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my2sisters
09-25-2009, 08:38 PM
Sex offender Philip Garrido used Jehovahs Witness to get early parole (http://www.njnnetwork.com/njn/?p=22465)

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"...Jehovah’s Witnesses take pride in converting the down-and-out, drug addicts, people down on their luck.

In his study The Trumpet of Prophecy: A Sociological Study of Jehovah’s Witnesses sociologist James A. Beckford *(1) theorized that people with low social attachment are more likely to accept the other-world view of a religious cult like the Witnesses. Beckford, who writes on religion and teaches at the University of Warwick, Coventry, UK, found in his 1975 book that the most likely converts to the Jehovahs Witness cult are females in their mid-20’s who are dislocated from society due to a move away from their home location or through multiple child births in close succession.

Similar studies of the members of the Jim Jones cult who committed suicide in the 1970’s showed adherents were poor, dispossessed and looking for a new world order that Jones promised to deliver.

Garrido apparently strayed from Jehovahs Witnesses to form his own religious cult. In 2007, he began blogging under various titles. One blog”The Truth Will Set You Free” is eerily familiar to the insider dialogue of Jehovah’s Witnesses. To those inside the JW sect, the code word for Jehovah’s Witness is “The Truth”. Members use that bible quotation to define themselves as being “in the Truth”, “strong in the Truth” and defectors conversely as “weak in the Truth.”

It was the religious fanaticism that caught Philip and Nancy Garrido. They were spotted handing out religious pamphlets at UCLA Berkeley by police. Under questioning, the police became suspicious of the parolee and sex-offender accompanied by children...."

This article has many inaccuracies, but also some interesting insights into Garrido's cult.

kbl8201
09-25-2009, 11:59 PM
Sex offender Philip Garrido used Jehovahs Witness to get early parole (http://www.njnnetwork.com/njn/?p=22465)

<snip>
"...Jehovah’s Witnesses take pride in converting the down-and-out, drug addicts, people down on their luck.

In his study The Trumpet of Prophecy: A Sociological Study of Jehovah’s Witnesses sociologist James A. Beckford *(1) theorized that people with low social attachment are more likely to accept the other-world view of a religious cult like the Witnesses. Beckford, who writes on religion and teaches at the University of Warwick, Coventry, UK, found in his 1975 book that the most likely converts to the Jehovahs Witness cult are females in their mid-20’s who are dislocated from society due to a move away from their home location or through multiple child births in close succession.

Similar studies of the members of the Jim Jones cult who committed suicide in the 1970’s showed adherents were poor, dispossessed and looking for a new world order that Jones promised to deliver.

Garrido apparently strayed from Jehovahs Witnesses to form his own religious cult. In 2007, he began blogging under various titles. One blog”The Truth Will Set You Free” is eerily familiar to the insider dialogue of Jehovah’s Witnesses. To those inside the JW sect, the code word for Jehovah’s Witness is “The Truth”. Members use that bible quotation to define themselves as being “in the Truth”, “strong in the Truth” and defectors conversely as “weak in the Truth.”

It was the religious fanaticism that caught Philip and Nancy Garrido. They were spotted handing out religious pamphlets at UCLA Berkeley by police. Under questioning, the police became suspicious of the parolee and sex-offender accompanied by children...."

This article has many inaccuracies, but also some interesting insights into Garrido's cult.

as a christian i find it personally disgusting that these sicko cult leaders and con men like garrido use religion to further there delusions..........and use it to excuse the abuse of there victims like jaycee. may he rot in hell for so many reasons i cant even count............

txsvicki
09-26-2009, 12:15 AM
I could easily see PG eventually becoming another Jim Jones with no followers, but murdering the people living in and around his home. That is, if he were really serious. He seems more like a deranged con man to me.

kbl8201
09-26-2009, 12:29 AM
I could easily see PG eventually becoming another Jim Jones with no followers, but murdering the people living in and around his home. That is, if he were really serious. He seems more like a deranged con man to me.

well i bet cheyynne molino would be a devoted follower

meep meep
09-28-2009, 05:47 AM
It doesn't say much about the JW or point out how it differs from other religions. Is it really that different? What do they do that sets them apart from other forms of Christianity. And was he ever really a JW?? or did he just tell the parole board that he was.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 06:15 AM
It doesn't say much about the JW or point out how it differs from other religions. Is it really that different? What do they do that sets them apart from other forms of Christianity. And was he ever really a JW?? or did he just tell the parole board that he was.


whatever he claimed he was he was just using his religion as an excuse to carry out his evil deeds

smgtheophilus
09-28-2009, 09:13 AM
It doesn't say much about the JW or point out how it differs from other religions. Is it really that different? What do they do that sets them apart from other forms of Christianity. And was he ever really a JW?? or did he just tell the parole board that he was.

