Daily News Conferences

[my2sisters]

http://www.kron.com/News/SpecialCoverage/TheGarridoInvestigationKRON4Coverage/tabid/519/Default.aspx

According to the news conference:

They found unidentified bones.
They will be razing the house.

[thefragile7393]

http://www.kron.com/News/SpecialCoverage/TheGarridoInvestigationKRON4Coverage/tabid/519/Default.aspx

According to the news conference:

They found unidentified bones.
They will be razing the house.
I guess I can safely assume human.........and I do hope they finish going over that house with a fine fine FINE tooth comb first!

[Californian]

http://www.kron.com/News/SpecialCoverage/TheGarridoInvestigationKRON4Coverage/tabid/519/Default.aspx

According to the news conference:

They found unidentified bones.
They will be razing the house.

I didn't hear Lt. Orrey say they will be razing the house, only that they will do so if necessary.

This reporter heard it the same way:
source: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/More-Bones-Found-on-Garrido-Property-59554652.html
Investigators say they would tear the entire house down if they felt it was needed. They said they would not leave the property without a complete search of the large piece of property.

[phylliyum]

I didn't hear Lt. Orrey say they will be razing the house, only that they will do so if necessary.

This reporter heard it the same way:
source: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/More-Bones-Found-on-Garrido-Property-59554652.html
Investigators say they would tear the entire house down if they felt it was needed. They said they would not leave the property without a complete search of the large piece of property.

at this point, i think that's the direction they are going. even if for some strange reason LE doesn't, I have no doubt that some organization will tear the house down in Jaycee's honor, like they did with the house Megan Kanka was murdered in.

[songline]

Why not put highly trained dogs on the property again?
WOW got my own answer by watching the feed above.
They will be using radar which will show if the earth blow had been disturbed
even if the grave site is old.
Wow I guess they are going through that house and lot.
They should also do so on the neighbors house.

Molinos car business should also have a highly trained dog hunt....

[MBK]

Did you guys watch any of the recent "raw feed" videos on that Kron.com website? There's one that shows one of the investigators (I'd guess you'd call him) throwing the contents of what looks like a rubbermaid or other plastic bin onto a big pile of trash. The contents seem to be papers. I wonder if he had already looked through it?!!! Seems like an odd way to be discarding items . . .

[i.b.nora]

I have watched most if not all of the raw feed videos at KRON. And, I did see the guy emptying the plastic bin, but didn't give it a whole lot of thought other than I hope they have a 'method'.

[songline]

http://www.kron.com/News/SpecialCoverage/TheGarridoInvestigationKRON4Coverage/tabid/519/Default.aspx

According to the news conference:

They found unidentified bones.
They will be razing the house.
Good thread, great raw streams... we can stay on top of the search
thanks my2sisters.

[MBK]

Why not put highly trained dogs on the property again?
WOW got my own answer by watching the feed above.
They will be using radar which will show if the earth blow had been disturbed
even if the grave site is old.
Wow I guess they are going through that house and lot.
They should also do so on the neighbors house.
....

It seems that they will use both high-tech equipment AND dogs.
KCBS Posted: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 6:16PM
More Bones Found at Garrido Residence

Investigators plan to continue their search on Thursday, continuing to remove debris in preparation for bringing in search dogs and high tech equipment to examine what might be underground.

http://www.kcbs.com/pages/5234179.php?contentType=4&contentId=4703405

[txsvicki]

I just keep thinking about the little four year old blonde girl who looked like all the other blonde girls as reported by the neighbor two years ago and also the report the neighbor gave to the media. It's not likely anyone allowed their little toddler over there so this little girl ( if media is correct) is somewhere dead or alive.

[MBK]

I know I'm a space cadet today, but I can't seem to find a link to the actual video of today's (Sept 16) press conference. Anybody? Thanks!!!

[Californian]

I have watched most if not all of the raw feed videos at KRON. And, I did see the guy emptying the plastic bin, but didn't give it a whole lot of thought other than I hope they have a 'method'.

Of all our Bay Area news channels, KRON gets a thumbs-up for the coverage they are giving this case, both televised and online.

Since there will be a daily 4:30 pm (PT) news conference as long as the investigation continues at the property, I've bookmarked their website at http://www.kron.com/ to visit it for ongoing coverage and raw feeds.

[Californian]

In addition to the KRON link above, here's a link to Sacramento's News10 page that (is supposed) to live stream today's 4:30 pm (PT) daily briefing:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181.

It will be interesting to learn if the cadaver dogs brought in this morning found anything today.

[i.b.nora]

Thanks for the reminder and the links!

[joga]

did they just say two cadaver dogs hit in the backyard? KRON sound was fuzzing in and out

[joga]

9am and 4pm conferences tomorrow

[Pink Panther]

did they just say two cadaver dogs hit in the backyard? KRON sound was fuzzing in and out
Anyone out there to shed some light on this???

[cleo612]

I missed the first part of the presser and only got to hear the last 2 question/answers and that there will be another presser at 9am tomorrow. Can anyone here please fill on in what was said prior?

[joga]

Anyone out there to shed some light on this???


i was just getting ready to update...they spoke more later in the conference and said that two cadaver dogs hit in Garrido's back yard. one was direct and quick in his hit and the other was a little more tentative....then dang co-workers came over to ask me questions and i missed the end of it!

[SWAG1959]

did they just say two cadaver dogs hit in the backyard? KRON sound was fuzzing in and out
YES they did. Two different cadavar dogs hit on the same spot. The first was a little hesitant but the second gave a more definitive hit. They are going to use the GPR tomorrow on the spot before they start digging.

Tomorrow will be different dogs that will hit on "older" bones. I thought this was significant. The dogs today hit which means it could be a fairly "new" burial. The dogs tomorrow will hit on older burials.

[Californian]

They said that one cadaver dog hit on something. Then they brought in another cadaver dog for a second opinion and it hit on the same area.

They will be bringing in a different speciality dog(s) tomorrow. Today's dogs are trained in decompositioning bodies; tomorrow's dog(s) are trained in finding older remains.

It also sounded like they will be removing a concrete slab to allow the dogs better access.

[SWAG1959]

They are going to break up concrete slabs tomorrow. Some were slabs that were under the shed they already dismantled. Some slabs were just "there". The dog handlers said the dogs wouldn't necessarily hit below concrete - so that is why they are going to take those slabs up.

They found writings (alot) of Garrido that they took. They also took some things that they thought might be of some value to Jaycee. Said they took out 10 truckloads of trash today. They are photo documenting everything they take out.

[Californian]

And I thought I heard Lt. Orrey say they were being careful to preserve all the items in case they were needed in other cases. Did I hear this correctly?

[cinsbythesea]

And I thought I heard Lt. Orrey say they were being careful to preserve all the items in case they were needed in other cases. Did I hear this correctly?

Yep I heard that too while I was in the sitting in the car on the freeway stuck in traffic listening to the press conference on KGO. You never know what or who all those items may be related to huh? A reporter asked about that - the response also was they were being very careful to photograph everything.

[Pink Panther]

I hope that everyone involved is now being photographed when they f*rt! So far, no one has done their job and now, hopefully, they realize that the world is watching!

MOO

[Californian]

Dogs Find Possible Clue On Garrido Property
Investigators Comb Antioch Yards
POSTED: 4:40 pm PDT September 17, 2009
UPDATED: 4:54 pm PDT September 17, 2009

ANTIOCH, Calif. -- Alameda County sheriff's Sgt. J.D. Nelson said during a search, a cadaver dog gave a tentative feel of a cadaver at one area of the residence of Phillip and Nancy Garrido.

At that point, a second dog was brought in and that dog also indicated on that particular part of the property, Nelson said.

Investigators have been digging on the property of the Garridos to possibly find clues in connection with the disappearance of two girls.

Full story: http://www.kcra.com/news/20974301/detail.html


Sums up what we've already posted, but the article will probably be expanded.

[Natal]

Well, I hope its a dead pet or something like that, or this story has the potential to get really nasty.

[SWAG1959]

Well, I hope its a dead pet or something like that, or this story has the potential to get really nasty.
Cadavar dogs do not hit on animal remains. And the fact that two dogs hit on the same spot means most likely they are going to find something and that something will be human.

For those out there - we all remember the education we got on cadavar dogs during the Anthony case. Plus these dogs today are trained on fairly new remains - IOW they smell human decomposition. The dogs that are going tomorrow are trained on "older" - IOW archeological remains.

If I were to draw conclusions from that presser - they found a "newer" grave today - possibly another birth? Lord, that hurts to type. Tomorrow will tell if there are "older" graves - which could be Michaela or some of the other unsolved cases.

[MBK]

A couple more things that impressed me from today's (9/17) press conference.

They are taking photo documentation of clothing and of documents (i.e., PG's voluminous writings) - - in case it relates to other cases.

Items are being saved for Jaycee and her family that "we think might be of value to her" (Lt. Orrey's words)

[cleo612]

Just a reminder that there will be another press conference at 9am PDT on Friday morning (tomorrow).

[joga]

A couple more things that impressed me from today's (9/17) press conference.

They are taking photo documentation of clothing and of documents (i.e., PG's voluminous writings) - - in case it relates to other cases.

Items are being saved for Jaycee and her family that "we think might be of value to her" (Lt. Orrey's words)

that's really sweet...

[Californian]

Here's a good quality video of today's briefing: YouTube - Police interview bones found on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects.

They will have an archeologist at Friday's briefing to answer any technological questions about the GPR equipment, but Lt. Orrey didn't say if that will be at the 9 am (PT) or 4 pm (PT) assembly.

[FORDANIEL]

Just watched a press conference on Fox,not any real news info ,but it is the same about the dogs,etc.I wonder how much info is being obtained from Jaycee???

[Leila]

Just watched a press conference on Fox,not any real news info ,but it is the same about the dogs,etc.I wonder how much info is being obtained from Jaycee???

I'm guessing that Jaycee gave LE quite a bit of information. We learned that Jaycee was brought back to the Garrido house to show LE what happened and where. It was shortly after that when the investigation on both the Garrido property and the property next door really escalated. I think LE may be working off information Jaycee gave them.

[passionflower]

Jaycee you are a brave girl! Keep strong dear and help the other victims, if there are any.

[luckyme1972]

Does anyone have a the News Conferences from this morning at 9am?
I can't seem to find it anywhere

[my2sisters]

http://www.kron.com/News/SpecialCoverage/TheGarridoInvestigationKRON4Coverage/tabid/519/Default.aspx

Click on Friday Morning News Conference.

[MBK]

A couple of things that caught my interest from the 9/18 morning press conference.

Neither Orrey nor von Savoye are aware of other properties belonging to Garrido. (This reminds me of a video interview with a former FBI profiler who said she wouldn't be surprised if paperwork was found linking Garrido to a storage unit or other property. So, I guess nothing like that has turned up thus far.)

According to Lt. Chris Orrey, the search warrent is just one among a number of other things to pursue before they walk away from Garrido as a potential suspect (in Garecht case)

Orrey said that they have asked questions to Jaycee via other investigators in contact with her (that is, neither she nor Savoye have contacted her directly) . . . but the answers have not given "any clear indication in our cases"

Then she mentioned again, about info from Jaycee as "nothing definitive for our cases" . . .

BUT, please, if you can, listen to the video! I THOUGHT that Lt. Orrey puts a slight stress on the word "OUR" both times, perhaps as if to say that Jaycee HAS information, she has said SOMETHING, but it hasn't clearly indicated the two cases at hand. What do you think? The answers are around 8 mins 50 seconds or thereabouts into the video. Please do watch it.

[SunnieRN]

I had a feeling that there were a few things left unsaid in many regards. Playing things close to the vest at this time seems the prudent thing to do. I still can not think that two police departments would be spending this kind of $$$ without something to go on other than hunches. It will be most interesting to see how things turn out and what is found by the cadaver dogs on Monday.

[SuziQ]

I'm guessing that Jaycee gave LE quite a bit of information. We learned that Jaycee was brought back to the Garrido house to show LE what happened and where. It was shortly after that when the investigation on both the Garrido property and the property next door really escalated. I think LE may be working off information Jaycee gave them.

It doesn't appear so. I guess that's a good thing if she has no personal knowledge of the other cases. Less trauma for her to deal with.

Kidnapped woman hasn't given clues in other cases
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_KIDNAPPED_GIRL_FOUND?SITE=KGW&TEMPLATE=USHEADS.html&SECTION=HOME

[songline]

I LIKE THIS :dance:

Fundraiser Concert for Jaycee Lee Dugard


http://renotahoe.about.com/b/2009/09/17/fundraiser-concert-for-jaycee-lee-dugard.htm

The community of South Lake Tahoe is holding a fundraiser this Sunday, September 20, for kidnap victim Jaycee Lee Dugard. The concert will be at the Horizon Casino's Convention Center from 2 p.m. to 7 p.m. The event is titled "Building New Bridges" and everyone is invited to come celebrate her safe return after 18 years as a captive. Funds raised will bolster the fund Dugard and her family will need to begin the long recovery from this horrific experience.
Bands playing at the concert will include The Movers, The Garcia Brothers, Big Red Band, Turquoise and more. There will also be food, a cash bar and silent auction items from South Lake Tahoe lodging properties, restaurants and area activities. Local businesses who have donated their time and services include Horizon Casino & Resort, Lake Tahoe Gaming Alliance, Tahoe Beach & Ski, Lake Tahoe Soroptimists, and the performing artists.

