California five years later.

But Garrido, suspected of kidnapping Jaycee Lee Dugard from South Lake Tahoe in 1991, served just a four months in federal prison for the parole violation in 1993.
Nevada officials were never informed of his parole violation.

“If we had been notified of that we would have done a retake,” said Gail Powell, spokeswoman for the Nevada Department of Public Safety. She said he would have been brought back to serve the remainder of his sentence in Carson City.
“We were never informed,” she said. “I don’t know why.”
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090828/NEWS/90828055/1321

[nursebeeme]

Where would he have served this "parole violation" in '93? Patty's article above says he was released from FEDERAL parole in 1999 (probably where Probyn got the dates mixed up). So I guess the LIFETIME parole was from the State of Nevada. He got 50 years on the kidnap charge federally - served 11 years in Leavenwoth. Then was paroled on the fed charges and transferred to Nevada for the state charges (rape) and IIRC he got LIFE for that rape. But he was soon paroled outta Nevada and he went straight back to California.

Nothing - nada about this parole violation in 93. He went back in April 93 to Aug 93. That has been widely reported. Still, we have NO ONE admitting to this information (nor is anyone denying it either) - everyone just "shuts up real quick like" when the question hits THAT area.

Where would we check for the court records? California?
thank you swagster! yes! where would we look for this? The (expletive expletive expletive) man on the larry king video denied that he had been back to prison! What is up with that?????????????????????????

[nursebeeme]

Available federal and state parole records show that Phillip Garrido was released from a Nevada prison in 1988 only to violate his federal parole in California five years later.

But Garrido, suspected of kidnapping Jaycee Lee Dugard from South Lake Tahoe in 1991, served just a four months in federal prison for the parole violation in 1993.
Nevada officials were never informed of his parole violation.

“If we had been notified of that we would have done a retake,” said Gail Powell, spokeswoman for the Nevada Department of Public Safety. She said he would have been brought back to serve the remainder of his sentence in Carson City.
“We were never informed,” she said. “I don’t know why.”
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090828/NEWS/90828055/1321

bold is mine and I am seeeeeeeeeeeething mad right now!!!!! I hope that the prison and parole systems learn some HUGE LESSONS from this disasterous screw up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eta: I live so close to the USP where Garrido was imprisoned I could almost spit on it! I want to go over there and give them a piece of my mind!!!!

[SWAG1959]

Ok - first - here's the quote about LE saying they needed a warrant. Came from the neighbor's call about the tents in the backyard and children living back there.




Erika Pratt said that two years ago, she called police after seeing what looked like a living compound with tents and sheds.

No warrant
Sheriff's deputies came to ask questions, Pratt said, but they told her that because they didn't have a warrant, they couldn't search the house.
"I always wished someone could do something about it," Pratt said. "It was like he was charging people to live there."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL#ixzz0PRbnnZS7

Still looking for the article about the parole violation in 93. Nevermind - my good buddy nursie found it.

[nursebeeme]

http://www.lvcountyed.org/data/usp_info.htm

everyone have a peek at this (great site on the USP which is my neighbor)

btw... we are stationed at fort leavenworth and are walled in by prisons! The military prison is on post of which they are adding onto again and the usp (united states pen). There are also 13 OTHER prisons in Leavenworth county.

[nursebeeme]

Ok - first - here's the quote about LE saying they needed a warrant. Came from the neighbor's call about the tents in the backyard and children living back there.




Erika Pratt said that two years ago, she called police after seeing what looked like a living compound with tents and sheds.

No warrant
Sheriff's deputies came to ask questions, Pratt said, but they told her that because they didn't have a warrant, they couldn't search the house.
"I always wished someone could do something about it," Pratt said. "It was like he was charging people to live there."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL#ixzz0PRbnnZS7

Still looking for the article about the parole violation in 93. Nevermind - my good buddy nursie found it.

too bad the idiot didn't run the guy's name before he responded to the 911 call! Hell they do more in terms of running your name if you are speeding than someone calling in on a sex maniac with kids in tents in his backyard! I mean REALLY! A simple run of his name would have shown the guy WAS ON PAROLE AND HE THUSLY WOULD NOT NEED A WARRANT!!!!!!!! UGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

hindsight is 20/20... too bad LE's "fore"sight was 20/50!!! or better yet legally blind!

(deep breaths... nurse taking deep breaths!!!)

kudos go to linask on finding those prison dates... thank you linask! Wonder what the pos did to violate parole?

[SWAG1959]

Ok what do we have?

Paroled from Leavenworth 1988 sent to nevada

Nevada paroled 1988 (like a revolving door from Leavenworth)

Katherine C. (victim that convicted him) spoke with parole officer after "spotting" him at her work Approx 89/90 - Parole officer's snarky remark about "sick puppy" and offending again - just not HER"

Jaycee taken 1991

PG BACK BEHIND BARS from 4/93 to 8/93 for Parole Violation that we have no clue as to what.

1999 Released from FEDERAL parole for good. Still saying he's on LIFETIME parole - which we believe came from Nevada and the rape / LIFE conviction.

2005 (give or take I can't remember) he's is "investigated" on an elder abuse / extortion charge with the old man next door. Nothing ever came out of it - old man put in nursing home $18K missing, and PG now has full care and control over that property - until sometime in 2006 when new owner bought it and again in

2006 That new owner's girlfriend called about the tents and children living in the backyard and she was told they couldn't do anything because of "no warrant" - yet another "lackey" not doing his job - sheriff deputy never ran PG through nothing to see status so - without that VITAL info - sure, the no warrant statement is right to appease a concerned citizen - But even SHE told the deputy that PG was an RSO.

I predict there will be many, many, many heads gonna roll over this one before its done.

[nursebeeme]

Ok what do we have?

Paroled from Leavenworth 1988 sent to nevada

Nevada paroled 1988 (like a revolving door from Leavenworth)

Katherine C. (victim that convicted him) spoke with parole officer after "spotting" him at her work Approx 89/90 - Parole officer's snarky remark about "sick puppy" and offending again - just not HER"

Jaycee taken 1991

PG BACK BEHIND BARS from 4/93 to 8/93 for Parole Violation that we have no clue as to what.

1999 Released from FEDERAL parole for good. Still saying he's on LIFETIME parole - which we believe came from Nevada and the rape / LIFE conviction.

2005 (give or take I can't remember) he's is "investigated" on an elder abuse / extortion charge with the old man next door. Nothing ever came out of it - old man put in nursing home $18K missing, and PG now has full care and control over that property - until sometime in 2006 when new owner bought it and again in

2006 That new owner's girlfriend called about the tents and children living in the backyard and she was told they couldn't do anything because of "no warrant" - yet another "lackey" not doing his job - sheriff deputy never ran PG through nothing to see status so - without that VITAL info - sure, the no warrant statement is right to appease a concerned citizen - But even SHE told the deputy that PG was an RSO.

I predict there will be many, many, many heads gonna roll over this one before its done.
the parole violation was federal... california is handling the nevada lifetime parole on interstate compact (to add to your list)

[SWAG1959]

the parole violation was federal... california is handling the nevada lifetime parole on interstate compact (to add to your list)
Do we know that? Or was it both? He was on Federal parole until 1999 - so 1993 he was still under Federal parole and he IS on LIFETIME parole from Nevada transferred to California. So this '93 parole violation was for both? How does that work? Who decides WHICH parole (God that sounds so stupid - "which" parole) has jurisdiction to be violated? Or is it WHAT he did that decides which parole is violated or is it just "assumed" that any parole violation constitutes BOTH paroles as being violated.

(((((((((((My head is dizzy - does that make any sense?))))))))))

[Patty G]

Ok - first - here's the quote about LE saying they needed a warrant. Came from the neighbor's call about the tents in the backyard and children living back there.




Erika Pratt said that two years ago, she called police after seeing what looked like a living compound with tents and sheds.

No warrant
Sheriff's deputies came to ask questions, Pratt said, but they told her that because they didn't have a warrant, they couldn't search the house.
"I always wished someone could do something about it," Pratt said. "It was like he was charging people to live there."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL#ixzz0PRbnnZS7

Still looking for the article about the parole violation in 93. Nevermind - my good buddy nursie found it.


So it was the neighbor who said: "they couldn't search the house because they didn't have a search warrant."

Is there anything where LE either verbally or written indicating "they didn't have a search warrant so they couldn't search the house?"

[SWAG1959]

So it was the neighbor who said: "they couldn't search the house because they didn't have a search warrant."

Is there anything where LE either verbally or written indicating "they didn't have a search warrant so they couldn't search the house?"
you might check that very first press conference by the Contra Costa County Sheriff - Rupf - his name was - big tall gentlemen - grandfartherly looking guy. I remember he talked in depth about that deputy that investigated the "tents in backyard" complaint. I do know he (the sheriff) said that the deputy never ran PG through the system to see his status.

[nursebeeme]

Do we know that? Or was it both? He was on Federal parole until 1999 - so 1993 he was still under Federal parole and he IS on LIFETIME parole from Nevada transferred to California. So this '93 parole violation was for both? How does that work? Who decides WHICH parole (God that sounds so stupid - "which" parole) has jurisdiction to be violated? Or is it WHAT he did that decides which parole is violated or is it just "assumed" that any parole violation constitutes BOTH paroles as being violated.

(((((((((((My head is dizzy - does that make any sense?)))))))))) upstream Linask posted the link that said the parole violation was federal. And this is where the disconnection started to crumble I believe! The federal system SHOULD have notified Nevada or California since they had interstate compact authority as one violation of parole would have made Nevada make him serve the rest of his sentence IF THEY HAD KNOWN. Let me go back and get the article...brb

[nursebeeme]

No cohesiveness between Fed or State

Available federal and state parole records show that Phillip Garrido was released from a Nevada prison in 1988 only to violate his federal parole in California five years later.

But Garrido, suspected of kidnapping Jaycee Lee Dugard from South Lake Tahoe in 1991, served just a four months in federal prison for the parole violation in 1993.
Nevada officials were never informed of his parole violation.

“If we had been notified of that we would have done a retake,” said Gail Powell, spokeswoman for the Nevada Department of Public Safety. She said he would have been brought back to serve the remainder of his sentence in Carson City.
“We were never informed,” she said. “I don’t know why.”
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090828/NEWS/90828055/1321 (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090828/NEWS/90828055/1321)


the above post was by Linask

[SWAG1959]

I gotcha nursie!! He violated - the 4 months was for Federal violation and the Fed "should" have notified Nevada because he's on LIFETIME there and even ONE violation would have sent him up the river - but Nevada was NEVER notified.

Wow.

[nursebeeme]

Federal records show Garrido violated his federal parole in 1993, but Nevada officials were not informed and didn’t know about the violation until being asked about it by the Reno Gazette-Journal on Friday.


http://www.rgj.com/article/20090828/NEWS/90828055/1321

maybe the answer to federal and state communication is THE FREAKING MEDIA! I mean really??? The first they heard of it!

[nursebeeme]

you might check that very first press conference by the Contra Costa County Sheriff - Rupf - his name was - big tall gentlemen - grandfartherly looking guy. I remember he talked in depth about that deputy that investigated the "tents in backyard" complaint. I do know he (the sheriff) said that the deputy never ran PG through the system to see his status. yes! And in his interview he also said that they guy was an excellent officer and he had no plans to punish him for it... okay... that is breakdown in the system number (I forget what number we are on!!!! there have been so many in this case)

Another lost chance to learn from a mistake. Great.

[SWAG1959]

AND - THAT all took place BEFORE Jaycee had her first child. He and the subhuman female had her in capitivity in '93 though. This is going to be a fascinating case to follow the "civil" suit that will arise (and believe you me - IT WILL ARISE). I personally don't see a leg either California, Nevada and the Fed have to stand on - ALL THREE dropped the ball.

[nursebeeme]

I think they dropped the ball, stepped on it, ran it over with a mack truck, and sent it to rot in a landfill somewhere!

[LinasK]

F.Y.I. Lake Tahoe encompasses both California and Nevada. The border runs through the lake. All you have to do to cross the border, is cross the street signal at Stateline, where the casinos are and you are in Nevada. Reno is not far from Tahoe. The city of South Lake Tahoe is in California, as is Meyers.

[ChaCha]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=66029

SACRAMENTO, CA - Although Phillip Garrido kidnapped Jaycee Dugard and raised a secret family under the noses of multiple parole agents in two jurisdictions, a California parole official defended the process.

"There's no doubt this criminal fooled a lot of jurisdictions for a long time," said Scott Kernan, and undersecretary at the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. "I have no sense of embarrassment for my department. I think they acted appropriately."

[SWAG1959]

A federal court official said Garrido violated the terms of his parole while living in northern California in 1993 and was returned to federal custody for four months. The official did not have specific information about the parole violation.


I want this question answered now!!!!! :furious: :furious: :furious:

[nursebeeme]

ITA.. what did he do to violate his federal parole? I think that I will email the news outlet that first reported on it... seems like they are the only ones getting any answers!

[ThoughtFox]

Such a tragedy ~ I almost can't believe this, but then again, I do believe it.

:mad:

[mysteriew]

Jailed kidnap monster Phillip Garrido's chilling letter asked judge to give him a second chance

Just one year into a half-century sentence for kidnapping and raping a woman in 1976, Phillip Garrido claimed he was rehabilitated and deserved a second chance.

He sent a chilling handwritten note to a Nevada judge in March 1978 boasting of his “progress” and requesting a chance for parole in eight years.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/09/01/2009-09-01_jailed_kidnap_monster_phillip_garridos_chilling _letter_asked_judge_to_give_him_a.html

[mysteriew]

Under sentencing guidelines now in place, Garrido would have been behind bars for more than two decades - and wouldn't have been free in 1991 when 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard was snatched off the street in South Lake Tahoe, not far from where Garrido kidnapped Katie Callaway Hall in 1976.

But under 1970s-era sentencing laws, Garrido was eligible for federal parole after just 10 years - and he was set free in 1988.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/01/BANS19GU6D.DTL

[mysteriew]

A good explanation of the parole system and how he got parole, and how the system has changed.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/how_jaycee_lee_duggards_tormen.html

[SWAG1959]

A good explanation of the parole system and how he got parole, and how the system has changed.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/how_jaycee_lee_duggards_tormen.html
I'll "give ya" the parole -

I still wanna know what he did to "violate probation" and be put back in for 4 months. I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want this question answered.

Why is this such a "secret"? We all know LE has so much egg on their faces over this ....but this stuff should be public record. Why are we NOT being told?

[mysteriew]

I'll "give ya" the parole -

I still wanna know what he did to "violate probation" and be put back in for 4 months. I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want this question answered.

Why is this such a "secret"? We all know LE has so much egg on their faces over this ....but this stuff should be public record. Why are we NOT being told?

I agree, but I think that this whole thing has been FUBAR all around. I too would like to know about the parole violation, and why they don't want to give out the info. LOL, that makes me think that maybe it was something pretty bad and that they are afraid of a public outcry if they let it out.

[ChaCha]

From story in Mercury News
Federal, state authorities both missed Jaycee (http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_13246289?nclick_check=1)
A spokesman for the United States Parole Commission said he did not know the nature of the violation.

Garrido served 11 years of a 50-year sentence under federal rules that changed in 1987, which now require convicts to serve at least 85 percent of their federal sentences. Before, a federal parole panel would determine a parole eligibility date as the inmate entered prison.

"If you were a model citizen and did your time and didn't cause problems, more than likely when you were eligible, you'd be granted parole," said Jack Gillund, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Francisco.
Under current rules, "Chances are, yeah, he'd still be in prison today," Gillund said.

A crime victim may file a complaint against any employee of the Department of Justice who violated or failed to provide the rights established under the Crime Victims' Rights Act of 2004, 18 U.S.C. § 3771.

OVC complaint form from Office of Victim's Rights Ombudsman
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/vr/index.html

How to file a complaint:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/vr/complaint/index.html
Two things one needs to know about the ombudsman.

1. your rights have to be violated specifically by a federal officer (FBI, etc.) for them to investigate, not just in a federal case.

2. One has extremely limited authority to compel any action in response even if one does determine a violation of a victim's rights.

I don't say that to discourage but to help frame expectations should Jaycee choose to file a complaint.

[SWAG1959]

I think Jaycee AND her family should file a lawsuit (not just a complaint). I don't care about our government or the economy. I would like to see this turn into the first BILLION dollar lawsuit - Lord knows this family deserves it all around - and I certainly don't see a problem with this administration paying it (they payin' for a whole lotta other chit that doesn't really matter)!

[Zuckerschnecke]

I'll "give ya" the parole -

I still wanna know what he did to "violate probation" and be put back in for 4 months. I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want this question answered.