The Jehovah's Witnesses came out of the Adventist movement of the latter 19th century (which also gave rise to the Seventh Day Adventists).

They follow a strict form of the Old Testament law, modified through their own interpretations, and have a 'Last Days' mentality. They teach, for example, that the resurrection has already taken place, with 144,000 of the faithful having already been raptured to heaven (I believe they say this happened in 1914). So they don't believe any members of the JW church today will go to heaven - they, instead, teach that their followers will inherit the Earth after armegeddon, which will be happening "any day now". Everyone else will be annihilated, since they don't believe in hell.

They also do not believe Jesus is God, or believe in the Trinity - they believe in one father God, Jehovah. I'm not sure what they do with the Holy Spirit.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are most notorious for refusing blood transfusions, since some passages in the bible indicate that 'blood should not be eaten'. They are also contientious objectors to military service and refuse to salute government flags. This has brought them into conflict with other nations, who have restricted or banned the movement. But it follows their beliefs that society is morally corrupt and they need to separate themselves from it to be pure.


They run the Watchtower Tract society, and are also known for going door to door sharing their version of the gospel. They also have their own version of the bible, which has some passages that would have been re-written/re-translated so as to reflect a non-trinitarian view.

Here's their website:

http://www.watchtower.org/

There are many cult-watch websites about the JWs - here's one I found at random:

http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses

The wikipedia article is probably a bit more neutral:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses

And here is an article discussing their policies on child sex abuse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_child_sex_abuse

ED: And the organization Silent Lambs, seems to be bringing out information about child abuse and murders done by followers of JW:

http://www.silentlambs.org/



Hope this helps!

meep meep
09-28-2009, 10:28 AM
whatever he claimed he was he was just using his religion as an excuse to carry out his evil deeds

so true. and the terrible irony of his 'church' having 5 members -- 3 of them captive maybe even 4? ALL of the 'membership' considering the fact that 'god' is cheating by including himself on the paid roster. :innocent:

heck, those JW links are frightening. thanks for posting them smg, very informative. I had no idea they were so heavily drawn into the lives of the families and child abuse seems to be a recurring theme. it made me recall something I read recently that drew a link a link between the Watchtower and mind control (cults).
http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/mind-control/mind-control-used-by-the-watchtower-lifton-s-eight-points-examined.html

will have to track it down. was a good read

is there a thread somewhere that looks a religionin Garrido's background... like what religion is his mother? his father? his stepfather... etc... same with Nancy. was she a child in this cult? would be handy info to have on hand.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 10:48 AM
so true. and the terrible irony of his 'church' having 5 members -- 3 of them captive maybe even 4? ALL of the 'membership' considering the fact that 'god' is cheating by including himself on the paid roster. :innocent:

heck, those JW links are frightening. thanks for posting them smg, very informative. I had no idea they were so heavily drawn into the lives of the families and child abuse seems to be a recurring theme. it made me recall something I read recently that drew a link a link between the Watchtower and mind control (cults).
http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/mind-control/mind-control-used-by-the-watchtower-lifton-s-eight-points-examined.html

will have to track it down. was a good read

is there a thread somewhere that looks a religionin Garrido's background... like what religion is his mother? his father? his stepfather... etc... same with Nancy. was she a child in this cult? would be handy info to have on hand.

cant say what his parents were. but nancy i think was a jehovas witness before she met garrido?

Missizzy
09-28-2009, 03:04 PM
Has it ever been posted or publicized as to just what was in the religious tracts which PG wanted to pass out that day in Berkeley? Were they typical JW Watchtowers or were they specific to his "church" or invention?

I, too, am a Christian and do not believe or agree with many of the tenets of the JW. However, I think to be respectful, we need to be careful not to misalign a religious group in any way because of PG. I would think we have at least a few posters and/or guests who are JW who are appalled by the connection to their faith.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 03:14 PM
Has it ever been posted or publicized as to just what was in the religious tracts which PG wanted to pass out that day in Berkeley? Were they typical JW Watchtowers or were they specific to his "church" or invention?

