The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992

[englishleigh]

I was just thinking about this case last night and thought I would look online to see if there had been any updates. I can't find any. Does anyone know of anything new in this case? The missing are Stacy McCall, Suzie Streeter & her mother, Sherrill Levitt. They disappeared from Springfield, MO, from Suzie's and Sherrill's home in early June, 1992. The two girls, Stacy & Suzie, had just graduated from high school the night before and were having sleepover when they were abducted. As far as I know, they have never been found.

http://www.ci.springfield.mo.us/spd/Miscellanea/3missingwomen.html

[jat]

The link doesn't work.

[englishleigh]

Sorry!! I just found an update, anyway:

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Jun/20040608News023.asp

[CaliMom]

It's so nice to see an update to this case. It is one that has haunted me for some time. Thanks for the update!

[englishleigh]

That article was dated June 8...I searched all the online Springfield area newspapers for an update to the update, but found nothing. I hope the evidence they found turns up something. It's way past time for these families to have some closure.

[miles_draken]

remains have been located and the police are awaiting DNA results. I will try to find the link to post.

[englishleigh]

remains have been located and the police are awaiting DNA results. I will try to find the link to post.


Oh, please let them be Sherrill, Stacy & Suzie!! I've been following this case ever since it first happened. I will anxiously be awaiting a link.

[tybee204]

I just checked all the news in Springfield and there is nothing about this. Blood found on a farm in Cassville proved not to be related by DNA and bone fragments were more then 100 years old and likely a dog.

I cant find any links on recent discoveries of remains. I called my son that lives in Springfield and he hasnt heard anything about this.

Local Springfield News Links
http://www.news-leader.com


www.ky3.com

http://www.fox27.com/

[englishleigh]

Thanks, Tybee....I looked myself for an article saying remains had been found but I couldn't find one. Apparently there's been nothing new in this case since June of this year. That disappoints me so much...I pray for some answers for these families.

[miles_draken]

i apologize, last i knew they were talking of DNA evidence and awaiting results. Last I had heard, glad to know someone is more on top of it than i am, sorry folks!

[englishleigh]

That's ok, Miles....are you in Springfield?? If so, maybe you can be our lookout for any breaking news on this case?? Thanks.

[miles_draken]

I lived in Springfield around the time of these disappearances, and still reside in MO, but not close enough to get local news. There have obviously been several theories regarding the case, but it seems to be growing colder and colder. WIth the DNA samples coming back negative as to a match with remains or blood found on a local farm, the special prosecutor on the case will resign from it. Perhaps some "New Blood" on the case will create a spark. Something interesting to note, one theory is that the women fell prey to some laborers who were working on the Cox Medical South parking lot which I believe is quite near their home. Some sources say there was a lot of drug activity around these people. Obviously all three of these women were probably not targeted. The logical thing would be to conclude that Suzanne Streeter was the target and her friend was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the target had been her mother my feeling is they would have struck earlier when she was alone at the house, or if McCall was the target they would have taken her from her own home. I think, and they probably have, that the police need to look in to Suzanne's relationships and anyone knew she was associating with in the months leading up to her abduction. I do believe all three are dead and buried locally, however, if the perpetrator was a traveling labor their working on the medical center he wouldn't know the outer edges of Springfield as well. It seems that whoever took them knew the home, so they'd been there before in all likelihood. It is my belief that the remains are not far from their home, possibly underneath the parking lot that was being poured at the time. I don't have a working knowledge of parking lot pouring, maybe some of you will tell me this is unlikely, I'm not sure. I believe they were killed before dawn and dumped. I do hope there is some closure to this case for the families sake.

[miles_draken]

Just found an interesting link about the SPringfield three.

http://airalex.homestead.com/MISSING.html

[englishleigh]

Just found an interesting link about the SPringfield three.

http://airalex.homestead.com/MISSING.html


Wow, Miles, that is incredibly creepy!!! I wish the Springfield police would follow up on it.

[miles_draken]

Still haven't seen any new evidence in this bizzare case, just giving it a bump hoping someone has new info. Somebody, somewhere knows what happened to these ladies.

[miles_draken]

Robert Cox is currently the one suspect I know of. He is in jail in Texas and has said he knew something about the Springfield Missing. If you look at the link above the old ladies story is interesting to say the least. I've wanted so bad to go to SPringfield and search these Triangle areas of interest. They are near railroad yards and those are areas not frequently visited by people or changed much. Is it possible three bodies could be buried there?

[nowIMnothing]

I am writing this because for some reason almost 14 years later this is affecting me more than it has every before. First off to the families and friends I am so sorry for your loses. I feel I am struggling with it now but I can’t imagine how you must have struggled with it over the years now. My name is Cory I am 32 years old and I live in Boise ID. So how does any of this involve me? I was born and raised in Joplin, MO and graduated from JHS in 1992. In early 1990 I went to live with my sister in Springfield, MO. I enrolled @ Kickapoo High School. I only attended that school for a couple months before I went back to Joplin. In that amount of time I wasn’t able to make that many friends but I do remember one her name was “Suzie” We had a few classes together and with in a short time we became friends. I am sure a few people may recall she looked and dressed some what like Marie Fredriksson from the band Roxette. Needless to say I found her attractive and very kind. She was one of the few friends I had in Springfield. In 1992 after I graduated from I school the news had come out about tree missing women their pictures and story had been posted all over. I took a bit but I had soon realized that that Suzanne Streeter was my friend “Suzie”. Her look had changed somewhat so it never dawned on me that this was her. One day I was in Consumers and had bought a few things. When I got home there info was printed on the back of the paper bag. I never had read the detailed descriptions before as I started to read them the article talked about a small tumor on the lower left lip on Suzie (it never stood out it was just a small bump. It was more like a beauty mark & I thought it was cute). Right then it had come to me who it was and my stomach when straight to my throat. Right away I felt guilty for not know that it was her right off. I still feel that way today. I can’t describe how I felt as I am sure many felt the same way as well. Over time as there was less and less to report on and nothing new to go on the case just went away. Over time I thought about it less myself but never really forgot. In 96 I moved to Idaho, not too many people here would have been formilure with it so I never spoke of it. About 2 weeks ago I am driving down the road and I new version of an old song comes on the radio “listen to your heart” by Roxette. All of a sudden it all comes back but this time I can’t stop thinking about it. I can’t talk to anyone about because no one here really knows about it. The more it thought about it I thought I would jump online and see if the was any new news to report about it. I have been doing a lot of reading and have found many stories written but nothing that has brought them home. I still cannot describe how I fell but I still hurt inside as I am sure most do as well. The reason I wrote this was to try to help myself understand why I am feeling the way I am. I still don’t understand it. If anyone reads this and is board by it my apologies, if helps others remember great, if anything I hope it helps keep them alive tell they can come home………… I will never forget you my old friend. I have one question that maybe someone can help me with. In a lot of articles there is mention of two me that worked @ a concrete company. “The women said that two men were employed at the local concrete company that once owned the site near Marshfield, Missouri. The tipsters said that the individuals drove a van similar to the vehicle that may have been used in the missing women's cases. The informants claimed that the men departed Springfield shortly after Sherrill, Suzanne and McCall vanished. Investigators determined that two men did work at the company in 1992, but they were unable to identify the individuals or confirm that they drove a van.”After reading that a few times I found this article. Basically it talks about some parking lot construction going on @ Cox Hospital. Check it out. <?> does anyone know if the concrete company that the two men worked for had any contracts to work with Cox Hospital South in the summer on 1992?????????????????? Check the link out. http://taint.org/pipermail/forteana/2002-March/000135.htmlThis could be old news to everyone else but I have not found anything on it…

[partyuv5]

As I know Joplin has grown. My Great Uncle is part of the city council.

[miles_draken]

Still nothing new on this cold case. It baffles me that three women could diappear like this together and never be found. Anyone interested in taking a trip to Springfield and following the old womans preminition described in the link I provided awhile back? I've thought about going there and doing some searching. It would be nice to have an analytical mind or two along to help out this complete novice.

[raisincharlie]

There has not been much news on this story lately either on the local media or through the news papers. I can tell you however that the parking lot construction issue at Cox Hospital has been investigated rather extensively. The bones found during the dig at the other location have been reported to be animal in nature and not human.

I can also tell you that one of the biggest problems around this neck of the woods is the vast amount of forrested rugged terrain. We have gone on several horseback searches at places all around Springfield down to Branson and into Arkansas and north towards Collins, Clinton and Windsor and parts east and west of these locations. Also, there are numerous old hand dug wells, or cisterns if you prefer, in this area. Many of these cisterns are not documented as they were dug long before well registration requirements. Authorities in this area have done several surveys in rural areas with residents trying to collect data relating to well locations - most have been checked, however I'm rather certain that there are more out there that people may not know even exist on their properties. Additionally, we have extensive karst topography here, caves, springs, and artesian wells everywhere. A major cave system was recently discoved about two years back - been here all this time but only recently discovered and only because of road construction activities.

The triangle areas that you reference near the home are heavily populated areas even along the railroad tracks. These areas have been searched extensively and numerous times. I myself don't put much belief in the bodies being in those areas. As for the gentleman in jail - he is looking for a way out and voluntered much information to local authorities (some of whom I know personnally), none of which panned out. He is destined to serve his jail time as he has told nothing that has been of use or verifiable. Dead ends are the only thing he has ever provided.

I do know that there is no longer "active" day to day workings on this case but occasionally some tip is received and it is checked. Occasionally bodies have been reported by hunters or persons buying property out in the woods. These reports have also been checked. Right now, there is nothing active in terms of reports or searches.

[docwho3]

DNA results still awaited in case of missing women
http://springfield.news-leader.com/specialreports/threemissingwomen/0629-DNAresults-122296.html

http://www.semissourian.com/story.html$rec=144464



I still wonder about the manner of entry in the abduction.

[shelsearay]

The rumor the bodies were dumped in a pond in Stockton, MO? Not Lake Stockton, but rural Stockton, MO?

[Ken]

On November 15th 1998, I experienced a life changing vision with Stacy McCall. A complete description of the vision in its entirety can be found at http://users.1st.net/mwells/Visions.htm

In reference to Cox Hospital South, I did receive an email from the Springfield Police Department in August 2004. They told me that they were not aware that it was an area of concern. I did talk with someone who lived across the street from the hospital in 1992. He told me there were open fields around the hospital. He said: "there was a whole lot of nothing."

