Elderly Man Broke After Friendship With Garrido

[my2sisters]

Elderly Man Broke After Friendship With Garrido

http://cbs5.com/local/phillip.garrido.neighbor.2.1216808.html (http://cbs5.com/local/phillip.garrido.neighbor.2.1216808.html)

WOW!

[JenB]

Oh, poor guy! How sad.

[my2sisters]

So based on the receipts, PG was apparently still into porn. We've wondered if he changed and I think this answers our question!

[my2sisters]

Maybe he made Jaycee forge the checks and used that against her. Many of us have thought PG may have had something "on" Jaycee that would keep her from going to the police. After-the-fact, he may have told her that she could go to jail.

[Billylee]

Elderly Man Broke After Friendship With Garrido

http://cbs5.com/local/phillip.garrido.neighbor.2.1216808.html (http://cbs5.com/local/phillip.garrido.neighbor.2.1216808.html)

WOW!

Well now, I was wondering where he got his money to support his drug habit, obviously, this is one source. (Wonder how much of his mother's S/S he was taking?????) Okay, I already was asking where CPS was in all of this, are we now looking at elderly abuse as well? Did Nancy's role play a big part in this? This case just gets curiouser and curiouser all the time. Someone on an earlier post (or somewhere I was reading??) said something to the effect that "a fiction writer couldn't even make this stuff up to be believable" I couldn't agree more! :waitasec:

[kbl8201]

Well now, I was wondering where he got his money to support his drug habit, obviously, this is one source. (Wonder how much of his mother's S/S he was taking?????) Okay, I already was asking where CPS was in all of this, are we now looking at elderly abuse as well? Did Nancy's role play a big part in this? This case just gets curiouser and curiouser all the time. Someone on an earlier post (or somewhere I was reading??) said something to the effect that "a fiction writer couldn't even make this stuff up to be believable" I couldn't agree more! :waitasec:

again somehow him bilking an old man went as unnoticed by LE as his drug abuse and kidnapping and raping an 11 year old. great:furious:

[MBK]

Thanks so much for posting this story, my2sisters. The elderly are so vulnerable to predators like this.

Yes, we've wondered how Garrido cared for his family just from his printing business and his mother's soc. security checks . . . .

I wonder just why Antioch Police interviewed this Mr. Medeiros. And whether this visit then entailed a visit to Garrido? or why not?

[MBK]

Dudes! Is this that "guy named Jack" we talked about in another thread? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4196831&postcount=37 (Thanks to LinasK for having posted the story.)

Mike Shelton rented the house next door to the Garridos from a guy named Jack. Phillip’s mother was a retired real estate agent and handled the transaction for Jack. The Sheltons believe that Jack lived on the Garrido property but they cannot say for sure. Phillip’s mother also lived on the property with her son and the Sheltons feel that the mother must have known something about Jaycee and the children.

If so, perhaps "MOM", ie Patricia, is in this up to her earlobes. This is FRAUD, plain and simple. (Idea - - was it Patricia's shaky signature on the checks?)

I am concerned and confused = I would assume that Jack owned the home, that seems a reasonable assumption, given that he rented it out. I would assume he wasn't subleasing, LOL. Thus, what happened to Jack's home? Did Jack sell his home? What happened to the money from that sale?

And that line, "The Sheltons believe that Jack lived on the Garrido property but they cannot say for sure." is chilling. Did Jack ever live there? Did the Garridos tell him they would take care of him?

(If there are any other individuals who have been defrauded by Garrido, I hope that they are able to come forward and are not stalled by shame and embarrassment.)

[MBK]

Okay, so it seems that Jack Medeiros owned the property next door that was searched along with the Garrido property. This is the place where Garrido was caretaker and lived in the shed.

Magdalena Miller, who owns the property next door, said she was "shocked" at the developments at the home she bought from her ex-husband, Delbert "Jack" Medeiros.

Medeiros was forced by a medical condition to move to a nursing home in 2005, and Garrido moved in to act as a caretaker, she said.

"I talked to him on the phone a couple of times," Miller said of Garrido, adding she had no idea he was a registered sex offender. "He said his kids were helping him clean the house."

Jimmy Lee, a spokesman for the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department, said of the property: "We do consider it a crime scene.".

From a New York Post story published August 31; read the rest here:
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:1031289445&start=18

[MBK]

Oops, I am deleting this post, as it was vastly uninformed!

[Tizzle]

Dudes! Is this that "guy named Jack" we talked about in another thread? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4196831&postcount=37 (Thanks to LinasK for having posted the story.)



If so, perhaps "MOM", ie Patricia, is in this up to her earlobes. This is FRAUD, plain and simple. (Idea - - was it Patricia's shaky signature on the checks?)

I am concerned and confused = I would assume that Jack owned the home, that seems a reasonable assumption, given that he rented it out. I would assume he wasn't subleasing, LOL. Thus, what happened to Jack's home? Did Jack sell his home? What happened to the money from that sale?

And that line, "The Sheltons believe that Jack lived on the Garrido property but they cannot say for sure." is chilling. Did Jack ever live there? Did the Garridos tell him they would take care of him?

(If there are any other individuals who have been defrauded by Garrido, I hope that they are able to come forward and are not stalled by shame and embarrassment.)

This was probably more income for the Garridos as I would be surprised if they turned any rent received from the Sheltons over to Jack.
I'm beginning to wonder if Patricia is really suffering from dementia. It could be an act in order to gain the sympathy of LE, to cover her butt. She certainly could have learned how a dementia patient behaves from Mr. Medeiros. LE hasn't been so efficient up and to this point so it probably wouldn't be very hard for her to fool them. If she is a snake like her son, it wouldn't be impossible for her to pull off the "I'm an elderly lady, suffering from dementia. I'm a victim of his brainwashing, too" act.
Or she actually is a victim of Phillip's contolling behavior. He apparently doesn't hold women in the highest regard and I can't help but think that the origin of his hatred revolves around her. Maybe his father was abusive to his mother?
She's an accomplice, for sure, either by a) knowingly enabling her son to commit ALL of these atrocities by participating in the covering of them up for him, or by b) enabling him to commit these atrocities with the Phillip "can do no wrong" attitude that she has apparently carried throughout his life, according to his brother. Phillip obviously has an insatiable appetite for control and I don't know how much his mother would have been spared of or excluded from his tyranny. It's doubtful that she would escape it, especially if she is suffering from some type of guilt from his childhood.

I wonder what it is???

[kbl8201]

This was probably more income for the Garridos as I would be surprised if they turned any rent received from the Sheltons over to Jack.
I'm beginning to wonder if Patricia is really suffering from dementia. It could be an act in order to gain the sympathy of LE, to cover her butt. She certainly could have learned how a dementia patient behaves from Mr. Medeiros. LE hasn't been so efficient up and to this point so it probably wouldn't be very hard for her to fool them. If she is a snake like her son, it wouldn't be impossible for her to pull off the "I'm an elderly lady, suffering from dementia. I'm a victim of his brainwashing, too" act.
Or she actually is a victim of Phillip's contolling behavior. He apparently doesn't hold women in the highest regard and I can't help but think that the origin of his hatred revolves around her. Maybe his father was abusive to his mother?
She's an accomplice, for sure, either by a) knowingly enabling her son to commit ALL of these atrocities by participating in the covering of them up for him, or by b) enabling him to commit these atrocities with the Phillip "can do no wrong" attitude that she has apparently carried throughout his life, according to his brother. Phillip obviously has an insatiable appetite for control and I don't know how much his mother would have been spared of or excluded from his tyranny. It's doubtful that she would escape it, especially if she is suffering from some type of guilt from his childhood.

I wonder what it is???

this is one tangled web isnt it

[Stephens]

@Tizzle: I know it's common for some to believe misogynistic bigots originate their hatred with their mother, but they actually develop these attitudes from men. Boys look to men, not to women, to shape their behavior and mindset (e.g. "How to be a man"). Since Mr. Garrido had his own father to raise him, I'll bet money that Phillip Garrido modeled his own hateful behavior towards women (and girls) from his father. Especially since Phillip Garrido is a batterer. Remember, how violent he was with his first wife and how he wouldn't allow her to leave. I've never heard of a batterer who didn't learn this behavior at home, either from watching their own father or a mother's boyfriend or husband.

Manuel Garrido, the father, has already shown himself to incredibly cold on this Dugard case. Within a few days after the rescue he told reporters he wouldn't be talking to them unless they gave him "moulah" (cash). This is a man who has no qualms about exploiting a tragedy caused by his own son. This is also a man who blames drugs and a random bike accident to explain his son's disturbing violent hatred towards women and girls, instead of holding his son fully accountable for his actions. And then there's his claims of his son's "sex" addiction, when it's clear that his son prefers rape and that it's not impulsive as with an actual addiction, but deliberate. During the '76 attack the victim even told Garrido why don't they just get it over with and have him rape her in the bushes nearby. Garrido rejected that, insisting on driving for hours to Reno, telling her, "You have no choice." As with all rapists, it's never about raw sexual desire, but about controlling and humiliating their victim. If you're a misogynistic bigot, that intolerance and hatred is going to seep into every aspect of your life, especially your sexuality (Think: Garrido being a batterer and exploiting religion to endow himself as a God). The same is true with racists. Slave owners routinely raped black women and girls as an expression of that racist (and misogynistic) hatred. Sexuality just became one way to express that hate. It's just a weapon to them, not the actual cause of their violence.

As for the mother: I agree with your doubts about whether she's truly suffering from dementia. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Tizzle]

@Stephens: ....Which is why I raised the question "Maybe his father was abusive to his mother?" But, thanks for expanding on my thoughts. Exactly where I was going.

I read an article about Patricia where she expresses her regrets about never having daughters & how daughters are better than sons, more than once. Though, I don't know the accuracy of the article, it's still interesting. Any thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/06/phillip-garrido-s-mum-thought-jaycee-was-his-daughter-115875-21650599/

[my2sisters]

Thanks so much for posting this story, my2sisters. The elderly are so vulnerable to predators like this.

Yes, we've wondered how Garrido cared for his family just from his printing business and his mother's soc. security checks . . . .

I wonder just why Antioch Police interviewed this Mr. Medeiros. And whether this visit then entailed a visit to Garrido? or why not?

City of Antioch leaders have been so determined to let the world know that this all happened outside the city limits so how is it they got involved with this... or should I say didn't get involved? It doesn't make sense to me. I would sure like to see the police report.

[my2sisters]

@Stephens: ....Which is why I raised the question "Maybe his father was abusive to his mother?" But, thanks for expanding on my thoughts. Exactly where I was going.

I read an article about Patricia where she expresses her regrets about never having daughters & how daughters are better than sons, more than once. Though, I don't know the accuracy of the article, it's still interesting. Any thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/06/phillip-garrido-s-mum-thought-jaycee-was-his-daughter-115875-21650599/

Thanks for the article, Tizzle, I hadn't read it. It's all so disturbing! How in the world could she have lived there all those years and not known something was amiss? It just doesn't make sense. If Jaycee was coming in her room to help Nancy care for her some days then how did she not notice when Jaycee was pregnant. I don't believe anything from that family. I bet they all have plenty of skeletons in their closets.

[kbl8201]

@Tizzle: I know it's common for some to believe misogynistic bigots originate their hatred with their mother, but they actually develop these attitudes from men. Boys look to men, not to women, to shape their behavior and mindset (e.g. "How to be a man"). Since Mr. Garrido had his own father to raise him, I'll bet money that Phillip Garrido modeled his own hateful behavior towards women (and girls) from his father. Especially since Phillip Garrido is a batterer. Remember, how violent he was with his first wife and how he wouldn't allow her to leave. I've never heard of a batterer who didn't learn this behavior at home, either from watching their own father or a mother's boyfriend or husband.

Manuel Garrido, the father, has already shown himself to incredibly cold on this Dugard case. Within a few days after the rescue he told reporters he wouldn't be talking to them unless they gave him "moulah" (cash). This is a man who has no qualms about exploiting a tragedy caused by his own son. This is also a man who blames drugs and a random bike accident to explain his son's disturbing violent hatred towards women and girls, instead of holding his son fully accountable for his actions. And then there's his claims of his son's "sex" addiction, when it's clear that his son prefers rape and that it's not impulsive as with an actual addiction, but deliberate. During the '76 attack the victim even told Garrido why don't they just get it over with and have him rape her in the bushes nearby. Garrido rejected that, insisting on driving for hours to Reno, telling her, "You have no choice." As with all rapists, it's never about raw sexual desire, but about controlling and humiliating their victim. If you're a misogynistic bigot, that intolerance and hatred is going to seep into every aspect of your life, especially your sexuality (Think: Garrido being a batterer and exploiting religion to endow himself as a God). The same is true with racists. Slave owners routinely raped black women and girls as an expression of that racist (and misogynistic) hatred. Sexuality just became one way to express that hate. It's just a weapon to them, not the actual cause of their violence.

As for the mother: I agree with your doubts about whether she's truly suffering from dementia. We'll just have to wait and see.

im glad you pointed out how outrageous pg's father's comments/actions are. im sorry but you dont become a violent rapist and child rapist cause you hit your head in a motorcyce accident. didnt even know about the money demand to the media. figures.

[kbl8201]

Thanks for the article, Tizzle, I hadn't read it. It's all so disturbing! How in the world could she have lived there all those years and not known something was amiss? It just doesn't make sense. If Jaycee was coming in her room to help Nancy care for her some days then how did she not notice when Jaycee was pregnant. I don't believe anything from that family. I bet they all have plenty of skeletons in their closets.

surely she should have done the math and known that it would be impossible for garrido to be her father (he was in prison in 1979 when she was concieved). unbeievable the gall of these people

[LinasK]

Dudes! Is this that "guy named Jack" we talked about in another thread? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4196831&postcount=37 (Thanks to LinasK for having posted the story.)



If so, perhaps "MOM", ie Patricia, is in this up to her earlobes. This is FRAUD, plain and simple. (Idea - - was it Patricia's shaky signature on the checks?)

I am concerned and confused = I would assume that Jack owned the home, that seems a reasonable assumption, given that he rented it out. I would assume he wasn't subleasing, LOL. Thus, what happened to Jack's home? Did Jack sell his home? What happened to the money from that sale?

And that line, "The Sheltons believe that Jack lived on the Garrido property but they cannot say for sure." is chilling. Did Jack ever live there? Did the Garridos tell him they would take care of him?

(If there are any other individuals who have been defrauded by Garrido, I hope that they are able to come forward and are not stalled by shame and embarrassment.)
Thanks, but actually I wasn't the original poster... The victim in the article's first name is Jack, so I'll bet it is the same guy!

[MBK]

Here's the info from the Contra Costa County Mapping Information Center
About 1540 Walnut Avenue, once the home of Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and now belonging to his ex-wife.