Residents Kathie Garcia and Fionn Lambert are hosting the event. "I've lived here a long time, and Jaycee's disappearance 18 years ago had a significant impact on our community," said Garcia. "I wanted to raise funds to help Jaycee in her recovery process and I thought a concert would be an excellent way to bring people together. I've reached out to the leaders in our community to participate and the response has been overwhelming - it will truly be a memorable event."

Tickets are $25 for adults. Children 11 and under are free. Tickets are available online from Ticketmaster, at the door, or by calling the Horizon box office at (775) 588-6211.

The "Building New Bridges" event will benefit the Jaycee Dugard Family Fund. You can also make donations to the fund at Bank of the West, 2161 Lake Tahoe Blvd., South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150. For more information call Kathie Garcia at (530) 542-4354

[Dr. Doogie]

...I still can not think that two police departments would be spending this kind of $$$ without something to go on other than hunches...

Hayward PD has a palmprint from Michaela's scooter of her abductor. Obtaining a palmprint of Garrido is easily done and the results of the comparison would be both quick and inexpensive. Does anyone think that Hayward, Dublin and the other LE agencies would be putting this much effort and this much expense into something without first doing the cheap/quick step of comparing the palmprints? :waitasec:

(Look for this question to asked today at the 4pm briefing.) :angel:

[phylliyum]

Hayward PD has a palmprint from Michaela's scooter of her abductor. Obtaining a palmprint of Garrido is easily done and the results of the comparison would be both quick and inexpensive. Does anyone think that Hayward, Dublin and the other LE agencies would be putting this much effort and this much expense into something without first doing the cheap/quick step of comparing the palmprints? :waitasec:

(Look for this question to asked today at the 4pm briefing.) :angel:

I've had the same thought. I'm assuming the briefing is 4pm CA time? (8 pm here) do you happen to know if it's going to be broadcasted on the internet?

[Dr. Doogie]

Yes, 4pm PST. I do not know specifically if it will be live on the internet, but I know that Channel 10 Sacramento has shown these in the past live online.

[LinasK]

I've had the same thought. I'm assuming the briefing is 4pm CA time? (8 pm here) do you happen to know if it's going to be broadcasted on the internet?
It's 4PM PST, which should be 7PM EST. It also should be posted on KRON4.com, they had the morning conference, and they are the local station with the best coverage of the cases...

[Pink Panther]

Has anything happened? Has there been a press conference???

[Dr. Doogie]

Has anything happened? Has there been a press conference???

No, its only 3pm PST now. It will start in about an hour.

Since the dog especially trained for finding human bones (as compared to the dogs trained to sniff out more recently bodies used yesterday) are now not going to be used until next week, I do not expect any bombshells from the search, just a general update. However, I am curious to see any comments about the palmprint - if the question gets asked today.

[Pink Panther]

No, its only 3pm PST now. It will start in about an hour.

Since the dog especially trained for finding human bones (as compared to the dogs trained to sniff out more recently bodies used yesterday) are now not going to be used until next week, I do not expect any bombshells from the search, just a general update. However, I am curious to see any comments about the palmprint - if the question gets asked today.
I find it disconcerting that we are now relying only on dogs for results of this search. I hate to be so cynical but what on earth are the humans doing here??? I hope that someone (anyone) begins to break through this case soon!

PS. No disrespect for the dogs - I hold them in the utmost...I just keep finding myself completely disillusioned by their human counterparts in this case!

[Dr. Doogie]

Actually, I have been impressed by this round of searches and the agencies involved. In addition to the dogs, they have numerous people literally on hands and knees combing each square inch of the property - not only Hayward and Dublin PD's, but other unrelated agencies and trained individuals who have volunteered their time. They are methodically dismantling any outbuildings and removing obstacles so that ground penetrating radar can be used to look for clues at a depth of twenty feet below the ground.

I am not sure what else they could do besides what is already being done. The only complaint that I have is that the property was not adequately secured between the first search and this series of searches - I hope that does not raise "chain of custody" issues at trial.

[mike-]

Since the dog especially trained for finding human bones (as compared to the dogs trained to sniff out more recently bodies used yesterday) are now not going to be used until next week, I do not expect any bombshells from the search, just a general update. However, I am curious to see any comments about the palmprint - if the question gets asked today.[/QUOTE]

Do you know how reliable the dogs are in determining human from animal bones? When I heard that a small bone was found in the initial search I didn't think much of it. What large back yard wouldn't have bones in the soil? If the dogs are reliable though, that's another story.

Also, could they have DNA results from that bone fragment back by now? Could that be why they returned to search?

[Pink Panther]

Dr. D - I hope that your observations about this search are correct and that they are being carried out with professionalism and with documentation...The first one (search) seems to have been carrried out in a very haphazzard manner.

Waiting patiently for the next news conference/update...

MOO

[JoeFromLB]

Actually, I have been impressed by this round of searches and the agencies involved. In addition to the dogs, they have numerous people literally on hands and knees combing each square inch of the property - not only Hayward and Dublin PD's, but other unrelated agencies and trained individuals who have volunteered their time. They are methodically dismantling any outbuildings and removing obstacles so that ground penetrating radar can be used to look for clues at a depth of twenty feet below the ground.

I am not sure what else they could do besides what is already being done. The only complaint that I have is that the property was not adequately secured between the first search and this series of searches - I hope that does not raise "chain of custody" issues at trial.


O.J.'s lawyers used this tactic very successfully at his murder trial, planting seeds of doubt in the jurors' minds. The race card they played later and the "problems" with the glove were just icing on the cake.

I really hope this trial will not be televised! That could be the biggest circus ever seen in a courtroom. Can you imagine PG up there on the stand preaching to the world his insane "religious" mission?

[Californian]

Link: http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181

[MBK]

O.J.'s lawyers used this tactic very successfully at his murder trial, planting seeds of doubt in the jurors' minds. The race card they played later and the "problems" with the glove were just icing on the cake.

I really hope this trial will not be televised! That could be the biggest circus ever seen in a courtroom. Can you imagine PG up there on the stand preaching to the world his insane "religious" mission?

Something tells me we won't see any problems with "jury nullification" in this case!!!

[LinasK]

Palm print from Michaela's scooter does not match either Garrido. Where dogs hit is an area of interest they will dig...

[LinasK]

Link: http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181
Also: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kron-special

[Pink Panther]

Palm print from Michaela's scooter does not match either Garrido. Where dogs hit is an area of interest they will dig...
Was this on the news?

[LinasK]

Neighbors ran off trespassers- teenagers and kids

[Californian]

Briefing and info from LE:

2 more teams of dogs Monday.
More radar.
Might start digging Monday afternoon.

Monday press updates 9 am and 4 pm

cadaver dogs for human remains
bone dogs for archelogal remains

no dogs there today

they are not tearing down the house
may have to pull down sheetrock or pull up flooring
doesn't think they'll take it down at this point

all dogs and technology at this point
technological to look underflooring and into walls

area of interest is on exterior of garrido property but not where they knocked down the shed

boxes and boxes of his writings will be reviewed off site for significance will take time

partial palm print not a match

have had treaspassing incidents, teenagers and kids, neighbors ran them off the property


GPR questions being answered by
Archaelogoist Bill Silva, B.A. Silva Sensing System
Diablo Green Environmental Consulting

GPR will show difference in density of soil.
Will also show metal remains (like jewelry)

Optimal soil conditions - sandy (not clay)

Regarding anamolies, GPR is specifically looking for density - a pit. In this case they have an anomoly that is denser than the area.
They have 2 things that say there is something in a specific location.

they look at morphology of the bones (animal bones tend to be more dense than human bones)

Yeah, Walnut Avenue means there were walnut trees in the pictures they're looking at from 1901.

Silva using 3D software to look layer by layer to see where it is.

GPR and Magnonmetry sees similar things but different aspects.
GPR sees pit.
Magnometer sees material that builds the pit.
Plus, the dogs = 3 lines of data.

Prelim data shows its seeing down 9 feet.
Something else shows 24 feet (missed this, was shushing my sister)

Silva's first crime scene he's been able to help on. Treating it like a prehistoric site.

Just like a pre-historic digs they are looking to see if there is an extended burial site where they're are laid out, or bunched up. That's what they are looking at.

#### end


QUESTION: It sounds like he confirmed there are bodies there????

[LinasK]

Was this on the news?
Reported from Live News Conference. I guess Doogie got to ask it.

[Pink Panther]

Regarding Jaycee:


I hope that they find a means of keeping her away from media wihtout taking away from the information that she might be able to offer.

[LinasK]

In 1901, Garrido property was an orchard- walnut or orange. Anomaly vs. Target Area of Interest.

[Dr. Doogie]

Reported from Live News Conference. I guess Doogie got to ask it.

I am not at the conference today (it is about 100 miles from my house), but I had passed along the question to a media source who had a reporter there. Either they asked the question or someone is monitoring our forum here. No matter, it is something that needed to be asked and no one seemed to be doing it without a little push.

I am surprised that it is not a match. Not sure what to make of that...

[LinasK]

Treating it like a pre-historic site.

[Pink Panther]

I am not at the conference today (it is about 100 miles from my house), but I had passed along the question to a media source who had a reporter there. Either they asked the question or someone is monitoring our forum here. No matter, it is something that needed to be asked and no one seemed to be doing it without a little push.

I am surprised that it is not a match. Not sure what to make of that...


Huh? What is this about???

[LinasK]

PC over.

[Pink Panther]

I'm lost....

: (

[phylliyum]

Palm print from Michaela's scooter does not match either Garrido. Where dogs hit is an area of interest they will dig...

strange...I wonder...are they SURE the palm print on the scooter is from the suspect and not someone else? Michaela's mom, her friend, her father, etc?

[MBK]

Extended burial where they're are laid out, or bunched up. That's what they are looking at. It sounds like he confirmed there are bodies there????

Yeah, what WAS that?!!!!! He wasn't letting on . . . but, still, I got the feeling that there's sumthin.

[i.b.nora]

I think he was just giving examples of for instance, how an indian burial ground might appear. I don't think he confirmed at all, that there are bodies there.

[Pink Panther]

Yeah, what WAS that?!!!!! He wasn't letting on . . . but, still, I got the feeling that there's sumthin.
Some of us poor souls have no access to what you guys are viewing/listening to...Could you PLEASE describe a little something for those of us who don't have access to US programs???

: )

[LinasK]

Some of us poor souls have no access to what you guys are viewing/listening to...Could you PLEASE describe a little something for those of us who don't have access to US programs???
: )
The same area in the Garrido backyard that both the cadaver dogs hit on yesterday, they found an "anomaly", a denser pit in the soil, and they are hinting that it could be laid out like an Indian burial ground- not saying that it's Indians buried there- but hinting at a grave.

[MBK]

Treating it like a pre-historic site.

Which to me is okay. Any archaeologists I've ever known were anal-retentive. We used to call them bone-counters in grad school. If he's using archaeological methods, then he's being very precise. going by a precisely measured grid . . . And he's got the 2 technological methods along with that archaeological mind-set.

It may be his first crime scene, other than Indian massacres (!), but I don't see this guy as a dilettante.

[Californian]

Yeah, what WAS that?!!!!! He wasn't letting on . . . but, still, I got the feeling that there's sumthin.

I watched it with my family. My sister said it looked like he said something he shouldn't have, he glanced over at the other person, then made a quick reversal. She said it sent her hairs on end.

[Californian]

The same area in the Garrido backyard that both the cadaver dogs hit on yesterday, they found an "anomaly", a denser pit in the soil, and they are hinting that it could be laid out like an Indian burial ground- not saying that it's Indians buried there- but hinting at a grave.

Thank you, that's a great summary!

[JulieNMM]

Some of us poor souls have no access to what you guys are viewing/listening to...Could you PLEASE describe a little something for those of us who don't have access to US programs???

: )

I think they are referring to how Dr. Doogie (Sp?) got someone at the press conference to ask if the palm print on Michaela's scooter matched the Garrido's and the answer was no.

[MBK]

I think he was just giving examples of for instance, how an indian burial ground might appear. I don't think he confirmed at all, that there are bodies there.

He didn't say yes, and he didn't say no. Cagey.

[Californian]

Which to me is okay. Any archaeologists I've ever known were anal-retentive. We used to call them bone-counters in grad school. If he's using archaeological methods, then he's being very precise. going by a precisely measured grid . . . And he's got the 2 technological methods along with that archaeological mind-set.

It may be his first crime scene, other than Indian massacres (!), but I don't see this guy as a dilettante.

Great info, MBK!

At first I was thinking why don't they just DIG and pull out whatever they can find. Your comment helped me understand they are being very careful, very precise and analytical, that they (LE) are not about to mess this retrieval up in any way, everything will be backed up with hard scientific data, and can't be twisted once they take the evidence to trial.

[LinasK]

Great info, MBK!

At first I was thinking why don't they just DIG and pull out whatever they can find. Your comment helped me understand they are being very careful, very precise and analytical, that they (LE) are not about to mess this retrieval up in any way, everything will be backed up with hard scientific data, and can't be twisted once they take the evidence to trial.
I think Lt. Orrey said they will be digging there... wasn't sure I summarized it correctly, but I relied on your notes. The anomaly was found using the Ground-Penetrating Radar I believe.

[nursebeeme]

Great info, MBK!

At first I was thinking why don't they just DIG and pull out whatever they can find. Your comment helped me understand they are being very careful, very precise and analytical, that they (LE) are not about to mess this retrieval up in any way, everything will be backed up with hard scientific data, and can't be twisted once they take the evidence to trial.
Hi all! Have been on the Annie Le forum for the last few days and am just catching up here.. I found the presser with the technology AMAZING. I took a few notes. I hope you don't mind if I post them:
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They are using three lines of data to analyze the ground:

1) GPR: radar machine. It can show contrast in the ground. They have three different antenas they are using that can see to different depths. If there is contrast in an area it is first called an anomaly. Once an anomaly is located they move on to:

2) MAGNATROMETER: which can analyze the material that may be filling the "pit".

