Photo Images inside Garrido Home

[westerncolorado]

http://www.kcra.com/news/20972002/detail.html. Warning, these are nasty, filthy pictures! Those poor angels!

[MissOtk]

I wonder who this is...


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8706/pg1n.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/pg1n.jpg/)

[Pink Panther]

I wonder who this is...


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8706/pg1n.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/pg1n.jpg/)
Awful but it looks like Garrido (with a mustache) and possibly, one of the girls.

[Beyond Belief]

guys a trash picker.

[RJA00]

i have a question, this house did not get this messed up over night,
so, the parole officer was not aware that kids lived there, but he was aware the mother lived there right ?

I know adults can live like they want, but since they there caring for his mother
should the way the house been considered elder abuse ?

[Pink Panther]

What kind of a friiggin' home is this??? Did they get warnings about when the sttoopid azzed parole officers would show up? Did they get a chance to "tidy"? If not, from what I've seen, at the very least, these po's should have been reporting that he was living in a shambles! YUCK. This is a home? Inside and outside, it was chite.

MOO

[Pink Panther]

i have a question, this house did not get this messed up over night,
so, the parole officer was not aware that kids lived there, but he was aware the mother lived there right ?

I know adults can live like they want, but since they there caring for his mother
should the way the house been considered elder abuse ?
For some reason I am not able to add a simple "thanks" to your post so I will post a post of "thanks"!

:crazy:

[joga]

i have seen that pic posted above before, i believe it is the Garrido's when they were younger. i will try to find a link...

here we go...i believe this is the same one, yeah

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/new-photo-phillip-nancy-garrido-3-years-kidnapping-jaycee

[MissOtk]

i have seen that pic posted above before, i believe it is the Garrido's when they were younger. i will try to find a link...

here we go...i believe this is the same one, yeah

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/new-photo-phillip-nancy-garrido-3-years-kidnapping-jaycee

Thanks!! Definitely the same photo but the shirts look to be different colors and at first glance, he looked like he was holding a child.

[Pink Panther]

Thanks!! Definitely the same photo but the shirts look to be different colors and at first glance, he looked like he was holding a child.
I think that he looks like he's holding a child as well. Back to my original question, did these animals get a chance to "clean up" before parole visits. How many visits (on the premises) were ever conducted? Does anyone really believe that we will be told?


OHHHH...I know. I know!


Nah. I doubt we'll ever know.

Everyone is now covering everyone else's butt. BIG TIME.

MOO

[Natal]

Awful but it looks like Garrido (with a mustache) and possibly, one of the girls.

It's the same picture of Nancy hugging Garrido that has appeared in a number of places. It might be their wedding picture.

[Californian]

i have seen that pic posted above before, i believe it is the Garrido's when they were younger. i will try to find a link...

here we go...i believe this is the same one, yeah

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/new-photo-phillip-nancy-garrido-3-years-kidnapping-jaycee

That 1988 picture really shows the likeness of NG then and who we now know is NG in the 1991 sketch provided by JD's stepfather after she was kidnapped.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/08/31/image5277727x.jpg http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/09/02/garrido.attorney/art.garrido.zuma.jpg

[Pink Panther]

I am so revolted by these people. I hope that they eventually see their place in hell.

Jaycee...Stay stong and stay true. To have survived this, no matter what you had to do, you are truly a hero! I hope that you live out the rest of your life in comfort, peace, tranquility and most importantly true love.

Also - I hope that black chit on the side of G's face was cancer neglected and that he dies soon!

MOO

[Californian]

http://www.kcra.com/news/20972002/detail.html. Warning, these are nasty, filthy pictures! Those poor angels!

Oh my, you are so right with that description.

I'm almost grateful that they are not "high quality" photographs. The slight blurring and darkness is shielding us from viewing the true conditions we'd see if these were HQ pics. :frown: And yet the girls saw this, lived in this, every single day. :frown:

[Natal]

Either PG is really tall or Nancy is really short.

[MBK]

I think that probably the house was FINE when the mother lived there - - those are pretty nice dining room chairs, lace tablecloth, you can see the fringed edge of a curtain in the living room by the entranceway, and how the color goes with the sofa, etc. Somebody was making a bit of an effort until the devil took over.

[my2sisters]

I think that probably the house was FINE when the mother lived there - - those are pretty nice dining room chairs, lace tablecloth, you can see the fringed edge of a curtain in the living room by the entranceway, and how the color goes with the sofa, etc. Somebody was making a bit of an effort until the devil took over.

I agree, you can tell it was once care for. His mother must have been in hell when she lived there.

Does anyone else feel sick after seeing those photos? I've done research in dark alleys on other cases, but none has bothered me like this one is. Probably because it's basically in my backyard - I live only 2 miles away.

[LadyL]

the sheds in the backyard seemed to be in better (cleaner, more organized) condition than the house

this doesn't even look like a case of hoarding, b/c even hoarders maintain some kind of organized chaos (at least the ones I've seen - usually piles of random stuff but with clear pathways through the piles)

I thought it was ironic to see a towel hanging over the shower stall & what looks like deodorant sitting on a dresser in that pigsty

[Missizzy]

First of all, does the photo of the wind chimes just bring you to your knees? Come hell or high water, Jaycee was determined to bring some beauty into that awful place. I really believe that it will come out that it was Jaycee who wanted the pets, the art supplies, the books, the wind chimes. She had known a normal life and was trying so hard to recreate it for her girls. She's one strong woman.

On a disparate note, I have to say that it seems unbelievable to me that no one reported this house as a health hazard over the years. Our family has experience with this issue as we have a grandchild whose other grandparents live in a "home" exactly like this....with an overgrown swamp of an inground pool to boot. Our calls to Children's Services fell on deaf ears but the neighbors were able to have the house declared unsafe and the owners had a lien slapped on them for $4000 for clean-up. This was just for the exterior of the home. Trust me, the inside still looks just like the Garridos' house. Why did this not happen to the Garridos? I know they don't live in the city limits but couldn't the neighbors have complained to the county? I find it ironic that the Sacramento News 10 site even has an ad for vector control asking people to report health hazards!!

And why did California Adult Protective Services not get a call on Garrido's mother living in such filth? Did she never receive a visit from a home health worker or from a therapist or social worker? I was under the impression that the woman suffered from dementia and even if NG was designated as a caregiver (thus, possibly being paid), she would have had some home visits.

So many many questions. The moral of the this story is to pay attention to what your neighbors do and don't be afraid to speak up if something doesn't seem right. What do we teach our children about reporting abuse? We teach them to tell an adult and if that person will not listen, tell another. We need to remember this basic lesson.

[i.b.nora]

I am thinking that by the time these pictures of the inside of the house were taken, there had been at least one round of detectives and fbi folks inside carrying out their search warrants, so I am not convinced that the pictures we see of the inside are how they lived in there on a day to day basis. They may not have been super tidy, but these are just a bit too extreme.
If you have ever seen or heard of the results after a police search of a home, they can really mess things up in their zeal to find 'evidence'.

I think the outside is a whole other thing. He obviously never threw anything away. I have neighbors that seem to save all the cars they have ever owned. I don't think they have kidnapped anyone though.

[Tom'sGirl]

Either PG is really tall or Nancy is really short.
He's 6' 4" tall

[cleo612]

In the photo of the kitchen sink, you will note that there is a hand sanitizer dispenser on the cupboard that is hanging on the left hand side of the sink.

These people lived like pigs, yet they had hand sanitizer in that dump?

God bless Jaycee and her two daughters. I pray most fervently that they are able to overcome the atrocities to which they have been subjected, and of which I just cannot begin to fathom.

[Tom'sGirl]

In the photo of the kitchen sink, you will note that there is a hand sanitizer dispenser on the cupboard that is hanging on the left hand side of the sink.

These people lived like pigs, yet they had hand sanitizer in that dump?

God bless Jaycee and her two daughters. I pray most fervently that they are able to overcome the atrocities to which they have been subjected, and of which I just cannot begin to fathom.
Yeah, and in another photo there was an upright vacuum :doh:

[kikid]

I am thinking that by the time these pictures of the inside of the house were taken, there had been at least one round of detectives and fbi folks inside carrying out their search warrants, so I am not convinced that the pictures we see of the inside are how they lived in there on a day to day basis. They may not have been super tidy, but these are just a bit too extreme.
If you have ever seen or heard of the results after a police search of a home, they can really mess things up in their zeal to find 'evidence'.

I think the outside is a whole other thing. He obviously never threw anything away. I have neighbors that seem to save all the cars they have ever owned. I don't think they have kidnapped anyone though.

those were my thoughts as well. It looks as though everything was pulled out of closets, dressers, and cabinets and just thrown down on the floor.

[gitana1]

I have the same question as others here: How could parole officers not take one look and report him for at least, elder abuse? There is no way they could have "tidied up" this disaster in any way before a visits from a parole officer. Where the heck did anyone sleep or sit in that house? It looks like the home of one of those disordered pack rat people. It's like a window into their minds - a filthy mess. Wonder what Cheyvonne Molino thinks about these pictures since she seems to believe these girls lived in a 4000 square foot palace.

[gitana1]

those were my thoughts as well. It looks as though everything was pulled out of closets, dressers, and cabinets and just thrown down on the floor.

I had that thought at first too, but I have never seen a place where the yard is a garbage dump and the house is organized. Also, LE may have moved things around but I'd say they had to be careful in this situation, categorizing everything and not using a wrecking ball. This was NOT a raid. This was the careful gathering of evidence in connection with a major crimes investigation. I do not believe LE caused the mess we see in these pictures.

[MBK]

I don't really know how to express what I've been thinking about, but I'll TRY.

I've been really struck by the "abandoned" stuffed animals in the photographs, and this was brought home by the panda in these photos.

From what I've experienced in my life, children often give their stuffed animals human characteristics - - they don't want them to get cold, feel pain, be lonely. Thus, a child will take care of a stuffed animal, tucking it into bed, making sure it's sitting with its other toy "friends", etc.

Yes, I know that Jaycee's kids are older, BUT. . . it's not really a feeling that we ever lose, is it . . .

I am wondering about the abandoned panda we see in the new photos shown in the link here, the teddy bear on the trampoline, an abandoned tweety bird in the dirt http://extras.mercurynews.com/slideshows/news/2009/08/jaycee_dugard_0831/ which just was so poignant to me, etc.

What's going on with these stuffed animals? Do you think that they "belonged", if only for a short time, to other kidnapped children? That Jaycee or the girls rejected them as something to love?

Maybe I'm making much ado about nothing, but I think that the stuffed animals in the yard have some sort of significance, if even, sadly, signifying terribly hurt girls who cannot be comforted by something so simple . . .

[MBK]

On another note, how could I have forgotten . . .

Two words, folks, two words:

THE SCREEN.

heaven help us

[westerncolorado]

I had that thought at first too, but I have never seen a place where the yard is a garbage dump and the house is organized. Also, LE may have moved things around but I'd say they had to be careful in this situation, categorizing everything and not using a wrecking ball. This was NOT a raid. This was the careful gathering of evidence in connection with a major crimes investigation. I do not believe LE caused the mess we see in these pictures.

I absolutely agree, there was no need for a raid as the perps were in custody. I think they lived in filth and chaos. What a testimony to Jaycee's strength!

[SWAG1959]

I personally noticed the "commercial hand washing liquid dispenser" mounted on the cabinet next to the sink FILLED with nasty dirty dishes.

they were obviously hoarders as well as just plain pigs. From the looks of the house - I'm willing to say they ALL slept out back in the tents - there was NO ROOM for even one body to lay down in that house.