Why is this such a "secret"? We all know LE has so much egg on their faces over this ....but this stuff should be public record. Why are we NOT being told?

This may have since been addressed, but if you read sfgate.com today, there is an article that runs down his history inc. the parole violation. Looks like he served time for marijuana possession.

[SWAG1959]

Busted for marijuana
In 1993 - two years after he allegedly kidnapped Dugard - Garrido violated his federal parole by possessing marijuana. He served a stint in prison from April to August that year.

Powell said her agency was never informed of the violation and instead kept getting positive reports from federal authorities.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/02/MNNS19GU6D.DTL

about half way down the page. So, he "possessed marijuana" - what were the circumstances surrounding that bust? I mean- he didn't just walk up to a cop and say "here, I have some pot".

And according to that article he did go behind bars and not just home confinement.

[ChaCha]

Gail Powell, a spokeswoman for the Nevada Department of Public Safety, said federal authorities at the time told the state that "his progress reports were good. I don't know the specifics, other than he was coming along nicely."

In 1993 - two years after he allegedly kidnapped Dugard - Garrido violated his federal parole by possessing marijuana. He served a stint in prison from April to August that year.



Powell said her agency was never informed of the violation and instead kept getting positive reports from federal authorities.


"We could have revoked him," she said. "We definitely would have done something."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/02/MNNS19GU6D.DTL#ixzz0PyzgHQMb

[Pink Panther]

I am so disgusted by how the "system" is supposed to work and how it just DOESN'T work! From his getting out of a 50 year term after just 11 years, to his bogus parole checks throughout the past 20 years. Revolting and embarassing to say the least! I hope a lot of heads roll here and that something is finally done to fix a system that is VERY OBVIOUSLY broken. This case enrages me because it could have been avoided if some common sense and some proper (real NOT BUREAUCRATIC) checks had actually been in place!

Who let this guy out in the first place? And what other stupid decisions has he/she made?

MOO

[ChaCha]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#32663869

[Whisperer]

Does anyone know where he served those 4 months?

[SWAG1959]

Does anyone know where he served those 4 months?
Nope - there is still some "confusion" about this. We've heard he was just given "home confinement" and other accounts say he is "behind bars" - we don't know where.

[ChaCha]

According to these articles

The Feds didn't do their job and notify the State? The Feds really dropped the ball - they had him in federal prison for a parole violation and didn't think to notify the State?! And they sent in POSITIVE reports?!

According to RGJ.com (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090828/NEWS/90828055/1321):

A violation of Garrido’s parole conditions sent him back to federal prison in California from April to August of 1993, records show. But Dick Carelli, spokesman for the federal Office of Court Administration, did not know what Garrido did to violate parole.

Authorities are trying to piece together how and by whom Dugard was held during Garrido’s four-month prison stay in 1993, California investigators said.And San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/02/MNNS19GU6D.DTL#ixzz0Q38phyMb):
In 1993 - two years after he allegedly kidnapped Dugard - Garrido violated his federal parole by possessing marijuana. He served a stint in prison from April to August that year.

Powell said her agency was never informed of the violation and instead kept getting positive reports from federal authorities.
"We could have revoked him," she said. "We definitely would have done something."

California took over Garrido's parole supervision in 1999. He didn't record a single violation, said state parole spokesman Gordon Hinkle.

[Trino]

Because of crowded conditions, California is letting out 40,000 prisoners (court order) in the next two years. That's roughly 1600 per month or 1 out of every 4. The recidivism rate is 70%. Tell me some of those 40,000 aren't sex offenders...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prisons-brown6-2009aug06,0,3873678.story

[LinasK]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#32663869
I hope Wendy Murphy sincerely means it and sues the Parole Board. And she's right, why haven't we heard from NOW about this tragedy???

[nursebeeme]

Patrick McQuaid met Jaycee Lee Dugard shortly after her abduction. He told the Contra Costa Times that he thinks it was the summer of 1991 when a pretty blond girl who said her name was Jaycee talked with him through the chicken wire fence that separated their Antioch backyards. He remembers an adult male coming out and ushering her inside. Shortly after that a tall solid fence appeared, halting any communication.

McQuaid says he didn't see children at the house again until recently, when he saw two girls who looked to be eight and ten riding in Garrido's car. He took note of it, he says, because "Creepy Phil" as the neighbors called him, was a registered sex offender.


http://www.examiner.com/x-6741-SF-Family-Examiner~y2009m8d29-Normal-sex-becoming-father-changed-Garrido-news-and-video-roundup

[Pink Panther]

Good to hear that Patrick McQuaid took note of it...Shame he didn't find it within himself to do something about it; given that he knew that "creepy Phil" was a registered sex offender. How many people in this case have performed as EPIC FAILS!???

Most of all - those in a position to do something at both a federal and a state level. SHAME ON THEM ALL!

MOO

[Pink Panther]

Wendy Murphy totally pizzes me off but I totally 100% agree with her that this family should sue. Sue! Sue! Sue! Every agency involved dropped the ball BIG TIME here and they should all be held accountable. What an embarassment! What a friggin' farce in the name of "protection". In fact, I think the entire "program" deserves a review and rehaul as a result of this case! Horrific!

MOO

[Shari_Gal]

Nope - there is still some "confusion" about this. We've heard he was just given "home confinement" and other accounts say he is "behind bars" - we don't know where.


he was transferred to home confinement for the remainder of his sentence for the parole violation until August 1993.

So he served a month incarcerated, in prison for the parole violation, then served the remainder of the 1993 4 month sentence in home confinement:

"He was arrested again in Apr. 1993 because of another parole violation. The next month he was transferred to home detention and relieved of supervision in Aug. 1993."


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d1-Jaycee-Lee-Dugard-case-Phillip-Garrido-admitted-he-was-overcome-by-fantasies-of-rape (http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner%7Ey2009m9d1-Jaycee-Lee-Dugard-case-Phillip-Garrido-admitted-he-was-overcome-by-fantasies-of-rape)

When someone is found to have violated parole they are most often taken into custody, not house arrest.

A person can start out serving their sentence in prison, then finish the sentence in home confinement (maybe Garrido went back to court and told the judge he was needed at home to care for his aging mother Patricia)

[ChaCha]

Jaycee Lee Dugard case: Neighbors thought Phillip Garrido was weird but took comfort in visits by parole officer
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/NEWS/908290346/1321

[wicket]

Maybe this is the wrong spot for this and if so I apologize. But, what good are these GPS's or whatever they are on these sicko-pedofiles' ankles. Am I not understanding what they are capable of doing or not doing in keeping track of these nutjobs? We are going to the expense of purchasing and attaching these tracking devices on these 'animals' yet to what good? Have they actually saved someone or convicted someone? My curious mind wants/needs to know.

[ChaCha]

Maybe this is the wrong spot for this and if so I apologize. But, what good are these GPS's or whatever they are on these sicko-pedofiles' ankles. Am I not understanding what they are capable of doing or not doing in keeping track of these nutjobs? We are going to the expense of purchasing and attaching these tracking devices on these 'animals' yet to what good? Have they actually saved someone or convicted someone? My curious mind wants/needs to know.

In my daughters case it saved her life. It depends on who puts it on IDOC or circuit court. And who is watching and that they don't use the GPS as an excuse not to do their job and check on the parole.

I think they are very useful if used properly. They're a tool just like a pencil is a tool it won't draw a picture the person needs to use it.

They do help to convict those who run or violate the safe zones and the prisoners hate them because they (or most have curfews). There is no legal recourse for them to have them removed once in place by DOC. Prisoners don't like that. Go see what prisoners talk about. That's how I found out about GPS from them on www.prisontalk.com (http://www.prisontalk.com) prisoners find many ways around the system. We need to be a step a head not behind them.

What I've found is you as a victim have to be involved in the process and check and dbl check everything. Many people don't want to do that and just want to move on with their lives. Or some die. It's very sad.

I personally believe they are a good tool if used properly. I also wish there was more accountability and less passing the buck when things go wrong.

Many GPS are being used in phones and postal service for $4.99 a month. Many states have the criminal pay for it. It's a good tool if used properly. I think it gave a false sense of security just like the officers visiting Garrido did the neighbors. Follow through and accountability and transparency between justice divisions is a must. I don't understand why it isn't being done.

Here's a story about a rapist who was let out and they forgot to put the GPS on him. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-lincoln-park-rapesep04,0,2129655.story

This is an epidemic and all of you ought to be able to see that.

• Look at all the crimes you help investigate
• Look at the huge numbers of the missing
• Look at the rise in sex trafficking
• Look at the stories you watch on dateline and like shows

We need to find a way to help deter crime just like you do with health. Like not smoking to decrease lung cancer.

[raindrops300]

Good to hear that Patrick McQuaid took note of it...Shame he didn't find it within himself to do something about it; given that he knew that "creepy Phil" was a registered sex offender. How many people in this case have performed as EPIC FAILS!???

Most of all - those in a position to do something at both a federal and a state level. SHAME ON THEM ALL!

MOO

The linked article in the examiner fails to mention that he (McQuaid) was 9 years old at the time.

[LinasK]

updated 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
By Stephanie Chen
CNN
There were at least 16 visits from parole officers and seven by the fire department. There was also one by the sheriff's office responding to an allegation that people were living in the backyard. State and local authorities have now begun internal investigations to find out why none of these visits uncovered the existence of Dugard, now 29, and her children, Starlet, 15, and Angel, 11. more at link: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/garrido.dugard.missed.opportunities/

[my2sisters]

Tightening The Parole Watch On Sex Offenders (http://thecrimereport.org/2009/09/15/tightening-the-parole-watch-on-sex-offenders/)

Tuesday, September 15th, 2009 12:37 pm
Filed under: Parole, Probation

Efforts by probation and parole officers to improve their public image took a big hit with the 18-year abduction of Jaycee Lee Dugard in California. Defendant Phillip Garrido, a sex offender, was visited periodically by a parole officer, but it took nearly two decades to catch on to the fact that he had abducted the then-11-year-old Dugard and later fathered two children with her.

Granted that it was a parole officer who finally discovered the scheme this summer, why did it take so long?



.” More (http://thecrimereport.org/2009/09/15/tightening-the-parole-watch-on-sex-offenders/)

[mysteriew]

I am wondering if the PO he had maybe had listened to PG's discussions on religion, his 'voice box' and maybe thought he might be a harmless kook, who was too far gone to be a danger now?

I do wonder how long he had been PG's PO, how much attention he had paid to PG's previous conviction, and how much he considered the fact that a sex offender, esp a violent sex offender, just doesn't change over and go straight.

[LinasK]

Veteran parole officers know that sex offenders typically are “manipulative and secretive,” says Bill Burrell, former director of adult probation in New Jersey, who now trains officials. “They don’t want people looking around” to find violations of their release conditions. Agents appear to have done only superficial checking on Garrido, Burrell says, adding, “They should have done more aggressive searches of the property.”

Another longtime parole official, who declined to be identified, called the California case a “major screw-up.” Said this official: “One of the main reasons to do home visits is to ensure there is nothing out of the ordinary occurring at the residence. The fact that they did not see the tent [where the young women were living] is unbelievable. Thorough examination of the residence looking for signs of wrongful activities specific to the offender’s criminal history is vital.” More (http://thecrimereport.org/2009/09/15/tightening-the-parole-watch-on-sex-offenders/)
About time somebody from LE admits it was a major screw-up, instead of the attititude we're hearing along the lines of: "but look, it was a parole agent who busted him now!":mad::mad::mad:

[Californian]

Tightening The Parole Watch On Sex Offenders (http://thecrimereport.org/2009/09/15/tightening-the-parole-watch-on-sex-offenders/)

Burrell says, adding, “They should have done more aggressive searches of the property.”

Another longtime parole official, who declined to be identified, called the California case a “major screw-up.” Said this official: “One of the main reasons to do home visits is to ensure there is nothing out of the ordinary occurring at the residence. The fact that they did not see the tent [where the young women were living] is unbelievable. Thorough examination of the residence looking for signs of wrongful activities specific to the offender’s criminal history is vital.” More (http://thecrimereport.org/2009/09/15/tightening-the-parole-watch-on-sex-offenders/)

It's sad to say - because (imo) a PO with common sense would do this (and I don't want to hear the tired they have too big a case load argument) - but it looks like a new Policy needs to be drafted.

If an offender is living in a single family residence, follow up on the residence. Check available resources, i.e. County Records for the total square footage of the residence and the property (ya mean it didn't stop right out at that there fence :waitasec: ?) , check Google Maps for an overview of the area.

The same goes for task forces that sweep the offender's home, and the list goes on ...

[Californian]

.... the attititude we're hearing along the line of: "but look, it was a parole agent who busted him now!":mad::mad::mad:

It reminds me of "Good job, Brownie." :loser:.

[songline]

IMHO this PO should be retired, and given a plaque on a tree for having no "B**LS".
Yes an embarrassment award. He is a loser.
He did not do a job, he showed up for work so he can get a pension. :furious:
SOB should be fired.

The entire Parole enforcement should get a brand new Job description that they must do, or lose their pension.
PO's are always working with those that need to be monitored, and checked and not just stroked.

[Pink Panther]

How many parole officers have "supervised" this guy over an 18-year period? I am sure it's not just one. What is their role? What exactly are they instructed to do? How exactly are they charged to carry out their job? What were they doing? How were they doing it? What reports did they/did they not file? How many times has this convicted rapist kidnapper been psychologically evaluated since his release? How many times was he questioned? Where and when? How many times was his home surveyed? Inside and out? Did anyone ever look at where he was while on GPS? Was it recorded? Did someone ever look into this and write a report? Why didn't the parole officer (responsible at the time) never interview the neighbor that made the report of girls in the backyard ever interview the neighbor? Is there any report that includes questioning of the two legitimate individuals living with PG (NG and PG's mother)???

What the hay?

ETA - I hope that this horrific result manages to bring about changes to parole regulations that will help ensure that such a horrendous travesty of justice does not occur again.

[Pink Panther]

I've read pretty much everything available to read since JC was "found" and despite having enormous respect for the Berkeley officers and the po that eventually "clued in" to something being off...I remain convinced that PG wanted to be caught. He dropped off his "manifesto" to the FBI the week before he hit Berkeley to distribute pamphlets, he met with the Berkeley officers with "Allisa" and the girls and he showed up to the "scheduled" meeting with his parole officer, of his own volition, with his ENTIRE entourage!

If this isn't an example of a guy that wanted to get caught (for whatever reason he may have had) I don't know what is!

MOO

[my2sisters]

I've read pretty much everything available to read since JC was "found" and despite having enormous respect for the Berkeley officers and the po that eventually "clued in" to something being off...I remain convinced that PG wanted to be caught. He dropped off his "manifesto" to the FBI the week before he hit Berkeley to distribute pamphlets, he met with the Berkeley officers with "Allisa" and the girls and he showed up to the "scheduled" meeting with his parole officer, of his own volition, with his ENTIRE entourage!

If this isn't an example of a guy that wanted to get caught (for whatever reason he may have had) I don't know what is!

MOO

I've also thought this from the beginning. I think he was so delusional that he really thought once the public and LE heard of his discovery he would be exonerated of his past and become famous for his discovery. I think he had all his ducks in a row and thought it was now time to go public. He tried to do this without being caught but no one would give him the time of day.

[LinasK]

This guy screwed-up big time and there is no excusing it away! Jaycee could have been rescued years earlier if officer Santos had done any one of the following things: 1) check with other agencies regarding complaints, 2) talk to his next door neighbors- they saw and heard girls, tents, sheds, and loud parties back there, 3) checked property records/Google Maps/ Google Earth for the square footage of the property. 4) talked to his business associates- they would've told him about Garrido's "daughter Alissa".
Actually, parole officers are required by CA law to interview neighbors and business associates when dealing with high-level threats, which Garrido was one of. In the past 20 years, neighbors and others have said no PO ever interviewed them.

[mysteriew]

I've read pretty much everything available to read since JC was "found" and despite having enormous respect for the Berkeley officers and the po that eventually "clued in" to something being off...I remain convinced that PG wanted to be caught. He dropped off his "manifesto" to the FBI the week before he hit Berkeley to distribute pamphlets, he met with the Berkeley officers with "Allisa" and the girls and he showed up to the "scheduled" meeting with his parole officer, of his own volition, with his ENTIRE entourage!

If this isn't an example of a guy that wanted to get caught (for whatever reason he may have had) I don't know what is!

MOO

I read somewhere that PG had just recently started taking the girls out and about with him, to 'socialize' them. I think that was also part of it.

I just reread the interview that PG did in jail. IMO PG thinks he is the 2nd coming.

