CT- Annie Le, missing from Yale, FOUND DECEASED Thread #6

[christine2448]

Please continue discussions here.

I advise everyone to read the RULES OF WS before participating. TIA.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

[SondraK]

Is there a possibility that LE has lost track of their suspect? Just wondering why they would be stopping and talking to people in the area of where suspect lives.

[amysmom]

Update (hln) just said LE is or has been at the POIs home today so where is the media when you need them?

[Carolina Girl]

Sadly, I think the entire case was contaminated. Annie disappeared on Tuesday...They locked the building down on Sunday, business as usual all week. Yea, they HAVE to have the i's dotted and t's crossed.

[Angel Who Cares]

Bumping this from the last thread!

Cops descend on home of Yale lab technician eyed in murder of student Annie Le
Updated Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 3:00 PM
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A swarm of cops has descended on the home of a Yale animal research technician who worked with murdered grad student Annie Le.

Public records show the lab tech lives in a first-floor apartment at the complex in Middletown, about 20 miles from the Yale, The Associated Press reports.

Police parked outside the Wharfside Commons apartment complex would not confirm they were there to investigate the Le killing. A man answering the door there said the lab tech wasn't at home and closed the door.

Cops say the tech is not in custody.

Police zeroed in on the man several days ago, after he failed lie detector tests and had scratches on his chest that suggest he was in a struggle.

Article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/15/2009-09-15_cops_set_to_reveal_yale_student_annie_le_cause_ of_death_hope_to_make_arrest_tues.html

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[Angel Who Cares]

No Autopsy Today; Officials Gathering Near Middletown Apartment
3:47 p.m. EDT, September 15, 2009
<snipped>
But authorities are keeping watch on some of Le's co-workers and have gathered at an apartment complex in Middletown that may be the residence of a Yale animal research technician.

An official parked outside the Wharfside Commons apartment complex, asked whether he was there as part of the Le case, said only "I can't confirm or deny that rumor."

A man at the apartment Tuesday did not open the door but said he didn't know the man in question.

Neighbors said authorities in a gray SUV arrived Monday afternoon and frequently follow and pull over drivers in the complex. A woman who works inside the leasing office at the apartment complex said she had been instructed not to talk.

Article:
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/yale-annie-le/hc-yale-student-suspect-annie-le-lab-technician-up,0,7500432.story

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[amysmom]

Bumping this from the last thread!

Cops descend on home of Yale lab technician eyed in murder of student Annie Le
Updated Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 3:00 PM
<snipped>
A swarm of cops has descended on the home of a Yale animal research technician who worked with murdered grad student Annie Le.

Public records show the lab tech lives in a first-floor apartment at the complex in Middletown, about 20 miles from the Yale, The Associated Press reports.

Police parked outside the Wharfside Commons apartment complex would not confirm they were there to investigate the Le killing. A man answering the door there said the lab tech wasn't at home and closed the door.

Cops say the tech is not in custody.

Police zeroed in on the man several days ago, after he failed lie detector tests and had scratches on his chest that suggest he was in a struggle.

Article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/15/2009-09-15_cops_set_to_reveal_yale_student_annie_le_cause_ of_death_hope_to_make_arrest_tues.html

:angel:

The NY Daily News obviously knows who the suspect is so why are they not revealing name?

[Carolina Girl]

Is there a possibility that LE has lost track of their suspect? Just wondering why they would be stopping and talking to people in the area of where suspect lives.

I think they have...

[Texas Mist]

I think they have...


for some reason I had it in my head the the suspect was under surveillance....the folks in the area must be terrified to think a brutal killer is on the loose!

[scandi]

Thanks for the new thread Christine.

During this pause I have been trying to figure out why the ME releasing a COD would impede the ongoing investigation.

Realizing last night it was intimated the test results coming back before 3 this afternoon is probably why they set the ME's results to be given at that hour. That duck would be in the row so to speak.

Yesterday on NG I heard De Lee say the DNA results could take a couple of days. That fits with this afternoon, right?

So IMO this delay has to do with some detail regarding how she was killed, in what manner, with what tool or equipment, etc. It could be something very simple that is much more complicated legally that LE needs to resolve, maybe even with the prosecutor's advice.

As an example, I am thinking that since we read right away the steam setting off an alarm was done on purpose by someone, and this is relative to her death in some way, it could be the lack of his fingerprint on that nob that is an issue.

Any ideas? xox

[JerzWhim]

Sadly, I think the entire case was contaminated. Annie disappeared on Tuesday...They locked the building down on Sunday, business as usual all week. Yea, they HAVE to have the i's dotted and t's crossed.

With regards to dealing with evidence in court, 5 days for a body to lie hidden in a work environment is a complicated thing for a District Attorney to work out for the jury. It's definitely something a proficient DA can address effectively, but a significant gap of time does not help any case.

[Labrat]

Thanks, I posted that because the name that matched the 1985 birthdate with the speeding violation was thanked in several published papers (along with 2-3 other techs) for invaluable assistance. Obviously an animal tech who cleans cages, etc would not be mentioned. But an "Animal Technician" IV or V might be acknowledged. Are we assuming that suspect is an Animal Technician I, or could he possibly be a higher level?
Thanks


I have never seen an animal room tech at any level thanked in a research paper- they're just not that involved in a single lab's work.

What that tells me is that he is most likely a high level research tech in the lab that published the papers. It's often a way of acknowledging the person who actually performed the experiments discussed in the paper without listing them as an author.

That's why I was uncomfortable with linking to his photo- I don't think that's the same guy listed as an animal tech. Labs don't invite animal techs in for photos- the two groups are generally pretty separate. IME

We don't know for sure what level/kind of tech the suspect is, but we have speculated from media tidbits (which may be all wrong) that it's an animal tech working in the Amistad facility. An animal tech stationed in one facility would tend to be a lower level tech. The higher level techs have expanded duties and are more likely to work in several facilities, in my experience.

[Roy23]

I think they have...

I doubt it. I think it is the media that can't find him.

[Angel Who Cares]

From this article:

At a meeting of medical school students and teachers Monday, Yale president Richard Levin said police have narrowed the number of potential suspects to a very small pool because building security systems recorded who entered the building and what times they entered, the Yale Daily News reported Tuesday. He said the appropriate people are being monitored, the newspaper said.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/yale-annie-le/hc-yale-student-suspect-annie-le-lab-technician-up,0,7500432.story

:angel:

[dasaky]

O/T, but I wanted to say that I've been reading all the great information here and learning a lot. I was especially interested in Labrat's info. Anyway, I guess I've been reading on here too long, because I started noticing someone else's posts and I thought they had a cool handle, "Labrat". I was totally reading it as LA brat. I was actually thinking it could be my daughter posting. LOL :crazy: I think I'm losing my mind.

[rdm64]

The NY Daily News obviously knows who the suspect is so why are they not revealing name?
no they don't. they are pulling an ap wire which they atrribute thus:
"Public records show the lab tech lives in a first-floor apartment at the complex in Middletown, about 20 miles from the Yale, The Associated Press reports."

So someone at AP knows . Why not give the name? because they undoubtably have several thresholds of clear and authoritative official sourcing before they tag someone as a murder suspect. Think "Richard Jewell" Those thresholds were probably not reached when the story was filed. It is less egregious an error to publish police activity at a residence than a actual name.,

[Harmony2]

For anyone wanting to leave a condolence, this is Annie Le's Legacy Guest Book:

http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=532708795367

[STEADFAST]

Is there a possibility that LE has lost track of their suspect? Just wondering why they would be stopping and talking to people in the area of where suspect lives.

:eek::eek::eek: . . .

[Coolmomof4]

With the report of an official SUV following and pulling over drivers, it also makes me wonder if they lost the suspect as well.

[Labrat]

Thanks for the new thread Christine.

During this pause I have been trying to figure out why the ME releasing a COD would impede the ongoing investigation.

Realizing last night it was intimated the test results coming back before 3 this afternoon is probably why they set the ME's results to be given at that hour. That duck would be in the row so to speak.

Yesterday on NG I heard De Lee say the DNA results could take a couple of days. That fits with this afternoon, right?

So IMO this delay has to do with some detail regarding how she was killed, in what manner, with what tool or equipment, etc. It could be something very simple that is much more complicated legally that LE needs to resolve, maybe even with the prosecutor's advice.

As an example, I am thinking that since we read right away the steam setting off an alarm was done on purpose by someone, and this is relative to her death in some way, it could be the lack of his fingerprint on that nob that is an issue.

Any ideas? xox

Hi Scandi!

It was reported that the alarm was automatically triggered- not the kind you pull. Then it was reported later that they believed the alarm had nothing to do with Annie.

[postdoc]

An interesting insight from the Yale Daily News comments:


The hallway showed in the picture is not at all a "high security" zone of the basement. It is basically the trash pickup area. Maybe the reporters wanted to show the "gloomiest" zone, and it is. The other areas, coming from the elevator, look nicer with the vending machines and access to the stairwell and outside (emergency exit). Also are the receiving dock and sorting area, the mail room, and other storage for heavy cleaning equipment. This hallway can be accessed directly from outside by swiping an ID (and a smile to the camera), or from inside the building through the elevators (after passing the camera and security desk, not gestapo) as most do. Many people have legitimate reasons to go in and out teh buiding without a background check. All that extra security was set up because of the politicized threats against the Stem Cell Center at that time.
It is unreasonable to ask for more security and personal body guards while at work, and since it seems that the criminal is a fully legitimate employee gone nuts, lack of security is not the issue here.
The police and FBI have methodically done everything they could considering the information they had at the time. Their dogs sniffed every inch of the building, and we moved boxes or small furniture to give access to hidden corners. They opened/removed any visible panel on walls and ceilings. It was very thorough. The place is full of sophisticated equipment and there is plenty of double walls to hide all the "guts and behinds" of electronic control panels and other venting apparatus so it looks nice and tidy. Who want to see the back of an autoclave?
I suppose that only after they were sure there was no gap in the security system, did they focus on an in-house criminal and looked at the blue prints to locate hidden cavities, most unknown even by those who work there. Why not blame the architects next?
Only a camera within the facility could have helped to find Annie sooner by tracking her steps further along, but it may not have been enough to prevent the crime. As Pres. Levin said, "you can't stop evil", and evil it was. One person's mind snapped and all the security in the world can't change that. I feel so sorry for Annie, her fiance, their families and friends. And I hope I never met the person who did it...