[my2sisters]

On another note, how could I have forgotten . . .

Two words, folks, two words:

THE SCREEN.

heaven help us

Do you mean the projector screen? Yeah, was that weird or what?! I don't know what to make of that!

[SWAG1959]

Do you mean the projector screen? Yeah, was that weird or what?! I don't know what to make of that!
IIRC the woman (sorry can't recall her name) from the rape in the 70's said once he got her to the warehouse he had a projector and screen set up and was showing porn the whole time he was raping her. So................................................ . :eek:

[snappyturtle]

On another note, how could I have forgotten . . .

Two words, folks, two words:

THE SCREEN.

heaven help us

Didn't the rape victim in Reno say that he had setup a projector and screen with porno in the storage shed where he took her?

I think I count 3 bedrooms. None of them look like someone could have slept in the bed.

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html
Bedroom 1 in photo #26 and #27
This may be two twin beds, what do you think?

Bedroom 2 in photo 30

Bedroom 3 in photo 33

I also don't see any sign of a basement.

[my2sisters]

Didn't the rape victim in Reno say that he had setup a projector and screen with porno in the storage shed where he took her?

I think I count 3 bedrooms. None of them look like someone could have slept in the bed.

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html
Bedroom 1 in photo #26 and #27
This may be two twin beds, what do you think?

Bedroom 2 in photo 30

Bedroom 3 in photo 33

I also don't see any sign of a basement.

YES! I forgot about that!

I don't see any sign of stairs to a basement either. And I'm sure the inspector would have taken pictures if there was one. Shows how much Cheyvonne knows!

Reports have stated that the house is made of cinder block, but the new photos clearly show that is not the case. I couldn't figure out why they would remove sheetrock and look inside the walls, but now it makes more sense.

[joga]

I think that he looks like he's holding a child as well. Back to my original question, did these animals get a chance to "clean up" before parole visits. How many visits (on the premises) were ever conducted? Does anyone really believe that we will be told?


OHHHH...I know. I know!


Nah. I doubt we'll ever know.

Everyone is now covering everyone else's butt. BIG TIME.

MOO

you would have to have like a month's notice at least to clean that hell hole! ewww, it's so gross! and i totally agree with you about never getting answers because a lot of people are in CYA mode. if his mother was living there and was as old and out of it as some say, i don't see how the PO wouldn't have gotten social services involved. they made sure to keep that front lawn pristine though, wouldn't want any unwanted attention!

[my2sisters]

you would have to have like a month's notice at least to clean that hell hole! ewww, it's so gross! and i totally agree with you about never getting answers because a lot of people are in CYA mode. if his mother was living there and was as old and out of it as some say, i don't see how the PO wouldn't have gotten social services involved. they made sure to keep that front lawn pristine though, wouldn't want any unwanted attention!

Didn't you find it odd that the handicap chair was still in the bathroom? I don't know when his Mother was moved to a convalescent home or who moved her there.

[joga]

Didn't you find it odd that the handicap chair was still in the bathroom? I don't know when his Mother was moved to a convalescent home or who moved her there.

i swear, i have been reading as much as i possibly can, but to be honest i didn't know that the mother wasn't living with them when they got busted. i thought she was still there. frustrating cause i'm a fact liker...lol. :banghead:

[Natal]

Perhaps the "basement" is under a concrete slab or a hidden trapdoor? Or maybe a hidden chamber/something somewhere on the property. Assuming she actually said that and Molino didn't just make it up, she could have meant something other that what we understand it to mean. A basement is underground, so what could be underground on the property?

[joga]

the inside photos of that dilapidated shack just gave me flashbacks of the Duncan case, where he took poor Dylan....:sick:

[MBK]

Perhaps the "basement" is under a concrete slab or a hidden trapdoor? Or maybe a hidden chamber/something somewhere on the property. Assuming she actually said that and Molino didn't just make it up, she could have meant something other that what we understand it to mean. A basement is underground, so what could be underground on the property?

Good point. In today's press conference, Lt. Chris Orrey speaks of "randomly placed" concrete slabs, i.e., ones without structures above them. They will be breaking these up and looking under them . . . with dogs and equipment.

Not sure you could hold a church service there, tho. LOLZ. But with this bunch, you never know.

Also, Lt. Orrey mentions a "crawl space" under the house next door. Not sure how big that would be . .. if there would be enough room to hold services . . . well, maybe a satanic rite.

[westerncolorado]

The only time a "Church basement" is mentioned is when CM said that the younger girl said she attended church in her basement. HUGE box o' salt, it came from CM.

[my2sisters]

Perhaps the "basement" is under a concrete slab or a hidden trapdoor? Or maybe a hidden chamber/something somewhere on the property. Assuming she actually said that and Molino didn't just make it up, she could have meant something other that what we understand it to mean. A basement is underground, so what could be underground on the property?

Maybe that's another reason for bringing in the radar equipment. And, they are removing the slabs of concrete in both Garrido's yard and the neighbor's yard. LE stated that they couldn't come up with a good explanation for why the slabs are there (paraphrasing).

Sorry MKB, I should have finished reading the thread before I posted.

[LinasK]

And why did California Adult Protective Services not get a call on Garrido's mother living in such filth? Did she never receive a visit from a home health worker or from a therapist or social worker? I was under the impression that the woman suffered from dementia and even if NG was designated as a caregiver (thus, possibly being paid), she would have had some home visits.

My guess is if Nancy was her private CNA, there was no home health agency involved. Noone reported them to APS, and it doesn't sound like the mother saw a doctor either...

[LinasK]

I absolutely agree, there was no need for a raid as the perps were in custody. I think they lived in filth and chaos. What a testimony to Jaycee's strength!
Exactly! The house was declared uninhabitable for a reason- not because LE messed it up, otherwise why document it with photographs???

[LinasK]

Didn't you find it odd that the handicap chair was still in the bathroom? I don't know when his Mother was moved to a convalescent home or who moved her there.
She went to Contra Costa Regional Med Ctr. in Martinez. From there I'm sure they placed her in a skilled nursing facility. They're not going to take the medical equipment from the home, she'll get new stuff wherever she is placed.

[Natal]

Well, if the Cadaver dogs actually found something, "going to church in the basement" might be a child's description of a funeral. Lets hope that it was a false positive:(

[my2sisters]

I don't know if anyone else saw CNN's Geraldo at Large when Cheyvonne Molino was interviewed, but she said that she didn't bring up anything about LE looking for child porn. She said that the press reported it and she had said nothing about it. So, yes, she lies and can't even remember what it is that she says.

I still haven't been able to find a link to that broadcast.

[joga]

no, oh please no...we're not going to start on CM again...lol. (i'm just being sarcastic because of all the drama with her original thread, please don't take offense!)

[my2sisters]

no, oh please no...we're not going to start on CM again...lol. (i'm just being sarcastic because of all the drama with her original thread, please don't take offense!)

You know, now that I think about it, you're right. I was thinking out loud because of the projector screen. :crosseyed:

[Leila]

i have seen that pic posted above before, i believe it is the Garrido's when they were younger. i will try to find a link...

here we go...i believe this is the same one, yeah

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/new-photo-phillip-nancy-garrido-3-years-kidnapping-jaycee

That was the photo I thought of when I saw that picture on the floor of the (dining room?).

[Leila]

http://www.kcra.com/news/20972002/detail.html. Warning, these are nasty, filthy pictures! Those poor angels!

Unbelievable!!! I can't imagine someone living in such a filth! :sick: Didn't someone I won't mention try to tell us that they had been inside the house and it wasn't bad,..............if I recall, she said it was a 4000 square foot house. :mad:

[Leila]

I think that probably the house was FINE when the mother lived there - - those are pretty nice dining room chairs, lace tablecloth, you can see the fringed edge of a curtain in the living room by the entranceway, and how the color goes with the sofa, etc. Somebody was making a bit of an effort until the devil took over.

I almost hate to mention this, but the thought that goes through my mind is "what must it smell like!"

[Amster]

To me, it looks like someone trashed the place. Cabinets open and stuff dragged out...chairs on beds...clothes tossed on beds...there wasn't anyway to sleep on the beds! Then...normal stuff...vacuum, ironing board....

The windchimes...

I can't imagine how Jaycee raised 2 babies in that hell hole! Just thinking about my 17 mo. old grandson....how did she do it? Were the babies kept in the house? How do you take care of a toddler in that yard? I'm in awe of Jaycee...

[Leila]

IIRC the woman (sorry can't recall her name) from the rape in the 70's said once he got her to the warehouse he had a projector and screen set up and was showing porn the whole time he was raping her. So................................................ . :eek:

I had forgotten about that! Yes, she did say that there was a screen, projector, and porn.

[Leila]

i swear, i have been reading as much as i possibly can, but to be honest i didn't know that the mother wasn't living with them when they got busted. i thought she was still there. frustrating cause i'm a fact liker...lol. :banghead:

I vaguely recall that she was at a doctor's office, or in the hospital, or something at the time of the arrest. I think PG's brother stated that she's living with him now. Again, I'm vague on this.

[smgtheophilus]

These are the two links to pictures obtained from the county inspector's office from KCRA-3:

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972701/detail.html

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html

Now, compare image 26 from the first link to this picture:

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And image 1 from the second link to this picture:

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It's clear that LE is trashing the place looking for evidence.

[gitana1]

I see your point. In the first set of pictures, it looks like the first was taken after much of what was inside was removed. However, I would hardly say LE was trashing the place. That place was already trashed. Surely LE didn't put a monstrous stack of dirty dishes in the sink and on the counters, or fill the house and yard with all that crap. All that stuff came from their home and the property simply doesn't look like it could reasonably contain it all. Again, they did not conduct a raid. Nevertheless, in viewing your comparison photos, it does seem that the later taken set do not relfect reality as much as the first. Good catch.

[Missizzy]

I wonder if there was any water in that above ground pool. Here in Oregon, Vector Control can enter your property if they have knowledge of an untreated pool. They give you a warning and then enter and treat the water to kill bugs. I'd think that this pool and some of the junk was holding nasty water. I'm really surprised that no one cracked down on this with all the scare about West Nile.

There just seems to be so many missed opportunities. I mean didn't the meter reader wonder about this place, especially if he saw children?

[TakeNote]

i noticed LE had flaged some things.....one i remember off myhead is right next to a shoe......

also the photos of the bricks/patchs on the ground that looked out of place...and they looked to have straw underneath them as well.....

right before that there was a pic with a pipe sticking out of the ground next to the bricks and a shed....like it was venting from under the ground??

[Natal]

I've seen shantytown slums in Africa that look an order of magnitude better than that place! Yikes!

But, I think a good deal of the chaos you see is from the initial police search however. There is just too much random stuff scattered around and on top of chairs/tables etc. Most likely on their first pass through they just emptied all the drawers/cupboards etc and dumped the contents on the nearest chair or table, or the floor if nothing else was handy. They would probably have been looking for things like photographs, video, stuff of that nature which could serve as evidence in the trial. Everything else went on the floor. I think the house would still have looked cluttered and decrepid, but not nearly as bad as in those pictures. Much as I hate to say it, but looking at those pictures I'd say the first search was fluffed.

That is unfortunate because it likely made things way more difficult for the second search team who are probably looking at things in more detail, since much of the context would have been lost.