Parcel Details
APN 051072006
Site Address Number 1540
Site Street Name WALNUT
Site Street Suffix AVENUE
Site City ANTIOCH
Site Zip Code 94509
Site Zip Code Extension 7223
Site Description VIERA SUB N 64.47 FT OF LOT 22
Existing Land Use Single Family
Existing Land Use Category Single Family
Assessed Land Value 23,552
Assessed Improvement Value 72,274
Personal Property 0
Property Statement Improvements 0
Lot Size 17,280
Underground Utility N
Deed Reference 5348 646
Transfer Date 9/13/2005
Public Sale Price 0
Total Assessed Value 95,826
Tax Rate Area Information
Tax Rate Area 53026
TRA Region Unincorported Antioch
TRA Description COUNTYWIDE TAX,CC WTR LEVY LAND,BART,EAST BAY REGNL PK,COMM COLL 2002 BND
Parcel Exemption Information
No results returned
Building Information
Year Built 1960
Total Living Area 972
Number of Bedrooms 3
Number of Bathrooms 1
Pool N
Notification Address Information
Owner Address 103 DOGWOOD CT
Owner City and State HERCULES CA
Owner Zip Code 94547
Owner Zip Code Extension 1102

I bolded the transfer date of September 13, 2005 which is when I assume the property was "bought" by his wife. Thus, even if Jack gave his ex-wife a bargain on the house, what happened to that money???

The address at the bottom, 103 Dogwood Ct, Hercules, CA is, I assume, his ex wife Magdalena Miller's address???

[Pink Panther]

"She" (Patricia - Garrido's mother) had a bit of a hand in raising this lunatic? NO??? It doesn't surprise me in the least that she lived there, saw the girls and even while still potentially lucid 18 years ago, did NOTHING. She's incredibly lucky now to be "forgiven" with her mental diagnosis...(despite the fact that she seems to have been driving around until quite recently)...

Um humm...Sure, she thought everything was ok with all the junk in the house, a very weird "daughter-in-law" and a few blond children running around.

Um...hmm...

MOO

[my2sisters]

Here's the info from the Contra Costa County Mapping Information Center
About 1540 Walnut Avenue, once the home of Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and now belonging to his ex-wife.



I bolded the transfer date of September 13, 2005 which is when I assume the property was "bought" by his wife. Thus, even if Jack gave his ex-wife a bargain on the house, what happened to that money???

The address at the bottom, 103 Dogwood Ct, Hercules, CA is, I assume, his ex wife Magdalena Miller's address???

Thanks. According to the Elder Abuse Investigator, Medeiros had $25,000 in his checking account in 2005.

The "family" pictures of Medeiros, PG, NG and Jaycee's daughters really bothered me. Apparently, Jaycee wasn't allowed to go on the trips and I wonder how this was explained to the girls and everyone else.

[JulieNMM]

Where did it talk about family photos?

And he (Jack) went on vacations with the family including the 2 girls? But not JC? I thought the girls had never been anywhere??

And I read somewhere that PG "borrowed" $20K from Jack to take the girls on vacation to SF??? SF is less than an hour away. $20K for a vacation???

[my2sisters]

Where did it talk about family photos?

And he (Jack) went on vacations with the family including the 2 girls? But not JC? I thought the girls had never been anywhere??

And I read somewhere that PG "borrowed" $20K from Jack to take the girls on vacation to SF??? SF is less than an hour away. $20K for a vacation???


All of this is in the video on that page. The article doesn't tell everything but I don't know how to link just to the video, sorry.


BTW, it was $1000, not $20,000, but still that's allot for just going to SF.

[kbl8201]

Where did it talk about family photos?

And he (Jack) went on vacations with the family including the 2 girls? But not JC? I thought the girls had never been anywhere??

And I read somewhere that PG "borrowed" $20K from Jack to take the girls on vacation to SF??? SF is less than an hour away. $20K for a vacation???

seems in terms of him taking jaycee or the girls anywhere he would take the girls more places then jaycee. from what i've heard jaycee was at his buisness place working, and maybe went to the grocery store with nancy. taking her to san fran people in a big city might recognize her

[LinasK]

BTW, it was $1000, not $20,000, but still that's allot for just going to SF.
$1000 for a trip from Antioch to S.F. (1 hr away)????? :banghead::banghead::banghead:Was he planning to stay at the most expensive hotel and dine in the most exclusive restaurants??? :waitasec: I'm lucky if I spend $100 on a trip to S.F.

[kbl8201]

$1000 for a trip from Antioch to S.F. (1 hr away)????? :banghead::banghead::banghead:Was he planning to stay at the most expensive hotel and dine in the most exclusive restaurants??? :waitasec: I'm lucky if I spend $100 on a trip to S.F.

im from massachusetts so i'd probably spend 10 times that to get to san fran lol

[LinasK]

im from massachusetts so i'd probably spend 10 times that to get to san fran lol
Yeah, but for Garrido to travel there, it's a 1 hour drive max!

[kbl8201]

Yeah, but for Garrido to travel there, it's a 1 hour drive max!

he's a conman though. he just suckered someone for more money

[LinasK]

he's a conman though. he just suckered someone for more money
Yes he did. It's just too bad noone from Adult Protective Services was called in because Mr. Medeiros was not in his right mind when he gave Garrido $1000 for a trip to San Francisco, a trip that should have cost no more than $100 max, and that's just the tip of the iceberg that he bilked the old guy for...

[Gigi french]

Isnt Mike Shelton the neighbor who stated the locks on his rented home where reversed? Jack did not move out until 2005? When did the Sheltons move in? Was someone locked in that house recently???

[cindysue]

$1000 for a trip from Antioch to S.F. (1 hr away)????? :banghead::banghead::banghead:Was he planning to stay at the most expensive hotel and dine in the most exclusive restaurants??? :waitasec: I'm lucky if I spend $100 on a trip to S.F.

Hey I think they went to the zoo or something ..i mean that is living it up so ya 1k might cover it :waitasec:

[cindysue]

Isnt Mike Shelton the neighbor who stated the locks on his rented home where reversed? Jack did not move out until 2005? When did the Sheltons move in? Was someone locked in that house recently???

Ya thats the scarey part about the whole neighbors house thing. Who was locked in there? And isnt it considered a crime scene?

[Gigi french]

Ya thats the scarey part about the whole neighbors house thing. Who was locked in there? And isnt it considered a crime scene?

Omg! That is insane. I'm knew to websleuths and thought I had confused some of the info. Thanx!
Is there a thread about this possibility?

[JulieNMM]

Hey I think they went to the zoo or something ..i mean that is living it up so ya 1k might cover it :waitasec:

My husband and I went to SF to see "Wicked" and then had dinner at a VERY expensive restaurant. The tickets were $250 and the dinner was $250 so two of us spent $500 for one evening. So it is possible to spend $1000 in SF when living an hour away.

However, I'm pretty sure PG didn't take the kids to the theater and a fancy shmancy restaurant!!

JULIE

[kbl8201]

My husband and I went to SF to see "Wicked" and then had dinner at a VERY expensive restaurant. The tickets were $250 and the dinner was $250 so two of us spent $500 for one evening. So it is possible to spend $1000 in SF when living an hour away.

However, I'm pretty sure PG didn't take the kids to the theater and a fancy shmancy restaurant!!

JULIE

knowing him they probaby brought tents and camped out in a park :waitasec:

[my2sisters]

Omg! That is insane. I'm knew to websleuths and thought I had confused some of the info. Thanx!
Is there a thread about this possibility?

We talked about this back when LE was searching the property, but not much came of it. I don't think anyone knows much more. In fact, I'm also a bit confused and I'm not completely certain it's the same house.

Hopefully someone can help clear this up???

BTW...Welcome to WS

[LinasK]

My husband and I went to SF to see "Wicked" and then had dinner at a VERY expensive restaurant. The tickets were $250 and the dinner was $250 so two of us spent $500 for one evening. So it is possible to spend $1000 in SF when living an hour away.

However, I'm pretty sure PG didn't take the kids to the theater and a fancy shmancy restaurant!!

JULIE
O.T., you must've had the best seats, we went in April and IIRC, we didn't pay that much...

[MBK]

We talked about this back when LE was searching the property, but not much came of it. I don't think anyone knows much more. In fact, I'm also a bit confused and I'm not completely certain it's the same house.

Hopefully someone can help clear this up???

Yes, it IS the same house - where Garrido was caretaker was where Jack Medeiros lived. Medeiros' ex-wife owns it now, and rents out this property.

Next door to the creepy house of horrors, investigators - bearing rakes, shovels and chainsaws - searched an area where Garrido briefly lived in a shed while working as a caretaker at that property from 2005 to 2006.
By midday, cadaver dogs were also brought to the site. Two bags of evidence were carted away, but it wasn't clear what was inside or which property they were collected from.

Magdalena Miller, who owns the property next door, said she was "shocked" at the developments at the home she bought from her ex-husband, Delbert "Jack" Medeiros.

Medeiros was forced by a medical condition to move to a nursing home in 2005, and Garrido moved in to act as a caretaker, she said.

"I talked to him on the phone a couple of times," Miller said of Garrido, adding she had no idea he was a registered sex offender. "He said his kids were helping him clean the house." BBM

The New York Post, August 31, 2009 Monday
I BELIEVE PSYCHO SON IS A KILLER - SHAME OF JAYCEE FIEND'S FATHER
LACHLAN CARTWRIGHT and EMMETT BERG in Antioch, Calif. nd CATHY BURKE in NY
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:1031289445&start=18

[MBK]

Just watched the vid and would encourage everyone to do so~

I note that when the reporter is talking about the porn site Garrido visited, there is the shot of a screen with sexyporn.com written on it. Hopefully, LE is looking into that site to see if there's anything "evidential".

Also, did you notice how, towards the very end, there's the shot of a Jehovah's Witness bible with what seems to be a coloring page with a picture of cats, and Jack written in the lower right. Wonder if that was something one of Jaycee's daughters gave him?

No matter what PG's horrific intentions were towards Mr. Medeiros, Jaycee's daughters may have been genuinely fond of him, in that he may have been a grandfather figure to them. This is such a sad story.

[my2sisters]

Just watched the vid and would encourage everyone to do so~

I note that when the reporter is talking about the porn site Garrido visited, there is the shot of a screen with sexyporn.com written on it. Hopefully, LE is looking into that site to see if there's anything "evidential".

Also, did you notice how, towards the very end, there's the shot of a Jehovah's Witness bible with what seems to be a coloring page with a picture of cats, and Jack written in the lower right. Wonder if that was something one of Jaycee's daughters gave him?

No matter what PG's horrific intentions were towards Mr. Medeiros, Jaycee's daughters may have been genuinely fond of him, in that he may have been a grandfather figure to them. This is such a sad story.

I think I should have been more encouraging about watching the video when I posted the link. I assumed the "WOW!" would do it. The whole thing just blew me away and I was surprised it didn't get more attention.

Yes, I did notice the "Bible" and the coloring book page. I tried to get a copy of the pictures of PG, NG and the girls, but I couldn't capture them. It made me sick to my stomach. There are many details in that video and I think the reporter could have been making several things public for those of us that are "digging" deeper into these horrific events.

[my2sisters]

Does anyone know how to post the video to this thread? Thanks

[anthroamy]

Just de-lurking to post the pictures for you :)

[my2sisters]

Wow, thanks Anthroamy! Do you know how to post the video here?

[Tizzle]

I think I should have been more encouraging about watching the video when I posted the link. I assumed the "WOW!" would do it. The whole thing just blew me away and I was surprised it didn't get more attention.

Yes, I did notice the "Bible" and the coloring book page. I tried to get a copy of the pictures of PG, NG and the girls, but I couldn't capture them. It made me sick to my stomach. There are many details in that video and I think the reporter could have been making several things public for those of us that are "digging" deeper into these horrific events.

LOL, your "WOW!" caught my attention when you posted it.

[anthroamy]

Wow, thanks Anthroamy! Do you know how to post the video here?

You're welcome! And no, not off the top of my head, but I'll play around with it later and see if I can do anything.

[my2sisters]

I find it curious that the Elder Abuse Investigator turned the forged checks, written to Garrido, over to the Antioch Police Department. Antioch officials have been very outspoken about the fact Garrido's crime was NOT committed in the City of Antioch, it was in an unincorporated area of Contra Costa County. I wonder why the Sheriff's Department didn't get involved??? Another ball dropped, perhaps?

[kbl8201]

I find it curious that the Elder Abuse Investigator turned the forged checks, written to Garrido, over to the Antioch Police Department. Antioch officials have been very outspoken about the fact Garrido's crime was NOT committed in the City of Antioch, it was in an unincorporated area of Contra Costa County. I wonder why the Sheriff's Department didn't get involved??? Another ball dropped, perhaps?

i guess theres not a lot o dunkin donoughts in that are......ok that's a bad stereotype.lol seriously though what is up with all the incompetence of law enforcement in this case

[Natal]

Just de-lurking to post the pictures for you :)

I bet that blonde woman on the left in the first picture is Jaycee. She appears to be wearing ski pants, a white sweater and red gloves, and is holding her fist out forward in thumbs up pose. Is that Lake Tahoe? they seem pretty bundled up, its cold where ever it is. The daughters have dirty-blonde hair, Jaycee has lighter hair, and that woman seems blonder than the girls in all the other pictures we have seen (pics 2 and 3, and the "Molino party" pics). She is also significantly taller than Nancy, who is slightly shorter than the oldest daughter. The second and third pictures were taken on the same day at some other location, they are wearing the same sweaters. Someone had to have taken the pictures, the third one was taken by a sixth person (possibly a stranger since the older girl took the second picture, which looks like a hotel room). The "winter" picture may have been taken by the older daughter. You can't see the hair of the small female in the blue and purple shell/ski jacket, it looks like she is wearing a touque, but I'm guessing its the youngest girl.

Interesting snippets of info though, they look pretty damned normal to me in those photos.

[my2sisters]

I bet that blonde woman on the left in the first picture is Jaycee. She appears to be wearing ski pants, a white sweater and red gloves, and is holding her fist out forward in thumbs up pose. Is that Lake Tahoe? they seem pretty bundled up, its cold where ever it is. The daughters have dirty-blonde hair, Jaycee has lighter hair, and that woman seems blonder than the girls in all the other pictures we have seen (pics 2 and 3, and the "Molino party" pics). She is also significantly taller than Nancy, who is slightly shorter than the oldest daughter. The second and third pictures were taken on the same day at some other location, they are wearing the same sweaters. Someone had to have taken the pictures, the third one was taken by a sixth person (possibly a stranger since the older girl took the second picture, which looks like a hotel room). The "winter" picture may have been taken by the older daughter. You can't see the hair of the small female in the blue and purple shell/ski jacket, it looks like she is wearing a touque, but I'm guessing its the youngest girl.

