Kyle Wade Clinkscales

[believe09]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/clinkscales_kyle.html

Missing: January 27, 1976 La Grange, GA
Classification: Endangered Missing/Presumed Deceased Possible Homicide
DOB: October 2, 1953
Height/Weight: 5'11" 156LBS
Distinguishing Charecteristics: Caucasian Male, Brown hair, hazel eyes, may wear a moustache, previously fractured right ring finger.

Circumstances: Kyle was a student at Auburn University. He was last seen leaving Moose Lodge, where he worked, to return to the University. He was due to meet a friend on the following Friday but never showed up. He was driving a white Pinto and was reported missing by his parents on February 3, 1976.

Links to some of the media:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22155.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/220251/body_of_lagrange_georgia_resident_still.html
http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=missinga&action=display&num=1113431495

[believe09]

A few tips on Kyle were called in to me as a result of the flyer that has been circulating the last week or so. I did some research, made some phone calls and talked to Sheriff Nixon of Troup County...he is responsible for the case.

Kyle Clinkscales is presumed dead due to the recovered memory of someone who believes they saw him buried. Although the pond was drained where the tipster believes Kyle was dumped, all that was found was a depression.

Where things get a little crazy:

A skiptrace of Kyle C's ssn shows it being used up until 2001, last in PA.
Kyle's SSN still shows as active although his parents told a source that they had declared him dead.
There was no physical evidence indicating he was deceased.
Sheriff Nixon is open minded enough to request that Kyle C's MtDNA sample, currently being held at the GBI Crime Lab, be compared to Benjaman Kyle's MtDNA sample.

I will keep you all in the loop as I am informed...

:blowkiss:

[dreamweaver]

A few tips on Kyle were called in to me as a result of the flyer that has been circulating the last week or so. I did some research, made some phone calls and talked to Sheriff Nixon of Troup County...he is responsible for the case.

Kyle Clinkscales is presumed dead due to the recovered memory of someone who believes they saw him buried. Although the pond was drained where the tipster believes Kyle was dumped, all that was found was a depression.


Where things get a little crazy:

A skiptrace of Kyle C's ssn shows it being used up until 2001, last in PA.
Kyle's SSN still shows as active although his parents told a source that they had declared him dead.
There was no physical evidence indicating he was deceased.
Sheriff Nixon is open minded enough to request that Kyle C's MtDNA sample, currently being held at the GBI Crime Lab, be compared to Benjaman Kyle's MtDNA sample.

I will keep you all in the loop as I am informed...

:blowkiss:
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Well, glad you explained that. LOL. I was beginning to think you had just picked someone at random and decided, we'll just try and see if he's a match.

Odd.Odd.

[dreamweaver]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/clinkscales_kyle.html

Missing: January 27, 1976 La Grange, GA
Classification: Endangered Missing/Presumed Deceased Possible Homicide
DOB: October 2, 1953
Height/Weight: 5'11" 156LBS
Distinguishing Charecteristics: Caucasian Male, Brown hair, hazel eyes, may wear a moustache, previously fractured right ring finger.

Circumstances: Kyle was a student at Auburn University. He was last seen leaving Moose Lodge, where he worked, to return to the University. He was due to meet a friend on the following Friday but never showed up. He was driving a white Pinto and was reported missing by his parents on February 3, 1976.

Links to some of the media:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22155.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/220251/body_of_lagrange_georgia_resident_still.html
http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=missinga&action=display&num=1113431495
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believe09:
I understand why you are submitting this person.
But,
He just does not look like Benjaman K to me.

[believe09]

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believe09:
I understand why you are submitting this person.
But,
He just does not look like Benjaman K to me.

Me either, friend. I submitted it based on the LE request, so I wanted to loop all of you in. Kyle has come up a few times over the years, but with the conviction of the person who apparently confessed to disposing his body, I figured it was safely set aside. I admire that the Sheriff is willing to leave no stone unturned for the Clinkscales who are still alive....