Article and photo referenced is here:
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/15/crime-scene-unsealed/

[scandi]

The NY Daily News obviously knows who the suspect is so why are they not revealing name?

Could it be he has flown the proverbial coop? If an arrangement was made thru his attny that he would stay available by phone with LE and suddenly he wasn't there or available, it could be a reason they would swoop on his residence. Just sayin'.

[Roy23]

no they don't. they are pulling an ap wire which they atrribute thus:
"Public records show the lab tech lives in a first-floor apartment at the complex in Middletown, about 20 miles from the Yale, The Associated Press reports."

So someone at AP knows . Why not give the name? because they undoubtably have several thresholds of clear and authoritative official sourcing before they tag someone as a murder suspect. Think "Richard Jewell" Those thresholds were probably not reached when the story was filed. It is less egregious an error to publish police activity at a residence than a actual name.,


Yep.

The media can be a bunch of scum too so you can bank on the name being released pretty soon. Somebody is going to release it and take their chances.

[Angel Who Cares]

AP reports New Haven police have 'person of
interest' in killing of Annie Le.
http://www.wtnh.com/generic/news/new_haven_cty/annie_le_disappearance#

:angel:

[Labrat]

O/T, but I wanted to say that I've been reading all the great information here and learning a lot. I was especially interested in Labrat's info. Anyway, I guess I've been reading on here too long, because I started noticing someone else's posts and I thought they had a cool handle, "Labrat". I was totally reading it as LA brat. I was actually thinking it could be my daughter posting. LOL :crazy: I think I'm losing my mind.

Thank you! I know- I'm so annoyed with myself. I should have done it LabRat. My DH was reading over my shoulder right after I signed up and said "La Brat?! How'd you come up with that?" I need the head/desk smiley! LOL.

[rdm64]

With the report of an official SUV following and pulling over drivers, it also makes me wonder if they lost the suspect as well.

no they could just have him located in the building and are triple checking any vehicles leaving just in case. nothing wrong with being overly cautious even if you have men at every door.

[Chili Fries]

no they don't. they are pulling an ap wire which they atrribute thus:
"Public records show the lab tech lives in a first-floor apartment at the complex in Middletown, about 20 miles from the Yale, The Associated Press reports."


To continue my post from the other thread. There has also been a report that the suspect lives at the Wharfside Commons. I used the neighbor search at whitepages.com and at 411.com to find all the even numbered listings on Ferry St between the 30 and 90 block. I then checked the males listed against the CT Courts database and didn't find any matches with the suspect's traffic violation.

The Wharfside Commons is a huge building and looks like it has a sister complex on the same side of the street and the neighbor search didn't provide nearly enough names to fill them so there are surely some names that didn't show up. If someone else has an idea about how to get all the names for the apt complexes I would be interested. Wharfside Commons is listed at 60 Ferry St Middletown CT.

[Roy23]

AP reports New Haven police have 'person of
interest' in killing of Annie Le.
http://www.wtnh.com/generic/news/new_haven_cty/annie_le_disappearance#

:angel:



Okay.

The ball is now rolling.

[Angel Who Cares]

AP: 'Person of interest' in Yale death
Updated: Tuesday, 15 Sep 2009, 4:23 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 15 Sep 2009, 4:23 PM EDT
<snipped>
A Connecticut official says New Haven police have identified a "person of interest" in the death of a Yale University graduate student.

The state official has firsthand knowledge of the police investigation in the death of 24-year-old Annie Le.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation in Le's killing is ongoing.

A New Haven police spokesman did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

Article:
http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_haven_cty/news_ap_hartford_ap_source_person_of_interest_in_y ale_death_200909151619

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[Angel Who Cares]

Lab tech 'suspect in bride-to-be killing'
<snipped>
An infatuated laboratory technician has reportedly emerged as the chief suspect in the US slaying of a doctoral student at an Ivy League university.

The Yale technician conducted animal testing at the building where Annie Le's body was found stuffed into a wall duct on Sunday, the New Haven Register reports.

The technician also failed a FBI lie detector test before refusing to answer further police questions, the report said.

The man was said to have an "unrequited love interest" in the 24-year-old bride-to-be, who was to be married to her long-time sweetheart at the weekend.

Those people were being closely monitored as the investigation continued, he said.

Police have said that no students are being considered suspects.

Article:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/863632/lab-tech-suspect-in-bride-to-be-killing

:angel:

[Labrat]

An interesting insight from the Yale Daily News comments:



Article and photo referenced is here:
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/15/crime-scene-unsealed/

That's a great find, postdoc. I saw that photo earlier today and thought it looked like the loading dock. That's probably as close as they could get. I have yet to work in an animal facility that allows any one in to take photos.

It does surprise me that there are no cameras in the hallways of the animal facility, though.

[eyes4crime]

Thanks for the new thread Christine.

During this pause I have been trying to figure out why the ME releasing a COD would impede the ongoing investigation.

Realizing last night it was intimated the test results coming back before 3 this afternoon is probably why they set the ME's results to be given at that hour. That duck would be in the row so to speak.

Yesterday on NG I heard De Lee say the DNA results could take a couple of days. That fits with this afternoon, right?

So IMO this delay has to do with some detail regarding how she was killed, in what manner, with what tool or equipment, etc. It could be something very simple that is much more complicated legally that LE needs to resolve, maybe even with the prosecutor's advice.

As an example, I am thinking that since we read right away the steam setting off an alarm was done on purpose by someone, and this is relative to her death in some way, it could be the lack of his fingerprint on that nob that is an issue.

Any ideas? xox

Hi there scandi...just my take...The cause of death may involve a crucial or very particular fact that only the perp would know. Maybe they are waiting for DNA. No arrest - would indicate to me there has been no confession and perhaps not enough info to make an airtight case...yet. The DA has to prove this case to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt and not a one of us would want it to be any other way. A question - where did you get the info that the steam that set off an alarm was done on purpose? TIA

[Paladen]

Several points that need attention...
1)- Why was the case "treated" by police as a homicide? When it is clear cut Murder- the evidence found screams murder - not manslaughter or generic homicide...
2) - When will they raise the level of the investigation to a "Murder"?
3) - If the victim had been a Senator's daughter from D.C. it would have been automatically refered to by police as a "murder" to begin with-
Pardon me for asking but I am new here and have a keen interest in this case-
Thank You - WS & all

[Labrat]

I doubt it. I think it is the media that can't find him.

They should check the lab.

Have I mentioned I dislike the media?

[Paladen]

Any reporter who follows the police to the apartment can witness them knock on the door of a first floor residence - without actually knowing further details-this is called "reporting" - not as complicated as holding back evidence -or leaking-

[Columbo]

Is there a possibility that LE has lost track of their suspect? Just wondering why they would be stopping and talking to people in the area of where suspect lives.

I thought his lawyers were going to watch him and make sure he went nowhere?? (or am I thinking of another case?)

How could they screw up a case so badly?

[Columbo]

Several points that need attention...
1)- Why was the case "treated" by police as a homicide? When it is clear cut Murder- the evidence found screams murder - not manslaughter or generic homicide...
2) - When will they raise the level of the investigation to a "Murder"?
3) - If the victim had been a Senator's daughter from D.C. it would have been automatically refered to by police as a "murder" to begin with-
Pardon me for asking but I am new here and have a keen interest in this case-
Thank You - WS & all

bolded by me.

Homicide is murder. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicide

[Coolmomof4]

The Wharfside Commons is a huge building and looks like it has a sister complex on the same side of the street and the neighbor search didn't provide nearly enough names to fill them so there are surely some names that didn't show up. If someone else has an idea about how to get all the names for the apt complexes I would be interested. Wharfside Commons is listed at 60 Ferry St Middletown CT.

I went through all of the names at that address and googled them with "yale" and "lab tech" and found nothing. So I'm guessing he's unlisted, or hasn't been there long, or some other reason.