I, too, am a Christian and do not believe or agree with many of the tenets of the JW. However, I think to be respectful, we need to be careful not to misalign a religious group in any way because of PG. I would think we have at least a few posters and/or guests who are JW who are appalled by the connection to their faith.

i agree. this isnt about jehovas witnesses the same way jones town and waco werent about religion. it's about a lunatic sex predator con man who victimies women and children and uses religion to do hide behind

Missizzy
09-28-2009, 03:22 PM
I feel as if I'm being a bit hypocritical here as I just stated that we need to move cautiously when discussing the possible, if any, connection to JW. As I sat here and thought, though, something came to mind. Because of our family's experience with child rape (several of our children were tortured, also), I constantly bookmark articles concerning child trauma. I went back and looked over my bookmarks and I found one that bothered me. The living conditions jumped out at me. It is in the silentlambs category and the link is:

http://www.silentlambs.org/fostermother.htm

I ran through it and was struck by some similarities with JC's case. I'll just put it out there and let everyone else see what they think. I agree with KBL and that this case is not about religion. It's about a predator.....and his wife.

If anyone thinks this is inappropriate, I'll remove it immediately.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 03:34 PM
I feel as if I'm being a bit hypocritical here as I just stated that we need to move cautiously when discussing the possible, if any, connection to JW. As I sat here and thought, though, something came to mind. Because of our family's experience with child rape (several of our children were tortured, also), I constantly bookmark articles concerning child trauma. I went back and looked over my bookmarks and I found one that bothered me. The living conditions jumped out at me. It is in the silentlambs category and the link is:

http://www.silentlambs.org/fostermother.htm

I ran through it and was struck by some similarities with JC's case. I'll just put it out there and let everyone else see what they think. I agree with KBL and that this case is not about religion. It's about a predator.....and his wife.

If anyone thinks this is inappropriate, I'll remove it immediately.

well that was nauseating.
notice it went unoticed for almost 20 years too?
wonder what other horrors jayce will tell other then the obvious ones

i.b.nora
09-28-2009, 03:43 PM
I think it is totally inappropriate.

Missizzy
09-28-2009, 03:47 PM
Nauseating is the word. Lord, I'm sitting here so sick to my stomach and really rattled. I did some research and found numerous online links to interviews and personal writings of Spry's victim, Alloma Gilbert. Alloma is amazingly strong and articulate. She wants her story told. She's even written a book.

I can hardly wrap my mind around the fact that Spry only got 14 years. If you read any of Alloma's writing, you will get an insider's view on how she survived. The strength of the human spirit never ceases to humble me.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 03:55 PM
Nauseating is the word. Lord, I'm sitting here so sick to my stomach and really rattled. I did some research and found numerous online links to interviews and personal writings of Spry's victim, Alloma Gilbert. Alloma is amazingly strong and articulate. She wants her story told. She's even written a book.

I can hardly wrap my mind around the fact that Spry only got 14 years. If you read any of Alloma's writing, you will get an insider's view on how she survived. The strength of the human spirit never ceases to humble me.

sadly i think courts only throw the book at them good if the victim(s) is dead. they dont seem to realize that the survivors have to deal with what was done with them the rest of there lives.........

my2sisters
09-28-2009, 05:51 PM
Years ago, I did research on cults, specifically, The Process Church. They were a spin-off of Scientology as far as their doctrine, but the actions of the founding members was much different than what the public or their members saw. This is typical of cults and I don't doubt typical of Garrido's religious cult. It's scary to think what could have happened had he been able to get more followers.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 06:01 PM
Years ago, I did research on cults, specifically, The Process Church. They were a spin-off of Scientology as far as their doctrine, but the actions of the founding members was much different than what the public or their members saw. This is typical of cults and I don't doubt typical of Garrido's religious cult. It's scary to think what could have happened had he been able to get more followers.

for all we know there ARE More followers. if so, jaycee the girls, her mom an her sister maybe better off in seclusion anyways

LinasK
09-28-2009, 07:01 PM
Has it ever been posted or publicized as to just what was in the religious tracts which PG wanted to pass out that day in Berkeley? Were they typical JW Watchtowers or were they specific to his "church" or invention?