People are going to be coming forward at this trial and that’s not all. I am going to give them at least in a state of shock when you see how many hundreds of thousands of people are going to come out and start testifying about something.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/jaycee-lee-dugard/6105540/Phillip-Garridos-interview-transcript.html

So he thinks that hundreds of thousands of people are going to read his document and it will so change their lives that they will flock to his rescue and he will lead them.

I hate to say this. But PG may have been somewhat normal, or at least cognizant and capable of telling right from wrong when JC was kidnapped. But I am wondering if he will be found capable of standing trial? He goes off topic of the questions, has grandiose thinking. It is going to be close whether they will determine if he is capable of understanding and assisting in the defense strategy.

I think the parole officer saw similar behavior from PG and thought the same thing. This 'kook' isn't capable of planning and carrying out a crime so I can get some slack here. Visits probably consisted of something like "How ya doin Phil, any problems, anything I should know about? Ok then see you whenever. You stay out of trouble now."

[Natal]

I think the Garridos will probably end up like that pair that kidnapped Elizabeth Smart. No trial if that happens.

[Californian]

Garrido stayed under the radar, despite contacts
updated 12:46 p.m. EDT, Tue September 8, 2009
By Stephanie Chen
CNN

The parole agent who most recently entered Garrido's backyard didn't notice any children's toys or items to indicate that minors were living in the house. The agent saw a shed but assumed it belonged to a neighbor.

Entire article: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/garrido.dugard.missed.opportunities/index.html.


Parole agents are not paid to "assume." :banghead:

[Pink Panther]

The "parole agent" was filling out forms and I hope that he gets his chance to explain himself to Jaycee's family.

MOO

[my2sisters]

Garrido stayed under the radar, despite contacts
updated 12:46 p.m. EDT, Tue September 8, 2009
By Stephanie Chen
CNN

The parole agent who most recently entered Garrido's backyard didn't notice any children's toys or items to indicate that minors were living in the house. The agent saw a shed but assumed it belonged to a neighbor.

Entire article: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/garrido.dugard.missed.opportunities/index.html.


Parole agents are not paid to "assume." :banghead:

The photos released today really make it hard to defend the POs (non)actions. Looking at the backyard you would easily notice that parts are fenced off separately - like where the carports are. If he was looking he easily would have seen bikes and toys. Also, there had to be easy access to get to the far back of the property. I'm sure he didn't jump the fence as someone on here said the PO would have had to do!

[passionflower]

I hope several people are fired over this!
Those that did not do their job, I hope they have sleepless nights.
Just think this COULD and SHOULD of been stopped 20 years ago!!!
No one REALLY watched this monster.......he prob laughed at the LE.

[SunnieRN]

I just thank God that PG felt he was omnipotent and dropped the case into an inexcusably lax PO's lap!

[songline]

The "parole agent" was filling out forms and I hope that he gets his chance to explain himself to Jaycee's family.
MOO
:eek: I think it is best that he just run for the hills.:twocents:

[songline]

The photos released today really make it hard to defend the POs (non)actions. Looking at the backyard you would easily notice that parts are fenced off separately - like where the carports are. If he was looking he easily would have seen bikes and toys. Also, there had to be easy access to get to the far back of the property. I'm sure he didn't jump the fence as someone on here said the PO would have had to do!

The police that did not do their job should be publicly humiliated as "the biggest loser" with their names on some plaque, and their pension should be taken.

[MBK]

Interesting article in The Daily Beast, but I'm not sure that the writer has all her facts straight . . .

Why Jaycee Dugard Should Sue
by Wendy Murphy

As bones are found near Phillip Garrido’s property, Wendy Murphy says the pundits are wrong: Jaycee Dugard’s family absolutely must sue the parole officers who could have saved her.

Read the article HERE: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-10/why-jaycee-dugard-should-sue/?cid=bs:featured4

[LinasK]

Posted: 09/22/2009 04:33:04 PM PDT
Updated: 09/22/2009 05:33:45 PM PDT
<snipped>For eight years after Jaycee Dugard's abduction, through the sexual bondage of her teen years and the birth of her two girls fathered by Phillip Garrido, state and local authorities likely had no clue that a convicted sex offender was living at the house on Walnut Avenue near Antioch.

It appears Garrido didn't register as a sex offender in California until 1999, despite his 1976 convictions in Nevada for kidnapping and raping a female casino worker, and the fact he was under federal parole supervision over those years.

It may be nobody ever told him to register, a top federal parole official said.

There may be many others like him — people who were convicted of sex crimes in other states, moved to California and have since flown below the sex offender radar, a state Department of Justice official acknowledged.
Article:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_13396226

[songline]

I found myself not even wanting to read this thread
because
I have said my part about the PO in several threads.

But I do want to say this here:

I find it especially refreshing when I read about or meet people who CARE.
And I find myself increasingly angry about those who do not care.

I think we are way overpopulated anyway.
It would be fine with me if God and his wisdom did away
with all the people who do not care. :silenced:

[LinasK]

By Thomas Portue
Guest commentary
Posted: 09/26/2009 12:01:00 AM PDT
In response to recent letters by Dale Myer and Sheriff's posse member Jack Roddy, the residents of Contra Costa should consider Sheriff Warren Rupf's "stand up" regarding Jaycee Dugard as nothing more than political posturing in the face of well-deserved scrutiny.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/opin...nclick_check=1 (http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_13421122?nclick_check=1)

[Tizzle]

I read somewhere that PG had just recently started taking the girls out and about with him, to 'socialize' them. I think that was also part of it.

I just reread the interview that PG did in jail. IMO PG thinks he is the 2nd coming.



So he thinks that hundreds of thousands of people are going to read his document and it will so change their lives that they will flock to his rescue and he will lead them.

I hate to say this. But PG may have been somewhat normal, or at least cognizant and capable of telling right from wrong when JC was kidnapped. But I am wondering if he will be found capable of standing trial? He goes off topic of the questions, has grandiose thinking. It is going to be close whether they will determine if he is capable of understanding and assisting in the defense strategy.

I think the parole officer saw similar behavior from PG and thought the same thing. This 'kook' isn't capable of planning and carrying out a crime so I can get some slack here. Visits probably consisted of something like "How ya doin Phil, any problems, anything I should know about? Ok then see you whenever. You stay out of trouble now."

BBM
The kookiest of the kooks can a lot of the time be extremely intelligent, sometimes genius. This is overlooked by many that just write insane people off as stupid and harmless, missing the fact that most known serial killers are insane or criminally insane but extremely intelligent, sometimes intelligent enough to never get caught, i.e. Jack the Ripper, Zodiac, etc. To me, Phil falls into the category of a serial killer, even though he has not (yet) been known to murder he is a serial violent offender. Unfortunately, he wasn't viewed as a serial offender until recently because he had only been convicted of one violent crime. Which is the first mistake, because 9 times out of 10, violent sex offenders are habitual. (In all honestly, though, I feel that I'm being generous here by giving 10 percent to them being reformed.)

You're right in saying that he probably seemed harmless to his PO & LE. But there HAS to be something that can be done to make our justice system more efficient and that prevents horrible things like this from continually happening to innocent citizens. Reform should probably start with the training process that all of our paid officials go through in order to become an officer of the law, somewhere along the lines of psychology. They are supposed to be trained to understand the criminal mind, they are supposed to be trained to protect us and didn't. I understand they have quite the heavy caseload and that California's and the rest of the country's current economic structure is extremely fragile and can't handle more staff, but its no excuse for such an enormous miscarriage of justice. In a perfect world, it would go like this...since the State of California and the U.S. Government failed Jaycee so horribly and she was robbed of her constitutional rights, as a result of their absolute neglect, Garridos should be robbed of their constitutional rights to a fair trial. They should bypass the trial process completely, save the tax payers the added expense and ship em off to general population in the worst prisons our country has to offer. Let those animals do what they do to animals like Phil n Nancy in prison. Too bad this ain't a perfect world, huh? It sickens me that these 2 pieces of filth will be allowed more rights to fairness than they ever allowed Jaycee to have.

[JBean]

was he or wasn't he on parole a time of arrest? I heard a piece the other night that included a reading of a letter from the head of parole(or other agnecy) commending him on his exemplary behavior and releasing him from parole. I also know there are several agencies involved and I am not up to speed on that so perhaps this is just one agency and he was on parole with another?
help and thanks.

[Natal]

Well, if Garrido had apparently kept his nose clean for 20 years it isn't surprising that they would be paying more attention to other cases in their caseload that presented more immiment threat.

If you have a 100 or so parolees to supervise, who are you going to be watching most closely? The guy who has appeared to be following the rules for the last 20 years, or the guy who keeps on getting into trouble?

It's all very well to look at these things with 20/20 hindsight, but these guys have to work in the real world and have to manage and prioritise their caseload with the facts and evidence that is available to them.

[JBean]

Well, if Garrido had apparently kept his nose clean for 20 years it isn't surprising that they would be paying more attention to other cases in their caseload that presented more immiment threat.

If you have a 100 or so parolees to supervise, who are you going to be watching most closely? The guy who has appeared to be following the rules for the last 20 years, or the guy who keeps on getting into trouble?

It's all very well to look at these things with 20/20 hindsight, but these guys have to work in the real world and have to manage and prioritise their caseload with the facts and evidence that is available to them.
Natal, I was thinking something similar early on. but other repots have shown that this officer had a smaller caseload than typical PO's.(70 or less I think?)
If there were no reports at all and no reasons to investigate I would also agree, but it does not seem that was the case. Opportunities were missed and that is where I have a problem.

[LinasK]

was he or wasn't he on parole a time of arrest? I heard a piece the other night that included a reading of a letter from the head of parole(or other agnecy) commending him on his exemplary behavior and releasing him from parole. I also know there are several agencies involved and I am not up to speed on that so perhaps this is just one agency and he was on parole with another?
help and thanks.
There was an earlier article stating that Officer Edward Santos has been his parole officer since at least 1999. Don't know about prior to that...

[JBean]

There was an earlier article stating that Officer Edward Santos has been his parole officer since at least 1999. Don't know about prior to that...okay I found this:

>>The first of these is the U.S. Parole Commission, which discharged Garrido from federal parole supervision in 1999. As we know now, that was eight years after he is alleged to have kidnapped Dugard <<
snip
>> Upon ending his parole supervision 11 years later, a federal administrator lauded Garrido in a document for "having responded positively to supervision," even though the convicted kidnapper had committed three drug offenses while in federal custody.
The Sacramento Bee unearthed these laudatory comments about Garrido through a Freedom of Information Act request. <<

http://www.montereyherald.com/opinion/ci_13418068

[Tizzle]

was he or wasn't he on parole a time of arrest? I heard a piece the other night that included a reading of a letter from the head of parole(or other agnecy) commending him on his exemplary behavior and releasing him from parole. I also know there are several agencies involved and I am not up to speed on that so perhaps this is just one agency and he was on parole with another?
help and thanks.

I'm pretty sure that was when he was released form Federal custody about 10 years ago. He was on lifetime parole in State of Cali after he was handed over to them by Nevada, though.

[LinasK]

okay I found this:

>>The first of these is the U.S. Parole Commission, which discharged Garrido from federal parole supervision in 1999. As we know now, that was eight years after he is alleged to have kidnapped Dugard <<
snip
>> Upon ending his parole supervision 11 years later, a federal administrator lauded Garrido in a document for "having responded positively to supervision," even though the convicted kidnapper had committed three drug offenses while in federal custody.
The Sacramento Bee unearthed these laudatory comments about Garrido through a Freedom of Information Act request. <<

http://www.montereyherald.com/opinion/ci_13418068
Wonder if that administrator is kicking himself now???:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

[Natal]

There was an earlier article stating that Officer Edward Santos has been his parole officer since at least 1999. Don't know about prior to that...

No, he was under the Californian parole supervision from that time, and they declined to say how many times Santos had visited him. They made no comment about when Santos became his PO.

[kbl8201]

lol i like that "he was a model citizen even though he was busted for 3 drug offenses while in federal custody"
wtf? i guess it's ok to be a junkie while being on parole for being a rapist? wtf is up with our legal system

[Tizzle]

Anyone know what kind of drugs on all 3 drug charges besides the parole violation for marijuana in 93? What kind of testing was used on Garrido to detect recent LSD use? Shouldn't he have been tested regularly for it since it was apparently his drug of choice and also, as claims have been made, the reason for his psychotic and criminal behavior. Is it even possible to get an accurate LSD detection as I've heard it never leaves your system but is the hardest to detect? Any ideas?

[kbl8201]

Anyone know what kind of drugs on all 3 drug charges besides the parole violation for marijuana in 93? What kind of testing was used on Garrido to detect recent LSD use? Shouldn't he have been tested regularly for it since it was apparently his drug of choice and also, as claims have been made, the reason for his psychotic and criminal behavior. Is it even possible to get an accurate LSD detection as I've heard it never leaves your system but is the hardest to detect? Any ideas?

i know it seems i do the majority of my spewing on slayton. but seriously........how can they not violate him? or ony violate him for one month.........not investigate his house? tear it up looking for more drugs??????? how is it jaycee slipped thru the cracks so many times :furious: and now this piece of cr*p and his dad are claiming the drugs and the motorcycle accident made him a sexual predator.............grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :banghead:

[LinasK]

Parole Agent, System Under Microscope
POSTED: 2:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
UPDATED: 3:03 pm PDT September 28, 2009
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The state Office of the Inspector General is conducting an independent investigation into how the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation handled Phillip Garrido's parole supervision, KCRA 3 has learned.
<snipped>
"A child that could be held kidnapped and held for that many years under parole supervision of our state, and then not pick up on the fact that there were juveniles in the house and so on, that's why we're looking at it," Shaw said. "And also to prevent something like this from happening again." http://www.kcra.com/news/21141220/detail.html


About time!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[Joanie]

John and Ken (on KFI radio, Los Angeles) had an interesting idea... (if this has been said in this thread before, please forgive the repeat) What if the parole office DID see Jaycee and/or the girls, and *didn't* pick up on it? Since they aren't making any statements about how often he visited, etc, it may be because at some point he ran across them, and bought whatever story Garrido was telling him.

My thought:

What might Garrido have told the PO? Visiting cousins? Just an employee with her two out-of-wedlock daughters? If the parole officer had grown complacent over the years, he may not have been suspicious enough. Then, when Garrido was dragging the girls around at Berkeley and the parole officer found out, he knew that the story wasn't true and that's why Garrido had to bring the whole group in.

[kbl8201]

John and Ken (on KFI radio, Los Angeles) had an interesting idea... (if this has been said in this thread before, please forgive the repeat) What if the parole office DID see Jaycee and/or the girls, and *didn't* pick up on it? Since they aren't making any statements about how often he visited, etc, it may be because at some point he ran across them, and bought whatever story Garrido was telling him.

My thought:

What might Garrido have told the PO? Visiting cousins? Just an employee with her two out-of-wedlock daughters? If the parole officer had grown complacent over the years, he may not have been suspicious enough. Then, when Garrido was dragging the girls around at Berkeley and the parole officer found out, he knew that the story wasn't true and that's why Garrido had to bring the whole group in.

what about when he was told garrido had kids and he allegedly said "he doesnt have any kids, they must be his grandkids???" OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG if that is true this guy needs to not only be fired and possibly prosecuted, he needs to go to remedial sex ed class as community service........:banghead:

[Natal]

what about when he was told garrido had kids and he allegedly said "he doesnt have any kids, they must be his grandkids???" OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG if that is true this guy needs to not only be fired and possibly prosecuted, he needs to go to remedial sex ed class as community service........:banghead:

Thats the response from someone who just heard something completely unexpected and is temporarily confused by it. It's normal, people do and say stuff like that all the time in situations like that. It doesn't mean that he thinks grandchildren pop out of thin air, like you seem to believe. Plus, of course, this is someone else's recollection, he may not have said that at all.

Btw, why do you end every second post with the headbang icon? Unresolved anger issues?

[kbl8201]

Thats the response from someone who just heard something completely unexpected and is temporarily confused by it. It's normal, people do and say stuff like that all the time in situations like that. It doesn't mean that he thinks grandchildren pop out of thin air, like you seem to believe. Plus, of course, this is someone else's recollection, he may not have said that at all.

Btw, why do you end every second post with the headbang icon? Unresolved anger issues?

i see so he's not stupid about sex he's just stupid period
i bang my head repeatedly cause of the nonsense coming out of this case.