[Labrat]

Several points that need attention...
1)- Why was the case "treated" by police as a homicide? When it is clear cut Murder- the evidence found screams murder - not manslaughter or generic homicide...
2) - When will they raise the level of the investigation to a "Murder"?
3) - If the victim had been a Senator's daughter from D.C. it would have been automatically refered to by police as a "murder" to begin with-
Pardon me for asking but I am new here and have a keen interest in this case-
Thank You - WS & all

It's just medico-legal terminology- it means murder

Forensic autopsy

A forensic autopsy is used to determine the cause of death. Forensic science involves the application of the sciences to answer questions of interest to the legal system. In United States law, deaths are placed in one of five manners:

* Natural
* Accident
* Homicide
* Suicide
* Undetermined

[eyes4crime]

An interesting insight from the Yale Daily News comments:



Article and photo referenced is here:
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/university-news/2009/09/15/crime-scene-unsealed/

The defense will have a great time with that info. Just can't believe media walked in and did as they pleased. Doesn't that mean anyone could have walked in and tampered, moved the body, etc.? Also, with Annie's history of professionalism and dedication, I'm shocked LE thought she would ran away without a word to anyone. I felt LE was doing a decent job, once they actually started, but now I reserve the right to change my mind. :mad:

[redheadedgal]

Statement from Le family expected @ 7pm




http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/crime/news_wtnh_new_haven_le_family_statement_2009091514 05

[scandi]

Hi there scandi...just my take...The cause of death may involve a crucial or very particular fact that only the perp would know. Maybe they are waiting for DNA. No arrest - would indicate to me there has been no confession and perhaps not enough info to make an airtight case...yet. The DA has to prove this case to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt and not a one of us would want it to be any other way. A question - where did you get the info that the steam that set off an alarm was done on purpose? TIA


Hi Eyes, I'd have to go back to the first links when we learned about the letting off of steam that triggered an alarm. Maybe the word used was that it was 'purposely' done by someone.

And thanks for those ideas as they make perfect sense. xox

[STEADFAST]

Hi Eyes, I'd have to go back to the first links when we learned about the letting off of steam that triggered an alarm. Maybe the word used was that it was 'purposely' done by someone.

And thanks for those ideas as they make perfect sense. xox

The FBI agent (Mertz) did not answer the question about whether the steam was released on purpose:

PRESS CONFERENCE, SEP 12
LORIMER: From the reports that I have gotten, it was a kind of fire alarm that is not the old-fashioned kind that someone might have pulled. One of the questions I had about this. It was a kind that would be automatically triggered. in this case, the underlying rationale was there was steam that came out of a piece of equipment and steam set it off, I think much in the same way we might have one of the alarm go off in our house, if you're boiling something on the kitchen stove.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And was it an accidental stream or was it a steam that was caused by a human being?

MERTZ: I believe it was caused by a human being opening up a device that let the steam out.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: By mistake or on purpose?

(CROSSTALK)
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/12/cnr.07.html

[f_stills]

This is probably irrelevant, but in the last thread (#5) there were a few members having a discussion about lab procedure in experiments with mice. I was reading the New York Times' latest article on the Le case and they actually mentioned mice twice, and because of the previous thread the mentions caught my eye:

Ms. Le, who watched experiments with laboratory mice at the lab building, had herself weighed in on the subject of campus safety less than eight months ago....

Dennis Jones, a graduate student in immunology, said he often saw her at lunchtime, walking along the block between her office and the lab building where she was apparently killed. Many times, he said, she was pushing a cart with the mice she used for experiments. He said it took three levels of security to get into the basement of the lab building, including two swipes of a security card.

The discussion in the previous thread was partly revolved around where the mice are kept and where the experiments are performed. It seems Le not only experimented with the mice but transported them between buildings herself. I wonder if the suspected animal tech is someone who had contact with her through the mice, so to speak.

[Paulette]

Is there a possibility that LE has lost track of their suspect? Just wondering why they would be stopping and talking to people in the area of where suspect lives.

Of course. They've lost him!! I couldn't put it together.

[Paladen]

yes - however at the time it was announced at a news media block "press statement" it seems rather much adue about nothing- if it is a homicide and that is the statement - Everyone with an ounce of brains already realized that earlier- My point is- it appears the police are more interested in their "appearance' than in truth- especially on the campus of the spawning ground for high profile defense attorneys who will plea mis-trial- police are forced to wear kid gloves-

[scandi]

bolded by me.

Homicide is murder. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicide

I thought homicide was the death of a person by another person. It is a very general term and not specific to intent.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another person with intent or malice of forethought. IMO. xox

[Concerned Citizen]

Channel 3 is naming names!

[Gene]

Channel 3 is naming names!


Which channel 3? Can you give a link to the channel or give initials or both?

[Concerned Citizen]

http://www.wfsb.com/

Can't find anything on the site.

"RC"

[scandi]

The FBI agent (Mertz) did not answer the question about whether the steam was released on purpose:

PRESS CONFERENCE, SEP 12


Thanks STEADFAST, Very interesting since acc to your quote from the presser Ms Mertz said: "I believe it was caused by a human being opening up a device that let the steam out'.

It must what I read and then assumed this was a purposeful act on the part of the person who opened the device. xox

[postdoc]

http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html

[Recovering-Lurker]

Channel 3 is naming names!

And... I'm anxious.

[Concerned Citizen]

Did anyone else see this? I was watching New Haven channel 8 and then switched over to 3, where they were showing pictures and saying his name.

[TheatreGal1]

Did anyone else see this? I was watching New Haven channel 8 and then switched over to 3, where they were showing pictures and saying his name.

Here's the link to that site that names his name "RC"
http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html

[Gene]

They are naming names, but not the name we have been looking at. This one has initials RC. Lets see if he has a single speeding ticket...

http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html

[Recovering-Lurker]

http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html

The manager of the apartment complex told Eyewitness News that no one has seen Clark since Thursday.

So does LE know where he is or not?

[SuziQ]

So is this the name of anyone who's been sleuthing for it?

[Paladen]

More fluff - General statements such as -"This is not a random" incident...
Well dah- Such masterfully dictated tokens do little to solve the case-
More should be focused on the profile of the criminal-
Obviously the perp had one last chance to "get" her...he knew her prior to the act- Cold Blooded- he took the time to "hide' the evidence- methodical -he knew he would be seen by cameras- He knew the building in detail- all this seems to be totally un-mentioned by both the media & the Police- Focus on pressure on the criminal "perp" .... But what do I know?

[scandi]

bolded by me.

Homicide is murder. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicideHi again Columbo, I guess what I should have said is homicide can be murder but isn't always. xox

[Toi]

when i googled that name RC i got a professor anyone else get that?

[STEADFAST]

when i googled that name RC i got a professor anyone else get that?

Not the same guy. It's just a common name.

[KivaSupporter]

So is this the name of anyone who's been sleuthing for it?


NO, it is not.

[STEADFAST]

RC (Actually RJC III)
DOB 1985
"traveling unreasonably fast"
http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=080a4f85-7aeb-4d02-9796-559dbdde3c04

[Gene]

WOW!!!

RC was cited for and found guilty of "Traveling Unreasonably Fast ". And it is his only conviction. He was born in 1985. Just like quoted by the journalist. It's him!

[postdoc]

Type RC into this directory:

http://www.yale.edu/search/find_people.html

[scandi]

So does LE know where he is or not?

TheaterGal's link says he has not been seen since Thursday :confused:



PS: Thanks TG for your link.

[Jersey*Girl]

I had to hurry & logon. I was watching HLN and the reporter said that Annie was hardly ever in the Amistad Building, she only went there when she had work involving animals (mice). This reporter said she was informed that Annie did most of her research at Sterling. This is completely opposite, absolutely opposite, what was reported earlier...and on various occasions, by someone that knew Annie. What would be the reason for discrepancy? I can't help but wonder if the reporter is incorrect in her reporting? Annie's work involved mice, therefore she would need to be in the Amistad building. Man, I'm really confused.

[2sls]

RC is listed in the whitepages, complete address and phone number. Address matches news reports.

[yeknomaras]

Type RC into this directory:

http://www.yale.edu/search/find_people.html

title: Animal Techn Animal Resources Ctr



:clap: nice job :)

[jodierenee]

so he IS an animal tech. Wish someone could find a picture. Working on it now. No luck with his yale email in Myspace of Fbook.

[sariebell]

So, what do we think, guys? Is an arrest imminent (with the releasing of a specific name by a media outlet)?

I would think if you were sure enough to name names, you would be certain that an arrest was underway...

[blue_the_puppy]

so he IS an animal tech. Wish someone could find a picture. Working on it now. No luck with his yale email in Myspace of Fbook.

there is a picture of him in the article posted above: http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html#

[Paladen]

So a person is forced to ask ...the "WHY" question , why did he do it?
Motive....? This is where my interest is focused- not in announcing that a chopped up body in a wall is a homicide... all too obvious and a waste of tax payers money -
The Perp is now on the "run" so to spaek, knowing the clock is ticking -What was the motivation..? Passion , unrequitted love ? racial rage ? These are key questions to unravel the crime-

[scandi]

RC (Actually RJC III)
DOB 1985
"traveling unreasonably fast"
http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=080a4f85-7aeb-4d02-9796-559dbdde3c04


BINGO http://friendsforever.foren-city.de/images/smiles/a084.gif

[Turbododger]

Here is his picture:



http://www.wfsb.com/image/20929905/detail.html

[sniperacer]

So is this the name of anyone who's been sleuthing for it?


Not who I expected. But I'm a little salty.

[scandi]

title: Animal Techn Animal Resources Ctr



:clap: nice job :)

I second that! I wonder if he has reddish hair?



ETA: Thanks Turbododger for your photo of him and I see he doesn't appear to have red hair. I was thinking of the student who said a white male with reddish hair and blood on his shirt opened the door for her at Amistad.

[f_stills]

Very interesting: http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/suspect_in_anni.php

Info on suspect's fiancee... who apparently has a blog, with some entries still public.

[Recovering-Lurker]

Here is his picture:



http://www.wfsb.com/image/20929905/detail.html

The pic is from MySpace it looks like.