3) The third line of data are the cadaver and bone dogs.

Compiling the three lines of data can move an area into a target of interest where they will then dig using the science behind it to guide location and depth.

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Some other interesting things he said was that he was looking for pits that were graves in the extended or flex burial positions. He said further that there may have been a walnut grove on the land earlier and that the builders, when removing the trees, could have left the rootballs of the trees which could be close to the same size as a burial pit. He would not comment on what 'shape' the anomaly was.

Considering that two cadaver dogs have already indicated on the area of the anomaly (LE says they will be back Monday again), I don't see how this could be just a rootball.

LE says they may be digging in that area in the afternoon on Monday.

((aside: for anyone curious, the archeaologist says he is using "GPR SLICE" to look at his data))

[SunnieRN]

O.J.'s lawyers used this tactic very successfully at his murder trial, planting seeds of doubt in the jurors' minds. The race card they played later and the "problems" with the glove were just icing on the cake.

I really hope this trial will not be televised! That could be the biggest circus ever seen in a courtroom. Can you imagine PG up there on the stand preaching to the world his insane "religious" mission?

The OJ Simpson glove debacle could have been seen through by anyone with a toddler. Have you ever tried to put a shoe or mittens on a toddler that didn't want them put on? Impossible. Also, leather that has gotten wet from liquid or blood will be stiff and need to be made pliable in order to put it back on again easily. Just my :twocents:.

In 1901, Garrido property was an orchard- walnut or orange. Anomaly vs. Target Area of Interest.

More than likely walnut. The area was very famous for walnuts in the late 1800's through the 1960's or so. In fact, a few miles over in Walnut Creek they had the "Walnut Festival" every year. In fact that is where my parents met.

[Californian]

More than likely walnut. The area was very famous for walnuts in the late 1800's through the 1960's or so. In fact, a few miles over in Walnut Creek they had the "Walnut Festival" every year. In fact that is where my parents met.

This area is not known for orange groves (those are more common to Southern California). That the house sits on "Walnut Avenue" might be a coincidence, but the area was once all agricultural and walnuts were a popular crop.

[Dr. Doogie]

I may not be seeing this neutrally since I was the one who brought up the issue of the palmprint to the reporter who asked the question, but the answer by Orrey stunned me and it may be the news of the day. If the palmprint is definitely from Michaela's abductor and it does not match Garrido, then Garrido cannot be the abductor. The palmprint was touted about three months ago as the strongest piece of physical evidence for identifying the kidnapper. Since it did not match Garrido, I find it curious that Hayward PD would join in the expensive search and excavation. Perhaps, since so many have egg on thier face concerning Garrido's history, they have decided to damn the torpedos / full speed ahead - they might feel its better to do too much rather than too little. I have been pushing for LE and the media to look closely at Garrido as Michaela's kidnapper, but now I just don't know. I am really really confused. :waitasec:

[Natal]

They don't KNOW that the palmprint is from the abductor, all they know is that it is from an unknown person.

[my2sisters]

I may not be seeing this neutrally since I was the one who brought up the issue of the palmprint to the reporter who asked the question, but the answer by Orrey stunned me and it may be the news of the day. If the palmprint is definitely from Michaela's abductor and it does not match Garrido, then Garrido cannot be the abductor. The palmprint was touted about three months ago as the strongest piece of physical evidence for identifying the kidnapper. Since it did not match Garrido, I find it curious that Hayward PD would join in the expensive search and excavation. Perhaps, since so many have egg on thier face concerning Garrido's history, they have decided to damn the torpedos / full speed ahead - they might feel its better to do too much rather than too little. I have been pushing for LE and the media to look closely at Garrido as Michaela's kidnapper, but now I just don't know. I am really really confused. :waitasec:

I've been struggling with this, too. Did you watch Larry King last night? A couple of things brought up disturbed me that I can't make sense of.

Dr. Phil sat in for Larry and he made a strong point of saying that Jaycee could answer questions about Michaela and why wasn't she. Sharon Murch seemed uncomfortable with the direction Dr. Phil was headed. But when you think about it, no matter how much trauma Jaycee has experienced answering some questions about Michaela is important right now and she's apparently not doing it.

Michaela's mother made a plea to Michaela that was strange - no matter what she's done type plea. Makes me wonder what Phillip may have made these girls do for so many years. Maybe Michaela is with someone else in a situation similar to Jaycee's?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/18/lkl.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/18/lkl.01.html)

"(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LT. CHRIS ORREY, HAYWARD, CA POLICE: We did locate another bone on the exterior of the Garrido property. It was in a different location than the bone located on that property earlier in the week. And it's too early to even begin to guess what kind of bone that might be, human or animal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCGRAW: Phillip Garrido and his wife, Nancy, were arrested August 26th and remain jailed on kidnapping and rape charges in connection with the '91 abduction of 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard. Now, Garrido allegedly fathered her two daughters. Investigators are now trying to determine if there's any connection between the Garridos and two other unsolved missing girl cases.

Joining us now is CNN's Dan Simon with the latest. He's in our San Francisco bureau. And Dan, this story just gets more compelling by the day.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's really been unbelievable since this all started in late August. And we can tell you today authorities were back out at the house. They've been there pretty much since this case began. And what they're looking for, as you mentioned, Dr. Phil -- they're looking to see if Philip and Nancy Garrido might be somehow linked to a pair of kidnappings that happened roughly 20 years ago.

And what they've been doing is they've been looking, basically, in the backyard of the house. They've had cadaver dogs there. They've come across, actually, several bones. At this point, they don't know if those bones are animal or human. But they've been sifting through the backyard. There's been so much debris back there, it's really been taking all this time just to get the whole place cleared out.

What we saw yesterday was quite compelling as well. The first time we've actually seen the inside of this house. And we've seen the backyard and the series of tents and sheds. Well, inside, it doesn't look any better. You're seeing dishes that haven't been washed, stacked up in the sink, discarded furniture, discarded appliances.

And this is the kind of life that Jaycee Dugard was exposed to for nearly 20 years.

MCGRAW: Let's look at the timing, Dan. I know you've been all over this case. We've watched you so closely as you've brought this information to us. We know that he gets out of jail. And at the time he gets out, we begin to see this pattern. Michaela Garecht in September of '88 is abducted. Ilene Misheloff in '89 gets abducted. And then Jaycee Dugard in '91.

Is the timing one of the big reasons that they're looking at this? Michaela was nine. Ilene was 13. Jaycee was 11. They happened in '88, '89, and '91.

SIMON: Absolutely. We know that he got off jail approximately in 1988 after serving 11 years of a 50-year prison sentence for committing a rape back in 1976. But you're right, the timing is a coincidence here. Well, maybe not. That's what authorities want to look at.

But in particular, as it relates to the Michaela Garecht case, police are really looking at that case closely, really for a couple of reasons. First of all, if you look at Jaycee Dugard, she was 11, and Michaela Garecht, she was nine. You put them side by side, they're almost identical. Both have blond hair, blue eyes. Very similar in appearance. Perhaps there is an MO there.

Secondly, you look at Philip Garrido and you look at the composite sketch of the subject back when that took place, some 20- years-ago, and police say there's a striking resemblance between Phillip Garrido and the composite sketch.

And finally, there was a witness to what happened back when Michaela Garecht was abducted. She said abducted near a supermarket. She has looked at this car that was taken off the Garrido property. And she says, you know, that looks a lot like the car that I remember my friend being taken away in.

So there's a lot to look at here. And of course, that's why cops are back out at the house.

MCGRAW: OK, Dan, I want you to stay with us if you can. When we come back, we're going to talk to the mother of one of the still- missing girls, and to the woman who witnessed the actual abduction when she was a child two decades ago. We'll talk to them when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCGRAW: You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. I'm Dr. Phil McGraw, sitting in for Larry tonight. Sharon Murch is joining us. Her daughter, Michaela, was kidnapped in 1988. Sharon, as you've watched this unfold, is it eerily similar to what happened to your daughter?

SHARON MURCH, MOTHER OF KIDNAPPED DAUGHTER: Well, yes, there are a lot of similarities between Jaycee's kidnapping and Michaela's kidnapping. The cases have intersected in the investigations over the years because of those similarities. And when Jaycee was found alive, my first thought was, please, god, let Michaela be with her.

MCGRAW: And, of course, we know that she wasn't with her. Has there ever been an arrest or an active suspect in the case of Michaela?

MURCH: There have been a number of suspects. The police have investigating over 13,000 leads in the last 20 years. But there have never been any arrests.

MCGRAW: Do you still hold out hope that she's alive?

MURCH: I do still hold out hope that she's alive. One of the neighbors of the Garrido's several years ago reported that there were girls living in the backyard, and they reported that there were not three girls living in the backyard, but five girls. So that leaves two unaccounted for. And I'm believing that one of those could be Michaela.

MCGRAW: Katrina Rodriguez is joining us. She was with Michaela Garecht and witnessed her kidnapping. Katrina, this has got to bring an awful lot back to you when you hear about the way in which Jaycee was reportedly kidnapped.

KATRINA RODRIGUEZ, WITNESS TO KIDNAPPING: Yes, it sounds remarkably like Michaela's kidnapping. Broad daylight, shoved into a car. And with her kidnapping, I believe there was a witness too.

MCGRAW: Are you the one that provided the description to the police?

RODRIGUEZ: Yes.

MCGRAW: And you remember the car. Tell us what you remember about the car that she was pulled into.

RODRIGUEZ: It was early '80s, maybe late '70s, kind of boxy, a sedan, and tan in color. And photos I've seen of the Garrido's car, they -- it looks like the same shape of car. I can't vouch for the color. It doesn't match my memory. But the shape of the car matches.

MCGRAW: People might wonder, of course, why would they have that car 30 years later. But I have to tell you, from a psychological perspective, when I see the photos from inside the house, it is highly suggestive that these people may be hoarders, that just can't turn loose of anything. They collect things that are obviously junk to someone else, but that they can't turn loose of.

If that's the case, if these pictures of the house do depict some type of unwillingness or inability to turn loose of things, it might explain why that car was still there, if, in fact, it is the same car. When you see -- Katrina, when you see pictures of Phillip Garrido, what do you think? Does it ring any bells with you?

RODRIGUEZ: I've seen some photos of him from the late '70s and early '80s, and I have to say that it looks a lot like my memory of the kidnapper, especially the eyes. But the shape of the face, length of it, kind of the placement of his eyes apart from each other, and everything just kind of seems to match up. And I haven't really gone on record as saying that very often.

MCGRAW: Well, yes, clearly, that's got to be a compelling image for you to see, because I know it was traumatic for you at the time as well. We're going to have Katrina tell us more about that fateful day and talk more to Sharon when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCGRAW: I'm Dr. Phil, sitting in for Larry King tonight. Right now, we are talking about Jaycee Dugard's kidnapping and her release. Dan Simon is with us. Dan, you've been on top of this case from the beginning. What's the mood in the neighborhood up there?

SIMON: Well, I think people are pretty upset that the authorities didn't, you know, discover this case a lot sooner. We actually spoke to a neighbor. His girlfriend called the police some three years ago. She looked over the fence of their property, saw some tents, saw some children living in the backyard, picked up the phone, dialed 911.

Sheriff's office came out, talked to Phillip Garrido for a few minutes and then left. So I think when you walk through the streets of that neighborhood, people are angry, saying, why didn't police, you know, catch this guy a lot sooner?

MCGRAW: Dan, one of the things I wanted to ask you -- and I'm sure you've talked to law enforcement, both on and off the record. But I know next Thursday on my show, we're doing a story about the Wessen family that was in Fresno and wound up with very similar situation. The father that had daughters living in tents, had sex with daughters that yielded children. And when he was confronted by police, he killed every one that was home, shooting them all in the head.

Is this something that was averted? While law enforcement seemed to drop the ball on one hand, they were terribly alert on the other in recognizing that something was going on, to avoid what could have been a tragic outcome, like the one we're going to talk about on Thursday.

SIMON: Well, clearly Phillip Garrido, if the allegations are true, had an unbelievable ability to keep this secret for so many years. He had to meet with his parole officer a couple of times a month. We know that the children and Jaycee Dugard were visible with him at times. That backyard was there for many, many years. Apparently, only a few neighbors saw it.

So he had really an incredible ability to keep this double life from coming out.

MCGRAW: Well, Sharon, let me ask you, have you talked to Jaycee Dugard?

MURCH: No, I haven't.

MCGRAW: Because I would -- you know, I would think that it would be such a wonderful opportunity. Maybe they crossed paths in some ways. It's possible that Jaycee knew your daughter or saw your daughter or knows something about her. I'm sure you must just be really, really anxious to ask those questions.

MURCH: I think it is possible, but Jaycee was not Jaycee at the time that she lived with Phillip Garrido. She was Alyssa. So if she had crossed paths with Michaela, she may not have even known it.

MCGRAW: But if she could be shown some pictures, if she could, you know, talk with you, get some descriptions, some things that she might recognize, that would just be so helpful. And we just wish you so much goodwill with all of this, and hope that something comes up.

More with Katrina and Sharon after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWS BREAK)

MCGRAW: We're here talking about the Jaycee Dugard case, really from a different angle, because there are two other disappearances that happened along that time, about that time. And so now there is real suspicion that he may have been involved in those disappearances. Maybe so, maybe not. But there are some similarities.