Ken

[miles_draken]

All of this is very interesting and makes a good read. I'm talking about the above post and link of the vision. I don't put a whole lot of stock in psychics. It is kinda like when people say Nostrodamus predicted Hitler and 9/11, if he really predicted these things he would have said "Hey there will be this guy named Hitler who kills millions of Jews and terroizes the world" and "There will be two planes crash into the World Trade Center". If somebody really has these psychic visions why doesn't the vision just show them exactly what happened and lead them to the bodies or whereabouts of a missing person? Maybe I'm just cynical. I would think if all this is factual every police station in the country would be stocked with psychic detectives. I hope I'm wrong and all these clues can lead to the three missing women.

[Ken]

During the past year, I had been corresponding with Robert Cox. I wrote him about the vision that I experienced with Stacy McCall. I also mentioned Cox Hospital South. He has written me seven times. In none of his letters to me does he mention any of the women by name. Additionally, I haven't read anything in the media where he uses their names in conversation.

In one of his letters to me, he sent me a four page color insert from a tennis magazine. On the front page, there are two women playing tennis. The headline read: "Let's hear it for their future!" The letter was post marked within one day of Stacy's birthday.

I am one million percent certain that Robert Cox is responsible. I do honestly believe that Cox Hospital South is worth taking a close look at. I found out through research that the place where the Hulston Cancer Center (formerly Cox Medical Plaza II) now sits was an open field in June of 1992.

Robert did state in the media that the women were buried near the 1717 E Delmar crime scene and that they will never be found. I believe he is telling the truth because that was his ego speaking. I believe that it is possible that he may have buried the women at or near a location that bears his name.

Ken

[Ken]

When I experienced the vision with Stacy McCall; I watched a pile of her hair fall from her left shoulder and bounce. Her hair fell from her shoulder one strand at a time. When I type in the word "shoulder" at dictionary.com, one of the definitions that come up is: "a narrow edge of land (usually unpaved) along the side of a road." My understanding is that there was construction that took place on the Cox Hospital South parking lot in 1992.

In his last letter to me, Robert Craig Cox wrote something that captures the imagination: "Sometimes you look too hard at something when nothing is there. Then when the obvious is right in front of you, it's easy to miss."

Was he referring to Stacy's shoulder?

Ken

[miles_draken]

I don't mean to insult anyone for their beliefs, but if all these visions people have are true why can't they just say "The women are here, and this is what happened to them." I say Sylvia Browne on Montel one day and she answered every one of these crazy questions from the audience about underworld creatures and stuff like that and seemed to be so confident in her answers. Why can't she look at this case and tell us what happened, or all these other cold cases. I'd think if her abilities are genuine that she would be compelled to help out. I just can't believe if people like this can predict the future, and see all these unseeable things that they don't just lay it down so we can understand it. These visions are always like solving a jiggsaw puzzle that is missing too many pieces. As far as Robert Cox is concerned, the man will probably say anything to get a little attention, Prison has got to be boring. Maybe he did it, but why admit to it if it lands him in more hot water?

[Marilynilpa]

I don't mean to insult anyone for their beliefs, but if all these visions people have are true why can't they just say "The women are here, and this is what happened to them." I say Sylvia Browne on Montel one day and she answered every one of these crazy questions from the audience about underworld creatures and stuff like that and seemed to be so confident in her answers. Why can't she look at this case and tell us what happened, or all these other cold cases. I'd think if her abilities are genuine that she would be compelled to help out. I just can't believe if people like this can predict the future, and see all these unseeable things that they don't just lay it down so we can understand it. These visions are always like solving a jiggsaw puzzle that is missing too many pieces. As far as Robert Cox is concerned, the man will probably say anything to get a little attention, Prison has got to be boring. Maybe he did it, but why admit to it if it lands him in more hot water?
For the most part, I agree with your skepticsm regarding psychics. However, last night I watched one of those "Psychic Detectives" shows. This one dealt with John Wayne Gacy and all of the people he murdered. There was one boy in particular whose body they could not find. A very skeptical policeman allowed a psychic to hold the jacket this young man had been wearing. The jacket had been found in a wall, I believe, in Gacy's house. Anyway, the psychic gave the police some information about where the body would be found, and even specified the date on which it would be discovered.

On the date the psychic had said the body would be found, it was located, and many of the details she had given to the police were accurate.

After watching that show, it's made me curious about whether psychic ability actually might exist in some people. But I agree with you that it's puzzling why they can see some information, but not see all of it. And many times, I've noticed that the psychics give information that is very general in nature (i.e., the body will be found in or near water). Since almost anywhere you go is "near water" (pools, creeks, rivers, streams, water faucets, puddles of water, etc.), the psychic stands a pretty good chance of being right!

[Ken]

Miles does bring up some good points. When you experience a genuine vision, you will experience alot of rejection. It comes with the turf and it's the acid test to determine if a vision is genuine. This is what worries me about Sylvia Browne. Her visions and abilities are oftentimes taken as the Gospel. For me, this brings up serious red flags because it doesn't work that way.

I have seen proof of the existence of God with my own two eyes and I can offer empirical proof. I experienced a detailed vision on April 10th, 1996 that changed the course of my life. The vision is highly detailed and it lasted several minutes. Sometime in the future, the vision will be included with my vision with Stacy which is found at: http://users.1st.net/mwells/Visions.htm

The vision from 1996 is a word for word match with the most profound verse in the Koran. It's called "The Light Verse" (Sura 24:35) and scholars have spent centuries and have written volumes just on this one verse. This vision was rejected not only by Christians, but also by Muslims. Christians have rejected the vision for obvious reasons. Muslims have rejected the vision because I am not Muslim. I am Christian. Hence the double rejection. This is how genuine visions work.

I believe this vision will have something to do with the three missing women. "...Allah guides to His light whom He pleases and He strikes parables for Humankind and of all things He is aware." (Sura 24:35).

As for the vision with Stacy McCall...learn everything you can about Cox Hospital South because I believe the answer lies there.

Ken

[Ken]

On April 10th 1996, I was awakened out of my sleep by a flash of light. I was lying on my right side and I opened my eyes. I could see in the reflection of my bedroom window that something was most definitely behind me. I quickly turned over and I saw a lamp.

The lamp was an inch from my face. It was about a foot tall, cylindrical, and it was transparent as if it were made of glass. There was an orange filament that ran from top to bottom. The lamp emitted a perfect orange light. The light was blinding. It was like looking at the sun, but it didn't hurt my eyes.

The lamp slowly moved away from me and stopped at the edge of my bed. I was lying on my left side and I had all of my faculties. I could have touched the lamp if I wanted to. However, something told me not to touch the lamp, so I didn't. The lamp then continued towards the center of my bedroom and it came to a stop. Simultaneously as the lamp disappeared, a circle of fire appeared in its place.

The circle was about 4 feet in diameter. I could see the carpet designs inside the circle. However, everything outside of the circle was pitch-black. I couldn't see anything. Next, a wave of fire emanated from the center of the circle. It was like throwing a pebble into a pond, except that it was fire. The fire had height to it. The base flames were orange and the tips of the flames were blue. I could hear the waves of fire. They sounded like waves from an ocean. When the first wave of fire reached the perimeter of the circle; a second wave of fire emanated from the center of the circle. It was as if the second wave were chasing the first wave. During this time, I was sitting on the edge of my bed and I was pinching myself. I said outloud: "I am not dreaming this. This is really happening to me."

When the second wave of fire reached the perimeter of the circle, the circle of fire disappeared. Simultaneoulsy as the circle disappeared, a candle appeared by my bedside. The candle was to my left and just out of my line of vision. At this point, I had backed up onto my bed because I was scared.

The light from the candle lit up the southwest corner of my bedroom (my right hand side). The light on the walls was beautiful. It was mesmerizing. It was as if one were reading a book by candlelight. Next, the candle started to move towards the center of my bedroom where the circle of fire and lamp had been. When it came into view, the candle was a small white candle that was in a black urn with two handles. One handle on each side. The flame was a tall yellow flame. There was gold Arabic writing on the black urn.

The black urn continued to move towards the center of my bedroom. At one point, it disappeared and reappeared as if it were passing through a barrier of some type. The tall yellow flame was similar to a torch flame. When the black urn reached the center of my bedroom, it came to a stop. Next, it started to sink into my bedroom floor.

After the black urn completely sank into my bedroom floor, my room went pitch-black. Several moments later, I felt the word "Fire" and it shook my body. It was a powerful force and it went right through me. It came from above me. To say that I heard the word "Fire" would be an understatement.

Next, I walked into my living room in red lights, my clock displayed the time. It was 6:00 am. I turned on my living room lamp and I picked up my Bible and I started to read it. I was just visited by the Holy Spirit.

This vision has alot to do with Stacy McCall.

To be continued...

Ken

[Ken]

The difference in time between the vision from the Koran (4-10-1996) and the vision with Stacy McCall (11-15-1998) was exactly 2 years, 7 months, and 5 days. So, 2 years, 7 months, and 5 days after my vision from the Koran, I experienced a vision with one of the 3 missing women. This numerically spells out 2-7-5-3, which just happens to be her family's current address in the exact order.

The difference in time between June 7th, 1992 and the date that Stacy visited me, November 15th, 1998, is exactly 6 years, 5 months, and 8 days. I experienced the vision with her at just after 4 am. This numerically spells out
6-5-8-0-4, which is her zip code in the exact order. So, she gave me her family's address and zip code at the time that I experienced the vision with her.

In early 2004, I realized something. At the time Stacy disappeared, her address was 843 E. Meadowlark Street. So, when I counted 8 years, 4 months, and 3 days from April 10th, 1996, this gave a date of August 13th, 2004. I knew that something profound would happen or begin on that date. However, I didn't know what it would be. I told many people about that date in advance. Also, the date of April 10th, was 8 days after Mr. McCall's birthdate of April 2nd and it was 13 days before Stacy's This gave another indication of 8-13.

On August 13th, 2004, the first of four hurricanes slammed into Florida. When they did, they numerically spelled out Mr. McCall's birthdate of 4-2-43 in the exact order*. Charley was a category 4, Frances was a 2, Ivan was a 4, and Jeanne was a 3.

* Officially, Ivan was classified in December 2004 as a category 3 because it's windspeed at landfall missed being a category 4 by one mile per hour. However, the pressure inside the eyewall was 943 millibars, which is the equivalent of a category 4 hurricane. Also, the damage that was caused by Ivan was typical of a category 4 hurricane, not a category 3.

Ken

[Ken]

When I experienced the vision from the Koran on April 10th, 1996, my dad was in the other room sleeping. Seven years later on Father's Day, June 15th, 2003, the meaning of the vision was revealed to me. This occurred exactly 4 years and 7 months after my vision with Stacy McCall.