[rdm64]

Several points that need attention...
1)- Why was the case "treated" by police as a homicide? When it is clear cut Murder- the evidence found screams murder - not manslaughter or generic homicide...
2) - When will they raise the level of the investigation to a "Murder"?
3) - If the victim had been a Senator's daughter from D.C. it would have been automatically refered to by police as a "murder" to begin with-
Pardon me for asking but I am new here and have a keen interest in this case-
Thank You - WS & all

I dont get your point? all murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders. For example, the mechanism of death, and what you find on death certs and med examiners reports on the cause of death of executed criminals is "homicide."

homicide refers to the causal force. Murder is a generic term. if it is an illegal homicide (and not all are, for example executed criminals and our own servicemen and those of our enemies legal deaths in battle are homicides) then it is a murder investigation.

but you are making a tempest in a teapot and really something that has no distinction. Police, reporters, an people here use the terms interchangeably -- don't attribute a political meaning.

I don't think the language used would be any different if it was a "Senator's daughter."

Did the police use the term manslaughter as you imply? I don't see it. So why say they did?

As far as the "evidence screaming" murder, if by that you mean first degree murder vs second degree or third degree (usually what one means by manslaughter -- the "evidence screams" no such thing.

That evidence will depend on many unknowns at this point., First degree murder demands some planning. Even of the suspect asked the victim to meet him that is not what is meant by planning. he had to be planning to kill her. We have no idea if he was lovestruck, asked her not to marry the other guy and then cracked. that isn't first degree murder. Even third degree murder (manslaugher) is also a possible for all we know.

[STEADFAST]

there is a picture of him in the article posted above: http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html#

Thank you! Wish they would have edited the innocent pup out of the pic.

[Recovering-Lurker]

Very interesting: http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/suspect_in_anni.php

Info on suspect's fiancee... who apparently has a blog, with some entries still public.

:eek: How sad.

“He has a big heart and tries to see the best in people ALL THE TIME! even when everyone else is telling him that the person is a psycho or that the person can’t be trusted. he thinks everyone deserves a second chance.”

[Labrat]

I had to hurry & logon. I was watching HLN and the reporter said that Annie was hardly ever in the Amistad Building, she only went there when she had work involving animals (mice). This reporter said she was informed that Annie did most of her research at Sterling. This is completely opposite, absolutely opposite, what was reported earlier...and on various occasions, by someone that knew Annie. What would be the reason for discrepancy? I can't help but wonder if the reporter is incorrect in her reporting? Annie's work involved mice, therefore she would need to be in the Amistad building. Man, I'm really confused.

I'd go with the friend. The reporters do not understand how research works and they're making a mess of it. The reporter is correct- she would only go there to work with her animals, but the reporter can't know how often or how long. The reporter was probably informed that Annie's "lab" was in Sterling and she's filling in on her own with what she thinks she knows. Unfortunately this will be picked up by the rest of them and will be established fact in one hour from now.

Have I mentioned I really, really dislike the media?

[rdm64]

So a person is forced to ask ...the "WHY" question , why did he do it?
Motive....? This is where my interest is focused- not in announcing that a chopped up body in a wall is a homicide... all too obvious and a waste of tax payers money -
The Perp is now on the "run" so to spaek, knowing the clock is ticking -What was the motivation..? Passion , unrequitted love ? racial rage ? These are key questions to unravel the crime-

the body isn't choppped up. people made that assumption because of it being in a wall and knowing nothing about scientific facilites. in these type of facilities there are huge access panels and access areas for wiring, cabling cooling ductwork and even as lines that you could put three or four intact bodies "in a wall."

[SuziQ]

Ironic his fiance talks about how naive he is about people. People were probably naive about him.

[Emma Peel]

At work - don't have time to catch up on all your work here today.

I just want to throw out there that Wesleyan University is in Middletown Connecticut and that 5 years of living there is is close to the time one might be in Middleton to get an undergraduate degree.

Middleton is also very close geographically to New Haven.

Gotta run.

Have Fun trying to beat the press!

[Chili Fries]

Here is the myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=196915495

[SuziQ]

Unless we find out the fiance is involved....she should be considered an innocent party in this IMO.

[Texas Mist]

I'd go with the friend. The reporters do not understand how research works and they're making a mess of it. The reporter is correct- she would only go there to work with her animals, but the reporter can't know how often or how long. The reporter was probably informed that Annie's "lab" was in Sterling and she's filling in on her own with what she thinks she knows. Unfortunately this will be picked up by the rest of them and will be established fact in one hour from now.

Have I mentioned I really, really dislike the media?



"I’ve never seen a bunch of people so out of control in my life,” he said, his head shaking."

NBC Producer Trampled At Annie Le “Briefing”

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/nbc_producer_tr.php#017048more

[MissJames]

Ironic his fiance talks about how naive he is about people. People were probably naive about him.

Remembering Toi's description of her ex.This is so similar. Again,just chilling.
Thank you again,Toi,for sharing that.
Can't repeat the Astro thread stuff here,but after reading this fiance's description I encourage everyone to read Tuba's description of the likely perp.

[SondraK]

Here is his picture:



http://www.wfsb.com/image/20929905/detail.html

NICE DOG !!! Maybe He can find RC:crazy:

[Velouria]

Lab tech 'suspect in bride-to-be killing'
<snipped>
An infatuated laboratory technician has reportedly emerged as the chief suspect in the US slaying of a doctoral student at an Ivy League university.

The Yale technician conducted animal testing at the building where Annie Le's body was found stuffed into a wall duct on Sunday, the New Haven Register reports.

The technician also failed a FBI lie detector test before refusing to answer further police questions, the report said.

The man was said to have an "unrequited love interest" in the 24-year-old bride-to-be, who was to be married to her long-time sweetheart at the weekend.

Those people were being closely monitored as the investigation continued, he said.

Police have said that no students are being considered suspects.

Article:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/863632/lab-tech-suspect-in-bride-to-be-killing

:angel:

sleuthymama, Toi - looks like we were on the right track with this one...

May Annie RIP :rose:

[puffster]

I had to hurry & logon. I was watching HLN and the reporter said that Annie was hardly ever in the Amistad Building, she only went there when she had work involving animals (mice). This reporter said she was informed that Annie did most of her research at Sterling. This is completely opposite, absolutely opposite, what was reported earlier...and on various occasions, by someone that knew Annie. What would be the reason for discrepancy? I can't help but wonder if the reporter is incorrect in her reporting? Annie's work involved mice, therefore she would need to be in the Amistad building. Man, I'm really confused.

This goes with my first post today.

[Indianagirl]

That poor girl- another life devastated. She probably had no idea at all.

Yep, just like the fiance of the boston craigslist killer. How very sad.

[MissJames]

Unless we find out the fiance is involved....she should be considered an innocent party in this IMO.

Right now I consider her another victim in this tragedy.

[Jersey*Girl]

I'd go with the friend. The reporters do not understand how research works and they're making a mess of it. The reporter is correct- she would only go there to work with her animals, but the reporter can't know how often or how long. The reporter was probably informed that Annie's "lab" was in Sterling and she's filling in on her own with what she thinks she knows. Unfortunately this will be picked up by the rest of them and will be established fact in one hour from now.

Have I mentioned I really, really dislike the media?

Labrat, you should be proud of me. If this is the guy, he's been my guy since yesterday! I stuck to my guns and I was right...and so were you...the police were using the title Lab Tech loosely, hense the confusing discussion...but this is the exact same guy I was talking about! Although right now, I think it's only CBS running the story, so I'm reluctant a tiny bit, but I swear I think it's him. I think he's the suspect! and if he's really guilty...then I was right all along...I'm patting myself on my back...

Please laugh...just a tiny snicker:)

[waltzingmatilda]

Unless we find out the fiance is involved....she should be considered an innocent party in this IMO.

You're right SuziQ! ...thinking of our own sleuth Toi, who shared her personal harrowing story about her ex and also thinking of the fiance of the Craigslist killer, and thinking about my own experience. It's is unfair to make assumptions about someone's involvement when their only guilt would be falling victim to falling for someone who's a sneaky deceptive criminal minded narcissist.

I don't think any of our sleuths actually posted the pic for reasons other than to share images of the POI but we shoud be careful. thanks for the reminder.

sm

[Paladen]

still in any event (not to be distracted by details) it all goes to evidence of perp's attempt to hide his deed ( Oh we don't know if it is a "he") - again focus on the mind of the perp- his present state ? got to be sweating right now- liable to make many mistakes , allowing Authorities to sieze the day ...
the more info announced by the media the more he will sweat - if the police are not already watching him 24/7 waiting for the word to make an arrest-

[SuziQ]

Remembering Toi's description of her ex.This is so similar. Again,just chilling.
Thank you again,Toi,for sharing that.
Can't repeat the Astro thread stuff here,but after reading this fiance's description I encourage everyone to read Tuba's description of the likely perp.

I remember what Tuba said. It does fit. :eek:

[Labrat]

"I’ve never seen a bunch of people so out of control in my life,” he said, his head shaking."

NBC Producer Trampled At Annie Le “Briefing”

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/nbc_producer_tr.php#017048more

God forgive me since the poor woman was hurt, but that made me laugh. You would think the jackals would at least get the stories right if they're going to trample people to get them.

I used to be a big fan of Nancy Grace, Greta, etc. but it got to the point where I just couldn't watch anymore. The churning and churning of inaccurate information on all the different cases night after night had me so agitated! My God! Do none of them fact check?

[Coolmomof4]

So their offices were in the same building, according to the yale directory.

[Jersey*Girl]

Is his father the Raymond C. that's a professor? I have absolutely no idea at this point, but does anyone have info on his parents? If so, it may explain an inferiority he could have hidden within himself...maybe not as smart, therefore not worthy of Annie...jealous b/c he really wanted her but didn't have the guts to advance...finally did but she turned him down & he snapped? Maybe? If his father is a professor, he's an incredibly smart man...Biology? If not, no biggie...