Sharon Murch, mother of one of the missing girls, Michaela Garecht, is with us, and Katrina Rodriguez, who was with Michaela at the time she was abducted. Katrina, let me start with you. Were you and Michaela the same age?

RODRIGUEZ: Yes, we were both in the fourth grade.

MCGRAW: OK. And tell us what happened that day. You were walking down the -- how did it happen? I know there were some scooters involved.

RODRIGUEZ: Yes. We rode scooters a couple blocks from our house to the local supermarket. And we went inside. We got some soda and some beef jerky and Laffy Taffy. And we started to leave the building. We walked to the edge of the parking lot, and then realized we had left the scooters. And we went back to the front door to look for where we had parked them.

And one of them was missing. Michaela was the first to notice where the other scooter was. And so she went to go pick it up. And as I stooped down to pick up the other scooter, I heard screaming. And I looked up and I saw a man shoving her into his car.

And he got in the car. He pulled out of the parking spot, out of the parking lot, and on to the road. And that's when I ran inside to tell a clerk. And she called 911. MCGRAW: So you knew right away this was all wrong. I mean you could -- you knew it was not -- that this was not supposed to be happening?

RODRIGUEZ: Yes. But it took a little while to register. I definitely wasn't expecting it, so I just stood frozen watching it until he had gotten out to the road. And then I ran in. But, yes, I definitely knew something was very wrong.

MCGRAW: What's been your reaction with all this coming out now with Jaycee Dugard?

RODRIGUEZ: I have got a lot of hope renewed. And then just there's renewed feelings of guilt and sadness that it was Michaela who was kidnapped. I mean, obviously I'm thankful for my life and what I've had and experienced. But I'm very sad that Michaela didn't.

MCGRAW: How has it affected you over the years that you saw such a traumatic thing?

RODRIGUEZ: I would say I'm a little more apt to take responsibility for things maybe that really aren't my fault. I'm a pretty over-protective mom, I'd say. And, yes, I -- I definitely have fears that people are going to come after me and my children.

MCGRAW: It's very understandable. Sharon, what is it that you want people in America, around the world, and certainly in that area to know about Michaela and about your hopes?

MURCH: I would like to address Michaela. I'm hoping that she's out there alive, and she's able to see me, and able to hear my voice. I just want to tell her that there's nothing that could have happened over the last 20 years that could have changed my feelings for her. There's nothing that could have happened over the last 20 years that we cannot heal. And I am just begging her to break free and come home.

If she's not willing to do it for herself, do it for me, please. Because going through this and wondering where my daughter is and what she might be experiencing or what she might have experienced is really hard. And I just really long to have the experience that Jaycee's mother has had of being reunited, and being able to hold her in my arms again. I just want her to come home.

MCGRAW: Sharon, we'll all pray for you. Thank you. And Katrina, thank you. We'll wrap it up after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCGRAW: The question on everybody's mind is Philip Garrido involved in some of the other disappearances that we've been talking about tonight. Dan Simon, you've been in Antioch. You've been all over this. Experts that follow these things with pedophiles and sexual offenders tell us that the average sexual offender can have anywhere 100 to 400 victims throughout their lifetime. So the fact that Philip Garrido has been tied to one that we know of and a violent rape before leaves an awful lot of concern that there are other victims out there. What does law enforcement think about this?

SIMON: Dr. Phil, I've often heard you say the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. But in terms of what authorities are saying, the bottom line is they don't know if he's connected to these other cases. That's why they're spending so much time out at the house.

We can tell that you starting on Monday, police are going to be back out there looking at the soil. They're going to be digging it up. We know that a couple of cadaver dogs picked up a scent. They zeroed in on one particular area. They brought out magnetometers today and they confirmed that there is something unusual beneath the soil.

I think once they go in there and dig up that yard a little bit more, perhaps it might yield a few more answers. You mentioned that they didn't throw anything away, that they showed classic signs of being hoarders. When it comes to this particular case. that might be an asset. Because if you didn't throw anything away, there might be evidence in the house that might tie into some of these other crimes.

MCGRAW: Well, if they are hoarders, and it certainly looks like they're pack rats, then hopefully there will be clues in there, something that will tie back to some other cases. Because, as I say, there are a number of those that -- there is such a high number that these people usually victimize. It doesn't mean that they're violent with all of them. But they do have more than one victim typically. So maybe we'll learn something about that as we go along.

Dan, I'm sure you'll keep us posted on all that. You know, we've seen pictures tonight of the young girls. It's hard to age them in your mind. But if anybody knows anything about it, you know, please contact the authorities. Let us know.

I really enjoyed sitting in with Larry tonight. This isn't a fun topic, but it's one I know you're interested in. So I hope I see you next week on "Dr. Phil." We have the Dr. Phil family back after five years on Monday. We'll be looking at a very similar case to this on Wednesday.

So I hope to see you there. And thanks for the time that you spent with us here tonight. I know Larry will be back Monday. It will be great. So appreciate it."

[MBK]

Thanks for the Larry King transcript. A "must" read, I am sure. I wanted to get this thought down before it flits out of my mind. I saw a vid on KRON where Lt. Orrey was talking, and I thought that her demeanor was a bit odd when talking about whether Jaycee was being helpful in answering questions. She said something like "Jaycee is a victim in another case" . . . but really I thought that Orrey's demeanor was reticent or . . I can't put a finger on it. So, INTERESTING what Dr. Phil is saying!

To be sure, we don't want to be ghouls here, but perhaps we can't imagine, or don't want to imagine what Jaycee and her daughters were MADE TO DO (ie., made to do to other kids???) to keep them compliant. Maybe my imagination's getting away from me here, but the picture isn't "rosy" . . . let's not kid ourselves. K, gonna go back and read that transcript!!!

[my2sisters]

Thanks for the Larry King transcript. A "must" read, I am sure. I wanted to get this thought down before it flits out of my mind. I saw a vid on KRON where Lt. Orrey was talking, and I thought that her demeanor was a bit odd when talking about whether Jaycee was being helpful in answering questions. She said something like "Jaycee is a victim in another case" . . . but really I thought that Orrey's demeanor was reticent or . . I can't put a finger on it. So, INTERESTING what Dr. Phil is saying!

To be sure, we don't want to be ghouls here, but perhaps we can't imagine, or don't want to imagine what Jaycee and her daughters were MADE TO DO (ie., made to do to other kids???) to keep them compliant. Maybe my imagination's getting away from me here, but the picture isn't "rosy" . . . let's not kid ourselves. K, gonna go back and read that transcript!!!

I picked up on Lt. Orrey's body language, too. CNN doesn't have the video up yet, but I got the same feeling from Sharon's reaction.

It's possible she's still alive, but has done so many horrible things that she's afraid to come forward. In no way do I mean to accuse Jaycee, Michaela or any victim.

[MBK]

MURCH: I think it is possible, but Jaycee was not Jaycee at the time that she lived with Phillip Garrido. She was Alyssa. So if she had crossed paths with Michaela, she may not have even known it.

Whoa. That is a very, very strange statement.

What does Sharon Murch KNOW or, rather, what has she been told by law enforcement officials about Jaycee? Was Jaycee so traumatized that her personality "split", so to speak? Sounds like things are far, far, far from "normal" at the moment . . . sounds almost like deprogramming is needed.

Even, if, let's say, Michaela was there at the Garrido house and was introduced by another name, Michaela would still be "herself" . . . and would be recognizable from a photo, I would think.

MURCH: I would like to address Michaela. I'm hoping that she's out there alive, and she's able to see me, and able to hear my voice. I just want to tell her that there's nothing that could have happened over the last 20 years that could have changed my feelings for her. There's nothing that could have happened over the last 20 years that we cannot heal. And I am just begging her to break free and come home.

If she's not willing to do it for herself, do it for me, please. Because going through this and wondering where my daughter is and what she might be experiencing or what she might have experienced is really hard. And I just really long to have the experience that Jaycee's mother has had of being reunited, and being able to hold her in my arms again. I just want her to come home.

I agree. Sharon Murch's plea is odd. It sounds like something you'd say to a girl who ran away, rather than one who was kidnapped.

Judging from the passage on Sharon Murch's blog (which was noted here yesterday), and from this interview with Dr. Phil, I would guess that law enforcement has suggested to her that the girls were made to do . .. unspeakable . .. horrifying things.

Jaycee's recovery will be a long, hard road. Please pray right now as you are reading this that she will come to know in her heart and soul that nothing she did, nothing that happened to her, was ever, ever her fault, and that she will heal and realize the promise of her life.

[my2sisters]

I agree, MBK. I was awake all night trying to interpret this differently, but I can't.

[mysteriew]

I may not be seeing this neutrally since I was the one who brought up the issue of the palmprint to the reporter who asked the question, but the answer by Orrey stunned me and it may be the news of the day. If the palmprint is definitely from Michaela's abductor and it does not match Garrido, then Garrido cannot be the abductor. The palmprint was touted about three months ago as the strongest piece of physical evidence for identifying the kidnapper. Since it did not match Garrido, I find it curious that Hayward PD would join in the expensive search and excavation. Perhaps, since so many have egg on thier face concerning Garrido's history, they have decided to damn the torpedos / full speed ahead - they might feel its better to do too much rather than too little. I have been pushing for LE and the media to look closely at Garrido as Michaela's kidnapper, but now I just don't know. I am really really confused. :waitasec:

Not necessarily true. The print could have been on the bike from earlier in the day. Or we don't know what happened with the bike between the time the abductor set it aside and when investigators found it. Did some kid come along and decide to look at it? Was it left lying on the road and somebody else moved it out of the way? Did the person who found it accidently get his palmprint on it before he realized it might be related to Jaycee? Because the palmprint was there and unidentified it was a possibilty that it was related to the kidnapper. But because it doesn't match PG I don't think it rules him out.

[my2sisters]

This statement from Garrido's jailhouse interview is interesting.

Garrido in a telephone interview Wednesday calls his story a “heart warming”.

“What’s kept me busy the last several years is I’ve completely turned my life around. And you’re going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, the victim - you wait. If you take this a step at a time, you’re going to fall over backwards and in the end, you’re going to find the most powerful heart-warming story.”

“Wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house. You are going to be completely impressed. It’s a disgusting thing that took place with me at the beginning. But I turned my life completely around and to be able to understand that, you have to start there.”

Maybe he has (brainwashed) supporters?

[mysteriew]

Whoa. That is a very, very strange statement.

What does Sharon Murch KNOW or, rather, what has she been told by law enforcement officials about Jaycee? Was Jaycee so traumatized that her personality "split", so to speak? Sounds like things are far, far, far from "normal" at the moment . . . sounds almost like deprogramming is needed.

Even, if, let's say, Michaela was there at the Garrido house and was introduced by another name, Michaela would still be "herself" . . . and would be recognizable from a photo, I would think.



I agree. Sharon Murch's plea is odd. It sounds like something you'd say to a girl who ran away, rather than one who was kidnapped.

Judging from the passage on Sharon Murch's blog (which was noted here yesterday), and from this interview with Dr. Phil, I would guess that law enforcement has suggested to her that the girls were made to do . .. unspeakable . .. horrifying things.

Jaycee's recovery will be a long, hard road. Please pray right now as you are reading this that she will come to know in her heart and soul that nothing she did, nothing that happened to her, was ever, ever her fault, and that she will heal and realize the promise of her life.

I don't know, I think it is more a normal progression of thought.

To a parent of a kidnapped child, Jaycee's being found was more than a miracle. It was a sign, a sign that maybe, just maybe their own child could still be alive. But if their child was alive after so long a time, why didn't they try to return home? If they had been forced to do things, they might feel too ashamed to return home. So if a hopeful mother got a chance to get that word out, I think she would make an effort to say that she wanted her child home no matter what they may have done.

Personally I think Jaycee is talking to LE and has been since soon after her recovery. But I think it is a slow process because she may be fragile and they don't want to destroy her in the process of getting the answers. They are also very aware that she is dealing with a lot of other issues at the same time that they are working with her. She is dealing with a new life, explanations to her children, reunions with her relatives. So they will try to take it at a comfortable pace for her.

[Californian]

MCGRAW: Katrina Rodriguez is joining us. She was with Michaela Garecht and witnessed her kidnapping. Katrina, this has got to bring an awful lot back to you when you hear about the way in which Jaycee was reportedly kidnapped.

KATRINA RODRIGUEZ, WITNESS TO KIDNAPPING: Yes, it sounds remarkably like Michaela's kidnapping. Broad daylight, shoved into a car. And with her kidnapping, I believe there was a witness too.


Katrina was interviewed earlier this week by one of the local stations, and at that time, the interviewer explained that she agreed to go on-air but didn't want her last name (and I think the city she was living in) revealed. She obviously has changed her mind since then. In the first interview, she mentioned the survivor's guilt she's held at these years. I can't imagine how difficult this must be for her as well as Michaela's mom.

I thought it was KRON, but I can't find the video. However, I came across this interview while searching for it:

Garecht Abduction Witness: Garrido Could Be the Kidnapper
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=67052

[Californian]

Okay, Lt. Orrey ruled out the palm print did not come from PHILLIP Garrido. Is there any chance NANCY was with him that day, and the print is hers? Like if while the girls were in the store, she was the one who got out of the car, moved the scooter, then returned to the car, perhaps lying down on the back seat (with her frggin' stun gun?) waiting for Phil to put Michaela in the car?