Interesting snippets of info though, they look pretty damned normal to me in those photos.

The first picture was taken at the SF pier. I can see white caps on the water so it would have been quite windy and cold. The SF wind and the high fog would be reason for their heavy outerwear.

Notice that the older girl doesn't have on a coat. Her top is tucked in and she is obviously wanting to look good (and she does).

[anthroamy]

The first picture was taken at the SF pier. I can see white caps on the water so it would have been quite windy and cold. The SF wind and the high fog would be reason for their heavy outerwear.

Notice that the older girl doesn't have on a coat. Her top is tucked in and she is obviously wanting to look good (and she does).

Yeah, I live in the Bay Area, too, and I believe it is the pier. The older girl is wearing the same outfit in the 3rd picture (she just doesn't have her coat tied around her waist like in the first), and the elderly gentleman looks like he's wearing the same outfit in all 3 pics. I think the first picture just looks different because they are all bundled up since they are outside.

[my2sisters]

I think you're right, Natal, I think it is Jaycee. The girl/woman in the picture is very tall, taller than the girls at the party and the difference in the height between the two girls is too much for it to be the oldest daughter.

I'm not sure I feel good about these pictures being here. What do you guys think?

[anthroamy]

I think you're right, Natal, I think it is Jaycee. The girl/woman in the picture is very tall, taller than the girls at the party and the difference in the height between the two girls is too much for it to be the oldest daughter.

I'm not sure I feel good about these pictures being here. What do you guys think?

She is rather tall, but if it is the oldest daughter then she may have already had her adolescent growth spurt at that point and by now (when the more recent pictures were taken) her younger sister has done the same and almost caught up with her. The taller girl in these 3 pictures looks to me like she has curly reddish-blonde hair, which matches the recent pictures we've seen of the oldest daughter. In the video they even specified that Jaycee's two girls went on these trips. Just my opinion though :crazy:

[my2sisters]

She is rather tall, but if it is the oldest daughter then she may have already had her adolescent growth spurt at that point and by now (when the more recent pictures were taken) her younger sister has done the same and almost caught up with her. The taller girl in these 3 pictures looks to me like she has curly reddish-blonde hair, which matches the recent pictures we've seen of the oldest daughter. In the video they even specified that Jaycee's two girls went on these trips. Just my opinion though :crazy:

It would make more sense that it would be the two daughters. I don't know how to say this, but uhhh, look at her boobs (sorry). In the birthday pictures the girls were obviously thin(ish) and not that developed as I recall, yes?

To me, her hair looks light blonde, not golden like the girls at the party.

[my2sisters]

She is rather tall, but if it is the oldest daughter then she may have already had her adolescent growth spurt at that point and by now (when the more recent pictures were taken) her younger sister has done the same and almost caught up with her. The taller girl in these 3 pictures looks to me like she has curly reddish-blonde hair, which matches the recent pictures we've seen of the oldest daughter. In the video they even specified that Jaycee's two girls went on these trips. Just my opinion though :crazy:

The birthday pictures would probably be the most recent. They were taken in August and these were taken in the winter, so that theory won't work.:waitasec:

[Natal]

Btw, if you use Realplayer as your explorer video you can download the clip to your harddrive. The downloaded version is a larger display than that on the webpage.

Trying to figure out what sort of pants she is wearing, they are riding very high, its a good 4-6 inches above her waistline it seems. Maybe she has a jacket tied around her waist, and it just isn't clearly defined in the picture? The sweater could be the same as in picture 3, but the neckline is much higher. She is looking pretty confident, whoever it is. The older girl in picture three is holding a piece of paper forward it seems. The young girl looks much less confident in all of the pictures.

[anthroamy]

The birthday pictures would probably be the most recent. They were taken in August and these were taken in the winter, so that theory won't work.:waitasec:

Sorry, I meant in my previous post that the birthday party pictures were the most recent (That's what I get for multi-tasking!). Since Garrido was friends with this guy for a few years it sounds like, I thought that these 3 pics in SF could be a couple (or more) years old, maybe? And if I'm recalling the birthday party pics correctly I think the older daughter did look a bit physically mature, like this girl does.

So what I'm saying is that these 3 SF pictures were made, then the youngest daughter has a growth spurt, catches up nearly to her big sister's height, then the more recent birthday pictures were made. It's not unusual for young girls to grow quite a bit in just a few years at that age. Just a theory :)

Anyway, if you guys think the pictures should be removed just say so and I'll edit the post.

[Natal]

To me, her hair looks light blonde, not golden like the girls at the party.

That is what I was thinking, in the party pictures their hair color is very similiar, but in these pictures the tall girl in pic 1 has much lighter hair than the young girl in pics 2 and3. Maybe its just a lighting thing.

[Natal]

Anyway, if you guys think the pictures should be removed just say so and I'll edit the post.

Not really necessary, their faces are completely pixelated out.

[kbl8201]

I bet that blonde woman on the left in the first picture is Jaycee. She appears to be wearing ski pants, a white sweater and red gloves, and is holding her fist out forward in thumbs up pose. Is that Lake Tahoe? they seem pretty bundled up, its cold where ever it is. The daughters have dirty-blonde hair, Jaycee has lighter hair, and that woman seems blonder than the girls in all the other pictures we have seen (pics 2 and 3, and the "Molino party" pics). She is also significantly taller than Nancy, who is slightly shorter than the oldest daughter. The second and third pictures were taken on the same day at some other location, they are wearing the same sweaters. Someone had to have taken the pictures, the third one was taken by a sixth person (possibly a stranger since the older girl took the second picture, which looks like a hotel room). The "winter" picture may have been taken by the older daughter. You can't see the hair of the small female in the blue and purple shell/ski jacket, it looks like she is wearing a touque, but I'm guessing its the youngest girl.
Interesting snippets of info though, they look pretty damned normal to me in those photos.

maybe jaycee is taking the photo causei think this is garrido, nancy, patricia, starlet and angel

[my2sisters]

Trying to figure out what sort of pants she is wearing, they are riding very high, its a good 4-6 inches above her waistline it seems. Maybe she has a jacket tied around her waist, and it just isn't clearly defined in the picture? The sweater could be the same as in picture 3, but the neckline is much higher. She is looking pretty confident, whoever it is. The older girl in picture three is holding a piece of paper forward it seems. The young girl looks much less confident in all of the pictures.

Yes, that's what I noticed, looking good and knowing it.

They do look normal but what a family secret!

[anthroamy]

That is what I was thinking, in the party pictures their hair color is very similiar, but in these pictures the tall girl in pic 1 has much lighter hair than the young girl in pics 2 and3. Maybe its just a lighting thing.

That's true, plus her hair is pulled back, making it harder to see, and the pictures look like they may have yellowed a little bit.

Trying to figure this out, I looked up an article I remember reading a few weeks ago. In it Jaycee's step-grandmother says that she was told that Garrido would take the girls out to eat and to SF sometimes, but that Jaycee was never taken along.

Here is the link. (http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_13231039)

Like another poster said, I have wondered who was taking the pictures and if it was Jaycee.

[kbl8201]

That's true, plus her hair is pulled back, making it harder to see, and the pictures look like they may have yellowed a little bit.

Trying to figure this out, I looked up an article I remember reading a few weeks ago. In it Jaycee's step-grandmother says that she was told that Garrido would take the girls out to eat and to SF sometimes, but that Jaycee was never taken along.

Here is the link. (http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_13231039)

Like another poster said, I have wondered who was taking the pictures and if it was Jaycee.

so its possibly a stranger taking the pic.
if he didnt take jaycee with him what did he do with her? leave her in charge of the buisness? or lock her in the shed again?

[my2sisters]

That's true, plus her hair is pulled back, making it harder to see, and the pictures look like they may have yellowed a little bit.

Trying to figure this out, I looked up an article I remember reading a few weeks ago. In it Jaycee's step-grandmother says that she was told that Garrido would take the girls out to eat and to SF sometimes, but that Jaycee was never taken along.

Here is the link. (http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_13231039)

Like another poster said, I have wondered who was taking the pictures and if it was Jaycee.

Yeah, I remember that now. Also, I just listened to the video again and Jack states that it's PG's "2 daughters".

I wonder if he ever met Jaycee and why he said "2 daughters". Maybe because they were the only ones that went on trips with them.

Jack says he really felt like they were family. You can tell that he's hurting and it makes me sad.

[kbl8201]

Yeah, I remember that now. Also, I just listened to the video again and Jack states that it's PG's "2 daughters".

I wonder if he ever met Jaycee and why he said "2 daughters". Maybe because they were the only ones that went on trips with them.

Jack says he really felt like they were family. You can tell that he's hurting and it makes me sad.

im noticing a trend of peope thinking they looked like a real family ect all.
i think it blinding them to the reality of how sick this really was :(

[my2sisters]

im noticing a trend of peope thinking they looked like a real family ect all.
i think it blinding them to the reality of how sick this really was :(

To me, that makes it even more sick and I didn't think that was possible!

[kbl8201]

To me, that makes it even more sick and I didn't think that was possible!

im afraid this is gonna get sicker before it's over. who knows what this freak will do at a triail

[JusticeForVictims]

I'm thinking & hoping there will not be a trial. Jaycee's lawyer will work hard at keeping it out of court. To save her from reliving the sordid details in court.
Writing a book would let her be in control of timing and contents.

I was surprised the news media published the family photos (even with the face blurred). Just a few days after Jaycee's lawyer stated Terry is requesting security and privacy for Jaycee and her daughters. They have a right to protect the identity of the Family.

I think it is terrible that P&N got away with stealing their friends money. I do recall him saying the daughters went with him on the trip. He also stated it was the first time He gave Gariddo money ($1000.).
PG probably stold a bunch of cheques at that time.
P&N most likely practiced the friends signature and the rest was easy for them.

If the trip was only an hour drive, PG might have returned that night.
Jaycee was never going to run away without her girls or do anything to anger him.
I hope she was not locked up in recent years, when then were on outings.

I also wonder how long this man has been ill with dementia? I'm thinking if he was a long term neighbour & close enough to feel like Family with them. Did He watch them grow up? Then it is likely that He was aware of Jaycee being their Mother and having to live in the back yard.

I'm curious if the bedroom door locks of his house were reversed after he was sent to a nursing home in 2005 by PG. Or if it was done years before while He lived their as a Healthy person and was he a close friend of & involved with PG?
I hope not because I felt sympathy for his situation in the video.

[kbl8201]

I'm thinking & hoping there will not be a trial. Jaycee's lawyer will work hard at keeping it out of court. To save her from reliving the sordid details in court.
Writing a book would let her be in control of timing and contents.

I was surprised the news media published the family photos (even with the face blurred). Just a few days after Jaycee's lawyer stated Terry is requesting security and privacy for Jaycee and her daughters. They have a right to protect the identity of the Family.

I think it is terrible that P&N got away with stealing their friends money. I do recall him saying the daughters went with him on the trip. He also stated it was the first time He gave Gariddo money ($1000.).
PG probably stold a bunch of cheques at that time.
P&N most likely practiced the friends signature and the rest was easy for them.

If the trip was only an hour drive, PG might have returned that night.
Jaycee was never going to run away without her girls or do anything to anger him.
I hope she was not locked up in recent years, when then were on outings.

I also wonder how long this man has been ill with dementia? I'm thinking if he was a long term neighbour & close enough to feel like Family with them. Did He watch them grow up? Then it is likely that He was aware of Jaycee being their Mother and having to live in the back yard.

I'm curious if the bedroom door locks of his house were reversed after he was sent to a nursing home in 2005 by PG. Or if it was done years before while He lived their as a Healthy person and was he a close friend of & involved with PG?
I hope not because I felt sympathy for his situation in the video.

well they've got garrido for life anyways. but nancy is gonna get a deal and i dont want her to. she's just as guilty as he is.
i'll be in line real fast if jaycee writes a book!
i dont get why these photos are coming out or who leaked these latest ones. maybe i missed it earlier in the thread/

[MBK]

Interesting snippets of info though, they look pretty damned normal to me in those photos.

Yeah, you'd never know that "Mom and Dad" were ripping off "Gramps" of his savings, forging checks and spending the money on porn!!! (Or, maybe that's just the NORMAL American family?)

[meep meep]

It would make more sense that it would be the two daughters. I don't know how to say this, but uhhh, look at her boobs (sorry). In the birthday pictures the girls were obviously thin(ish) and not that developed as I recall, yes?

To me, her hair looks light blonde, not golden like the girls at the party.

Was there more than one shot from Cheyvonne Molino's party? The only one I recall seeing was from the back and I don't recall noticing much about adolescent growth, but at 15, you would expect her to look like a woman... wouldn't she? (I know I did at that age)

[MBK]

I would LOVE to have an expert in body language look at those photographs.

Okay, so Jaycee told a customer(s) that they didn't have a digital camera.

So, these photographs were ostensibly taken with a film camera.

Whose? And what other photos exist. . . I am just wondering if it was rare for the girls to have their photos taken.

IMO, in the photo where Garrido has his arm around the littlest daughter, she is standing very stiffly. Just nervous around strangers (the person taking the photo) and being out in public, or . .. what . . .

And the older daughter does seem more confident. This is interesting, as it was noted by Cheyvonne Molino (not the best judge of anything, IMO) that the YOUNGEST daughter was more outgoing, the older clingy. When were the above photos taken - last winter?

[kbl8201]

I would LOVE to have an expert in body language look at those photographs.

Okay, so Jaycee told a customer(s) that they didn't have a digital camera.

So, these photographs were ostensibly taken with a film camera.

Whose? And what other photos exist. . . I am just wondering if it was rare for the girls to have their photos taken.

IMO, in the photo where Garrido has his arm around the littlest daughter, she is standing very stiffly. Just nervous around strangers (the person taking the photo) and being out in public, or . .. what . . .

And the older daughter does seem more confident. This is interesting, as it was noted by Cheyvonne Molino (not the best judge of anything, IMO) that the YOUNGEST daughter was more outgoing, the older clingy. When were the above photos taken - last winter?

dont exactly look like robots or in a trance either. (backing up want aunt tina has described). this increases my thoughts that they were 'acting" at berkley. why? did garrido really want to get caught that bad? or did jaycee set up her own rescue by coaching the girls? remember the older sister gave the younger one the evil eye when she told the officers of the 28 year old sister at home.

[Stephens]

@Tizzle: I know this is way late (it's from the first page of this thread), but I did know you considered both parents' influence in Garrido's behavior. I just wanted to dismiss the "mother" angle to focus on the father. Perhaps I could have been clearer to avoid any confusion that I thought you hadn't considered the father.