[Natal]

I see your point. In the first set of pictures, it looks like the first was taken after much of what was inside was removed. However, I would hardly say LE was trashing the place. That place was already trashed. Surely LE didn't put a monstrous stack of dirty dishes in the sink and on the counters, or fill the house and yard with all that crap. All that stuff came from their home and the property simply doesn't look like it could reasonably contain it all. Again, they did not conduct a raid. Nevertheless, in viewing your comparison photos, it does seem that the later taken set do not relfect reality as much as the first. Good catch.

Well, if you look at the dishes and pots in the sink, there don't seem to be many (or any) that were dirty. I think LE just went through the cupboards looking for evidence and piled everything in them on the nearest convienent surface, which in this case was the sink.

[Brassband]

Looking at those pictures reminds me of that show on A&E called the "Hoarders". If you're interested you can watch the show online at the A&E website. (Hopefully my post isn't too far off topic)
Oh, and personally, I don't think any outside person has ever been in that house before including the Parole office. But, did you notice that the water heater looked fairly new? I wonder if someone installed that, or if PG did that?

[oh_gal]

I think that he looks like he's holding a child as well. Back to my original question, did these animals get a chance to "clean up" before parole visits. How many visits (on the premises) were ever conducted? Does anyone really believe that we will be told?


OHHHH...I know. I know!


Nah. I doubt we'll ever know.

Everyone is now covering everyone else's butt. BIG TIME.

MOO

Ahem....maybe that was cleaned up....?

[smgtheophilus]

also the photos of the bricks/patchs on the ground that looked out of place...and they looked to have straw underneath them as well.....

right before that there was a pic with a pipe sticking out of the ground next to the bricks and a shed....like it was venting from under the ground??

The nature and purpose of the photos is to document unsafe conditions so the county can make an assessment for condemning the building - thus, the many close-up pictures of exposed wiring, pips sticking out from underground and out of buildings, broken boards in the shacks and decks, the cesspool cover, The outdoor commode, etc.

The before pictures from that british photographer who snuck onto the property that first day show the living conditions of a group of feral hoarders, but with some open spaces neatly arranged (and, how much of the stuff strewn about even that first day was from LE's initial search). The after pictures show a landfill as every storage facility was cleared out into the open.

[cindysue]

In the photo of the kitchen sink, you will note that there is a hand sanitizer dispenser on the cupboard that is hanging on the left hand side of the sink.

These people lived like pigs, yet they had hand sanitizer in that dump?

God bless Jaycee and her two daughters. I pray most fervently that they are able to overcome the atrocities to which they have been subjected, and of which I just cannot begin to fathom.

Haha if i lived there id want to be covered in hand sanitizer

[cindysue]

Well, if you look at the dishes and pots in the sink, there don't seem to be many (or any) that were dirty. I think LE just went through the cupboards looking for evidence and piled everything in them on the nearest convienent surface, which in this case was the sink.

Or they didnt cook, The way the backyard looked its not a stretch to think the house looked this bad. I dont think the house was all tidy and the police did the messes for a sec.

[MBK]

Look at this . . . a child's (?) drawing on the wall which says Angell - although I can't see the n and it appears that it's the name Angel but misspelled with two L's. It might not be a drawing, it might be embroidery with yarn?? or something that's raised from the surface of the paper


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090918/capt.8b828fe077d14f0f8b1cd5cad0b174e7.kidnapped_gi rl_cacct104.jpg?x=400&y=288&q=85&sig=QdflB0h_dD4ijLg7R_9DxQ--

From HERE: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090918/480/8b828fe077d14f0f8b1cd5cad0b174e7/

[MissOtk]

I personally noticed the "commercial hand washing liquid dispenser" mounted on the cabinet next to the sink FILLED with nasty dirty dishes.

they were obviously hoarders as well as just plain pigs. From the looks of the house - I'm willing to say they ALL slept out back in the tents - there was NO ROOM for even one body to lay down in that house.

Do you have a photo of the dirty dishes? Maybe I'm blind but I dont see any dirty dishes in the sink. Also, no silverware in the sink leads me to believe the dishes were just tossed there during the search.

I think the entire house was turned upside down by detectives before these photos were taken.

[minazoe]

no way...that is not the way a search would happen. not in that house. And there is no way the police could create such a convoluted disgusting mess.

this house was completely un civilised, looks like Garrido was just a parasite and all of those furnishings probably belonged to his mother.

they were living like wild animals and that molino chick is a liar.

[Cubby]

I wonder who this is...


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8706/pg1n.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/pg1n.jpg/)

Haven't read the full thread, so don't know if this has been answered, but that photo is of Phillip and Nancy. It's showed up here elsewhere in one of the threads but I am unsure which one.

hth

[smgtheophilus]

Growing up in the hippie culture in southern california, I frequently saw scenes similar to these, with papers strewn around, dishes piled in the sink, random stuff piled onto dining room tables, etc.

Some comments about specific rooms (From this link, where most of the interior shots were taken):

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html

Photo 14 - typical of an unkempt house
Photo 15 - also typical. It appears that a computer projector is set up to display on the upraised screen.
Photo 17 - piles of stuff stacked on a table are typical. I wonder about the piles of stuff on the floor, though. Again, not inconsistent with what I've seen before.
Photo 18 & 19 - piles of dishes. I've seen this many times, but another contributor did note that most of the dishes don't appear to be used. I've actually seen situations where uneaten food and even mold was present. Odd that that doesn't be the case here.
Photo 20 - cat food supplies and overall mess I've seen before. A chair on TOP of the mess, with stuff on TOP of the chair, I haven't. This suggests that someone moved the chair here because they were searching elsewhere. All the cupboards opened is a tell for LE searches.
Photo 21 - not inconsistent with an unkempt house.
Photo 24 - I've even seen things this messy, but the chair thrown on top of the mess is out of place.
Photo 25 - unkempt, but livable.
Photo 26 & 27 - mattresses thrown about and piles of stuff are out of place for a living space. This doesn't even fit the profile of a storage room - with upended matresses. The mattress appears to be new. A mess that evolves over time has to have SOME form to it, as things are piled into a room over time - a mess created in a short amount of time doesn't have any recognizable form. This screams 'police search' to me.
Photo 28 & 29 - there the bathroom is made unusable by debris and boxes on the floor. This was not done by anyone that uses this bathroom. Again, no form to the mess.
Photo 30 - mess on the floor looks 'lived in'. Piles of clothes and chair on top of the bed look like the results of a search.
Photo 31 & 32 - bags and boxes making another bathroom unusable. This also appears to be the results of a search.
Photo 34 - unkempt houses typically have some organization - Messes that evolve show purpose... papers and books stacked and organized, pathways for getting around the mess, etc. Here everything is thrown around and piled on otherwise usable furniture.
Photo 35 - another chair upended on a loveseat. Tell for a search.

[enzeder]

Do you have a photo of the dirty dishes? Maybe I'm blind but I dont see any dirty dishes in the sink. Also, no silverware in the sink leads me to believe the dishes were just tossed there during the search.

I think the entire house was turned upside down by detectives before these photos were taken.

Here's one of the photos of the sink/dishes.

http://i28.tinypic.com/rc2990.jpg

[Disguiseduser0308]

Here's one of the photos of the sink/dishes.

http://i28.tinypic.com/rc2990.jpg

Just jumping off your post with the sink picture. Ok, so.. it is possible the dishes were just placed in the sink during LE search. From everything I've seen of their home it looks to me like they lived in squalor. Notice the panel with the stove top controls? I know LE didn't cover that in grease and grime.

Jaycee and her children lived with this everyday of their lives. These people could have cared less about the appearance of their backyard, they sure as heck aren't going to keep it spic and span indoors, either. JMO.

[minazoe]

typical of the hippie culture? hardly...more like the homeless culture, or junkie culture...I knew lots of hippies...nothing even close to this filth.

[Stephens]

Either the parole officers have not visited the actual home in several years or they did and failed to follow procedure, since it's absurdly clear that those are illegal "living" conditions. Either way, they failed horribly in simply following basic procedure. That's what's so upsetting about this case: if they had simply done a basic job (not even "great," just basic), this case would have been resolved ages ago.

I'm guessing that since the DA has already praised the PO, there will be no legitimate investigation into the massive, systemic failures, let alone holding the several POs and those in charge accountable for their obvious refusal to do their job. It'd be like refusing to do anything about a lifeguard who simply let people drown right in front of him.

Honestly, when that Contra Costa sheriff said he, in response to the Dugard case, learned the valuable lesson to not assume a parolee is telling the truth, I nearly spit out my drink. How stupid does he think we are? Who the hell assumes a convicted sex offender is going to be open and honest with someone, let alone his PO, when it comes to possible criminality?!

[joga]

These are the two links to pictures obtained from the county inspector's office from KCRA-3:

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972701/detail.html

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html

Now, compare image 26 from the first link to this picture:

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And image 1 from the second link to this picture:

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It's clear that LE is trashing the place looking for evidence.

looks like they're just redistributing the trash around...i will give that it was a little more organized in it's disgusting-ness before LE came in. thanks for the comparisons!

[Natal]

Either the parole officers have not visited the actual home in several years or they did and failed to follow procedure, since it's absurdly clear that those are illegal "living" conditions. Either way, they failed horribly in simply following basic procedure. That's what's so upsetting about this case: if they had simply done a basic job (not even "great," just basic), this case would have been resolved ages ago.



There was a task force search in 2008, and probably individual PO visits inbetween. Allthough i'm sure it was "poor", I doubt the house looked like these pictures then.

[SunnieRN]

Having been a home health nurse in CA in the past, I can truthfully say that some people keep their homes cluttered and dirty. There were several times I wouldn't sit on furniture and would NEVER accept a drink or the offer to use their bathroom.

These people did not have children in their homes, or elderly people they were caring for. I would often call adult protective services, as the condition of their home was unsafe. I find it hard to believe that it was always this bad at this home. Customers remarked that when they went to the home they saw Jaycee come out of one of the bedrooms with their printed materials. People who know PG's mother stated Nancy took good care of her. I would think they would have seen such a filthy mess. I also would think that her other son would have reported the condition of the home.

I am sure the place has always been cluttered and messy, but I also have a feeling that it has declined significantly in the past year or two as PG got more ill. As far as the kitchen, it looks as if "clean" dishes have been tossed onto dirty dishes. Makes my skin crawl.

[Missizzy]

I posted yesterday about our family's experience with a "hoarder"--our grandchild's other grandmother. I think the jury is still out on whether LE trashed the kitchen counter and the stove or it looked that way when they went in. I just want to add that this is EXACTLY the way the kitchen looks at our grandchild's other house all the time.

Not long ago, a CD player placed on one of the electric stove burners caught on fire and filled the house with acrid smoke. The stove top was literally covered with junk!! Photos of this mess were presented to the court at our grandchild's custody hearing (our daughter got full custody BTW) and the judge was appalled.

There were literally five foot high walls of junk with a narrow pathway through them. the kitchen was so trashed, the grandparents had to bring in prepared food or take our grandchild out to fast food every time she visited. Oddly enough, this house is in a very nice neighborhood with well-kept homes and the couple themselves just seem a little "off". The husband has a normal job and just seems to ignore the mess his wife has created. Their three children were always ashamed of it so they never had friends over. Every time they've attempted to clean it up, the mother wastes no time in trashing it again. The family drives nice vehicles and dress neatly. They actually run a wedding planning business out of this mess. I would never have believed this sort of situation could exist if I hadn't seen it myself.