[Natal]

I picked up on Lt. Orrey's body language, too. CNN doesn't have the video up yet, but I got the same feeling from Sharon's reaction.

It's possible she's still alive, but has done so many horrible things that she's afraid to come forward. In no way do I mean to accuse Jaycee, Michaela or any victim.

If there were multiple victims who's stay overlapped, I would think that it's possible that the older ones would have been co-opted into what was going on. Giving someone a guilty secret that they can be essentially blackmailed with is the most potent method there is for coercing someone to your will. If Garrido was doing that, it would provide a mechanism for keeping his activities going for a very long time without actually killing anyone.

I think that when everything comes out, that this is probably what Nancy is going to claim, that she was "controlled" enough to participate in a crime (the actually Jaycee kidnapping), and after that her guilty secret was enough to ensure her silence and compliance for ever more. If they start digging up fresh bodies in the back yard, I think it will be quite likely that Jaycee also has some sort of guilty secret as well, that would be the only way to explain her silence about something she would have known about. Which, by the way, is why I'm praying that the "hit" they have in the backyard is a false positive and that the bones found at the surface are ancient. If not, then......bad times.

Fresh bodies doesn't necessarily imply a crime btw, the deaths may have been from natural causes and just not reported because of the circumstances of the backyard situation.

Who knows who all else that scenario may have been used against. If it did play out like that and Garrido did have Michaela at some point, she may very well be alive out there somewhere, unable to come forward because of guilt.

As a side note, I remember reading that report from the neighbor who claimed that there were many girls/women there, but only 5 "core" ones. I tried looking for it yesterday but couldn't find it. Does anyone remember the source? I assume that is the one Michaela's mom was referring to. It would be interesting to see what the exact wording and context was.

[MBK]

I don't know, I think it is more a normal progression of thought.

To a parent of a kidnapped child, Jaycee's being found was more than a miracle. It was a sign, a sign that maybe, just maybe their own child could still be alive. But if their child was alive after so long a time, why didn't they try to return home? If they had been forced to do things, they might feel too ashamed to return home. So if a hopeful mother got a chance to get that word out, I think she would make an effort to say that she wanted her child home no matter what they may have done.

I see what you are saying. However, if Sharon Murch hasn't made such a similarly worded plea before, I would think that she might be influenced by something she had discussed with investigators recently. I don't know the sort of thing Sharon Murch had said publicly, hoping against hope to reach her daughter . . . whether she pleaded with her to come home, that she forgave her whatever she had done . .. . but as I say, if this is something new, it's related to something she's discussed with investigators in Jaycee's case.

Yes, from what has been said, Jaycee was asked questions by investigators about the other missing girls, and maybe she just honestly doesn't know anything, but I was struck by Lt. Orrey's demeanor answering the reporter in regards to whether Jaycee was being helpful. Wish I could find that video again!

[Natal]

Okay, Lt. Orrey ruled out the palm print did not come from PHILLIP Garrido. Is there any chance NANCY was with him that day, and the print is hers? Like if while the girls were in the store, she was the one who got out of the car, moved the scooter, then returned to the car, perhaps lying down on the back seat (with her frggin' stun gun?) waiting for Phil to put Michaela in the car?

I'm sure they would have checked Nancy's as well, since they have her in custody.

Maybe they need to check Mom's palm prints? Her story about the last 18 years sounded pretty suspect to me. She may very well have her own guilty secrets.

Edit: By Mom, I'm mean PG's mom, if that wasn't clear.

[LinasK]

Okay, Lt. Orrey ruled out the palm print did not come from PHILLIP Garrido. Is there any chance NANCY was with him that day, and the print is hers? Like if while the girls were in the store, she was the one who got out of the car, moved the scooter, then returned to the car, perhaps lying down on the back seat (with her frggin' stun gun?) waiting for Phil to put Michaela in the car?
No, IIRC, Orrey also said the print was not Nancy's either...

[MBK]

Maybe they need to check Mom's palm prints? Her story about the last 18 years sounded pretty suspect to me. She may very well have her own guilty secrets.

Edit: By Mom, I'm mean PG's mom, if that wasn't clear.

OMG!!! As they say, WOW is MOM upside-down.

Interesting concept. Nobody would question the motives of an elderly lady moving a scooter . . . she could just act all dowdy and innocent. Shoot!

Maybe you've got something here.

[Natal]

The other thing that has struck me as odd about this case is that no current images of Jaycee, even blurred ones, have been released to re-assure the general public that she is indeed ok. And allmost no information outside of third party (mostly outdated) sources. Do they want people to continue thinking of her as an 11 year old child in the 90s for some reason?

[MBK]

The other thing that has struck me as odd about this case is that no current images of Jaycee, even blurred ones, have been released to re-assure the general public that she is indeed ok. And allmost no information outside of third party (mostly outdated) sources. Do they want people to continue thinking of her as an 11 year old child in the 90s for some reason?

Good point. Do you care to expand upon your thoughts here? What are you really saying? Because I think you're hitting on someting important.

Image of an innocent child vs. ___________?

As for information from 3rd party, outdated sources, what do you mean by that?

[SunnieRN]

I hate to even suspect, let alone state this, however there is a very high probavility that if PG did kidnap Michaela also, that she may have never met Jaycee. In my mind I keep thinking about NG's statements about forced sex, pain. It makes me wonder if things just went to far and therefore a "replacement" was needed. Gruesome thought.

The thing that gives me hope however is the fact that the neighbor saw 5 or 6 girls, that were the "core group". To me that would show that she must have made observations more than one time!

Since this was documented by a police visit I tend to believe her story as she had no reason whatsoever to lie about the situation.

Dr. Doogie I have the same questions about the PD's expenses related to this case. They have stated a lot of new tips had been coming in. I wonder if some of those led to these investigations?

Sharon Murch is a desperate Mother, who has suffered yet another disappointment. I truly believe that her message had nothing to do with ANY involvement in her daughters kidnapping and everything to do with wanting resolution.

[Natal]

Good point. Do you care to expand upon your thoughts here? What are you really saying? Because I think you're hitting on someting important.

Image of an innocent child vs. ___________?

As for information from 3rd party, outdated sources, what do you mean by that?

Outdated 3rd party sources would be things like the folk who did printing business with the Garridos, the Molinos, the neighbors, people like that.

[i.b.nora]

Okay, Lt. Orrey ruled out the palm print did not come from PHILLIP Garrido. Is there any chance NANCY was with him that day, and the print is hers? Like if while the girls were in the store, she was the one who got out of the car, moved the scooter, then returned to the car, perhaps lying down on the back seat (with her frggin' stun gun?) waiting for Phil to put Michaela in the car?
I believe I heard it said that BOTH Phillip and Nancy Garrido were ruled out as being owners of the palmprint.

[my2sisters]

To reemphasize, Sharon Murch's body language (to Dr. Phil's question about whether or not Jaycee had been asked about Michaela) strongly suggested that she knew something but couldn't talk about it. The transcripts don't show that, of course.

[Leila]

I hate to even suspect, let alone state this, however there is a very high probavility that if PG did kidnap Michaela also, that she may have never met Jaycee. In my mind I keep thinking about NG's statements about forced sex, pain. It makes me wonder if things just went to far and therefore a "replacement" was needed. Gruesome thought.

The thing that gives me hope however is the fact that the neighbor saw 5 or 6 girls, that were the "core group". To me that would show that she must have made observations more than one time!

Since this was documented by a police visit I tend to believe her story as she had no reason whatsoever to lie about the situation.

Dr. Doogie I have the same questions about the PD's expenses related to this case. They have stated a lot of new tips had been coming in. I wonder if some of those led to these investigations?

Sharon Murch is a desperate Mother, who has suffered yet another disappointment. I truly believe that her message had nothing to do with ANY involvement in her daughters kidnapping and everything to do with wanting resolution.

OMG...............this thought just occurred to me! There was mention of two little girls, both blond, that were about 4-years-old. Could these two little blond girls be the children of Michaela, or of another kidnapped victim?

We know that PG fathered two children with Jaycee, so it's not outside the possibility that PG fathered children with another kidnap victim.

[Leila]

I've been struggling with this, too. Did you watch Larry King last night? A couple of things brought up disturbed me that I can't make sense of.

Dr. Phil sat in for Larry and he made a strong point of saying that Jaycee could answer questions about Michaela and why wasn't she. Sharon Murch seemed uncomfortable with the direction Dr. Phil was headed. But when you think about it, no matter how much trauma Jaycee has experienced answering some questions about Michaela is important right now and she's apparently not doing it.

Michaela's mother made a plea to Michaela that was strange - no matter what she's done type plea. Makes me wonder what Phillip may have made these girls do for so many years. Maybe Michaela is with someone else in a situation similar to Jaycee's?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/18/lkl.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/18/lkl.01.html)

"(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LT. CHRIS ORREY, HAYWARD, CA POLICE: We did locate another bone on the exterior of the Garrido property. It was in a different location than the bone located on that property earlier in the week. And it's too early to even begin to guess what kind of bone that might be, human or animal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCGRAW: Phillip Garrido and his wife, Nancy, were arrested August 26th and remain jailed on kidnapping and rape charges in connection with the '91 abduction of 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard. Now, Garrido allegedly fathered her two daughters. Investigators are now trying to determine if there's any connection between the Garridos and two other unsolved missing girl cases.

Joining us now is CNN's Dan Simon with the latest. He's in our San Francisco bureau. And Dan, this story just gets more compelling by the day.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's really been unbelievable since this all started in late August. And we can tell you today authorities were back out at the house. They've been there pretty much since this case began. And what they're looking for, as you mentioned, Dr. Phil -- they're looking to see if Philip and Nancy Garrido might be somehow linked to a pair of kidnappings that happened roughly 20 years ago.

And what they've been doing is they've been looking, basically, in the backyard of the house. They've had cadaver dogs there. They've come across, actually, several bones. At this point, they don't know if those bones are animal or human. But they've been sifting through the backyard. There's been so much debris back there, it's really been taking all this time just to get the whole place cleared out.

What we saw yesterday was quite compelling as well. The first time we've actually seen the inside of this house. And we've seen the backyard and the series of tents and sheds. Well, inside, it doesn't look any better. You're seeing dishes that haven't been washed, stacked up in the sink, discarded furniture, discarded appliances.

And this is the kind of life that Jaycee Dugard was exposed to for nearly 20 years.

MCGRAW: Let's look at the timing, Dan. I know you've been all over this case. We've watched you so closely as you've brought this information to us. We know that he gets out of jail. And at the time he gets out, we begin to see this pattern. Michaela Garecht in September of '88 is abducted. Ilene Misheloff in '89 gets abducted. And then Jaycee Dugard in '91.

Is the timing one of the big reasons that they're looking at this? Michaela was nine. Ilene was 13. Jaycee was 11. They happened in '88, '89, and '91.

SIMON: Absolutely. We know that he got off jail approximately in 1988 after serving 11 years of a 50-year prison sentence for committing a rape back in 1976. But you're right, the timing is a coincidence here. Well, maybe not. That's what authorities want to look at.

But in particular, as it relates to the Michaela Garecht case, police are really looking at that case closely, really for a couple of reasons. First of all, if you look at Jaycee Dugard, she was 11, and Michaela Garecht, she was nine. You put them side by side, they're almost identical. Both have blond hair, blue eyes. Very similar in appearance. Perhaps there is an MO there.

Secondly, you look at Philip Garrido and you look at the composite sketch of the subject back when that took place, some 20- years-ago, and police say there's a striking resemblance between Phillip Garrido and the composite sketch.

And finally, there was a witness to what happened back when Michaela Garecht was abducted. She said abducted near a supermarket. She has looked at this car that was taken off the Garrido property. And she says, you know, that looks a lot like the car that I remember my friend being taken away in.

So there's a lot to look at here. And of course, that's why cops are back out at the house.

MCGRAW: OK, Dan, I want you to stay with us if you can. When we come back, we're going to talk to the mother of one of the still- missing girls, and to the woman who witnessed the actual abduction when she was a child two decades ago. We'll talk to them when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCGRAW: You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. I'm Dr. Phil McGraw, sitting in for Larry tonight. Sharon Murch is joining us. Her daughter, Michaela, was kidnapped in 1988. Sharon, as you've watched this unfold, is it eerily similar to what happened to your daughter?

SHARON MURCH, MOTHER OF KIDNAPPED DAUGHTER: Well, yes, there are a lot of similarities between Jaycee's kidnapping and Michaela's kidnapping. The cases have intersected in the investigations over the years because of those similarities. And when Jaycee was found alive, my first thought was, please, god, let Michaela be with her.

MCGRAW: And, of course, we know that she wasn't with her. Has there ever been an arrest or an active suspect in the case of Michaela?

MURCH: There have been a number of suspects. The police have investigating over 13,000 leads in the last 20 years. But there have never been any arrests.

MCGRAW: Do you still hold out hope that she's alive?

MURCH: I do still hold out hope that she's alive. One of the neighbors of the Garrido's several years ago reported that there were girls living in the backyard, and they reported that there were not three girls living in the backyard, but five girls. So that leaves two unaccounted for. And I'm believing that one of those could be Michaela.

MCGRAW: Katrina Rodriguez is joining us. She was with Michaela Garecht and witnessed her kidnapping. Katrina, this has got to bring an awful lot back to you when you hear about the way in which Jaycee was reportedly kidnapped.

KATRINA RODRIGUEZ, WITNESS TO KIDNAPPING: Yes, it sounds remarkably like Michaela's kidnapping. Broad daylight, shoved into a car. And with her kidnapping, I believe there was a witness too.