I'm guessing it was the same garbage that's in his "FBI Manifesto" and his Voices Blog, how he claims a connection between hearing voices, religion, and curbing his urges.:sick::sick::sick:

Missizzy
09-28-2009, 09:50 PM
LinasK--That's what I'm guessing too. I just wondered if anyone had seen this revealed in the media. It would be awfully interesting to see what the tract actually covered. There's probably people on campus who have a copy which he handed out.

kbl8201
09-28-2009, 10:08 PM
LinasK--That's what I'm guessing too. I just wondered if anyone had seen this revealed in the media. It would be awfully interesting to see what the tract actually covered. There's probably people on campus who have a copy which he handed out.


i dont know about you guys but i dont really want to read any of this lunatics rantings

LinasK
09-28-2009, 10:32 PM
LinasK--That's what I'm guessing too. I just wondered if anyone had seen this revealed in the media. It would be awfully interesting to see what the tract actually covered. There's probably people on campus who have a copy which he handed out.
I don't think he got as far as handing stuff out, unless he had previously done that. He had to be cleared by the security officers, which he wasn't. Those women might have copies of whatever he was going to hand out...

Missizzy
09-29-2009, 12:21 AM
I found this at this link (page 1):

http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/jwcrime.html

CALIFORNIA v. GARRIDO is an ongoing 2009 criminal prosecution related to the Jaycee Lee Dugard kidnapping. Per multiple media reports, Nancy Garrido, wife of monster Phillip Garrido, was reared as a Jehovah's Witness. The unmarried Jehovah's Witness, Nancy Bocanegra, was introduced to and developed a relationship with fellow Jehovah's Witness, Phillip Garrido, while Garrido was imprisoned in Leavenworth federal prison for a 1976 kidnapping and rape committed in Nevada. Nancy Bocanegra's connection to Leavenworth was an Uncle who was also imprisoned there. Phillip Garrido, 30, and Nancy Bocanegra, 26, were married inside Leavenwoth in October 1981.

It is unclear as to when Phillip Garrido joined the WatchTower Cult. A 1978 mental evaluation conducted during Garrido's first year at Leavenworth states that Phillip Garrido was then a "very absorbed" Jehovah's Witness practitioner. Phillip Garrido has indicated that his interest in religion and GOD started sometime around 1973-4, and intensified around 1976-7. During his first year at Leavenworth, Garrido even rejected the idea of a transfer from prison to a program of psychological treatment due to religious reasons. Although the WatchTower Cult has since relaxed its teachings on mental health treatment (due to the high incidence of mental illness amongst its members), at that time Jehovah's Witnesses were proactively discouraged from seeking help from mental health professionals. Of course this raises even more questions, such as, did Phillip Garrido have JW connections even prior to Leavenworth, and who was this unnamed "Uncle" of Nancy Bocanegra, and was he the prison intermediary between Nancy Bocanegra and Phillip Garrido, and was he also a JW Convict, and what is his full story?

At any rate, it was Phillip Garrido's status as a long-time Jehovah's Witness that played a significant role in his gaining parole from Leavenworth at the first opportunity in 1988.

Nancy Garrido worked within the healthcare community in multiple states at least as far back as 1981. Nancy Garrido was licensed as a Nursing Assistant in California in 1989 after the couple moved to California after Phillip Garrido's parole from Leavenworth, and 8 months served in a Nevada state prison, where Garrido served short time on a state charge related to the 1976 rape/kidnapping. Between 1994 and 1998, Nancy Garrido worked for a California community agency, Contra Costa ARC, that served adults and children suffering from developmental disabilities. Nancy Garrido reportedly also worked at multiple nursing homes.

Nancy Garrido is reportedly accused by Prosecutors of playing an equal role with Phillip Garrido in the abduction of Jaycee Lee Dugard. Prosecutors suspect that it was actually Nancy Garrido who forcibly put Jaycee Lee Dugard into the car driven by Phillip Garrido in June 1991. In 1993, Phillip Garrido was returned to federal prison for 38 days because of a parole violation. Prosecutors allege that Nancy Garrido was Jaycee Lee Dugard's sole kidnapper during those 38 days.

kbl8201
09-29-2009, 12:38 AM
I found this at this link (page 1):

http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/jwcrime.html

CALIFORNIA v. GARRIDO is an ongoing 2009 criminal prosecution related to the Jaycee Lee Dugard kidnapping. Per multiple media reports, Nancy Garrido, wife of monster Phillip Garrido, was reared as a Jehovah's Witness. The unmarried Jehovah's Witness, Nancy Bocanegra, was introduced to and developed a relationship with fellow Jehovah's Witness, Phillip Garrido, while Garrido was imprisoned in Leavenworth federal prison for a 1976 kidnapping and rape committed in Nevada. Nancy Bocanegra's connection to Leavenworth was an Uncle who was also imprisoned there. Phillip Garrido, 30, and Nancy Bocanegra, 26, were married inside Leavenwoth in October 1981.