The straw that broke the camel's back, though, was the nasty swimming pool which brought in Vector Control. Then, the city got involved and held a hearing. Numerous neighbors showed up to testify that the mess was affecting their property values. The family ended up with the city contracting to have the exterior cleaned up and a lien of $4000 was placed on the property to cover the cost. My grandchild confirms that the interior still looks just like the Garridos'. It breaks my heart that Jaycee probably tried valiantly to bring some order to this chaos. It would have been an uphill battle, however.

My point is that, sadly, I can imagine the house interior looking just like this albeit with a few added messes due to the search. Someone at this house is undoubtedly a hoarder. If you research this mental illness, you will find that it is often co-morbid with other disorders. I find this very disturbing. It's very true that often the hoarding reflects a disorganized mind.

[Missizzy]

For a good overview of Compulsive Hoarding Disorder, check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

The photos tell the whole story.

[my2sisters]

For a good overview of Compulsive Hoarding Disorder, check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

The photos tell the whole story.

You're right, they look like they could have been taken at Garrido's house! Thanks.

[JulieNMM]

Looking at those pictures reminds me of that show on A&E called the "Hoarders". If you're interested you can watch the show online at the A&E website. (Hopefully my post isn't too far off topic)
Oh, and personally, I don't think any outside person has ever been in that house before including the Parole office. But, did you notice that the water heater looked fairly new? I wonder if someone installed that, or if PG did that?

I was also thinking about the show Hoarders.

I thought that the mother was living with them until their arrest and then the police moved her to a nursing home since there was no one else to take care of her. Can't remember where I heard that. I could be wrong!

Did anyone else notice the painting above the sofa? It is of a blond woman -- JC?

[Missizzy]

I'm going out on a limb here and posting a link to the abatement violation photos of our grandchild's other grandparents. Because these are readily available on the internet, I don't think I am breaking any confidentiality rules. Moderators, if I am, please remove this. Please please understand that I am not attempting to misalign this family. I'm not asking that anyone read through all the letters, or even note the location, etc. but scroll to the very bottom of the PDF and study the photos. Keep in mind that these photos were taken (by city officials) after an attempt had been made by the family to clean up the property. The hoarder argued with the Code Enforcer that the property was now "fine". This, to my mind, shows the true depth of denial.

I hadn't looked at these photos in a while but when I did, I was shaken. Notice the tents? I'd forgotten how many tents this family had erected. It looks exactly like the Garrido yard. This is where our young grandchild used to spend every weekend. Not anymore!!

It seems to me that this disorder is commonly exhibited in the exact same ways. In other words, the tents and junk at the Garridos might not have been intended to hide Jaycee. They might have simply been a result of the resident hoarder's disability. The massive junk hid a terrible secret in Jaycee's case however.

http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Files/1-9-09%20Agenda.pdf

[flourish]

I am thinking that by the time these pictures of the inside of the house were taken, there had been at least one round of detectives and fbi folks inside carrying out their search warrants, so I am not convinced that the pictures we see of the inside are how they lived in there on a day to day basis. They may not have been super tidy, but these are just a bit too extreme.
If you have ever seen or heard of the results after a police search of a home, they can really mess things up in their zeal to find 'evidence'.

I think the outside is a whole other thing. He obviously never threw anything away. I have neighbors that seem to save all the cars they have ever owned. I don't think they have kidnapped anyone though.

bbm, most respectfully:)
Totally. In photos we saw previously, the trampoline only had the teddy bear on it. Then in these photos, the trampoline has a ton of wood and debris on it, like they (LE) had put boards on it as they searched through the rubble. Does anyone know, where those photos we saw previously zoomed versions of satellite photos from not so recently, or were those taken right after this all came to light? Even so, it's freaking nasty in a way which LE probably couldn't have made much worse.:waitasec: gross

There is some nice furniture and furnishings under all that mess, which makes me feel bitter and resentful and angry from several different perspectives. Blech! I think Websleuths members have probably invested in more anti-nausea medication in the last week than ever before. :puke:

[SunnieRN]

I'm going out on a limb here and posting a link to the abatement violation photos of our grandchild's other grandparents. Because these are readily available on the internet, I don't think I am breaking any confidentiality rules. Moderators, if I am, please remove this. Please please understand that I am not attempting to misalign this family. I'm not asking that anyone read through all the letters, or even note the location, etc. but scroll to the very bottom of the PDF and study the photos. Keep in mind that these photos were taken (by city officials) after an attempt had been made by the family to clean up the property. The hoarder argued with the Code Enforcer that the property was now "fine". This, to my mind, shows the true depth of denial.

I hadn't looked at these photos in a while but when I did, I was shaken. Notice the tents? I'd forgotten how many tents this family had erected. It looks exactly like the Garrido yard. This is where our young grandchild used to spend every weekend. Not anymore!!

It seems to me that this disorder is commonly exhibited in the exact same ways. In other words, the tents and junk at the Garridos might not have been intended to hide Jaycee. They might have simply been a result of the resident hoarder's disability. The massive junk hid a terrible secret in Jaycee's case however.

http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Files/1-9-09%20Agenda.pdf

My gosh, I am so sorry your family and your grandson have had to go through all of this! I hope that this woman is able to get help for such an overwhelming disorder.

[JulieNMM]

Here's one of the photos of the sink/dishes.

http://i28.tinypic.com/rc2990.jpg

I've been reading these posts and notice that there are no doors on some of the cabinets. The dishes are in the sink, but it does not look like they were put there by LE. I mean, if someone came into my kitchen and was looking through the cupboards, they would have a neat stack of dishes to take out and they would put them as a stack on the counter. This is not a case of LE coming in and making a mess out of this house. It was already a mess (I'm sure). And what's with the bricks on the walls?

[LinasK]

I vaguely recall that she was at a doctor's office, or in the hospital, or something at the time of the arrest. I think PG's brother stated that she's living with him now. Again, I'm vague on this.
She was taken to Contra Costa Regional Medical Center at the time of arrest. Where she went from there I don't know.

[joga]

I'm going out on a limb here and posting a link to the abatement violation photos of our grandchild's other grandparents. Because these are readily available on the internet, I don't think I am breaking any confidentiality rules. Moderators, if I am, please remove this. Please please understand that I am not attempting to misalign this family. I'm not asking that anyone read through all the letters, or even note the location, etc. but scroll to the very bottom of the PDF and study the photos. Keep in mind that these photos were taken (by city officials) after an attempt had been made by the family to clean up the property. The hoarder argued with the Code Enforcer that the property was now "fine". This, to my mind, shows the true depth of denial.

I hadn't looked at these photos in a while but when I did, I was shaken. Notice the tents? I'd forgotten how many tents this family had erected. It looks exactly like the Garrido yard. This is where our young grandchild used to spend every weekend. Not anymore!!

It seems to me that this disorder is commonly exhibited in the exact same ways. In other words, the tents and junk at the Garridos might not have been intended to hide Jaycee. They might have simply been a result of the resident hoarder's disability. The massive junk hid a terrible secret in Jaycee's case however.

http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Files/1-9-09%20Agenda.pdf

WOW! that was an absolutely dangerous place for your grandson and i applaud you for looking out for and getting him/her out of that situation. that is scary if that's what consider "fine".....

[LinasK]

Having been a home health nurse in CA in the past, I can truthfully say that some people keep their homes cluttered and dirty. There were several times I wouldn't sit on furniture and would NEVER accept a drink or the offer to use their bathroom.

These people did not have children in their homes, or elderly people they were caring for. I would often call adult protective services, as the condition of their home was unsafe. I find it hard to believe that it was always this bad at this home. Customers remarked that when they went to the home they saw Jaycee come out of one of the bedrooms with their printed materials. People who know PG's mother stated Nancy took good care of her. I would think they would have seen such a filthy mess. I also would think that her other son would have reported the condition of the home.

I am sure the place has always been cluttered and messy, but I also have a feeling that it has declined significantly in the past year or two as PG got more ill. As far as the kitchen, it looks as if "clean" dishes have been tossed onto dirty dishes. Makes my skin crawl.
Sunnie, I've also been a home health therapist. I don't think a home health agency was ever in this house! I think Nancy- with CNA experience- was just taking care of her mother-in-law, paid or not as she knew to do! I totally agree that anybody who had come out from a home health agency would have called APS under these conditions! I really don't believe LE messed the house up this bad- I have seen residences this bad-I think this is how the Garrido's lived undetected!

[MBK]

I've been reading these posts and notice that there are no doors on some of the cabinets. The dishes are in the sink, but it does not look like they were put there by LE. I mean, if someone came into my kitchen and was looking through the cupboards, they would have a neat stack of dishes to take out and they would put them as a stack on the counter. This is not a case of LE coming in and making a mess out of this house. It was already a mess (I'm sure). And what's with the bricks on the walls?

I'd say the house is of its period. Those could be bricks, could be tile that looks like it, but as the kitchen has not been renovated, it's pretty much that retro style. LOL. (Same goes for the turned white wooden posts, sort of room dividers that you see in other photos.)

[Missizzy]

I wondered about the tile also. Those are called subway tiles and have been very popular in the last ten years (we're home builders), mostly in upscale kitchens or remodels. They are really expensive, though, and these look to be professionally installed. It's possible that this is some sort of back splash made to look like subway tiles but I don't think so. I'm not certain but it looks like there is an accent of "quarter-round" (long, skinny tiles) under the window. If it is, then it's definitely real tile. Maybe Home Depot sells that.

If it's true subway tile, it would not have been original to this house IMO. Houses built in the 30's-50's used square tiles almost exclusively. Subway tiles were popular for home use from about 1910-1930 and often used in conjunction with hex tile. They were an off-shoot of the "sanitary" look. As their name implies, they were original to subway walls. Martha Stewart is somewhat responsible for their popularity right now (history lesson over...I do the research for period appropriate remodels, sorry). The cabinets, though, look original. Just another mystery. Did PG actually spend all the time and money to lay this tile or did an installer come in and do it? Could there have been a barter? Let's hope we don't go there.

[flourish]

There is a great book called "Ghosty Men" about two famous hoarding brothers and the filth that led to their demise. Even they had paths!

[songline]

HOW CAN ANYONE LIVE THIS WAY?
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32910844#32910844

Wherever Jaycee and her kids are now, must seem like a castle. How they lived is just horrific. :crazy:

[my2sisters]

Posted in Media Links by Angel Who Cares: Authorities have also released the first photos from inside the Garrido home. Blackstone says they "gave another glimpse into life there -- "a mess" that "could show a household in disarray -- or the way a place looks after a police search. CBS News spoke with a private detective who was in the house before the Garridos were arrested who says it wasn't in disarray.

This answered one of the questions we all had. And (IMO) it shows the disrespect local LE has had for this case! I'm so glad other jurisdictions are now involved and it wasn't all left up to Contra Costa County LE.

[Billylee]

Those bricks look like a product called Z-brick, which is a thin brick like product you put up like tile and made to look like brick. Then painted white. They were popular in the
70's. That's my guess.

[Pink Panther]

Posted in Media Link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4174941&postcount=329)s by Angel Who Cares: Authorities have also released the first photos from inside the Garrido home. Blackstone says they "gave another glimpse into life there -- "a mess" that "could show a household in disarray -- or the way a place looks after a police search. CBS News spoke with a private detective who was in the house before the Garridos were arrested who says it wasn't in disarray.