[LillyRush]

It is definitely about time! I was just about to say, I can't believe that in this economy with so many qualified people out of work and able to replace some of these idiots that they still have a job. :twocents:


Parole Agent, System Under Microscope
POSTED: 2:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
UPDATED: 3:03 pm PDT September 28, 2009
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The state Office of the Inspector General is conducting an independent investigation into how the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation handled Phillip Garrido's parole supervision, KCRA 3 has learned.
<snipped>
"A child that could be held kidnapped and held for that many years under parole supervision of our state, and then not pick up on the fact that there were juveniles in the house and so on, that's why we're looking at it," Shaw said. "And also to prevent something like this from happening again." http://www.kcra.com/news/21141220/detail.html


About time!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[kbl8201]

It is definitely about time! I was just about to say, I can't believe that in this economy with so many qualified people out of work and able to replace some of these idiots that they still have a job. :twocents:

does the judge know about this? i mean he went out of his way to kiss the po's butt at the bail hearing :furious:

[cindysue]

Well did I hear that JC confessed who she was and then PG admitted to what he had done to the PO after he asked who the extra people where? If that is the case we are lucky that PG made a bad judgement and JC made a good one. Just imagine if these two things hadnt happened..... And the answer to the PO question was a elaborate lie..if they made up anything..something that sounded convincing.... Raise your hand if you think he would have continued to beat the system. :hand:

[JBean]

I just listened to an interview with the inspector general. His name is Shaw. he said within 30 days they will post the entire report and findings on the their website and release it to the governor all at the same time.
He said they will post everything they find, the good, the bad and the ugly.
But, they will not release the names of the multiple parole officers involved.
He said if the DOC wants to release them they can, but the Inspector General's office cannot.
It was a good interview I will post when it is up in a podcast.
it will be here:
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/podcasting/
under john and Ken 4pm hour 9/29

[LinasK]

Posted: 7:54 am PDT September 30, 2009
SACRAMENTO -- Jaycee Dugard's alleged kidnappers went undetected for 18 years, a spokeswoman for California's inspector general said, and the office plans an investigation of the state's parole system "so that nothing like this happens again."
<snipped>
Phillip Garrido was monitored by five or six parole agents during the 10 years he was under California's control as a convicted rapist, said Laura Hill, spokeswoman for Inspector General David Shaw. He previously was under federal parole supervision for eight years. more at link: http://www.ktvu.com/news/21159143/detail.html
__________________

[kbl8201]

Well did I hear that JC confessed who she was and then PG admitted to what he had done to the PO after he asked who the extra people where? If that is the case we are lucky that PG made a bad judgement and JC made a good one. Just imagine if these two things hadnt happened..... And the answer to the PO question was a elaborate lie..if they made up anything..something that sounded convincing.... Raise your hand if you think he would have continued to beat the system. :hand:

i think he went there with the intent of coming up with a fascinating story the PO would believe. i think they seperated jaycee first and got the story from her then confronted him. i dont see this pos blurting it out.

[kbl8201]

Posted: 7:54 am PDT September 30, 2009
SACRAMENTO -- Jaycee Dugard's alleged kidnappers went undetected for 18 years, a spokeswoman for California's inspector general said, and the office plans an investigation of the state's parole system "so that nothing like this happens again."
<snipped>
Phillip Garrido was monitored by five or six parole agents during the 10 years he was under California's control as a convicted rapist, said Laura Hill, spokeswoman for Inspector General David Shaw. He previously was under federal parole supervision for eight years. more at link: http://www.ktvu.com/news/21159143/detail.html
__________________

5 or 6 parole agents? i guess i blamed mr santos unfairlly. seems there's no shortage of idiots in that deparment

[cindysue]

Well i could see one guy being incompetent and not seeing anything, but 6 different guys failing to do the same job says either they cant get good help or they on a regular basis don't check these people out like we think they are, so really if there not checking them out what are they doing? They arent talking to LE who isnt talking to the people who made complaints etc etc etc. :furious:

[kbl8201]

Well i could see one guy being incompetent and not seeing anything, but 6 different guys failing to do the same job says either they cant get good help or they on a regular basis don't check these people out like we think they are, so really if there not checking them out what are they doing? They arent talking to LE who isnt talking to the people who made complaints etc etc etc. :furious:

at least this agency is doing internal investigations. we already know that the keystone cops who blew it year years ago are off the hook and there punishment is 'they have to live with it" grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
also no fbi investigation into why they focused almost soley on carl (and secondarily on slayton). i did read the nov 1991 article that said that the local police cleared carl, but never heard or read anything from the fbi, then or now, least of all an apology for 1) letting jaycee's kidnappers get away with this for 18 years and 2) making carl look like a monster.

[Pink Panther]

Well i could see one guy being incompetent and not seeing anything, but 6 different guys failing to do the same job says either they cant get good help or they on a regular basis don't check these people out like we think they are, so really if there not checking them out what are they doing? They arent talking to LE who isnt talking to the people who made complaints etc etc etc. :furious:
6 different people NOT CLUEING IN indicates either a corrupt system or one that just has no interest in serving its actual function.

This case and it's horrific outcome should lead to MAJOR changes in the bureaucratic handling of guilty (and released offenders - of ANY crime) or to the appropriate handling of individuals who fail to serve their job functios!

MOO

[Pink Panther]

I'd like to add that I believe that the six (6) - ISTHATCORRECT - individuals involved with Garrido's "parole" should all be held under the same scrutiny as he has been! They have/had extremely important roles in protecting society and ensuring that the individual "under their care" was obeying the law.

Ararar.

I have no idea who they are...But surely, they're cowering under beadsheets somewhere knowing that they failed abysmally. FAIL to all of them.

Disgraceful.

MOO

[JBean]

It is important to understand that the inspector general's department is specifically to provide transparency to the public as it relates to the DOC. Shaw is an appointed official not elected. This a very powerful agency and they can get anything they want with regards to this investigation. Statutes say if they want any kind of information, the DOC is obliged to give it to them. They don't have to be popular or keep any group happy except the public. This IS their function. Statutes do not allow them to release individual names though.

I think this is going to be a very productive investigation.

here is where the report will be posted at about the end of the month. Shaw said that everyone will get it at the same time. that means Arnold will be reading it at the same time we are:

http://www.oig.ca.gov/

[kbl8201]

It is important to understand that the inspector general's department is specifically to provide transparency to the public as it relates to the DOC. Shaw is an appointed official not elected. This a very powerful agency and they can get anything they want with regards to this investigation. Statutes say if they want any kind of information, the DOC is obliged to give it to them. They don't have to be popular or keep any group happy except the public. This IS their function. Statutes do not allow them to release individual names though.

I think this is going to be a very productive investigation.

here is where the report will be posted at about the end of the month. Shaw said that everyone will get it at the same time. that means Arnold will be reading it at the same time we are:

http://www.oig.ca.gov/

thanks. the fact there investigating is a step up from the other incompetent agencies with a role in this mess

[kbl8201]

I'd like to add that I believe that the six (6) - ISTHATCORRECT - individuals involved with Garrido's "parole" should all be held under the same scrutiny as he has been! They have/had extremely important roles in protecting society and ensuring that the individual "under their care" was obeying the law.

Ararar.

I have no idea who they are...But surely, they're cowering under beadsheets somewhere knowing that they failed abysmally. FAIL to all of them.

Disgraceful.

MOO

to try to be hip i will say
EPIC FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
LOL

they are hardly the only LE agency that failed though

[LinasK]

Bumping this thread for my2sisters!

[Billylee]

Not sure if this link is here already, but on September 17, looks like there was a wake-up call. Yet apparently from this report, they did the same thing the Garrido's home, but just somehow didn't realize his backyard went back as far as it did. He probably told them that mid-fence line was the end of his yard and beyond that his neighbor's property. So there's a flaw that need to be fixed for sure. You need to know your property lines of your search area before you go looking and apparently Parole officers in the past didn't know it either. If they had, none of this would have happened, or at least not on that property.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Garrido-Case-Puts-New-Meaning-to-Sex-Offender-Sweep-59670647.html

[songline]

Well i could see one guy being incompetent and not seeing anything, but 6 different guys failing to do the same job says either they cant get good help or they on a regular basis don't check these people out like we think they are, so really if there not checking them out what are they doing? They arent talking to LE who isnt talking to the people who made complaints etc etc etc. :furious:

EXACTLY: I think their job description is - just show up to work and you will eventually get your pension.
While at work do not stir up anything at all, the department does not give a chit.
:furious: :furious: :furious:

[songline]

Not sure if this link is here already, but on September 17, looks like there was a wake-up call. Yet apparently from this report, they did the same thing the Garrido's home, but just somehow didn't realize his backyard went back as far as it did. He probably told them that mid-fence line was the end of his yard and beyond that his neighbor's property. So there's a flaw that need to be fixed for sure. You need to know your property lines of your search area before you go looking and apparently Parole officers in the past didn't know it either. If they had, none of this would have happened, or at least not on that property.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Garrido-Case-Puts-New-Meaning-to-Sex-Offender-Sweep-59670647.html

hmmm, he probably told them??? and since when is it that you do not check everything out that a person of his caliber says?

They did a lousy job for 18 years. Lousy! and should be sued. their pensions SHOULD be taken away.
A pension is a bonus for a job well done.
They did no job at all. @#$%^&*

[SunnieRN]

Maybe this is the wrong spot for this and if so I apologize. But, what good are these GPS's or whatever they are on these sicko-pedofiles' ankles. Am I not understanding what they are capable of doing or not doing in keeping track of these nutjobs? We are going to the expense of purchasing and attaching these tracking devices on these 'animals' yet to what good? Have they actually saved someone or convicted someone? My curious mind wants/needs to know.

Interesting gps snippet on youtube:

YouTube - Phillip Garrido Wore GPS Bracelet

[kbl8201]

They say she wasn't let out of the back yard for 3 1/2 years, presumably that info came from her. So, either her memory is faulty or the tip was wrong (probably made up). If it was that close to where he lives it is kind of ironic, since she may have been found 18 years ago if they had investigated the local sex offenders, even if the tip itself was bogus. But, maybe not, since he wasnt registered at the time.

well 10 years after he was registered he was still having his way.
just a real clusterfrig by every le agency involved

[songline]

he was a RSO before he came out of hes first jail stunt that was for Violent Rape - sentence 50 years served 14.
Yes he was RSO before he abducted JC.

[kbl8201]

he was a RSO before he came out of hes first jail stunt that was for Violent Rape - sentence 50 years served 14.
Yes he was RSO before he abducted JC.

yes the diffrence is after 1999 it switched from fedral supervision to state of california. both are responsible for this nightmare imo

[Natal]

he was a RSO before he came out of hes first jail stunt that was for Violent Rape - sentence 50 years served 14.
Yes he was RSO before he abducted JC.

He wasn't registered in California until 1999, when he came off federal parole, so he wouldn't have appeared on investigators radar.

[Tizzle]

he was a RSO before he came out of hes first jail stunt that was for Violent Rape - sentence 50 years served 14.
Yes he was RSO before he abducted JC.

His sentence was 5 years to life in Nevada for the rape plus 50 years in federal prison for the kidnapping. The sentences ran concurrently. He served barely 11 years before being released into the custody of the U.S. Parole Commission in 1988. He didn't register as a sex offender until 1999 when his supervision was handed over to CDCR.

Indeed, he was a sex offender when he abducted JC, but not a registered one.

[SunnieRN]

He wasn't registered in California until 1999, when he came off federal parole, so he wouldn't have appeared on investigators radar.


If this statement is true, then no state should allow a violent felon to reside in a state other than where their federal offense occured. Since his federal offense was in Nevada and you are saying he didn't have to register with CA where he was residing, what good did federal probation do? Why does it exist? This does not make sense at all? Someone had to be responsible for a felon on parole.

Wouldn't this be covered by parole jurisdiction agreements? I am truly at a loss here. I can not understand this!

[Tizzle]

If this statement is true, then no state should allow a violent felon to reside in a state other than where their federal offense occured. Since his federal offense was in Nevada and you are saying he didn't have to register with CA where he was residing, what good did federal probation do? Why does it exist? This does not make sense at all? Someone had to be responsible for a felon on parole.

Wouldn't this be covered by parole jurisdiction agreements? I am truly at a loss here. I can not understand this!

We all are wondering the same thing, I think, Sunn. Why, when he was under the supervision of the U.S. Parole Commission, didn't his FEDERAL PO make him register in California? The least forthcoming and probably the most negligent of all the deficient LE agencies involved is on the federal level, IMO. Starting with the committee/persons that approved his parole to begin with.

[SunnieRN]

We all are wondering the same thing, I think, Sunn. Why, when he was under the supervision of the U.S. Parole Commission, didn't his FEDERAL PO make him register in California? The least forthcoming and probably the most negligent of all the deficient LE agencies involved is on the federal level, IMO. Starting with the committee/persons that approved his parole to begin with.

Thank you for so eloquently stating what I was trying to get my mind and tongue around.

This is truly scary and how many felons fall into this same lack of supervision!?

[Tizzle]

Thank you for so eloquently stating what I was trying to get my mind and tongue around.

This is truly scary and how many felons fall into this same lack of supervision!?

Can't say for certain. But I'm fairly confident when I say, I don't think this animal is the only one they let out of the cage at the zoo...

[songline]

Can't say for certain. But I'm fairly confident when I say, I don't think this animal is the only one they let out of the cage at the zoo...
I agree - wow we finally agree on something.
No, the bafoons would not make such a mistake only once.:rolleyes:

[songline]

We all are wondering the same thing, I think, Sunn. Why, when he was under the supervision of the U.S. Parole Commission, didn't his FEDERAL PO make him register in California? The least forthcoming and probably the most negligent of all the deficient LE agencies involved is on the federal level, IMO. Starting with the committee/persons that approved his parole to begin with.


GOOD POST :clap: :clap: :clap:

[songline]

If this statement is true, then no state should allow a violent felon to reside in a state other than where their federal offense occured. Since his federal offense was in Nevada and you are saying he didn't have to register with CA where he was residing, what good did federal probation do? Why does it exist? This does not make sense at all? Someone had to be responsible for a felon on parole.

Wouldn't this be covered by parole jurisdiction agreements? I am truly at a loss here. I can not understand this!


Several very good points:BBM

[SunnieRN]

Several very good points:BBM

Thank you. That leads me to bring this discussion one step further. This system is obviously broken. Parents of victimized children have been protesting repeat offenders release from prison and lack of monitoring for years. (This case proves it is ineffective by its own merits).

So now on to the real meat and potatoes. What can we, as everyday citizens, do to reform the system as it is now? How can we raise enough awareness and protest to change how monitoring is done right now? What would incite our legislature/leaders to do the right thing? Protests, letter writing campaigns, news media blasts with information that is discovered on these and other forums, victims and their families putting themselves in the public eye, email campaigns, truth in sentencing laws, revoking the possibility of parole for any violent crime? Where do we start?

[songline]

Thank you. That leads me to bring this discussion one step further. This system is obviously broken. Parents of victimized children have been protesting repeat offenders release from prison and lack of monitoring for years. (This case proves it is ineffective by its own merits).

So now on to the real meat and potatoes. What can we, as everyday citizens, do to reform the system as it is now? How can we raise enough awareness and protest to change how monitoring is done right now? What would incite our legislature/leaders to do the right thing? Protests, letter writing campaigns, news media blasts with information that is discovered on these and other forums, victims and their families putting themselves in the public eye, email campaigns, truth in sentencing laws, revoking the possibility of parole for any violent crime? Where do we start?

They are all good questions, and I think that people like the Smart family and JC's family can do much to change some things. And sit on some committees that will make a difference.

Unfortunately the LE is very flawed and you can not say they don't get paid enough with the nice pensions they get, great perks, days off and more.
Our government is corrupt, and it trickles all the way down.

Sad is the fact that most of our politicians should also be questioned every month, we may find that there is reason why they allow LE to get away with what they get away with. (one hand washes the other)
Sad is the fact that Mo money, Mo money, Mo money is this nations Motto.

Sad is the fact that often times some sit in jail for 15 years and are then released as innocent.
Sad is the fact that some like PG get out, and should not.
Sad is the fact that even judges are often enough on the wrong side, or not awake.
Sad is the fact that we are in the information age and at a click of a computer button they can get all the information they need and they dont.

I have no answers only frustration.

[Natal]

If this statement is true, then no state should allow a violent felon to reside in a state other than where their federal offense occured. Since his federal offense was in Nevada and you are saying he didn't have to register with CA where he was residing, what good did federal probation do? Why does it exist? This does not make sense at all? Someone had to be responsible for a felon on parole.

Wouldn't this be covered by parole jurisdiction agreements? I am truly at a loss here. I can not understand this!

He was supposed to register, but he didn't. It has been suggested that no one told him that he had to, and apparently that isnt unusual. Either way, LE investigating the case would not have had his name pop up when they compared other leads against know sex offenders in the general area, because he wasnt on the list.

When he came off Federal supervision and onto State supervision in 1999, the oversight was picked up and he was registered then. But that was way too late to help LE with their investigations.