[Toi]

Just based on my own personal experiences with my ex I can not fathom what this woman is going thru. Not that it makes it any better but I'm glad that she didn't have children with this man. She will and probably does feel responsible for not seeing or stopping this from happening. I know I did. I felt like the worlds biggest idiot and my ex didn't kill anyone. My heart goes out to her.

[CharlotteH]

Is his father the Raymond Clark that's a professor? I have absolutely no idea at this point, but does anyone have info on his parents? If so, it may explain an inferiority he could have hidden within himself...maybe not as smart, therefore not worthy of Annie...jealous b/c he really wanted her but didn't have the guts to advance...finally did but she turned him down & he snapped? Maybe? If his father is a professor, he's an incredibly smart man...Biology? If not, no biggie...

That seems possible, since he was the third with his name (III).

Having trouble finding much about him, except that he was on the honor roll and played baseball in high school. Source being a few articles on ctcentral.com (http://www.ctcentral.com/). Might be more there.

[scandi]

the body isn't choppped up. people made that assumption because of it being in a wall and knowing nothing about scientific facilites. in these type of facilities there are huge access panels and access areas for wiring, cabling cooling ductwork and even as lines that you could put three or four intact bodies "in a wall."

Hi, I don't have a link and believe I read this in a comment by a poster whose NIK suggests he has worked in that bldg doing maintainence. That poster said LE had searched all the regular openings for these chases and found nothing. They suggested the body was dropped from a floor above into a chase that was accessed thru a dropped ceiling that was adjacent to that chase.

That is my interpretation of what he said so it might be a bit off. Then another poster gave a reason as to why they didn't spot the body right away because of the approach they used in getting to the chase. I didn't understand what he meant as it was way over my head and almost brought the post over. That is a no no I think, bringing a comment over as you can't get permission from that poster. If I can I will go find those posts.

[Jersey*Girl]

I'd go with the friend. The reporters do not understand how research works and they're making a mess of it. The reporter is correct- she would only go there to work with her animals, but the reporter can't know how often or how long. The reporter was probably informed that Annie's "lab" was in Sterling and she's filling in on her own with what she thinks she knows. Unfortunately this will be picked up by the rest of them and will be established fact in one hour from now.

Have I mentioned I really, really dislike the media?

Bold by me...I miss watching the news with my Nanny when news was just that - NEWS. Now it's just shock-value reporting. I do hold CBS in high regard, though. I used to always trust CNN until Nancy Grace started taking over nighttime television news as if it were a nighttime soap opera...sorry all you Nancy fans. I do appreciate she covers missing childrens cases, but seriously, no reason to belittle your guests...it's all for ratings.

[jcamille]

That poor girl- another life devastated. She probably had no idea at all.

But isn't it interesting that her or their last login is listed as today and the mood is listed as "busy."

I might have listed my mood as something different if I were in that situation -scared, chaotic, crazy, conflicted, exhausted, stressed.

[scandi]

God forgive me since the poor woman was hurt, but that made me laugh. You would think the jackals would at least get the stories right if they're going to trample people to get them.

I used to be a big fan of Nancy Grace, Greta, etc. but it got to the point where I just couldn't watch anymore. The churning and churning of inaccurate information on all the different cases night after night had me so agitated! My God! Do none of them fact check?


Hi Labrat, Plus, their info is usually a day late!

[Coolmomof4]

I still wonder if the police know WHERE he is... and if they don't, I wonder if he will be found dead.

[Coolmomof4]

But isn't it interesting that her or their last login is listed as today and the mood is listed as "busy."

I might have listed my mood as something different if I were in that situation -scared, chaotic, crazy, conflicted, exhausted, stressed.

On Myspace, you don't have to update your mood whenever you log in. It could have said busy for the last month. I rarely check my page any more, and it still has the same "mood" that I typed in a year ago! She may have logged on just to set it to private, then didn't think to change the Mood.

[Jersey*Girl]

But isn't it interesting that her or their last login is listed as today and the mood is listed as "busy."

I might have listed my mood as something different if I were in that situation -scared, chaotic, crazy, conflicted, exhausted, stressed.

She may have logged on this morning but not have changed her mood from a previous date...if it was even her that logged on.

[Recovering-Lurker]

A source close to Clark’s family confirmed to The Post that he was the person who failed a polygraph test administered by authorities and that he also was the one with scratches on his chest — two key points that law-enforcement sources have made about one person they are looking at.

"He did not pass the polygraph test. ... But of course, they don’t always run true anway, especially when you’re nerved up asking so many questions," the source said.

The source added that, "Of course, he had scratches on his arm — from his cat."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/lab_technician_eyed_in_slaying_IpfKv663TTNxJxoTRWl BaJ

[sniperacer]

Per you lady sleuthers suggestion, I watched Nancy Grace.

This lady is "way over the top". My first thought is she is trying for an Oscar academy award for drama. She was so hung up on Ms Le's wedding, I thought she was going to enact it.

Has she always been this way?

[Recovering-Lurker]

More from article I posted above. Hmmm...

The source said Clark, who the family calls "Ray Ray," had been working at the university building that morning along with his sister and her husband, who also are lab technicians. Clark’s girlfriend is a lab techie as well.

"But [Le] left the area before he left that morning," the source said.

"He’d seen her and said hi and kept on going. ... He really didn’t know her."

The family "is very upset," the family source added.

"I know he didn’t do it, but I can’t understand how anybody would do that in the first place and put her in the wall like that. And they would have had to do it at night because certainly nobody could have done it during the day when everybody was looking."

The source added that Clark was engaged.

"They are saving to get married," the person said.

[KivaSupporter]

The manager of the apartment complex told Eyewitness News that no one has seen RC since Thursday.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/20929480/detail.html#

[Labrat]

Labrat, you should be proud of me. If this is the guy, he's been my guy since yesterday! I stuck to my guns and I was right...and so were you...the police were using the title Lab Tech loosely, hense the confusing discussion...but this is the exact same guy I was talking about! Although right now, I think it's only CBS running the story, so I'm reluctant a tiny bit, but I swear I think it's him. I think he's the suspect! and if he's really guilty...then I was right all along...I'm patting myself on my back...

Please laugh...just a tiny snicker:)

I am proud of you! I never got as far as an actual name, just the position the person would be likely to hold. How did you figure it out?

[puffster]

I still wonder if the police know WHERE he is... and if they don't, I wonder if he will be found dead.

Either that or he's traveling unreasonably fast.

[Jersey*Girl]

God forgive me since the poor woman was hurt, but that made me laugh. You would think the jackals would at least get the stories right if they're going to trample people to get them.

I used to be a big fan of Nancy Grace, Greta, etc. but it got to the point where I just couldn't watch anymore. The churning and churning of inaccurate information on all the different cases night after night had me so agitated! My God! Do none of them fact check?

Funny you should say this b/c the reporter I was talking about a few minutes ago (on HLN) is actually a producer on Nancy Grace...at least that's what was said.

[ges79]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/lab_technician_eyed_in_slaying_IpfKv663TTNxJxoTRWl BaJ

Anyone else see dark, creepy and lifeless eyes in that pic?:eek:

[belimom]

I was expecting someone with a heavier build. He doesn't seem strong enough to drag someone up to the ceiling and get them over the wall. Maybe it's just hard to tell from the pic but that's JMHO.

[sniperacer]

Unless we find out the fiance is involved....she should be considered an innocent party in this IMO.

Does this mean I can't make a MySpace friend request? J/K

[Paladen]

For most people - the term homicide simply means one person caused the death of another - If I drive my car over you while you are on your bike & I do it accidentally - that is homicide- for the police to make a press announcement that they are regarding the case as a homicide - simply means that a person caused the life of Annie to end- MY POINT IS- if it had been a Boston Senator's grand daughter... The police would have automaticallyannounced to the media that they were treating the case as a MURDER... to wit- The intentional criminal act of causing death with malice of forethought- (my point) is - all the evidence makes it a murder case - i realize it is "interchangeable" - and not political - but the politically correct thing to say at an Ivy league School is to down-play the whole thing to keep everyone -especially the Yale Blue Bloods - in a proper and socially acceptable mellow mood- while average blue collar America is watching and understand the poor young woman was down right violently murdered and stuffed in a wall - like so much trash- I have sorrow for Annie - and want justice - That is my point. To stand up there and say they are regarding the case as a homicide - does not send a strong message out to the rest of the world that the N.H. police are making every attempt to collar a Murderer!
My opinion is that should have been their loud & clear statement to the media- instead they "handled' the situation with tact & grace & PPP.

[Recovering-Lurker]

I was expecting someone with a heavier build. He doesn't seem strong enough to drag someone up to the ceiling and get them over the wall. Maybe it's just hard to tell from the pic but that's JMHO.

Ya, but Annie was tiny.

[Labrat]

Per you lady sleuthers suggestion, I watched Nancy Grace.

This lady is "way over the top". My first thought is she is trying for an Oscar academy award for drama. She was so hung up on Ms Le's wedding, I thought she was going to enact it.

Has she always been this way?

No. She was always a little "intense" but I can't watch her at all any more. She's become a caricature of herself now.

The drama started to bother me and the harping on nonsense stated as facts drove me absolutely batty, but the last straw for me, and I had previously been a huge fan, was when she interviewed Elizabeth Smart and tried to get salacious details of her ordeal, claiming it would "help" other girls. Elizabeth smacked her down with such grace and dignity! I have not watched Nancy since.

[STEADFAST]

Anyone else see dark, creepy and lifeless eyes in that pic?:eek:

OMG! That picture is way creepier than the one with the dog in it. The eyes look almost as if they'd been photoshopped to look like children of the corn eyes.