In May of 2003, Pat Brown emailed me and told me that she was coming to Ann Arbor, Michigan to do a book signing. She wanted to meet me in person. She had written a book called: "Killing For Sport" and she was promoting it.

Pat is a criminal profiler and I had known her since 1999, when we first met online. I did tell her about the vision from the Koran. However, I never told her about my dad being in the other room. I didn't think it was important, so I didn't mention it. Well, she picked the date that we would meet; Sunday, June 15th, 2003...Father's Day. I was blown away.

Meanwhile, my aunt was taking a religion class at college and she asked me to write about my vision so that her teacher could analyze it. So, I wrote a one page paper about my vision.

On Sunday, June 15th, I was at my aunt's house and we were getting ready to drive to Ann Arbor to meet Pat Brown. My aunt Cheri approached me and showed me something. She pulled out her workbook and showed me that my vision was from the Koran.

An hour later, we arrived in Ann Arbor and I met Pat Brown in person at Border's bookstore. We were seated while Pat was talking about her book and some cases. During Pat's presentation, my aunt noticed something. Right behind us was a book display. The book was called: "Islam For Dummies." I turned to my aunt and I said: "Wouldn't ya know it!"

During the fall of 2003, I had written several mosques about the vision from the Koran. I got a response from an author in the United Kingdom. The person in charge of that mosque was an author who had written over 200 books on the subject of Islam. When he wrote me, he said:"Welcome Home, We have been waiting for you." At first, they thought that I could be the Mahdi. When they found out that I was Chrisitian, they stopped communicating with me.

Next, I contacted the Director of the Islamic Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan. His name is Ratib Habbal. He analyzed my vision and compared it with Sura 24:35. He told me it was a match. He had a difficult time accepting that I was Christian. When I started asking Islamic Theological questions that he couldn't answer; he stopped communicating with me.

Ken

[Ken]

On Sunday morning, June 4th, 2000 at 8:00 am, I was awakened out of my sleep by a knock at my front door. It was the police. They were answering a 911 call from my house. I let the officers in and explained that I didn't call 911. I had no reason to. They searched my house and took down my name and they left.

Later on that afternoon, there was another knock at my front door. It was the police. They were answering another 911 call from my house. I let them in and explained what happened earlier that morning. They told me to call the phone company because there could be a problem with my phone line, then they left. So, I called the phone company. The phone company called back and told me that my phone line was fine and that the problem is with my phone.

So, I disconnected my phone from the phone jack and left it that way. I knew it was going to happen again, and it did. On the afternoon of June 5th, there was a knock at my front door. It was the police. They were answering yet another 911 call from my house. I asked one of the officers:"How long ago did the call come in?" He told me: "A few minutes ago." Next, I asked him: "Did anybody physically pick up the phone and make the call?" The officer replied: "It was a one-second hang up call and it came from your phone line!" I replied: "That's impossible!" I showed the officers the disconnected phone.

They told me to call the phone company and have them fix the problem. They were quite upset when they left. So, I called the phone company again. They shut off my phone for a few days and they sent someone out to fix the problem. I haven't had it since. However, a year later on July 17th, 2001, it happened to my aunt. She was coming home from school and she found the police and fire department at her house answering a 911 call. There was nobody home. She called me up and she freaked out on me.

On June 19th, 2004 it was published in the media that the original 9/11 plan was hatched in 1996. The original plan called for using 10 planes instead of 4.

This was the date of my vision...4/10/1996

On November 9th, 2004, I discovered that an urn with fire coming out of it is symbolic for only one religion...Zoroastrianism. The origins of Zoroastrianism dates back to what is now modern day Iran. Based on my vision, I believe there will be a major conflict with Iran in the near future. This is supported by the Bible in Jeremiah 51:11 and Isaiah 13:17.

Ken

[laini]

I'm sorry, but is this a joke? Can we stick to websleuthing? Thanks.

[Ken]

On July 30th, 2001, I was contacted online by someone who claims to be a witness. According to what he told me, there was a van that was pulled off to the side of the road. Stacy McCall and Sherrill Levitt were outside the van. There were two men and both of them had guns. This witness claims to have been as close as 8 feet away.

The van had so much junk in it that the women had to be transported while kneeling. The van had a Pennsylvania license plate.

According to what he told me in 2001, Stacy walked up to one of the men to ask him a question. He started beating her. He kept beating her until she stopped moving. Sherrill was next. After that he ran and the only person that was still alive at that time was Suzie.

He was interviewed via telephone by a criminal profiler that I know. She interviewed him for about 4 hours. She told me that his story seems to ring true. However, she did tell me that he refuses to take a polygraph test and he refuses to cooperate with the police.

I have been talking with him on and off since that time. One time he told me that: "Stacy went like a lamb to slaughter." He claims that he "forgot" the license plate numbers. However, he refuses to go under hypnosis to possibly retrieve the license plate numbers.

In the past year, his story has changed a bit. Now, the women are beaten to death while they are in the van while it is moving. He is following the van in his white Thunderbird convertible. The order is still the same. It's Stacy, then Sherrill, then Suzie.

He did tell me that he couldn't go to the Springfield Police because they could not guarantee his safety.

I wrote Robert Craig Cox and described what this witness had seen. Robert wrote back in a couple of letters to me that he was interested in the "transcripts" of what this witness had seen.

BTW...no Laini, this is not a joke. Please see http://users.1st.net/mwells/Visions.htm
for a complete description of my vision with Stacy McCall.

Laini, it would be nice to see a posting about your proactive involvement in the websleuthing aspects of this case. Thanks.

Ken

[laini]

Well, I think this has probably ended this discussion for awhile. Thanks.

Ken, I don't consider your "visions and superstitions"to be proactive involvement. But okay, you have the floor now. I will ignore your posts as they truely annoy me. If you have the answers, that's great. Why don't you tell the police. This is about the crime and it needs to be solved.

laini

[miles_draken]

This whole vision thing Ken is speaking of sounds like an "end of the world" type thing in it's tone. I agree that there are three women missing who need to be found. Ken if you are truly a "ghost whisperer" please give the police the concrete evidence neccessary to solve this tragedy. Answering a riddle with a puzzle isn't helping anyone.

[Ken]

I did contact the Springfield Police in June of 2002 and August of 2004. They did respond back in August 2004 stating that they were not aware that Cox Hospital South was an area of concern. My understanding from the email is that they never investigated that area.

They did indicate in the email that they would consider checking into it.

However, there is a whole lot of concrete there and they are understaffed. Not a pretty combination.

Ken

[Ken]

I hope this isn't a complete surprise, however we are living in the end times just before Christ's return. For example, the President of Iran stated that he wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the map. This is Bible Prophecy. This is found in Psalm 83:4. This shouldn't be a surprise. There is also going to be a showdown with Iran in the near future. This is found in Jeremiah 51:11 and Isaiah 13:17. So, it shouldn't be a surprise to hear about Iran in the news.

So, what does this have to do with the three missing women? This is where it gets interesting...

When you do a Google search about missing people; you are going to find millions upon millions of them. The list is endless. It's nearly infinite.

What if God picked just one case to teach the world a lesson about missing people? What if he chose the three missing women to be the example?

Luke 21:11 "...and great signs shall there be from Heaven."

This verse does not say "from the heavens above." It says "From Heaven."

"Your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams." (Acts 2:17 and Joel 2:28 ).

Ironically, my last name is Young. When I experienced my vision from the Koran, I was 30 years old. Zoroaster was 30 when he experienced his first vision, so I guess I am in good company. My dream is to find Stacy McCall. I want to know what it's like when everything falls into place. I know that it will because I am 40 years old (an old man) and the Bible says that I will "dream dreams."

I do have strong reason to believe the three missing women case will be solved in the near future. Additionally, I personally believe it will involve proof of the existence of God and that it will impact the entire planet.

Robert Craig Cox has stated in the media that the three missing women "will never be found."

The future just may prove him wrong...

Ken

[miles_draken]

Well this has officially turned into the Nostrodamus thread.

[Ken]

Hi Miles,

Have you considered taking a trip to Springfield to research Cox Hospital South?

You mentioned in an earlier post that you were considering doing research on the cisterns and triangles in Springfield.

Just curious...

Ken

[Ken]

Hi Laini,

Have you ever considered corresponding with Robert Cox? With your websleuthing skills, I believe you may have a shot at getting him to open up.

In his last letter to me, this is what he wrote:

Ken,

Happy Birthday! You have been on my mind and I wasn't surprised when your letter came. The weather here is hot and humid. Looking forward to cooler weather.
Still trying to obtain the funds for a typewriter. Hopefully by Christmas. I have made up my mind to wait for a typewriter before I'll comment on your questions and thoughts. If I don't get a typewriter then maybe it's a sign.
Money is tight. But I still have your stamps to write you over the next decade. So be patient, I will not forget you.
As for the tennis magazine insert, It was nothing but filler to ensure that my note didn't fall out. Sometimes you look too hard at something when nothing is there. Then when the obvious is right in front of you, it's easy to miss.
In your last letter you mentioned a photograph of yourself. I would be interested in seeing a picture of you.
Back to the typewriter. No, they won't allow anyone to donate one. I'm surprised that they still sell them to us.
Hope your Birthday will be a good one.
Until next time...

R (he underlines his initial twice)

[tybee204]

My son and daughter still live in Springfield. I will be there for 3 weeks in March for the birth of my grandson.

If there is any information you want me to check let me know.

[miles_draken]

I had considered looking per the old lady's vision. However, the reason I say this is turning into a Nostrodamus thread is because of the "end of the world" talk that has begun. It discredits every preacher I hear when they say the end is near, and so it naturally discredits any "visionary" as well. They've been screaming "end times" since the beginning of time. Nobody knows when or how or why it will all end. And I certainly don't believe the three missing women case will be involved with the end of the world. There are far too many missing case just as perplexing as this one. I don't mean to argue or fight, I'm sure you believe what you believe, as do I. The title of the site, however, is Websleuths, not WebPshycicInvestigatorsOfEndTimes.


Just my opinion. Now back to the case.

[Ken]

Hi Miles,

I need a favor...

Back in March of 1996, Reporter Dennis Graves from KYTV Channel 3 did a prison interview with Robert Cox. On their website, they have an archives section where you can request achived footage or pictures.

This past year, I requested the footage from the Robert Cox interview. Of course, they asked me a few questions and they gave me the cold shoulder. It may have to do with my abrasive personality.