MCGRAW: Are you the one that provided the description to the police?

RODRIGUEZ: Yes.

MCGRAW: And you remember the car. Tell us what you remember about the car that she was pulled into.

RODRIGUEZ: It was early '80s, maybe late '70s, kind of boxy, a sedan, and tan in color. And photos I've seen of the Garrido's car, they -- it looks like the same shape of car. I can't vouch for the color. It doesn't match my memory. But the shape of the car matches.

MCGRAW: People might wonder, of course, why would they have that car 30 years later. But I have to tell you, from a psychological perspective, when I see the photos from inside the house, it is highly suggestive that these people may be hoarders, that just can't turn loose of anything. They collect things that are obviously junk to someone else, but that they can't turn loose of.

If that's the case, if these pictures of the house do depict some type of unwillingness or inability to turn loose of things, it might explain why that car was still there, if, in fact, it is the same car. When you see -- Katrina, when you see pictures of Phillip Garrido, what do you think? Does it ring any bells with you?

RODRIGUEZ: I've seen some photos of him from the late '70s and early '80s, and I have to say that it looks a lot like my memory of the kidnapper, especially the eyes. But the shape of the face, length of it, kind of the placement of his eyes apart from each other, and everything just kind of seems to match up. And I haven't really gone on record as saying that very often.

MCGRAW: Well, yes, clearly, that's got to be a compelling image for you to see, because I know it was traumatic for you at the time as well. We're going to have Katrina tell us more about that fateful day and talk more to Sharon when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCGRAW: I'm Dr. Phil, sitting in for Larry King tonight. Right now, we are talking about Jaycee Dugard's kidnapping and her release. Dan Simon is with us. Dan, you've been on top of this case from the beginning. What's the mood in the neighborhood up there?

SIMON: Well, I think people are pretty upset that the authorities didn't, you know, discover this case a lot sooner. We actually spoke to a neighbor. His girlfriend called the police some three years ago. She looked over the fence of their property, saw some tents, saw some children living in the backyard, picked up the phone, dialed 911.

Sheriff's office came out, talked to Phillip Garrido for a few minutes and then left. So I think when you walk through the streets of that neighborhood, people are angry, saying, why didn't police, you know, catch this guy a lot sooner?

MCGRAW: Dan, one of the things I wanted to ask you -- and I'm sure you've talked to law enforcement, both on and off the record. But I know next Thursday on my show, we're doing a story about the Wessen family that was in Fresno and wound up with very similar situation. The father that had daughters living in tents, had sex with daughters that yielded children. And when he was confronted by police, he killed every one that was home, shooting them all in the head.

Is this something that was averted? While law enforcement seemed to drop the ball on one hand, they were terribly alert on the other in recognizing that something was going on, to avoid what could have been a tragic outcome, like the one we're going to talk about on Thursday.

SIMON: Well, clearly Phillip Garrido, if the allegations are true, had an unbelievable ability to keep this secret for so many years. He had to meet with his parole officer a couple of times a month. We know that the children and Jaycee Dugard were visible with him at times. That backyard was there for many, many years. Apparently, only a few neighbors saw it.

So he had really an incredible ability to keep this double life from coming out.

MCGRAW: Well, Sharon, let me ask you, have you talked to Jaycee Dugard?

MURCH: No, I haven't.

MCGRAW: Because I would -- you know, I would think that it would be such a wonderful opportunity. Maybe they crossed paths in some ways. It's possible that Jaycee knew your daughter or saw your daughter or knows something about her. I'm sure you must just be really, really anxious to ask those questions.

MURCH: I think it is possible, but Jaycee was not Jaycee at the time that she lived with Phillip Garrido. She was Alyssa. So if she had crossed paths with Michaela, she may not have even known it.

MCGRAW: But if she could be shown some pictures, if she could, you know, talk with you, get some descriptions, some things that she might recognize, that would just be so helpful. And we just wish you so much goodwill with all of this, and hope that something comes up.

More with Katrina and Sharon after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWS BREAK)

MCGRAW: We're here talking about the Jaycee Dugard case, really from a different angle, because there are two other disappearances that happened along that time, about that time. And so now there is real suspicion that he may have been involved in those disappearances. Maybe so, maybe not. But there are some similarities.

Sharon Murch, mother of one of the missing girls, Michaela Garecht, is with us, and Katrina Rodriguez, who was with Michaela at the time she was abducted. Katrina, let me start with you. Were you and Michaela the same age?

RODRIGUEZ: Yes, we were both in the fourth grade.

MCGRAW: OK. And tell us what happened that day. You were walking down the -- how did it happen? I know there were some scooters involved.

RODRIGUEZ: Yes. We rode scooters a couple blocks from our house to the local supermarket. And we went inside. We got some soda and some beef jerky and Laffy Taffy. And we started to leave the building. We walked to the edge of the parking lot, and then realized we had left the scooters. And we went back to the front door to look for where we had parked them.

And one of them was missing. Michaela was the first to notice where the other scooter was. And so she went to go pick it up. And as I stooped down to pick up the other scooter, I heard screaming. And I looked up and I saw a man shoving her into his car.

And he got in the car. He pulled out of the parking spot, out of the parking lot, and on to the road. And that's when I ran inside to tell a clerk. And she called 911. MCGRAW: So you knew right away this was all wrong. I mean you could -- you knew it was not -- that this was not supposed to be happening?

RODRIGUEZ: Yes. But it took a little while to register. I definitely wasn't expecting it, so I just stood frozen watching it until he had gotten out to the road. And then I ran in. But, yes, I definitely knew something was very wrong.

MCGRAW: What's been your reaction with all this coming out now with Jaycee Dugard?

RODRIGUEZ: I have got a lot of hope renewed. And then just there's renewed feelings of guilt and sadness that it was Michaela who was kidnapped. I mean, obviously I'm thankful for my life and what I've had and experienced. But I'm very sad that Michaela didn't.

MCGRAW: How has it affected you over the years that you saw such a traumatic thing?

RODRIGUEZ: I would say I'm a little more apt to take responsibility for things maybe that really aren't my fault. I'm a pretty over-protective mom, I'd say. And, yes, I -- I definitely have fears that people are going to come after me and my children.

MCGRAW: It's very understandable. Sharon, what is it that you want people in America, around the world, and certainly in that area to know about Michaela and about your hopes?

MURCH: I would like to address Michaela. I'm hoping that she's out there alive, and she's able to see me, and able to hear my voice. I just want to tell her that there's nothing that could have happened over the last 20 years that could have changed my feelings for her. There's nothing that could have happened over the last 20 years that we cannot heal. And I am just begging her to break free and come home.

If she's not willing to do it for herself, do it for me, please. Because going through this and wondering where my daughter is and what she might be experiencing or what she might have experienced is really hard. And I just really long to have the experience that Jaycee's mother has had of being reunited, and being able to hold her in my arms again. I just want her to come home.

MCGRAW: Sharon, we'll all pray for you. Thank you. And Katrina, thank you. We'll wrap it up after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCGRAW: The question on everybody's mind is Philip Garrido involved in some of the other disappearances that we've been talking about tonight. Dan Simon, you've been in Antioch. You've been all over this. Experts that follow these things with pedophiles and sexual offenders tell us that the average sexual offender can have anywhere 100 to 400 victims throughout their lifetime. So the fact that Philip Garrido has been tied to one that we know of and a violent rape before leaves an awful lot of concern that there are other victims out there. What does law enforcement think about this?

SIMON: Dr. Phil, I've often heard you say the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. But in terms of what authorities are saying, the bottom line is they don't know if he's connected to these other cases. That's why they're spending so much time out at the house.

We can tell that you starting on Monday, police are going to be back out there looking at the soil. They're going to be digging it up. We know that a couple of cadaver dogs picked up a scent. They zeroed in on one particular area. They brought out magnetometers today and they confirmed that there is something unusual beneath the soil.

I think once they go in there and dig up that yard a little bit more, perhaps it might yield a few more answers. You mentioned that they didn't throw anything away, that they showed classic signs of being hoarders. When it comes to this particular case. that might be an asset. Because if you didn't throw anything away, there might be evidence in the house that might tie into some of these other crimes.

MCGRAW: Well, if they are hoarders, and it certainly looks like they're pack rats, then hopefully there will be clues in there, something that will tie back to some other cases. Because, as I say, there are a number of those that -- there is such a high number that these people usually victimize. It doesn't mean that they're violent with all of them. But they do have more than one victim typically. So maybe we'll learn something about that as we go along.

Dan, I'm sure you'll keep us posted on all that. You know, we've seen pictures tonight of the young girls. It's hard to age them in your mind. But if anybody knows anything about it, you know, please contact the authorities. Let us know.

I really enjoyed sitting in with Larry tonight. This isn't a fun topic, but it's one I know you're interested in. So I hope I see you next week on "Dr. Phil." We have the Dr. Phil family back after five years on Monday. We'll be looking at a very similar case to this on Wednesday.

So I hope to see you there. And thanks for the time that you spent with us here tonight. I know Larry will be back Monday. It will be great. So appreciate it."

I missed Larry King last night as we had company for dinner. But, on the weekends, Saturday and Sunday, they repeat programs that were done during the previous week. Let's hope that last night's programs is one that's repeated this weekend. I'll be watching tonight and tomorrow night.

[Californian]

The other thing that has struck me as odd about this case is that no current images of Jaycee, even blurred ones, have been released to re-assure the general public that she is indeed ok. And allmost no information outside of third party (mostly outdated) sources. Do they want people to continue thinking of her as an 11 year old child in the 90s for some reason?

Why not let the public continue to think of her as an 11 year old girl? I don't see any harm in it. Whereas, if they release a current image of Jaycee - even a blurred one - it would just feed the thirst and cause people to want more, more, more.

The public can, and has been, re-assured she is "okay" vocally (as ok as one can be in her situation). We shouldn't need any more than that.

Jaycee deserves anonymity. There is no need to release any kind of media image of her (imo). I can just picture the hordes of photographers (professional and stalkerazzi) who would surround and hound her for pictures, thus creating a bidding war by the tabloids and frenzied attention Jaycee and her family just don't need.

Let's allow her and her family all the peace, quiet, privacy, respect and dignity we can give.

[Natal]

No, you are wrong. She still in a prison, just different jailors this time.

[JulieNMM]

Whoa. That is a very, very strange statement.

What does Sharon Murch KNOW or, rather, what has she been told by law enforcement officials about Jaycee? Was Jaycee so traumatized that her personality "split", so to speak? Sounds like things are far, far, far from "normal" at the moment . . . sounds almost like deprogramming is needed.

Even, if, let's say, Michaela was there at the Garrido house and was introduced by another name, Michaela would still be "herself" . . . and would be recognizable from a photo, I would think.



But Jayce, when abducted, most likely didn't know about Michaela (hadn't heard the story of her abduction and seen her picture from 2 years earlier). So if she saw another girl somewhere, like being held prisoner, she wouldn't have known who it was (a girl who was kidnapped 2 years ago).

Since JC's name was changed, probably Michaela's was too (if she had been kidnapped by PG). So if JC ran across a girl during her 18 years, she wouldn't know if it were Michaela or not. That's what I think Murch meant.

JULIE

[MBK]

As a side note, I remember reading that report from the neighbor who claimed that there were many girls/women there, but only 5 "core" ones. I tried looking for it yesterday but couldn't find it. Does anyone remember the source? I assume that is the one Michaela's mom was referring to. It would be interesting to see what the exact wording and context was.

Here we go - -

Erika Pratt, 25, who stayed next door two years ago, said she was "freaked out" by Garrido's behaviour, and when she popped her head over the fence she saw his secret compound. There were tents, sheds and pitbull terriers, she said, and water hoses leading from her house next door.

"He had little girls and women living in that backyard, and they all looked kind of the same," Pratt told the San Francisco Chronicle. "They never talked, and they kept to themselves."

Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.

Pratt said she had called Contra Costa County sheriff's deputies to investigate, but that officers "told me they couldn't go inside because they didn't have a warrant".
from:
Jaycee Lee Dugard 'feels guilt over bond with kidnap suspect' Phillip GarridoWoman found 18 years after being kidnapped feels terrible guilt for forming emotional attachment with captor, says stepfather
By Mark Tran and David Batty guardian.co.uk, Friday 28 August 2009 18.03 BST http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

[MBK]

No, you are wrong. She still in a prison, just different jailors this time.

Do you feel like extrapolating on this? It's a powerful thought, and I'd like to know more.

[Californian]

No, you are wrong. She still in a prison, just different jailors this time.

What are you trying to say? Please expand on your thoughts so we don't have to read between the lines.

[MBK]

But Jayce, when abducted, most likely didn't know about Michaela (hadn't heard the story of her abduction and seen her picture from 2 years earlier). So if she saw another girl somewhere, like being held prisoner, she wouldn't have known who it was (a girl who was kidnapped 2 years ago).

Since JC's name was changed, probably Michaela's was too (if she had been kidnapped by PG). So if JC ran across a girl during her 18 years, she wouldn't know if it were Michaela or not. That's what I think Murch meant.

JULIE

I'm sure that if Jaycee had ever met Michaela under such circumstances, her image would have burned itself into her soul. I don't think you'd ever really forget meeting another child there, in that hellhole. Ever. The image would be there, seared into your mind, even if the memory is repressed. It would be there.

[mysteriew]

I hate to even suspect, let alone state this, however there is a very high probavility that if PG did kidnap Michaela also, that she may have never met Jaycee. In my mind I keep thinking about NG's statements about forced sex, pain. It makes me wonder if things just went to far and therefore a "replacement" was needed. Gruesome thought.