[reeseeva]

His girlfriend is a Lab Tech also.......:eek:

[Paladen]

Yes - sort of empty- also I notice a conspicuous "cross" necklace positioned to indicate the dude "feels" he is displaying the nice guy stuff- If I had any working knowledge of "esp" I would want to know when the photo was taken? -

[waltzingmatilda]

Per you lady sleuthers suggestion, I watched Nancy Grace.

This lady is "way over the top". My first thought is she is trying for an Oscar academy award for drama. She was so hung up on Ms Le's wedding, I thought she was going to enact it.

Has she always been this way?


Yep...sensational journalism at it's best! No offense NG fans as I am guilty of watching once in a while. Geraldo is much more sensationalist tho, IMO.

[Labrat]

I was expecting someone with a heavier build. He doesn't seem strong enough to drag someone up to the ceiling and get them over the wall. Maybe it's just hard to tell from the pic but that's JMHO.

I think it was through a floor level access panel. It was the clothing that was above the ceiling tiles.

[TravelingBug]

http://www.wfsb.com/

Can't find anything on the site.

"RC"

That name - and address that matches - is also being posted in the comments here. As well as photo links in several other places.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/15/news/new_haven/doc4aafeb5576ac8864342757.txt

[Recovering-Lurker]

His girlfriend is a Lab Tech also.......:eek:

And his sister and her husband, who were also supposedly working that morning.

[Toi]

I was expecting someone with a heavier build. He doesn't seem strong enough to drag someone up to the ceiling and get them over the wall. Maybe it's just hard to tell from the pic but that's JMHO.


she was only 90 lbs. in a fit of rage she would have weighed as much as a piece of paper.

[Jersey*Girl]

I am proud of you! I never got as far as an actual name, just the position the person would be likely to hold. How did you figure it out?

It was actually just a guess...but I started with MySpace. I got fed up with Google cache and started with Bing b/c malware was off the hook. I really didn't even know...was just trying to figure out who worked with animals in the same area Annie would be doing her experiments. Each animal research tech handles certain animals. I've found that Rodent Services were handled there and housed there, among other animals. Had to figure out just some of the people that worked for certain supervisors. Still wasn't sure, just thought. Don't forget, this person may still be innocent. He hasn't officially been charged yet. Let's wait and see b/c I may be wrong.

[Recovering-Lurker]

It was actually just a guess...but I started with MySpace. I got fed up with Google cache and started with Bing b/c malware was off the hook. I really didn't even know...was just trying to figure out who worked with animals in the same area Annie would be doing her experiments. Each animal research tech handles certain animals. I've found that Rodent Services were handled there and housed there, among other animals. Had to figure out just some of the people that worked for certain supervisors. Still wasn't sure, just thought. Don't forget, this person may still be innocent. He hasn't officially been charged yet. Let's wait and see b/c I may be wrong.

Jersey, are you saying you sleuthed this guy prior to the media releasing his name?

[nephers]

http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/15/suspect-his-two-relatives-and-fiance-stay-home-wor/

Looks like the whole family stayed home from work today

[nursebeeme]

way to go Jgirl!

[STEADFAST]

It was actually just a guess...but I started with MySpace. I got fed up with Google cache and started with Bing b/c malware was off the hook. I really didn't even know...was just trying to figure out who worked with animals in the same area Annie would be doing her experiments. Each animal research tech handles certain animals. I've found that Rodent Services were handled there and housed there, among other animals. Had to figure out just some of the people that worked for certain supervisors. Still wasn't sure, just thought. Don't forget, this person may still be innocent. He hasn't officially been charged yet. Let's wait and see b/c I may be wrong.

I remember you focusing on rodent services. I know you had something you were holding back. Was it RC?

[Jersey*Girl]

Jersey, are you saying you sleuthed this guy prior to the media releasing his name?

friggin hell yeah. i'll delete if anyone is offended. something to keep in mind, he wasn't the only guy, though...just one of my main ones. doesn't mean i'm right though...let's just wait and see...

editing to add: i believed it was somebody that worked in the amistad building on a daily basis, somebody that most likely worked with animals. at that point, i thought a lab tech shared duties with an animal research tech, but i was confusing them. i do think some of their duties overlap. i do think if this is the perp, that he did some of the things that may not really have been expected of him in his duties. it was throwing us all off b/c i kept being up animal or rodent services. we kept trying to get to the bottom of exactly what a lab tech does, etc. i'm still confuzzled, he may not be the person, then again if he is, i must have done something right ... if i'm wrong, then i'm wrong, but at least i tried.

[Labrat]

Either that or he's traveling unreasonably fast.

OMG. Coffee everywhere! LOL.

[nursebeeme]

A source close to Clark’s family confirmed to The Post that he was the person who failed a polygraph test administered by authorities and that he also was the one with scratches on his chest — two key points that law-enforcement sources have made about one person they are looking at.
"He did not pass the polygraph test. ... But of course, they don’t always run true anway, especially when you’re nerved up asking so many questions," the source said.
The source added that, "Of course, he had scratches on his arm — from his cat."
The source said Clark, who the family calls "Ray Ray," had been working at the university building that morning along with his sister and her husband, who also are lab technicians. Clark’s girlfriend is a lab techie as well.
"But [Le] left the area before he left that morning," the source said.
"He’d seen her and said hi and kept on going. ... He really didn’t know her."
The family "is very upset," the family source added.
"I know he didn’t do it, but I can’t understand how anybody would do that in the first place and put her in the wall like that. And they would have had to do it at night because certainly nobody could have done it during the day when everybody was looking."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/lab_technician_eyed_in_slaying_IpfKv663TTNxJxoTRWl BaJ

[waltzingmatilda]

JerseyGirl, I remember your posts regarding this but you couldn't post the link or how to google but you were giving good clues on how to sleuth it ourselves.

You Rock! Great sleuthing my dear!:blowkiss:

wm

[Paladen]

So what was the motive? Jealousy ? he a lowly average run of the mill tech & he has to contend with a smiling happy carefree little yale Grad student with brains? He may have had enough of the stuff? He may have simply put a stop to being "bossed" around by a brilliant small woman ...Or? ? This chick is going to be leaving here & I will still be working cleaning rat cages ...I just can't take this any more - ? what was the motive?
Did she happen to mention to him she was going to be married soon? Can anyone else make an attempt to get inside the dude's head???

[STEADFAST]

http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/15/suspect-his-two-relatives-and-fiance-stay-home-wor/

Looks like the whole family stayed home from work today

Does that mean he was at work yesterday? That he was at work since last Tuesday?? Horrifying for the people who work there.

Since he wasn't named until late this afternoon, looks like his family was already well aware that he was being considered for the crime. I wonder if his fiancee noticed some time early last week the injuries he'd received. I wonder what her reaction was? Do you suppose she suspected him?

[scandi]

still in any event (not to be distracted by details) it all goes to evidence of perp's attempt to hide his deed ( Oh we don't know if it is a "he") - again focus on the mind of the perp- his present state ? got to be sweating right now- liable to make many mistakes , allowing Authorities to sieze the day ...
the more info announced by the media the more he will sweat - if the police are not already watching him 24/7 waiting for the word to make an arrest-

Or if he is on the run now and can't be found it makes perfect sense as to the COD announcement being cxld today. Hearing this info on the news might freak him out to do something drastic if he is emotionally unstable. And even if their ducks are all in a row, they can't arrest him if they don't know where he is!

My heart also goes out to this man's fiance and hope she has a caring circle of family and friends. xox

[Labrat]

It was actually just a guess...but I started with MySpace. I got fed up with Google cache and started with Bing b/c malware was off the hook. I really didn't even know...was just trying to figure out who worked with animals in the same area Annie would be doing her experiments. Each animal research tech handles certain animals. I've found that Rodent Services were handled there and housed there, among other animals. Had to figure out just some of the people that worked for certain supervisors. Still wasn't sure, just thought. Don't forget, this person may still be innocent. He hasn't officially been charged yet. Let's wait and see b/c I may be wrong.

I am most impressed with your searching skills! I can do a google search and that's about it. I wouldn't even know where to begin with MySpace.

[Coolmomof4]

So apparently from the Yale directory phone book site, the suspect AND his fiance both have offices in the same building as Annie Le AND work in the SAME animal lab at Amistad. I have a hard time believing he didn't "really know" Annie.

I wonder where his sister and her husband work?

[debirlfan]

Are we SURE this is an 'unrequited love' scenario? Assuming this actually is the perp, it seems odd with the gf and family members also working there. To me, a 'caught doing something wrong and was going to get ratted out' scenario would make more sense.

[Gene]

He and his girlfriend are both animal techs working for the Animal Resources Ctr in the same office, same office phone numbers. I wonder if she knew Annie too?

[Cypros]

No. She was always a little "intense" but I can't watch her at all any more. She's become a caricature of herself now.

The drama started to bother me and the harping on nonsense stated as facts drove me absolutely batty, but the last straw for me, and I had previously been a huge fan, was when she interviewed Elizabeth Smart and tried to get salacious details of her ordeal, claiming it would "help" other girls. Elizabeth smacked her down with such grace and dignity! I have not watched Nancy since.

That is exactly when I stopped watching her. I wish they would find a talking head that is not a drama queen to cover missing persons cases.