It is unclear as to when Phillip Garrido joined the WatchTower Cult. A 1978 mental evaluation conducted during Garrido's first year at Leavenworth states that Phillip Garrido was then a "very absorbed" Jehovah's Witness practitioner. Phillip Garrido has indicated that his interest in religion and GOD started sometime around 1973-4, and intensified around 1976-7. During his first year at Leavenworth, Garrido even rejected the idea of a transfer from prison to a program of psychological treatment due to religious reasons. Although the WatchTower Cult has since relaxed its teachings on mental health treatment (due to the high incidence of mental illness amongst its members), at that time Jehovah's Witnesses were proactively discouraged from seeking help from mental health professionals. Of course this raises even more questions, such as, did Phillip Garrido have JW connections even prior to Leavenworth, and who was this unnamed "Uncle" of Nancy Bocanegra, and was he the prison intermediary between Nancy Bocanegra and Phillip Garrido, and was he also a JW Convict, and what is his full story?

At any rate, it was Phillip Garrido's status as a long-time Jehovah's Witness that played a significant role in his gaining parole from Leavenworth at the first opportunity in 1988.

Nancy Garrido worked within the healthcare community in multiple states at least as far back as 1981. Nancy Garrido was licensed as a Nursing Assistant in California in 1989 after the couple moved to California after Phillip Garrido's parole from Leavenworth, and 8 months served in a Nevada state prison, where Garrido served short time on a state charge related to the 1976 rape/kidnapping. Between 1994 and 1998, Nancy Garrido worked for a California community agency, Contra Costa ARC, that served adults and children suffering from developmental disabilities. Nancy Garrido reportedly also worked at multiple nursing homes.

Nancy Garrido is reportedly accused by Prosecutors of playing an equal role with Phillip Garrido in the abduction of Jaycee Lee Dugard. Prosecutors suspect that it was actually Nancy Garrido who forcibly put Jaycee Lee Dugard into the car driven by Phillip Garrido in June 1991. In 1993, Phillip Garrido was returned to federal prison for 38 days because of a parole violation. Prosecutors allege that Nancy Garrido was Jaycee Lee Dugard's sole kidnapper during those 38 days.

so she was working from 94 to 98......awesome. what a mom she was to those babies huh? seriously how jaycee brought them up even half healthy i have no idea......but bless her for doing so
38 days is a lot of days that you could go to the cops and save jaycee.......oh well i guess you must have enjoyed torturing her too

Missizzy
09-29-2009, 12:44 AM
You know, I have a good friend who happens to be JW. I think we need to sit down and have a good, long talk. I have some questions.

I found this link to a transcript from Dateline in 2002. They did an expose on pedophiles within the JW faith. The shocking part is not that there were pedophiles (they are everywhere). No, the disturbing part is the way the elders handled the disclosures.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw100.html

I found this through the link that was posted by "smgtheophilus"

http://www.silentlambs.org/

kbl8201
09-29-2009, 12:59 AM
You know, I have a good friend who happens to be JW. I think we need to sit down and have a good, long talk. I have some questions.

I found this link to a transcript from Dateline in 2002. They did an expose on pedophiles within the JW faith. The shocking part is not that there were pedophiles (they are everywhere). No, the disturbing part is the way the elders handled the disclosures.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw100.html

I found this through the link that was posted by "smgtheophilus"

http://www.silentlambs.org/

iim catholic so im the last one to talk about people covering for pedophiles lol (im referring to everyone from bishops to vatican itself)

Missizzy
09-29-2009, 01:08 AM
That was a good catch, KBL. So, NG was working during the infancy and toddlerhood of the little girls. You are right. How in heck could Jaycee have cared for those babies? I can't even consider the possibility that PG was the "stay at home" monster during those years. There just doesn't seem to be a plausible answer to how a 13-14 year old girl would care for a newborn without constant support. This just gets stranger and stranger.