[songline]

Obviously when PG was put on the RSO list in 1999 it was too late :crazy: it only gave him 10 more years to abuse poor JC. It was still an open case.
too late for what?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????
:banghead:

[Natal]

There is some irony in this, if he had been registered properly when he was supposed to, chances are good that Jaycee would have been found within a few months of the kidnapping and been spared most of the last 18 years. But, if he had been registered he may have killed her fairly quickly because of the risk.

Of course there would have been no Starlet and Angel either, so they might have a different view from the rest of us as well.

[Natal]

Obviously when PG was put on the RSO list in 1999 it was too late :crazy: it only gave him 10 more years to abuse poor JC. It was still an open case.
too late for what?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????
:banghead:

It was too late because at the time of the kidnapping and for some months after (when tips would have been flooding in), LE would have screened known sex offenders against what what evidence and tips they had. PG would likely have been picked up in that and subjected to closer scrutiny, except he wasnt on that list at that time, so his name never cropped up. When he finally was added, it was long a cold case and that sort of investigation was not being done any more (since it had allready been completed)

[songline]

It was too late because at the time of the kidnapping and for some months after (when tips would have been flooding in), LE would have screened known sex offenders against what what evidence and tips they had. PG would likely have been picked up in that and subjected to closer scrutiny, except he wasnt on that list at that time, so his name never cropped up. When he finally was added, it was long a cold case and that sort of investigation was not being done any more (since it had allready been completed)
Now I get it how sad :( cold case.
and she was alive.

[kbl8201]

Now I get it how sad :( cold case.
and she was alive.

i know the fbi claims now that carl wasnt a suspect all these years but that seems again like they are covering there own butts. if he wasnt a suspect why not come out years ago and publicly clear his name? no. they held on to the belief for 18 years that he killed her and buried her somewhere......but they didnt have enough of a case to bring it to trial.
this is why the case went cold......this is why no suspects were ever checked out, why no effort was made to match the make of the van or the description of the suspects.

[songline]

i know the fbi claims now that carl wasnt a suspect all these years but that seems again like they are covering there own butts. if he wasnt a suspect why not come out years ago and publicly clear his name? no. they held on to the belief for 18 years that he killed her and buried her somewhere......but they didnt have enough of a case to bring it to trial.
this is why the case went cold......this is why no suspects were ever checked out, why no effort was made to match the make of the van or the description of the suspects.
The ball was droped from the start :furious:
I am getting sick.

[kbl8201]

The ball was droped from the start :furious:
I am getting sick.

imagine losing the girl you've come to love as your own daughter.
then spend the next 18 years being the fbi's number one patsy and having to listen to rumors and gossip, all the while your marriage disenergrates because of this and losing jaycee.

[kbl8201]

Here's the answer:
Garrido was ultimately arrested in the kidnapping and rape.

The federal government prosecuted him on the kidnapping charge, while Washoe County prosecuted him on the rape charge, court records indicate.

After serving 10 years in Leavenworth federal penitentiary in Kansas, where he met and married his current wife Nancy, Garrido was granted federal parole and moved to Northern Nevada Correctional Center in Carson City.

Parole records released by the Nevada Board of Parole Commissioners today reveal commissioners denied parole to Garrido at least three times: Feb. 1, 1986; April 1, 1986 and Feb. 1, 1988.

On Aug. 1, 1988, two commissioners granted Garrido parole from Nevada prison with the conditions that he complete a substance abuse treatment program, receive mental health counseling, remain in California, maintain steady employment, undergo drug testing and be subject to search and seizure.

Also released today was a risk assessment sheet that calculated how much time Garrido should serve based on eight questions, including whether he had prior convictions (he had two or more previous convictions that were not detailed), if a weapon was used during the commission of the crime (one was not), and if he was over 18 when he committed the offense.

The numbers are then added up, and Garrido was calculated to be a moderate risk who should serve 10.5 years in prison. He served 11 and was released to his mother's home in Antioch on Aug. 26, 1988.

He remained there until his arrest last week when he showed up at his parole office with his wife, Jaycee Lee Dugard, now 29, whom he called Allissa, and two girls, ages 11 and 15, whom he fathered with Dugard.
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20090831/NEWS/908319991/1058

if anyones intrested in irony, look at the date of his parole release.......august 26 1988. 21 years later his house of cards came tumblinlg down on the same day ;0

[songline]

imagine losing the girl you've come to love as your own daughter.
then spend the next 18 years being the fbi's number one patsy and having to listen to rumors and gossip, all the while your marriage disenergrates because of this and losing jaycee.
A lot of people should be sued. the man lost his marriage and own daughter too in that fiasco.
He needs to sue them all...

and we are considered to have one of the best legal systems in the world :doh::doh:

[kbl8201]

A lot of people should be sued. the man lost his marriage and own daughter too in that fiasco.
He needs to sue them all...

and we are considered to have one of the best legal systems in the world :doh::doh:

there have been so many miracles in the last 50 days in this case.
i wonder if it's too much to hope that the next one is a family reunion.

[songline]

there have been so many miracles in the last 50 days in this case.
i wonder if it's too much to hope that the next one is a family reunion.

I am sure that too will come...all in good time. :dance:

[kbl8201]

I am sure that too will come...all in good time. :dance:

your lips to gods ears :)

[JBean]

http://www.oig.ca.gov/

reminder that the report should be available at this link any time now.

[Billylee]

I was just thinking, LE keeps requesting people to come forward about any information on PG and I think it was My2Sis's that said she felt some people were worried about doing that for some reason. So, here's a couple of questions I'd like to throw out there to all you fellow sleuthers:

What do you think would encourage people to come forward?

If people such as those who may have known Phillip, like the guy who was apparently with him in the 1972 rape are still alive and not totally wasted from the 70's drug scene want to speak out, but are afraid of incrimination, what should LE be doing?

One thing that I think personally should be done is more information about PG's past should be released. Particularly any pictures of him from 69-75. (We've seen him in 76, 88 and whenever the one he inserted on his Voices are Real "press release", lol, was taken,( year anyone????) and of course his current cancerous condition.) This guy really seems to change appearances to me during the earlier years. Long hair, short hair, lighter, darker, mustache, no mustache.
After tearing apart the Garrido/Franzen household, they must have earlier pictures of him, ya think?

My personal opinion is that LE is missing the boat by not releasing earlier pictures of this guy if they are really trying to connect him to earlier cases.

What do you think they may be missing and should be doing that we know for sure they're not? Particularly involving public input.

[time]

Release of all vehicles owned, when they were owned, any pics of them, etc.

Fill in of any history they know, like if they do or don't know where he was during certain periods with and info on addresses where he lived.

Complete employment or work history, names of bands he was in, etc.

Names of all those prostitutes with more extensive info on them and pictures.

[anthroamy]

a little more info on the GPS monitor.

"In fact, Garrido wasn't returned to federal prison on the violation, a federal law enforcement source told The Bee on Thursday. He was ordered held in home confinement in the Antioch house from May 10, 1993, until Aug. 31, 1993.

As part of the home confinement process, a parolee is fitted with a GPS monitoring device, and federal officials come to the home to inspect it and install the equipment."

http://www.sacbee.com/197/story/2159944-p2.html

[time]

Just to add a little info, I read where the GPS devices were not mandatory in California until 2006.

[Billylee]

Just to add a little info, I read where the GPS devices were not mandatory in California until 2006.


Yes, I read that he wasn't fitted with the GPS 'til 2007. So perhaps the feds didn't do that back in 93.

[Billylee]

Release of all vehicles owned, when they were owned, any pics of them, etc.

Fill in of any history they know, like if they do or don't know where he was during certain periods with and info on addresses where he lived.

Complete employment or work history, names of bands he was in, etc.

Names of all those prostitutes with more extensive info on them and pictures.

Those two things alone might bring out people who might remember something. These are all good points, I wonder why LE doesn't do this sort of thing? They could simply compose a fact sheet with some pictures on it. Maybe LE agencies need not only be better at informing one another of what their findings are, like all the missed opportunities that happened in this case between them, but of informing the public. The public can be a very, very helpful source. Why couldn't they get together and publish a web page when they're looking into some guy's past like this? Cost? I don't know.

[Billylee]

http://www.kcra.com/video/21222973/index.html

This video was posted this morning by AngelwhoCares, and it made me start thinking. Apparently the surveilance cameras at the Chevron weren't installed until 1995, but if PG got gas there all the time do they still have the years after that somewhere? Like the years of the prostitute murders 1998? Or how about any other local gas stations, mini markets, etc. Wonder if anyone's looking through those around the dates of the other crimes?

[my2sisters]

http://www.kcra.com/video/21222973/index.html

This video was posted this morning by AngelwhoCares, and it made me start thinking. Apparently the surveilance cameras at the Chevron weren't installed until 1995, but if PG got gas there all the time do they still have the years after that somewhere? Like the years of the prostitute murders 1998? Or how about any other local gas stations, mini markets, etc. Wonder if anyone's looking through those around the dates of the other crimes?

Maybe you could contact Hillary Costa, a reporter with the Contra Costa Times covering the Antioch area. That paper has been around for quite a few years. There was another paper back in the 70s called The Antioch Ledger. I don't know when it closed.

What exactly are you looking for from gas stations and mini-marts? Back at the beginning when the media was in the area they talked with all the local businesses and I'm sure they would have reported any little bit of information they gathered. There were hundreds of investigative reporters and other media here for weeks.

[my2sisters]

Those two things alone might bring out people who might remember something. These are all good points, I wonder why LE doesn't do this sort of thing? They could simply compose a fact sheet with some pictures on it. Maybe LE agencies need not only be better at informing one another of what their findings are, like all the missed opportunities that happened in this case between them, but of informing the public. The public can be a very, very helpful source. Why couldn't they get together and publish a web page when they're looking into some guy's past like this? Cost? I don't know.

LE seems to have the opinion they are the only ones capable of investigating crimes and are not willing to ask for help from mere citizens. The arrogance irritates the heck out of me.

[kbl8201]

LE seems to have the opinion they are the only ones capable of investigating crimes and are not willing to ask for help from mere citizens. The arrogance irritates the heck out of me.

3 years ago i was helping on a murder case in vegas as a private citizen worried that a wrongfully accused person was being rairoaded again. the police and prosecutors believed there theories and innuendo were so much better then actual evidence of who the killer(s) were.
the same is true for almost every LE agency. they pick a theory and stick to it. they dont want help from us. we have to force the issue to even get noticed.

[Billylee]

Maybe you could contact Hillary Costa, a reporter with the Contra Costa Times covering the Antioch area. That paper has been around for quite a few years. There was another paper back in the 70s called The Antioch Ledger. I don't know when it closed.

What exactly are you looking for from gas stations and mini-marts? Back at the beginning when the media was in the area they talked with all the local businesses and I'm sure they would have reported any little bit of information they gathered. There were hundreds of investigative reporters and other media here for weeks.


As far as the newspapers go, the online archives at the CC Times don't appear to have the classifieds. Libraries used to carry full copies of at least the Sunday papers. Don't know if they still do. Finding out if the Elm St. property was vacant during any of the murders/missing crimes would be extremely interesting. It would also give us a phone number for Patricia Garrido Franzen, possibly of where she was working, and if so, then she obviously wouldn't have had dementia at that time.

As far as the gas station surveillance videos, firstly, we'd be able to find what vehicle(s) PG was using at the time of those murders/missing crimes. Secondly, one might see someone in those vehicles with him, or getting out to get something at the mini market, whatever. Thirdly, they might also show Patricia driving. Again, what dementia?

Remember, no one was interested in PG back then, so no one would have even noticed him if they were questioned about those murders.

[kbl8201]

[QUOTE=Billylee;4364682][/B]


As far as the newspapers go, the online archives at the CC Times don't appear to have the classifieds. Libraries used to carry full copies of at least the Sunday papers. Don't know if they still do. Finding out if the Elm St. property was vacant during any of the murders/missing crimes would be extremely interesting. It would also give us a phone number for Patricia Garrido Franzen, possibly of where she was working, and if so, then she obviously wouldn't have had dementia at that time.

As far as the gas station surveillance videos, firstly, we'd be able to find what vehicle(s) PG was using at the time of those murders/missing crimes. Secondly, one might see someone in those vehicles with him, or getting out to get something at the mini market, whatever. Thirdly, they might also show Patricia driving. Again, what dementia?


Remember, no one was interested in PG back then, so no one would have even noticed him if they were questioned about those murders.[/QUOTE

i think that this is helpful but its hardly enough to prove he did these other kidnappings/murders ect.
i was on amazon last night and did a 'jaycee dugard' search to see if terry's book is on presale yet. all i got was a couple of books referencing that devaggio and michaud couple, cause they were suspects due to circumstancial evidence, in jaycee's kidnapping.
i wonder if LE did forensics on these vans and cars to see if any of those kidnap victims dna, hair, ect were present

[SunnieRN]

[/B]


As far as the newspapers go, the online archives at the CC Times don't appear to have the classifieds. Libraries used to carry full copies of at least the Sunday papers. Don't know if they still do. Finding out if the Elm St. property was vacant during any of the murders/missing crimes would be extremely interesting. It would also give us a phone number for Patricia Garrido Franzen, possibly of where she was working, and if so, then she obviously wouldn't have had dementia at that time.

As far as the gas station surveillance videos, firstly, we'd be able to find what vehicle(s) PG was using at the time of those murders/missing crimes. Secondly, one might see someone in those vehicles with him, or getting out to get something at the mini market, whatever. Thirdly, they might also show Patricia driving. Again, what dementia?

Remember, no one was interested in PG back then, so no one would have even noticed him if they were questioned about those murders.

I'm not sure that any of the gas stations or small stores would keep surveillance tapes from that long ago? I bet they have those 24 hour loop tapes (or are they 72 hours?). I think most only keep them if therewas an incident. I love the idea though and hope I am wrong!

[Billylee]

i think that this is helpful but its hardly enough to prove he did these other kidnappings/murders ect.
i was on amazon last night and did a 'jaycee dugard' search to see if terry's book is on presale yet. all i got was a couple of books referencing that devaggio and michaud couple, cause they were suspects due to circumstancial evidence, in jaycee's kidnapping.
i wonder if LE did forensics on these vans and cars to see if any of those kidnap victims dna, hair, ect were present[/QUOTE]


Of course it doesn't prove he murdered anyone. Even if it shows one of the hookers in the van with him, it doesn't prove he killed her. lol But it puts him in the right place at the right time. I'm sure LE went over those vehicles with a fine tooth comb. Who knows when or where he was driving those vehicles. Other than the van seen on Google. Phillip spent a lot of time at the wrecking yard, did he have lots of vehicles for a reason? Was he constantly buying "beaters" and fixing them up to drive because he was getting rid of the vehicles that could incriminate him? Who knows? I don't know, but I'd be looking for him on those gas station videos if I were LE. JMO

[kbl8201]

i think that this is helpful but its hardly enough to prove he did these other kidnappings/murders ect.
i was on amazon last night and did a 'jaycee dugard' search to see if terry's book is on presale yet. all i got was a couple of books referencing that devaggio and michaud couple, cause they were suspects due to circumstancial evidence, in jaycee's kidnapping.
i wonder if LE did forensics on these vans and cars to see if any of those kidnap victims dna, hair, ect were present


Of course it doesn't prove he murdered anyone. Even if it shows one of the hookers in the van with him, it doesn't prove he killed her. lol But it puts him in the right place at the right time. I'm sure LE went over those vehicles with a fine tooth comb. Who knows when or where he was driving those vehicles. Other than the van seen on Google. Phillip spent a lot of time at the wrecking yard, did he have lots of vehicles for a reason? Was he constantly buying "beaters" and fixing them up to drive because he was getting rid of the vehicles that could incriminate him? Who knows? I don't know, but I'd be looking for him on those gas station videos if I were LE. JMO[/QUOTE]

well obviously if one if the victims is in the car with him that changes things DRASTICALLY. i thought you meant just him driving around in a vehicle that matches a description of one used

[my2sisters]

I hadn't seen this before and didn't know the PO went to PG's house on Aug. 25, 2009!!! :furious:

Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again.

[time]

I hadn't seen this before and didn't know the PO went to PG's house on Aug. 25, 2009!!! :furious:

Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again.

I just don't get it... do they not look through the entire property when they go to their houses, particularly after a complaint?

[my2sisters]

I just don't get it... do they not look through the entire property when they go to their houses, particularly after a complaint?

Especially after a complaint from Berkeley LE!!! This doesn't make any sense. Thank heavens he thought he was smarter than LE or this would have given him time to kill his victims!!!!

[Billylee]

I hadn't seen this before and didn't know the PO went to PG's house on Aug. 25, 2009!!! :furious:

Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again.