You seem amiable enough. If you were to kindly ask them for the footage, they may hand over the Rosetta Stone to you. It's worth a shot and it would be much appreciated.

The picture of Robert Cox on Alex's website is courtesy of yours truly. I requested his picture from the Florida Department of Corrections. I was quite surprised when they actually sent me his picture. I forwarded his picture to Alex to be posted for all to see. It's only picture of him currently on the internet.

When I saw his picture for the first time, it really hit me hard. He strongly resembles me. I never in my life imagined that he would strongly resemble me.

Miles, if you could locate more pictures or footage of Robert Cox, again it would be much appreciated.

Thank you,

Ken

[Ken]

Hi Tybee,

While in Springfield, I would appreciate any info that you can gather about the Hulston Cancer Center (Formerly Cox Medical Plaza II) and it's surrounding area including the parking lot.

If you could take some pictures of the hospital and it's surrounding area that would be much appreciated.

Thank you,

Ken

[mysteriew]

The picture of Robert Cox on Alex's website is courtesy of yours truly. I requested his picture from the Florida Department of Corrections. I was quite surprised when they actually sent me his picture. I forwarded his picture to Alex to be posted for all to see. It's only picture of him currently on the internet.

Miles, if you could locate more pictures or footage of Robert Cox, again it would be much appreciated.

Thank you,

Ken

Ken, if you are in contact with him, why don't you ask him for a picture.

Here is the link to Alex's site for any who wish it.
http://www.homestead.com/airalex/COX.html

And I found this article about Cox that I thought you might be interested in. It gives info about correspondence with Cox.
http://springfield.news-leader.com/specialreports/threemissingwomen/day1_cox.html

[Ken]

The Texas Department of Corrections doesn't give out any pictures of it's inmates past or present. However, I never thought of asking Robert for his picture.

I did break off contact with him at the end of August. At that point, I had written him 19 times. He had written me 7 times. I told him that I wasn't going to write him anymore.

However, I have been mulling over re-starting correspondence with him. He has told me that he is interested in typing his letters to me. I may be able to convince him write a "Mein Kaumpf" type of manuscript that may possibly yield some clues. It may be worth the investment of $95 if he is willing to talk.

Before I agree to do that, I am going to have him write Stacy's full name in his own handwriting. That is what I want from him. I have something he wants. He has something that I want.

I believe that if I can get him to write her name in his own handwriting, it could be the first crack in the armor. It's possible that it could get him to open up.

Of course, if he doesn't write her full name, there is no typewriter.

In my last couple of letters to him, I ended them as follows:

On behalf of Stacy McCall,

Ken

[Ken]

I just mailed out my 20th letter to Robert Cox. I offered to send him the money to purchase a typewriter. There is one catch. In exchange, he must agree to write Stacy's full name in his own handwriting. I have something he wants and he has something that I want. This could get interesting...

[Ken]

I received the following letter from Robert Cox...

Ken,
Received your letter.
I am enclosing your requests for some money slips. I appreciate you wanting to help me out.
Not really sure what the deal is with Stacey Kathleen McCall is, but you seem to think its important.
I will be looking for your next letter. Hope you had a Happy Holiday Season. I need to get this out in the mail before they raise the postage rate to 39 cents.
Happy New Year!

R
(he doesn't underline his initial)

[airalex]

I received the following letter from Robert Cox...

Ken,
Received your letter.
I am enclosing your requests for some money slips. I appreciate you wanting to help me out.
Not really sure what the deal is with Stacey Kathleen McCall is, but you seem to think its important.
I will be looking for your next letter. Hope you had a Happy Holiday Season. I need to get this out in the mail before they raise the postage rate to 39 cents.
Happy New Year!

R
(he doesn't underline his initial)
Hi I'm Alex from the Missing Women page.
airalex.homestead.com/missing.html
I am not sure exactly how to work these forums, never did one before, but I want to let the folks know I am reachable for questions about my experience with old woman who told us about the triangle, and about the ground searches my little son and I did in SPR MO. [we didn't find anything, but everywhere we looked there were landmarks and topographical features that were a lot like the place the old psychic described]and I would also like to mention that Ken is about the only person actively investigating the case, and has made me aware of a lot of real data as well as the psychic stuff. He somehow got a photo of Robert Cox, and has kept me informed as to his correspondence with him. I still have a Cox letter he sent me to look at. He himself doesn't understand everything he "sees" but he is real good with detailed memory, and then other psychics like Bonnie Wells can help him sort it out. she fixed up a page for him[and mentions me, too!] The thing we all have in common is this case has a way of grabbing you and you just have to know what happened to the 3 missing women. We all want to solve the case, and none of us wants the reward. You can't hurt Ken's feelings about his experiences, and he is essentially being helpful. Maybe someone can make sense of some of it. Ken is a real nice fellow, and he is a bird in this world. He does run on sometimes, I think in order to be completely candid, and wants to get all the details down. I am originally from Virginia Beach, VA which is the home of the Edgar cayce foundation. Now THAT boy was SPOOKY! My wife is too, a little and I wish I could say I was, but I just can't, oh me of little faith. There is a huge library of impressions uttered by the "sleeping prophet" and the solution to many mysteries might be archived there, as Cayce seemed to transcend time and space. I just don't know how you access the info. If you visit my site, please sign the guest book, it is sort of a running conversation, too.

[Ken]

I just received the following letter from Robert...

Ken,

Thought I would drop you a quick letter. I was listening to the news tonight and heard about the snow and cold weather you were having in Michigan. Brrr...!! It has been very warm here. It was in the 70's yesterday.

Won't be long before baseball season starts again. I do enjoy listening to the games. Right now it seems the olympics are the feature sports.

Also wanted to let you know that the process has began. Won't be long before our correspondence will become interesting. I know you are looking forward to that. This year will give both of us something to think about. So be patient!

Hope you are doing well. If you happen to move before my next letter be sure to let me know. Are you still working as a telemarketer? I would like to hear more about your Job and what you try to sell over the phone. Obviously you are quite good at it to be paid so well.

I don't think I answered one of your questions from a recent letter. You had asked if I had ever considered writing a novel. I believe most people at one time in their life ponder the thought of writing a book. At this time in my life I am not interested in writing a book. Currently the laws prevent someone from making money writing about their crimes. It doesn't prevent someone else from doing it. Who knows, maybe you'll be the one to do it.

I'll close on that thought.

R (capital letter - he doesn't underline his initial).

[miles_draken]

Any new news on this case recently?? How do all these people keep disappearing and we never know what happened? Very frustrating. Someone needs to go to Springfield with a camera crew and shoot a documentary! Everything is solvable!

[MaryBeth]

I just checked the Springfield News-Leader last week and there is nothing. I usually try to do some checking once a month on this one and a couple other cases. According to what I could find in the Springfield newspaper, there hasn't been anything new since 2004. I would think the paper would be one of the first to have any updates as well as Doe and Charley Project. I would LOVE if if someone went there and made a documentary. I can't believe they can't solve this one either!

:banghead:

[SadieJane]

Thinking about this case today. It's unbelievable to imagine 2 families suffering for so long. I wish their disappearances had been taken more seriously at the beginning. Maybe things would be different now.

I just read a short story that I think was based on this case (Missing Women by June Spence; it's included in several anthologies). An interesting take on the town's reactions to these terrible disappearance (Spence worked at a newspaper in Springfield in 1992).

[ssarahann]

As I recall, during the time frame that the 3 women went missing a large portion of the James River Freeway was being built to the south of Cox medical center and west of Remingtons night club. Has anyone heard/read anything about the police dept investigating that area?

[Ken]

There is a point of interest in Springfield. It's the Hulston Cancer Center Parking Garage. On April 18th, a certain spot in the garage was scanned using a prototype technology. That scan indicated the presence of three sets of ovaries, dental work, hair, and jewelry. On June 16th, a second independent scan using ground penetrating radar was done. That scan indicated the presence of three sets of graves under concrete. The second scan was recorded on video. It's 12 minutes long and it was given to the Springfield Police Department. The data was also recorded on computer harddrive. Both scans were done independently of each other by two different people.

[MaryBeth]

Wow..that's interesting. I have been checking the Springfield newspaper and haven't found anything recent in there about them. I know they were thinking of that parking garage as an area of interest..isn't that across the street from Sherill Levitt's house where they disappeared from? I sure hope this lead pans out so they can find them! Thanks for the update.

[raisincharlie]

Wow..that's interesting. I have been checking the Springfield newspaper and haven't found anything recent in there about them. I know they were thinking of that parking garage as an area of interest..isn't that across the street from Sherill Levitt's house where they disappeared from? I sure hope this lead pans out so they can find them! Thanks for the update.
Liz,

These ladies disappeared from 1717 E. Delmar Street which is northeast and just over 2 miles from the location of the Hulston Cancer Center at 3850 S. National Ave as the crow flies. Driving from Delmar to the location of the referenced area would be more like 3 miles. The area around Delmar Street is primarily residential. The area around the Hulston Cancer Center (S. National at 360 - the James River Freeway) back in 1992 was an area containing hospitals (Cox South and Doctor's Hospital) and several other office type buildings occupied by various doctors (Smith Glenn Calloway etc.). If you go to Map Quest and enter either of these address you will be able to see the distances quite easily.

Of interest is that the freeway was complete to Kansas Expressway in 1992, no additional extension of this freeway was undertaken until 2002 - so there is no chance the bodies would be under the freeway. Also of note is according to Greene County Assessment records, 120,000 square feet of asphalt paving was placed on the Cox property (Hulston Cancer Center) in 1990. Link:http://www.greenecountyassessor.org/Datalets.asp?gsp=Oby_nh&mnu=PSearch&submnu=OutBuildings&pin=1907209006&cp=1&tp=1&Data1=

Having lived in this area for most of my adult life and knowing when things were built, I have serious doubts that these three ladies are buried under any asphalt paving or any freeway systems around town.

There has been no recent reporting on this case for some time now, however I can tell you that everytime bones are found anywhere in the area, they do run DNA tests to check. I can tell you that the area around Springfield is very rural with lots of hills and valleys, lots of heavily wooded areas, rivers and creek beds with steep bluffs, as well as state forests.

If I hear of anything I will post it for you here. Believe me it is still a topic of discussion in this neck of the woods.

[miles_draken]

Ken, I remember that you made some pshycic claims to have had 'visions' of one of these women. I'm curious where your information about the findings from the ground radar came from. I can't find an article verifying this. I also understand you have been in correspondance with Robert Craig Cox in Texas, any new information to report there?