@kbl8201: I don't think the Dugard girls were "acting" at Berkeley. All people, especially children, tend to behave differently when they're amongst a circle of loved ones--people they trust--versus when they're amongst strangers. Perhaps Garrido has filled their heads with so much fear of the outside world that they were just a bit shocked and frightened in general. Garrido himself said he was "socializing" them as if they were dogs that needed behavior adjustment. Also remember that they're not used to women being in charge, let alone their father having to answer to a woman. That perhaps was an additional factor.

Lastly, the older sister simply corrected the younger one because she made a mistake on the age (She mistakenly said their "sister" was 28, when, in fact, she's 29). That's all.

[kbl8201]

@Tizzle: I know this is way late (it's from the first page of this thread), but I did know you considered both parents' influence in Garrido's behavior. I just wanted to dismiss the "mother" angle to focus on the father. Perhaps I could have been clearer to avoid any confusion that I thought you hadn't considered the father.

@kbl8201: I don't think the Dugard girls were "acting" at Berkeley. All people, especially children, tend to behave differently when they're amongst a circle of loved ones--people they trust--versus when they're amongst strangers. Perhaps Garrido has filled their heads with so much fear of the outside world that they were just a bit shocked and frightened in general. Garrido himself said he was "socializing" them as if they were dogs that needed behavior adjustment. Also remember that they're not used to women being in charge, let alone their father having to answer to a woman. That perhaps was an additional factor.

Lastly, the older sister simply corrected the younger one because she made a mistake on the age (She mistakenly said their "sister" was 28, when, in fact, she's 29). That's all.

my point is they were out in san fran and outgoing and yet here at berkley there clingy and robotic. its an anamoly to me

[my2sisters]

Was there more than one shot from Cheyvonne Molino's party? The only one I recall seeing was from the back and I don't recall noticing much about adolescent growth, but at 15, you would expect her to look like a woman... wouldn't she? (I know I did at that age)

Post #43 has 3 pictures that were recently taken from the video in the first post.

[JusticeForVictims]

9-29-2009, 06:21 PM
my2sisters
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009
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Elderly Man Broke After Friendship With Garrido

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Elderly Man Broke After Friendship With Garrido

http://cbs5.com/local/phillip.garrido.neighbor.2.1216808.html


This is a link to the news story about Mr Delbert (jack) Medeiros. If you go to the video section right side of article and select Medeiros. He is interviewed at his elderly home and tells about the trip with his Gariddo (extended Family) and how he first gave PG money for this trip and then lost it all to them over several years. The reporter got these recent Family photos from Mr Medeiro and he is in the wheel chair. I don't know how to copy the video link here. I think if this is the only outing they took together then these photos were taken a few years back.

I'm thinking the older Sister gave a look to her younger Sister to warn her not to speak to strangers out of turn as this could make Daddy the Almightly Leader angry.

[kbl8201]

roflmao at "daddy the almighty leader" thats a keeper ;)

[my2sisters]

Yeah, I live in the Bay Area, too, and I believe it is the pier. The older girl is wearing the same outfit in the 3rd picture (she just doesn't have her coat tied around her waist like in the first), and the elderly gentleman looks like he's wearing the same outfit in all 3 pics. I think the first picture just looks different because they are all bundled up since they are outside.

Yes, I can see the coat tied around her waist in this picture.

[COLOR="Blue"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jw9p2mzmm8[/COLO"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Stephens]

@kbl8201: Weren't they either with the Garridos or with that elderly man in San Francisco? Plus, being in front of "police" (campus police; events coordinator) is different than just being out and about with your family.

[Stephens]

Oops, I didn't mean to include the "elderly man" in that sentence.

[kbl8201]

@kbl8201: Weren't they either with the Garridos or with that elderly man in San Francisco? Plus, being in front of "police" (campus police; events coordinator) is different than just being out and about with your family.

granted im not a mind control expert (thank god). im just throwing possibilities out there. this is a very unusual case and it seems we might find out anything at this point............

[songline]

Dudes! Is this that "guy named Jack" we talked about in another thread? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4196831&postcount=37 (Thanks to LinasK for having posted the story.)



If so, perhaps "MOM", ie Patricia, is in this up to her earlobes. This is FRAUD, plain and simple. (Idea - - was it Patricia's shaky signature on the checks?)

I am concerned and confused = I would assume that Jack owned the home, that seems a reasonable assumption, given that he rented it out. I would assume he wasn't subleasing, LOL. Thus, what happened to Jack's home? Did Jack sell his home? What happened to the money from that sale?

And that line, "The Sheltons believe that Jack lived on the Garrido property but they cannot say for sure." is chilling. Did Jack ever live there? Did the Garridos tell him they would take care of him?

(If there are any other individuals who have been defrauded by Garrido, I hope that they are able to come forward and are not stalled by shame and embarrassment.)
I think I read this story some time ago; (cant open this link, on the beach with a make shift computer).
I assume that it is next door, PG did take care of the old man and had ripped him off to the tune of about 20K; at some point PG got the house - same house where it can only be locked from the outside. Later PG rented that house to the guy who had a girlfriend who did call the police in 2006.
I guess that is the link here that I can not open. ?
This case adds more to his jail time. But the house is considered a crime scene.

[Tizzle]

@Stephens:
So you're saying that you think his mother had no influence whatsoever in his personality defects? And, if so, why?

[Tizzle]

I think I read this story some time ago; (cant open this link, on the beach with a make shift computer).
I assume that it is next door, PG did take care of the old man and had ripped him off to the tune of about 20K; at some point PG got the house - same house where it can only be locked from the outside. Later PG rented that house to the guy who had a girlfriend who did call the police in 2006.
I guess that is the link here that I can not open. ?

Yes, the Shelton's lived in this house in the late 90's. They rented it from Jack, but Patricia, PG's mother, did the real estate transaction. However, PG never "got" the house, he was simply the caretaker. Jack owned the house until 2005 when his ex wife, Magdalena, bought it from him. It was she that rented this house to the guy and his girlfriend that called in LE in 06.
The link to the Shelton's story is no longer available, to my knowlegde.

[songline]

Yes, the Shelton's lived in this house in the late 90's. They rented it from Jack, but Patricia, PG's mother, did the real estate transaction. However, PG never "got" the house, he was simply the caretaker. Jack owned the house until 2005 when his ex wife, Magdalena, bought it from him. It was she that rented this house to the guy and his girlfriend that called in LE in 06.
The link to the Shelton's story is no longer available, to my knowlegde.
Thank you...
PG did rip the man off and I can see additional jail time. :)
WHO owns it now? (Jack's ex still own it)

[Tizzle]

Thank you...
PG did rip the man off and I can see additional jail time. :)
WHO owns it now? (Jack's ex still own it)

According to his ex, yes, she still owns it.

Additional time, I'm sure, won't be necessary here. It better not be necessary! But if it takes additional charges on top of the already 29 to put this filth out of the light of day for the rest of his natural life, I'm all about it. Apparently, rape and kidnapping weren't enough to rid us of this animal the first time.:waitasec:

[songline]

According to his ex, yes, she still owns it.

Additional time, I'm sure, won't be necessary here. It better not be necessary! But if it takes additional charges on top of the already 29 to put this filth out of the light of day for the rest of his natural life, I'm all about it. Apparently, rape and kidnapping weren't enough to rid us of this animal the first time.:waitasec:

Whatever it takes to take him out.
We are in economic problems, I hope he gets to meet JC's bio dad who wants to Kill the SOB. (I am ready to help but I wont step on a fly).

Hope they find the 6&7 year olds still missing and seen with him about 6 months ago (at his hair cut place).

Room and boaoard + education for life in jail. :furious: to much money...

[Tizzle]

Am I the only one that has mixed feelings towards Jack? What PG did to this lonely and helpless elderly man was despicable, detestable and dirty. This story just gets more and more sad. "heartwarming"? HEARTBREAKING! I don't see how any part of the story that involves Puke Garrido could ever be "heartwarming". (i think he ruined that word for me, btw) The aftermath, hopefully, we will see heartwarming. We pray. But I can't keep myself from wondering if Jack received money for the latest photos released by the media of the girls. Common sense tells me yes and probably more than the 25k he was robbed of. That makes me feel less sympathetic for Jack, as I would with anyone that tried to exploit this woman and her children any further. But then I think about how he can't even buy shaving cream and how desperate he must feel, probably angry, too. I believe he was heartbroken by this, and he claims he was very close to them and thought of them as his family. I'm just having a hard time understanding how someone who claims to love them could jeopardize their well-being by exposing them in such a way. Many feared that KS/bio dad would do this very thing.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose. He does have a ton of medical expenses, I'm sure. I'm sorry if this post offends anyone. I've been thinkin this over in my head for a few days and couldn't hold my thoughts back anymore.

[my2sisters]

The photos weren't given to the media. When the local reporter was at Jack's house he showed him the pictures and the cameraman zoomed in on them. They were captured here on WS so we could see them better. I had mixed feelings about us doing that and not sure if they should stay up but it's probably to late now though.

[Tizzle]

The photos weren't given to the media. When the local reporter was at Jack's house he showed him the pictures and the cameraman zoomed in on them. They were captured here on WS so we could see them better. I had mixed feelings about us doing that and not sure if they should stay up but it's probably to late now though.

Thanks, I guess I didn't think about the possibility of the photog stealing them. Even worse.

[JusticeForVictims]

Tizzle - Am I the only one that has mixed emotions towards Jack? What PG did to this lonely and helpless elderly man was despicable, detestable and dirty. This story just gets more and more sad. "heartwarming"? HEARTBREAKING! I don't see how any part of the story that involves Puke Garrido could ever be "heartwarming". (i think he ruined that word for me, btw) The aftermath, hopefully, we will see heartwarming. We pray. But I can't keep myself from wondering if Jack received money for the latest photos released by the media of the girls. Common sense tells me yes and probably more than the 25k he was robbed of. That makes me feel less sympathetic for Jack, as I would with anyone that tried to exploit this woman and her children any further. But then I think about how he can't even buy shaving cream and how desperate he must feel, probably angry, too. I believe he was heartbroken by this, and he claims he was very close to them and thought of them as his family. I'm just having a hard time understanding how someone who claims to love them could jeopardize their well-being by exposing them in such a way. I'm sorry if this post offends anyone. I've been thinkin this over in my head for a few days and couldn't hold my thoughts back anymore.
(Don't fret: I'm sure He receives pension,VA and can now buy things).

Tizzle - I have sadly been wondering this also.
I am very curious of how long Phillip & Jack were friends.
Reports say the Shelton's rented Jacks Medieros house 1996-1998.
I assume Jack moved in 1998 until he lost his leg and was transfered to the elderly home in 2005? It is reported Jack has early symptoms of dementia. (Patricia Garido 6 years of dementia- so they say).
(Most of the 18 years captivity- these 2 elderly did not have dementia.)
His wife then bought the house and PG cleaned it up (took everything?) and lived in it or in the shed until she rented it out again in 2006. This gave Jack plenty of time to see the girls grow up and be witness to many lurid things. As he stated He got to visit with them often. I'm just curious how many of the close neighbours are on the sex registry list? The media said over 140 registered in that area? I have not heard if any were right next door though?

My2Sisters. I also agree with you. I have mixed feelings. After I watched the video onCBS5 of Jack Medeiros. I thought He gave the reporter the Family photos of their outing. Just as bad of them zooming in on it.
Either way it is very sleazy of the reporter to publish them during the video interview.
So many stations are reportiing as bad as the national enquirer paper.


Thank-you: kbl8201-roflmao at "daddy the almighty leader" thats a keeper.
I noticed my spelling error after.

I also think Patricia Garrido is "Granny Dearest" as she always wanted girls and her Son provided them to her fulfilling her desires. and he provided Nancy "Mommy dearest" with daughters satisfying her desires. They all were all about themselves and did not care who they destroyed taking what they wanted. I do hope PG, Nancy and Pat were kind to the girls & no physical abuse.
But they all new exactly what the truth was. I'm sure she assisted Nancy with the births. I think all three of the Gariddos will rot in HELL..

I hope - really hope- I am proven wrong about all the people I've just bashed.
But until then I am very skeptical of everyone who associated long term with the Monster's.

[joga]

I would LOVE to have an expert in body language look at those photographs.

Okay, so Jaycee told a customer(s) that they didn't have a digital camera.

So, these photographs were ostensibly taken with a film camera.

Whose? And what other photos exist. . . I am just wondering if it was rare for the girls to have their photos taken.

IMO, in the photo where Garrido has his arm around the littlest daughter, she is standing very stiffly. Just nervous around strangers (the person taking the photo) and being out in public, or . .. what . . .

And the older daughter does seem more confident. This is interesting, as it was noted by Cheyvonne Molino (not the best judge of anything, IMO) that the YOUNGEST daughter was more outgoing, the older clingy. When were the above photos taken - last winter?

i thought the exact same thing about the younger daughter when i saw these. the way he lords over her in the photos is disgusting and i would think that, the third shot especially, was creepy even if i didn't know about Jaycee's situation and just saw it at random.

i feel sorry for the man in the video. i think that PG is just the worst kind of person all around. everytime i read something new, i just get more angry!

[JusticeForVictims]

I got the same creepy feeling from PG towering over the child.
This vacation to SF might have just been a days outing.
The camera might have been a digital and PG might have taken it.
She may have been told by PG to tell clients that they don't have a digital camera.
So they would not have to bother taking client photos.
It is easier & cheaper for the printing business to get the customer to email a
JPEG photo to be put on cards/flyers.

I'm watching dateline right now covering Jaycee's heartbreaking story.

[Tizzle]

Tizzle - I have sadly been wondering this also.
I am very curious of how long Phillip & Jack were friends.
Reports say the Shelton's rented Jacks Medieros house 1996-1998.
I assume Jack moved in 1998 until he lost his leg and was transfered to the elderly home in 2005? It is reported Jack has early symptoms of dementia. (Patricia Garido 6 years of dementia- so they say).
(Most of the 18 years captivity- these 2 elderly did not have dementia.)
His wife then bought the house and PG cleaned it up (took everything?) and lived in it or in the shed until she rented it out again in 2006. This gave Jack plenty of time to see the girls grow up and be witness to many lurid things. As he stated He got to visit with them often. I'm just curious how many of the close neighbours are on the sex registry list? The media said over 140 registered in that area? I have not heard if any were right next door though?

BBM
Shelton stated in the article that he thought Jack lived at the Garrido residence while they were living at Jack's in the late 90's. Which would also give Jack more than enough opportunity to witness SOMETHING, no? I'm not sure who lived in Jack's house between the Shelton's living there and 05. Anyone looked into Jack's background?

I also think Patricia Garrido is "Granny Dearest" as she always wanted girls and her Son provided them to her fulfilling her desires. and he provided Nancy "Mommy dearest" with daughters satisfying her desires. They all were all about themselves and did not care who they destroyed taking what they wanted. I do hope PG, Nancy and Pat were kind to the girls & no physical abuse.
But they all new exactly what the truth was. I'm sure she assisted Nancy with the births. I think all three of the Gariddos will rot in HELL..