That's the first time I've heard that too, where's that article from?

[my2sisters]

That's the first time I've heard that too, where's that article from?

It's on the page of a SacBee article that I think you posted.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2158594.html

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2009/09/03/20/5W4GARRIDOTIMELINE.xlgraphic.prod_affiliate.4.gif

[Billylee]

It's on the page of a SacBee article that I think you posted.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2158594.html

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2009/09/03/20/5W4GARRIDOTIMELINE.xlgraphic.prod_affiliate.4.gif

ha! If I did, I don't think I ever looked at the timeline insert. Thank you!

[Billylee]

especially after a complaint from berkeley le!!! This doesn't make any sense. Thank heavens he thought he was smarter than le or this would have given him time to kill his victims!!!!

ditto!

[i.b.nora]

I don't think that Sacbee thing is accurate regarding the parole agent going to his house on that Tuesday. I have been trying to find another source to back up what I believe is true, but so far, no luck. In any case, I am 99% sure that it is wrong on that point.

[my2sisters]

Same article: http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2158594.html

"One of the men was Garrido, Orman said, and they began giving the girls barbiturates. For some reason that Orman said isn't clear, a police car began chasing the car but the men were able to elude it and ended up at a house near where Garrido lived until his arrest last week. Orman said it may have been the same house but authorities are not certain because many of the records from then are not available."

Obviously it wasn't the same house... Patricia didn't own it in 1972!

[my2sisters]

I don't think that Sacbee thing is accurate regarding the parole agent going to his house on that Tuesday. I have been trying to find another source to back up what I believe is true, but so far, no luck. In any case, I am 99% sure that it is wrong on that point.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108721109510955671331.000472b1abc18c0849374&ll=41.47566,-108.149414&spn=23.731883,46.757812&t=p&z=5

They also have it on this googlemap timeline. If it isn't correct someone should contact them. They are an important local source for current and accurate news on this case.

[my2sisters]

ha! If I did, I don't think I ever looked at the timeline insert. Thank you!

Well, I can't keep track of anything any more! I wish the details were more organized. I'm guilty of posting to the wrong threads just because I can't remember where it should go! :blushing:

[time]

Same article: http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2158594.html

"One of the men was Garrido, Orman said, and they began giving the girls barbiturates. For some reason that Orman said isn't clear, a police car began chasing the car but the men were able to elude it and ended up at a house near where Garrido lived until his arrest last week. Orman said it may have been the same house but authorities are not certain because many of the records from then are not available."

Obviously it wasn't the same house... Patricia didn't own it in 1972!

Good catch. Did she live in Brentwood? I think I had a bit of trouble before deciding what happened when her and Manuel got divorced (1971?). House ownership records should be available for back then (abstracts, I don't know).

This story seems to have different details, not neccesarily conflicting, depending on what article you read.

In April 1972, Garrido met two teenage girls at the public library in Antioch, Calif., Orman said. He took the two girls on a joy ride around Antioch, then brought him to his house, where they partied in a shed in the backyard and he gave them drugs. Then he took one of them to a nearby motel, where she says he sexually assaulted her multiple times, Orman said.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/breaking/Garridos-Sexual-Spree-May-Have-Started-in-1972-Police-56922542.html


How can they not know what the address of the house was?

[my2sisters]

Good catch. Did she live in Brentwood? I think I had a bit of trouble before deciding what happened when her and Manuel got divorced (1971?). House ownership records should be available for back then (abstracts, I don't know).

This story seems to have different details, not neccesarily conflicting, depending on what article you read.



http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/breaking/Garridos-Sexual-Spree-May-Have-Started-in-1972-Police-56922542.html


How can they not know what the address of the house was?

What happened to the other girl when PG left with the victim and took her to the motel? Did PG leave her drugged with the other guy he was with and did HE rape her and if so, maybe there's a police report on him? LE should check all reported rapes in that time frame.

I wonder if the Garrido family knew the previous owners of the Walnut Ave. house before Patricia bought it?

Which car did PG own then, the Olds? This area was a small community and the cops knew all the "young people" here. How did they give chase and not catch him? Then days later the victims parents find her in a motel? Something isn't right with this. I know LE "lost" the reports, but shouldn't there be some record of the preliminary hearing or something other than just the police report? Garrido was arrested and booked in Martinez County Jail.

[anthroamy]

What happened to the other girl when PG left with the victim and took her to the motel? Did PG leave her drugged with the other guy he was with and did HE rape her and if so, maybe there's a police report on him? LE should check all reported rapes in that time frame.

I wonder if the Garrido family knew the previous owners of the Walnut Ave. house before Patricia bought it?

Which car did PG own then, the Olds? This area was a small community and the cops knew all the "young people" here. How did they give chase and not catch him? Then days later the victims parents find her in a motel? Something isn't right with this. I know LE "lost" the reports, but shouldn't there be some record of the preliminary hearing or something other than just the police report? Garrido was arrested and booked in Martinez County Jail.

Also, shouldn't there be a record of the initial police car chase? Why were they chasing them? There has to be something somewhere on that.

And I wonder how the girl's parents found her at the motel. How did they know to look there? Why did it take a couple of days? There are so many unanswered questions with this story.

[my2sisters]

Also, shouldn't there be a record of the initial police car chase? Why were they chasing them? There has to be something somewhere on that.

And I wonder how the girl's parents found her at the motel. How did they know to look there? Why did it take a couple of days? There are so many unanswered questions with this story.

That's also a good question. She was there for several days, what about the motel's housekeepers? Her parents called the police when they found PG with her. Why would PG not leave before the police came? The victim's friend was also underage, was she interviewed and where are those records? She should have known at least the first name of the other guy.

[anthroamy]

That's also a good question. She was there for several days, what about the motel's housekeepers? Her parents called the police when they found PG with her. Why would PG not leave before the police came? The victim's friend was also underage, was she interviewed and where are those records? She should have known at least the first name of the other guy.

I forgot that they only called the police AFTER they found PG with her. Why did he stay? Maybe he just knew his DNA was all over the place and the game was up?

I was wondering if maybe the police led the family there, but now that you've reminded me about them only being called afterwards, how on earth did the parents figure out she was there? And why did they wait until 3 days had passed to call LE about their missing daughter? Or if they did, then LE should have a missing persons report on this girl. Where is it?

[my2sisters]

I forgot that they only called the police AFTER they found PG with her. Why did he stay? Maybe he just knew his DNA was all over the place and the game was up?

I was wondering if maybe the police led the family there, but now that you've reminded me about them only being called afterwards, how on earth did the parents figure out she was there? And why did they wait until 3 days had passed to call LE about their missing daughter? Or if they did, then LE should have a missing persons report on this girl. Where is it?

There was no DNA evidence used in 1972.

Yep, there's definitely more to this than LE would have us think!

[time]

Ditto on everyone's concerns about the 1972 rape case. All of these questions bother me and the fact is that this was not just a simple rape, this girl was held captive or basically kidnapped, drugged, and raped for days. I'm sure the woman who was raped knows what house they were at prior to the motel.

I agree we do not have the complete story. If the shed was near his house (we don't know where he even lived then, right?), then whose property was the shed on and why would a 21 year old and his buddy take two girls to someone's shed?

Is this just one more indication that Garrido often acted with someone else and not alone? Maybe, we don't know. At any rate, it sounds like the other guy was guilty of possibly giving the girls drugs and I don't understand why some of the article exclude any reference to this guy.

I wish the woman who was raped would at least come forward anonymously with the whole story - but I gather if we knew where they were initially partying (shed, house, whatever), that would give up someone's identity?

Yeah, and the car chase - why didn't they arrest him for that?

[time]

I forgot that they only called the police AFTER they found PG with her. Why did he stay? Maybe he just knew his DNA was all over the place and the game was up?

I was wondering if maybe the police led the family there, but now that you've reminded me about them only being called afterwards, how on earth did the parents figure out she was there? And why did they wait until 3 days had passed to call LE about their missing daughter? Or if they did, then LE should have a missing persons report on this girl. Where is it?

Maybe Garrido was too high on something to think he was caught - it seems like he thinks/thought he was infallible.

As to the rest of your questions ... yeah, it makes you go hmmmm.

[anthroamy]

Ditto on everyone's concerns about the 1972 rape case. All of these questions bother me and the fact is that this was not just a simple rape, this girl was held captive or basically kidnapped, drugged, and raped for days. I'm sure the woman who was raped knows what house they were at prior to the motel.

I agree we do not have the complete story. If the shed was near his house (we don't know where he even lived then, right?), then whose property was the shed on and why would a 21 year old and his buddy take two girls to someone's shed?

Is this just one more indication that Garrido often acted with someone else and not alone? Maybe, we don't know. At any rate, it sounds like the other guy was guilty of possibly giving the girls drugs and I don't understand why some of the article exclude any reference to this guy.

I wish the woman who was raped would at least come forward anonymously with the whole story - but I gather if we knew where they were initially partying (shed, house, whatever), that would give up someone's identity?

Yeah, and the car chase - why didn't they arrest him for that?

BBM

I think she did, but LE hasn't released it. At least that was the impression I got.

And you're correct about there being no DNA evidence in 1972. D'oh, what was I thinking?

I really feel for this woman. Pure speculation here, but I wonder if the reason she didn't testify was because LE made her feel bad about what had happened? You know, she was a "bad girl" with a "ruined reputation" and that sort of thing. Maybe even going so far as to imply that she as "asking for it" because of the joy ride and the partying, and saying that going to trial would be a waste of time and he wouldn't get convicted anyway. That's the vibe that I get. If that is the case it is completely ridiculous. Even if she used poor judgment, no woman ever asks for it, and a 14 year old can easily be manipulated by a grown man, particularly a skilled sexual predator and con man like Garrido.

[time]

Yeah, I know she came forward and told LE her story, but not directly to the public. They must have a more complete version than we do and maybe they promised to keep certain things private to protect her, but I can't understand the comment about at what house this took place in - like they don't know? I also wonder if she did or didn't give up the names of the other two people. The detective doesn't even tell us what motel it happened at.

I think you are right, 1972 was a different world and she may have felt ashamed even more than now either by LE or her parents. I also wondered if this happened on a weekend. Some parents do leave their kids alone and even go out of town once they are semi-independent (I wouldn't do it, but I wonder if they weren't around to look for her or something of that nature). i also wonder if alternately, they contacted her friends and the friends said she left with some guy after they were partying - would they have assumed she just was just out being a bad girl and then realized she wasn't coming back? Makes you wonder how long Garrido would have kept her there if they hadn't found her.

[time]

I hadn't seen this...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He said something about Bible study with your granddaughter. We`ve only got a couple of seconds.

GOMES: OK, he had asked my granddaughter if she wanted to go to Bible study on Wednesday. She is also a blue-eyed blond, and she had both her parents there at the time. And she was very freaked out and didn`t -- this was right after he broke out in song and started singing to her. And he stopped in the middle of the song and said, "Would you like to come to Bible study at my house on Wednesday?"

And she said no and got out of there.

And what struck me is she had both her parents there

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/03/ijvm.01.html

Where was he going to or having Bible Study - his house? I still wonder if those two girls were children of someone who did get wrapped into his religious stuff.

[anthroamy]

Yeah, I know she came forward and told LE her story, but not directly to the public. They must have a more complete version than we do and maybe they promised to keep certain thing private to protect her, but I can't understand the comment about at what house this took place in - like they don't know? I also wonder if she did or didn't give up the names of the other two people. The detective doesn't even tell us what motel it happened at.

I think you are right, 1972 was a different world and she may have felt ashamed even more than now either by LE or her parents. I also wondered if this happened on a weekend. Some parents do leave their kids alone and even go out of town once they are semi-independent (I wouldn't do it, but I wonder if they weren't around to look for her or something of that nature). i also wonder if alternately, they contacted her friends and the friends said she left with some guy after they were partying - would they have assumed she just was just out being a bad girl and then realized she wasn't coming back? Makes you wonder how long Garrido would have kept her there if they hadn't found her.

BBM. Would it be possible that they're keeping some of it confidential incase other involved parties come forward, so that they can verify their stories?

And you are so right about the 1970s being a different world. It's another reason I'm so glad that KCH feels comfortable talking about her story. Hopefully other survivors will come forward as well.

[my2sisters]

When the police were called to the Riverview Motel wouldn't they have noticed that PG's car was involved in a police pursuit just days prior to his arrest?

He was supposedly living in Lake Tahoe/Reno area in 1972, so they must have gone to his friend's house.

BTW...Elm St. is on the same (old) highway as everything else on the timeline!

[time]

BBM. Would it be possible that they're keeping some of it confidential incase other involved parties come forward, so that they can verify their stories?

And you are so right about the 1970s being a different world. It's another reason I'm so glad that KCH feels comfortable talking about her story. Hopefully other survivors will come forward as well.

Yes, maybe so.

I hope others come forward - and am very glad KCH is empowered to tell her own story. We learn a lot from that, not only about how criminals (criminal minds) operate, but about the journey of the victim and back out of being a victim.

[time]

When the police were called to the Riverview Motel wouldn't they have noticed that PG's car was involved in a police pursuit just days prior to his arrest?

He was supposedly living in Lake Tahoe/Reno area in 1972, so they must have gone to his friend's house.

BTW...Elm St. is on the same (old) highway as everything else on the timeline!

I really wonder how long he actually was in Reno/Lake Tahoe though. As far as we know he just went till the heat cooled down. Or was not living in any more permanent quarters there. He must have went there anyway because there was someone already there who gave him a place to stay? I guess, I wonder if he didn't come back since Patricia and Manuel would not have been living together - his brother was probably already gone on his own also. Tahoe is not that far so he could have been living both places, going back and forth often?

Where was Patricia living between 1971 and until she moved into the Walnut St house?

But, also, you could very well be correct and they went to the friends home - I wonder if the LE guy telling the story said what he did because it WAS a house back then not too far from where the Walnut St house is.

[kbl8201]

I forgot that they only called the police AFTER they found PG with her. Why did he stay? Maybe he just knew his DNA was all over the place and the game was up?

I was wondering if maybe the police led the family there, but now that you've reminded me about them only being called afterwards, how on earth did the parents figure out she was there? And why did they wait until 3 days had passed to call LE about their missing daughter? Or if they did, then LE should have a missing persons report on this girl. Where is it?

dna was non existant in 72.
they went on blood types and fingertips and such. that was the extent of 1970's forensics.

[kbl8201]

When the police were called to the Riverview Motel wouldn't they have noticed that PG's car was involved in a police pursuit just days prior to his arrest?

He was supposedly living in Lake Tahoe/Reno area in 1972, so they must have gone to his friend's house.

BTW...Elm St. is on the same (old) highway as everything else on the timeline!

an intresting thing i reailzed reading an interview with carl yesterday was that they moved to south lake tahoe cause there'd only been one kidnapping there in 20 years.
the irony is it was garrido kidnapping katie.
and now he is also on a rampage in his current stomping grounds in 72 too.
why did no one ever put the pieces together?

[SunnieRN]

Especially after a complaint from Berkeley LE!!! This doesn't make any sense. Thank heavens he thought he was smarter than LE or this would have given him time to kill his victims!!!!

This is what incited me so much about the situation from the beginning. Even after being told he was in Berkley with his children, who the PO knew he didn't have, the only action was to tell pg to "come in for a visit".

Pg basically had 24 hours to do whatever he wanted. This could have included destroying evidence, "farming out" Jaycee and the girls, killing them as well as nancy and patricia. To me this is further proof that parole requirements or regard for the law was not anything that even remotely concerned pg. I'm not surprised with the number of blunders LE made.

When you think about the two younger girls, pg had plenty of opportunity to hide them or make sure that whoever has them, has them well hidden. A lot can happen in 24 hours.

I don't think that Sacbee thing is accurate regarding the parole agent going to his house on that Tuesday. I have been trying to find another source to back up what I believe is true, but so far, no luck. In any case, I am 99% sure that it is wrong on that point.

I totally agree. This is the only source that has published this. The LE agencies and the PO have repeatedly defended their actions and I feel confident in saying that if this were true, they would have talked about it, extensively even! Their reputation is quite tarnished and I truly believe they would have used this as a partial vindication of critics.

[my2sisters]

This is what incited me so much about the situation from the beginning. Even after being told he was in Berkley with his children, who the PO knew he didn't have, the only action was to tell pg to "come in for a visit".

Pg basically had 24 hours to do whatever he wanted. This could have included destroying evidence, "farming out" Jaycee and the girls, killing them as well as nancy and patricia. To me this is further proof that parole requirements or regard for the law was not anything that even remotely concerned pg. I'm not surprised with the number of blunders LE made.