The thing that gives me hope however is the fact that the neighbor saw 5 or 6 girls, that were the "core group". To me that would show that she must have made observations more than one time!

Since this was documented by a police visit I tend to believe her story as she had no reason whatsoever to lie about the situation.

Dr. Doogie I have the same questions about the PD's expenses related to this case. They have stated a lot of new tips had been coming in. I wonder if some of those led to these investigations?

Sharon Murch is a desperate Mother, who has suffered yet another disappointment. I truly believe that her message had nothing to do with ANY involvement in her daughters kidnapping and everything to do with wanting resolution.

I agree. Two girls would have increased the risk. One child is easier to control, easier to scare. Two children there is a chance that they would bond (which would interfere with PG's bond), be supportive of each other and give each other courage. Who knows what they might have done together.

I am also afraid that there won't be any other survivors in the PG case. Whether or not there were other victims, whether or not Jaycee was aware of any other victims I think is the best we can expect to find out.

We don't know how fragile Jaycee is at present. We don't know where she is in her therapy. We know she cooperated with LE at one point, because she told them her own name. We also know that LE took her back to the scene and walked around telling them things that happened there. If and that is a big if, anything has changed since that time I would guess that it was nothing more than she needed time and more therapy before she could proceed. I don't believe there will be any rush, because I believe if Jaycee knows anything about other victims, finding them will be more for closure for their families and not for rescue.

[Natal]

What are you trying to say? Please expand on your thoughts so we don't have to read between the lines.

There is a certain irony I think. She can't do as she pleases, she is hidden, and others make decisions for her. I'm sure the decor has improved, but in other ways things haven't changed too much.

[my2sisters]

There is a certain irony I think. She can't do as she pleases, she is hidden, and others make decisions for her. I'm sure the decor has improved, but in other ways things haven't changed too much.

WHAT?!!!! Everything has changed! There is NOTHING the same other than her 2 daughters being with her. I know what you're saying, but you are so wrong!

[westerncolorado]

As far as all of the girls go: I have not heard or seen any substantiated facts about there being any girls other than Jaycee, Starlite and Angel. I have never read anything about 4 girls or anything like that. If there are links, then please show me. However, if they are just quotes from Cheyvonne Molino, don't bother, I won't believe her. I believe that if Jaycee saw or heard any other girls, like Ilene or Michaela, they would not be easily forgotten and in her secure and safe environment now, she WILL help LE, I'm sure with anything she can remember. No, the palm print did not match, but that doesn't mean anything. I have read through CNN that yet ANOTHER bone was found on Friday. This Animal, Philip Garrido is in deep S***! If you have any links that mention any other girls other than Jaycee or her daughters, please share, cuz I have never seen them, thanks!

[westerncolorado]

Sorry I have been so indignant, but it has never been properly verified by a reputable news source that they brought Jycee back in the middle of the night to show them around. I believe that no one would EVER make her do that, especially when she went through so much! Elizabeth Smart did, but after MUCH therapy and guidance. Most of this crap is coming from the "extreme" tabloids, especially out of the country. JMHO!!!!

[westerncolorado]

Wow, I am mad tonight, so please forgive this rant, but: I believe that somehow, IF there were other girls involved other than her children, than Jaycee was obviously the "favored one" who got to stay alive and be the muse for Garrido. "IF" he did away with others. There must have been something about Jaycee that appealed to him above all others if he were indeed involved with other helpless girls.

[nobody2]

Whoa. That is a very, very strange statement.

What does Sharon Murch KNOW or, rather, what has she been told by law enforcement officials about Jaycee? Was Jaycee so traumatized that her personality "split", so to speak? Sounds like things are far, far, far from "normal" at the moment . . . sounds almost like deprogramming is needed.

Even, if, let's say, Michaela was there at the Garrido house and was introduced by another name, Michaela would still be "herself" . . . and would be recognizable from a photo, I would think.



I agree. Sharon Murch's plea is odd. It sounds like something you'd say to a girl who ran away, rather than one who was kidnapped.

Judging from the passage on Sharon Murch's blog (which was noted here yesterday), and from this interview with Dr. Phil, I would guess that law enforcement has suggested to her that the girls were made to do . .. unspeakable . .. horrifying things.

Jaycee's recovery will be a long, hard road. Please pray right now as you are reading this that she will come to know in her heart and soul that nothing she did, nothing that happened to her, was ever, ever her fault, and that she will heal and realize the promise of her life.

I actually don't find Sharon Murch's plea very odd. She's hoping against hope that her daughter was alive like Jaycee, and knows that if she is, whether she was ever with Garrido or anyone else, she is probably in at least as difficult a mindset or situation as Jaycee is and was. Jaycee now a woman of 29 (Michaela a little older) and feeling apparently resigned to her situation, even committed to it, in her way. She was, after all, "brought up" by Garrido and as her stepfather said, she's now feeling a bit guilty about the bond and that it was "a sort of marriage." So let's say you are Murch wishing your daughter is out there somewhere - you want her to know, that regardless of anything that happened to her or how she lives her life today, she is not "damaged goods" to her family, they will open their arms to her and she does not need to feel shame or reluctance to come forward. I think if I were Murch thinking there was a smidgen of hope that my daughter was alive and could hear me, I would just want to use the opportunity of this media coverage to say "no matter what, I love you" and I think that's all Mrs. Murch was trying to get at. Poor thing.

[westerncolorado]

Okay, so I read above that Erika Pratt, the then girlfriend to the next door neighbor saw two four -year-olds in addition to Jaycee and an 11 year old and 15 year old. Still , nothing by LE has expounded on this. Yes, Pratt was sharp and reported Garrido, but there is not any more evidence about two four-year olds! As for Michaela's mom on Larry King Live last night: I read nothing overt or subliminal in her message to her daughter. It was just a plain ordinary plea stating that: "It doesn't matter, honey, what you were forced to do or whatever, I will always love you." She's just letting her know that she loves her child no matter what. I don't believe she knows any more than we do at this point. Just a heartbroken, desperate mom doing anything to get her baby back.

[LinasK]

Okay, so I read above that Erika Pratt, the then girlfriend to the next door neighbor saw two four -year-olds in addition to Jaycee and an 11 year old and 15 year old. Still , nothing by LE has expounded on this. Yes, Pratt was sharp and reported Garrido, but there is not any more evidence about two four-year olds! As for Michaela's mom on Larry King Live last night: I read nothing overt or subliminal in her message to her daughter. It was just a plain ordinary plea stating that: "It doesn't matter, honey, what you were forced to do or whatever, I will always love you." She's just letting her know that she loves her child no matter what. I don't believe she knows any more than we do at this point. Just a heartbroken, desperate mom doing anything to get her baby back.
My fear is the potential grave the cadaver dogs hit upon maybe that of the younger girls...

[westerncolorado]

I Know, I just have such trouble wrapping my head around the Jycee and her girls trauma as it is, but to "do away with others" as well? I just can't bear it! How in the living hell is Jaycee bearing it? My god! I hope she has a lot of professional help!

[LinasK]

I'm waiting with baited breath for the results of Monday's news conferences. I want so much for the Misheloff family to have closure. I see her father regularly in my neighborhood and I feel so helpless when I see him, I don't know what to say and it creeps me out to learn the abduction took place in my community, in areas we frequent.

[mysteriew]

No, you are wrong. She still in a prison, just different jailors this time.

LOL, I prefer to think of where she is now a halfway house/treatment facility. It could even be an assisted living facility. She most likely can and does receive visitors and go places. But she is getting intensive support and treatment, with easy access to assistance if there are problems.

[westerncolorado]

For all the parents involved, I feel so much empathy and sympathy! Psychosis or not! That BASTERD has ruined the lives of so many!

[Dr. Doogie]

I received a clarification from Sharon Murch concerning the palmprint. The only thing for sure that be concluded about the palmprint is that it was not from Michaela or another family member. It may be from the kidnapper or some other adult who may have touched the scooter. Obviously, a match to a suspect would be a strong confirmation of that person'ss guilt, but a non-match should not be used to rule out a suspect.

[Bibliophile]

LOL, I prefer to think of where she is now a halfway house/treatment facility. It could even be an assisted living facility. She most likely can and does receive visitors and go places. But she is getting intensive support and treatment, with easy access to assistance if there are problems.

Given the bizarre nature of this case, it is almost like protective custody. From the very beginning, a very sharp, quick thinking individual close to this case took the initiative to protect Jaycee and the girls from the media. As victim advocates we owe this person a deep debt of gratitude.

A safe house was arranged where a reunion could occur and healing and readjustment could begin. Everything we've seen regarding Jaycee has been carefully orchestrated. The step-father was immediately appointed the spokesperson because he was away from the situation, could be trusted to follow instructions in Jaycee's best interest and trusted not to be bribed. The aunt was also safe; again, like the stepfather, giving out just enough information to keep the dogs off and evoke public support and sympathy that would further pressure the media not to pursue. Make no mistake, Jaycee's entire family has been professionally guided and coached about the media. God bless the people who have stepped in to do this.

Without this highly guarded privacy, there would be no hope for Jaycee and her children to ever have even an inkling of a normal life.

As much as I may be curious, I hope we never see her face. Or if we do, I hope we have no idea who the smiling blond woman is.

[Natal]

Okay, so I read above that Erika Pratt, the then girlfriend to the next door neighbor saw two four -year-olds in addition to Jaycee and an 11 year old and 15 year old. Still , nothing by LE has expounded on this. Yes, Pratt was sharp and reported Garrido, but there is not any more evidence about two four-year olds! As for Michaela's mom on Larry King Live last night: I read nothing overt or subliminal in her message to her daughter. It was just a plain ordinary plea stating that: "It doesn't matter, honey, what you were forced to do or whatever, I will always love you." She's just letting her know that she loves her child no matter what. I don't believe she knows any more than we do at this point. Just a heartbroken, desperate mom doing anything to get her baby back.

One observation about the neighbors report, if she was the one that called it in, that was about three years ago, so the ages would be all wrong. That point makes the details a little suspect. However, assuming it is right, if Jaycee looked young for her age (and I assume all of these girls behaved like younger kids than they really were), the "15 year old" may have been her, with two of the younger ones being her children. That would still allow for another adult and another young child.

[Natal]

The step-father was immediately appointed the spokesperson because he was away from the situation, could be trusted to follow instructions in Jaycee's best interest and trusted not to be bribed.

I think the step father appointed himself as the spokesperson. I'm guessing he took on that role when she was kidnapped, but he is separated from Jaycee's mom now. He got told some personal stuff initially, but was cut out of the loop very early on. My read on that was that the family wasn't too thrilled about him blabbing to reporters.

[MBK]

LOL, I prefer to think of where she is now a halfway house/treatment facility. It could even be an assisted living facility. She most likely can and does receive visitors and go places. But she is getting intensive support and treatment, with easy access to assistance if there are problems.

I am confused. I thought she and her daughters were now living with Jaycee's mother at her house in Riverside, CA (?). How do you know how much therapy she is receiving, how often, and who is offering her assistance?

[JulieNMM]

The mother's home is in Riverside (Southern California -- 6-8 hour drive away) but I think they are all still in the Bay Area in a secluded house location.

I think the comment about JC still being in another type of prison means that she still isn't completely "free"; she probably can't just walk around in public and act like a normal person. She hasn't healed enough to have a normal life. JMO.

[Leila]

I think the step father appointed himself as the spokesperson. I'm guessing he took on that role when she was kidnapped, but he is separated from Jaycee's mom now. He got told some personal stuff initially, but was cut out of the loop very early on. My read on that was that the family wasn't too thrilled about him blabbing to reporters.

I note that the step-father, Carl, has quickly dropped out of the media. He initially did a lot of interviews with the media and then suddenly, nothing. In one of the interviews it became obvious that he hadn't had any contact with Jaycee's mom since early on, shortly after she was reunited with Jaycee. At that time he had not seen or spoken to Jaycee. Then there was the interview with Jaycee's aunt, Tina.

I find myself wondering if Carl's media interviews were done with the approval of Jaycee's mother, Terry, or if Carl did those interviews on his own and without approval?

[LinasK]

I note that the step-father, Carl, has quickly dropped out of the media. He initially did a lot of interviews with the media and then suddenly, nothing. In one of the interviews it became obvious that he hadn't had any contact with Jaycee's mom since early on, shortly after she was reunited with Jaycee. At that time he had not seen or spoken to Jaycee. Then there was the interview with Jaycee's aunt, Tina.

I find myself wondering if Carl's media interviews were done with the approval of Jaycee's mother, Terry, or if Carl did those interviews on his own and without approval?
I'm hoping he's allowed to re-connect with Jaycee. He's been through alot of unfair accusations, he attempted to go after the Garrido's, and he gave very accurate descriptions of them!

[mysteriew]

I am confused. I thought she and her daughters were now living with Jaycee's mother at her house in Riverside, CA (?). How do you know how much therapy she is receiving, how often, and who is offering her assistance?

We don't really know where she is. Hints in the media indicate that she initally stayed in a motel, then they said she was in seclusion. She could be at her mother's home, but I would guess that media are probably still staking that out.

When she went to the home with LE her therapist went with her. That leads me to believe that she is recieving emotional assistance. There will be a need for therapy not only for Jaycee, but also for her daughters.

Early on media reports indicated that they were looking for the best way to ease Jaycee and her girls back into the public. Media indicated that they would probably look to the Fritzel case for ideas. That girl went to a kind of halfway house and was given privacy, intensive therapy and lots of support. Something tells me that whatever the arrangements are for Jaycee and her girls, she is getting nothing less.