[Jersey*Girl]

I remember you focusing on rodent services. I know you had something you were holding back. Was it RC?

but i could be wrong...i still could be wrong just like the media could be wrong in releasing this guys name right away before the police do publicly. i just didn't think it was somebody married b/c i kept thinking of tuba's post on another thread and didn't think the guy was married for some reason. just went through a bunch of caches and some old docs. had to be somebody on her floor or the floor above is what i thought. can't pull all names, even though you'd think we should be able to do so. had a handful of names & just went with one.

still, i could be wrong...probably am wrong...then my bubble will burst and i'll be back to square one. let's just wait it out b/c as far as i'm concerned now, i could be wrong, and this kids future could be screwed all over circumstantial evidence. let's wait until the police announce it and then we'll run with it.

[Cypros]

They will be able to determine if the scratches were made from a cat or a human.

[nursebeeme]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - Annie Le, Yale Student Last Seen 9/08/09

link to post I put in astro thread (I pulled some stuff out from Tuba's chart). It is VERY INTERESTING. I linked it here only just to keep the astro discussion in the astro section.. but wanted everyone to check it out

[Jersey*Girl]

I have to logoff for a few...back to school night at school for my youngest. I seriously thought there were 2 perps, don't ask me how, just a thought. I still ponder the idea of 2 perps being involved, which may explain the delay in the charges...

This is pure speculation, please don't bash me...

[belimom]

I think it was through a floor level access panel. It was the clothing that was above the ceiling tiles.

Okay, thanks!

she was only 90 lbs. in a fit of rage she would have weighed as much as a piece of paper.

True. I know she was only 90 lbs, but 90 lbs of deadweight (sorry, no pun intended... :() would be hard to lift like that. But in a fit of rage, adrenaline really pumps and lifting her would've been much easier.

I am most impressed with your searching skills! I can do a google search and that's about it. I wouldn't even know where to begin with MySpace.

Ditto! WTG, Jersey*Girl!

[Labrat]

Are we SURE this is an 'unrequited love' scenario? Assuming this actually is the perp, it seems odd with the gf and family members also working there. To me, a 'caught doing something wrong and was going to get ratted out' scenario would make more sense.

It makes it more likely- he did or said something Annie found inappropriate, since they're reporting a struggle. If she starts screaming, who's going to come running to see what's going on but his fiance?!

[waltzingmatilda]

So what was the motive? Jealousy ? he a lowly average run of the mill tech & he has to contend with a smiling happy carefree little yale Grad student with brains? He may have had enough of the stuff? He may have simply put a stop to being "bossed" around by a brilliant small woman ...Or? ? This chick is going to be leaving here & I will still be working cleaning rat cages ...I just can't take this any more - ? what was the motive?
Did she happen to mention to him she was going to be married soon? Can anyone else make an attempt to get inside the dude's head???

I've wondered the same, Paladen. I've thought, "What could this guy be thinking? He is not unattractive physically, (except for the creepy, deer in the headlights eyes in the one pic) he has a beautiful fiance, he has a job at a pretigious Ivy League University which is a support position in an Animal Lab that conducts scientific testing. What drove him to murder Annie? (If he is indeed th e murderer, that is. I try to wait for all the facts before passing judgement, LOL)

What made this guy tick? Geesh my son is the same age as this guy.....just gives me that 'punched in the stomach feeling'
.

[sniperacer]

I don't get it. This guy is engaged, worked along side with relatives the time in question. I don't see any premeditated motive? Money? Sex? Loneliness? Jealousy? He seems to have all that covered? No abuse history?

What bad, bad thing could have happened he had to hide?

I don't believe an accident would result in blood or defensive wounds (the cod will help with this)?

Something smells. JMO

[STEADFAST]

I've wondered the same, Paladen. I've thought, "What could this guy be thinking? He is not unattractive physically, (except for the creepy, deer in the headlights eyes in the one pic) he has a beautiful fiance, he has a job at a pretigious Ivy League University which is a support position in an Animal Lab that conducts scientific testing. What drove him to murder Annie? (If he is indeed th e murderer, that is. I try to wait for all the facts before passing judgement, LOL)

What made this guy tick? Geesh my son is the same age as this guy.....just gives me that 'punched in the stomach feeling'
.

Just putting this out there, but you know those cases where a girl gets jealous about another girl and expects her boyfriend to hurt or kill the other girl to prove his love? Just thinkin' and trying to work in the rumor (?) we heard that the perp had lured Annie to Amistad and that the covering up of the crime had to be done quickly, which having more than one person involved would facilitate.

[Labrat]

I've wondered the same, Paladen. I've thought, "What could this guy be thinking? He is not unattractive physically, (except for the creepy, deer in the headlights eyes in the one pic) he has a beautiful fiance, he has a job at a pretigious Ivy League University which is a support position in an Animal Lab that conducts scientific testing. What drove him to murder Annie? (If he is indeed th e murderer, that is. I try to wait for all the facts before passing judgement, LOL)

What made this guy tick? Geesh my son is the same age as this guy.....just gives me that 'punched in the stomach feeling'
.

It's not what's on the outside that matters, but what's on the inside. Ted Bundy was reasonably attractive and a law student- why did he kill? Look at Karla Homolka and her husband- they had everything- to look at them from the outside. Some people just lack something internally.

[Emma Peel]

His whole family works in the Yale Lab and his girlfriend and have offices there?

Is that correct information?

Perhaps Annie filed a formal complaint. (harrassment or, just work-related) And POI felt everyone's jobs were threatened (him and his family's?). That would be a source of stress...

In my area, 5 were murdered last winter because 2 of the victims had filed sexual harrassment complaints against the murderer at his place of work (hospital) and he'd been fired. The other 3 victims, they just happened to be unfortunate enough to be with the intended victims at the time the murderer accosted them. Oh, and he drove to two different locations, 30 miles apart, on the same day, to get the deeds done.

You never know what will push someone over the edge. I doesn't have to be love.

[eyes4crime]

I don't get it. This guy is engaged, worked along side with relatives the time in question. I don't see any premeditated motive? Money? Sex? Loneliness? Jealousy? He seems to have all that covered? No abuse history?

What bad, bad thing could have happened he had to hide?

I don't believe an accident would result in blood or defensive wounds (the cod will help with this)?

Something smells. JMO

Add to your profile, if guilty - this psychopath works with animals displaying caretaking behavior. His fiance describes him as kind, loves animals...this is not what one typically hears when a psychopath is described. He is NOT typical, that's for sure. Most psychopaths, if they have animals, use them to groom or seduce victims. This is very different. mho

[Gene]

Lots of pets in the family. He had a dog and a cat and the girlfriend had a horse.
I guess this is consistant with them being animal techs.

[sniperacer]

Just putting this out there, but you know those cases where a girl gets jealous about another girl and expects her boyfriend to hurt or kill the other girl to prove his love? Just thinkin' and trying to work in the rumor (?) we heard that the perp had lured Annie to Amistad and that the covering up of the crime had to be done quickly, which having more than one person involved would facilitate.


Ha! I'm not the only evil person thinking they both did it.

[puffster]

The whole fam working in the lab is kinda weird.

[Shutterfly]

Hey, could the girl in the video holding the door open be RC's girlfriend?!?

[eyes4crime]

Lots of pets in the family. He had a dog and a cat and the girlfriend had a horse.
I guess this is consistant with them being animal techs.

I don't think so...It's not at all consistent with a male psychopath. women on the other hand, often have pets or animals consuming their time.

[Emma Peel]

The whole fam working in the lab is kinda weird.

Yup, I agree. Maybe not so weird, for instance, if someone in the family owns the business?

Either way, I think it's important. Added stressors. Also added twists & turns.


Jersey, have you established if these are Yale employees or Contractors? Can we look at the family or the business ownership?

[passionflower]

I am shocked I never had this person in thought, I certainly thought it was the person we sleuthed last night.
And LE and YALE let this guy go and now they can't find him?
I can't believe it! Well, yes I can........
so the public IS NOT safe! and he wasn't being questioned at length all this time?
No one has seen him since Thurs? Fri? Sat? Sun? Mon? Tues?.......WTHeck..........

[waltzingmatilda]

Just putting this out there, but you know those cases where a girl gets jealous about another girl and expects her boyfriend to hurt or kill the other girl to prove his love? Just thinkin' and trying to work in the rumor (?) we heard that the perp had lured Annie to Amistad and that the covering up of the crime had to be done quickly, which having more than one person involved would facilitate.

I hadn't thought of this, Steadfast. I remember the rumor you speak of. Thanks for helping me remove my blinders.

Labrat, You are right. My ex was doing lots of things that I never suspected.
I was dealing with two different people housed in the same physical body but didn't know for years! The outward appearance is not a reflection of the innner being.

[scandi]

I bet the mood at the NH PD is rather tense this afternoon. I'd love to be a little fly in there scopng it out!

So this guy has not been seen since last Thurs as reports go. His fiance's words written on the 10th {Thurs} start out 'where are you'. Here we were led to believe he had been interviewed several times by LE and was not in custody but in contact with them thru his attny. Doesn't look like it IMO.

I would venture to say what happened is the tests did come back this afternoon on the samples from under her nails and when LE couldn't reach him and maybe learned all his family members were absent at work today, beat it out to his apt and are now on a manhunt to find the guy.

It explains in my mind why they cancelled the ME's COD announcement and had said there could be an imminent arrest today.

It will be so outrageous if we learn they did not have their eye on this guy since last Thurs!

[Emma Peel]

I am shocked I never had this person in thought, I certainly thought it was the person we sleuthed last night.
And LE and YALE let this guy go and now they can't find him?
I can't believe it! Well, yes I can........
so the public IS NOT safe! and he wasn't being questioned at length all this time?
No one has seen him since Thurs? Fri? Sat? Sun? Mon? Tues?.......WTHeck..........