When you think about the two younger girls, pg had plenty of opportunity to hide them or make sure that whoever has them, has them well hidden. A lot can happen in 24 hours.

Yeah, that didn't make much sense, but then reading that his PO visited his house and saw nothing "amiss" made it worse, if that's possible. The SacBee is a reputable paper and that article/timeline was edited some 3 weeks later. It seems that if the information was incorrect they would have either made a retraction or changed the online article. They've done it with other information so why not with this?

It's possible the SO didn't bring it up because there was already so much public outrage over the mishandling of the case by the different agencies they didn't want to add more fuel to the fire. It was also obvious that the general public didn't really know the difference between Antioch PD, the Sheriff's Office, the Parole Office (Federal and States), Berkeley PD, or the University PD.

[SunnieRN]

What happened to the other girl when PG left with the victim and took her to the motel? Did PG leave her drugged with the other guy he was with and did HE rape her and if so, maybe there's a police report on him? LE should check all reported rapes in that time frame.

I wonder if the Garrido family knew the previous owners of the Walnut Ave. house before Patricia bought it?

Which car did PG own then, the Olds? This area was a small community and the cops knew all the "young people" here. How did they give chase and not catch him? Then days later the victims parents find her in a motel? Something isn't right with this. I know LE "lost" the reports, but shouldn't there be some record of the preliminary hearing or something other than just the police report? Garrido was arrested and booked in Martinez County Jail.

This site has a video of the police statement concerning the 1972 rape victim. A good listen for sure:

http://behindblondiepark.com/2009/09/04/phillip-garrido-1972-rape-charge-press-release-video/

The woman said she could not remember the name of the other man involved. I am wondering if perhaps the other girl had consensual sex with pg's accomplice? I read an article, somewhere in one of these threads that the girl refused to testify to protect other people involved.

There was no explaination of how her parents found her, but he thought it was the next day. Very interesting to say the least.

I will never think of storage sheds and tents the same!

[time]

1972 rape took place on E. 18th Street at what now is the Riverview Motel (near 160 -3120 E 18th St?). (according to interview on video)

Interesting ... he says somehow the girl she was with was the one who knew that meeting with the boys was going to take place.

arrested on April 17, 1992

Victim says she can't remember the other guys name.

Sunnie, I'd have to listen to the video again, but about the parents I think he just says 'at some point' they located her.

[time]

Strange current reviews




http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=riverview+motel+antioch+ca&fb=1&gl=us&hq=riverview+motel&hnear=antioch+ca&cid=0,0,14829216932917206054&ei=srHrSorZJ4HitgPYhM31Aw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA8QnwIwAA

This motel is not in a good area and the traffic you see coming in and out confirms it. It seems like a lot of "deals" go on here. It doe not look to bad from the outside, but

A review of Antioch Sex Offenders indicates at least ten Registered Sex Offenders live at 3120 E 18th Street, Antioch CA.


I'm starting to think Garrido is a creature habit and just performed a whole lot of crimes in the same area. The 1998 attempted kidnap was also on 18th street - that is only 1 1/2 miles from Walnut St. Not that Garrido was living at Walnut St in 1972, but the Motel would be about 3 miles from there.

[my2sisters]

Strange current reviews

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=riverview+motel+antioch+ca&fb=1&gl=us&hq=riverview+motel&hnear=antioch+ca&cid=0,0,14829216932917206054&ei=srHrSorZJ4HitgPYhM31Aw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA8QnwIwAA

You should have seen it before it was recently remodeled! Originally, it was built as housing for the Mexican farm workers. It got very rundown and stayed that way until just the past few years. Bad reputation for prostitutes and drugs.

[Tizzle]

Could the other guy he was with in 1972 have been a rookie cop/close chum of PG? Maybe the other guy's dad was on the force at the time? Maybe the other guy is a cop now and covered for PG all these years? Maybe a childhood "brother" of PG's?
It would explain how the girl was possibly "persuaded" not to testify against PG. It could have been this "chum" that tipped the girls parents off as to her whereabouts. Maybe PG's behavior disgusted this "chum" but there was no way he could ever turn his back on his childhood friend. The "chum" knew what PG was doing was wrong but felt the need to protect him? Maybe the "chum" owed PG some kind of lifetime favor/friendship "fee". It would explain how PG got away with this and many other crimes. More crimes than we've even begun to know, I fear. Maybe it was this chum that called the tip in about JC at the service station in 92 in the yellow van, hoping to rat PG out w/out having his name attached to it? Is this too far out there?

Another poster mentioned Classmates.com so I checked it out and there were a couple of eyebrow raising posts about his behavior early on from former classmates. Wouldn't it make sense that PG would make "connections" w/ LE early on in his criminal career so that he could get away with his behavior at least somewhat easier? Sometimes cops are just plain C R O O K E D or maybe I'm just WAY off. Any of this make sense?

[kbl8201]

Could the other guy he was with in 1972 have been a rookie cop/close chum of PG? Maybe the other guy's dad was on the force at the time? Maybe the other guy is a cop now and covered for PG all these years? Maybe a childhood "brother" of PG's?
It would explain how the girl was possibly "persuaded" not to testify against PG. It could have been this "chum" that tipped the girls parents off as to her whereabouts. Maybe PG's behavior disgusted this "chum" but there was no way he could ever turn his back on his childhood friend. The "chum" knew what PG was doing was wrong but felt the need to protect him? Maybe the "chum" owed PG some kind of lifetime favor/friendship "fee". It would explain how PG got away with this and many other crimes. More crimes than we've even begun to know, I fear. Maybe it was this chum that called the tip in about JC at the service station in 92 in the yellow van, hoping to rat PG out w/out having his name attached to it? Is this too far out there?

Another poster mentioned Classmates.com so I checked it out and there were a couple of eyebrow raising posts about his behavior early on from former classmates. Wouldn't it make sense that PG would make "connections" w/ LE early on in his criminal career so that he could get away with his behavior at least somewhat easier? Sometimes cops are just plain C R O O K E D or maybe I'm just WAY off. Any of this make sense?

if his 'friend' phoned the tip in in 92, did he lose his tuunge over the next 17 years?
i agree cops are surely crooked. they sure seem to be in this case. incompetence can only be an excuse for so long :(

[my2sisters]

Strange current reviews




http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=riverview+motel+antioch+ca&fb=1&gl=us&hq=riverview+motel&hnear=antioch+ca&cid=0,0,14829216932917206054&ei=srHrSorZJ4HitgPYhM31Aw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA8QnwIwAA




I'm starting to think Garrido is a creature habit and just performed a whole lot of crimes in the same area. The 1998 attempted kidnap was also on 18th street - that is only 1 1/2 miles from Walnut St. Not that Garrido was living at Walnut St in 1972, but the Motel would be about 3 miles from there.

It's on 18th St. the old Antioch Hwy going out of Antioch. The only route out of town towards Brentwood from the Library at the time.

[SunnieRN]

1972 rape took place on E. 18th Street at what now is the Riverview Motel (near 160 -3120 E 18th St?). (according to interview on video)

Interesting ... he says somehow the girl she was with was the one who knew that meeting with the boys was going to take place.

arrested on April 17, 1992

Victim says she can't remember the other guys name.

Sunnie, I'd have to listen to the video again, but about the parents I think he just says 'at some point' they located her.

I thought that later he said the next day, but it is entirely possible I mis heard that!! Thank you.

Could the other guy he was with in 1972 have been a rookie cop/close chum of PG? Maybe the other guy's dad was on the force at the time? Maybe the other guy is a cop now and covered for PG all these years? Maybe a childhood "brother" of PG's?
It would explain how the girl was possibly "persuaded" not to testify against PG. It could have been this "chum" that tipped the girls parents off as to her whereabouts. Maybe PG's behavior disgusted this "chum" but there was no way he could ever turn his back on his childhood friend. The "chum" knew what PG was doing was wrong but felt the need to protect him? Maybe the "chum" owed PG some kind of lifetime favor/friendship "fee". It would explain how PG got away with this and many other crimes. More crimes than we've even begun to know, I fear. Maybe it was this chum that called the tip in about JC at the service station in 92 in the yellow van, hoping to rat PG out w/out having his name attached to it? Is this too far out there?

Another poster mentioned Classmates.com so I checked it out and there were a couple of eyebrow raising posts about his behavior early on from former classmates. Wouldn't it make sense that PG would make "connections" w/ LE early on in his criminal career so that he could get away with his behavior at least somewhat easier? Sometimes cops are just plain C R O O K E D or maybe I'm just WAY off. Any of this make sense?

That "chum" sounds like a chump!!!!!! I am really afraid of what he would be "owed a lifetime favor" for.

[time]

It's on 18th St. the old Antioch Hwy going out of Antioch. The only route out of town towards Brentwood from the Library at the time.

Yeah, I think he could have been staying in Brentwood?

Where is Old Hwy 4?? I know where Hwy 4 is.

[my2sisters]

I don't think that Sacbee thing is accurate regarding the parole agent going to his house on that Tuesday. I have been trying to find another source to back up what I believe is true, but so far, no luck. In any case, I am 99% sure that it is wrong on that point.

Here is my email communication and response from the journalist that authored this article:

My email:

Mr. Sam Stanton,

Back on Sept 3, 2009 you wrote the extensive, researched article, Details of earlier alleged Garrido abductions emerge and I have a question about something reported in the GarridoTimeline.

You write, "Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again...."

I haven't been able to verify from any other source the accuracy of the above event. I noticed that your article was updated on Sept. 30, 2009, did that include the information in the Timeline? In other words is the above statement correct?

Thank you,
xxxxxx

Response:

Re: Question: Details of earlier alleged Garrido abductions emerge
Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:17 AM
From:"sstanton@sacbee.com" <sstanton@sacbee.com>

To:xxxxxxx
Yes, the information is correct as reported to us by corrections and other officials.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[my2sisters]

Yeah, I think he could have been staying in Brentwood?

Where is Old Hwy 4?? I know where Hwy 4 is.

Same as what locals would call the Antioch Hwy.

18th St. turns into Old Hwy 4 when it leaves the Antioch city limits or near there.

[time]

I thought that later he said the next day, but it is entirely possible I mis heard that!! Thank you.

Yeah, or I only registered his first answer!

[time]

I wonder if this victim who survived was able to give any other information:

(Name Omitted), 38, West Pittsburg/Bay Point, December 15, 1998 (found beaten in a portable toilet off Willow Pass Road and survived)

[time]

sorry

[i.b.nora]

my2sisters: Thanks for taking the time to write directly to the writer. I still think, regarding that one detail that he is wrong.
If the parole agent went to the house on what would have been that Tuesday, Nancy and Patricia (and Jaycee) would have been there. It doesn't make any sense to me, and absolutely no one else has reported it that way.

[SunnieRN]

Here is my email communication and response from the journalist that authored this article:

My email:

Mr. Sam Stanton,

Back on Sept 3, 2009 you wrote the extensive, researched article, Details of earlier alleged Garrido abductions emerge and I have a question about something reported in the GarridoTimeline.

You write, "Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again...."

I haven't been able to verify from any other source the accuracy of the above event. I noticed that your article was updated on Sept. 30, 2009, did that include the information in the Timeline? In other words is the above statement correct?

Thank you,
xxxxxx

Response:

Re: Question: Details of earlier alleged Garrido abductions emerge
Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:17 AM
From:"sstanton@sacbee.com" <sstanton@sacbee.com>

To:xxxxxxx
Yes, the information is correct as reported to us by corrections and other officials.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Wow! I saw the Sac Bee timeline earlier and didn't remember seeing anything like that at all! So this means that despite the fact that LE called his PO, he STILL couldn't find a problem or any evidence of children? Give me a break! He did NOT need a warrant! pg was on parole. He could have looked everywhere from the toilet to the attic, the bedrooms to the entire yard! What the hay??? This takes away any doubt in my mind to their gross incompetence!

[SunnieRN]

not sure what happend as it posted my response twice?

[kbl8201]

Wow! I saw the Sac Bee timeline earlier and didn't remember seeing anything like that at all! So this means that despite the fact that LE called his PO, he STILL couldn't find a problem or any evidence of children? Give me a break! He did NOT need a warrant! pg was on parole. He could have looked everywhere from the toilet to the attic, the bedrooms to the entire yard! What the hay??? This takes away any doubt in my mind to their gross incompetence!

this is the first i ever heard of the po going to garrido's house on august 25th. are we sure this is right?

[SunnieRN]

Wow, tried to quote Time, but things are going boinkers, so we'll see what happens with this post.

The prostitute who was attacked and left for dead in the porta potty suffered severe injuries. From my understanding she has problems even today. I think if she had been any help with an i.d., information would have been released at the time. I'll look to see if I can find the article. Cross your fingers. ;-)

[JakeTucker]

I've not heard about that before either.
Why ask PG to come to a meeting the next day if the parole agent saw PG at the house?

[my2sisters]

I hadn't seen this before and didn't know the PO went to PG's house on Aug. 25, 2009!!! :furious:

Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again.

My email was to confirm this info as reported.

[time]

Wow, tried to quote Time, but things are going boinkers, so we'll see what happens with this post.

The prostitute who was attacked and left for dead in the porta potty suffered severe injuries. From my understanding she has problems even today. I think if she had been any help with an i.d., information would have been released at the time. I'll look to see if I can find the article. Cross your fingers. ;-)


thanks! (and, yeah it was going bonkers on me too)

[my2sisters]

It's on the page of a SacBee article that I think you posted.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/2158594.html

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2009/09/03/20/5W4GARRIDOTIMELINE.xlgraphic.prod_affiliate.4.gif

Sorry, here are the links.

[time]

Here is my email communication and response from the journalist that authored this article:

My email:

Mr. Sam Stanton,

Back on Sept 3, 2009 you wrote the extensive, researched article, Details of earlier alleged Garrido abductions emerge and I have a question about something reported in the GarridoTimeline.

You write, "Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again...."

I haven't been able to verify from any other source the accuracy of the above event. I noticed that your article was updated on Sept. 30, 2009, did that include the information in the Timeline? In other words is the above statement correct?

Thank you,
xxxxxx

Response:

Re: Question: Details of earlier alleged Garrido abductions emerge
Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:17 AM
From:"sstanton@sacbee.com" <sstanton@sacbee.com>

To:xxxxxxx
Yes, the information is correct as reported to us by corrections and other officials.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


Seems like the Berkeldy Police would have also notified LE that oversaw where Garrido lived - Contra Costa Sheriff's Office - not just his parole officer?

I do remember being confused by the reporting at the time as to the sequence of events.

[time]

Sorry, here are the links.

I know you provided those for a different reason, but I want to revisit this one more time

"On the way there the girl tells our victim they're going to meet a couple of guys," Orman said. "The victim assumes these guys are going to be age appropriate, and when they get there it's a couple of guys quite a bit older than they expected.

"They get into the car with these guys and start driving around the city."

One of the men was Garrido, Orman said, and they began giving the girls barbiturates. For some reason that Orman said isn't clear, a police car began chasing the car but the men were able to elude it and ended up at a house near where Garrido lived until his arrest last week.


So, weird, the video interview doesn't really include most of these details, but the same guy is quoted.

It still seems odd to me that her girlfriend arranged to meet these guys, then seemingly didn't tell her until they were almost to the library.

They both were given drugs by both men and went either to some house or shed near where Garrido lived later.

I the video interview, the policeman says he doesn't know if the other guy was ever arrested for anything, but there weren't many records left and they never found anything. Isn't this the kind of thing someone who worked on the force at the time would remember? Antioch wasn't that big back in 1972 was it?

[my2sisters]

I know you provided those for a different reason, but I want to revisit this one more time

So, weird, the video interview doesn't really include most of these details, but the same guy is quoted.

It still seems odd to me that her girlfriend arranged to meet these guys, then seemingly didn't tell her until they were almost to the library.

They both were given drugs by both men and went either to some house or shed near where Garrido lived later.

I the video interview, the policeman says he doesn't know if the other guy was ever arrested for anything, but there weren't many records left and they never found anything. Isn't this the kind of thing someone who worked on the force at the time would remember? Antioch wasn't that big back in 1972 was it?

YES! It almost appears to be a cover-up, doesn't it?

[time]

YES! It almost appears to be a cover-up, doesn't it?

Something's amiss ... do you think it's an attempt to say yet another person went to the house and saw nothing?

[kbl8201]

I've not heard about that before either.
Why ask PG to come to a meeting the next day if the parole agent saw PG at the house?

and why would garrido then bring the girls to the po office.......it doesnt make sense.
i dont think this guy writing this article has his facts right.

[SunnieRN]

YES! It almost appears to be a cover-up, doesn't it?

I hate to say there is no "almost" about it!! I think it's "more then likely" a cover up!