This answered one of the questions we all had. And (IMO) it shows the disrespect local LE has had for this case! I'm so glad other jurisdictions are now involved and it wasn't all left up to Contra Costa County LE.
I hope that that LE gets their act together and pulls in some PR assistance. If not, they really are risking to be seen as the amateurs that so far, they appear to be! Was the place in such disarray or were these pics released after the first warrant/inspection? Not such a complicated issue to address and certainly doesn't touch on issues that affect JC's family privacy.

ticktock...ticktock...

As usual, rest assured, we will get NO INFORMATION because everyone is scrambling to cover their butts!

MOO

[Billylee]

After looking at the picutres of the condition of this place (and I do believe it's probably been somewhat messed up by the searches, i.e. chairs overturned etc.,), but especially the back yard, where in the heck was Child Protective Services?.... not for just a season or two.......but, all these years? The neighbors reported problems and hearing children, good grief, where was CPS? Even if he hadn't been a convicted rapist on parole, didn't anyone care why these children weren't going to school? Or were playing in that dump of a backyard? Geeze! It's just unbelievable, the lack of concern from everyone who SHOULD have cared and bothered to show some concern!

[Pink Panther]

I've been reading these posts and notice that there are no doors on some of the cabinets. The dishes are in the sink, but it does not look like they were put there by LE. I mean, if someone came into my kitchen and was looking through the cupboards, they would have a neat stack of dishes to take out and they would put them as a stack on the counter. This is not a case of LE coming in and making a mess out of this house. It was already a mess (I'm sure). And what's with the bricks on the walls?
Based on the pictures that have been released so far, I don't understand how they managed to cook, go to the bathroom/shower, or sleep. Was it THAT BAD??? Were the pics taken after the initial search? If they were taken after the initial search, what kind of a friggin' search was that? How could they even see the forrest through the trees? If they were taken after the initial search, I am so thankful that other agencies have been stepping in because that is really appalling! If they were taken before the search, the PO should be made to go and explain what the fric he was doing for however many years he was being paid to do it!

MOO

[my2sisters]

After looking at the picutres of the condition of this place (and I do believe it's probably been somewhat messed up by the searches, i.e. chairs overturned etc.,), but especially the back yard, where in the heck was Child Protective Services?.... not for just a season or two.......but, all these years? The neighbors reported problems and hearing children, good grief, where was CPS? Even if he hadn't been a convicted rapist on parole, didn't anyone care why these children weren't going to school? Or were playing in that dump of a backyard? Geeze! It's just unbelievable, the lack of concern from everyone who SHOULD have cared and bothered to show some concern!

You made me think about how bad it would have been during the rainy, cold winter months. The soil is mostly sand, but it still gets muddy.

The other thing is that most of those trees would have lost their leaves and made the yard much more visible.

[smgtheophilus]

typical of the hippie culture? hardly...more like the homeless culture, or junkie culture...I knew lots of hippies...nothing even close to this filth.

There were frequent crossings of all of these cultures - at least, in southern CA, and for the poorer hippies. I'm not counting the affluent hippies that settled in Topanga Canyon of course.

[my2sisters]

There were frequent crossings of all of these cultures - at least, in southern CA, and for the poorer hippies. I'm not counting the affluent hippies that settled in Topanga Canyon of course.

Living in Antioch, I can tell you that this is typical of the meth culture, past and present.

[Pink Panther]

Living in Antioch, I can tell you that this is typical of the meth culture, past and present.
Well, shouldn't that have been some sort of red flag to the Parole Officer that was "checking in" on him?

(Not directed at you my2sisters.)

[Missizzy]

I agree with Billylee. Where was CPS? It's been determined that LE usually has to see an infraction to be able to investigate but CPS had to have had some reports. If they got a report, it would have been staffed and I'm all but certain they would have sent out an investigator. I can't imagine tagging this one "unfounded" after listening to anybody's report. By the time someone has the gumption to make the call, they tend to maximize an issue rather than minimize it. The reports remain anonymous (until a trial, at least) and the investigator does not actually have to "see" the neglect or abuse occur. It is their job to investigate the allegation. So, where was CPS? Also, I've wondered why no school officials, local teachers, truancy officers, or Childfind (looking for children with special needs) workers had no questions about the girls. Would NG has truly been that convincing of her home schooling of the younger girls and of Jaycee, years ago?

[Missizzy]

A brief overview of the home schooling laws of California:

http://www.hslda.org/laws/analysis/California.pdf

[smgtheophilus]

looks like they're just redistributing the trash around...i will give that it was a little more organized in it's disgusting-ness before LE came in. thanks for the comparisons!

And, that was the point I was trying to make - it was definitely squalor, and many pictures are consistent with conditions that a cumpulsive hoarder, or drug addict, or person with mental problems, might live in. BUT - there were many elements suggesting that LE was indiscriminant in their search.

The most telling example is the before and after pictures of the above-ground pool. On the day the news broke the pool was intact, and the the yard surrounding it was clear (see my previous post). Within a week it looks like someone came in with a bulldozer and dumped a huge load of trash right on top of the ladder end of the pool, collapsing the walls.

I could care less, except for the fact that - IT'S A CRIME SCENE! There really has to be some level of control. Otherwise, defense lawyers will submit before and after photos and try to suggest that LE planted something.

[Openmind]

I think this house shows just how the Garridos lived. He is a kidnapper, rapist, liar, fanatic, pervert -- so it fits, to me, he would live in filth. I have seen homes in the news that looked just like this that were owned by reclusive people. The LE may have made many mistakes and failed to manage this man, but I don't think they are going to go into this house and toss it this way and make it even harder to uncover evidence.

CBS News spoke with a private detective who was in the house before the Garridos were arrested who says it wasn't in disarray.


I am curious why a detective was in the home? Did he go room to room? Did he see any evidence of the girls? If he just stood in hallway or front room, he may have missed the real mess.

I am sure Jaycee and the girls are learning to appreciate a clean home, a decent bath and kitchen -- a houes with order.

Jaycee Lee Dugard Wants Her Pets Back

http://cbs13.com/local/jaycee.dugard.pets.2.1193796.html

Contra Costa County animal services Lt. Joe DeCosta said Friday that an advocate of Dugard has indicated that she wants her five cats, two dogs, three cockatiels, a pigeon and a mouse back in her possession.


I hope they get their pets back very soon.

[Openmind]

And, that was the point I was trying to make - it was definitely squalor, and many pictures are consistent with conditions that a cumpulsive hoarder, or drug addict, or person with mental problems, might live in. BUT - there were many elements suggesting that LE was indiscriminant in their search.

The most telling example is the before and after pictures of the above-ground pool. On the day the news broke the pool was intact, and the the yard surrounding it was clear (see my previous post). Within a week it looks like someone came in with a bulldozer and dumped a huge load of trash right on top of the ladder end of the pool, collapsing the walls.

I could care less, except for the fact that - IT'S A CRIME SCENE! There really has to be some level of control. Otherwise, defense lawyers will submit before and after photos and try to suggest that LE planted something.

It does me wonder how easy is it to sort through and manage trash. The yard was and is a nightmare.

I hate the idea of having to listen to the lawyers defend this man.

[smgtheophilus]

I'm going out on a limb here and posting a link to the abatement violation photos of our grandchild's other grandparents.

http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Files/1-9-09%20Agenda.pdf

Nothing against you, of course - just that the person who invented bitmap scanning should be taken out and shot! I had many scans I paid good money for that ended up being worthless because they were bitmaps, and I couldn't convert them.

[Pink Panther]

It does me wonder how easy is it to sort through and manage trash. The yard was and is a nightmare.

I hate the idea of having to listen to the lawyers defend this man.
I agree and I'm hoping that we won't have to...

[kgeaux]

These are the two links to pictures obtained from the county inspector's office from KCRA-3:

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972701/detail.html

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html

Now, compare image 26 from the first link to this picture:

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And image 1 from the second link to this picture:

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It's clear that LE is trashing the place looking for evidence.

It is clear to me, too. I've actually seen "before" and "after" pictures of other scenes which were searched by police, and what we're seeing isn't all that unusual.

I see your point. In the first set of pictures, it looks like the first was taken after much of what was inside was removed. However, I would hardly say LE was trashing the place. That place was already trashed. Surely LE didn't put a monstrous stack of dirty dishes in the sink and on the counters, or fill the house and yard with all that crap. All that stuff came from their home and the property simply doesn't look like it could reasonably contain it all. Again, they did not conduct a raid. Nevertheless, in viewing your comparison photos, it does seem that the later taken set do not relfect reality as much as the first. Good catch.

The kitchen scene, to me anyway, looks as if dishes, etc. were just swept out of the cabinets into the sink and onto the stove. I just don't see food on the dishes!

I believe three people who have claimed to be inside of the home have described it as neat. (Not trying to defend the Garrido's, just trying to understand the actual facts of the case.) Chevy, a male customer of the printing business and a law enforcement detective are the three I'm remembering who claimed the condition of the house as they saw it was nothing like the pics. we were shown and led to believe were the actual living conditions. I know that some of the decorations in the home look as though someone tried to make a nice house---probably Garrido's mom.

To me, the pics. look exactly like what I've seen of "after" photos of police searches. Yes, stuff is tossed around. Stuff is even ripped open sometimes!

Posted in Media Link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4174941&postcount=329)s by Angel Who Cares: Authorities have also released the first photos from inside the Garrido home. Blackstone says they "gave another glimpse into life there -- "a mess" that "could show a household in disarray -- or the way a place looks after a police search. CBS News spoke with a private detective who was in the house before the Garridos were arrested who says it wasn't in disarray.

This answered one of the questions we all had. And (IMO) it shows the disrespect local LE has had for this case! I'm so glad other jurisdictions are now involved and it wasn't all left up to Contra Costa County LE.


I don't know if I would call it disrespect. Maybe it is.

What is so disturbing to me, besides the Number One Rant of how in the Hell this guy was able to keep Jaycee hidden for so long due to the extreme lack of "giving a care" on the side of the parole office, is that Phillip Garrido and Nancy Garrido actually looked normal at the time Jaycee was taken. If the home was kept in some sort of order and not totally trashed, then it would mean that PG and NG had continued to care about their living conditions----and that seemingly normal people who lived in a seemingly normal house could have hidden such depravity is just shocking and scary.

[kgeaux]

It does me wonder how easy is it to sort through and manage trash. The yard was and is a nightmare.

I hate the idea of having to listen to the lawyers defend this man.

I can honestly say that I don't want to hear the defense for this man and woman, but TRULY am praying that the defense at least puts forth some sort of effort so we don't have to go through a mis-trial or give these animals any grounds for appeal.

May the "guilty" verdict be unassailable!

[gitana1]

For a good overview of Compulsive Hoarding Disorder, check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

The photos tell the whole story.
Looks a lot like the garrido house, both in the before pictures (of the yard) and after.

[SunnieRN]

Sunnie, I've also been a home health therapist. I don't think a home health agency was ever in this house! I think Nancy- with CNA experience- was just taking care of her mother-in-law, paid or not as she knew to do! I totally agree that anybody who had come out from a home health agency would have called APS under these conditions! I really don't believe LE messed the house up this bad- I have seen residences this bad-I think this is how the Garrido's lived undetected!

I think that is the point I was trying to get across with my post. The only LE that had been to the house was PG's PO, but there were customers who had been in the house. I can't imagine that it was always in that bad of shape. I think it was dirty and cluttered, but I think there has to be more to the story.