I hope - really hope- I am proven wrong about all the people I've just bashed.
But until then I am very skeptical of everyone who associated long term with the Monster's.

I found this interesting, too. She, apparently, had a strong desire for girls of her own. Maybe he was fullfilling her desires or torturing her with her own desires... Either way, she had to know what he was up to.

This whole tale is so twisted. I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only one who is skeptical. Thanks JFV.

[Tizzle]

I got the same creepy feeling from the xxxxtowering over the child.
This vacation to SF might have just been a days outing.
The camera might have been a digital or not and it might have been taken from
Mr. Medeiros.
She may have been told by PG to tell clients that they don't have a digital camera. So they would not have to bother taking client photos.
It is easier & cheaper for the printing business to get the customer to email a
JPEG photo to be put on cards/flyers.

BBM
Please don't refer to this filth as Lord Almighty, ever again PLEASE. I know he is in his own head, but, not even close. I'm not being mean or anything, it just makes my tummy hurt when I see it. LOL Seriously, though. Thanks:angel:

No worries, JFV. I know you were being sarcastic. I'm glad you understand. Thanks!

[JusticeForVictims]

Re Post #96.
Tizzle- I edited and removed my sarcastic comment, but my edit did not change the quote in your post#96.
Can you please delete the words and then we won't need to see it again.
I'm sincerely sorry I made you feel worse.

[SunnieRN]

If Jack lived in the house around the end of the 90's he most certainly saw a pregnant Jaycee at least one time. I do feel for the gentleman, but something may be rotten in Denmark in my book. I again will state that dimentia that is today in "early stages" would not have clouded his judgement in the late 90's. Exact same thing with Patricia. Great defense though.:banghead:

One other thing. Do they know which computer was used to access the porn site daily in 2008? If I missed that I apologize.

[kbl8201]

If Jack lived in the house around the end of the 90's he most certainly saw a pregnant Jaycee at least one time. I do feel for the gentleman, but something may be rotten in Denmark in my book. I again will state that dimentia that is today in "early stages" would not have clouded his judgement in the late 90's. Exact same thing with Patricia. Great defense though.:banghead:

One other thing. Do they know which computer was used to access the porn site daily in 2008? If I missed that I apologize.

everyone involved in this clusterfreak seems to have excuses dont they? tell it to jaycee and her family. there the ones these schmucks have to answer to imo

[my2sisters]

If Jack lived in the house around the end of the 90's he most certainly saw a pregnant Jaycee at least one time. I do feel for the gentleman, but something may be rotten in Denmark in my book. I again will state that dimentia that is today in "early stages" would not have clouded his judgement in the late 90's. Exact same thing with Patricia. Great defense though.:banghead:

One other thing. Do they know which computer was used to access the porn site daily in 2008? If I missed that I apologize.

If anyone runs across it there's a picture of LE removing a computer from that house during the search on Garrido's house and the "neighbor's" house! That would have been the tenant's computer, right?

[SunnieRN]

If anyone runs across it there's a picture of LE removing a computer from that house during the search on Garrido's house and the "neighbor's" house! That would have been the tenant's computer, right?

I remember the picture but can't find it at the moment. Ok, gross thought here....the current tenant is friends with pg also? I would think for them to remove the computer there had to be a tie in somewhere. How far reaching will this case become?

[kbl8201]

BBM
Shelton stated in the article that he thought Jack lived at the Garrido residence while they were living at Jack's in the late 90's. Which would also give Jack more than enough opportunity to witness SOMETHING, no? I'm not sure who lived in Jack's house between the Shelton's living there and 05. Anyone looked into Jack's background?



I found this interesting, too. She, apparently, had a strong desire for girls of her own. Maybe he was fullfilling her desires or torturing her with her own desires... Either way, she had to know what he was up to.

This whole tale is so twisted. I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only one who is skeptical. Thanks JFV.

i was thinking more along the lines of mrs bates in psycho rather then joan crawford lol

[my2sisters]

Is that a computer keyboard on the dresser at 4.39 on this video?
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=56009@kpix.dayport.com (http://cbs5.com/video/?id=56009@kpix.dayport.com) Thanks to Tom'sGirl for posting the link in the video thread!

[LillyRush]

I remember the picture but can't find it at the moment. Ok, gross thought here....the current tenant is friends with pg also? I would think for them to remove the computer there had to be a tie in somewhere. How far reaching will this case become?

The current tenant, if I'm thinking of the same property, is Damon Robinson. He is the one who noticed that the locks were reversed after he moved in and his girlfriend (or ex?) was the one who made the 911 call in 2006. So, I doubt they were friends. But, who knows in this case.

[LillyRush]

By the way, Mike Shelton (the tenant prior to Damon Robinson) I believe is the one who made the comments about the "parties in the backyard". So, we have two tenants who noticed odd things. I wonder if they ever mentioned anything to their landlord (Medeiros or his wife) and what type of reaction they received if they did mention it?

*correction it was Mr. Rogers who alleges there were "parties" in the backyard...not Shelton*

[Tizzle]

By the way, Mike Shelton (the tenant prior to Damon Robinson) I believe is the one who made the comments about the "parties in the backyard". So, we have two tenants who noticed odd things. I wonder if they ever mentioned anything to their landlord (Medeiros or his wife) and what type of reaction they received if they did mention it?

I only saw one article about the Shelton's and it didn't say anything about them witnessing any "parties". I think it was Robinson that said he saw these activities, but I'm not positive on that and it's too late to search right now. I can tomorrow. I do know that I haven't seen Shelton being quoted as saying he saw the "parties". If I missed this link, please pass it along. Thank you.

[LillyRush]

I only saw one article about the Shelton's and it didn't say anything about them witnessing any "parties". I think it was Robinson that said he saw these activities, but I'm not positive on that and it's too late to search right now. I can tomorrow. I do know that I haven't seen Shelton being quoted as saying he saw the "parties". If I missed this link, please pass it along. Thank you.

Actually, it was Mr. Rogers who said that he saw the parties and was interviewed on the news about it. My bad! As for Damon Robinson, I don't know whether he personally saw these things or whether it was just his girlfriend. His main thing was giving the media a tour of his property and talking about the reversed locks. Either way, I'm still interested in knowing whether Damon ever discussed these bizarre things with his landlord (PG's friend) and what the reaction was.

I just bumped the thread that we had going in August through early September, concerning some of these neighbor's accounts.

[kbl8201]

Actually, it was Mr. Rogers who said that he saw the parties and was interviewed on the news about it. My bad! As for Damon Robinson, I don't know whether he personally saw these things or whether it was just his girlfriend. His main thing was giving the media a tour of his property and talking about the reversed locks. Either way, I'm still interested in knowing whether Damon ever discussed these bizarre things with his landlord (PG's friend) and what the reaction was.

I just bumped the thread that we had going in August through early September, concerning some of these neighbor's accounts.

id be ashamed if i lived in that area if this was going under my nose and i didnt know or igonred it.
whats amazing about the early days of these posts is the first jaycee thread was put up like 4 years ago.......and then i mean literally, as people are discussin michaud and her boyfriend, the next post is the first one saying "break in 18 year old case. so i mean literally hours before the story broke it was still a semi-hot topic here

[Natal]

I have been giving these pictures of Jack some more thought, you can tell a lot about people's personalities from photos taken when they are in their comfort zone. The most striking thing about PG himself is that he is in the back, above the folk in the forground, with his arms encircling them. It's a very dominant image, but not overtly threatening, he is clearly the alpha dog in the group and is very comfortable with that position. Nancy has a more submissive posture, in the background as well, mostly semi obscured. Of the two girls, Starlet is striking more confident aggresive poses while Angel is allmost shrinking. In a way it reflects PG and Nancy, where one is "daddy's girl" and the other "mommy's girl". This is contrast to eye-witness accounts of the girls in other encounters, where Starlet was described as clingy and angel more outgoing. I don't think that these two images are mutually exclusive though, since they deal with the girls in their comfort zone in one case, and out of it in the other. It isn't uncommon in cases of two siblings separated by a few years for the oldest to assume a more responsible aggresive role and the youngest to be more passive and freespirited. I think that is what we see in these pictures, while in situations where they are encountering strangers Starlet acts more defensively to proactively circle the wagons and "protect" the family but Angel acts in more openly, friendly manner. An observer might misinterpret this to mean that Starlet was shy and reserved, while Angel was not, but in fact the reverse would be true. This would explain the rambuncious behaviour of Starlet with Shayna, she is probably a pretty aggresive girl.

I'm curious how Jaycee fitted into all of this though. She would have been a sister, but much older than the other two. In normal families where there is a very large age difference between siblings, the older sibling takes on the role of an adult/quasi-parent, and this is probably the dynamic that happened in the Garrido houshold. Where was Jaycee when these pictures were taken? She apparently wasnt on the trip. Was Patricia still living in the house at the time? If so, she would have been bedridden, which means that she would have needed someone to look after her while the rest of the family was down at SF. Probably that would have been Jaycee, as the adult sister. If she was there all alone, with the run of the house for who knows how long, that is kind of interesting.

So many unanswered questions :sleuth:

[SunnieRN]

Egads, I wonder if the difference in attitude of both girls has more to do with the presence or absence of ng?

[kbl8201]

I have been giving these pictures of Jack some more thought, you can tell a lot about people's personalities from photos taken when they are in their comfort zone. The most striking thing about PG himself is that he is in the back, above the folk in the forground, with his arms encircling them. It's a very dominant image, but not overtly threatening, he is clearly the alpha dog in the group and is very comfortable with that position. Nancy has a more submissive posture, in the background as well, mostly semi obscured. Of the two girls, Starlet is striking more confident aggresive poses while Angel is allmost shrinking. In a way it reflects PG and Nancy, where one is "daddy's girl" and the other "mommy's girl". This is contrast to eye-witness accounts of the girls in other encounters, where Starlet was described as clingy and angel more outgoing. I don't think that these two images are mutually exclusive though, since they deal with the girls in their comfort zone in one case, and out of it in the other. It isn't uncommon in cases of two siblings separated by a few years for the oldest to assume a more responsible aggresive role and the youngest to be more passive and freespirited. I think that is what we see in these pictures, while in situations where they are encountering strangers Starlet acts more defensively to proactively circle the wagons and "protect" the family but Angel acts in more openly, friendly manner. An observer might misinterpret this to mean that Starlet was shy and reserved, while Angel was not, but in fact the reverse would be true. This would explain the rambuncious behaviour of Starlet with Shayna, she is probably a pretty aggresive girl.

I'm curious how Jaycee fitted into all of this though. She would have been a sister, but much older than the other two. In normal families where there is a very large age difference between siblings, the older sibling takes on the role of an adult/quasi-parent, and this is probably the dynamic that happened in the Garrido houshold. Where was Jaycee when these pictures were taken? She apparently wasnt on the trip. Was Patricia still living in the house at the time? If so, she would have been bedridden, which means that she would have needed someone to look after her while the rest of the family was down at SF. Probably that would have been Jaycee, as the adult sister. If she was there all alone, with the run of the house for who knows how long, that is kind of interesting.

So many unanswered questions :sleuth:

forgot about that. yeah she could have been home taking care of his wacko mom.

the thing about jaycee being there quasi-adult/parent i think is a very good possibility. it appears so far they havent taken badly to the new she's there mom, so obviousy a bond had been formed long ago

[Tizzle]

Excellent points, Natal. Thank you. I've also wondered if maybe Jaycee was left out of these "family" trips because she had to stay back and run the business. Maybe PG was running a sweat shop, of sorts, with JC as his "slave", for lack of a better term. Her absence from these pictures is haunting to me, whatever the reasons are. How was this explained to the girls and Jack( if he was truly unaware of the goings on)? You're probably right that she had to stay and "care for granny", which would make JC's exclusion easily explained by P & N. But what if something went wrong with "granny" and another call had to made to 911? Seems like an awfully big risk for P & N to take, although, I'm sure they were well aware of LE's inadequate policing. Would also be easy to explain if she had to "run the business" while they were away.
I also saw the idea in a post in another thread, (I think it was from you, Natal, but I can't find it) that there may have been common feelings of disdain or dislike amongst the "family" towards NG. Do you think that it's possible that PG & NG made sure that this was actually the common feeling towards JC instead, in order to keep her isolated or "in check"? Maybe her exclusion from these "family" outings would be an expression of that. Of course, it's just a thought and I hope and pray that this isn't what happened, that would be so hard to overcome...
These photos break my heart. They tell me that those girls were completely unaware that their lives were a lie. (A lie until now, anyway.) They had no idea that their world would come crashing down around them in less than a year. If we had seen those pictures without knowing what we know now, we would have thought "That looks like a normal family having a good time together". I'm sad for those girls that this isn't the case and that there was something much more sinister going on in those "family" pictures. They certainly didn't deserve this. How can two people be capable of such horrific things? Look at all the lives they damaged. And how did they get away with it for so long? Sickening.

[songline]

I got the same creepy feeling from PG towering over the child.This vacation to SF might have just been a days outing.
The camera might have been a digital and PG might have taken it.
She may have been told by PG to tell clients that they don't have a digital camera.
So they would not have to bother taking client photos.
It is easier & cheaper for the printing business to get the customer to email a
JPEG photo to be put on cards/flyers.

I'm watching dateline right now covering Jaycee's heartbreaking story.
I must have missed that picture, can you please either link me to it or tell me where to find it.
Thank you,

[songline]

I have been giving these pictures of Jack some more thought, you can tell a lot about people's personalities from photos taken when they are in their comfort zone. The most striking thing about PG himself is that he is in the back, above the folk in the forground, with his arms encircling them. It's a very dominant image, but not overtly threatening, he is clearly the alpha dog in the group and is very comfortable with that position. Nancy has a more submissive posture, in the background as well, mostly semi obscured. Of the two girls, Starlet is striking more confident aggresive poses while Angel is allmost shrinking. In a way it reflects PG and Nancy, where one is "daddy's girl" and the other "mommy's girl". This is contrast to eye-witness accounts of the girls in other encounters, where Starlet was described as clingy and angel more outgoing. I don't think that these two images are mutually exclusive though, since they deal with the girls in their comfort zone in one case, and out of it in the other. It isn't uncommon in cases of two siblings separated by a few years for the oldest to assume a more responsible aggresive role and the youngest to be more passive and freespirited. I think that is what we see in these pictures, while in situations where they are encountering strangers Starlet acts more defensively to proactively circle the wagons and "protect" the family but Angel acts in more openly, friendly manner. An observer might misinterpret this to mean that Starlet was shy and reserved, while Angel was not, but in fact the reverse would be true. This would explain the rambuncious behaviour of Starlet with Shayna, she is probably a pretty aggresive girl.