kbl8201
09-29-2009, 01:18 AM
That was a good catch, KBL. So, NG was working during the infancy and toddlerhood of the little girls. You are right. How in heck could Jaycee have cared for those babies? I can't even consider the possibility that PG was the "stay at home" monster during those years. There just doesn't seem to be a plausible answer to how a 13-14 year old girl would care for a newborn without constant support. This just gets stranger and stranger.

the only other possibility is he had other disciples and that's to scary to even consider. we already know jaycee endured both pregnencies under inconcievable circumstances, and delivered healthy babies somehow both times. it's not that far a stretch to think she nursed the girls and fed them at this point. we already know as they got older she was teaching them with what little education she had herself

Missizzy
09-29-2009, 10:11 PM
I found this interesting link:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/181439/1/Garrido-was-a-very-absorbed-Jehovahs-Witness

Notice that several of the comments are concerning whether or not PG's mother would have had visits from JWs. That's another group of people that were likely in and out of the house. I haven't seen this mentioned before. The commenter calls it "shepherding visits". Wouldn't they have noticed something wrong with this picture?

To me this seems like a perfect educational opportunity. The JWs could train their people to watch for abuse when they visit in homes. I would also think that if PG was a practicing JW, the elders would have been aware of his RSO status and thus guided him and counseled him in this facet of his life. Wouldn't they have questioned who the girls were?

Natal
09-29-2009, 11:06 PM
That was a good catch, KBL. So, NG was working during the infancy and toddlerhood of the little girls. You are right. How in heck could Jaycee have cared for those babies? I can't even consider the possibility that PG was the "stay at home" monster during those years. There just doesn't seem to be a plausible answer to how a 13-14 year old girl would care for a newborn without constant support. This just gets stranger and stranger.

You are forgetting that she would have helped her mom with with sister for 22 months. She would have been familiar with baby issues.

kbl8201
09-29-2009, 11:13 PM
You are forgetting that she would have helped her mom with with sister for 22 months. She would have been familiar with baby issues.

i agree that helped.
problem is she was helping with shayna under ideal conditions. the fact she did as well with her own girls under garridos conditions is a miracle.

cindysue
09-30-2009, 12:21 AM
This might sound far-fetched but Im thinking PG is crazy like a fox. Hasnt it been reported that he used religion to keep from having to go to the state institution? Well most of us know that if a criminal has some success in some area they tend to keep using it over and over. Well what if he isnt a religious fanatic at all. Its all to throw people off of his true personallity. After all if you see a guy on the street who seems crazy isnt he a little less threatening if you think hes religious? Isnt he less threatening if he has children with him? The religion thing could be used to many advantages if you think about it, like in donations to the church. Milking people out of money being one of the biggies. I saw an interview with a women he did business with and she said he asked for several thousand dollars to put a new bathroom in the church. It would help you seem like you have changed in the eyes of LE. Handing out pamplets is also a good way to be out on the street without seeming to be up to something. Could he just stand around in front of the college where there are alot of young girls btw and not seem suspicious? Does anyone else not buy into the hes doing Gods work stuff or is it just me?:angel:

kbl8201
09-30-2009, 12:29 AM
This might sound far-fetched but Im thinking PG is crazy like a fox. Hasnt it been reported that he used religion to keep from having to go to the state institution? Well most of us know that if a criminal has some success in some area they tend to keep using it over and over. Well what if he isnt a religious fanatic at all. Its all to throw people off of his true personallity. After all if you see a guy on the street who seems crazy isnt he a little less threatening if you think hes religious? Isnt he less threatening if he has children with him? The religion thing could be used to many advantages if you think about it, like in donations to the church. Milking people out of money being one of the biggies. I saw an interview with a women he did business with and she said he asked for several thousand dollars to put a new bathroom in the church. It would help you seem like you have changed in the eyes of LE. Handing out pamplets is also a good way to be out on the street without seeming to be up to something. Could he just stand around in front of the college where there are alot of young girls btw and not seem suspicious? Does anyone else not buy into the hes doing Gods work stuff or is it just me?:angel:

your absolutely right cindy. guy is a con man besides his other problems. he doesnt really believe this religous stuff.......its a smokescreen for his money making schemes

meep meep
09-30-2009, 03:21 AM
Another tidbit here covers his time in Leavenworth:

"During his first year in prison in Leavenworth, Kan., Garrido told prison psychologist J.B. Kielbauch he did not want to be "released from incarceration to a program of psychological treatment" because of religion.