I am in no way trying to defend the monstrosity of a horrible situation this is, but even the most heartless, clueless, ignorant PO in the world would not turn away from the squalor in those pictures. I guess I should say I certainly hope not!!

Also the front of the house, outside was cared for. It would be unusual for there to be that big a difference. As for back, I have nothing. It is beyond comprehension how or why he would allow children to live out there in the type of neighborhood it is.

[thatswhatshesaid]

Well, shouldn't that have been some sort of red flag to the Parole Officer that was "checking in" on him?

IKR? The first thing I thought of looking at these photos is one of the early excuses of the P.O that there was "no sign" of Jaycee and her daughters living there. Even if the house looked 50% better than this pre-LE HOW in the *#)@ could he tell who lived there? I don't look at the potential chaos as an excuse for that P.O either.

[thatswhatshesaid]

For a good overview of Compulsive Hoarding Disorder, check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

The photos tell the whole story.

ITA. Just seeing pictures of the back yard the first week of the case made me think CH. My DH has a relative who had this compulsion, and no joke, he came and sat by me as I was looking the pix for the first time, visibly shuddered and said, "What are you looking at? It looks just like XXXX's house!" Has no bearing on their mental state, I know, but it adds another (potential) disturbing layer to this case, as Jaycee and those precious girls had NO choice to leave that squalor.

[Natal]

As for back, I have nothing. It is beyond comprehension how or why he would allow children to live out there in the type of neighborhood it is.

Lol...you do realize that he was probably the most dangerous person in that neighborhood right? ;) The person the children had to fear the most was right behind them, not in some other house.

[Openmind]

Looks a lot like the garrido house, both in the before pictures (of the yard) and after.

It really does.

My mother had a friend that suffered from this condition. She hoarded magazines and newspapers. To see her on the street, she was clean and neat and the yard of her house looked just fine, but when you went inside you saw stacks and stacks of newspapers. Over the years, the hoarding escalated until it was impossible to move around her home and she became estranged from her family. Tragically, her house caught on fire and she was killed.

[thatswhatshesaid]

I don't know if I would call it disrespect. Maybe it is.

What is so disturbing to me, besides the Number One Rant of how in the Hell this guy was able to keep Jaycee hidden for so long due to the extreme lack of "giving a care" on the side of the parole office, is that Phillip Garrido and Nancy Garrido actually looked normal at the time Jaycee was taken. If the home was kept in some sort of order and not totally trashed, then it would mean that PG and NG had continued to care about their living conditions----and that seemingly normal people who lived in a seemingly normal house could have hidden such depravity is just shocking and scary.

It is disturbing and it shows they had enough mental facilities for deception by keeping the front of the house normal looking. And yeah, that wedding picture kind of turns my stomach because (and it makes me sick to type this knowing what we know) if I saw it in any normal forum I would have thought they were both attractive and made a handsome couple "back in the day". I know there's the proverbial Bundy example, but each case still shocks me.

[SunnieRN]

Lol...you do realize that he was probably the most dangerous person in that neighborhood right? ;) The person the children had to fear the most was right behind them, not in some other house.

Well for Jaycee and her daughters that is most true, but the neighborhood is not known to be safe.

[LinasK]

I think that is the point I was trying to get across with my post. The only LE that had been to the house was PG's PO, but there were customers who had been in the house. I can't imagine that it was always in that bad of shape. I think it was dirty and cluttered, but I think there has to be more to the story.

I am in no way trying to defend the monstrosity of a horrible situation this is, but even the most heartless, clueless, ignorant PO in the world would not turn away from the squalor in those pictures. I guess I should say I certainly hope not!!

Also the front of the house, outside was cared for. It would be unusual for there to be that big a difference. As for back, I have nothing. It is beyond comprehension how or why he would allow children to live out there in the type of neighborhood it is.
Do we know for sure that the customers were actually in the house, or maybe just in the garage or one room fixed up? My husband has a friend with OCD whose house was so bad, you could one walk in one path through the house, there was so much clutter! He was growing plants in his bathtub. We think he didn't cook much.
Garrido kept up the front of the house as not to attract attention. Probably met the PO outside and convinced him there was no need to look any further...

[SunnieRN]

Do we know for sure that the customers were actually in the house, or maybe just in the garage or one room fixed up? My husband has a friend with OCD whose house was so bad, you could one walk in one path through the house, there was so much clutter! He was growing plants in his bathtub. We think he didn't cook much.
Garrido kept up the front of the house as not to attract attention. Probably met the PO outside and convinced him there was no need to look any further...

On several news reports customers have stated they had been to and in the house. If they really have, who knows? But more than one customer stated that. Also the neighbor who is good friends with PG's Mom, the one who states that "Nancy took such good care of her", must certainly have been in the house at some point.

I think I've figured out why this is bothering me so much. If Jaycee was working in the house every day, keeping her girls there with her, I think she would have tried to at least be able to cook for the girls and have a place where they had room to bathe and shower,

I know with all the c*** around she couldn't have done a lot, but I think she probably at least tried to keep it habitable. The girls in the picture that CM gave away or sold had clean hair and clean clothes on. Someone had to make sure that happend. I think that someone was Jaycee.

[JulieNMM]

I would like to know how much access JC had to the house. All the news reports say that she lived in the backyard and had to use an outdoor toilet and campground-like shower for 18 years. I wonder if she and the girls were allowed to use the indoor facilities and maybe just slept outside and kept their stuff out there, because there wasn't enough room inside the house?

[Missizzy]

I want to agree with Billylee again about the "tile/brick" in the kitchen. I had my husband look at the photo. He's a general contractor and has built and remodeled hundreds of kitchens. He agreed that it is most likely Z-Brick from the 70's painted with a white enamel paint to make it washable. The Garridos could have easily installed it themselves he said.

My concern was that if it was tile, it looked to be recent and professionally installed. According to my husband, that's not the case. Just wanted to clear that up. One interesting point he made was that people often installed the Z-Brick over water damaged areas as I'm pretty sure that kitchen must have had, given the level of "housekeeping". He added that when removed, it often has mold behind it.

He also commented that the kitchen looks exactly like our grandchild's other grandparents' house. I know it's shocking to a lot of people that families can live like this but it does happen. Almost unbelievable but true.

[Natal]

I would like to know how much access JC had to the house. All the news reports say that she lived in the backyard and had to use an outdoor toilet and campground-like shower for 18 years. I wonder if she and the girls were allowed to use the indoor facilities and maybe just slept outside and kept their stuff out there, because there wasn't enough room inside the house?

Access to the house was probably limited to any chores she might need to do, and work for the printing business. Possibly they ate indoors as well, apparently their diet consisted of TV dinners and meatloaf, stuff like that, which presumably would have had to be prepared in the kitchen.

[JDB]

I really wish we could fine out if the Pics were before or after the LE did the search.

[songline]

typical of the hippie culture? hardly...more like the homeless culture, or junkie culture...I knew lots of hippies...nothing even close to this filth.

I am an old hippie; or was one in my day :)
None of us were dirty at all. not even a little bit.
some were sometimes a little messy.
what you saw here is filth, uninhabitable filth.
Not hippie for sure.

[my2sisters]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...24812#32924812 (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...24812#32924812)

In the newscast there's a crayon drawing on the refrigerator of butterflies.

I think PG & NG created a family for themselves and according to PG he changed so maybe he has convinced the girls that he was "healed". In his jailhouse statement he said that he has spent the past several years working on his breakthrough. I can imagine it was tough to be around him speaking in tongues and obsessed with his "invention". I can't explain it very well, but do you see where I'm going here?

[i.b.nora]

2SISTERS Your MSNBC link doesn't work.

[mgardner]

http://www.kcra.com/news/20972002/detail.html. Warning, these are nasty, filthy pictures! Those poor angels!

Thanks, I'm sure someone has already said this -- but this would be a mean episode for Hoarders! Egads!

Melanie

[my2sisters]

2SISTERS Your MSNBC link doesn't work.

Thanks.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32924812#32924812 (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32924812#32924812)

[MBK]

Great that you spotted the butterfly pix, my2sisters. I think that the fridge is cropped out of other copies of that photograph online!!!! Just one butterfly is visible, as I remember, and I didn't know what it was. Huh.

Anyway, so now we have two children's drawings that we know of hanging up in the house - - the Angell drawing and this. Ay yi yi. I guess the parole officer never made it into the kitchen . . . or something.

PG was wrong - - it's not heartwarming, it's heartbreaking.
Well, the butterfly is a symbol of new life . . quite apt . . . let's hope . .. for the girls.

[roller26]

I feel for the crime scene investigators. Aside from the filth, it looks like a terribly difficult scene to process.

[Pink Panther]

I feel for the crime scene investigators. Aside from the filth, it looks like a terribly difficult scene to process.
I DON"T feel for the crime scene investigators one iota. I feel for a child/woman who grew up in tents in a backyard and who gave birth to children as a result of rape. A "difficult scene to process"..yep, surely. How about a "difficult scene to process" for those who were abused and lived (thankfully) to tell their tale?

MOO

I hope that this family manages to find peace and I truly hope that, unfortunately - in order to do so, that they realize that the world is waiting to hear and digest this sordid tale.

[Pink Panther]

I feel for the crime scene investigators. Aside from the filth, it looks like a terribly difficult scene to process.
Blah. I would like to express myself even MORE clearly on this subject...I could give a rat's azz about the "crime scene" investigators. Jaycee, her daughters and other potential victims are the ONLY people I could give a chite about!

MOO

[my2sisters]

Great that you spotted the butterfly pix, my2sisters. I think that the fridge is cropped out of other copies of that photograph online!!!! Just one butterfly is visible, as I remember, and I didn't know what it was. Huh.

Anyway, so now we have two children's drawings that we know of hanging up in the house - - the Angell drawing and this. Ay yi yi. I guess the parole officer never made it into the kitchen . . . or something.

PG was wrong - - it's not heartwarming, it's heartbreaking.
Well, the butterfly is a symbol of new life . . quite apt . . . let's hope . .. for the girls.

On my monitor the drawing looks like it says ANGEL.

Yeah, how could the PO miss any one of these things???

[panthera]

Yeah, and in another photo there was an upright vacuum :doh:
I just finished looking at all those photos, and it makes me wonder when the last time some of these items were even used ~ like the vacuum, shower, the hand sanitizer in the kitchen, and so much more. I can't even see how they could've cooked anything there with piles of stuff on top of the stove. It's far worse than a pig sty, imo. And that fish tank ~ :sick: MOO

[cindysue]

Well his projection room looked the cleanest of all. It had a computer in there to. I mean seriously who has a projection screen set up in their home. Think we all know what he was doing for entertainment in his house. Just sickness nonstop in that house im guessing.

[oh_gal]

I'd like to expound on my "maybe the house was clean..." comment.
I'm sure some of you thought I was either nuts or hadn't had any coffee (or wasn't wearing my glasses) yet when I posted that comment.

I know people who live like this. I've been over their house after they'd "cleaned" and it looked just like those pictures. My point was, if the G's were hoarders, they most likely don't see the filth or clutter that we do.

[songline]

I DON"T feel for the crime scene investigators one iota. I feel for a child/woman who grew up in tents in a backyard and who gave birth to children as a result of rape. A "difficult scene to process"..yep, surely. How about a "difficult scene to process" for those who were abused and lived (thankfully) to tell their tale?

MOO

I hope that this family manages to find peace and I truly hope that, unfortunately - in order to do so, that they realize that the world is waiting to hear and digest this sordid tale.
I agree that the girls had a horrific life, that is why we are all here. Praying for them and hoping they have a new start in life. (and of course also hoping that despicable couple never gets out of jail).