I'm curious how Jaycee fitted into all of this though. She would have been a sister, but much older than the other two. In normal families where there is a very large age difference between siblings, the older sibling takes on the role of an adult/quasi-parent, and this is probably the dynamic that happened in the Garrido houshold. Where was Jaycee when these pictures were taken? She apparently wasnt on the trip. Was Patricia still living in the house at the time? If so, she would have been bedridden, which means that she would have needed someone to look after her while the rest of the family was down at SF. Probably that would have been Jaycee, as the adult sister. If she was there all alone, with the run of the house for who knows how long, that is kind of interesting.

So many unanswered questions :sleuth:


Can you please point me to the picture. I must have missed it.
Or link it for me.
Thanks

[Tizzle]

Can you please point me to the picture. I must have missed it.
Or link it for me.
Thanks

They're posted in the photos & other images sticky. The video where they came from is posted at the start of this thread.

[Stephens]

I'm guessing Dugard wasn't taken on the trips simply because Garrido was scared someone might recognize her. A minute possibility was still probably too much for Garrido as he never allowed her even beyond the front or backyard. That's a pretty tight leash. Especially when you consider that, almost unanimously, their Antioch neighborhood and local law enforcement were not concerned enough to bother with him.

I do think Dugard helped with his elderly mother, but I don't he couldn't have simply had Nancy do it. It's clear he singled out Dugard to stay behind.

[my2sisters]

id be ashamed if i lived in that area if this was going under my nose and i didnt know or igonred it.
whats amazing about the early days of these posts is the first jaycee thread was put up like 4 years ago.......and then i mean literally, as people are discussin michaud and her boyfriend, the next post is the first one saying "break in 18 year old case. so i mean literally hours before the story broke it was still a semi-hot topic here

I'm ashamed and I live 2 miles away. I went to school here in the 60s and it was a nice, sleepy, small, middle-class town. When I finished school we moved away and I moved back a couple of years ago and was shocked by how it's changed. Now this area is overrun with drugs, sexual predators, ex-cons, and race-related crimes. Some blame the housing boom and investors renting to Section 8 tenants. It seems that it took a short time to make this area undesirable, whatever the reason.

[Tizzle]

I'm guessing Dugard wasn't taken on the trips simply because Garrido was scared someone might recognize her. A minute possibility was still probably too much for Garrido as he never allowed her even beyond the front or backyard. That's a pretty tight leash. Especially when you consider that, almost unanimously, their Antioch neighborhood and local law enforcement were not concerned enough to bother with him.

I do think Dugard helped with his elderly mother, but I don't he couldn't have simply had Nancy do it. It's clear he singled out Dugard to stay behind.

Right, the obvious reason she might have been excluded from "family" outings would be for fear of her being recognized. I think what we're (at least I am) trying to figure out is if her absence seemed curious to the girls and Jack, and if so, how it was explained.

[Natal]

I'm guessing Dugard wasn't taken on the trips simply because Garrido was scared someone might recognize her. A minute possibility was still probably too much for Garrido as he never allowed her even beyond the front or backyard. That's a pretty tight leash. Especially when you consider that, almost unanimously, their Antioch neighborhood and local law enforcement were not concerned enough to bother with him.

I do think Dugard helped with his elderly mother, but I don't he couldn't have simply had Nancy do it. It's clear he singled out Dugard to stay behind.

IIRC there were reports of her being seen with Nancy and the girls shoping etc, so I don't know if she was kept there all the time. I think that the DA said that she had been kept in the backyard for the first 3.5 years, implying that she had been out after that as well.

In any case, people would have recognized an 11 year old girl, not an adult woman with a family. Plus, I doubt anyone was looking for her, everyone assumed that she had been murdered 18 years ago, they would have been expecting to find skeletal remains if anything at all.

[Natal]

Right, the obvious reason she wasn't included in "family" outings was for fear of her being recognized. I think what we're (at least I am) trying to figure out is if her absence seemed curious to the girls and Jack, and if so, how it was explained.

I don't think he would have been to worried about that at this point. The greater danger would be that she would bolt if she encountered images that reminded her too much of her former life.

[i.b.nora]

We don't know that she wasn't included in family outings. From the photos, all we know is that she wasn't in those photos.

[my2sisters]

We don't know that she wasn't included in family outings. From the photos, all we know is that she wasn't in those photos.

She didn't go with Pg and the girls on their business runs. And we know that she didn't go to the birthday party. I suspect he didn't take her out much. Well, look what happened as soon as she talked to LE... she gave it all up.

[Tizzle]

Seems like Jack would have shared any images of JC on outings if he had any. I find it hard to believe that she would actually be there but not in any of the pictures. You're right, though, we don't know. Maybe PG gave Jack the pictures he has of the "family" outing and was careful to not give him any that included JC.

[jjenny]

She didn't go with Pg and the girls on their business runs. And we know that she didn't go to the birthday party. I suspect he didn't take her out much. Well, look what happened as soon as she talked to LE... she gave it all up.

If you ever been questioned by the police, you would know they can be really persuasive. I don't know that the fact that JC told them who she was points to anything. They could have told her something along these lines "if you don't tell us who you are we will find out anyway, so you should tell us now, etc..."

[nobody2]

Weighing in with my opinion on the pics, and I believe these are the young daughters. According to the quote from Shayna's myspace she towers over Jaycee now because Jaycee must be quite petite, like her own mom. Garrido looks to be pretty tall and the teenage daughter may be tall as well. That picture does not look out of line for a girl in early teens to me at all, looks similar to my nieces at 13 or 14.

[JulieNMM]

Weighing in with my opinion on the pics, and I believe these are the young daughters. According to the quote from Shayna's myspace she towers over Jaycee now because Jaycee must be quite petite, like her own mom. Garrido looks to be pretty tall and the teenage daughter may be tall as well. That picture does not look out of line for a girl in early teens to me at all, looks similar to my nieces at 13 or 14.

In another thread, someone said PG is 6'4", so the girls will probably end up pretty tall, too.

JULIE

[kbl8201]

In another thread, someone said PG is 6'4", so the girls will probably end up pretty tall, too.

JULIE

this would explain why aunt tina describes jaycee as looking the same as when she was kidnapped.......

[kbl8201]

I'm ashamed and I live 2 miles away. I went to school here in the 60s and it was a nice, sleepy, small, middle-class town. When I finished school we moved away and I moved back a couple of years ago and was shocked by how it changed. Now, this area is overrun with drugs, sexual predators, ex-cons, and race related crimes. Some blame the housing boom and investors renting to Section 8 tenants. It seems that it took a short time to make this area so undesirable whatever the reason.

well gariddo was living there over 20 years.......i know megans law didnt come in till like the mid 90's, but wouldnt the area still have to be warned?

[LinasK]

If you ever been questioned by the police, you would know they can be really persuasive. I don't know that the fact that JC told them who she was points to anything. They could have told her something along these lines "if you don't tell us who you are we will find out anyway, so you should tell us now, etc..."

Or... for the first time in 18 years she felt safe enough to spill her story, knowing that he was in a separate room, and could be locked up, and the police would protect her. It didn't take long to verify her story. Elizabeth Smart did similarly. She wouldn't give her real name openly, but when someone recognized her, she did eventually give her real name...

[kbl8201]

Or... for the first time in 18 years she felt safe enough to spill her story, knowing that he was in a separate room, and could be locked up, and the police would protect her. It didn't take long to verify her story. Elizabeth Smart did similarly. She wouldn't give her real name openly, but when someone recognized her, she did eventually give her real name...

that jaycee is reported to have said "this is the first time i've used my real name in years" it can be inferred that she was relieved to finally do so, and have the truth out.

[pedropete]

that jaycee is reported to have said "this is the first time i've used my real name in years" it can be inferred that she was relieved to finally do so, and have the truth out.

Jaycee was reported as having stuttered slightly over her name when she first gave it. Her full name is slightly tricky the first time said. If so, she would have felt obliged to explain why. I read: "This is the first time I've spoken my name for fifteen years". If that is true it would time with the birth of her first baby. Perhaps when they named the baby they decided to rename Jaycee at the same time. Much safer for the Garridos.

[anthroamy]

Jaycee was reported as having stuttered slightly over her name when she first gave it. Her full name is slightly tricky the first time said. If so, she would have felt obliged to explain why. I read: "This is the first time I've spoken my name for fifteen years". If that is true it would time with the birth of her first baby. Perhaps when they named the baby they decided to rename Jaycee at the same time. Much safer for the Garridos.

Very interesting! Do you have a link to the article you read? (Not that I doubt you, I'd just be interested to read the rest of the article, as well).

TIA

[songline]

They're posted in the photos & other images sticky. The video where they came from is posted at the start of this thread.

Thanks - I finally got home and my computer is better then the notebook I was using on the beach
so I can now go on and see it.

[songline]

If you ever been questioned by the police, you would know they can be really persuasive. I don't know that the fact that JC told them who she was points to anything. They could have told her something along these lines "if you don't tell us who you are we will find out anyway, so you should tell us now, etc..."
I think she would have had to feel safe to tell anything.
It took them sometime to get information from her.
Since they knew he was a perp. had a prison record, they may have told her we know who he is, you are not going back there, you are safe.
I believe that SAFE would have been the only way she could have talked for the fear of what PG may do to her if he finds out that she spoke.

I am not so sure that if they said "we will find out anyway" it would scare her.

[kbl8201]

I think she would have had to feel safe to tell anything.
It took them sometime to get information from her.
Since they knew he was a perp. had a prison record, they may have told her we know who he is, you are not going back there, you are safe.
I believe that SAFE would have been the only way she could have talked for the fear of what PG may do to her if he finds out that she spoke.

I am not so sure that if they said "we will find out anyway" it would scare her.

absolutely right song. i dont think intimidating her was going to work. she needed to feel safe. besides that kind of questioing is what you ask of a perpetrator.
i wonder the look of shock on there faces when she told them her idenity lol

[Natal]

absolutely right song. i dont think intimidating her was going to work. she needed to feel safe. besides that kind of questioing is what you ask of a perpetrator.
i wonder the look of shock on there faces when she told them her idenity lol

I got the impression they allready knew who she was.

[kbl8201]

I got the impression they allready knew who she was.

how would they know?
i mean i know people say they never forgot her but you cant expect everyone everywhere to remember. specially when she was long believed to be dead

[my2sisters]

I got the impression they allready knew who she was.

Can you please explain what makes you conclude this?

[kbl8201]

Can you please explain what makes you conclude this?

i dont get it either.
when they found elizabeth smart the case was relatively fresh, and they had an idea who she might be with.
here jaycee has been gone 18 years and has been feared dead for awhile.
did they call the psychic hotline?

[LinasK]

how would they know?
i mean i know people say they never forgot her but you cant expect everyone everywhere to remember. specially when she was long believed to be dead
I read in an article that the officer had been looking up pictures of missing children on the NMEC site prior to Garrido coming in that day, and he came across Jaycee's and she fit the bill...

[my2sisters]

I read in an article that the officer had been looking up pictures of missing children on the NMEC site prior to Garrido coming in that day, and he came across Jaycee's and she fit the bill...

While she was in their office? Hadn't heard that.

[i.b.nora]

Concord police detail role in breaking Jaycee Dugard case
By Robert Salonga
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 08/31/2009 03:06:31 PM PDT

"CONCORD — Lt. Jim Lardieri sat at his desk last week waiting to hear from two of his officers who were helping parole agents interrogate two girls and a woman who had accompanied a sex offender to a nearby parole office."

"Several detectives came by his desk, saying they also were on their way to the parole office. They had been told that the woman might have been kidnapped nearly two decades ago. Details were sketchy, they said.

Lardieri decided to log on to the Web site for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to see what he could find about missing children that fit into that time line.

He had just found the page for a girl named Jaycee Dugard, who was 11 on June 10, 1991, when she was kidnapped by a couple near her South Lake Tahoe neighborhood.

Suddenly his phone beeped. It was a message from his sergeant at the parole office.

"Hey, we got Jaycee Dugard here," Lardieri recalled him saying.

Dugard had resurfaced after 18 years."

"The story began Wednesday, when a Concord-based parole agent sought police assistance in questioning two girls and a woman. The three were with Phillip and Nancy Garrido when the sex offender showed up at the parole office. He had been ordered to appear after he and the girls had aroused suspicion at UC Berkeley.

At first, the girls and woman seemed reluctant to answer basic questions asked by the parole agent and Concord officers while the Garridos were in the room. So the officers separated them.

"They weren't suspected of anything. It just didn't sit right," Lardieri said. "The suspicion was so high that we couldn't just leave this as it is."

In a room by herself, Lardieri said, the woman now known to be Dugard quickly admitted to her real identity. Lardieri said he suspects that it was the first time she had come under serious interrogation and she succumbed to the pressure, implicating Phillip Garrido as her kidnapper."

I don't have the actual physical link to the article right now. But, the above is part of what it said. The most relevant part.

The article: http://www.mercurynews.com/jaycee-dugard/ci_13240607

[kbl8201]

Concord police detail role in breaking Jaycee Dugard case
By Robert Salonga
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 08/31/2009 03:06:31 PM PDT

"CONCORD — Lt. Jim Lardieri sat at his desk last week waiting to hear from two of his officers who were helping parole agents interrogate two girls and a woman who had accompanied a sex offender to a nearby parole office."

"Several detectives came by his desk, saying they also were on their way to the parole office. They had been told that the woman might have been kidnapped nearly two decades ago. Details were sketchy, they said.

Lardieri decided to log on to the Web site for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to see what he could find about missing children that fit into that time line.

He had just found the page for a girl named Jaycee Dugard, who was 11 on June 10, 1991, when she was kidnapped by a couple near her South Lake Tahoe neighborhood.

Suddenly his phone beeped. It was a message from his sergeant at the parole office.

"Hey, we got Jaycee Dugard here," Lardieri recalled him saying.

Dugard had resurfaced after 18 years."

"The story began Wednesday, when a Concord-based parole agent sought police assistance in questioning two girls and a woman. The three were with Phillip and Nancy Garrido when the sex offender showed up at the parole office. He had been ordered to appear after he and the girls had aroused suspicion at UC Berkeley.

At first, the girls and woman seemed reluctant to answer basic questions asked by the parole agent and Concord officers while the Garridos were in the room. So the officers separated them.

"They weren't suspected of anything. It just didn't sit right," Lardieri said. "The suspicion was so high that we couldn't just leave this as it is."

In a room by herself, Lardieri said, the woman now known to be Dugard quickly admitted to her real identity. Lardieri said he suspects that it was the first time she had come under serious interrogation and she succumbed to the pressure, implicating Phillip Garrido as her kidnapper."