I think these women will be found by accidental discovery and not from some premonition or pshycic scent. I've read recently some accounts that wonder if they are alive, I don't personally see how this could be possible. To hold a person in captivity in this country for thirteen years is not unheard of, but to hold three women would seem to me quite a feet.

[Ken]

The Hulston Cancer Center Parking Garage was built beginning in September of 1993. If it is true the women are buried there, then we cannot account for their whereabouts for about 15 months. My understanding is that the Springfield Police are seriously reviewing the data from the second scan. That scan does indicate the presence of three graves. The person who did the second scan said off camera there are three sets of skulls, three backbones, and three sets of extremities. No, you won't find anything in the media about this as of yet. That may change in the near future. Of course if this is true, it does make my vision with Stacy McCall a genuine authentic vision. Personally, I can't wait until that happens.

[MaryBeth]

I agree that something should be in the newspaper about the scans as it would be of great interest to many people. And who did the scans? It obviously wasn't the Springfield Police if Ken said they were reviewing the second scan.

The News-Leader has an archived section of all articles on this case. Here is the website to get to one of the articles.

http://springfield.news-leader.com/specialreports/threemissingwomen/families060902.html

Below the article they have past articles you can click on and then below that there is a section called Multimedia. Down where it says Video, Three Missing Women, the Beginning of a Mystery, there is a compilation video of all the headlines and images from the disappearance. It's very haunting to watch the video and listen to the music. I'm sure most of you have already seen it but it still is very chilling.

[MaryBeth]

Liz,

These ladies disappeared from 1717 E. Delmar Street which is northeast and just over 2 miles from the location of the Hulston Cancer Center at 3850 S. National Ave as the crow flies. Driving from Delmar to the location of the referenced area would be more like 3 miles. The area around Delmar Street is primarily residential. The area around the Hulston Cancer Center (S. National at 360 - the James River Freeway) back in 1992 was an area containing hospitals (Cox South and Doctor's Hospital) and several other office type buildings occupied by various doctors (Smith Glenn Calloway etc.). If you go to Map Quest and enter either of these address you will be able to see the distances quite easily.

Of interest is that the freeway was complete to Kansas Expressway in 1992, no additional extension of this freeway was undertaken until 2002 - so there is no chance the bodies would be under the freeway. Also of note is according to Greene County Assessment records, 120,000 square feet of asphalt paving was placed on the Cox property (Hulston Cancer Center) in 1990. Link:http://www.greenecountyassessor.org/Datalets.asp?gsp=Oby_nh&mnu=PSearch&submnu=OutBuildings&pin=1907209006&cp=1&tp=1&Data1=

Having lived in this area for most of my adult life and knowing when things were built, I have serious doubts that these three ladies are buried under any asphalt paving or any freeway systems around town.

There has been no recent reporting on this case for some time now, however I can tell you that everytime bones are found anywhere in the area, they do run DNA tests to check. I can tell you that the area around Springfield is very rural with lots of hills and valleys, lots of heavily wooded areas, rivers and creek beds with steep bluffs, as well as state forests.

If I hear of anything I will post it for you here. Believe me it is still a topic of discussion in this neck of the woods.
Thanks raisincharlie for the info...I can believe it is still a hot topic for discussion around the area. It's just so baffling...I haven't read some of the past articles in depth for a while but do you know if many people believe that Robert Craig Cox was responsible for their disappearance or that he really knows what happened? The last I remember reading he was in prison in Texas for something else. I'll have to re-read them all again when I have time but I can't remember what the general concensus was about him. Thanks again!

[Ken]

My partner is a reporter in Springfield. She videotaped the second scan that was given to the Springfield Police. At this time, I can't tell you her name or the name of the person who did the second scan. However, I can tell you the name of the person who did the first scan. His name is Tim Gray.

On April 18th, my partner called me and told me that Tim found a point of interest in the Hulston Cancer Center Parking Garage. I was numb with excitement. When he came to Springfield, we had around 12 areas lined up for him to look at with his instrument. Mine was the 3rd one on his list. He told me that he found the three graves just four hours after arriving in Springfield.

On June 16th, a second independent scan was done using ground penetrating radar to confirm Tim's original findings. In fact, I am meeting with Tim Gray this evening for the first time - in person.

The exact spot in question is the basement of the Hulston Cancer Center Parking Garage underneath the first floor ramp. Both scans indicate the presence of three graves under virgin concrete. The second scan indicates the presence of three graves between 1.9 and 3 feet deep under concrete.

Right now, we are anticipating that an excavation will be taking place by sometime in August to rule in or rule out this exact spot. My partner did tell me that she is considering taking the videotape to the national media.

[miles_draken]

Again, I'm not trying to run anyones beliefs down, but Ken I know you are a self-professed psychic. The vision you had cannot be proved or disproved by anyone, and it seems now there is this scan with ground penetrating radar that found three graves that nobody can seem to verify either. I go back to an earlier statement when I said that I believe if a psychic would come forward and say this person is in x place and so and so did it with this weapon and actually solved it then the entire profession would gain credibility. But that doesn't happen, you have Sylvia Browne coming on Montel twice a year talking about knomes and underworld beings and then you are supposed to trust her enough to shell out $1600 for a phone reading with her. It's a bogus religion right now as far as most law enforcement is concerned.


It makes for interesting stories and good tv, but where are these three women, where is Natalie Holloway, where is Tara Grinstead, where is Jodie Husentruit, where is Johnny Gosch, and the thousands of other high profile cases that come across these boards. Why can't any of these psychics find these people.

It all has to be extremely cryptic and open to interpretation. Your vision, with all do respect Ken, was so vague that you could backtrack if these girls are found and attach credibility to everything you said due to the vagueness of it. I know your interpretation was that she was dead and had been sexually assaulted, that's almost a given in this case. I would just ask for one psychic to come forward with plain english explanations of a cold case and solve the friggin' thing and bring a tiny bit of credibility to what is nothing more, in my opinion, than a religion.

Sorry to rant, Ken, I don't know you and I'm sure you are a great guy. I just wish you were a great psychic too and could solve all these cases. You'd be worth millions my friend.

[Ken]

The message that Stacy McCall gave me is as follows: "Right in back of Cox Hospital South; while facing west, it's the building (area) to the left." I wrote the Springfield Police in 2002 and again in 2004 specifically about the Hulston Cancer Center and surrounding area.

Please see http://users.1st.net/mwells/visions.htm for information about how I reached that conclusion.

Miles, If the three missing women are buried in the basement of the Hulston Cancer Center Parking Garage underneath the first floor ramp, it makes my vision with Stacy McCall authentic. Period.

[laini]

Again, I'm not trying to run anyones beliefs down, but Ken I know you are a self-professed psychic. The vision you had cannot be proved or disproved by anyone, and it seems now there is this scan with ground penetrating radar that found three graves that nobody can seem to verify either. I go back to an earlier statement when I said that I believe if a psychic would come forward and say this person is in x place and so and so did it with this weapon and actually solved it then the entire profession would gain credibility. But that doesn't happen, you have Sylvia Browne coming on Montel twice a year talking about knomes and underworld beings and then you are supposed to trust her enough to shell out $1600 for a phone reading with her. It's a bogus religion right now as far as most law enforcement is concerned.


It makes for interesting stories and good tv, but where are these three women, where is Natalie Holloway, where is Tara Grinstead, where is Jodie Husentruit, where is Johnny Gosch, and the thousands of other high profile cases that come across these boards. Why can't any of these psychics find these people.

It all has to be extremely cryptic and open to interpretation. Your vision, with all do respect Ken, was so vague that you could backtrack if these girls are found and attach credibility to everything you said due to the vagueness of it. I know your interpretation was that she was dead and had been sexually assaulted, that's almost a given in this case. I would just ask for one psychic to come forward with plain english explanations of a cold case and solve the friggin' thing and bring a tiny bit of credibility to what is nothing more, in my opinion, than a religion.

Sorry to rant, Ken, I don't know you and I'm sure you are a great guy. I just wish you were a great psychic too and could solve all these cases. You'd be worth millions my friend.

Well said!!

[Ken]

Miles,

I have never ever intepreted my own vision stating that Stacy was sexually assaulted. You have mis-quoted me.

[miles_draken]

I apologize Ken, I will re-read the original post as soon as I can. I never meant to misquote you, and contrary to what you might think I wasn't running you down for your beliefs either. What I'm saying is just a mainstream view, or what I percieve to be the mainstream view toward this sort of thing right now. I am curious how the Springfield police recieved your information. Were they interested or did they seem to just blow it off? And you said something about the radar showing traces of ovaries? i believe you said, in addition to the grave, can it really detect that? I'm just asking because I have no knowledge of how it works.

[englishleigh]

There have been human remains found in a rural yard in western MO. It is believed they are drug murders. Is there any possibility that some of these remains (of 2-6 people) could be our Springfield Three?

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5302609

[miles_draken]

Interesting possibility. It is a few hours from Springfield and I had heard about this case last night but never thought it might be their final resting place. My first instinct is no, because it appears drug related and I don't think the missing women from Springfield had anything to do with drugs, but who knows. We'll have to watch this case with more interest now.

[MaryBeth]

There have been human remains found in a rural yard in western MO. It is believed they are drug murders. Is there any possibility that some of these remains (of 2-6 people) could be our Springfield Three?

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5302609

I thought of them too when I first heard about this...it sounds like the people buried there had actually gone to this guy's house for drug deals though so in all probability the Springfield Three aren't among the people who are buried there. :(

I hope I'm wrong though!

[Ken]

The following is from my partner in Springfield. This is in reference to the Hulston Cancer Center Parking Garage...

From Kathee Baird - Friday, 9/1/06 - Yes, it is true that the Greene County Prosecutor's office, as well as the Springfield police department (i.e. Cpl. Greg Higdon) have seen and are in possession of the said video tape. The prosecutor's office has been receptive to everything that has been shared with them. Greg Higdon on the other hand has been dragging his feet. I am prepared to go over Cpl. Higdon's head as I have a call in to his direct supervisor, and am waiting to hear back from him. It has been almost five months now that the police department has known about the spot and continue to do nothing!!! It is an outrage....and quite frankly I am running out of patience. With the help of Alex, Ken and Bonnie as well as our GPR people we have done most of the Springfield police department's homework for them. The reason that we did not post anything earlier was that we wanted to work with the police, so that they were able to build as solid a case for conviction that they could and not turn this into a media circus for them. Oh well, they had their chance. I ask anyone who thinks that this spot needs to be looked at to call Cpl. Higdon at 417-864-1768, or you may e-mail me at meyer_news@hotmail.com. P.S. A friend of mine in the television media has a copy of the tape as well!!