"Interestingly, Mr. Garrido asked that he be permitted another three years of incarceration in lieu of that so he could complete his current program of training and religious development," Kielbauch wrote.

Kielbauch's 1978 mental evaluation also said Garrido had become a "very absorbed" Jehovah's Witness practitioner. "When he commits to a cause or purpose," the psychologist wrote, "he tends to approach it with extreme zeal and diligence."

"Prognosis for successful transition to the community is considered very good," Kielbauch wrote. "The likelihood of further extralegal behaviors on Mr. Garrido's part is seen as minimal." "



full article here (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/21/crimesider/entry5327328.shtml)

kbl8201
09-30-2009, 04:13 AM
Another tidbit here covers his time in Leavenworth:

"During his first year in prison in Leavenworth, Kan., Garrido told prison psychologist J.B. Kielbauch he did not want to be "released from incarceration to a program of psychological treatment" because of religion.

"Interestingly, Mr. Garrido asked that he be permitted another three years of incarceration in lieu of that so he could complete his current program of training and religious development," Kielbauch wrote.

Kielbauch's 1978 mental evaluation also said Garrido had become a "very absorbed" Jehovah's Witness practitioner. "When he commits to a cause or purpose," the psychologist wrote, "he tends to approach it with extreme zeal and diligence."

"Prognosis for successful transition to the community is considered very good," Kielbauch wrote. "The likelihood of further extralegal behaviors on Mr. Garrido's part is seen as minimal." "



full article here (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/21/crimesider/entry5327328.shtml)

what a bunch of tools...........
was this guy really that good a con man or are everybody that got fooled by him just dumb?

meep meep
09-30-2009, 05:17 AM
Garrido was smart enough to keep himself out of a mental health facility, probably knowing that there was a chance he might be further held indefinitely, at the say so of one or two doctors. At least in the prison system, he had a release date -- whether it was (full time) far away, or (parole time) not so far away -- and he fixed it so that he entered the community with minimal supervision . And it sounds like the psych hospital was a community based option -- meaning, halfway house with outpatient type care. He turned that down for three more years in a closed facility, and of course a chance to be near and court Nancy. Getting married was just the cherry on the cake, in terms of securing a parole date as early as he did. He knew how to navigate the system.

kbl8201
09-30-2009, 06:33 AM
Garrido was smart enough to keep himself out of a mental health facility, probably knowing that there was a chance he might be further held indefinitely, at the say so of one or two doctors. At least in the prison system, he had a release date -- whether it was (full time) far away, or (parole time) not so far away -- and he fixed it so that he entered the community with minimal supervision . And it sounds like the psych hospital was a community based option -- meaning, halfway house with outpatient type care. He turned that down for three more years in a closed facility, and of course a chance to be near and court Nancy. Getting married was just the cherry on the cake, in terms of securing a parole date as early as he did. He knew how to navigate the system.

sickening. and then we have to sit back and listen to the 'he fooled a lot of people nonsense' from LE when people like this re offend. tell that to jaycee, shes the one you guys owe 18 years of her life.......

Missizzy
10-06-2009, 06:52 PM
I found this article concerning the treatment of pedophiles in the JW faith/church. I'm posting it so everyone can draw their own conclusions. It worries me that, as we have seen in other churches, there seems to be a systemic attempt to handle the crimes of pedophilia and sex abuse within the confines of the church rather than to hand off the disclosures to secular experts. JMO

http://www.freeminds.org/sociology/children/secrets-of-pedophilia-in-the-jehovahs-witness-religion.html

Note that this article was written (or posted) after Jaycee was found. I find it odd that the author did not mention the Garrido case.

kbl8201
10-06-2009, 07:16 PM
I found this article concerning the treatment of pedophiles in the JW faith/church. I'm posting it so everyone can draw their own conclusions. It worries me that, as we have seen in other churches, there seems to be a systemic attempt to handle the crimes of pedophilia and sex abuse within the confines of the church rather than to hand off the disclosures to secular experts. JMO

http://www.freeminds.org/sociology/children/secrets-of-pedophilia-in-the-jehovahs-witness-religion.html

Note that this article was written (or posted) after Jaycee was found. I find it odd that the author did not mention the Garrido case.

like i said in an earlier post, this thing reaches all the way up to the vatican in my church. cover for the pedohpile, shun the victim and there family.
disgusting