I don't have the actual physical link to the article right now. But, the above is part of what it said. The most relevant part.

jaycee admitted to it before this officer went to the parole office. so the people at th parole office had no idea who she was

[i.b.nora]

jaycee admitted to it before this officer went to the parole office. so the people at th parole office had no idea who she was
Sorry, but your comment doesn't make a particle of sense to me.

[kbl8201]

Sorry, but your comment doesn't make a particle of sense to me.

really? the officer looking at the photos online was not at the parole officer's place. he was about to go there. then they called and said "i have jaycee dugard here". jaycee had already admitted to them who she was before the guy searching on line got there.
does that make more sense?

[JulieNMM]

I think what klb means is that when they all showed up at the Parole Office the first time, no one, not the PO, the police, no one, knew they were going to end up talking to someone who had been missing for 18 years!

After they had talked to her alone for a little bit, somehow word spread among the office that she was a missing child, and THAT is when the guy in the article started researching old kidnapping cases from 20 years ago. IIRC, this whole scene took place within a matter of minutes, from the time they got JC alone in a room, til the other officer googled her and found out who she was.

JULIE

[kbl8201]

I think what klb means is that when they all showed up at the Parole Office the first time, no one, not the PO, the police, no one, knew they were going to end up talking to someone who had been missing for 18 years!

After they had talked to her alone for a little bit, somehow word spread among the office that she was a missing child, and THAT is when the guy in the article started researching old kidnapping cases from 20 years ago. IIRC, this whole scene took place within a matter of minutes, from the time they got JC alone in a room, til the other officer googled her and found out who she was.

JULIE

that was pretty much the gist of what i said yes.
i thought what i said was a fair summation.

[Natal]

They knew she wasn't who she said she was initially, that is why they were pressing the matter. Also, after they were all separated, PG admitted that she had been kidnapped and that the two girls were his. It isnt clear if this was before or after she said who she was. If it was before, they would have had a pretty good idea who she was by reviewing area files, but they needed her to say it and the interogation would have been pushing that without leading her.

[kbl8201]

They knew she wasn't who she said she was initially, that is why they were pressing the matter. Also, after they were all separated, PG admitted that she had been kidnapped and that the two girls were his. It isnt clear if this was before or after she said who she was. If it was before, they would have had a pretty good idea who she was by reviewing area files, but they needed her to say it and the interogation would have been pushing that without leading her.

i dont think that parole office could find its ass with both hands

[i.b.nora]

Nowhere in the article does it state that Lt. Jim Lardieri was about to go to the parole office or that he ever did go to the parole office.
It was two of his officers that went there, and some other detectives, and word was seeping out a two decade old kidnapping.

[my2sisters]

A tough thing for Jaycee was that she hadn't told her daughters that she was their mother and I'm sure she didn't want them to hear it from the police. There's no telling what PG told the girls about LE. I imagine it wasn't that they protect and serve.

[jjenny]

Or... for the first time in 18 years she felt safe enough to spill her story, knowing that he was in a separate room, and could be locked up, and the police would protect her. It didn't take long to verify her story. Elizabeth Smart did similarly. She wouldn't give her real name openly, but when someone recognized her, she did eventually give her real name...

The article posted on this thread says she was subjected to serious interrogation and succumbed to pressure.
So it doesn't sound to me like she was so eager to tell them who she was.

[kbl8201]

A tough thing for Jaycee was that she hadn't told her daughters that she was their mother and I'm sure she didn't want them to hear it from the police. There's no telling what PG told the girls about LE. I imagine it wasn't that they protect and serve.

from what i read it was jaycee who told them the truth though

[LinasK]

I think what klb means is that when they all showed up at the Parole Office the first time, no one, not the PO, the police, no one, knew they were going to end up talking to someone who had been missing for 18 years!

After they had talked to her alone for a little bit, somehow word spread among the office that she was a missing child, and THAT is when the guy in the article started researching old kidnapping cases from 20 years ago. IIRC, this whole scene took place within a matter of minutes, from the time they got JC alone in a room, til the other officer googled her and found out who she was.

JULIE
No, although kbl may be correct about Jaycee telling the PO first, I got the impression that after talking to the UCB officers about the strange females with the R.S.O., Sgt. Ladieri started looking at the NCMEC websites.

[Natal]

i dont think that parole office could find its ass with both hands

:nono: Well apparently they did, or the girls would be back in the backyard.

[kbl8201]

:nono: Well apparently they did, or the girls would be back in the backyard.

im sorry.
it took them 10 years to find there ass with both hands. and two cops at berkley :)

[MBK]

Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

[songline]

Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

I too wonder how much his wife paid him for the house.???
I cant imagine that it was only 25K. If he has dementia - could he have forgotten?

ALSO: why were the locks in that house set up to only work from the outside? Was Jack locked in?
Or did PG move Jack to his own extra room, and use that house to harm any of the girls.?

BBM
I do not find it odd that the Garrido's were able to write checks in Jacks behalf because they played "family"...
I am sure that when they wrote a check for example to the electric company, they also wrote one that Jack did not know about (forgery). Very often old people have the person who takes care of them (PG) write their checks.
Once in a while that person is a crook like PG.
I used to help an old lady, they can't see well enough to write most of their bills out.

[Tizzle]

Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

I, too, would like to know more information about Jack. The only public records I've seen regarding his house were the details you (MBK) posted earlier in this thread. As you already know, there is no sale price included, just the home's value. I'd almost bet the farm that Patricia's name is affiliated w/ the sale of this house as it was when the Sheltons rented it JMO. I wish the Shelton's would have given more details about why they thought Jack lived w/ P&NG. PG may have had access to his checks w/out him living there, though. My husband and I did some work for an elderly lady that had a stroke and lost use of her right side and had trouble writing, as a result. I had access to her checkbook as she would have me write checks all the time (she signed her own name, of course)and I had only known her for a short time. Obviously, I never took advantage of this and never would. PG, however, probably would. Whether or not Jack lived w/ them, I get the impression that PG would have had easy access to Jack's account judging by Jack's description of the nature of their relationship (like family, caretakers, etc...).

[songline]

I read in an article that the officer had been looking up pictures of missing children on the NMEC site prior to Garrido coming in that day, and he came across Jaycee's and she fit the bill...

Thanks, but that would only make her "fit the bill",
not a conclusion until she finally spoke.
To my knowledge it took some time for her to speak the truth.
But I am glad that for once they did some homework in advance and begun the questioning.

[songline]

The article posted on this thread says she was subjected to serious interrogation and succumbed to pressure.
So it doesn't sound to me like she was so eager to tell them who she was.

That is correct jjenny. :)
I imagine that she was afraid; she would not want to go back home with PG and end up in the restrainers or something worse. :banghead:
It took time before she spoke.
They usually talk when they understand that the perp is not coming out and that they are not going back with their abuser; they have to feel safe to talk.

I imagine she was told he is going to jail, that she will be reunited with real family, but they need her to coporate to get her home, or he will do this again, and again.

[kbl8201]

That is correct jjenny. :)
I imagine that she was afraid; she would not want to go back home with PG and end up in the restrainers or something worse. :banghead:
It took time before she spoke.
They usually talk when they understand that the perp is not coming out and that they are not going back with their abuser; they have to feel safe to talk.

I imagine she was told he is going to jail, that she will be reunited with real family, but they need her to coporate to get her home, or he will do this again, and again.

i agree with this. i dont think that qualifies as 'serious interrogation" though.
i think they treated her with kid gloves

[my2sisters]

Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

I watched the video again yesterday and thought I saw a computer keyboard on Medeiros' dresser. When asked if he accessed porno sites, he hung his head and said, "no". For some reason I didn't believe him. JMO I thought he overacted - like he didn't know what the "internet" meant. I'm just not convinced he's on the up and up.

Do we know what year his house was built? It's not as old as many on that street so I figure he built it. His bank statements showed that he is a retired civil servant and receives a pension.

[JulieNMM]

On a similar note, can someone list who occupied the neighbor's house over the past 20 years?


2006-2009 -- Damon Robinson (I think?) and ex-girlfriend (the one who called about the kids living in the backyard)

Sheltons

Jack

PG

Jack's wife?

[songline]

I watched the video again yesterday and thought I saw a computer keyboard on Medeiros' dresser. When asked if he accessed porno sites, he hung his head and said, "no". For some reason I didn't believe him. JMO I thought he overacted - like he didn't know what the "internet" meant. I'm just not convinced he's on the up and up.

Do we know what year his house was built? It's not as old as many on that street so I figure he built it. His bank statements showed that he is a retired civil servant and receives a pension.

I know what you saw it does look like some kind of key board I saw only a few keys, but not a key board. can it be a key board yes, can it be something else yes.
I think if you had ever asked my Dad if he ever saw porn, he may have also hung his head, that may be too shameful for some old timers, to be asked it may offend their dignity.

I do not agree that he had to be hiding something.
I do not know many old people who can work a computer, or that look at porn.
IT would be very easy to pull a comp out of the room and find out. but I heard nothing of them doing that.

[Tizzle]

On a similar note, can someone list who occupied the neighbor's house over the past 20 years?


2006-2009 -- Damon Robinson (I think?) and ex-girlfriend (the one who called about the kids living in the backyard)

Sheltons

Jack

PG

Jack's wife?


BBM
I can't be 100% positive because the article is no longer available, (to me, anyway) but I'm about 99% sure that the Sheltons lived there from 1996-98. My memory rarely fails me, but there's a slight possibility that it has here, I don't think so, though. Hope that helps.

[JusticeForVictims]

JulieNMM
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Milpitas, CA
Posts: 48

On a similar note, can someone list who occupied the neighbor's house over the past 20 years?

2006-2009 -- Damon Robinson and ex-girlfriend Erika Pratt ( who called on Nov.2006 about the kids living in the backyard)

Sheltons Mike and Glenda 1996 through 1998 they rented it from Jack

Jack 1998? - 2005 then He got too sick & moved to care home (do not know how long/years was he sick)

2005-2006 PG had access to house and the shed as the caretaker for Jack's wife who bought house from Jack 2005. JMO: Phillip may have had access to the house while Jack & PG were friends (as Jack said He saw the girls often) Do not know who changed the doors to lock people in.

Jack's wife? I Have not read when they divorced or if she lived in that house with Jack

[JusticeForVictims]

BBM
I can't be 100% positive because the article is no longer available,--The Sheltons

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=319&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1423162&om=1

Link to interview and Photo of Mike Shelton.
I hope the link opens.

[JusticeForVictims]

I think someone asked about Damon/neighbours being paid for interviews?
This is a link to Damon saying He was being paid thousands from foreign media.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/02/crimesider/entry5283352.shtml

[kbl8201]

I think someone asked about Damon/neighbours being paid for interviews?
This is a link to Damon saying He was being paid thousands from foreign media.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/02/crimesider/entry5283352.shtml

must be nice to make money off jaycee's missry huh?
his girlfiend did the right thing 3 years ago. he only has dollar signs in his eys.

[songline]

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=319&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1423162&om=1

Link to interview and Photo of Mike Shelton.
I hope the link opens.
YES IT WORKS but since you are afraid it will be removed I copied it here:

Local couple lived next to kidnapping suspect Phillip Garrido

staff writer 09/22/09
Janet Higdon

REFELCTION - Mike Shelton is glad that he no longer lives in California.
Mike and Glenda Shelton moved to Camden three years ago because of its proximity to the Tennessee River. Mike loves fishing and a friend of his recommended this area as a great place to enjoy his favorite sport. The couple moved here from California after they both became disabled.

So far nothing about the Shelton’s story sounds strange or unusual. When asked why they left California they both agree that they could no longer afford to live there once they became disabled. They wanted to own a home of their own in a quiet community where the cost of living was within their means. Camden suited their needs and they have now settled here. Even though they do not have family here, they both say they have a large church family here.

The Sheltons got a surprise recently when Glenda’s daughter called from California and asked them if they had seen the news. Their former neighbor, Phillip Garrido and his wife Nancy had been arrested and charged with kidnapping, conspiracy, and rape of a minor.

The story quickly swept across the nation. Jaycee Lee Dugard had been abducted at the age of 11 while she walked to her school bus stop in South Lake Tahoe, Ca. Garrido had held her captive for 18 years and fathered two children with her. She was forced to live in a series of shacks and tents in the backyard and it was there that she gave birth to her two children, reportedly without the help of a physician. The children have never seen a doctor nor have they ever gone to school but Jaycee had somehow taught them to read and write.

Mike and Glenda lived next door to Garrido on Walnut Ave. in Antioch, Ca. from 1996 through 1998. The Garridos and the Sheltons shared a driveway but little else. Both of the Sheltons have met and talked to Garrido but they both describe him as being “weird”. Mike stated that you could tell there was something funny about him because he was always real defensive. He didn’t want anybody to go near the yard and nobody was allowed behind the gate. Mike recalls one time the lock on the gate was broken and Garrido appeared to be almost in a panic until it was fixed.

Mike Shelton rented the house next door to the Garridos from a guy named Jack. Phillip’s mother was a retired real estate agent and handled the transaction for Jack. The Sheltons believe that Jack lived on the Garrido property but they cannot say for sure. Phillip’s mother also lived on the property with her son and the Sheltons feel that the mother must have known something about Jaycee and the children. It is unclear whether or not the mother is still alive.

Mike states that there was no way you could tell the compound was there because it was completely enclosed behind an 8-foot privacy fence. He also says the area was a rural area the was overgrown with brush. Garrido ran a printing business out of his home but he always took his orders away from the home in a gray Dodge van. Mike said it was always quiet next door and you would never know that anything of this magnitude was going on. Glenda states that she stayed at home alone a lot of the time and she now looks back with disbelief at the things that were going on so close to her own back door. Mike also had small children that came to visit on weekends.

Since the case first broke the Sheltons have now learned that the police are digging up the backyard of the house they used to live in. Police suspect that Garrido may have killed prostitutes and buried them somewhere in the surrounding area. There have been human bones found in the area but news reports have not yet told whether or not those bones are tied to Garrido.

As for the Sheltons, they are now comfortable living in Camden and enjoying life at a slower pace. Mike loves to grab his fishing pole and head for the river every chance he gets. Glenda enjoys being at home with her dogs and they both enjoy their church activities. They have gladly left their California life behind them.

[JusticeForVictims]

MBK
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Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

I agree with everything you just wrote. I hope I'm wrong about Jack. But I believe if he was healthy during his friendship with PG then I think he was aware of the backyard prison. What normal person would not report Children/young girls living in tents and not going to school, outdoor shower, dogs protecting them etc.
I wish the reporter had asked Jack many of these questions about his relationship with the "adopted family" during his interview about the money theft.