BUT the investigators are humans too: I agree with roller26 They do have a hard job, they sure see far worse then what we get to see here. Just walking amongst all this hovel is a constant reminder of what those poor girls lived in.
You and I get to walk away and also live our lives, the investigators are there daily.
I thank God It is not my job.

[songline]

Growing up in the hippie culture in southern california, I frequently saw scenes similar to these, with papers strewn around, dishes piled in the sink, random stuff piled onto dining room tables, etc.

Some comments about specific rooms (From this link, where most of the interior shots were taken):

http://www.kcra.com/slideshow/news/20972906/detail.html

Photo 14 - typical of an unkempt house
Photo 15 - also typical. It appears that a computer projector is set up to display on the upraised screen.
Photo 17 - piles of stuff stacked on a table are typical. I wonder about the piles of stuff on the floor, though. Again, not inconsistent with what I've seen before.
Photo 18 & 19 - piles of dishes. I've seen this many times, but another contributor did note that most of the dishes don't appear to be used. I've actually seen situations where uneaten food and even mold was present. Odd that that doesn't be the case here.
Photo 20 - cat food supplies and overall mess I've seen before. A chair on TOP of the mess, with stuff on TOP of the chair, I haven't. This suggests that someone moved the chair here because they were searching elsewhere. All the cupboards opened is a tell for LE searches.
Photo 21 - not inconsistent with an unkempt house.
Photo 24 - I've even seen things this messy, but the chair thrown on top of the mess is out of place.
Photo 25 - unkempt, but livable.
Photo 26 & 27 - mattresses thrown about and piles of stuff are out of place for a living space. This doesn't even fit the profile of a storage room - with upended matresses. The mattress appears to be new. A mess that evolves over time has to have SOME form to it, as things are piled into a room over time - a mess created in a short amount of time doesn't have any recognizable form. This screams 'police search' to me.
Photo 28 & 29 - there the bathroom is made unusable by debris and boxes on the floor. This was not done by anyone that uses this bathroom. Again, no form to the mess.
Photo 30 - mess on the floor looks 'lived in'. Piles of clothes and chair on top of the bed look like the results of a search.
Photo 31 & 32 - bags and boxes making another bathroom unusable. This also appears to be the results of a search.
Photo 34 - unkempt houses typically have some organization - Messes that evolve show purpose... papers and books stacked and organized, pathways for getting around the mess, etc. Here everything is thrown around and piled on otherwise usable furniture.
Photo 35 - another chair upended on a loveseat. Tell for a search.
I was raised in that culture too.... I was a hippy and my house was clean.
I hung out with hippies and their house was clean too, maybe they were a bit more messy
but I am a Virgo = neatnik... :)

NOP ! DIRTY WAS NOT OUR MOTTO, CULTURE or LIFESTYLE.
Free spirit was our real lifestyle. (not dirty) Nothing about them relates to hippy, or beatnik.
They were just pigs on every level.

[smgtheophilus]

I was raised in that culture too.... I was a hippy and my house was clean.
I hung out with hippies and their house was clean too, maybe they were a bit more messy
but I am a Virgo = neatnik... :)

NOP ! DIRTY WAS NOT OUR MOTTO, CULTURE or LIFESTYLE.
Free spirit was our real lifestyle. (not dirty) Nothing about them relates to hippy, or beatnik.
They were just pigs on every level.

Probably just a difference in experience. Growing up, our house was always a mess, and every other house I went to was a mess, with stuff piled up. Cars and vans were filled with crap. People lived like they were homeless. But perhaps that is a symptom of hippies + drugs. Or Hippies + poverty. Like I said before, I'm not including the affluent hippies that were all over LA at the time.

[songline]

I just finished looking at all those photos, and it makes me wonder when the last time some of these items were even used ~ like the vacuum, shower, the hand sanitizer in the kitchen, and so much more. I can't even see how they could've cooked anything there with piles of stuff on top of the stove. It's far worse than a pig sty, imo. And that fish tank ~ :sick: MOO

In the beginning I saw a picture with a box of cereal in JC's tent. I imagine that was what they often ate.
I too can not imagine cooking in that dump.
I am smiling now because they are eating well, and I am sure enjoying every bite. :)

[songline]

Well his projection room looked the cleanest of all. It had a computer in there to. I mean seriously who has a projection screen set up in their home. Think we all know what he was doing for entertainment in his house. Just sickness nonstop in that house im guessing.


:crazy: maybe I am nuts :crazy:
but what if he allowed the girls to watch video movies?

Would he be watching porn in front of them? :eek:
:waitasec: would they bond with him if they saw something like that :waitasec:
I really can not imagine. but maybe I am naive...

[songline]

Probably just a difference in experience. Growing up, our house was always a mess, and every other house I went to was a mess, with stuff piled up. Cars and vans were filled with crap. People lived like they were homeless. But perhaps that is a symptom of hippies + drugs. Or Hippies + poverty. Like I said before, I'm not including the affluent hippies that were all over LA at the time.
we were not affluent, but we were not drug users. Just a little smoke, went good with music.... :) but that is all.

[JulieNMM]

Access to the house was probably limited to any chores she might need to do, and work for the printing business. Possibly they ate indoors as well, apparently their diet consisted of TV dinners and meatloaf, stuff like that, which presumably would have had to be prepared in the kitchen.

I hadn't heard that about the TV dinners. Where did you find that info?

[roller26]

I DON"T feel for the crime scene investigators one iota. I feel for a child/woman who grew up in tents in a backyard and who gave birth to children as a result of rape. A "difficult scene to process"..yep, surely. How about a "difficult scene to process" for those who were abused and lived (thankfully) to tell their tale?

MOO

I hope that this family manages to find peace and I truly hope that, unfortunately - in order to do so, that they realize that the world is waiting to hear and digest this sordid tale.


No doubt. I didn't mean to minimize the tragedy that took place there. Nor what jaycee & her girls suffered. Im sorry if I offended you. The pictures are very hard to look at- at the time of my post I think I was attempting to focus on another aspect to relieve a heavy heart and mind.

[MBK]

I hadn't heard that about the TV dinners. Where did you find that info?

I saw Ramen noodles in one of the photographs of the interior of the Garrido residence.

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/photos/image_20090918/Picture%205.jpg

I believe there is a microwave in one of the sheds in the backyard (?)

[Natal]

I hadn't heard that about the TV dinners. Where did you find that info?

There was some news item (I don't recall where) that mentioned what they were feeding them in the safe house. Apparently it was that stuff because it was what they were used to. No "fizzy drinks" either IIRC, just cold water.

[Miss_Scarlett]

the sheds in the backyard seemed to be in better (cleaner, more organized) condition than the house

this doesn't even look like a case of hoarding, b/c even hoarders maintain some kind of organized chaos (at least the ones I've seen - usually piles of random stuff but with clear pathways through the piles)

I thought it was ironic to see a towel hanging over the shower stall & what looks like deodorant sitting on a dresser in that pigsty


You should watch Hoarders on A&E on Monday nights. It's been on a few weeks. Hoarders often start out with slightly organized piles, but if there is no help with the condition and/or a big stressor occurs (on the show it's mostly death of a parent or spouse) it just becomes a huge mess like those photos.

The film screen creeps me out. We had one (or my grandparents did, so maybe it's his mother's) when I was young, but it makes me wonder what kind of movies he's watching!

[Miss_Scarlett]

In the photo of the kitchen sink, you will note that there is a hand sanitizer dispenser on the cupboard that is hanging on the left hand side of the sink.

These people lived like pigs, yet they had hand sanitizer in that dump?

God bless Jaycee and her two daughters. I pray most fervently that they are able to overcome the atrocities to which they have been subjected, and of which I just cannot begin to fathom.

I noticed that, too! I don't know anyone who has a dispenser like that even if it's just soap. Maybe it's something his mother put in or from a previous owner. Or, oddly, I saw a woman on a hoarding show (MSNBC had some great specials on it) who said she could not clean up her house because it was too dirty. It has a weird kind of logic, though. The computer set up in Garrido's home facing the film screen reminded me of one apt they were cleaning up on an MSNBC show where the professional cleaner said there is often a "control station" type area, or something like that, in the midst of the mess.

[Miss_Scarlett]

I don't really know how to express what I've been thinking about, but I'll TRY.

I've been really struck by the "abandoned" stuffed animals in the photographs, and this was brought home by the panda in these photos.

From what I've experienced in my life, children often give their stuffed animals human characteristics - - they don't want them to get cold, feel pain, be lonely. Thus, a child will take care of a stuffed animal, tucking it into bed, making sure it's sitting with its other toy "friends", etc.

Yes, I know that Jaycee's kids are older, BUT. . . it's not really a feeling that we ever lose, is it . . .

I am wondering about the abandoned panda we see in the new photos shown in the link here, the teddy bear on the trampoline, an abandoned tweety bird in the dirt http://extras.mercurynews.com/slideshows/news/2009/08/jaycee_dugard_0831/ which just was so poignant to me, etc.

What's going on with these stuffed animals? Do you think that they "belonged", if only for a short time, to other kidnapped children? That Jaycee or the girls rejected them as something to love?

Maybe I'm making much ado about nothing, but I think that the stuffed animals in the yard have some sort of significance, if even, sadly, signifying terribly hurt girls who cannot be comforted by something so simple . . .

I know what you mean. When I was maybe five or so I accidentally left Teddy out by my swing set overnight, and it rained. I cried so hard and felt so guilty that I'd "done" that do him. I'm in my 40s and still remember how I felt! That's why I understood Tom Hanks and the soccer ball in the movie Castaway. That scene really made me cry.

[Miss_Scarlett]

I personally noticed the "commercial hand washing liquid dispenser" mounted on the cabinet next to the sink FILLED with nasty dirty dishes.

they were obviously hoarders as well as just plain pigs. From the looks of the house - I'm willing to say they ALL slept out back in the tents - there was NO ROOM for even one body to lay down in that house.

It's possible that even if the police did not raid the house that they did place items on beds and other furniture just so they'd have room to walk safely. Maybe all of that stuff was on the floor before.

[Miss_Scarlett]

There is a great book called "Ghosty Men" about two famous hoarding brothers and the filth that led to their demise. Even they had paths!

I think it was based on the Collyer Brothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers

There is a new novel based on their lives just out called Homer & Langley: Amazon.com: Homer & Langley: A Novel (9781400064946): E.L. Doctorow: Books

For people who don't know... They were very rich and hoarded literally tons of junk, including an old car in their home. One brother was blind and the other took care of him. One day the sighted brother was killed when a huge stack of newspapers (he kept them to create a complete news source) fell on him. The other brother died later when no one came to care for him and he could not get out. They were rich, intelligent, and lived in a large home, yet still hoarded this way. It's a disorder just like anorexia or OCD or any number of problems. Not just laziness.

[kgeaux]

I think it was based on the Collyer Brothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers

There is a new novel based on their lives just out called Homer & Langley: Amazon.com: Homer & Langley: A Novel (9781400064946): E.L. Doctorow: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Homer-Langley-Novel-E-L-Doctorow/dp/1400064945)

For people who don't know... They were very rich and hoarded literally tons of junk, including an old car in their home. One brother was blind and the other took care of him. One day the sighted brother was killed when a huge stack of newspapers (he kept them to create a complete news source) fell on him. The other brother died later when no one came to care for him and he could not get out. They were rich, intelligent, and lived in a large home, yet still hoarded this way. It's a disorder just like anorexia or OCD or any number of problems. Not just laziness.