[BuddyMidwest]

Ken - anything new to report on progress? I live in Springfield and drive by Cox South every day on my way to and from work.

[Ken]

Hi Buddy,

A high ranking official has told us that he wants to have this lead resolved by the beginning of December. If everything falls into place, Christmas will be arriving early this year.

Ken

[Missouri Mule]

I followed this case very closely in 1992 as I lived in Springfield for some 26 years. I believe I may have some worthwhile contributions to offer. If there is anyone with personal knowledge of material facts I would be interested in knowing what they may be.

Without going into detail at this time, I would like to offer an informed opinion. This case will not be solved unless an outside experienced investigator is called into review the case. I base this assessment on my own experience with the Springfield Police Department at the time it was a "hot" case in 1992. I will flesh this out in later posts if this thread further develops as I hope it will.

As I said, I would have opined previously but did not know of this on-going discussion here. Looks like it offers some hope when all hope appears lost.

I will offer this information right now. Two of my co-workers were customers of Sheryl Levitt up to the time of her dissappearance. One had her hair done just two days prior to the abduction. There was nothing in her demeanor that would indicate there was any issues on-going.

As I said, this case will not be solved by the Springfield Police Department and I have some serious doubts about the Prosecuting Attorney's office as well. I also base that on personal experience with a part of that operation which at time was quite frustrating.

I'll leave it here for now.

[Jodibug]

Nothing new from the parking garage lead?

I'm in MO also, a couple hours from Springfield. My husband is there a couple times a week for his job.

[Missouri Mule]

Nothing new from the parking garage lead?

I'm in MO also, a couple hours from Springfield. My husband is there a couple times a week for his job.
Around Cox South? Personally, I think that is a pipedream. The problem with the investigation is that there never was any direction to the investigation. They ignored or failed to follow up with real leads and suspects and sent everyone off on a wild goose chase with the van which was never proven to have actually occurred. It might have but it might not. But there were other certain leads that I personally know of.

There was a lot of friction and finger pointing between the police department, the FBI and any others who might have wanted to become involved. As I recall (and it has been 14 years ago), the Missouri Highway Patrol was told to butt out of the investigation.

This case is not going to be solved until it is pried loose from the Springfield Police Department and a private retired investigator or group who know how to work these cases goes over it with a fine toothed comb. I got very much involved in this case as an interested citizen and for my efforts was given the bum's rush by the detective in charge. So much for wanting citizen involvement.

Get some fresh eyes on this case. The Springfield Police Department will never solve this case. If I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong, I will be the first to congratulate anyone on that force who actually breaks the case. But I'm not holding my breath.

[Ken]

Nothing new from the parking garage lead?

I'm in MO also, a couple hours from Springfield. My husband is there a couple times a week for his job.Hi Jodi,

The parking garage lead is still being followed up on. We should know something soon. There is alot going on behind the scenes that I can't talk about. We believe this lead will be more than worth the wait. Hang tight :-)

Ken

[Missouri Mule]

Hi Jodi,

The parking garage lead is still being followed up on. We should know something soon. There is alot going on behind the scenes that I can't talk about. We believe this lead will be more than worth the wait. Hang tight :-)

Ken
I hope you're right but I would be amazed if anything comes of it. If I were a betting man I would say we'll wait another 14 years before we know anything, if then. If Jimmy Hoffa hasn't be found in 30 years with all of the FBI's expertise what's to believe that the Springfield Police Department is going to suddenly solve this case? Although I don't live in Missouri right now, I still come from Missouri and I'll believe it when I see it. I want to be "shown" some results. Let us hope. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

[BuddyMidwest]

I'm glad to see some discussion going on the forum again. I live in Springfield, too, and have most of my life - and, of course, paid great attention when the women disappeared and to the investigation. It reminds me of the Jon-Benet investigation - and reinforces how important it is for small town police departments to ask for help when faced with things like this. I mean, how often does something like this happen in Springfield, Missouri?

There was a lot of conflict and politics going on with the police department at that time (and it probably continues). Not to mention lack of experience - and they inherited a seriously contaminated crime scene and were called onto the scene later rather than sooner.

I knew the owner of the salon where Sheryl worked - not overly well, but better than an acquaintance. So it drew me in even more. I moved out of state the year following the disappearance and tried to keep up - but it seemed the investigation went nowhere fast. Now I'm back in Springfield - in fact I live just a few blocks from the Delmar address.

I would love to take a fresh look at things in this forum - what we know, what we don't - it never hurts to keep going at it - it's what keeps these cases fresh and keeps people pushing for answers.

[Missouri Mule]

I'm glad to see some discussion going on the forum again. I live in Springfield, too, and have most of my life - and, of course, paid great attention when the women disappeared and to the investigation. It reminds me of the Jon-Benet investigation - and reinforces how important it is for small town police departments to ask for help when faced with things like this. I mean, how often does something like this happen in Springfield, Missouri?

There was a lot of conflict and politics going on with the police department at that time (and it probably continues). Not to mention lack of experience - and they inherited a seriously contaminated crime scene and were called onto the scene later rather than sooner.

I knew the owner of the salon where Sheryl worked - not overly well, but better than an acquaintance. So it drew me in even more. I moved out of state the year following the disappearance and tried to keep up - but it seemed the investigation went nowhere fast. Now I'm back in Springfield - in fact I live just a few blocks from the Delmar address.

I would love to take a fresh look at things in this forum - what we know, what we don't - it never hurts to keep going at it - it's what keeps these cases fresh and keeps people pushing for answers.
Two of the folks that went to her were my co-workers. One saw her just two days before the abductions where they discussed the pending graduations of their daughters.

Can anyone clear a question up for me? Did Cox work as a car salesman in Springfield? Somewhere I saw that posted and that was the first I have heard of it.

[BuddyMidwest]

Missouri Mule - I've read that, too. Cox returned to Springfield after being released from jail in Florida. Apparently he listed his occupation as car salesman on a Missouri license application. Also worked for a time with Stacy McCall's father.

He definitely seems to be a man of opportunity - not one to go out of his way seeking victims - but rather someone he's come in contact with. But he also doesn't seem the type to take on 3 at once and had never worked with partners - at least that has been discussed or published.

[Missouri Mule]

Missouri Mule - I've read that, too. Cox returned to Springfield after being released from jail in Florida. Apparently he listed his occupation as car salesman on a Missouri license application. Also worked for a time with Stacy McCall's father.

He definitely seems to be a man of opportunity - not one to go out of his way seeking victims - but rather someone he's come in contact with. But he also doesn't seem the type to take on 3 at once and had never worked with partners - at least that has been discussed or published.
I think it has yet to be established that he actually worked with Mr. McCall. I know from personal knowledge that Mr. McCall worked at a local dealership because I saw him there. But I have no independent knowledge that Cox also worked there.

As an aside Cox is about 65 miles from where I live cooling his heels in the Lovelady, Texas "maximum" facility. He may be playing everyone for fools. Until I see something that ties him to this crime I am unconvinced he is the one who did it. However, it appears that he was a Springfield native and returned there so that is very interesting in and of itself.

The way this crime is going to be solved is by discovering the motive behind these abductions. Find the motive, solve the crime. And to find out any more about the case, pressure, great pressure, must bear on the Springfield Police Department to be more forthcoming or this case will just get colder still just like the Judge Crater case. They will be writing about this 75 years from now. We know more about the likely idenity of Jack the Ripper than we do about the perps who did this crime.

[MaryBeth]

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{The way this crime is going to be solved is by discovering the motive behind these abductions. Find the motive, solve the crime. And to find out any more about the case, pressure, great pressure, must bear on the Springfield Police Department to be more forthcoming or this case will just get colder still just like the Judge Crater case. They will be writing about this 75 years from now. We know more about the likely idenity of Jack the Ripper than we do about the perps who did this crime.}

I don't live in Missouri but I have been following this case for about the past 3 years. Besides checking on Websleuths I also check the Springfield News-Leader about once a week to see if there are any updates. I haven't read the past articles about this case in the Springfield newspaper for several months now, I just usually check the paper for any new developments. But it seems to me I remember reading at some point a possible motive could have been Suzanne Streeter's involvement with drugs or a connection to people selling drugs??

Has there ever been any other motive brought up in this case besides a possible drug connection?

Even with me being so far away from this geographically and not knowing the inner workings of the Springfield PD, it seems so frustrating that they haven't been able to move any farther with this case. I've read the letters in the paper that Cox apparently wrote to a reporter and I don't think he did it either, especially by himself. And I don't know what to make of the parking garage lead. I wish there was a cold case squad of retired LE officials or detectives who could take a new look at this and start at the beginning.

[Missouri Mule]

QUOTE
{The way this crime is going to be solved is by discovering the motive behind these abductions. Find the motive, solve the crime. And to find out any more about the case, pressure, great pressure, must bear on the Springfield Police Department to be more forthcoming or this case will just get colder still just like the Judge Crater case. They will be writing about this 75 years from now. We know more about the likely idenity of Jack the Ripper than we do about the perps who did this crime.}

I don't live in Missouri but I have been following this case for about the past 3 years. Besides checking on Websleuths I also check the Springfield News-Leader about once a week to see if there are any updates. I haven't read the past articles about this case in the Springfield newspaper for several months now, I just usually check the paper for any new developments. But it seems to me I remember reading at some point a possible motive could have been Suzanne Streeter's involvement with drugs or a connection to people selling drugs??

Has there ever been any other motive brought up in this case besides a possible drug connection?

Even with me being so far away from this geographically and not knowing the inner workings of the Springfield PD, it seems so frustrating that they haven't been able to move any farther with this case. I've read the letters in the paper that Cox apparently wrote to a reporter and I don't think he did it either, especially by himself. And I don't know what to make of the parking garage lead. I wish there was a cold case squad of retired LE officials or detectives who could take a new look at this and start at the beginning.That was the speculation from the beginning. But it has never been definitively established. What I do know is that the investigation was a mess from day one with interagency squabbling that hampered the investigation. Additionally, the van business has never been established to be a fact. We could all have been sent on a wild goose chase.