Perhaps LE has information we're not privvy to, that has led them to be certain that this was a targeted murder, and others are not in danger...

Just wondering out loud, & moo...

[ges79]

The whole fam working in the lab is kinda weird.

In light of this fact, I think someone posted a link to a story a page or two back stating the whole family stayed home from work today.

[Gene]

If he is on the run, I wonder why they are not putting his name and photo out to the media so that everyone can be on the lookout??

I can understand the secrecy up until now. But if he he has vanished, why not announce him as a POI and ask leads?

[Columbo]

I thought homicide was the death of a person by another person. It is a very general term and not specific to intent.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another person with intent or malice of forethought. IMO. xox

Scandi--thanks! I stand corrected. apologies to Paladen.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

[scandi]

I am shocked I never had this person in thought, I certainly thought it was the person we sleuthed last night.
And LE and YALE let this guy go and now they can't find him?
I can't believe it! Well, yes I can........
so the public IS NOT safe! and he wasn't being questioned at length all this time?
No one has seen him since Thurs? Fri? Sat? Sun? Mon? Tues?.......WTHeck..........

Hi there, I just read your post and see we were having the same thought at the same time. NIX LOL xox

[anniee]

Hey, could the girl in the video holding the door open be RC's girlfriend?!?

Does anyone have a link to this video? Thanks.

[Labrat]

Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
Hey, Guys! There's a thread to discuss how much you don't like NG down in the private forums. I think it's there so the inevitable anti-NancyG posts don't clog up the crime forums.

Sorry. I'm lucky just to find the thread I want in this huge site. Sadly, I have not heard of 95% of the missing / crime folks you all discuss.

Oh dear. I've put my foot in it, haven't I? Sorry about that!

Thanks for the info- Now I know exactly the thread to avoid.:)

[scandi]

Scandi--thanks! I stand corrected. apologies to Paladen.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder


LOL I think I was here quite awhile before I actually knew the difference. xox

[ketel0ne]

One reason LE may be being so tight lipped is if they know he left the country.

[esqgerl]

Ok, right now, he's just a "person of interest." Call me crazy, but I just cannot believe a family member (especially one who works in the lab - IF it was one of them who said it) would say:

"And they would have had to do it at night because certainly nobody could have done it during the day when everybody was looking."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/lab_technician_eyed_in_slaying_IpfKv663TTNxJxoTRWl BaJ

That may be true indeed (but why would you say this?) - unless of course the fire alarm went off and no one was looking.

[nursebeeme]

If he is on the run, I wonder why they are not putting his name and photo out to the media so that everyone can be on the lookout??

I can understand the secrecy up until now. But if he he has vanished, why not announce him as a POI and ask leads?
adding my two cents on the "on the run" thang:

IMHO he is not on the run.

The Yale president said that "people" were being monitored (could his use of semantics include his sister, fiance', and brotherinlaw as well.. could any of them helped him cover the crime?)

Another media report said that people hidding their faces got into a black suv outside his sister's home (I would Hazard a guess this is where he is holed up)

[Labrat]

Yup, I agree. Maybe not so weird, for instance, if someone in the family owns the business?

Either way, I think it's important. Added stressors. Also added twists & turns.


Jersey, have you established if these are Yale employees or Contractors? Can we look at the family or the business ownership?

This is true in my facility also. We have parents and children, even. I have never understood it and don't know why they allow it. It causes all sorts of problems with the other techs in the group, too. Accusations of favoritism, etc.

This is not a family owned business. It is the Animal Care Department at Yale. They are all Yale employees.

[browneyes]

I don't know, I think LE knows where he is. Just because he didn't show up for work, doesn't mean they don't know where he is. Remember how LE kept Scott Peterson in their sights the whole time....thank goodness! I think the next announcement will be that he has been arrested.

[postdoc]

This is true in my facility also. We have parents and children, even. I have never understood it and don't know why they allow it. It causes all sorts of problems with the other techs in the group, too. Accusations of favoritism, etc.

This is not a family owned business. It is the Animal Care Department at Yale. They are all Yale employees.

Same is true here from what I have heard. I honestly think they have a hard time getting people for these positions, so often they will take whomever they can.

[eyes4crime]

This is true in my facility also. We have parents and children, even. I have never understood it and don't know why they allow it. It causes all sorts of problems with the other techs in the group, too. Accusations of favoritism, etc.

This is not a family owned business. It is the Animal Care Department at Yale. They are all Yale employees.

Yes, I agree. I used to do research with animals - I felt the family atmosphere was a bit incestuous. I went back to school and now do research with humans. I have more autonomy that way.

[kai]

Wasn't it just being refered to the POI as not being seen AT THE HOME since Thursday?

Maybe he is in a psych ward or somewhere where police know he is not a danger to others?

[Labrat]

Ok, right now, he's just a "person of interest." Call me crazy, but I just cannot believe a family member (especially one who works in the lab - IF it was one of them who said it) would say:

"And they would have had to do it at night because certainly nobody could have done it during the day when everybody was looking."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/lab_technician_eyed_in_slaying_IpfKv663TTNxJxoTRWl BaJ

That may be true indeed (but why would you say this?) - unless of course the fire alarm went off and no one was looking.

They are rationalizing because they can't accept it. Denial, bargaining...
I would fight tooth and nail NOT to have to think my brother did something like that. Wouldn't you? It takes a while to get to acceptance.

[passionflower]

IMO, just because LE thinks Clark only wanted to kill Annie, he could kill again now out of desperation.
Does he have a car? (Hijack one)
Money? (could rob)
Shelter? (hostage)
Suicide? (even by cop)
The public is not safe until he is in jail.
Actually he is not safe either if public finds him........vigilante
JMOO

[Emma Peel]

This is true in my facility also. We have parents and children, even. I have never understood it and don't know why they allow it. It causes all sorts of problems with the other techs in the group, too. Accusations of favoritism, etc.

This is not a family owned business. It is the Animal Care Department at Yale. They are all Yale employees.


Thanks Labrat, I didn't know we'd learned that tidbit. You've all been very busy & have done a nice job running down the facts you could!

That's a lot of family members for Yale to decide to hire in one department, none the less.

[Labrat]

Yes, I agree. I used to do research with animals - I felt the family atmosphere was a bit incestuous. I went back to school and now do research with humans. I have more autonomy that way.

Most interesting, Eyes. Thank you for that. I thought it was just where I work. I feel even stranger about it now. Don't most other work places actively discourage this sort of thing?

[esqgerl]

They are rationalizing because they can't accept it. Denial, bargaining...
I would fight tooth and nail NOT to have to think my brother did something like that. Wouldn't you? It takes a while to get to acceptance.

Actually, I would have stayed very, very silent and made sure no dumb quote like that would be printed in the media! lol

[waltzingmatilda]

A caller on JVM suggested that there may be a drug connection because of the drugs used in the animal lab. The caller claimed to have worked in a lab and had knowledge.

Hmmmmm, perhaps there is more than one suspect?

[passionflower]

Clark and finance' were SAVING to get married....(as a couple)......were they jealous of Annie and her lavious wedding plans?

[Emma Peel]

Most interesting, Eyes. Thank you for that. I thought it was just where I work. I feel even stranger about it now. Don't most other work places actively discourage this sort of thing?



exactly. good point & watch Yale policy change on that one.

[Labrat]

Same is true here from what I have heard. I honestly think they have a hard time getting people for these positions, so often they will take whomever they can.

yes, that's certainly a problem we have too. Not a real attractive job, low pay...

[STEADFAST]

A caller on JVM suggested that there may be a drug connection because of the drugs used in the animal lab. The caller claimed to have worked in a lab and had knowledge.

Hmmmmm, perhaps there is more than one suspect?

I wonder if the fire alarm plays into the idea that more than one person could have participated in at least the hiding-the-evidence part.

[2sls]

Hi everyone,
wasn't there supposed to be a statement from the family tonight at 7:00 pm eastern?
http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/15/representative-le-family-speak-tonight/
Or has it been cancelled?

[scandi]

If he is on the run, I wonder why they are not putting his name and photo out to the media so that everyone can be on the lookout??

I can understand the secrecy up until now. But if he he has vanished, why not announce him as a POI and ask leads?


Gene, Thanks for that comment. I think about now many of us are thinking the very same thing.

Thinking of the dynamics in New Haven I see one of the most prestigious universities in the world located in a city which doesn't seem to match. Lots of crime, not a pretty city and now a police force which is of the city and possibly being dogged by the ultra conservative reputation and power that Yale exerts.

It is easy to judge. And there is almost everything in the case IMO that the publilc is not privy to at this point.

It just has to be that thru his friends or family members they are hot on his trail.

[SuziQ]

Hey wasn't Annie's family supposed to make a statement at 7PM EST?

[nursebeeme]

http://www.myspace.com/140451154

someone else check this out.. is it him? Guy on left of picture...

[SuziQ]

Hi everyone,
wasn't there supposed to be a statement from the family tonight at 7:00 pm eastern?
http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/15/representative-le-family-speak-tonight/
Or has it been cancelled?

lol, this is like the third time today I've not refreshed and posted what someone right before me did. Sorry about that.

[SuziQ]

http://www.myspace.com/140451154

someone else check this out.. is it him? Guy on right of picture...

IMO, the guy on the left maybe.

[nursebeeme]

IMO, the guy on the left maybe.
lol! I just changed it... is this him? if so check out his COMMENT!!!!!!!:eek:

[SuziQ]

Ok, if that's his page, his remarks are extremely immature! More like what you'd expect from a 14 year old boy....or younger even. I keep thinking back on what Tuba said.