I think these were the brothers who were very intelligent---genius level, IIRC. This mental illness can strike anyone, anywhere! The Collyer story is a very, very interesting one. The part about the car in the basement---and was there a collection of rubber balls? I need to re-read.

Hoarders normally do not hoard due to laziness or because they're just dirty people. They hoard because there is a mental process going on that will not let them part with things.

The pics of the outdoor areas seem to support that a hoarder lived there---I just don't know if it was Phillip, Nancy, his mother or who? The interior, to be honest, doesn't look like a hoarding situation to me. It looks to me like things were moved out of closets and cabinets during the search and nothing was replaced. There just isn't enough stuff in the house to make me believe all that stuff was left lying around like that by the Garridos. We see partically empty storage spaces in the kitchen, while the dishes are piled to the ceiling. I think those dishes may have filled those spaces! (Just my opinion, not trying to defend the monsters.)

[Angelmuse]

On my monitor the drawing looks like it says ANGEL.

Yeah, how could the PO miss any one of these things???

Yes I noticed that too it really jumped out at me. Amongst this pile of rubbish is what does appear to be a child's art work, which makes this even more heart breaking. :(

[Openmind]

This is not a socioeconomic issue. Recently, they had a movie about Jackie Kennedy's aunt and cousin that lived it squalor. It was based on a documentary about the two and a history about their lives.


In the fall of 1971 and throughout 1972, their living conditions—their house was infested by fleas, inhabited by numerous cats and raccoons, deprived of running water, and filled with garbage and decay—were exposed as the result of an article in the National Enquirer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Enquirer) and a cover story in New York Magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_(magazine))[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Gardens#cite_note-2) after a series of inspections (which the Beales called "raids") by the Suffolk County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_County,_New_York) Health Department. With the Beale women facing eviction and the razing of their home, in the summer of 1972 Jacqueline Onassis and her sister Lee Radziwill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Radziwill) provided the necessary funds to stabilize and repair the dilapidated house so that it would meet Village codes.


source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Gardens

Once upon a time, someone cared for the Garrido home. The furnishings are dated, but they were stylish in their day, undoubtedly, when Garrido's mother had her health and took care of herself and her house. This clutter and disarray took time to collect. Truthfully, I have seen pictures of much worse. The fact Jaycee was forced to live like this -- and in the backyard, at that -- is just one more depravity she had to endure.

[songline]

I don't really know how to express what I've been thinking about, but I'll TRY.

I've been really struck by the "abandoned" stuffed animals in the photographs, and this was brought home by the panda in these photos.

From what I've experienced in my life, children often give their stuffed animals human characteristics - - they don't want them to get cold, feel pain, be lonely. Thus, a child will take care of a stuffed animal, tucking it into bed, making sure it's sitting with its other toy "friends", etc.

Yes, I know that Jaycee's kids are older, BUT. . . it's not really a feeling that we ever lose, is it . . .

I am wondering about the abandoned panda we see in the new photos shown in the link here, the teddy bear on the trampoline, an abandoned tweety bird in the dirt http://extras.mercurynews.com/slideshows/news/2009/08/jaycee_dugard_0831/ which just was so poignant to me, etc.

What's going on with these stuffed animals? Do you think that they "belonged", if only for a short time, to other kidnapped children? That Jaycee or the girls rejected them as something to love?

Maybe I'm making much ado about nothing, but I think that the stuffed animals in the yard have some sort of significance, if even, sadly, signifying terribly hurt girls who cannot be comforted by something so simple . . .
Maybe I am just a practical thinker, but I imagine that the LE agency that took the girl from the station
when PG & NG were arrested and got them prepared to go home to JCs Mom would have asked them;
"Is there anything you want from that house? to take along?" I just assume that would be a protocol.
But what do I know? Other than it just makes sense, since the girls were removed from what is familiar.
I think it would be important to ask that question. LE did a lousy job regarding these girls for 18 years.

I used to do counseling; It would be an important question IMO, but maybe this is very different.

[flourish]

I think it was based on the Collyer Brothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers

There is a new novel based on their lives just out called Homer & Langley: Amazon.com: Homer & Langley: A Novel (9781400064946): E.L. Doctorow: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Homer-Langley-Novel-E-L-Doctorow/dp/1400064945)

For people who don't know... They were very rich and hoarded literally tons of junk, including an old car in their home. One brother was blind and the other took care of him. One day the sighted brother was killed when a huge stack of newspapers (he kept them to create a complete news source) fell on him. The other brother died later when no one came to care for him and he could not get out. They were rich, intelligent, and lived in a large home, yet still hoarded this way. It's a disorder just like anorexia or OCD or any number of problems. Not just laziness.

Yes, those are they guys I was talking about, thank you for being so much less lazy than me and adding all this info:) :dance:

[flourish]

Maybe I am just a practical thinker, but I imagine that the LE agency that took the girl from the station
when PG & NG were arrested and got them prepared to go home to JCs Mom would have asked them;
"Is there anything you want from that house? to take along?" I just assume that would be a protocol.
But what do I know? Other than it just makes sense, since the girls were removed from what is familiar.
I think it would be important to ask that question. LE did a lousy job regarding these girls for 18 years.

I used to do counseling; It would be an important question IMO, but maybe this is very different.

bbm
This situation may go beyond any previously defined protocol, I reckon.

[Openmind]

Maybe I am just a practical thinker, but I imagine that the LE agency that took the girl from the station
when PG & NG were arrested and got them prepared to go home to JCs Mom would have asked them;
"Is there anything you want from that house? to take along?" I just assume that would be a protocol.
But what do I know? Other than it just makes sense, since the girls were removed from what is familiar.
I think it would be important to ask that question. LE did a lousy job regarding these girls for 18 years.

I used to do counseling; It would be an important question IMO, but maybe this is very different.

I don't think victims get to take anything with them from a suspected crime scene. When a child is taken into care, they are not allowed to pack a suitcase, take a toy, or any of their personal belongings. I don't think Jaycee or the girls got to go back and retrieve anything including all their pets.

[songline]

Thanks for the reply openmind :)
hmmmm. I think it is strange, but I am not a cop.
That place was home to them for 18 years what if they had a favorite something there...
Anyway...
they will be reunited with their pets.
JC was brought back in the night to give a detailed account of what happened when & where, and I think if she wanted something before she left, she would have said so.

[songline]

Yes I noticed that too it really jumped out at me. Amongst this pile of rubbish is what does appear to be a child's art work, which makes this even more heart breaking. :(

The Drawing could have been there for many years when JC was still a little girl... :(
But we also hears talk of small children....
I have a feeling that to pick up the rubbish it would be an added expense, so nothing ever got tossed it got piled into the back.
He never had to worry about anyone inspecting anything like children's toys that fall inot someones hands.
The only place his cars ever went when he was done with them is the dump.

[Openmind]

JC was brought back in the night to give a detailed account of what happened when & where, and I think if she wanted something before she left, she would have said so.

Other than the pets, I might not want anything from that place especially once I realized the reality of that life and what those items represented. If she was my child, I would tell them I would replace anything they had left behind. But I could also see them wanting those things that had special meaning and could give them comfort.

[Miss_Scarlett]

Yes, those are they guys I was talking about, thank you for being so much less lazy than me and adding all this info:) :dance:

I've been watching Hoarders lately (comes on tonight) so I've been reading up lately.

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

Did anyone notice that something in the house was missing? The printing business supplies?

[Charlie09]

Did anyone notice that something in the house was missing? The printing business supplies?

I think calling him a printer is an exaggeration. He was either a wholesaler or reseller of printed materials.

I've only heard of business cards, not sure what else they may have done.

[smgtheophilus]

I just watched a show on A&E called "Hoarders", about people who's homes are so filled with junk that serious intervention is necessary. in this episode a woman lost her children because of the mess while a guy's family threatened to toss him out.

The woman had a crew come in and cleaned the place up - but she put so much into storage that the court was unconvinced that her hoarding was under control. Her husband had to divorce her so that he could keep custody of the children.

After two days the guy kept having panic attacks about the stuff, and they only managed to clear the stairwell (where his wife broke her arm tripping over the clutter) and the kitchen table. He was kicked out, but nine weeks later his wife had a heart attack, so he's trying again.

Here's the link to the show information:

http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/

[jjenny]

I just watched a show on A&E called "Hoarders", about people who's homes are so filled with junk that serious intervention is necessary. in this episode a woman lost her children because of the mess while a guy's family threatened to toss him out.

The woman had a crew come in and cleaned the place up - but she put so much into storage that the court was unconvinced that her hoarding was under control. Her husband had to divorce her so that he could keep custody of the children.

After two days the guy kept having panic attacks about the stuff, and they only managed to clear the stairwell (where his wife broke her arm tripping over the clutter) and the kitchen table. He was kicked out, but nine weeks later his wife had a heart attack, so he's trying again.

Here's the link to the show information:

http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/

I watch that show too. One lady was hoarding food. They tried so hard to convince her most of the food was no good. She still insisted it was edible even if expiration date has passed a long time ago.

[Miss_Scarlett]

I watch that show too. One lady was hoarding food. They tried so hard to convince her most of the food was no good. She still insisted it was edible even if expiration date has passed a long time ago.


"How much bacteria do you think would have to be in that to make you sick?" asked one of the organizers.

[MBK]

Statement from Gilbert R. Maines, lawyer to Nancy Garrido, from his website, http://www.maineslaw.com/6899.html

Friday, September 18, 2009


Release of Photos

Photos from the building inspection department have been released somehow to media. These photos have not been viewed by this office at this time, nor have they become part of the evidence in this case at this point. There still has not been any discovery released to this office by the district attorney nor from any other source. There can, therefore, be no comment on what has not been produced to this office.


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[Natal]

Another link describing the experience of the PI Garrido hired. He claims to have been in the house prior to the Garrido's arrest and it looked nothing like the shambles after the police search.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/21/crimesider/entry5327690.shtml

[Natal]

duplicate post

[kgeaux]

Another link describing the experience of the PI Garrido hired. He claims to have been in the house prior to the Garrido's arrest and it looked nothing like the shambles after the police search.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/21/crimesider/entry5327690.shtml


Good article, Natal. Thanks!

[Natal]

It appears that the county has put a lien on the house.

http://www.kcra.com/mostpopular/22383598/detail.html

24k seems a little excessive for carting off a pile of junk though. I wonder how they came up with a number like that?

[kbl8201]

It appears that the county has put a lien on the house.

http://www.kcra.com/mostpopular/22383598/detail.html

24k seems a little excessive for carting off a pile of junk though. I wonder how they came up with a number like that?

gee i dont know.....probably payback for everything that was done there

[jazerelle]

There was an awful lot of junk in that back yard. We are talking 2 acres full of trash, sheds tents, old second hand toys, a pool three vehicles. Cost a lot to haul all that away.

In my opinion the living area was a mess partially because of being tossed and partially because they were not expecting company like they were when the pi came to visit. The kitchen sink area was probably that when prior to being tossed. If you look closely you see that the dishes truly are stacked and there are still dishes in the cupboards. They G's were hoarders. Also it is a pattern with child molesters to bring home gifts to their victims. 18 years is a lot of gifts which most likely came from garage sales not department stores. Granny probably kept the place tidy but once she was bed ridden the trash, garbage and excess used stuff just built up.