I couldn't agree with you more that a fresh look by retired detectives who would be given unrestricted access to the files would be a very good idea. This was the single most expensive operation in Springfield history and to hear them tell it they don't have a single clue of who did it or why it was done. I don't believe that for one second nor do I believe it was a random act.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Until the people of Springfield DEMAND some answers this case will not be solved. The files will have to be opened up to retired or private investigators who can reexamine all of the information. It will take a month or more just to make the case file comprehensible. One of the things that has plagued this case from the beginning has been that there is too much information; not enough. But the department dropped the ball and jealousies developed and it was held close to the vest. If my memory serves me correctly, the Missouri Highway Patrol was told to butt out. The FBI was involved but as we know the cooperation between local police departments and the FBI are often strained to being non existent.

It has been said that certain people were ruled out at the beginning. We don't even know how that was done. Was it by lie detector tests? Those are not reliable as any competent lie detector expert would testify to. They are not allowed in court hearings. Handwriting is not reliable and now we are finding that fingerprints are not even totally reliable. The ONLY thing that is 100% reliable is DNA tests except in the case of identical twins. Do we know what evidence was even gathered at the crime scene and the DNA and other evidence? The answer is no. We do not. The Springfield people and the families have been kept in the dark to the present day. And most of it comes down to petty politics.

On a personal note I have a actual information regarding this case that I will not share in this forum but if interested parties were privy to it they would be outraged as I was at the time.

[BuddyMidwest]

If I remember correctly, the mention of Cox working with Stuart McCall came out of an interview Cox did with KY3. I'm not sure if transcripts of that exist - would be interesting to review. The News-Leader used to have the articles on this case pulled together in a special report section - however, since they've changed the site layout, looks like it's no longer in the active section. You can still access the old archive section at the following link.

http://springfield.news-leader.com/specialreports/threemissingwomen/day1_cox.html will take you to one of the articles on Cox from the series and at the bottom you can access others. In all the coverage I've read, no real evidence is discussed - other than the broken globe on the porch light (not the actual light, just the globe), the blinds in Susie's bedroom being parted as if someone had looked outside, and the fact all three women's purses were stacked together on the stairs leading into Susie's bedroom. The problem is they didn't treat it as a crime scene. The police weren't notified until late the following evening and even then, they treated it as a disappearance, not an abduction.

I would like to hear what others think on motive. I've heard the rumored drug connection, too. There has been discussion surrounding a guy that Sheryl was apparently dating and I seem to remember discussion early on about a young man Suzie was or had dated. I don't believe Stacy McCall had a boyfriend at the time.

I can't believe it was random either. Obviously there was no forced entry, so someone convinced those in the house to let them in or at least open the door and then forced their way in. Would seem to make more sense that the mother was the target - if this was planned, then those responsible should have known the daughter wasn't planning to be there. If that's the case, how did they manage to gain control when surprised by the daughter and friend coming home unexpectedly?

But it looks like the girls had already been in the house for awhile before they were all taken - Stacy had changed out of her clothes and apparently they had washed their faces, etc., getting ready for bed. So it would have been obvious the mother, daughter and more were in the house - as all the cars were parked right out front.

Talk at the police department was that there was no organized follow up on leads. People were given bits of tasks to do - but there was no organized focus moving from one lead to another and piecing it all togther.

What's does everyone else think on motive?

[Missouri Mule]

If I remember correctly, the mention of Cox working with Stuart McCall came out of an interview Cox did with KY3. I'm not sure if transcripts of that exist - would be interesting to review. The News-Leader used to have the articles on this case pulled together in a special report section - however, since they've changed the site layout, looks like it's no longer in the active section. You can still access the old archive section at the following link.

http://springfield.news-leader.com/specialreports/threemissingwomen/day1_cox.html will take you to one of the articles on Cox from the series and at the bottom you can access others. In all the coverage I've read, no real evidence is discussed - other than the broken globe on the porch light (not the actual light, just the globe), the blinds in Susie's bedroom being parted as if someone had looked outside, and the fact all three women's purses were stacked together on the stairs leading into Susie's bedroom. The problem is they didn't treat it as a crime scene. The police weren't notified until late the following evening and even then, they treated it as a disappearance, not an abduction.

I would like to hear what others think on motive. I've heard the rumored drug connection, too. There has been discussion surrounding a guy that Sheryl was apparently dating and I seem to remember discussion early on about a young man Suzie was or had dated. I don't believe Stacy McCall had a boyfriend at the time.

I can't believe it was random either. Obviously there was no forced entry, so someone convinced those in the house to let them in or at least open the door and then forced their way in. Would seem to make more sense that the mother was the target - if this was planned, then those responsible should have known the daughter wasn't planning to be there. If that's the case, how did they manage to gain control when surprised by the daughter and friend coming home unexpectedly?

But it looks like the girls had already been in the house for awhile before they were all taken - Stacy had changed out of her clothes and apparently they had washed their faces, etc., getting ready for bed. So it would have been obvious the mother, daughter and more were in the house - as all the cars were parked right out front.

Talk at the police department was that there was no organized follow up on leads. People were given bits of tasks to do - but there was no organized focus moving from one lead to another and piecing it all togther.

What's does everyone else think on motive?
Yes, I seem to recall that as well and I think I know which person that was who was alluded to. As I recall (and it has been 14 years ago) that same person used to frequent the building where I worked. But I think it became widely speculated about because of the individual's past. If it were the same person I am thinking of he had a rather sordid past. It was not Cox. They finally nailed this guy on another case but not this one. So far as I know he is now walking the streets. I have no independent knowledge that he even knew Sheryl Levitt. But many thought that he was the person who was dating her. I was hearing this constantly at the time. He was central in most everyone's pet theories; at least the ones I spoke to at the time. Certainly if they were connected he would have had to be Suspect #1. That would have been a coincidence that could not possibly be overlooked. That was all speculation that the police department never made public so we simply don't know. Maybe they are afraid they will be sued. Who knows?

Here is a minor detail that to my knowledge no one has ever published and I was told of this by one of the detectives in the task force. As it seems rather innocuous I'll just include it here for what it might be worth. According to what was told to me by the detective Suzie did not have a key to the back/side door. She would have had to come through the front door or be let in. I'm not even sure it is particularly important but evidently the belief was that this indicated Sheryl was concerned about her safety and wanted to limit entry in some small way. Make of that what you will.

I have a theory but there is no way to test it because the Springfield Police Department is holding all the cards. Since it is now quite obvious that none of the women are alive I can't imagine who they are protecting so why don't they at least publish some of the alternate theories that had to come up during the investigation. Let the public become involved while some of the potential witnesses and records are still available and alive.

My conclusion is that they are waiting for someone to walk into the police department and confess and explain the whole thing. It won't happen and the case will never be solved so long as they have this thing bottled up there. That's why the public will have to demand some accountability.

BTW, your memory is pretty good. It comports with my memory as well. I'll have to check out that link you provided.

[BuddyMidwest]

Missouri Mule - I agree, it looks like the police are waiting for someone to explain everything and take responsibility. I knew one of the detectives - used to work some with him when he would provide off-duty security - and always thought well of him. I can only imagine his frustration at not being able to do his job. Did no one ever look at the big picture - all the tips, leads, where they led to, etc.? It sounds like the answer is "no." And then the business about the green van. Did you hear about the guy who did see a van like that parked in a supermarket parking lot - looked suspicious enough that he apparently wrote down the license plate number, but later threw the paper it was on away. I'm guessing the van was tied to the cement plant workers that vaporized? Seems like that was all the focus and led nowhere.

When did Cox come to light as a suspect and what was his connection? That must have happened right after I transferred up north. I found the court documents filed on his Florida case online - but that's about the only information other than the taunts he used to regularly give to the News-Leader.

At one time, wasn't there speculation that the murder of Jackie Johns, from Ozark, was possibly tied to this? As in she may have been able to place the abductors with the victims? I thought I read that at one time.

Obviously the motive wasn't robbery. Doesn't seem to be carried out in such a way as to make a point either, i.e. silencing someone and making it obvious they were silenced as a deternt to others. Although, I guess if it were enough of a threat to someone, making a point wouldn't matter - disposing of the problem was all that did.

If the focus were one of the girls it could be some obsessive sexual type of thing - but those people are generally very cunning and wouldn't go asking for the trouble of taking on 3 people. Besides, the girls were wild cards, were they not? Unless someone was following them, no one knew, except people at that last party, that they would even be in that house.

I enjoy reading your posts. In your mind, who was the primary target?

[Missouri Mule]

Missouri Mule - I agree, it looks like the police are waiting for someone to explain everything and take responsibility. I knew one of the detectives - used to work some with him when he would provide off-duty security - and always thought well of him. I can only imagine his frustration at not being able to do his job. Did no one ever look at the big picture - all the tips, leads, where they led to, etc.? It sounds like the answer is "no." And then the business about the green van. Did you hear about the guy who did see a van like that parked in a supermarket parking lot - looked suspicious enough that he apparently wrote down the license plate number, but later threw the paper it was on away. I'm guessing the van was tied to the cement plant workers that vaporized? Seems like that was all the focus and led nowhere.

When did Cox come to light as a suspect and what was his connection? That must have happened right after I transferred up north. I found the court documents filed on his Florida case online - but that's about the only information other than the taunts he used to regularly give to the News-Leader.

At one time, wasn't there speculation that the murder of Jackie Johns, from Ozark, was possibly tied to this? As in she may have been able to place the abductors with the victims? I thought I read that at one time.

Obviously the motive wasn't robbery. Doesn't seem to be carried out in such a way as to make a point either, i.e. silencing someone and making it obvious they were silenced as a deternt to others. Although, I guess if it were enough of a threat to someone, making a point wouldn't matter - disposing of the problem was all that did.

If the focus were one of the girls it could be some obsessive sexual type of thing - but those people are generally very cunning and wouldn't go asking for the trouble of taking on 3 people. Besides, the girls were wild cards, were they not? Unless someone was following them, no one knew, except people at that last party, that they would even be in that house.

I enjoy reading your posts. In your mind, who was the primary target?I honestly can't say to your question. That's why it is critical to know just what working relationship may have existed between Mr. McCall and Cox. If there were, then I would have to say it was Stacy, which goes against the grain of the whole story that we heard at the time; namely that she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

About the Jackie Johns deal there was a connection but I believe she was murdered prior to the abductions. I could go into that as well as I was given some information about that the public is not privy to. That in and of itself is a scandal.

I have no idea if that alleged individual was involved but I used to ride the elevator with him on occasion and was introduced to him. I won't tell you what my urges were but they weren't positive.

I did some investigation last night and reread all of the articles by the reporter from the News-Leader and she is now located in NY where I sent her a brief e-mail last night. I want to ask her one question. But I would be happy to bounce this off you. This has nagged at me for over a decade and for the life of me I can't come up with a satisfactory explanation. Send me a PM and I'll tell you about it. Also I'd like to know which detective you are referring to. There is one particular detective there that I would dearly love to contact and see if he would be forthcoming.