I also want to say. I re-posted links after someone asked for the info. as I saved some from earlier web sleuth postings. I did not come up with anything new. :waitasec:

I live in a City that has had a horrible record of Police not following up on leads, that were given to them. I'm a short drive from the Pig Farm that had upwards of 60 murders.
The police were notified often & did not follow up. Finally one officer tried to get his supervisor to approve a search warrant and was told no. If they had done their jobs many lives would have been spared. Only one pig farmer has gone to jail and He admitted to killiing 49 women and won't give any of his friends names that participated. The police suspect many other men & a few women but did not collect evidence on them. No other charges have been made. Some key players are long gone.
He was put in jail in 2002. He was permitted to change his plea to not guilty, the court room drama didn't start until 2007 and it is still going..

The Garrido's and some of their friend's remind me of the people investigated in connection to the pig farm murders. This was a family with money and valuable land. His Sister and Brother were in charge of his money. None of the property was in his name. Victims Families can't sue him.

His Brother lived with him and said he was aware of some bodies? But they didn't have enough to send him to jail also. The pig farmer willy pickton also preferred living in a run down camper trailor on the land. He was very good at manipulating people & very creepy.

I pray that Jaycee and Family are spared the agony of a trial.

Our two Countries have the same trouble of not keeping these pedophiles in jail. They keep freeing them here also & they are repeat offenders & many go on to murder.
The laws have too be changed and some politicians say they are trying.
It is so frustrating and very sickening..
Sorry for my extra long post. I'm finished now. Take care everyone.

[my2sisters]

I'm glad you're here, Justice. I watched a program about that and all the screw-ups and cover-ups. What a story!!!

[kbl8201]

MBK
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 240

Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

I agree with everything you just wrote. I hope I'm wrong about Jack. But I believe if he was healthy during his friendship with PG then I think he was aware of the backyard prison. What normal person would not report Children/young girls living in tents and not going to school, outdoor shower, dogs protecting them etc.
I wish the reporter had asked Jack many of these questions about his relationship with the "adopted family" during his interview about the money theft.

I also want to say. I re-posted links after someone asked for the info. as I saved some from earlier web sleuth postings. I did not come up with anything new. :waitasec:

I live in a City that has had a horrible record of Police not following up on leads, that were given to them. I'm a short drive from the Pig Farm that had upwards of 60 murders.
The police were notified often & did not follow up. Finally one officer tried to get his supervisor to approve a search warrant and was told no. If they had done their jobs many lives would have been spared. Only one pig farmer has gone to jail and He admitted to killiing 49 women and won't give any of his friends names that participated. The police suspect many other men & a few women but did not collect evidence on them. No other charges have been made. Some key players are long gone.
He was put in jail in 2002. He was permitted to change his plea to not guilty, the court room drama didn't start until 2007 and it is still going..

The Garrido's and some of their friend's remind me of the people investigated in connection to the pig farm murders. This was a family with money and valuable land. His Sister and Brother were in charge of his money. None of the property was in his name. Victims Families can't sue him.

His Brother lived with him and said he was aware of some bodies? But they didn't have enough to send him to jail also. The pig farmer willy pickton also preferred living in a run down camper trailor on the land. He was very good at manipulating people & very creepy.

I pray that Jaycee and Family are spared the agony of a trial.

Our two Countries have the same trouble of not keeping these pedophiles in jail. They keep freeing them here also & they are repeat offenders & many go on to murder.
The laws have too be changed and some politicians say they are trying.
It is so frustrating and very sickening..
Sorry for my extra long post. I'm finished now. Take care everyone.

if they ever let garrido and his wife out there wont be enough space on earth for any of them to hide (garrido his wife or the morons that let them out)

[nobody2]

Back to the main topic of this thread . . . I think that there are so many unanswered questions about Delbert "Jack" Medeiros and his relationship to the Garridos. I do wonder if he ever WAS living with them. It is odd and of concern that there were forged checks. In other words, the Garridos had easy access to Medeiros' check book. Was this because he was living with them? I also wonder how much his ex-wife paid him for that house. Would that be in public records? I would think that real estate transactions would be public. The amount "stolen" from Medeiros by the Garridos may be much more than $25,000!
Also, I checked the National sex offender database, and Medeiros is not on it. (I am trying to figure out if there is more to this than meets the eye.)

OK bear with me for a sec. Is the Medeiros home the one just to the left of Garridos? You can get a lot of info by going to sites such as Zillow dot com.
If you click on the lot you can get the size of the lot, tax paid, last sold, a lot of stuff about each property. Interestingly, Garridos property was "claimed" on Zillow which I think means the property owner gets on there and changes or confirms what is written about the property? (such as my own house is listed on there with the wrong square footage and number of bathrooms, I suppose if I wanted it "fixed" to make my property value go up I would "claim it" and fix it.)

Anyway - looks like the house to the left was 1568 Walnut and was "sold" (with an unexplained asterisk) in 1984 for $5000. Now worth about $144K

Also, LOTS of sheds in that yard too, and lots of cars in the driveway on the aerial. Hmm. That may not even be the right neighbor's house though, perhaps the house of "jack's" is the one to the right as you face Garridos?

[my2sisters]

I know what you saw it does look like some kind of key board I saw only a few keys, but not a key board. can it be a key board yes, can it be something else yes.
I think if you had ever asked my Dad if he ever saw porn, he may have also hung his head, that may be too shameful for some old timers, to be asked it may offend their dignity.

I do not agree that he had to be hiding something.
I do not know many old people who can work a computer, or that look at porn.
IT would be very easy to pull a comp out of the room and find out. but I heard nothing of them doing that.

I don't think Jack was using the computer, sorry if I inferred that. It would be a good place to "store" a computer, though, don't you think? LE took computers from PG's house, his next door neighbor's and the Molino's house, so there was obviously something they were looking for. And the fact that Jack had pages of charges to a porn site leads to wonder "who" made those unauthorized charges.

It seems odd to me, something isn't right. I keep thinking of what Ms. Gomes said about the accomplice and I think more should be looked at here. Who is the person she is talking about and does he know Jack?

[JulieNMM]

OK bear with me for a sec. Is the Medeiros home the one just to the left of Garridos? You can get a lot of info by going to sites such as Zillow dot com.
If you click on the lot you can get the size of the lot, tax paid, last sold, a lot of stuff about each property. Interestingly, Garridos property was "claimed" on Zillow which I think means the property owner gets on there and changes or confirms what is written about the property? (such as my own house is listed on there with the wrong square footage and number of bathrooms, I suppose if I wanted it "fixed" to make my property value go up I would "claim it" and fix it.)

Anyway - looks like the house to the left was 1568 Walnut and was "sold" (with an unexplained asterisk) in 1984 for $5000. Now worth about $144K

Also, LOTS of sheds in that yard too, and lots of cars in the driveway on the aerial. Hmm. That may not even be the right neighbor's house though, perhaps the house of "jack's" is the one to the right as you face Garridos?

The neighbor lived on the other side -- 1540 Walnut Ave. Last sale:
Sold 02/13/2004: $195,000

[JusticeForVictims]

It seems odd to me, something isn't right. I keep thinking of what Ms. Gomes said about the accomplice and I think more should be looked at here. Who is the person she is talking about and does he know Jack?

I'm wondering this also. But LE might not release anymore details, on the active investigation.
I'm curious if Ms Gomes saw the two ped's together or if she assumes they are associates by being neighbours.
I'm also surprised LE didn't warn her in the danger of going public & on TV with her accusations against a dangerous
pedophile. They still don't know if they all belong to a gang of disgusting predators.

Maybe the name of his "pedo" friend ID'd by Ms. Gomes could be found on a house title search? Then matched up to the Pedo Warning Files & recent arrest files?

I still think/hope the 2 younger children seen in the back yard & at the barbers, were taken into protective custody.
I assume LE would not release the details?
I'm repeating a guess that they could have been found at Molinos rental property.
This has been mentioned on another link and I'm just repeating it.

A question for the people who like doing the searches.
Is their anyway to trace the address of Molinos rental property to find the tennants name and then cross check the arrest files from the day of the search and sex predator listings. Sorry if I'm way off on this.

It is possible that Nancy gave the location soon after her arrest?
I pray she can be convinced to give details on missing persons.

[JusticeForVictims]

[QUOTE=my2sisters;4252846]I don't think Jack was using the computer, sorry if I inferred that. It would be a good place to "store" a computer, though, don't you think? LE took computers from PG's house, his next door neighbor's and the Molino's house, so there was obviously something they were looking for. And the fact that Jack had pages of charges to a porn site leads to wonder "who" made those unauthorized charges.

The Garridos: had Jacks bank account details.

They could then easily set-up payments from his account. It was a dumb move because the payments from the internet porn site can be traced back to the computer used. Even if the elderly care home has a computer? Not likely.
The LE have probably already traced all the hard drives and have the answers.

I don't think PG would have shared Jack's bank account details with any of his
friends. He would want all the money for himself.
I think PG was Porno surfing on Jack's dime..

I'm sorry if I have repeated old details.

[songline]

@Stephens: ....Which is why I raised the question "Maybe his father was abusive to his mother?" But, thanks for expanding on my thoughts. Exactly where I was going.

I read an article about Patricia where she expresses her regrets about never having daughters & how daughters are better than sons, more than once. Though, I don't know the accuracy of the article, it's still interesting. Any thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/06/phillip-garrido-s-mum-thought-jaycee-was-his-daughter-115875-21650599/

You mean could he be bringing her daughters to gain her affection;
and raping women because he is angry with her??
It is a possibility.

[songline]

I don't think Jack was using the computer, sorry if I inferred that. It would be a good place to "store" a computer, though, don't you think? LE took computers from PG's house, his next door neighbor's and the Molino's house, so there was obviously something they were looking for. And the fact that Jack had pages of charges to a porn site leads to wonder "who" made those unauthorized charges.

It seems odd to me, something isn't right. I keep thinking of what Ms. Gomes said about the accomplice and I think more should be looked at here. Who is the person she is talking about and does he know Jack?
I am not sure the is old man could be any accomplice, but I do think that Pg can use his ID to buy things, register in cyberspace without using his own name in a porn site.
PG is a pig but not a dumb on, he would not register himself to a porn site, because what if they are out there checking him? So he used Jack to get his perversions handled.

I agree that there were other men involved with him in some ways. perhaps accomplice to abuse women. But I don't think Jack was anything but an ID & a Check book to PG

[my2sisters]

I am not sure the is old man could be any accomplice, but I do think that Pg can use his ID to buy things, register in cyberspace without using his own name in a porn site.
PG is a pig but not a dumb on, he would not register himself to a porn site, because what if they are out there checking him? So he used Jack to get his perversions handled.

I agree that there were other men involved with him in some ways. perhaps accomplice to abuse women. But I don't think Jack was anything but an ID & a Check book to PG

I don't think he was a willing accomplice, but I bet he knows things and people.

[kbl8201]

You mean could he be bringing her daughters to gain her affection;
and raping women because he is angry with her??
It is a possibility.

ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
i dont think garrido needed excuses to do any of these things.

[JusticeForVictims]

Today, 06:28 PM
kbl8201
Registered User
QUOTE:
Originally Posted by songline
You mean could he be bringing her daughters to gain her affection;
and raping women because he is angry with her??
It is a possibility.


ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
i dont think garrido needed excuses to do any of these things.

I agree with you. He doesn't deserve any excuses. He just fed his sick desires.

However all the specialists around the world will be analyzing this Ped's life for years to come. They will attempt to gather truth about life at the Garridos from the day he was born and all the Family interactions year by year.
My bet is the above Quote by songline is going to be on the top of the list with the Specialists.

[JusticeForVictims]

I don't think he was a willing accomplice, but I bet he knows things and people.

I agree with you 100% my2sisters.
He was friends with the Garridos for many years. I hope some investigators can gently ask him what he remembers about his time spent with them.
He might even have some names of PG's friends & other children. He might remember if he met any of them.
They can let him know this is a good way to pay back his ex-friend PG and help some children.
They just need to be patient with him and talk to him on lucid days.

[kbl8201]

I agree with you 100% my2sisters.
He was friends with the Garridos for many years. I hope some investigators can gently ask him what he remembers about his time spent with them.
He might even have some names of PG's friends & other children. He might remember if he met any of them.
They can let him know this is a good way to pay back his ex-friend PG and help some children.
They just need to be patient with him and talk to him on lucid days.

amazing how everyone in that house was either brainwashed (jaycee and the girls) demented (jack and patricia) or just plain sick (phil and nancy)

[JusticeForVictims]

amazing how everyone in that house was either brainwashed (jaycee and the girls) demented (jack and patricia) or just plain sick (phil and nancy)

I agree with you. I like the way you write.
I'd like to add that at some point years back.
(jack & or patricia might have fit in to the Sick category).
Do you think that Jack & Patricia might have had a fling in healthy years?
Could have been when or if he lived at Garridos.

[kbl8201]

I agree with you. I like the way you write.
I'd like to add that at some point years back.
(jack & or patricia might have fit in to the Sick category).
Do you think that Jack & Patricia might have had a fling in healthy years?
Could have been when or if he lived at Garridos.

ugh.
is if the facts arent sickeninge enough :(

[my2sisters]

Bumping this thread

[kbl8201]

I agree with you. I like the way you write.
I'd like to add that at some point years back.
(jack & or patricia might have fit in to the Sick category).
Do you think that Jack & Patricia might have had a fling in healthy years?
Could have been when or if he lived at Garridos.

turns out patricia was always and still is in the sick column

[time]

I think it it negligence of LE. You can't tell me that they shouldn't have done a little more or contacted another agency about this esp given the man's age. The fact that checks were forged tells you something and from what I read and saw that forgery was quite obvious. I did not see where the guy next door owned a computer - is that a fact? I got the feeling he was telling the truth and didn't even know those charges were on his account. I would like to know what porn website was visited and if Garrido visited it where was he sitting at the computer to do this?

[kbl8201]

I think it it negligence of LE. You can't tell me that they shouldn't have done a little more or contacted another agency about this esp given the man's age. The fact that checks were forged tells you something and from what I read and saw that forgery was quite obvious. I did not see where the guy next door owned a computer - is that a fact? I got the feeling he was telling the truth and didn't even know those charges were on his account. I would like to know what porn website was visited and if Garrido visited it where was he sitting at the computer to do this?

thinking here that garrido got away with too much for too long to think this was just incompetence. the only time his parole was violated while was he was still in fed cutody. god knows whats really going on here

[songline]

i think it it negligence of le. You can't tell me that they shouldn't have done a little more or contacted another agency about this esp given the man's age. The fact that checks were forged tells you something and from what i read and saw that forgery was quite obvious. I did not see where the guy next door owned a computer - is that a fact? I got the feeling he was telling the truth and didn't even know those charges were on his account. I would like to know what porn website was visited and if garrido visited it where was he sitting at the computer to do this?

a lot of le negligence....

[kbl8201]

a lot of le negligence....

negligance and corruption imo