[believe09]

Man I am receiving a lot of feedback from folks regarding this possible match-there are many who like it a whole lot!!

[Cymro]

Okay folks, this is where it gets really weird:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xEkVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UuIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2969,213778&dq=walter-moore+amnesia

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19810602&id=qvsGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4TQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4263,79174

Briefly, it appears that in 1981 a man named Danny Walter Moore telephoned Kyle Clinkscales' parents, using Kyle's name, and later wrote to them with similar handwriting. He claimed to have memories of having been in the Clinkscales' home and of being in Georgia, although he was living in Oregon. His parents ultimately appear to have decided that it was't him although dental records may have been compared as a rule out.

Apparently he thought he looked like Clinkscales but DNA obviously wasn't available back then to give a definitive answer. There doesn't seem to have been any follow up on Moore who (oddly) claims to have assumed the identity of his boss's deceased son. I wonder if "Moore" could have been the person who used KWC's SSN until 2001 or could be Benjaman, having suffered a relapse in 2004. Heck, I guess both are possible but unlikely. It might also explain the interest of LE for Clinkscales' case in Benjaman if we have kind of been here before.

Finally it appears that KWC's father died in 2007 but his mother appears still to be with us so we need to be quite careful with regard to this family's hopes.

[believe09]

We are staying far from the family, Cymro because of the story you posted but thank you for reminding all of us sleuthers why we have to sleuth before we drag family into our "discoveries." I think that is a good point you raised-that Moore may have been using Kyle's ssn.

What in incredible twist it would be if Moore and Bk were the same person...

[Julessleuther]

I did not see any photos of Danny Moore in the newspaper articles; did I miss something? Has anyone researched what happened to Danny Moore? Very odd indeed!

Edit:

I just googled Kyle Clinkscales name and there is one listed in Bend, Oregon, so it appears that this Danny person assumed Kyles name? It is an unusual name, and yet I have found several listings, including one that works at a Summit gym in Grapevine, Tx.

[believe09]

I did not see any photos of Danny Moore in the newspaper articles; did I miss something? Has anyone researched what happened to Danny Moore? Very odd indeed!

Edit:

I just googled Kyle Clinkscales name and there is one listed in Bend, Oregon, so it appears that this Danny person assumed Kyles name? It is an unusual name, and yet I have found several listings, including one that works at a Summit gym in Grapevine, Tx.

The Kyle in Oregon has been completely vetted-he just happens to have the same name. O/T I used to go to the Summit Gym in Grapevine TX-what a small world!

Does the age/dob etc seem close??

[dearmont]

Two things that stood out for me when looking at the images of younger Clinkscales was the scar under the chin and the pronounced cheek when smiling - both seem evident in the photos of Benjaman Kyle. Together with both being from/in GA and having connection to College/University and work in food service - I'm thinking this is a match.

[Cubby]

FWIW, I do not think Kyle Clinkscales resembles Mr. Kyle. I don't normally comment on possible matches, but after reading the circumstances behind his disappearance AND that his SS# was used so many years after his disappearance I'll add a comment. It appears that Kyle Clinkscales is a victim of identity theft.

I had thought about that same possibility with Mr. Kyle this weekend. It occured to me, if he was reported missing and local LE FOUND activity on his SS, they would have notified the family he was willingly missing, no?

Going to paste this in the general thread as well.

OT- kind of, IMO, this Kyle Clinkscales reminds me a little bit of David Cassidy... but more so that 70's -80's actor. Can't think of his name, brown hair, but he always played the troubled teen. In one of them he had a drug problem. Can picture his face, but can not place the name for the life of me.

Also, there is a thread for Kyle Clinkscales, in the cold case forum? A google shows it at WS, but I didn't go further......

[believe09]

Two things that stood out for me when looking at the images of younger Clinkscales was the scar under the chin and the pronounced cheek when smiling - both seem evident in the photos of Benjaman Kyle. Together with both being from/in GA and having connection to College/University and work in food service - I'm thinking this is a match.