[kbl8201]

I hate to say there is no "almost" about it!! I think it's "more then likely" a cover up!

so on top of everythingelse in this case, we can add "lack of jounalistic integrity" to the horse manure.
sweet:banghead:

[SunnieRN]

Or lack of LE forthcomings in accurate information in a timely fashion. Take your pick!

[kbl8201]

Or lack of LE forthcomings in accurate information in a timely fashion. Take your pick!

well he claims that's what he wrote originally so apperently he's lying one way or the other.

[my2sisters]

"A man works inside corrections with parole agents and parolees says Phillip Garrido's parole agent didn't do his job properly."

http://www.kcra.com/video/20913668/index.html

[my2sisters]

so on top of everythingelse in this case, we can add "lack of jounalistic integrity" to the horse manure.
sweet:banghead:

I don't understand what you're referring to. The journalist just reported what was given him by the SO and parole office. How is that a "lack of journalistic integrity"? Did you read the posts correctly?

[i.b.nora]

This isn't about journalistic integrity, imo, it is simply about a detail in a news report, that is being questioned. It doesn't make the journalist a criminal or lacking in integrity.

I still think it is inaccurate about the parole agent:
"Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again...."

I think it is entirely possible that the journalist misunderstood m2sisters question. We can tell by reading the timeline, that the prison info came from some prison / corrections sources.
I do think that the parole people are highly suspect as being possibly overwhelmed, overpaid, and largely incompetent. In fact, I think the whole agency needs reform.

But, this is one tiny detail that I think is totally in error. And, I suppose it is possible that it was 'advanced' by the parole people after the fact to make them look like they were really on top of it. Obviously, we know they weren't. That parole agent should have been severely reprimanded in my opinion. He is not a hero in this case. That is my perception. It could be an attempt by "corrections" to rewrite their own history.

[i.b.nora]

I can really do without all the 'horse manure' stuff, all the name calling. I detest it. It doesn't really add to the conversation.

[SunnieRN]

"A man works inside corrections with parole agents and parolees says Phillip Garrido's parole agent didn't do his job properly."

http://www.kcra.com/video/20913668/index.html

Well this is another piece that clears up part of the 8/25-8/27 mystery. In this video the media rep Vern Pierson, El Dorado County DA, states that the PO actions on the 26th and 27th helped end the 18 year mystery. NO mention of the PO going to the house on the 25th. That would be a redeeming action. in my honest opinion. I really believe it would have been mentioned at this media briefing had it happened.

[my2sisters]

Well this is another piece that clears up part of the 8/25-8/27 mystery. In this video the media rep Vern Pierson, El Dorado County DA, states that the PO actions on the 26th and 27th helped end the 18 year mystery. NO mention of the PO going to the house on the 25th. That would be a redeeming action. in my honest opinion. I really believe it would have been mentioned at this media briefing had it happened.

Yeah, I have another note into the SacBee and I want to get them to either change their timeline or confirm it's correctness. I would like to see the docs this info supposedly came from. I don't want to dismiss something this important until I'm certain.

Garrido had 24 hours to hide any other children or to alert any accomplice. I really don't think he was worried about Jaycee giving him up to his PO. hahaha

[my2sisters]

This isn't about journalistic integrity, imo, it is simply about a detail in a news report, that is being questioned. It doesn't make the journalist a criminal or lacking in integrity.

I still think it is inaccurate about the parole agent:
"Aug. 25: Garrido returns to campus and officials notify parole agent. Agent goes to Garrido's home but sees nothing amiss. Also summons Garrido to his office.
Aug 26: Agent summons Garrido to his office again...."

I think it is entirely possible that the journalist misunderstood m2sisters question. We can tell by reading the timeline, that the prison info came from some prison / corrections sources.
I do think that the parole people are highly suspect as being possibly overwhelmed, overpaid, and largely incompetent. In fact, I think the whole agency needs reform.

But, this is one tiny detail that I think is totally in error. And, I suppose it is possible that it was 'advanced' by the parole people after the fact to make them look like they were really on top of it. Obviously, we know they weren't. That parole agent should have been severely reprimanded in my opinion. He is not a hero in this case. That is my perception. It could be an attempt by "corrections" to rewrite their own history.

My intent is not to put blame on any agency. I don't want to miss any clues that could lead us to any other missing children. So, please don't assume that every post I make about LE is to make them look bad. Thanks.

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Yeah, I have another note into the SacBee and I want to get them to either change their timeline or confirm it's correctness. I would like to see the docs this info supposedly came from. I don't want to dismiss something this important until I'm certain.

Garrido had 24 hours to hide any other children or to alert any accomplice. I really don't think he was worried about Jaycee giving him up to his PO. hahaha

You're right... he had time, I didn't even think about or catch that. I would have assumed that once a cop calls in with a serious concern, they might have went to his house immediately with parole officers and the Sheriff's office and insisted on a thorough search. And, if Jaycee and the girls hadn't been there, then where would he put them? I think they would have been there. But any other girls, must belong to someone?

I guess in my simple mind, I can't see how even a simple search would miss all the pictures, toys, clothing, etc. You can't tell me all that was hauled out of the house or backyard.

[SunnieRN]

One thing my mind keeps going back to is the picture of the back yard showing the small folding outdoor chair. This looked to be in good condition and seeing the age/size of the youngest daughter, I don't see how she could have comfortably sat in that chair.

When I brought up the fact that pg had 24 hours to "clean things up" prior to going to the PO office, I was thinking along the same exact terms you mentioned. It was plenty of time to warn other people to hide the two children. Whether they lived with pg, or he "chaperoned" them at times, they need to be found.

The PO, if he DID go to the house on the 25th, needs to answer why he left ANY stones unturned. If he didn't, that is even more upsetting. That was the reason I started thinking about the 24 hour period in the first place! pg had a lot of motivation to "make the problem disappear". Thank God he didn't!

[anthroamy]

One thing my mind keeps going back to is the picture of the back yard showing the small folding outdoor chair. This looked to be in good condition and seeing the age/size of the youngest daughter, I don't see how she could have comfortably sat in that chair.

When I brought up the fact that pg had 24 hours to "clean things up" prior to going to the PO office, I was thinking along the same exact terms you mentioned. It was plenty of time to warn other people to hide the two children. Whether they lived with pg, or he "chaperoned" them at times, they need to be found.

The PO, if he DID go to the house on the 25th, needs to answer why he left ANY stones unturned. If he didn't, that is even more upsetting. That was the reason I started thinking about the 24 hour period in the first place! pg had a lot of motivation to "make the problem disappear". Thank God he didn't!

Not only the chair, but some of the other toddler aged toys as well raised my suspicions. Jaycee's youngest is 11, would toys like the plastic toddler tricycle really look that good after sitting outside in the scorching sun, wind, and rain for 8-10 years? I mean, it doesn't look great, but it doesn't look 8-10 years old to me.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kca5Daij6hk/SrONLu8lYBI/AAAAAAAAJsE/HRc77KOZY9E/s400/image5271835.jpg

[SunnieRN]

Not only the chair, but some of the other toddler aged toys as well raised my suspicions. Jaycee's youngest is 11, would toys like the plastic toddler tricycle really look that good after sitting outside in the scorching sun, wind, and rain for 8-10 years? I mean, it doesn't look great, but it doesn't look 8-10 years old to me.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kca5Daij6hk/SrONLu8lYBI/AAAAAAAAJsE/HRc77KOZY9E/s400/image5271835.jpg

Thank you for the link!

At this link: http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/wdaf-inside-jaycee-dugards-tent-pictures-9209,0,3788647.photogallery?index=la-me-kidnapping11_kp3u1qnc

picture three shows the teddy bear, that doesn't look 8 or 10 years old either

This is one site that shows the outdoor kiddie chair:

http://www.mahalo.com/jaycee-dugard-photos

I think it can be found on radar.com also.

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Not only the chair, but some of the other toddler aged toys as well raised my suspicions. Jaycee's youngest is 11, would toys like the plastic toddler tricycle really look that good after sitting outside in the scorching sun, wind, and rain for 8-10 years? I mean, it doesn't look great, but it doesn't look 8-10 years old to me.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kca5Daij6hk/SrONLu8lYBI/AAAAAAAAJsE/HRc77KOZY9E/s400/image5271835.jpg


You and Sunnie have both made great observations, albeit I must admit, I'm feeling pretty creeped out right now.

[SunnieRN]

These pictures were after Jaycee and the girls were recovered and somewhere it has been stated that LE had been back there and removed pictures and things that "Jaycee may want or find important", sorry not a direct quote. Anyway my point is, what else was removed that may have shown that younger children had been present and did Jaycee ever state that there were NEVER other kids there? I've never read that.

[i.b.nora]

I have been doing some more research regarding the veracity of the SacBee article. Here is the conclusion I have arrived at:

Both The SacBee and The Contra Costa Times were lied to by Gordon Hinkle, a spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, regarding the activities of Garrido's parole agent in general, and specifically regarding the afternoon of August 26th.

Here is what the Contra Costa Times reported:

""Garrido was on lifetime parole, subject to routine home checks and GPS monitoring, according to Gordon Hinkle, a spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. He wore a GPS anklet since late 2007, as the state requires all paroled sex offenders to do under Jessica's Law, which passed in 2006.

Hinkle said Friday that Phillip Garrido's parole officer visited the Antioch house about twice a month and had entered the backyard, but never saw any signs of the compound that held Jaycee Dugard or their children behind a fence, or even any indication of children living there.

"There were no signs of toys, kids' bowls or plates, games. No indication there were kids there," Hinkle said.

Hinkle said the parole agent, who was assigned to Garrido since last December, visited the Antioch house on Tuesday, after receiving word from UC Berkeley police that Garrido was spotted with the two girls trying to hand out religious literature on campus.

Apparently there was no one home, Hinkle said, so the agent called Garrido into his office the next day. He arrived with his wife, Nancy, the two children and Dugard, who went by "Allissa." For a few hours, Hinkle said, Garrido remained vague about their relationship.

The agent had never seen the girls, so he was confused by their accompanying him to the parole office, Hinkle said."

The above sentence tells us that what Hinkle is saying is not true. We already know that Jacobs from UCBerkeley had mentioned the 'kids' to the parole agent. The parole agent was lucky the kids were there.

""(Garrido) was evasive for several hours. They separated the girls from Garrido. A lot of stuff was not adding up," he said.

The agent called in Concord police, who teased out the relationship from both Dugard and Garrido.

Hinkle said he didn"t know when, before Tuesday, the parole agent last visited the house or the backyard, but said the fence separating the yard from the compound where Dugard and the girls lived "appeared to be the property line. You'd never know there was an additional yard.""

So, we know that Hinkle is not being totally upfront with anything he has to say about his parole agency.

Contra Costa sheriff admits missed opportunities to rescue Jaycee Dugard (http://www.contracostatimes.com/jaycee-dugard/ci_13223931)
Contra Costa Times

And, in a CNN article:

"Hinkle said the officer who flushed out Garrido's alleged crimes had only been supervising him since December. When the officer learned from campus police that Garrido had 11- and 15-year-old girls in tow while proselytizing at the University of California-Berkeley, he called Garrido in for a meeting.

Garrido arrived with his wife, Dugard and the two girls. Hinkle would not provide details of the conversation -- it could affect the investigation and prosecution, he said -- but he did say Garrido and his wife were not forthcoming about Dugard's and the girls' identities.

It was the parole officer's diligence that ultimately yielded the Garridos' arrest and Dugard and her daughters' freedom.

Said Hinkle, "They were coming in being elusive and deceptive about their identities, and the agent would not let go.""

Experts: Monitoring tools failed to unearth Garrido's secret (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/01/california.garrido.monitoring/index.html)
CNN

So, it seems, at the very least that both CC Times and SacBee bought into Hinkle's 'story'.

[Billylee]

You and Sunnie have both made great observations, albeit I must admit, I'm feeling pretty creeped out right now.


ditto!

[anthroamy]

Hinkle said he didn"t know when, before Tuesday, the parole agent last visited the house or the backyard, but said the fence separating the yard from the compound where Dugard and the girls lived "appeared to be the property line. You'd never know there was an additional yard.""


Respectfully snipped by me. I would also like to add that I looked through the pictures of the backyard prison and house again, and there appear to be TWO gates leading to the hidden backyard. The one I previously noticed and one that goes through the carport. They are very obvious.

[anthroamy]

You and Sunnie have both made great observations, albeit I must admit, I'm feeling pretty creeped out right now.

Looking through the pictures again here are more things that seem out of place to me:

A baby's walker (could be old enough to be the youngest daughters, maybe?)
Another toddler's plastic tricycle, different from the one before in even better condition
A child sized Fisher-Price picnic table in relatively good condition
A Fisher-Price children's playhouse also in relatively good condition
Another child sized Fisher-Price picnic table, this one is definitely older because I remember my brothers (aged 16 and 11) having one like it
A child sized dress up pirate hat
A pair of red striped baby/child socks (My two year old had a similar pair) They're laying next to an adult or older child sized shoe in a pile of clothes. They're very small.
A child's car seat, but this could be old.

[Billylee]

Looking through the pictures again here are more things that seem out of place to me:

A baby's walker (could be old enough to be the youngest daughters, maybe?)
Another toddler's plastic tricycle, different from the one before in even better condition
A child sized Fisher-Price picnic table in relatively good condition
A Fisher-Price children's playhouse also in relatively good condition
Another child sized Fisher-Price picnic table, this one is definitely older because I remember my brothers (aged 16 and 11) having one like it
A child sized dress up pirate hat
A pair of red striped baby/child socks (My two year old had a similar pair) They're laying next to an adult or older child sized shoe in a pile of clothes. They're very small.
A child's car seat, but this could be old.


Okay, where are you seeing this stuff?

Also, has anyone looked at the pictures of the kitchen to see if there was anything like sippy cups the dish rack? I can't seem to get the picture to zoom.

[songline]

Could the other guy he was with in 1972 have been a rookie cop/close chum of PG? Maybe the other guy's dad was on the force at the time? Maybe the other guy is a cop now and covered for PG all these years? Maybe a childhood "brother" of PG's?
It would explain how the girl was possibly "persuaded" not to testify against PG. It could have been this "chum" that tipped the girls parents off as to her whereabouts. Maybe PG's behavior disgusted this "chum" but there was no way he could ever turn his back on his childhood friend. The "chum" knew what PG was doing was wrong but felt the need to protect him? Maybe the "chum" owed PG some kind of lifetime favor/friendship "fee". It would explain how PG got away with this and many other crimes. More crimes than we've even begun to know, I fear. Maybe it was this chum that called the tip in about JC at the service station in 92 in the yellow van, hoping to rat PG out w/out having his name attached to it? Is this too far out there?

Another poster mentioned Classmates.com so I checked it out and there were a couple of eyebrow raising posts about his behavior early on from former classmates. Wouldn't it make sense that PG would make "connections" w/ LE early on in his criminal career so that he could get away with his behavior at least somewhat easier? Sometimes cops are just plain C R O O K E D or maybe I'm just WAY off. Any of this make sense?


Yes it does make sense, and I have been trying to figure out why there has been no mention of the 2 girls since his arrest 2 months ago.
I hope my mind is not running away but 18 years to get away with something of that nature.
Somebody is covering his azz.. I posted this on another thread.
It has made my mind spin...PG has other perp friends and there has been no news since his arrest, no little girls, no additional arrests, no TIP Number clearly made available. I tried to find a tip number and could not. How Can it be? :waitasec:
This video did happen....How can that be?
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Corruption? Contra Costa County

[SunnieRN]

One site:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209966/Jaycee-Lee-Dugards-prison-First-pictures-filthy-backyard-jail-religious-fanatic-held-kidnapped-girl.html

[SunnieRN]

Yes it does make sense, and I have been trying to figure out why there has been no mention of the 2 girls since his arrest 2 months ago.
I hope my mind is not running away but 18 years to get away with something of that nature.
Somebody is covering his azz.. I posted this on another thread.
It has made my mind spin...PG has other perp friends and there has been no news since his arrest, no little girls, no additional arrests, no TIP Number clearly made available. I tried to find a tip number and could not. How Can it be? :waitasec:
This video did happen....How can that be?
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Corruption? Contra Costa County (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4368657&postcount=95)

Loved this link then and love it now. Thank you Songline!

This leads us back to the Johnny Gosch kidnapper and the fact that Michaelas kidnapper look exactly alike!

Bye the way, other backyard picture sites:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-photos-inside-jaycee-lee-dugard%E2%80%99s-sick-backyard-prison

http://mayorofconcord.com/2009/jaycee-dugards-prison-photos/

There are more sites like mahalo, listed above also

Songline, there is no way at this point to know if the two children taken into custody two months ago were even girls. The article said two children.