I can't say this too strongly. This case to solvable but time is of the essense. It has beeen 14 years and memories and information will be getting terribly stale if much more time elapses. The foot dragging has to stop and stop now.

As an aside one of the police officers who was involved in the search later came to work where I also worked. I pumped him for information almost as soon as he came on board but he didn't have anything. I had a source from the Sheriff's office who also worked there and I pumped him continuously for months as he knew the operation over at the police department and he was one of the best I've ever seen at investigation. But he didn't have anything and furthermore he said to just forget it. He had a term for it but I can't recall what it was exactly. Soemthing about being a lost cause. It appears he correctly sized up the situation.

[BuddyMidwest]

Missouri Mule - I sent you a PM - would be happy to hear your question. Doubt I have any answers, but you never know. I'll see if I can find that mention of Cox working as a car salesman and determine if it was just something he listed on a license application or if it really happened. I can't imagine that wouldn't have come out in the media - although, back in 1992 and 1993 - nothing got published that the authorities didn't want published. Laura Bauer was a great reporter - I'm glad you've tracked her current location. I always figured she'd move to NY or LA eventually to work.

But Cox working with Mr. McCall would have been huge. But again, it doesn't seem to make sense, does it? If Stacy were the primary target, why make it so complicated? Surely he could have determined when he could catch her alone? And again, until the very last minute, she was due to be staying at the Kirby house following those parties. But I guess obsession doesn't lend itself to logic if that were the case.

The Suzie connection with drug activity - if that were true, again the scenario with the 3 doesn't make sense. We've seen retaliatory murders related to drugs in the Ozarks, but they normally just take care of the person involved - not take on two others that aren't.

What do you make of the broken porch light globe that the police opined about - as if that were the one clue that would break this case - I always had the impression that Kirby's boyfriend has lived all these years with the guilt he swept away key evidence.

The police also made a big deal about the placement of the purses on the stairs. That does seem strange - at least for the mother's purse unless she always kept it there - but that really doesn't make sense.

[MaryBeth]

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{I couldn't agree with you more that a fresh look by retired detectives who would be given unrestricted access to the files would be a very good idea. This was the single most expensive operation in Springfield history and to hear them tell it they don't have a single clue of who did it or why it was done. I don't believe that for one second nor do I believe it was a random act. }

There is one organization mentioned on a couple other posts on here that I have also seen on TV shows about unsolved cases called the Vidocq Society. They're out of Philadelphia I believe and they take on unsolved disappearances and crimes that usually everyone else gives up on. This case sounds tailor-made for them. I don't know if just anyone can contact them about the case or if LE has to make initial contact and submit the files. Of course, if the Springfield PD wants the lid kept on this case, they may not share any information with an outside group, even one with a good reputation like Vidocq. Here is a link for them.

www.vidocq.org (http://www.vidocq.org/)

[Missouri Mule]

I just found out something just today that I did not know and it would be crucial to this case but unfortunately I can't relate it here. I'm not trying to be deliberately coy about it but I just can say it.

I can't believe that this case is stuck in neutral with all of the information known. This case definitely needs an outside look with "fresh eyes."

[BuddyMidwest]

I wasn't able to find direct information on Cox's history as a car salesman - but did find a couple of letters he wrote to the News-Leader regarding his whereabouts at the time of the disappearances. If I remember correctly, he first denied being in the area, but then changed his story - a couple of times. Seems he has a history of being charged with abducting people or holding them at gunpoint. He also has a history of getting caught, so perhaps not the best at planning - and this case definitely had some planning.

Seems it would have been fairly easy for LE to determine who, if anyone, Sherrill was dating at the time. She worked in an environment that is rich with swapping stories and for customers and co-workers to get to know you, who you're dating, hobbies. Seems like the salon owner or some of her fellow stylists would have known - unless Sherrill was keeping it a secret and what would motivate that?

Liz - thanks for the link on vidoq. I visited the homepage - you're right, it does seem that they require LE be the ones to submit a case. I wonder if Court TV or A&E has ever been contacted. Although, if they're smart, the producers are cruising these sleuthing communities for ideas on an ongoing basis. Also, I think they like to have closure to talk about and we've got none of that - yet.

[MaryBeth]

I wasn't able to find direct information on Cox's history as a car salesman - but did find a couple of letters he wrote to the News-Leader regarding his whereabouts at the time of the disappearances. If I remember correctly, he first denied being in the area, but then changed his story - a couple of times. Seems he has a history of being charged with abducting people or holding them at gunpoint. He also has a history of getting caught, so perhaps not the best at planning - and this case definitely had some planning.

Seems it would have been fairly easy for LE to determine who, if anyone, Sherrill was dating at the time. She worked in an environment that is rich with swapping stories and for customers and co-workers to get to know you, who you're dating, hobbies. Seems like the salon owner or some of her fellow stylists would have known - unless Sherrill was keeping it a secret and what would motivate that?

Liz - thanks for the link on vidoq. I visited the homepage - you're right, it does seem that they require LE be the ones to submit a case. I wonder if Court TV or A&E has ever been contacted. Although, if they're smart, the producers are cruising these sleuthing communities for ideas on an ongoing basis. Also, I think they like to have closure to talk about and we've got none of that - yet.
You're right about Cold Case Files on A&E..they usually do only solved cases. But I have seen at least 2 episodes that were not solved but they were submitted by LE from where ever the crime occurred and were aired only because they wanted help from the public. This would be a good case for Cold Case Files. Court TV has been running a show every once in a while hosted by Nancy Grace and I think it's called Court TV investigates. It's only a half hour show but it profiles either unsolved disappearances or unsolved murders. Dominick Dunne was on 1 or 2 of the episodes with her. They just had a segment on last week about a couple from Michigan who went missing on their boat. This case would be perfect for that show. There is also Greta van Susteren with her On the Record show on Fox, Dateline NBC and 48 Hours who could do segments on it. It's interesting enough and they just might get some leads from it, who knows? There are definitely some TV shows out there that could profile this and generate some much-needed attention to get this case heated up again!

[BuddyMidwest]

Liz - I agree. I watch those all the time and I'm sure you do, too? They have cold cases that have gone for 20 years or more. They've got to get on this one, though as the more time passes, the more people forget, die, etc. It just seems that LE got caught up in one or two theories and when those didn't pan out, didn't have anywhere else to go.

Not that there was a lot to go on. It was so late at night and that house isn't that noticeable as it sits on the edge of that neighborhood. It's strange because some of the biggest, most beautiful historic homes are right next door. And a major street (Glenstone) just a couple of blocks the other direction. But I've noticed myself when I'm coming home late, traffic isn't heavy. And it's never what I'd call heavy in this neighborhood.

The 2 women had only lived there a couple of months - not really enough time for neighbors to know who was normal at your house and who wasn't. It's like Missouri Mule said - if we could just center in on motive. I don't believe it was random. But if it were related to the mother - someone she dated, drug involvement, etc. Her co-workers should have been loaded with information on either of those counts - unless they were afraid to talk. She was a hairdresser and it would seem impossible for them not to know something funny was going on.

If Suzie were the target, certainly one of her friends or someone from school would have noticed something. The puzzling thing is she wasn't supposed to be home that night. If someone planned well, they would know that. Unless it was someone whose path they crossed at one of the parties - or on the way home. Same for Stacy - she wasn't supposed to be there either - and the only people who would have known she was were at that last party - and it may not have been decided until they returned to her friend's house where they were supposed to stay. If so, only that small group of people would have known.

There was talk the 3 were seen at George's Restaurant just down the street from the house - something like 2 a.m. If that's the case, they may have crossed paths with someone there - but I don't think that was ever proven. However, it was supposedly one of Sherrill's favorite restaurants, so surely the servers would recognize her.

And it doesn't make sense that the abductors were already in the house when the girls returned - that they walked in on someone abducting the mother. It was stated it was obvious they had changed clothes, taken off jewelry, washed their faces to get ready for bed. They surely would have had to interact with the mother when they arrived - I don't think she expected them back that night either. They would have at least said, "we're home" or something, right?

I sometimes wonder if it is something more random - and that there's no good explanation as to why. Sometimes you just have to accept that, as planned as things may appear, the decision to target them may make absolutely no sense except in the convoluted mind of the abductors.

It certainly makes me pay attention to my surroundings when I'm coming in after dark or when someone knocks on the door unexectedly. It makes you realize it could happen to anyone.

[Missouri Mule]

Liz - I agree. I watch those all the time and I'm sure you do, too? They have cold cases that have gone for 20 years or more. They've got to get on this one, though as the more time passes, the more people forget, die, etc. It just seems that LE got caught up in one or two theories and when those didn't pan out, didn't have anywhere else to go.

Not that there was a lot to go on. It was so late at night and that house isn't that noticeable as it sits on the edge of that neighborhood. It's strange because some of the biggest, most beautiful historic homes are right next door. And a major street (Glenstone) just a couple of blocks the other direction. But I've noticed myself when I'm coming home late, traffic isn't heavy. And it's never what I'd call heavy in this neighborhood.

The 2 women had only lived there a couple of months - not really enough time for neighbors to know who was normal at your house and who wasn't. It's like Missouri Mule said - if we could just center in on motive. I don't believe it was random. But if it were related to the mother - someone she dated, drug involvement, etc. Her co-workers should have been loaded with information on either of those counts - unless they were afraid to talk. She was a hairdresser and it would seem impossible for them not to know something funny was going on.

If Suzie were the target, certainly one of her friends or someone from school would have noticed something. The puzzling thing is she wasn't supposed to be home that night. If someone planned well, they would know that. Unless it was someone whose path they crossed at one of the parties - or on the way home. Same for Stacy - she wasn't supposed to be there either - and the only people who would have known she was were at that last party - and it may not have been decided until they returned to her friend's house where they were supposed to stay. If so, only that small group of people would have known.

There was talk the 3 were seen at George's Restaurant just down the street from the house - something like 2 a.m. If that's the case, they may have crossed paths with someone there - but I don't think that was ever proven. However, it was supposedly one of Sherrill's favorite restaurants, so surely the servers would recognize her.

And it doesn't make sense that the abductors were already in the house when the girls returned - that they walked in on someone abducting the mother. It was stated it was obvious they had changed clothes, taken off jewelry, washed their faces to get ready for bed. They surely would have had to interact with the mother when they arrived - I don't think