I have been told MtDNA is being processed. I believe it may have to be run sample to sample rather than via database. Could take 3 weeks.

[Julessleuther]

Do we know anything more about Kyles background? Did he ever live in Indiana or have family there that they may have visited, thus, the Indiana memories? Is/was Kyles family Catholic? Are they remotely related to the Powell family? I can try and research ancestry.com

I do not think they look alike, but am still intrigued by the possibility, as it does seem BK has alot of "southern style" culinary tastes.

[believe09]

The civilian tipster I spoke with regarding Kyle Clinkscales as a possible match was kind enough to photocopy a book written by Kyle's father regarding missing persons in the US and Kyle's case in particular. I am going to excerpt the book regarding the little bit of information on Kyle's background:

Kyle's DOB was 10/2/53. He was born at St Marys in Montgomery AL.
When he was two, the family relocated to Chicago, IL.
When he was 5, the family relocated to the Philadelphia PA area.
When he was 6, they moved to Atlanta, GA.
When he was around 9, they moved to LaGrange, Ga and stayed there.
Kyle was devoted to basketball for most of his life. He started to play when he was 9 and held tickets to attend a basketball game the weekend after he disappeared.
Kyle spent 3 quarters at Auburn University and then transferred to LaGrange College in 1972.
Kyle withdrew from college in 1975 and moved in to a trailer with the owner of a photography shop in La Grange. The owner eventually sold the shop and the trailer, and Kyle moved home.
Kyle re-enrolled at Auburn in the fall.
Kyle routinely skipped classes and had d's or incompletes for grades regardless of where he went to school.
Kyle's father was an avid camper who established a group called Troup Travelers.
Please keep in mind that these statements are all being made by his father, so as far as I know they have not been independently verified.

[believe09]

Mr. Kyle tells me that GBI has RULED OUT the possible match. I am trying to get more information-was it based on DNA etc....

[believe09]

:waitasec:

Mr. Kyle does not know how the rule out was done.

[Julessleuther]

That is a shame. The Chicago connection made it even more intriguing. Thank you Believe for putting this out there and for your hard work.

Mr. Kyle tells me that GBI has RULED OUT the possible match. I am trying to get more information-was it based on DNA etc....

[believe09]

The GBI agent I spoke with told me that no formal rule out was made; neither was there any formal consideration given to the possibility. Kyle Clinkscales MtDNA is at the GBI crime lab. There are dental records for him as well-I cannot tell whether those have been lost over the years from having been sent from one agency to another. I believe Benjaman's MtDNA is being held at another facility....not the University of North Texas.


I had received an email from Nurse B indicating that Sheriff Nixon and the GBI crime lab were looking to make a DNA comparison between Kyle and BK-I wonder what happened???

So confusing, lol....

[Julessleuther]

What the heck? Do they do not even want to consider it? Maybe they have compelling evidence of Kyles death, so feel this is not a match? The GBI agent I spoke with told me that no formal rule out was made; neither was there any formal consideration given to the possibility. Kyle Clinkscales MtDNA is at the GBI crime lab. There are dental records for him as well-I cannot tell whether those have been lost over the years from having been sent from one agency to another. I believe Benjaman's MtDNA is being held at another facility....not the University of North Texas.


I had received an email from Nurse B indicating that Sheriff Nixon and the GBI crime lab were looking to make a DNA comparison between Kyle and BK-I wonder what happened???

So confusing, lol....

[believe09]

What the heck? Do they do not even want to consider it? Maybe they have compelling evidence of Kyles death, so feel this is not a match?

You could be right Jules-but for sure they do not have a body. I am living in a dreamworld clearly where things are checked just so someone like me doesn't have any questions, lol!!!!!

[dreamweaver]

Well, a topsy turvy day in the world of dna match or not.

[believe09]

I am still trying to verify the grounds that ruled out this match-as soon as I get anything I will post it!