[Natal]

In one of the interviews it became obvious that he hadn't had any contact with Jaycee's mom since early on, shortly after she was reunited with Jaycee. At that time he had not seen or spoken to Jaycee.

That would be the Larry King show they dedicated to the Jaycee story. You could allmost see the guy squirming in his seat when King asked him if he had any further updates, and he had to admit that he hadn't spoken to them for a couple of days. It was pretty obvious what was going down, I felt kind of sorry for him but to be fair, he should have known better.

[Natal]

We don't really know where she is. Hints in the media indicate that she initally stayed in a motel, then they said she was in seclusion. She could be at her mother's home, but I would guess that media are probably still staking that out.



The last we heard, she was in an FBI safehouse. I imagine they will keep her there at least until the investigation is done for evidentiary purposes, to prevent contamination from news sources. Once the investigation is done, it will be up to the family to take care of her.

That is probably when the media will hunt her down, they can't really do it now because a guy with a badge will get in their face.

[Openmind]

The last we heard, she was in an FBI safehouse. I imagine they will keep her there at least until the investigation is done for evidentiary purposes, to prevent contamination from news sources. Once the investigation is done, it will be up to the family to take care of her.

That is probably when the media will hunt her down, they can't really do it now because a guy with a badge will get in their face.


If the family wants to stay out of the press, they can accomplish that. From their initial response and their lack of interest to give updates or interviews, I think they just might decide to keep it that way. I am sure they could "sell" this story for a large sum of money, but at what price to their privacy is hard to guess. I would think just being together, recovering, moving on is more important to them right now than any amount of money.

It really is quite horrible to imagine the press "hunting" her down, isn't it? I bet those that know them best will do all they can to protect them.

[Natal]

It really is quite horrible to imagine the press "hunting" her down, isn't it? I bet those that know them best will do all they can to protect them.

Yes, but it is what will happen. It is in their best interests to manage that process IMO. Just running and hiding will end up being more damaging to them in the long run I think.

[Californian]

Here is Friday's news conference.

If any of you are active You Tube users, please consider giving these videos a rating and/or leave a comment to let the channel owner there is interest if he puts these up. He is some kind of satellite installer or something; I think the equipment he uses to capture these videos gives us a great quality and I'd like to encourage him to keep posting them. (Mods: if this violates a TOS, I will gladly remove this paragraph. Thanks)

Parts 1 & 2:

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/18/09


YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/18/09 part 2

[Californian]

Here are a couple of links to the news stations that have been live streaming the daily briefings. As of Friday, Lt. Orrey said they would continue the new schedule of two daily briefings, at 9 am (PT) and 4 pm (PT), and the next one is Monday morning.

http://www.kron.com/

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181

[Dr. Doogie]

Evidently, this morning a different cadaver dog has indicated on the same general area where the previous dogs indicated and ground penetrating radar indicated a disturbance. They will start digging in this area today.

I think that this may be the day when things get very bad... :(

[westerncolorado]

Oh, No! I agree with you, not good

[JDB]

Evidently, this morning a different cadaver dog has indicated on the same general area where the previous dogs indicated and ground penetrating radar indicated a disturbance. They will start digging in this area today.

I think that this may be the day when things get very bad... :(

I just read the dog today is trained in old Bones. I agree today is not going to be for the weak of heart in any way shape or form.:furious:

[songline]

Channel 4 to air Jaycee Lee Dugard documentary
Monday 21 September 2009 14.13 BST

The Jaycee Lee Story will air on Thursday 1 October at 9pm on Channel 4.

Captive for 18 Years:
Documentary on Californian woman freed after over 18 years in captivity to air early next month as
part of Cutting Edge strand
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...gard-channel-4

Chennal 4 is to air a fast-turnaround documentary on the kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard, the Californian woman freed in August after over 18 years in captivity.

The documentary features "the first full-length interview" with Dugard's stepfather Carl Probyn, the prime suspect in the case since the 11-year-old Dugard's kidnap in 1991 until the arrest last month of her kidnapper, Phillip Garrido, with whom she fathered two children.

Captive for 18 Years: The Jaycee Lee Story, the first documentary broadcast in the latest run of flagship Channel 4 documentary strand Cutting Edge, is being made by Question Time producer Mentorn Media.

Dugard's case, which for 18 years had been one of America's most notorious unsolved crimes, was compared in the world's media with that of Natascha Kampusch, who was held prisoner in a dungeon in Austria for more than eight years.

Her discovery caused controversy due to her apparent development of Stockholm syndrome, as a result of which she may have become emotionally attached to her kidnapper, Garrido.

The programme also features interviews with classmates of Dugard as well as her headmistress, and "exclusive interviews with neighbours and business associates of Philip Garrido who reveal that in the months before the discovery, Garrido spoke about his 'conversations with God' and how a big event was coming that would change the world".

Captive for 18 Years was commissioned by Channel 4's Mark Raphael. Steve Anderson will be executive producer for Mentorn Media.

Anderson said: "We have been working on the ground in California ever since Jaycee Lee Dugard was found living in the tents and sheds in the compound belonging to her kidnapper, Phillip Garrido.

"We are piecing together the key elements of an incredible story. The more we discover, the more unbelievable it is."

[Leila]

I'm hoping he's allowed to re-connect with Jaycee. He's been through alot of unfair accusations, he attempted to go after the Garrido's, and he gave very accurate descriptions of them!

I hope so too! Carl was subjected to a lot of accusations over the years. The police made the assumption that he did something to Jaycee. Eventually, his marriage broke up and I'm sure it was due to the stress of all that happened. I'm sure that for Carl, learning that Jaycee was alive was a tremendous weight lifted from his shoulders.

It would be nice if he and Terry were eventually reunited. It would be a positive new beginning.

[Californian]

Tuning in to the 4 pm briefing on http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181 (with the live chat option).

alternative: http://www.kron.com/

[songline]

I hope so too! Carl was subjected to a lot of accusations over the years. The police made the assumption that he did something to Jaycee. Eventually, his marriage broke up and I'm sure it was due to the stress of all that happened. I'm sure that for Carl, learning that Jaycee was alive was a tremendous weight lifted from his shoulders.

It would be nice if he and Terry were eventually reunited. It would be a positive new beginning.

Yes poor guy was a suspect, his marriage went through the ringer his wife was distraught, his career
often on hold, and they did try hard to make a go of it but couldn't; yet they did remain really close friends, I hope with JC's return they just may rekindle what they had in the first place. :beats:
That should be in the movie. Oh I love happy endings and they always make me cry.

[songline]

We don't really know where she is. Hints in the media indicate that she initally stayed in a motel, then they said she was in seclusion. She could be at her mother's home, but I would guess that media are probably still staking that out.

When she went to the home with LE her therapist went with her. That leads me to believe that she is recieving emotional assistance. There will be a need for therapy not only for Jaycee, but also for her daughters.

Early on media reports indicated that they were looking for the best way to ease Jaycee and her girls back into the public. Media indicated that they would probably look to the Fritzel case for ideas. That girl went to a kind of halfway house and was given privacy, intensive therapy and lots of support. Something tells me that whatever the arrangements are for Jaycee and her girls, she is getting nothing less.BBM
They are in the Bay area in a secluded home - a secret hide away.

Certainly I can understand why they would not go home to her moms house - the paparazzi would have a field day.
I am so happy it has been handled so graciously. It is good for my heart to see that they have a staff and are cared for now.
I never read about a half way house. I read they are getting De-programed and are well taken care of emotionally and mentally.
Are fed similar to the ways they used to eat. Have all the comforts they had not known before while they are learning the real world, they live in a rented house with staff for security, not a half way house.
BUT in a way perhaps you can call it that.

I imagine they will always need privacy, and maybe her mom's house is to small and needs to be sold.
Maybe she can whisk JC to that house in the night with security, just so she can see it and then put it on the sell marker and get one much bigger. They will always need privacy and nobody needs to know where they really are.

[MBK]

Can anyone update us on today's 4 pm News Conference? Missed it, and it's not up yet.

Thanks!

[Californian]

I missed most of it, too, MBK. My computer chose that time to shut down, grrrrrr. I will ask that YouTube satellite guy (psb2usa) to put up the video ASAP if he captured it, and will post it in this thread if he does.

One thing I caught at the end of the conference, there will not be a 9am briefing tomorrow, only the 4 pm.

[songline]

Dirt Turned In Yard Near Garrido Home
YouTube - Dirt Turned In Yard Near Garrido Home

[Leila]

Thanks Songline!

I agree with what the news commentator said........"it's as if LE has a pretty good idea of what they're looking for." In other words, they're acting on a tip or another piece of evidence has led them to this excavation.

[Californian]

Dirt Turned In Yard Near Garrido Home
YouTube - Dirt Turned In Yard Near Garrido Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vSlZJXZHls)

Wow! That dig area, which appears to be from this morning, is really close to the neighbor's house. Just pointing this out because I was thinking they were digging farther back on the property. Thanks for posting this, Songline!

[songline]

I knew when they bought the radar machines that they were going to be seriously looking today.
I think they said that there will not be a 9 AM report tomorrow but there will be another 4 PM report tomorrow.

YES I also noticed that they were digging very close to the house.

[Californian]

Our new friend at YouTube already has the videos up for us from this afternoon's press conference!

Part 1 and 2:

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/21/09

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/21/09

Michaela's mom, Sharon Murch, speaks briefly at the end of Part 2.

Thanks to psb2usa for the prompt upload!

[songline]

Was Jaycee the Garridos’ only kidnap victim?
Sharon Murch hopes property search will yield clues to her missing daughter

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32960103/ns/today-today_people/
updated 1 hour, 16 minutes ago 9/21/9

Phillip and Nancy Garrido's house in Antioch, with its warren of dilapidated backyard shacks and tents, may have been an 18-year nightmare for Jaycee Dugard. But for Sharon Murch, it is a source of hope.

After waiting for 21 years to find out what happened to her daughter, Michaela Garecht, who was kidnapped from Hayward, Calif., in 1988 at age 9, Murch is optimistic her questions will be answered by crime scene investigators who have been searching Garrido's house and a neighbor's property.

The searchers, who returned Monday, were granted warrants to seek clues that might link him to Michaela or another missing girl, Ilene Misheloff, abducted in 1989 from nearby Dublin, Calif.

"There are times in the past when I have given in to the thought that she might not still be alive," says Murch, who keeps a blog and information on MissingMichaela.com. "You never want to think of your child enduring endless suffering. But [after Jaycee], this gives me new hope."

<<<SNIP>>> More at the link

[i.b.nora]

I watched it on teevee and caught most but not all of it. It seems that they did do some digging on the adjacent property today, and that it had to do with the County Building Inspector people, and the septic tank on that property. Nothing was unearthed regarding this case. All the agencies are working together.

[Natal]

They didn't seem to optimistic about finding anything.

[Californian]

Just a reminder:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default-on.aspx?menuid=181

or http://www.KRON.com

[Californian]

They determine there was nothing of interest in their investigation.

Teeth located on neighbor property probably belonged to an animal.

Forensic antropologist thought the bone on Garrido property is historic.

They will continue looking into Garrido as a suspect with analysis of his Ford Granada and other evidence.

They will walk away from the properties knowing no stone was unturned.

The end of the operation is not the end of their investigation.

[Californian]

Parts 1 - 4:

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/22/09

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/22/09

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/22/09

YouTube - Police interview on the property of Phillip and Nancy Garrido kidnapping suspects 9/22/09 (4)

[kbl8201]

They determine there was nothing of interest in their investigation.

Teeth located on neighbor property probably belonged to an animal.

Forensic antropologist thought the bone on Garrido property is historic.

They will continue looking into Garrido as a suspect with analysis of his Ford Granada and other evidence.

They will walk away from the properties knowing no stone was unturned.

The end of the operation is not the end of their investigation.

none of this is really surprising. he either covered his tracks extremely well (like dumping the bodies elsewhere) or he's just the type of sick who likes to turture humiliate and abuse live victims......which we know he already is from his past events and jaycee's ordeal. either way he's not getting out of prison ever again

[Californian]

I've posted the rest of today's briefing in the message two above this one. I'm glad to get these up because the notes I posted during the conference don't convey very much information.

This was the last news conference from the property in regards to the Hayward/Dublin investigations.

[songline]

I've posted the rest of today's briefing in the message two above this one. I'm glad to get these up because the notes I posted during the conference don't convey very much information.

This was the last news conference from the property in regards to the Hayward/Dublin investigations.

I wish there was a psychic a really good one on this case.
I wish those families can know once in for all were their babies are. :(

[kbl8201]

while there are a few good pyshcics, song, most of them are frauds, like the one in this case who says she told jaycee's mom 'i know she'll walk back in your life some day" jeesh someone made that same prediction on this board years before it actually happened...

[mysteriew]

While I may believe that Garrido has committed other crimes for which he hasn't been caught, I think we have to face the fact that there is a possibility that they may not be able to find evidence of them. Maybe they will find something in his papers and documents, but 20-30 years is a long time to hang onto evidence. So it is very possible that they will find nothing. And unless PG decides to confess for some reason, it is possible we will never know.

[kbl8201]

While I may believe that Garrido has committed other crimes for which he hasn't been caught, I think we have to face the fact that there is a possibility that they may not be able to find evidence of them. Maybe they will find something in his papers and documents, but 20-30 years is a long time to hang onto evidence. So it is very possible that they will find nothing. And unless PG decides to confess for some reason, it is possible we will never know.

or if jaycee found/saw something and remmebers it